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Look Closely at Bush Katrina-Warning Video

In the video showing the president participating in a video-conference a day before Katrina's landfall, we see him in a suit and tie, in a room at his ranch that apparently has been set aside for official business. It has the feel of a bunker. There are no windows, perhaps to ensure that the remote participants do not see, out a window, Karl Rove doing "cannonballs" off the diving board.

The room, with a few paintings on the walls and the long conference table, is designed to give the president a space to perform the role of Chief Executive even when he is on vacation and devoting himself to clearing brush and riding his bike. But technology bites back: The unintended effect of the tableau is to create the image of a president who is sealed off from the world, almost imprisoned. He is trying to get information through a single aperture. We have the camera's view of Bush, and his world looks distorted, warped, weird. The lighting and sound are muted. The colors aren't natural, and skew beige and brown. Bush is not alone, but neither is he surrounded by his usual entourage. There is a photographer in a corner, panning the room as if tracking activity that is not visible to the viewer. To Bush's right is White House deputy chief of staff Joseph Hagin. A chair is unoccupied.

In front of the president are what appear to be a couple of laptop computers and some reading material. [Maybe it's "My Pet Goat." Carries it everywhere?]

There are, obviously, wildly different interpretations of the significance of this video. Bush In Charge, is the White House spin. Bush Knew And Did Nothing, is the Democratic allegation. You make the call.

Quick timeline: The video-conference took place on a Sunday, and Katrina hit the next day. According to Susan Page of USA Today (Sept. 28, 200), "As Katrina barreled toward landfall at the end of August, Bush cleared brush at his ranch in Texas; met with his national-security team to discuss the progress of the war; was photographed strumming a guitar given to him by country singer Mark Willis..."

But then Bush did leave his ranch -- heading west, to make a speech in Arizona promoting Medicare reform, then to California for a ceremony at a naval base marking the anniversary of the end of World War II. He flew back to his ranch that Tuesday and left Wednesday for Washington, cutting short his summer vacation by two days. He viewed the devastation from the window of Air Force One as it flew low over the Gulf Coast. On Thursday he told ABC that no one anticipated that the levees of New Orleans might be breached.

By Joel Achenbach  |  March 2, 2006; 10:21 AM ET
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You have captured the man as he really is.

Lord help us. God is great.

Posted by: Goombahgirl | March 2, 2006 11:18 AM | Report abuse

A good deconstruction of what will become the Zapruder film of the Katrina disaster. I think the phrase "failure of imagination" is the defining metaphor for the Bush presidency.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 2, 2006 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Good lord, when does this guy's criminal incompetence become criminal enough to take action?

Posted by: Lurker | March 2, 2006 11:32 AM | Report abuse

On Tuesday, the day after Katrina struck, Bush and Rove thought it more important to spend the selling his Iraq war by comparing it to WWII and himself to FDR and Churchill.

Posted by: Robert Cherry | March 2, 2006 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just as well that the next earthquake will come unannounced. Did I notice plans to encourage mass retirements at the National Weather Service?

Posted by: Dave | March 2, 2006 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Bunker or Church? Both are cut-off from the world, and the inhabitants invent their own reality minute by minute. I maintain that Bush's entire reign is like a preacher's ego trip. C--ksucker gets to stand before his "flock" and be Lord and Master of reality. "Don't believe anything you see, hear, smell, read or know. I'm here to tell you the TRUTH. And my TRUTH is the ONLY ONE that matters."

Posted by: BushIsBunk | March 2, 2006 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm starting to feel sorry for Michael Brown.

This video lays to rest at least one major question: is George W. Bush an idiot? I, and others, have argued for years that he is. Now I know that we were wrong. Being an idiot -- or, I should say, a person of minimal intellectual aptitude (idiot being an outmoded and degrading term) -- carries no moral burden. It would just mean that he isn't too swift. It turns out that Mr. Bush really is something that carries a moral burden. I refuse to say the word. It's just too politically charged. But I think you know what I mean.

Posted by: Tim | March 2, 2006 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Bush's statements are all keyed to PR purposes. He made a few nice remarks about my city a number of days after the storrm when he finally found time to fly over and see the devastation wrought by COE failures. Now it shows how he was made aware of the Dome and health and levee disaster possibilities, but later was on camera stating that no one could have have foretold a levee breach. What a liar and how many people have died as a consequence! Impeach the SOB!

Posted by: Louis in New Orleans | March 2, 2006 11:49 AM | Report abuse

methinks this post will attract the usual rovestorm. i'm heading for my own bunker...

Posted by: edward | March 2, 2006 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Just straying off topic for one little second: Is it me or are the fonts just a teensie weensie bit bigger?

Posted by: CowTown | March 2, 2006 11:55 AM | Report abuse

More discussion of the images and what they may or may not tell us can be found here ...

Posted by: Bayou Self | March 2, 2006 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Just another example of the ineptitude of our fearless leader and of the administration's un-willingness to admit fault or mistakes. When is Congress finally going to wake up and begin impeachment procedures?

Posted by: John | March 2, 2006 11:58 AM | Report abuse

There's more going on--at multiple levels--with camera obscura at the Bush ranch than you might realize...

BTW, did you know that there is a large man-made lake (true) on Bush's ranch? Rove may have been on the Big Pond, in his Swift Boat, fishing for ways to roil Democratic waters?

BTW: did get a very nice e-mail yesterday from W. Leon Smith, editor-in-chief of the Lone Star Iconoclast in Crawford, Texas. Just made my day in such a special way.

I remeber asking Robert Kaiser in an online chat if he was bothered by Bush's lack of curiosity. Bush didn't ask one question during his Katrina briefing, the press had pounced on in the last 24 hours. Kaiser said that he was bothered aplenty, that presidents should be curious, and that curiosity is the lifeblood of the journalism trade. Wonder if we can find that somewhere in the WaPo online chat transcripts?

Course, I went too hear Robert Rivard speak at Our Lady of the Lake University very recently about his book about slain reporter Philip True who was head of the San Antonio Express-News' Mexico City bureau. Rivard said there are two things that drive reporters: curiosity and controlled anger. Interesting thought.

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm wondering if it's possible that Bush was taken out of context. Before you laugh, those of you who don't like the guy (and I'm in that camp), remember that he's often attacked for not talkin' so well.

Hurricane hits. Things at first appear to be okay. And then the levee breaks.

(Insert brief bit of Led Zeppelin's When the Levee Breaks here.)

And then Bush says what he said about nobody thinking the levee would break, referring to how they all thought everything was going to be okay in New Orleans.

Possible or no way?

Posted by: Bayou Self | March 2, 2006 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The liar is the same guy who keeps prattling on about how his chief duty is to be commander-in-chief and protect "the American people" from our enemies.

Let's set aside the pesky detail that he's forgotten that what he swore to in taking the Presidential Oath twice was to "protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." How could protecting our country from enemies -- many of our own making or may be a figment of Dick Chaney's imagination -- be more important than being fully engaged in an effort to protect hundreds of thousands of people and a major American port from a natural disaster?

Impeachment should only be the beginning -- is there any such thing as executive immunity from 1,500 counts of criminally negligent homicide?

Posted by: Furious in New England | March 2, 2006 12:01 PM | Report abuse

lots of opinions Joel
where are the facts?

Posted by: tom | March 2, 2006 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Joel writes:
I think that Bush was not so much leaving his Crawford ranch in anticipation of doing something about the aftermath of the hurricane but (first) rather to avoid the oppressive heat of the past August here in Texas/Crawford, as (secondly and far more importantly) well as to get out of the hot-spot lighting of the media firestorm generated by the fireball Cindy Sheehan.

Don't get me started on "My Pet Goat" and the goings-on in Crawford either. I know too much! Mudge, meet me at Alcatraz!

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Cowtown, I think you're right about the larger font size. Methinks we are being experimented with!

Posted by: Curmudgeon | March 2, 2006 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I DONT THINK BUSH IS STUPID AT ALL!!!1 People wake up! he knows where he puts his intelligence...ITS IN OIL.
The fact that he sat in his ranch only show the HE DOES'NT CARE about the little people who ironically put in office? or not? Thats another story.

Posted by: mariam | March 2, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse



Posted by: SHILOH | March 2, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Apparently they listened.

Posted by: Achenbach | March 2, 2006 12:08 PM | Report abuse

He didn't ask any questions. Not one. This is typical of "C" students who coast through life.

Posted by: Dan | March 2, 2006 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Safely resuming at a readable font. At first I thought it was the stronger glasses.

Posted by: SHILOH | March 2, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

BushisBunk: very perceptive. All this religion creates an unreal world which believers think more real than the world we know. It is very dangerous to have an evangelical president, along with a stupid and arrogant president.

Posted by: candide | March 2, 2006 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Bayou Self: To add to your point, it seems like Bush II intends to be a Great Delegator, much like Reagan. I think this is a proper attitude for a president to take. Appoint good people and let them do their jobs. Problem: It appears he either didn't hire good people, or his newly created Dept of Homeland Security just wasn't up to the challenge. Hence, delegation in this case resulted in catastrophic failure.

Fault of the President? Well, the buck stops with him, but it's more complicated than that.

Posted by: CowTown | March 2, 2006 12:10 PM | Report abuse

SCC on the whole post:

Joel writes:
He flew back to his ranch that Tuesday and left Wednesday for Washington, cutting short his summer vacation by two days.

My response:
I think that Bush was not so much leaving his Crawford ranch in anticipation of doing something about the aftermath of the hurricane but (first) rather to avoid the oppressive heat of the past August here in Texas/Crawford, as (secondly and far more importantly) well as to get out of the hot-spot lighting of the media firestorm generated by the fireball Cindy Sheehan.

I think Bush took the easiest and most convenient escape route (from Sheehan) as was humanly possible.

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Why are any amazed or even surprised at the non-action taken regarding Katrina, when everyone that needed to know was made aware that this storm was really big? I live in North Carolina, and I watched the Weather Channel the whole time because these folks had excitement in their voices, and mannerisms that could not be hid. They knew, and I believe with everything that is in me, that they made the President aware of the potential for great loss of life. But whose life are we talking about? We're talking about a group of people that America has time and time again rejected as human, and therefore not subject to the same care as themselves. Why would the leader of the free world, knowing that great danger is upon a region in your country, go riding a bike or even politicing for some war or program that you find much more important than the lives of those in that region? There can only be one explanation, and that is, do you care? Katrina, and the aftermath, will go down in history as one of the worst nightmares in this country, right along with slavery, and the continued practice of disowning the humanity of the African-American community in America.

Posted by: Cassandra S | March 2, 2006 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Listened? I think they were terrified by the onslaught of e-mails accusing the small font of banality, evil and obscenity.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I do marvel at how out of touch Bush really is. Is this what people in 2000 wanted to lead them? In 2004? Had Kerry had any courage, I mean political not battle courage, we would not have Bush to mislead us for another four years. He makes Nixon and LBJ seem like superior presidents. Can we really stand him for three more years? Is it safe? Perhaps some Islamic fanatic in India or Pakistan will take him out. I am sure Cheney hopes for this. We can take care of Cheney later.

Posted by: candide | March 2, 2006 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't know that this shows Bush-as-idiot as someone said. To me, what it reinforces is something I have thought about him since 2001. He is a man of middling intelligence and vision, relying on the wisdom of his trusted advisors (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc.). In the video, he's just stating what his advisors have told him--everything is under control, it's going to be bad but we can handle it, yada yada yada. This is further reinforced by his decision to continue business-as-usual, giving speeches on Medicare and gladhanding.

To say that all this shows is that Bush is an idiot would be to trivialize the situation. I'm not sure if he's an idiot, but I am sure he's not immoral (for all his flaws). This video confirms a situation much more dire. The circle of trust Bush has relied on to advise him--on everything from Iraq to Katrina--is either inept in their advice, or willfully misleading in information that they give to the President. Bush was confident that everything was under control, and I believe that despite his mistakes he does have a genuine concern for the safety of the American people, but the information that he is being fed by the people he trusts is bad. Obviously, this isn't a surprise, but I think the video really solidifies it--Bush is not in control.

Posted by: jw | March 2, 2006 12:13 PM | Report abuse

8- or 9-point font? I don't see much diff. Give me a 10 or bedduh...

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 12:13 PM | Report abuse

yellojkt wrote: "...I think the phrase "failure of imagination" is the defining metaphor for the Bush presidency."

But it was failure of recognizing reality that lead to the disaster. I think Bush's imagination was working quite well. In the video Bush says during the meeting:

"I want to assure the folks at the state level that we are fully prepared to not only help you during the storm, but we will move in whatever resources and assets we have at our disposal after the storm,"

But he asks no questions. Bush imagined that FEMA would handle the job. He must have been aware that the levees broke at about the time we all did, yet he jetted off west to speak and campaign for his other failure, Iraq. He imagined all was well in NOLA and at FEMA. Only when he flew over NOLA was he shocked.

There was no failure of imagination, there was too much imagination going on. His ability to imagine things when confronted with reality can explain a lot about his policies and actions, most noteably his ability to lie and distort facts with a straight face.

Posted by: Sully | March 2, 2006 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the return to font normalcy. BTW I see why this is called "Movable Type" -- see the post by DAN at 12:08. The duplicate word "Coast" was not typed by Dan, I'll betcha.

Posted by: nellie | March 2, 2006 12:15 PM | Report abuse

If we are having a Rovestorm™, Does the fact that Rove and Bush resemble a pair of animated rodents from a few years back.

I'm talking about Pinkie and The Brain. We know Rove is The Brain, but Pinkie is the non-sequitor-spouting clueless sidekick. I think there is no better comparison.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 2, 2006 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Even if he were in a bunker, couldn't he have asked a question? Just one? Or was he completely indifferent?

I'm no executive type, but if it were me, I'd want to know what I specifically could do to help, what the plan was for addressing potential problems over the next few days, how often I'd be briefed.

It's just appalling to me that he had nothing but what sounds like a pre-scripted throwaway line to say.

Posted by: nick | March 2, 2006 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Imagine Katrina heading toward Houston.

Posted by: Dave | March 2, 2006 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"Good lord, when does this guy's criminal incompetence become criminal enough to take action?"

Apparently, with Conservative majorities in Congress and on the Supreme Court -- Never.

And frankly, those of you trashing religion may have your say. I am certainly not one for censorship -- However, let me state for the record that Bush does not represent all Christians nor all Evangelicals. Furthermore, Christians don't have a monopoly on "creat(ing) an unreal world which believers think more real than the world we know." Lots of atheists and philosophers have done this, too.

It's all rather subjective, isn't it?

It seems somewhat disingenuous to decry someone else's form of solace and consolation whilst privately buoying one's own. If it makes you feel good to believe the way you do, then fine. Who am I to tell you your world view is the reason the world is what it is today? Yet that is the very mantle you hang on Christians.

And it is the very mantle that may very well be hung on you, too.

Instead of playing the blame game, how's about we all work together for the common good? Now, there's a novel concept!

Happy blogging!

Posted by: amo | March 2, 2006 12:26 PM | Report abuse

jw writes:
but the information that he is being fed by the people he trusts is bad.

jw, are we seeing the same video? The remarks by Oklahomian meteorologist and hurricane expert Max Mayfield couldn't be any more specific or precise.

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Dave writes:
Imagine Katrina heading toward Houston.

Rita headed toward directly toward Houston then veered in the last hours. What are you trying to say, Dave?

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I probably agree with your overall assessment, jw, but for one thing: several days after Katrina, Bush "lied" (not to strong a word, in my view) about what he was told beforehand. Yes, he trusted his people (and was misled by them--for the 427th time).

I think those of us you use the "idiot" word, Bush is "stupid," etc., are speaking somewhat metaphorically (and of course out of anger and outrage). I don't view it as a "failure of imagination," but rather as a failure to learn from previous mistakes and not correct them. Bush keeps making the same "kind" of mistakes over and over again--that's what is infuriating. The policy of never admitting mistakes, never apologizing, of course, is pure Rove, a deliberately conceived policy that they've actually discussed and verbalized. (That doesn't excuse it, and in fact just makes the rest of us even more crazed in our response to it.)

But it's one thing to be misled by one's advisors--that's happened over and over again (think Kennedy on the Bay of Pigs). But what is different--and in this case reprehensible--is the failure to learn and make adjustments (and also to acknowledge the obvious). And of course you are right--the man clearly isn't in control. And that's reprehensible, too.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | March 2, 2006 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Bush has lied to the American people and the tape is the smoking gun. The question is where we all go from here. Democrats will talk about it and republicans will try to change the subject. Will the news media pursue it or follow the Rove distraction that is sure to come. What type of America we live in will be shown by what happens next.

I actually feel sorry for those republicans who now feel let down. Democrats felt it when Clinton lied in the deposition. Its a sinking feeling and it hurts to know your support was betrayed.

But those republicans who ignore the evidence of Bush's latest lie should not remain in office. Their constitutients should start recall petitions. People who lie and justify lying to the American people do not deserve to serve the American people.

Posted by: Sully | March 2, 2006 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Loomis--I don't mean THOSE people. I mean the trusted few in his inner circle. The ones who are conspicuously absent (or at least off camera). I think that someone outside that circle could tell Bush his britches were on fire and he'd still wait for someone like Rove to tell him it's true.

Posted by: jw | March 2, 2006 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Like millions of other Americans, I remember coming home from a visit with a friend around 9 PM, Sunday night. The word was that it all looked like New Orleans had "dodged the bullet ..." meaning, New Orleans' delicate levees had held.
However, I woke around 1 or 2 AM, and saw, on CNN, that the levees had, in fact, broken. By 8:30 AM it was apparent that a massive breach had occured, and that the city was flooding. The dimensions of the disaster continued to escalate for two more days.
Funny: no one at the White House, or Crawford Ranch, saw the same stuff, and said: "Holy JEEESUS!" We need to alert the boss!!! And, once CNN latched onto the coverage, God bless 'em, they did NOT dodge their responsibility. The other networks shirked, jinked and jogged. CNN began to assemble a bigger and bigger coverage, so that by, say, 9 PM, MONDAY night, the problem was clearly VERY serious.
Bush, on the other hand, was headed for West Coast. I think he went out to a military base for his typical ... speech to the choir! **Note: Anyone who thinks just because the military give him resounding applause and adulation, that therefore, they know something we don't, about Iraq, is full of it. They are PAID TO FIGHT WARS! Why would they NOT be gung ho for war in Iraq?
The CNN Coverage got better. The key defining moment was when Chertoff & [maybe] Brown were speaking completely out their rectums, saying all was under control, and, first one, then two split screens appeared. Chertoff and [maybe] Brown on one; people at the Superdome; people wading to the Convention Center and the chaos at both.
CNN's crew began blistering the FEMA folks with hard, very hard, questions.
Kathleen Koch's trips along the Gulf Coast showed MASSIVE devastation, that had NOTHING whatsoever, to do with New Orleans's plight. Same for other locatins along the Gulf Coast. Aerial views of New Orleans showed MASSIVE flooding; thousands of people stranded; walking through deeper and deeper water; fires in NO; incomprehensible damage in other parishes of Louisiana and Mississippi.
Bush had to cut his vacation short.
Gosh, but the degree of devastation was such that I gotta wonder: where were the troops and massive aid Bush had spoken of BEFORE Katrina! Where was Bush's ranting, raving, shouting to his staff: Dammit! I SEE with my own eyes on TV the problems are huge! I want more done! Let me call these Governors! Let me tell them i am ready to engage the entire military, since the devastation seems HUGE!
Oh, I'm sorry: Bush doesn't read the papers, nor, apparently, does he bother to watch TV coverage. Even on a MASSIVE NATURAL DISASTER the likes of which we've NOT seen so far as natural disasters go, for years.
Perhaps, in fact, since Hurricane Andrew.
After all, he worked for his Dad then, and he knew first hand how his Daddy had handled THAT disaster.
Pretty much the same.
We DO know, however, that one of the first things he did was cancel Davis-Bacon, to ensure that his richest buddies wouldn't have to pay prevailing wages for any kind of government paid for rehab work.
This guy needs to be stuck with a pin when something big happens, and he has to respond.
He's asleep at the wheel.
I hope some of the millions of Republican voters in Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Lousisiana and Texas see these tapes, and decide right now, in local elections, to TROUNCE any lock step Republicans, or Democrats, who have essentially kissed Bush's butt on this and other issues.
Time for a complete purge of those kind of representatives.
It will be interesting to see if any of these Red Staters finally say: "I've had just about enough of this crew!"
If they do NOT purge these Bushistas ... then they're truly stupid, and deserve whatever they get. If they can't see the GOP lies, and could care less about those who make less than a quarter mil a year, they're stupid. Myopic.

Posted by: Jerry | March 2, 2006 12:37 PM | Report abuse

jw writes:
Loomis--I don't mean THOSE people. I mean the trusted few in his inner circle. The ones who are conspicuously absent (or at least off camera). I think that someone outside that circle could tell Bush his britches were on fire and he'd still wait for someone like Rove to tell him it's true.

jw, that's the saddest commentary of all. Bush won't trust his top science/weather/meterology advisor Max Mayfield, but has to wait for the technical data (It's a BIG ONE [hurricane]!!) to be filtered through politics and his media strategist.

Mudge summed it up best:
And of course you are right--the man clearly isn't in control. And that's reprehensible, too.

So, Bush's bum burns and the world waits.

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I dunno. I saw the video and the levee discussion was about the levees being "topped", not "breached" and even then the NWS guy said no one could convencingly state whether or not they would be "topped". So it doesn't seem to me that Bush was wrong when he said no one envisioned the levees being breached nor does it seem that the people conducting the briefing were doing more than making Bush aware of the situation and their concerns; I did not see them asking for guidance or direction from him or giving him something that called for action on his part.

Posted by: Stick | March 2, 2006 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Somerset Maughan sums up my observation of Bush as president: "Mediocre people are always at their best." The American people got what they asked for - and, in the words of Will Rogers "deserve to get it good and hard."

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Should I feel bad to think that the morally bankrupt, ethically-challenged, wife-hating and terrorist-abating President on Fox's "24" seems about 200 percent more in charge from his fake TV bunker than the actual, real-life president from his very real Texas bunker? I should feel icky about that thought... but nope. No icky. Just sad.

Posted by: Turbo | March 2, 2006 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Hal. (Think somebody should say that to him, sans snarkiness.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | March 2, 2006 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Way to go, Stick. That was a piece of Jesuitical rationalization of breathtaking scope. "Breached" and "topped" amount to the same thing. Jeeez.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | March 2, 2006 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm just heartsick to admit it, but Cassandra, you are absolutely right. Racism is alive and thriving in America. Did things really get any better for African Americans since the civil rights movement or has the racism just been more subtle? Well, it aint subtle no more. Katrina paid her unwelcome, but not unexpected, visit and laid it bare. God help us all.

Posted by: Nani | March 2, 2006 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Are you in a coastal area or in flyover land? Might want to review previous Achen Boodles about the time of Katrina, or read Erik Larson's "Isaac's Storm."

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree Curmudgeon. All Hail Hal the Schemer! Glorious Computer Mensch! He Who Holds the Boodle Upon His Broad Shoulders! All Blessings Upon You and Your Many Children! [prostrates self on ground]

Posted by: CowTown | March 2, 2006 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Breached and topped do not mean the same thing. Topped is a temporary condition that would last only as long as the storm surge until the water level fell below the top of the levee. Breaching occurs when the levee actually breaks, it could happen on any given day in NOLA and consequently the flooding would be more severe than in a topped condition.

Besides what would Bush have done that the others in charge couldn't already have done? Except order in the 82nd.

Posted by: Stick | March 2, 2006 12:59 PM | Report abuse

As a thought experiment, suppose Katrina had hit Houston, then Rita had hit New Orleans a bit later.

Do you think Bush and Secretary Chertoff would have gone to their scheduled engagements while Houston was panicking?

Had Houston been first, do you think they might have better sensed the scale of the calamity facing southeatern Louisiana and the Mississippi coast?

Posted by: Dave | March 2, 2006 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Bush has no business being president of the USA. It's too big a job for his qualifications and abilities. At best he should be in charge of some small-time tool and dye company.

Posted by: RJ | March 2, 2006 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Newsweek deconstructed the whole thing shortly after the hurricane. Part of that story included this:

The reality, say several aides who did not wish to be quoted because it might displease the president, did not really sink in until Thursday night. Some White House staffers were watching the evening news and thought the president needed to see the horrific reports coming out of New Orleans. Counselor Bartlett made up a DVD of the newscasts so Bush could see them in their entirety as he flew down to the Gulf Coast the next morning on Air Force One.

Posted by: Bayou Self | March 2, 2006 1:01 PM | Report abuse

In a weird sort of way, I can actually understand how Bush's political people (as opposed to Mayfield, et al.) would have told Bush, "We've got it under control, boss," given the environment they work in and have collectively created for themselves. To have stood up (as Chertoff should have done) and said, "Mr. President, we're in deep doo-doo and we are unprepared for what's about to happen" would be face certain annhilation in the cabinet. I hate to use any analogy to Hitler, but it's the same as the Wehrmacht people being afraid to tell Hitler the truth in the bunker about what was happening. It's the fault of Bush and his inner circle for creating an environment where nobody can (or has the testicles) to stand up to him. Whatever else he may have been, at least John Dean gave Nixon the "cancer on the presidency" speech.

ANd I think Sully just made an interesting point. I wonder how the disillusioned Repubs are going to deal with this. (How the Dems deal with it is a given, and to some extent irrelevant.) And what's REALLY problematic is we have three more years, more or less. I see Bush's approval rating dropping into the mid 20s, and wonder how he can ever dig himself out. Hang on to your hats; it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | March 2, 2006 1:05 PM | Report abuse

>Instead of playing the blame game, how's about we all work together for the common good? Now, there's a novel concept!

amo, yes, but a concept pretty much missed by this administration. Look how they had to pull teeth to get him to admit non-believers might actually be moral too.

It wouldn't be much of an issue if Mr. Bush hadn't worn his religion on his sleeve, pants leg, sewed across his back, on his vest and in the lining of his jacket, and had pulpits everywhere providing voting guidance and turn-out.

It's fine to have faith and believe Providence will make it all turn out for the best (as Barbra Bush's "hey they never had it so good" comment) but it's not a substitute for a rational plan.

I want miracles too, but it doesn't seem wise to count on them.

For the 60 or 70 million people in the country who are not on the same page, it's scary to think he may really believe he was appointed by God instead of the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Error Flynn | March 2, 2006 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Stick, breached and topped DO mean the same thing, for all practical purposes: it means NO was going to be massively flooded. And once a levee has been "topped," it ought to be pretty ovbious that the topping would pretty quickly lead to breaching as well.

What are you thinking? That a levee could be "topped" by a Cat 5 (when by all accounts it was only designed to withstand a Cat 3) and NOT be severely damaged? OK, Stick. You keep rockin' yourself to sleep with that fairy tale.

And yes, he could have sent in the 82nd. And mobilized every military unit in 12 states. And flown immediately to Washington instead of diddling around out west. And shown some leadership, and some balls. And some curiosity. And some concern. And if you give me a minute, there are about a hundred other things I can probably think of he could have done.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | March 2, 2006 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Maybe President Bush had a point to prove:
Government is not the solution, but the problem and, in case of emergency people should look to private industry and Christian charities to help them out.

Posted by: cymbiola | March 2, 2006 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I've been flipping around to various on-line newspapers and this story is quickly leaving the front pages. Its still in NY and DC papers but in most others its being replaced by Bush's "historic" India trip.

Maybe,like a failing student, a grade of D from Bush is just expected as are his lies and obvious detachment from reality. Just imagine if any of this happened while Clinton was president. We expected straight A's from him and held him to it.

Posted by: Sully | March 2, 2006 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could give a view, opinion, or fact that would expand on what is here. The best and brightest come here so what I offer pales in comparison.

What troubles me is that we have become so Balkanized in opinions and attitudes. And I remember a friend in AA said ‘Opinions are like rectums everyone has one and most of them stink.’ Fifty plus years from now when your grandchildren are suffering (read dying) under horrific climate changes who will pull the tapes of this and other administrations denying global warming exists. And we all sit here and argue.

What is the tipping point for our anger? Are we angry yet? Do we start lighting ourselves on fire in front of the White house like monks in Viet Nam? Take SDS and make it GDS (geriatrics for a democratic society)and take to the street in walkers? We have been defeated broken manipulated spun and soon extinct.

Posted by: Marko | March 2, 2006 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, he could have done all that but I don't see any of it, except the 82nd, making a dimes worth of difference on the ground.

Posted by: Stick | March 2, 2006 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, he could have done all that but I don't see any of it, except the 82nd, making a dimes worth of difference on the ground.

Posted by: Stick | March 2, 2006 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, he could have done all that but I don't see any of it, except the 82nd, making a dimes worth of difference on the ground.

Posted by: Stick | March 2, 2006 1:27 PM | Report abuse

And topped and breached will mean the same thing when moderate and severe do as well.

Posted by: Stick | March 2, 2006 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Today is the birthday of Bedrich Smetana, 19th century Czech composer most famous for his orchestral piece Ma Vlast. If you've ever seen David Lean's Doctor Zhivago, you've heard Smetana, as many of his melodies are incorporated into the score of the film.

So, happy birthday B.S.! Bedrich is 182 today, and I feel only slightly younger.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | March 2, 2006 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Like Bush, Silent Cal had a somewhat outspoken Veep, Charles Dawes, q.v., who may have explained Bush's initial silence on Katrina when he said: "Mediocrity requires aloofness to preserve its dignity."

Dawes, K-guy,was also a composer.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 1:53 PM | Report abuse

If anyone wants to read the entire transcript of the meeting in the video you can find it at Fox News of all places:,2933,186553,00.html

One thing is clear after reading it: Everyone was worried about the storm, no one was worried about the levees breaking but certainly being topped, and most were worried that people had not begun evacuations. Loss of life was expected to be high. Bush's apearance seemed to be a pep talk and I doubt he stayed for the whole meeting.

Stick is being a stickler for the words topped and breached, and it can be argued. What I think he is ignoring is that there were two disasters from this storm. The hurricane damage and the levee breaches. The first was prepared for but the second was not.

What cannot be excused is that once the breach of the levees was known, the Bush administration did not ring the same alarm bell it rang after the second plane hit the trade center. I remember watching the news in the morning and a shiver went down my spine when the first reports came in about breaks in the levees. I knew NO was a city below sea level and the water there was already high after the hurricane. When I saw the first video of the water pouring through a levee my heart sank, NO was doomed.

I would just like to know why a shiver did not go down Bush's spine, or his advisor's hearts did not sink when they saw the devestation. It wasn't until Thursday, four days later that they rang the bell. Maybe the answer is they have no spines or hearts.

Posted by: Sully | March 2, 2006 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, K-Guy, for the remembrance. The Moldau is one of the finest songs to come from the Romantic Period. Boodlers, if you haven't heard at least the Modau (named for a river that runs through the Czech Republic), you haven't lived.

Posted by: CowTown | March 2, 2006 1:55 PM | Report abuse

This is just a replay of 911. Bush was warned by Clinton. He did nothing. Disaster struck. Bush was warned by Brown. He did nothing. Disaster struck.

And you know what? Each time it profits Dick Cheney's firm Halliburton with huge contracts. And each time it is used to justify more militarization of the country, from snooping and torture to fed control of state and local resources (as Bush demanded of La. governor).

Wake up, people. This is INTENTIONAL neglect. It profits Dick. And it servers his mission. You've got a C student president and a college dropout Veep and they are steering a course to their own profit -- and our ruin.

Posted by: impeachtheimpalready | March 2, 2006 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Some of us, Cur, might take umbrage with the characterization "Jesutical rationalization," And some of us may understand it too well.

Posted by: Robert Bellarmine | March 2, 2006 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Joel and Hal for the larger font. Thank you kurosawaguy for the relief provided by your off topic The music in DZ is indeed enchanting.

Posted by: Nani | March 2, 2006 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey! I worked in some Led Zeppelin!

Posted by: Bayou Self | March 2, 2006 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Sully for your comments on the topped/breached argument.

What doesn't seem to be understood by Stick that his "topping" of the levee won't be a single splash. Given the storm, wind and water, the topping will be continual. What's more, to have the water go down the back side of the levee will obviously result in erosion - quickly. And as the water washes away the back surface of the levee, continually weakening it, guess what will result?

Given the circumstances, and knowing that the wind would be driving that water into the levees for hours, I doubt if anyone with any knowledge wouldn't think that the levees were in serious danger of failure. And given New Orleans' elevation, all it takes is one breach to flood the city.

Posted by: mcfflyer | March 2, 2006 2:03 PM | Report abuse

We've got a lot of sensible commentary and the one obligatory, desparately nonsensical defense of His Bush-ness (courtesy of, Stick - tell him what he's won, Ed). To answer Stick, hopefully once and for all: You're right, the tape in itself is nothing. The tape in conjunction with Bush's non-reaction to real events and subsequent lies ("Nobody forsaw...") is a great big honking deal. It's time to face facts, Stick. Your president is incompetent, careless, and not in control of his administration.

Now that's out of the way, any word on how this news is playing in the country at large? Any reactions from other politicians? How are the other news organizations, even Fox, playing this? I wonder if there is a chance that this tape could be the proverbial straw, or if it will join all of Bush's other failures in the great stew of idiocy Bush has been cooking up from day one. Too many of us have gotten used to the taste, and that may cause this new ingredient to go unnoticed. Wow, that's a terrible metaphor.

Posted by: james | March 2, 2006 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Some in this country blame the folks in New Orleans for the situation that they faced in the aftermath of Katrina, and it sounds like we might have one or two here that agree with that premise. Living in North Carolina, I've been trying for the past two years to get funding to update our community center so that it meets the guidelines for an emergency shelter, and have had no luck in securing that funding. Many of the people in my neighborhood are old and disable, and in case of an emergency they would be left to fend for themselves. Katrina just showed us what we need to do, and if we make up our minds to do that, working together, it really shouldn't be a big problem. Starting in our own communities would be a big step in the right direction.

Posted by: Cassandra S | March 2, 2006 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Bush is also an illustration of the saying, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

Darn! I meant to give up Bush-bashing for Lent!

Posted by: kbertocci | March 2, 2006 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I meant no insult to the Jesuits, Robert. As far as I'm aware the phrase or concept of the abilities of Jesuits to reason fine points is well known. "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin," etc. It wasn't intended as a religious slur; a lay comparison would be Clinton's "That depends on the meaning of 'is.'"

As for rationalization, that stands alone, I would think. Together, they imply (to me anyway) that Stick is just trying to find ways of apologizing for Bush things that are un-apologizable (if that's even a word).

Posted by: Curmudgeon | March 2, 2006 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon, I would have gone with Talmudical. Same connotations.

Posted by: Tim | March 2, 2006 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Topped, breached, whatever... the fact is, Bush used that language to excuse the fact that not enough (by far!) was done. So in effect he was saying, nobody had any idea it would be bad. Which is of course, FALSE. Get over the language game!

And also - I get impatient with the whole focus on Bush and his supposed intellect and whether "his people" told him enough - IT DOESN'T MATTER. He did not get the job done, period. Where I work, it is NOT a good enough explanation to say, oh I guess the guy I told to do the job didn't do it right. It is MY responsibility to make sure he does. It is MY rear end on the line if things go wrong (as well as the guy who reports to me, but it is my responsibility to deal with him too). He is just not responsible, competent leader. Who cares about his personality or IQ, arguing about them is just losing sight of the important thing which is the result - people died who didn't need to.

I was heartbroken, shaken and ashamed when people were screaming to be rescued and weren't for days. What a terrible failure for all of us.

Posted by: cass | March 2, 2006 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Boodleskimming and see that Smetana's Moldau is mentioned. That piece of classical music is one of my fav's, absolute fav's. You can feel the story of the river in the piece. Grand Canyon Suites also gives me that feel of being in-place.

Sorry, k-guy, I didn't pay bigger tribute to Mozart on his BD. Did see his birthplace in Salzburg when there as a Studentin.

Of course, we saw the DVD Rent last night. Had to forego the last 40 minutes because all four DVDs were due back by 11 p.m. Will rerent Rent, but now MUST go purchase CD. Thanks DeNiro!

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Jesuitical raciocination is probably a better choice of phrase, but not necessarily in the instance of use. "Jesu, joy of man's desiring," does not always fit into Jesutical rationalization. And hell, nobody should be offended. I'm certainly not.

Posted by: Robert Bellarmine | March 2, 2006 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Dave's comment is alluding that Bush might have taken a hit on Houston more seriously. Throughout his life he was frequently in Houston, owned business property here, some of his power base (eg Enron, Halliburton) is centered here or nearby and a catastrophe here would probably seem more, well, real to Bush.

As for the suggestion that we should look to private industries and Christian charities to bail us out - you are joking, of course. I can appreciate hiring Wal-Mart to do some of the work, but as for some of these "charities", well - some of them cannot be trusted to fairly distribute help. Private industries are driven by private interests, not public good. Cymbiola, if you weren't joking, maybe you might want to look closely at the "helpful" work Halliburton and KBR's done in Iraq, even as they and AAFES gouge our servicepeople - making a whopping profit on cheap meals and overpriced exchange goods.

Some of the charities "aiding" after the tsunami had less interest in helping their fellow humans rebuild than in converting them from Islam to their brand of Christianity. And I do mean "brand". It's a commodity, and an affront to many of us who believe.

Back in the Depression, if you needed a meal there were a lot of places that wouldn't feed you unless you listened to their sermon and prayed with them first. My dad was Lutheran, but used to go to the local Catholic parish - bottom line, he was hungry.

But this gets even more sticky today. I was an evacuee during Rita. I met a few a**holes in W. Texas deciding who was and wasn't "worthy" of their help. Some of these same people in rural areas were overlooked by FEMA and the Red Cross, because they were harder to reach than the two bigger cities of Port Arthur and Beaumont.

Post-Katrina, a gay evacuee - a transgendered person named Sharli’e Dominque, going male to female - was treated poorly while staying at Texas A & M's arena. She had not completed the surgery and had gotten permission to take a shower in the women's side. (For the obvious reason that she would be at greater risk of sexual assault or a beating on the male side.) A woman complained, and Dominque was jailed on "criminal trespassing" for five days.

Some of these Pharisee-ridden so-called "faith-based" organizations would not have let Dominque in the door, evacuee or not. Of course, this means they missed the most important of Jesus' lessons, but that hasn't stopped them before.

Posted by: wearing of the pink and green | March 2, 2006 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Tim, I had "Talmudic" in mind but decided it might be a bit obscure for some, whereas the Clinton thing was also well known. I'd have gone whole-hog for "arguing Talmudic pilpul," which would require even more explanation.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | March 2, 2006 2:26 PM | Report abuse

IT, (i)(t), and i.t., is what matters in issues like Katrina - and how it is used. It is It, as is is. Zen thinking.

Posted by: Robert Bellarmine | March 2, 2006 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Dave writes/asks:
As a thought experiment, suppose Katrina had hit Houston, then Rita had hit New Orleans a bit later.

Do you think Bush and Secretary Chertoff would have gone to their scheduled engagements while Houston was panicking?

Had Houston been first, do you think they might have better sensed the scale of the calamity facing southeatern Louisiana and the Mississippi coast?

Dave, do you have any idea who lives in Houston? Bush 41. The Bush response would have been vastly different--if, as you gamely suggest, Rita had been first and hit Houston rather than New Orleans--as much different as if the Cat 5 had been heading toward Greenwich, Conn.

As it was, Rita response in Texas was also bungled (see Achen Boodles--which now are serving as part historical record); luckily, Rita veered east into the piney woods east of Houston. What could have been worse, wasn't--thanks to an act of fate or providence. Rita was bad enough as it was--on the rural areas it hit.

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 2:31 PM | Report abuse

What you insufferable liberals fail to recognize is that prior to hurricane Katrina, the federal government was fully aware that the City of New Orleans was experiencing a catastrophic mud shortage. Because of years of buttressing against both storm surges and river swelling, the river delta upon which New Orleans dwells was slowly sinking because of a severe deficit of silt and mud. The Bush Administration, in its Wisdom and Benevolence realized that New Orleans would only be saved if nature were allowed to take its course. As a result, millions of tons of precious mud was distributed throughout the river delta, for the betterment of all New Orleaneans. But does our Glorious Leader receive one note of thanks from liberals? Of course not, if liberals had their way, all of our cities would sink below sea level and would become easy targets for terrorists in control of tidal forces! Think about it!

Posted by: RedCow | March 2, 2006 2:34 PM | Report abuse

It did feel like a huge lack of leadership in regards to Katrina. It was awful looking at the people on rooftops begging for help, and none in sight. And the picture of those old people in wheelchairs at that Astrodome will forever be in my mind. We can talk about this all day and half of the night, but really, and I believe most of us know this even if we don't speak it, something needs to be done. I don't believe this is something that should be swept under the rug, because I truly believe it will come back to haunt us, and we more than likely won't like it in whatever forms it shows up in later.

Posted by: Cassandra S | March 2, 2006 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I think Dharma combat more fitting than Talmudic pilpul or Jesuit ratiocination to the debate at hand.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I didn't type ratiocination twice. The invisible hand is at work.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 2:45 PM | Report abuse

For goodness sake, cut the President some slack.

He's just having an off year or off term.

If you can't stand the lying, you weren't brought up in this country. Democracy is on the march.

Posted by: Vinny Barbarosa | March 2, 2006 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Great I get swamped and work making it very dificult to keep up with K&B much less (or is that more) post something that's actually meaningful and Kit worthy and Joel copies a whole bunch of Boodles to the previous kit. Happens everytime, dang.

Anyhow, to get back on topic: Here's what Gene Weingarten has to say about Bush (it from his caht on 9/13 ( ),which I could not agree with more):

Gene Weingarten: I don't think our president is stupid.

I think our president is simple. A simpleton.

One faceted. One message. Not confused by nuance. Retreats behind bromides. He is Galileo's Simplicio.

Posted by: omni | March 2, 2006 2:49 PM | Report abuse

SCCs: first and is at
caht is chat

At least I didn't garble the quote.

Posted by: omni | March 2, 2006 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to thank Hal, and Joel, for the larger type. It is so much better.

As to Katrina, I am an African-American, and to tell you the truth, Katrina is a sadness that just does not go away. I am a Christian, professing Christian, and trying to live as a Christian, so I can't hate or not love even those that hurt me. I have to tell you though, it hurts and it takes the very air that one breathes, because it cuts like a knife, and I'd be lying if I said different. Yet I still believe in this country, I believe that we can do better as to how we treat each other, and how we respond to the needs of our neighbors. Thank you, Joel for allowing me to express my feelings, and thank you everyone for your patience with me in expressing those feelings. Got to go help some kids read. I love you all, and may God bless each and every heart through His Son, Jesus.

Posted by: Cassandra S | March 2, 2006 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I am trying to post the comment I made on August 30 at 9:15 p.m. to the Boodle, but am having trouble posting it. Why?

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Speaking in my science role: I assumed the levees would fail. Why?

(1) A levee failure was the clear worst-case scenario. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Only a fool would not game out the probable outcomes of levee failure, and plan accordingly.

(2) Moreover, I believed the levees would fail. There was no question that the storm surge would come close to exceeding the levee capacity. My informal familiarity with human engineering tells me that few engineered systems are able to operate effectively at the edge of their design capacity.

(3) The whole system is doomed by a single-point failure. There is no way you can credibly assure that EVERY SINGLE METER (let's be metric) of that system is up to design strength.

(4) Even if every part of the system were up to the task, there would still be portions that would be stronger than others. In dealing with a fluid like water, the strong portions would hold up better than the weak ones, while the weaker portions would sag a little. Every bit of sag acts to increase the forces applied to the weaker sections. If the system could all sag together equally, it would resist better than a system with just a few saggy parts. There are clearly joints between levee sections. A slight crease between two sections would start the process of failure. The system is like an egg. An egg is immensely strong against lengthwise compression, but as soon as the egg;'s shell fails even a little bit, the whole thing collapses.

We can calculate an estimated probability for failure. The pictures showed that levee sections seem to be about 10 yards long. Google gives me 125 miles of levees protecting NO -- let's assume 50% longer since most levees will be double-sided, but not all. That's 187.5 miles. That means 33,000 levee sections. Assign each section a vanishingly small probability of failure under a Katrina-like onslaught -- say, a probability of 1 in 10,000. Actually, you need to calculate the probability that every single section will hold, which is 0.9999 to the 33,000th = 3.7%. There was thus a roughly 96.3% probability that at least one levee section would fail. If any individual levee section fails, the whole system fails. Heck, even if I'm really generous and give a 1 in 100,000 chance of failure to each segment, I find a probability of 71.9% for the whole system to hold, which means a probability of 28.1% that at least one segment of the levee will fail. I would not bet a single person's life on a 28% chance of failure. Would you bet yours?

What NO needs, if it is to be rebuilt, are two things:

(1) to build as much as possible somewhere else -- somewhere that is above sea level, or at least not so far below. You shouldn't have to go very far. This also provides an excellent opportuntiy to build a model mass-transit system to tie the whole city together for the benefit of its poorest and least-mobile citizens, since you are putting together a city of several hundred-thousand essentially from scratch.

(2) Even more levees. A double-walled system at the very least, so that a failure of the first layer doesn't doom the city. Even better would be to build a network of cells, so that the flooding of one cell doesn't flood the whole city. You either need to build elevated roadways to cross the cell boundaries, or you need a system of moveable barricades that can be moved into place to impede the flow of water.

Posted by: ScienceTim | March 2, 2006 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Happy Smetana day! The recording to have is:

Conductor: Rafael Kubelik
Orchestra: Orchestr Ceská Filharmonie
Label: Supraphon
Catalog Number: 1208
Audio CD (November 1, 1998), performance was 12 May, 1990.

Kubelik returned from exile and the Czech Philharmonic welcomed him back. Even better, the whole thing somehow fits on a single CD.

Posted by: Dave | March 2, 2006 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Can we know take all of the vilification that was directed toward "heck of a job Brownie" and place it where it belongs - on Bush. Brown appears to be the only one who took his job seriously (perhaps he was in over his head but he appreciated the gracity of the stituation that was faced) -Bush on the other hand deserves to be impeached for this, and the lies he told about this, and the countless other lies he has told that have endangered the America people. The republican comeuppance for placing PR and spin before competence and blind unreasoned faith before reason looks to be closer and closer - I pray in November.

Posted by: JDS | March 2, 2006 3:05 PM | Report abuse

did someone say quail?

Lawyer Harry, he was wary going on a big safari
Knowing Cheney’s reputation as the mascot of the nation

The Veep’s depressed, sobbed Harry, they’ve been calling him a fascist
Since he hates sackcloth and ashes let us plan some drunken bashes

But Harry made the big mistake of swiping Dick’s baloney
Cheney spun and gunned him down and Harry sued for alimony

Cheney staggered back to town. It’s said his eyes were kind of starry
What’s past is past. I had a blast. No need to say you’re sorry

Well Harry got a tad upset as he commenced to bleed
Said Karen, I shall feed the press details with all speed

That Harry copped an attitude and snapped let’s start the bidding
You’d better show some gratitude. This tort says I’m not kidding

Dirty Harry went to court a ridin’ on a guerney
Stuck a feather in his cap and grinned like an attorney

Ten reporters went to town investigating Quailgate
Procrastinate’s our strategy, said Karl. That coot will litigate

Said Dubya, Where’s a royalist when you really need him?
True Patriots don’t bat an eye when I desire to bleed ‘em.

Fear not, said Dick, as for the press, I swear that I can read ‘em
Reporters are quite loyal if you guarantee to feed ‘em

Great, said Karl, it’s nice to count upon such ardent loyalists
You can go ahead and plan your party knowing they won’t spoil it

I’m out of buckshot but let’s roll, said Dick, and grab a cartridge
And don’t forget the beer - we’re gonna rustle up some partridge

Ditch Harry, he’s a fuddy-duddy. Find me a new huntin’ buddy
No problem, on a private ranch just skip the stamp and set up camp

Round up Wilson, corner Paul, and where’s that Moriarty?
They should be enthralled to join my pigeon huntin’ party

Gonzales will be mucho pissed that he did not get on the list
Legalities be damned - I’m off to bag the one I missed

Hurry now, don’t dally over benefits for Tom and Sally
Let Halliburton estimate. Tell Jack that we will pay his rate

Call Fitz and tell him he can’t meet me
Have a donor there to greet me

How sweet, said Fitz, I do regret that I cannot oblige
But I will send my deputize post haste to read your rights

X you, Dick hissed, don’t push your luck and don’t you dare get fresh
Don’t agitate, don’t be a pest or buddy, you’ll be next

Well Fitz just grinned from ear to ear and promised to be nice
You may be a moving target but you’re squarely in my sights

It’s your party--you’re the bride and I am just John Wayne
You can run but you can’t hide. Go on Dick: make my day

I’m ecstatic to relate you’re gonna need a good Kachina
Said Fitz, although it’s mighty late, here is your subpoena

Posted by: Cheesehead | March 2, 2006 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm listening to Lizst's Paraphrase on Rigoletto, no Smetana, so far, today for my local NPR station. Curiously, we have a Smetana family here is this little town of only 130 souls. I wonder if they're celebrating - hell, I wonder if they know.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Red Cow, are you suggesting what I think you are suggesting? That allowing all that mud to infiltrate NOLA was the administration's way of a "dry run" for when the icecap melts and the oceans seep into dozens of coastal cities?

*smacks forehead* Of course! They aren't ignoring global warming at all! They're just field-testing it! Brillint, brilliant, brilliant.

I feel so ashamed for totally misunderstanding them. I apologize to one and all. It's all clear as a bell now. *veil lifts from eyes*

Posted by: Curmudgeon | March 2, 2006 3:14 PM | Report abuse

LindaLoo, what is going wrong when you try to post it. Question mark.

Posted by: Achenbach | March 2, 2006 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Red Cow and Cur have discovered the work of the invisible hand in global warming. The invisible (or third) hand is the I.T. equivalent of Shiva's third eye.

From an Adam Smith perspective, this invisible hand field test promises to be a future budget buster and windfall cum flood of profit for certain corporations in the next phase of global warming. It was only a matter of time before the concept "there's money in this" took hold.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Sock it to me, ScienceTim!

JDS mentioned that the Brownie-bashing, in retrospect, looks misplaced. I've seen several comments around the web to the same effect, and I agree too. Not that Brownie the right man to head FEMA, but it seems he at least tried to sound the alarm. On the other hand, if he had had any guts, he would have told Congress the truth when he had the chance. He still wants his in with administration (and his consulting job at FEMA) so he played it safe. He deserves bashing for that.

Some time ago there were stories about how Bush's people are afraid to tell him things he doesn't want to hear becuase he has a habit of either not hearing, expoloding in rage, or both. There were a lot of (anonymous, unfortunately) quotes from WH staff to back this up, and many put this as the reason Bush took so long to catch on to the destruction of NO. That's still Bush's fault, since he created that environment in his office.

Posted by: james | March 2, 2006 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I tried to copy over about half of my Aug. 30 post to the current Boodle. After I hit the Submit button, I received the following message, below the asterisks.

I can't figure out why? So, Joel, I guess I'm waiting for your approval? *L*

Your comment has been received and held for approval by the blog owner.
Return to the original entry

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Joel, who is Mark and why should LindaLoo question him?

Posted by: kurosawaguy | March 2, 2006 3:28 PM | Report abuse

does any one else see the same pattern I'm seeing in the number of Kits this week:

1 on Monday
2 on Tuesday
3 on Wednesday
3 so far today (can we expect another???)

Posted by: omni | March 2, 2006 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Joel's invisible hand is doing stuff on its own, without Joel's knowledge.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I think we should take up a collection and hire a hooker to perform oral sex on the President. Maybe THEN he'll get impeached.

Posted by: Lugosi | March 2, 2006 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I can see!

Bless you Hal et al.

As for the rest, among all the words, how come there is so little news about who is doing the clean up. Where are these people. Maybe its time to put the politicos to real work, physically moving debris. I'd be happy to send any number of politicians from here to assist.

Posted by: dr | March 2, 2006 3:54 PM | Report abuse

on a lighter note - aren't we overlooking just a tad bit - yes, it's taking them too long to rebuild but look at how far they've come so far (ok, not everywhere but in some places...) they even had mardi gras! i know it's still a huge tragedy but it also shows the reciliance of the human spirit to clean up and go on... (scc any misspellings - i still have a bad code)

Posted by: mo | March 2, 2006 4:12 PM | Report abuse

oh, and how come the font still looks tiny to me? is it the code medicine?

Posted by: mo | March 2, 2006 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about your cold, mo. You bring up an interesting point. Yes, there certainly seems some amazing rebirth of NOLA, but what really hit home to me was the article in the paper a day or two ago about the entire Afr-Am middle class neighborhood that has scattered. Doctors, dentists, lawyers -- the sort of people who are the backbone (and tax base!) of a thriving municipality. Their homes are destroyed and they may never come back. It's sad, because I'm afraid that people will see the Mardi Gras celebration in the largely-undamaged French Quarter and forget about the hardships still being endured by the rest of the city.

(And, yeah, I agree, I think the font still looks kind of small. Not as tiny as before, but not back to normal size, either. So, Hal, don't think you've pulled the wool over our eyes; we're onto you, whatever evil game it is you're playing.)

Posted by: Snarky Squirrel | March 2, 2006 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Hi, mo.

Not sure what you're seeing, but the font I'm seeing is an improvement over the past coupla daze.

Maybe you need to dump your browser cache and reload, ma'am?


Posted by: bc | March 2, 2006 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Which is worse, being stupid, incompetent, or being led around by your father's advisors? I tend to think our illustrious president is a combination of all of the above. Not the brightest of men, being spoon-fed by career politicians who have their own selfish ambition. Great for our country, when the lead man has no control over his cabinet.
oh, one more thing. Bush should by no means be the standard by which to judge all Christians, nor all Evangelicals.

Posted by: tangent | March 2, 2006 4:35 PM | Report abuse

As someone who lived on the Gulf Coast most of her life, I only have one thing to say to all of this: If the President of the United States knew this could happen and did nothing, may God have mercy on his soul.

Posted by: bamagirlinVA | March 2, 2006 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, Clinton was impeached not for the sex, but for lying about it. That's what all those righteous Republicans said. Bush has lied, by comission or omission, about WMDs, Iraq, wiretapping, Katrina...

When will all those righteous men and women in Congress stand up and impeach Bush?

What's that? When Hell freezes over?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Posted by: wiccan | March 2, 2006 4:40 PM | Report abuse


Thanks, Hal! I can read my favorite boodlers again! Blessed Be!

Posted by: wiccan | March 2, 2006 4:42 PM | Report abuse

ok - font is a smidge bigger - and snark, i completely agree with you - much like DC that would be in the dumps if we lost our large African American base (the only saving DC would be the government) but everything i read about NO is that there is so much history and such a big family base that many ppl ARE going to go back regardless... and also i don't think that anyone can disagree that without the af. american culture, et al, NO just wouldn't be even slightly NO - the af american culture is so enured in the soul and blood of NO...

Posted by: mo | March 2, 2006 5:01 PM | Report abuse

(just trying to pull off a little "half glass full" thing here - i mean it WAS a natural disaster... contrary to 'mudge's conspiracy "mud" theory - sha! mud indeed!)

Posted by: mo | March 2, 2006 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I can read the boodle again! Yay! Many thanks Hal and Joel!!
Dave is right about the Smetana recording of Ma Vlast. If you can get a recording of a Czech orchestra and conductor playing his music, you should be in good shape. They have heard this music all their lives and know the rhythms and themes well. Smetana tried to make nationalistic music and the performances of Czech orchestras generally prove that he was successful.

I heard on the radio this morning that his life was quite sad. Three of his four daughters died within two years. His wife died at a young age a few years later. Then he both went deaf and developed tinnitus (I didn't realize you could do both), finally going mad and died in an insane asylum. Very sad.

Posted by: pj | March 2, 2006 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Between 4:30 and 5:00 I hit Refresh and the font size increased dramatically. My stock of Tylenol will not be depleted as quickly as I had previously anticipated.

This is just another Scheme. Take something away from people and they will be grateful just to get it back and will forget about their other requests. Permalinks have not been restored. And we still do not have a preview function, HTML style formatting or inline HTML links.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 2, 2006 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"Mud Theory" is not that far fetched. Among the pre-Bush EPA funded studies of how coastal communities, especially barrier island communities, can deal with rising tides and storm impacts, is a serious recommendation for raising island mean sea level (msl) elevation by pumping benthic silt (mud from the bottom) on the seaward side to the landward side of the island(s). A New Jersey barrier island community was the study site, but other studies showed the potential impact on all coastal communities, including preliminary maps. A more comprehensive mapping project was also started under the Clinton Administration, defunded by the present administration, and just last year was renewed.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Invisible (third) hand, again. I did not type "studies" twice.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Smetana had tinnitus, pj? Seriously?

My husband has had tinnitus ever since I've met him (a result of noise trauma) and is always cheerful, as does a friend of mine in D.C. who plays the violin, beautifully, and for him it is such a tragedy. In fact, violininst friend at one time was playing Smetana in a string quartet shortly after the ringing in his ears became pretty severe.

I hope you feel better with your code. It is a very nasty virus and can fell one for DAYS!!!. I hope you Boodle only if it makes you feel better.

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 5:21 PM | Report abuse

hey cheese, *holds nose*

hey W, same to you

Posted by: bbking | March 2, 2006 5:21 PM | Report abuse

>Bush should by no means be the standard by which to judge all Christians, nor all Evangelicals.

Yes, but that's who made him President.

Posted by: Error Flynn | March 2, 2006 5:23 PM | Report abuse

thank you, thank you very much

Posted by: ch | March 2, 2006 5:23 PM | Report abuse

K-guy, I've been questioning both Mark and Joel about problem posted at 2:54 p.m. and still no answer or solution yet.

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 5:23 PM | Report abuse

hogwash. cult.

Posted by: bbking | March 2, 2006 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Every fourth year, the National Association of Realtros holds its annual convention (something like 5,000 people, IIRC) in NOLA. After the hurricane the leadership thought long and hard about whether to go back this coming November, or find an alternate location if NOLA wasn't ready. They decided to go ahead, in order to support and show solidarity with NOLA--that's all well and good. But I'm hearing that some rank-and-file realtors who would otherwise go are deciding to pass up this year, on the theory that the town won't be rebuilt enough to entertain them all. That would be a shame. And of course the more news there is about the lack of recovery, the more discouraged future tourists will be.

(My wife's a realtor, and we went three years ago, had a terrific time. But most of the places I liked are pretty much gone. The one place that survived best and which Mardi Gras seems to be promoting--the Bourbon Street area--was the part I least liked and was most disappointed in--just a couple blocks of bars and strip clubs. Sad to say, I'm one of those who are hesitant to go back, though I guess I have until August or September to make up my mind.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | March 2, 2006 5:24 PM | Report abuse

scc: Realtors

Posted by: Curmudgeon | March 2, 2006 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Random acts of kindness.

Posted by: lotus | March 2, 2006 5:28 PM | Report abuse

size 13 boot

Posted by: Nachomama | March 2, 2006 5:28 PM | Report abuse


Not to violate the SCC rules, but I think you mean Realtor®. We would hate to violate any intellectual property rules.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 2, 2006 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I just can't find anything really funny about this topic. We're in trouble and I often worry that while yakking away here I am failing in my duty as a citizen. What other useful, productive, proactive, etc etc adnauseum activity could I be indulging in?

Posted by: ch | March 2, 2006 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Go home and feed your cat, cheese.

Posted by: bbking | March 2, 2006 5:35 PM | Report abuse

OK, I don't really want to harp on the font thing, but come on.... this is no real improvement. Yes, it's a tiny bit bigger, but the underlying problem is that it is not set as a relative size.

I can go into my preferences and change my "minimum font size." that makes every word bigger EXCEPT for the Kit and the Boodle. The "Posted by:..." is bigger, the links on the page--everything else, but the words I want to see.

The only way it works is if I tell my browser (Firefox Mac) to ignore pages' setting and use mine and that just makes every other page look just plain ridiculous.

If the powers that be think that this tiny type (and YES, it is STILL tiny) is so readable then why isn't the whole damn site done in this size?

Again, the main question is: WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF NOT INCREASING THE TYPE SIZE? Did I miss Hal's answer to that somewhere?

Rant over. Thanks.

Posted by: TBG | March 2, 2006 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Of course, even if Hal had answered somewhere, you wouldn't be able to link to it because the PERMALINKS ARE GONE.

Posted by: TBG | March 2, 2006 5:37 PM | Report abuse

CHEESE: As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world - that is the myth of the atomic age - as in being able to remake ourselves.

Posted by: Lotus | March 2, 2006 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Annillterate pinhead from tx does not become president by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does a president from tx go awol without nobody seeing it.

Posted by: Nachomama | March 2, 2006 5:42 PM | Report abuse

is there an echo in here Hal? Mama did not did not type multiplied multiplied twice twice something very funny is going going on here here

Posted by: Nachomama | March 2, 2006 5:44 PM | Report abuse

why do i have the sneaking suspicion that bbking and cheesehead and nachomama are one in the same? did i miss something this weekend?

and lindaloo - i was always a boodle behind so i don't know if you noticed that i blame you for the code! gotta blame someone and you never know how powerful this cyberspacey thing is! *grin* darn resperitory infection caught me in the hospital for a cpl hours waiting on a breathing treatment!

Posted by: mo | March 2, 2006 5:45 PM | Report abuse

An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error flynn because nobody sees it.

Posted by: bbking | March 2, 2006 5:46 PM | Report abuse

bb it looks like we could all do with less of your perspicacity. And perspiration.

mo - suggest boodling back in time

Cheesehead *ahem* is not a southern fried name

How would you like it if I suggested you were one and the same with shiloh because your name happens to end in "o"? Same principle

Posted by: Anonymous | March 2, 2006 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I lived in DC for 18 years...1961-79. I'll consider returning to the US when Bush is gone from power. But I'm not sure the country will survive him through 2008.

The latest tape has me thinking whether Americans can still spell I-M-P-E-A-C-H. America is still recovering from the surreal brainwashing televised in the impeachment proceedings of the Clinton years. Americans have yet to stand up and demand that this time our constitutional perogative be excercised the way it was intended. But, acting like detainees without even POW rights, most Americans "wait and wile" their time away, pining for the good 'ole days before bad Presidents got impeached primarily for getting caught with their pants down at the office.

Readers, please don't get me wrong: I like what I have read here, and it gives me some hope. But while the wait for 2008 is good for Bush, it will probably be catastrophic for the future of the country. Is there really any hope of getting rid of him before he ruins the rest of what good remains?

Posted by: Expatriate | March 2, 2006 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Right on, Expat.
Mama says SIZE 13 BOOT (that's Southern for IMPEACH)

Posted by: Nachomama | March 2, 2006 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Loomis, the dj this morning and a couple of other sites say that Smetana did have tinnitus. One also said he has syphillis, which could also explain his going mad. Also, of course, this is 19th century medicine we are talking about here, so what caused his 'insanity' could well be subject to debate.

Posted by: pj | March 2, 2006 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Cheesehead gets around.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Posted by: Cheesehead | March 2, 2006 5:57 PM | Report abuse

my apologies anon! *grin* please to be forgiving me - clearly, my code is making me imagine things!

Posted by: mo | March 2, 2006 5:59 PM | Report abuse

One piece of advice Cheese:
Be temperate in wine, in eating, girls, and cloth, or the Gout will seize you and plague you both
-Benjamin Franklin

Posted by: Loretta | March 2, 2006 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Cheesehead citing Ghandi is sort of like Robert Bellarmine using Zen or Dharma combat. On Wisconscin.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 6:04 PM | Report abuse

What is serving God?
Tis doing Good to Man.
B Franklin

Posted by: Lotus | March 2, 2006 6:05 PM | Report abuse

yello - And also no edit function other than our own SCC.

Nacho - Size 13 Boot would be a good name for a Boodle handle.

Long ago, up there well to the north of this post, I asked a question that drew next to no response. I asked if Bush was talking not about the hurricane, but about the point where it looked as though New Orleans had dodged the bullet, in his reference to nobody knowing that the flooding could happen. I'm surprised that you all agreed with me, although I was only posting it as a possibility.

Posted by: Bayou Self | March 2, 2006 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh invoking Bellarmine, the inventor of the infamous JUG, on the other hand is entirely appropos. Or as St. Robert himself commented: Who would not be glad to bear a yoke that does no press hard but caresses? Who would not be glad for a burden that does not weigh heavy but refreshes?
Or, as old Ben said so pithily:
He that speaks ill of the Mare, will buy her.

Posted by: Cheesehead | March 2, 2006 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I ken, cheesehead, sensei.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Cheesehead's motto is:
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Lots of folks are jealous of Cheese and snicker at his flowery and high fallutin verses. Jealousy, all it is to it.

Posted by: Cheesehead | March 2, 2006 6:27 PM | Report abuse

This is just a rehash of Bush's mantra: "Mission Accomplised."

Posted by: muleman | March 2, 2006 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Is ken the same as kow-tow?
That would be good.

Posted by: ch | March 2, 2006 6:29 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah, misshin'ccomplisd yeah......
bb recognized it right off

Posted by: bbking | March 2, 2006 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I did see that you tried to blame me for your virus. But trust me--this is a nasty one and is apparently making the rounds in Alamo City. Started with a raw throat, moved into a heavy cold in the nose, then went to congestion at the base of throat and upper respiratory tract, terminating in a hacking cough. I would not want to have given this to my worst enemy, but don't think I have many, if any, enemies. Luckily, my husband dodged the bullet of my cold. No fever associated, so don't think it to be flu.

Could it be bird flu? I saw a photo of Donald Duck lying dead in from of Cinderella's Castle the other day in Orlando. Newspapers noted it as the first case of bird flu in the northern hemisphere/North America.

Hope the joke made you laugh. Rest, rest, rest, is all that I can say, plus feel better soon.

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 6:34 PM | Report abuse

LORETTA SAID: One piece of advice:
Be temperate in wine & cheese, in eating girls, and cloth or the Gout will seize you and plague your crotch


Posted by: Anonymous | March 2, 2006 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Error flynn: "but that's who made him president."
I can't speak for all evangelicals, but boy do I regret that he was elected (even though i am not sure either Gore or Kerry would have done much better).

Posted by: tangent | March 2, 2006 6:44 PM | Report abuse

>truth become error flynn because nobody sees it

Great, now I have Szechuan Chicken all over my monitor.

But thank ya, thank ya verrry much.

Posted by: Error Flynn | March 2, 2006 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Now I happen to know Loretta and she said no such thing. Loretta is a lady.
bb is surprised at you *anon*

Posted by: bbking | March 2, 2006 6:45 PM | Report abuse

This just in. These guys ...

... say that when it comes to blogging papers, The Washington Post gets only the Silver. The Gold goes to the Houston Chronicle. Could it be the size of the type?

Posted by: Bayou Self | March 2, 2006 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Did i miss sumthin? mo = *anon*?
sorry cheese.

Posted by: bbking | March 2, 2006 6:53 PM | Report abuse


I'm not mad at Christians for electing what they considered one of their own, I just hope they learn from this experience and look at the bigger picture next time. And his competitors both ran lousy campaigns. I know many decent, intelligent folks who were firmly in his camp, even if holding their nose. It just makes me crazy that I saw much of this coming, including the WMD. I mean really, does no one in the administration play poker? Saddam was just bluffing.

I'm actually more pissed at the feminist and gay lobbies for going out of their way to stir up the pot, and I've basically supported both in many ways for years just as a matter of civil rights.

In fact, doctrine aside, anyone who really lives according to the teachings of Jesus is quite alright by me. It's the @*#(@#* that did the manipulation that really deserve the blame, and they're the ones dividing the nation.

Posted by: Error Flynn | March 2, 2006 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Now this is why Mama always buys size 13 in spite of not being from TX. No one can accuse Mama of havin lilliputin feet.
Bigger the font the bigger the.....well you know what they say. ;-)

Posted by: Nachomama | March 2, 2006 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Son, Eros, DOES MAMA PLAY POKER? Does a ferret **** in the forest?

Eros said:
I'm actually more pissed pissed pissed at the feminist and gay lobbies for going out of their way to stir up the pot pot, and I've basically supported the booth in many ways for years.


In fact, doctrine aside, anyone who really lives according to the teachings of Jesus is quite alright by me. It's the @*#(@#* that did the manipulation that really deserve the blame, and they're the ones dividing the nation.

Posted by: nachomama | March 2, 2006 7:01 PM | Report abuse

and another thang:
EROS SAID: In fact, doctorin aside, anyone who really lives, according to the teachings of Jesus is quite alright by me. It's the @*#(@#* that did the manipulation that really deserve to be lame, and they're the ones driving inflation.

Eros is on a ROLL tonight! Mama can't keep UP with you boy!

Posted by: nachomama | March 2, 2006 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Man, I keep readin' this stuff I'm gonna end up in a Depends commercial.

"Bloggers make you wet your pants? Get DEPENDS!"

Posted by: Error Flynn | March 2, 2006 7:09 PM | Report abuse

mo gonna miss it agin ah 'spect.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Amen, Error, amen!

Of course, you know you're preaching to the choir already.

Posted by: Slyness | March 2, 2006 7:19 PM | Report abuse

well, it all depends

on a red wheelbarrow


Posted by: bbking | March 2, 2006 7:21 PM | Report abuse

BAH YEW: Long ago, up there well to the north, I asked a question that grew. I asked if Bush was walking not because of the hurricane, but to avoid the Superdome where New Orleans dodged, in reference to nobody knowing that the flooding could happen.

WOWSER, yeah, suprised he didnt jump on his trike if he was downwind of the Superdome

I'm surprised that you all agreed with me, although I was only posting it as a possibility.

Posted by: Nachomama | March 2, 2006 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Bayou Self,

Thanks for that blog-article link.

For the benefit of boodlers who don't want to click and scroll, here's the only important paragraph in the article:

The Post was found to have writers who spoke with real authority or displayed extraordinary talent— led by Joel Achenbach’s Achenblog, which drew the most praise of any newspaper blog the Specials saw. “Achenbach pulls off the lofty task of making his blog more than just an online column,” writes Alfuso. “He covers other blogs, receives tons of comments, and doesn’t confine himself to one particular topic.” Krase is blunter. She likes his “his snarky and sarcastic writing tone.”

Posted by: kbertocci | March 2, 2006 7:32 PM | Report abuse

DEPENDS upon a red wheel barrow

glazed with RAIN water

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 7:33 PM | Report abuse

KB SAID: real authority...extraordinarily talented ... lofty blog ... doesn’t confine himself to one particular topic

Looks like I'm in the right place then.
Except that I can stay on one topic all night.

Posted by: Cheesehead | March 2, 2006 7:37 PM | Report abuse

it does seem a shame that we have people in government, lobbyists, et. al. that seemingly exist only to polarize the nation and disagree with whatever other people say. there's nothing like harming your cause by yelling and screaming shrilly rather than actually listening and having reasonable dialogue/debate. oh well, such is the nature of politics in America

Posted by: tangent | March 2, 2006 7:40 PM | Report abuse

YerSLYness: Amen, Arros, amen!
Of course, you know you're leaching to the choir and I'm ready.

Very CORNY but you're out of your league here tonight on this big lofty blog, I'm afraid. Corny, very corny

Posted by: Anonymous | March 2, 2006 7:42 PM | Report abuse

>Be temperate in wine, in eating, girls, and cloth, or the Gout will seize you and plague you both

Y'know, this font could be dangerous. I entirely missed the comma after "eating" the first time I read it. Guess I still have to bump it up.

Posted by: Error Flynn | March 2, 2006 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Eros - bump it up, bump it up. Don't miss the coma.

Posted by: bbking | March 2, 2006 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Son, Eros, you should never eat any thing the first time you read it.

Posted by: Nachomama | March 2, 2006 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Shy&Low: DEPENDS upon a red wheel barrow
glazed with RAIN water

"in". PREPOSITIONS, SHY, preppositions

as Wm Carlos himself said:


Posted by: ch | March 2, 2006 7:57 PM | Report abuse

which brings us back to Bush!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 2, 2006 8:00 PM | Report abuse

i got the "your comment will be reviewed" error... hmmmm

Posted by: mo | March 2, 2006 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Lest we forget: back in 2002 the NOLA Times-Picayune wrote about the probability of the levees being both topped and breached during a major storm. (

The feature also echoes a comment from above about how both topping and breaching can happen at the same time, and in fact topping would tend to lead to breaching. So the quibbling about the supposed difference between those two terms is moot. It was ALL predicted. Either nobody told the Prez, or he forgot, or he shrugged it off by deciding it was all in God's hands; without an impeachment trial, the world may never know.

Posted by: Travis | March 2, 2006 8:03 PM | Report abuse

(methinks i know why - what i said was:)
nope mo does not equal anon - i was responding to a comment made to me -
(then i said
loomis that is exactly the kinda cold i have - wouldn't wanna wish it on my worst enemy either -
(and here's where i think it went ary:) i haven't been seeing donald (duck) since he went back to that slu$ cinderella (yeah, princess my patootie)
(see i spelled out slu$ the first time - maybe hal is screening for bad words??)

Posted by: mo | March 2, 2006 8:07 PM | Report abuse

See this is xactly what i Mean: Shylock:Cheesehead citing Ghandi is sort of like Robert Bellarmine using Zen or Dharma combat. On Wisconscin.

ONWARD Wisconsin

Posted by: ch | March 2, 2006 8:09 PM | Report abuse

MO for prez

Posted by: Anonymous | March 2, 2006 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Dropping commas is obvious fun, but the hubris of self-congratulations or misplaced adulation isn't fun, kb, its a distortion of what those who have been here, including the founder, know, and can best serve by keeping it as described in the selected comment.

Elitism is anaethema to true democracy; the present administration fails to comprehend its own hubris, and therein lies its falling in popular support.

The blog's the thing may be true to some, but I think to more, it is the bloggers who are "it" - and I think Joel shares that view and therein lies its success.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I am prepositionally challenged.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 8:17 PM | Report abuse

MO:i want a rye:) i haven't been fleeeing donald (duck) since he went back to that slu$ cinderella (yeah, princess my patootie)

"patootie" is a Fahn prepposition. This young lady is obviously insulted. And who could embalmer? Don't ever run from a duck, child, for a duck could be somebody's mother. Go get that sandwich.

Posted by: nachomama | March 2, 2006 8:18 PM | Report abuse

deafness, the cousin of tolerance, Shiloh

Posted by: cheesehead | March 2, 2006 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh: Dropping commas is obvious fun, but the hubris of self-congratulations or misplaced adulation isn't fun, kb, its a distortion of what those who have been here, including the founder, know, and can best serve by keeping it as described in the selected comment.Elitism is anaethema

(capping purely for emphasis and not int3ending to imply in any way that Shiloh is windy) I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK

it is the bloggers who are "it"


Posted by: cheesehead | March 2, 2006 8:25 PM | Report abuse

nachomama - that made me choke on my spinach ravioli - since i'm already eating can i save the sandwich for tomorrow?

speaking of ducks (we were weren't we) - i saw the comment about kermit selling frog leg pizza which made me think about the miss piggy pizza hut commercial - did you notice the pizza she's peddling has pepperoni on it????

Posted by: mo | March 2, 2006 8:25 PM | Report abuse

beside the white chickens, cheesehead, "it" aint' nothin'

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 8:31 PM | Report abuse

MO:speaking of docks (we were weren't we) - i saw commet kermit selling frog leg pizza which made me think about the miss piggy pizza hut commercial - did you notice the pizza she's peddling has pepperoni on it????

Prepperoni pizza mah pattootie! Could be plain frog and as sich it would be kermitting no krime if your friend Peggy jumped off the dock after missing a hot commet pizza commercial, course it all depends on a red wheelbarrow. was it spinach in the ravioli child, hmmmm does look a lot like frog. You have a fondness for frog perhaps?

Posted by: Nachomama | March 2, 2006 8:39 PM | Report abuse

What? No Buber? Kermit knew Buber. You ain't no Kermit.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 8:45 PM | Report abuse

MO I deeply apologize for misquoting you:
i saw commet kermit sailing a frog leg pizza which made me thank miss piggy for the pizza hut commercial - did you notice the pizza she's paddling has pepperoni on it?

Very wierd company you are keeping ms MO. If I were you I'd run right back to daffy duck. Slu$s do not wear size 13 boots and therefore must be dishcounted altogether, paddling is recommended.

Posted by: Nachomama | March 2, 2006 8:45 PM | Report abuse

....of course if you were paddling with pepperoni pizza that would be hotter than a goat's butt in a pepper patch, but, like I said, it all depends on them chickens. Ditch the red wheelbarrow and get the heck out of there, child.

Posted by: Nachomama | March 2, 2006 8:48 PM | Report abuse

th th th that's all folks

Posted by: miss piggy | March 2, 2006 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh Bugs out.

Posted by: shiloh | March 2, 2006 8:58 PM | Report abuse

[Hong Kong, 1000 hours]

[more specifically, the Mix bureau, located in Causeway Bay between a Starbucks and a Spaghetti House, in a building called the World Trade Centre, with a view of sailboats out the window]

Hooly dooly -- since I checked into the 'blog less than 24 hours ago, there have been three new Kits! I'm never going to be able to catch up, much less keep up. Not to mention the fact that whenever I check in, the day's 'boodling is well and truly over, and I'm left to 'boodle from the wrong end of the 'boodle. Ah well, such is life. I shan't bore you with my complaints -- I'm sure yesterday's tirade about my dietary upheaval and lack of Internet access was boring enough. [But I must say, my situation in both regards seems to be looking up.]

Today is a beautiful day -- sunny, warm, and clear. As for the font size, it looks pretty much the same to me as it did last time I looked. Everything is right with the world. I'm making the most of being able to get out and about this morning before returning home at noon to await delivery of a TV and a bottled-water dispenser (essential here given that drinking the tap water is not recommended -- of course, I tried it anyway, but it tasted kind of moldy, even when used to make tea or coffee; if you never hear from me again, you'll know why).

Oh -- one more thing: When I saw "Your Small Thoughts" listed at the end of this Kit as the previous item, I initially thought the name of the comments section/Kaboodle had been changed to that. (I really am out of sorts.)

Posted by: Achenfan | March 2, 2006 9:05 PM | Report abuse

miss piggy pizza butt commercial - did you notice the pizza she's paddling has pepperoni on it????

WELL NOW. we're into some sizzlin stuff here fer sure. Way too hot fer bb.
Anyone who eats THAT much pizza should be paddled and I am galdarned sure it would sell hotter n beans at the brown nose breakfast before the high muckety megachurch hogwash cult cataclysm convention.
MO, you watch that good now y'hear

Posted by: bbking | March 2, 2006 9:10 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Loretta | March 2, 2006 9:13 PM | Report abuse

many thoughtful and sincerely held views
found in this kab...the deepset problems
that are so much of the katrina story are
still with us...and with another hurricane
season coming up will likely be manifested
again...the history of the delta riverine
region is one where man has made many times
over some big changes in river flowage,the
advancement of shipping and commerce over
natural ecosystems and intruded into areas
best left alone...underfunded and under
designed the present levee systems due in
large part to political gaming,short takes
on long term needs and just plain failure
to weed out corruption and graft practices.
bush2 should not be held responsible for
the decades old failure to embrace longterm
meaningful reforms...nor should he be held
accountable for the pervasive nonchalance
that allowed mixing the real dangers of
large,swift water movements with poorly
laid out safety and emergency requirements. orleans is an old american city to
be sure...and one where decades of decline
and local political shortfalls are plainly
part of the katrina story...bush2 is not
responsible for any of that either...
that the bush2 WH was slow post-katrina to
forcefully put in motion coherent actions
is plain enough...and nothing can undo that is a part of bush2's presidency
now and will become a big part of his time
in office history...
several months after katrina bush2 seems to
be pushing away from what katrina put on
the national stage in march 2006
little is on that stage regarding deeper
and meaningful changes in how the gulf
coast region will address the deepseated
problems of poorly thoughtout human change
and intrusion into the delta region and
gulf coast...the mounting of decisive and
and deep reaching policy changes for how
commerce,the realestate process and the
threats of flooding and hurricane weather
systems are mixed...bush2 is seemingly not
on this stage...he should be...and should
embrace wholeheartedly that genuine reform,
attitude change and some political hardball
is where the starting line is...if he is
unable or uninterested in this start line
he will not cross any finish line during
the remaining years of his WH tenure with
regards to katrina's aftermath...on this
he is accountable for...and should be held
responsible on the national stage for...

Posted by: an american in siam.... | March 2, 2006 9:22 PM | Report abuse

mo, I hope you're feeling better soon. And anyone else dealing with the bug (Loomis, are you over it yet?).

It took me about a month to shake it completely.

Something that the blueplate folks seemed to miss is that the Boodle isn't *just* a ton of comments to Joel's great Blog items; there's a community here, which is a rare and wonderful thing for newspaper blog comments.


Posted by: bc | March 2, 2006 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I have just returned from hearing David Liss speak. He's pretty brusque with me these days, but is always a heap of hilarity--he's got his own style of humor, to be sure.

The great news is that on his book tour--this is his second "appearane"--he is scheduled to meet with a producer in Hollywood about possibly turning his book(s) into film.

I am over it, but not over it. The voice is not normal, and there is a lingering tightness in my chest and a hacking cough--but far less a horrible cough than several days ago. The funny thing was the woman at the cash-wrap and the woman behind me in line at Barnes and Noble have had "the crud" and our symptoms and lingering cough and hoarseness are all pretty much the same.

Of course, the former reporter in me wants to know what's in the viral load--what strains of cold/virus. At this point, it's anyone's guess.

Thanks for asking, bc.

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 10:28 PM | Report abuse

De nada, kb, de nada.

Posted by: Bayou Self | March 2, 2006 10:30 PM | Report abuse

bc, mo and Loomis--I had that damned cold for the entire month of January, including on the infamous cruise. Worst cold I ever had--stuck in my throat and produced more phlegm than any I remember. Took Mucinex night and day, the only thing that seemed to work. Most colds are 3-4 days to a week, then gone. Not that SOB.

mo, try the Mucinex. It's supposed to be a 10-hour time release version of Guaifenesin but only lasted about 9-10 hours for me. But better than anything else.

Anybody need a laugh? Check out this site: it's Dick Cheyney singing a version of Folsom Prison Blues (about shooting Harry). (Warning to those with tender sensibilities--it drops the F bomb a few times, as Cheyney himself is wont to do.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | March 2, 2006 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Bayou Self:
I want to hype your link 9not hyeprlink-haha) to Jay Rosen's NYU journalism school contest/evaluation of blogs associated with major newspaper dailies in the U.S. Houston Chron leads by a mile, a veritable mile. May have to go check out Houston Chron myself--just a look-see. Was much surprised to see the San Antonio Express-News come in at sixth place--with an honorable mention, to boot.

And one of the criteria used to judge?

Comments and reader participation. We generally—but not always—took a dim view of blogs without comments; and weren’t impressed if a newspaper blog had comments enabled, but post after post drew zero. That was a bad sign to the Specials. Alexis Krase writes, “I was looking for a certain level of reader interaction.” Will McLean said he “put the most emphasis on the volume of comments, which I feel is the best indicator of the overall general interest deserved by the post.”

But it wasn’t just quantity. Toli Galanis said that by sifting through the comments he got a “sense of how conscious and open the bloggers were to feedback and criticism.” Comments as a measure of openness is different from: “we’re open to comments.”

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Mudge writes:

I know more about this little chemical than I care to share late tonight. It liquifies the body's mucosal linings--and works great.

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 10:43 PM | Report abuse

So, Mudge, who do you think is singing that little Prison Concert ditty--Joaquin Phoenix reprising his role as Johnny Cash?

Best laugh I've had today. My shaking (from laughter) shoulders loosened more phlegm than I care to admit.

Posted by: Loomis | March 2, 2006 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I think it's the guy whose name is under the photo--Paul Hipp. He's some sort of actor/writer/composer (according to ) Did the Buddy Holly Story on Broadway.

By coincidence, he graduated from a parochial school about 3 miles from my high school, though he appears to be 17 years younger than me.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | March 2, 2006 11:06 PM | Report abuse

'Night, boodle. Good to hear from you, Achenfan. Loomis, I'm calling in sick tomorrow, dealing with that issue we discussed by e-mail. mo, get some sleep, and remember: chicken noodle soup is the universal cure.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | March 2, 2006 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Did you hear our prez talking about nuclear power? He thinks it's renewable. He also thinks India going nuclear would be good for us because they'd use less oil. Does he mean less oil use by them means more for us, or could he not make himself say less greenhouse gases.

Posted by: geofizz | March 2, 2006 11:56 PM | Report abuse

We are fighting the upper respiratory bug in our household. Zinc tabs are helpful if your GI tract can take it. Take one after a meal, as directed on the package. School was intense enough over the past two days to warrant taking a powder. I sense something insidious emanating from Congress via the White House. Disproportionate tax relief, whittling away at the safety net, grandiose speeches used to rollout grandiose plans, then nothing to implement the plans. Throw in some whoppers in the way of questionable rhetoric and justification for the grandiose plans. We in public education have to deal with NCLB, a program that has little in the way of federal funds to back up this round of reform. If a school or district doesn't make adequate yearly progress according to the NCLB standards, the school district loses federal funding, and is left holding the bag to fund reform efforts by themselves. In impoverished counties it amounts to a monumental obstacle to reform and progress. Rock and a hard place. The response to Katrina is morphing in the same way. Rebuilding is more likely to be a state function with relatively little federal funding. Thus, the quasi-conservative philosophy of less government involvement in state affairs; what amounts to a let-them-pull-themselves-up-by-the-bootstraps philosophy. Increases the gap betwen the haves and have the article in the WaPo nation section, 3/2, about New Orleans being a "land of opportunity". Couldn't have anticipated the breach of the levees...the President was fully engaged...having to see the devastation via an in-house composed DVD, because of the choice to limit reading of the daily papers...Mudge is right; delgating responsibility a la corporate protocol to a team of people with their own fish to fry has led to a disconnect that is beyond belief.

Posted by: jack | March 3, 2006 1:03 AM | Report abuse

did someone say the cheese is ready?

via con queso.

Posted by: mostlyjerking | March 3, 2006 5:42 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all. I don't know if the cheese is ready or not, but I'm up, and getting ready to go out the door. So tired when I got in last night. Hope everyone's day is good, and your weekend even better. As always, I'm asking that you give some of your time to God, through Christ, go to church. Kiss your wife, and your children, and thank God for them. Even when they're a pain in the "you know what", God is good, and you're not alone in the world. My heart goes out to all in prayer, and that each every heart is blessed mightly by God through Christ Jesus. A special hello to Nani, and thanks for your comment, and to all the comments, good and bad. Love ya.

Posted by: Cassandra S | March 3, 2006 7:38 AM | Report abuse

LindaLoo and 'Mudge, that's the code I had after Christmas! You're right about it, I felt bad on and off for the whole month of January. It was the worst one I've had since I was in college, and I was entertaining family all Christmas week...thank heavens spring is just around the corner.

Posted by: slyness | March 3, 2006 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Somehow, comparing symptoms seems like such a primal human activity--we do it almost instinctively, and it's easy to see how it would have evolutionary advantages--what bug did you have, what remedies worked, we share that information and our human tendency is to identify the patterns and view it as a community event. I've noticed it before, but it's really striking when I see it on the blog, because the "community" extends across the U.S. and to Asia and Europe--really cool.

Shiloh, when you started talking about "the hubris of self-congratulations or misplaced adulation" I thought you were chastising me for posting a paragraph about how great the Achenblog is. It would have been a fair criticism. But I won't stop doing it anyway. I guess self-congratulation is an Achenblog tradition by now, and that is also a human trait and part of the glue that holds communities--especially artificial communities--together. Aren't we great!

Posted by: kbertocci | March 3, 2006 8:01 AM | Report abuse

The video has been discussed extensively during breaks at this conference. Most of the largely conservative audience dismiss it as meaningless. Cognitive dissonance rules.

Posted by: RD Padouk | March 3, 2006 8:20 AM | Report abuse

I was going to post the excerpt about the Achenblog from the article but kb beat me by about 12 hours. That's what I get for leaving the boodle unattended. I think Joel should be justly proud. He know needs some pompous title he can bandy about.

King of All Newspaper Bloggers
"More Than Just An Online Column"
Extra Snarky and Sarcastic

Of course the quantity of comments overwhelmed the judges as well. It helps that for several people, like Loomis and Mudge, this is a virtual surrogate blog for them. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It definitely helps build community.

The Houston Chronicle seems to have really impressed them. The Chron also has a really great custom comics features for the comic geeks like me. The WaPo could take a few lessons.

I think the chats are the real WaPo online strength. I don't know of any online papers that do so many or so well.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 3, 2006 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Yes, kb, "great" it is. But remember, every community needs its' occasional "contrary," in order to see itself more clearly. When the contraries become too prevalent is when the community coalesces and asserts itself. November may be a telling time for the country. The font issue was a sample here, but even that had its defenders, contrary to the general sentiment.

You handled your perception of my contrariness well. That's great,too.

Posted by: shiloh | March 3, 2006 8:58 AM | Report abuse

SCC: In the last sentence of the first paragraph, change "know" to "now". That is the number one typo I make that I cannot blame on a slippery keyboard. It is purely misconnected nuerons. Of course, if we had a Preview or Edit function, this wouldn't happen as often. Hint, hint.

In Hal The Schemers defense, I don't know of any blogging software with true comment editing funtions. That would actually cause a fair amount of mischief if people could claim to be misquoted and then change their comments post facto. Blogger lets the registered author of a comment delete it, but not edit it. Editing is more commonly available with Discussion Forum software, which I heartily dis-reccommend.

Preview is not only a common feature, but nearly ubiquitous, except here. Some bloggers use mandatory preview as a rudimentary spam-blocker.

While we are on the wish list, HTML styles, particularly italics would be very nice since we so often quote/cit/reccommend books and movies here.

/step off lectern/soapbox

Posted by: yellojkt | March 3, 2006 9:02 AM | Report abuse

yellojkt, would you mind posting the excerpt about the Achenblog? I can't seem to find it above.

Cassandra, it's great that you are helping kids read. Back in Florida I was a remedial reading teacher's aide at a halfway house for young boys adjudicated "delinquent" by the courts. It was so rewarding to see them discover how books could take them to places they'd never been, introduce them to new and different ideas; how characters in books could become their role model, friend or even family when the real people in their lives turned their backs.

Good morning everyone!

Posted by: Nani | March 3, 2006 9:02 AM | Report abuse

At least two SCC worthy grammar slips in the last post. I leave as an exercise to the reader.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 3, 2006 9:04 AM | Report abuse

kbertocci posted the paragraph about the Achenblog at 7:32 p.m., so you can scroll up on this Boodle, or you can use the link Bayou Self provided and link to Jay Rosen and journalism student's contest/article explaining the contest winners and scroll down to find the paragraph about the Achenblog.

Hope these work for you.

Posted by: Loomis | March 3, 2006 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Bayou Self's hyperlink to Rosen/students/contest is at 6:46 p.m.

Posted by: Loomis | March 3, 2006 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Lindaloo! I found it. And by the by, your descriptive and illuminating posts about the goings-on in San Antonio are so very enjoyable. My dream is to one day live there again.

Posted by: Nani | March 3, 2006 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people are criticizing Bush just because he didn't anticipate that this video would come out:

Posted by: Jon Swift | March 4, 2006 12:12 AM | Report abuse

mumble mumble talkin to a dead boodle...

Saw on Tv that after the San Fran earthquake in 1906, President Teddy Roosevelt, mere hours afterwards, allerted by telegram (!) issued orders that every tent in the US Army be sent to SF, set up, and emergency rations distributed. The tent city was quickly erected, refugees escorted to it and fed,(for weeks afterwards) and order maintained. This occured within hours after it was ordered.

Posted by: Russ | March 4, 2006 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Hi! Very interesting! pavfj

Posted by: John S | August 15, 2006 3:00 PM | Report abuse

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