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    George W. Bush has been president for precisely five years. By my reckoning that means he can serve for another three years, unless, after consultation with the Attorney General, he exercises his Executive Privilege to void the Constitution entirely and declare himself President For Life. I'm not saying that'll happen! We're not political here. We're objective. It's much more likely that he will declare that he didn't really win in 2000, and therefore should be permitted to run again in 2008.

    Fortunately, the 22nd Amendment anticipates that argument. Please read carefully the wording of the amendment: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. " In other words, since Bush served more than two years of what would have been Gore's first presidential term, he was only eligible to be elected once.

    Nonetheless, the amendment has an enormous loophole. It fails to take into account the fact that our perception of time, and of the duration of presidential administrations, is highly subjective. The four-year term is an artifact of the 18th century. In an accelerated society, four years can sometimes seem much shorter or much longer, depending upon the intensity of media coverage of a presidency, and whether we're getting fed up with someone. It's well known among historians, for example, that the Millard Fillmore presidency seemed to go on for a full century. Whereas the first Grover Cleveland presidency was so forgettable that people literally forgot he had been president, and a few years later elected him again for what they thought was the first time.

    Thus a new amendment could stipulate that a president can serve what feels like two terms. Which might be anything from three months to 40 years. Let's think out of the box for once. Let's restore feelings to their rightful place at the center of American democracy. Numbers don't matter. What matters is if we're in the mood.

By Joel Achenbach  |  January 20, 2006; 9:12 AM ET
 
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So if I'm understanding you correctly, Joel, what you're proposing is that a kind of popup timer like the one in the Thanksgiving turkey be installed in the president on inauguration day and when it pops, he's done. I like it. Can I be the one to install it in GWB? Pleasepleaseplease, can I?

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 20, 2006 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"Popup turkey timer"

Nice tie-in to yesterdays kit!

Posted by: M. Fillmore | January 20, 2006 9:47 AM | Report abuse

K-Guy, I can only guess where you'd install that timer, you devil you.

Remember when Reagan was president? Many of his supporters wanted to amend the 22nd Amendment to change presidential terms to a single 10 year term. While I admired President Reagan, I very very pleased that this idea never made it off the chalk board. Imagine: Ten years of W. The mind reels.

Posted by: CowTown | January 20, 2006 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Obviously the wording of the ammendment was affected by FDR and Harry Truman.

So, if Gerald Ford wanted to run again (hopefully he can recover from his health problems), he can only serve one more term (and the answer to the trivia quesion: who was the only US President in the last half century to not be sworn into office on January 20?).

We could set the subjective time for the GWB terms by how far he's setting our country back. Joel, I agree with you - 40 years feels just about right. Time to "Meet the Beatles", I guess...

bc

Posted by: bc | January 20, 2006 9:53 AM | Report abuse

PS. Yes, I know that "Meet the Beatles" was released in the US on January 20, 1964, not 1966.

bc

Posted by: bc | January 20, 2006 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I don't mean to be a pain in the turkey-pop-up-timer-position but did JA use forbidden words in the Kit?

Posted by: newkidontheblog | January 20, 2006 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Why, Joel, I b'lieve I have a tear in my eye. Makes me wanna croon out a little ballad or two. In fact, I have one now, all about them feelings you're talkin' about, a tune I call "Feelings," and it goes a little something...like this:

Feelings, I've Achenblogged my feelings
Trying to forget my presidential role
Teardrops rolling down on my face
Trying to forget I appointed Karl Rove

Harriet, for all my term I'll carry it
I wish I've never named you, girl,
To the U.S. Sooopreme Court
Alito, woo-o-o Alito
Woo-o-o, shoulda named Alito, from the very start.

Colin, Colin, I have lost you
Just because Dick said I should invade Iraq
Cheney, all my life listening to Dick Cheney
I wish I've never met that guy, or Rummy and that Wolfowitzy guy

Feelings, feelings like I've never lost that vote
That Jeb and Kathryn Harris stole in sunny Florida
Hanging chad, woo-o-o it sure made me mad,
Feelings, woo-o-o, wish I had me some
But I guess it's way too late.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 20, 2006 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, and here I go, right off the topic...

Girl Scout Cookies have made their first appearance in my office this morning and that reminds me that there is a great program in place wherein the USO will send Girl Scout Cookies to the troops on your behalf. This is good on many levels because the scouts make money, the troops get cookies, Girl Scout cookies have a high content of nostalgia and tradition and good old American Values and so on.

Click here to buy some cookies for the men and women serving their country:

http://www.gssp.org/cookie_uso.htm

I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...

Posted by: Reader | January 20, 2006 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Reader: Thank you. I think it's an indication of how huge this blog has gotten that it now has it's own PSA's. Very cool.

Posted by: CowTown | January 20, 2006 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Izzit too late to nominate 'Mudge for the comedy Grammy?

And newkid, which forbidden words?
"Constitution"?
"the"?
"of"?
"Grover Cleveland"?

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 20, 2006 10:05 AM | Report abuse

And here I thought Joel would be writing about the Mamas and the Papas, as well as the Eagles, being inducted on this day in 1998 into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Or how, on this date in 1949 (before my time), J. Edgar Hoover gave Shirley Temple a tear gas fountain pen.

http://www.brainyhistory.com/days/january_20.html

But then, tossing aside those ideas as lame, I figured Joel's Kit today (about which he hinted last night) would have to do with our nation's history of inaugurations:

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/today/jan20.html

Only to discover that it's about George W. Bush! And then to read further and find that my presidential relatives--Fillmore and Cleveland--are included, to the exclusion of a number of other Prezzes. Hey, at least Fillmore and his wife put the first presidential library in the White House to make time go faster. I know Laura Bush is thankful for that, given that her husband's presidency is draggin' on ad infinitum, he having already jumped the shark.

Nice to hear from pear in Eureka, Calif., late in the last Boodle. What was Fort Humboldt is now situated in south-central Eureka, where relative Hiram Ulyssses Grant first mustered out of the U.S. Army, later to muster back in.

Hey, LindaLoo going to get a looky-loo at a (former) president fairly up close and personal when George H.W. Bush talks at Trinity University here in town on April 4. Bob Woodward will be in town on Feb. 21 at the Doubletree Hotel as part of another of Trinity's ($$$) lecture series, but the event is already sold out, as is the second ($$$) on April 18 with Christiane Amanpour (was she really wiretapped?). Would love to throw a question or two Woodward's way.

Posted by: Loomis | January 20, 2006 10:11 AM | Report abuse

newkid:

On Jan 19 (9:35AM) Joel posted:
"I am hereby retracting the prohibition on the use of "is" and "are" and so on, on grounds that it wasn't even fun for a day."

This was just before he implemented some new rules:
"You can post a comment under any handle you want, but a person's name belongs to that person. Posting under a profusion of different names, Loper-style, is also a drag for everyone else. And Hal really does mean it when he says we will not allow excessive profanity. My own feeling is that the profanity gets excessive when it goes beyond "heck" and "darn." "

Posted by: G. Cleveland | January 20, 2006 10:17 AM | Report abuse

At the YMCA in Springfield, Massachusetts, the first official basketball game is played on January 20, 1892.

Posted by: James Naismith | January 20, 2006 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Reader, I fear I have some bad news for you and all those Girl Scouts selling those cookies. For more than half a century, I was the guy who bought about 200,000 boxes of GS Cookies, specifically the mint cookies. Dare I say it? Those mint cookies were better than sex. Yes, I know this is a controversial statement, but I stand by it. Those cookies were great (and the buzz lasted longer, too).

But Reader, here's the bad news. Earlier this year I was diagnosed with diabetes. So this year I cannot buy any more of my beloved mint cookies. I realize this will represent a loss of income to the Girl Scouts upwards of several million dollars,which is why I'm telling you now to alert the GSA that it's going to have to get by this year (and in the future) without me.

Believe me, no one is more upset about this than me. I loved those darn things.

(P.S. The peanut butter ones were terrific, too.)

(P.S. P.S. I'm sure my wife will probably buy some Samoas, but those two or three boxes (which she'll probably stash at her work, where I can't get at them) will in no way compensate the GSA for the lack of income caused by my predicament.)

Please tell the girls I'm sorry.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 20, 2006 10:19 AM | Report abuse

On this day in history...what you can't do with a peach basket and a ball...I see James Naismith beat me to it. Massachusetts history!

Basketball is unique in that it was invented by one person, rather than evolving from a different sport. In early December 1891, Dr. James Naismith, a Canadian-born American physician and minister on the faculty of a college for YMCA professionals (today, Springfield College) in Springfield, Massachusetts, sought a vigorous indoor game to keep young men occupied during the long New England winters. Legend has it that, after rejecting other ideas as either too rough or poorly suited to walled-in gymnasiums, he wrote the basic rules, and nailed a peach basket onto the gym wall. The first official game was played in the YMCA gymnasium on January 20, 1892. At that time, it was played with nine players on a court just half the size of a present-day NBA court. "Basket ball", the name suggested by one of his students, was popular from the beginning, and with its early adherents being dispatched to YMCAs throughout the United States, the game was soon played all over the country.

Posted by: Loomis | January 20, 2006 10:24 AM | Report abuse

You can buy Girl Scout cookies online? And all this time I've been hoping that each year a girl scout would find me! I'm on my way! Peanut Butter Tag-A-Longs here I come!

Posted by: Sara | January 20, 2006 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Dang it. That's just to donate. Can you buy them online?

Posted by: Sara | January 20, 2006 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Now I sound like a grinch. I'm not against donating. But I still want to know if they can be bought online.

Posted by: Sara | January 20, 2006 10:27 AM | Report abuse

For Science Tim:

On January 20, 1969, the first pulsar is discovered, in the Crab Nebula.

To me, this sounds like something from Spongebob.

Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk | January 20, 2006 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon, that is bad news for you, certainly. But the Girl Scouts do have "dietetic" cookies for diabetics, at least they did when I was going door to door with my daughter a few years ago. I know, it's not the same. Better you should commit to the good life--healthy food and lots of exercise, and keep the disease under control so you can stick around and provide amusement to the kaboodle and others for as long as possible.

Posted by: Reader | January 20, 2006 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Flashback to previous boodle:

January 20, 1981: Iran releases 52 American hostages bare minutes after Ronald Reagan is inaugurated as U.S. President.

Posted by: J. Carter | January 20, 2006 10:30 AM | Report abuse

An equally important date in basketball history would be the one where somebody got the bright idea of cutting the bottom out of the peach basket, so that a guy didn't have to stand on a ladder for the whole game, retrieving successful shots.

One thing I like about the phrase "pop-up turkey timer" is ... it's fun to say!

Posted by: Bayou Self | January 20, 2006 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Those [Girl Scout] mint cookies were better than sex.

[So, that explains it?] Probably the single best 20 minutes of the entire 11-day cruise:

On the cruise ship, in the elevator one afternoon, we ran into an older couple, and the man was wearing a blazer patch we recognized, of the Navy. We got to chatting in the corridor when we got off the elevator, and for 20 minutes (while his wife stood by patiently, if proudly), he described to us his military career as the CIC (combat information center) and radar officer of the destroyer USS Izard (DD 589) and her WWII career at Okinawa, Kwajalein, Truk and Iwo Jima.

Posted by: G. Ford | January 20, 2006 10:31 AM | Report abuse

January 20, 1958: Elvis Presley receives his draft notice.

Posted by: Colonel Tom Parker | January 20, 2006 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, the turkey story in that last kit was so funny. I really enjoyed it, and laughed out loud.


Nani, you're so right, we shouldn't hate anyone. Not necessarily love what they do, but never hate them. Scriptures says that we all fall short.

I teach Sunday school sometimes, and one of the students ask me if we're suppose to pray for our current president, Mr. Bush. This is a small African-American church, and everyone looked at me real hard, and my answer was, yes, we are to pray for all of our leaders in this country, because it is what God would have us to do, through Christ, so that we may have peace in this world. Prayer is never wrong even for those we feel are wrong. We pray even for our enemies.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 20, 2006 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Cookies can't be bought online. I've never seen a girl scout come to a college apartment complex. I'm basically out of luck.

Posted by: Sara | January 20, 2006 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Has the fat content/calories per cookie of Girl Scout Cookies changed? Also, are the FDA's trans fat labeling guidelines in place yet, in January 2006? The following comes from a 2004 article in the San Francisco Chronicle:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/03/06/MNG4F5FR1E1.DTL

Nutritionists who are trying to help the nation trim calories and avoid dangerous trans fat might not be as pleased. The Girl Scouts' national office has received complaints because the cookies are made with plenty of partially hydrogenated vegetable oil -- think Crisco or margarine -- which the Food and Drug Administration and the nation's top medical researchers agree is the most dangerous fat in the human diet.

The artificially manufactured fat, which raises bad cholesterol, lowers good cholesterol and is suspected of interfering with the body's metabolic process, is considered so unhealthy that the FDA is forcing companies to disclose trans fat amounts on food labels by 2006.

Finding an inexpensive alternative, as food manufacturers from Kraft Foods to McDonald's are finding out, is one of the most vexing issues in the food business today.

But the intrepid Girl Scouts are trying.

"We're actually fast-tracking that ourselves," said Nikki Van Ausdall, spokeswoman for the Girl Scouts of San Francisco Bay Area, which has a membership of about 30,000 girls.

Trans fat amounts will be listed on cookie boxes next year -- a year ahead of the FDA mandate -- and the companies that bake Girl Scout cookies are being encouraged to find an alternative oil as soon as possible, she said.

"I think people are really understanding of the fact that nearly every cookie in the grocery store has trans fat in it and that we are working toward resolving this," Van Ausdall said.

She also points out that one of two new cookies this year, the Lemon Cooler, has less fat than other Girl Scout cookies. In fact, each cookie has 26 calories and less than a gram of fat, which includes trans fat. One Thin Mint, the most popular cookie, has 35 calories and 3.5 grams of fat, about half of which is trans fat. The most fattening cookies, if you're worried about it, are the Samoas. One cookie is 75 calories and 4 grams of fat.

Posted by: Loomis | January 20, 2006 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Sara,
Do an internet search of your local Girl Scout Council/Neighborhood and give themm a call.
I would bet they would send out a small army of Girl Scouts if they realized the untapped marketing potential that you represent.

Posted by: esskay | January 20, 2006 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I suppose I should add here that though the Administration is setting our country back 40 years or so, it feels like The GW Bush Presidency Volumes I and II has been in place longer than the Holy Roman Empire.

bc

Posted by: bc | January 20, 2006 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Sara, look in the phone directory for your local Girl Scout Council and give them a call. I'm sure they'd be delighted to refer you to a nearby troop.

Posted by: slyness | January 20, 2006 10:43 AM | Report abuse

January 20, 1986: Martin Luther King, Jr., day was celebrated as a federal holiday for the first time.

By the way, 'mudge, the "G. Ford" comment was not me!

Posted by: J. Carter | January 20, 2006 10:43 AM | Report abuse

What can I tell ya, G. Ford. I enjoy talking to WWII veterans about their experiences. And I have an addiction to GSA mint cookies (did I ever mention my addiction to those cookies was so bad that in my youth I once ran my car into a police cruiser and spent three months in jail, before enduring a long, harsh rehabilitation? No? I'm writing my memoirs about it, called "A Million Little Mint Wafer Crumbs.")

Seriously, interviewing WWII veterans (and once, a WWI veteran, who was one of the "Polar Bears" in the AEF that invaded Vladivostock) is one of the most enjoyable things I've ever done (see earlier kit about writing obituaries, etc.).

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 20, 2006 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Did someone mention the Holy Roman Empire?

Posted by: Charlemagne | January 20, 2006 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Okay, back on topic: last night I looked up "January 20" on the internet (obviously I wasn't the only one, so don't rush to hand me the Geek of the Week award)--I found a Cafe Press site (I don't own stock in that company, really, but maybe I should buy some) that is selling merchandise with the slogan, "January 20, 2009: Hang in there, America!" That's funny, in a way, but on second thought, it's sobering: there's absolutely no guarantee that the current regime is going to give up power on that date. We have to wait, but "just waiting" is not really a viable option. Please consider being politically active: lend your support to organizations that are working for the future that you wish for.

Posted by: Reader | January 20, 2006 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, is there anyone who isn't in love with girl scout cookies? It's hard-wired, genetics and stuff.

Posted by: LP | January 20, 2006 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Reader, I'm right with you. Three more years! We can survive three more years!

Posted by: slyness | January 20, 2006 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of fatty foods (and corruption...anyone mention corruption yet in the Boodle?), Eugene Robinson's op-ed is pretty funny today:

On Tuesday Hastert overcame his shock long enough to present a Republican plan for draining the ethical swamp -- no privately funded travel, tougher limits on gifts from lobbyists, more disclosure. Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.), complaining about the proposal to lower the gift limit from $50 to $20, raised the specter of lobbyists wining and dining legislators at McDonald's.

The horror, the horror.

Democrats, releasing their plan on Wednesday, upped the ante with a proposal to eliminate even Big Macs: no lobbyist gifts whatsoever. But they also ventured closer to the rotten heart of the matter by taking aim at two practices that really drive corruption in Washington.

(Next paragraph explains the two practices.)

I'd like to believe that all this flailing and gnashing of teeth will mean something, but I'm not optimistic. In the end, I think, you'll see fewer members of Congress playing golf in Scotland, and maybe one or two will even arrange to be photographed standing in line at McDonald's. Other than that, business as usual.

Posted by: Loomis | January 20, 2006 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Sara, hereabouts the Girl Sprouts set up outside all the large chain grocery stores for about a month when the cookies come in, so you don't have to order ahead. I like to encourage the children to approach strangers (kidding, kidding, just kidding), so I always buy a box each time I shop and freeze them for summer gluttony.

As the father of a former GS, I can only imagine what JA has and\or is going through on the cookie selling front with three daughters. One year our house was the GS troop cookie warehouse. We surrendered one room to nothing but cases of cookie boxes. That room smelled of cookies for weeks afterward.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 20, 2006 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Now I'm seriously bummed. I check ingredient panels for trans fat, but I have never looked at the Thin Mints.


On a more positive note, tomorrow is Squirrel Appreciation Day.

Posted by: mary ann | January 20, 2006 10:56 AM | Report abuse

For Sara, click here:

http://www.girlscouts.org/councilfinder/results.asp?STATE=MN

I mean there ^

Posted by: omnigood | January 20, 2006 10:58 AM | Report abuse

K'guy, I've always been an introvert and remember how hard it was to knock on doors to sell cookies. Maybe that's why I didn't make it beyond Brownies.

Of course, I ordered cookies last week and still have some in the freezer from last year...guess I ought to get them out and let the hubbie feast on them.

Posted by: slyness | January 20, 2006 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Let's keep in mind that a primary directive of any presidential administration is to *execute* the laws of our country. It appears the executions are an ongoing effort.

Thin Mints rule.

'Mudge, I agree with you on talking with WWII vets. They're a fascinating bunch who, by and large, as kids, suddenly found themselves in the midst of a Big Thing.

Posted by: Bayou Self | January 20, 2006 11:02 AM | Report abuse

LP writes:
"Seriously, is there anyone who isn't in love with girl scout cookies? It's hard-wired, genetics and stuff."

I am the ogre on this, and in my youth, I sold the stuff (c**p). But I've seen the heartbreak of obesity numerous times over as a former Weight Watchers meeting room leader, and having formerly written as a staff member for a small community hospital in California know the heartbreak of diabetes as well.

A moment on the lips, forever on the hips. The first and last bites are the best. If you can see the Golden Arches, you're well on your way to the Pearly Gates. If the nation just ate right, we could put a billion-dollar business out of business--the laxative industry.
--some of the slogans from Weight Watchers.

Mudge, while you were aboard ship, the NYT ran an excellent *series of articles* on the diabetes epidemic currently underway in The "Big" Apple. In a startling way, the pictures told the story.

*O.K., resume humorous discourse.*

Posted by: Loomis | January 20, 2006 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Thank you for wasting that blog space wih a ridiculously stupid post.

Posted by: Bryan | January 20, 2006 11:09 AM | Report abuse

For anyone interested in WWII, war in general, or good documentary films, I cannot recommend too highly A Fighter Pilot's Story. It has been shown on PBS and is now on DVD. Here's a taste-

http://pages.prodigy.com/fighterpilot/

Sometimes we forget that WWII wasn't fought and won by middle aged John Wayne, Clark Gable, and Robert Taylor types. It was fought by young kids.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 20, 2006 11:14 AM | Report abuse

To slyness and BS' point:

Sure, WE can survive three more years, but not everybody will.

k-guy, oh, I've had that room full of hundreds of GS cookie boxes. Heaven and hell, right there in my mudroom.

bc

Posted by: bc | January 20, 2006 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra S:

There is a line in the musical Fiddler on the Roof:

"Rabbi, is there a proper blessing for the Czar?"

"A blessing for the Czar, of course... May God bless and keep the Czar... far away from us."

Posted by: TBG | January 20, 2006 11:18 AM | Report abuse

A reprint from an earlier boodle:

October 2008

In a climate of fear following a number of, as yet unexplained, incidents and elevated terror warnings, the republican majorities in the house and senate were greatly expanded in the 2006 midterm elections.
The original frontrunners for the 2008 presidential campaign, John McCain and Hillary Clinton, have not been seen since early in the year as they were on a joint effort to investigate CIA prisons in Eastern Europe. The current candidates, John Kerry and Robert Erlich (having been unseated by Doug Duncan) are trailing mightily in the polls against a surprising third party candidate, Joel Achenbach. Mr. Achenbach's 'Boodle' party has amassed a huge grass-roots army following celebrity endorsements of Nicole Kidman, Mary Louise Parker, and David Duchovney.

As the election draws near President Bush and Vice President Rice enact the military clause for civilian emergencies that the senate has just passed. The entire country is quarantined against avian flu despite the CDC's claims that no flu exists. The elections are cancelled due to the quarantine.

Candidate 'A' sues based on presidential term limits, claiming that the current administration cannot be in power after January 20. The case reaches the Supreme Court. Justice Gonzales (having been easily confirmed by the republican Senate following the sudden retirement of Justice Souter just after a private meeting with former VP Cheney) leads the charge to extend the current presidency indefinitely (as term limits deviates from the exact wording of the Constitution).

Hilarity ensues.

Posted by: Henry Cabot Lodge | January 20, 2006 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I can and will eat an entire box of Samoas at one time. I do not recommend this practice.

Posted by: jw | January 20, 2006 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Girl Scout cookies are appropriate in their place, but they do not make an appearance in "Babette's Feast" (1987).

Well, the sabbatical is over so it is time time to bid farewell to the Achenblog. All the best to the blogthren. Buy Joel's George Washington book. And thanks to Joel for maintaining standards. Civility ensues.

Parting words: Love your enemies.

Posted by: Historian | January 20, 2006 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Tag-a-longs and Do-Si-Sos are my favorites (both peanut butter).
However, I have found a strange occurence with Trefoils (shortbread). They come two two 'sleeves' in each box. You open one of these and the cookies instantly vaporize, just completely disappear.
Very strange!

Posted by: esskay | January 20, 2006 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I heard about the NYT pieces but haven't read them, LindaLoo. Unfortunately, only some of my diabetes is weight/diet-related. I've got the genetic side, as well (my father had it, too), and I've been "waiting" for its arrival for nearly 20 years now. If anything, its arrival was actually a little overdue.

Curiously, I'm on a relatively new diabetes med (approved last June), called "Byetta," which was derived from the saliva of Gila monsters (true!). (The actual med is now synthesized, but we users call ourselves "lizard lovers," and we call the stuff "lizard spit." One of the side effects is weight loss!!! There's a pretty good blog on Byetta at http://diabetes.blog.com/383661/

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 20, 2006 11:31 AM | Report abuse

The wee hours of January 20, 1993: my daughter is conceived after four years of infertility.I am celebrating our new Democrat president as cells are multiplying. Woo hoo.

Don't care who is ever inaugrated from now on. No January 20 will EVER be as important a date to me.

Posted by: T.M.I. | January 20, 2006 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Historian: But, but, we hardly got to know ye! Good luck, and keep in touch.

LP: Whether a love for Girl Scout Cookies is genetic is irrelevant. It is our patriotic duty to purchase them. It is merely our destiny to eat them.

Posted by: CowTown | January 20, 2006 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I think I've eaten an entire box of Thin Mints in less than half of the first Quarter of an NFL game.

It IS scary.

bc

Posted by: bc | January 20, 2006 11:46 AM | Report abuse

..what dumb comments. Who gives a fig about GS cookies? Blog hogs should back off and not believe that each of their maundering musings is somehow VITAL, and pressing? TGIF

Posted by: thereIsaidit | January 20, 2006 11:57 AM | Report abuse

thereIsaidit... I don't think the Girl Scouts sell any fig cookies.

Posted by: TBG | January 20, 2006 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I agree Thin Mints are the best, they must be hidden in the freezer...wrap in tin foil and write liver in large letters so no one will touch 'em.

Posted by: newkidontheblog | January 20, 2006 12:04 PM | Report abuse

It's called casual conversation, thereIsaidit. It's what polite, well-mannered, friendly people do with each other. None believe their idle chat to be (all caps) VITAL or pressing; you appear to be the only one taking it seriously. I'd advise either a chill pill, or perhaps a handful of Tagalogs and a glass of milk.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 20, 2006 12:05 PM | Report abuse

In one of Einstein's lesser known works, he points out that time spent in heavy traffic not only slows, but gets more annoying. The same is true for business meetings and the State of the Union address. The inverse is also true. Time in the presence of highly-processed baked goods is known to speed up. Therefore, we can conclude from Science that I do not, in fact, as suggested by some individuals, "inhale Somoas instantly." It just seems that way. I am just a victim of the cruel laws of physics.

We may safely infer from this that if one wishes to make the next 3 years go by more quickly - one must eat more cookies. I consider it a moral imperative.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 20, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

jw: "I can and will eat an entire box of Samoas at one time. I do not recommend this practice."

omnigoof: I can just picture you stuffing an entire box in your mouth, no wait, no I can't, your mouth isn't big enough.

Posted by: omnigoof | January 20, 2006 12:18 PM | Report abuse

if it weren't for thin mints I could honestly say I don't like cookies at all.

Posted by: omnigood | January 20, 2006 12:19 PM | Report abuse

*Trying desparately to push the Boodle back on track*

Say, do you think our President likes Thin Mints, or perhaps prefers Do-Si-Doe's?

Discuss.

Posted by: CowTown | January 20, 2006 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Don't I recall that Dubya's into fitness? He probably will only sniff the lemon cookies, the ones that are low-fat.

Posted by: slyness | January 20, 2006 12:28 PM | Report abuse

if it weren't for blogs, i could honestly say that i earn my paycheck

Posted by: ilikecheese | January 20, 2006 12:42 PM | Report abuse

CT, I tend to think of the boodle as a switchyard, not a single track... SO many junctions and splits and crossovers and so on.

And somehow I could envision Laura Bush actually selling GSA cookies at a stand in the East Wing.

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 20, 2006 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Given that the original kit is ironic, and also given that I'm ready for W (and especially Cheney) to be gone yesterday, shouldn't we start trying to figure out how the Dems are going to pull their collective heads out of the dark place and actually win an election.

I'm all for Joe Lieberman, but the chance of him getting traction is statistically the same as zero. Hillary seemed to be doing all the right things until her unexpected (and unexplained) veer into "plantation politics." Obama's already too far "left" to win a general election. Dean's done. Kerry's done. My point being, even if the pop-up timer goes off, there's no guarantee whatsoever that Democrats (or even a sane, reasonable Republican) has a chance.

Second, as far as getting all "wrapped around the axle" about trans fats in girl scout cookies, relax. Trans fats are the [cholesterol, butter, fats, carbs, sodium, refined sugar] of 2005/6. There is absolutely nothing to say that the studies showing trans fats as public enemy #1 are not going to be reversed down the line when some new compound, as yet unheard-of in the public lexicon, is the new chief culprit in the obesity epidemic. Eating huge amounts of cookies is inherently unhealthy--trans fat-laden or otherwise. Eating a reasonable amount of cookies is a dietary non-event. It all comes down to exercise.

Posted by: AW | January 20, 2006 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Bring It On

http://www.diabetes123.com/art/


by Mark Koekemoer, Type 1 diabetic for 8 1/2 years, from South Africa

A long time ago, but not too long to recall,
My eyes and balance were blurry, and I became more likely to fall.
My skin became dry, and I lost some pounds of weight,
Frequenting the loo as I started to dehydrate.

Then a prick from a doctor explained all of that,
My glucose was twenty and I'd have to adapt.
He said "Most diabetics live long so there's no need worry,
It's just a change in your lifestyle that will fix this story".

"Just a change" I expected a pill or simple remedy,
But never could I guess the extent of this therapy!
A diet, good exercise and injections galore,
Finger pricks and urine sticks, could there be any more?

I struggled at first, unsure of how to cope,
And completed the entire circle of denial, without hope.
Injections were my enemy, and finger pricks the devil.
But diabetes conquered the rebel, when it slammed me onto ground level.

I was a little naughty, actually "naughty" is quite tame,
But it left me feeling pretty bad and in a lot of pain,
When two drips finally re-hydrated me I had to make a move,
I headed for the hospital and was put in I.C.U.

"Near-death" was not the case, but a coma was quite real,
But I managed to pull through it, and far better I would feel.
I woke up then and there, splashed cold water in my face,
And told myself I'll never again let some ketones start that race.

Now it's been a couple of years since that day in 2001,
And diabetes is my roller coaster, but with a different kind of fun.
I lead a healthy lifestyle, and play a lot of sport,
A blood glucose of 5.6 is what is always sought.

I'm always watching what I eat, and counting out the carbs,
Then taking shots to keep my levels, on the "good score" cards.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but in the end what's true,
Is that every single situation, gives me a different clue.

Because blood glucose is affected, by just so many themes,
Sport and food and shots and tests are all the easiest it seems,
But then there's sickness and weather and stress,
Who knows just how much these factors will mess!

And every day is new, every day brings on its test,
A test we must confront, and conquer, and strive to do our best.
A test we must take notes in, and learn from every time,
So next time we'll try ace it so that later we'll feel fine.

Remember diabetes doesn't give up, it's with us all the time,
We cannot take a break from it, even if we're feeling fine.
But its taught me lots of little things, things that are unique,
Things that make me stronger as I grow through each and every week.

I know what food is good for me, and how much thereof to eat,
I've gained a wealth of self-discipline and self-control - that's neat.
I manage my own blood glucose - and that I must confess,
Is something so incredible - a biological miracle at best.

Finger tests are second nature, injections - bring them on,
I love my sport and I'm in good shape, better than most on the lawn.
I love to eat, and eat I do, and carb counting makes it easy,
A chocolate or an ice cream now will never again just tease me!

See it was change in lifestyle, but a change in mindset too,
Acceptance is the key here - a secret from me to you.
We cannot rest, we cannot fake it, it's never gonna go,
Diabetes is here to stay the long run, a truth that's useful to know.

So now I learn as much as possible, and listen and surf and read,
I've grabbed this chance to make an effort, a healthy life I'll lead.
Decide you either love it or hate it, but what ever choice you do,'
Remember that this choice you make will only be affecting you.

Diabetes is a mission, it needs a lot of training,
Each day and every moment makes this condition mega-straining,
But once you get the hang of it, and know some simple rules,
Diabetes is a challenge, teaching us health and life and values!

Posted by: Loomis | January 20, 2006 1:18 PM | Report abuse

to touch upon Sara's "no GS Cookies in college dorms" problem:

Anybody ever see the "Friends" episode where Ross goes around selling "Bluebird" cookies (or some such non-copyright-infringing name)in the college dorms? I totally flashed on him in the hallway, pulling a little red wagon full of cookie boxes, and this kid opening a door into the hall and going "Heeeeyyyyy, the cookie guy's here!" as massiva amounts of "smoke" billow out behind him.

It's a GREAT idea, if you think about it.

Thanks for the "Fiddler" reference. I will now proceed to sing "Matchmaker, Matchmaker" in my head for the rest of the afternoon.

I SERIOUSLY doubt the G("W is for Wiretapping")B eats GS cookies. They might ruin his girlish figure. (Oh, but for the love of that pretzel, we might not be here today.)

Posted by: Anne Olivia | January 20, 2006 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I think we all know that Cheney eats, but does Dubya eat? If so, what do you think Cheney allows him to eat?

Posted by: Joe D. | January 20, 2006 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Back in our day, Mr. Nani and I were dancin' fools. We really got our groove on with Wilson Pickett's Nine-Nine and One-Half(just won't do it!) and In the Midnight Hour. Our kidlets loved when we cut the fool, dancing in the middle of the living room, close and tight, a low low dip at the end of the song, my long hair sweeping the hardwood floor, followed by a "movie star" kiss. They'd sit on the couch, laughing and clapping and beg us not to stop.

Wilson Pickett, a rock and roll hall of famer, died yesterday of a heart attack. Ta ta Wilson! You were the best!

Posted by: Nani | January 20, 2006 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I think what this kit needs is good, learned discussion of the merits of the various species of the cookie kingdom.

A few months ago (probably during Christmas cookie-baking season) I ran across a statement that claimed that the chocolate chip cookie was the all-time favorite cookie, whatever that means, and for whatever (little) that claim is worth.

I immediately questioned it, in part because, while I like chocolate chip cookies well enough, I am not that crazy about them, and can even turn them down without difficulty. It also occurred to me that somewhere there was a chocolate chip cookie public relations team hard at work, busily promoting the predominance of said cookie at the expense of the rest of the firmament. For one thing, I suspect that there is no great need to decide which cookie is the "favorite," or the "best," or whatever superlative. Rather, like many other things, various species of cookies have their "most appropriate" settings and roles; there really is no such thing as "best" in this regard.

Consider: what is autumn without the ginger snap, accompanied by a glass of cold apple cider? (I happen to be one who prefers my ginger snap to be, well, snapless. When I was a kid, my mother deliberately opened our family box of ginger snaps--in the orange box, of course; there is no other approved container for the noble ginger snap--and allowed them to "age" for a few days. This produced a softer, chewier ginger snap, which in our family was judged to be the "best" form of ginger snap. I realize other family traditions may differ.

Next, let us consider the after-school cookie. For long periods of my youth this was the noble Oreo, as it probably was for millions of others. This was in the days when there was only one kind of Oreo, not of this double-stuffed Oreo business, nor holiday food-colored centers, nor the mint variety or some of the new iterations. No, there was only the Oreo, and its pale competitor, the Hydrox cookie. And yes, there were and are many Brand X Oreo wannabes, but these invariably produce (then and now) only contempt and disdain. Like GSA Thin Mint cookies, Oreos have a very high capacity to induce addiction, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that Thomas D'Quincy might have written about them at one time or another. Be that as it may, for me, the Oreo seemed to have a built-in stopping point. Whereas I could run through two entire columns of Thin Mints without blinking, I found that I could get only about two-thirds of the way down a column of Oreos before some internal sugar mechanism seemed to kick in, and suddenly I had had enough.

There is, of course, an entire universe of rituals associated with the noble Oreo, much akin to the rituals of the Japanese Tea Ceremony. Pre-eminent is the drinking of the milk aspect. How cold should the milk be? (A: Very.) Should one dip? or bite and sip? Swallow the milk immediately, or allow the milk and cookie to decompose and marinate inside the mouth. Sip tiny amounts of milk, in order to just dampen the Oreo, or take in a substantial gulf, in order to thoroughly wet the Oreo and hasten its decomposition.

I would be remiss, of course, to neglect the details of the Oreo Construction Ritual. Grasp the Oreo and bite it, more or less as it comes out of the bag? Or grasp the Oreo in the lesser-dominant hand gently, and with the dominant hand twist the top cover (righthanders twisting clockwise, as a rule, with southpaws twisting widdershins) slowly but firmly, in order to remove said top cover, preferably so the top cover brings with it as little icing as possible. Remove a second Oreo from the bag; repeat. Finally, the coup d'gras: place the two lower halves with icing together, and consume. Alternately, consume the single lower half just by itself, and ponder what to do with the now-naked and potentially useless/disposable top cover.

I'm sure variations abound, and somewhere culinary anthropologists are writing learned monographs on the subject. But let us move on.

The dish of ice cream has always presented a rich opportunity for creative cookie selection, as well as myriad opportunities for improper selection and the resulting disappointment, heartbreak, and damage to self-esteem. And invariably there are both inherent self-selection dilemmas as well as self-limiting quantification issues swirling about the dish-of-ice-cream conundrum. One can only supply a maximum of perhaps three or four cookies to a dish of ice cream, which completely precludes ripping through an entire bag of, say, Vienna fingers.

For myself, I find that chocolate chip cookies do not lend themselves well to most ice cream varietals, primarily due to the crumbly nature of CC cookies, as well as the frequent incompatibility of taste (though your mileage may vary). In particular, I find they don't match well with an cream-based ice cream, though they do go surprisingly well with orange sherbets and sorbets. (You younger boodlers may be shocked to learn that we older codgers lived through the dark, dark days before there was any such thing as a "sorbet," much less an ice cream-type yogurt. There was only "ice cream," its contemptible clone "ice milk," and sherbet, which only came in four flavors: orange, a white-colored "lemon-lime," a green lime, and raspberry. And, yes, we had to walk six miles to school through raging blizzards, mostly uphill, and we were damn grateful for the opportunity, too. But I digress.)

Allow me to turn to contemplation of the now-hard-to-find vanilla "Sunshine" wafer, with its rich buttery taste and its edges ever so delicately browned. There was once a period--perhaps in recoil to several hard years of Oreo substance abuse--when I was addicted to these cookies, in thrall to their simplicity and purity. They went well with milk, and even better with ice cream.

I would like to conclude this brief survey with a paean to one of my favorites, the obscure but highly addictive "Mexican wedding cookie" (which I am told travels by other names in some part of the world). This is basically a rolled piece of bland dough flavored with a bit of almond extract (and in some versions, actual almond slivers), which is encrusted with powdered sugar. For me this cookie is what free-basing must have been to Richard Pryor. When I ate them, I must have looked like Al Pachino in "Scarface," sitting there with my eyes glazed and my lower face covered in white powder, and sugar-buzzed out of my gourd. Say hello to my leetle frien'.

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And then there is the "missing year," some time around fifth grade, when the after-school snack was a moon pie and a tall glass of Hawaiian Punch.

*sigh*

Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2006 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Cowtown writes:
Say, do you think our President likes Thin Mints, or perhaps prefers Do-Si-Doe's?
Discuss.

Hey, we can do this:

Samoa: How many more years will we be in Iraq?
(Vanilla cookies covered with caramel on top and bottom, and then rolled in toasted coconut, and striped with a rich, chocolaty coating.)

Lemon Coolers: Gifts from Jack Abramoff and the new reduced-fat ethics rules.
(Bite-sized bursts of cool lemon flavor in crisp, vanilla reduced-fat cookies. Zesty lemon chips and a covering of powdered sugar make these "lemon wedge" cookies too cool to resist.)

Trefoil: What the current U.S. Treasury is short on--short on dough, or how Congress decides to spend our tax dolalrs.
(Short, tender, delicate tasting shortbread that melts [in your hand not] in your mouth.)

Tagalong: Bush's favorite exercise with Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld.
(Cookies topped with creamy peanut butter and covered with a luscious chocolaty coating.)

DoSiDo: Bush's favorite activity at the Western White House in Crawford, Texas.
(Crisp and crunchy oatmeal cookies with creamy peanut butter filling. No artificial color or flavor.)

Cafe Cookie: Dare I go here? Condi Rice.
(Caramelized with brown sugar, this charmingly crisp cookie will delight even cookie connoisseurs. With a hint of cinnamon spice, it's perfect with your favorite warm beverage.)

Thin Mint: The information content of Bush's speeches.
(A thin wafer covered with a smooth chocolaty coating. Extra thin, extra crisp! Made with natural peppermint.)

All Abouts: Mission Accomplished!
(These beautifully-designed shortbread cookies have a series of Girl Scout messages embossed on top and a rich fudge coating on the bottom! One bite and you'll be reminded of the Values, Friendship, Leadership, Sharing, Caring, and Fun Girl Scouting is all about!)

Posted by: Loomis | January 20, 2006 1:42 PM | Report abuse

AW -- Senators are NOT the way to go (See Bob Dole and John Kerry as most recent failures) in todays day and age. For that reason Lieberman, Obama, and, especially, Hilary, will never get elected. What we need is a good, centrist Democratic Governor with a strong record. Mark Warner, most recent occupant of the Virginia Governor's mansion springs to mind. Any other alternatives from the gallery? Richardson?

I do my fartlek workouts (running term) so that I can eat whole boxes of Samoas at one sitting. When the GS cookies hit the house and the freezer, the B&J ice cream must go. . . can't have both at the same time or end up looking like Governor's Mansion.

Posted by: fartlek | January 20, 2006 1:43 PM | Report abuse

An open box of Samoas is an empty box.

Not bragging, just an observation.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 20, 2006 1:44 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I ordered 13 boxes of Samoas because there was someone above me on the order sheet had ordered 12. I topped it off with 4 boxes of Thin Mints. Not bragging, just a fact.

There are actually two (at least) companies that make Girl Scout cookies. Little Brownie Bakers, I believe, is the oldest. They have trademarked some of the cookie names, such as Samoas. The other company cannot use the name "Samoas," so in some areas of the country you will find "Caramel Delites." They look the same as the Samoas, but a closer inspections reveals the chocolate is not as dark in appearance. The Delites cannot hold a candle to the real Samoas in terms of taste. I don't know why, they just don't. Thankfully, I live in an area of the country with Samoas and not Caramel Delites.

Posted by: fartlek | January 20, 2006 1:56 PM | Report abuse

TBG, if the emperor isn't near us, that is definitely a form of peace.


Nani, I've danced a many nights listening to Wilson Pickett, and the Midnight Hour. I think it's wonderful that you and your husband still dance and frolick, is that a word? And that your children see that.

As for diabetes, it is the disease that is killing African-Americans, and causing so much grief and sadness. As a volunteer of my community organization I've tried to get information to people in my community, so many don't understand the disease. I've sought help from major health grantors, but been denied by most. Diabetes is a nightmare in my community.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 20, 2006 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Here is a cultural discrepancy none of you will be aware of. It could be one of the most depressing differences between our nations.

GGC (Girl Guides of Canada) only sells 3 kinds of cookies. The mint in the late fall, and the vanilla and chocolate cookies in late February.

Oh the humanity.

Posted by: dr | January 20, 2006 2:03 PM | Report abuse

It is now time for me to heed Joel's new law which bans "posting under a profusion of different names".

Knowing my smart-alec (see also profanity statute) self as well as I do, I realize that I probably can not abide by the current restrictions. I therefore officially banish myself to either permanent lurker status or completely off the Achen-island.

Please disregard any past comments posted by:
Capt. Daniel Gregg, Henry Cabot Lodge, Colonel Tom Parker, J. Carter, James T. Kirk, James Naismith, G(rover) Cleveland, George Eastman, Francisco Franco, Fielding Mellish, M(illard) Fillmore, Louis LeBeau, Alpha, Omega, Peter Pan, P.H. Hanes, Jeff Spicoli, (Hurricane) Zeta, Mick (Jagger), Ripley, Ayn Rand, Jean Paul (Satre), J.S. (Jan Stenerud), E.B. Williams, Jack Kent Cooke, Mongo, Riggo, B. Fife, Jackie Chiles, John Bohnam, Bonzo, John Henry Bohnam, Nicholas I, Alexander III, Tiberius Claudius I, Phil Lesh, George Lazenby, Zelda Sayre, Smokey, Cindy Loo Who, Kit Carson, Sammy Baugh, Charles Martel, OPUS, Charlemagne, Fezzik, Prince Humperdink, Inigo Montoya, Miracle Max, W. Goldman, S.A. Dale Cooper, Cpl. Randolph Agarn, Wayne Newton, Leonard Nimoy, punny wabbit, Phil Conners, Bobby Plant, Sarafan, mofan, CowTown fan, Ellen Aim, Billy Fish, R. Cheney, C. Rove, Jimmy Page, James Bond, Chucky Heston and finally........esskay.

I apologize if I have offended anyone (living or dead). It was fun trading cow-jokes with you, omnidude. I hope everyone chuckles at your schizophrenia as often as I do.
It is too bad acehnfan was not here to see my confession!
So long mo, Sara, and all the rest...

Posted by: Capt. Daniel Gregg | January 20, 2006 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Ode to a cookie was inspired.

The very first non-mom made cookie I ever tasted was a Guide cookie, likely the chocolate.

Growing up on a farm meant you bought as little as possible from the grocers, and in the average cookie the sugar, salt and levening agent and then any fancy fixings were bought. The rest came from the farm. Eggs from the coop, flour from the mill for bushels of wheat, butter if the cows were not dry, and yup, pork lard when they were. The last item might sound disgusting to we folk who get our food from a store, but I think it may have been the secret ingedient. I have her recipes, but they don't turn out the same. Come to think of it, maybe the secret ingredient was mom.

Posted by: dr | January 20, 2006 2:22 PM | Report abuse

*saluting Capt. Gregg*

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 20, 2006 2:30 PM | Report abuse

*Come to think of it, maybe the secret ingredient was mom.*

dr, nice to have you back from vacation. Oh, the memories of my mother's cookies. A Girl Scout cookie couldn't even begin to come close.

Thanks, too, for the info about the Girl Guides of Canada. Didn't know of the group, nor their limited cookie sales. Since I've never been to Canada, forgive my naivete, but do Canadians have the obesity problem Americans do--since this readily seems to be the topic du jour? How is the Canadian diet in terms of nutritionally dense or nutritionally empty calories?

Also, if I see the film "The Shipping News" again at some point in the future, I'll be very much on the lookout for Gordon Pinsent. Thanks for your mention of the state of Canadian cinema.

How was the beach in Mexico?

Posted by: Loomis | January 20, 2006 2:38 PM | Report abuse

On the day after Clinton's first inauguration I took a walk around the capitol. Because it was bitterly cold sane people were inside. I was alone. I briefly stood at the still-assembled podium and savored the view. For just a moment it felt as if I were channeling past presidents. It was one of those weird unexpected moments that I recall with stark clarity. Have 15 years really gone by? Regardless of who has been in office, it doesn't seem that way to me.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 20, 2006 2:40 PM | Report abuse

And before one of you nit pickers points it out, I know it has really only been 13 years. I was rounding up. I'm with the government. We do that kind of thing....

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 20, 2006 2:45 PM | Report abuse

esskay! Yoh! Don't run away like that!

Linda: Very good political cookie discussion. Thank you.

Annonymous: The Cookie Paen was priceless. What's your handle? Show us you've got pride in your work.

Posted by: CowTown | January 20, 2006 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Those years with Clinton were so good they seemed to fly by, 8 years felt like 3 (my two favorite numbers). These years with Shrub have so far dragged on and on and on and on...the 5 feel 12. So your math checks out with me RD.

A rare moment of on topic for me.

Posted by: omnigoof | January 20, 2006 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Cookie nostalgia: when I was a kid we lived for a time in central Oklahoma and when we went south to visit the kinfolks in Texas we would always stop at the Little Brownie Cookie Factory in Ardmore. You could watch the cookies being made and they sold bags of broken cookies for less than $.50.

ESPECIALLY FOR MO- I just got back from a farewell lunch for a coworker (at Zaytinya. My pores are oozing olive oil!). She has gotten a job as a junior keeper at the zoo in the panda house! Bright lights! Glamor! Shoveling panda crap! She's ecstatic. We're all glad for her. She worked at the zoo on a volunteer basis for years. Now I must sleep off the falafel, the lamb, the squid, the kibbeh, the pita and hummus...

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 20, 2006 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I think The Cookie Paen is going on my fridge. It is a work of beauty. And joy. Whoever wrote it, please 'fess up.

I'm stopping by the Safeway tonight to pick up some Oreos.

Posted by: TBG | January 20, 2006 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I love music, sex, and cookies.
Cookies, music, and... sex.
It doesn't matter what order you try 'em,
'cause I like them all the best.
And I've tried:
LSD,
and therapy,
I've been lost, but now I'm found.
'Cause it's music, sex, and cookies,
that makes my world go 'round.

(author unknown to me)

Posted by: Tim | January 20, 2006 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, you must be a Southerner...who else would know Moon Pies, and who else would pair them with Hawaiian Punch?

Now that's a sugar high!

Loved the Cookie Paen.

Posted by: slyness | January 20, 2006 3:12 PM | Report abuse

And to think Reader started all this with her 10:03:44 AM post about Girl Scout Cookies.

Posted by: CowTown | January 20, 2006 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Loomis, it was lovely. I've been wondering if Mexican beaches were exportable to Canada. In my dreams, they came home with me.

Sadly we do have the same problem with obesity. It seems the more advanced we become, the worse our food choices are. I consider it part of the great North American dissconnect. We've removed ourselves mentally from our environment, we've removed ourselves from our food sources. Too many people still think wholesome comes from a can or a freezer, or a pre-portioned serving calling itself lite.

I don't think any nation can escape it easily, and I don't think there are simple solutions, because the fault lies in ourselves. We look for easy and have a taste for rich fatty foods that I think goes back to primordial man.

Cassandra brought up an interesting point about diabetes and how it is hitting a lot of her community. I seem to remember a native population in Arizona that is being studied for genetic predispositions to the disease. It's a problem here that is certainly exacerbated by food choices, and obesity.

Posted by: dr | January 20, 2006 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Whenever I travel south of Richmond, Moon Pies are a MUST. I prefer 'em with milk, though as a kid Hawiian Punch Fruit Juicy Red would have made an acceptable accompaniment (sp?).

I had 5 minutes to blog today.

http://www.10thcircle.com/10/?cat=4

My Solo Dad week, real work, and writing for pay has left little time for silliness.

bc

Posted by: bc | January 20, 2006 3:24 PM | Report abuse

My apologies to one and all. I am the author of the long piece on types of cookies. Forgot to post my handle (senility--told you I was an old codger). And yes, though I paired Moon Pies with Hawaiian punch as a callow youth, this fateful pairing occured in the suburbs north of Philadelphia, Pa. I believe that had I been a true Southerner, it would have been a Moon Pie and RC Cola, no?

Alas, I have been basically cookie-free for some years now, perhaps pushing a decade.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 20, 2006 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I had a boss once who had a Moon Pie and orange soda with every lunch. I know... I had to go get it for him.

Posted by: TBG | January 20, 2006 3:32 PM | Report abuse

A Fine Southern alternative to RC Cola with that Moon Pie would be a Coca-Cola (pronouced "CoCola").

bc

Posted by: bc | January 20, 2006 3:40 PM | Report abuse

You know, I just KNEW the Cookie Paen was from Curmudgeon.

Posted by: CowTown | January 20, 2006 3:41 PM | Report abuse

CT, I had my suspicions it was 'Mudge, but I didn't want to be on the wrong track in the switchyard with no switch in sight.

And nothing beats a fresh, soft oatmeal raisin cookie.

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 20, 2006 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Did we ever get any sort of full report out of Curmudgeon on the cruise? We demand info!

Posted by: Bayou Self | January 20, 2006 3:45 PM | Report abuse

And photos!

Posted by: CowTown | January 20, 2006 3:47 PM | Report abuse

For example, 'Mudge, what sort of cookies did they have?

Posted by: Bayou Self | January 20, 2006 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps 'Mudge had a cookie in his hand while he was wearing a 'bund and flippers...

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 20, 2006 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Hi Cassandra, diabetes runs in my family. Mother had to give herself daily insulin injections and we always kept orange juice in the ice-box and a Hershey bar in her pocketbook in case she felt herself going "into shock". She didn't talk about it much. Back then I don't think there was much known about the disease. Keep up your good work! I liked the encouraging and cheerful poem Linda Loomis posted earlier about diabetes.

Yeah, Cassandra, I miss those old 50s-60s musicians. You can get the old recording on CDs now. The g-girls love Fats Domino, Jackie Wilson, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Elvis (before he went so commercial), Peaches and Herb.

Posted by: Nani | January 20, 2006 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon, wasn't there something about a peice of clothing too, or was it lack thereof? TMI TMI

Full details required.

Posted by: dr | January 20, 2006 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I knew when I was in the New South some years back when I saw a display of moon pies beside the Snapple.

Re: Older music, not long ago I followed a link talking about Sam Cooke and the Soul Stirrers. "Soul Man" is fine & well, but why had I never heard "Jesus Gave Me Water" before? Still moves me every time I hear it.

Posted by: Les | January 20, 2006 4:10 PM | Report abuse

dr writes:
"I seem to remember a native population in Arizona that is being studied for genetic predispositions to the disease."

dr, this is an easy one, thanks to the dietetics classes I took at Cal State Sacto in the early 90s.

It's the Pimas of Arizona:

NIDDK research conducted on the Pima Indians for the past 30 years has helped scientists prove that obesity is a major risk factor in the development of diabetes. One-half of adult Pima Indians have diabetes and 95% of those with diabetes are overweight.

These studies, carried out with the help of the Pima Indians, have shown that before gaining weight, overweight people have a slower metabolic rate compared to people of the same weight. This slower metabolic rate, combined with a high fat diet and a genetic tendency to retain fat may cause the epidemic overweight seen in the Pima Indians, scientists believe.

http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/pima/obesity/obesity.htm

I guess I'm lucky. From several old photo albums, I've culled pictures of my parents in California in the '30s and '40s before we kids were born. In group photos, my parents stand out. They were the most attractive ones, not only comely in the face aas well as the figure, but also extremely physically fit. A look at the backdrops of these photos explains why: hiking to the top of Half Dome, in swimsuits on the beach in Southern California, at water's edge at Huntington Lake or Lake Tahoe, on the tennis court.

I got very lucky, too, in writing features at Lake Tahoe. Covert Bailey, author of "Fit or Fat," had recently moved to the Tahe Keys. After interviewing him, I went through the hydrostatic weighing that is part of his program--in Speedo, dunked completely under water, expelling all my breath, to determine what percentage of me was fit and what percentage of me was fat. Attended his local lecture, too. I was scooped on the Covert story, so wrote a better one. Covert liked my copy so well it sent it on to the BBC in advance of his trip to England, or so he told me.

Also an interview with the only millionaire I've sat down with as a journalist--Judi Sheppard Misset, CEO and founder of Jazzercise.

Posted by: Loomis | January 20, 2006 4:17 PM | Report abuse

dr and Cassandra, the anti-rejection medications taken by kidney transplant patients also causes diabetes.

Posted by: Nani | January 20, 2006 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Cap'n Gregg, are you saying that Jimmy Page didn't really post to this blog? That that was just YOU???? I dunno...I think it was the real guy. Bonham I have questions about, because of the, you know, death issue. Him being dead.
Anyway, you don't have to throw yourself to the sharks over this. Our pet Loper posts under multiple names and we only delete his comments when he gets really snarly. I don't remember exactly what I wrote about multiple handles, but I think the gist was that I'd prefer if people didn't use a profusion of different handles. What's wrong with "esskay"? Why not just be yourself?

Posted by: Achenbach | January 20, 2006 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Four generations of diabetes in my family - that we know of - so I watch the simple carbs very closely, and exercise. Thank heavens for insulin and other new medications. My mother's grandfather lost a leg to gangrene because of diabetes and died a slow and painful death. I look forward to a time when we can cure it.

Posted by: Slyness | January 20, 2006 4:30 PM | Report abuse

(Ahem) I hate to play the stern schoolmarm. But since Achenfan isn't here today (or is simply among the Silent Millions), I'll mention a little rule of this blog:

Thou Shalt Not Mimic the Master, Nor Appropriate His Name

Thank you for your attention and continued cooperation.

Posted by: CowTown | January 20, 2006 4:35 PM | Report abuse

II. Thou shalt not stealeth the logo for the purpose of making T-shirts.

Posted by: Bayou Self | January 20, 2006 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Are you aware of HJ 24 IH sponsered by Sensenbrenner. He is trying to pass a resolution to repeal the 22 Amendment. Here is more information on it.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hj109-24

Posted by: Bonnie | January 20, 2006 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Cookies, my one great love before I too was diagnosed with Type II diabetes - about 3 years ago. My grandmother had it so it was in my genes. More information about cause and effect might have prevented the onset. I changed the way I eat/ate, exercise, and just look at cookies from afar. I am holding my own but realize it is a lifelong battle.

I wasn't aware there are so many different kinds of GS cookies with all the different names. Comes of living in the boondocks, but I am sure they are here, too. GS have come a long way in marketing. When I sold GS cookies as a kid 60 years ago there was just one or two kinds.

Loved story of the cookies, Mudge, and all the comments from others about them.

As for three more years of GWB. I just hope the country survives. Perhaps we should send the Cookie Monster to the WH.
I can't keep up with all the Kits - back to work.

bdl

Posted by: boondocklurker | January 20, 2006 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Slyness, that time is here for a cure. Well for some and it gives great hope for more and better treatments soon. There has been very good success with what the medicos are calling the Edmonton Protocol, . The success rate when last I haeard about a year ago was about 70%, but its still very new, and I don't know if there is any information out there about the logevity of the prodecure. But the stories were quite encouraging.

FYI http://www.diabetes.org.uk/islets/trans/edmonton.htm. As usual, my link is a non link, so type in the info or search yahoo, or google for it. And this one too. http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/article.cfm?id=6354

There is hope.

Posted by: dr | January 20, 2006 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Of course this is not an answer for type 2 diabetes, which is largely preventable, and by which we are hoist by our own petard.

By the way, what is a petard?

Posted by: dr | January 20, 2006 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I think a petard is like a rumtingler, except not as flaxive.

But I could be wrong.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 20, 2006 5:40 PM | Report abuse

He's the captain of the USS Enterprise, in Star Trek, Next Generation.

Posted by: CowTown | January 20, 2006 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Darn it, Cow. You beat me to it. But I'll add that back on the show, he used to be known for hoisting a few at the bar.

Posted by: Bayou Self | January 20, 2006 5:48 PM | Report abuse

dr, IIRC my Hornblower, it's a pendant flag used for communication at sea.

Posted by: Slyness | January 20, 2006 5:51 PM | Report abuse

And thanks for the update on diabetes treatments, dr. That's truly good news!

Posted by: Slyness | January 20, 2006 5:53 PM | Report abuse

My Silliness aside, the phrase "Hoisted by One's Own Petard" is described on Bartleby.com http://www.bartleby.com/59/4/hoistbyoneso.html as follows:

(pi-TAHRD) To be caught in one's own trap: "The swindler cheated himself out of most of his money, and his victims were satisfied to see him hoist by his own petard." A "petard" was an explosive device used in medieval warfare. To be hoisted, or lifted, by a petard literally means to be blown up.

Posted by: CowTown | January 20, 2006 5:57 PM | Report abuse

How do you get this job, Joel? I want to get paid for writing a few paragraphs of crap on the internet. This was not insightful in any way, shape, or form. Don't you have a private "Thoughts I Think Make Me Funny" journal you can be plugging this into? What a waste of space.

Posted by: Amazed | January 20, 2006 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh goody. The trolls have arrived. School must have let out.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 20, 2006 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey Amazed,

Don't you know that This Blog STINKS!

Hee hee hee

Posted by: TBG | January 20, 2006 6:14 PM | Report abuse

All right, everyone behave! *tapping ruler on open palm*

Posted by: CowTown | January 20, 2006 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Joel, don't be mad that the boodle would rather talk about cookies than about President Bush--especially don't be mad at me for bringing up the subject.

My thought about Bush's five years: it's amazing how much can be accomplished in such a short time; how much loss of life, destruction of property and natural habitat, damage to the national and international economy, degradation of the office of President. There. Now on to a more pleasant subject:

C Is For Cookie
as sung by Cookie Monster (duh!)
written by Joe Raposo

(spoken)
Now what starts with the letter C?
Cookie starts with C
Let's think of other things
That starts with C
Oh, who cares about the other things?

C is for cookie, that's good enough for me
C is for cookie, that's good enough for me
C is for cookie, that's good enough for me
Oh, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C

C is for cookie, that's good enough for me
C is for cookie, that's good enough for me
C is for cookie, that's good enough for me
Oh, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C

(spoken)
Hey you know what?
A round cookie with one bite out of it
Looks like a C
A round donut with one bite out of it
Also looks like a C
But it is not as good as a cookie
Oh and the moon sometimes looks like a C
But you can't eat that, so

C is for cookie, that's good enough for me, yeah!
C is for cookie, that's good enough for me
C is for cookie, that's good enough for me
Oh, cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C, yeah!
Cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C, oh boy!
Cookie, cookie, cookie starts with C!

(Cookie Monster eats the cookie)
Umm-umm-umm-umm-umm

My new motto for the week: "umm-umm-umm-umm-umm"

Posted by: Reader | January 20, 2006 6:22 PM | Report abuse

The blog "Outside the Beltway" (not to be confused with Gene's "Below the Beltway") has a rant about WaPo shutting down its blog because of "personal attacks, the use of profanity and hate speech." I ran here to make sure the Kit and Boodle were OK ... whew.

As you were.

Posted by: mizerock | January 20, 2006 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I'M FAT!
By Susan Sparks

I'm fat, I'm fat
We can't have that.
I want to be thin
Cuz thin is in.

If thin is in,
Then why do I stick out?
Cuz I eat too much
I have no doubt.

Because I am a glutton
I cannot button
My shirt--
Or my skirt.

Jack Sprat
Could eat no fat
And his wife could eat no lean.
What exactly does this mean?

Jack Sprat was thin
Cuz thin was in
And his wife was fat
Cuz fat was where it's at.

Snickers bars and Almond Joys
Potato chips and Chips Ahoys
Caramel popcorn and natural fructose
On comes the pounds and the celluose.


I am now comatose
Because of an overdose
Of food.
How rude.


I just got home from the restaurant
Where I ate almost anything I want.
I'm now so full I'm going to be sick.
To eat like that I must be a lunatic.

How I feel I can't describe
I'll call my doctor and ask him to prescribe
Something good for indigestion
And then I'll ask him just one more question:

"How can I lose all this weight I've put on?
I know by now I must weigh a ton."
He'll probably give me his two cents worth
And proceed to ask me "How on Earth

Can ANYONE eat the way you do?
To eat that much is quite taboo.
There should be a law against the way you eat.
You probably go on a diet just so you can cheat."

To heck with doctors--what do they know?
I'm sure right now I'm on a plateau.
Tomorrow is another day.
I wonder just how much I'll weigh.

I'm fat, I'm fat,
So what--who cares?
So what if my buttocks
Have to sit in two chairs!

Posted by: Loomis | January 20, 2006 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Great. Now I'll have that song in my head all evening. And I still have work to do.

Oh why fight it.

COOOKIE COOOKIE COOKIE STARTS WITH C!!!!

And you wonder why the government has problems....

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 20, 2006 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Cow town, no that was Picard.

Petard was JTK's invisible friend.

Posted by: dr | January 20, 2006 6:34 PM | Report abuse

A petard is a small dagger, and to be hoist on one's own petard means to accidentally stab oneself with one's own knife.

You want a full report of the cruise, huh? You should me well enough by now to be more careful what you ask for.

First, there were no opportunities for me to wear my flippers (and I didn't even take them). Nor did I show up on deck in a thong (I actually don't even own one.)

Yes, there are photos, some electronic and some actual film, though I have as yet seen neither. And I have a further dilemma, not knowing how to post them on this boodle and having no Web site of my own. Anyone got suggestions? (I'm also mulling the propriety of disclosing photos of people other than myself, without their permission or knowledge. Hmmm. Have to think about that.)

OK, not a full report, but something reasonably and boodle-friendly close:

1)Raves all around for Holland-America Lines and its ship, the Maasdam. The food was outstanding (though I was "good," and weighed exactly the same the day we came back as the day we left, though Mrs. Curmudgeon gained 4.5 pounds (which she will loose pretty easily, as she does well on rabbit-food-type diets, which she's on perpetually, anyway). Details to follow. The ship was immaculate. The service was wonderful (details to follow). Crew: excellent.
2)I'm basically a pretty moderate drinker (one glass of red wine a day, doctor's orders), but probably doubled or tripled that. Midst laurels stood a drink called a "pool side car" (brandy, orange liqueur, sour mix, sugar, etc., over crushed ice in a tall glass; the "lemon splash with mint" (gin, lemon sour mix, club soda, mint leaves, in a martini glass), and "my usual" shoreside Saturday night drink, the Black Russian (bought two one-liter bottles of Kahlua in St. Thomas for an incredible $9 each!!! usually about $17-$20 in my neck of the woods) (Of all the duty-free ports, St. Thomas is reputed to have the cheapest prices for booze, being about half what it is in most states. We brought back 8 bottles total, included two fifths of Glenfiddich single malt at $20 each.)(At the Bacardi distillery in San Juan, I bought a bottle of their only-sold-in-Puerto-Rico "Special Reserve" rum, aged (IIRC) 18 years (somebody correct me if I got it wrong), for the "factory price" of $49.95; it would sell for about $250 in the states if it was available here, so they say. You don't make Rum-and-Coke or chug-a-lug with this stuff; you sip it from a snifter. Easily the most expensive bottle of booze I've ever bought, or am ever likely to buy. But what the h--- [profanity rule]--it's only money and ya only go around once in life, right? And of course we had wine with dinner probably eight nights out of 11. An excellent Piesporter Riesling which became my wife's favorite; a very nice pinot noir called Van Duzer that we liked (not at all oakey or tannic), and two complimentary bottles of chardonnay called (IIRC) La Terre, the "house" wine that our travel agent paid for (have no idea what we did to deserve it, but thanks, folks).
3)The islands. We visited five islands: St. Thomas, Dominica (pronounced do-min-EEK-ah, and not to be confused with the Dominican Republic, although practically everybody seems to), Barbados, St. Kitts, and finally San Juan, Puerto Rico. Basically you have four to six hours on each--just enough to get a little taste of the place, take a tour, and do some quick shopping, and certainly not remotely enough time to really get into a place. Yes, it was basically a "If-it's-Tuesday-this-must-be-Belgium" cruise, but I myself have no objection to a "Whitman's Sampler" kinda cruise. For one thing, I learned which islands I'd go back to (St. Thomas and San Juan, and St. Kitts was easily my favorite) as well as places I'd never go again (Dominica, though the two couples we traveled with loved it).
St. Thomas: We were one of eight cruise ships in the harbor at Charlotte Amalie that day, so the joint was jumping. Had a great tour led by a former Miami fishing boat captain named Jimmy. The town exists pretty much as one giant shopping arcade geared almost exclusively to jewelry stores and secondarily to all other touristy/shopping events. Had a lot of nice stores, if you're into that sort of thing. (Sad to say, Mrs. Curmudgeon got deeply, deeply into that sort of thing, as is her wont to do. I was pretty much just the girly-bauble pack mule.). Would happily stay a week there (cash flow and annuity hemorrhaging notwithstanding).
Barbados: nice enough, I guess, and had a nice tour. Seen it, wouldn't go back.
Dominica: glad I saw it once, would never go back. I suppose I was mentally prepared for the fact that some of these places are essentially Third World countries, but Dominica threw me because it seemed to me to be entirely and 100% a Third World place, with literally zero (as far as I could see) "modern," tourist-oriented and tourist-safe locations. The interior of the island is wildly beautiful and full of mountainous cliffs and valleys, and some people said it reminded them of the big island of Hawaii, essentially crags and jungle. But if you wanted a sunny beach and a waiter to bring you a cocktail with a little cute paper umbrella, forget it. I think if someone had told me ahead of time what to expect, it might have seemed different. But to visit St. Thomas and then to walk off a cruise ship into the Third World expecting something like St. Thomas is disconcerting. Dominica is not what they call a "tourist destination." But I'm glad I saw it, just like I'm glad I once went to the foothills outside Lima, Peru, and saw similar poverty and Third World conditions. Just a question of expectations, I suppose.
St. Kitts: Seen from the deck of the cruise ship entering the port of Basseterre, St. Kitts was undoubtedly the most beautiful island of the bunch, with its twin volcanic peaks shrouded in clouds and the rest in sunlight. It's not very big, and the eye can encompass the entire island in one glorious sweep. Took a tour out to Brimstone Hill National Fortress Park, then walked around Basseterre and shopped (bought two nice neckties).
San Juan: Docked at Pier One not too far from El Morro CVastle in Old Town San Juan, and only had three hours there, which is almost a joke. Got a quick tour of the city, visited the Fort of San Christobal (never got to El Morrow, though they say it is fantastic), and toured the Bacardi plant (ya gotta have priorities--it was either that or El Morro). Had two mojitos and listened to a very entertaining bartender explain some stuff about rum that was quite interesting (if you like that sort of thing; I generally don't drink rum, but enjoying learning some bartending lore).
4)The weather: got lucky every day but two, coming back--had rough seas with 14-foot swells and the ride was a bit lumpy, with some passengers getting seasick and some more on the verge (I was fine, having been in the Merchant Marine and being around boats all my life).
5)Lost $90 in the ship's casino, playing three-card poker, Caribbean stud poker (five-card), and Blackjack (only $20 worth), but enjoyed it all and no regrets. The place had lots of slot machines, but I don't do slots. Otherwise, there were tons of activities on board, from trivia contests, to cabaret-type shows, to various lounge singers and even a string quartet (don't do string quartets, either, but there's them that do), an even a very good college professor/cultural anthropologist who gave talks on Calypso music, Caribbean pirates, and other subjects. There was a small movie theater (saw The Constant Gardner, very good but a real downer; the new Batman, which I rather liked; and Flightplan, with Jodie Foster and Peter Skarsgaard, who is very good and an up-and-comer). They even had an on-board shipbuilding contest using only "found" materials (which I won, winning a titanium Holland-America lines keychain and a round of pina coladas for the six of us). The trivia contests were pretty tough; the teams I was on finished in the top five, but only got as high as a tie for second on one occasion.
6)The crew: All excellent and extremely friendly and helpful. All the cabin staff, most of the lower-ranking front desk staff, and bartenders were Filippino. All the main dining room (the Rotterdam Room) stewards were Indonesian (many from Bali, where the population is mostly Hindu, whereas the rest of Indonesia is largely Muslim). Many of the casino dealers were Serbian or Croatian. The cruise director and several of his staff were Canadian. In the informal restaurant (think: cafeteria), the chief steward was Estonian. The captain was Dutch, as were several other crewmen and officers, though others were American and Canadian. The chef in charge of the Pinnacle Grill (a small "side" restaurant off the main restaurant, which required reservations and cost extra, but was worth every penny) was Austrian and gave a cooking demonstration one afternoon on making Dungeness crab cakes (excellent, even though they lacked Old Bay seasoning, as any true Marylander such as I will attest and require). Beds turned down every evening with a chocolate candy on the pillow and a fresh towel shaped like an animal (kind of a terrycloth origami, which we began to look forward to with anticipation every evening, wondering which particular animal our cabin steward was creating that day).
7)The food: Ate breakfast most days on the Lido Deck (top deck cafeteria/buffet), just the usual stuff, hot and cold cereal, egss/bacon/sausage, pancakes, waffles/French toast, etc., but all good and as much as you wanted. Many mornings I had lox (actually it was salmon, but same difference) and cream cheese on a toasted bagel with tomato and onion, a.k.a. the breakfast of champions. If you ate in the fancier Rotterdam Room, you ordered off a menu and got served at your table. You could eat lunch (if you were aboard) in the Rotterdam Room, in the Lido Room, or by the swimming pool, where there was a hamburger/hotdog/taco buffet bar.
We ate dinner almost every night in the Rotterdam Room, me dressing in my white dinner jacket for the three formal evening, and in dress shirt/necktie for the "informal" evenings, and in ordinary sports/golf shirt only on the two "casual" evenings, the first night and the last night when all your other clothes are presumably packed. (If you wanted to skip the dressy stuff, you could eat in the Lido Room in casual clothes any old time.) My wife brought three formal dresses, which she color-coordinated with my bowtie/cummerbunds, so she matched my black tie, my red tie, and my grey tie combo ensembles. The other two couple we were with did likewise, though one fellow in a black tux and the other in his best business suit. There was plenty of spiffitude to go 'round. ('Mongst the 1,300 passengers, there were two other men besides me also in white dinner jackets.) The dinner was four courses: a soup/salad/appetizer course that always had about five choices; then what seemed to me another round of appetizer-type courses with another five or six mouth-watering choices; the main course with about eight to ten choices, all knee-staggering; and then a dessert course with about 10 to 12 choices, some simple and some jaw-droppingly extravagant. In general, the food tended slightly toward nouvelle cuisine in style and presentation, but god knows, you never left the table hungry. There were always at least two or three "fallback" choices, such as a grilled chicken breast or a ribeye steak if you didn't want the fancier stuff. (I was always good at the dessert course, getting the sorbets or the sugarless vanilla ice cream, but I'm telling ya, I coulda done some serious damage to some of the more colorful desserts.) (To answer an earlier question, the ice cream or sorbet came with a single "cookie" that was usually a paper-thing wedge of something very light and Frenchified.)
We ate one evening in the Pinnacle Grill (think Morton's or a Ruth's Chris steakhouse), which was outstanding, one of the top four or five meals I've ever had. (I had the 10-ounce filet mignon, and couldn't make up my mind between the béarnaise sauce or the horseradish-mustard sauce, so the waiter brought me both. There was also a tomato-based sauce which one of my friends got, and it was to die for, too, as was the horseradish-mustard sauce.

The most satisfying part about writing this report is know that it has Lonemule spinning like a gyroscope. Too bad, fellah. Heh heh.

OK, it's Friday night and time to go.

Questions anyone?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 20, 2006 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow Curmudgeon. I have always looked down on cruises because of that whole Kathy Lee Gifford connection. But this actually sounds fun.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 20, 2006 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon, I think you should check the definition of "petard" at dictionary.com. Read the whole thing.

Posted by: nellie | January 20, 2006 7:14 PM | Report abuse

My dear Curmudgeon, you could seel cruises you know.

Please take this in only the nicest possible way. It sounds like your own Harlequin Romance novel. You know, (or maybe not, but check with Mrs. Curmudgeon) exotic locales, superior food, dressed to the nines, girl gets boy/boy gets girl, girl gets jewlery, sigh. Lovely!

Posted by: dr | January 20, 2006 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Better to be hoisted up by your own petard than somebody elses! Explosive gas indeed.

Posted by: mizerock | January 20, 2006 7:27 PM | Report abuse

> only-sold-in-Puerto-Rico "Special Reserve" rum, aged (IIRC) 18 years

I visited the soon-to-be Nats in Puerto Rico in 2003. I brought some back 2 bottles of that stuff, only because I misread the price in the store (somehow I saw $24) but decided to go through with the sale anyway. I regretted that purchase not a single bit.

They warn you not to buy the Bacardi 151 if you are flying home - being flammable, it is understandably forbidden (on ships too??)

Posted by: mizerock | January 20, 2006 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Ha! from the French for "break wind." Petard, indeed!

Now here's a fun list to think about over the weekend: a word for each year of the past century:

http://www.askoxford.com/worldofwords/wordayear2005/?view=uk

Posted by: Slyness | January 20, 2006 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh no!!
I thought it was a bad dream....But its true....This BLOG is still being posted.

I just ate a five pound block of cheese and washed in down with a quart of peanut butter.

Man..do I need to take a mean liberal!!!!

Posted by: The Real Lonemule | January 20, 2006 8:33 PM | Report abuse

'mudge, glad to hear you and the Mrs. had a good cruise.

There are economically challenged areas on every island I've been to in the Carribean (I'm up to 9 on my fingers here), some of them heartbreakingly so.

This is a little bit of a sensitive spot for me, as I do some work with relief efforts in Central America.

bc

Posted by: bc | January 20, 2006 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I should add that I don't mean to be a downer, and I don't want to come across as critical, but seeing malnourished little kids living in scrap tin shacks and mud huts sleeping on filthy infested bare mattresses changed my perspective on a great many things.

bc

Posted by: bc | January 20, 2006 8:56 PM | Report abuse

What the hell was Achenblog talking about?

Posted by: Aaron | January 20, 2006 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I know what you're saying, bc, and agree with you. My "problem" (can't think of a better word for it) was just the apparent disconnect between being on a fancy cruise ship and doing all the usual tourist stuff, and then pulling in to an island that was pure Third World, getting on a tour bus, and driving through Roseau and then into the countryside, and thinking, "What was the tour outfit thinking?"

Yes, I've seen starving children living in tin scrap huts, before too, and not just overseas. The difference is, I never paid 50 bucks to get on a tour bus to ride around in it for three hours, while a guide talked about "the lovely bougainvillea plant," and "the pretty Snow-on-the-Mountain plant," and "if you look carefully you may even see the green monkey." There is the (in my opinion reasonable) assumption that when you are on a cruise and you go to a tropical island, you expect to see certain things, and abject, soul-crushing poverty isn't one of them. Would any of you want to go to Washington, D.C., or New York, or Philly, or Chicago, and sign up for a "tour"--and then be bussed around the very poorest sections of the ghetto or barrio while the tour guide babbled on about colorful and creative use of grafitti, and the wonderful way the house with broken windows had great air conditioning and a closer relationshipo with nature, and the camaraderie and colorful patois of the streecorner crack dealers. C'mon, you see the point, don't you? It's the disconnect, and the disparity between what you actually see and what you think (perhaps naively) you expected to see.

I had my "perspective" on poverty permanently changed in the 1960s, when I saw Southern police using fire hoses on civil rights workers, and when I left my nice, peaceful campus in Philly to go tutor kids in heart of the third-kargest ghetto in the United States. I've seen plenty of poverty since then, here, in Mexico, and in Peru. I've just never paid $50 to take a bus tour of it before, that's all, and to be offered a nice, refreshing rum punch during the rest stop, and then to go back to my ship to put on my white dinner jacket and go eat a "dialogue of smoked salmon pate," followed by a chilled cranberry soup, followed by a main course of cedar-planked prawns in Calypso jerk sauce, accompanied by an crisp Johannesburg riesling. Maybe some of you folks can snap back and forth between those two extremes without difficulty in a hour or so, but I can't (never could).

mizerock, I think the $24 stuff you saw was the intermediate rum, aged 8 years, and not the full 18 of the Special Reserve. I thought about buying that one instead of the $50 bottle, but thought, hell, I may only be in Puerto Rico one time in my entire life, so what the hell. And yeah, they warned us, too, not to buy the 151 stuff. I wouldn't be interested in drinking it anyway.

I'll be damned, nellie, you're right! My English teacher lied to us! I remembered (correctly) that hoist on your own petard came from Hamlet, and specifically remember being told a petard was a small knife, like a dirk (and Hamlet alwas had one in his belt). I now suspect she told us it was a knife rather than get into the, uh, methane-like French origins of the word. And I now also suspect she had no clue about the wall-breaching small-bomb aspect.

My faith in English teachers is destroyed forever.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 20, 2006 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Late late yestereen
I saw the new moon with the old moon in its arm
And I swear I swear my master dear
This ship will come to harm

Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2006 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Late late yestereen
I saw the new moon with the old moon in its arm
And I swear I swear my master dear
This ship will come to harm

Posted by: Dave | January 20, 2006 10:09 PM | Report abuse

With Bush occupying the Oval Office, the past five years have gone by VERY SLOWLY. Car salesmen might cringe, but I think he would fit much better as a used-car salesman than as Leader of the Free World. By the way, wearing his Commander-in-Chief hat, can he face Court Martial?

Posted by: Mark | January 20, 2006 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Come on...what is this..
Nightmare on Pennsylvania Avenue?

Posted by: ceci | January 20, 2006 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Mudge writes:
"Maybe some of you folks can snap back and forth between those two extremes without difficulty in a hour or so, but I can't (never could)."

My question for you, Mudge, is how did the rest of the tour react to these two extremes? Is it something you talked about? Openly? How many? How soon after the tour?

bc,
Thank you for your posts. I've seen this kind of poverty, too. In Yugoslavia--certain portions of it, and taking Amtrak for the first time from California into El Paso and looking across the border into Mexico for the last 15 or 20 miles or so before arriving at the big train station in El Paso. Forgive my sentiments here, but these posts to the Achenblog in the last several days just make me think how very gluttonous we Americans are. It leaves me asking, rhetorically, perhaps, "When it enough really enough?" for us here in this country. Are waistlines are so huge, our cars are tanks, Congress will be corrupted for a few junkets and trinkets...

Posted by: Loomis | January 20, 2006 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Sorry..SCC:
"When is enough really enough?"

Posted by: Loomis | January 20, 2006 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Are you sure it hasn't been a millenium that dubya has been in office. I think he has called squaters rights. Kind of like our mayor for life.

Posted by: FWIW | January 20, 2006 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon - Thanks.

I did a cruise a couple of years ago. Carnival. It was a good time.

Like you, I don't much care for the slots. But I also enjoyed the good food. I had escargot one night. It was good, but I probably wouldn't do it again. It was a "what the hell" moment. Service was great. I also lugged back some cheap booze.

I was surprised at the shows. I'm not into the "Vegas-style" stage thing, but rather enjoyed it on the cruise. It cracked me up when all the performers were in a brief "freeze" and the ship would rock, leading to a stageful of folks trying to keep their balance.

There's something to be said for looking out out from the deck and seeing only water.

Posted by: Bayou Self | January 21, 2006 12:14 AM | Report abuse

You are just another example of a democrat who keeps complaining about Bush and the woulda shouldas instead of coming up with viable alternatives and innovative ideas that might actually challenge the Republican party. The Democratic party needs to stop supporting the same special interests that it always has and start realizing that there is a whole lot of america that it has forgotten.

Posted by: chadinwpbfl | January 21, 2006 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Never count your blessings as an American if you don't deserve to be called an American.

If you think the government can use the Bill of Rights as bathroom tissue because of an undeclared war, then you're no American - you're a traitor to the blood spilt to secure your liberty. Republicans who aren't libertarians are guilty of this treason. Follow the leader all the way to hell. And remember that Christ never wielded a handgun to pistol whip the least among us. Hypocrites. Republicans. Find death fast.

Posted by: Ben Franklin | January 21, 2006 3:27 AM | Report abuse

Hey

Posted by: Maria | January 21, 2006 4:15 AM | Report abuse

Hey. Bail of hay? In Philly we torch such in effigy of the failed Congress of equivicators that history shall damn as an effete lot of mangy curs who ought be put down in the interest of public safety and liberty.

Posted by: Ben Franklin | January 21, 2006 4:46 AM | Report abuse

bale of hay

Posted by: Ben Franklin | January 21, 2006 4:48 AM | Report abuse

I've never been on a cruise, and never had the desire to go on one. With my bad ears it would surely be a nightmare, there and back. As a child of the 60's, rather an old person now, seeing African-Americans beat, abused, water hosed, dogs used to attack, and just downright whipped on, it does give one a different perspective about things in general. And all because of the color of one's skin. Something none of us can do anything about. I suppose a cruise is okay, and no one needs my permission. Yet I have to ask: Do we do anything to help after we look at the situation on those islands, or do we just file it in our brain, and move on to something else?

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 21, 2006 5:49 AM | Report abuse

public service announcement: from inside the belly of the beast (those people are not your friends), i learned yesterday that federal employees' e-mail and internet activities are being subjected to an even more intensive level of scrutiny. vague hints of punishment for 'inappropriate' activities have been leaked. could it be that some activities, e.g. signing chain letters in defense of torture or alito, would be less 'inappropriate' than others, e.g. musing about the coronation of he who shall not be named.

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Posted by: butlerguy | January 21, 2006 9:44 AM | Report abuse

public service announcement: from inside the belly of the beast (those people are not your friends), i learned yesterday that federal employees' e-mail and internet activities are being subjected to an even more intensive level of scrutiny. vague hints of punishment for 'inappropriate' activities have been leaked. could it be that some activities, e.g. signing chain letters in defense of torture or alito, would be less 'inappropriate' than others, e.g. musing about the coronation of he who shall not be named.

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Posted by: butlerguy | January 21, 2006 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Man, if a president is only elected to what is felt is too long -- in this disposible and minute second attention span times -- a Prez would only be in office for 15 minutes or less.

If he truly was honest and said what he really felt, less than 15 nanoseconds (due to all the agenda pushes and PACs polluting politics would be screaming for his ouster).

So we get run-of-the-mill weak presidents instead, so the power brokers in congress/senate/business/financial world can actually rule, instead.

SandyK

Posted by: SandyK | January 21, 2006 10:38 AM | Report abuse

....three more weeks has many times seemed
too much longer...sigh...
with the rovester back at the podium the
other day we are seeing more of what the
next months will be spread with from the
bush2 WH and the congressional republicans
as they strive to keep control of the
federal goverment...
the comment from rove about who is pre and
post 9/11 surely underlines how any donkey
party cooperation with the ruling party
will be stomped on for partisan gains...
lest anyone forget the dems have not been
falling on many swords over post 9/11
policy...and of course as seen in the 2004
presidential election any opposition will
be gut punched endlessly to sow confusion
and disarray with the voters...
...i don't understand how the party that
gave us wilson,fdr,truman and lbj gets put
on this "the party that does not keep the
usa safe or secure" hook...
wilson took us in and out of ww1,fdr near
the same with ww2,truman...that artillery
captain of ww1 waded into the post ww2
arena with not much fear showing...
and lbj surely ran the red lights during
the runup and buildup in vietnam...
and as for kerry... the guy was in vietnam
and did the tour...
cheney...mr.deferment
bush2...daddys connections came thru and
even then he failed at fulfilment
so when rove stands at the podium and is
willing to reel off on this pre and post
comparative stuff it is clearly a swim
to the bottom...and he is a bottom dweller
...i do think the dems need to retire out
some of the longtime players
...i do think the dems need to step up
on clarity of message and mission
...i do think the pandering and middle of
roading will not gain the dems much value
...why a country as diverse and faceted as
the usa has only 2 dominant political
parties when clearly as many as 5 major
parties could better lead the issues and
debate seems such a shortfall
...the 2 parties are so much in the middle
they quite often become a single monolith
of accepted policies and status quo
...attempts at electing "brand a or b" the
the nonchoice" leads to money being the
shout factor bullhorn...and as we have seen
in washington dc... money is the driver
..having intelligent and forward searching
political discourse surely would be so
very meaningful for a change...the issues
facing all americans on personal,national
and global agendas require it...sadly we
likely will be seeing little of that in
2006...the race to the bottom is on...

Posted by: an american in siam... | January 21, 2006 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Well said, american in siam. I despair too at how well the Republicat machine spins its lies, and at how badly the Democrats respond. I hope Barack Obama runs in 2008 - such intelligence, such confidence, such common sense. Hillary has too much baggage, and while I think she would make a fine president, I don't think she would have a chance against the Republicat hatemongers. A third, fourth, or fifth party would certainly shake things up, but what a struggle to overcome the establishment.

(My use of "Republicat" is deliberate - I loathe the use of "Democrat", as in "Ted Kennedy, Democrat senator.")

Posted by: mostlylurking | January 21, 2006 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I was going to suggest that someone had to put a lid on the swollen, wordy length of posts by the person named LLoomis, and then I was treated to the diary, or was it diarrhea, of an account of a cruise by a Curmudgeon.

The comments about poverty were so touching--and typically American. To get a real feel for poverty, go to Iraq and see the death-dealing activities of people who represent you. They have taken the bodies and soles of tens and tens of thousands of Iraqi's. I am talking about American armed forces, not the insurgents. What are we to do? I am so disturbed about this that I just could not identify much with the cruiser's brush with a few poor Third Worlders. Pray for peace, please.

Posted by: A Christian in a Muslim World | January 21, 2006 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm a 57 year Puerto Rican whose parents were FDR democrats and I feel that I should have been one for life. Unfortunately, this fixation with "W" is unreal. Should we have continued the voting in Dade County and gone into Hialeah and found out how many votes Gore would have gotten. I think not.

In less than three years you can be back in power or complain that the Republicans having stolen another elections from you.

If your lucky, Socialist Hillary could be president. My wife is from Canada. Would you like to know how her and her family feel about Socialized medicine? Or, at 57 would you like to know how I would feel having my retirement money hit one time with a 15% tax tp redistribute the wealth. It means I may not be able to retire.

Or maybe we'll get hit again by terrorists and you can have the peace of mind of knowing that there will be a presiddent in power who will capitulate and we will become the second-rate power we deserve to be.

Funny thing about growing up in the ghetto was that I found out that if I capitulated, then I was guaranteed another butt whuppin. But once I started fighting back, I never had another fight.

But I know that this is much to simplistic for the intellectually elite. My liberal friends have a word for me, "Idiot!" I ask them "esplain Lucee," and there response is "Idiot!" So much for facts!

Posted by: Sneaky Pete | January 21, 2006 5:51 PM | Report abuse

p.s. If this were the Democratic Party of my youth, I would still be with you'all. What happened?

An Italian from South Jersey. Shouldn't Alito be a democrat?

Posted by: Sneaky Pete | January 21, 2006 5:53 PM | Report abuse

fuck this

Posted by: snick | January 21, 2006 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Congress just pass a law extending daylight savings time by a few weeks? If they can do that, maybe they can shorten Bush's second term. Forget all this nonsense about a strong executive... the legislature controls time itself.

Posted by: ErrinF | January 21, 2006 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon:

Photobucket.com is a website that facilitates sharing photos on-line. It's not the only one, of course, but it's the one my family uses. You can Google "share photos online free" and you'll get lots of choices.

Posted by: Reader | January 21, 2006 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Insightful comments, an american in siam. I liked your points about Wilson, FDR, HST, and LBJ and their responses to war. With 5 major parties , the lobbyists wouldn't know where to start. Senators and Representatives might even be able to debate things again in the houses of congress.

As Reader says we all must begin working for how we want our future to be.

Cassandra, you have a good point there, about the people in poverty and what do we do about them. That is what I feel about the Katrina victims. We can't forget them and must keep encouraging our govt.(local and natl.) to keep to the rebuilding and renovating and restoring and uplifting of those who for so long have been forgotten.
We need a domestic Marshall plan and an administrator who really cares about the people.

Thanks for the travelog, Mudge. You do write well. Your discourse gave a good summary of cruise life. One seldom hears the small details like specific kinds of wine and distinctions between the various resturants as well as the different islands.

Tollhouse cookies made with Nestles chocolate chips are some of the best.

bdl

Posted by: boondocklurker | January 21, 2006 9:34 PM | Report abuse

but does the long cruise monologue mean he has no one else to talk with about it (except for his spouse)? we do welcome the very lonely here, i have been told.

Posted by: FachenA | January 21, 2006 10:37 PM | Report abuse

My one fear is that if the Democrats somehow retake Congress they will impeach Bush and remove him from office. This is dangerous because it would put Vice President Cheney in charge and we would NEVER get rid of him.

http://www.intepidliberaljournal.blogspot.com

Posted by: Intrepid Liberal | January 21, 2006 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I could swear some fool asked Curmudgeon for an account of what went on during his cruise.

And so he replied.

Posted by: Bayou Self | January 21, 2006 11:43 PM | Report abuse

"Stevenson tales that were too revolting to publish"

TWO unknown comic stories by Robert Louis Stevenson have been discovered in the archive of an American library more than a century after his death.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2002231,00.html

***

speaking of "revolting"...I think about half of the comments in this boodle need to be excised. Hal?

Posted by: Off Topic | January 22, 2006 6:06 AM | Report abuse

"posting photos"

flickr seems to be doing a nice job of sharing photos from an entire community of photographers

a month or two ago someone in this group posted a link to seawallrunner's photos on flickr, and i have revisited the site a number of times since to see more of her remarkable photographs

http://www.flickr.com/photos/seawallrunner/81782062/in/set-1747196/

flickr appears at the top of the list in a Google search for "share photos," but it doesn't appear until page 5 of a Google search for "share photos online free" ... hmmm ... it's all in how you ask

Posted by: kp | January 22, 2006 6:51 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, Bayou Self. That's exactly why I wrote my little travelog.

Yes, FachenA, I am desperately lonely and have no one else to talk to, except perhaps my wife, my five children, my three sons/daughter-in-law, their parents, my 10 grandchildren, the neighbors, the 15 other people in my department at work (all of whom asked about the cruise), the other 30 or 40 people in the larger department (some of whom asked), relatives of the two other couple we traveled with, about 10 other close friends (several going all the way back to high school, circa 1960s), casual friends and acquaintances around town, the six or eight people from my previous job whom I'm still in contact with, and perhaps a dozen of my wife's business colleagues. Other than that, I'm pretty much the lonely, isolated hermit you imagine me to be. You're up to your usual perspicaity and insightfulness. Good call.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 22, 2006 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Dudes and dudettes like Loomis Curmudgeon and Bayou wanna watch each others' backs. And give a fine apology for an oh so nice description of a cruise. Sigh.

You and most of this blog's commentariat are overeducated bourgeois rearers of children with defective tastes and dyed in the wool with affectation and snobbery and amateur politics.

And you regulars write like head-injured kinders with extra chromosomes who have access to the espresso machine in the neighborhood tree house.

Curmudgeon howzabout the catering and the legal extraterritoriality? Tell us the part where you rake in some parentless pre-adolescent Venezuelans to your cabin. How many Prawn did you murder in your stomach? Did they retaliate with salmonella? Mickey Mouse was helicoptered in when you started vomiting. Right? Sorry chap - enjoying your retirement or whatever is one thing - writing about a cruise is bourgeois and gauche and one more French word imbecile. Which makes you a douchebag, minus the vinegar.

Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger | January 22, 2006 1:30 PM | Report abuse

But if there's an ammendment to deduct vacation time from "Term Served" we're all in alot of trouble.

Posted by: DLeVant | January 23, 2006 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Thank God it is only three more years. Well, realy 2 years and 11 months, but who is counting.

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MICROSOFT XBOX 360 AT JUST $120usd,

SONY ERICSSON P990 AT JUST $180usd,

NOKIA 8800 AT JUST $180usd,

NOKIA 9300 AT JUST $190usd,

NOKIA N90 AT JUST $210usd

NOKIA N91 AT JUST $230usd

SAMSUNG D500 AT JUST $180usd,

SAMSUNG D415 AT JUST $150usd,

SAMSUNG D600 AT JUST $180usd,

SIDEKICK II AT JUST $120usd

phonesellerltd@myway.com

Posted by: gary | February 11, 2006 3:15 AM | Report abuse

WE ARE SELLING ALL TYPES OF MOBILE PHONES AND GAMES LIKE X BOX 360,PLAYSTATION 3 AND OTHERS SO EMAIL US NOW TO mama02@myway.com or r_t2t@hotmail.com or r_t2t@yahoo.com OR CALL US AT 234-8026-198864.THANKS
NEXTEL i930 AT JUST $130usd,
NEXTEL i860 AT JUST $110usd,
MOTOROLA RAZOR V3 AT JUST $130usd
MOTOROLA MPX 220 AT JUST $140usd,
MOTOROLA MPX 300 AT JUST $160usd,
NOKIA 9500 AT JUST $150usd,
NOKIA N90 AT JUST $170usd
NOKIA N91 AT JUST $180usd
NOKIA 6630 AT JUST $130usd
NOKIA N70 AT JUST 140USD
NOKIA 8800 AT JUST 140USD
MAIL AND GET BACK TO US AT mama02@myway.com or r_t2t@hotmail.com or r_t2t@yahoo.com

GAMES

We are selling playstion 3 at 200usd and x box 360 at 170usd so you can reach us at mama02@myway.com or r_t2t@hotmail.com or r_t2t@yahoo.com
laptops
SONY VAIO A217S-- 100GB-- 512MB RAM-- XP HOME-------------$300
SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO--------------$330
SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP----------------$200
SONY VAIO A215Z 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP------------------$2450
SONY VAIO A397XP-- 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP----------------$300
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP---------------$250
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP---------------$400
SONY VAIO FS295VP 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP---------------$350
SONY VAIO FS215Z 100GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP---------------$350
SONY VAIO A417M 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP-----------------$450
SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO-------------$200
SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO----------$400
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN-A117S---------------$300
Toshiba Tecra 8200 (laptop)
850MHz Notebook with WiFi for onfiltered== $300
Dell Latitude C400 (laptop)
Ultra Lightweight 866MHz for onfiltered===$390
ThinkPad T42 2373 - Pentium M 735 1.7 GHz -(laptop)
RAM 512 MB - HD 40 GB - CD ===$590
ABS Mayhem G3 notebook Athlon (laptop)
64 3200+ 512MB 60GB/7200 CDRW/DVD 15.4'
Windows XP Home ====$800
AVERATEC 3150P - Athlon XP-M 1.33 (laptop)
GHz - 12.1" TFT===$500
Toshiba Tecra M4-S435 (laptop)==$1350
Acer TravelMate C314XMi Tablet PC ==$1300
Dell Inspiron 700m ===$1020
Dell Inspiron 700M for Home (Pentium M 1.70GHz, 512MB, 40GB)== $1100
Dell Inspiron 2200 for Home (Celeron 1.50GHz, 256MB, 40GB)== $1000
Alienware Area-51 5300 - P4 530J 3 GHz ===$590
Alienware DHS 5 (Athlon 64 1.8 GHz) ===$1590
Alienware Aurora ALX SLI ==== $4,100
So send us an email to mama02@myway.com or r_t2t@hotmail.com or r_t2t@yahoo.com
ipods
Archos price drop! G mini 402**** 230usd
Archos technology 500669 gminixs 200-mp3 player/recorder*160usd
Archos av 700 - 40gb mobile digital video recorder*** 320usd
Apple 512 mb ipod shuffle mp3**** player
New apple 60 GB video ipod****100USD
New apple 30 GB video ipod****140USD
So send us an email to mama02@myway.com or r_t2t@hotmail.com or r_t2t@yahoo.com

Posted by: mama | February 16, 2006 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to Suleman Wireless Tradeing Company Limited,that deals with brand new mobile phones and accessories. Now we would like to introduce you our offer of mobile phones we sell and at the bottom you can get some information connected with our mode of payments and many more. we deal in mobile phones ,accesories ,laptops camcoders and has branches all over the world ,all our prices are wholesale price ,thus discounts are granted to customers depending on the volume of purchase ... Specifications: below are some brand of phones we have in stock in all quanties required Here is the price list with the actual prices: Do contact us direct by E mail sulemaninc@yahoo.co.uk WE ARE SELLING ALL KIND OF MOBILE PHONES AT A CHEAP PRICES MOTOROLA RAZOR V3 AT JUST......... $140USD MTOROLA MPX 300 AT JUST ............$130USD MOTOROLA MPX 200 ..................$125USD Sony Ericsson K500i.....130 USD Sony Ericsson P800......170 USD Sony Ericsson P900......140 USD Sony Ericsson P910i.....160 USD Sony Ericsson T230......80 USD Sony Ericsson T310......80 USD Sony Ericsson T610......100 USD Sony Ericsson Z1010.....180 USD Sony Ericsson Z200......90 USD Sony Ericsson Z600......130 USD Sony Ericssson T630.....130 USD Sony Ericsson S700i.....130 USD Sony Ericsson S750i.....120 USD Nokia 3200......40 USD Nokia 3220......60 USD Nokia 3300......60 USD Nokia 3660......70 USD Nokia 5100......60 USD Nokia 5140......70 USD Nokia 6100......50 USD Nokia 6108......60 USD Nokia 6220......70 USD Nokia 6230......90 USD Nokia 6230i......110 USD Nokia 6260......120 USD Nokia 6270......160 USD Nokia 6600......100 USD Nokia 6630......90 USD Nokia 6610......70 USD Nokia 6610i.....90 USD Nokia 6650......120 USD Nokia 6670 Smartphone...130 USD Nokia 6820......70 USD Nokia 7200......80 USD Nokia 7210......60 USD Nokia 3230......140 USD Nokia 7610......120 USD Nokia 9300......150 USD Nokia 7250......70 USD Nokia 7250i.....75 USD Nokia 7260......130 USD Nokia 7200......110 USD Nokia 7600......90 USD Nokia 7610......120 USD Nokia 8910i.....120 USD Nokia 8910i.....110 USD Nokia 9210i Communicator..160 USD Nokia 9500 Communicator..180 USD Nokia 9300 Communicator..180 USD Nokia N-Gage....120 USD Nokia N-gage QD.180 USD Nokia 7710......150 USD Nokia 6680......140 USD Nokia 8800......160 USD Nokia 6680......130 USD Nokia 6681......130 USD Nokia N90......180 USD Nokia N91......180 USD Nokia N70......230 USD Nokia 6060......240 USD Nokia 6111......200 USD Motorola A388C......170 USD Motorola A760.......250 USD Motorola A768.......260 USD Motorola A768i......200 USD Motorola A780.......290 USD Motorola C550.......90 USD Motorola C650.......100 USD Motorola E365.......100 USD Motorola E398.......120 USD Motorola E680.......240 USD Motorola RAZR V3....270 USD Motorola V220.......170 USD Motorola V303.......100 USD Motorola V400.......150 USD Motorola V500.......150 USD Motorola V501.......200 USD Motorola V525.......150 USD Motorola V600 (OEM) w/ Bluetooth Headset..260 USD Motorola V600 OEM...180 USD Motorola V690.....170 USD Motorola V750.....180 USD Motorola V80......200 USD Motorola V80 with Bluetooth...260 USD Motorola V872.....200 USD Motorola V878....180 USD Motorola V300....150 USD Samsung D500...240 USD Samsung E600...140 USD Samsung E800...180 USD Samsung P510...120 USD Samsung SGH-D410.200 USD Samsung SGH-D500..270 USD Samsung SGH-E700..150 USD Samsung SGH-E715..170 USD Samsung SGH-P100..130 USD Samsung SGH-P400..95 USD Samsung SGH-P408..240 USD Samsung SGH-P730..150 USD Samsung SGH-S200..90 USD Samsung SGH-S300..70 USD Samsung SGH-S300M..100 USD Samsung SGH-S500...100 USD Samsung SGH-V200...110 USD Samsung SGH-X400...100 USD Samsung SGH-X430...100 USD Samsung SGH-X600...100 USD Samsung X450.......100 USD PDA's HP IPaq Pocket PC H4150 ========= $190 Asus MyPal A716 ================= $175 HP IPaq Pocket PC H4350 ========= $185 Toshiba Pocket PC E405 ========== $120 Sony Clie PEG-TH55 ============== $155 Toshiba Pocket PC E800 ========== $220 PalmOne Zire 72================== $120 PalmOne Tungsten E ============== $90 PalmOne Tungsten C ============== $140 PalmOne Zire 31 ================= $65 palm Treo 650=====================$240 1 year worldwide warranty. If this is ok for you reply me asap here; or u can mail me on sulemaninc@yahoo.co.uk Thus payment methods , are western union. We look forward to your prompt reply .......SERIOUS AND LEGIT BUYERS . Do contact us direct by E mail sulemaninc@yahoo.co.uk Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ......40 USD Apple 40 GB iPod photo....................40 USD Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ....40 USD Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A..........60 USD Apple 60 GB iPod photo ...................55 USD Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A..........50 USD Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player......40 USD Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A.......45 USD Apple 2 GB iPod Nano......................50 USD Apple 4 GB iPod Nano......................60 USD Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe...................110 USD Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe...................150 USD X box 360 ..................$180usd Play Station 2 ...........$140usd Play Station 3 ..........$190usd Do contact us direct by E mail sulemaninc@yahoo.co.uk

Posted by: Sule Momoda | February 27, 2006 9:42 PM | Report abuse

we have all kind of mobile phones for sale.we have all kind of Brand
new nokia, Brand new sony ericsson, samsung, motorola, nextel,qtek,
benq, os and all kind of mobile phones. our mobile phones are:-
1) Brand new gsm phones (this includes accessories, manuals,
softwareand boxes)
2) unlocked / sim free.
3) Brand new (original manufacturer) box - no copies
4) all phones have english language asdefault
5) all material (software, manual) - car chargers - home
chargers - usb data cables - holsters/belt clips - wireless
headsets(bluetooth) - leather and non-leather carrying cases -
batteries.ifyou are interested, forward your questions and enquires to
us via email with your order and shipping details. we give 1 year
warranty for every phone sold out to our costumers, our phones are
company class 1 tested and approved by global standard organization of
wireless industries, Brand new phones with complete accessories, extra
charger and battery.serious buyers should
Contact Personeter Greg.
Email:nicobash2004@hotmail.com
Email:nicobash20042@yahoo.com
Nokia 6020 tri-bank edge gsm/gprs $224.99
Nokia 7610 tri-band gsm/gprs $324.99
Nokia 9500 tri-band pda gsm/gprs $724.99
Nokia 6822 gsm/gprs phone $274.99
Nokia n93 $200usd
Nokia 3200 $90usd
Nokia 3300 $95usd
Nokia 3660 $95usd
Nokia 5100 $100usd
Nokia 5140 $100usd
Nokia 6100 $100usd
Nokia 6108 $100usd
Nokia 6220 $120usd
Nokia 6230 $120usd
Nokia 6230i $125usd
Nokia 6260 $120usd
Nokia 6270 $130usd
Nokia 6600 $125usd
Nokia 6630 $125usd
Nokia 6610 $115usd
Nokia 6610i $115sd
Nokia 6650 $120usd
Nokia 6670 smart phone $100usd
Nokia 6820 $110
Nokia 7200 $125usd
Nokia 7210 110usd
Nokia 3230 110usd
Nokia 7610 180usd
Nokia 9300 1800usd
Nokia 7250 70usd
Nokia 7250i 115usd
Nokia 7260 120usd
Nokia 7200 100usd
Nokia 7600i 100usd
Nokia 7610 152usd
Nokia 8910i 110usd
Nokia 8910i c..110usd
Nokia 9210i communicator 120usd
Nokia 9500 communicator160usd
Nokia 9300 communicator..180usd
Nokia n-gage 110usd
Nokia n-gage qd.140usd
Nokia 7710 120usd
Nokia 6680 180usd
Nokia 8800 160usd
Nokia 6680 110usd
Nokia 6681 180usd
Nokia n90 120usd
Nokia n91 1500usd
Nokia n70 180usd
Nokia 6060 100usd
Nokia 6111 200usd
Samsungs
Samsung d500 110usd
Samsung e600 80usd
Samsung e800 20usd
Samsung p510 100usd
Samsung sgh-d410 $170usd
Samsung sgh-e700 $100usd
Samsung sgh-e715 $110usd
Samsung sgh-p100 $100usd
Samsung sgh-p400 $95usd
Samsung sgh-p408 $130usd
Samsung sgh-p730 $100usd
Samsung sgh-s200 $90usd
Samsung sgh-s300 $70usd
Samsung sgh-s300m $100usd
Samsung sgh-s500 100usd
Samsung sgh-v200 110usd
Samsung sgh-x400 100usd
Samsung sgh-x430 100usd
Samsung sgh-x600 100usd
Samsung x450 100usd
Samsung SCH-i730 $100usd
Samsung SPH-i500 $100usd
Samsung p777 $100usd
Samsung SPH-i330 $115usd
Samsung SCH-A890 . $110usd
Sony ericsson
Sony ericsson k500i 100usd
Sony Ericsson p800 160usd
Sony Ericsson p900 150usd
Sony Ericsson p910 100usd
Sony Ericsson t230 80usd
Sony Ericsson t310 80usd
Sony Ericsson t610 100usd
Sony Ericsson z1010 340usd
Sony Ericsson z600 100usd
Sony ericssson t630 100usd
Sony Ericsson s700i 100usd
Sony Ericsson s750i 150usd
Sony Ericsson W800i $165usd
Motorola
Motorola a388c 130usd
Motorola a760 .150usd
Motorola a768 120usd
Motorola a768i 150usd
Motorola a780 200usd
Motorola c550 90usd
Motorola c650 100usd
Motorola e365 100usd
Motorola e398 100usd
Motorola i860 $100usd
Motorola Mpx 300 $100usd
Motorola Mpx 220 $140usd
Motorola V6 $180usd
Motorola e680 340usd
Motorola razor v3 100usd
Motorola v220 120usd
Motorola v303 100usd
Motorola v400 100usd
Motorola v500 100usd
Motorola v501 100usd
Motorola v525 100usd
Motorola v600 (oem) w/ Bluetooth headset 160usd
Motorola v600 oem 150usd
Motorola v690 120usd
Motorola v750 130usd
Motorola v80 150usd
Motorola v80 with Bluetooth 160usd
Motorola v872 1500usd
Motorola v878 130usd
Motorola v300 100usd
Nextel
Nextel 6510TM-- US$110
Nextel i730-- US$85
Nextel i733-- US$95
Nextel i736-- US$100
Nextel i830-- US$110
Nextel i860-- US$120
Nextel i930-- US$130
PDA's
HP IPaq Pocket PC H4150 ========= $140
Asus MyPal A716 ================= $135
HP IPaq Pocket PC H4350 ========= $140
Toshiba Pocket PC E405 ========== $100
Sony Clie PEG-TH55 ============== $120
Toshiba Pocket PC E800 ========== $150
PalmOne Zire 72================== $100
PalmOne Tungsten E ============== $70
PalmOne Tungsten C ============== $120
PalmOne Zire 31 ================= $50
palm Treo 650=====================$180
play station 1......... $120
play station 2 ....$130
play station 3.....$150
x_box 360.........$200
GARMIN 396........$150
Game boy latext edition......$110
this games are brand new sealed in black company Box.
Apple 20 GB iPod .........................45 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ......40 USD
Apple 40 GB iPod photo....................40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ....40 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A..........60 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo ...................55 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A..........50 USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player......40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A.......45 USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano......................50 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Nano......................60 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe...................110 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe...................150 USD
SIDEKICK
Sidekick II Cell Phone for 120usd
T-Mobile Sidekick 2 NOW with Service for 100usd
T-Mobile To Go Prepaid Sidekick II for 100usd
Sidekick II for T-Mobile with new service Plan 130usd
T-Mobile Sidekick II T-Mobile Replacement Phone for 110 usd
1996 Transfer Case: Sidekick 1996, and 1997 automatic....$100 usd
Sidekick Basic Kit.......................................$100 usd
Sidekick II T-Mobile Cell Phone with Color Screen........$100 usd
T-Mobile Sidekick 2 Danger Cell Phone....................$100 usd
T-Mobile Sidekick II TMO to Go Prepaid Phone.............$100 usd
Mobile Sidekick II.......................................$110 usd
ProTop 2 Piece Hardtop Suzuki Vitara / Chevy Tracker.....$100 usd
Protop 2 Piece Hardtop for Sidekick / Tracker ...........$100 usd
Original Extended Carbox Package 1989-1998...............$100 usd
Original Extended Carbox Sidekick/Tracker 2 &............$100 usd
T-Mobile Sidekick 2 Danger Cell Phone....................$100 usd
SIDEKICK 3 for just.................................... $120 usd
AND MANY MORE OF CHOICES.................................
Email:nicobash2004@hotmail.com
Email:nicobash20042@yahoo.com
HERE IS OUR CONTACT MOBILE NUMBER +2348066359044 YOU FREE TO CALL ON US FOR MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT YOU NEED TO ORDER FROM OUR COMPANY.
THANKS,
REGARDS.
NICO BASH.

Posted by: nico | September 26, 2006 9:15 AM | Report abuse

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