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Harriet Miers to Face Pop Quiz

   The confirmation hearings for Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers will begin Nov. 7, and already we have a hint of the kind of trick questions that mean-spirited senators are going to throw at the president's secretary. In today's Post story about Specter and Leahy being obstreperous with Ms. Miers (because they weren't happy with the answers on their interminable questionnaire), we read this:

    In describing one matter on the Dallas City Council, Miers referred to "the proportional representation requirement of the Equal Protection Clause" as it relates to the Voting Rights Act.

   "There is no proportional representation requirement in the Equal Protection Clause," said Cass R. Sunstein, a constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago. He and several other scholars said it appeared that Miers was confusing proportional representation -- which typically deals with ethnic groups having members on elected bodies -- with the one-man, one-vote Supreme Court ruling that requires, for example, legislative districts to have equal populations.

    Picky! Persnickety! And downright ungenerous to point out the error. You could wander the street for hours and not find a single person who knows every last detail of the Equal Protection Clause. And who is this smarty-pants "Cass R. Sunstein"? Is he jealous because he got passed over? Or is he just in a chronic bad mood because he has a girl's name? Yo, Mama Cass, get over it.

    You know what's going to happen. The hearings will be nothing but a bunch of pop quizzes. They'll hit her from every direction with constitutional minutia! It'll be a big game of Stump The Nominee.

    SENATOR KENNEDY: Ms. Miers, please answer True or False: Article III, Section 3, Clause 1 of the Constitution states, "The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

    MS. MIERS: True.

    SENATOR KENNEDY: False! False! It's Clause 2!!!

    And so on. If she makes one tiny mistake, she's toast. It'll be exactly like the scene in "Diner" where Steve Guttenberg forces his fiance to take a 140-question test about the Baltimore Colts.

By Joel Achenbach  |  October 20, 2005; 9:24 AM ET
 
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[Pssst: "questionnaire" has two n's.]

[Sorry to be downright ungenerous by pointing out this error.]

Posted by: Tom fan | October 20, 2005 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Someone had joked last week that Harriet Miers might fail the essay portion of the Senate questionnaire and now it appears that she did.

Do you think they told her, when they asked her to re-do it, that the best she can get now is a B+?

Posted by: TBG | October 20, 2005 9:54 AM | Report abuse

When I see the spotlight people are put under when they run for public office or are nominated for a position in government, I think if it was me and people dug into my background, I couldn't get elected dog catcher.

Posted by: LB | October 20, 2005 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I think she should get a check minus. Did anyone else have that grading system at all? I seem to remember this grading scale from grade school used besides the ABC or percentage scales. The check means I turned it in but the minus meant I did a poor job. I'll admit I was a bit of a pet and mostly got check pluses, but those check minuses really sapped the morale.

And then there were the check minus minuses...

Posted by: peanutgallerymember | October 20, 2005 10:04 AM | Report abuse

The big difference here is that the chick in "Diner" had studied the material and passed the test.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | October 20, 2005 10:04 AM | Report abuse

We had check and check-minus in law school for our legal research and writing assignments. Grade school comes full circle.

Posted by: x-ian | October 20, 2005 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Longtime lurker, first time poster lured out by the "Diner" reference. Great movie, my favorite part is where the guy eats the every dish on the left side of the menu.

With the quiz, the bride-to-be only passed by one question, and only after the 'judge' (her future hubby) agreed to accept an invalidated question. Ms. Miers is unlikely to find such generosity from her panel.

More pop quizzes might be just what we need to shake up our dull routines. Is Joel up for answering some questions before he's allowed to blog? I'm not; this morning my computer made me change my password in a way that almost guarantees I'll forget it by tomorrow.

Posted by: crusty | October 20, 2005 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I still don't get her answer about her opinions on Roe v. Wade: "Nobody knows my views on Roe v. Wade..." Is she saying that she could only make a decision based on the facts of an actual case before the court (which makes sense) or is she saying that it's a secret and she's not telling?

Posted by: jw | October 20, 2005 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Cute remarks concerning Ms. Miers, but when the "chalk dust" settles, the underlying truth remains, "Harriet Miers lacks the gravitas to occupy a seat on the SUPREME COURT. Reject this nominee, and get real.

Posted by: MHarrison | October 20, 2005 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Are cute remarks bad. Ruh-roh.
I can't see any earthly reason why questionnaire should have that second n, but I fixed it.

Posted by: Achenbach | October 20, 2005 10:23 AM | Report abuse

If a pop quiz will keep Miers from becoming a justice, I'm fine with that.

Posted by: Sara | October 20, 2005 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I think we should get down to basics--and one of the key issues linked to the nomination of candidates to the Supreme Court will continue to be Roe v. Wade and the right to privacy.

Two columns in major East Coast papers today point out one of two decisions that led up to Roe v. Wade, the earlier Griswold V. Connecticut. Of course, I am drawn into this historically, because there were five families who arrived together at Windsor, Conn. in 1639: the Loomises and their Porter relatives, Rev. Ephraim Huitt, the Bissells, and the Griswolds.

Would it be too indelicate to discuss on the Boodle today the most important tests facing Miers, including R.v.W. and abortion, or would that be too controversial? (As you may recall, one of my earlier posts about Miers, when her nomination broke, mentioned Cass Sunstein, law prof/author at the University of Chicago.)

But my gut instinct is that if Miers is not well-versed in constitutional law, what business does she have sitting on the bench of the highest court in the land? Are we to lower our expectations of her simply because she is a woman/Bush crony? Does she pass the qualifications test? Shouldn't her primary qualification be being well-versed in constitutional law?
***

From the NYT non-Times Select op-ed this morning:
There was an embarrassing bit of confusion this week after Ms. Miers met with Arlen Specter, the Senate Judiciary Committee chairman. He told reporters that she had endorsed Griswold v. Connecticut, a widely accepted decision that established a right to privacy covering purchases of contraceptives by married people. But her handlers denied it, and Mr. Specter ended up saying, somewhat unconvincingly, that he must have been mistaken.

From Richard Cohen's op-ed in today's Washington Post today:
That right of privacy, first enunciated in 1965 in Griswold v. Connecticut, once made sense. It overturned a state law forbidding the use of contraceptives by married couples. The average person could easily understand that a right of privacy was at issue here. If the government telling you what you can and cannot do in your own bedroom is not about privacy, then what is? The Connecticut law had to go. If the state legislature wasn't going to take it off the books, then the court had to.

Abortion is a different matter. It entails so much more than mere birth control -- issues that have roiled the country ever since the Roe decision was handed down in 1973 -- and so much more than mere privacy. As a layman, it's hard for me to raise profound constitutional objections to the decision. But it is not hard to say it confounds our common-sense understanding of what privacy is.

Posted by: Linda Loomis | October 20, 2005 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Oo! Oo! I have a Steve Guttneberg story - he grew up in my town and went to the same small high school - and would always be hanging around town, being all benevolent towards the teeming masses. This one pizza place in particular he was a big fan of - I think he was friends with the owner or something. So anyway, I'm in there for lunch one day (in my high school upper classmen could leave for their lunch periods) and he's standing in front with a bunch of local news people, cuz they just named a parking lot after him or something. He's in my way as I'm trying to go get some pizza, and he sticks his hand out and says, "Hi, I'm Steve Guttenburg," and the only thing I could think to say was "Yeeeah, I know, can I go get some pizza now?"

And that is my steve guttenburg story.

Posted by: LP | October 20, 2005 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Um, Tom fan, please to comment on the Achenusage of the singular "minutia" versus the plural "minutiae".

From the context, I think "minutiae" is more appropriate.

Yr hmbl Medieval blacksmith,
bc

Posted by: bc | October 20, 2005 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Did Griswold V. Connecticut have anything to do with Chevy Chase?

- sorry, couldn't resist

Posted by: esskay | October 20, 2005 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Whatever else controversial there may be in choosing your supreme court justices, you are fortunate that someone gets to ask questions.

Up here, the PM names people, and voila, they get appointed. No one has a say, certainly not parilament, not our fumbling un-elected senate, just the PM.

LP, that is a blorphingly superior story.

Posted by: dr | October 20, 2005 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Your Steve Guttenberg story made me snort, LP.

I have an Air Supply story:
When I was about 14 years old, I was at a shopping mall with a friend, and we heard an announcement over the public address system that Air Supply was at the record store RIGHT NOW! We weren't big fans, but we decided to check it out anyway. When we got there, the store was practically empty, and the band members were standing around near the cash register, next to a big stack of scrap paper for people who wanted autographs. A store employee urged us to go up and talk to Air Supply, so we did, but we didn't really have much to say to them. We had always thought they were kind of geeky (as opposed to our cool selves). But after that, we did have our Air Supply Story: "Heh. Heh heh heh. Remember that time we saw Air Supply in the record store and nobody wanted their autograph? That was funny, wasn't it. Heh. Heh heh heh."

Now that I think about it, meeting us probably wasn't the highlight of their lives, either.

Posted by: Achenfan | October 20, 2005 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Leaning slightly left-of-center, I am not sure yet where I should stand on Ms. Miers (actually, standing on her would be mean!).
I am pretty sure, but not positive, that our President would not have selected her if she was not for overturning R v. W. Since I am not sure, she may indeed end up being more for women's rights than I perceive.
However, if she is rejected, I am very sure that the next person will definitely be conservative.
So, what is better; 'probably', or 'definitely'?

Posted by: esskay | October 20, 2005 10:49 AM | Report abuse

esskay writes:
Did Griswold V. Connecticut have anything to do with Chevy Chase?
- sorry, couldn't resist

My reply: Maybe...
And the Bissells who arrived with the Loomises in 1639 gave us the Bissell ferry in Windsor, Conn., the Bissell vacuum cleaner, Bissells down through history and politics, as well as Robin Bissell, executive producer of the film, "SeaBiscuit."
***

Much like the Griswolds in Chevy Chase's 1983 classic comedy "Vacation," we drove a great distance five years ago to find a national landmark closed for repairs.

In "Vacation," the Griswolds went through many cross-country trials and tribulations to find their beloved "Wallyworld" amusement park closed.

Posted by: Loomis | October 20, 2005 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Esskay, WaPo's Howie Kurtz's column today:

Some brief observations from the road:

-- Aren't you tired of one court nominee after another dancing around on the question of abortion? Harriet Miers has never thought about it, never discussed it with Bush, blah blah blah.

So now we learn that she favored a constitutional ban on abortion back in 1989. So you think she would have disclosed that had there not been a piece of paper from her campaign for the Dallas city council? I know, I know: Judges put their personal feelings aside, consider each case individually, put great weight on precedent and so on.

But let's be real: Republican conservatives are happy about this and liberal Democrats are upset. If enough Repubs overcome their concerns about Miers's thin constitutional resume, this has the potential to flip the debate back along the usual partisan lines -- though Democrats will still have to ponder whether defeating her would bring them a more aggressive and equally anti-abortion nominee.

Posted by: Loomis | October 20, 2005 10:58 AM | Report abuse

A SC judge must be well versed in Con. law. It is the Constitution, not one or two specific issues, that they will be asked to interpret on a daily basis. This alone should invalidate Miers as a viable candidate. Anyone can look up Constitutional law as a case comes along. Being the highest court in the land, I would ask for a person more specifically trained in Con Law
KR

Posted by: Kevin | October 20, 2005 11:04 AM | Report abuse

bc:
I wasn't sure about "minutia." Although the plural "minutiae" is usually used, the singular form is defined in Webster's as "smallness," so one *could* argue that Joel was correct in using "minutia." It's one of those could-go-either-way cases that I prefer to leave alone lest I be accused of being persnickety.

[Did I convince you? The truth is, I was so gleefully giddy after discovering the typo in "questionnaire" that I neglected to scrutinize the rest of the Kit. Good work, ye olde blacksmith.]

Posted by: Tom fan | October 20, 2005 11:04 AM | Report abuse

No one thats really famous has ever gotten the chance to meet me. Their loss I guess, but what the heck, it would probably go like LP's encounter "Hi, Im famous and you're not." "Yeah so I'm hungry." Or going up to the Air Supply group and saying "So you all are K.C. and the Sunshine Band huh? Where both you and the band think each other are dorks.

Posted by: LB | October 20, 2005 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Forget the Griswolds and Roe v. Wade. We need to know where Harriet stands on Marbury vs. Maddison, Plessy vs. Ferguson, Brown vs Board of Education, and the Dred Scott decision. Just how far back is she going to rewind the clock.

Bush's goal is to nominate someone who will a) declare life begins at conception, hence making Roe v. Wade mute, b) turn the Supreme Court into an adjunct of Delaware coporate policies.

Questions that would not be a pop quiz:
a) Does life begin at conception?
b) What constitutes interstate commerce?
c) What is cruel and unusual punishment?
d) Are people on military bases on foreign soil in the custody of US personnel protected by the Constitution?

Posted by: yellojkt | October 20, 2005 11:29 AM | Report abuse

It seems as if the Miers confirmation hearings are gearing up to be like that old TV talent game show, "The Gong Show".

In her first submission to the Senate, Specter and Leahy have already declared her talentless, nonetheless, she has been given the opportunity to jazzy up her questionnaire...a second try at the SATs, er, LSAT?

Posted by: deltasonga | October 20, 2005 11:33 AM | Report abuse

First of all, that isn't persnickety, it's CORRECT. Second of all, questions like that are on the MBE of every BAR EXAMINATION. The bar examination is an examination of basic competence. Third of all, the subject that most bar exam takers do best in, getting around 80% of the questions right is constitutional law.

In other words, if you randomly selected a (competent) law student studying for his/her bar exam, s/he would say the SAME THING that Cass Sunstein said.

True, anyone on the street doesn't know it. But anyone on the street isn't QUALIFIED TO BE ON THE SUPREME COURT, YOU IDIOT.

Posted by: Achenblog is an IDIOT | October 20, 2005 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Well, didn't George W. Bush also fail his pop quiz back in 2000 when he was asked by a reporter, who was the leader of Pakistan?

Posted by: deltasonga | October 20, 2005 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Wow that post must be by the Reader Who Hates Neurotic Columnists

Posted by: LB | October 20, 2005 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Achenblog is an inanimate object. AchenBACH is a GENIUS.

Posted by: Achenfan | October 20, 2005 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Since, Harriet Miers is being borked by Bork himself who considers her unfit to sit on the SCOTUS, I wonder if she will declare the animus directed towards her as a "high tech lynching" like Clarence Thomas did during his infamous confirmation hearings..

Posted by: Anonymous | October 20, 2005 11:41 AM | Report abuse

If Miers' nomination is withdrawn or voted down by the Senate, a more aggressive conservative may be presented. Is that the end of the world? Should Democrats be afraid? Certainly the Bush Administration is afraid of a confrontation, which means that Democrats have some clout (which may include some support from moderate Republicans). Democrats can oppose any candidate they don't like and even threaten a filibuster for the more extreme candidates. Conservative Republicans are glad to lose on principal and will go down swinging. That's politics. Why avoid it.

Posted by: CowTown | October 20, 2005 11:42 AM | Report abuse

My one (and only) brush with someone of import occurred when I was a wee babe of 6 months and I puked on the Secretary of the Navy's feet at a photo op. My Dad is Navy and we lived on the base at this time and there was some Hollywood Navy inspired movie premiering on the base. (Apparently the actors were in attendance as well, something my mother never revealed to me until I was in my 20s even though this is one of her favorite stories. She mumbled something about preventing psychological scarring in a youngster...) In any case, she was just trying to pick up my elder brother from daycare by walking across the street with my cute baby self in a stroller however was curious about the crowd at the movie theater and went to investigate. She was then spotted by some PR person and (since I was such a cute baby) began to be photographed with everyone as the Navy wife with a small child and a husband at sea to inspire audiences nationwide blah, blah, blah. After about 10 minutes of this her curiosity was sated and with a young child to pick up at daycare she began to attempt to extract herself from the situation. The PR people wanted her to stay but then I suppose I picked up on her vibe and resolved the situation by puking on the feet of the Secretary of the Navy in full dress uniform. I am embarrassed to this day and my mother still tells EVERYONE this story.

Posted by: peanutgallerymember | October 20, 2005 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Achenblog is an IDIOT:

Thank you for your carefully nuanced and thoughtful contribution. However, in the future, please respect the Boodle's proscription against excessive use of capitals and vitrolic language.

Thank you!

Posted by: CowTown | October 20, 2005 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I have not seen any credible information that says that the Bush administration is afraid of a confrontation. A confrontation from whom, the idea-deprived Democrats?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 20, 2005 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"You could wander the street for hours and not find a single person who knows every last detail of the Equal Protection Clause."

Very true, but I had always hoped that I could wander the chambers of the Supreme Court and not find a single Justice who DOESN'T know every last detail of the Equal Protection Clause. This is the SUPREME COURT; a person's friendship with the President should not be the primary qualification for nomination.

If Bush had said in his announcement that Miers knows every last detail of the Equal Protection Clause, rather than "I've known Harriet for more than a decade. I know her heart, I know her character," people might have a little more faith in her.

Posted by: Dem on Hill | October 20, 2005 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Yes, but that faith would have been dashed once it was revealed that she couldn't answer questions about it correctly. So it would have been a fleeting faith. Too bad.

Bottom line, I don't care about her stances at this point, I just don't think she's qualified.

Posted by: Sara | October 20, 2005 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Ladies and Gentleman, this evening the role of "token guy who doesn't have a sense of humor" will be played by Achenblog is an IDIOT.

Posted by: LP | October 20, 2005 11:58 AM | Report abuse

So pgm, the Sec Nav wears a uniform? I never knew that. My family was Air Force-SAC ("Peace is Our Profession", but don't piss us off cause we got nukes out the ying yang). I always thought the Surgeon General was the only civilian who got to wear a uniform, which always made me feel sorry for the Postmaster General.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | October 20, 2005 12:01 PM | Report abuse

PGM, I don't think you should be embarrassed. After all, who among us has not felt like throwing up on some important personnages feet at some point in our lives?

Posted by: dr | October 20, 2005 12:01 PM | Report abuse

The Supreme Court for I, remains a hallowed place where we must expect for the candidate to be an 'egghead.' If this position was a government contract,per se, Miers would be known as a solesource pick.
And,in essence, the selectee was, not the
best, but the only one in the marketplace available under the time or geographical
contstraints of the search. It appears that
Bush's base objection centers and tracks around the idea of 'best available.'

If this president had floated out a credible list to his base prior to naming Miers, who supposedly was reviewing this same list as an advisor, perhaps what seems to be obvious misdirection could have been lessened. Sometimes what appears to be deception really is deception.

Posted by: Vince1157 | October 20, 2005 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Will it help if Miers is graded on a curve?

Posted by: Bayou Self | October 20, 2005 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Actually the Sec of the Navy is a civilian and don't wear no stinkin uniform.

Posted by: LB | October 20, 2005 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Will it help if Miers is graded on a curve?

Posted by: Bayou Self | October 20, 2005 12:06 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that Miers did not do well with the judges during the questionnaire portion of the contest.

Looking forward to the talent & evening gown portions.

Posted by: jlr | October 20, 2005 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the double post.

Since Joel sent me to the dictionary in his first paragraph, the Word of the Day, brought to you by Senate Judiciary Committee, is ...

Main Entry: ob·strep·er·ous
Pronunciation: &b-'stre-p(&-)r&s, äb-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin obstreperus, from obstrepere to clamor against, from ob- against + strepere to make a noise
1 : marked by unruly or aggressive noisiness : CLAMOROUS
2 : stubbornly resistant to control : UNRULY
synonym see VOCIFEROUS
- ob·strep·er·ous·ly adverb
- ob·strep·er·ous·ness noun

Posted by: Bayou Self | October 20, 2005 12:10 PM | Report abuse

yellojkt writes:
"Forget the Griswolds and Roe v. Wade. We need to know where Harriet stands on Marbury vs. Maddison [sic], Plessy vs. Ferguson, Brown vs Board of Education, and the Dred Scott decision. Just how far back is she going to rewind the clock."

Oooh, yellojkt, I'm so glad that you brought up the Dred Scott decision, as Bush did in his second debate with John Kerry:

http://balkin.blogspot.com/2004/10/second-presidential-debate.html

When Bush was asked what kind of Supreme Court Justices he would appoint, he was essentially incoherent. He pointed to the Dred Scott case as a bad example of judging. It was wrongly decided, he explained, because it held that slavery was constitutional. Well, slavery *was* constitutional until the 13th Amendment, and a court that held the opposite would not exactly have been strict constructionist. The problem with Dred Scott is that the Court reached out to decide something completely unnecessary, that blacks couldn't ever be citizens, and it also held that in order to treat southern whites equally with northern whites, they had to have the right under the Due Process Clause to bring their property (slaves) into federal territories, which meant that the federal government couldn't ban slavery there.

Oh, and by the way, Chief Justice Taney defended his view that blacks couldn't be citizens on the ground that it was the original intention of the Framers and that it was wrong to embrace the idea of a living Constitution that changed with the times:...

Posted by: Loomis | October 20, 2005 12:11 PM | Report abuse

You could wander the street for hours and not find a single person who knows every last detail of the Equal Protection Clause

That's the standard for choosing a Justice for the Supreme Court? What every person in the street knows about the Equal Protection Clause?

Posted by: Christopher Fotos/PostWatch | October 20, 2005 12:13 PM | Report abuse

yellojkt also writes:
"...hence making Roe v. Wade mute..."

Gee, I didn't know that a Supreme Court decision could speak!

Posted by: Loomis | October 20, 2005 12:17 PM | Report abuse

So she doesn't know basic constitutional voting rights law, who cares? She seems nice and she's good at bowling. Isn't that enough? Don't we need proportional judicial representation for mediocre lawyers with good bowling skills?

Posted by: Tad | October 20, 2005 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I enjoy reading about politics (especially Presidential politics). As I grow older I find public speaking comes much easier to me. I enjoy being involved in my community.

I have often thought that running for an office at a local level and building from there would be fun.
And then, I have my recurring nightmare of everyone I knew in High School and college testifiying in front of a Senate sub-committee.

I think I'll keep my day job...

Posted by: esskay | October 20, 2005 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Good new, esskay: elected officials don't need to be confirmed by the Senate!

Posted by: Tad | October 20, 2005 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Tad
their opponents sure can dig up the dirt though

Posted by: LB | October 20, 2005 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Joel, why don't you just get on your knees and affix your lips permanently to Bush's anus.
What's it going to take for you little Neocons to "Get a clue"?

Posted by: Arliss | October 20, 2005 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it was the CNO?

Posted by: jw | October 20, 2005 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Achenbach, do you really have no idea who Cass Sunstein is? Oh dear.

Posted by: angela | October 20, 2005 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Loomis: "moot" instead of "mute". If life begins at conception, then every sperm is sacred and nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 20, 2005 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I like when people call Joel a conservative. It gives me a warm-fuzzy. Now THIS is something it's ok to be snobby and elitist about, rather than camping...ha ha ha.

Posted by: jw | October 20, 2005 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Apologies all around for inaccurate uniform information about the SoN. I was only 6 months old and my memory of the event is a bit fuzzy to the point of nonexistence. I will attempt to research more fully the inaccuracies in future posts. When I'm not feeling full embarrassment by the story I do find it funny (hence posting in the first place).

Posted by: peanutgallerymember | October 20, 2005 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Miers is better suited to be the Minister of Silly Walks.

Posted by: jw | October 20, 2005 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow Joel, your liberbal buddies have turned on you with a vengence!!

Posted by: LB | October 20, 2005 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Kennedy: Ms. Meirs, is your camping equipment new?

Posted by: esskay | October 20, 2005 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, you miss the point.

It ain' that the lady made a mistake, and it ain' that not every detail of constitutional law is understood by everyone.

The point is that there is a question, a doubt that this particular nice lady knows anything about constitutional law - and this IS a job requirement.

Posted by: Chuck | October 20, 2005 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, you miss the point.

It ain' that the lady made a mistake, and it ain' that not every detail of constitutional law is understood by everyone.

The point is that there is a question, a doubt that this particular nice lady knows anything about constitutional law - and this IS a job requirement.

Posted by: Chuck | October 20, 2005 12:41 PM | Report abuse

pgm,

James Webb was Secretary of the Navy and he was a Marine. I don't know if he was still on active duty at the time he was Secretary. I'm sure the position is traditionally civilian, but maybe someone in uniform served as Secretary.

In any case, it's still a great story.

Posted by: pj | October 20, 2005 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, you miss the point.

It ain' that the lady made a mistake, and it ain' that not every detail of constitutional law is understood by everyone.

The point is that there is a question, a doubt that this particular nice lady knows anything about constitutional law - and this IS a job requirement.

Posted by: Chuck | October 20, 2005 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, you miss the point.

It ain' that the lady made a mistake, and it ain' that not every detail of constitutional law is understood by everyone.

The point is that there is a question, a doubt that this particular nice lady knows anything about constitutional law - and this IS a job requirement.

Posted by: Chuck | October 20, 2005 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Good God, we've gone monty.

Posted by: LP | October 20, 2005 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Of *course* you're reminded of the scene from "Diner." Ms. Miers played the part of the young lady.

Posted by: byoolin | October 20, 2005 12:49 PM | Report abuse

To paraphrase the President, "I picked Joel Achenbach's blog for a lot of reasons. One reason is he's never been a judge."

Posted by: deltasonga | October 20, 2005 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Please, Chuck, take your finger off the mouse button!

Posted by: kurosawaguy | October 20, 2005 1:14 PM | Report abuse

yellojkt writes:
Thanks Loomis: "moot" instead of "mute". If life begins at conception, then every sperm is sacred and nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Oh, you men slay me. It's 23 chromosomes from each parent for a total of 46--23 from the woman, 23 from the man. Oohh, a Torquemada inference...ha, ha, ha. "Sperm is sacred?"...the Y chromosome has been in decline for some time in terms of its genetic capabilites. (I think you can Google this...and there are books.) No more "sacred" than the woman's egg(s), not to mention the almighty womb.

I'm elitist and snobby about camping gear? Why do Sara and others see eye-to-eye with me on this? Your thinking/opinions about my camping gear posts is so convoluted, Jeremy, that I can't help but think that you were born breech. ;-)

Posted by: Loomis | October 20, 2005 1:19 PM | Report abuse

AchenFan reaches new heights of fawning kissup at 11:39:33.

Someone may have to call the dreaded SUD or just apply a pail of ice water to the sore spot.

As Martha S would say it another way: "Someone will have to go home."

Collegially,

An ardent fan of all conerned.

Posted by: Omnigasm | October 20, 2005 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Damn those ungenerous senators! God forbid that the person we nominate to be one of the nine ultimate authorities of legal matters in the United States should actually know the law well enough to be able to answer some questions on it!

Posted by: J. Crozier | October 20, 2005 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Re: Token "embarrass the celebrity" moment

I was walking with a group of people and we passed the parked tour bus for the band Boston. One of the people in my group got very enthusiastic: "Oh! Boston! I love them!! I used to listen to their music all the time..." (rave, rave) I was thinking, if they are in the bus I guess this is gratifying to them. And then my friend stopped raving for a second, paused, and said, "No, wait, I was thinking of Chicago."

Posted by: Reader | October 20, 2005 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Boston, Chicago . . . Same diff!

Posted by: Achenfan | October 20, 2005 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I have some autographs at home that I have collected over the years. Included are:
Dexter Manley
Marion Barry
O.J. Simpson
..and a few others, just thought I'd mention those.

Posted by: esskay | October 20, 2005 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Linda, the womb may be almighty, but when a sperm is wasted God gets quite irate.

Posted by: jw | October 20, 2005 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Picky? I'm assuming that lifetime members of the highest court in the land are supposed to be able to answer questions like that on an open quiz. But I'll leave it at that: an incompetent Miers would be a whole lot better than a competent Miers.

Posted by: jb | October 20, 2005 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Or, said another way, Linda:

God gets almighty sperm but is irate when wasting a womb. quite.

++++++++

Also, I have the autographs of Evil Knievel,
Whitey Ford, VP Agnew, and Barry Manilow. So there.

Posted by: Axolotl | October 20, 2005 1:44 PM | Report abuse

So we each have one conviction...

Posted by: esskay | October 20, 2005 1:48 PM | Report abuse

No wait, I have two (Manley and Barry)

Posted by: Anonymous | October 20, 2005 1:51 PM | Report abuse

the Dexter Manley one is a fake unless it is an X

Posted by: LB | October 20, 2005 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I met him in person, however, it is not much more than his initials and some squiggly lines (how is that different from most autographs?).

I think I recall that Dex has since learned to read.

Posted by: esskay | October 20, 2005 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know Ms.Meirs position on autographs?

Posted by: esskay | October 20, 2005 2:01 PM | Report abuse

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/mol/every-sp.mp3

Posted by: LE | October 20, 2005 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't that be "minutiae"?

Posted by: JB | October 20, 2005 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Linda, the womb may be almighty, but when a sperm is wasted God gets quite irate.

I guess it takes one to know one, my dad always used to say...(Nobody will get your goat unless you've got a goat to get) ;-)

Actually esskay gets the award for sheer brilliance, whether he knows it or not:
"Kennedy: Ms. Meirs, is your camping equipment new?"

Everyone take a deep breath...
The keyword is "Experience." (with a capital "E") It's about experience in the Miers/qualification question. It's about experience in the camping/camping gear question. Would it be less offensive to some men if I framed the camping gear question differently, with a different gender? (I don't know why I struck such a chord with some of the men...?)

Hypothetically, a woman in her late 20s wants very badly to be an artist. She makes good money in the corporate world. In her quest to follow her new dream, she goes on a wild shopping spree--she runs out and buys the most expensive canvas on the market, a very expensive set of oil paints--the full range of every color available. She spares no expense on the finest gesso. Only the most expensive sable brushes will do for her. She excitedly tells her friends that she is working on becoming an artist.

At home at night, in the extra bedroom she has converted into a studio, she makes her first foray into the world of painting. She has never taken a class in drawing, or painting, for that matter. She opens her first tubes of paint--the very first being burnt sienna, and asks "How do I mix paints?" "Which part of the picture should I start with first?" "Should I have sketched out my idea beforehand, before I begin to paint, or should I just start by applying paint to the canvas and follow the idea in my head?"

Posted by: Loomis | October 20, 2005 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Well Peanut, you puked on somebody important which is all that matters.

Posted by: LB | October 20, 2005 2:16 PM | Report abuse

My brush with fame. 1970, walking past a little bar in downtown Houston Texas, killing time waiting for greyhound bus departure, I heard someone singing just like jazz legend Billy Eckstine. Peeked inside and oh my god, it was him! I didn't go in, but stood right outside the door listening. Lots of people mistake him for the singer who did "If I Didn't Care", but that was the Ink Spots. Never met them.

Posted by: Nani | October 20, 2005 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I have a "I met a famous person story" too. I went to college in Munich, Germany (Univ. of Md - Munich Campus) in the late 80s. My roommate and I were Christmas shopping downtown when she suddenly yelled, "Hey, that's Mackenzie Phillips!" I turned around expecting to see Mackenzie Astin (who was popular in the Facts of Life at the time) and instead saw Mackenzie Phillips who had played Julie (?) on One Day at a Time. My roommate and I stood there like a couple of idiots daring each other to go ask for her autograph. She saw the commotion and approached us and started talking to us. She was amazed that someone in Germany knew who she was and that we (as Americans) lived there. She was touring with the Mammas and the Pappas reunion tour or something. She was very nice and spent a few minutes talking to us. After all that, we never did ask for her autograph.

Posted by: AJ | October 20, 2005 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Nice job working burnt sienna into that, Linda.

Posted by: jw | October 20, 2005 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Achenbro and his Rox Diamond buddies have these awkward encounters with fans?

"Oh, wait -- I was thinking of Roxy Music."

Posted by: Achenbro- and Tom fan | October 20, 2005 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Kevin Nealand looked down my shirt once.


He's really tall.

Posted by: LP | October 20, 2005 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure *our* Kevin doesn't do that sort of thing.

Posted by: Achenbro- and Tom fan | October 20, 2005 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Linda's artist story sparked this memory. When no. 1 grand-girl was quite young, I gave her watercolors, brushes and plain white paper. She'd sit at the kitchen table enthusiastically slathering paint all over the paper. I'd ask "What are you drawing sweetheart?" And she'd reply "I don't know yet, I'm not finished." When she did finish, she'd study her masterpiece and always find her subject. I could always see it too. Kind of like finding pictures in clouds.

Posted by: Nani | October 20, 2005 2:53 PM | Report abuse

My brush with the famous: I arrived at the ballpark early because the home team was playing the NY Yankees and a huge crowd was expected. I was sitting in right field general admission reading the newspaper waiting for the game to begin. The Yankees were on the field warming up and during batting practice someone hit a fly ball into the right field GA seats. With my head stuck in the newspaper, I was blissfully unaware that a baseball was hurtling toward my head. But I soon found out. The ball hit the man in front of me, ricochetted off him and hit me in the head. Fortunately,(for me) the man in front took the brunt of the hit. Reggie Jackson,(Mr. October)who was standing in the outfield at the time, jogged over to the seats and asked me if I was okay. That is my only experience interacting (well, almost interacting) with the rich and the famous. Although I do have Roger Maris' and George Brett's autographs.

Posted by: Susan | October 20, 2005 2:53 PM | Report abuse

He may not have the height advantage. I swear Kevin Nealand must have been seven feet tall. I was at a restaurant that's next to the comedy club where he was performing, and suddenly i felt his looming presence next to me - I looked up and his gaze came up from my chest, he caught my eye and immediately blushed. He smiled, but walked away real fast. It was only after that that I realized who he was.

Posted by: LP | October 20, 2005 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I bummed a cigarette from Fred Durst once. But that was before he was famous.

Posted by: LP | October 20, 2005 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm done name-dropping now.

Posted by: LP | October 20, 2005 2:59 PM | Report abuse

That's OK LP, I've never heard of any of them.

Posted by: LB | October 20, 2005 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I guess we should view these celebrity types in the same way we view bears, cougars, spiders, etc.: They're just as scared of us as we are of them.

Posted by: Achenfan | October 20, 2005 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Nealand - former Saturday Night Live cast member.

and Fred Durst is the front man for a very lame band, Limp Bizkit.

Posted by: LP | October 20, 2005 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't get out much

Posted by: LB | October 20, 2005 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I saw the back of Robert Redford's head at the opening of the American Indian Museum last year. His hair looked great, but his neck looked.... old.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | October 20, 2005 3:15 PM | Report abuse

It was at the premier of the Kirk Douglas sci-fi/historical flick called The Final Countdown. I've been googling but can't find any pictures of the premier to confirm my mother's story.
Speaking of Limp Bizkit (in a roundabout way) has anyone ever heard Richard Cheese's lounge covers of bad rock songs? I ask because he did quite a few Limp Bizkit songs and I like his lounge singer renditions much better than the originals. That and he uses dog barks instead of profanity which amuses me to no end. Other songs covered: Creep by Radiohead and Closer by Nine Inch Nails all in a wonderful lounge setting.

Posted by: peanutgallerymember | October 20, 2005 3:17 PM | Report abuse

OK Kguy if we are going to stretch that much, I saw the Pope on TV once.

Posted by: LB | October 20, 2005 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the band Boston Chicago do "Dust in the Wind"?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 20, 2005 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Kansas

Posted by: LB | October 20, 2005 3:20 PM | Report abuse

My Dad's the only person in my family who's had an audience with the Pope, and he's also the only Baptist.

Posted by: jw | October 20, 2005 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I doubt anyone can top Linda Loomis' lunch (or was it breakfast) with Roman Polanski.

Posted by: Nani | October 20, 2005 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I once saw the Pope leading Mass. We were visiting the Vatican and didn't know there was a service. My parents and I wondered why there were so many people on a Wednesday (or Thursday, I don't remember) until my dad shouted, "Hey, the guy with the funny hat! It's the Pope!" My brother and I chimed in, "Hey, the guy with the funny hat *is* the Pope!" Thankfully most of the people around us spoke Italian and not English. We are heathens.

Posted by: AJ | October 20, 2005 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I can tell you, through personal experience, that if you ever happen to meet Billy Ripken, do not accidently refer to him as 'Cal'.

Posted by: esskay | October 20, 2005 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Right. Boston Chicago Kansas. Thanks.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 20, 2005 3:34 PM | Report abuse

well come to think of it I did see the Pope (which ever one it was in 1975) leading mass from his apartment window when I was at the Vatican.

Posted by: LB | October 20, 2005 3:34 PM | Report abuse

A former coworker was a high school buddy of John Goodman. John flew in for the day from the set of the Flintstones to be the usher at the coworker's wedding. All the women were jockeying for position to be escorted to the pew by John. Mr. Goodman perspires profusely when he dances.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 20, 2005 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Boston Kansas Journey, I think.
Chicago and the Doobie Bros. seem to be on a slightly highr plane (IMHO).

Posted by: esskay | October 20, 2005 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I drove a famous person in my car one time but I don't know who he was!

I was asked to pick up a Kansas City (whatever the team is) football player at the airport and bring him to a charity event. It was later in the evening hence the reason I had to go get him. I believe he was a linebacker but not sure.

I had to ask for a picture of him so I could identify him at the airport.

It was quite the task to fold him up and wedge him into my Mitsubishi - but I got him to the event on one piece!

Everybody else was impressed with who he was but I still don't remember his name!

Posted by: janet | October 20, 2005 3:37 PM | Report abuse

WAKE UP JOEL, THIS WOMAN MIGHT SIT ON THE SUPREME COURT, NOT ON THE DALAS CITY COUNCIL. HOW MANY OF THE OTHER JUSTICES NOW ON THE BENCH WOULD BE CONFUSED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY SHE ISN'T QUALIFIED

Posted by: THOMAS BOYLE | October 20, 2005 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Was it Derrick Thomas, by chance?

Posted by: esskay | October 20, 2005 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I once met Dr. Seuss' widow in San Francisco. She looked like a Who. Or is it Hoo?

Posted by: jw | October 20, 2005 3:43 PM | Report abuse

DALLAS

Of course, this is not a problem because you haven't been nominated to be a judge of the 79th Annual Scripps National Spelling Bee.

Posted by: kt | October 20, 2005 3:45 PM | Report abuse

It could be anyone of them.

But it was rather funny at the time and still is.

I guess famous is in the eye of only certain beholders.

P.S. esskay, I left a message for you on the last blog.

Posted by: janet | October 20, 2005 3:45 PM | Report abuse

kt--HA!

We should come up with judging gigs that Miers WOULD be qualified for.

I'd say Miss America is out.

Posted by: jw | October 20, 2005 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Heck - I don't even know the name of the team!

Oh yeah! I also bowled with a gentlemen who I was told was the head coach of the Eagles at another benefit.

It helps when you don't know they are famous - you don't get nervous. Of course, you don't remember their names either. Oh well!

Posted by: janet | October 20, 2005 3:50 PM | Report abuse

My brush with fame:

In the late 80s I was playing golf at a nice little course in Las Vegas, NV. At the turn, I see Kenny Rogers walking out of the clubhouse. He passed near to me, looked me in the eye, and said hello. I responded, "Hi Mr Loggins!"

Posted by: irregardless | October 20, 2005 3:52 PM | Report abuse

janet,

It's the Kansas City Chiefs. Did the guy look anything like this:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/hall_of_fame/derrick_thomas/

Posted by: pj | October 20, 2005 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Note to Mr. THOMAS BOYLE. You lost me at " WAKE UP JOEL..."

Posted by: irregardless | October 20, 2005 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Harriet Miers won't be on the Mensa selection committee. She's said GWB is "the most brilliant man I've ever met."

Posted by: kurosawaguy | October 20, 2005 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Oo! wait! I did meet Paul Newman once. At the circus. He was with his wife and kids, he said hi but that was it. Didn't ask for an autograph.

I guess I wasn't done name dropping yet.

Posted by: LP | October 20, 2005 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I think it was 1994 maybe that I provided chauffeur service - but he did look something like that - not far off anyway.

He was very quiet, almost bashful. But once I got him talking he was very nice.

I'm sorry to see in this article that he has died.

Posted by: janet | October 20, 2005 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Does it really matter who is nominated or selected for the Supreme Court? The court lost its appearance of being judicially honest and fair when it, and it, alone made Bush president. And now Bush is seating people that he wants on the court, whether these folks are competent or not,and it does look more than a little suspect. Why should Miers be any more qualified than the person that selected her?

Posted by: Cassandra S | October 20, 2005 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Miers once chair the Texas Lottery Commission? Doesn't this mean she oversaw a big contest? Maybe she could count this as judicial experience.

Posted by: kt | October 20, 2005 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Maybe she hasn't met a lot of men.

Posted by: jw | October 20, 2005 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Miers once chair the Texas Lottery Commission? Doesn't this mean she oversaw a big contest? Maybe she could count this as judicial experience.

Posted by: kt | October 20, 2005 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I've also run into Steven Tyler at the Sports Authority, buying his kids an air-hockey table or something for Christmas.

Posted by: jw | October 20, 2005 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Of course it matters who is seated on the Supreme Court.

Perhaps this is a reminder that it matters who we elect to serve us as elected officials. Its the whole domino affect (effect?).

Posted by: janet | October 20, 2005 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I think two would be enough to move W out of the "most brilliant" category.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 20, 2005 4:12 PM | Report abuse

My most recent brush with greatness:
I was in DC the weekend of the 15th and happened to walk into a movie shoot, "The Good Shepard", DeNiro, Jolie, Damon...lots of people walking around in 50's outfits and lots of vintage vehicles. Didn't see the stars, though, they were filming on an old bus as it drove round in circles (E. Capitol St. SE and 2nd). I did sneak in a local church where they were catering lunch for the crew. Yum.

Posted by: capemh | October 20, 2005 4:12 PM | Report abuse

janet,

I think I recall reading that Derrick Thomas was a very nice guy and quiet and shy. Maybe it was him. Yes, it is very sad about his early death.

Posted by: pj | October 20, 2005 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I think two would be enough to move W out of the "most brilliant" category.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 20, 2005 4:13 PM | Report abuse

My most recent brush with greatness:
I was in DC the weekend of the 15th and happened to walk into a movie shoot, "The Good Shepard", DeNiro, Jolie, Damon...lots of people walking around in 50's outfits and lots of vintage vehicles. Didn't see the stars, though, they were filming on an old bus as it drove round in circles (E. Capitol St. SE and 2nd). I did sneak in a local church where they were catering lunch for the crew. Yum.

Posted by: capemh | October 20, 2005 4:14 PM | Report abuse

janet,

I think I recall reading that Derrick Thomas was a very nice guy and quiet and shy. Maybe it was him. Yes, it is very sad about his early death.

Posted by: pj | October 20, 2005 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I think two would be enough to move W out of the "most brilliant" category.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 20, 2005 4:16 PM | Report abuse

janet,

I think I recall reading that Derrick Thomas was a very nice guy and quiet and shy. Maybe it was him. Yes, it is very sad about his early death.

Posted by: pj | October 20, 2005 4:17 PM | Report abuse

My most recent brush with greatness:
I was in DC the weekend of the 15th and happened to walk into a movie shoot, "The Good Shepard", DeNiro, Jolie, Damon...lots of people walking around in 50's outfits and lots of vintage vehicles. Didn't see the stars, though, they were filming on an old bus as it drove round in circles (E. Capitol St. SE and 2nd). I did sneak in a local church where they were catering lunch for the crew. Yum.

Posted by: capemh | October 20, 2005 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I think two would be enough to move W out of the "most brilliant" category.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 20, 2005 4:18 PM | Report abuse

My most recent brush with greatness:
I was in DC the weekend of the 15th and happened to walk into a movie shoot, "The Good Shepard", DeNiro, Jolie, Damon...lots of people walking around in 50's outfits and lots of vintage vehicles. Didn't see the stars, though, they were filming on an old bus as it drove round in circles (E. Capitol St. SE and 2nd). I did sneak in a local church where they were catering lunch for the crew. Yum.

Posted by: capemh | October 20, 2005 4:19 PM | Report abuse

My most recent brush with greatness:
I was in DC the weekend of the 15th and happened to walk into a movie shoot, "The Good Shepard", DeNiro, Jolie, Damon...lots of people walking around in 50's outfits and lots of vintage vehicles. Didn't see the stars, though, they were filming on an old bus as it drove round in circles (E. Capitol St. SE and 2nd). I did sneak in a local church where they were catering lunch for the crew. Yum.

Posted by: capemh | October 20, 2005 4:19 PM | Report abuse

UNITED STATES SENATE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY NOMINEE FOR THE SUPREME COURT OF THE US GENERAL (PUBLIC) - DEMOCRATIC VERSION

The following questions are REQUIRED

1. Do you think that a woman has the right to choose for herself whether or not to have an abortion?

2. Do you think that homosexuals have a right to a marriage that is legally equivalent to that of heterosexuals?

The following questions are OPTIONAL

3. Name: Full name (include any former names used, nicknames, pet names, and nick-, pet- or love- names of body parts that you or anyone else has ever used)

4. Position: State the position for which you have been nominated, and any positions you may have assumed or are willing to assume for consideration.

5. Address: List current office address. If state of mind differs from the state you are expected to assume, please list here.

6. Martial Status:

7. Education: Please tell us about your Educational Experience, and anything you may have learned during your matriculation (e.g. Don't mix gin and beer)

8. Military Service: Please tell us about your Military Experience, and any really funny stories you may have from your Service to Our Country

9. Honor and Awards: Please list any scholarships, academic or professional honors or awards, Major Awards, handmade ceramics from children, bowling trophies, 4H Club Blue Ribbons, or Lotteries you may have won.

10. Bar Associations, Bar and Court Admission: Look, you're a lawyer, right? Admit it, and we'll move on.

11. Are You Now, or have you ever been Judge in a Court of Law anywhere in the World? If so, please list your services in reverse temporal order. If not, why not? And what makes you think you should start at the top? Please explain.

12. Memberships: List all professional, business, fraternal, scholarly, civic, charitable, subversive, religious, anything ending in -'ist', groups to which you belong now or have ever belonged to. Please include any clubs, businesses, working groups, committees, churches, synagogues, mosques, country clubs, panels, boards of directors, terrorist cells, porn sites, clinical drug trials. etc. you are now, ever were, or want to be a member of. If you've ever listened to "Focus on the Family" on Your Favorite Religious Radio Station, please answer yes to this question. Don't try to fool or mislead us here, WE WILL FIND OUT EVERYTHING, even if you don't tell us. We promise.

13. Why does POTUS call Karl Rove "Turd Blossom"? This bothers us greatly, though we agree with it in principle.

14. Have you already been fitted for SCJ robes?

15. How many pieces of "Flair" do you intend to wear on your robes?

16. Is that your natural hair color?

17. When was the last time you shopped at a WalMart? Please list any and all items you walked out of the store with, and whether or not you paid for them.

18. While working at the White House, who wrote your annual performance reviews? Who signed them?

19. Do you party?

20. We're tired, can we go home how?

Posted by: bc | October 20, 2005 4:30 PM | Report abuse

UNITED STATES SENATE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY NOMINEE FOR THE SUPREME COURT OF THE US GENERAL (PUBLIC): DEMOCRATIC VERSION

The following questions are REQUIRED

1. Do you think that a woman has the right to choose for herself whether or not to have an abortion?

2. Do you think that homosexuals have a right to a marriage that is legally equivalent to that of heterosexuals?

The following questions are OPTIONAL

3. Name: Full name (include any former names used, nicknames, pet names, and nick-, pet- or love- names of body parts that you or anyone else has ever used)

4. Position: State the position for which you have been nominated, and any positions you may have assumed or are willing to assume for consideration.

5. Address: List current office address. If state of mind differs from the state you are expected to assume, please list here.

6. Martial Status:

7. Education: Please tell us about your Educational Experience, and anything you may have learned during your matriculation (e.g. Don't mix gin and beer)

8. Military Service: Please tell us about your Military Experience, and any really funny stories you may have from your Service to Our Country

9. Honor and Awards: Please list any scholarships, academic or professional honors or awards, Major Awards, handmade ceramics from children, bowling trophies, 4H Club Blue Ribbons, or Lotteries you may have won.

10. Bar Associations, Bar and Court Admission: Look, you're a lawyer, right? Admit it, and we'll move on.

11. Are You Now, or have you ever been Judge in a Court of Law anywhere in the World? If so, please list your services in reverse temporal order. If not, why not? And what makes you think you should start at the top? Please explain.

12. Memberships: List all professional, business, fraternal, scholarly, civic, charitable, subversive, religious, anything ending in "-ist", groups to which you belong now or have ever belonged to. Please include any clubs, businesses, working groups, committees, churches, synagogues, mosques, country clubs, panels, boards of directors, terrorist cells, porn sites, clinical drug trials. etc. you are now, ever were, or want to be a member of. If you've ever listened to "Focus on the Family" on Your Favorite Religious Radio Station, please answer yes to this question. Don't try to fool or mislead us here, WE WILL FIND OUT EVERYTHING. We promise.

13. Why does POTUS call Karl Rove "Turd Blossom"? This bothers us greatly, though we agree with it in principle.

14. Have you already been fitted for SCJ robes?

15. How many pieces of "Flair" do you intend to wear on your robes?

16. Is that your natural hair color?

17. When was the last time you shopped at a WalMart? Please list any and all items you walked out of the store with, and whether or not you paid for them.

18. While working at the White House, who wrote your annual performance reviews? Who signed them?

19. Do you party?

20. We're tired, can we go home how?

Posted by: bc | October 20, 2005 4:34 PM | Report abuse

UNITED STATES SENATE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY NOMINEE FOR THE SUPREME COURT OF THE US GENERAL (PUBLIC) - DEMOCRATIC VERSION

The following questions are REQUIRED

1. Do you think that a woman has the right to choose for herself whether or not to have an abortion?

2. Do you think that homosexuals have a right to a marriage that is legally equivalent to that of heterosexuals?

The following questions are OPTIONAL

3. Name: Full name (include any former names used, nicknames, pet names, and nick-, pet- or love- names of body parts that you or anyone else has ever used)

4. Position: State the position for which you have been nominated, and any positions you may have assumed or are willing to assume for consideration.

5. Address: List current office address. If state of mind differs from the state you are expected to assume, please list here.

6. Martial Status:

7. Education: Please tell us about your Educational Experience, and anything you may have learned during your matriculation (e.g. Don't mix gin and beer)

8. Military Service: Please tell us about your Military Experience, and any really funny stories you may have from your Service to Our Country

9. Honor and Awards: Please list any scholarships, academic or professional honors or awards, Major Awards, handmade ceramics from children, bowling trophies, 4H Club Blue Ribbons, or Lotteries you may have won.

10. Bar Associations, Bar and Court Admission: Look, you're a lawyer, right? Admit it, and we'll move on.

11. Are You Now, or have you ever been Judge in a Court of Law anywhere in the World? If so, please list your services in reverse temporal order. If not, why not? And what makes you think you should start at the top? Please explain.

12. Memberships: List all professional, business, fraternal, scholarly, civic, charitable, subversive, religious, anything ending in -'ist', groups to which you belong now or have ever belonged to. Please include any clubs, businesses, working groups, committees, churches, synagogues, mosques, country clubs, panels, boards of directors, terrorist cells, porn sites, clinical drug trials. etc. you are now, ever were, or want to be a member of. If you've ever listened to "Focus on the Family" on Your Favorite Religious Radio Station, please answer yes to this question. Don't try to fool or mislead us here, WE WILL FIND OUT EVERYTHING, even if you don't tell us. We promise.

13. Why does POTUS call Karl Rove "Turd Blossom"? This bothers us greatly, though we agree with it in principle.

14. Have you already been fitted for SCJ robes?

15. How many pieces of "Flair" do you intend to wear on your robes?

16. Is that your natural hair color?

17. When was the last time you shopped at a WalMart? Please list any and all items you walked out of the store with, and whether or not you paid for them.

18. While working at the White House, who wrote your annual performance reviews? Who signed them?

19. Do you party?

20. We're tired, can we go home how?

Posted by: bc | October 20, 2005 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the double post. Sent the first one and got a page that said there was an error in the post and that I should send it in again.
Another brush with the famous; In '69 I ran into the 1910 Fruitgum Company (Simon Says) in a pizza house in North Falmouth (Cape Cod).

Posted by: capemh | October 20, 2005 4:39 PM | Report abuse

UNITED STATES SENATE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY NOMINEE FOR THE SUPREME COURT OF THE US GENERAL (PUBLIC) - DEMOCRATIC VERSION

The following questions are REQUIRED

1. Do you think that a woman has the right to choose for herself whether or not to have an abortion?

2. Do you think that homosexuals have a right to a marriage that is legally equivalent to that of heterosexuals?

The following questions are OPTIONAL

3. Name: Full name (include any former names used, nicknames, pet names, and nick-, pet- or love- names of body parts that you or anyone else has ever used)

4. Position: State the position for which you have been nominated, and any positions you may have assumed or are willing to assume for consideration.

5. Address: List current office address. If state of mind differs from the state you are expected to assume, please list here.

6. Martial Status:

7. Education: Please tell us about your Educational Experience, and anything you may have learned during your matriculation (e.g. Don't mix gin and beer)

8. Military Service: Please tell us about your Military Experience, and any really funny stories you may have from your Service to Our Country

9. Honor and Awards: Please list any scholarships, academic or professional honors or awards, Major Awards, handmade ceramics from children, bowling trophies, 4H Club Blue Ribbons, or Lotteries you may have won.

10. Bar Associations, Bar and Court Admission: Look, you're a lawyer, right? Admit it, and we'll move on.

11. Are You Now, or have you ever been Judge in a Court of Law anywhere in the World? If so, please list your services in reverse temporal order. If not, why not? And what makes you think you should start at the top? Please explain.

12. Memberships: List all professional, business, fraternal, scholarly, civic, charitable, subversive, religious, anything ending in -'ist', groups to which you belong now or have ever belonged to. Please include any clubs, businesses, working groups, committees, churches, synagogues, mosques, country clubs, panels, boards of directors, terrorist cells, porn sites, clinical drug trials. etc. you are now, ever were, or want to be a member of. If you've ever listened to "Focus on the Family" on Your Favorite Religious Radio Station, please answer yes to this question. Don't try to fool or mislead us here, WE WILL FIND OUT EVERYTHING, even if you don't tell us. We promise.

13. Why does POTUS call Karl Rove "Turd Blossom"? This bothers us greatly, though we agree with it in principle.

14. Have you already been fitted for SCJ robes?

15. How many pieces of "Flair" do you intend to wear on your robes?

16. Is that your natural hair color?

17. When was the last time you shopped at a WalMart? Please list any and all items you walked out of the store with, and whether or not you paid for them.

18. While working at the White House, who wrote your annual performance reviews? Who signed them?

19. Do you party?

20. We're tired, can we go home how?

Posted by: bc | October 20, 2005 4:41 PM | Report abuse

UNITED STATES SENATE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY NOMINEE FOR THE SUPREME COURT OF THE US GENERAL (PUBLIC) - DEMOCRATIC VERSION

The following questions are REQUIRED

1. Do you think that a woman has the right to choose for herself whether or not to have an abortion?

2. Do you think that homosexuals have a right to a marriage that is legally equivalent to that of heterosexuals?

The following questions are OPTIONAL

3. Name: Full name (include any former names used, nicknames, pet names, and nick-, pet- or love- names of body parts that you or anyone else has ever used)

4. Position: State the position for which you have been nominated, and any positions you may have assumed or are willing to assume for consideration.

5. Address: List current office address. If state of mind differs from the state you are expected to assume, please list here.

6. Martial Status:

7. Education: Please tell us about your Educational Experience, and anything you may have learned during your matriculation (e.g. Don't mix gin and beer)

8. Military Service: Please tell us about your Military Experience, and any really funny stories you may have from your Service to Our Country

9. Honor and Awards: Please list any scholarships, academic or professional honors or awards, Major Awards, handmade ceramics from children, bowling trophies, 4H Club Blue Ribbons, or Lotteries you may have won.

10. Bar Associations, Bar and Court Admission: Look, you're a lawyer, right? Admit it, and we'll move on.

11. Are You Now, or have you ever been Judge in a Court of Law anywhere in the World? If so, please list your services in reverse temporal order. If not, why not? And what makes you think you should start at the top? Please explain.

12. Memberships: List all professional, business, fraternal, scholarly, civic, charitable, subversive, religious, anything ending in -'ist', groups to which you belong now or have ever belonged to. Please include any clubs, businesses, working groups, committees, churches, synagogues, mosques, country clubs, panels, boards of directors, terrorist cells, porn sites, clinical drug trials. etc. you are now, ever were, or want to be a member of. If you've ever listened to "Focus on the Family" on Your Favorite Religious Radio Station, please answer yes to this question. Don't try to fool or mislead us here, WE WILL FIND OUT EVERYTHING, even if you don't tell us. We promise.

13. Why does POTUS call Karl Rove "Turd Blossom"? This bothers us greatly, though we agree with it in principle.

14. Have you already been fitted for SCJ robes?

15. How many pieces of "Flair" do you intend to wear on your robes?

16. Is that your natural hair color?

17. When was the last time you shopped at a WalMart? Please list any and all items you walked out of the store with, and whether or not you paid for them.

18. While working at the White House, who wrote your annual performance reviews? Who signed them?

19. Do you party?

20. We're tired, can we go home how?

Posted by: bc | October 20, 2005 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I always thought it was Daniel Stern in Diner who made his girlfriend take the Colts quiz, not Steve Guttenberg.

Posted by: AT | October 20, 2005 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I always thought it was Daniel Stern in Diner who made his girlfriend take the Colts quiz, not Steve Guttenberg.

Posted by: AT | October 20, 2005 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I always thought it was Daniel Stern in Diner who made his girlfriend take the Colts quiz, not Steve Guttenberg.

Posted by: AT | October 20, 2005 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I always thought it was Daniel Stern in Diner who made his girlfriend take the Colts quiz, not Steve Guttenberg.

Posted by: AT | October 20, 2005 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the double post. Sent the first one and got a page that said there was an error in the post and that I should send it in again.
Another brush with the famous; In '69 I ran into the 1910 Fruitgum Company (Simon Says) in a pizza house in North Falmouth (Cape Cod).

Posted by: capemh | October 20, 2005 4:50 PM | Report abuse

UNITED STATES SENATE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY NOMINEE FOR THE SUPREME COURT OF THE US GENERAL (PUBLIC) - DEMOCRATIC VERSION

The following questions are REQUIRED

1. Do you think that a woman has the right to choose for herself whether or not to have an abortion?

2. Do you think that homosexuals have a right to a marriage that is legally equivalent to that of heterosexuals?

The following questions are OPTIONAL

3. Name: Full name (include any former names used, nicknames, pet names, and nick-, pet- or love- names of body parts that you or anyone else has ever used)

4. Position: State the position for which you have been nominated, and any positions you may have assumed or are willing to assume for consideration.

5. Address: List current office address. If state of mind differs from the state you are expected to assume, please list here.

6. Martial Status:

7. Education: Please tell us about your Educational Experience, and anything you may have learned during your matriculation (e.g. Don't mix gin and beer)

8. Military Service: Please tell us about your Military Experience, and any really funny stories you may have from your Service to Our Country

9. Honor and Awards: Please list any scholarships, academic or professional honors or awards, Major Awards, handmade ceramics from children, bowling trophies, 4H Club Blue Ribbons, or Lotteries you may have won.

10. Bar Associations, Bar and Court Admission: Look, you're a lawyer, right? Admit it, and we'll move on.

11. Are You Now, or have you ever been Judge in a Court of Law anywhere in the World? If so, please list your services in reverse temporal order. If not, why not? And what makes you think you should start at the top? Please explain.

12. Memberships: List all professional, business, fraternal, scholarly, civic, charitable, subversive, religious, anything ending in -'ist', groups to which you belong now or have ever belonged to. Please include any clubs, businesses, working groups, committees, churches, synagogues, mosques, country clubs, panels, boards of directors, terrorist cells, porn sites, clinical drug trials. etc. you are now, ever were, or want to be a member of. If you've ever listened to "Focus on the Family" on Your Favorite Religious Radio Station, please answer yes to this question. Don't try to fool or mislead us here, WE WILL FIND OUT EVERYTHING, even if you don't tell us. We promise.

13. Why does POTUS call Karl Rove "Turd Blossom"? This bothers us greatly, though we agree with it in principle.

14. Have you already been fitted for SCJ robes?

15. How many pieces of "Flair" do you intend to wear on your robes?

16. Is that your natural hair color?

17. When was the last time you shopped at a WalMart? Please list any and all items you walked out of the store with, and whether or not you paid for them.

18. While working at the White House, who wrote your annual performance reviews? Who signed them?

19. Do you party?

20. We're tired, can we go home how?

Posted by: bc | October 20, 2005 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Somebody broke the blog!!!!!

Posted by: dr | October 20, 2005 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Somebody broke the blog!!!!

Posted by: dr | October 20, 2005 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Ms. Miers's strategy of responding to all senatorial queries with the rhetorical question "What would Jesus Do?" might just pay off.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 20, 2005 5:02 PM | Report abuse

It's like deja vu all over again.

Posted by: peanutgallerymember | October 20, 2005 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Somebody turned on the back up redundancy!

Posted by: janet | October 20, 2005 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Will it help if Miers is graded on a curve?

Posted by: Bayou Self | October 20, 2005 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I always thought that if you wrote something like "Picky! Persnickety!", people could tell you were joking. I guess it's hard for people to grasp humor when they live almost entirely in THE LAND OF THE EXTREMELY SHRILL AND ENTIRELY UPPER CASE RANT. I may have to start using emoticons.

Posted by: Achenbach | October 20, 2005 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Please don't resort to emoticon use, that would be awful...I think most of us are in on the joke, so utilizing different "faces" or hitting the ALL CAPS button seems unnecessary...

Posted by: C8 | October 20, 2005 5:37 PM | Report abuse

ACK!!!!!!!!! fix the boodle - fix the boodle!
as for surgeon general - there are 4 - one is fed and there's a surgeon general for each navy, army and airforce (tricare) so it could have been the surgeon general of the navy (in full dress) or even the cno (in full dress)...
i've had many a famous encounter having lived in Hollywood so i won't bore you with my name dropping... i feel sorry for famous ppl cuz they can't go anywhere without ppl noticing them or asking for autographs... i would hate the anonymity...

Posted by: mo | October 20, 2005 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Emoticons? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Achenbach, you just made me go caps!

Posted by: LP | October 20, 2005 5:51 PM | Report abuse

doh! SCC i mean lack of anonymity!

yeah, joel - that shrill WHOLE CAPS THING really grates my nerves!

Posted by: mo | October 20, 2005 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Joel, maybe you need a sub-heading for the Blog similiar to GW's 'Tuesdays with Moron' to remind all readers that all or part of this blog may contain humour? Perhaps a warning not to read if one's funny bone is stunted?

I am sure boodlers would love to help.

Posted by: dr | October 20, 2005 5:57 PM | Report abuse

i didn't mean to sound snobby and elitist by saying i've had many a brush with famous ppl - when you live in nyc or hollywood it becomes de rigeur - i mean, they are normal ppl who have to go to the bank (ice t banked at my bank) and the video store (virginia madsen and michael j. fox were regulars at my blockbuster)
that being said - i LOVED the brush w/celeb stories! (and i like limp bizkit!)

Posted by: mo | October 20, 2005 6:00 PM | Report abuse

The questioning should be interesting in a deer-in-the-headlight sort of way. I fear that a constitutional philosophy consisting entirely of "WWJD" may not satisfy some of the more cynical members of congress.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 20, 2005 6:23 PM | Report abuse

mo, you are by far neither snobby or elitist in my book so no fears there.

I find that when people write in excessive caps I actually get headaches and start squinting in pain as if they've been shouting at me. Am I the only one?

Posted by: peanutgallerymember | October 20, 2005 6:25 PM | Report abuse

RD Padouk: What if it were WWBD (what would Buddha do)?

Posted by: peanutgallerymember | October 20, 2005 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Am embarrassed to have posted twice. The first time said the blog wasn't working. I like the second version better anyway....

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 20, 2005 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the multiple posts.

The 'boodle's comment facilites/TypePad has been notably odd lately.

SCC: 5 repeat posts.

Bleah.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 20, 2005 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Everyone should note that JW hasn't posted anything new on his blog since October 4th. Is his mojo still strong?

Posted by: A Different Observer | October 20, 2005 6:49 PM | Report abuse

My 16-year-old son met John Astin the other night after Astin's performance at Ford's Theatre.

When he came home, my son exclaimed, "I met Gomez Addams!" Said Astin was the nicest guy.

Of course, he's never met anyone from Limp Bizkit.

Posted by: TBG | October 20, 2005 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I've bought beers for, and chatted briefly with, both Tommy Lee Jones & John Lee Hooker (different occasions, although the day I met Hooker I also shared lunch with Taj Mahal & his family. A very few of you might even know who all those people are!), but my best story is:

When I was a kid in the early '70's (about 10 yrs. old), we were living in Okinawa on a base that was basically a housing area, with no airfield and not much in the way of actual operations at all.. One afternoon during the summer, I was out messing around on the little nine-hole golf course, and I saw a bunch of M.P.'s pull up. They came out to me, and told me that I needed to clear off, because they were going to land a helicopter, which was already approaching. When it landed, the officer who got off pointed to me and spoke to them, then headed toward me with most of the entourage in tow. It was Gen. William Westmoreland, back on a visit after having commanded the Vietnam theater for years, who apologized for interrupting my game, and wished me a good round. And he did this with a perfectly straight face! Pretty cool, I thought.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 20, 2005 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that Westmoreland's middle name is "Lee", though, which kinda ruins the story, now that I think about it.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 20, 2005 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Bob S.
How did you meet Tommy Lee Jones?

Posted by: Loomis | October 20, 2005 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I bet neither Jesus nor Buddha would WRITE IN ALL CAPS AND USE LOTS OF EXCLAMATION POINTS!!! Confucius praised great sages of the past with contradictory philosophical views. In fact, I think it was pretty common for classical Chinese philosophers to have close friendships with people from opposing schools (and some very funny debates). None would have made good recruits for the culture wars. I'm not so sure about the French Existentialists, though. What do you think?

Posted by: kt | October 20, 2005 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Bob S.
Don't tell her until she gives you the pancake recipe

Posted by: newkidontheblog | October 20, 2005 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Joel,

Don't worry about the all caps folks or those posters who need a humor transplant. Just realize that in blogland you are an upper and lower case guy in an upper case world. Revel in your difference!

And it's always nice to see the word 'persnickety'.

Posted by: pj | October 20, 2005 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Called out! I can't beleive it!

Posted by: jw | October 20, 2005 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I lived in Del Rio, TX 1992-1997. It was/is a fairly popular area for filming western-themed films (the King ranch, the old "Alamo" set, and a couple of other areas around Del Rio & Brackettville get plenty of use), and Lee had been there before when filming "Lonesome Dove". He stayed in town occasionally when filming something (I think it was "The Good Old Boys", but it's been a while. Something, anyway!), and wandered into one of my local watering holes occasionally. One night he and a buddy were sitting near me at the bar, so I said howdy, bought them a beer, and we chatted a bit. Nothing too dramatic, but a pleasant bar conversation. It was sufficiently uncrowded that not too many people got overwrought at the fact that a celebrity was present. I actually spent more time talking to his buddy (a crew guy, electrician I think, it turned out that he and I shared the same surname!) after a couple of other folks joined the conversation, but a few nights later Jones sent me a couple of drinks when he saw me at a restaurant across the river in Acuna (Mexico). Seemed like a pretty decent guy to me.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 20, 2005 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I think the pancakes may be too dear a secret for her to part with for such a relatively boring story. Maybe if I tell her about the time I took a shower with Sean Connery?

Posted by: Bob S. | October 20, 2005 9:39 PM | Report abuse

While we're through with the discussion of emoticons, why on God's green earth do some people herein say

*heart* instead of luv?

Posted by: Temecula | October 20, 2005 10:26 PM | Report abuse

"next to of course god america i

"next to of course god america i
love you land of the pilgrims' and so forth oh
say can you see by the dawn's early my
country 'tis of centuries come and go
and are no more what of it we should worry
in every language even deafanddumb
they sons acclaim your glorious name by gorry
by jingo by gee by gosh by gum
why talk of beauty what could be more beau-
tiful than these heroic happy dead
who rushed like lions to the roaring slaughter
they did not stop to think they died instead
then shall the voice of liberty be mute?"

He spoke. And drank rapidly a glass of water

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> \\ ~ ~ //
> ( @ @ )
>-----------oOOo-(_)-oOOo-----------

Posted by: e.e.cummings' rant | October 20, 2005 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Temecula - Shirley you already know the answer to this?

It's a sarcastic jab at the bumper stickers which say thing like: "I *heart* buggering dachshunds"

Posted by: Bob S. | October 20, 2005 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Beautiful work with the cummings!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 20, 2005 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Bob S.

Thank God I wasn't drinking coffee when I read your last post. It's a pain wiping sprayed coffee off a flat screen and printer.

Posted by: CowTown | October 20, 2005 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Bob S.,
Did you know "Hap" Shahan--out at the better [Brackettville...she inquired, using brackets] Alamo (not having visited the third Alamo at Dripping Springs, she said). For a minute there, I thought you were going to mention meeting Jones in San Saba. At the ranch.

And yes, I would very much like to hear about your shower with Sean Connery.

Posted by: Loomis | October 20, 2005 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Alas, the graphics didn't translate so well to the 'blog, but I moved it around on my end. Also very nice!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 20, 2005 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Bob S., I sat at a bar with John Lee Hooker myself, and bought him beer as well(no bourbon or scotch, though). Have his autograph (such as it is) on a bar napkin.

Also sang a capella with Bo Diddley and some other folks in front of National Airport at 7:30 in the AM. That was a lot of goofy fun.

I feel pretty lucky to have met and talked to some famous and interesting people in my life (including the BPH-ers), but meeting Mohammad Ali was my personal highlight.

mo's right. Famous people are usually a lot like us, but with less privacy.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 20, 2005 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Cowtown,
The last Peterman catlogue had a device to prevent orally spraying coffee on flat surfaces and computer equipment. Too bad you didn't order one before the J. Peterman mail order business went out of business.

And I'd love to hear any stories about showering with John O'Hurley if anyone has one?

Posted by: Loomis | October 20, 2005 10:37 PM | Report abuse

(Grins sheepishly) Alas, the shower story, like your pancake recipe, is not for sharing!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 20, 2005 10:38 PM | Report abuse

glad y'awl liked the cummings poem

i am not an automated robot posting comments

Posted by: loomis | October 20, 2005 10:40 PM | Report abuse

bob s., how do you know about grinning sheep?

Posted by: loomis | October 20, 2005 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Even though my name is no more than an Achenhandle, it's a true story, my one noted run-in with a flock of celebrites.

It must have been Thanksgiving weekend in 2000, when Sam Shepard's play "THe Late Henry Moss" was running in San Fancisco. Me and a writer buddy of mine went to attend as much thanks to the fine playwright Sammy Shepard as to the cast, including Sean Penn, Nick Nolte, Cheech Marin, and Woody Harrelson.

After the play, we caught a late dinner at a fancy restaurant. Me and my pal after oysters, bourbon, and bruschetta noticed Sean Penn striding around coddling oblivion with the nameless maitre d' and watched him searching for a place to smoke outside.

The place thinned out, and my pally's fermented courage lifted him from the table to catch the wandering Penn, who eventually came over to me and said "You wanted to ask me something?"

I said, "I liked you in We're No Angels."

I was starstruck and named probably his stupidest movie, when "The Hurlyburly" and his Henry Moss performance escaped.

As the night wore on we realized that we needed autographs and photographs, and finally just walked up to their table and said thanks to the dramatists for a good play. Beside Shepard was sitting his striking wife, the eminent Jessica Lange. Shepard is a genius: he cross-examined my pally in Spanish and put my feet to the fire on Pirandello's "THe Late Mattia Pascal" and "Henry VI." An animated Penn entertained everyone with an imitation of Barbara Streisand having sex with James Brolin.

Nolte showed up late and incognito, still in character from the play, walking with a cane. This is before that famous mugshot.

Cheech and Woody weren't there when we left. Woody maybe was bicycling down to Monterey.

Posted by: Jilm Willickers | October 20, 2005 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I saw that Carrot Top guy at an airport once. Weird eyebrows. I left him alone because, you know, I don't give a hoot. A Mom and her two skate-punk kids got pictures with him, however.

I saw George Jefferson -- um, Sherman Hemsley -- at the Houston Airport once. I left him alone.

And I saw John Waters on a flight from LA to Baltimore (he was in 1st), the day after my wife and I saw the Disney Electrical Parade, featuring Minnie Mouse starring in a rendition of the title song from Hairspray. Again, I left him alone. I doubt he would have wanted to be reminded of his lucrative humiliation, and that's all I would have wanted to talk with him about.

Posted by: Tim | October 20, 2005 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Actually, given that the Del Rio - San Angelo corridor is/was one of the last holdouts of the mohair production industry, perhaps I should grin goatishly.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 20, 2005 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Willickers, when I was a lad, celebrities lay so thick on the ground that we had to have little cow-catcher/snowplow thingies on the front of our Huffy bikes just to clear the sidewalks so we could get to the store for an Icee & some jawbreakers.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 20, 2005 10:54 PM | Report abuse

If you know goats, then I'm sure you know Rock Springs. And if you know mohair, then you are gen-u-ine!

Posted by: Loomis | October 20, 2005 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I hope you're happy Observer.

www.mojo-blog.blogspot.com

Posted by: jw | October 20, 2005 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I *heart* all these fine stories.

Posted by: TBG | October 20, 2005 11:09 PM | Report abuse

speaking of anger...

mayor ray nagin of new orleans is mad that san antonio mayor phil hardberger and former clinton administration cabinet member henry cisneros are trying to steal the new orleans saints by locating them to san antonio

san antonio mayor phil hardberger --tommy lee jones' former pappy-in-law--is mad that fema hasn't paid the alamo city the $3 to $4 million for its costs in sheltering victims of both hurricanes

brownie was mad that some lower emergency responder official with the state of louisina had to gall to interrupt him with news that thousands of evacuees were hungry and thirsty inside the superdome while he, brownie, was attempting to eat lunch in baton rouge

fema director mike chertoff was angry over the entire fema response and fixed the blame on brownie and other fema leaders, saying, "we certainly have to fill out the ranks of fema in terms of its senior level with experienced staff who can deal with all of the elements" of its mission. chertoff parried lawmakers' questions about why he worked from home Aug. 27, two days before the cat 4 storm hit, why he made a previously scheduled trip to atlanta on aug. 30, and why president bush stayed at his texas ranch until Aug. 31. speaking in classical bureaucratic doublespeak, chertoff fumed, "i don't think there was a sense of a lack of urgency." he expressed growing frustration at days of conflicting reports from the scene

president bush expressed growing frustration and anger with advisor karl rove immediately after rove's mishandling of conversations with reporters in june 2003 about valerie plames' cia ties

whoops

and my husband will be furious with me for not having dusted the entire house when he returns from his business trip tomorrow...

Posted by: loomis | October 20, 2005 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Bob S., my older brother used to have a Huffy with a banana seat, but old to me is two decades back in the era of Decepticons and Transformers, before emoticons. "Banana seats are for girls," the kids harrassed him. Funny he is the first out of the brood to get married.

I remember the days when "Endo" didn't refer to chronic weed, but when "Endo" meant balancing your bike on the front wheel, like orthogonal to the ground.

After snagging a cup of coffee on my way to an evening class, I crossed paths with Francis Ford Coppolla, with whom I share birthdays. A big gray-bearded Italian American stranger asked me directions to the School of Education auditorium and I pointed him where he needed to go. Moments later, as I shimmied the sleeve up my piping hot cup of Joe, it clicked with me. There were fliers everywhere for Coppola guest-speaker to talk about movies and stuff at 7:00 on THursday. I was late for my 7 o'clock class, and a dedicated fan of Coppola, so I hurried after him to pay tribute.

"Apocalyspe Now is my favorite movie." I told him on a staircase.

A true statement. It is still my favorite movie. WIth or without LSD, in times of peace and in times of war, Coppola made the movie than Orson Welles dreamed about.

He seemed surprise, which made sense, because most of the pedestrian straggling sycophants that he comes across never shut up about the "GOdfather."

Not to mention he went bankrupt making Apocalyspe Now, the filming lasting more than two years, Sheen's heartattack, Brando's high price and prominent ego, etc. (Heart of Darkness, documentrary on the making is telling)

THe funny thing now is that celebrities aren't worth celebrating unless they are artists. Does that explode the thread? I hope not. Perhaps now more than anything else so-called celebrities are known for the "causes celebres" they advocate. Like AIDS like PETA like the NRA like my left foot.

Posted by: Jilm Willickers | October 20, 2005 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I share a birthday with Taj Mahal, sine you mentioned him Bob S.

And I wouldn't mind sharing a shower with Sean Connery, if only to discuss my very distant great-grandfather, Llywelyn ap Iowerth.

Posted by: Loomis | October 20, 2005 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Willickers - Pulling the thread a little further out of the sweater:

There's a (I think this is pretty verifiable) story about Werner Herzog & Klaus Kinski on the set of "Fitzcarraldo"
--A little background: They had worked together several times. Herzog - very intense director. Kinski (father of Natassia) - a very weird & intense actor. "Fitzcarraldo" - Sorta based on the true story of an adventurer in the Amazon rain forest during the circa-1900 rubber boom. He (after failing at a number of things)is gonna make his fortune in rubber by hauling a steamship over the mountains to the river on which the town lies (thereby avoiding fierce locals), build a grand opera house, and have Caruso come sing. The fun began when Herzog decided that they needed to build a 4/5 replica of the boat and have the cast & crew ACTUALLY haul this thing over a jungle mountain for realism. The story of the filming is at least as fascinating as the real-life story. Jason Robards & Mick Jagger were part of the cast originally, but both had to leave because of hardship and/or interminable delays.

Anyway - Months into the production, Kinski says that he's walking out (and starts to do so), and Herzog pulls out a pistol, and says that the last thing he's ever going to do, after he kills Kinski, is to kill himself. THIS is fun filmmaking!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 20, 2005 11:58 PM | Report abuse

I rode in an elevator in Denver with Ray Charles once about 20 years ago. I didn't have the guts to say anything to him, but a woman the same age as me at the time (just out high school) introduced herself. They talked for a while. He was so kind, and down-to-earth, and dignified... I felt like I had met a truly remarkable human being, someone with a lot of aloha, as we'd say back home, and it still makes me happy to think about it. Later that night I heard him perform "America the Beautiful." What an amazing musician!

I walked by Rod McKinnon (2003 Nobel laureate in chemistry) in a university parking lot about a year ago. He had given a talk about his work earlier in the day, and at this point, I think he was going from lab to lab talking to different professors. He was unescorted, which surprised me somehow, he being a nobel prize winner and all, I guess I expected him to be escorted around. I also worked near Peter Agre, Rod McKinnon's co-winner that year, and he was a really nice guy, not arrogant at all, one of the most pleasant professors at the school. But maybe I shouldn't count these guys as famous. I don't know about you, but I couldn't remember the names of any of this year's winners. I had to look them up. I know who Britney Spears is, though.

Posted by: kt | October 21, 2005 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Linda - I often regret that I haven't paid more attention to some of the strands of my family history that my more geneologically-inclined relatives have unearthed. It's fun to feel the personal connection (as tenuous as it may be) to things that would interest you anyway.

"Llywelyn ap Iowerth" sounds pretty Welsh to me, but I'm quite willing to assume that you're aware of some connection with my Scots showermate!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 21, 2005 12:12 AM | Report abuse

kt - It's definitely the case that celebrity requires a frame. Britney Spears (even in her heyday) could easily go unnoticed at most retirement homes, and Karl Rove isn't recognized much outside of his home state and the D.C. area. I've gotten the distinct impression that most authors & academicians are only recognized when interest in their presence has been heightened for some reason.

I imagine that they prefer it that way, for the most part. I'm dead certain that I would.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 21, 2005 12:25 AM | Report abuse

You're probably right, Bob S. Can you imagine hundreds of screaming young women following Peter Agre around in East Baltimore carrying models of aquaporin and asking him to sign reprints of his latest big hit, "Purification and functional characterization of Aquaporin-8"? He might enjoy it for a day, though.

Posted by: kt | October 21, 2005 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Family trees are more willow than redwood, so don't go out on a limb for the world-historical unless you're more preoccupied with the pride of hindsight than the humility of vision.

On the other hand, if you know your place, you might as well tell the world.

I hail from Irish immigrant coalminers and German brewmeisters on the Ohio river. On the other side of the family, The "Irish Jew" Mahoney, tailor of butt-less chaps, went bankrupt during the depression, and headed south from New York.

I've been around and lived in DC for a year and Northern Calif. for four, for a young pup, in my days. The mountains, the bays, and the rivers make us. A family name is for the next generation to ponder. Do 'em proud.

Posted by: Jilm Willickers | October 21, 2005 12:58 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand this obsession with famous people. I'm with you Tim - leave 'em alone.

Posted by: huh? | October 21, 2005 2:07 AM | Report abuse

I once traveled on a plane from New York to Chicago with Perry Como. He was in First Class, of course, and we in coach but everyone whispered and pointed. He didn't sing but we all hoped he would. (I know that dates me but it was a celebrity sighting.)

bdl

Posted by: boondocklurker | October 21, 2005 3:04 AM | Report abuse

Linda, I just wanted to say thanks for pointing out those lovely angry people in your post. You should read the transcript of the testimony of the only FEMA person in New Orleans when Katrina struck. He received an email at one point after the hurricane from one of Brown's peons asking to allow Brown more time to eat dinner due to traffic, wait staff and whatnot while everyone in the Superdome was without food, water and toilets. Major anger in Louisiana is surfacing over these new details. And then there's the whole issue of the traitorous owner of the Saints...

Posted by: peanutgallerymember | October 21, 2005 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Catching up from yesterday (I took the afternoon off, which is hazardous when you are a compulsive 'boodler) I have these things to say:

Janet Jackson, standing in front of us in line, touched my stroller back in 1985 at Disneyland for the opening of the Michael Jackson ride. I remember none of it.

I'm jealous of jw's Steven Tyler siting, as he is my favorite rocker.

Ha! to the post by irregardless about Kenny Rogers/Loggins.

Posted by: Sara | October 21, 2005 9:31 AM | Report abuse

There'll be a new kit later this ayem.
I would never steer the boodle back toward any particular topic, but there's a rash of stories today about the botched Miers nomination and the White House in disarray as everyone braces for indictments. On CBS radio, David Gergen said that this is a White House that has almost completely collapsed. The Post has a story that all but says the same. And Chuck Babington has a piece on how everything has gone wrong so far on the Miers front. This is from Babington:

"Miers had no more luck when she met Monday with committee Chairman Arlen Specter (R-Pa.). Specter told reporters that Miers had embraced the Supreme Court's 1965 Griswold v. Connecticut decision that was a precursor to Roe . Within minutes of his comments making the news wires, Miers phoned Specter to say he had misunderstood her.

Specter publicly agreed to accept her comments, but he stuck to his version of the visit, and Senate insiders said they are surprised that the nominee stumbled into a public dispute with the committee chairman during their first substantial conversation."

A lot of commentators seem to attribute all the WH problems to Rove being distracted by the leak investigation. I doubt the WH depends so fully on one person, but there's no doubt that the place seems to be on quite a roll, almost as if it's in a competition with the leadership of The New York Times to see who can appear to be more incompetent and befuddled.

My kit later will be a bunch of time-saving tips.

Posted by: Achenbach | October 21, 2005 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for your post, peanutgallerymember.

I was trying to allude last night--late--to the story of Marty Bahamonde--but flubbed it a little when I said Brownie was upset that his lunch plans were being upset by Bahamonde's e-mail. The story is on page one of our local paper this morning. One 'graph explains it in encapsulated form:

"Bahamonde had just learned as he huddled in the Superdome with tens of thousands of New Orleans' residents, driven from their homes, that Brown's press secretary was fretting about blocking out time for the director to eat dinner at one of Baton Rouge's busy restaurants that night."

And of course, my error that Rove spoke with reporters about Valerie Plame in June 2003, should have been July. The humorous accounting of this is over at filmmaker Michael Moore's website. Froomkin may have called that out in his column yesterday, but I was all over the Web yesterday afternoon, so it's hard to recall what writer/website alerted me to it.

(Just as I said not long ago that the first Thanskgiving was in 1622. I thought someone would catch that--it was 1621.)

But what truly caught my eye yesterday and the night before is how the alternate media are really getting a jump on MSM. Several days ago, rawstory.com had John Hannah properly fingered, shall we say, only for the WaPo and NYT to play catch-up. rawstory has also mentioned another Cheney aide, David Wurmser.

But it was the WaPo's Froomkin who was right on top of the Lawrence Wilkerson story yesterday. I could hardly wait until the full transcript of his remarks were web-posted. Doubt if the Wilkerson story will ever run in our local paper.

Posted by: Loomis | October 21, 2005 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Is this a case of Bush making the obligatory nomination of a woman to replace Sandra?

It seems like no only does she have sketchy qualifications to be a Supreme, she has problems answering basic questions about herself.

Maybe she is being set up to fail so that they can say they tried to nominate a woman. Am I being too cynical?

Posted by: TV Presenter | October 21, 2005 9:59 AM | Report abuse

SCC:
It seems like no
It seems like not

Posted by: TV Presenter | October 21, 2005 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I need some time saving tips, I am tired of Miers Rove, scooter and all of that other political crap. And please take me out a shoot me if my brain deteriorates to the point where I visit Michael Moore's web site.

Posted by: LB | October 21, 2005 10:05 AM | Report abuse

My actor/actress trivia knowledge is spotty at best. Thanks to Bob S. last night for pointing out that Sean Connery is Scot, not Welsh. Googled it to learn Connery was born in Edinburgh. Thanks, Bob S.

Posted by: Loomis | October 21, 2005 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Expect Joel's timesaving tips to be humorous, not helpful. Consider that his best "gas-saving tip" was: always buy $20 worth of gas. That way, the price always stays the same.

I think about that whenever I go to the gas station--which isn't so often these days since I'm riding my bike to work! In fact, I've only bought gas once in the month of October, and I was laughing--sorry, but schadenfreude is human--at the SUV people.

Posted by: Reader | October 21, 2005 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Reader, there is a small part of me that really is annoyed when you say you bought only one tank of gas. All I can say is that my Focus is ok, on gas and can climb my hill,and certainly still allows me some laughter at SUVers, but Dear Child of mine, can I have my Honda back?

Posted by: dr | October 21, 2005 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I actually follow Joel's "only $20 of gas at a time" rule. I did that before he mentioned it. Yes, it makes no sense, but I'm able to fool myself sometimes. And I only allow myself so much gas money a month, so this keeps it in control.

Posted by: Sara | October 21, 2005 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I actually follow Joel's "only $20 of gas at a time" rule. I did that before he mentioned it. Yes, it makes no sense, but I'm able to fool myself sometimes. And I only allow myself so much gas money a month, so this keeps it in control.

Posted by: Sara | October 21, 2005 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Time-saving tips for the Bush administration?

Posted by: Bayou Self | October 21, 2005 11:14 AM | Report abuse

BY "MEAN-SPIRITED SENATORS" DO YOU MEAN THE 'REPUGNANT PARTY' SENATORS? YES OR NO!

Posted by: SMARTIE | October 21, 2005 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Hush, hush, dear one. No need to shout.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 21, 2005 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Picky persnickety?!? She is being nominated for the highest court in the nation. She needs to be qualified and knowledgeable. Of course if you wandered the street you couldn't find anyone that knows the text of the act but a Supreme Court justice should be held to a higher standard than random passers by! Wow, what an extremely unintelligent article.

Posted by: Law Student | October 21, 2005 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Poor, poor Law Student. No one let him/her in on the joke! Perhaps he/she better stick to the law and leave humor alone!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 21, 2005 3:20 PM | Report abuse

bc,

Check plus plus on your questionnaire. Best thing I've read here for months!

JAG

Posted by: JAG | October 21, 2005 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Dear All,

I've so enjoyed lurking today, but Loomis' comment about being descended from Llewellyn ap Iowerth made me sit up. Me, too. I can't get enough of the guy. Of course, I have to admit to Edward I, for the sake of honesty (boo! hiss!), but Llewellyn? And his nephew? Historical bliss...

And Bob S., I loved the memories of my San Angelo/Goodfellow AFB days your comments about west Texas brought back. Goats, sheep... it's all good!

Posted by: Melangell | October 21, 2005 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Still no indictments...tap, tap, tap...

Posted by: Caged Rabbit | October 21, 2005 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't it seem funny that the very people who will be making fun of Harriet's anticipated responses (e.g., you and me) really don't understand the nuances of the questions to begin with? I'm not a constitutional scholar (although I am married to one -- really), and I certainly won't be able to answer either. It just seems silly that I know I'll hear smart aleck criticisms of her intellect from people who themselves could not answer the questions. The tone they'll take will be "well, everyone knows that!" Of course we have a right to expect her to be able to answer fully and thoughtfully, but let's not act like Alex Trebec (sp?), who often seems smug about knowing the "question" but shouldn't be because of course he has it provided to him. Maybe we'll judge her performance to be significantly intelligent if the discussion rises to the level where we have no idea what the heck she is talking about, but it sounds impressive. That'll work. (John Kerry did that alot.) I think there was some movie that used that theme...can't remember the title.

And Joel, I used to think the WH could handle many things at one time. But over time, things have become consolidated, like a bunch of streams redirected so that they all go through fewer channels. When those channels gets bogged down, everything else does, too. That's what happens when you consolidated power and authority and initiatives.

Posted by: ISO Normal | October 22, 2005 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Re: WH only being able to do one thing at a time or depending on Rove for everything. I've always thought the slow WH response to Katrina was in part due to Rove having kidney stone problems at the time and being in the hospital.

bdl

Posted by: boondocklurker | October 22, 2005 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Harriet Miers nomination for the Supreme Court has got everyone screaming "wrong, wrong," and why is that? The woman professes to be a Christian. That alone might get her hung from the highest tree,especially by the crowd that hates God, and His only begotten, Jesus. And then you have the conservatives that say she is not up to the job because, they can't find any hard core over the top views that she will try to make law instead of passing judgements according to law. Either way she swings, every one seems to want her head on a platter. And now these same folks are asking her to put her head on that platter. Politics, nasty stuff.

Posted by: Cassandra S | October 22, 2005 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, JAG.

It I would have felt a lot better if TypePad hadn't freaked out on me when I posted it.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 24, 2005 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Pop quiz? Try final exam. My concern is that she will fail it, but be passed on to the next grade anyway, at which point she will be forced to copy off another student, and the student she chooses will be little more capable himself.

Posted by: Scott N | October 24, 2005 3:45 PM | Report abuse

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