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Posted at 1:13 PM ET, 02/25/2011

Wisconsin Dems shout 'shame' after union vote

By Matt DeLong

The Wisconsin Assembly passed a highly contested bill early Friday that would strip most public unions of most of their collective-bargaining rights. The budget plan by Gov. Scott Walker (R) has drawn tens of thousands of union supporters to protest at the State Capitol in Madison for the last two weeks. State Senate Democrats have refused to return to the Capitol to join the Republican Senate majority for a vote on the bill.

Apparently, the Assembly vote happened much too quickly for the Democratic representatives, who in the video below can be heard chanting "Shame, shame, shame" afterward.

TMJ4 explains what happened:

Shortly after 1:00 a.m., after more than 60 hours of debate on this, the Republicans quickly called for the vote, which ended all debate. [...]
The vote happened so fast, within seconds, that the bill pass with Republican voting for it, but while they were voting, Democrats kept yelling, "No! No! You can't do this!"
Republicans kept on voting, and within seconds, the bill had passed 51-17.


(Via The Daily What)

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When people realize our labor is more essential than "their" money we'll get somewhere. (It's really not their money.) Anyone who is wealthy owes their good fortune to the work that created the wealth. Today's plutocrat takes far more than he gives and is therefor more of a parasite than a benefactor.

What passes for common sense to conservatives is just uncontested nonsense.

When Reagan came into office the US was a lender nation. When Reagan left office the US had become the world's largest debtor nation.

The right wing messiah, Reagan, has more to do with the decline of the US than anyone.

Conservative don't carry their own weight, and expect everyone else to do it for them. They're also not very well educated. Scott Walker is a "C" average college dropout, as is the "genius, Rove, the mouth Rush, and the self-appointed historian, Beck, has never completed even one college course.

In a recent survey, the FOX News audience came in dead last on knowledge of world events. Unamed sources at FOX NEWS admit to making stuff up to put on the air.

Posted by: rooster54 | February 27, 2011 7:27 PM | Report abuse

"Strip the union of bargaining rights," is an exercise in left wing hyperbole. Read the Bill, it merely exempts from collective negotiation several items that are unsustainable without busting the public treasury and overcoming the constitutional requirement of a balanced budget. The governor cannot print money like they do in DC. The only responsible action is to reign in reality and cure these budget busters or our children will pay the price.

If the BOE fired every teacher right now, in no time the ranks would be filled with enthusiastic recent graduate teachers interested in teaching - not tenure, not lifetime healthcare or generous pensions on the public dime. Or, big bucks for Democrats.

Only one third students in WI are now proficient in reading; new blood would welcome the BOE basing their pay on whether the kids can read. To have both teacher and lawmaker playing hooky is a grievous role model for the children, and counterproductive defiance of the outcome of an election. It is heresy by someone that calls himself "Democrat."

Posted by: corneliusvansant | February 27, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The dems have the nerve to protest? If i remember correctly werent they hiding out of state like the cowards they are? What a discrace!

Posted by: obamaisafraud | February 26, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The dems have the nerve to protest? If i remember correctly werent they hiding out of state like the cowards they are?

Posted by: obamaisafraud | February 26, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: ruthrichard123 | February 26, 2011 3:06 AM | Report abuse

You guys should stop complaining because, one the health care we have now isnt as good as it was supposed to be. also the law has just been signed so give it some time. so if u want to say u have the right to choose tell that to ur congress men or state official. If you do not have insurance and need one You can find full medical coverage at the lowest price search online for "Wise Health Insurance" If you have health insurance and do not care about cost just be happy about it and trust me you are not going to loose anything!

Posted by: ruthrichard123 | February 26, 2011 3:00 AM | Report abuse

gee, isn't this EXACTLY how we got obamacare?
when the shoe is on the other foot, it doesn't seem to fit well.
walker was elected to do just what he did.
how long did you unions expect the working people to carry your weight? the ride is over.

Posted by: jim38881 | February 25, 2011 10:50 PM | Report abuse

It is a shame we can't export stupidity , that it isn't a valuable commodity , the Reich wing supporters could easy get this country out of debt . Freedom ! Liberty ! The Constitution ! Walker and his fascist thugs are taking away your freedom and liberty and they are trampling all over the Constitution you idiots !

Posted by: Koom | February 25, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

It is a shame we can't export stupidity , that it isn't a valuable commodity , the Reich wing supporters could easy get this country out of debt . Freedom ! Liberty ! The Constitution ! Walker and his fascist thugs are taking away your freedom and liberty and they are trampling all over the Constitution you idiots !

Posted by: Koom | February 25, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

It is a shame we can't export stupidity , that it isn't a valuable commodity , the Reich wing supporters could easy get this country out of debt . Freedom ! Liberty ! The Constitution ! Walker and his fascist thugs are taking away your freedom and liberty and they are trampling all over the Constitution you idiots !

Posted by: Koom | February 25, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Re: "Republicans have no shame. Didn't W prove that?

Posted by: racam "

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Boo hoo. You think it's not shameful to run away and hide from your sworn duties as an elected representative in order to thwart the democratic process? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Sorry the new Governor has put the lid on your taxpayer cookie jar. Being cut off cold-turkey from the public teat must really suck. Now you can enjoy the Obamaconomy like the rest of us for a change.

Posted by: libertyfirst1776 | February 25, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Re: "Republicans have no shame. Didn't W prove that?

Posted by: racam "

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Boo hoo. You think it's not shameful to run away and hide from your sworn duties as an elected representative in order to thwart the democratic process? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Sorry the new Governor has been the lid on the taxpayer cookie jar. Being cut off cold-turkey from the public teat must really suck. Enjoy the Obamaconomy like the rest of us for a change.

Posted by: libertyfirst1776 | February 25, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have no shame. Didn't W prove that?

Posted by: racam | February 25, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Re: "The Tea Partying of America has started, and the country now stands at a defining moment where it will be determined whether the rich and powerful forces behind the Tea Party and the millions of people they have lied to and deceived will succeed in destroying our democracy. See more here > http://wp.me/pNmlT-BT


Posted by: Dh1953"

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Are you for real? The Democrats have been trying to destroy our democracy for years! They have been legislating from the bench because they can't get their agenda passed in Congress. And in Wisonsin and Indiana they have run away to thwart democracy!

You have nothing to fear from the Tea Party, unless what you fear is having to stand on your own two feet.

Posted by: libertyfirst1776 | February 25, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I'd guess that Obama freeing oil drilling and oil drilling permits coupled with what's going on in the mideast will have cause energy costs to skyrocket along with the cost of pretty much everything else.

Posted by: thebink | February 25, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

As long as the people are divided, those in power win. This had nothing to do with balancing the budget and everything to do with pitting hard working Americans against each other. Divide and conquer. Whether you are a peon Democrat or a peon Republican -- there's no difference. It's about finding work and feeding our families. This will be much more difficult should energy costs soar out of control...big concern.

Posted by: NYKat | February 25, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Who exactly are the rich and powerful forces behind the Tea Party? Give some names.

Posted by: thebink | February 25, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Partying of America has started, and the country now stands at a defining moment where it will be determined whether the rich and powerful forces behind the Tea Party and the millions of people they have lied to and deceived will succeed in destroying our democracy. See more here > http://wp.me/pNmlT-BT

Posted by: Dh1953 | February 25, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Re: "I hope the protests against these authoritarian Republican whack-jobs spread out to other states. I want the extremist Republican party to see what real grassroots anger looks like in their face (unlike the astroturfed Teabagger shout-fests that are bankrolled by right wing oil billionaires i.e. the Koch Brothers). 2012 is payback time for the extremist Teabagger Republican party, and I can't wait.

Posted by: DrainYou "

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You are very out of touch with reality, my friend. Astroturfed Teabaggers? You mean the busloads of useful idiots sent to Wisconsin by their leftist puppet masters?

You are extremist. The Tea Party is America. I can see why you hate it so much - it represents everything you want to fundamentally change. Good try.

Posted by: libertyfirst1776 | February 25, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I think the totalitarian government is finally being chipped away by getting rid of the power of the Unions. Here these Dems, not doing their job, being paid to hide out are furious after two weeks of HIDING. They should be ashamed.
If the first two years of the Obama admin were shoving down bills in closed door sessions, allowing no arguing, no time on the floor to discuss, who should be ashamed???? Obama paid for it in the Nov election.

This is the people's will. Not giving away medical when you retire.... everyone else has to pay for a portion of it. Republican party is not history.... it is what the Americans want. Equal rights.... not a congress that is being held hostage by the Unions.

Posted by: mjones1303 | February 25, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Funny how no one complains about the billions of dollars handed out each year in welfare to people who have contributed nothing to society, instead they want to come after the hard working middle class men and women who are the backbone of this country. And pay the lions share of taxes. You people make me sick, instead of putting blame where it belongs, on the fiscally irresponsible banking industry and frivolous Govt. spending.You may not be in a union now , but if you are employed you can thank the unions for the rights and working conditions you now enjoy. Do away with unions and then get back to us in 20 or 30 years and see how much you like it then.

Posted by: Survivor9 | February 25, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I think the totalitarian government is finally being chipped away by getting rid of the power of the Unions. Here these Dems, not doing their job, being paid to hide out are furious after two weeks of this mess. They should be ashamed.
If the first two years of the Obama admin were shoving down bills in closed door sessions, allowing no arguing, no time on the floor to discuss, who should be ashamed???? Obama paid for it in the Nov election.

This is the people's will. Not giving away medical when you retire.... everyone else has to pay for a portion of it. Republican party is not history.... it is what the Americans want. Equal rights.... not a congress that is being held hostage by the Unions.

Posted by: mjones1303 | February 25, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

@NoelOContendere: Guess he took a few pages out of the Obama, Reid and Pelosi handbook about back door dealings huh?

We will see in 2012 who is right. Citizens and taxpayers are rejoicing that the two headed parasite of government and government unions is being eradicated. The ballot box will tell. Will they support Walker and run the chicken democrats out of office that have gone into hiding?

Parasites become very agitated when the host tries to be rid of them. Parasites are now squealing around the Nation as the taxpayer hosts pick them off one at a time. Even the taxpayers in the Blue States are getting it.

The Democrats are desperate because their trough of campaign donations from government unions is being broken. Pigs will squeal as they are herded away from the trough.

Posted by: Bubbette1 | February 25, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Re: "The 69% of the people that back Walker are simply sick of being robbed.

Posted by: thebink | February 25, 2011 3:13 PM

on a negoiated contract? It takes two to agree you know. So cut their pay but do not take thier rights away. Sound reasonable?

Posted by: ModerateVoter"

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Right, but when the Democrats are negotiating with the Unions, and the Democrats are accepting huge kickbacks from the Unions, who is representing the taxpayer?

Your suggestion is unreasonable. The ability to organize for collective bargaining is not an unalienable Right in the Constitution. It is a right granted by a political act in a state legislature. Rescinding the ability to organize is simply a political act in the other direction.

Public workers have no business organizing against the taxpayer, particularly when the purpose is to funnel money into the Democrat Party via forced union dues.

Posted by: libertyfirst1776 | February 25, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Union supporters carry on about how critical the unions are to the welfare of the middle class worker, etc. Would at least one union support address the following?

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics (2010):
"The union membership rate for public sector workers was 36.2% and the private sector 6.9%"

So I ask you... how in the world does that other 63.8% (public) and 93.1% (private) ever survive?

I worked 35 years in the private sector, never joined a union, and actually quit more than one job (and then got a better job) when I was dissatisfied . Was usually compensated fairly and saved (401k, investments) for most of my own retirement. And I never whined and cried and I never expected anyone else to be
responsible for me from cradle to grave.

Posted by: fatfenders | February 25, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"The 69% of the people that back Walker are simply sick of being robbed."

No, you are not being robbed, you are paying for the goods and services that public employees are providing. My guess is that you have little idea of how much public sector employees affect your day to day existence. There is a reason why your hamburger isn't filled with rat feces. Go thank you local health inspector, and meat inspector. Would you walk into a store, underpay, and then complain about having to pay for the employee's wages and benefits?

Furthermore, you are getting a good deal. Most positions that pay more than 3x the minimum wage in the private sector are under payed in the public sector. You focus on the high benefits without bothering to consider the equal large pay gap.

If you are worried about being robbed, look at those tax breaks the Governor is fond of handing out like candy. I am willing to bet that those tax breaks aren't helping you. And I would go further and say that the cuts in services and quality of those services that are being made to pay for those tax breaks are directly affecting you. So who is really robbing you?

Posted by: schizaspidia | February 25, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

No one represents the taxpayers at the collective bargaining table. I hope that all public service unions are broken - one by one, state by state. Don't give a hoot about private unions, but they have no place in the public sector.

Posted by: joanne600 | February 25, 2011 3:19 PM

Sounds like one side that is coming to the table is not doing their jobs. I wonder who it is......Hint not the union reps. Maybe you should take your complaint up with them?

Posted by: ModerateVoter | February 25, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

The average American has and is going through hard times. These public unions have been protected and spoiled by not having to pay for their health care and pensions. They have to much power and their collective bargining right have led to a huge finicial hole for the states to overcome. They are nothing more than a group of cry babies.

Posted by: farmsnorton | February 25, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans in Wisconsin's lower house have learned by Scott Walker's example.

At no time during Walker's gubernatorial campaign did Walker publicly propose or discuss legislating, or otherwise mandating, the expansion of teacher contributions to their pension or benefits plans or the limiting of teacher collective bargain rights.

Likewise he did not mention the repeal of all collective bargaining for University of Wisconsin employees, also an element of the bill now before the Wisconsin senate and just approved by the assembly.

See: http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/22/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-he-campaigned-his-/

Similarly Walker did not reveal his plan, now enshrined in SB-11, to allow him to sell off Wisconsin's state-owned power plants (via no-bid contracts, no less.)

Thus, what exists today in Wisconsin is governance by stealth.

So, well done, Republicans in the Wisconsin Assembly, well done. You have mastered Walker's art of chicanery. And the Koch Brothers will be proud.

Posted by: NoelOContendere | February 25, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans in Wisconsin's lower house have learned by Scott Walker's example.

At no time during Walker's gubernatorial campaign did Walker publicly propose or discuss legislating, or otherwise mandating, the expansion of teacher contributions to their pension or benefits plans or the limiting of teacher collective bargain rights.

Likewise he did not mention the repeal of all collective bargaining for University of Wisconsin employees, also an element of the bill now before the Wisconsin senate and just approved by the assembly.

See: http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/22/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-he-campaigned-his-/

Similarly Walker did not reveal his plan, now enshrined in SB-11, to allow him to sell off Wisconsin's state-owned power plants (via no-bid contracts, no less.)

Thus, what exists today in Wisconsin is governance by stealth.

So, well done, Republicans in the Wisconsin Assembly, well done. You have masered Walker's art of chicanery. And the Koch Brothers will be proud.

Posted by: NoelOContendere | February 25, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I assume that plenty of the people here make less than 100 grand, support the GOP and actually work all year round. I also assume that they pay quite a bit for their own retirements and health care.

Posted by: thebink | February 25, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

No one represents the taxpayers at the collective bargaining table. I hope that all public service unions are broken - one by one, state by state. Don't give a hoot about private unions, but they have no place in the public sector.

Posted by: joanne600 | February 25, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

The 69% of the people that back Walker are simply sick of being robbed.

Posted by: thebink | February 25, 2011 3:13 PM

on a negoiated contract? It takes two to agree you know. So cut their pay but do not take thier rights away. Sound reasonable?

Posted by: ModerateVoter | February 25, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

@Drainyou: Are you sure? Or will it be George Soros, moveon, unions and Obama brown-shirts? More likely for the Democratic Progressive Union Socialist Party it will be in a brown bag filled with poop, set on fire and left on the doorstep of the Nation after the beating they have coming in 2012.

Fyi, when you get to the point of arguing the other side are Nazi's you have lost the argument.

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When Fascism comes to America, it's going to be wrapped in a Republican flag and carrying a Koch Brother oil billionaire.

Posted by: DrainYou

Posted by: Bubbette1 | February 25, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Funny that no one has a problem with the billions of tax dollars handed out each year for welfare and food stamps to people who contribute nothing to society. Let's go after the working middle class men and women who pay the brunt of the taxes and are the back bone of society. Seems fair, geez you people make me sick. If it wasn't for the fiscally irresponsible banking industry and frivolous Govt. Spending we wouldn't be in this situation. But instead of taking responsibility, let's just blame the working man.

Posted by: Survivor9 | February 25, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

There truly isn't one Republican or Republican supporter with any sense of decency left is there? Rather than negotiate "necessary" reductions in good faith, they'd rather just strip the right to negotiate at all. Sure, that's the American way, isn't it? When you want something, you just take it; courtesy be damned.

Anyone on here who defends the GOP and isn't making at least $100K is a freakin' moron. Good luck relying on the benevolence of your companies for decent pay/better working conditions down the road. You might be shocked to learn this, but benevolence and corporate goals DON'T go hand in hand. (And, sorry, but hard work and dedication AREN'T always rewarded.)

Posted by: SenorPlaid | February 25, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Re: "When Fascism comes to America, it's going to be wrapped in a Republican flag and carrying a Koch Brother oil billionaire.

Posted by: DrainYou "

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Go Soros yourself. You have a selective memory, lib.

Posted by: libertyfirst1776 | February 25, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

The 69% of the people that back Walker are simply sick of being robbed.

Posted by: thebink | February 25, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

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I hope the protests against these authoritarian Republican whack-jobs spread out to other states. I want the extremist Republican party to see what real grassroots anger looks like in their face (unlike the astroturfed Teabagger shout-fests that are bankrolled by right wing oil billionaires i.e. the Koch Brothers). 2012 is payback time for the extremist Teabagger Republican party, and I can't wait.


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Posted by: DrainYou | February 25, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

@Bcamp55

If you think teachers are overpaid. Fine cut their pay. You get what you pay for....

As a parent of two kids one 12 and one 14, I see the crap that teachers put up with. Parents tend to be the worst followed closely by politically motivated school boards. What you list seems not to be enough.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | February 25, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

A few things first, I live in a so called "right to work" state, I have 16 years experience dealing with employees who are members of the largest union in the US and I really do not care for unions in general... BUT, the action today by the WI law makers is a travisty. Scott Walker is a bold faced liar. He sold it to the people as a budget issue and when the unions agreed to the financial concessions he continued to push to take their bargaining rights. He is a liar and a crook! I hope that WI gets what they pay for in a state employee. They should gridlock the government (legally of course!) for months to come. SHUT IT ALL DOWN!!! I dislike unions but hate lying, deceitful polititions even more. I agree SHAME!

Posted by: bjk21 | February 25, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

It is said 69% of the people in Wisconsin support Walker. This says 69% of these folks are good servants and flunkies to the Koch family. I wonder how many of this 69% have been victims to the corrupt US banking credit card and home mortgage system?

Posted by: bm66535 | February 25, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

It is said 69% of the people in Wisconsin support Walker. This says 69% of these folks are good servants and flunkies to the Koch family. I wonder how many of this 69% have been victims to the corrupt US banking credit card and home mortgage system?

Posted by: bm66535 | February 25, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

When Fascism comes to America, it's going to be wrapped in a Republican flag and carrying a Koch Brother oil billionaire.

Posted by: DrainYou | February 25, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I see the Koch brothers and their money are working wonders. In 3 months they and comanies asociated with them will be the proud owners of a bunch of previously state-owned power plants that get sold to them by Walker for pennies.

Posted by: lpm123 | February 25, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

What has happened to my country? Government officials talk of using baseball bats and live ammo to quel peaceful protest? Now with the extremist right wing, Unions are being busted, misogyny rears it's ugly head (defunding of Planned Parenthood, etc etc) and even people exercising their first amendment rights are now being pummeled. Unions have done great things for this country, and taking away their collective bargaining power hurts *everyone* in the long run. I'm back to being ashamed of this country and our now ever-present rhetoric of hate and intolerance. This reactionary ignorant backlash is the by-product of the devaluation of education that began in the 80's under Reagan. I just don't understand how these right wing nut jobs aren't mortified by their obviously small world views and selfish arrogance. So awful and so un-American. :(

Posted by: mllepriest | February 25, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

This article seems to have disappeared off the Google news page rather abruptly, fancy that. I've noticed this happens with frequency when responding posts don't seem to fit WAPO's template, hmmmm.

Posted by: thebink | February 25, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I know a few FACTS are going to cause migraines among our panty waisted lib friends on here (which is why I am kindly warning you in advance).

Instead of what Jon Stewart is puking down your throats every night and Katie Couric every evening, here are the REAL issues:

1) The average Milwaukee public-school teacher salary is $56,500, but with benefits the total package is $100,005, according to the manager of financial planning for Milwaukee public schools.

2)State Pension. Teachers belong to the Wisconsin state pension plan. That plan requires a 6.8% employer contribution and 6.2% from the employee. However, according to the collective-bargaining agreement in place since 1996, the district pays the employees' share as well, for a total of 13%.

3)Teachers' Supplemental Pension. In addition to the state pension, Milwaukee public-school teachers receive an additional pension under a 1982 collective-bargaining agreement. The district contributes an additional 4.2% of teacher salaries to cover this second pension. Teachers contribute nothing.

4)Classified Pension. Most other school employees belong to the city's pension system instead of the state plan. The city plan is less expensive but here, too, according to the collective-bargaining agreement, the district pays the employees' 5.5% share.

5)Health care for current employees. Under the current collective- bargaining agreements, the school district pays the entire premium for medical and vision benefits, and over half the cost of dental coverage. This is partly because of Wisconsin's unique arrangement under which the teachers union is the sponsor of the group health-insurance plans. Not surprisingly, benefits are generous. The district's contributions for health insurance of active employees total 38.8% of wages. For private-sector workers nationwide, the average is 10.7%.

6) Health insurance for retirees. This benefit is rarely offered any more in private companies, and it can be quite costly. This is especially the case for teachers in many states, because the eligibility rules of their pension plans often induce them to retire in their 50s, and Medicare does not kick in until age 65. Milwaukee's plan covers the entire premium in effect at retirement, and retirees cover only the growth in premiums after they retire.

7) Overall, the school district's contributions to health insurance for employees and retirees total about 50.9 cents on top of every dollar paid in wages. Together with pension and Social Security contributions, plus a few small items, one can see how the total cost of fringe benefits reaches 74.2%.

If libbies are all about "fairness" as they say ofter profess - this weekend, I expect to see a protests demanding reductions to their public coffer draining benefits to keep them in line with sector levels. I'll not be holding my breath.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | February 25, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Awesome, now its time for the rest of the states to do the same.
Unions beat-up and ruined manufacturing in our country;
Unionized teachers with Tenure = Mediocre teachers, at best.
Our schools have failed. 50% of Wisconsin
8th graders - cannot read satisfactorily. This is a crisis situation and I'm glad to see Wisconsin made a move toward REAL progress.
We have to stop glorifying teachers, and instead, hold them accountable for our Schools success or failure.
Pay needs to be based on current performance, nothing else.

Posted by: ohioan | February 25, 2011 2:46 PM

Ohioan I find your posts amusing. What no blame for manufacturing management? Only the workers were to blame for what happened? No mismanagement occured at all?Really? I especially like you blaming teachers for all problems. Once again school boards and school administrators hold no blame? Really?

Posted by: ModerateVoter | February 25, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Simply put the ability to organize on a public referendum. That will solve it. Very few states have majority support for the scam known as Public Unions.

If nothing else, Wisonsin has pulled back the curtain on the absolute corruption between the Democrat Party and the Unions. It's incredible that the MSM doesn't investigate such a theft of public money and laundering into the Democrat Party.

The scam is diabolical - just invite public workers to organize (out of "fairness" LOL), and agree to excessive pay and benefits in exchange for a cut of the public funds used to pay them. This is accomplished by accepting a portion of the forced union dues as "donations", and by agreeing to contracts where it is almost impossible to fire workers, guaranteeing a steady stream of laundered income for the Democrats.

The workers themselves are simply an army of "useful idiots", a bunch of pavlov-dogs ready to spring into action the moment the class-warfare bell is rung.

So thank you, Unions - you have exposed the scam for all of America to see. You have no chance of reversing this in the forseeable future. Better get used to working for a living again, the gravy train is out of track.

Posted by: libertyfirst1776 | February 25, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Look you union supporting nut jobs, those State Senators who left the state do not work for the union. They work for all residents of the State of Wisconsin. By leaving the state they have shown their true colors and FOREVER will be wrong in this attempted Hijacking of our 2 party system. Its good to know once and for all in the public domain FROM the union action and the Legislature action how much the union has shoved it up our legislatures' asses. I owned a union company and those men and women were disgusted with PAC money taken out of their pay without a choice. These were Operating Engineers, Carpenters, Ironworkers, Pile Drivers and Cement finishers. All very noble jobs. BUT they were individuals and fathers and wives who had families to support and that PAC robbery made many of them hate the Union Bosses. I know they don't mind this change, many of them secretly cannot say a thing but they have told me enough is enough. Their way of life is not dependent on the governement but by private enterprise. Even though I performed infrastructure Fed contracts the union members in general had an unholy alliance between big government and the unions, it is wrong. We are just now seeing the long road back to a sane union operation. Which is, they are accountable to their memebership and not big government. Obama is a puppet for the unions if not why is Trumka pitching a tent at the White house with so many visits. Its got to stop and get back to why the unions did so much good for its memebers. My men worked their asses off and never once complained to me about how hard the work was but they had a bad taste in their mouth all the time for the Union Presidents and the International arm twisters on Congress. I say as a 20 year union company owner, " I support the Wisconsin Legislature Hands Down. Zircon 70, Florida.

Posted by: zircon70 | February 25, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I sure wish we had the Wisconsin legislature here in Pennsylvania. I'm from Philadelphia where we've had 60 years of Democrat rule. Since 1980, our population has dwindled from 2.1 Million down to about 1.45 million...a drop of over 30%. People are leaving because we are taxed to death with not much to show for it except lousy schools, and corrupt city goverment in every office...all courtesy of the public employee unions and the Democrats. Walker/Christie in 2012?

Posted by: feudi | February 25, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Look you union supporting nut jobs, those State Senators who left the state do not work for the union. They work for all residents of the State of Wisconsin. By leaving the state they have shown their true colors and FOREVER will be wrong in this attempted Hijacking of our 2 party system. Its good to know once and for all in the public domain FROM the union action and the Legislature action how much the union has shoved it up our legislatures' asses. I owned a union company and those men and women were disgusted with PAC money taken out of their pay without a choice. These were Operating Engineers, Carpenters, Ironworkers, Pile Drivers and Cement finishers. All very noble jobs. BUT they were individuals and fathers and wives who had families to support and that PAC robbery made many of them hate the Union Bosses. I know they don't mind this change, many of them secretly cannot say a thing but they have told me enough is enough. Their way of life is not dependent on the governement but by private enterprise. Even though I performed infrastructure Fed contracts the union members in general had an unholy alliance between big government and the unions, it is wrong. We are just now seeing the long road back to a sane union operation. Which is, they are accountable to their memebership and not big government. Obama is a puppet for the unions if not why is Trumka pitching a tent at the White house with so many visits. Its got to stop and get back to why the unions did so much good for its memebers. My men worked their asses off and never once complained to me about how hard the work was but they had a bad taste in their mouth all the time for the Union Presidents and the International arm twisters on Congress. I say as a 20 year union company owner, " I support the Wisconsin Legislature Hands Down. Zircon 70, Florida.

Posted by: zircon70 | February 25, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The Wisconsin Dems should be shouting "We screwed up!! I guess we should have been doing our job!!!!!. It's their fault, they weren't present when they should be doing their jobs. The first two years of Obama when the "holier than thou" dems rammed a bunch of legislation that was closed door, not for debate, and RAMMED through. The dems had a chance to come back but they didn't.
It is time for the Unions to have change in America, and I praise the people now that are standing up for change to Union corruption.

Posted by: mjones1303 | February 25, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

According to an article in the Wall Street Journal titled "Oh to Be a Teacher in Wisconsin", the public pays 74.2 cents for every dollar teachers receive in salary. The average salary of teachers in Milwaukee is $56,500 but with benefits, the total package is $100,005. The article's just full of little tidbits like these and I urge interested parties to check the article out. I'm wondering how the left is handling class warfare when the shoe's on the other foot.

Posted by: thebink | February 25, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

@Peterputz: So you do not like to be called what? Progressive? Unionist? Socialist? Communist? Statist? Elitist? Marxist? Please let us know. By the way, at the Democratic event in DC last summer why were there booths for the communists, socialists and Marxists?

The Democratic Party is not what it once was. Old school Democrats are sickened by what has become of the party. The people fleeing the Democratic Party do not view themselves as Progressives, Unionists, Socialists or Communists. Take a minute look at the pond scum that call themselves the Progressive Caucus. Take a look at the Czars and Czarettes that Obama has appointed. There has never been a finer group of socialists, elitists, statists, communists or Marxists every assembled in our government.

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/trashingamerica/progressive.html

The Democratic Party will not survive this. The three horsemen of the Democratic apocalypse Obama, Reid and Pelosi have shown the American People what they are. The lies, backdoor deals, thuggery and sleaze have confirmed that the Democratic Party as it now exists can never be trusted with power again.

The gauntlet has been tossed. Who will win? Will it be big government and their shills the government unions or will it be American citizens and taxpayers? That is the fight.

We will see who wins in 2012. The November election was just a taste of what is to come. See you in 2012 and the fight for the future of our Nation and what we will leave our children:

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."

Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776


Babbette1 seems to think calling progressives by childish names, he (or she) is making a statement. He/She is, it's a statement of !gnorance. With this vote, the gauntlet has been tossed. There'll be no rest after this cowardly vote.

Posted by: peterpun

Posted by: Bubbette1 | February 25, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Awesome, now its time for the rest of the states to do the same.
Unions beat-up and ruined manufacturing in our country;
Unionized teachers with Tenure = Mediocre teachers, at best.
Our schools have failed. 50% of Wisconsin
8th graders - cannot read satisfactorily. This is a crisis situation and I'm glad to see Wisconsin made a move toward REAL progress.
We have to stop glorifying teachers, and instead, hold them accountable for our Schools success or failure.
Pay needs to be based on current performance, nothing else.

Posted by: ohioan | February 25, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

We are not a democracy, we are a republic. Nice of the dems to get that started back in the 30's to confuse everyone. The dems did this on health care. Does it stink, yeah, but the dems are in the minority. Get over it. Funny that evil corporations and rich people are running the rep party when there are just as many involved w/ the dems. Since when can I not show up for my job because I don't like what is going on and expect to keep my job. I say fire those not showing up, reduce the number of total reps and then the majority is there. Seems easy enough. Then this same junk can't go trying to stalemate and be a whiny looser.

Posted by: kevinhaynie | February 25, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The "shame" belongs to the unions and the politicians they bought off so the politicians would represent government workers instead of the people. Public employees are supposed to serve the public, not be served by the public.
enough is enough.

Senators who refuse to show up should be considered as resigned and replaced in special elections. See dailypost.org for intelligent commentary.

Posted by: JohnLindauer1 | February 25, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Re: "Matt neglected to mention that the Republicans called for a vote while the Democrats were out of the chamber and left it open for a very short time.....too short for most Democrats to be able to return and cast a vote.

Posted by: bpotter110 "

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Oh, please. The Democrats have been hiding and stonewalling to avoid a vote for how long?

The scam is up, Dems. You've been punked.

Posted by: libertyfirst1776 | February 25, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Boy, but the Post sure has this story buried deep today. Nowhere near the front page...

Call it anything you like, but this is civil war in Wisconsin. This renegade governor has, on his own initiative and dubious authority, decided to dissolve the union and represent only and barely half of his state's interests. He has placed his personal ambitions and draconian beliefs over the welfare of the people of Wisconsin and should be removed from office immediately. Walker presents a clear and present danger to both the citizens of Wisconsin and to the the Constitution of the United States.

How much do you want to bet that Northern Command is on alert status, but not to defend the People...

Obama should immediately send Federal troops to arrest the governor and his group of goonie senators. The people of Wisconsin are currently under a state of both seige and tyranny.

Posted by: Byrd3 | February 25, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Shame? What was shameful was the Democrats leaving. Did the Republicans leave because they didn't like Obamacare with all the corruption, closed door meetings, and the special deals. The Democrats left in order to give the protesters air time to make Walker look like a villain. The tactics of the Democrats failed and they let the protesters down by running away like little girls. Had the Democrats not run away like little girls, more time could have been given to negotiations. The Democrats slipped on their own banana peel.

Posted by: houstonian | February 25, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Where are all the tea bag morons now ? They and Palin constantly chant " the Constitution ! Freedom ! yet you are just fine with these Republican thugs in Wisconsin and the government taking away your right to join together , form a union and negotiate decent pay and fairness from your employer ! You are complete phonies , you stand for nothing but gross stupidity . The Republicans are out to bust all unions , you see they hate the regular guy , the working man or woman , to have any clout , any power , any protection , any representation , they want to be able to use them and discard them at will and pay them as little as they can get away with . Against the minimum wage , out to get their hands on SS so they can destroy it an eliminate it , out to destroy every union in the country so that the American worker has no power what so ever and is at their mercy , but tax cuts for the Billionaires and multimillionaires ? Sure ! Not a problem , even though those tax cuts for the rich pals who own them will put the country another trillion in debt over the next ten years and added billions to the debt as soon as the bill passed ! This is your Republican party , if you are an average middle class working man or woman or on the low end of the ladder you are a complete fool to ever vote Republican , an absolute fool . I guess some think that handing the government over to the billionaires like the Koch brothers is better than a government for and by we the people and a Democracy . And by the way , unions are Democratic , the members , the workers , they vote on their Representatives and on every issue that Union takes up , they are as America as apple pie and they have improved wages and conditions for every American in this country . Seems the idiots supporting these fascist Republicans want to go back to the age of the robber barons .

Posted by: Koom | February 25, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

The Unions are No worse than our American government. When any country let's their government have total control then what does one expect.wake up people, you pay the taxes which are suppose to go for the good of the people and government, are they ? No,we have Not known or cared what the government is doing for so long until it touches one of us personaly.Now, this country is in a Bad,controled way, rights of the person are no more.There have been and are warning signs for so long and most do not listen or care. A bunch of sheep being led to the slaughter is what Most americans are.

Posted by: icewater1 | February 25, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Two things:
1. Congrats Wisconsin, the right thing was done.

2. Pay for performance.

Posted by: juice308 | February 25, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Re: "I don't know if it's a speech impediment or just plain illiteracy, but too many Righties can no longer say "Democratic". "Democrat" is not the proper term. It's like calling a Republican candidate a Republic candidate. It just sounds stupid.

Posted by: Rounds77 "

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Democrats are anything but Democratic. Hence their running away like little school girls in order to thwart Democracy.

Posted by: libertyfirst1776 | February 25, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

This is the typical arrogant overreach we get that prevents any "permanent majorities." Look for the GOP in WI to get washed away in a flood in 2012, and a flood of their own making. This gratuitous kick at working people will drive the last Reagan Democrats back to the Democratic party for good.

Posted by: SageThrasher | February 25, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Billionaires don't do one single thing without "representation", and often they use collective bargaining -- what is the US Chamber of Commerce other than hired professional representation for their interests trying to collectively bargain with Congress or the President? Freedom of association means any two people are free to get together and decide who they want to represent themselves -- laws against collective bargaining are unconstitutional on their face. Koch-Wing of the Tea Party Repugs is advocating violation of the Constitution and de facto slavery.

Posted by: Liann | February 25, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Matt neglected to mention that the Republicans called for a vote while the Democrats were out of the chamber and left it open for a very short time.....too short for most Democrats to be able to return and cast a vote.

Posted by: bpotter110 | February 25, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Both the Republicans and Democrats are responsible for the financial crisis. Both have been swilling at the public trough for so long they think they are above the law and know what is best for the little people.

The only chance we have is if we can send more Tea Party officials to government and hold them to their promise to cut the debt, cut the size of government and return control to the States. We now have a Federal Elitist Statist government that is trying to tie all citizens to the government tete.

The Democratic Progressive Union Socialist Communist Party is on its way to becoming a Dodo bird. More people are leaving the Democrats than at any time in their history. The shrill cries of liberals are from those who see their rice bowl being broken and the free ride at the taxpayers expense being cut-off.

Here is a great site that shows how to cut government. End the Department of Education, HUD and many others. It is going to be a battle to get the Elitists and Statists in our government to voluntarily to reduce its size. If citizens lose that fight we will continue to follow the road of a European style socialist state.

http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/

The election in 2012 is going to be one of the most important in our Nation's history. Will we survive as a Democratic Republic, or will the Democratic Progressive Union Socialist Communist Party and Republican Statists have their way and destroy the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

The Tea Party may become the first new political party since the formation of the Republican Party at the time of the Civil War. Americans need to stand tall and protect the rights and liberties that have made this Nation great. It will be a fight to overturn the big government programs instituted by the Progressive Democrats and Statists over the last 60 years, but it can be done.

Posted by: Bubbette1 | February 25, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

This is what happens when people put house, senate and governorship in one party's hand. People voted for this and now enjoy the fruits of it. Next in line are Indiana, Michigan to name a few.

Posted by: sasidhargv | February 25, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

It is funny that the dems pulled the same stunt on the health care bill in washington, but that was fair game. Just because you may not like the bill, don't blame one party for a practice that your party is also doing. Also, since when can someone not show up for a job day after day just because they don't want to face their job and that person still keeps their job. All those senators should be fired and pay witheld, the numbers for a majority reduced and continue with the voting. That is not the system to keep an issue from passing by not doing your job and debating. A republic voted in the majority and the representatives for the majority are speaking. The left is currently the minority, get over and lets get to work and try to save the country for the future. We will run out of money, we can't just print or borrow whatever we want with no consequences. If I spend too much and run up a lot of debt, I will have to fix it. Yes it will hurt while I go without, but debt free sure feels good.

Posted by: kevinhaynie | February 25, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I feel no pity because so many people voted their own jobs (and their neighbors')away by voting for John Doe(R). This is what frog soup tastes like you welfare queens.

Posted by: echoparkla | February 25, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if it's a speech impediment or just plain illiteracy, but too many Righties can no longer say "Democratic". "Democrat" is not the proper term. It's like calling a Republican candidate a Republic candidate. It just sounds stupid.

Posted by: Rounds77 | February 25, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I guess the democratic process is just too much for these liberals to stomach.

To them it's all about mis-information, sound-bytes, and control.

3 Cheers for the democratic process that weighs more than pouting and immaturity.

Posted by: Databyter | February 25, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I see some legitimate grievances on both sides. Teachers need to be able to glean the best teachers and remove worthless teachers from their ranks. The tenure system (for all teachers, even bad ones) is harming the American educational system. On the other hand, denying bargaining rights to workers is nothing but a naked power grab orchestrated by the fat cats who cannot conceive of the concept of "the public good". Their mouthpiece is Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest who worship "personal responsibility" over creating a more perfect union.

Posted by: backsmith2 | February 25, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

A great day for Wisconsin and a great day for America. The same bill needs to pass in every State.

Posted by: NO-bama | February 25, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Babbette1 seems to think calling progressives by childish names, he (or she) is making a statement. He/She is, it's a statement of !gnorance. With this vote, the gauntlet has been tossed. There'll be no rest after this cowardly vote.

Posted by: peterpun | February 25, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

what was it we kept hearing the Dems scream so loudly for all of 2009? "elections have consequences?"

Cuts both ways now doesn't it...

Posted by: kbalderson | February 25, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Same o, same o, the left taking a leak at the right. There is no way the other side can be right. Today's new math is 2 wrongs = both are right. The fight is not if it's citizens control Wisconsin, but which business runs it. Unions are a business, just like those who bought and support the Governor.

Posted by: southernrican | February 25, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

TheSnowMan... I agree. I have noticed that for a while... especially in Christie's case. I often have to repent when I realize I had been thinking... I hope they have a clogged arterie. I am serious when I say, it is so hard not to think this way as they continue to rape and pillage the people of the U.S. who in fact are the ones that made their rich constituents who they are today.

I think the first plan of attack here is for the police entities to get together and expedite the investigation of Walker who recently said on Greta Van Susteren's interview of Walker... while he danced around many questions.... he let it slip. "other legislators" were even responsible for suggesting that other planted trouble makers be placed in the middle of the protest. This is illegal and from that video, Wisconsin could inject corruption and put an end to this once and for all. The police entities are the ones who could save Wisconsin from these criminals. They were hired to represent the people, not attack them. It's time to get tough on them. I'll keep praying for you.


Posted by: TessTy | February 25, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

oh please.... "outridercastle" grow up
will you? Its not the 60's anymore. Your
rants sound like a tired Jane Fonda speech. It must drive you crazy when you hear that 60% of the nation is fed up with the socialists policies of the democrats in general and the unions in particular.

Posted by: kaman5066 | February 25, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Well there go the Democrats again complaining and name calling like little spoiled kids about to lose their expensive toys.
Hey wake up ... your own Democrat representatives ran out of the State to stick their heads in the sand. They let you down big time !!! Don't blame the Republicans for that. The unions backed a bunch of total spineless clowns. And all the clowns crammed into that tiny car and left the state in a panic. So get your union thugs to track down those chicken s*** Democrats in your surrounding states and "make them an offer they can't refuse" to get their asses back to work. Otherwise shut-up and deal with what you get.

Posted by: Kenvilkid | February 25, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Teabagger inbreeds campaigned against what they deemed to be "oppressive government" at the federal level during the health care reform debate - even though millions of Americans will substantially benefit from expanded access to health care. But when actual government oppression rears its ugly head in Wisconsin, the Teabagger clowns claim that they support their precious Governor Walker? What a bunch of phonies, liars and hypocrites!


In a move reminiscent of Poland under martial law in the early 1980s, Wisconsin's "General" Walker and other power-hungry Republicans in the Wisconsin state legislature (and their party brethren across the country), are attempting to unilaterally decree that henceforth virtually all public union activity will be controlled by the authoritarian state. Walker has even said that he may need to call in the National Guard. And the slack jawed Teabagger yokels support this statist takeover?


This is the same governor Walker who has lied about the state budget crisis, claiming erroneously that the salaries and benefits of public workers are to blame. When in actuality, the governor's tax cuts cuts for the rich program (according to Wisconsin's nonpartisan state budget office) was what turned a budget surplus into a budget deficit this year.


This is the same governor Walker who is engaging in blatant political favoritism and cronyism, by pledging to maintain the collective bargaining rights of the public unions who supported him in the last election (police, firefighters). Meanwhile, the rights of teachers, correction officers, social workers, and other public professionals are being attacked by Walker. Obviously, he's targeting their right to engage in collective bargaining, as a form of political payback for opposing him in the last election.


This is a clear statist attempt to destroy the more "Democratic leaning" unions, while protecting the more "Republican leaning" interest groups and other funding sources for Governor Walker and his like-minded authoritarian peers in the G.O.P. across the country.

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Posted by: DrainYou | February 25, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

To chrisbr111: So government and government unions that have held hands and raped the taxpayers and citizens of this Nation to the tune of $3.5 TRILLION dollars now owed in usurious and criminal pension and pay entitlement is ok?

It is the Democratic Progressive Union Socialist Communist Party and their union shills that have bankrupted the Nation.

The Democratic Progressive Union Socialist Communist Party that have controlled the Blue States are now becoming carnivorous looking for taxpayers and taxes to try and cover the tab they have run up. Just in California the government union pensions owed by the taxpayers is estimated to be $500 BILLION dollars. So one may ask why is that not being made public? The reason is phony accounting tricks so that the massive amount of debt is hidden.

If you have a strong stomach you can see how bad it is here:

http://www.pensiontsunami.com/

Here is one article for your reading enjoyment:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-02-19/news/ct-edit-pension2-20110218_1_pension-funds-retiree-health-state-pension-systems

The Nation needs to ban government unions. Citizens and taxpayers are finally trying to shed the huge two headed parasite formed by the government and government unions. What you are seeing on TV are the parasites becoming alarmed that the taxpayer hosts are trying to kill them off.

By getting rid of collective bargaining you are getting rid of the parasites. Government unions will cease to be economically viable if they do not have the club of collective bargaining to hold over the taxpayers heads.

Posted by: Bubbette1 | February 25, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party is history. Those who proudly carried that banner are dead. We are no longer a two-party democracy. There are only the Democrats and the neocons, the People and the multi-national corporations.

Our legislators are no longer seeking the same goal, the good of the People. Now the question is can our Constitutional government survive - democracy vs neoconservatism, the People vs corporate America. Will we continue to be citizens or will we become the subjects of the necon elite?

Posted by: outridercastle | February 25, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

We are seeing a totalitarian government form in America. A government which refuses to negotiate or compromise. A government which is stripping the basic tenants on which our nation was formed. The group forming the ruling class is that of the Republican party with the financial backing of big corporations, wall street, banks, energy companies, multi national conglomerates, industrialists and a handful of the ultra-rich. The republican party and these groups are twisting and manipulating reality and facts through lies, propaganda and faulty logic.

They do not care to govern, they want to rule America. They want to be the overlords in a new form of authoritarian totalitarian government in America which they still want to call an American democracy, a democracy in name only, and a democracy unlike our founding fathers had in mind, nor have we ever seen in the history of our union.

Posted by: cario1 | February 25, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"Okay, totally off the cuff remark... but I notice the Republicans keep their bellies like they like to keep their wallets. That's what happens when a person consumes more than they need. You know what they call a cell that over consumes."

Totally inane remark...And besides, some of those protesters look pretty well fed themselves.

Posted by: thesnowman23 | February 25, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"Wisconsin Dems shout 'shame' after union vote"

My analysis:

Shame, that public union workers have fostered a corrupt institution for so long.

Shame, that 100's of millions in union dues are spent by the democrat party - against the will of half of union members.

Shame, that unfettered worker freedom has been held hostage by union bosses/thugs.

Shame that 'shame stream' media doesn't understand unfettered freedom.

Shame, that "freedom" is only relevant when left-wing shame stream media editors hide behind the 1st Amendment - especially when they commit treasonous reporting.

Posted by: ruralamericans | February 25, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Okay, totally off the cuff remark... but I notice the Republicans keep their bellies like they like to keep their wallets. That's what happens when a person consumes more than they need. You know what they call a cell that over consumes.

Posted by: chrisbr1111 | February 25, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

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