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Dangerous Real Estate Fantasies

    Traveling in California is dangerous, because you start having real estate investment fantasies. Something about the air, the light, the golden hills, it makes you turn your face to the sun, take a deep breath, and think: I could make some money here.

    Like, maybe you'll invest in this cute little wine-country town in the Central Coast, the one that's pre-Starbucks, that doesn't feel fully discovered, that's so sleepy you could pitch a tent on Main Street after 9 p.m. The one with the old drive-in root beer stand where the waitress hangs a tray on your car window and you feel like you're in American Graffiti. There are dozens of wineries in the surrounding vales, new vines everywhere. (At a winery you can pull right in, sidle up to a counter, and sample six wines for three bucks. At one winery there's a sign over the exit that says "Who's the Skipper?" Apparently that is a reference to the driver, who should be someone who hasn't overtasted the grapes, but it is simply impossible to avoid thinking "Alan Hale.")

   Yes, invest now, park some big money here in wine country and watch it double in a decade. Every day you wait, you're letting opportunity erode. Eventually this place will be ruined like every other place, totally overbuilt, congested, a parody of itself, and if you don't join in the ruination right this second you're an idiot.

   Or is that just the coffee speaking to you. Too much coffee and you get too many real estate notions. For coffee you go to the Java Zone. It's not a coffee house, but rather a kiosk perched in a parking lot. The dude working the early shift this morning had a metal band called Throwdown cranked while he poured me the dark roast. "It's the wake-up call," he said. "You get a little heavy metal with your coffee." I would describe the band's sound as extremely caffeinated.

    Gradually, doubts creep in. Could it be too late to invest? Already there are fancy restaurants selling French food, all that quail and duck and bunny meat, all those chewy little snails. There's a wine bar with soft couches, a place you'd have to guess was not around in Steinbeck's day. There are mineral water hot tubs on the balconies at the inn, and though the water is sulfuric, and thus slightly suggestive of Hell, you realize that others, who have the advantage of actually having money and business sense, have already been here, even before the hot tubs and the French restaurants, and have already snapped up all the good deals, and are now waiting (chuckling to themselves) for some total dope like you to come in and purchase overpriced property. The smart money doesn't even invest in America anymore, it's out there scouring the backcountry of India and China.

   Remember: If you've thought of it, it's already too late.

By Joel Achenbach  |  August 18, 2005; 11:40 AM ET
 
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Joel: You are right on the money. For years, after leaving California for the Midwest, I ruminated over my decision not to try to buy a tiny piece of coast near Oxnard. Right now, it's probably worth gazillions and has a mammoth condo village built there. But even fifteen years ago, it was overpriced. Now it's probably obscenely, hideously, apocalypsically overpriced.

Posted by: CowTown | August 18, 2005 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I know people who bought houses in Key West in the 1970's--in my personal experience, that is the ultimate real estate move. But the secret is, they didn't buy as an investment. They bought because they wanted to live there. The fact that the house they paid $30,000 for is now worth $3 million--well, that's just a bonus.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 18, 2005 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Ha! CowTown, you ruminated! Maybe only those of us who've taken animal med classes will find that funny in connection with your nickname, but being one of those people, I found it funny. Reminds me of the time I had to stick my hand in a cow's stomache, though. That wasn't funny. And the cow wasn't laughing heartily, either. He looked at me with loathing, actually.

Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2005 12:09 PM | Report abuse

CowTown:
You "ruminated": Ha!

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Achenfan! Woah.

Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2005 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Joel, were reading some HST on your way out there? You could call this series "fear and loathing in the central coast" Except instead of doing meth and speed and pondering the state of american culture your drinking too much coffee and pondering the state of american real estate. It's brillient.

Posted by: LP | August 18, 2005 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Hello achenfriends! Just got back showing sis the Charles River while on a long bike ride along Storrow Drive. It's a beautiful morning. The chicken fried steak etc. was a big hit and there's a LOT of pie left. Maybe I should send it on dry ice to Porching hour! I made the slight mistake of buying pastry flour at Whole Foods which of course turned out to be WHOLE GRAIN pastry flour, so the cake was a bit heavier than I would have liked - but there were no complaints. I appreciated all of the salivating, as well as the marriage proposals. Always flattering. Off to entertain ... I'm still looking for jw (wear your Free Katie t-shirt if you're on the Common).

Posted by: bostonreader | August 18, 2005 12:16 PM | Report abuse

bostonreader, that's a great ride, along the river there. Used to do that a lot in my younger days.

Posted by: LP | August 18, 2005 12:18 PM | Report abuse

kbertocci - You are SO right. The only reason in my mind to buy real estate is because you love the place and want to live there. Buying with the sold idea of making a quick killing in the market just seems greedy (and very risky) to me.

Posted by: bostonreader | August 18, 2005 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to grab a piece of land between Santa Fe and Taos and grow dental floss. Raise it up and wax it down.

Posted by: LB | August 18, 2005 12:29 PM | Report abuse

My gosh, what quick minds reside in the Boodle. I promise I'll go light on the puns. But, "ruminate" is a handy word, eh?

Posted by: CowTown | August 18, 2005 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Makes me wanna work on developing a fourth stomach, CowTown.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention a second and third, Achenfan.

Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2005 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I already have those -- remember?

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 12:57 PM | Report abuse

i love that sleepy little wine town that looks like old time Germany - can't remember the name of it but it's just sooooo cute!

Posted by: mo | August 18, 2005 1:05 PM | Report abuse

i have a friend who "flips" houses as a side job - he's making a KILLING!!! but it's up in the baltimore area...

Posted by: mo | August 18, 2005 1:06 PM | Report abuse

mo: There's Solvang. It's Danish. It's very close to the Santa Inez wineries. Is that what you're thinking about. Any of you Californian's remember the City of Santa Claus (trivia question)?

Posted by: CowTown | August 18, 2005 1:08 PM | Report abuse

THAT's the one cowtown - danish - german - same diff! isn't it the cutest????

isn't the city of santa claus near santa barbara off the pch?

Posted by: mo | August 18, 2005 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Re: Wanting to live there...

The real sorrow comes when you want to live in a place that you will never be able to afford. Cape Cod, I'm looking at YOU. (Although the taxes are awfully nice, and they were talking about the excellent electricity plan on Marketplace on NPR last night...)

Posted by: AbaZoe | August 18, 2005 1:22 PM | Report abuse

mo, mo, mo [sadly shaking head here]: Danish and German are not the same diff at all... how would you like it if we said "goths - preppies - same diff."

I have now avenged the honor of my Danish ancestors and can continue my ruminations on exactly how many stomachs I need to eat Bostonreader's leftover pie.

Posted by: Snarky Squirrel | August 18, 2005 1:26 PM | Report abuse

freudian real estate SCC - "sold" idea versus "sole idea"

Posted by: bostonreader | August 18, 2005 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Snarky: If you want to eat the entire leftover pie, you will need a good 4 or 5 human stomachs. There must be a squirrel / human stomach conversion chart SOMEWHERE on the internet!

Posted by: bostonreader | August 18, 2005 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"apocalypsically", CowTown?

Hmmm.

bc

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2005 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Remember when you used to go on vacation and dream of buying a place there because it was so wonderful and living there would be like being on vacation all year round? Instead, where once he would have seen potential retirement home, JA now sees potential investment. I blame it on the insane DC real estate market; it's warped everyone's perspective on life.

Posted by: grtc | August 18, 2005 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Before my time:
When the coastal portions of the Los Angeles Basin were filled with fragrant orange groves.

For those who still have memory:
When the approach to Sacramento from Tahoe had numerous giant oak trees clustered along the roadside and into the empty golden fields beyond.

When the almond and fruit orchards, whose blossoms looked like a springtime blizzard of white, clustered thickly around Modesto.

When acres and acres of fig groves, with boughs dripping with fleshy, purple fruit, wound around Fresno.

When hobby-horse oilwells, bobbing and pumping day and night, were just a few miles beyond Oak Street in Bakersfield.

How long before the vineyards disappear around Napa, before garlic is gone from Gilroy, before the giant artichoke plants no longer blanket Castroville's acres? Will Patterson protect its apricots, whose soft yellow-orange orbs taste like nectar of the Gods?

When the North Shore campground at Lake Tahoe was next to a boy's camp, rather than the Giant Safeway and its asphalt-covered parking lot, whose giant lights stole the darkness and robbed us of the brilliance of the Milky Way?

I have loved California far longer and with far more emotional involvment than for many men, and now know that it has changed so that it is no longer recognizable...

Do the butterflies still stop by the thousands at Montana de Oro? Do big brown bears still amble down the hillside within Sequoia National Park into Lodgepole Creek, so that the swimmers must back up the opposite hillside until the bear is finished with his afternoon bath?

To move out of the state and know that we'll never be able to move back and settle there again? Perhaps one day a trailer home in Paradise?

Best real estate bets in California perhaps: King City? McCloud? Yreka? Chico? Alpine County? Elko, Nevada?

Posted by: Linda Loomis | August 18, 2005 1:59 PM | Report abuse

oops sorry SS!!! danish and german are not alike! that's like saying panamana and mexico - no diff - which would greatly piss me off so i apologize!! goth - preppies? not only is it not no diff it's the complete opposite!

Posted by: mo | August 18, 2005 2:05 PM | Report abuse

scc - panamana = panama

Posted by: mo | August 18, 2005 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I know, I just liked the juxtaposition of goth and prep -- it made me chuckle to myself. Where's panamana? (I'm sorry -- I'm really yanking your chain today. We yank because we love.)

Posted by: Snarky Squirrel | August 18, 2005 2:10 PM | Report abuse

The Skipper was Alan Hale, Jr., as any good castaway knows. Alan Hale was his father, a character actor. (Yes, yes, the IMDB says Jr. Went by just "Alan Hale" after his father passed away in 1950, but the Jr. was right there in the credits.) C'mon! Sing along! Sit right back.... AIIEEEEEEE!

Posted by: Gilligan | August 18, 2005 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Snap! Your correction beat my post by 11 seconds. I hate that.

Posted by: Snarky Squirrel | August 18, 2005 2:11 PM | Report abuse

HAH! ;p too quick for your squirrely fingers huh?

Posted by: mo | August 18, 2005 2:24 PM | Report abuse

tee hee

Posted by: ttp | August 18, 2005 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Per CowTown's question, California isn't the only state with a town named Santa Claus. Indiana has one too, and though I haven't been there since about 1979, it used to have a small, slightly seedy amusement park called Santa Claus Land (think elf statues badly in need of paint, characters in really cheap costumes, and wooden rides that creaked a LOT more than they should have). When I was three I was nearly trampled by a deer in the petting zoo there, making me wonder if the author of "Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer" might have been there that day.

Back to my usual lurker status...

Posted by: Nashville (but not the one I've seen post on here before) | August 18, 2005 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I wish some of these lurkers would come out of hiding more often -- their posts are always so witty, informative, and well written. Why lurk? Come on in and 'boodle with us!

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 2:52 PM | Report abuse

don't forget santa claus georgia and santa claus arizona.

Posted by: omnigood | August 18, 2005 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday, F Troop; today, Gilligan? Is Joel really traveling or just holed up in some motel watching classic tv reruns?

Posted by: kbertocci | August 18, 2005 2:57 PM | Report abuse

You could be onto something, kbertocci. We'll really start to get suspicious if he starts talking about Arnold Ziffel.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Me, I'm still irritated that the old Riverside International Raceway sold out. I feel fortunate to say I've been there.

To Joel's point, some developer made plenty of money on that one, too.

Thar's gold in them thar hills!

bc

Posted by: bc | August 18, 2005 3:08 PM | Report abuse

If schadenfreude means taking pleasure from someone else's misfortune, what is achenfreude?

Posted by: Videlicet | August 18, 2005 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Achenfan: Thanks for the nice comment. As to lurking, honestly, I'm usually a little in awe of the wit, style, and feats of grammar exhibited by the usual 'boodlers (or is it 'Boodlers?), and I'm afraid whatever I have to say usually wouldn't measure up.

That, and I've drifted away a bit recently because the massive numbers of comments kind of put me off. It's rather like watching a little town you love become commercialized and overdeveloped, to return to Joel's theme.

Posted by: Nashville again | August 18, 2005 3:13 PM | Report abuse

joel - the real deal is back here at home - if you got in on the ground floor of the arlington construction!! man, they are building arlington up like no one's business!!!

and nashville - I'VE BEEN TO SANTA CLAUS LAND in indiana! when i was a little little kid! mom's got pics of me sitting on the plastic santa's lap! whoa what a flashback!!!!!

Posted by: mo | August 18, 2005 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Videlicet is back! You've been gone a long time, no?

Achenfreude? Isn't he the psychiatrist we all should be seeing?

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Videlicit! We haven't seen you lately...I don't think. Now I'm hoping that we haven't seen you so that I don't look like a jerk that just didn't notice you.

And Nashville, I choose to go with 'boodlers and Kaboodlers. So one is capitalized because it's our formal pronoun. The other is a shortened form of our pronoun, so it doesn't seem important enough to warrant a capital. At least that's how I see things. The truth is it really doesn't matter, though. We sometimes make things more complicated than they need to be.

Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2005 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Nashville:
What you have to say wouldn't measure up? I find that hard to believe! (Besides, that possibility never stops the rest of us.)

Oh, and it's either 'boodlers or Boodlers. But really, anything goes here.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 3:22 PM | Report abuse

mo, Joel's lived in DC for awhile IIRC.

I think he's probably OK on the Real Estate Value Appreciation front.

Should we start a pool to decide which 60's TV show JA can tie into this blog next?

If he's going to Japan, I'm betting McHale's Navy/Ernest Borgnine.

bc

Posted by: bc | August 18, 2005 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Yikes, F-Troop, Gilligan's Island, then Green Acres? That's a serious, serious decline in quality! Let's hope Joel doesn't slide down that precipitious slope. What's next - The Newlywed Game?

Posted by: pj | August 18, 2005 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Sara, we both seem to be thinking with the same mind today. Uncanny!

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"achenfreude" is taking pleasure from frustrating one's editors into dementia.

Sort of like Inspector Clouseau's Chief Inspector Dreyfus.

bc

Posted by: bc | August 18, 2005 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I haven't had anything to say. All my best opinions have been uttered by other bloggers! My opinions that are just taking blog form are that the modern equivalent of callipygous is bootylicious, which also sounds vaguely Greek. Also Eurymedusa was seduce-a by Zeus-a in the form of an ant, which raises the bar impossibly high for all of the other ants. And ... animadverts is an anagram of maidservant ... there is no end ...

Posted by: Videlicet | August 18, 2005 3:33 PM | Report abuse

It's almost creepy, Achenfan. It's like either you have a fourth personality in Minnesota you aren't aware of, or I have three in D.C. that I'm not aware of.

Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2005 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else noticed that the nerd in the "No Nerds" ad at the top of this page is wearing a sweater now? I don't think he was wearing a sweater before. I kind of like that nerd. Initially he looks so innocent, so eager, so hopeful -- before he gets that big red cross and circle drawn on top of him, that is.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of noticing things, has anyone else noticed that Dumbledore's hand on the cover of the latest Harry Potter book isn't withered? Who do we see about correcting this mistake? I think that the Harry Potter character Joel most resembles is Hermione, because he's interested in lots of things. My favorite character in the latest book is Narcissa, for it shows that you can be both a bigot and a loving Mom. My Mom thinks I should log off now ...

Posted by: Videlicet | August 18, 2005 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back, videlicet--

I didn't know the word, and when I looked it up, the dictionary says it's spelled "callipygian"--great word, thanks for the educational moment.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 18, 2005 3:51 PM | Report abuse

If Joel's going to Japan, he should sing this:

Here he comes
Here comes Speed Racer
He's a demon on wheels
He's a demon and he's gonna be chasin' after someone.

He's gainin' on you so you better look alive.
He's busy revvin' up a powerful Mach 5.

And when the odds are against him
And there's dangerous work to do
You bet your life Speed Racer
Will see it through.

Go Speed Racer
Go Speed Racer
Go Speed Racer, Go!

Posted by: Videlicet | August 18, 2005 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I had to look it up too, kbertocci -- ha! "having shapely buttocks"; I just love the word "buttocks." My dictionary actually gives both spellings -- callipygian and callipygous; I guess it pays to be thorough when one is talking about buttocks.

Posted by: Tom fan | August 18, 2005 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Now, if I were going to Japan, I would look up Rita Repulsa. What ever happened to her and Lord Zedd?

Posted by: Videlicet | August 18, 2005 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Linda Loomis' recollections of California of yore was very good and very moving. I'm going to give away big hints of my age: I remember orange groves in Orange County, Angel's Flight, Pacific Ocean Park, the Carousel of Progress, Jungle Land, Yosemite's Fire Falls, Santa's Village in the San Bernadino Mountains, and the City of Santa Clause, near Carpenteria. Mostly, I remember miles of open land between the Bay Area and Santa Rosa, and open beaches from Newport to Oceanside. I think I could afford a place in Needles; in a trailer park.

Posted by: CowTown | August 18, 2005 4:02 PM | Report abuse

One should be cheeky when talking about buttocks!

Posted by: Videlicet | August 18, 2005 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Videlicet, if you're coming to the Porching Hour, maybe I'll wear my "Racer X" t-shirt.

Re: callipygian and callipygous.
Great words, bad memories.

And now for something completely different...

bc

Posted by: bc | August 18, 2005 4:13 PM | Report abuse

(ahem) That's Santa Claus. The person. Not the movie.

Posted by: CowTown Revisited | August 18, 2005 4:13 PM | Report abuse

bc:
"Great words, bad memories": My how you taunt us! (Does it have anything to do with those tattoos that none of us are going to be seeing at the Porching Hour?)

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I know little of California, but I do know that Snoopy's brother Spike came from Needles. That's when Peanuts jumped the shark. Too bad Ultraman never had a theme song.

Posted by: Videlicet | August 18, 2005 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The boodle has become too hot for me to handle....

Posted by: LP | August 18, 2005 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh c'mon, LP -- you can handle it! (Or are those images of bc just too painful for you to bear? -- or should I say, bare?)

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this heated discussion will bring melvin/a/bananabanabodana/goombah/gorbydoll/gargantua/pompousass back.

Posted by: Dreamer | August 18, 2005 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Those of you wishing to wax nostalgic about old California should rent "Chinatown" with maybe a side order of "Grapes of
Wrath". I love the scene where Polanski sticks the shiv up Jack Nicholson's nose. Now, you've got to have a lot of star power and confidence to make a film with a giant bandage on your schnoz for most of the flick!

Posted by: kurosawaguy | August 18, 2005 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh! The Grapes of Wrath! I'm so thirsty that my ability to produce saliva has stopped! My throat is clicking. My cubicle has become dust filled. I need to go swimming or something now.

Posted by: Sara | August 18, 2005 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of property investment. I think all of us should form an investment kabal and purchase Kansas. It might be worth something someday.

(Let's see if there are any Kansans among the Silent Millions)

Posted by: CowTown | August 18, 2005 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking of you when kurosawaguy said that, Sara. For goodness' sake, go and drink something!

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 4:45 PM | Report abuse

on a completely different subject - has anyone seen "Aristocrats" and why is it so controverial?

Posted by: mo | August 18, 2005 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Haven't seen it, mo, and don't plan to, but I know it's controversial because it's about "the world's dirtiest joke."

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 4:55 PM | Report abuse

SCC: Unclear sentence.
The film is about the telling of "the world's dirtiest joke."

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 4:57 PM | Report abuse

ok - i'm stupid but um... what IS the world's dirtiest joke?

Posted by: mo | August 18, 2005 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Mo: From what I understand, the Aristocrats is a documentary involving a kind of sport played by amateur and professional comedians. It involves telling the same joke (a man, a woman, their young daughter, and a dog enter a talent agent's office and pitch their act...). The object of the joke is to make the hair of the listener stand up by bringing every unmentionable utterance into the joke (the "act" being presented to the talent agent). Incest, bestiality, cannibalism, boogers, poop - all are fair game. It's a gross-out game. I think I'll eventually see it - on video.

Posted by: CowTown | August 18, 2005 5:02 PM | Report abuse

My beef on real estate investment is that it requires too much money to play. Why can't real estate be like the stock market, where you'd buy property shares? Of course you'd have no say in selling (when your share is cashed out), but stock holders don't really have any say in how a company is run. You'd make your profit or loss via share appreciation, just like you do with Microsoft or IBM. These companies never (well hardly ever) pay dividends, it's all pure speculation. Anybody pay $1 for a square foot of downtown Topeka?

Posted by: Videlicet | August 18, 2005 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Consumer Alert: "Sin City" is not, I repeat, NOT a date movie. I will say no more.

Posted by: CowTown | August 18, 2005 5:08 PM | Report abuse

No, mo, you're not stupid. I didn't give you much info!
Apparently the family/the act that CowTown mentioned is called "The Aristocrats." In the film, 95 different professional comedians tell the joke. Or so I hear. I haven't seen it or anything . . .

Posted by: Achenfan | August 18, 2005 5:09 PM | Report abuse

ahhhhhhhhh ok... i can see how that would be controvertial BUT (hahaha butt) compared to south part and the farely bros? i mean, there's a lot of poop humour out there!

btw - i just found out that Gene and I went to the same college - NYU... cool!

i just rented "sin city" but haven't seen it yet... i spose i should watch it alone? should i cover my kittens eyes?

Posted by: mo | August 18, 2005 5:12 PM | Report abuse

i obviously cannot spell controversial...

Posted by: mo | August 18, 2005 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Videlicet: I really like the idea of buying a piece of Topeka. I think you could double your money ($2.00 / square foot) within ten years. Easy.

Posted by: CowTown | August 18, 2005 5:13 PM | Report abuse

What?! Sin City is absolutely a date movie! It's got adventure, romance, derring do - bruce willis! what more can you ask for?

Posted by: LP | August 18, 2005 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The real estate funds you're talking about already exist. They're called REIT's (Real Estate Investment Trusts).

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2005 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Mo: Yes, you should prepare to cover your kitten eyes. And don't eat while you're watching. The movie is a collection of dark fantasies common among adolescent males. Fortunately, most males outgrow this syndrome before they enter college. Those that don't...eventually pay six bucks for the Sin City "graphic novels" (used to be called comic books).

Posted by: CowTown | August 18, 2005 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Mo, I think it was a great flick - beautifully done, very artful. The violence isn't particularly realistic, and y'know, bruce willis is still hot. I, for one, loved every minute of it.

Posted by: LP | August 18, 2005 5:23 PM | Report abuse

My last post was unnecessarily judgmental and snobbish. I'm probably just feeling guilty because the movie secretly appealed to my inner adolescent. Guns. Scantly clab women with samari swords. Fast cars. I have to go take a shower.

Posted by: CowTown | August 18, 2005 5:25 PM | Report abuse

No problem cowtown - but what are movies for than entertainment and fantasy value?

Posted by: LP | August 18, 2005 5:28 PM | Report abuse

umm... i don't have kitten eyes - i have a kitten - who has eyes... i don't want to have him watch inappropriate movies - afterall he is an adolescent male but he's been fixed so i don't want to unnecessarily confuse him...

Posted by: mo | August 18, 2005 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Dreamer (aka T&A Fan and J---can't bear to say that about you),

Funny you should associate all those handles. I won't put up the figurative DNA to prove your point, however.

Was it something I said? Punctuation, usage or tone maybe? (Half)wit? Subject matter? In any case, I wouldn't mingle with those handled people, in public anyway.

Re heat, the group mainly tiptoes around it and its many meanings, e.g., arousal.

Somebody did dare voice "buttocks," though. A suitable ending?

If I can't feel the heat, maybe I should get out of the kitchen anyway.

Now, I must brief the press, and probably take some heat for defending the faith. Thank goodness not on CSPAN.

Posted by: melvin/a | August 18, 2005 5:39 PM | Report abuse

melvin/a

I love the way you type "arousal"


grrrrrr......

Posted by: LP | August 18, 2005 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Mo: Did I step in it or what. Sorry, I misread your message about the kitten. Prepare to cover your eyes when the weapons come out. Your kitten couldn't care less if he's been fed and there's a warm place for him to nestle next to you.

Posted by: CowTown | August 18, 2005 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to the miracle that is Google, I just read the plot summary for Sin City. Wasn't that waking up next to a dead one-night stand already done in a movie? Was it The Morning After? Anyway, the whole movie sounds perfectly dreadful to me. If I were you, mo, I'd carry that baby right back to Blockbuster and rent anything starring Cary Grant. Appropriate for you and the kitten.

Posted by: Snarky Squirrel | August 18, 2005 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Snarky Squirrel, maybe mo and the kitten would like "Bringing Up Baby" with Cary Grant, Katherine Hepburn and a coupla leopards. Fits all the needs.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | August 18, 2005 6:01 PM | Report abuse

ah... i think i'll chance sin city - i love gore! kitten is happy as long as he's fed and gnawing on my hand...

Posted by: mo | August 18, 2005 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't love gore, but I do love kittens! Given a choice of gore, I would rather watch National Geographic leopard-in-antelope gore than human-on-human gore. My two little leopards love watching their cousins on the big screen.

Posted by: Pixel | August 18, 2005 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I liked Sin City, but then I liked Miller's graphic novels to begin with.

And the movie is VERY faithful to the gn's, right down to the cinematography. No doubt that Rodriguez saved some time making the movie because there was no need to do storyboards (this is why Miller has a co-direct credit). From an artisitc perspective it's quite interesting, as LP points out. Not everybody's date movie.

You might never look at Elijah Wood the same way again (did I LOL when I found out they cast him as 'Kevin').

It's not Citizen Kane, but I enjoyed it more than 80% of the movies I've seen this year.

I'd heard "The Aristocrats" joke before, and I'm looking forward to seeing the movie.

As far as the "great words, bad memories" comment" goes, you're welcome to ask me at Porching Hour.

bc

Posted by: bc | August 18, 2005 8:09 PM | Report abuse

LP,

Thanks. That post has helped pick up the pace of name elimination. Only about a 1,000 to go. And it's easier in the light of this welding torch.

Posted by: melvin/a | August 18, 2005 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Joel, I've been thinking Riverfront on the Yangtzee River!
That's after much the same kind of why am I not snapping up some great opportunity here in America or back in my third world country where everything is still dirt cheap and a great french meal including "ostrich carpaccio" costs you two bucks -- but where there is still a great civil war that's going to happen oh - say next week! So I concluded after knowing the glutted farmer's goat cheese market in California -- the Riviera of Santa Barbara or the great cow patty of Central California is already spoken for by the mega rich that I could probably still afford the Yangtzee River! I'll see you all there on the riverside.

Posted by: celticinca | August 18, 2005 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting Achenfreude myself thinking of my time in California and Linda Loomis' recollections were great -- where at one time I could have bought a house with an Ocean View, but now I live in ARLINGTON which is in the heart of the Evil Empire. If you can Joel -- check out some of the 21 Jesuit Missions along the coast in particular the lesser knowns and there you will get a picture of some of the best Real Estate agents -- the Spanish Jesuits!

Posted by: celticinca | August 18, 2005 9:58 PM | Report abuse

At the risk of being pedantic, I guess I should have mentioned that big dramatic oxy-acetylene torches are for cutting and heating big pieces of metal, little propane torches are for soldering and brazing (a form of low temp welding, I suppose), and welding these days tends to be done with electrical arc (look, sparks!)/ inert gas welders.

Going into the differences between TIG, MIG, and Plasma welding would be pedantic even to me, so this is where I stop.

bc

Posted by: bc | August 18, 2005 10:00 PM | Report abuse

California dreamer!...
For me and my friends California it`s the place that represents the "excess" of your beloved Country. It´s America exagerated, where everything is possible.In the heads of foreigners, U.S.A. is Hollywood, the cowboys, the big cars and large highways, hamburgers and beautiful blonde girls.
But atention, i´m only refering the stereotipated vision of european middle classes. A lot of people fantasize America and build their ideia of your country through the movies they watch week after week (in the Malls of their towns). And of course, there is allways someone whit a cousin or a friend who emigrated to U.S. many years ago( purchasing the american dream, that great idea you shall allways be proud of and cultivate).
It theams to me that in the head of americans California still represents freedom, transgression and oportunities.
I`ve been in San Francisco 19 years ago when i was 10 and i still got clear memories of those 9 or 10 days(but i was a kid, anyway). I never returned to California since then(i hope i can do it in the next year), but i would love to visit all the state from north to south.It must be fantastic.Very diferent landscapes(i imagine the north whit florests and wet weather and down south very dry and sunny), the names of the places getting more and more spanish while you go down through the coast...

Posted by: paulo assis | August 19, 2005 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Paulo:

Nice perspective from "across the pond."

I live on the east coast of the U.S., and until recently had never seen the Pacific Ocean. I took my daughter to northern California a couple of years ago so we could see the Pacific and the redwood trees. We were there for 2 weeks but didn't try to tour the state--we stayed between Arcata and Crescent City. We camped out in two different state/national parks and it was unbelievably beautiful. In summer it is cool and foggy, with occasional sunny, warm days. The forests have a special presence due to the ancient trees, and there are also cliffs by the sea and mountain streams and so on. The trip was one of those "before I die" goals for me, and I am very glad I did it.

Needless to say, that northern California experience is about as far from Hollywood as you can get.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 19, 2005 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and i confess that i have a dream wich is based in the movies:driving through pacific highway in a convertible, looking to the sea,earing Tom Petty`s song "running down the dream", watching the sunset whit my arms around a californian beauty( i´m confident and secure. My girlfriend isn´t going to read this post, for sure. Anyway i would prefer to be whit her in the car). I know this dream is so predictable and very "petit bourgeois" but i can´t avoid it.
One more thing- i need your help, Achenblog "shining minds". How can i contact Joel(through email, of course)to send him something ( a product cultivated in the lands owned by my grandphaters )?What email does he have in the Post? i believe that´s a stupidity of my own but i hadn´t found yet in the site of the newspaper his contact...
A great friday for all of you!
Paulo Assis

Posted by: paulo assis | August 19, 2005 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Joel's email is achenbachj@washpost.com--I know that the SAO-15 will agree that it is pathetic that I have it memorized.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 19, 2005 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Paulo, if you do get back to California, I recommend going up to Yosemite National Park for scenery far more stunning than any California Blonde!

Posted by: Pixel | August 19, 2005 9:05 AM | Report abuse

kbertocci, isn't that the format for almost all WaPost writers, though? So it's not that pathetic. It's like my office. Everyone has the same e-mail format. All you need to know is the first letter of the first name and the full last name and you're good to go. So, if you think about it, because we know Joel's name we all know his e-mail address.

Posted by: Sara | August 19, 2005 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Thank you very much Kbertocci.I believe you had fantastic days whit your daughter in northern california (glad to know that you have a children. We want to have one soon as we marry.Sometimes we get too much focused in our careers.it had taken some time to understand and feel that there are things much more important).
The last time i´ve been in your country was 15 years ago (in Rhode Island).I was a teenager. I want to return there as soon as possible.I prefer the East coast(in the fall, when the trees start to get naked and colours are intense, specially in the sunset).
By the way, your description of northern California is not far from what i imagine.We have a friend who lives in Eugene-Or.He sometimes visit us or even send some photos that match whit your description.I´m sure it shall be a place to go "before i die"(as you say).
I wooul like to recommend you one or two "dreaming" places where i´ve been in future posts.
Until then have a great weekend or summer holidays(you and your beloved ones) thanks again

Posted by: paulo assis | August 19, 2005 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I also have friends in Eugene, OR! David and Jane Kamrat--they have an organization called JAM & All--"JAM" stands for "Jews and Muslims"--it's for people to get together despite religious and cultural differences, become friends and hopefully contribute to world peace at least in a small way. We have the same organization here in Florida, and I have been attending their meetings for about 3 years.

http://jamandall.org/

Posted by: kbertocci | August 19, 2005 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Cowtown writes: "I remember orange groves in Orange County, Angel's Flight, Pacific Ocean Park, the Carousel of Progress, Jungle Land, Yosemite's Fire Falls, Santa's Village in the San Bernadino Mountains, and the City of Santa Clause, near Carpenteria. Mostly, I remember miles of open land between the Bay Area and Santa Rosa, and open beaches from Newport to Oceanside."

Cowtown,
I would guess you to be a decade to a dozen years older than I. I remember when the Irvine Ranch was mostly (undeveloped) foothills, I remember the General Electric Carousel of Progress at Disneyland (Remember how the last scene ended with Three Dog Night's "Joy to the World?" Several people were crushed over the years in the walls when the theater floor revolved. Did you know that Elias Disney was a carpenter and furniture maker at the Chicago Columbian Exposition/World's Fair in the early 1890s? His tales of the "White City" inspired his young son Walt.) I don't remember Santa Claus Village near Carpenteria, but I have pictures of my sister and me as toddlers at Carpenteria when there was nary a soul on the beach.

As for the Yosemite Firefalls, I bought a "memorial" T-shirt the last time I was in Yosemite some years ago that commemorates the dates the firefalls occurred: 1872-1968. This has special meaning for me since my great-aunt, a singer/performer who attended some early parties in Hollywood that Charlie Chaplin also attended, was a singer at the Ahwahnee Hotel and performed as the fire and embers were pushed over the heights of Glacier Point. I do very vaguely remember others mentioning POP.

As for kurosawaguy's suggestion that we view Polanski's film, "Chinatown," it's so much nicer just to have dinner with the director. I was dining late two nights in a row at a nice restaurant near the Gstaadt (Switzerland) train station, and for those two nights Roman Polanski joined me at my table. At the conclusion of the second evening, the maitre'd tipped me off (since I was staying for the week with a local family in their chalet) that I had been dining with the famous and notorious film director.

Posted by: Linda Loomis | August 19, 2005 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I love Linda's stories. These things would only happen to her.

Posted by: Sara | August 19, 2005 10:17 AM | Report abuse

And did Polanski call you "Kitty cat"?

Posted by: kurosawaguy | August 19, 2005 10:18 AM | Report abuse

The greenies among us will love this: The Yosemite Fire Falls were simply piles of dry wood dumped in a traversing line carved from an alluvian fan starting at Glacier Point, 2,000 feet above Yosemite Valley, and winding down to the valley floor. The Forest Service (!) would set fire to the wood at twilight, and all the families camping in the Valley would enjoy the spectacle. Hard to imagine such foolishness today. I was but a wee lad then, but I still remember the brilliant zig-zagging "falls" of flame.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 10:34 AM | Report abuse

i loved Sin City!! it wasn't gory at all! and it was wonderfully shot! i loved the elias wood character, so outta "character" for him! and kitten wasn't the slightest bit interested - he was too busy gnawing on my hand.

as for california - i lived in hollywood for 5 years - maybe that's why i'm not crazy about cali cuz yes, it is the den of corruption. there are some great things about it, i loved hiking in the hollywood hills, but if you are in the entertainment industry it sux!! but there are certainly beautiful parts of cali - i went camping in the high desert - it's like 20 degrees at night and 85 during the day! and joshua tree park is AMAZING! they say that there's some sort of energy collection there and you feel it! tho it could just be psycosymatic (sp?)

Posted by: mo | August 19, 2005 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Mo

My next question was going to be how you liked Sin City. I thought it was interesting, but still not a date movie. At least not the first date. A strange but fun "second date" movie would be "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe," a not-so-faithful-to-the-book adaptation of the Douglas Adams series that had a little romantic triangle going. Fun movie.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm just waiting for some jackass to say "I belive you mean 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.'"

Doh! That jackass was me! (Apologies to my fellow jackasses who also noticed CowTown's egregious error.)

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I thought you'd like sin city mo. It's definitly one of my favorites.


Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy was definitly a cute movie. Interestingly, Douglas Adams did write a good portion of that screenplay before he passed away, and most of the bigger deviations from the text versions were his own. The Hitchhikers' serires were originally radio shows, and the way the story lines vary from medium to medium is definitly one of its charms.

Posted by: LP | August 19, 2005 11:08 AM | Report abuse

cowtown - it depends on who that first date is - if it's a blind date then maybe not the best first date movie - but if you both are into dark movies or cinematography then yeah, sure, why not!

I missed the Hitchhiker's guide! i loved the book - guess i'll hafta wait till DVD...

Posted by: mo | August 19, 2005 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I stand corrected. No, I prostrate myself and beg forgiveness. Thank you for correcting me.

Your humble servant.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Just hold still while I get you with this here branding iron and we'll call it even, CowTown.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 11:14 AM | Report abuse

kurosawaguy:

I met Roman Polanski in May '73, the same month I turned 22, when I was a pretty, young, blonde creature--so that gives away my age--not that I haven't given it away before. I was attending the Rotary International Convention in Geneva, I think it was--and there was no lodging for miles around, hence the stay with another student's (from the Akademie der bildenen Kunst in Stuttgart) parents in Gstaad.

I do remember that Polanski was bright and charming and his "girlfriend" came to fetch him away from my table both nights that I was dining. I remember more specifically the maitre'd's comments, warning me away from him. I won't go into any more detail, as I found Polanski's warmth and friendliness to be most welcome after almost a year in Europe and two long days making my way down and back up the mountains.

Besides, today is my 20th wedding anniversary, my husband took the day off, and we're heading out for a drive and tourist play. Hopefully, we'll find a nice, cool swimming hole! And dinner at one of the most romantic restaurants in town!

Posted by: Linda Loomis | August 19, 2005 11:17 AM | Report abuse

As much as I loved the "Hitchhiker's" books and enjoyed the BBC TV series, I never did manage to get to the theater to see this version. Oh, well, the DVD should be out by Xmas.

I'd mention that I met Douglas Adams once (quite the charming dude, too), but I suspect that Linda L. will causally mention that he would regularly stay at her house when he was in Californa.

bc

Posted by: bc | August 19, 2005 11:22 AM | Report abuse

SCC entry: "California".

bc

Posted by: bc | August 19, 2005 11:23 AM | Report abuse

In case anyone missed Douglas Adams' radio shows (like me), try to get one of his Hitchhikers books on tape. He did the reading for many of them and really brought out the humor.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down.

Posted by: speakingofdeath | August 19, 2005 11:28 AM | Report abuse

A variant of "Time is merely nature's way of keeping everthing from happening all at once."

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Well, well, well -- look who's here again.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Another way of looking at it:
Time is nature's way of letting us think everything isn't happening at once.

Posted by: Dreamer | August 19, 2005 11:34 AM | Report abuse

hurry up, I'm not dead yet.

Posted by: omnigoof | August 19, 2005 11:35 AM | Report abuse

So in 1973 Polanski would have had Sharon Tate and Charlie Manson in the rear view mirror and "Chinatown" and statutory rape still to come. Probably not a bad time to meet the guy. If any of you want to see Tate and Polanski in happier days, seek out "The Fearless Vampire Killers". Highlights are: Jewish vampire, gay vampire, Tate in the bathtub scene. Incidentally, the Kitty cat line is from the scene in "Chinatown" where Polanski tells Nicholson that curiousity killed the cat, calls him Kitty cat and cuts his nose in half with a switchblade. Ouch!

Posted by: kurosawaguy | August 19, 2005 11:36 AM | Report abuse

And unconsciousness is nature's way of making us think nothing is happening at all,and...

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Friends, I am heading to the desert and thus there will be no new Kit today. On the road it has been hard to keep up with the Kaboodle, and when I do glance at it I can't quite figure out what people are talking about. I've been...left behind...Which brings up the big news, which is that the Sunday column is about the blog, and the Kaboodle gets a prominent mention, specifically the way the Kaboodle ignores me. But it's all good. No specific boodlers get mentioned, however. Maybe next time. Now everyone behave.

Posted by: Achenbach | August 19, 2005 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I was going to mention the BBC version bc, but I thought it would make me look like too much of a geek. The movie was like what the BBC version would have been if they had, y'know, a budget.

Posted by: LP | August 19, 2005 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Master Achenbach

We will obey.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I hope you or Tom or someone will post the column about the Kit on the blog as a Kit. (Sweet Vishnu! I've started talking in tongues!)

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Do you think Joel's going to Vegas, maybe?

Posted by: LP | August 19, 2005 11:47 AM | Report abuse

SCC: I meant the column about the blog, not the column about the Kit. Sounds like the column is about the whole Kit and Kaboodle.

(And look, 'boodlers -- it looks like Joel is still talking to us! Maybe he's forgiven us for the Boodle Gone Bad?)

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 11:54 AM | Report abuse

If 'master' A get much respect, and even, how say, vicarious thril, does arouse anything else? [learn arouse yesterday on blog}

Posted by: gorbydoll | August 19, 2005 11:55 AM | Report abuse

No, he's going to the abadoned horizontal mine shafts near Mojave. He will sit in the still darkness and contemplate the meaning of existance. He will emerge purified and ready to lead his flock into a higher level of consciousness. Soon, we his Beloved Boodlers (as disciples of Joel will be known) will be hanging out on street corners wearing white smocks and handing out bizarre tracts extolling the existential virtues of tectonic movement and the Irony of Coincidences.

Come join us. It's good.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Something tell me you know "arouse" already, gorbydoll.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 11:57 AM | Report abuse

once knew a girl named arouse. still can't get over her.

Posted by: goombah2 | August 19, 2005 12:00 PM | Report abuse

That doesn't surprise me at all, goombah2.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Achenfan-----------maybe got da name wrong. In Bklyn, arouse is a rose. Whateverher name was she was grreat .

Posted by: goombah2 | August 19, 2005 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Now, getting back to the price of real estate in California, we take you now to our correspondant in Oxnard...

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 12:07 PM | Report abuse

To Cowe Town--

Stop and smell the roses. Subject was just getting intresting, even for me. Me me me!

Posted by: bananabanabodana | August 19, 2005 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, CowTown.

------------

Sorry, we appear to be having technical difficulties. Hopefully we will be able to bring you that story a little later in the broadcast.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 12:11 PM | Report abuse

joel doesn't know what we are talking about! but didn't he say the 'boodle should have a life of it's own? i look forward to the article!!!!

Posted by: mo | August 19, 2005 12:19 PM | Report abuse

If the man knew what we talk about sometime, he'd take some aspirin--the whole bottle.

It would be interesting to plot the degradation/deflection/diversion from his "kit" as you call it--how many minutes, how many comments, how many comment words to get completely off his topic. And in scope of 24 hours, how much blogging concerns his topics. Some topics degrade more than others. Why?

Sorry to be excessively analytical. This is a topic worthy of the National Security Agency, or, your keeper, Ms. Fananabanabodana.

Posted by: bananabanabodana | August 19, 2005 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Ah, bananabanabodanadanabanadanabono -- HELP! I CAN'T STOP! -- those are excellent questions for research. I foresee scholarly articles being written about the nature of the Kaboodle. I'm just not sure what journal would be appropriate... Perhaps some mental health periodical?

Is it too early for a martini?

Posted by: Snarky Squirrel | August 19, 2005 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Fananabanabodana

I think this sounds like a perfect topic for a master's thesis. I'd be happy to edit your paper.

Now, back to you, Achenfan.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Not too early. Drink two and call me in the morning.

As for publication, try the Journal of Concussive Bulemia Studies. Something's always coming up with them and they like new material.

I need a drink too. "I had too much to dream last night,"--the first line of the R&R classic Tossing and Turning. I love those old songs my parents listened to.

Posted by: b'dana | August 19, 2005 12:40 PM | Report abuse

the blog stress analyzer that I found lying in the street has detected that the person with two names ending in "fan" and one ending in "ss" has generated a fourth personality. That personality is: Snarky Squirrel.

Posted by: thumbolina | August 19, 2005 12:44 PM | Report abuse

It's always Martini Time somewhere.

Posted by: LP | August 19, 2005 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Hiya kids. remember me? Fats? Now Corky's gonna be creeped out all over again.

Posted by: Me-ME-MEEEEEE!!! | August 19, 2005 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Let me clear something up, thumbolina:
My Achenfan handle IS the jackass -- there is no fourth persona CALLED "Jackass." I am not Snarky Squirrel. Snarky Squirrel is grtc, I believe. (Is that right, g? Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

Better throw that blog stress analyzer away. Or maybe sell it to melvin/a.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I have not been "generated" by anyone; I'm my own squirrel, thank you very much.

Posted by: Snarky Squirrel | August 19, 2005 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Ooh, sorry, Snarky -- of course you are. Didn't mean to offend you. Buds?

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 1:00 PM | Report abuse

And yes, Achenfan, I am the snarky squirrel. Oddly enough, something about this Boodle has caused my personality to split. Another scholarly article in the making: the relationship between boodling and multiple personality disorder. For the Journal of Abnormal Computing.

Posted by: grtc | August 19, 2005 1:04 PM | Report abuse

No, no, you didn't offend me -- that "my own squirrel" post was directed at thumbelina or whatever that name was that I'm too lazy to scroll up and look at. We are always buds, Achenfan.

Posted by: Snarky Squirrel | August 19, 2005 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Pheew! What a relief, Snarky. I'd never want to be on the wrong side of a snarky squirrel.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we left Joel behind nearly as much when he was blogging regularly and giving us something to talk about. Not that I am being critical here, but an achenaddict in need of a fix is in need of a fix.

Mea Culpa, Master.

I have to wonder if when he said ok to blogging he and any idea we would be so demanding.

Posted by: dr | August 19, 2005 1:12 PM | Report abuse

B'dana

Took me a minute, but I got it. Concussive bulemia. Somethings always coming up with them. Goodness gracious.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Always stimulating to stop in here.

Looks like some of you are really aroused about some things. Water is sloshing over the sides of the figurative hot tub of life.

Now, I must brief the (largely AWOL) press.

Posted by: melvin/a | August 19, 2005 1:41 PM | Report abuse

There you go again, melvin/a.

Such a tease...

Posted by: LP | August 19, 2005 1:47 PM | Report abuse

This Just In: The average price of a home in Victorville, CA, is $127,000 plus change. Just staying tethered to the Kit. Carry on.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 1:49 PM | Report abuse

OK, if Joel is writing about the blog and not mentioning any individual bloggers, that leads right into my current obsession with the "swarm" or the "hive" mentality. The background for this idea is, you know, one termite is a mighty stupid animal, can't do anything. Two termites are not much better. And so on until they reach a critical mass at some point and they just coalesce into an intelligence that knows how to build termite mounds. Bees, likewise. People have the capacity for that sort of hive-mind activity, too. (To wit: "Two heads are better than one.") [Committees may be an exception.] There is such a thing as a "mob mentality," which is the dark side of the hive mind.

ANYWAY, the point I'm leading to--I know, you are all way ahead of me here--is that the A-blog is a collective intelligence of sorts. Together we know so much!! and somehow we are driven, led, something makes us want to share with each other.

The one real insight I have derived from this train of thought is this: you know when you see ants, and they are going in two directions along an ant-path? Everytime one ant passes another they touch antennae and pass information along. Apparently, they are telling each other where the food is, for instance. After my Achenblog experience, I now believe that most of the time, what the ants are saying to each other is the ant equivalent of "I'm so glad you're here!" or "Keep up the good work!" or some other generic encouragement, and that is what accounts for the ants' dedication to that ant highway.

Believe it or not, this is an abridged version of this "thought."

BTW, Tom fan, give me some encouragement about putting the period inside the parentheses in cases like the above. I try to do it, but I hate doing it.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 19, 2005 1:56 PM | Report abuse

With that thought, the figurative hot tub has become as clear as glass.

I must limp along to the end of the work day, unless something more stimulating comes up.

Now, I must brief one airheaded anchor.

Posted by: melvin/a | August 19, 2005 1:59 PM | Report abuse

aren't you the clown who referred to "upstanding members" of this blog?

Posted by: b'dana | August 19, 2005 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes, you were correct to put the period inside the parentheses, kbertocci. However, if the material contained in the parentheses had not been a complete sentence, the period would have gone outside, as in the following example:

I'm disappointed that there will be no Kit today (although at least I might be able to get some work done).

An inside-the-parentheses version of this statement would be:

I'm disappointed that there is no Kit today. (However, at least I might be able to get some work done.)

[By the way, I enjoyed your "thought."]

Posted by: Tom fan | August 19, 2005 2:06 PM | Report abuse

VacaVille, how much is an average home in your home town?

LP, I'm just as big a geek as you are. Don't be ashamed of it - you're not the only one.

None of us are.

bc

Posted by: bc | August 19, 2005 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh, melvin/a. At least my multiple personalities don't actually SPEAK to each other; that would be just too weird.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, bc. At least I have company here.

Posted by: LP | August 19, 2005 2:12 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with me (*insert self-castigating exclamation here*) I didn't mean "parentheses"--I meant "quotation marks." Even if it isn't a complete sentence, even if it's just one word--the period still goes inside; it's so irritating.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 19, 2005 2:12 PM | Report abuse

None of us IS ashamed of being a geek, or a grammar phreak for that matter...

Posted by: kbertocci | August 19, 2005 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm has entertained as you are,A'fan. Can you document your surmise, or is the jackass in you (your admission) coming out? Seriously, now.

Posted by: melvin/a | August 19, 2005 2:16 PM | Report abuse

...and if we are not ashamed, then why aren't "we" using our names? Lots of casual commenters posted their full names with their comments, just as they would have if they were writing a letter to the editor. Linda Loomis does. What's up with that?

Posted by: kbertocci | August 19, 2005 2:18 PM | Report abuse

kbertocci:
The "mob mentality" you mention reminds me of the T-shirt slogan "Never Underestimate the Stupidity of People in Large Groups." (Or is it "Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups"? I guess both variations work.)

I like to think we're experiencing the opposite effect here in our large group, just as you said in your "thought." (I'm sure some would disagree, though -- they'd say I had it right the first time, with the T-shirt quote.)

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Well, kbertocci, we wouldn't have as much fun guessing one another's genders and such if folks just had our real names.


OR, instead of using our real names we could all change our handles to be like characters in clue. Colonel Mustard, Mrs. Peacock, etc.

Posted by: LP | August 19, 2005 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Ah, kbert. poses about the most penetrating question ever asked in my short time here.

My answer: if I identified myself, it would affect how I make my living eventually. And it's a permissible kind of secretiveness when everything else in life seems to have to be transparent. We can act up or flame out without being crucified in the RW. Unless Ms. Fan has broken the code.

On a more humorous note, I caught a colleague today trying to configure my desk top so that whatever was on my screen would be duplicated real time on the biggest flat screen monitor you have ever seen on the frosted glass wall of my office. Can you imagine broadcasting our conversations to our colleagues unknowingly?

Posted by: melvin/a | August 19, 2005 2:27 PM | Report abuse

kbertocci:
You're right, periods go inside the quotation marks, too ("by convention," as we say in the biz). So do commas. However, colons and semicolons go outside the quotation marks.

Re. posting our real names with our comments, the main thing that stops me is the possibility that one day I'll be applying for a job or something and someone will Google me and find all this stuff. Taken out of context, some of these comments could be deadly. For example, what if the first thing to be uncovered by the search was my "buttocks" comment from yesterday? Also, the frequency of my comments wouldn't do much to sell a future employer on my work ethic. But maybe I'm just being an over-cautious geek.

Posted by: Tom fan | August 19, 2005 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I prefer the British way where periods go inside the quote only if it is part of the quote, otherwise put the period outside. Just seems logical to me.

Posted by: omnigeek | August 19, 2005 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Tom fan,

We are probably in different fields, but as a hiring manager, I would not let your "buttocks" get in the way of a good hire.

Posted by: b'dana | August 19, 2005 2:35 PM | Report abuse

LP, you and I are on a very narrow wavelength this week. I watched the movie version of 'Clue' Wed. evening.

I has proposed awhile back the idea that The Fabric of Reality is at least 50% Stupidity: Wash on Heavy Cycle/warm water, hang to dry. Cool irony if required. Hecho en China.

bc

Posted by: bc | August 19, 2005 2:37 PM | Report abuse

melvin/a:
I think what you're asking me is, how do I know these people are all you? Although I'll never really know for sure, the things that made me suspicious were your frequent use of certain words and phrases (e.g., jackass, arousal, and blog stress analyzer), your interest in certain topics (which I won't elaborate on), your good recollection of comments made by your alleged alter-egos without a corresponding recollection of comments made by other posters, the fact that all these alter-egos always seem to be around at the same time, your wit, and, last but not least, your sensitivity and vulnerability. Your personality shines through in all your posts, melvin/a. You may disguise it in various ways, but it is still there.

I think maybe Ms. Fan has indeed broken the code, no? (That's another term your personas all use -- Ms. Fan.)

You'll probably tell me I'm wrong either way. Something tells me that if you told me the truth, you'd have to kill me.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Excellent bc.

I wanna be Miss Lilac.

Posted by: LP | August 19, 2005 2:48 PM | Report abuse

omnigeek:
You're right -- it's more logical for the period or comma to go outside the quotation marks when it's not part of the quote. The problem is, that just looks weird:

Exhibit A: ",
Exhibit B: ".

It looks like the comma/period is about to "run away." That's why, in America, commas and periods go inside the quotation marks "by convention." (I think there's an additional reason, besides "looks weird" -- something to do with the old printing presses -- but I can't think of it right now. Pat the Perfect would know for sure. Or Tom. THE Tom.)

Posted by: Tom fan | August 19, 2005 2:52 PM | Report abuse

With the candlestick.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Uh, that's candelabra. Sorry.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 2:54 PM | Report abuse

In the library....

Posted by: LP | August 19, 2005 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Update: Average home price in Lodi, CA is $270,000.00. Q&A at 11:00.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Coming up: Could your new home be making you sick?

[Answer: No, but you'll need to watch the entire broadcast before you find that out.]

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Fan,

I am reminded of the denouement of the great Charlie Chan movies. Wonderful detective work.

There are a couple of interlopers who have escaped your gaze, but you'll get them in the end, I am sure.

But before the police take me away, if I could tell you where I work, I'd want to see if we could lure you on board to help connect the dots, as well as sow disabling disinformation and minsinformation. You'd be great.

With admiration, I am

melvin/a

Posted by: melvin/a | August 19, 2005 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, melvin/a -- I'm touched. As for the couple of interlopers who have escaped my gaze, I am aware of them. The list I provided earlier was not an exhaustive list, just a good representation of the phenomenon that is melvin/a. You still have those unnamed interlopers up your sleeve should you need them.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Tom Fan, I agree with you that were your "buttocks" to be uncovered, it might be distracting to any potential employer.

...I wrote another three paragraphs along these lines. Yes, it got far worse. And I giggled like a 10 year old.

SCC entry: self edited.

bc

Posted by: bc | August 19, 2005 3:12 PM | Report abuse

you guys suck. badly.

Posted by: choke on it | August 19, 2005 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha, bc! Would you believe that the humor in my uncovered buttocks remark was unintentional? Thank you for, er, uncovering it. Some editor I am! (I was once told that, to be a good editor, one must have a sense of humor and a dirty mind.)

I am enjoying the idea of you giggling like a ten-year-old. What to do think, LP?

Posted by: Tom fan | August 19, 2005 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Gee, I wonder who "choke on it" is -- NOT!

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I now must go to a land that is far, far away.

I have temporarily drained the figurative hot tub of life.

So while it does not look like I will show my face(s)on Tuesday, we're having it staked out. Look for one or two large men wearing purple burkas over business suits. And don't talk to them.

Posted by: melvin/a | August 19, 2005 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Found this on the internet:

And just why, you may ask, do they belong there? Well, it seems to be the result of historical accident. When type was handset, a period or comma outside of quotation marks at the end of a sentence tended to get knocked out of position, so the printers tucked the little devils inside the quotation marks to keep them safe and out of trouble. But apparently only American printers were more attached to convenience than logic, since British printers continued to risk the misalignment of their periods and commas.

Let's just say I'm more logical than conventional. And to heck with an illogical convention that no longer has a reason to be.

Posted by: omnigeek | August 19, 2005 3:28 PM | Report abuse

That last paragraph was me again, not part of what I found.

Posted by: omnigeek | August 19, 2005 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The barbed arrow launched by Choke On It finds its mark. I fall to the ground, mortally wounded. Children scream and run. Women lament.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for tracking that down, omnigeek!

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I just think it looks tidier when the commas and periods are tucked away inside the quotation marks.

I hope our difference of opinion on this very important matter will not adversely affect our 'boodle relationship?

Posted by: Tom fan | August 19, 2005 3:32 PM | Report abuse

*lamenting lamenting*

Posted by: mo | August 19, 2005 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I feel guilty, like I'm doing something, wrong when I quote something in part, and the part I'm quoting doesn't have a period, to put the period inside the quote.

That would be illogical.

Posted by: omnigeek | August 19, 2005 3:37 PM | Report abuse

ms. fan - i'm with you as to using proper names - a co-worker said that when he was on match.com he'd google the handle of the perspective date to see if he got any hits - amazingly enough most pple use the same handle for numerous things and he'd get some WEIRD hits! and he'd know not to date said person...(thanks to whomever told me to remember how to spell weird by WE are weird - now i can't forget that! see - you DO learn something from the boodle! i'll never spell weird wrong again!)

Posted by: mo | August 19, 2005 3:38 PM | Report abuse

put a lid on it, please?

Posted by: comehither | August 19, 2005 3:39 PM | Report abuse

yeah. get you some.

Posted by: choke on it | August 19, 2005 3:39 PM | Report abuse

My second paragraph was addressing your third.

The second time I've felt the need to clarify myself today. My excuse: 5 hours sleep (and little bit hungover this AM).

Posted by: omnigeek | August 19, 2005 3:40 PM | Report abuse

pretty please put a lid on it?

Posted by: comethither | August 19, 2005 3:41 PM | Report abuse

See, omni, that's what I was talking about. I know it's "correct" to put the punctuation inside, because I learned that in school. So on the SAT you do it to get the high score (!) and in life you do it, why? to be an example to the lower scorers, to educate and edify, to maintain your self-esteem (?)

I do it "correctly," most of the time, and when I do it "wrong," it's conscious, and it's because I am feeling rebellious. If I were in charge of Everything, it would be as you and the Brits say, omni.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 19, 2005 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I can't stand all this punc. talk. I'm going to grepse............

Posted by: comehither | August 19, 2005 3:43 PM | Report abuse

mo,

That weird advice was from Tom fan to me from the blog titled "The Nightmare of the Wrong Book".

Glad it works for as well as me. I feel smarter. Once again thanks Tom fan.

Posted by: omnigeek | August 19, 2005 3:47 PM | Report abuse

SCC entry: works for you as well

Posted by: omnigeek | August 19, 2005 3:47 PM | Report abuse

aaaaaaarrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted by: comehither | August 19, 2005 3:47 PM | Report abuse

mo:
That is so funny about people using the same handle for numerous things! People just don't think things through, do they?

And that was me who said "we are weird" -- glad you found it useful!

comehither:
Don't you have some press briefing to do?

Posted by: Tom fan | August 19, 2005 3:48 PM | Report abuse

who you calling a punc.

Posted by: omnibad | August 19, 2005 3:48 PM | Report abuse

and what the heck is grespe

Posted by: omnibad | August 19, 2005 3:49 PM | Report abuse

and what the heck is grespe

Posted by: omnibad | August 19, 2005 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Here's what the NYTimes is saying about real estate investments (short version: the stock market is a better investment than real estate.) This is the #1 most emailed article on their website today.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/realestate/19real.html?ex=1124596800&en=18e3b0e4162fd104&ei=5070

See, sometimes we (I) are (am) on topic!

Sorry to anyone who was gagging on the punctuation comments. However, I would add, if you were gagging on the punctuation comments, you should take a hint and find another blog, because on A-blog, this topic could arise at any instant, and I doubt if that will change anytime soon.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 19, 2005 3:50 PM | Report abuse

My first double post. ack

Posted by: omnibadbad | August 19, 2005 3:50 PM | Report abuse

omnigeek:
I admire your ability to stick with your principles, as in "Wrong Book"," above. (Now THAT looks we are weird -- a quotation mark, then a comma, then another quotation mark. Maybe that's the emoticon for pulling a face at someone?)

","

Posted by: Tom fan | August 19, 2005 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Comehither:

This is a self-service blog site. That means, if you don't like the way the thread is going, introduce a new topic. Today's putative topic is California Real Estate. Thank you, kbertuocci, for your recent contribution. But, we can talk about lots of things. Space travel. Coincidences. Proper punctuation. We Boodlers can turn on a dime.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 3:55 PM | Report abuse

It's grepse. It's yiddish for "to vomit."

Posted by: comehither | August 19, 2005 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Public Service Announcement:

comehither is melvin/a. So is choking on it. So is bananbanabodana, gorbydoll, pompousass, gargantua, all the goombahs, and various others. You are playing right into his hands.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I shoulda googled, I just lost a point or two in my geekdom rating.

Posted by: omnigeekle | August 19, 2005 4:01 PM | Report abuse

SCC:
bananabanabodana, not bananbanabodana.
Note: This individual also goes by the name of b'dana.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Uh hum, so THAT's why he/she keeps saying he/she's got to leave now. It all comes clear.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Awwww, Achenfan, those of us lurking in the shadows that sort of knew that, were having so much fun watching how much patience you all have, and how polite you can be.

Posted by: RA | August 19, 2005 4:04 PM | Report abuse

and since the only yiddish I know is putz my yiddish rating was 1, but I mispelled grepse in my post so I now have a yiddish rating of zero.

Posted by: omnigoof | August 19, 2005 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Tom fan: Even unintentionally, you're funny.

I giggle when I attempt to stifle my normal (and rather loud) laughter.

Good Point about English: It's flexible.
Bad Point about English: Rules may not be as fixed as they appear at first glance.

bc

Posted by: bc | August 19, 2005 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Well not clear enough. He, or she, is probably a good soul. Just a little too
mirthful.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 4:06 PM | Report abuse

ack, that was my double post. Yiddish rating:-1.

(almost mispelled yiddish, whew)

Posted by: omnigoof | August 19, 2005 4:08 PM | Report abuse

signing off for the weekend. All boodlers have a good one.

Posted by: omni* | August 19, 2005 4:10 PM | Report abuse

You all are chasing your tails. Leave it alone.

Posted by: Intelligent Designer | August 19, 2005 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for calling us polite, RA, but we weren't so polite when the same sort of thing happened last week. (See the August 12 comments under the Kit "Joel-Be-Gone" -- if you dare.)

[Attention fans of putting the period outside the quotation marks: Note how I structured the sentence above to avoid putting a period directly after the "Joel-Be-Gone" quotation -- and I avoided it again just now! We really can all get along.]

Posted by: Tom fan | August 19, 2005 4:13 PM | Report abuse

The "Achenfan" who said "Well not clear enough" above is not me.
Sigh. I just knew that was going to happen eventually. I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.

Yes, you are a good soul, melvin/a.

Posted by: The REAL Achenfan | August 19, 2005 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh, yes, you are very polite compared to some of the brutes in the world. Just, please don't talk more about punctuation. It was a sore subject in school. But I realize I am only a visitor and will do what you say. You say, "Jump," and I say gfy.

Posted by: comehither | August 19, 2005 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Tomfan;

I was there, I just wasn't ABOUT to get in the middle of that one. Wow!

And with regard to todays 'boodle, Eats Shoots and Leaves doesn't hold a candle to you folks. Where has Pat The Perfect been?

Have a great weekend everyone. Sorry us Midwesterners can't join you on Tuesday.

By the way, does anyone know the current name of the resturant across the street from the Capitol South Metro? It used to be The Loyal Opposition, but that was a few years ago.

Posted by: RA | August 19, 2005 4:20 PM | Report abuse

respectfully, you may mean "...is not I."

Does RA stand for REAL Achenfan?

Posted by: comehither | August 19, 2005 4:20 PM | Report abuse

comehither you contradict yourself

omnigood

Posted by: really I've left already | August 19, 2005 4:20 PM | Report abuse

OK, comehither, it's a deal. If you stop using my handle, we'll stop talking about punctuation.

[ATTENTION BOODLERS: If an "Achenfan" ever says anything that offends you (more than usual, that is), please know that it isn't me, it's an imposter.]

Posted by: Achen- and Tom fan | August 19, 2005 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Problem is--I didn't use your handle. I just got here, but the tension is as thick as a dead cow left out in the sun. Don't worry about my using your handle.

Posted by: comehither | August 19, 2005 4:26 PM | Report abuse

No, RA does not stand for REAL Achenfan. At least, not REAL Achenfan in the sense that I'm using it. (I guess I should let RA tell you what RA stands for, if RA feels so inclined.)

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 4:26 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect, the first two sentences are gibberish, but I know your intentions must be good. So, okay, fine. I'm gonna make myself scarce until sundown.

Posted by: comehither | August 19, 2005 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Comehither,

For you, It's RA, as in the Sun God.

And I have an occational imposter using that handle as well. I'm part of the "no offense" group.

Posted by: RA | August 19, 2005 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Now look what you've all done. You've made Ms. Achenfan crazy. You should be ashamed. That corner, it's for YOU.

Achenfan-fan

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, RA. I have the uptmost respect and admiration for Egyptian culture. I hope to visit the pyramids and Alexandria some day. I'm not that far away, actually.

Posted by: comehither | August 19, 2005 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Well said. Thanks. Pray for peace, now.

Posted by: Intelligent Designer | August 19, 2005 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that's really RA. This is getting kind of annoying. I blame myself. I hope melvin/a is getting something out of it, at least. If he wanted to spoil our fun, he's achieved his goal. Congrats, melvin/a -- you win.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for going toe-to-toe against the nefarious interlopers, Achenfan. I tend to take the "ignore them and they'll get tired and go away" tactic, but yours is more fun to read. If they really are all (or mostly) Melvin/a, then I'm amazed because Melvin/a was starting to really endear himself to me in his kinder, gentler personna of late. Oh well. Still love 'ya, Melvin/a - just struggling with some of the others.

Posted by: bostonreader | August 19, 2005 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Can you blame everything on him/her? (Can't tell, actually, what gender this person is.) Don't blame yourself, and your fun is not spoiled. I like the way you watch over things.

Posted by: Ms. Smith | August 19, 2005 4:43 PM | Report abuse

i...am...in...hell... clearly this must be hell! i have to be here (work) for 1 hour and 15 min more! it's raining, it's friday afternoon, it's deader-en-a-doornail and the boodle is up in arms... shoot me!

Posted by: mo | August 19, 2005 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I think I may have REALLY GOOFED!

I've been watching the 'boodle for many months and have not seen my handle used. I thought it was a safe one.

I will allow the "15" to guide me in a more appropriate handle if I have inadvertantly taken someone else's persona. Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa.

Especially you Achenfan, you're one of my favorite.

Posted by: RA (2??) | August 19, 2005 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, bostonreader; I like melvin/a too. I was looking forward to meeting him at the Porching Hour. (Still not sure if he's going to be there.) I wonder why he feels the need to do this? Maybe it's that fear-of-intimacy thing I'm always hearing about -- having these extra personas means he can always keep us at a distance. (But what do I know? I'm no psychologist.)

And Ms. Smith: Thank you.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I think, dear RA, that she means in various activities that the Google worm might crawl into. So if you google the person, his/her name comes up in a variety of public web venues. Don't think she meant another RA here on this site. Just trying to help.

Posted by: comehither | August 19, 2005 4:52 PM | Report abuse

mo: I feel your pain. I was supposed to get off work at 4:00 but due to technical difficulties, I am here downloading a massive datafile instead (8,000 pages and counting...)

I gotta get out of here! I have stuff to do! It's officially the weekend! If it wasn't for the A-blog I would be even more unhappy than I am.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 19, 2005 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Mo
Hang in there, everything will turn out fine.

RA
To protect your identity simply be sure to sound the alarm when your handle is appropriated by someone else.

As for me, I will not borrow another's handle. I barely have a grasp of my own identity.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, RA. I assumed you were the same RA who has occasionally posted comments before, e.g., in the "Tom's Dumb Question on Coincidences" 'boodle. If that wasn't you, then maybe you have accidentally stolen someone else's handle. But if it WAS you, then there's only one RA that I'm aware of. I just thought the RA who made the "Sun God" comment above was someone else entirely, because that comment seemed to be written in a very different style compared with the earlier comment that mentioned the Capitol South Metro, etc. But maybe I've just lost it.

Someone is probably laughing at me right now. I really don't know which "RA" I'm talking to.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Achenfan
You are awesome. How can you tell if someone is merely posing as another poster? I'm completely dense; my mother could be posting on the Boodle and I'd never know it.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 5:03 PM | Report abuse

cowtown - me too! my mother's accent might give her away tho! hah! ms. fan is an editor so she's prolly programmed to look for things like shifts in writing style, etc. to identify different authors...

Posted by: mo | August 19, 2005 5:08 PM | Report abuse

CowTown, stop boodling immediately and:
(a) do your homework
(b) call me more often
(c) get me out of this nursing home

[select whichever option best fits your age and circumstances]

Signed,
Your Mother (Oy Vay, such a child I have)

Posted by: Snarky Squirrel | August 19, 2005 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, CowTown. Maybe it just means I spend way too much time here!

But seriously, I usually notice things like grammar, spelling, capitalization, favorite words, sentence length, paragraph length, etc. And in the case of the two posts by "RA" above, I noticed that the second one contained the phrase "no offense" -- that's what really tipped me off. (I don't think you were here last week when we had the "no offense" discussion.) It seemed unlikely to me that RA would be part of the "no offense crowd," given RA's previous postings.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, mo. That explains a lot. Actually, if my mother were on the Boodle (we're talking science fiction here, she doesn't do computers), she'd give herself away by asking those little personal questions that only a mother would know and you even forgot about yourself.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 5:11 PM | Report abuse

time for more real estate news from California!

Posted by: Intelligent Designer | August 19, 2005 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Are you really an editor, Achenfan? Yes, I know you are very skilled in that, but is that what you do for a living? If so, do you wear rimless, editor-like glasses?

Posted by: comehither | August 19, 2005 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I am an editor. And I wear half-rims.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 5:17 PM | Report abuse

cowtown - my mother is (thankfully?) pc challenged as well... she'd prolly call me by that "cute little nickname" they love to use so much that makes me cringe and she'd pull out that naked-baby-bathing pic that i think every single parent has to embarrass the hell out of their grown up children!

Posted by: mo | August 19, 2005 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Perfect. I can see you peering over them, even as you write on this blog. And I want to get out of the way! Just kidding!!

I have always admired people with high skill or natural gifts for this language. Having learned a couple of other languages, I know English, my native tongue, is one of the quirkiest, and very irregular.

Posted by: comehither | August 19, 2005 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I'm peering all right.

By the way, I think you write very nicely, comehither. Not a dangling participle to be found.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Ah, The Naked Baby Picture Trick. Works wonders on my oldest daughter, drives her nuts. Younger one shows hers to her boyfriend

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 5:37 PM | Report abuse

cowtown - why, oh, WHY do you parents do that? i've never figured that out! please, illuminate to a tortured child who does not have children where the fascination with The Naked Baby Picture Trick comes from? and why oh why must you show it to any man i bring home for the first time? i mean, i already hafta suffer an insane family, must i also be humiliated?

Posted by: mo | August 19, 2005 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I'd keep a close eye on that younger daughter, if I were you...

Posted by: Snarky Squirrel | August 19, 2005 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Have a great weekend, 'boodlers -- I gotta go now. Don't forget to read Joel's column about the blog on Sunday!

Posted by: Achenfan | August 19, 2005 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Mo
Why? Because baby bath pictures are adorable. And, they're taken during happy occasions, when the kids are having a great time, leaving memories that endure. So, from the parents perspective, they're just sharing a bit of their kid's special history. We never showed them to #1 boyfriends though, just to our friends. That's enough humiliation.

Snarky Squirrel:
You got that right.

Posted by: CowTown | August 19, 2005 5:49 PM | Report abuse

possibly good news (i know i signed off for the weekend, but this couldn't wait)

omnigood and omnibad might make the BPH on the 23rd.

oh, by the way, unless oyamel has a porch, maybe we should call this the Boodler Pub Hour. still PBH tho'.

no way the period belongs inside the quote there (snicker)

of og obbbbad to the bone

Posted by: omnigoof and omnigood and omnibbbbaa | August 19, 2005 7:52 PM | Report abuse

That posted by was suuposed to have a 'd' on the end.

Posted by: omni* | August 19, 2005 7:59 PM | Report abuse

OK, that is it for the weekend. omnius or is it omniwe or omni*. We, us are going out for the night for drunken debauchery and town red painting, as it were (is will be).

can you tell we've already been hitting the juice. haha

Posted by: omni* | August 19, 2005 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I missed a lot today.

Posted by: Sara | August 19, 2005 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Me too, Sara. Got a little scary there at the end. Did you see where Joel himself posted? We're gonna be in the Sunday column (the "big" piece as opposed to the Kit)! And anonymously, thank goodness.

I loved it when CowTown said we can turn on a dime - that is a fact.

Let's see, what was going on 100 comments ago? Oh yeah, Paulo was talking about visiting America. The Northeast is fabulous in autumn, DC in spring, Key West in winter, Pacific Northwest in summer. That leaves out a vast portion of the USA, and I don't mean that to be an exhaustive list, just my favorites. A great thing about Washington and Oregon is that you can go from rain forest to desert, ocean to mountains, in a just a few hours.

Doubt that anyone will read this before Monday, but see you next week!

Oh, and one of my favorite Mark Twain quotes is: "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer on Puget Sound." But when it's sunny and dry, it's spectacular.

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 19, 2005 11:39 PM | Report abuse

mostlylurking:

The Twain quote reminded me of a story my college roommate used to tell. She was born and raised in Chicago, no stranger to cold weather. She said the coldest she ever got was on a winter camping trip in Orlando--I guess the combination of cold (although it rarely dips below 40 degrees in Orlando)humidity and the lack of adequate clothing/shelter.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 20, 2005 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Wow, the magazine is setting a record this week--it's already on line and it's only 7:45 a.m. Saturday. So what am I doing over here in the blog! I'm outahere....

Posted by: kbertocci | August 20, 2005 7:42 AM | Report abuse

hahahahaha

Posted by: Kaboodler--click here to see what I look like | August 20, 2005 7:51 AM | Report abuse

As you enjoy the column, you may confirm a rare suspicion. And it gives you a reason not to ascribe every bad actor--and it appears there were a couple on Friday--to me. Have fun and don't bear down too hard on identities. You do great blogging.

Posted by: melvin/A | August 20, 2005 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Melvin/a, I think we are sometimes too quick to jump to you as the source of shenanigans, instead of blaming those pesky googlers. Of course, some pesky googlers may reform and stick around and become part of the SAO15 - proving that good sometimes comes from unexpected quarters. Anyway, I enjoyed the magazine article and look forward to much happy kaboodling in the coming days. Now, I must go watch a press briefing.

Posted by: bostonreader | August 20, 2005 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Hairy? I think "furry" is more apt. Wouldn't you agree, Snarky Squirrel?

Posted by: Caged Rabbit | August 20, 2005 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Not warm and fuzzy?

Joel's item in the Was Post Sunday mag made me feel that way...

bc

Posted by: bc | August 20, 2005 3:12 PM | Report abuse

did omni just say they three?

Posted by: crabtree | August 20, 2005 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Dibs on tinkling on kids' tricycles!

Posted by: md 20/400 | August 21, 2005 2:38 AM | Report abuse

'Morning all -- so much to catch up on. Not that any of you noticed (please read with appropriately whiny voice) but I was absent from the blog for a week due to work demands. I am waaay behind on blogging, but thankfully caught up on job stuff (fairly important until Joel starts compensating us for doing all the work here).

Just wanted to say that I will be at the Boodle Porching Hour, but probably not until 5:45 or so. Will anyone still be there by then?

Posted by: Cubedweller | August 22, 2005 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I noticed you were gone, Cubedweller. Welcome back! I admire your professionalism in staying away from the blog because of work demands. The rest of us have been neglecting our work because of blog demands.

Re. the Porching Hour, I can't speak for everyone else, but I imagine there'll be a few stragglers. Unless we all show up at 3:30/4:00, take one look at each other, and head straight for the nearest exit.

Posted by: Tom fan | August 22, 2005 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Was there a plan on porch-sitter identification? I can't say for certain whether I'll be there. Between my broken foot and interminable meetings, it's not so easy to get around right now.

Posted by: Pixel | August 22, 2005 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Hey there Pixel:
I recall that jw said Oyamel probably wouldn't be very crowded at that time of day, so we should stick out like sore thumbs. Also, he mentioned he'd be wearing a Nationals cap and his Free Katie T-shirt. I expect mo will be wearing black. I'll probably be wearing something more colorful, along with my editors' glasses. If Joel's Sunday column is anything to go by, collectively we will resemble "an insatiable little beast, a creature still unclassified by science -- hairy, warty, slobbering, with its own fiendish agenda" (although I'm choosing to focus on the "smart, clever, creative people" part).

Posted by: Tom fan | August 22, 2005 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Tom fan -- I really hope you'll be there, along with your multiple identities. And I'll see what I can do about getting there a wee bit earlier. I have no idea what I'll be wearing, but I'll most certainly try to keep the slobbering to a minimum!

Posted by: Cubedweller | August 22, 2005 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I thoroughly enjoyed Joel's column about the blog. I did a little bit of laughing out loud, a little bit a inner chuckling, a few grunts of indignation. (Warty? I don't think so.)

Posted by: Sara | August 22, 2005 11:39 AM | Report abuse

(pay zero attention to what I have written.
Let's cut to the chase: The blog ignores me.)

We don't ignore you joel! we embrace you! what's a little slobber when you are so needed?

Posted by: mo | August 22, 2005 11:41 AM | Report abuse

and as for the boodle porching hour - i'll prolly be there a little after 4

Posted by: mo | August 22, 2005 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Although we may ignore him from time to time, we do him the honor of adding the "Achen-" prefix to just about every other word and talking about porches a lot. I think that more than compensates for our tendency to veer off topic.

Posted by: Achenfan | August 22, 2005 11:53 AM | Report abuse

exactly! we are achenaddicts! the kit is like a fix and the boodle is us enjoying the fix! we heart! we need!!

Posted by: mo | August 22, 2005 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Re: Sunday's column

IMO, the blog has morphed into what used to be, back in the olden, pre-web days of the 'net, a mailing list (like dc-beer) or a Usenet newsgroup (like alt.media.achenfans.) It's a place where like-minded people can hang out and yick-yack and applaud each others' good taste and smart style, though without the usual bickering and flaming that all too often shreds virtual communities. Much of that can be attributed to the fact that there is a Fearless Leader who lobs discussion grenades, but even when he is absent, the Cult of Achenbach behaves with as much decorum as can be expected.

Posted by: Pixel | August 22, 2005 12:02 PM | Report abuse

on a side note - did anyone read the article about gang violence in the area? it made me very sad - being second generation hispanic... and a lot of the violence is in my neighborhood and the high school i went to! it was never like that before!

Posted by: mo | August 22, 2005 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm a gangbanger and quite frankly, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Posted by: choke on it | August 22, 2005 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Gang violence rules! I heart gang violence.

Posted by: choke on it | August 22, 2005 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I read that article, mo. It is sad.

It's interesting how people from different racial groups so often focus on their differences rather than their similarities. Sometimes I think that if all the people on the planet were the exact same race, we would manage to find some other way of distinguishing one group from another and hating that group for that difference.

I'm reminded of the film "Hotel Rwanda." There is a scene in that film where two Rwandan women are trying to explain to an American journalist the difference between hutus and tutsis. Something to do with the shape of the nose, I think. These two women look like they could be sisters, yet it turns out that one has been classified as hutu and the other as tutsi. The division seems arbitrary and yet was sufficient to incite hatred and genocide in that country.

I think if Hitler had achieved his vision of a "perfect" Aryan race it wouldn't have been long before subraces were perceived within that group -- one person's eyes would be a different shade of blue, another's hair a slightly darker shade of blonde . . .

Posted by: Dreamer | August 22, 2005 12:33 PM | Report abuse

The first Joel Achenbach column I ever read was his rebuttal to Timothy McVeigh's final words which included a line from that poem "I am the Captain of my Soul". Definitely not warm and fuzzy. In fact, I thought, if they really wanted to punish McV, they'd lock him in a cell with nothing to read except Joel's column.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2005 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Cubedweller, don't worry about anyone still being at the bar by 5:45.

I imagine the fun will just be getting up on the cam by then.

bc

Posted by: bc | August 22, 2005 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I say to you that we need MORE violins in schools. Violins are a glory to behold; and violins make lovely music.

Posted by: Gilda | August 22, 2005 12:50 PM | Report abuse

dreamer - yeah, that movie really plucked at the heart strings! i would love to say that i'm not prejudiced but i don't know if i am or not... i thought i was prior to 9/11 but now...

Posted by: mo | August 22, 2005 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I guess we just need to remember that people of all races, religions, and political persuasions are capable of doing bad things. As Posted by: | reminds us above, before September 11 there was the Oklahoma City bombing.

Posted by: Dreamer | August 22, 2005 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Duhhhh I'm so duhhhh dumb

Posted by: Dreamer | August 22, 2005 1:41 PM | Report abuse

melvin/a:
You want my handle? Please take it. It is no use to me any more. Enjoy.

Oh, and I hope you are OK.

Bye for now, guys. For the next little while Dreamer is really melvin/a. Hopefully he'll get bored with all this soon. See you all at the porching hour tomorrow.

Posted by: The REAL Dreamer | August 22, 2005 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Link to Joel's essay mentioned above:

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/73971336.html?MAC=3c9ea5811c7ad7c01aafeaa2f0efbd77&did=73971336&FMT=FT&FMTS=FT&date=&author=&pub=&printformat=1&desc=The+Execution+Of+a+Hollow+Justice

Posted by: public service provider | August 22, 2005 1:48 PM | Report abuse

melvin/a - why are you being such a pain today? here we are trying to talk about serious things and you are just being plain rude!

Posted by: mo | August 22, 2005 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Back from a great weekend,late sunday, i decided to read Joel`s column(always a pleasure.Nevertheless i would like to read some of his stuff B.B-before the blog) Did he ever thaught about the monster(blog)he created?I believe that even is life has changed.Now he have to feed whit his words and thaughts the starved and undisciplined cretaures who habit this place. He may even be responsible for some lack of productivity in firms, for some people being fired and some familiar problems.Poor Joel...
But we don´t care about that. He got to keep feeding us!...

Posted by: Paulo Assis | August 22, 2005 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Are we sure it's melvin/a? I get so confused because melvin/a seems alright most of the time. I don't much like the rogue blog crashers. They bring down the intelligence and civility of the blog.

Posted by: Sara | August 22, 2005 2:11 PM | Report abuse

i'm not sure who it is... if it isn't melvin/a then my apologies - yeah, i'm not too fond of them either - gang violence is a very serious problem and is not something to joke about...

Posted by: mo | August 22, 2005 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I pity poor melvin/a--now taking the blame for every ornery comment...I hope s/he comes to the Porching Hour and makes friends.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 22, 2005 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm feeling rather un-Kaboodler-ish the past few days. Hopefully it is just a funk and I'm not losing my Kit'n'Kaboodle capabilities. I love my Kit'n'Kaboodle capabilities.

Posted by: Sara | August 22, 2005 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Sara--

Don't worry, it's probably just because Joel, our #1 guy and jw, your #1 guy, have been scarce. That plus the inevitable attacks of Porching Hour Envy that we Out of Towners are experiencing.

Joel will be back before long--and then all will be okay again.

The kaboodle really fell apart today. I think we got too "meta" starting last week. When the kaboodle is all about itself, it's bound to get stale. Joel didn't help this problem by publishing the blog column yesterday.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 22, 2005 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Dreamer, I agree with what you said. I think humans have the capacity to love our fellow man absolutely but we also have the capacity to hate absolutely. We are a very two-sides-of-the-coin species. I know that 'they' say that babies don't hate, but I have seen very very young children focus on and try to take\play with what some other small child has. And I have seen the repsonse from the takee. I guess what I am trying to say is that this dark part of us is not something that we can take out of us.

I have wondered if this dark heart of us is why human socieites developed a code of morals, and ethiccs and laws as different as they are and have been across countries and history.

I live in hope that one day humanity will not have to try so hard to be better, and that our only prejudice will be against that dark part of us.

Posted by: dr | August 22, 2005 2:31 PM | Report abuse

You're right kbertocci. We need those topic grenades that someone mentioned earlier.

Posted by: Sara | August 22, 2005 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Joel, the kaboodle would not have to take over if you kitted more.

Heavens to betsy, that sounds whinney and demanding, but it is really that we feel lost without our fearless leader. WE were much better behaved when you Kitted more.

Posted by: dr | August 22, 2005 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Dreamer and dr's posts remind me of the British film version (black/white) of Lord of the Flies. IT's been years since I've seen it and my memory these days isn't as good as it used to be, but I seem to recall that the actors were not professional actors and very little of the dialogue was scripted. The director just put the kids out there, gave them a general idea of the story line and the boys took it from there. They decided who would play what character. If any of the other bloggers have seen this film and can post a more definitive and interesting description, please do so. My words don't do the film justice, and it deserves better. I'm going home this afternoon and dust off my old tape and re-watch. My love to all of you; mo, please don't be sad.

Posted by: Nani | August 22, 2005 2:45 PM | Report abuse

That does it. I'm not waiting around any more. I'm taking charge. From now on, this is MY Kit & Kaboodle. That's right, this is a coup! Come on, Boodlers, join me. We have nothing to lose but our boredom. Follow me over the hill. That one. No, to the West. Yes, that one. OK, we'll leave in 20 minutes. A nap sounds good, too (yawn). Maybe tomorrow. Tomorrow, tomorrow. I love yah, Tomorrow. You're only a day away.

Posted by: CowTown | August 22, 2005 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I really enjoyed Lord of the Flies. I think I was one of the few in my class that actually found the book to be interesting.

I also really enjoyed the South Park parody of Lord of the Flies. That was great in a completely different way.

Posted by: Sara | August 22, 2005 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I was hoping there would be a new Kit today, because it's Monday and I can Kaboodle in real time. Heavy sigh.

Hope you all have a great time porching tomorrow. jw, hope you have a blast! Er, you know what I mean.

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 22, 2005 2:55 PM | Report abuse

So, I return to town, check messages, and the blog. There's some scurrilous attacks.
I fear some of your funk is because the column irked you, which certainly was inadvertant, and you're having a hard time voicing it. You didn't take the hint. Please get over it with as much grace as possible; it's reality.

Posted by: melvin/A | August 22, 2005 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I knew it wasn't melvin/a.

Posted by: Sara | August 22, 2005 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Of course it's melvin/a. (He doesn't always tell the truth.)

Posted by: Blind Freddy | August 22, 2005 3:06 PM | Report abuse

dr,

My dad always says, if you want to know what human nature is like, look at the ten commandments.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 22, 2005 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I also beleive that choke on it is "mo"

Posted by: Blind Freddy | August 22, 2005 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Actually, strike that. I meant melvin/a, not mo.

Posted by: Blind Freddy | August 22, 2005 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Well, kids, I went to see "The Aristocrats" this weekend. Ask me anything.

I went to the 11:00 a.m. Saturday show, knowing the attendance would be sparce. There were two other single people there, a man and a woman. We all laughed out loud throughout the movie, and I must say I enjoyed it, with the possible exception of George Carlin's opening shot at the joke. I laughed at it, but it was REALLY gross and I can't get it out of my mind yet.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 22, 2005 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Strike that again. Acutally, choke on it is me.

Posted by: Blind Freddy | August 22, 2005 3:14 PM | Report abuse

You said it, bud.

Posted by: Right Said Fred | August 22, 2005 3:15 PM | Report abuse

You said it, bud.

Posted by: Right Said Fred | August 22, 2005 3:17 PM | Report abuse

New Kit!

Posted by: Blind Freddy | August 22, 2005 3:19 PM | Report abuse

The announcement of "New Kit!" appears in the usual way, but with a strange new name. Do you think....?

Posted by: Right Said Fred | August 22, 2005 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Yep. You're a genius.

Posted by: Freddy the Copy-Cat | August 22, 2005 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm shuddering with anticipation, FTCC, of meeting you tomorrow. REALLY. Oooo!

Posted by: Right Said Fred | August 22, 2005 3:26 PM | Report abuse

kbertocci

Thanks for the review. That's my fear about this movie: That I'll see it and some sick joke about snot or excrement will be a major part of the movie and I won't be able to forget it. Kind of like the Pina Colada song.

As for the imp doing the nuisance postings, just ignore it. It will go away, at least when school starts in a couple of weeks.

Posted by: CowTown | August 22, 2005 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm shuddering with anticipation, FTCC, of meeting you tomorrow. REALLY. Oooo!

Posted by: Right Said Fred | August 22, 2005 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I am not a crook.

Posted by: R M Nixon | August 22, 2005 3:39 PM | Report abuse

why do i suddenly have the feeling that melvin/a is actually the alter ego of Joel? they are both traveling - they just checked the comments... he thinks we were irked by the article????

Posted by: mo | August 22, 2005 3:44 PM | Report abuse

melvin/a isn't necessarily traveling, mo. (He doesn't always tell the truth.)

Posted by: Freddy Krueger | August 22, 2005 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I think it's funny that melvin/a is so irksome to of the boodlers, I think it's kind of easy to tell when it's him/her. Cuz, you know, s/he doesn't always tell the truth....

Posted by: LP | August 22, 2005 3:53 PM | Report abuse

And just why, you may ask, do they belong where? Well, it seems to be the result of hysterical accident. When type was upset, a period or clod outside of Karl marx at the end of a crasnoy tended to get knocked into position, so the printers chucked the little devils inside the blastula marks to keep them safe and out of seminility. But apparently only Slobovian printers were more attached to convenience than logic, since Satanic printers continued to risk the miscarriage of their periods.

Let's just say I'm dumber than conventional people. And to heck with a scatological convention that no longer has a reason to be.

Posted by: omnigasm | August 22, 2005 3:56 PM | Report abuse

If you are in fact LP:
I'm pretty sure it's a "he," not a "she," although I was a little confused when bananabanabodana had that hissy fit a week or so ago. I thought, no man could fake that. But it seems this one can.

Posted by: Federico Fellini | August 22, 2005 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I am, in fact, LP

Posted by: LP | August 22, 2005 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted my previous comment before I saw "omnigasm"'s comment. Strange coincidence.

I'm guessing this person isn't really omnigood, etc.

Posted by: Federico Faux Pas | August 22, 2005 4:03 PM | Report abuse

cowtown, I'm getting to the party a little late, but you brought your earlier thinking full circle. The old Santa Claus was in Carpinteria, but had to be moved and it was bought, moved, and restored. Where is it now, you ask? Right off the 101 in, you guessed it, OXNARD. Where a pos condo can be yours for the bargain price of around $350k...

gee, things really did go downhill around here last week...

Posted by: sweetiefur | August 22, 2005 4:04 PM | Report abuse

If you are in fact Federico Fellini:

The post by omnigasm sets a new low standard for intellectual content of this blog. I think newcomers, such as she and I, should stand aside and let the usual bloggers, who have so impressed Mr. Achenbach, to have free run of the place.

Posted by: Felladio Fellini | August 22, 2005 4:04 PM | Report abuse

That was clearly a rip of an earlier post of mine, and you're correct that it wasn't me. Now was it omnigoof, who is a goofball, a goofball who always makes sense, no. An though omnibad is clearly the troublemaker of the threesome, omnibad does not steal and also always makes sense.

Posted by: omnigood | August 22, 2005 4:11 PM | Report abuse

If you are in fact omni-x:

ARe you male or female? My guess is fem.

Posted by: Fellini | August 22, 2005 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I knew that wasn't you, omnigood. They can take away our names, but they cannot take away our brains or our sense of Kaboodling ethics.

"Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God."

-- from "A Course in Miracles," Foundation for Inner Peace

Posted by: Freddo Frog | August 22, 2005 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"Fellini" is clearly a fake. All my new names have something in common, yet the imposter did not break that simple code. Never mind. No "Fred" names from now on -- will have to find a new code, obviously.

Posted by: Final Fred | August 22, 2005 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I knew it wasn't you, too, omnigood.

I like: they cannot take away our brains (altho sometimes when I have an out of blog experience I feel that way)

So many SAO 15 friends are absent, am beginning to suspect that some have transmogrified into some of the pleasing new handles we have seen in the last few days. We need Tom Fan to do a forensic investigation. She's so talented.

Posted by: BloggerExtraordinaire | August 22, 2005 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I think "Fred" just revealed her identity. The writing is unmistakable. No need for forensics.

Posted by: BloggerExtraordinaire | August 22, 2005 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The regulars are probably taking a break because it's not much fun in here right now. Can't say I blame them. A person could lose IQ points by participating in this discussion. The system has pretty much crashed.

And although I may be a twit, I do know that no forensic investigation is required.

Posted by: Twit on legs | August 22, 2005 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Twit OL:

Then why have you assumed at least five new identities today?

Posted by: BloggerExtraordinaire | August 22, 2005 4:33 PM | Report abuse

You're a quick one, BloggerExtraordinaire.

Posted by: Nitwit | August 22, 2005 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Nit,

I'd recognize your blog voice anywhere. And I love it (the voice, that is--I know you are spoken for, though tempted).

Posted by: BE | August 22, 2005 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Why? You tell me. Why does anyone assume one new identity after another? Because they're bored? Because they enjoy annoying other people? Because they want to bring down the blog? (And if this last one is the reason, that raises a whole new set of questions, e.g., Why?)

Could be any or all of these reasons. As with many things, we'll probably never know for sure. And one person's reason for sabotaging the 'boodle is probably very different from another's. But it all has the same effect in the end. I hope you got the effect you were looking for. I didn't really have a plan when I started doing this, so I don't really know what effect I want. Guess it'll be a surprise, good or bad.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

Posted by: Twit OL | August 22, 2005 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Even if I wasn't spoken for, something tells me you wouldn't be my type, BE. I'm guessing you'd be kind of high maintenance.

Posted by: Nit | August 22, 2005 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Not sure you know whom you're conversing with. But that's part of the spell.

You may not know others, but you know yourself.

Please don't lose your self respect. The 'boodle needs you. Now. Seriously. Don't settle for being surprised. Take control. SOB (save our blog). We're counting on you.

Everyone say: Tinkerbell!!!

Posted by: BE | August 22, 2005 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Not sure you know whom you're conversing with. But that's part of the spell.

You may not know others, but you know yourself.

Please don't lose your self respect. The 'boodle needs you. Now. Seriously. Don't settle for being surprised. Take control. SOB (save our blog). We're counting on you.

Everyone say: Tinkerbell!!!

Posted by: BE | August 22, 2005 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Lose my self-respect? If it's good enough for you, it's good enough for me, BE. The blog is only as strong as its weakest link. Goodbye.

Posted by: Twix!!! | August 22, 2005 5:00 PM | Report abuse

i think i shall officially retire from this boodle - maybe it will be more civilized in the next boodle... see ya there!

Posted by: mo | August 22, 2005 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Since my midday visit, it seems there have been many newcomers and few regulars.

Schedule is dicey tomorrow. if the funk herein lifts, I'll try to join you, however.

Now, I must brief the press.

Posted by: melvin/A | August 22, 2005 5:29 PM | Report abuse

We know all about the ridiculous real estate prices out there. Our site pokes fun at the 'quality homes' that command high real estate prices during this current real estate craze.
http://www.ridiculousrealestate.com

Posted by: Ridiculous | August 28, 2005 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Real estate fantasies can be dangerous but if you manage the properties correctly it can be great. I have many apartment complexes and it has turned out great.

Posted by: http://www.apartment-locator-houston.com/ | November 4, 2005 2:00 AM | Report abuse

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