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The Fabulator 5000, and Fast Food Farming

   I love my new food printer, the Fabulator 5000, which makes the previous food printers look not just clunky but positively medieval. There's no more click-and-point nonsense on the screen, no more waiting five or six interminable minutes for the food to print. You just tell the Fab 5 what you want. The food comes out in about three or four seconds, complete with garnish and a complementary wine. My only complaint is that, even with all the technological wizardry, the burgers still have a slight taste of toner.

    Is it as good as store-bought? It's better. Printed food is fresher than something that has spent many hours sitting in a produce bin or wrapped in plastic. But I miss the ritual of going to the supermarket, particularly that weird feeling of power you'd get when you first grabbed the shopping cart. The manly pride of knowing that, when it came to handling a cart, you could really make it purr. And in the checkout line, you'd skim a tabloid, devouring tales of uncontrolled celebrity mating, and then put it back, because you were too sophisticated to buy such trash.

   [Click here to read the entire column. Some jokes may conceivably be associated at a deep genetic level with humorisms in the recent column on manfood, or with those of a 2001 online column, now vanished from any known archive, containing the following paragraph: "People are being terrorized by breakfast, lunch and dinner. Food is poison. Food is filth. Food is full of salmonella furiously searching for a place to spawn.... I personally have switched to a diet comprised entirely of unfertilized and unsprayed grasses grown in my backyard. The new rule: Eat only that which can be mowed."]

   [Or, if you are in the mood for actual journalism, read Von Drehle on Rumsfeld.]

By Joel Achenbach  |  November 13, 2005; 4:41 PM ET
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Then come the questions...

Joel, do you print your pickles whole or sliced?

Posted by: Dolphin Michael | November 13, 2005 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Pickles are best when you print them whole, then put them through the shredder. Use one of those spiffy confetti shredders for relish.

Posted by: Tim | November 13, 2005 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Joel,

Just wanted to let you know that we all still talking about the Fescue Paprikash that you brought Meggie's last covered dish affair!

A couple of people actually suggested that you and the wife had ordered it up ready to go from Whole Foods.

That dish very well may be the next big hit at Nora's.

Posted by: Dolphin Michael | November 13, 2005 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Okay, the lights are back on in Florida, Rough Draft is back in the magazine, and all's right with the world...

(So it's a limited worldview. But it works if you work it.)

Posted by: Reader | November 13, 2005 6:19 PM | Report abuse


What a nice nostalgic reminiscence of the good old days of genetically engineered food. Remember when we used to actually eat printed food?

Now the only choice is what color food pill we take. Sometimes my family likes to stand by the sink and raise our glasses together as we swallow our food pills, just to remember what those meals around the table were like.

Then we start up our jet packs and take off.

Ahhhh... the 21st Century.

Posted by: TBG | November 13, 2005 7:19 PM | Report abuse

So... the Attorney General's race in Virginia is down to a 410-vote difference, with Republican McConnell in the lead so far.

Those of you Virginians who didn't get a chance to vote last Tuesday (and you know who you are) remember these two words next year:

Absentee Voting

You can vote absentee if your work hours will keep you from getting to the polls on Election Day, not just if you're out of town.


OK.. my rant is over (please note the all caps AND the exclamation points!). Thank you for your time.

Posted by: TBG | November 13, 2005 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Ha! JA's article made me chuckle (I needed that after a heartbreaking last-minute loss by the Redskins). It made me snicker because the last part hit a little too close to home.

When I first moved into 'youse' country, my kids second grade class hatched chickens. When they were done, the teacher asked who lived on a farm and might like to take them home. Guess who raised their hand?
So, this teacher did not asked who lived on a 'real' farm. She did not ask if they had a place to properly raise chickens. She did not ask if the very recently suburbanite parents knew the first thing about live poultry!

We raised them indoors for weeks (they are only cute for about 1.5 days). Then, I had to build a Taj Mahal of a chicken coop (did I mention my complete lack of knowledge?).

When all of this was done, I overheard the kids talking one day. They wanted to name these semi-flightless birds.
That was too much for me to take. In a weak moment of non-parenting skills, I interuppted rather abruptly. I said: "No way, I did the work, I get to name them. That one is 'BBQ', the one over there is 'Cordon Blue', and the puny one over in the corner is 'Nugget'".

That was a few years back. Only one of the original group is still alive. 'Henny', 'Seashell', and the rest f the dearly departed all had proper burials in our pet cemetary. Not a single one made it to our dinner table...

Posted by: esskay | November 13, 2005 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I remember that online column, Joel!

I'd add that there are some related humorisms in Douglas Adams' "Resturant at the End of the Universe", and Margaret Atwood's "Oryx and Crake", and Woody Allen's "Sleeper" to name a few.

We find the idea of genetically engineered plants and animals creepy, but what does your man in the basement George Washington think about the chemically- and genetically assisted agricultural products we accept today?

Note: I restrained myself from making any "Soylent Green" references here, other than to note that my favorite color is blue.

Posted by: bc | November 13, 2005 9:05 PM | Report abuse

SCC: of (not f), and cemetery.
See what happens when you talk (type) too much...

Posted by: esskay | November 13, 2005 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Methinks 'tis a George of another name in his basement. Mayhaps he be a Jetson...

Posted by: esskay | November 13, 2005 9:19 PM | Report abuse

TBG, I'm from the state that had the closest race for governor ever - came down to 100 votes or so difference. Every time they did a recount, the totals were different. Very ugly - so yes, everyone needs to vote.

I haven't switched to absentee voting yet - I kind of like knowing my ballot at least made it into the box. Election reform - one of those boring issues that really needs to get attention.

One thing I wonder about is with the mobility in this country, how valid are the voter rolls? When turnout is reported, is it possible it's higher simply because people have moved but didn't update their voter registration? Is there a way to update that without violating privacy? I know, they could implant a chip...

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 13, 2005 9:52 PM | Report abuse

bc writes:
"...but what does your man in the basement George Washington think about the chemically- and genetically assisted agricultural products we accept today?"

Heck, bc, what would Rachel Greene think of the fact that women can be schooled to read and write? That women can go to college and obtain advanced degrees and have professions? That women can be entitled to hold property? That women can divorce, with no-fault on anyone's part?

That women can vote? That women can campaign and hold not only elective office, but can be a representative of large numbers of people in Congress or on the Supreme Court.

That women don't have to spend the better part of the day in the kitchen? That there are things called appliances and microwaves?

That there is birth control? That women can plan for the arrival of their children? That some women deemed infertile can conceive? That women have the right to say "No."

That women can drive automobiles? That women can fly into outer space? That women's spirits are free to soar?

Posted by: Loomis | November 13, 2005 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Hi Linda: "That there is birth control? That women can plan for the arrival of their children? That some women deemed infertile can conceive? That women have the right to say "No." "

Actually, women -- at least, women of affluent classes in an affluent society -- used to have more of the 1st and 2nd of these rights than they did in the past couple centuries. Number 3, not so much; number 4 is arguable.

There was a cool article in Archaeology magazine about 10-12 years ago about a remarkable plant, now sadly extinct. It was a relative to modern pennyroyal, it grew in North Africa, and it was widely known as an extremely effective oral or suppository contraceptive and abortifacient. As Rome became an ascendant cosmopolitan power around 1800--2000 years ago, women began increasingly to accrue de facto rights. Although technically the old way of doing things persisted on paper, women of means could maintain their own personal wealth using sham marriages, employing a 'husband' as an agent; they could divorce gold-digger husbands; they certainly had the ability to refuse to marry. Their rights were not as unfettered as what women know today, but Rome was on a path toward a conception of real personal liberty and something like gender equality. Larger forces stunted and eventually ended that progress before it became openly acknowledged.

As in the modern world, as women gained access to education and began to practice individual human rights, the ability to control fertility became very important to women. Infant mortality rates probably also had been falling, though I don't know for sure. Childbirth was a much more dangerous event then than it is in urban societies today, so unnecessary childbirth was something to be strictly avoided. The extinct herb, whose name I cannot recall, was gigantically in demand. It proved difficult to farm, and so continued to be gathered from the wild. Eventually, it was picked into oblivion. Pennyroyal, so I have heard, is reputed to provide some of the same effects, but without nearly the effectiveness of its extinct cousin, and with side effects that reputedly were absent or ignorable in the ancient treatment. If I recall some of the article's contents correctly, part of the difficulty in trying now to identify modern survivors of this ancient and important herb is that the knowledge was shared almost exclusively among women, not men, but men were the ones with access and social motivation to write books and record information.

Posted by: Tim | November 13, 2005 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I just googled "pennyroyal birth control" and found right away a fairly authoritative-seeming e-book. I wonder how much is accurate, how much is pseudo-science? Abortifacients are not something that Western science would seem to really want to investigate carefully -- the consequences of effectiveness and of ineffectiveness are quite undesirable, so it tends to have trouble with the Hippocratic oath, I'd think.

Posted by: Tim | November 13, 2005 11:01 PM | Report abuse

mostlylurking- When I lived in Del Rio, TX, there was a case that addressed exactly the issue of validity of absentee ballots. Del Rio's pretty small, and historically VERY Democratic, votewise. Because Texas has no state income tax, lots of folks move away (usually after moving into the area because of military service) with no intention of returning, but retain Texas as their legal residence as long as possible.

One year (1996, I think, but within a year or two) there was a concerted effort by the local Republicans to contact out-of-state registered voters and send them absentee ballots. This effort ended up being sufficient to swing the election of the first Republican sheriff in Del Rio in approximately 100 years.

A challenge was mounted as to whether these folks had any right to vote in local elections at all, and eventually got to the US Supreme Court. Essentially, the decision was that if a citizen has the valid right to vote in a jurisdiction, and hasn't voted in a different jurisdiction (in which the voter might also have the right to vote), then the vote stands.

When the legislature (serially, both the Texas legislature, and then the US Congress) took up the issue in order to clarify, they both quickly came to realize that any rulemaking which might serve to disenfranchise military veterans was a REALLY bad idea! Thus, if someone can reasonably claim a right to vote in one jurisdiction (e.g. place of birth, property ownership, residence for tax purposes, etc.), without having voted elsewhere, the right to vote absentee will probably stand.

Posted by: Bob S. | November 13, 2005 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Tim - Surely you jest? You must be a relatively young person. I will grant you that since Reagan was elected president, that the economics of abortifacients have been iffy in the U.S., so there's been little reason to introduce or market products here. But the medical community as a broad (worldwide) entity has long since come to the conclusion that this is a knotty issue, and not one where Hippocrates gives any firm guidance.

There's lots of well-thought-out philosophical discussion of this, but the general gist historically is that only temporary political movements come down firmly on one side or the other of the ease of access to abortifacients. The harm done by extreme ease of access tends to be at least roughly balanced by the harm done by lack of access, in the eyes of most medical observers at most times.

Posted by: Bob S. | November 13, 2005 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Tim - It occurs to me that you had a more specific question and point. Yes, there's not as much research right now as there has been at other times, but research is ongoing. It's probably safe to assume that no herb is as effective and (relatively) free of sideaffects as RU-486 and a couple of other prescription options. And we can safely assume that if it turned out that the proper internal application of Coca-Cola would cause a miscarriage with relatively few sideaffects, then the sale of either Coca-Cola or the necessary rubber tubing would be restricted shortly. (Sigh)

Posted by: Bob S. | November 13, 2005 11:39 PM | Report abuse

What's with the gingerbread man humping something in the milk or whatever it is? Enough is enough!

Posted by: markwa | November 13, 2005 11:46 PM | Report abuse

L. Loomis - I can think of a few Rachel Greene's, but were you referring the Rachel Greene who was the daughter of Richard Greene & Mary Hooker (c. 1596-1656)? Or someone a little more contemporary?

Posted by: Bob S. | November 13, 2005 11:53 PM | Report abuse

MarkWa - I feel that I'm missing something very important here! Wazzup wit' the gingerbread man?

Posted by: Bob S. | November 13, 2005 11:55 PM | Report abuse

I was making a joke about your Rachel Greene, but after doing a little math, and thinking about it, I'm guessing that they are fairly closely related.

Posted by: Bob S. | November 14, 2005 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Loomis - Ahhhh... I've figured it out. Rachel Greene - same chick! You and I are vaguely related! If and when I sort it out, I'll fill you in.

Posted by: Bob S. | November 14, 2005 12:17 AM | Report abuse

It's LONG past my bedtime, but I actually checked in (hours ago) to share this thought:

I think that the article about Google by David Vise in the Sunday WashPo was superb! Google is a fascinating concept/business/thing.

Posted by: Bob S. | November 14, 2005 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Let's not forget the unfinished business for the "boodle" concerning the poor and unacceptable treatment of a woman of color by a colleague who fancies herself some sort of censor of this blog. The censor's belief was that this woman, who has posted intermittently for weeks, is a made-up persona --this from someone who needs three (really four, and more handles to take up space apply controls. Even if so, that's no reason to trash her story for reasons that are discriminatory. But as the censor herself speculates, most of us don't doubt Omududu's authenticity. See the end of the comments on the kit before this one (yesterday). We must put a stop to this rude and nonPC nonsense.

Posted by: omnigasm | November 14, 2005 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Actually, omnigasm, the intraboodle squabbles aren't interesting. It's over. Move on.

Posted by: Achenbach | November 14, 2005 9:05 AM | Report abuse

omnigasm, you should know that Achenfan and Loomis have special dispensation from JA to be rude and cruel at will.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 14, 2005 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Let's discuss in brief the history of contraception down through the ages:

First, any disorder women experienced was treated by "treatment" of the reproductive organs:
Anemia, "hysteria," insanity, "criminality" were treted by sexual surgery.

There are those cases where the remedy was worse than the unwanted pregnancy:

In Japan, women swallowed a mixture of mercury, a horsefly and a leech, "the whole boiled to a pulp, and taken as soon as it has come to a boil." An alternative for those wothout asbestos throats, the infusion consisted of turnips in large quantities lightly fricasseed with monkey's brains in cold water and silvering from mirrors.

There were the dung methods (too soon after breakfast), but I won't go into them, except for one example:
Some mid-1800s Egyptian vaginal plugs were made from honey and crocodile dung.

There were other barrier methods:
Countless other ingredients were used--yoke of an egg, foam from a camel's mouth, walnut leaves, saffron, onion, peppermint, dried roots, seaweed, rags, opium, and grass--were used in different parts of the world to form plugs. Then there's Casanova's "golden ball"...ouch!

Then there were the locomotion expulsion techniques...coughing, sneezing, jumping about, or even rushing outsiude for a roll in the snow to expel or freeze "the liquid." There were other techniques in this category as well...

Then there were the passive techniques:
Women wore amulets around their necks to ward off insemination and these pendants included the tooth of a dead child, a verse of the Koran, or the left testicle of a weasel taken alive before the moon went down.

Barrier devices of the male kind weren't much better for a woman's health, but the idea of them was to protect the man from diseases of the time:
These, consisting of linen, gut, the cecum of sheep, fish membrane, leather, tortoise shell or horn were hardly aids to the pleasures of love.

For more details, see pp. 244-247 of "Who Cooked the Last Supper? The Women's History of the World" by Rosalind Miles.

Posted by: Loomis | November 14, 2005 9:33 AM | Report abuse

How can you not love a boodle that contains the phrase, "the left testicle of a weasel taken alive before the moon went down."

Posted by: TBG | November 14, 2005 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I've got my weasel pinned down, but I need clarification before I proceed. Is that my left or the weasel's left?

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 14, 2005 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Don't sever YOUR left. Hint: It's the weasel's left.

Posted by: Loomis | November 14, 2005 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Sara... saw your blog. Congratulations! (Actually, the correct thing to say would be "Best wishes!")

I guess you had a pretty good vacation, eh?

Posted by: TBG | November 14, 2005 10:06 AM | Report abuse

It sounds like Joel has been interviewing too many genetic engineers lately.

Posted by: LB | November 14, 2005 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm... Do race and gender actually exist in this forum as anything other than fanciful concepts? Certainly they have to be explicitly created and expressed to exist here at all.

Posted by: Bob S. | November 14, 2005 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Of course it's the weasel's gonad, but if he's on his back facing me, is it his left or- oh never mind. I'll just take both. It was hard enough finding a weasel in the this town in the first place. Seems like they're all out campaigning or under indictment.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 14, 2005 10:47 AM | Report abuse

We are living in the future
I'll tell you how I know
I read it in the paper
Fifteen years ago

We're all driving rocket ships
And talking with our minds
Wearing turquoise jewelry
And standing in soup lines
We are standing in soup lines

John Prine - Living in the Future

Posted by: Bayou Self | November 14, 2005 10:56 AM | Report abuse

File this one under "Daze of Futures Passed":

I enjoyed the article, and my kids do enjoy perusing my old record collection.

I can't help but look at that picture of Ian Anderson and think:

"Sitting on a park bench, eyeing little girls with bad intent..."

Funny how stuff like that comes back to haunt us.

On a side note, I keep a picture of Pete Townsend over my desk. Bald, grey, but doing one of those legs-together leaps with the red Strat in hand. There's a yellow sticky note below it that says; "I hope I die before I get old."

I'm holding off on posting about the Google stuff, because I suspect that JA's going to Kit on it.


Posted by: bc | November 14, 2005 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Joel's satiric piece yesterday is timely...

Transgenetics en mi mesa? No! (slogan on the side of the balloon--Transgenetics on my table? NO!)

Activists float hot-air balloon over Mexico City in anti-genetically modified food campaign

The Associated Press

Greenpeace on Sunday tethered a hot-air balloon over the sprawling, historic city center of Mexico's capital to grab the public's attention as part of an educational campaign about the use of transgenetic crops by major food producers.

The green, red and white balloon hovered across from the national palace and near the country's cathedral in a public plaza that fills with visitors on weekends.

The message "Transgenetics, not on my table!" was printed across the balloon, next to a depiction of a pair of hands holding a knife and fork.

Arteli Carreon, who is coordinating the biotech product information campaign for Greenpeace Mexico, said 31 genetic modifications had been approved in this country for use in corn, soy, potatoes, tomatoes, canola oil and alfalfa -- but that many food companies do not label products that have been altered or contain altered substances.

"Trangenetics are present in two out of every three products sold at the supermarket," Carreon said. "Most of the population doesn't know that."

She said scientists don't know for sure if eating genetically modified foods is harmful for humans.

"No one can guarantee that the consumption of these foods won't hurt the consumer as well as the environment in the medium or long term," Carreon said.

Walking near the balloon, Emilio Mendoza said he had never before heard of biotech food products.

"This is important because it's one's health," he said, adding that many food producers "are only interested in increasing sales. One's health doesn't interest them much."

This summer, a study by government and academic scientists found no trace of genetically altered corn in southern Mexico -- four years after reports of its discovery there caused concerns that a modified intruder could contaminate the birthplace of maize.

But the findings reflect only recent conditions, not necessarily future trends, concluded the study, done in the Sierra de Juarez region in the southern state of Oaxaca, the same mountainous area where researchers found evidence of transgenic corn contamination in 2000.

The origins of corn can be traced back to Mexico, where 59 different species survive.

Three key questions about genetically modified organisms:

Since genetic engineering in crops was introduced for commercial production in 1996, scientific research has centered on three key issues:

Are GMOs safe for human consumption? The bulk of research says yes, but critics say the data is tainted by biotech-industry funding and risks are rarely studied.

Do GMOs spread from one field to the next through pollination? Possibly, but the studies are as controversial as they are contradictory.

Do GMOs reduce pesticide and herbicide use? Initially yes, but nature takes its course as fields become more productive yet also less resistant to weeds and pests.

Posted by: Loomis | November 14, 2005 11:13 AM | Report abuse

As JA's article implies that which we knew: all you really need is...........legumes.

Posted by: dr | November 14, 2005 11:18 AM | Report abuse

We members of People for the Ethical Treatment of Non-sentient Lifeforms object strenuously to your callous depiction of animals rendered from soy protein. Further, we find nothing amusing about your barbaric treatment of lima beans and coleslaw, all for the purpose of cheap laughs. Your actions exemplify the cruel disregard humans have for beings lacking hands, feet, mouths, or brains. Why can't you just pick on Congress. Same difference. Shame on you.

Posted by: MadCow | November 14, 2005 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, TBG. It's updated now with a picture and a date.

And yes. Best. Vacation. Ever. I didn't think we'd get engaged while I was there. I thought that would come later once we were back in the same state in January. Everyone is so excited! Jeremy and I more than anyone.

Now. I missed a lot while I was gone last week. I'm gonna try and catch up.

Posted by: Sara | November 14, 2005 11:35 AM | Report abuse


Welcome back. Happy Belated Birthday. And Best Wishes. Big month for you, eh?

Posted by: CowTown | November 14, 2005 11:46 AM | Report abuse

bc - Thanks for that link! (For those of you who may have passed it by, go back -- it's just a couple-few posts north of here -- and give it a read. It's a lengthy, fun-to-read look at how a growing number of teens are getting into their parents' rock music. It also uses the phrase "couple-few" somewhere in a quote.)

Ian Anderson looks pretty good in that picture.

My children aren't yet of age for my old rock music. But will they someday start poking through the old CDs, tapes and record albums? Will there still be any turntables or tape players around on which to play those tapes and albums? Will CD players still be around, come to think of it? Or will we have to buy everything anew, in a modern format of the future that we couldn't begin to even wildly guess at right now?

And will they like my old music? When they get a taste of Jethro Tull, starting slowly with some flute and keyboard and then cranking full-tilt as they do Locomotive Breath, or Eric Clapton hitting the opening notes of Layla, or Led Zepplin's Jimmy Paige or the Rolling Stone's Keith Richards starting one of their famous songs with a signature guitar riff, will the kids still dig it? Or will they wonder why anyone would bother with a guitar when they can so easily make "better" sounds, complete with samplings and other transformations, with their iLegumes?

Posted by: Bayou Self | November 14, 2005 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Re: foodstuffs

"She [Arteli Carreon of Greenpeace] said scientists don't know for sure if eating genetically modified foods is harmful for humans."


What an inaccurately broad statement! Actually, scientists know for certain that eating some genetically modified foods is harmful (even lethal. Some mycotoxins are more common in corn hybrids with tight husks, because of the better environment for some grain molds, and some plants are created specifically to produce toxins), while eating others is harmless (corn and wheat are genetically modified grasses, eaten and continually modified for thousands of years with relatively few terrible sideaffects), and for the great majority of recently modified foods there's less certainty one way or another.

Of course the same can be said for the ingestion of nearly any chemical substance. After all, the survival rate of doing ANYTHING is precisely zero, eventually.

Posted by: Bob S. | November 14, 2005 11:51 AM | Report abuse

My teenage son loves "classic rock," which means that, in turn, I tend to like the new stuff that he introduces me to. It's fun to have your teenager fill your iPod for you. Leads to some interesting listening.

Speaking of my son, yesterday he came home from a study session for a group school project and said, "There were four of us there, and we are as completely different from each other as possible. It was awesome."

What a great thing to hear him say; I felt like I'd done something right.

Posted by: TBG | November 14, 2005 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Bob S., I like to say that life is invariably fatal.

Glad you liked that link, Bayou.
Ian does look pretty good, better than I would had I lived that life, I 'spect. I'd have been long dead by now, a tragic death by misadventure, floating face down in a pool (feel free to speculate "of what?"), just like the song says.


Posted by: bc | November 14, 2005 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Yup, huge month for me. Really the best birthday ever.

Posted by: Sara | November 14, 2005 12:12 PM | Report abuse

kguy, the weasel's left or your left - hah!

CowTown, again you have written a masterful comment, with an appropriate name.

bc, thanks for the link. I didn't impose "my" music on my kid as he was growing up. But he did like Loreena McKennitt and Celtic-influenced music in general. Then I dragged him to a U2 concert in 1997 during their techno phase and turned him into a fan. I could tell when my U2 CD's would go missing, along with Pink Floyd and the Verve (Bittersweet Symphony).

I was an early Tull fanatic - This Was, Stand Up, Benefit. During the '80's I got fixated on Andean folk music, and finally realized that the sound of the zampona's, the breathy flute sound, where they try to capture the sound of the wind, was what Ian Anderson's flute sounded like.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 14, 2005 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Bayou Self, I started my grandkids on my "old music" (jazz, swing, opera, classical, rock, doo-wop, pop, Latino, bluegrass, gospel, broadway musicals, and so on) when they were infants. I never said "Ok, girls, listen to this" or specifically brought attention to the music, just always had it playing in the background to whatever activity we were indulging. What a thrill when 4 yr. old Hilary began singing along with Pavrotti's Finniculi finnicula, la la la la la, finniculi finnicula!!while playing with her tea set, or when I caught Angela tap dancing on my coffee table to the Andrews Sisters "Hold tight! Hold tight! Tahpurrrreeeackysacky, want some seafood, mama!" They liked Eric Clapton's Layla by the way, but don't care for the Stones at all. They dig early Elvis, Fats Domino, Les Paul and Mary Ford. I play fair - I listen to their music as well.

If you play the music, they will come.

Posted by: Nani | November 14, 2005 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I have daughters 15 & 19 and they like some of my old music. I took my eldest to an Eagles concert last year and she really enjoyed it. I think there is some good stuff still being produced these days especially Foo Fighters. That's why I listen to Sirius channel 18 the spectrum. They play a mix of the new and the old.

Posted by: LB | November 14, 2005 12:29 PM | Report abuse

And yeah TBG my daughter loaded my iPod shuffle with Led Zepplin, Green Day, Foos, Beatles, etc. Quite a mix.

Posted by: LB | November 14, 2005 12:32 PM | Report abuse

My 16 year old loves the Beatles (White Album in particular), Elton John, Supertramp, and Simon & Garfunkel. Hates eighties music in all forms. She introduced me to Keane, Lady of Peace (?), and "early" Green Day. We'll both see Guster when they're in town next. Other than that, she loves ear-shattering speed metal. Go figure.

Posted by: CowTown | November 14, 2005 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Related to the Fabulator 5000, check this out:

(via Gizmodo)

Posted by: HP | November 14, 2005 12:54 PM | Report abuse

bc, your article confirmed what I had guessed. I have seen loads of teens with classic rock t-shirts. One that really caught my attention was a kid who was wearing the exact same Led Zeppelin t-shirt that I owned in 1977.

Being a Led-head, I have tried to impose my audio preferences on my kids since a very young age to little avail. I found it amusing that my kids were telling me to turn down the same music that my parents had made me turn down.

Not so long ago, I played "Electric Funeral" for my teenage son. Since then, he has become a total Black Sabbath fanatic.

Now I have to find a way to get him into Led Zep. He will finally sit down and watch "The Song Remains the Same" with me (although occasionally I have to turn down the volume!)

Posted by: esskay | November 14, 2005 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Some of you may find this interesting. It is a patent law case taken to the Supreme Court of Canada, on genetically modified foods.

Posted by: dr | November 14, 2005 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I was able to win over a daughter by explaining the influence of J.R.R. Tolkien on the writings of Robert Plant during his Zeppelin days.
I took her to a Pretenders show years ago and she really got into it. Gotta love Chrissie Hynde!

Posted by: esskay | November 14, 2005 1:05 PM | Report abuse

dr, that is interesting - although after skimming it I'm not sure I know what it means! Gotta love legal jargon (see Weingarten's recent column on Harriet Miers' writing).

I know there have been similar suits here. I'm a gardener and belong to several organizations that save and sell heirloom (non-hybrid) seeds. Probably be a good idea to put some seeds in your disaster "go bag".

No, I must check Google.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 14, 2005 1:09 PM | Report abuse

SCC - Now, I must check Google.


Posted by: mostlylurking | November 14, 2005 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article here, about Monsanto and patented soybean seeds:

See, we always come back to legumes.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 14, 2005 1:16 PM | Report abuse

When my niece came back from her freshman year in college a few years ago, she and her friends were listening to Arrowsmith. This spring in her senior year she and her friends were listening to Steely Dan. Her parents and her uncle (me) have been quietly amused in watching this change.

I'm getting the outstanding new set from The Band for my brother and sister-in-law for Christmas. I wonder how my niece will react to it.

In a similar vein, however, about 10 years ago at a pops concert, my dad saw me mouthing the words to George and Ira Gershwin's "Our Love is Here to Stay" and nearly fell over. And I really didn't get into Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald until my mid-20s.

Posted by: pj | November 14, 2005 1:29 PM | Report abuse

bc - I'd have expected Ian to look more like Keith Richard.

mostlylurking - You stopped with the Tull at Benefit? No Thick as a Brick? No Aqualung? No Bursting Out (one of the greatest live albums of all time)? No Songs from the Wood (which seems like something of a fit for you)? No Heavy Horses?

Okay. You could have skipped Heavy Horses. And while Bursting Out is a rockin' good time, it probably isn't actually "one of the greatest live albums of all time."

Nani, the kids are getting exposed to my music. My curiosity is what they'll think when they have control over what's being played. They're only 6 years old now. And they're twins, a boy and a girl, so it's all fairly spooky.

We've been having a group singalong in the car lately to the Spencer Davis Group's Gimme Some Lovin'. My son walks around going "ba-da-da-da-da bum." My daughter digs John Hiatt, particularly a song called "Everybody Went Low." In the interest of diversity, they're also getting bursts of the blues, soul, country, acoustic, jazz, more blues and other stuff. A well-rounded musical education is the foundation of something or another. It causes brain synapses to fire and chemical circuitry to fuse. Frankly, while having things in your head firing and fusing sounds dangerous, I believe the benefits outweigh the risks.

Rock on!

Posted by: Bayou Self | November 14, 2005 1:46 PM | Report abuse

dr's and mostlylurking's posts, as well s Bob. S's, about genetically modified foods are just indicative of the need for more information from stores about the foods, particularly the fresh produce, that you're putting into your grocery carts.

(I remember a fun exercise in dietietics class picking apart the contents of a frozen TV dinner/microwave-able dinner, separating the ingredients by various food groups, then weighing them, and comparing the "hard data--defrosted at this point" to the food and nutrition information on the outer packaging. I shoulda worked at Consumer Reports.)

Hubby and I split our shopping between Costco and HEB--the big, local regional food chain of stores. I don't recall ever seeing a sign saying that you, the consumer, are buying genetically modified food. May be I am and maybe I'm not-- buying genetically tinkered food, but I have no way of knowing. (HEB does have organic vegetables, whose cost is a whole lot higher.)

Bob S writes:
"She [Arteli Carreon of Greenpeace] said scientists don't know for sure if eating genetically modified foods is harmful for humans." What an inaccurately broad statement! Actually, scientists know for certain that eating some genetically modified foods is harmful (even lethal. Some mycotoxins are more common in corn hybrids with tight husks, because of the better environment for some grain molds, and some plants are created specifically to produce toxins)...

Bob S., how do you know so much about corn hybrids? And, yes, Ms. Carreon's statement is a broad generalization. Is this another failure of the press, to quote statements such as these?

Along the same lines of thinking, I could make all sorts of challenges and/or ask all sorts of questions about Justin's Gillis' reporting in the WaPo today about "Safer Smallpox Vaccines in Works."

Posted by: Loomis | November 14, 2005 1:56 PM | Report abuse

and it hath charms to soothe the savage breast (or is it beast?)

Posted by: Nani | November 14, 2005 1:58 PM | Report abuse

My recently widowed dad now lives in a 2-bedroom apartment with digital cable TV. That means he's got a "big band" channel and he keeps it on in the living room all the time.

As my parents aged, the music they listened to in their youth left the airwaves. Now that it's back, my dad is immersed once again in the music he loved when he was young. At 81, he still knows all the words to all the songs and can tell you which singers sang with which bands, including all the gossip associated with them. He talks about bands he saw live at dances and the musicians he met at USO shows, etc.

He never really shared this with us when we were kids, so I had no idea that the big band culture was no different in that respect from the rock 'n roll culture of my youth. I just always thought of it as kind of background music.

When you think about it, our kids listening to the music of our youth is the same as if we had rocked out to Benny Goodman and Glenn Miller when we were in high school. That's a funny thought.

Posted by: TBG | November 14, 2005 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Bob S.,

I can't tell from the quote in the article whether Ms. Carreon is only talking about transgenic foods or all genetically modified foods. If the latter, then it is, charitably, an overgeneralization. If the former, she is on better, but not completely firm, ground.

The passage from the article:

Arteli Carreon, who is coordinating the biotech product information campaign for Greenpeace Mexico, said 31 genetic modifications had been approved in this country for use in corn, soy, potatoes, tomatoes, canola oil and alfalfa -- but that many food companies do not label products that have been altered or contain altered substances.

"Trangenetics are present in two out of every three products sold at the supermarket," Carreon said. "Most of the population doesn't know that."

She said scientists don't know for sure if eating genetically modified foods is harmful for humans.

"No one can guarantee that the consumption of these foods won't hurt the consumer as well as the environment in the medium or long term," Carreon said.

Posted by: pj | November 14, 2005 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Interestingly, song lyrics are stored in a different part of the brain from speech and language acquisition. This fact is used in speech therapy with stroke victims to help them relearn to speak. It's important to know what popular songs were current in the patients' youth. I'm sure we've all had the experience of driving across country at night and hearing forgotten oldies on the radio, songs you could not name to save your life, but suddenly there you singing along word perfect. WLS in Chicago used to reach half the country's midsection after dark.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 14, 2005 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"there you ARE singing along"
Time for my meds now, nurse Ratched?

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 14, 2005 2:25 PM | Report abuse

k-guy... Wow! So interesting because my dad had a stroke 5 years ago and suffers from aphasia. You should see the poor guy try to come up with a word as simple as "table" or "arm," but wow, can he sing along with Peggy Lee.

(And I used to listen to WLS at night on my AM clock radio here in the DC area when I was a kid)

Posted by: TBG | November 14, 2005 2:34 PM | Report abuse

And then there is the (unconventional) view that memories, including song lyrics, are not stored *in* the brain as such; rather, they are stored "non-locally." When we say certain types of memories are stored in particular regions of the brain, perhaps what we really mean is that we use different parts of the brain to gain access to different types of this non-locally stored information.

Perhaps it is this non-local domain that we visit when we dream.

Fascinating stuff.

Posted by: Dreamer | November 14, 2005 2:37 PM | Report abuse

This is why I support consumer-supported agriculture. Maine has an overabundance of organic farms, and they all do these programs where you pay them directly for a "lot" and for most of the year you receive fresh fruits, herbs and vegetables(flowers, too!) It's fairly cheap and you know where your food is coming from. You can do it for meats, too - buy a half a cow, or pig, or whatever. The farm I do it with has a program where you can go down to the farm and volunteer - so you can help with the production of your own food, too.

Posted by: LP | November 14, 2005 2:49 PM | Report abuse

That was your "rightous tree-hugger" momnet for today.

Posted by: LP | November 14, 2005 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Earlier this year, I went to hear Sue Hoadley, music therapist and harpist out of either Arizona or New Mexico (I think Albuqueque), at our new TexSan Heart Hospital lecture on music and healing. In talking with her afterward, she briefly mentioned the work of Dr. Candace Pert. kurosawaguy, are you familiar with Pert and her work/writing?

Are you involved in music therapy in any way, cousin k-guy?

Posted by: Loomis | November 14, 2005 2:53 PM | Report abuse

blargh - moment

Posted by: LP | November 14, 2005 2:53 PM | Report abuse

And I think that if we continue blogging long enough we will all be related to Linda Loomis.

Posted by: LP | November 14, 2005 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, there's a good reason to get back to work. My family only has room for one know-it-all and I'm currently it.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 14, 2005 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Candace Pert! I *love* her. She's one of the scientists who appear in "What the Bleep Do We Know!?" I've read her book "The Molecules of Emotion." (Some of the science in the book was a little over my head, but I was able to get something out of it nevertheless.)

"I think some of the things we're seeing with the children today is a sign that the culture is in the wrong paradigm and not appreciating the power of thought."

-- Candace Pert, Ph.D., in the film "What the Bleep Do We Know!?"

[And good news: There is now a "Bleep" BOOK, which has even more great quotes from these cool, groundbreaking scientists.]

Posted by: Dreamer | November 14, 2005 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Kurosawaguy: If speech and song lyrics are stored in different parts of the brain, does that mean that TBG's dad would be able to sing a lyric with "table" or "arm" but not know what they mean? Or does he know what they mean in the context of the song only? If so, then couldn't he just sing what he's trying to find the words to say?

Posted by: Snarky Squirrel | November 14, 2005 3:06 PM | Report abuse

On Tull - I don't like Aqualung so much - probably the subject matter of homeless guys lusting after young girls "with bad intent" didn't appeal to me - and it was played endlessly. I love the weirdness, the unique sounds of Benefit - Stand Up is my favorite. Their later stuff was a bit overproduced for me, not enough rock. I like Crest of a Knave. Ian Anderson also does salmon farming, I think. I may have to give a listen to the ones you mentioned, Bayou Self.

kguy, et al, that's so interesting about song lyrics. I have recently been surprised by song lyrics I look up - in Beware of Darkness (George Harrison), for example, he sings about "weeping atlas cedars". I don't know what I thought he was saying, but that was astounding. He was quite a gardener, too. It's hard for me to remember song lyrics without hearing the music...

Oh, and I have a vision of old folks' homes in the future, where we're rocking out to Hendrix and the Stones and the Who.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 14, 2005 3:10 PM | Report abuse

k-guy, that's incredibly interesting! where did you learn that? links, please. websites?

i wonder how that relates to people with a debilitating stutter, but who sing like birds?

Posted by: ot | November 14, 2005 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I like the part about the "soft shoe shufflers" -- I always think of it when I hear people dragging their flip-flops along the Metro platform. (And then I pop on my headphones -- sometimes I'll even listen to a little George Harrison -- to block out the shuffling sounds, which are kind of annoying. Bah. Umbrage.)

Posted by: Achenfan | November 14, 2005 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Snarky S.. my aphasic dad knows what a word means, he just can't come up with it when he wants to use it. He'll say, "I hit my.. my...uh.. my.. my...uh... " looking for the word "arm" for example. (Sometimes he can work around it by describing the word, but even that is hard. He usually just has to wait until the word pops into his head.)

But I notice that when he's not thinking too hard about what he wants to say, he can talk very smoothly. That fits in with singing along with lyrics. I just never noticed before. I wonder if he has?

Posted by: TBG | November 14, 2005 3:19 PM | Report abuse

LP wrote: "And I think that if we continue blogging long enough we will all be related to Linda Loomis."

I tried looking through my family research for some of the names that have been tossed around (I should have written them down). But I could not make any links to the Irishmen and Normans that she discussed.

Through an ancestor by the name of Cheney (blah, I am a distant relative of Sir Richard), I linked to the Stuart family and back to James I. That took me back through both houses of The War of the Roses, William the Conqueror, Charlemange, and beyond.

Another ancestor was a Magruder that wove around the Bruce line of Scottish kings (eventually to Malcom Canmore and MacBeth).

No Loomis connection yet!

Posted by: esskay | November 14, 2005 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Joel, NIAC is funding a Phase I food replicator, and those food printers are in fact part of the work.

Posted by: parrotzmom | November 14, 2005 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I've been growing vegetables organically for quite a few years. Such an enjoyable activity, especially during full moons, when one can weed by moonlight (and the corner lamppost helps too). Homegrown veggies taste so much better than store bought. I trained my cats early on (squirting them with a water pistol) to stay out of the garden and am not bothered by moles, gophers or other critters. One year I was fortunate to find mushroom compost at one of the nurseries. It was like gold, such an abundant harvest... not all the neighbors were thrilled with my sharing. "Don't answer the door Hazel, here she comes with more of those damn cucumbers."

Posted by: Nani | November 14, 2005 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Unless Lindo Loo has some folks in her tree who came over on the boat from Greece early in the last century (or since then, I guess) I don't think we share any blood.

(My grandmother's friends used to try to figure out how to get her into the DAR; she'd be more likely to have been in the Daughters of the Peloponnesian War).

Posted by: TBG | November 14, 2005 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Are we rolling Jimmy?

Posted by: Bobby Plant | November 14, 2005 3:27 PM | Report abuse

msotlurking, thank you for the link. I knew there had to be some other cases out there like this one. In this case though the issue contested came down to did Monsanto have the right to the plant. The farmer claimed that the original seeds were blown onto a road edge on his property. Monsanto claimed that though he did not purchase this seed from them, that he was still obligated to pay them for the seed because the seed contained the gene patented by them. The Supreme Court decided that Moansanto had pateneted only the gene, and not the plant.

It was not a victory for either side, but I'd be willing to bet Monsanto is going to be very clear on what it will all patent next time. The interesting part is Monsanto must walk a very fine line because if they patent the plant ratehr than the gene, they would be liable for cleanup costs of any plants that do spread or interbreed.

This is the link I meant to post as well as the other.

Posted by: dr | November 14, 2005 3:31 PM | Report abuse

maybe he is rolling Jimmy

Posted by: LB | November 14, 2005 3:38 PM | Report abuse

ot, I've been watching for you. Thanks so much for offering (a few boodles ago) to take a photo of my father's birthplace in Alsace-Lorraine. Unfortunately I don't know in what town or region he was born. All I know is that during war time his parents left Berlin for Alsace-Lorraine and from there to the US. They (grandparents) used the French pronunciation of their name, "Loeser", to avoid being known as Germans. When, if ever, I am able to retire, I'll research my family's history.

It was kind of you to offer. Thanks again.

Posted by: Nani | November 14, 2005 3:40 PM | Report abuse

TBG: Daughter of the Peloponnesian War -- that's great!! Thucydides would be proud. I think I shall declare myself a Daughter of the Punic Wars (because it sounds mildly off-color -- Weingarten would be pleased).

Posted by: Snarky Squirrel | November 14, 2005 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Interesting Facts: What does "Temecula" mean?
The name Temecula comes from the Luiseño Indian word "Temecunga" - "temet" meaning "sun" and "-ngna" which means "place of". The Spanish interpreted and spelled the word as "Temecula". Over the years, the meaning of "Temecula" has been translated into several different versions of this interpretation, including the most popular, which is "Where the sun breaks through the mist". Temecula is the only city in California to still retain its original Indian name.

Posted by: CowTown | November 14, 2005 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Like in a first aid class that I took. The question was if you come across someone unconscious on the sidewalk what do you do? A member of the class from New Jersey answered "Take his wallet."

Posted by: LB | November 14, 2005 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Nani - I drove up there yesterday! I had a late lunch/early dinner in Colmar - and absolutely beautiful town. Many of the homes were built in the 1300's. And every American should know the name of Colmar's most famous "son" - but few of us do...Frederic-Auguste Bartholdi, the sculptor who created the Statue of Liberty.

Posted by: ot | November 14, 2005 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Memo to self: Thank TBG for mentioning big band music. Remember to expose kids to it.

k-guy, I grew up listening to WLS and WCFL, two Chicago top-40 powerhouses. Back then, they weren't niche broadcasters. If it was a top song, they'd generally play it, except maybe for C&W. So I heard pop, rock, soul and odd stuff. In today's environment, I wouldn't get all that from one station. Back then, it served as something of a uniting force and turned me on to a variety of sounds. Now, what with all the niches, everybody is kind of off in their own room, listening to their little niche of the spectrum. In the future, when the iLegume rules the day, each of us will be our own niche.

Another memo to self: Don't play John Prine's Living in the Future to the kids. That one verse is kind of randy.

mostlylurking - yeah, Tull got more commercial. Too true. But, for what it's worth, Aqualung isn't the best song on Aqualung.

Another memo to self: Try Poi Dog Pondering on the kids.

Posted by: Bayou Self | November 14, 2005 3:56 PM | Report abuse

ot - Interesting comment about stutterers. I knew a softball umpire with a bad stutter. He had a hard time spitting out what he wanted to say, if you were just chatting with him. But during a game, he made all his calls without any stutter whatsoever. The brain is a mysterious thing.

Posted by: Bayou Self | November 14, 2005 3:59 PM | Report abuse

One of my favorite John Prine songs, kind of reminds me of the Achenblog (or vice versa):

Time was once just a clock to me
and life was just a book a biography
Success was something you just had to be
and I would spend myself unknowingly

*And you know that I could have me a million more friends
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view*
But I had no idea what a good time would cost
till last night when I sat and talked with you.

An apple will spoil if it's been abused
A candle disappears when its been used
A rainbow may follow up a hurricane
And I can't leave forever on a train

*And you know that I'd survive if I never spoke again
and all I'd have to lose is my vanity*
But I had no idea what a good time would cost
till last night when you sat and talked with me.

[and so on]

--John Prine, "A Good Time"

Posted by: Reader | November 14, 2005 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Or you could just throw the press in the Bartholdi fountain...

I love fountains. Every building should have a fountain. The university campus here has one really small, weeny-looking fountain, with the world's nastiest-smelling water -- it has that chemically faucet smell to it. Better it should smell of chlorine.

Posted by: Snarky Squirrel | November 14, 2005 4:07 PM | Report abuse

When my (aphasic) dad is really, really mad he can come up with any word he wants. You should hear the language that rolls off his tongue.

Too bad for him he's such a nice guy! :)

Posted by: TBG | November 14, 2005 4:07 PM | Report abuse

melvin/a - thanks for the info. i found more here:

Posted by: ot | November 14, 2005 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Are we rolling, Jimmy? (so much for SCC)

Posted by: Bobby Plant | November 14, 2005 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Yes, we're rolling on one.

Posted by: Jimmy Page | November 14, 2005 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of the Botanical Gardens, has anyone been to the Summer House built into the hill on the West Front of the Capitol? My son and his friend stumbled on it this summer.

Apparently, Olmstead designed it to provide refuge for visitors on foot to the capitol. According to the Architect of the Capitol's website (below), he wanted it to blend into the scenery, but be "sufficiently public to prevent its use for improper purposes." There's a fountain that used to provide drinking water from a spring.

Posted by: TBG | November 14, 2005 4:29 PM | Report abuse

i ate genetically altered food once, and now one hand types faster than the other

i don't know which one was affected, so i'm afraid to try it again

Posted by: kp | November 14, 2005 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Prine is one of the great American songwriters, Reader. And I get misty eyed whenever I hear him and Raitt doing Angel from Montgomery.

Posted by: Bayou Self | November 14, 2005 4:35 PM | Report abuse

bc and mostlylurking,

I was at the USSBA Championships in Allentown two weeks ago and one of the marching bands was rehearsing "Aqualung". I couldn't help wondering if the music director or any of the band members realized the song was about an alcoholic derelict pedophile. There was a band in VA that had to ditch six months of rehearsal because a gadfly had tongue-in-cheek asked if "The Devil Went Down To Georgia" was an appropriate selection for a public school that had to separate church and state.


I spent an evening with my teenager as he ransacked my classic rock collection for his iPod. He borrowed all my Led Zep and wanted to know that since we had "Back in Black", why we didn't have "For Those About To Rock". I said I was not a very serious AC/DC fan and had to draw the line somewhere. If I got "About To Rock", I would also need "Highway To Hell" and "Dirty Deeds". You need either one AC/DC album or six. I'm sticking to one. For Halloween, he went as Mick Jones of the Clash. One classmate recognized him.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 14, 2005 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I saw KISS at the Capital Centre in 1977.
No one had ever head of the warm up band. The guitarist was 17 years old (so I was told), the lead singer was Bon Scott. The group: AC/DC.
My second concert was Foghat with another unknown warmup act: Cheap Trick.

Posted by: esskay | November 14, 2005 5:03 PM | Report abuse

My favorite Arrowsmith albums are Toys In The Babbit and Main Street Vacation.

Posted by: Sinclair | November 14, 2005 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Joel - Are you there? A bunch of post-4:00 pm posts just disappeared. Or, perhaps I was just hallucinating again. Miss Moneypenny? Could you see if my car is ready? The black one, with the machine gun.

Posted by: CowTown | November 14, 2005 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Good call, CowTown. I thought maybe it was just me. Stupid flashbacks...

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 14, 2005 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhh... the smoky bliss of the Cap Centre in the 1970s.

Posted by: TBG | November 14, 2005 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I miss the old dump! However, I saw Tull at Merriwether Post...

Cow Town, I think just the snarky posts evaporated. And not just post-4:00

Posted by: esskay | November 14, 2005 5:10 PM | Report abuse


By George, you're right. The entire day's sniping has been wrung from the Boodle. We've been cleansed by the Mighty Achenbach Smite Button. Awesome.

Posted by: CowTown | November 14, 2005 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Time to commute.
Tonights CD selection: Physical Graffiti...

Posted by: esskay | November 14, 2005 5:19 PM | Report abuse

TBG, not only was I not aware of the Summer House, I don't think I knew Olmstead designed the Capitol Grounds. And I did not know there was a Peace Monument -

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 14, 2005 5:21 PM | Report abuse

ot,what brings you to France? do you feel safe right now? my favorite little town there is Saint-Emilion, just outside Bordeaux

Posted by: newkidontheblog | November 14, 2005 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Life is good, or at least, better. I was on the verge of overcoming my Achenblog habit, as I've always had a problem with pointless hostility, but now I can go back to wallowing in comma-rich self-indulgent off-topic reading instead of reverting to work. Of course, in my line of paid employment, there are many who would question whether this really constitutes work. As one colleague is wont to say, while we stand atop a volcano to watch the dawn over the clouds below, "I can't believe they pay us to do this."

Posted by: Tim | November 14, 2005 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Basically, CowTown, repercussions had to, you know, repercuss. There was some repercussivity, because of the pointless and obsessive hostility. It was actually a two-person hit, I was the lookout and Hal the Schemer did the smiting.

Let me make clear that this is an open forum with very few rules (no vulgarity, no hate, and in that latter category, no constant attacks on another boodler). The Boodle has been a good place in general because people have filled it with humor and intelligence and we've rarely had to hit the Smite button.

Posted by: Achenbach | November 14, 2005 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Understood, Boss, but it's still so cool how you do that.

Posted by: CowTown | November 14, 2005 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I saw Foghat in 1980 after their peak. At least I have it on good authority I saw Foghat. Some band played "Slow Ride" for 20 minutes. The memory is a tricky thing. Unfortunately I remember nearly all of the opeing act, Eddie Money. The sight of the shirtless Mahoney is seared into my eyeballs. In 1985, he opened for Cyndi Laupner, also past her peak.

I have never seen a good opening act. There is a famous list of all the great bands that have opened for ZZ Top. All much better than That Little Ol' Band from Texas.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 14, 2005 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be nice if we could smite all the bad stuff in the world this easily?

Posted by: dr | November 14, 2005 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Cowtown -- what about Lompoc?

Posted by: ach | November 14, 2005 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Colin James was a GREAT opening act for a Stones tour that played here. I may not be the best judge. I will admit right now the I have been to 3 live concerts in my life; The Stones, Kenny Rodgers and the First Edition and The Irish Rovers.

I grew into radio when music was about to die, i.e. Disco, which I avoided with all of my might. Joel, could you go back and smite disco?

Posted by: dr | November 14, 2005 6:20 PM | Report abuse


You mean, in terms of Indian names? I know, I'm not sure I bought the notion that it was the "only town" that kept it's Indian name. There's also Ojai, Yosemite, and Glendale (kidding).

Posted by: CowTown | November 14, 2005 6:22 PM | Report abuse

dr, you've got me laughing out loud -
Joel, could you go back and smite disco?

Having been to a good many rock concerts, I can say I've seen only a handful of good opening acts. Delaney and Bonnie and Friends opened for Frank Zappa - strangely, Bonnie was not there, which was distracting. Last spring, Amos Lee (pleasant young singer/songwriter) and Merle Haggard opened for Bob Dylan - fabulous. Oh, and Stevie Wonder for the Stones on July 4, 1972 in RFK stadium in DC. The crowd for that concert was so frightening I didn't go to another concert for 20 years. Were any fellow boodlers there?

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 14, 2005 6:32 PM | Report abuse

dr - wouldn't it be cool if we had a "smite deleter" button? like the staples commercial that has an "easy" button...
btw - there's a mention of me and mum in the metro section of today's paper (it's on my blog as well). there was a reporter at the restaurant my mother and i went to last nite and i guess he found us ammusing... i asked him if he knew Joel - he said he knew OF him but not him directly... Joel - do you know Joe Holley?

Posted by: mo | November 14, 2005 6:47 PM | Report abuse

nooooooooo don't smite disco!!! i love disco!!!! (not very goth, i know, i know... but i gotta follow my heart!)

Posted by: mo | November 14, 2005 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry, mo, to have wished for the smiting (please someone correct my usage of the word) of disco but since I wrote that plea I have that stupid Bee Gees song running thorugh my mind.

Posted by: dr | November 14, 2005 7:05 PM | Report abuse

hah! that's what you get for smiting disco! "well, you can tell by the way i use my walk i'm a woman's man, no time to talk"

Posted by: mo | November 14, 2005 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Reader said (in the last boodle): "I'm seeing the situation in France as a direct result of their past imperialist politics. They were the ruling power, and the Africans were subjugated. That carried over into France as a racist expectation that the immigrants would take all the lowest-echelon jobs and housing."
I think something to also consider is that the French made a point of insisting that the people they were colonizing were French. In French colonies (the DOM - TOMs, hee hee, I always chuckle when I say/write that) the indigenous peoples were made to study French language and culture intensely. I even remember from my studies that national exams were taken at the exact same time, i.e. students in France and students in Algeria opened and closed their exam booklets at the same time, all part of the colonial/imperial machine. They were not Algerian, Senegalese, Cote d'Ivoirian (sp?), etc., but French. Of course, the flip side of this, is that the indigenous peoples were also made to think that their own native cultures were inferior.
I mention this because I'm sure that on some level those that lived during the imperialist era and their children/descendants believe that they are indeed French citizens. I can only imagine how it feels to grow up with colonial administrators insisting that I am French (or my parents passing on this belief to me) and then going to France to be treated by European/White French men and women as a second-class citizen or just ignored altogether. There's been some excellent coverage (what else would one expect) on NPR on this whole situation and in, I would say, all of the interviews with peoples of Northern African or sub-Saharan African descent the point is made that they are indeed French.

Just wanted to throw this in the mix.

Posted by: Lady Jane | November 14, 2005 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so I obviously posted before reading through today's boodle. I'm actually a little embarassed that my comment is so OT (I know its de rigueur for this blog, but this is a bit ridiculous). The topic is so interesting though that I felt the need to respond to Reader's comments. Sorry.

Posted by: Lady Jane | November 14, 2005 7:39 PM | Report abuse

esskay writes:
Another ancestor was a Magruder that wove around the Bruce line of Scottish kings (eventually to Malcom Canmore and MacBeth).
No Loomis connection yet!

In James Mackay's 1995 book, "William Wallace: Braveheart" on pp. 46-47, there is a family tree that shows the connections of Robert Bruce to the Balliols. I don't know how the Magruders fit into the Bruce line, but there is a family connection on my side to the Balliols. Willing to discuss...

On this note, too bad in the movie "Braveheart" that Mel Gibson had to invent a romantic interest with Isabella, when in fact there was none.

As far as advertising claims and honesty in advertising, tried on Friday night to go to my local DVD rental store to get the 1990 comedy with Dudley Moore, "Crazy People." It may take some sleuthing to find it locally, so before I make te effort, has anyone seen it? Is it funny and it is a thumbs-up or thumbs-down movie?

TBG, thanks for the mention of Olmsted's Summer House on the Capitol grounds. It was a pleasant find last May when I made my trip to the Northeast. I found it by accident, wanting to traverse the grounds to get up to the Supreme Court from the Smithsonian and knowing Loomis descendent FL Olmsted designed the acreage around the Capitol. I'm only sorry I didn't know more about the Peace Statue, as there is apparently a family connection there as well.

I arranged my entire trip to the Northeast around being able to attend the 50th anniversary gala of Brown v. Board at Constitution Hall. The last e-mail I received before driving back east from the NEA made it clear that they thought I wanted to attend the events in Topeka (even though I had sent them quite a few, asking to attend the Washington, D.C. party). I went to DC for 30 hours, but decided not to try and crash their party, even though I attended the same high school as Earl Warren. I missed Bill Cosby's now well-known rant, it seems. NORD was having its big fund-raiser that night in D.C. as well, but I think it was a $500-plate affair, far too pricey for me.

Instead of being at the party, I decided, on my birthday, to drive back to my little pup tent in Amish country in Pennsylvania, and sleep amoung the hundreds elm shankworms dangling from trees (the Indiana Jones campground from hell), no dinner even. It'a a long story, but I wish my 30 hours in D.C. could have been 30 days.

Posted by: Loomis | November 14, 2005 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Lady Jane, there is no such thing here as Off Topic. Thanks for the interesting comment.

FYI, I am on a rather intense deadline but will try to post a new kit tomorrow, on the concept of Carbucks.

Posted by: Achenbach | November 14, 2005 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Opening acts, hmm.

I saw Prince open for the Rolling Stones.

Judas Priest open for KISS. And Iron Maiden open for JP - ha, Achenfan!

Metallica open for Guns n' Roses.
Blue Oyster Cult for Black Sabbath.
Accept for Ronnie James Dio (ha!).
Roger McGuinn for John Hiatt.
Sammy Hagar for - I can't remember if it was The Who or Boston.
The Plasmatics for The Ramones.

I'm trying to remember who I saw open for AC/DC (circa '79 or '80 with the late great Bon Scott), but I'll be damnned if I can remember who it was.

Gosh, there's lots more to try to remember, but I don't recall ever having seen Jethro Tull.

Linda, I saw "Crazy People" a long time ago, thought it was OK. As far as Dudley Moore movies, it's nowhere near "Arthur" or "10".

Hmm. How about "Wag the Dog"? I 'spect you've seen it but it still works on a couple of levels.


Posted by: bc | November 14, 2005 8:35 PM | Report abuse

"Arthur" and "10" were Dudley Moore classics, but thanks for the heads-up on "Crazy People." My interest in this one may wane, thanks to your post, bc.

Did see an interesting movie promo during the 30-minute national news tonight for a Matt Damon/George Clooney movie effort, opening Dec. 9, titled "Syriana." Looked interesting, as does Clooney's film out now about Edward R. Morrow (yet to see).

Have seen "Wag the Dog."

Posted by: Loomis | November 14, 2005 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Re your 5:46:32: Did you really mean to take the side of an apparently race-based attack on a woman who has sought collegiality on this blog. It seems you did. Take the time to read what is being said in your name. Values, man. Morals. Shame on the WP.

Posted by: Golconda | November 14, 2005 8:59 PM | Report abuse

re: Syriana...looks like Louisville, Ky. screenwriter Stephen Gaghan may have written yet another complex, intricately woven narrative...

From the movie's website:
From writer/director Stephen Gaghan, winner of the Best Screenplay Academy Award for Traffic, comes Syriana, a political thriller that unfolds against the intrigue of the global oil industry. From the players brokering back-room deals in Washington to the men toiling in the oil fields of the Persian Gulf, the film's multiple storylines weave together to illuminate the human consequences of the fierce pursuit of wealth and power. As a career CIA operative (George Clooney) begins to uncover the disturbing truth about the work he has devoted his life to, an up-and-coming oil broker (Matt Damon) faces an unimaginable family tragedy and finds redemption in his partnership with an idealistic Gulf prince (Alexander Siddig). A corporate lawyer (Jeffrey Wright) faces a moral dilemma as he finesses the questionable merger of two powerful U.S. oil companies, while across the globe, a disenfranchised Pakistani teenager (Mazhar Munir) falls prey to the recruiting efforts of a charismatic cleric. Each plays their small part in the vast and complex system that powers the industry, unaware of the explosive impact their lives will have upon the world.

Posted by: Loomis | November 14, 2005 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Mrs.(actually Dr.) Kurosawaguy saw the Rolling Stones on their very first U.S. tour opening for Herman and the Hermits. We later saw Chuck Berry opening for those same Stones in Dallas in '69. He was fantastic! The Stones were delayed and Chuck, in green jacket, yellow pants, and (natch) red guitar, duck-walked and sweated through two extra sets. I saw Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention open for Country Joe and the Fish.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 14, 2005 9:54 PM | Report abuse

LL, Good Night, and Good Luck is very good. Not much action - there are a couple of times where they seem to have to invent something to keep you from snoozing off. Not much explanation - not sure how well it would play to someone who doesn't know anything about the McCarthy era. Of course, that isn't you - I thought it was very well done, and I certainly learned things about Ed Murrow's career that I didn't know.

Posted by: mostylurking | November 14, 2005 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Dudley Moore movies: I saw "10." Eh. I'm somehow just not moved by a movie in which the McGuffin is the cuteness of being alcoholic. So, the parts of "Arthur" that I noticed on the screen, didn't do much for me. But, BUT, "Bedazzled." Now, THAT's a funny movie! "Drop your doo-doo!" "Julie Andrews!"

Posted by: Tim | November 14, 2005 10:57 PM | Report abuse

LL - The Magruder clan (sometimes MacGruether) were descendants of the Campbells. Duncan Campbell, Lord of Argyle (c.1375 - 1453) married Marjory Stewart. Marjory was the great, great grandaughter of King Robert Bruce VIII.
The Bruce line can be linked to Malcom Canmore, Alfred the Great, and more.
I had read that one had fought along side William Wallace.

I have not done a great deal of research this far back. Mostly I have taken what I have gathered on these ancient times at face value. I have put my energies into working backward with detailed references.

Col. Samual Magruder married a Sarah Beall who is thought to be the daughter of Col. Ninean Beall. He was a one-time indentured servant who ended up owning most of the land that present day Washington D.C. sits on. He was originally from Dumbarton (Ireland?) and his Maryland home was named Rock of Dumbarton. His brother owned much of what is now Montgomery County.
And they left me nothing!

Posted by: Anonymous | November 14, 2005 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Do you know I still remember the day I first heard that Bee Gees song. I was working in my great-uncle's grocery store, a small old building with 3 aisles and a meat counter at the back, and a big wheel of cheddar at the end of the counter where we packed groceries. Uncle Tony smoked Colts cigarillos. He'd puff 3 times, and then let the thing die out. The smell of a re-lit Colt is less than swell to put it mildly. He listened to the radio for the news and when it was not news he escaped to the back to do his work, but I got to stick to the front and help customers. I was not supposed to change stations, so I just gritted my teeth, sat in that hot, blindingly sunny, airless front of the store and bore it.

Along with the bad came the good. Working in Uncle Tony's store is how I know the smell of old fashioned chewing tobacco. I was not to give it out, it was in a bulk tin, but I always made sure to stand close by when he was giving a customer his purchase. Sweet, and rich, potent, and unlike anything else. Heady stuff. They sure destroyed any lovliness of it when they put it into a cigarette. And nope don't smoke, don't puff, never tried snuff, and never quite got up the nerve to try chewing tobacco, even though my very dear Uncle was always trying to get me to do so.

I have noticed that no one has admitted to going to a big Disco concert.

Posted by: dr | November 14, 2005 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I admit it. I saw Donna Summers at the Hollywood Bowl. My girlfriend at the time really really reeeeealy wanted to see her. She (Donna) was quite good. It was the first time I saw men kissing (in the audience). A very "LA" experience.

Posted by: CowTown | November 14, 2005 11:57 PM | Report abuse

In Jr. High School I had a shirt that said "Disco Sucks" (sorry for the language). So no, there were no big disco shows for me...

Kguy, I sometimes wish I had been born 5 years earlier. So many early classic shows that I might have seen. My first show was in '77 (KISS) and my biggest problem with my brothers is that they did not take me to the Zeppelin shows that year. They said "next tour". Well ,the next tour never happened.

TBG, I know you must be a local because you called it the "Cap Centre" (as opposed to Capital)!

bc, I saw Blue Oyster Cult warm up Black Sabbath at the Cap Centre Oct. 14, 1980. I was in the 7th row. It seems that I recall them being co-headliners with an opening act. My notes and my memory fail to recall that band. Was that the show/tour that you saw?

Posted by: esskay | November 15, 2005 12:03 AM | Report abuse

I would not dream of being such a blog-hog during the day. But, since there are only a few of us around, here are some shows that I have seen:
Kiss w/AC-DC 1977 Cap Centre
Foghat w/ Cheap Trick 1978 CC
Rossington Collins Band w/Henry Paul '80 Merriweather Post
Black Sabbath / Blue Oyster Cult '80 CC
Rush w/FM '81 CC
Ozzy Osbourne w/UFO '82 CC
Molly Hatchet/Blackfoot/The Outlaws '83 Fredericksburg, Va
Simon & Garfunkle '83 Laurel Race Track
Molly Hatchet w/The Outlaws '84 CC
Beach Boys w/Ringo Starr '84 Wash DC
- also America & Three Dog Night
The Firm '85 CC
Beach Boys w/Jimmy Page '85 Wash DC
- also Four Tops, Air Supply, & O'Jays
Robert Plant w/The Honeydrippers '85 CC
Deep Purple w/Blackfoot '84 Merriweather
Aerosmith w/Ted Nugent '86 CC
Pat Benetar '86 CC (a friend made me - good show though)
The Firm w/Virginia Wolfe '86 CC
ZZ Top '86 CC
The Grateful Dead w/Bob Dylan & Tom Petty '86 RFK Stadium
- how's that for warm up bands?
Emerson, Lake, & Powell '86 CC
Jimmy Buffett '87 Patriot Center
The Grateful Dead '87 CC
David Bowie '87 CC
Lynyrd Skynyrd Tribute '87 CC
Pink Floyd '87 CC
Robert Plant '88 Merriweather
Pink Floyd '88 RFK
Jethro Tull '88 Merriweather
Yngwie Malmsteen '88 Baltimore Arena
Eric Clapton w/Buckweheat Zydeco '88 CC
Lynyrd Skynyrd '88 CC
Robert Plant w/Joan Jett '88 CC
Little Feat '88 Warner Theater
Jimmy Page w/Jason Bohnam '88 CC
Lou Reed w/The Feelies '89 Warner Theater
Steve Miller '89 Merriweather
The Who '89 RFK
The Grateful Dead '89 RFK
Doobie Bros '89 Merriweather
Stevie Ray Vaughan w/Stray Cats '89 Merriweather
YES (Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, & Howe) '89 Merriweather
The Monkees '89 Wolftrap
The Rolling Stones w/Living Colour '89 RFK
The Grateful Dead '90 CC
The Grateful Dead '90 CC (again!)
Paul McCartney '90 RFK
Robert Plant '90 CC
David Bowie '90 Merriweather

And then I got married!
Since then: ZZ Top, YES, Page/Plant (4 times!), Alanis Morissette, KISS, The Pretenders, B52's, Rod Stewart.

One show I did not list from 1987 was the Welcome Home concert for Vietnam Vets. It featured: CSN, James Brown, John Foggerty, Neil Diamond, Frankie Vali, Four Tops, Kris Kristofferson, Stevie Wonder, Linda Rondstat, John Sebatian, and Ritchie Havens.

So, I missed some of the classics. But I did OK before I settled down...
My fingers are tired, good night.

Posted by: esskay | November 15, 2005 12:34 AM | Report abuse

all this music talk....

please tell me someone out there has heard of miles davis, or john coltrane, or bird, or wayne shorter, or stan getz, dizzy, etc. etc. etc!

and what about stravinsky? and boulez? and chopin? and ligeti? and cage? and *mahler* for crying out loud!

(newkid - i'll put Saint-Emilion on my places-to-visit list. i live in switzerland and often drive to france and germany for a "change of scenery". colmar *seemed* safe to me. the violence/unrest/riots are - for the moment? - concentrated in and around paris.)

Posted by: ot | November 15, 2005 1:26 AM | Report abuse

tgb - thanks for the summer house link. i know of olmstead from having visited the biltmore estate in ashville, nc. and now i see in one of my books that he also designed central park in nyc. thank you olmstead! (plus he helped in the preservation of yosemite valley)

Posted by: ot | November 15, 2005 1:42 AM | Report abuse

going into the mind archives to remember
concerts attended is a real dustoff sort
of braingame...i think the first concert
i went to involved santana...that would
have been in 1971...had something to do
with exploring the freedom gained with
a newly acquired drivers license........
i think we bought 5 tickets for $20 bucks..
it was festival seating...and the air was
blue from all the pot being lit up and
passed around...the experience was way
different as i had not experienced a live
concert before...high school band concerts
never covered this territory.......:-)....
over the next few years i went on attending
other concerts...ticket prices steadily
crept up from that $4 first time price of
admission...getting the pot in was an art
form...and security was generally light
and easily enough evaded.................
some other concerts seen would have been
those of wishbone ash,uriah heep,david
bowie,todd rundgren and the doobie bros...
the last concerts i attended were those of
the who in chicago..and the last live stage
show to be held in the capitol theatre in
madison,wisconsin...which was lou reed's
rock 'n roll animal tour...the capitol was
then closed and and went on to become the
madison civic center...thanks to that
socialist mayor's efforts,paul soglin...
becoming the oscar mayer theatre...yes..
as in hot dogs...this old vaudeville and
movie palace from the late 1920's in all
it's moorish themed interior decor splendor
has just now undergone another makeover in
the new overture center in downtown madison
...still retaining much of what was present
for that old velvet undergrounders concert.
... now it will once again be called the
capitol theatre...but i will always fondly
remember that warm summer night sitting
high up in the balcony which could induce
vertigo...the air blue with pot smoke ....
and listening to lou reed performing
sweet jane on the stage....pricless..:-)...

Posted by: an american in siam.... | November 15, 2005 5:46 AM | Report abuse

scc...that would be priceless...:-)..these
on the fly submissions being what they be
one is always subject to not catching the
errors until it has been sent off....:-)

Posted by: an american in siam... | November 15, 2005 5:53 AM | Report abuse

speaking of jazz, I am seeing maynard ferguson in Glenelg of all places tonite.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 15, 2005 6:12 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to rain on "Crazy People" for you, Linda. I thought there were a few funny bits, but overall it was too predictable for me to really enjoy it.

I don't listen exclusively to rock music, but the WaPo article and thread were classic rock oriented.

e.g. around this time of year, I start hoping for a good production of "die Fledermaus". It's funny, and I'm a sucker for Strauss.


Posted by: bc | November 15, 2005 8:49 AM | Report abuse

ot, I am an old jazz fiend. I have the 1953 limited edition of The Jazz Scene (the old 78 records)featuring Charlie Parker (bird), Stan Getz, Ella Fitzgerald, Satchmo, Gene Krupa, Stan Kenton, Duke Ellington, Artie Shaw and more. The album further has 12X16 black and white photos of these artists which I've framed and have hanging in my office. It's one of my most treasured possessions.

Posted by: Nani | November 15, 2005 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Maynard Ferguson! His version of the theme from "Rocky" was the signature of the decade. The amazing thing is how he is still going after fifty years in the business. I saw him about ten years ago and he still had the chops.

Posted by: Conquistador | November 15, 2005 8:58 AM | Report abuse

dr writes:
"I have noticed that no one has admitted to going to a big Disco concert."

I had left Lake Tahoe for Silicon Valley, but my hubby (though not at the time of this story) and I headed back to the lake to see Donna Summer in concert at Del Webb's High Sierra. She was a knock-out to gauge by the audience reaction. I got into some shows at the lake as a reporter, usually "comped" in.

About 2/3 of the way into her show, after the dinner meal had been cleared, the audience members in the lower gallery and closest to the stage got up and started dancing on the tops of the tables. So many were on the tables dancing that waiters were unable to control the crowd, so the dancing continued unabated. I had never seen anything like it at Tahoe before.

I was working at the lake when John Lennon was killed on Dec. 8, 1980. I was in one of the casino showrooms, working a story/showroom review as I remember, and do recall all the audience standing and swaying with hundreds of points of light (cigarette lighters) as a Lennon tribute was played. (Sorry I can't recall the artist who was on stage.) These two memories stand out the most.

Posted by: Loomis | November 15, 2005 9:02 AM | Report abuse

The late Mr. Nani passed away six months prior to John Lennon's death. His killer was a drunk driver. Upon hearing of Lennon's death, I felt such great pity and compassion for Yoko Ono because I knew what she would be facing every day, disbelief, grief, anger that only years and years of time would temper.

Posted by: Nani | November 15, 2005 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Oh dear, I've contaminated the boodle with my maudlin meanderings. Let's talk about John Lennon's music, or Chopin, Strauss (lordy I love a waltz),

Posted by: Nani | November 15, 2005 9:38 AM | Report abuse

see - i was born outta my era! i woulda loved to have gone to a disco concert! my first concert was U2's Joshua Tree tour at rfk - i did lallapalooza for a cpl years - i'm not a big concert fan - i did a lot of small shows in nyc (lived with a band and i was their #1 groupie).

Posted by: mo | November 15, 2005 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I got to meet and photograph Ella Fitzgerald and Dave Brubeck in '83 and '67, respectively. How's that for jazz?
For any history buffs I would recommend 'The Devil and the White City' by Erik Larson. It centers on Chicago at the time of the World's Fair and two very interesting and very different men, Daniel Burnham, the primary architect in charge of the design and construction of the fair, and H. H. Holmes, said by some to be America's first serial killer and designer and owner of the infamous "Murder Castle" rooming house where he lured out of towners to their deaths.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 15, 2005 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Nani, I'm sorry for your loss.

I remember when Lennon died, darn near 25 years ago now.

I was a senior in High School at the time. When I saw the news on TV that night, I went and told my mom, who cried for a long time.

The next day, I stayed after school to paste up the student newspaper (I was managing editor) with the Editor, a beautiful intelligent young lady I was secretly in love with, but alas, was involved with a young man who was in the Armed Forces. While we were laying everything out, the local rock radio station was playing a continous tribute to Lennon.

We talked about her boyfriend, deployed who-knows-where, Lennon, the Beatles, life and love while we discussed headlines and columns. When we were done, she broke down in tears, and I held her for an eternal second as the radio played. We swayed together, and I remember the smell of her hair, stronger for being wet with my tears as I write this now, as if it happened a second ago.


Posted by: bc | November 15, 2005 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I saw so many concerts at the Cap Centre in the '70s I can't even remember all of them. Did anyone else go to the general-admission seating Fleetwood Mac show that got postponed at the last minute--I mean after everyone was already seated? Or YES at RFK where they pulled the plug in the middle of Roundabout because, dammit, the concert was going to be over at 6:00 p.m. sharp! Typical DC crowds at both of them: a little booing, then the crowd peacefully left. I'd love to see them try that in other cities.

I took my then-10-year-old daughter to her first rock concert in February 2004. We saw Barenaked Ladies and sat in the 3rd row (thanks to their wonderful Fan Club tickets). She stood on her seat and sang along with every song. The band talked about her in the show and she ended up with the drummer throwing her a drumstick.

She's totally jaded now. How can she go to sitting with the rabble and wondering if that little speck onstage is really is Steven Page?

Posted by: TBG | November 15, 2005 10:25 AM | Report abuse

You worked on a newspaper (high school still counts)? That story is so romantic--an incredible piece of writing from you today.

Read "Devil in the White City" this summer. Great account of Olmsted in his later years, but the juxtaposition of the stories of Burnham and H.H. Holmes is superb.

I see that screenwriter Stephen Gaghan will be in a WaPo online chat at 1 p.m. Eastern to discuss the movie I mentioned last night, "Syriana." What coincidence...

I'm sorry to learn that your husband died so tragically. No wonder you were one of the first to reach out to me when I mentioned my losses some time ago. I wonder if the movie "Steel Magnolias" maxim holds true: "If something doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger."

I wanted to end upbeat...maybe Joel will post his new Carbucks Kit momentarily...

Hey, I just got an e-mail from Benoit Bourque a coupla minutes ago...from Quebec. That made my day.

Posted by: Loomis | November 15, 2005 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm not trying to give anybody whiplash from a sudden topic change--nor to take anything away from John Lennon, may he rest in peace, and Mr. Nani, likewise, and bc's very touching reminiscence above (sniff, sniff)

HOWEVER, here's some very witty stuff from the New York Times, this author seems to be either copying or channeling our Joel--and doing a good job--combining two of JA's favorite topics, baseball and literature.

Posted by: Reader | November 15, 2005 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Thank you bc. I'm sure the young lady still recalls being comforted in that oh so long ago eternal second.

Posted by: Nani | November 15, 2005 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Cow town and Loomis, you are brave people!

Its hard being out of step musically with those around you. When no one else my age was listening to country I did, to avoid disco. And then country became too hot new influenced, and I started listening to classical to get away from all the talk of commercial radio. CBC Two is a wonderfully blessed releif. Its very diverse, and many of the dj's play very very diverse stuff, including Miles Davis and 'The Little Brown Outhouse"(singer unknown to me). CKUA has a show of old jazz that is very much a learning place for me (and yes I am going to get the Smithsonian set as recommended here).

I have a thing for Bach, I have a thing for Teleman, I love Hadyn, and Handel. I could listen to baroque music for days and never get enough. CBC played a piece of music composed and played by Rachmaninoff the other day, scratchy and old, but utterly sublime. The softness and the sorrow, in a way, of his playing is beyond any other playing I have yet heard. So many things to listen to that I sometimes wonder how I will find a way to hear it all.

Posted by: dr | November 15, 2005 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Loomis: "I wonder if the movie "Steel Magnolias" maxim holds true: "If something doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger." "

I'm pretty sure that's a paraphrase from Friedrich Nietzsche. Makes it less heartwarming, somehow.

Posted by: Tim | November 15, 2005 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else giggle when they think of GW Bush in Japan?

Remember the Simpsons episode when neighbor George HW Bush says to Homer, "I'll ruin you like a Japanese banquet!"

Posted by: TBG | November 15, 2005 10:39 AM | Report abuse

That's great stuff, Reader. Thanks.


Posted by: bc | November 15, 2005 10:40 AM | Report abuse

It's not so hard to be musically peculiar, once you abandon any hope of routine social interaction with peers who regard you as an equal. I've been there for years, so I'm cool with it.

I basically haven't understood or liked pop or what passes for rock for 20 years or more. I've heard occasional things that I like on recordings played by others, but I'm unwilling to pay the price of listening to commercial radio in order to find out what's around now. A (much-younger) co-worker was horrified when I told her that I hadn't the slightest idea what anything by U2 sounded like. She brought in a U2 CD and insisted I listen. I vaguely recognized one song, and couldn't now tell you a blessed thing about any of the songs, nor would I recognize them. I found it to be completely unengaging music. I'm especially amused, since I recalled from various references in the press that U2 is supposed to be music of my generation, not hers. I find it boring, boring, boring. Beethoven, Mozart, folk music, bluegrass, blues, zydeco, jazz. That's music. I find synthesizers to be interesting, but it's the sounds that are supposed to be synthesized, not the music.

Posted by: Tim | November 15, 2005 10:46 AM | Report abuse

While it would indeed be extraordinary if another Japanese prime minister barfed on a President named Bush, we have to remember that twice, with two different Japanese Ministers of Defense, pop-up security barriers in the pavement triggered as their limos drove up to the Pentagon, launching their cars on their hind wheels.

Posted by: melvin/a | November 15, 2005 10:47 AM | Report abuse

ot -- My music of choice for when I'm flying is Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane's Monk-Trane.

I saw Billy Joel back in the day, throwing a minor hissy fit when his wireless mike wouldn't work. He was supposed to leave his piano and go to the edge of the stage for "Big Shot" and, big shot that he is, felt that his equipment ought to be in working order.

And, in something of a Spinal Tap moment, Yes had this big rig above the stage that was supposed to do something magical during a key part of a big song. It was probably supposed to extend out in pieces, like a large octopus over the stage (they were playing in the round) with fancy lights and lasers and whatnot. But I'm just guessing. The band members were all looking up, but nothing happened. Jon Anderson looked peeved.

I saw Blue Oyster Cult a couple of summers ago at a July 4th festival. I yelled "more cowbell" a bunch of times, but nobody seemed to notice or get the joke.

I saw War at the same summer festival (different year; I call it the Dinosaurs of Rock show as old bands traipse in year after year) and the lead singer went on at length during the show about how "We're the real deal, man. We played with Hendrix, man. The night before he died, man." At the end of the show, they introduced the bandmembers, one by one. By the descriptions, it was clear that only one guy was from back in the day, man.

I saw Emerson, Lake and Palmer long ago. They were making some snide remarks about each other, particular Emerson towards Lake. I read later that they hated each other at that point and were each touring in separate buses or something.

I saw the Grateful Dead back when. They say there's nothing like a night when the band was "on." Alas, they weren't that night.

I saw Marshall Tucker Band one time and we had these really great seats -- on the floor, 10th or 15th row or so. And early in the show the guy says "We're gonna play all night long! We don't have anything to do after the show but to go back to the Holiday Inn. All night long!" They left the stage after 45 minutes to begin the encore game.

Buddies wanted me to go and see Bruce Springsteen back in the 70s. I had heard Darkness on the Edge of Town and other songs many times. I passed. He was kind of a mumbly singer.

Posted by: Bayou Self | November 15, 2005 10:49 AM | Report abuse

dr, I'm so with you! The closest I ever got to popular music was getting to sing a Christmas cantata by Dave Brubeck. He played the piano accompaniment. La Fiesta de las Posadas, if I remember the name correctly. I'd love to have a CD of it, but have never found one. It was a fun concert. I'm a classical fan and I like John Rutter's music, which says a lot about me. But my favorite is Beethoven's Fifth Symphony.

Posted by: slyness | November 15, 2005 10:53 AM | Report abuse

dr, I'm especially fond of Bach's Concerto for Harpsichord, and love true "country" music. Emmylou Harris, Patsy Cline, Iris Dement (whatta name). There's a soundtrack to The Apostle (Robert Duvall) film. Emmylou and Mr. Duvall do a duet "I Love to Tell the Story". Very sweet.

Posted by: Nani | November 15, 2005 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Can't giggle when I think of Bush in Japan, TBG, sorry.

Japan is one of the few industrialized countries where Bush has support from its leader, Junichiro Koizumi. A surprise for me reading a London paper this past weekend to hear talk of impeachment swirling around Tony Blair (another lame duck?).

There are important issues for Bush to tackle during his Japanese junket. There is also lingering regional animosity toward Japan from its neighbors as a result of WWII. Japan used BWMD on China during WWII, for starters. You might want to check out Jeff Morley's World Opinion Roundup today in the WaPo. He tells the story of Japan's image problem in the region through another upcoming holiday-season movie, "Memoirs of a Geisha."

Posted by: Loomis | November 15, 2005 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Melvin/a, I thought Poppy Bush was the hurler, not the hurlee. Classical music trivia: naming children in Iceland is strictly regulated and names must be from an approved list of traditional Icelandic names. Immigrants must change their names to become citizens. Except for one man. The Icelandic Parliament specifically added a name to the list- Vladimir Ashkenazy. I love Iceland.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 15, 2005 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Linda, impeach Tony Blair? I thought all they had to do was to have a vote of no confidence in the government and he would have to resign. I haven't paid much attention, but the vote last week on confining suspects showed he doesn't have the support he once did.

Posted by: slyness | November 15, 2005 11:03 AM | Report abuse


Of course--you are right about who vomited on whom.

I only wish it could be reversed as a
token of respect, in the instant case.

Posted by: melvin/a | November 15, 2005 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately nothing less than a hurl-o-rama such as that seen in "Monty Python's Meaning of Life" would suffice to demonstrate the respect due the Dubster.

And, hey there melvin/a, who's briefin' the press?

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 15, 2005 11:28 AM | Report abuse

For any of ya'll youse you'uns who work in a building which precludes radio reception (as I do) or who need alternatives (maybe you live in rural Iceland) for commercial free classical music on the web, try WCPE-

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 15, 2005 11:59 AM | Report abuse


Another good source for public radio programs, both music and non-music, that has audio links to the programs is Public Radio Fan:

Posted by: pj | November 15, 2005 12:10 PM | Report abuse


THANKS! I've been looking for a comprehensive list of public radio stations on the Internet that I can listen to with iTunes. The format designations on the site you gave are great.

And it lists What's On Now. Cool.

What the DC area lacks is an eclectic station that plays all sorts of music all the time--mixed together. That's what I'd like to hear. I enjoy finding such stations when we travel (they are usually college or public radio stations) and now I can listen all the time. It's just been hard to find the right station at the right time in the right format.

Thanks again.

Posted by: TBG | November 15, 2005 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The British press used the term "impeachment" as regards Blair; I simply passed it on...

Here are the headline and subhead:
Blair faces new inquiry into Iraq war

Impeachment campaigners claim former ministers will join 200 supporters to force Commons probe
By James Cusick, Westminster Editor

Here's the link:

Posted by: Loomis | November 15, 2005 12:39 PM | Report abuse

American's not what's for dinner in Japan these days.

This would be funny except that prions are not a laughing matter...prions discussed in Matt Ridley's book "Genome" in Chapter 21, titled "Politics."

Ridley's epigram for the chapter:

"Oh! The roast beef of England,
And Old England's roast beef."

Henry Fielding
The Grub Street Opera

Posted by: Loomis | November 15, 2005 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link, Linda. It will be interesting to see if they get their 200 signatures.

Posted by: slyness | November 15, 2005 12:54 PM | Report abuse

A quick story before Joel refuels the Kit. Watch out.

Posted by: CowTown | November 15, 2005 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The FEMA truck, a white Ford Escalade covered in dust, pulled in front of Freddy Mason's house on Elysian Field Avenue in New Orleans. Three men wearing crisp kakis and golf shirts hopped out of the truck and approached Mr. Mason as he sat on his front steps.
"Something I can do for you gentlemen?" he asked, not getting up.
"Good morning, sir," announced James Callon, FEMA team leader, "How are ya feeling today?"
Freddy Mason looked up at Callon; his implacable expression did not reveal his bemusement, "How do I feel?" he queried.
"Well, sir," Callon continued, "As you may know, local health officials are somewhat overwhelmed by all the cases of emotional trauma arising from the storm and floods and all. We thought that we could lend a hand, and," he gestured to his two associates, "some special expertise to ease the mental anguish of New Orleans residents."
"Okay," said Mason, still suspicious.
"We noticed that you looked a little, well, forlorn," continued Callon, nodding toward the "coffee stain" on the side of Mason's house, "Considering the damage done to your house and all."
"Actually," replied Mason, "I just stopped doing my Snoopy dance and put my party hat away. Thanks for coming."
Ignoring Mason's sarcasm, Callon pressed on, "You're not sad right now? I mean, we can help."
Mason's eyes widened just enough to reveal his assessment of the prospect of FEMA helping him. He quickly recovered. "See that man sitting on his porch down the street?" Mason pointed to a lone figure sitting in a rocking chair a block away. "That's Robert. I can tell you he feels real bad right now. Why don't you go see if you can help him?"
Robert continued to rock sullenly in his chair as the FEMA team climbed the steps to his ruined home. He said nothing as they explained their purpose, and merely shrugged when they offered to help. Two of the men ran to the Escalade, threw open the back doors, and returned with a large black helmet festooned with wires. The helmet looked like the severed head of a giant ant.
"What's that," demanded Robert, looking a little fearful.
Callon announced brightly, "This is the FEMA Psychological Assessment Tool. It's designed to measure the nature and extent of your particular mental trauma. We promise it won't hurt."
Robert protested but allowed the two associates to place the helmet on his head. After making some adjustments, they connected the wires streaming from the helmet to two aluminum suitcases. A switch was thrown, and Robert sat in silence with his head totally covered by the monstrous helmet. A gentle hum filled the porch.
After a few minutes, Callon's associates gently lifted the helmet from Robert's head. Robert breathed a deep sigh, and smiled broadly.
"I feel like a new man!" Robert exclaimed to the FEMA team. Callon and associates beamed with self-satisfaction.
"I don't need to feel sorry for myself. I'm not a victim!" continued Robert.
"That's right, sir," said Callon, his voice full of encouragement.
"I'm responsible for my own destiny. I shouldn't look to the government or some insurance company to help me out!" Robert announced.
One of Callon's associates whispered to the other, "This thing really works."
"I'll rebuild my house - my life - with my own two hands, like God intended," proclaimed Robert, standing and raising his hands to the sky. "I don't need any liberal bureaucrats telling me how to lead my life."
"That's the spirit," urged Callon.
"I don't need a job," yelled Robert to the world, "I'm MY OWN BOSS! I can do anything. Create anything. With my own two hands!"
"You think we might have given him a little too much juice?" one associate asked Callon.
"Nah," Callon waved his associate away, "he'll be fine. Can't you tell his feeling better?"
Robert ran into the street, waving his arms wildly, "Come on, everybody. Let's rebuild our neighborhood. We don't need money. We don't even need materials. We'll just use our BARE HANDS!"
Mothers who had been watching from their front steps quickly grabbed their children and ushered them into their houses. Men stared in disbelief and then hurried off to avoid encountering the deranged man.
"Another neighborhood saved by FEMA," intoned Callon with quiet awe, "Can't you just feel the love?"

Posted by: BovineTruth | November 15, 2005 1:00 PM | Report abuse

The story reference is

Posted by: CowTown | November 15, 2005 1:01 PM | Report abuse

You are welcome, TBG. I like that site a lot. And now that I finally have broadband at home, I will use it a lot more.

College/public radio around here is awful if you want to listen to music. There hasn't been a college station playing a variety of music here since Georgetown pulled the plug on WGTB in the 70s.

Posted by: pj | November 15, 2005 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Just as I's all OUR fault.

Washington Post political cartoonist Tom Toles on Bush: "I didn't mislead. You misfollowed."

--from Dan Froomkin's column WaPo column today

Posted by: Loomis | November 15, 2005 1:18 PM | Report abuse

i heart you cowtown!

Posted by: mo | November 15, 2005 1:30 PM | Report abuse


Thanks. Not trying to make fun of a serious subject. Just thought about an alternative reality. Glad you enjoyed it.

Posted by: CowTown | November 15, 2005 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Whups, sorry. Boodle dead now.

Posted by: CowTown | November 15, 2005 2:08 PM | Report abuse

CowTown, another great story. It had a Twilight Zonish kind of flare to it.

kurosawaguy, I'm going through exclamation point withdrawal. Note the above, no EPs after either sentence, though sorely tempted. I don't know how much longer I can hang on............
Remember that creepy Anthony Hopkins film "Magic", the ventriloquist and his dummy, Fats? Hopkins can't keep from talking through Fats. It's starting to interfere with his personal and professional life. His agent puts him to a test: If he can keep Fats quiet for 5 minutes, no problem. But if he fails, then its off to the nearest shrink. He lasts about 45 seconds, then grabs the dummy and spews an avalance of speech.


Posted by: Nani | November 15, 2005 2:11 PM | Report abuse

CowTown, another great story. It had a Twilight Zonish kind of flare to it.

kurosawaguy, I'm going through exclamation point withdrawal. Note the above, no EPs after either sentence, though sorely tempted. I don't know how much longer I can hang on............
Remember that creepy Anthony Hopkins film "Magic", the ventriloquist and his dummy, Fats? Hopkins can't keep from talking through Fats. It's starting to interfere with his personal and professional life. His agent puts him to a test: If he can keep Fats quiet for 5 minutes, no problem. But if he fails, then its off to the nearest shrink. He lasts about 45 seconds, then grabs the dummy and spews an avalance of speech.


Posted by: Nani | November 15, 2005 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Now, look what you've done, Nani, you broke the 'boodle.

(*imagine the emoticon here*)

That movie was so scary that I've never even watched it.

But there's another ventriloquism movie that I strongly recommend: "Dummy" with Academy Award winner Adrian Brody. It's unusual and funny.

Posted by: Reader | November 15, 2005 2:31 PM | Report abuse

why do people on this blog say *heart* instread of "love." ??? it seems kind of imature, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: camisole | November 15, 2005 2:34 PM | Report abuse

*heart* instead of "love": um, because it's a joke?

Posted by: Tim | November 15, 2005 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I'll take whatever I can get. "Hearts," "loves," smiley emoticons (even though they are expressly forbidden in the Boodlesphere), even cooing noises. My inner child craves recognition, and would like to take a nap now, thank you.

Posted by: CowTown | November 15, 2005 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Just when it seems a Boodle is peterin' out, CowTown steps up to make the save.

(Minor note, whispered on the side, where nobody else can hear. Psst, Cowtown, Cadillac makes the Escalade.)

Posted by: Bayou Self | November 15, 2005 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I think that is a good question, camisole.

Maybe "heart" is a kind of "virtual" love, since we have to admit that we don't know who we're talking to/about. Instead of saying "I heart you, CowTown," maybe I would say, "I love your story," but that does not mean the same thing. "I heart you" means that, in the confines of this blog, taking you as you have presented yourself, and assuming that you are taking me in the same spirit, my blog identity loves your blog identity.

I have actually given this some thought. Can you tell?

Posted by: Reader | November 15, 2005 2:51 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: "," | November 15, 2005 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Sweet dreams, Cow Town.

Posted by: Nani | November 15, 2005 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Lots of interesting and poignant comments in this Boodle, let's keep it going. I am sorry there's been no new Kit, but I've struggling with a phenomenon known as Cascading Deadlines, and then had to detour to the Aspen Institute roundtable discussion with The Dalai Lama. I would definitely kit the DL gig this very second, but my boss says I have a full-length magazine story due in, let's see, 6 minutes. I feel an overpowering need to meditate.

Posted by: Achenbach | November 15, 2005 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Doh! I meant Excursion! Ford Excursion. That's why God made editors. Thanks, Bayou Self.

Posted by: CowTown | November 15, 2005 2:55 PM | Report abuse

PMG: Pardon my gibberish.

Posted by: Achenbach | November 15, 2005 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Reader. Sounds too mystical to me. Love is only complicated if you make it so.
Am a little creeped out by the heavy part of the explanation. But thank y'all just the same. Can't figure out if I am too young or too old for this blog. I am out of here.

Posted by: camisole | November 15, 2005 2:57 PM | Report abuse


There was a second half to my nerdy comment above where I said that although the alienated and the bizarre find a home here on Achenblog, the well-adjusted and normal are also welcome. Maybe I shouldn't have deleted that.

Posted by: Reader | November 15, 2005 3:02 PM | Report abuse

To ",":

I **art you. That's 'love' without a he in it. get it? smart, eh?

Posted by: [^**?**^] | November 15, 2005 3:02 PM | Report abuse

camisole, have you seen the bumperstickers that say I "red heart" NY, or whatever? That's where the "heart" reference comes from...yes, it's dumb. That is the point.

Posted by: slyness | November 15, 2005 3:04 PM | Report abuse

So now Joel is telling us that he can't kit because he was busy talking with the Dalai Lama.

Yeeeeeaaahhhhh... the Dalai Lama.

Well I was busy, er... uh.. oh! Briefing the press! No, wait. That's not me.

Never mind. I've been here the whole time.

Posted by: TBG | November 15, 2005 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I heart the Dalai Lama.

"Sleep is the best meditation."

-- The Dalai Lama

Posted by: Dreamer | November 15, 2005 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I note with interest the WaPo story on the 40th anniversary of "The Sound of Music". This film, or rather the popularity of this film, has always been a great mystery to me. Some nice scenery, some pretty good songs, lame story, too long. Personally I don't care if I never see a minute of it again. Its appeal seems to be primarily to persons of the female gender. If there is a male person here who likes TSOM, please speak up and explain to me why this film is worth the devotion it receives.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 15, 2005 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was:

Sheep are the best medication.

Dan Llama, 1975

Posted by: scumbunny | November 15, 2005 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Kguy, I bet you miss the weather back here. Wind is blowing 40 mph with gusts to 50.

Posted by: LB | November 15, 2005 3:14 PM | Report abuse

To Reader

Your tender explanation makes me want to take my clothes off. It's so hot here. But I don't want to upset the people in the surrounding cubes.

Posted by: anaonymousforgood reason | November 15, 2005 3:14 PM | Report abuse

More quotes from the DL:

"Whether one believes in a religion or not, and whether one believes in rebirth or not, there isn't anyone who doesn't appreciate kindness and compassion."


"This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness."


"Today, more than ever before, life must be characterized by a sense of Universal responsibility, not only nation to nation and human to human, but also human to other forms of life."


"Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them."

Posted by: Dreamer | November 15, 2005 3:15 PM | Report abuse

The hills are alive with the sound of music, a wise man once said.

And then he thought better of it, and stopped singing.

Posted by: D. Lama BeWanna | November 15, 2005 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Other movies with inexplicable (to me) devotion from members of the XX contingent known to me: "The Red Shoes" (not to be confused with Red Shoe Diaries); "Gone with the Wind"; Zeffirelli's "Rome and Juliet". They're adequate movies, even pretty good movies, but I don't get the adoration. They never seemed like movies of timeless and transcendent art like, you know, "The Road Warrior."

Posted by: Tim | November 15, 2005 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them."

Ah, yes. Have we helped anyone today? I think so--the guy or gal who wanted to take his/her clothes off, maybe.

Posted by: omnigasm | November 15, 2005 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Or other timeless movies like "Office Space."

Posted by: TBG | November 15, 2005 3:22 PM | Report abuse


I was with you 'til the end of your list of movies. I thought you were going to end with a movie true heartfelt warmth and timeless compassion: "Bambi Meets Godzilla." Now there's a classic.

I can't stand either "Gone with the Wind" or "Sound of Music."

By the way, it's "Romeo and Juliet" or, in the version Shakespeare didn't finish, "Romeo and Steve." And my favorite unfinished Shakespeare play "Hamlet, Part II: Where the hell is everybody?"

Posted by: pj | November 15, 2005 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'd rather watch The Sound of Music than Rocky Horror Picture Show--but that's not saying much. I never get tired of Casablanca--that's respectable, but the movie I've watched the most times is The Way We Were--and that is embarrassing, definitely a chick flick. On the other hand, my husband has two questions when deciding if he wants to watch a movie: (1) how long is it? (over 90 minutes is a dealbreaker) and (2) does anything blow up?
So I don't mind being associated with the distaff contingent on this issue.

Posted by: Reader | November 15, 2005 3:27 PM | Report abuse

*&%$#, been in an off-site for a day and a half, got a lot of catching up to do.

K-guy et al.: concur on "Devil in the White City"--excellent. Larson's earlier book, "Isaac's Storm," about the 1900 hurricane that killed 6,000 to 10,000 in Galveston, was IMHO even better. (The Recorded Books version was terrific, for those who prefer to listen.)

Saw the Moody Blues open for Simon and Garfunkle at the Philly Convention Center in the late 1960s; they did Days of Future Passed, quite a departure from S & G. Made people sit up and say, hey, who ARE those guys?

Saw Roy Orbison (at Meriweather Post? not sure) just two weeks before he died.

Drank my very first legal beer on the night of my 21st birthday right here in Warshington, on a 1967 road trip down from Philly, ensconced in Charlie Byrd's place (was it called the Showboat Lounge?) in the company of WaPo reporter Nick Proffitt (who later wrote novel/movie Gardens of Stone) and a mutual friend, who was a copy editor from the Arizona Republic and (at the time) Philly Inquirer. Always loved Charlie Byrd, glad I heard him in his prime. Can't think of a better way to spend one's 21st birthday.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 15, 2005 3:30 PM | Report abuse

My husband has one question when deciding if he wants to watch a movie:

"Does it have subtitles?"

Posted by: Achenfan | November 15, 2005 3:32 PM | Report abuse

i love Z's "romeo and juliet"!! but i also like the sound of music and i love the red shoes! i also like the rocky horror picture show... and office space...

Posted by: mo | November 15, 2005 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Very nice, Curmudgeon! Yes, Charlie Byrd played at the Showboat Lounge. I had to check this because the words 'Charlie Byrd' and 'showboat' do not belong in the same sentence. That must have been a lovely night.

Reader, I love "Casablanca." Saw it again just a couple of months ago. I also watched another movie I dearly love - "Singin' in the Rain."

Posted by: pj | November 15, 2005 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Thirty six minutes and counting. Still no guy love for "Mary Poppins and the Nazis". My idea of a good musical is "All That Jazz", although it is too long by about 15 minutes, and "Hair". I love the dancing police horses in the Aquarius number and Beverly D'Angelo (I've always been a sucker for an overbite).

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 15, 2005 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"Casablanca" is good, but I prefer "Streets of Fire".

Posted by: Ellen Aim | November 15, 2005 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Tim--hate to pull a "back in the day" riff on you, but the point about Zefferelli's "Romeo and Juliet" is that back in the day (1968) it was THE (sorry about the caps, but they're necessary)repeat THE Date Movie of All Time, and (back in the day) was guaranteed to get you...well, in this interest of keeping the Boodle clean and out of trouble, wink, wink, let's just say it was guaranteed. If you took a girl to that movie, and afterward didn't...well...

Back then, it was (to my recollection)the first serious movie of any kind that featured any kind of nudity. Nowadays people wouldn't even blink, but in 1968 it made audiences gasp. You have no idea the power it had. (A good runner up for...well... the same thing...was Lelouch's "A Man and a Woman." Not a money-back guarantee, but pretty close. Of course, if you could get a girl to go with you to a "foreign film" (Bergman, say), or better yet, anything French, you were halfway home anyway.)

I think "Shakespeare in Love" might be on a similar...mood-enhancing...plane, but of course the zeitgeist today is entirely different, so it's difficult to tell.

Something to ponder: back in 1942, did "Casablanca" result in...certain behaviors.... from the audience an hour or two after viewing, like R & J and AMAAW did? Hmmmm.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 15, 2005 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with Ellen.

Posted by: Billy Fish | November 15, 2005 3:54 PM | Report abuse


That's how I remember Zefferelli's movie, too. Which is why it felt very, very weird when my high school senior niece gave me a copy of it for Christmas.

Posted by: pj | November 15, 2005 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Is Jimmy still rolling?

Posted by: Anonymous | November 15, 2005 3:59 PM | Report abuse


I mean: Are we still rolling Jimmy?

Posted by: Anonymous | November 15, 2005 4:04 PM | Report abuse

It took all my teenage feminine wiles (blush)to convince Mr. Nani to take me to An American in Paris when it played at the Trail Drive-In in San Antonio, about 100 yrs. ago. He wanted to see a western. He harummped and made other noises of displeasure for the first 10 minutes or so. Then Leslie Caron danced onto the scene and he was a goner. We fell in love that night and vowed that when we grew up and got married, we'd have a daughter and name her "Leslie Caron". And that's exactly what we did.

Posted by: Nani | November 15, 2005 4:04 PM | Report abuse

That's a beautiful story, Nani.

(Perhaps we should declare November 15 to be Heart Day on the Achenblog. Much better than Umbrage Day, if you ask me.)

Posted by: Dreamer | November 15, 2005 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Joel, Nani just won this week's blog award for best post.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 15, 2005 4:08 PM | Report abuse

kurosawaguy: What red-blooded male is going to admit liking a film in which most of the males are wearing liederhosen? And where not one Nazi gets killed with a hail of bullets? Not me, uh uh.

Posted by: CowTown | November 15, 2005 4:11 PM | Report abuse

While we're talking about liederhosen -- and in light of the recent discussions of widdershins -- did you know that the German word for magician is Hexenmeister? What a great word. Hexenmeister.

Oh, and the German word for dragon is tazelwurm [or maybe it's tatzelwurm].

[Both words will be very useful additions to my German vocabulary, which is pretty much restricted to "mit," "und," and "zwei."]

Posted by: Tom fan | November 15, 2005 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"Professor, the lights on the Hexenmeister are glowing red again."

"Dash it! Clear the vents, open the bleeder valves, and take cover."

"It's been a pleasure knowing you, Professor."

"The pleasure's been all mine, son. All mine."

Posted by: CowTown | November 15, 2005 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon says,
"Back then, it was (to my recollection)the first serious movie of any kind that featured any kind of nudity. Nowadays people wouldn't even blink, but in 1968 it made audiences gasp."

All I can say is that you were going to the wrong theater! What about "Faster Pussycat, Kill! Kill!"? Actually there were nude scenes in quite a few earlier films, mostly foreign. "Belle de Jour", Polanski's "Repulsion", "Blow Up", and "Night Games". But in mainstream domestic films of the time the most widely seen were probably that pinnacle of Jane Fonda's career, "Barbarella" and the infinitely more serious "The Pawnbroker" for which Rod Steiger was Oscar nom'ed and should have won. His statue came later for the lesser (though still good) "In the Heat of the Night".

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 15, 2005 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon, you are so right, Nani won. That's a perfect Autobiography as Haiku.

Posted by: Achenbach | November 15, 2005 4:31 PM | Report abuse

He's bach!

[So where's that Kit on the Dalai Lama then, eh?]


Posted by: Dreamer | November 15, 2005 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I'm a faster reader than I thought. Still very busy at work (just not 100% busy), yet I've managed to catch up on 12 missed Kit and Kaboodles. Twelve down and four to go (been keeping up with current KKs as I catch up on past KKs). That's only 524 boodle posts.

Posted by: omnigood | November 15, 2005 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"So we finish the 18th and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, 'Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.' And he says, 'Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.'

"So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."

Posted by: Bayou Self | November 15, 2005 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Big hitter, the Lama.

Posted by: Bayou Self | November 15, 2005 4:39 PM | Report abuse

And that's why they call him the Delay Lama!

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 15, 2005 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Not to be confused with the Dilly Dally Lama.

Posted by: Achenfan | November 15, 2005 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Movies most watched? Without a doubt, Star Wars, the first 3 movies. We wore out 2 VHS sets of the first 3 movies, and have long needed a replacement. When the full 6 movie dvd set comes out I will buy it, snap it up full price and all. Star Wars is like the last kick at my missing youth. The 6th movie was one of the few that I was absolutely happy to have paid full price in the theatres.

Beyond that, I scour the clearing bins at video stores, and the previously viewed aisles. One of my all time favourite movies was "Local Hero" in a bin for 2 bucks.

JA, may the power of the force be with you while meeting your deadline.

Posted by: dr | November 15, 2005 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Bayou Self - Ha ha! The Boss will have to top that one. Very good.

Posted by: CowTown | November 15, 2005 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I apologize! How could I forget Bambi meets Godzilla? A timeless classic, for sure.

Casablnaca -- heckuva movie.

Singin' in the Rain -- one of the best comedies ever, along with The Producers. And Young Frankenstein.

I'm very fond of Nightmare Before Christmas.

I'm a big fan of most anything by Miyazaki. I'm especially a fan of Castle in the Sky. Not as good as Spirited Away in most ways, but I love the depictions of flight. Porco Rosso,a decidedly second-rate anime, gets my affection for that reason, too.

I met my wife in the three-primary color glow of video monitors displaying the light of the planet Jupiter's ultraviolet auroral glow. I don't think it competes with Nani's story, which is fine, because I loved her story.

Posted by: Tim | November 15, 2005 4:54 PM | Report abuse

K-guy, you're probably correct, at least in a technical sense, and I don't remember the sequence of which of those films came first. Never did see "Faster Pussycat," so don't know. But the context I'm talking about was the "date" movie as well as the context of the "tasteful" nude scene. Yes, there were other nude scenes, but I still think I'm right in the sense of it being the first time you saw "tatseful" nudity (as opposed to, say, Blow Up or Barbarella) in the company of a girl date (instead of "with the guys)...and more importantly, in the context Doing You Some Good, Later On, If You Know What I Mean. Blow Up and Barbarella (a horrible "date" movie, if you were hoping to ah..well...) didn't accomplish the same ends.

I don't think I saw "Night Games" then, though saw it later on.

The other one that I DO remember having a terrific scene in it was the Swedish movie "Dear John," with Max Von Sydow--a great, great flick, now pretty much forgotten. And it had the great scene under/at/on the tree. (People did it outside? In the weather? Who knew?)

Yes, The Pawnbroker was an outstanding film, and yes, it had nudity. But it was perhaps one of the most depressing, "downer" movies I've ever seen, even to this day, and sure as heck not a "date" movie. It, too came with a guarantee: "If you think you're gonna score tonight, pal, you can forget it." But yes, it was a great, great movie. Steiger was unbelievable.

I remember when the Bardot movies all came out, but I was too young to see them, and by the time I was old enough there was "I Am Curious Yellow," etc., and Bardot was passe.

I was also too young for the original run of "Anatomy of a Murder," which had no nudity but which discussed a topic Unsuitable For Young Ears (rape). Turns out it was a pretty good flick, though nowadays even tamer than a tame episode of Law and Order SVU. But it was hot hot hot back in the day.

And then there was page 86 of James Michener's Hawaii, and page 116 and page 298 of The Carpetbaggers, and Nevada Smith's search for the guy with the tobacco bag...

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 15, 2005 4:58 PM | Report abuse

So what is Nani's prize?

Posted by: Anonymous | November 15, 2005 4:59 PM | Report abuse

It is only Tuesday, how can a winner have been picked already?
And bc should be in the running, huh?

Posted by: sarafan | November 15, 2005 5:07 PM | Report abuse

don't forget dr, now

Posted by: drfan | November 15, 2005 5:10 PM | Report abuse

and don't forget CowTown, too

Posted by: CowTownFan | November 15, 2005 5:11 PM | Report abuse

it goes without saying (having been an acting major) that i'm a big fan of the musicals:
hello dolly
singin in the rain (good mornin good mornin)
cabaret (can't remember if any nazis get shot)

Posted by: mo | November 15, 2005 5:11 PM | Report abuse

oh, my, we need also to consider the obvious, certainly for best quotations at a minimum, Achen Fan.

Posted by: AchenfanFan | November 15, 2005 5:13 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: mofan | November 15, 2005 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't think any of us would begrudge Nani her prize. And I have no problem with prizes being awarded on random days of the week. Because:

"Ye know know what hour your Great Achz doth come to deliver the prize."

Posted by: Achenfan | November 15, 2005 5:19 PM | Report abuse

all 4 of us, too.

Posted by: omnifanfanfanfan | November 15, 2005 5:20 PM | Report abuse

mofan? um.... ok.......

Posted by: mo | November 15, 2005 5:21 PM | Report abuse

There were my poignant rock-concert memories. And CowTown's FEMA story. (Face it, if we combined a FEMA story with some rock-concert memories, we'd be in Joel's key demographic.)

And a story such as Nani's and bc's, as nice as they are, what with the requited and unrequited love and all that, aren't particularly manly stories. If Joel goes picking stuff like that, he'll be hooted out of the WP columnist lounge.

Posted by: Bayou Self | November 15, 2005 5:21 PM | Report abuse

quest-ce que c'est "know know?"

like "fan fan?"

Posted by: Anonymous | November 15, 2005 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Casablanca, I meant.

"Back in the day" with Z's R&J, I was a sprout. I fell asleep in the back seat of the VW beetle before anything interesting happened or got displayed -- which would have been icky, anyway, to a mere sprout.

My first movie nudity that mattered to me was, shockingly, on a school field trip. We went to the old Flower Theatre in Silver Spring (already a bit seedy c. 1975, when I think this was) to see Walkabout. I was shocked to see so very much of the shapely and nubile Jenny Agutter. I didn't (and don't) recall anything like that from the novel. Not to mention the finger-sucking scene with the otherwise irrelevant scientists(?)/explorers(?) who were, apparently, in easy reach of the missing young persons. A very tough scene for a 13-year old. I seemed to be the only one who noticed that Jenny was so very, very interestingly naked. Nothing mentioned by my fellow students, no pale and terrfiied teachers. Did I fall asleep and dream it?

When I saw Jenny Agutter in Logan's Run, I realized that she must appear nude at least once in every movie. I never saw Equus, but I recall that there's some nudity in that, too. Well, I guess you play to your strengths, and that certainly seems to have been a strength for her. Plus those green eyes. Wow!

Posted by: Tim | November 15, 2005 5:23 PM | Report abuse

And hey, I think everybody has to admit that was pretty good with the "requited and unrequited love." That's the sort of writerly stuff Joel is looking for, eh? (But, okay, without the "eh," because that's so Canadian.)

Posted by: Bayou Self | November 15, 2005 5:24 PM | Report abuse

there's always the set of posts by the lady from Nigeria or the neighboring country, I forget.

Posted by: orifice | November 15, 2005 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I meant, a tough scene for a 13-year old to see. It awakened ... urges. Jenny Agutter must have already been an older woman of about 18-20. Plyaing a part appropriate to a 14-year old girl. But with nudity.

Posted by: Tim | November 15, 2005 5:30 PM | Report abuse

what do you mean by ".....urges?" Tell us more.

Posted by: hotrockette | November 15, 2005 5:34 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong, orifice? Where are you going with all this?

(Do you know where you're going to? Do you like the things that life is showing you? Where are you going to? Do you know?)

(Did you get what you're hoping for?)

Posted by: Dreamer | November 15, 2005 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Nani wins the prize. No contest.

Posted by: dr | November 15, 2005 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Nani's story is an excellent Autobiography as Haiku. So sweet.

Tim, there's nothing wrong with lusting after Jenny Agutter. Don't sweat it, bud.

Posted by: pj | November 15, 2005 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Achenfan - You made an ERROR! I'm shocked. Are you OK? YOu wrote, "Ye know know what hour your Great Achz doth come to deliver the prize."

I submit that it should read, "Ye shall never know what hour your Great Achz doth..."

With which I agree.

Posted by: CowTown | November 15, 2005 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Dang it. My mind was clear today till I read the much nicer lyrics Dreamer posted. And now back to my regularly scheduled song loop, "well, you can tell by the way I use my walk I'm a woman's man, no time to talk"

Posted by: dr | November 15, 2005 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, CowTown. You're right.

SCC entry:
"Ye know NOT what hour . . ."

I submit that I perhaps am not OK, despite the title of that popular self-help book.

Posted by: Achenfan | November 15, 2005 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Achenfan - Well, if it means anything. I think you're OK, even if you don't *feel* OK. OK?

And now I must depart for the evening. Night all. Nani, good work.

Posted by: CowTown | November 15, 2005 6:04 PM | Report abuse

dr - HAH!!! disco lives!!
what i find ironic (proper use of the word?) is that the song is about an article in the NYT...

Posted by: mo | November 15, 2005 6:05 PM | Report abuse

btw - did we ever decide a location for the 3rd Official BPH?

Posted by: mo | November 15, 2005 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, CowTown. You're OK too. I'm OK, You're OK. Mmmm-kay?

Posted by: Achenfan | November 15, 2005 6:09 PM | Report abuse

More lyrics . . .

[Not disco though]

Any Road

I've been traveling on a boat and a plane
In a car on a bike with a bus and a train
Traveling there and traveling here
Everywhere in every gear

But oh Lord we pay the price
Spin of a wheel -- with a roll of a dice
Ah yeah you pay your fare
And if you don't know where you're going
Any road'll take you there

You may not know where you came from
May not know who you are
May not have even wondered
How you got this far

I've been traveling on a wing and a prayer
By the skin of my teeth by the breadth of a hair
Traveling where the four winds blow
With the sun on my face
In the ice and the snow

But oooeee it's a game
Sometimes you're cool, sometimes you're lame
Ah yeah it's somewhere
And if you don't know where you're going
Any road'll take you there

-- from the album "Brainwashed," by George Harrison

[OK, I'll admit it -- George is my favorite Beatle.]

Posted by: Dreamer | November 15, 2005 6:12 PM | Report abuse

nani - a jazz fan and the first achenblog prize winner! you're definitely TOPS in my book!

Bayou Self - trane and monk...excellent choice! you might also like the duke/trane cd and the johnny hartman/trane cd.

btw, i saw spinal tap - live! (i don't think they ever toured) i was in the audience for 'saturday night live' and they were the guest band. i don't think anyone there knew that it was all one big joke.

Posted by: ot | November 15, 2005 6:21 PM | Report abuse

More movie trivia- major portions of "Logan's Run" were filmed in Dallas and Fort Worth to take advantage of the futuristic architecture. Believe it.
Re: "Walkabout" David Gulpilil, the Aborigine actor, was also in "The Last Wave" and "Rabbit Proof Fence"(both worth seeing) as well as "Crocodile Dundee"(not so much).
Re: "Urges", watch Catherine Deneuve in "Belle de Jour". Discuss what was in the little wooden box the oriental man brought to the bordello.
Re: NYT piece on "juiced" writers. Does JA partake of comedy enhancing substances? Humoroids?

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 15, 2005 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Mo, no way. Tell me about the NYT peice, because sadly disco is not dead, or smited, it just went underground and morphed into hip hop.

RAbbit Proof fence is very worth seeing. I always wonder how Kenneth Branagh finds these roles, or they find him.

Posted by: dr | November 15, 2005 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Saw the "11:14" DVD over the weekend and would recommend--as the DVD casing (dustjacket) explains--a rather quirky combination of "Crash" and "Memento." It's got San Antonio's Henry Thomas (remember "ET"?) in it.

Source of storyline synopsis:
Editorial Reviews:

How is it possible that 11:14 went virtually unreleased in theaters? After modest film-festival exposure, it played briefly in San Francisco in August 2005 (over two years after it was completed), but that's a cruel twist of fate for such a cleverly twisted movie about cruel twists of fate.

Destined for sleeper status on DVD (and given a slightly higher profile by Hilary Swank's subsequent Oscar-winning performance in Million Dollar Baby), the audacious debut of writer-director Greg Marcks boasts a fantastic cast in a smartly constructed comedy/thriller, partly inspired by Blood Simple, in which a fatal traffic accident is examined and re-examined from multiple perspectives.

The flashback structure involves all of the characters and events that lead up to the accident's deadly occurrence at 11:14 on an otherwise pleasant evening in Middleton, a typical suburb of Anytown, USA (filmed in the vicinity of Los Angeles).

Marcks's screenplay attracted an impressive ensemble cast (costar Swank also signed on as an executive producer), and they're all given equal time as the intertwined plots are revealed. They include Rachael Leigh Cook (whose bad-girl behavior sets the chain of events in motion); Patrick Swayze and Barbara Hershey as her worried parents; Swank and Shawn Hatosy as would-be criminals with a dimwit plan; Henry Thomas as a drunk driver whose involvement is deeper than we realize; and Colin Hanks as one of three teenage vandals on a fast track to trouble.

With falling corpses, graveyard sex, reckless gunplay, and a severed penis, it's all in good, grisly fun (apart from intricate plotting, Marcks has no lofty agenda up his sleeve), and there's ultimately not much point to its random misfortune, but 11:14 is clearly the work of a promising filmmaker, worthy of rediscovery on DVD.

--Jeff Shannon

Posted by: Loomis | November 15, 2005 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Achen Fan,

Some of us are your fans. You're more than OK.

Onwards and Upwards. We hope your upsettedness passes. Tomorrow is a brighter day for us all.

Posted by: orifice | November 15, 2005 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I think Nani should get the prize...remind me, just what is the prize?

Posted by: newkidontheblog | November 15, 2005 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Can you say a little more about the flick "Belle du Jour"?--sounds interesting.

Had to laugh at Cowtown's use of German this afternoon:

Liederhosen: Pants full of song
Lederhosen: German leather "hot pants: for men.

"The hills are alive, with pants full of music, with songs they have sung, for a thousand years...The hills fill my pants with the sound of music, My heart wants to sing every song it hears."

With serious apologies to Julie Andrews.

"The Sound Of Music" was my first date by automobile in high school. Lee B. drove me to the movieplex, only to find that the film was sold out, so we had pizza at a nearby pizza joint instead.

Posted by: Loomis | November 15, 2005 7:33 PM | Report abuse

did you say: smoked a joint at a nearby pizza place? that would be contemporaneous societal environment.

Posted by: conehead | November 15, 2005 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Earliest Hollywood "urges": Natalie Wood in "Splendor in the Grass." Also a very serious thing for Jill Haworth in "Exodus."

And yes, somewhat later, Jenny Agutter.

Sudden realization of "the older woman" thing: Jennifer O'Neill in "Summer of '42." Oh yeah. Absolutely. No question about it. Uh huh. Definitely. How could I have been so blind, so stupid, so unthinking, until now? Why, there's a whole new universe of ...them...out there...

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 15, 2005 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Colin Firth.
Colin Firth!

sigh, colin firth

Posted by: l OO mis | November 15, 2005 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Ohhhhhh Blood Simple! Bound! Red Rock West! Last Seduction! Body Heat!
Jennifer O'Neil Scanners! But MY head is not exploding.
Loomis, it is just about impossible to say a little about "Belle de Jour". Directed by Luis Bunuel=staarange, but cool. Handsome doctor and beautiful wife have dysfunctional marriage cause she's a bit chilly. She decides to overcome her problemo by becoming a hooker(only works days, hence the title). She is so successful that she starts to love her day job. She seeks out the hard to please clients- the gangster, the necrophile, the oriental man with the wooden box. Intermixed are fantasy sequences (ya think?) depicting her hangups and various strangeness. Hilarity ensues, not. Also very interesting by the same guy- Exterminating Angel.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 15, 2005 9:09 PM | Report abuse

K-guy, Gina Gershon shoulda won a nomination for "Bound," if not the Oscar its own self. She was terrific in that. That was a movie that knocked my sox off.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 15, 2005 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Nani, thanks for the beautifully written comments today.

pj - I spent many a day and night at WGTB - had lots of friends who DJ'd and engineered there (I just hung out). Nice to know someone remembers. It was sad when Georgetown pulled the plug.

Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet was breathtaking - the actors were so young, and sexy, which was why we were swooning over it. Gorgeous music, too - A Time for Us was my high school class song.

A Man and a Woman is another one that I loved - so tragic. I listened to the soundtrack over and over.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 15, 2005 9:28 PM | Report abuse

note to mo - Madonna apparently has gone back to disco with her new CD. Maybe you'll like it.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 15, 2005 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Dreamer, George Harrison became my favorite Beatle. Love that song - I nearly posted it yesterday - the CD's sitting right here on my desk. The Concert for George is one of those tapes I never tire of watching. Wish he was still here.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 15, 2005 9:39 PM | Report abuse

One of the nice things about A Man and a Woman, aside from Anouk Aimee(wow), is the way the principles interact with the children as they work their way into a relationship. This is all shown in montage, beautifully.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 15, 2005 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Dreamer, you have to hear that your revival of the old Mariah Carey lyrics have set off the old 47-year old momma - there's been a lot of singing while transferring laundry tonight, much to the consternation of the offspring! I'm frustrated though, I remember the chorus, but the tune of the verses eludes me. Googled ad infinitum - tell me. What does one do post Napster lawsuits - how do you make your computer reveal the melody, not just the lyrics.

Must know.

Posted by: Cat Keeper | November 15, 2005 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, that was "Thanks for your trouble, Dreamer."

Getting more sloppy with each passing day.

Do you know, where you're going to,
Do you like the things that life is showing you,
Do you know ....

Can't get it out of my head.

Posted by: Cat Keeper | November 15, 2005 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Trying to shift gears -

Freude, schöner Götterfunken
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische, dein Heiligtum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder
Was die Mode streng geteilt;
Alle Menschen werden Brüder,
Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Nothing like singing the chorus of the 9th to flush other tunes from one's brain. You've gotta love "feuertrunken" - literally "fire drunken." Did this deaf guy know how to party or what?

Posted by: Cat Keeper | November 15, 2005 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Cat Keeper,

The iTunes store lets you listen to 30-second clips of the songs they sell (and they have a huge selection of songs). Go to and download the free iTunes.

Many forgotten melodies have been revealed this way in my family.

Posted by: TBG | November 16, 2005 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Woodward is just now coming out of the woodwork? Bobby, you got alotta
'splainin' to do.

Posted by: Loomis | November 16, 2005 8:36 AM | Report abuse

The jokes are already starting..."Shallow Throat," who'da thunk it?

From Howie Kurtz's WaPo column this morning...

"Looks like there was another journalist enmeshed in the Plame case, right in the midst of all us Washington Post types:

"Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward testified under oath Monday in the CIA leak case that a senior administration official told him about CIA operative Valerie Plame and her position at the agency nearly a month before her identity was disclosed.

"In a more than two-hour deposition, Woodward told Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald that the official casually told him in mid-June 2003 that Plame worked as a CIA analyst on weapons of mass destruction, and that he did not believe the information to be classified or sensitive, according to a statement Woodward released yesterday."

Hmmm . . . Who was this Shallow Throat, and why is this the first we're hearing about it?

Posted by: Loomis | November 16, 2005 9:17 AM | Report abuse

What's Nani getting a prize for? I'm glad she's getting a prize, she deserves a prize. I missed the entire prize conversation though because the power went out at work yesterday afternoon for the last hour so no one could do anything but sit around. I made the most of it and called the fiance. He was home sick.

Posted by: Sara | November 16, 2005 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Ladies, Gentlemen. There's a new kit. Please proceed carefully down the hall and turn at the velvet ropes. An attendant will be with you shortly. Have a nice Boodle.

Posted by: CowTown | November 16, 2005 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Joel recently announced the implementation of a "Boodler of the Week Award":

"I had a thought: That we ought to have a Boodler of the Week Award, or something like that, where the best single comment of the week gets some incredible prize. Like the Style Invite. Rip off the Czar's system. Maybe starting with this week's Boodles."

-- from the Kaboodle under the Kit "The Double Helix, and Other Stuff," November 11, 2005

Ha ha!

Posted by: Tom fan | November 16, 2005 10:09 AM | Report abuse


Check out Nani's posting at 4:04:44 pm yesterday. It is prize-worthy.

You should also read her posting at 9:35:01 am yesterday and bc's posting at 10:05:52 yesterday morning. Both are very touching.

Posted by: pj | November 16, 2005 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Oh, Sara - happy belated birthday to you and Congratulations on your News!

Posted by: pj | November 16, 2005 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Yeah -- that too, Sara. Congratulations!!!! [Four exclamation points warranted.]

Posted by: Tom fan | November 16, 2005 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, guys! Sorry I've been scarce lately. Been out of town and that caused work to pile up. And in my spare time (which is scarce as well) I'm looking at flowers and dresses and veils and being generally twitterpated and girly.

Posted by: Sara | November 16, 2005 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Printed food ... is paper!

Posted by: Charlton | November 16, 2005 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I know its only rock and roll.....but I like it

Posted by: sheliah | December 2, 2005 9:20 PM | Report abuse

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