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Not Inhaling at Georgetown, Etc.

Here's a good yarn from a reader named Andy, too good to let it languish near the bottom of yesterday's Comments queu:

  "A little background about the "inhale" comment: I went to Georgetown about 5 years after Clinton graduated. The place was filled with Clinton-types - earnest student government presidents who all envisioned a major career in government, all jockeying for Hill internships, etc. There would be plenty of Friday/Saturday night parties where these types would show up (usually still in blazer and tie), and in an attempt to fit in with us regular Joes, while still preserving their "plausible deniability", when the joint would come around they would put it to their lips, pretend to smoke, and then pass it on. We thought it was a hoot because of the charade and the constant effort needed to be done to keep up appearances in all camps, but hey, it meant more dope for us and they had no idea how ridiculous they looked, so there was great entertainment value. Saw it many many times.
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When Clinton came out with his "I didn't inhale" statement, I knew exactly what he was talking about - he had waited 20+ years to be able to say it too - and I was mildly surprised by the reaction of all those who weren't there who just *knew* that Clinton had to be lying because they couldn't conceive of the possibility otherwise. That sort of thinking reminds me of those Moslems who are incapable of accepting that a fellow Moslem could be a terrorist because a Moslem wouldn't blow up innocent women and children. Judgement based upon nothing more than the person's own biases and beliefs rather than actual observation. Anyway, I was there, and I totally believe that Clinton never inhaled and anybody who insists that he did - or uses that as "proof" of Clinton's mendacity just doesn't know what he/she is talking about."

  And as long as we're raising comments from the Comments mire, here's a good one from JW this morning:

    "Random question: does anyone fact-check letters to the editor? The one about Tom Toles' cartoon was pretentious and completely wrong (which is a really horrible combination). First, the writer condescendingly suggests that Toles doesn't know how to teach someone to tie their shoes, when in fact everyone knows that the "bunny around the tree" method is quite acceptable and correct. To give the writer some credit, it can also be used for teaching a bowline, although we're talking about a completely different tree and bunny. Then, the writer says that, "...of course(!)," what is needed is a square knot. Who ties their shoe with a square knot? No one!"

By Joel Achenbach  |  July 12, 2005; 11:03 PM ET
 
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I concur - I went to a small private college with a lot of aspiring politicians, and often saw the same thing going on - paying 'lip service' to the dope being passed around.

Posted by: LP | July 13, 2005 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Were they really pretending to inhale? Or did they just not realize they were supposed to inhale?

Posted by: Achenfan | July 13, 2005 12:00 PM | Report abuse

While it's wonderful that Joel treasures his readers and shares the insightful and witty comments on the main blog, I'm thinking that he's engineered a pretty nifty little gig. All he need do is stir the pot, add a little fairy (or Rove) dust, and voila: the self-perpetuating column where he need not compose.

Posted by: irregardless | July 13, 2005 12:06 PM | Report abuse

wait...i'm commenting on something JW said? couldn't i just do that in the comments normally? once the RoveStorm passes, I think joel's new method may break down.

Posted by: edward | July 13, 2005 12:08 PM | Report abuse

and when do we get to talk about Tom Delay? You promised, Joel!

Posted by: edward | July 13, 2005 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I went to a very large public university in Austin, Texas. My memories of college in the late 60's are not quite the same. We all would pretend to draw the smoke deep into our lungs, pretend to hold it in as long as possible, then pretend to let it slowly out of our mouths, recircing into our noses again. Then we would all pretend to be montrously hungry and eat vast quantities of diner food while pretending to giggle at nothing. Then we would go to Threadgill's or Armadillo World Headquarters for music and cultcha. Aspiring politicians avoided such campuses like Rush Limbaugh at a convention of Captain Ahab impersonators.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | July 13, 2005 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Joel's method worked before he began his comments on the Rove situation (though it did bring in several new members of the many dimensioned SAO15), so I tend to disagree with you edward. I don't think the method will break down.

But if Joel is starting to post OUR comments as his blog, I think we might start competing against each other. We'll try to come up with wittier and more intelligent things to say than the last post, and eventually we'll be writing posts using only sentences consisting of words of 10 letters or more and it will be ridiculous. Maybe some of us may even invent our own new "intelligent" words. And we'll all adopt British accents.

Posted by: Sara | July 13, 2005 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I was really glad that the letter about Toles appeared in the Post. I had NO IDEA what the hell Toles was talking about with "bunny around the tree". ????!!? I thought he had finally cracked under the deadline pressure. You know, he doesn't have a comments section that he can rip off for his daily cartoon.

Hmmm... I can't recall how I learned to tie my shoes, but I don't think bunnies were involved.

Posted by: jarmuschguy | July 13, 2005 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Oops. I forgot to mention that I went to college with Farrah Fawcett. Yep, just me and Farrah and 42,000 other schmoes...

Posted by: kurosawaguy | July 13, 2005 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Just because *some* aspiring politicians at Georgetown didn't inhale, doesn't mean that Clinton also did not. Just because lots of theater technicians smoke cigarettes, does not mean that I do too. Just because some primates throw feces, doesn't mean that we all do.

Posted by: egadman | July 13, 2005 12:23 PM | Report abuse

It is possible that joel has just recognized our supreme intelligence and witty criticisms of pop culture should be raised above "comments" status and go right to the main subject line. That, or he's gotten very, very lazy......

Posted by: LP | July 13, 2005 12:24 PM | Report abuse

It will be a RARE event when any comment gets elevated from the Kaboodle (aka the Comment Mire) to the Kit (the main blog item), but I liked the no-inhaling thing a lot, not that I've ever had any experience with such an activity. And the JW thing was just to make it seem more like a "package" of comments. But I expect every comment, even those mired in the Kaboodle, to be brilliantly composed. Not that I read them, you understand.

Posted by: Achenbach | July 13, 2005 12:27 PM | Report abuse

It's sad that I have time to find this stuff.

Bunny and tree on a really sad website: http://www.chasa.org/tyingshoes.htm

Posted by: jw | July 13, 2005 12:29 PM | Report abuse

every morning i still have to try to "remember" how to tie my shoes. if bunnies are involved, they must be hiding under my bed.

Posted by: edward | July 13, 2005 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Ouch! I was stoked with the shout-out, and then Joel calls my post the "JW thing" and says it was just filler! Bah.

Posted by: jw | July 13, 2005 12:31 PM | Report abuse

This is why it's good to be a woman. You don't need to tie high heels. You have to endure walking in pain, but you don't have to tie them.

Posted by: Sara | July 13, 2005 12:32 PM | Report abuse

yeah, but you know those sheels with the little side buckles that go around your ankle? It's like you've gotta be a contortionist to get those on...

Posted by: LP | July 13, 2005 12:42 PM | Report abuse

You may have to walk in pain, but at least you look good. It's all about priorities.

Posted by: grtc | July 13, 2005 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but what about the high heels that also have the laces that wrap up around the ankle? Is that the worst of both worlds?

Posted by: Eric | July 13, 2005 12:45 PM | Report abuse

i dunno.... i like my flip-flops, personally. Casual-dress offices rule.

Posted by: LP | July 13, 2005 12:48 PM | Report abuse

>>Just because *some* aspiring politicians at Georgetown didn't inhale, doesn't mean that Clinton also did not.

But the point is - just because Clinton said that he didn't inhale doesn't mean that he did and that therefore he must have been lying about it - which many people (pretty much unchallenged in the media) seem to believe ipso facto.

Posted by: Andy | July 13, 2005 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I discovered closed-toe leather sandals this year. In a Rovesque "I did not name her" way they meet the requirements of a business casual workplace...Woohoo! My feet have never been happier.

Posted by: irregardless | July 13, 2005 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I tie my shoes in a square knot, although most folks use a granny. Just because the free ends are doubled back into the knot for easy untying doesn't change the nature or name of the knot itself. Take a close look at what you are doing next time, and change over to a square knot if you are tired of retying your shoes during the day.

Posted by: rob | July 13, 2005 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Flip-flops and shorts--in the office! It's wonderful. One day we decided that if "they" instituted a Casual Friday here, we'd all have to just pretty much wear our pajamas to work.

Posted by: TBG | July 13, 2005 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Hmm...you have a point there. I may actually be wrong. It IS a square knot with the ends passed back through. But are the ends passing back through the knot enough to make it an entirely different knot?

Posted by: jw | July 13, 2005 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I use a squareknot to tie my shoes, if the laces habitually come undown of their own accord. My mocassins at home have this problem. Do a square knot, then do the loop thing. And, no, I was not a boy scout...

Posted by: Foodie | July 13, 2005 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I like to take the laces out of my shoes and tie them into monkeyfists, then throw them at cats. Unfortunately, without the lead weight in the center, it loses some of the effect.

Posted by: Eric | July 13, 2005 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I was tought using bunny analogies for both bowline & shoe tying. Yes virginia, there are two bunnies. I never realized it was a "double slipped" square (apparently aka reef) knot until reading the letter to the editor. Some quick shoe tying confirmed it is actually a square knot obfuscated by the loops.

Posted by: FooFoo | July 13, 2005 1:51 PM | Report abuse

It is indeed a bowed square knot if you do it right. If you do a bowed granny knot instead (it's more natural to the person tying because of the fact that a granny knot crosses the same way both times through, where as a square knot leads with one side, then the other) (1) your shoes are more likely to come untied and (2) your laces will not lie neatly orthogonal to your shoe (for my fellow OCDers out there... though you guys already knew all that).

Posted by: left of the pyle | July 13, 2005 4:00 PM | Report abuse

A transition from shoe tying to RoveStorm: A colleague once taught me how to tie my shoes like they do in the CIA. For CIA-tied shoes, according to my colleague, the bunny makes two trips around the tree. Shoes tied this way do not come undone.

Posted by: tj | July 13, 2005 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Here's an interesting cultural test -
Were you taught to tie your shoes by your father or your mother (if you were only taught to velcro your shoes, you're too young to be part of this test).
My answer: Dad

Posted by: bostonreader | July 13, 2005 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I distinctly remember back in the mid-1990s seeing some commentator on (I think) The McLaughlin Group specifically discuss the Clinton inhaling story. This guy went to school with Clinton and he said that he was there when Clinton didn't inhale. Someone passed Clinton a joint. He said that Clinton had allergies or asthma or something, and as soon as he started to take a puff he broke into a coughing fit. He never inhaled because he couldn't.

He wasn't offering it as a defense. In fact, he made some offhand comment about Clinton being typically weasely about his answer. But he said that despite all that, Clinton's claim was true--he didn't inhale.

It seemed believable.

Posted by: DDAY | July 13, 2005 5:52 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, Martin Walker, in his book The President We Deserve, says Clinton didn't inhale because he was no good at smoking. But Walker claims Clinton did ingest a goodly number of laced browies and cookies back in the day.

Posted by: Baggins | July 13, 2005 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I was actually taught how to tie my shoes by my brother. My parents tried but I just couldn't get it. My brother helped me and the light bulb came on.

Posted by: cloudy | July 14, 2005 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I always tie my boots with a square knot. It is neater and more secure and doesnt get tangled up when untying

Posted by: nonstop5 | July 14, 2005 4:32 PM | Report abuse

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