Best Turkey Sandwich in DC

Boy, Joel, you are up and at 'em early today. Looks like someone else might be driving kids to summer school at an ungodly hour.

Its kinda like getting a fast food sandwich at Burger King or any of those places. You see it on TV after a makeup artist has been working over it for hours but when you take it out of the bag, it looks like someone has stepped on it or stuck it down their pants or something.

Joel, Joel, Joel. You are missing the biggest story in local news. Bigger than missing white women! Bigger than kids in car trunks! The Fairfax Cat Lady. As best I can determine from the sketchy reports, this woman has had over 500 cats within the last year or so. They found 303 at her home, about one third of those dead. They had taken 120 away from her a few months ago, and now they have found over 100 more, many of those dead, in a second house she owns. This woman literally has cats coming out of the woodwork. Is this felinophilia a recognized psychological condition? Why did she keep the departed felines around until she really and truly didn't have room to swing a cat? Inquiring minds want to know.

A fast food makeup artist? I'd never thought of it that way. I like it.

Maybe it's just because I'm hungry, but all this talk of the turkey sandwich at the Roasting House makes me want to move to D.C.

Perhaps the reason Subway's Turkey tastes foul instead of like fowl is because they are actually serving some of that woman's dead cats. Meow.

I have no pets because I hate to get up early and take them out AND I hate to clean up after them. Why anyone would want more than 1 at the outer limits has always been a mystery to me. Mental instability seems a good answer.
As far as turkey sanwiches go, I eat about 1 a year and it's the day after Thanksgiving, hopefully loaded up with cranberry sauce (out of the can, thank you) and left-over stuffing.
Re: food make-up artists, Big Macs are always the biggest dissapointment in real life.
PS: Joel, it's fun to find this upon turning on the computer. Nice work! Fully fits into what I like most about this little corner of the blogosphere too - whimsy.

Since I would never disagree with Joel, I'm going to say Jettys makes the SECOND (and third) BEST turkey sandwich(es). Also carved in front of you. My favorites are the Thanksgiving sandwich & the one with meunster cheese and brown mustard with gigantic seed grains. And a mean lemon bar. We're totally local now.

The Cat Lady is a prime example of why people need to spay and neuter their pets. I mean good gods she says that they kept having litters and thats how there got to be so many cats. Well if thats the case get them fixed, that'll take care of the problem!!

The cat thing is a sign of a serious mental health problem.

my roommate's mom kidnaps her neighbors' cats by leaving food out all the time, and then leaves hate letters for them talliong them the cats wouldn't come to her house to eat if they had taken care of their pets. She's acquired about 5 so far in this manner.

She's a real nutter.

All this talk about Cats? Andrew Lloyd Webber's getting ideas, people! Tone it down!! And return to turkeys--that what those of out here in the Midwest think most people in DC are anyhow?! Ouch--just kidding....make that most politicians...

argh - it's too early. where's that self-edit button?

I'm a dog person. Cats are a bit too snooty for me. They always look at you like they have information they could use against you and they're just waiting for you to give them a reason to use it. And kittens bite my toes. I don't like that.

Dogs will play tug-o-war with you with a rope. And they're always happy to see you. And they'll protect you. A cat would probably lead an intruder to you as if to say, "She bought me imitation beef in imitation gravy the other day instead of my usual chicken. Here she is. Have fun."

I can't believe that for all this local talk no one is pontificating on the BORF graffiti artist being caught. I live on U Street and his stuff is absolutely everywhere. If you have no idea what I'm talking about check out the story in the Style section. You can't walk five feet along U Street without seeing his name somewhere.

So is that a good thing or a bad thing?? And what does BORF stand for, do you think?

Borf is the nickname of his friend that died a couple of years ago (I think it was suicide--?).

Yup. Suicide.

BORF is the nickname of one of the kids' friends who died a couple years ago. His deceased friend is the face that accompanies some of the work as well. All his work is entertaining. But it has cost the city a bunch of money to clean parts of it up, so I would say the bad outweighs the good. And the kid himself is just full of clichés about obscure French philosophy and anti-capitalism.

FYI, Ferrets are my pick for best pets. They are basically cats on speed. If you have the time (which is key) to keep them entertained they are wonderful pets. They are most entertaining in groups, but the amount of trouble they cause grows exponentially by the number of them present.

As a cynical 20 year old who has noticed that most young people are full of cliches, I have to agree with Dawaldg. I might even be full of cliches.

But I do think he chose a horrible outlet to express himself. If he had painted it on a canvas and accompanied it with his philosophy regarding Borf, chances are he could have gone some place with it. But graffiti, even if the artist thinks it's noble, is still destructive.

as per the cat lady, im reminded of robert deniro in Meet the Parents when hes explaining to ben stillers character that dogs are socially shallow animals who giver affection relatively easily whereas one must work for a cat's affection and some people jsut cant handle that.
it seems as though this woman prefered the cats but did a rather shoddy job but a strong to very strong effort. Perhaps she was searching for affection you think the odds would have been in her favor, apparently not.

ferrets smell funny

Yes LP, deglanding them is key, as well as lots and lots of air freshener.

You gotta love the Borf kid. He lives with his folks in Great Falls, went to high school in McLean, and hates rich people. That's just the tip of the contradiction iceberg I suspect. Perhaps he could be sentenced to community service at a cat spay and neuter clinic in one of the D.C. schools' cafeterias?

deglanding?! whoa.

actually, i know some poeple who could use some "deglanding"

yeah, dogs are way better. They're just more social in general, and they don't claw the draperies.

They don't claw people, either.

i hope a cat isnt reading this. im afraid they would become terribly depressed.

And dogs come in so much more variety. Case in point: my friends have a pit-bull-weiner-dog mix. actually, mini-weiner. It's the most confused thing you've ever seen, like a weiner on mad 'roids. He provides hours of amusement.

Ahhh, anti-ferret propaganda, should have known this was coming. Dogs are my original love, coming from the country (Kansas). I love big dogs. But living in a big city with a big dog is just not right. They need room to run, and a 50 square foot triangle dog park in Dupont just won't get it done. If you take the time to play with your ferrets they don't bite or claw, mine are very well behaved. Biting is just a way to get attention.

yes i have a labradoodle and its wicked fun and cute in a evil scientist sort of way.

I have a dachshaund-yorkshire terrier mix. Dachshaund + Yorkie = Dorkie. That's what the breeder called her.

Oh, Dawaldg, I was referring to cats. Not ferrets. I don't have much experience with ferrets. But I'm not anti-ferret at all.

Speaking of animals, I saved a bird yesterday trapped in the stairwell of our parking garage. Cutest thing. Chirped a "thank you" and eventually flew out of my hands. I felt like Cinderella or Snow White (you know, they hung out with all those birds and got dressed by them). But birds as pets would be really boring.

I really wish I had something to do at work today.

I have a purebreed poodle, and he is best friends with a King Charles Cavalier. Actually, she's his girlfriend. I'd love to breed them and start a new breed, but someone beat me to the punch. (Google "cavapoo," look at the images, and beware of melting.)

Cat Woman: when the authorities arrived was she standing on the porch with about five cats in hand just tossing them at the officers as they approached?

Grafitti Kid: For a kid that lived in Great Falls, he spent a hell of a lot of time on the mean streets and alleys of DC. I have been seeing that "BUSH HATES BORF" tag on the redline near Rhode Island Ave for so long I forget when it went up. But what I can't help focus on is that this suburban kid was amazingly daring to waltz into high crime areas at late-late night to do some petty crap. Interesting.

Lunch: As pedestrian and "chain" as it is, I am quite partial to Quiznos' sandwich. Too pricey for what you get, but if there is nothing else around, this is decent chain food with the nice toasty bread and decent meat. I have tried many of the fresh carved turkey places over the years, but nearly every one that I sampled had poor turkey (usually dry).

I have a fried who has a poodle, scotty, cocker mix...the cockascottiepoo. Pretty funny the first time.

Mary Poppins was a classic bird encounter wherein they sang a duet. Its a shame that didnt occur.

i believe because its thursday work has lost its meaning (as neither a motivation for the weekend, as it is on friday, nor as a motivation for the start of the week, as is the case on Monday)

i simply am dedicated to the notion of visible industry for the day. which is sad in and of itself.

I have to take issue with ferrets being "cats on speed". They are snakes in fur coats--slinky, slithery, ugh.

As far as cats go, I have had a cat that we got as a small kitten thing. We already had a young dog. They bonded instantly, as the dog was very needy. So the kitten/cat grew up with this adoring older brother dog. Now the cat basically socializes and behaves as a dog. When you experience a cat like that, it totally changes your view on the species. I have never been a cat person, but my opinion completely flipped with this cat who likes to play fetch, wrestles lucha libre style with the dog, does old-fashioned dog tricks for treats, and greets strangers just like a dumb-happy dog.

And I forget to mention their snakey, beady eyes.

Lmm: If you have spent much time around a ferret you would see the connection. Just like cats they are hopelessly curious and inquisitive. Each one has a distinct personality and its own patterns and behaviors. They sleep most of the day, but when they are awake they move non-stop. Instead of being fleetingly affectionate like a cat, they despise being pet, and refuse to stand still for anything.

About the Local/National page thing: Don't you find it creepy when you actually KNOW that "they" are out there deciding which page view to show you? It's like buying a book and seeing it in another store with a different cover.

I asked dot.com's help staff if there's a way to flip back and forth between Local and National (instead of changing the default page) and they said "nope."

Oh well. At least we still get Joel on the front page and we don't have to start hearing from beyond the SAO-15.

If y'all could stop talking about dogs and cats for just a minute, and if we could all form a circle for the purpose of briefly singing Kumbaya, I hope that we can all agree -- regardless of political persuasion, regardless of whether you think Karl Rove is a stinkin' spawn of Satan or just a misunderstood nice guy, regardless of how you feel about anything else -- that a good sandwich is a good thing.

But please, mustard, no mayo, for me.

(You may now resume your chat about cats and dogs. A friend of mine has a labradoodle and it's just labradoodlerrrrific.)

Hey, don't be dissin' snakes. Snakes are clean, dry and quiet. They don't eat or poop daily or even weekly. Snakes are the solution, not the problem. Don't believe me check this (borrowed from Weingarten's chat) -

http://www.comics.com/creators/othercoast/archive/othercoast-20050712.html

I just read the Borf article. What an a-hat!!! Libby Copeland does a great job with little Mr. I-was-born-on-the-Upper-East-Side-and-now-I'm-an-anarchist.

irregardless: i agree there are exceptions to the rule. my dad collects rare breeds of cows, pretty odd, in any case, he has a cat. From following my father around this cat has taken up checking on cows and basically checks all the fields with my dad and ends up hearding cows toward him. The cat is absolutely amazing. My dad will not allow anyone to bring other pets to visit becaue the cat is so territorial and he doesnt want to mess with her kharma. she is treated like a person rather than a an animal. she sits on the pool deck and will even jump in for a brief swim. Weird cat. great pet.

Baggins, I agree. About the good sandwich and about the mustard.

Switching gears: Does anyone have an unhealthy obsession with Pugs as I do?

I want to adopt one, but fear that my love for said dog would dwindle after learning that it would not be able to talk, a la the pug in Men In Black II.

Turkey sandwich: If you work down in the hinterlands of SW (DOT, HUD, and FAA folks mostly), there is a well known deli called the Atrium Cafe on School Street SW that also carves fabulous turkey right in front of your eyes and loads it onto your bread or wrap to create something warm, savory, and almost too big to shove in your mouth. They have the most red, thicky, juicy, luscious tomato slices, too. Which is freaky since the only ones i ever see at the groccery look kind of weak. And if you don't like turkey, they carve ham and roast beef for sammiches, too. The line is rarely less than 25-30 people deep, but you still manage to move through it in about 5 minutes thanks to their soup nazi-esque system of efficency.

A good sammich is definitly a good thing. Turkey sammiches are especially great. I'm partial to turkey with avacado. and bacon. mmmmmm.....

Remember the days of the Lunch Box in downtown D.C. some years ago? They were all over the place. Maybe 15. They were known for their fresh turkey sandwiches. The meat was all carved off the bird -- none of that nitrate-laden lunchmeat-style crap most places serve now. Boy I wish they were still in business.

Do you sammich eaters work for the gummint?

I have a cat who is 13 years old now, she was once a "foundling" and had been taken away from her mother before she was fully weaned. She came into our home with two dogs, to this day (5 years after having moved with me away from my mom's dogs)she rarely utters a "meow", its usually more of a "mow" that sounds a lot like she's trying to bark. I also have a tabby who is 3 years old, and the both of them come greet me at the door whenever I come home, as well as come and greet visitors. They also have to sleep in the bed at night, and on cold winter nights they even manage to burrow under the covers. Before anyone comments to this, yes they are spoiled!

Oh. Turkey and avacado. Wow, I'm starving. I know what I'm having for lunch.

Bacon to me is like Steve Buschemi. Not usually the main ingredient in any meal. But always steals the show and ends up making the thing taste (Bacon, not Buschemi)great.

Speaking of work and having nothing to do, and food;

My benevolent employers have just thrust some posterboard and markers at me, and asked that I do some "community inspring" posters promoting the company potluck next month. I have no idea what I'm goin to do.

Any ideas? Really. I need some serious help here. I'm really not kidding.

Community inspiring, huh? Does the potluck have a theme? If it doesn't, make one up.

My 7 year old blonde, blue-eyed cat,Puma, is sooooooooo sweet. Instead of bringing me gifts of dead lizards or dead birds to demonstrate his affection, he deposits leaves that have fallen from my neighbors' magnolia tree onto the welcome mat at my front door. My dog never brings me squat!

the theme is "we are too cheap to buy anything for you, so if you do all the work we will be kind enough to provide a table upon which to put it"

Well, make that theme obvious then! Big block letters. In red. Definitely community inspiring then.

Are you the PR person for your company or something? I remember when I was working PR last year. I had to design brochures.

Shout-out to TulsaFan: The New York Times had a (rather snide) article about the evolution vs. creationism debate at the Tulsa Zoo--if you register at nytimes.com you can read it for free

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/10/opinion/10sun2.html?

(I'm from Sand Springs, with the emphasis on the "from" as in "I left as soon as I could"--no offense to you, TulsaFan)

Nope, not the PR person. The evil HR director just happens to know that I freelance as an illustrator on the side - and they didn't want to bother anyone in the actual art department, b'c they're understaffed and underpaid. Lucky me - i couldn't find a tactful way to say no.

LP. Not saying that this is your only choice, but if you don't want to get stuck with helping out with the evil HR director's pet potluck projects in the future, there is a way. Just make the thing so mockingly hilarious that she/he will never ask again. How about a theme entirely based on Salsa? Every dish has to have salsa as an ingredient or topping.

This is why you don't tell people about yourself and what you do for hobbies or side jobs. It comes back to haunt you.

southernbelle:
Pugs! I had one growing up, and I'm only just getting over my unhealthy obsession.
You're right, they don't talk like the Men in Black pug, but they do make these cute little grizzling noises as a result of their respiratory difficulties, which is almost as good as talking. Plus, it's fun to invent a voice for them and attribute all sorts of opinions and song lyrics to them. Sometimes my sister and I would say to each other, "Do you know what he just said to me? . . . .What a cheek!" Or we'd hear some opera singer on the TV or radio and ask said pug if he would mind keeping it down a little.
(OK, so if you don't hear from me on the Achenblog for a while, you'll know it's because I've been carted off to the nuthouse -- ooh, is it OK to say "nuthouse"? It's probably not very PC.)

tell me about it. I've been staring at this stupid posterboard for three hours now. And the markers they bought me are really crappy

ME LOVE TURKEY SAMMIES!

The two best I've had:

1) The Marriott HQ cafeteria! Sad but true! It's fresh off the yardbird, and covered with cranberry sauce and mayo! YUMMERS!

2) Safeway makes a kick tush sammy on their rustic EYEtalian bread. Slap some swiss on, and I am good!

Achenfan,

Thank GOD there's someone else out there that has this obsession - my boyfriend thinks I'm nuts (no offense to "nuthouse" taken, trust me).

Some friends of mine that live in LA have two - they're siblings by the names of Winston and Maggie, named after Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher. I imagine that they have the cutest British accents... :)

Oh how I miss the Roasting House. Used to work right around the corner at 15th and K when the place first opened. I was an early adopter and went there for lunch almost everyday. I'm glad to hear that its still in business and evidently, keeping it's quality high. Thinking about the Roasting House and the empanada place a few storefronts down is making me hungry. Time for lunch here in Chicago.

my vote goes for Third and Eats at 3rd and E St. (clever name, yes?). They too carve their turkey, as well as their ham and roast beef. Great restaurant that helps support the local community too.

southernbelle: I hate to break it to you, but just because achenfan shares your obsession, that does not mean you are not insane. And it is certainly not going to convince the boyfriend.

I think the cat lady is really a physicist doing some experiments regarding Schrodinger's thory of quantum superposition or indeterminacy ("collapsing the waves", as some of us like to say). Perhaps she works for Karl Rove's big reality-altering program.

Sadly, cats are not subatomic particles.

And mentally infirm people don't make reliable Observers.

I gurantee that Borf kid will get some $$ from the National Academy of the Arts after he serves his debt to society.

bc

Ouch, kbertocci!
I've actually had people tell me I'm the most normal person they know. Go figure . . .

bc:
Yes! I've held grave fears for Schrodinger's cat for some time now. It seems those fears were justified.

Not sure if your bubble has yet been burst, but Roasting House cookies are hardly homemade. They come straight outta the food service box, which came straight outta the freezer.

Re: kbertocci's comments

Wow - yeah, ouch is right...

Heading over to Got Plans Forum, where the people are nicer.

Actually, kbertocci is nice. We go back a ways, way back to the early days of TSA-15. I'm sure she was kidding in a good way.

Speaking of the TSA-15. Is it just me or are people missing today?

Everyone who's anyone is here, Sara.

Oh, except fdg31, nottamember, and Linda Loomis. They're anyone, and they're not here. I've probably left some other members off the list -- sorry.

Oh, and jw.
That's it! You're missing jw! That's so sweet . . .

3rd and Eats is the best turkey sandwich b/c the carve it off an actual bird and the place's goal is training homeless people for jobs.

Also, Roasting House has a giant jug of ginger-peach iced tea on the counter that appears to be made fresh throughout the day, which is absolutely indispensable during the sauna-like summer months.

Lynn St. Deli in Rosslyn carves right from the turkey as well.

Achenfan: haha! I did notice that jw was one of the missing, but I also noticed that there were others missing, such as fdg31. I don't play favorites. I think.

I don't think I've ever had a very good turkey sandwich in a resturant, fast food joint, carryout, or diner...

Put me down as one of those who loves The Day After Thanksgiving/XMas leftover turkey sandwiches with stuffing and gravy.

We're all going to die sometime, might as well know what's going to kill me. This is my Healthcare Management Plan.

I may not look overweight, but I'm sure my blood is the consistency of peanut butter. I eat asprin like M&Ms to keep the pressure down (my doc keeps asking me if I run because my b/p and pulse is on the low side - ha! if she only knew), and I'm keeping an eye on nanotechnology, hoping for the little "Scrubbing Bubbles" nanobots that will scour my circulatory system before they have to call in the big plumber's snakes to do the job before a Grand Mal takes me.

bc

Ah, I wish I could have edited that last before I posted it.

bc

southernbelle and achenfan: I'm kidding! it's like my father says:

"Someone who tries to tell the truth is called a prophet; someone who actually does tell the truth is called a comedian."

It was just the truth, but I did think it was funny.

Didn't mean to hurt anybody's feelings.

I stopped short of informing southernbelle that achenfan is an admitted antipodean.

(But this time around, I didn't stop myself!) It really seems like nobody is working today. I love it that Joel says HE'S getting in trouble for being on the blog too much!! He's hooked like the rest of us!

I'll have to take your word for the best turkey sandwich in DC, since I haven't lived there in 9 years. But your comments have forced me to skip my planned skipping of today's lunch in order to go down to Austin Java Co. for our best in town.

It's like the Saturday after Thanksgiving year round: Thick hand sliced smoked turkey brest, whole berry cranberry sauce, mayo, and salad greens on a thin white bread I've not seen elswehere (like focaccia, but softer). I've already called it in, so I guess I'd better go get it.

That's right, kbertocci. Where I come from, taking the mickey out of other people is practically a national sport. It's part of the tall poppy syndrome; no-one is allowed to get too big for his or her britches.

Big cat fan here--dogs are too codependent for me. Yeeech. But it's really sad about the cat-obsessed lady. Well, sad in an "I wanna smack her" way...

And, jeez! Borf! Stop being so shallowly pseudo-angsty, man. You retroactively give the angsty-young-person I used to be (and all the other ones out there) a really bad rep.

Snakes, though, are incredible things. Even cooler than ferrets, I think. The way they move is awe-inspiring.

Not so hot on turkey.

Little Known Secret For Turkey-Loving Feds:
The otherwise mediocre cafeteria at the U.S. Department of interior makes awesome fresh, roasted turkey everyday for lunch. Can get these in sandwiches or platters (with side dishes). Really cheap, too.

The best turkey sandwhich I've eaten in the District came from C.F. Folks (near The Palm on 19th). All of their sandwiches are great, but the turkey is exceptional.

kbertocci: I still can't believe what the Mayor of Tulsa tried to force on our Zoo. Good news is that the Tulsa Parks board rescinded their decision. The Tulsa Zoo shall not have a creationist exhibit. Bad news is that the whole brouhaha will force the Zoo to pull the Ganesha statue out of the Elephant House.
I did my part in the whole controversy and celebrated the 4th of July weekend by getting people in the community to sign petitions to let the Parks board know that we do not support the creationist exhibit and that Tulsa and Oklahoma is NOT Kansas!

As for Turkey Sandwiches. My favorite was a little deli behind a Bank of America in Bethesda. It was a wrap with carved turkey, lettuce, mayo, avocado, carrots and sprouts. I miss those wraps!

TURKEY: Van Ness-UDC neighborhood students and workers know that Your Way Cafe serves fresh carved turkey every day. Hot, juicy, delicious alternative to Subway.

BORF: I live near the anti-Borf "BORF IS A DO" sign mentioned at the end of the article. My friends and I have conjectured at length about the intended statement. I think DORK, others say DOLT. One even says statement means what it says: "do," as in "dos and don'ts". But the best idea is written on the sign in small letters, probably with a Sharpie:
"A deer? A female deer? WHAT?"

best turkey sandwich ever at the Sand-Witch in Salem, MA. Turkey on a wheat wrap with cranberry and stuffing.. sounds weird but its fabulous.

Van Ness-UDC students also know that one of the worst rush hour intersections is at Van Ness and Connecticut Ave. They added a left turn signal without adding a left turn lane, so if the first person is not turning left, everyone behind them is screwed. Oh how I love when lighting patterns are changed to make traffic worse!

Breadline's turkey sandwich is the best

I've really nothing to say, but I noticed that there are 99 comments and none in the last hour, and I want Joel to get into triple figures to show that he can bring eyeballs to the blog even when he doesn't mention KR (He Who Shall Not Be Named).

The He Who Shall Not Be Named item didn't make nearly as many comment hits as the turkey sandwich item. I think that's proof that we've sufficiently gotten Rove out of our systems.

...yeah, he's just a turkey anyhow.

Best Turkey Sandwich is at the Sunrise Cafe at 888 First Street in the FERC building. Worth every penny!

Joel, I work across the street from the Post and I agree, the Roasting Place is where it's it!

THE BEST TURKEY SANDWICH IN THE CITY IS THE NOBADEER AT JETTIES. NOTHING IS EVEN CLOSE.

Does the Dutch Mill Deli on Indiana Ave NW (near the Archives Metro Stop) still make hand-carved turkey sandwiches in front of you? Their turkey on rye, piled high with lettuce and slathered with mayo used to be outstanding.

The best turkey sandwich is at Jetties, near the corner of Foxhall and Reservior in Georgetonw. The Nobadeer sadwich has freshly carved turkey, Thanksgiving-style stuffing and cranberry sauce. It's awesome. Their Surfside is also a great turkey sandwich. In fact, this is the best sandwich place in town, in my opinion, and it's not even in my neighborhood.

the BEST turkey is Boars Head Brand, the only problem is that south of New Jersey, no one carries it. Balducci's used to carry it, but stopped a few days ago because they said it was too expensive to carry.

I don't dare enter the fray about which is best...but it makes sense that everyone should have a good deli near where they work. It should be a natural right or something.

So to share my secret, there is also a nice little deli in Silver Spring, MD. that roasts its own turkey and cooks it's own ham and roast beef. It is off of Georgia Ave. and Cameron tucked behind the Christian Science Reading Room and next to the SunTrust and the Tap Dance Studio. It is one of the several cash-only Silver Spring establishments, hidden away from all the nice,new Discovery-led development.

There really isn't anything like turkey right off the bone...is there?

Which post got more hits, H.W.S.N.B.N'd or Turkey doesn't mean Rove is out of our system. These hits degraded into a cat vs. dog discussion. Those can extend for decades until the people discussing them die themselves. Then their kids talk about it to. It is endless.