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How Much Is Enough?

This afternoon I'm just going to do some boodle-mining, though I know some people think that's lazy -- just another way in which I goof off while everyone else does the heavy lifting around here. But so be it:

Here's a great comment from dbG posted in the boodle last night -- and it brings up the basic question of What Do We Want In Life? What I want can't be bought at the store. I want more time, mostly. More time with my family, more time to dither around the kitchen experimenting with recipes, more time to hike near Great Falls, more time to play catch with my kids (who at some point must learn to lay out for an overthrown pass), more time to read, more time to write stuff that's creative and not just the same ol' blah-blah, more time with friends. Anyway, here's dbG]:

"I believe many people are separated from their authentic selves. You (many people) set a goal of x dollars, or y title at work without realizing what the true cost is. Then because you have little or no leisure, you're always driven, our society pushes consumption as the thing which will make you feel better. They tell you that's why you do it all, to end up with *all this stuff* (sorry, Steve Martin in *My Blue Heaven* flashback) in exchange for your life. It takes more space to store, creates more trash and requires needless energy expenditure to produce.

You can never get enough of what you don't really want. (One of my 2 mottos to live by)

I turned down a promotion today. I had worked towards it for several years before realizing I wouldn't get it because I was the smartest, best organized or most technical. I'd get it because I was willing to take the most ahem, manure. It took me a year after the realization to let myself admit I didn't want it--no interest in working 60+ hours a week, no interest in working for a micromanager, no interest in managing people instead of servers. Lots of interest in staying technical, working on a new system puzzle every day, working (mainly) under 50 hours a week and having some semblance of a real life.

What the heck? Allows me keep the house I bought small on purpose and my non-gas-guzzler. Life is good when you appreciate what you have. Now to check out those energy efficient bulbs and the dog treadmills to produce electricity."--dbG

Son of Carl picked up on the fact that Another Way is really part 2 of a larger project, in which part 1 was "The Tempest," my story earlier this year on global warming deniers (I've thought of doing another part that focuses on government and technological responses to global warming):

"I see this article as part of the grand three pronged plan for a cultural shift on climate change. Challenges don't get any bigger, and it shares a lot in common with large scale religious conversion:

1. Discredit the unbelievers and the heretics. See for example, "Clouds are hard".

2. Extol the virtues of the faithful. In this regard, the Earthaven residents are like the ascetics.

3. Provide guidance and direction for the rest of us. Here's where, to continue the analogy, the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

Climate change will the ultimate litmus test on whether or not democracy works. Can a system of government that measures success or failure in terms of months or years succeed in addressing a problem on the scale of decades? Should be interesting. Hard not to think of the metaphor of the frog swimming around in ever-warming water."--Son of Carl

Further reading: I posted this link to New Scientist in the boodle and it does have a lot of fascinating ideas about the future. For example, here's one from Paul Davies:

"One of the great outstanding scientific mysteries is the origin of life. How did it happen? When I was a student, most scientists thought that life began with a stupendous chemical fluke, unique in the observable universe. Today it is fashionable to say that life is written into the laws of nature - easy to get started and therefore likely to be widespread in the universe. The truth is, nobody has a clue. It could be either extreme, or somewhere in the middle.

"We may soon know the answer, though. The clincher would be the discovery of a second genesis on another planet, such as Mars. There is an easier possibility, however. If life really does form readily then we might expect it to have started many times over on Earth. There could be aliens right here, under our noses. Most life is microbial, and you can't tell just by looking whether a microbe is "our" life or alien. You need to analyse the chemical innards. The search for terrestrial aliens has only just begun. If they are here, they could be identified soon. And the discovery that all life on Earth did not, after all, have a common origin would virtually prove that we are not alone in the universe."

Here's the ScienceBlogs entry on the Earthaven article.

If you haven't already you might want to check out the many comments posted to the article itself.

By Joel Achenbach  |  November 21, 2006; 6:47 AM ET
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hey joel - you wrote this at 6:47 am?

Posted by: mo | November 21, 2006 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Reposted from Previous Boodle:

Excepting myself, you'll find out that most of the folks on this here Boodle are quite intelligent, Nubee.

Don't let it intimidate you; for all of our discussions of cosmology and spirituality and the problems of the world, we all still snicker when one of us comes back from the bathroom with a big piece of tp stuck to my, er, *our* shoes, flying the banner of the human condition for the universe to see.


Posted by: bc | November 21, 2006 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I've never been one to set goals, except for somehow getting by. So I'm content (most of the time) with my very small house in a not fashionable neighborhood, where I'd just as soon spend my time off puttering around the yard. As George Harrison would say, if you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there:

Oh I've been traveling on a boat and a plane
In a car on a bike with a bus and a train
Traveling there and traveling here
Everywhere in every gear

But oh Lord we pay the price with a
Spin of a wheel - with a roll of a dice
Ah yeah you pay your fare
And if you don't know where you're going
Any road will take you there

(from Any Road)

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 21, 2006 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Except me. I'm not very intelligent, I have no sense of humour, and I'm old, and quite fat. And yet the Boodle made me welcome. Welcome in turn, newcomers.

Posted by: Yoki | November 21, 2006 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Yoki, that's not true! And you're Canadian!

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 21, 2006 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I forgot! Accordingly to Weingarten all Canadians are unintentionally hilarious.

Posted by: Yoki | November 21, 2006 5:22 PM | Report abuse

...and evidently not poutine-challenged.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 21, 2006 5:26 PM | Report abuse

reposted with an scc:

nubee - not all of us have advanced degrees - i don't have my masters yet... YET - i will soon tho...

no worries about your intellectual level (all the science stuff joel writes goes RIGHT over my head - i usually stick with posting fluff)

btw - who does the song "thunder road"? sorry, i don't know it so i didn't get a tune cootie... how bout "wreck of the edmund fitzgerald" for a tune cootie? (sorry, i know i did it before but it just came up on my media player so i had to share *grin*)

Posted by: mo | November 21, 2006 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I've been reflecting on this question since I read over last evening's boodle. I wonder if I really know how much is enough, for me. I hate the consumer in me, but it is definitely there. I don't *need* as much stuff as I've got but my, I do love pretty, quality items over good-enough things.

I struggle with it. A certain amount of stuff is necessary to run the house and job and give #1 and #2 the opportunities I'd like them to have. But I know I have too much. How to simplify? I try to do the right thing. I take transit most of the time for work, have a fuel efficient car for when I need the flexibility. I keep the house cold (well, to be honest, the dogs and I prefer it that way) and turn off the lights. We converted to high-efficiency water heater, furnace and windows. But it is kind of a big house filled with stuff (albeit pretty, quality stuff :).

I've given myself a moralgia thinking about it.

Posted by: Yoki | November 21, 2006 5:30 PM | Report abuse

mo, that would be Bruce Springsteen. You're showing your age again, young 'un!

I love the Wreck of the Edmund Fizgerald - saw Gordon Lightfoot perform it this summer without muffing a word. "When the gales of November come early" - very poignant song.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 21, 2006 5:32 PM | Report abuse

If you want the full lyrics of The Wreck of the Edmund Fizgerald:

This is the part that sends chills down my spine:
Does any one know where the love of God goes
When the waves turn the minutes to hours
The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
If they'd put fifteen more miles behind her
They might have split up or they might have capsized
They may have broke deep and took water
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters

And it just goes to show that what's important are not the material things - but Yoki, there are lots of things worth having, that make life better, for sure.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 21, 2006 5:39 PM | Report abuse

bleh! i don't like bruce - sorry, sorry - i know that's sacreligous! (but i DO like gordon! does that make up for it? my mum used to play his stuff when i was a wee one so it reminds me of my childhood - i'd LOVE to see him perform!)

Posted by: mo | November 21, 2006 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a big Bruce fan myself, mo, but I like lots of his songs. Gordon Lightfoot doesn't have the voice he used to (he was quite ill a few years ago), but he is still very good and his band is excellent. If you get the chance, see him.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 21, 2006 5:44 PM | Report abuse

and i have to admit i'm a true consumer - cassandra, i was born and raised in a city so i've had indoor plumbing, washing machines and central air my whole life... i like to camp but i'm always appreciative to come back to "civilization" and indoor facilities... i couldn't do the "country" living... there, i admitted it...

Posted by: mo | November 21, 2006 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Nubee- Not everyone here has a degree. My post-secondary education consisted of learning to rumba at the Arthur Murray School of Dance.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 21, 2006 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Boko I think degrees from the school of life are just as worthy!

Posted by: dmd | November 21, 2006 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I've wondered a bit about multiple origins for various Earth organisms. It's only worth considering for a small number of groups--for example, everything with eukaryotic cells (cells with a nucleus) are clearly descended for a common ancestor, as eukaryotic cells are highly specialized, and share very unique features (such as mitochondria). This includes all the multicellular organisms.

However, when you get down to bacteria (Monera, in the Five Kingdom system), things get a little tougher. Monerans are mostly linked to each other based on the things they DON'T have, rather than the things they do have.

This is a dicey way to classify organisms--in clasdistic terms, it's described as using shared, primitive characters (sympleisiomorphies, in the lingo), and is generally considered a no-no. It would be like grouping humans and mice together as mammals because we both have backbones. Well, yea, but so do all the other vertebrates.

Once you rule out shared primitive characters, there isn't a whole lot to group the various bacteria together. For example, the cyanobacteria (blue-green algae) don't seem to have a lot in common with other bacteria except the basics, like, "they all have DNA".

There certainly isn't a lot of evidence to refute the claim that the monerans have multiple origins.

Posted by: Dooley | November 21, 2006 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Going to try to get Mrs. D. to make some poutine for me this Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Dooley | November 21, 2006 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Um, I would like to add that I am not one of the true egg-heads on this blog either...but at least tolerated. I'm mostly egg-white. Although every once in a while I do break into the yellow. :-)

Posted by: Random Commenter | November 21, 2006 6:06 PM | Report abuse

spongiform *hehehe*

Posted by: Boko999 | November 21, 2006 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Dooley- Make sure you use tinned chicken gravy on that poutine for the authentic Francophone flavour.

Posted by: Dooley | November 21, 2006 6:18 PM | Report abuse

And stop talking to yourself.

Posted by: Im poster999 | November 21, 2006 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Dooley, I never heard that before, about the monerans having multiple origins. Is this a heretical view or something that can be discussed in polite company among paleobiologists?

Mo, I started the kit at 6:47 a.m....Yes indeedy...And that's the time stamp that sticks with it, for some reason. I usually try to get some stuff in the hopper on the boodle (note: these are not technical terms) before 7 a.m., when things begin to get hectic around the house. But I often don't finish a kit until midday or, who knows, end of business. This is because blogging isn't my job, but, as I've noted many times, merely something management considers a bad habit.

I have merely a B.A., incidentally.

Posted by: Achenbach | November 21, 2006 6:23 PM | Report abuse

posting things like sympleisiomorphies makes me all tingly. Dooley do you ever have occasion to investigate or play around with newly discovered life in our oceans to figure out ancient life?

Posted by: dr | November 21, 2006 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, I'm trying to keep the stuff to a minimum also. My mother had a thousand square foot condo, and the stuff (garbage!) we carted out of it was amazing. And this was after she had cleaned out a 1800 square foot house! My mother in law, God rest her soul, had a 3900 square foot house with a full basement. Every cabinet, every closet, every drawer were full. It took my husband and his brother three and a half years to clean it all out. I promised my kids I wouldn't do that to them. One of my first projects in retirement will be to go through the closets and get rid of stuff. Except for the books. The books will stay, I'm afraid, and continue to multiply.

Posted by: Slyness | November 21, 2006 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Welcome, newcomers. Stick around, I think you will enjoy the company.

Mo, that's fine, not everyone is from the country or even likes the country. I bring these things up because sometimes it just feels like we get so detached from stuff if it isn't the stuff we're doing or living.

It's such a big world, and we have so many differences and lives, but we're all human, and we certainly have more characteristics in common than otherwise.

I feel very much alone sometimes when talking here because I realize that my whole existence is so different from many of you, yet I am not ashamed of that fact, I embrace it wholeheartedly, and want to share that with you because it is me. I am sure sometimes it seems that I go on, and on, and on, about it, but it needs to be talked about and said, so I am that voice. Peace.

Posted by: Cassandra S | November 21, 2006 6:31 PM | Report abuse

What I find weird is that Joel's B.A. is in political science, which just... isn't one. A science, that is. It's more of a Humanity. That squishy stuff. Yet, he's an entirely tolerable science writer. I can't understand how he went so far wrong, but the prodigal returned, so it's alright, now.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 21, 2006 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, yeah, Joel, just a BA. From Princeton! As if that didn't count.

A bad habit, you say? I'd say it's a very successful bad habit that management should look very positively upon.

Posted by: Slyness | November 21, 2006 6:33 PM | Report abuse

mostlylurking, if you like the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, one contribution to the boodle that I take pride in (in my warped way) is my song to that tune, inspired by Curmudgeon's guest kit on the history of signal flags. I'm sorry I can't easily find that date for you - May, June? If you look for it in the archives look for Curmudgeon on Signal Flags.

Posted by: SonofCarl | November 21, 2006 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Here's a paper from last year on the subject of whether a second genesis on Earth would be discernible:

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 21, 2006 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I head up to Pennsylvania Dutch Country tomorrow for Thanksgiving. I like the place so much that I will be bringing some of it back home with me in the form of body fat.

I hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving.

(And you Canadian-type people. Now is your chance to take over. We Americans will soon be in a tryptophan-induced stupor and even more sluggish than normal.)

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 21, 2006 6:44 PM | Report abuse

SciTim, you'll notice that I've adopted your suggested nomenclature and call the problem formerly known as "global warming" as "climate change". I'm also sick of the dumb jokes everytime somebody has to put on a sweater.

Posted by: SonofCarl | November 21, 2006 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I went to wikipedia to find out what monera were and discovered a photo that explains why some scientists at NASA got so excited about that Martian meteorite found in Antactica. The objects in the bottom photo look exactly like the putative critters they found on the exo-rock.
One of my cousins has an MA in polysci, now he's a lobbyist in Ottawa.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 21, 2006 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I haven't seen multiple origins of monerans in print, but it's the sort of thing that gets tossed around over beers at 1 am (when all the real science gets done). There's no strong evidence to support it, just no strong evidence to refute it either. If someone came along tomorrow and said "I've got new, strong evidence for multiple origins" I don't think there would be any big reason to doubt them.

If you have multiple origins on Earth, there are only a few candidate groups--essentially, Monera and Archaeobacteria (which I think is the group the extremeophiles are placed in); the other groups are too closely linked. In the 5K system, animals, plants, fungi, and protists are all eukaryotes and so have a common ancestor.

dr, I work on whales, so I don't play with microscopes very often--even as clueless as I am, I can usually find a whale even without putting my glasses on. Mrs. D. studied samples collected by the Alvin, and we had a friend who went down in the Alvin for samples, but those were geologic samples.

Posted by: Dooley | November 21, 2006 6:46 PM | Report abuse

The only people who try to bash you over the head with their credentials went to Bob Jones or wherever Kent Hovid went.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 21, 2006 6:52 PM | Report abuse

RD, very craftily, your leaders have annually distracted our people with the shopping extravaganza known as "Black Friday". So nobody's watching the shop up here either.

Posted by: SonofCarl | November 21, 2006 6:54 PM | Report abuse

RD, and what makes you think it won't happen. We have previously (just last week) lulled you into a stupor over our invasion in North Carolina. Didn't hear about that on the evening news now did we? Enjoy your weekend.

Actually, there was some stuff from the Arctic this morning, the mapping of the Arctic shelf. Its a race, there are only 7 years left and we must map our territory or lose it. Its so obviously our territory, but Maritime law says use it or lose it. The neigbours, including Denmark, the US, Russia and maybe even Finland are standing at the fence and they want the back forty. If we are all lucky and Canada gets starts playing harball, we will all remain good neighbours.

Posted by: dr | November 21, 2006 7:02 PM | Report abuse

It took me a long time, but I finally got a B.A. in economics. Semi-squishy, except for the econometrics folks, but that was too hard for me. Then I ended up doing photography for a living, so go figure.

I do enjoy all the science in the Kit and the Boodle, and I even put some effort into understanding it. Mrs C is the science person in the house, and can generally help me when I require it.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. We're staying home, cooking the traditional meal, planning to eat a lot of leftovers. Somehow I still cook for a crowd, even with only three of us. Hope you all have a good holiday.

Posted by: bigcranky | November 21, 2006 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Tim- I'm having trouble with that link.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 21, 2006 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Richard Dawkins has written several times that virtually all life could be traced back to a single ancestor (or concestor, he likes to make up words), but I've never read which lifeforms aren't related.
Perhaps he's using virtually in the sense that "There is virtually no cannablism in the Royal Navy" (M.Python)

Posted by: Boko999 | November 21, 2006 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love Paul Davies. Why, just a few days ago I was reading a review of his new book, "The Goldilocks Enigma: Why is the Universe Just Right for Life?"

An excerpt from the review [in the South China Morning Post]:

"The prevailing view among scientists, says Paul Davies, is that life and consciousness are interesting bonus features of our universe, not essential components. Davies, however, thinks otherwise. His book argues that intellgent life is the reason the universe exists.

"In 'The Goldilocks Enigma,' the theoretical physicist and populariser of the subject poses a mystery -- the fact that our universe appears tailor-made for life -- and offers a number of possible solutions, including God, only to knock them down one by one.

". . . Davies is faced with a dilemma. He can't believe in an intelligent designer, because of the classic 'Who made God?' argument. Equally, he can't accept that the cosmos just happened to turn out right, nor that it's a dot in a multiverse of possible phonies. His solution is a somewhat dramatic appeal to the more speculative corners of quantum field theory, general relativity and information theory.

"Causality, he argues in this hugely enjoyable book, could work backwards, so that the real cause of our universe is its endpoint. The point our cosmos is evolving towards could be one in which the whole of it becomes conscious."

Posted by: Dreamer | November 21, 2006 7:34 PM | Report abuse

//". . . Davies is faced with a dilemma. He can't believe ...... he can't accept.... His solution is a somewhat *dramatic* appeal to the more speculative corners of quantum field theory, general relativity and information theory.\\

For dramatic read desperate.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 21, 2006 7:47 PM | Report abuse

mo, many thanks for my tied-with-about-a-dozen-others-but-still-in-front-by-a-nose favorite tune cootie.

'Mudge, I'm terribly hurt you didn't see fit in your Boodle intro to mention the hopelessly-over-his-head-but-still-somehow-lovable-and-always-besieged-on-all-sides-by-the-chattering-classes deputy shop steward.

I shall drown my sorrows in gravy and whipped cream...

Speaking of which, I'll be getting up at 2 a.m. (no SCC needed) to do some traveling for the next four days. Hope to give everyone an update come Sunday. I wish you all a marvelous Thanksgiving with lots of hearth and home (or a reasonable facsimile).


Posted by: Scottynuke | November 21, 2006 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Dooley, the dust is showing on your Ph.D. Monera was split into Bacteria and Archeobacteria way back in 1977.

The grand three-kingdom scheme proposed in 1990 is Bacteria (or Eubacteria), Archea, Eukarya.

Eukarya includes plants, algae, fungi, and animals, so it's pretty broad.

I spent the last 6 years with taxonomic terms, so I'm relatively fresh. You're correct about cyanobacteria being rather distinct, but cyanobacteria likely is simply an more evolved form of photosynthesis from other photosynthetic bacteria, and an ancient cyanobacterium became the chloroplast in modern-day algae and plants.

As for the "DNA" argument, I think pretty much there are only 27 genes of various forms that have been found, so far, to be key to life functions in all types of cells, including bacteria.

I think the picture of bacteria is confounded by viral insertion, gene trading ("sex") in bacteria, as well as certain lineages becoming endobacteria or full organelles of eukaryotic cells.

By defintion, sexual reproduction acts as much of a brake against mutation as it can help sort genes and purify them, and bacteria can multiply into the thousands within 24 hours, so I'm not sure that "Bacteria are so different they can't have an common ancestor" argument is exactly right.

It's possible that they had multiple origins-- many times in the sense that highly divergent lines combined to form new lines with a recklessness impossible in multicellular organisms. Plastids transfer from various lines very easily.

Like Ticklishturtletoe would see it, bacteria are all hackers that rip off code from each other and see if it works or not.

I even remember reading a paper showing that lightning could polarize the membranes of soil bacteria enough for foreign DNA in the soil (from dead organisms) to be taken up whole, for instance. It sounded like a Frankenstein experiment. Wild paper, I gotta find it again somehow.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 21, 2006 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Bon voyage, S'nuke.

I hope you won't run into any Goldilocks on the run and looking for a car just the right size for her. If you do, call the cops on her.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 21, 2006 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Safe travels to everyone going off for the Thanksgiving extravaganza. We really need to pump up the hype on ours in Haute Maine.

2 am - Yikes Scotty.

Posted by: dmd | November 21, 2006 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching Darrin get arrested for teaching evolution. I hope Samantha wiggles her nose and gets him off. Oh! Oh!

Posted by: Boko999 | November 21, 2006 8:06 PM | Report abuse

What I thought is a old rerun of "Bewitched" is actually an old movie called "Inherit the Wind." I remember I don't like this movie because it portrays H.L. Mencken as a carney type conman.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 21, 2006 8:17 PM | Report abuse

ScienceTim said, "What I find weird is that Joel's B.A. is in political science, which just... isn't one. A science, that is. It's more of a Humanity."

One of the three reasons I was glad to go to Queen's University in Kingston Ontario Canada in the mid-seventies was, it did not (and does not now) have a Political Science degree on offer. It was called Political Studies which, I still think, better captures it as a humanity or liberal art rather than a science.

The other two? No fraternities/sororities and professors weren't called professors, but rather Dr. or Ms. or Mr. X. The teachers did indeed profess various disciplines, but the administration was careful not to make a distinction between tenured Profs and junior faculty. This was intentionally done so that we as students did not feel our learning constrained by the elevation of our pedagogues.

Oh, there is fourth reason. Head of School was not President, but Principal. First among equals, as it were.

The reasons I did not enjoy my undergrad years are too numerous to bore you all with, but can be summed up by a part-conversation I heard, during first year, from one of my dorm mates.

"I am just so cross that Daddy wouldn't let me bring my horse with me. Mummy said one of the grooms could bring her down, but..."

Posted by: Yoki | November 21, 2006 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Have a safe trip, S'nuke!

Well, my boss hired my replacement today. She comes on Monday and I'll have four weeks to distill 27 and a half years of experience for her. He lucked out, I think. She's got an outstanding resume. She was also born about the time I went to work for the Fire Department. Yep, definitely time to retire.

Posted by: Slyness | November 21, 2006 8:26 PM | Report abuse

*Cough, cough* *waving away clouds of dust*

Instead of "Bacteria are so different they can't have an common ancestor" I'd say "Bacteria are so different they MIGHT not have an common ancestor". As you point out, bacteria are such free-wheeling, hedonistic swingers when it comes to trading genetic material, they screw up all our usual means of determining relationships.

It remains that there are very few synapomorphies that actually link all the various bacterial groups--in fact, so few that it's plausible that the characters arose independently in different groups. I think the ease with which bacteria trade genetic material actually strengthens the case for multiple origins--gene trading will tend to make organisms appear more closely related than they actually are.

Of course, I'm completely ignoring that nasty question of what exactly life is, or what constitutes an ancestor-descendent relationship in asexual organisms that will trade genes with anyone that happens by.

Posted by: Dooley | November 21, 2006 8:28 PM | Report abuse

"No fraternities/sororities"

One of the reasons I chose my school, too.

Posted by: Dooley | November 21, 2006 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Oh, slyness, whatever will they do without you? I so understand!

When I left the original law firm for which I managed the international practice, all of a sudden the partners got really nervous. I heard many "jokes" about how they should have made me sign a confidentiality agreement and would have to escort me off the premises because I knew *way* too much about the financial statements and contacts and peripheral stuff about the partnership. Of course, if they hadn't insisted on such an agreement at the beginning of my employment, they hadn't a leg to stand on, and it was unnecessary in any case.

I am highly ethical (which they knew, and that's why the comments were 'jokes') but more than that, the really valuable stuff (creativity, interest, approaches, methods, processes, long-term relationships) was all 'up here' and could never be taken away from me (or them). My value is not in my contacts list or precedents bank, but in what I know and do and how I do it.

I feel kinda sorry for your successor, no matter how wonderful she is (and she is!). Of course, in 27.5 years, she'll feel the same way.

Posted by: Yoki | November 21, 2006 8:39 PM | Report abuse

In my mind this is proof enough of alien life forms on the planet:

Posted by: bill everything | November 21, 2006 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I am verklempt! I could not foresee this thing happening to me.

Thank you . . . when I defended my master's thesis, two friends attended. At the conclusion, they stood and did the wave. That's what this feels like.

Before I forget, *the smartest, best organized or most technical*. I am none of those things in my group, but there is comfort in being surpassed by the best.

dmd, discuss away.
jack, I hear you.
TBG, thank you. I was idly wondering just the other day if anyone remembered the etymology of dbG, so thank you for that also.
Yoki, I always feel you know what's important and what's trivial.

Given my second sentence here, I looked up the lyrics. I knew what I'd always heard as *No more will my green seagull turn a deeper blue* was wrong. Close. *my green sea go turn a deeper blue.*

Happy Thanksgiving, all!

Posted by: dbG | November 21, 2006 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Yoki, my value to the organization is not that I know everything, it's that I know where to look...I warned her about how insidious the fire service is. It gets in your blood and you're hooked for life. As long as she can stand on her own feet and get along with everyone, she will do very well.

Posted by: Slyness | November 21, 2006 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, you had me smiling at your description of Queen's as it did not fit with the image I had of it, and then you quoted one of the students and I went yes that sounds more like it.

Carleton had no frats/sororities either, there was talk when we were there that the handicapped students where considering forming one though, since the school was tunneled underground it was quite convienent for students with handicaps and there were a fair number that attended.

Just noticed today that the newly installed President quit (very hush hush) about the reasons.

One more thing, Tim humanities have value too, although I never understood the how Politics was science (alchemy might be as close as it gets).

Posted by: dmd | November 21, 2006 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Dooley, of course, there's the nasty little fact that for most of the history of life, most of life was unicellular anyway.
Maybe WE are the alien transplants who quickly exploited the "native talent" as it were ;).

I finished captioning the photos for Wilbrodog. I wonder if the "rude otter" comment will now make abundant sense to Pat with my current description of the otter picture.

(To read the caption, rest mouse on picture or just install JAWS or whatever Pat does).

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 21, 2006 9:04 PM | Report abuse

dbG Hendrix?

Posted by: Boko999 | November 21, 2006 9:13 PM | Report abuse

They changed the name to Political Science from Political Economy because they didn't get no respect.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 21, 2006 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the humanities. Before I became a Civil Servant, I was what is known as a SETA contractor. This means I provided technical and scientific support to a government program manager. The PM in question was brilliant. He managed a multi-million dollar program populated by a frightening number of technical PHDs. I would watch in awe as this guy would masterfully identify and challenge the key technical weaknesses in jargon-soaked presentations. He amazed me with his ability to separate what was important in the program from what was superficial.

It is my hope that one day I can begin to touch this individual's broad knowledge and practical insights.

He majored in history.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 21, 2006 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't think the change worked :-), I did briefly consider Economics as a study, figured it was perfect for me as they were like weather people, getting the forcast wrong or altering it on the fly. An occupation where being correct is not necessary - that's me!

Posted by: dmd | November 21, 2006 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, RD - the ability to think! That's what the humanities do, they teach you how to think. Amazing skill, that.

Posted by: Slyness | November 21, 2006 9:28 PM | Report abuse

dmd, seeing as I resemble that remark:

Posted by: bigcranky | November 21, 2006 9:32 PM | Report abuse

dmd You shouldn't slander meterologists like that.
One of the first things out of the mouth of my economics teacher was, "we'll assume everyone acts in their best economic interest." I half seriously asked "What if they haven't taken the course?". And so a very rocky relationship began. Things got better when we got to land resource economics. We could match theory and predictions of value to actual sale prices.
The most impressive thing I learned was the use of Multiple Regression Analysis to build valuation models. Playing with the coorelation matrix is a lot of fun.
I confess I don't know how to rumba and attended Community College in Cornwall On.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 21, 2006 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I guess that teacher should have said, Everyone acts in *what they perceive to be* their best economic interest *in the absence of perfect information*.

[Actually, I might have said "what *he or she* perceives to be in *his or her* best economic interest" . . . but that's a whole 'nother career . . .]

Posted by: Tom fan | November 21, 2006 10:00 PM | Report abuse

bigcranky those were very funny.

Boko, that was a pretty big assumption by your teacher. I chose a course in economic history from the 1600's onward and loved it - since everything was in the past right and wrong were less relevant, you could see what went wrong.

Posted by: dmd | November 21, 2006 10:02 PM | Report abuse

By the way, Nubee, have you met my hopelessly-over-his-head-but-still-somehow-lovable-and-always-besieged-on-all-sides-by-the-chattering-classes deputy shop steward, scottynuke? (Also known as scotty.) He's about to leave town for the holid --- well, he'll be back Monday, I guess. I'll re-introduce you to him then.

Have a good holiday, scotty.

Padouk, do they have, ya know, like, take-home doggie bags or boxes up there in Penna Dutch divine food country? Just mildly curious. No big deal if they don't, and you don't bring back, oh, any potato salad. Or cole slaw. Or dumplings. Or ham, or turkey. Or pumpkin pie.

*sobs quietly*

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 21, 2006 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I worked on Space Shuttle software for nearly two decades in one capacity or another. The people in my consulting firm had a variety of backgrounds -- majors in English, history, geography (that's me), economics, and of course some from math and EE. We gradually acquired Computer or Software Engineering grads, but when most of us were in university, there were only a couple of schools that offered that degree -- Purdue, maybe Yale and Stanford, and perhaps a few others. Another interesting characteristic is that about half of us were left handed.

Posted by: LTL-CA | November 21, 2006 10:07 PM | Report abuse

My ex's motto was, "he who dies with the most toys wins." Cars, boats, gadgets, home theater systems, oriental carpets, expensive furniture, etc., etc. For a while I was caught up in it, getting a sort of high from the purchases. I realized eventually that no matter what new possession we acquired, it didn't fill the void in my soul. I don't think my ex has ever had this awakening.

For a long time after the divorce, I lived in a house that was too big. I had two rooms I only entered when the plants needed watering. When I decided to downsize and "S" decided to do the same, we sold our houses and bought this much smaller one. We got rid of loads of stuff by either selling, donating, giving to relatives or just plain throwing stuff away. We still have too much stuff, but at least it's stacked neatly in the cellar. (And I still have way too many clothes, it's my only vice.) We will spend some time over the winter weeding through it all. Like Slyness, I have cleaned out homes after the death of a relative, it is he11.

The idea behind the downsizing was to spend less on housing, save for retirement and have a lower cost of living. Also having a smaller house and yard leaves us more free time to take day trips to interesting places (we've never been to Plimoth -that's how they spell it and no I don't know why - Plantation, speaking of Thanksgiving), visit children and get back to hiking and biking.

How much is enough? I don't feel the need to impress anyone with the size of my house or the cost of my furnishings. True friends don't care about that stuff, no one else's opinion matters to me anymore. I have the things I need for daily living (dishes, linens, appliances and a car) some nice things for special occasions (silver, china, a pan big enough for a turkey). I still have all the possessions that mean something to me, my mom's china teacups and my grandmother's bookcase, for example; these have meaning not because they are valuable monetarily, but because they have "history." And I have things that don't really mean much but I hate to part with and can't get my daughters to take off my hands. So, do I miss my big house? No, but I do miss my walk-in closet. A lot.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | November 21, 2006 10:07 PM | Report abuse

dmd- It's not half the assumption made by theologians. History is a respectable scholarly pursuit, as in the history of science. It's when I run into things like the philosophy of science that my BS antennae start twitching.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 21, 2006 10:16 PM | Report abuse

We moved out of a 3-bedroom house into a very small apartment when I took a new job in a different state. I was *amazed* at all the junk we had collected over the years. We actually had boxes that we had never opened from the previous move! (One of them was full of broken kitchen stuff. Seriously.) We never had any money, so I don't know where all the junk came from. Many truckloads went to Goodwill, many others to the city dump.

That was ten years ago, and now we're in a 3-br house again. I'd like to think that we have a lower tolerance for junk, and for buying stuff just to buy it. We're trying, anyway.

Posted by: bigcranky | November 21, 2006 10:18 PM | Report abuse

LTL-CA, very interesting about all the lefties, I remember when I was pregnant with one of my children and undergoing quite a few ultrasounds I read up on it to see if there were any possible complications that could arise. To my surprise one of the few negatives, and they used that term, was a higher incidence of left-handedness. As a lefty I was very offended.

Bad sneakers love your attitude, I am very lucky and have much more than many and pretty much always have but I do not try to impress, and take more pride in getting a good bargain than worrying that it is the "right brand". My weakness is christmas stuff, I have a pretty good collection, every year my girls get a special ornament, the whole gammit of price ranges - it was a tradition started by my mother in law, when the kids leave home they take their ornaments to have a start on their new life, we still have almost all of my husbands and eclectic assortment of homemade ornaments, special ornaments and ordinary, and all so very special.

Posted by: dmd | November 21, 2006 10:18 PM | Report abuse

>How much is enough?

I don't know, but I have a real jones for a new MiniMoog.

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 21, 2006 10:20 PM | Report abuse

There, there Mudge. ther'll be something special on the Curmudgeon household table too. It's just that you'll have to cook it first.

I have a huge question to ask. I know sweet potatoes is a commonly served thanksgiving dish, but what about turnips? Does anyone serve turnips with their Thanksgiving dinner turkey?

Scotty, bon voyage, have a good trip, drive safe and all. Or fly. Oh heck you know what I mean.

Posted by: dr | November 21, 2006 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Error- Thanks for restating the question.
My Dad beleived that enough is enough. I recall him being pretty emphatic about it on numerous occasions.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 21, 2006 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I thought eight was enough?

Anyway, I was persuaded to report from the frontlines as a service dog today, like a hard-bitten newshound. I'd rather nap.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | November 21, 2006 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Y' know, to follow up on Davies a bit, supposing that all life that we can find (in places where it *can* survive) is similar in nature (homochiralic, Left-handed amino acids, DNA, etc.), it seems to me that it'd be very difficult to determine *what* the origin of said lifeform/material was; be it homegrown or some sort of panspermia. I'm no biology expert, I could be wrong here.

Having said that, with life being as messy as it is, I'd be surprised if we found any life in the Solar System that *wasn't* related to life on Earth. Plenty of material is transferred to Earth from outer space all the time; why wouldn't material from Earth be splashed all over the solar system in some sort of Earthospermia?

I 'spect that there have been enough big meteor hits over the past 3+ Billion years since the beginning of life on Earth for a goodly anount of material - genetic and other wise - to have been splattered over a fair amount of the Solar System's real estate. Too bad we can't block all of the sun's light for a minute except for the soft UV, to make it a big CSI forensics light.

I bet we'd see a pretty big hair-raising mess of our *own* genetic material out there if we did.

And that's another fine mess I doubt we're going to clean up.


Posted by: bc | November 21, 2006 11:26 PM | Report abuse

I've avoided philosophy of science, since science generally seems to escape the philosophers and there's a lot of interesting science out there. An exception was "Tower of Babel: the evidence against the new Creationism" by Robert T. Pennock, then (1999) an assistant professor at the University of Texas, Austin, and now an evidently very busy professor at Michigan State
His demolition of creationism was effective but sort of disappointing--I'd expect that some of the stuff Pennock refuted might actually have been a bit interesting or creative. No such luck. I was left wondering why anyone would waste time bashing such silly stuff--least of all an assistant professor who needs tenure. Well, looks like he got tenured. Good for him.

Meanwhile, the New Yorker startled me--a story on turkeys (the magnificent wild bird, not the cultivated version) mentioned wildlife biologist Lovett Williams right off. I spent my first three years after college working at his wildlife lab in Gainesville. He was of course obsessed by turkeys, and also had the remarkable good taste to have a local architect design him a splendid cracker house, complete with kitchen separated from the living area and a gigantic cypress beam to hold up the roof. He also and somehow persuaded his employer, the Game and Fresh Water Fish Commission, to building an architecturally interesting permanent home for the lab. The only disappointment was that the old cattle trough was far too contaminated to be recycled as a water lily pond. Not bad for someone from somewhere near Chattahoochee and Attapulgus.

Meanwhile, a sale catalog from a university press says they're publishing "Bobcat: master of survival" by Kevin Hansen. These little predators are flourishing, even as bigger cats disappear. Could it be for the same reason that we have lots of coyotes, few wolves? I think instead I might try Nicholas Mooney's "The triumph of the fungi: a rotten history." My father, a medic in the south Pacific during the war, suggested that fungus infections might have been as big a problem as the Japanese. That's about all he ever said about the war.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | November 21, 2006 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, hard cosmic radiation isn't likely to leave DNA intact for millions of years, bc. Not that I've exactly studied the subject, but call it an educated guess.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 21, 2006 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Boko, jones for the Stones, *Paint it Black*

Cassandra, I'm glad that you're that voice. Keep talking.

How much is enough? Like others, I cleaned out the houses of my mother and aunts; the year I got divorced I moved 6 times. All I ask now is that walking into my house feels like a vacation.

My first apartment was a run-up in Beacon Hill. The stairs were so steep that if you just walked you'd fall over backward. The building burnt down one night in early January, after a snow so deep the firetrucks couldn't make it through. At 4 a.m. I crawled over a fire escape to the building next door, with the clothes on my back, some jewelry (what did you expect? It's me!) and my applications to graduate and law school. Lost everything else, but nobody got hurt and I learned I was fine with not-very-much. I felt free.

Posted by: dbG | November 21, 2006 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Dave, I'm not surprised by Lovett Williams. Biology is considered an "IAR" type profession meaning it's investigative, artistic, and realistic (hands-on).

It attracts artistic types with hard-core thinking skills and a taste for hands-on stuff, as well as other types with those strengths in varying levels.

I had a teacher who was an environmental engineer and he spent one whole class discussing how he had designed his house to be energy efficient, with a high, slanted ceiling to help channel down rising hot air from the north exposure and other features.

After all, Gary Larson was a zoology major before he drew "the far side".

Alas, being artistic doesn't mean you always have the talent attached, but he was certainly funny and became an instant favorite of scientists, especially biologists.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 21, 2006 11:45 PM | Report abuse

SonofCarl, found it - April 20,2006:
An ode to Mitzi Fleeberhoffen, to the tune of the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald:

The legend lives on from olde Portsmouthe on down
Of the big whale they call Big Olde Hairie
The Channel, it is said, never gives up her dead
And when a whale farts it just plain is scarie.

With whalers galore, too much poundage more
Than the ship the Von Drehle weighed empty
There was grog to go through and some bones to be chewed
And the cholesterol tests come too early

The ship's crew was a divers set of swabbies
They even took a young scribe named Mitzi
"Young" is the wrong word, for Mitzi was born, I have heard
When Big Olde Hairie was just Lil' Itsy-Bitsy

When supper time came the Wong twins came on deck
Saying fellows it's too rough to feed all you lime-ays
Later that day when they abandoned the Mudge
They said fella maybe we'll come visit on Fridays.

Big Olde Hairie's bowels made a tattletale sound
And all hell broke, the ship fro'ing and to'ing
And every man knew, as the Captain did, too,
T'was no ordinary flatulence brewing.

The Captain, the old salt, saw water coming in
Nothing got by that old deck hand you can see
He deduced from that sight that the ship was in peril that night
So he knew he'd be going down with the Von Dreh-lee.

Does anyone know where the cabin boy goes
When the Captain "does charts" and the sails lay flat
The sailors all say there are soundings to be made
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I'm sorry for that, I couldn't resist
These nautical songs are a set up.
With seamen and poopdecks, my poor inner child
Can just never quite seem to just let up.

Anyhoo, our hero was saved on that bright sunny day
When he hung underwear from the rope thingie
An old salt rowed out and saved our scivvy-less lout
No word on how he covered his dinghy

So that is the tale of how signal flags began
T'was a colourful time in the navy
The only thing more that we just could ask for
Is some damned italics, please, just maybe

The legend lives on from olde Portsmouthe on down
Of the big whale they call Big Olde Hairie
The Channel, it is said, never gives up her dead
And when a whale farts it just plain is scarie.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 21, 2006 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I'm comtemplating a move and asking myself if I really want to store this stuff-- it's just one bedroom apartment's worth of stuff, but even so I could tell you right now over half of what I have, I haven't used in the last year.

Some of my unused stuff are portfolio stuff and key papers, but that's a vanishingly small percentage. And the sad thing is that I downsized since I moved as well.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 21, 2006 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure a certain % belongs to Wilbrodog, too. Maybe most of it.

Posted by: dbG | November 21, 2006 11:54 PM | Report abuse

that was me, complaining about daddy not bringing my horse - er, no, that might have been me if I'd ever actually *had* a horse, not to mention a groom.

My Dad wound up in a very small house, but he managed to stuff everything he had from the last 60 years in it. He had report cards from his days in grade school, for Pete's sake. Made me vow not to do that, although I have a pretty big collection of yarn from unfinished or never started projects.

Hope everyone has a great holiday. I'm already overeating, and I'm sure I'll be overtired at some point (but maybe not since I'm oversleeping every day).

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 22, 2006 12:00 AM | Report abuse

In spirit, all that Wilbrod owns, I own.

However, I'm not allowed on the furniture, except for my own bed, and I don't wear clothes except for my working vest and the occasional rainy-day outfit, so 3/4 of all that stuff definitely belongs to Wilbrod.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | November 22, 2006 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving!
The Stones! Of course!
Good Night!

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and Wilbrod DEFINITELY owns the vacuum. No way I'm owning that thing, even in spirit.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | November 22, 2006 12:08 AM | Report abuse

dr, i just had a conversation with a friend who said he wished his sister would cook turnips for thanksgiving. so apparently they can be construed as thanksgiving least if you want them to be.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | November 22, 2006 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Turnips might be too strong by themselves, but they can add to a stew, braise or pot of vegetables. Also, swap a parsnip for a couple of carrots, to make it sweeter.

Posted by: LTL-CA | November 22, 2006 1:38 AM | Report abuse

An animal on the furniture can come in handy at times. The dog or one of the cats usually sleeps by my feet, performing the valuable service of pinning down the blankets so they don't fall on the floor, which keeps me warm all night.

Posted by: LTL-CA | November 22, 2006 2:28 AM | Report abuse

I just need to say that SonofCarl did a really magnificent job on that song, An Ode to Mitzi Fleeberhoffen.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 22, 2006 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, friends. DbG, thanks for the heads up. According to Eugene Robinson's op-ed piece this morning, we all need to be talking. A great read for anyone interested in race, and its impact on our society.

Boko, I laughed out loud at your 9:52 comment. You sound like a real character.

I don't believe I could ever get too many or too much of books. I love books. And thank you folks, I am still receiving books.

Scotty, have a great time, not a good time, but a great time. And please be careful. I hope everyone's Turkey Day is the best. If traveling, take care, and enjoy your time off.

Slyness, it certainly sounds like retirement is in the picture for you. I hope you enjoy it to the fullest.

Mudge, feeling better? All those foods you sighed over are not good for you, but I can understand the desire. I love the stuff (food) that not good for me too.

The g-girl is still here, and I believe she's catching a cold. We were out yesterday, and here we had ice with the rain. Her mother is due for Thanksgiving. I will be glad to see her, and hopefully my grandsons too.

It's still raining, so no walk. And it is so cold, with a lot of wind. I believe this weather will continue through Thanksgiving.

Got to go. The g-girl is up and of course, moving. I've said my prayers this morning, and as always asked God to supply your needs, no matter what they are. Have a safe and joyful Thanksgiving Day, loving your families, giving God some of your time, and getting some much needed rest. And always remembering that God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, Error and Nani. Have a great Holiday.

Posted by: Cassandra S | November 22, 2006 6:39 AM | Report abuse

Hubby checked the rain gauge at 6:15 this morning: 3 and a half inches. And it's supposed to rain all day. No drought here! But tomorrow is supposed to be nice, and Friday will be clear and pleasant so we can get our Christmas tree.

Hope everyone has a safe and happy Thanksgiving!

Posted by: slyness | November 22, 2006 8:04 AM | Report abuse

*Whaddayamean not yet? How many days of Thanksgiving anyways? 3, 4, 12?
These Americans are crazy! Why not just sacrifice a virgin and have done with it? Well, they're not looking hard enough. Sshh* Ahem.

Good Morning.
I'm informed that it's not Thursday quite yet. So, Happy Thanksgiving Eve!
What great new lyrics for TWOTEF. Several of the sea shanties I'm familiar with give a prominent position to the cabin boy. You wouldn't think his function was so important. Oh well I'm only a landlubber.
The only ditty I know eschews cabin boys in favour of a fair young maiden.
So, lean back on your wooden legs, light up your hornpipes and I'll give you "Barnacle Bill the Sailor."

*What? Ya think?*
You'll have to get him yourself.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 8:26 AM | Report abuse

dbG, I feel so silly. My husband is a DBG because those are his initials. I don't remember (or remember even knowing) the etymology of your handle.

Posted by: TBG | November 22, 2006 8:34 AM | Report abuse

TGB- You only went out with DBG's? I read about a young lady in San Deigo who only dated CV's

Posted by: Salty999 | November 22, 2006 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Did y'all see this about Bush's latest appointment?

On Monday, the federal office that oversees the nation's family-planning program got a new boss who doesn't believe in birth control. Eric Keroack is a Massachusetts obstetrician-gynecologist who argues that abstinence until marriage is the only healthy choice for women. Until recently, he served as medical director of a pregnancy-counseling organization that runs down contraception and gives out scientifically false health information--for instance, that condoms "offer virtually no protection" against herpes or HPV. Keroack also promotes a wacky piece of pseudoscience: the claim that premarital sex disrupts brain chemistry so as to create a physiological barrier to happy marriage.

Posted by: TBG | November 22, 2006 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Slyness, there's so much rain here the courtyard looks like a swimming pool. And I've been out in it. To the laundry room. I don't know how many inches we've gotten, but from the looks of the yards, quite a bit.

This rain is coming from the east, usually we get it from the west. We certainly cannot complain of a lack, that's for sure. And in all this, I have to find entertainment for the little one because we cannot go outside. The dummy tube will have to do. Of course, we love Spongebob.

Posted by: Cassandra S | November 22, 2006 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Ha! I married him because his middle initial is B.

And he's the only guy I ever dated who is taller than I am.

Seems to have worked out, though.

Posted by: TBG | November 22, 2006 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Turnips are absolutely de rigueur with turkey at our house. We use the small tender white and purple ones (not the big yellow-fleshed swedes) and steam them with an equal volume of carrots; put them through the coarse disk of the food mill, stir in a little butter and salt and pepper. Yum. #2 does not like them, but that's OK.

In the classic "I Heard the Owl Call My Name" one of the old native American elders in the West Coast village says that they always prepared turnips when the white priests came to the village. Why? "I never met a white man liked a turnip."

You know what else is splendid with turkey? German-style red cabbage sauteed with some onion and apple and then braised with a touch of apple cider vinegar and some honey or brown sugar and a pinch of salt. Sweet and sour and a beautiful rich royal blue or purple on the plate. Best if made a day ahead and allowed to mellow and blend overnight (just a bonus, with a big dinner to get on the table).

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Yoki... can you post the entire recipe for that braised cabbage? It sounds sooooo good. I'd love to make it for tomorrow.

Posted by: TBG | November 22, 2006 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, I was never a fan of turnip until I had it at a friends house, it was cooked much like you described, with carrots the result was very tasty.

TBG - re Bush's newest appointment, I can only say - Oh my. What exactly is the national family planning program, I do not believe we have anything similar (Canucks am I wrong?).

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Morning! *Panting, out of breath from boodle-skimming*

Yoki, the horse comment reminded me of an utterance I overheard in grad school: "I want a degree so that the only time I have to deal with non-professionals is when I need to take a cab." As the first in my family to go to college, it took considerable restraint on my part to control Fist of Death.

Re: stuff. The Spousal Unit is a collecto (motto: "You never know when you might need this.") Any tips on how to control it, other than to order a dumpster when he's out of town?

Posted by: Raysmom | November 22, 2006 9:07 AM | Report abuse

That's an excellent in-depth article on that guys nonsense. The peice I read (Salon?) focused on the phoney research organizations and think tanks these liars use to back up their dangerous misinformation. When does the "Bear False Witness" restriction kick in?

I'm sad to read that you discriminate against the vertically challenged.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Thinking in terms of "how much is enough", palm and cycad collections tend to get out of hand. Or the guy with 150 rose bushes in the yard. At least collecting plants is possibly less damaging than collecting stray cats. Last night, I saw a recent Chinese movie in which a music teacher's house has unkempt cats, which his student catches and puts in a cage one day. The teacher explains that they were all strays, rescued from the street. Later, you find that not only the cats are strays. Kaige Chen, "Together"

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | November 22, 2006 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Raysmom, my husband used to be quite the collector, he attached great sentimental value to things, over the years he has improved and gotten rid of many things that "we never know when we might need", we still have a few boxes of "collectibles" and an assortment of old sporting equipment. My favorite is the lacrosse stick last used probably in the 70's, it has been carefully stored in the rafters of every home we have lived in - cause you just never know one of the kids may play one day.

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 9:16 AM | Report abuse

dmd, the National Family Planning Program, also known as Title X, was (is) a program set up by Nixon in 1970 to provide family planning advice, sex education and guidance, etc., to poor people. However, one of its structures was that no Title X funds could be used to pay for abortions.

Found this on the Sierra Club site (why in blazes the Sierra Club had it I have no idea, but they do):

"What is Title X?
Title X, the National Family Planning Program established in 1970, provides high quality reproductive healthcare and contraceptive services to American women. Title X funds are used to enable clinics to provide an assortment of preventative health services, including contraceptive services, gynecological exams, pregnancy testing, STD (Sexually Transmitted Diseases) risk prevention counseling, screening for cervical and breast cancer; screening for high blood pressure, anemia, and diabetes; screening for STDs; including HIV; basic infertility services; health education; and referrals for other health social services."

"Title X funds prohibit the use of program funds to pay for abortions. Women facing an unintended pregnancy receive non-directive counseling only regarding all of their available options, including prenatal care and delivery; infant care, foster care, or adoption; and pregnancy termination."

"Where Do People Receive Title X Services?
4600 clinics nationwide provide Title X services subsidized by Title X monies in every state. State, county and local health departments run the majority (57%) of clinics that receive Title X funds."

That Bush has appointed this maroon to head it comes as no surprise. It's all part of the rightwing attempt to dismantle major parts of the federal government. They've got two more years of this nonsense to go, and then we just rebuild what they've destroyed.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 22, 2006 9:20 AM | Report abuse

SonofCarl, that was beautiful. Bravo.

I agree that Robinson's Op-Ed this AM is well worth consideration. Cassandra, I'd love to hear a conversation between you and Gene.

Wilbrod, I presume that you don't subscribe to panspermia theories of life on Earth and possibly elsewhere in the universe? DNA could surely not stand millions of years of direct cosmic radiation, it *might* survive in the nooks and crannies of a rock, places that are not exposed directly to light during the traverse. Also, I'm sure that scraps of life or material could hitchhike on/in shielded probes that we humans have sent to other planets. The various space agencies have taken precautions to prevent such things from happening, but there's no telling exactly how effective those precautions have been. As it turns out, life (or building blocks for it) seems to be hardier than we give it credit for; see those extremeophiles in deep sea vents and in glaciers, and the amino acids in meteorites.

There *are* oases in the solar system where life might gain purchase, particularly amongst the gas giants and their moons.

And they've detected amino acids in interstellar clouds, haven't they?

As far as alien life on this planet goes, I think we've *all* grokked that "Stranger in a Strange Land" feeling for ourselves at one time or another.

Based on the evidence I've seen so far, I consider the term "alien life" an oxymoron.


Posted by: bc | November 22, 2006 9:31 AM | Report abuse

It sounds like a worthy program, I hope they do not destroy it. We do have similar clinics but I think they are run on a local basis.

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 9:31 AM | Report abuse

"Hi, Cousin," I cheerfully chimed as an initial greeting last Wednesday, though I had never met my cousin Doro Bush Koch before.

I was Number 36 in line for her to sign the copy of her $30 book, "My Father, My President: A Personal Account of the Life of George H.W. Bush," that I had just purchased after I crossed the threshold at The Twig on Broadway. I had read the reviews and knew that many considered the text hagiography.

After the first 20 individuals had formed a line to the right of where Doro sat, I was able to grab a chair directly across from the signing table, where I could observe Doro quite closely. She was very gracious with all the people that she was meeting, pausing to talk several minutes with each, and posing for numerous photos.

She was nicely dressed in a black knit decolletage pantsuit, with a multiple strand black-shell necklace. She wore heels, which made her tall, and because she is a mother of four, she is rather stout in the middle. Doro is very pretty in the face. What surprised me the most about Doro, though, was the little-girl timbre of her voice.

I ducked into line when she was signing Number 35's book. After I greeted her, she asked, "We're related?" After signing her own book, I politely asked if she would sign Nathaniel Philbrick's book, "Mayflower," and I explained that this is where our common ancestor, Experience Mitchell, lived--in Plymouth Colony. I told her that I thought that Nate Philbrick wouldn't mind her signature in his book.

The name threw her off, so I explained that Philbrick is the author of the current "Mayflower." While she was penning her name a second time, I then went on to explain that my distant great-grandmother Mary, whose last name is unknown and who was the second wife of Experience Mitchell, was, in all likelihood, the stepmother to her distant great-grandmother, Elizabeth Cooke. Elizabeth was one of the children Jane Cooke had with Experience Mitchell, Jane being Experience's first wife.

Jane Cooke was the daughter of woolcomber Francis Cooke and his Walloon wife. It is Francis Cooke who arrived on the Mayflower, and who originally hailed from Blyth, England, in Nottinghamshire. Jane Cooke and Experience Mitchell arrived on the same ship in 1623 at Plymouth Colony, not yet married to each other.

Doro stammered, "So, you're interested in...? Interested in....?" She seemed to grasp for the word twice, but couldn't manage it. "Yes, genealogy, very much so," I replied. Sadly, author Kitty Kelley paints Barbara Bush as a socialite, and the Bush household as without an enclyclopedia when the kids were small. This was my second surprise in my encounter with Doro, but gave her the benefit of the doubt, as genealogy just simply may not be her interest.

I explained that the Cookes were antecedents on Flora Sheldon Bush's line--Precott's mother, who died so tragically in 1920 at the age of 48 when a car slammed into her.

I didn't have time to explain that I'm descended from Sarah Cooke or to talk about Francis Cooke's grandson, Caleb Cooke, who, along with a native soldier, were the ones to shoot King Phillip, thus ending King Phillip's War. But I did slip in the second bloodline that we share, the Plantagenet line.

I wanted to talk about the current war, if given the opportunity. At that point, her assistant, discerning that we are distantly related, asked if I wanted my picture taken. I stuttered, "But I didn't bring a camera." (as others had). The assistant indicated that I would be having my picture taken with Doro's camera.

Through a frozen facial expression of a smile and clenched teeth, I explained to Doro that I was the one who challenged her father with a question when he was onstage last spring at our local Trinity University.

I tried to explain my lifetime best friend's tragic life, and how her son is now in Iraq on his second tour. I asked Doro to try to bring him home--to save Staff Sgt. Ryan. My time with the author Doro was up. Number 37 was now approaching the table, his book open so that Doro could sign. But I firmly and unflinchingly gave Doro young Ryan's full name, not once, but twice.

"Thanks, Cousin," I chimed cheerfully when leaving.

I paid $30 for access. Having my picture taken was a surprise. Whatever will Doro do with it? I would pay $300 to bring Ryan home, or $3,000 or $30,000 or $300,000 or $3 million, if I had it. Will Doro consider my request as returning an very old historical family favor? I fervently wish it. Will my request and snapshot land anywhere near the President's turkey dinner? I fervently wish it. What will Ryan's Thanksgiving be like in Iraq, he the descendant of William Pynchon, an original patentee of the Massachusetts Bay Colony? At least pleasant, I hope.

For the Boodle, my sincerest wishes for a meaningful, safe, and happy holiday.

Posted by: Linda Loomis | November 22, 2006 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Good morning to you too Cassandra! Hope you're feeling well.

>Turnips might be too strong by themselves

Reminds of the The Black Adder. There was this episode where they had a huge turnip that looked just like... oh nevermind.

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 22, 2006 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Boko, as a vertically challenged person myself, I share your umbrage at TBG and her brutal, callous disregard for us stature-deprived personages. Nevertheless, I have met TBG and her husband both, and must report that -- my umbrage notwithstanding -- they are very nice people, even though they are indeed tall, and I have decided not to hold this minor but still egregious character flaw against them. They can't really help how they were born. We have to be big about this. Er, that's of course a metaphor, in my case.

Sky report for Pat: Wish I had better news, Pat. It's gray, and a bit windy (unpleasantly so): a day some people call "raw." The sky is completely dull and cloudy, with some low-flying scud. That big storm system off the Carolina and Virginia coast is moving northwesterly and is about 20 yards SW of us, and will be here soon; it is the rain that is now drenching Cassandra and g-girl. I think I can best sum it up as: cold and yucky. Soon to be wet, cold, and yucky. The typical "dismal November in my soul," to quote Ishmael at the beginning of Moby-Dick (or "Moi Bei Dich," in the Franco-German).

There's a headline up on the WaPo home page right now that just makes me laugh and laugh: ""Homeland Security Lax on Contracting Rules." My oh my, who EVER would have thought the Arbusto administration would be lax on such matters, especially after the very tight ship they ran on Katrina and Iraq. And everyone knows how good Republicans are at handling money and budgets, compared to those profligate ol' Democrats. I'm shocked, shocked I say.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 22, 2006 9:38 AM | Report abuse

It's been cruel that I have had to work and catch up around the house and fulfil social obligations AND my computer crashed last night so I've been deprived of the Achenblog at a time when the subject is one that is so close to my heart. So I'm glad it's still on-topic to talk about conservation today.

First of all, on the subject of time: Joel, I understand exactly what you mean but I invite you to contemplate that we all have all the time in the world because we have the present moment, eternally. That's only mumbo-jumbo if you don't understand it. When it becomes clear, it's just the plain truth. [Hi, Dreamer!]

Regarding the carbon footprint, I like the analogy several people endorsed of the diet concept. Relative to what you're doing now, if you aren't happy with your condition, you need to make a change. If you're overweight, eat less and exercise more. If your carbon footprint is too big, consume less, increase your efficiency. How much is enough? We don't know, but something is better than nothing.

I think of it as just being open to change, which to many of us is the Big Problem. The first objective has to be to try not to panic at the thought that your life might not always be just the way it is right now.

My two examples, one large and one small:

People who have been reading this blog for less than 15 months didn't hear the story about my car being stolen last summer. It was uninsured so I looked for alternatives, not being willing to buy another one at that time. I took the bus to work a couple of times and then tried riding my bike, and I discovered that I really liked using the bike for transportation. I've been riding it to work ever since, even though my car was recovered a few days after it was stolen. About two months ago I got a new bike, and started keeping track of the mileage. In the month of October I rode my bike 305 miles; during that period I drove my car a total of 165 miles. The most important point I would like to make about this is something I've said before: whatever advantage it is to the environment or the community for me to use my bicycle as transportation, that benefit is VERY SMALL compared to the benefits I am receiving in terms of time management and health improvements and general lifestyle upgrade.

Example two: I used to use two styrofoam cups every day at work. We got a new co-worker who was very ecology-conscious and she did a little campaign to get people to stop using styrofoam. As soon as she mentioned it to me, I realized my behavior was bad; I just hadn't been thinking about it. The next day I brought a mug from home and I haven't used a styrofoam cup since then. Again, the health advantages are probably more than the environmental benefits. You just can't lose with this stuff.

Bottom line: what do you really want, other than happiness? Isn't everything you do just in pursuit of happiness? Using more energy won't make you happier. Simplifying your life will.


mostlylurking, thank you for the Arlo link! (I'm so far behind!!!)

Posted by: kbertocci | November 22, 2006 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Yoki's Red Cabbage

1 head red cabbage (1.5 to 2 lbs)
4 slices bacon (or 2 T. unsalted butter)
2 large onions
2 large tart apples (Granny Smith)
1 t. salt
1/4 c. apple cider vinegar
1 T. brown sugar or honey

Peel the outer leaves from the cabbage, quarter and core it. Shred roughly and soak the shredded cabbage briefly in cold water.

In a large heavy saucepan (about 6 quarts - not raw cast iron) saute the bacon until the fat is rendered out and the bacon is crisp (or melt the butter).

Thinly slice the onions and saute them in the butter/bacon fat until pale golden and translucent.

Thinly slice or coarsely chop the apples and saute them briefly with the onions.

Remove the cabbage from the water and shake a few times to remove excess water. Add to the pot.

Stir in the salt, vinegar and sweetener and stir well. Turn down the heat so the cabbage is barely simmering and cover. Braise for up to 1 hour, checking occasionally to stir and check that there is enough moisture to keep the cabbage from burning on the bottom. Add a little water from time to time if necessary. You don't want it wet, but moist.

When the cabbage is very tender and a velvety purple and most of the water is absorbed, remove from heat. Taste for seasoning and adjust.

Allow the cabbage to cool, and then rest overnight in the refrigerator to mellow. Heat before serving. If necessary, just before serving stir in an additional 1 T. vinegar to sharpen the flavours.

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 9:40 AM | Report abuse

>First of all, on the subject of time: Joel

"Time, time, what is time? Swiss manufacture it, French hoard it, Italians squander it, Americans say it is money, Hindus say it does not exist.

I say Time is a crook."

(Peter Lorre in "Beat The Devil")

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 22, 2006 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Error, have you seen Black Adder's first cousin, Mr. Bean? I consider the turkey episode the finest moment in televison history. Mr. Bean cooks like I do.

I never used to like turnips, but my sister in law introduced them. They use the yellow ones, mashed and mixed with a white sauce, topped with bread crumbs and cheddar cheese and baked. Divine. Can one use the word divine in connection to turnips?

Posted by: dr | November 22, 2006 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Random stuff in between prepping for tomorrow (pies to make, turkey to brine, etc.). When I mentioned Plimoth Plantation last night I said that I didn't know why it was spelled that way. I looked it up and apparently back then they tended to spell it both ways. When the plantation was created here, they opted for the different spelling to differentiate it from all the other attractions in Plymouth, among which the "rock" has got to be the stupidest. I've stood there when tourists come up to it and say, "that's it?" with such disappointment in their voices.

Error, I just ordered Black Adder III. I loved that series and need to show my daughters, who love Hugh Laurie in "House," a younger and sublimely silly Hugh. It always puzzles me how I could love Rowan Atkinson in the BA series and yet find no humor in his Mr. Bean character.

A very boring sky report here. It's overcast and dreary. We'll be getting that Nor'easter tomorrow. Last night as the sun set, the sky was a bright gold which bathed everything in a beautiful warm glow.

I can't get past the odor of turnips. My mom used to cook them sometimes, I have never eaten them and life is too short, and there are too many other foods to enjoy, for me to try them now.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | November 22, 2006 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Bad Sneakers, were you close enough to hear the explosion last night?

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Mudge - I agree that we must be nice to the overbearing people amongst us. As the ozone layer continues to degrade they will become important sources of shade.

bc- CBC's "Quirks and Quarks" radio program reported the dicovery of silicon dioxide and water molecules on the sun. While the putative beaches may be too hot for sunbathing perhaps midnight skinny-dipping may be possibe.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Off today, although I was beeped last night so am getting a late start. Shortly, I'm off to get everything to serve 11 friends tomorrow.

dr, Mr. Bean and the turkey is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Thanks for the memory.

TBG, no worries. After I posted I remembered those were his initials.

Cassandra, you go!

kb, you're inspirational. You're wearing a helmet, right?

I'm adding a new thing to this Thanksgiving. My mother's cucumbers in sour cream. I thought something chilled, refreshing and pink would be good. My best friend is bringing her mother's mashed turnips, butter & heavy cream, a little nutmeg, heaven.

(Happy T-day)-1!

Posted by: dbG | November 22, 2006 10:20 AM | Report abuse

No, dmd, Danvers is about 20 miles north of Boston, I'm about 30 miles south. It is a terrible thing but thankfully, no one was killed. It will be interesting to see what caused it.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | November 22, 2006 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Umbrage! Umbrage!

Didn't you read what I said? DBG was the FIRST person I dated who was taller than I am!

That means that I have had no problem with, er.. vertically challenged men.

I didn't say that was the reason I married him.. I just pointed out a fact.

Whew. Umbrage over.

Posted by: TBG | November 22, 2006 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Watching George Bush extend an executive pardon to a turkey is too sad to be funny.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Yellow turnip mashed with carrots (say 50-50), a generous pat of butter and a bit of salt and parsley is a staple at the denizens' house. Turnip is also great in couscous. Roasted turnip is a flavourful addition to a mish-mash of roasted root vegetables. I'm getting hungry here. Do you know that the Laurentian strain of yellow turnip is pretty much the only one commercially cultivated?
This was brought to you by the Turnip Marketing Board.
"Eat Turnip even before it is the only thing left in the root cellar"

dmd, family planning is mostly a health issue, so it is squarely under provincial jurisdiction. This is one area where the feds haven't ventured (yet) with their "right to spend" and this is a good thing. Most provinces have family planning programs that run in local health venues and it seems to work fine enough.

Turkey notes. As a kid we lived a few years in a region where turkeys were raised. Every early October I saw the trucks loaded with turkeys followed by a storm of white feathers passing by. I marveled back then at the efficiency of a distribution chain that could put a turkey gobbling way on Thursday on the table by the next (Canadian Thanksgiving) Sunday. Ah, the innocence of youth.

Good Thanksgiving to all.

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 22, 2006 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Haven't seen Mr. Bean yet but that character reminds me more of the early Black Adder when Edmund was such a wimp. I prefer the rogue.

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 22, 2006 10:34 AM | Report abuse

SCC gobbling away, shoot.

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 22, 2006 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Hugh Laurie's Bertie Wooster against Stephen Fry's Jeeves was perfect. I'll never be able to read P.G. Wodehouse the same way again. You can't beat English TV comedy.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I heart Hugh Laurie.

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Thought boodlers may find this interesting. One of Canada's 3 WW1 vets still living is an American who has declined the state funeral should he be the last. I would have no qualms no matter his citizenship.

Posted by: dr | November 22, 2006 10:41 AM | Report abuse

dbG: yes, of course. Good point, thanks for mentioning it.

Posted by: kbertocci | November 22, 2006 10:42 AM | Report abuse

dr, I saw something about that yesterday, apparently he moved to the US after the war. The families are able to decline the offer, there was also talk of possible full military funeral for all three if the family wanted but I do not know if that got approval.

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Handle: omni
State, province, or country of residence: none: I live and play in DC (I'm taxed but not represented)
Gender: XY
Age: too old to rock and roll, too young to die
Marital status: nope
Number and ages of children: see Marital Status
All degrees and granting institutions: AA from BCCC
Names and types of pets: I wish I had a cat and a dog, damned landlord
Social Security Number: playing it safe with a 401K, a pension, and a Roth IRA
ATM PIN: assigned
Glaucoma Test Pilot License Status: makes me too paranoid to fly

bc you should read 'Hocus Pocus' by Vonnegut if you haven't already.

"The Protocols of the Elders of Tralfamadore"

Boodler count:103 and still rising.

Posted by: omni | November 22, 2006 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Bean has a nasty streak too Error, it just doesn't show up as much. He steals parking spaces (in strange ways), cheats in many ways, cuts up his teddy bear to fit it in his suitcase, etc. The turkey episode is priceless but the set where they shot that must have been a terminal case salmonella contamination. I would have to wash my hair for a week after wearing a turkey hat. The turkey show will be shown again at the house around Christmas, it is a family classic. My personal favourite is the one in which Bean paint his apartment by blowing-up a can of paint with a cherry bomb. Every grape in the grape cluster gets individually wrapped in newspaper; that is silly and anal retentive.

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 22, 2006 10:58 AM | Report abuse

So Borat is your new family planning Czar? (just looking at the photo).

For the Canadians, I thought Belinda Stronach was our national family planner? What? Oh, "planner"; I was thinking of something different.

re: Edmund Fitzgerald lyrics. For those of you that didn't know, Mitzi Fleeberhofen is Curmudgeon's real name. IIRC, Mitzi is a 16 year old resident of Falls Church, VA.

Speaking of WW I - the WW I Black Adder episodes are the best IMHO.

Posted by: SonofCarl | November 22, 2006 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I guess I should note that I'm only adding handles that have posted at least twice. So it's possible that someone who posted today and before a long time ago (which could possibly mean yesterday) might not make it onto the list.

Posted by: omni | November 22, 2006 11:04 AM | Report abuse

another note is that the list does contain boodlers who no longer participate in the boodlin'

Posted by: omni | November 22, 2006 11:06 AM | Report abuse

When I first saw the photo of our new family planing guy, I thought it was Saddam. I'm just saying.

Posted by: bigcranky | November 22, 2006 11:13 AM | Report abuse

SoC- I must violetly disagree (check the colour of my face). The Regency episodes of the Blackadder Saga are far superior to any of the others.
I expressed my admiration for the Blackadder programmes to an English relative. Her response was that she found them sophomoric.
Er, Ya!

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I just ordered one of the Wooster and Jeeves tapes from Netflix, I am hoping against hope that it shows up today so I can play it for the daughters tomorrow. The post office here is very, very slow. The weekly magazines rarely show up until the following week and I'm still getting mail for the previous owners almost 6 months later. Maybe it's because I'm mostly of English descent, but I too just love their humor (except for Benny Hill and Mr. Bean). And Hugh Laurie is my dream man.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | November 22, 2006 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Oh, sure. Tokenism, TBG. Just tokenism. We are not amused.

(Yes we are.)

Boko, LOL at your 10:30.

My wife remarked this morning that today is November 22 --a date that people "our age" would remember. So RIP, JFK.

(Also, it's our first adopted daughter's "Gotcha Day." Happy gotcha day, Cassie.)

And of course it wouldn't be Thanksgiving Season without a reference to that wonderful WKRP in Cincinnati episode where where Les Nesman drops live turkeys from an airplane, and in horror watches them plummet to the ground. Side-splitting.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 22, 2006 11:33 AM | Report abuse

As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

Posted by: Gordon Jump | November 22, 2006 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, thanks for the memory. "Oh, the humanity!"

Posted by: Raysmom | November 22, 2006 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Mudge, can't stop smiling at the WKRP reference.

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Oh, Jeez. WaPo just posted a ridiculous photo of Bush pardoning the turkey. Bush has his hand on the turkey's neck and --er -- appears to be pushing the turkey's head down to his crotch. And the look on Bush's face is priceless.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 22, 2006 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Ya, I like the Blackadder series' too.
All of 'em.

The WKRP turkey giveaway is one of the all-time classic moments in TV history, no question.

In light of recent events, I'm still trying to figure out it's passed the "I'm out!" moment on Seinfeld.

Gotta admit, I've never read "Hocus Pocus", omni. I may have to, now.


Posted by: bc | November 22, 2006 11:44 AM | Report abuse

That photo is not exactly dignified is it?

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Bush looks like Jon Stewart doing Bush.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | November 22, 2006 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Best WKP episode ever.

OH The Humanity!!

Posted by: Kerric | November 22, 2006 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Back to an earlier discussion, just reading the article on Keroack, he will head the HHS's Office of Population Affairs. Is that not government speak at is worst.

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 11:50 AM | Report abuse

SCC: WKRP of course...
really, I need to learn how to use this thing.

Posted by: Kerric | November 22, 2006 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I just read Peter Whoriskey's article on the GA anti sex-offender law. The mindlessness of this is unbelievable.

I am wholly against sex offenders being allowed in certain areas, but to kick sick people out of their homes, and hospital beds???

//The residency law applies not only to sexual predators but to all people registered for sexual crimes, including men and women convicted of having underage consensual sex while in high school.//

Alright, seriously. What the heck? So a person has "consensual sex" when they and their partner are underage and get caught, and suddenly they can no longer live at home? Kicking a teenager out of the community for having sex with his or her girl/boyfriend?

I don't know nut there is something wrong with a law that takes people in dependant situations and leaves them and their families high and dry.

Posted by: Kerric | November 22, 2006 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Kerric, The "Oh the humanity line" lifted that scene from hilarious to excrutiating.
A great moment in American Sitcom, right up there with "The Death of Chuckles the Clown" on Mary Tyler Moore.
To paraphrase James Carville, "It's the writing Stupid"

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 12:18 PM | Report abuse

yoki, thanks for the recipe. sounds great.

happy thanksgiving and safe travels to everyone!

Posted by: L.A. lurker | November 22, 2006 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The thing that really gets my goat, is that this law will place parents of children caught having sexual acts in the same boat as a serial rapist, because "They didn't do enough to prevent the child from having sexual intercourse".

Has any parent ever truly been able to prevent their teen from doing something, if that child is intent? From going anywhere?

I think not.

Posted by: Kerric | November 22, 2006 12:27 PM | Report abuse

check out these colorful celebrity pans:

Posted by: L.A. lurker | November 22, 2006 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd just settle for an uniform marriage law in the US that says nobody under say, 17 can get married. Look at that polygamy case in Utah... the girl was 14. Now, that is actually a LEGAL age to get married in Utah. The only issue here, Utah law-wise, is of coercion.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 12:46 PM | Report abuse

A quick topical Thanksgiving greeting from me to everyone in the Boodle:


Posted by: bc | November 22, 2006 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Something interesting happened in France yesterday. You will be able to turn on all your appliances.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I loved WKRP when it was on television. And the guy that played the lead on that show was too good for words. In fact, to my way of thinking he was the show. Howard, something, can't remember his last name.

And the picture of our President with the turkey did not look good. Who took that picture? They had to be waiting for the right moment.

Kb, you are so right about the things we can do to help environmentally, also help our good health. Thanks for thinking of me.

The rain has slowed down some, but it is windy. And cold. G-girl and I had soup for lunch.

I'm not cooking for Thanksgiving. We went yesterday and got a box from the food bank, but I don't feel like cooking a big meal. We will probably go over to my father's house, that is where everyone will be, and enjoy each other and give thanks.

Haven't heard from you Ivansmom, hope your holiday is good, and that you and the boy have a great time, and your spouse.

I love turnips, just hate to clean and fix them, but enjoy them a lot. It's a lot of work because sometimes they're so gritty.

Posted by: Cassandra S | November 22, 2006 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Howard Hesseman

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Howard Hesseman

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Not my fault the boodle said it didn't accept the first post.

Posted by: Mary Hartman999 | November 22, 2006 1:27 PM | Report abuse

My email and computer is not working so good. Something called "ultimate defender" puts these huge signs all over my computer, and it's like the thing has a life of its own. I am so frustrated with it I just want to hammer it in the ground. If you're trying to reach me through email, forget it. And I don't know what to do about this thing, I don't want it and did not register for it. Must have hit the wrong key somewhere. I can't even see what I'm typing half the time.

Anybody out there know what I can do other than taking a hammer to this computer?

Posted by: Cassandra S | November 22, 2006 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I updated the pic over in the 10thcircle, it's a little clearer now.


Posted by: bc | November 22, 2006 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Technically, however, the lead on WKRP was Andy, played by Gary Sandy, IIRC.

I always had a crush on Bailey Quarters (Jan Smithers).

Only Jan Smithers' last name was supplied to me by IMDb. The rest of it, I knew. I am doomed.

Posted by: StorytellerTim | November 22, 2006 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Yoki... my husband just walked in the door and said, "Wow! That smells good." He was surprised to see a big pot of purple stuff cooking.

Thanks for the recipe. I have a feeling you're going to be very popular at my sister's house tomorrow.

Posted by: TBG | November 22, 2006 1:45 PM | Report abuse

You've caught a bad case of spyware. Do not follow any of the instructions it gives you. I'll try to find a safe free site to help you remove it.
This nasty stuff reminds me of the Gahan Wilson cartoon depicting kid's at a booth selling lemonade. Around the corner you see a customer crawling towards kids selling Lemonade Antidote.

"One small step for a Gnargh, a giant leap for Gnarghkind"
Sorry different cartoon

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't there a show called, "Mary Hartman" on television at one time. She was sort of the daffy bag lady without the bag. I used to watch her show too. It's been so long ago. Some of these shows were considered cutting edge for television at the time because of their theme or the subjects they tackled, never done before on TV.

Posted by: Cassandra S | November 22, 2006 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Hi, guys *waving*. Just a quick drop-in to wish all a great Thanksgiving. Would be nice if the downpour let up by tomorrow--hate driving up 270 in the rain. Been a long haul for a short week--emergency root canal on Monday; Tuesday was hangover day from the Vicodin, but still had to go to that night meeting. Wife didn't sleep well last night, so she's a bit cranky today. At least the cat seems to be well on the mend. Will touch base over the weekend as I can.

Posted by: ebtnut | November 22, 2006 1:56 PM | Report abuse

The day before I am to host my first thanksgiving, I find a mouse has moved in.

Wilbrodog is no help finding the mouse again.
He apparently has known for a while and gave up on telling me. I blame myself for getting him used to the idea of pet rodents.
I. do. not. want. any. mouse. as. a. pet.

So I am at this point ready to go out to a restaurant instead for Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The rest of the WKRP cast from memory (my misses are surrounded by asterisks:

Venus Flytrap - Tim Reid (later on 'Sister, Sister')
Johnny *'Dr. Fever' Caravella*- Howard Hesseman
Jennifer *Marlowe* the Blonde Secretary - Loni Anderson
Les Nessman (newsguy with tape on the floor for his office) - *Richard Sanders*
Herb Tarlac the Sleazy Salesguy - *Frank Bonner*
*Arthur Carlson* "Big Guy" - Gordon Jump

And I loved Bailey way more than Jennifer. Shy girls in glasses are one (of many) of my fetishes.

Howard Hesseman was also great in 'Head Of The Class'

Posted by: yellojkt | November 22, 2006 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrodog, good job alt tagging your pics. I have my browser settings marked as to not display images and the alt text appears instead.

Ah thanksgiving. If there is one thing that there is too much of are the calories. I'm bringing the green beans, carrots, tomatoes and cucumbers. turnips probably won't make it this year. My wife just finished the grocery shopping.

I didn't get out to rake the leaves before the rain came. Darn! I'm sure glad I'm working from home today. I think it's a mean joke to let all the government employees off at the same time, usually holding back and making the announcement at 3:00. Total gridlock. the extra hour is spent idling in traffic.

Not if you take the train. Ha!

Be careful with those anti-spyware programs. Most of them just display a urgent warning message and the only thing you pay for is to make the warning message go away. Car manufacturers play the same game. the red warning light, "Check engine" comes on shortly after the 55,000 warentee has completed. Then you bring in your car and pay $150 for a mechanic to turn it off.

I offered the virtually free duct tape solution to this problem, but my wife wouldn't have it.

Posted by: Pat | November 22, 2006 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, I'll trade your mouse for my bat.

Cassandra, Howard Hesseman was my favorite on WKRP, too. He played Dr. Johnny Fever. And I liked Venus Flytrap (Tim Reid)--he was the epitome of cool. And yes, Tim, I liked Bailey too (much better than Loni Anderson, who always reminded me of Little Annie Fanny).

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 22, 2006 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Do you remember Tim Reid in the show called Frank's Place? It was about a guy who moves to New Orleans to run the restaurant he inherits from the father he barely knew. He's from the Northeast.

The entire cast (except for the southern lawyer named, I think, Bubba) was African American. It was a great show.

There's one hilarious scene when he returns to the kitchen after running into an old college friend and exclaimes, "He's a Brown man!" The kitchen staff all look at him like, "well.. duh."

Posted by: TBG | November 22, 2006 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman" was a spoof soap opera produced by Norman Lear starring Louise Lasser. It did touch on many taboo topics like abortion that you can't address in prime time today.

Mary Hartman999's meta-reference was to the double post he made.

Mony999 would also make a good boodle handle.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 22, 2006 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Exclaimes' is the olde englishe spellinge.

Posted by: TBG | November 22, 2006 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Thanks. It was a very rude otter indeed.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | November 22, 2006 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh Jan Smithers Ouch
Cassandra- the show was called Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman, eh? eh?
I'm still looking for a site to combat that nasty spyware but it's hard to find a trustworthy one. I use DefenderPro which can be purchased for about 20 bucks, but I'll keep looking for a free removal tool I can load and test. Unfortunately I'm hampered because I'm stuck in dail up land.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Bailey = Mary Ann
Jennifer = Ginger?

That is, if you're a Mary Ann guy, you wouldn't prefer Jennifer, right?

Posted by: Raysmom | November 22, 2006 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Now that makes me feel better, Mudge. I had this incident back in high school when I discovered a mouse among the canned food in the large cupboard, I decided to try and corner it with some paper.

Well it ran right, it ran left, and as I was trying to corner it, it did a full 50 inch rush and took a running leap right at me. I jumped back around one foot and the mouse did a free fall of around 4 feet and hit the ground running.

Fortunately a mousetrap took care of the problem, but I've never been the same about mice ever since.

I tipped off my family so the kids are prepared in case a mouse shows up, but I'm really hoping to evict it today, which may result in my destroying everything I own and some arson from neglected turkey. I already had the gas flame go off and pump some toxins in the air.

So basically, shoot a video of me today and you have the genesis for Mouse Hunt II, including an lazy dog who is in cahoots with the mouse.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Boko999, I use Spybot (freeware). It SEEMS reliable to me, what do you know about it?

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 2:27 PM | Report abuse

My favourite pic of Jan Smithers. I'm a sucker for beautiful eyes
Spybot. I'll check, Thx Wilbrod

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I use Spybot at work as well, seems to do the job.

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod- Spybot works well enough. It is one of the better free anti spyware programs.

Posted by: Kerric | November 22, 2006 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra, I can second the use of SpyBot, just go to It's free and it's been working well for me. Also be careful of the emails you open.

>Does Bailey = Mary Ann and Jennifer = Ginger?

Oh my... very interesting.

Wilbrod, I don't know how to say this but it's very unusual to find ONE mouse. They've been coming in from the fields and I have just dispatched no less than five of them in the last week. I wouldn't mind having pets in the winter but I can't deal with mouse droppings in my silverware drawer.

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 22, 2006 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I once was attacked by a butterfly. Maybe a moth. It was a stressful moment, I was unable to discern whether it had fuzzy antennae. It came at me from over the campfire, corroborating the notion that it was a moth -- what would a butterfly be doing flitting about after sunset on a summer evening? -- but I thought it had colors and patterning like a Monarch. It went straight for my eyes, the vicious beggar. I barely escaped, hurling myself backward. It soared through the space so recently occupied by the bridge of my nose, disappearing into the evening murk by the banks of the ironically-named White River. Butterflies don't live for decades, do they? I wonder if it's still out there. Looking for me. Thirsting for my aqueous humors.

Posted by: StorytellerTim | November 22, 2006 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Spybot is available on several very reliable sites. If Wilbrod likes it, that's good enough for me.
I reccomend you try it.
Pease keep us informed.

Point of personal priviledge.
I would consider the use of the 999 suffix a personal affront

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Raysmom, I think you have that equation pretty much correct. (I've never quite gotten that whole blond bombshell/Marilyn Monroe, overly well-endowed thing anyway; all the women I've ever liked tended to be the quieter, brainier types, and often brunettes. I even like women in glasses: Tina Fey in glasses, Famke Jansen in glasses, etc., that librarian look that suggests still waters run deep. I've never even understood that whole business about breast implants. But what do I know; I'm just a guy.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 22, 2006 2:47 PM | Report abuse


I was just trying to kickstart a list of doubled titles:

Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman
Mony, Mony
Absalom, Absalom
The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming

The *999 is clearly your trademark, as *Tim, Cow*, and *Fan belong to other boodlers. Besides the 999 makes no sense without Boko first.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 22, 2006 2:50 PM | Report abuse

And of course, I forgot to sign my post.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 22, 2006 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrodog, all it takes to get that mouse is patience, combined with vicious, unrestrained bloodlust. Like what I have! But, for some reason, when the hamster gets out of son of D's room, Dooley will only let me track it down, not eat it.

Tell Wilbrod good luck with the Thanksgiving dinner, though.

Posted by: Molly DooleyDog | November 22, 2006 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I take back everything I said about my local post office. I just got not only the Bertie and Wooster DVD, but also the Black Adder set I ordered. I can't wait for tonight when I can reward my labors in the kitchen with some good British humour (sic).

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | November 22, 2006 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"it's like the turkeys mounted a counter attack. Like they were organized!"

wilbrod - you want me to bring my snake over? he'll find your mouse lickity split!
and 'mudge - i'll take your bat! i love love love bats!!! i think they are adorable!

as for brit humour, how bout "the young ones" - i love them!

Posted by: mo | November 22, 2006 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh I know the saying where's there's one mouse, there's more, Error. The last time I did spot a mouse (when I was a teen), we wound up trapping and killing two mice.

This is the first time I've wished I owned a cat. Wilbrodog will catch bugs fine, but given his head alone is the size of a cat, I think he's lacking in a certain nimbleness in catching mice.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 3:03 PM | Report abuse

feeling lots o love over here - i'm stuck at work for another hour and it's dead, dead, deadinski! (at least i don't hafta cook for tomorrow - mom's cooking - i'm only responsible for my delish signature spinach salad)

Posted by: mo | November 22, 2006 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Ah thank you, I'm reassured. There is a boko999 in Japan who seems to be interested in some very dicey sites. I'm considering legal action.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Mo, your "Algier Hiss" is welcome over here as long as it's not venomous and you can find him again after he nabs the mice.
How warm does this apt need to be to get him jazzed up to hunt, assuming he's lean and hungry after a month or two of fasting.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 3:08 PM | Report abuse

While those butterflies/moth thirst for your aqueous humor the other boodlers thirst for the aqueous humour of our chief naval correspondent, Curmudgeon.
I live in fear of the proboscis too.

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 22, 2006 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I had a really bad infestation of spyware, popup ads, awhile ago. I think I got it when I searched for lyrics...Anyway, I use Spybot as well as Lavasoft's Ad-Aware (free):

And I use Sunbelt's CounterSpy which is about $20 a year. I don't have to run them much anymore. The company I work for also uses Spybot.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 22, 2006 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrodog, don't let Wilbrod make you feel bad about not getting the mouse. I have a caught a couple and got in trouble both times, is it my fault I caught one in the middle of the night and thought the neighbourhood should know about it, I repeated the message a few times to ensure the message got out. The first one I caught I thought I would try as a snack, turns out I didn't like it and redeposited it in the dining room, dmd didn't like that.

Posted by: dmddog | November 22, 2006 3:13 PM | Report abuse

well, he hasn't eaten in a while so (in fact, i was thinking of feeding him for thanksgiving - what? he can't celebrate cuz he's a snake?)... the only problem is that you may have already laid down poison? that would be very very bad for him...

Posted by: mo | November 22, 2006 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't use Spybot... I use a Mac!

Posted by: TBG | November 22, 2006 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Monday, Monday
Doctor, Doctor (technically, Bad Case of Loving You)

There's a nice little essay on Jan Smithers and the attractiveness of librarian types (with a learned reference to Updike plus a reference to Dorothy Malone in the great book store scene in "The Big Sleep") at

We got an "early out," folks, so please be aware that your Federal Gummint has just ground to a halt (which is almost certainly a Very Good Thing). So I'm outa here and running for the bus..back on the boodle this evening and some of tomorrow, no doubt. Everybody have a good weekend!

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 22, 2006 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Hubby worked about 13 hours on Sunday. He worked about 13 hours on Monday. Dinner was at 8:45 p.m. He worked about 13 hours on Tuesday. Last night, dinner was at 9:45 p.m. He was up after 5 a.m. to leave before 6:30 a.m. this morning for work. He promises to leave at a normal time tonight so we can go buy the turkey. I think Thanksgiving will be his very badly needed day of rest. He even canceled a 6-day vacation that was to start on Friday, the second time he has done so this fall, because (more) important projects at work require his attention.

My mile-high apple-cranberry pie is in the oven. I smell it. Mmm-mmm-mmm. We are doing a new twist on all the old recipes this year. No cranberry relish, but cranberries in the pie, the wild rice dressing, and the jello salad. The bag says our cranberries are from Canada. Imagine that!

The turkey will go on the Weber as usual with dampened mesquite wood chips for smoke flavor, but we are adding a glaze this holiday that is equal parts butter, honey, and bourbon.

We'll say a Native prayer that we always say, that will not change. But our Thanksgiving table is as simple as it can possibly be: woven leather placemats, topped by the simplest of cream-colored stoneware. A grey Zapotec wool table runner from Mexico with the traditional Native diamond pattern. (Both directions of North America shall be well represented on our table.) Ears of colorful Indian corn on the far sides of a large, colorful ceramic turkey. Plain silver-colored candlesticks and forest-green candles on the near sides of the turkey. Deer antler napkin rings holding cream-colored simple cotton napkins.

Why so rustic? I'll tell you in a moment. But the buzzer went off on the oven, and I must check the pie.

Posted by: Loomis | November 22, 2006 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I love Mr Bean! I even thought the movie was ok (saw it on the big screen). I like the one with the Christmas Nativity scene in the shop window, where he brings in dinosaurs.

Never have been a turnip fan, though - I think it's the smell. The red cabbage recipe sounds good - I may have to try it during the post-Thanksgiving stretch.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 22, 2006 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon, I told my ex SOME guys like women in glasses.

He's still slightly convinced I'm doomed to be an elderly spinster if I don't get lasik or contacts.

It's true if I took off my glasses a lot of guys would appear much less ugly to me, though.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 3:18 PM | Report abuse

cassandra - also try windows defender from microsoft - it's free

my recommendation is to load all three, ad aware, spybot AND windows defender. after loading, make sure to update all of them and then run all three of them, one at a time - what one program will miss, the other will pick up (not sure if windows defender will let you do that - if not then load ad aware and lavasoft and update/run those one at a time, THEN load defender) - if you are badly hit, it may take more than one program to clean you out...

Posted by: mo | November 22, 2006 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, my husband says he likes me in my glasses (refers to it as sexy), and I have always been a sucker for a man in glasses.

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Will a dog in glasses attract the kittycats?

Posted by: Wilbrodog | November 22, 2006 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Countless Victorian-era engravings notwithstanding (I have a book about Plymouth Colony with artwork as described), the Pilgrims did not spend the day sitting around a long table draped with a white linen cloth, clasping each other's hands in prayer as a few curious Indians looked on. Instead of an Englsih affair, the First Thanksgiving became an overwhelmingly Native celebration when Massasoit and a few hundred Pokanokets (more than twice the entire English population of Plymouth) arrived at the settlement with five freshly killed deer. Even if all the Pilgrims' furniture was brought out in the sunshine (about 80 degrees here tomorrow...we may dress in shorts....yes, I'm rubbing it in *w*) most of the celebrants stood, squatted, or sat on the ground as they clustered around outdoor fires, where the deer and birds turned on wooden spits and where pottages--stews ito which varieties of meats and vegetables were thrown--simmered invitingly.

In addition to ducks and deer, there was, according to Bradford, a "good store of wild turkeys" in the fall of 1621. ...

The Pilgrims may have also added fish to their meal of birds and deer. In fall, striped bass, bluefish, and cod were abundant. Perhaps most important to the Pilgrims was that with a recently harvested barley crop, it was now possible to brew beer. Alas, the Pilgrims were without pumpkin pies or cranberry sauce. There were also no forks, which did not appear in Plymouth until the last decades of the seventeenth century. The Pilgrims ate with their fingers and their knives.

Nathaniel Philbrick, "Mayflower," pp. 117-118

It was all so rustic then. These paragraphs affected me profoundly when I first read them several months ago.

Happy Thanksgiving--simple or sumptuous, everyone!

Posted by: Loomis | November 22, 2006 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Good point mo.

On the subject of glassed attraction, I've always had a thing for a pretty girl in a nice pair of specs.

I also feel that I look much better with glasses, but alas I've no need for them.

Posted by: Kerric | November 22, 2006 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Since there's only two of us for Thanksgiving dinner this year, we're having Cornish game hens. Also mashed yams and some asparagus. Gingerbread for dessert, I think. And (California) champagne! Only a few of the many things I'm grateful for. I'm especially grateful for the people in my life, including my invisible friends.

I hope all you Boodlers have a happy Thanksgiving.

Posted by: ac in sj | November 22, 2006 3:44 PM | Report abuse

So busy working ... for a non-profit--no "early out" for us.

Thank you for all the good vibes here.

Hope all of you--from Loomis of the history insight to Curmudgeon, to Cassandra S to Science Tim and on and on--including those who usually just read and rarely post may you have a great, safe, happy, Thanksgiving. May you all rejoin the "great boodle" in cyberspace on Monday next after four joyous days off!


Posted by: Aroc | November 22, 2006 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Thanks everyone for the information,will do. And Wilbrod, if you found one mouse, you probably have more. There never is just one. I hate to tell you. I don't like mice. I have moved out of places because there were mice. I lived in an apartment at one time when my children were young, and when I would get home from work at night, the mice would greet me as I went to bed. One night my son and I set traps, and the traps flipped all night long. We used peanut butter, not cheese. My son thought it was a hoot, I was scared to death. I really don't care for mice, and with my size it is kind of like the elephant and the mouse.

Posted by: Cassandra S | November 22, 2006 3:45 PM | Report abuse

a classic! a "three's company" pilot!!

Posted by: mo | November 22, 2006 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Have a happy Thanksgiving also, Aroc. And american in siam, hope everything is okay with you. Haven't heard from you in awhile, but Happy Thanksgiving.

And Loomis, I don't know what kind of pie you're taking out of the oven, but in my mind's eye I can almost smell it. Happy Thanksgiving, Loomis.

Posted by: Cassandra S | November 22, 2006 3:50 PM | Report abuse

>as for brit humour, how bout "the young ones" - i love them!

Mo, I finally broke down and got the entire series. Well worth it.

>I don't use Spybot... I use a Mac!
TBG, that's what turned me into a Mac user at home - the insane state of Windows (in)security. I still use a PC for work but I'm up to three Macs now. I think I have seven PCs in the house (including a Linux box), only one of which has been turned on since I got the Mac.

The new quad MacPro is awesome. I can capture HD video in real-time. Before that it took 4 hrs to get 1 hr of HD from the camera!

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 22, 2006 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving US and A friends. Enjoy!

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I am thankful for the boodle.

And for many other things. I hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving.

I've got to do some serious labor in the kitchen now. First order of business is to get some dough rising.

For a few days, no one counts calories.

Posted by: Achenbach | November 22, 2006 3:53 PM | Report abuse

thanks kerric (psst - it's part of what i do for a living...)

error - i did the same thing... got the whole series...

and let us not hate on pcs! i call them "job security"!!!

Posted by: mo | November 22, 2006 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Awww Joel. That's so nice to hear. We're thankful for you, too.

And you stole my line; that's what I'm gonna say tomorrow when we go around the table at my sister's house...

"I'm thankful for the boodle. Now stop staring."

Posted by: TBG | November 22, 2006 3:56 PM | Report abuse

You look fine without glasses Kerric. Really good.

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 3:56 PM | Report abuse

And happy Thanksgiving to you and your family, Joel!

Posted by: ac in sj | November 22, 2006 4:02 PM | Report abuse

aj in sc that sounds so good, only increasing my US Thanksgiving envy. I love gingerbread, I am currently hooked on Starbucks Gingerbread Latte and cake. Is that homemade gingerbread cake or cookies.

Wilbrod peanut butter is our preferred addition to the traps, if you use traps a little warning they do not always work instantly. We listened one night to one poor mouse struggle against the baking pans in our over drawer. Made for a very long night, I felt for the little guy.

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 4:04 PM | Report abuse

SCC ac in sj, I am sorry.

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Have a Happy Turkey Day yourself, Joel.

Even Joel is bugging out early on the ever-expanding Thanksgiving Holiday Season. The schools arranged it so that today is a "conference" day. Technically, parents can meet with teachers today, but in reality, most teachers have kept evening hours for the past two nights and took today off as comp.

I think federal workers are some of the last folks left with Black Friday as a liberal leave vacation day as opposed to a real paid holiday. For once the private sector is ahead of the benefits curve.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 22, 2006 4:15 PM | Report abuse

dmd, I'm making homemade gingerbread cake, a recipe I haven't used before. If it's good, I'll post the recipe...

ooh, yeah. The gingerbread cake at Starbucks is *really* good. It gives me quite a sugar buzz, though, so it's a good thing it's only sold for the holiday season. I was just thinking earlier today that I should go by there to see if they have it yet.

Posted by: ac in sj | November 22, 2006 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I use Spybot and AdAware too. I run them every week.

Cassandra, when they bring up the logs, don't delete anything that's a registry item. Tracking programs, cookies, spy programs, go ahead and delete them. (I realize you're more computer literate than this, but a friend of mine wasn't!) Today is my *be careful* day. If you're in doubt, post it and we'll try to help.

Posted by: dbG | November 22, 2006 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Adding my voice to the others in wishing you all a safe and happy Thanksgiving. Be careful out there, especially if you are affected by the rainstorm. I have finished today's list of todo's and am waiting for "S" to come home with a pizza. I might just have time to start watching those DVD's.

I have a confession, I don't like turkey. I am hoping that brining the thing will make it taste more like chicken, which I do like. I also am not crazy about pie, or mashed potatoes or yams. My plate tomorrow will feature dressing (stuffing), green beans and cranberry sauce. I hope my family eats a lot of the bird so I won't have it hanging around.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | November 22, 2006 4:37 PM | Report abuse

We're all thankful for the boodle too.

I just got done cleaning the stove so it's all bright and shiny for its workout tomorrow. Next I'm going to make cranberry bread. I use the recipe off the cranberry bag, but if anyone has a better one, please post it. Adding cranberries to an apple pie sounds good. (My cranberries may have been packaged in MA, WA, or WI.) We all like turkey, but like the turkey sandwiches even better.

Hope everyone has a good time.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 22, 2006 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Sneakers, I never liked turkey either. I always found it dry and difficult to take (but I love love bread/sage/savory/onion/celery dressing).

My best Christmas was when I was about 13; I moaned a bit about having to eat turkey. When we got the table, my Mum had made a full turkey dinner, but there was also a small roast of beef for the moaner. How nice was that?! Of course, the four very large teenaged brothers tucked into both!

I like turkey now, but I'm still all about the turkey sandwiches the day after.

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Usually I try to get away with having two big chickens instead of turkey, but this year, because I know how much everyone else likes turkey, I figured I wouldn't inflict my preferences on them. Actually, the last few years I have found that turkey gives me a terrible stomach ache. I can eat deli turkey, but the 'real' thing just doesn't sit well anymore.

Mostly, if that's the recipe that calls for the shortening, oj, grated rind and egg in a measuring cup to which you add boiling water, then that's the one I use. Never found a recipe that was any better.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | November 22, 2006 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I know, Yoki! I was thinking mustard goes so well with turkey that I was half tempted to cook my turkey with a mustard sauce, but I desisted ;).

I like turkey but I hate it roasted whole.

Let's face it, roast chicken is good but we cook chicken something like 10,000 ways for a very good reason.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, that sounds fantastic! Maybe roasted turkey breat with a mustard/herb crust like I do for lamb? Hmmm, now I guess I have some 'sperimenting to do!

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 5:06 PM | Report abuse

According to local DJ "Weasel," the Mr. Carlton quote on the WKRP Thanksgiving episode is a homage to Alice Cooper. Evidently Mr. Cooper said something similar regarding a chicken that he tossed above the crowd during a concert.

And regarding Rowan Atkinson. I first saw him in the movie "Four Weddings and a Funeral," where I thought he stole every scene he was in. ("The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spigot.") Nevertheless, he will always be "Johnny English" to me.

And Mudge, I promise to have a pretzel and cup cheese just for you.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 22, 2006 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I use a italian herb-lemon marinade for lamb, works out well.

With turkey, I'd probably add a little oil to help it stick, because lamb is so much more fatty and oily than turkey.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 5:14 PM | Report abuse

What's that? Dry turkey, you say?

I am no longer able to do a Thanksgiving turkey, as both ScienceKids (umm, CulinaryKids) are now fish-eating semi-vegetarians. So, I will attempt to work out my karma through youse guys.

When I roasted turkeys, I roasted them at high heat (say, 425°F), unstuffed. This cooks your turkey much faster, and without horribly dessicating the breast meat. I slorsh [sic] apple cider into the cavity. Baste with more cider after the first half-hour. After that, I baste with pan juices. Use the pointy injector-dealie with the basting syringe and inject the juices directly into several spots within the breast (both subcutaneous and intramuscular), at the leg joints, and into the thighs, every half-hour. The whole turkey is done in about 2-2.5 hours, even a big one. About 0.5 hours before turkey-completion, prepare stuffing on the stove by boiling a cup or two of water, add sauteed onions and the other stuffing things you would normally use (I like cranberries and walnuts in mine), and a couple cups of pan-drippings from the turkey. When the turkey is done, pop the stuffing into the oven in a baking dish and let it cook some more with the turkey juices. The cider-rich pan juices make excellent gravy -- maybe a little sweet, still, so add some soy sauce. Skim the fat. Cook it down, then thicken with starch or flour, as you would normally do. I never bother to strain out the lumpy bits ("flavor nodules"), but beat the daylights out of the remaining starch lumps to get rid of them. Sometimes, I'll cook some mushrooms in pan drippings, then purée and add to the gravy.

Whatever you do, enjoy your national secular holiday of unrestrained gluttony. It's good to remind yourself of the good things of life, so that you can remember why we wish the same (with appropriate diet-conscious restraint) for everyone on every day of the year.


Posted by: CulinaryTim | November 22, 2006 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Bless you, Padouk.

And what Tim said about dry turkey. I would also add that I'm a devotee of brining a turkey before cooking--see Alton's Brown recipe for this at,1977,FOOD_9936_8389,00.html.

Yoki, my grandmother used to make that bread/sage/savory/onion/celery dressing that you'd die for. I've been trying over the years to re-create it, with about 80 percent success. But I'm not there yet. (I kick myself for never writing it down when she was alive. I used to watch and sometimes help her when I was a kid, but when you're a kid you don't remember the details.)

Loomis, care to share that apple-cranberry pie recipe?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 22, 2006 6:09 PM | Report abuse

"Two employees of the city's ice skating rink have been fired for making a midnight fast-food run in a pair of Zambonis."

Posted by: ac in sj | November 22, 2006 6:20 PM | Report abuse

The Zamboni caper happened in Boise, not NY, for those of you who don't follow the link to the article.

(Now there's something you don't see everyday, Chauncey...)

Posted by: ac in sj | November 22, 2006 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Is anything changed in the graphics on Wapo. I just downloaded IE 7 and now Wapo is in a lovely font, looks like Times Roman, very easy to read.

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Tim, my soon to be daughter in law is vegetarian and loves dressing/ stuffing. We do a dish of stuffing just for her using butter and vegetable broth in place of the richer fattier turkey broth. It turns out pretty well. Add extra onions for a fuller flavour.

This is the person who has posted awful cooking stories which were then placed into a subsequent kit, so I'm not sure you should trust me.

Posted by: dr | November 22, 2006 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Pork benefits from brining too. America's Test Kitchen is a great site for all sorts of cooking and utensil tips. I never miss an episode on PBS.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking someone should collect all the recipes offered on the boodle. I went back into the archives to give it a shot but the cooments don't seem to be saved.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Before everyone is gone for the holiday, let me add my wishes to each and everyone of you for a wonderful Thanksgiving. You enrich my life and give laughter to my days.

Posted by: dr | November 22, 2006 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Good news, with the upgrade I now have spell checking capabilities, won't catch my silly mistakes, like forgetting ed, s, ing on words - but it should help.

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh the comments are (were) saved. try googling them or checking out on Yahoo if you remember any keywords such as blogger name, etc-- it's often faster than going through the archives.

It's how I found Mudge's "Bang bang dick cheney shot me down" parody last month.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I've given up worrying about my mistakes. If the people here can't figure it out, nobody can.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I am thankful that we are done with rain for today. 4.5 inches is enough for a while.

I am thankful for the health and wellbeing of my family.

I am thankful that older daughter is not driving I-95/I-85 home tonight but is staying in MD for the weekend.

I am thankful that younger daughter is on her way home but not going fast on I-85 (she called a few minutes ago to say that they were travelling around 15mph).

I am thankful that I am 20 working days from concluding my career.

I am very thankful for my friends on Achenblog, and for Joel's talents for writing stuff I need to know and/or enjoy.

I will be thankful when Son of G is accepted by Queens University.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Posted by: Slyness | November 22, 2006 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

Posted by: Dooley | November 22, 2006 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I've come all over vapourish at the thought of a boodle recipe collection. Is that verklmept? What a fantastic idea 999. I could make a start over the holidays; the whole project might take 6 months, but then it would not be hard to keep up.

So, is this interesting to the Boodle? Ayes and nays?

Hahahaha. I just had a random thought that if we got some photography to go with it, it might be like the Calendar Girls. The Boodle Bakers, or something. Not the M&S Achficionados, as that sounds a bit sketchy. I can just see Tim with a high-temp turkey clutched to his breast, and me with, well, dumplings.

Say, where is College Parkian these days?

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 8:06 PM | Report abuse

'Mudge, I'm guessing your grandmother did not have a recipe. I helped both my Grandma and Mum make dressing (both of them were dressing-witches, never a misstep) from the time I could reach the counter. Yet, when I started cooking on my own, I did not get it right for a very very long time.

I'm about 99% there, after throwing away every recipe I looked at. I've sometimes got it exactly right, about twice out of every five times. M and GM never got it wrong.

Three things I've learned is not to have the bread too fresh (but not dry, either); use less seasoning and aromatics than you think for the size of the batch, and the magic seems to be to judge how juicy the turkey is (if you cook the stuffing inside the bird) and adjust the moisture *first.* Kind of like many of my GM's legacies. "Take the pan off the heat after the candy is at softball stage, but just before hardball." Um, right, Grandma, and how do I know "just before?" Lots of failures, is the answer, I think.

I'm comfortable with my dressing. What I need now is to know how my mother-in-law made that fantastic gravy. Talk about a witch. Always, no matter the roast, deep brown, richly flavoured and lumpless. I've seen her do it; no browning agents from a bottle, no special rou technology, just some sort of magic. As she died 2 years ago, I may never have the chance to become the sorcerer's apprentice.

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Have an Most Excellent Thanksgiving all!!


Posted by: Error Flynn | November 22, 2006 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Yoki.. excellent idea. Boodlerific!

There must be someone on this boodle that can write some sort of software to boodle dive for recipes.

Posted by: TBG | November 22, 2006 8:21 PM | Report abuse

The boodle recipe collection is a good idea. I've kept a few, when I have enough sense to cut and paste - like LindaLoo's pancakes. Seems like kb and someone else had a way to download all the comments and parse through them. Let's see, some boodles with lots of recipes are around Thanksgiving and Christmas, Sara's bridal shower...and random other times...As Wilbrod said, google might be a good way to find them too.

I love collecting recipes. Actually making something is another thing altogether.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 22, 2006 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Any Achenblog cookbook has to include this one:

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 22, 2006 8:30 PM | Report abuse

yoki, in google's advanced search you can restrict the domain to the achenblog. then keyword "recipe" should pull up most of them.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | November 22, 2006 8:33 PM | Report abuse

It was Boko999 who had the fabulous idea! I'm just the scullery maid, here.

If the Boodle expresses interest, it would be easier if those people who know which recipes they've posted just email them to me (along with comments, of course) and then I collect, sort, transcribe and index them.

As for the photos, I leave that up to the individual boodlers :)

Say, if Joel really has left for Thanksgiving and won't see this (turn away, please, Joel), here's an idea. I could actually vanity publish one copy and we could present it to Joel on the next anniversary of the blog. I'm sure Mudge or bc or other DC-based imaginary friends actually see him often enough to do so.

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 8:37 PM | Report abuse

you would still have to do a find: "recipe" search in each page of the google results, but at least you wouldn't have to skim the whole dang archive. or, as tbg said, maybe someone could program this.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | November 22, 2006 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I'd be happy with a recipe collection. The red cabbage recipe mentioned earlier today reminded me of a version that we made from Julia Child's book 'The Way to Cook.' It was good, and we decided to make it again tomorrow. So, off to the local grocer for some cabbage and an onion.

Please, everyone have a safe and happy Thanksgiving, no matter where you are.

Posted by: bigcranky | November 22, 2006 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Mmmm, Angus stew, 'Mudge's spaghetti sauce (I heard reference to a steak recipe too, but it was posted before I joined), Joel's beans...

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 8:42 PM | Report abuse

So many cookbooks are done as fundraisers. Will this one be just for the boodle, or could we request people download it send $ or books to the Achenblog book drive? (Sorry, fundraising, it's just in my blood!)

Posted by: dbG | November 22, 2006 8:44 PM | Report abuse

SSC: people WHO download

Posted by: dbG | November 22, 2006 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I JUST had to see how William Shatner did as a game show host, since it takes a different class of skills compared to readings scripts.

One category was WHAT SEX.. The woman said "What is sex?"

Shatner did his usual ponderous pause and went... "You don't know?"

The woman said "I am so single, man, I don't remember anymore."

"We gotta get you a man"

"-with a job, Get me a man with a job.."

As it was, the question was What sex (Therapist was born Karola Siegel and once trained as a sniper.)

She guessed Dr. Ruth, and so did I.

... Right answer.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Or even better, we could request that a voluntary donation go to Cassandra's reading group, or the other good works she does. Oops. Of course, that is exactly what you meant, isn't it?

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 8:48 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: dbG | November 22, 2006 8:50 PM | Report abuse

This was on the page Error linked to:
Found this on the "Ferret--the Other, Other White Meat" web site:

Medallions of Ferret St. Jamison's

450 g (1 lb.) ferret haunches cut in strips or medallions
fresh-ground black pepper
25 g (1 oz. or two tablespoons) butter
225 g (8 oz.) carrots julienned
1 large onion, chopped
100 g (4 oz.) mushrooms, sliced
45 ml (3 Tablespoons) Irish whiskey (or to taste)
150 ml (5 fl. oz. or about 5/8 cup) sour cream
chopped fresh parsley to garnish

Liberally sprinkle the ferret with black pepper. Melt the butter in a large frying pan. Add the pork and carrots; stir-fry for 5 minutes. Add the onions and mushrooms and cook until soft. Stir in the whiskey and sour cream; heat through but DO NOT BOIL. Garnish with parsley and serve.

Serves 4

There was no mention of legumes, but I suppose you could always toss some in.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | February 24, 2006 01:36 PM

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 8:51 PM | Report abuse

OK, another hahahahah! today I would have guessed Richard Burton. I'm *so* laughing at myself. Just way too much uselessly obscure trivia stored "up there."

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I was @ Street Road & 611 today to buy fixings for dinner tomorrow (new Wegman's). I saw a lot of things, but no ferret.

Posted by: dbG | November 22, 2006 9:00 PM | Report abuse

That ferret recipe is the funniest thing I've ever read.

I might have to add a recipe for a really big frog and a really juicy peach.

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 9:05 PM | Report abuse

WIlbrodog is definitely in cahoots with the mouse. I caught him disarming the mousetrap inside the peanut butter can.

He shot me the "but I want the peanut butter" look but he ain't fooling me.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Great idea for the recipes everyone. Yoki, I made fudge a lot when I was younger my moms tip to tell when it was soft ball stage, put a drop is cold water, if it forms a small ball its ready, not an exact science but it worked well.

Happy happy thanksgiving all. I love this spell check.

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 9:11 PM | Report abuse

dmd Could you direct me to this spell cheque thingummy?

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Does the ferret have to be brined first?

I am not brining, but I did turn the fresh, organic, free-range turkey breast-side down because I read that will help concentrate the juices there. I'll also start cooking it that way. . . I don't even like turkey, but my friends' mom's stuffing recipe will solve everything.

Posted by: dbG | November 22, 2006 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I think a boodle recipe book is a great idea. And if we CAN do a recipe book of some sort, donating the proceeds to Cassandra's book fund sounds like a great idea to me. I can contribute half a dozen or so recipes of things I've mentioned (though I don't recommend the ferret dish).

I've also though we ought to collect and anthologize an official boodle song book collecting our various parodies.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 22, 2006 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, Lucie, my previous lab, used to catch mice. She'd carry them around, tail outside her mouth, until they died of shock. I'd find a wet, dead mouse on the dining room floor and figure, better Lucie than me. Never a mark on them.

Luce didn't get along well with my GSD, Maxie. But I watched them hunt together. Old Maxie would drive the mouse to young Lucie. And when I'd ask, "Who killed this mouse?" Maxie would take all the credit.

Posted by: dbG | November 22, 2006 9:22 PM | Report abuse

You want the apple-cranberry pie recipe at this time of night? Sheesh!

Pie crust, however you come by it--homemade or store bought.

1 3/4 c. to 2 c. sugar
1/4 c. all-purpose flour
3 cups sliced pared tart apples (about three medium...I used four small for a mounded pie, which cooked down)
2 c. fresh or frozen cranberies
2 tablespoons margarine or butter

I added a very healthy dusting of cinnamon to the apple-cranberry mixture.

Heat oven to 425 degrees. Prepare pastry. Mix sugar and flour. Alternate layers of apples, cranberries and sugar mixture in pastry-lined pie plate, beginning and ending with apples (or mix it all together and coat everything, as I did--the simplicity school of cooking). Dot with margarine. Cover with top crust that has slits cut in it; seal and flute. Cover edge with 2- to 3-inch strips of aluminum foil to prevent excessive browning; remove foil during last 15 minutes of baking.

Bake until crust is golden brown and juice begins to bubble through slits in crust (this juice is so yummy, it's taken a team of wild Texas burros to hold me back from diving headlong into this dessert a day early), 40 to 50 minutes. Serve with ice cream if you so desire.

Voila! (Credit: Betty Crocker's 1988 Christmas Cookbook, p. 67)

Posted by: Loomis | November 22, 2006 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Yoki! That's a reference to Peter Cook and Dudley Moore! OutSTANDING! The Frog and Peach skit. "I'm feeling a bit peckish."

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 22, 2006 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I definitely plan to have Wilbrodog pick up the mouse, not me, if he will cooperate.

Then he will get peanut butter.

Posted by: WIlbrod | November 22, 2006 9:28 PM | Report abuse

A little dinner entertainment:

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 9:34 PM | Report abuse

OK, so I think we're really going to do this.

If you can remember which, and when, you posted recipes, would you please email the recipe (and link to Boodle) to my fake email:

If you don't remember, but have posted a recipe, email that.

I would very much like to select some of the responses too, so links to Boodle are deeply appreciated.

And if someone can figure out how to advanced search the whole archive of kits and boodles, that will be fantastic.

I don't publish my real email on the web, so post to that fake one; I am likely to reply from my real one, but will use a subject line that is recognizable.


Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Oh 'Mudge! I think I have an unrequited passion for you. If I weren't so old and sick and stupid and ill, and hadn't just dropped this great heavy lump of coal on my foot, I'd 'ave told you before.

"Yoki! That's a reference to Peter Cook and Dudley Moore! OutSTANDING! The Frog and Peach skit. "I'm feeling a bit peckish."

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Did I just see Madonna do a disco drag king act in a white lounge suit and purple 70's shirt with those huge collars?

I know she likes to keep changing her act, but trying to evoke being the Marlene Dietrich of the 70's...

*Sobs* I feel old, and I don't even remember the 70's.

Posted by: WIlbrod | November 22, 2006 9:40 PM | Report abuse

yeah, if we all google-search our own recipes and email them to yoki,
that's probably the best way to go.

if my directions weren't clear, do this from google's advanced search -

keywords: recipe [plus name or other useful key words]

Posted by: L.A. lurker | November 22, 2006 9:45 PM | Report abuse

And I feel old because my reaction to Fed-Ex's lawyers stating there *is* no tape is that Britney paid the ransom, and there will be no custody battle either.

Generally, I'm not all that cynical.

Posted by: dbG | November 22, 2006 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Comments are stored in the Achenarchives starting Apr 3 2005. I'll start the Recipe search there and report to Yoki as I go.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, who said anything about unrequited?

Did you know that skit's on the Internet? (Isn't nearly everything, any more?) It's at

Here it is; I abbreviated it a wee bit:

The Frog & Peach Sketch

Dudley Moore: Good evening. We're talking this evening to Sir Arthur Greeb-Streebling.
Peter Cook: Streeb-Greebling.
Dudley Moore: Oh, I'm terribly sorry, I thought it was Greeb-Streebling.
Peter Cook: No, Streeb-Greebling. You're thinking of Greeb-Streebling. The "T" is silent, as in "fox". Good evening.
Dudley Moore: We'd like to ask Sir Arthur actually about his rather unique restaurant, the Frog and Peach.... If you would tell us something about it, Sir. Arthur.
Peter Cook: Yes, well, ah, the idea for the Frog and Peach came to me in the bath. A great number of things come to me in the bath, mainly sort of mosquitoes and adders, but in this case a rather stupendous idea. I suddenly thought, as I was scrubbing my back with a loofah, I thought, "Where can a young couple, who are having an evening out, not too much money, and they want to have a decent meal, you know, a decent frog and a nice bit of peach, where can they go and get it?" And answer came there none. And so I had this idea of starting a restaurant specializing in these frogs legs and, er, peaches, and on this premise I built this restaurant.
Dudley Moore: And how has business been?
Peter Cook: Well, ah, business hasn't been, in the strict sense of the world. Rather, let me answer that question in two parts. There hasn't been any business and nobody's been. It's been a quiet time for the last 15-18 years, really, in the business.
Dudley Moore: But don't you feel in a way you're at some disadvantage being stuck out in the middle of Dartmoor here?
Peter Cook: I think the word "disadvantage" is awfully well chosen there, yes. This is what we're at. We're at a disadvantage. You see, when I had the idea, I weighed up the pros and cons and I came to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, or possibly both -
Dudley Moore: Or neither.
Peter Cook: Or neither, or nye-the, as they say in some part of the country.
Dudley Moore: Or cointreau.
Peter Cook: Indeed. I thought that the pros outweighed the cons by two and a half ounces, and I thought the people in Britain were crying out for a restaurant where there wasn't any parking problem. In fact, I heard somebody in the street crying out for a restaurant without a parking problem. Norwegian sailor, I believe, on leave. He was saying, "Oh, for a restaurant without a parking problem!" And this sort of inspired me to start this one. There's no parking problem here, situated as we are in the middle of a bog in the heart of Dartmoor. No difficulty parking. Some difficultly extricating your car, but otherwise well-situated. ... It's the most appalling thing. There's so little to choose from. You start with - what's that?
Dudley Moore: Spawn cocktail.
Peter Cook: Spawn cocktail. One of the most revolting dishes known to man. Then there's only two other dishes really. There's frog a la peche, which is a frog done in Cointreau and with a peach stuffed in its mouth And, ah, then, of course, there's peche a la frog, which is really not much to write home about. A waiter comes to your table. He's got this huge peach on it, which is covered in boiling liqueur, you see, and he slices it open to reveal about two thousand little black tadpoles squiggling about. It's one of the most disgusting sights I've ever seen. God, it turns me over to think of it. Squiggle, squiggle, they go.
Dudley Moore: Rather nauseating. Who does the cooking?
Peter Cook: My wife does the cooking and, luckily, she does the eating as well. An amazing creature. Of course, she's not a well woman.
Dudley Moore: No.
Peter Cook: Not a well woman at all, so she very much resents having to go down the well every morning to sprinkle "Swoop" on the toads. An amazing creature, my wife, an amazing creature.... Would you like some pond water?
Dudley Moore: No, I won't actually.
Peter Cook: It's two shillings.
Dudley Moore: No, no.
Peter Cook: It's revolting stuff. I wouldn't touch it.
Dudley Moore:, um
Peter Cook: What are you about to ask me about?
Dudley Moore: I'm about to ask you, um, I suppose this sort of menu could, in fact, appeal to the French.
Peter Cook: It could appeal to the French and I've tried appealing to the French over Radio Streeb-Greebling which, as you know, is situated in the moat, not a stone's throw from here, but, ah, the response has been - oh - it's not been excessive.
Dudley Moore: No.
Peter Cook: It's been nil.
Dudley Moore: Well, it all sounds rather disastrous to me.
Peter Cook: Catastrophic, I think, would be a better word, really, for it.
Dudley Moore: Do you have any other plans for other business ventures?
Peter Cook: Nnnnn-- yes and no. I thought of starting a sort of sophisticated restaurant with kind of, ah, sophisticated music somewhere up in Peebleshire. Somewhere where a young couple who're out for the evening, y'see, who've got about 85 guineas to spend to get a really decent meal.
Dudley Moore: Hmm. What are you going to call it?
Peter Cook: The Vole and Pea.
Dudley Moore: What sort of food?
Peter Cook: Well, ah, I was thinking largely: simple English roast vole, you know and, ah, a decent British pea. Put the two together and I think you're on pretty good ground.
Dudley Moore: Yes, indeed. Do you feel you've learnt by your mistakes here?
Peter Cook: I think I have, yes, and I think I can probably repeat them almost perfectly. I know my mistakes inside out.
Dudley Moore: I'm sure you will repeat them. Well, thank you very much, Sir Arthur.
Peter Cook: Thank you very much.
Dudley Moore: And good night.
Peter Cook: Would you like one for the toad?
Dudley Moore: No, thank you.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 22, 2006 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Again with the dail-up. This is taking way too long

Posted by: Boko999 | November 22, 2006 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad it is not entirely unrequited. The part I love best (being a cook-book addict) is: "frog a la peche,... And, ah, then, of course, there's peche a la frog,"

I'm kind of regretful that its all on the net. I've always felt lucky that I have the entire Beyond the Fringe oeuvre on 5 CDs.

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon, thanks, very funny. And sigh, I used to love peaches. Now, I'm not sure I'd touch a peach with a ten-footed tadpole.

As a matter of fact, I'm awfully tempted to start a Thanksgiving day diet starting right now.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 10:20 PM | Report abuse

...and a longer and better version of the Frog and Peach here:

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 22, 2006 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, I hope you don't also love Cheese.

The Cheese Shop

Wensleydale Good morning, sir.
Mousebender Good Morning. I was sitting in the public library on Thurmon Street just now, skimming through 'Rogue Herries' by Horace Walpole, when suddenly I came over all peckish.
Wensleydale Peckish, sir?
Mousebender Esurient.
Wensleydale Eh?
Mousebender (broad Yorkshire) Eee I were all hungry, like!
Wensleydale Oh, hungry.
Mousebender (normal accent) In a nutshell. So I thought to myself, 'a little fermented curd will do the trick'. So I curtailed my Walpolling activites, sallied forth and infiltrated your place of purveyance to negotiate the vending of some cheesy comestibles. (smacks his lips)
Wensleydale Come again.
Mousebender (broad nothern accent) I want to buy some cheese.
Wensleydale Oh, I thought you were complaining about the music!
Mousebender (normal voice) Heaven forbid. I am one who delights in all manifestations of the terpsichorean muse.
Wensleydale Sorry?
Mousebender I like a nice dance - you're forced to.
Quick cut to a Viking.
Viking (broad Northern accent) Anyway.
Cut back to cheese shop.
Wensleydale Who said that?
Mousebender (normal voice) Now my good man, some cheese, please.
Wensleydale Yes certainly, sir. What would you like?
Mousebender Well, how about a little Red Leicester.
Wensleydale I'm, afraid we're fresh out of Red Leicester, sir.
Mousebender Oh, never mind. How are you on Tilsit?
Wensleydale Never at the end of the week, sir. Always get it fresh first thing on Monday.
Mousebender Tish tish. No matter. Well, four ounces of Caerphilly, then, if you please, stout yeoman.
Wensleydale Ah well, it's been on order for two weeks, sir, I was expecting it this morning.
Mousebender Yes, it's not my day, is it? Er, Bel Paese?
Wensleydale Sorry.
Mousebender Red Windsor?
Wensleydale Normally, sir, yes, but today the van broke down.
Mousebender Ah. Stilton?
Wensleydale Sorry.
Mousebender Gruyere? Emmental?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Any Norwegian Jarlsberger?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Liptauer?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Lancashire?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender White Stilton?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Danish Blue?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Double Gloucester?
Wensleydale ...No.
Mousebender Cheshire?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Any Dorset Blue Vinney?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Brie, Roquefort, Pont-l'Évêque, Port Salut, Savoyard, Saint-Paulin, Carre-de-L'Est, Boursin, Bresse-Bleu, Perle de Champagne, Camenbert?
Wensleydale Ah! We do have some Camembert, sir.
Mousebender You do! Excellent.
Wensleydale It's a bit runny, sir.
Mousebender Oh, I like it runny.
Wensleydale Well as a matter of fact it's very runny, sir.
Mousebender No matter. No matter. Hand over le fromage de la Belle France qui s'apelle Camembert, s'il vous plaît.
Wensleydale I think it's runnier than you like it, sir.
Mousebender (smiling grimley) I don't care how excrementally runny it is. Hand it over with all speed.
Wensleydale Yes, sir. (bends below counter and reappears) Oh...
Mousebender What?
Wensleydale The cat's eaten it.
Mousebender Has he?
Wensleydale She, sir.
Mousebender Gouda?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Edam?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Caithness?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Smoked Austrian?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Sage Darby?
Wensleydale No, sir.
Mousebender You do have some cheese, do you?
Wensleydale Certainly, sir. It's a cheese shop, sir. We've got...
Mousebender No, no, no, don't tell me. I'm keen to guess.
Wensleydale Fair enough.
Mousebender Wensleydale.
Wensleydale Yes, sir?
Mousebender Splendid. Well, I'll have some of that then, please.
Wensleydale Oh, I'm sorry sir, I thought you were refering to me, Mr Wensleydale.
Mousebender Gorgonzola?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Parmesan?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Mozzarella?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Pippo Crème?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Any Danish Fynbo?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Czechoslovakian Sheep's Milk Cheese?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender Venezuelan Beaver Cheese?
Wensleydale Not today sir, no.
Mousebender Well let's keep it simple, how about Cheddar?
Wensleydale Well, I'm afraid we don't get much call for it around these parts.
Mousebender No call for it? It's the single most popular cheese in the world!
Wensleydale Not round these parts, sir.
Mousebender And pray what is the most popular cheese round these parts?
Wensleydale Ilchester, sir.
Mousebender I see.
Wensleydale Yes, sir. It's quite staggeringly popular in the manor, squire.
Mousebender Is it.
Wensleydale Yes sir, it's our number-one seller.
Mousebender Is it.
Wensleydale Yes sir.
Mousebender Ilchester, eh?
Wensleydale Right.
Mousebender OK, I'm game. Have you got any, he asked, expecting the answer no?
Wensleydale I'll have a look, sir...nnnnnnooooooooo.
Mousebender It's not much of a cheese shop really, is it?
Wensleydale Finest in the district, sir.
Mousebender And what leads you to that conclusion?
Wensleydale Well, it's so clean.
Mousebender Well, it's certainly uncontaminated by cheese.
Wensleydale You haven't asked me about Limberger, sir.
Mousebender Is it worth it?
Wensleydale Could be.
Mousebender OK, have you...will you shut that bloody dancing up! (the music stops)
Wensleydale (to dancers) Told you so.
Mousebender Have you got any Limberger?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender No, that figures. It was pretty predictable, really. It was an act of purest optimism to pose the question in the first place. Tell me something, do you have any cheese at all?
Wensleydale Yes, sir.
Mousebender Now I'm going to ask you that question once more, and if you say 'no' I'm going to shoot you through the head. Now, do you have any cheese at all?
Wensleydale No.
Mousebender (shoots him) What a senseless waste of human life.

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 10:25 PM | Report abuse

That fits how I feel about cheese, Yoki.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I found Nani's Chicken and Dumplings recipe for Sara and sent it to Yoki.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 22, 2006 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Linda, for the pie recipe - sounds delish!

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 22, 2006 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Not to change topics (as if that never happens here)...

I was just settling down for the evening and decided to watch a bit of TV when CSI:NY came on. Before I knew it, some idiot jumped off a building with a faulty parachute and made a human-shaped pothole in the sidewalk below and suddenly The Who's "Baba O'Riley" started blasting out of our primitive un-theater non-surround single audio channel television's speaker... and a Word came to mind:


It's not like I've never heard The Who -- I have a well-worn but pristine "Quadrophenia" on vinyl, fer Pete's (Townshend's) sake.

But the Word "resonance" got me to thinking that maybe the pointy-headed sciency-types here might be able to come up with a theory or algorithm or some other excuse for why certain tunes/melodies/whatevers seem to be able to touch us (or some of us) in a primordial/universal way that the average pop stars' latests don't.


I was listening to the local "classic rock" station earlier tonight and The Doors' "Stranger" came on and it did the same thing.

Maybe I'm just an old fart, but I think there's some other power at work here.

Posted by: martooni | November 22, 2006 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Martooni, non science type explain, good music touches you, it makes you relate to one or more experiences in your life. I like a wide range of music types, but music I love is much smaller, samplings of various music genres and each will make me stop what I am doing to just listen and feel the emotion they evoke. Really really good music still does that not matter how many times you have heard the song.

Of course it also very subject, we all have different trigger points - but the two you mentioned tonight are two of those songs that work for me.

Like a good recipe, often what makes the food really special is the event or circumstance we associate with that food.

Night all have fun with the recipes.

Posted by: dmd | November 22, 2006 11:10 PM | Report abuse

In general, one of the best ways to keep any kind of roast meat from drying out is a rotisserie -- a Weber with a rotisserie is wonderful. The rotisserie keeps the meat moist by defeating gravity. The juice and fat wants to drip out the bottom of the roast or turkey, but with the meat continually turning there is no bottom.

Posted by: LTL-CA | November 22, 2006 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Martooni, I think that certain harmonies (not necessarily the tunes themselves, but the patterns) resonate with something that was formed in us earlier. My happiest music-listening days were as a young child (classical and early rock n' roll); mid-teen years (Stones, Pink Floyd, The Who, even, Gawd 'elp me, Marc Bolen) and early adulthood (punk, mostly). So when I hear music that either *is* those songs, or harmonies that sound like them, it touches me more than newer stuff. So I think I'm an old fart too.

Posted by: Yoki | November 22, 2006 11:18 PM | Report abuse

My solution is the chinese solution: cut up the turkey, butcher it down to the bones (and use that and giblets for broth), and then slice or dice the turkey while raw, marinate it, then stir-fry it.

I'm working on my fifth marinade experiment-- an tamarind-based marinade.

The peanut sauce marinade (with a touch of sherry wine and lemon in it) came out very tender and mild and the breast meat was so moist and tender it was like butter.

The others are good in their ways, too. Just not sandwiching meat, but those are intended to be noshes while cooking the actual meal tomorrow.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 11:28 PM | Report abuse

The tamarind-ginger marinade is definitely a bit too exotic for my guests, but good to me.

All the marinades turned out good and very varied in taste, and the turkey is also uniformly tender. I am suspecting the peanut one will be the biggest hit, but let's see what the taste tests say.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 22, 2006 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I read a book recently called This Is Your Brain on Music, which goes into why certain pieces are pleasing - his theory is that there is something unexpected, like an octave shift, or something. Also why the music we love as teenagers is what usually remains our favorite. I can't remember all the answers he presented (and can't remember the author's name, sorry) - but as a non-musician, it was enlightening and very interesting.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 23, 2006 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Daniel J Levitin is the author:

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 23, 2006 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Hindus believe that certain rhythms are more healthy than others. I think there was a study done that ragaas (traditional music) was much more calming and healing than rock n roll (which with its hard rhythm and certain dissonance with bodily rhythm tends to be emotionally arousing). The Times of India mentioned it a while ago, but I'd have to look it up and find out.

I think we all develop our musical preferences. Infants have to learn rhythm kinetically (clap hands, be rocked in rhythm) to really get the rhythm, and I think an overly "auditory" theory of music has its pitfalls. People who really enjoy music tend to move to it.

It's the more complex music such as classical music that seem to take up more analysis and induce relaxation. I have tried to trace the rhythm of classical music from the beat, it takes a lot of focus for me because I am not that used to music to start with. I think the elegance and synchrony of complex patterns makes classical music a listening pleasure, but it's founded on basic rhythms and patterns familiar to western listeners.

There are physiological reasons why somebody's tapping foot becomes extremely annoying-- it's the frequency and the montony. It's a stimuli repeating before the stimuli has been extinguished and forgotten. It tends to set up an amplification effect, like two waveforms combining, that starts spiking the stimuli in sheer intensity every time it is experienced. This can happen with almost any stimuli-- flashing light for vision (in fact, this can cause seizures in humans if the flashes are too fast or alternating between red and blue), repetitive touches... almost any sensory module.
Smell and taste have a natural fatiguing and attenuating mechanism, but there probably IS a way to get around it and really drive somebody insane with olfactory and gustary annoyance ;).

It shouldn't surprise us, then, that there is a hardwired physiological basis for deriving pleasure from patterns that mesh well with how we process sensation.

It's been well observed that musical taste is strongly correlated with personality-- as a female deaf detective character in a book once said, "tell me what music you like and I'll deduce your personality preferences."

And yes, personality is also strongly related to how we perceive the world, how spicy we like our experiences, and so on ;).

Of course I have not read this book, but I have my own conceptions of how the brain works, so let's see if the book jazzes me any.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 23, 2006 1:03 AM | Report abuse

ml, that looks like a cool book.

this music discussion reminded me of schopenhauer on music:

he had some pretty wild things to say about aesthetics, and music was the highest art form in his opinion.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | November 23, 2006 1:03 AM | Report abuse

" music we do not recognize the copy or repetition of any Idea of existence in the world." (paraphrase of Scopenhauser's opinion on aesthetics.

Well, Schopenhauer lived before abstract art was in existence, but I can think of many architectural details that seem gratituous other than to give a certain beauty of shape not found in nature.

I wonder how he explained dance as "ideas" though. Some dance is narrative, but a good deal of it is not, but intended rather to create astract patterns of movement and color on stage. To me it falls in the same category as music.

I think to perceive music's impermanence (again, this was before the phonograph, let alone dvds) and music's basic reality as waves of sounds that pass by in the ear as equal to nonexistence is bollocks.

This whole thing seems bollocks to me, of course, just because I want to disagree with anybody who thinks a bunch of fat men in wigs huffing and puffing on big horns or twanging away on complex pieces of woods is automatically somehow more sublime than an exquisite sculpture that repeats elements and varies them in pleasing harmony ;).

It sounds like Schopenhauer was subconsciously associating music with the elevation of sound as the vehicle of speech and language and all that separates men from beasts. Arrrr.

Never mind that a retarded robin could whip the best soprano on so many measures of sound acuity and production. Tweet.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 23, 2006 1:23 AM | Report abuse

my paraphrase of schopenhauer, based more on a good article i read a long time ago (not the one i linked to), is that music has the ability to go directly to your gut. it bypasses cognitive processes and has the ability to move a person emotionally more than visual stimuli. he uses a lot of philosophical mumbo jumbo, and it is of course dated in the way he classifies some stuff, but there is some truth to it. at least in my experience. and some russian symbolist poets used schopenhauer's ideas about music in their aesthetics.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | November 23, 2006 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Philosophical mumbo jumbo?
I'm there, dude.

Posted by: Dreamer | November 23, 2006 2:20 AM | Report abuse

*shuffle shuffle, now? it's ok?*
HAPPY THANKSGIVING! Watch this space for Christmas greetings beginning Dec 12.

Martooni It sounds like we're the same age and dig the same music. Why do we react strongly to the noise of that era? Besides pop music turning to crap in the '70's I think the early twenties is when a person is most heavily into music which is the time nature is putting the final touches to our brains.
This is my theory, and what it is, by me

Posted by: AnneElk999 | November 23, 2006 5:24 AM | Report abuse

[damn you, computer... standing between my bed and the bathroom... with your Siren song and alluring blue glow... I am a moth.]

On Resonance:

So I've been thinking about "resonance". Too much, probably. I made the mistake of thinking about it just before I fell asleep, so I ended up having a long discussion with John Lennon and Miles Davis about it and here's what we came up with:

It's not just rock music. Certain classical pieces make me quiver at the cellular level, too. I know many find it cheesy, but Samuel Barber's "Adagio for Strings" does this to me. It's like certain notes played in a certain ways somehow manage to cut through the scar tissue of existence and make my DNA tingle... resonate, even.

The smell of freshly baked bread has a similar effect, but not quite as deep.

Seriously, when I heard that Who tune last night (Baba O'Riley) -- the smashing guitars and looping synthesizer riff, and that defiant scream (particularly) -- I felt *balance* and *peace*, which are typically strangers to me. It was as if all would be well with the world if only that tune would never end.

I'd say it was just an old fart pining for the old days, but I noticed Little Bean was caught up in it too. Until the song ended, it had her undivided attention (no small feat).

So I leave you with this (as I head back to bed):

Out here in the fields
I fight for my meals
I get my back into my living
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven

Don't cry
Don't raise your eye
It's only teenage wasteland

Sally, take my hand
Travel south cross land
Put out the fire
And don't look past my shoulder
The exodus is here
The happy ones are near
Let's get together
Before we get much older

Teenage wasteland
It's only teenage wasteland
Teenage wasteland
Oh, yeah
Teenage wasteland
They're all wasted!

Posted by: martooni | November 23, 2006 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Hey everybody ART BUCHWALD

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 7:18 AM | Report abuse

//an tamarind-based marinade. //
Are you kidding Wilbrod? Those cute little monkeys?
For shame. You're the kind of person who likes to add a twist of lemming.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving, my friends. My grandsons are here, and boy, have they grown. They're a little bit taller than me. Time does fly.

JA, forgot to wish you and family a happy day, and much good eating. And we're thankful for you as well.

I'm considering a short walk this morning, but it is so cold. Perhaps I can convince one of my grandsons to go with me.

I do hope everyone enjoys this day of thanksgiving and blessings through the gift of family and friends. Please be careful if you're on the road, and take your time.

It looks like the sun might peek out this morning after all that rain yesterday. God is good. And guess what? God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

To all on the boodle, I'm still receiving books. Words just don't seem to be enough to convey my feelings of thankfulness to all of you that have contributed to this worthy cause. And the children thank you also.

Here on the boodle, I have learned many things, and all of them good. I think one of the most important lessons I have learned is that one cannot lump all people into one mold, they simply don't fit. As a country we have our problems, and in order to address them, we certainly have to identify them, yet there is hope. Peace.

Posted by: Cassandra S | November 23, 2006 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

I have little to do today except for eat, drink, layaround and practise guitar. Wundering how much is too much? Well, I currently have 4 guitars, 3 electric, 1 acoustic. since I can only play 1 at a time, this may seem excessive, but in my defense of gluttonous materialism, my practice guitar I bought with my WashPo paper route money when I was 12, my wife bought me the Gibson Les Paul a few years back, and just 2 months ago my wife went by an estate sale and found a brand spanking new guitar, right out of the box, never been played, strings haven't even been tuned, Fender Stratocaster for $120. It was like walking down a road and stumbling over a gold nugget. Plays like a dream.

If my nephew shows interest, I'll give him my steel string acoustic today as I will be going over for dinner. I have this long-standing habit of buying guitars at yard sales and giving them out to people whose houses I visit regularly. I think every dwelling should have a guitar in it, if not just for decoration, but to give me something to do when everybody else gets stuck in front of the TV.

this brings back the memmory of the time I was watching the Skins game with my party buddies. I wanted to play, or tune the strings as I call it,on the guitar I left over there. Even though it was halftime, my friends protested. I found out why. In order to increase the TV reception, they had taken my aluminum cane and laid it between the antenea and the strings of the guitar. Party friends, indeed! Sheesh.

And on the last note..

I'm a little embarrassed to admit it, but quite some time ago, I wrote a program to parse the text of the Kit and Boodle and store it in an Access database. It can retrieve each individual post based on a standard SQL statement such as:
Select * from AchenDb where poster = 'pat' order by pDate
It might take me a few days to stupidproof, document, and post it to an FTP server, but if anybody is interested, I'll put it out there.

Posted by: Pat | November 23, 2006 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Pleeeese don't tell #2 about the Stratocaster, Pat. She was so happy when she got her Les Paul!

Posted by: Yoki | November 23, 2006 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Cassandra, and thanks everyone again for all you contribute here. I hope everyone has a fab day. The cookbook idea is intriguing. I could contribute beans and Angus stew recipes. I think a blog like this does need its own cookbook.

After that, we'll develop our own foreign policy.

Posted by: Achenbach | November 23, 2006 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Happy Turkey Day my american friends.

Cassandra how is your computer doing? Working better?

For those of you who complain about dry turkey, I'll submit that I never once complained about dry bird. Of course I have a habit of drowning my plate in gravy so what do I know.

As children my brothers and I had a saying about holiday meals.
If nothing burns it wasn't home cooked. Something always used to burn when Mom was cooking. She's improved to no comparison now, good enough to be a grandmother. Of course I think that is mostly because she no longer has three boys whining that they're starving to distract her from the food she's cooking.

Posted by: Kerric | November 23, 2006 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Boodle-related news in the Miami Herald: McCormick & Schmick's has come to Boca Raton, complete with $1.95 cheeseburgers and the Boca version of the Achenfish. Now all I need is some more south Florida boodlers (lurkers, I dare you to come out!) and we're in (BPH) business. Headline reads: "Flying fish: New spot in Boca wants it fresh"

Posted by: kbertocci | November 23, 2006 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Good Holiday to you'll Merikins.

Someone of Mediterranean ancestry (Padouk or bc ?) posted a tomato sauce in which a good chunk of beef simmered for hours. I learned the same recipe long go from an Eyetalian who swore this was the ONLY way a tomato sauce for lasagna should be made. It is somewhat true. This one should make it to the book and I may contribute the red&white lasagna recipe.

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 23, 2006 8:55 AM | Report abuse

JA: //After that, we'll develop our own foreign policy.//

This is what I'm thankful for!

Posted by: dbG | November 23, 2006 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Morning all, Cassandra I am so happy your grandsons are with you. Hoping everyone has the thanksgiving they wish for.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 9:13 AM | Report abuse

The cranberry chutney is ready. It has orange and raisins and toasted pecans (toasted in the toaster oven). And a bit of celery, and real cranberries as well.

Posted by: Jumper | November 23, 2006 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Recipe 2.0 was brainstormed after eating my sister's cranberry relish / chutney which is good, alongside my mother's contribution, the dreaded ubiquitous can-shaped cylinder of cranberry jelly on a plate. I noted that it should be possible to heat the jelly and re-solidify it in a mold. Mother's ears perked up at that. I decided to combine the two recipes with my own best efforts at perfecting the result into a superfantastic can't-be-beat recipe. I just happened to have the results of an experiment I did in drying oranges, which had worked wonderfully. Zest and orange segments halved were dried together in a warm oven for 36 hours, then totally dry, sealed and frozen. I added diced celery, toasted pecan pieces, diced apple, raisins, and dried cranberries. Looking at an online recipe for something similar, I discarded the idea of using any spices such as nutmeg and cinnamon, and just used a small dash of allspice; not much. I heated the contents of the can of cranberry jelly up in a sauce pan, added the other ingredients, noted that cranberry jelly WON'T really liquify, but kept on going. It worked. This year, the same except no apples. We'll see.

Posted by: Jumper | November 23, 2006 9:38 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, boodle, and Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. I'm about to start cooking a giant glazed ham (with pineapple and cloves, of course; is there any other way? of course not!) for tomorrow when we drive to Pennsylvania (hey! waving at the Padouks as we fly up the Penna. Turnpike northern extension) to visit my 90-year-old aunt and uncle.

We're going out with another couple (whose family has also grown and flown) for a big T-day dinner at the Broome-Howard Inn in historic St. Mary's City, Md. (site of the very first colony in Maryland, in 1634)--our very own Merlin Pilgrims, hon.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 23, 2006 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Of course there is at least one other way to glaze a ham : with maple syrup from Haute Maine. The real thing from the Sovietic Socialist Republic of Vermont (dixit Ann Coulter) may be acceptable as well.

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 23, 2006 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Add a little OJ or Cranberry juice to the Maple Syrup and it adds some zing.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

In the spirit of the mouse discussion colliding with recipes check out today's "Overboard" in Comics:

Pat, that sound slike a nifty little piece of code, I'd like to see it.

And a new Strat for $120?! Way cool!

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 23, 2006 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving to the Boodle!

And Happy Thursday to our Canadian Boodlers!

I'm thankful for all of you, for Joel, for the BPH and the Moveable BPH and the new friends I've made, for Yoki's cabbage recipe, Cassandra's grandsons (not to mention the g-girl) and that Error Flynn and others are making frequent drop-ins lately...

Posted by: TBG | November 23, 2006 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving, Yanks!

Up here, today is one of those days where the weather is saying with convincing finality that there will be no do-overs on lawn raking until April.

Posted by: SonofCarl | November 23, 2006 10:52 AM | Report abuse

At 8:54 this morning, Kerric posted this.

"For those of you who complain about dry turkey, I'll submit that I never once complained about dry bird. Of course I have a habit of drowning my plate in gravy so what do I know.

As children my brothers and I had a saying about holiday meals. If nothing burns it wasn't home cooked. Something always used to burn when Mom was cooking. She's improved to no comparison now, good enough to be a grandmother. Of course I think that is mostly because she no longer has three boys whining that they're starving to distract her from the food she's cooking."

In the interest of being clear and above board, and in a effort not to wierd anyone out, I am well known to Kerric as he is to me. Once upon a time I changed his diapers. The food burning thing should have pretty much made it clear we are related.

So a couple of things for further clarity's sake, he really is way too kind, I fear he blocks the memory of the truth of the burned food. It should also be noted that he liked that liver stew gravy (with fresh buns and butter for dipping).

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 11:01 AM | Report abuse

dr, for further clarity sake, the comment about your cooking being good enough for a grandmother - it that a message :-)?

Next time you see that boy give him a big hug for me, hope my kids are as kind to me when they are older.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Sweet heavens I hope not. I'm pretty sure not....Oh Kerric...

Actually no. He refers to my mom, who is a superior cook. We all aspire to be like her. I would rank her right up there with Loomis's pancakes, and Mudge's everything else.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 11:22 AM | Report abuse

No real message there dmd. She always rejects this as a compliment. Sometime one of us boys will get our act together, and force the issue.

dr it isn't that I block those memories. I actually became so used to it through time that I miss the crispied food from time to time.

Posted by: Kerric | November 23, 2006 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Happy Turkey Day Everyone..

Shrieking Denizen - That pasta sauce with the simmered meat was from my Italian Grandfather. I would be honored to have it in a cookbook.

There are two other traditional family recipes that I plan on sharing as soon as I return to Fairfax. The first is my British Grandmother's Christmas Plumb Pudding - the recipe is about 200 years old. It is rich like Bill Gates.

The second recipe if from my wife's family. It is a favorite cake recipe which, although it does not contain lard, is still a pretty good example of the delightful baked goods characteristic of the PA Dutch area.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 23, 2006 11:30 AM | Report abuse

SCC: That's plum pudding. A "plumb" pudding isn't nearly as good.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 23, 2006 11:39 AM | Report abuse

No RDP probably not, but it would be nice and level...

Posted by: Kerric | November 23, 2006 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Okay, this always happens, I'm way too organized. The table is set, all prep work is done, the turkey can't go in the oven yet, so I sit here mildly bored. Dinner isn't until around 6, as my overeducated waitress daughter has to work. I may end up watching more of Black Adder or maybe nap for a bit.

dr, I think it's great that your son is here too. Who came first, did each of you know the other was here? Details, please.

The sky report today is two words, pouring rain. Truly nasty out there, the rain is coming sideways from the north and the wind is blowing pretty good too. Very thankful that I don't have to go out in this.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | November 23, 2006 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Bad sneakers, I could use some of your organization!

Would it be beyond the pale to send the boodle a Thanksgiving card?

Back to the lemon bars.

Posted by: dbG | November 23, 2006 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Bad Sneakers - dr was here first. She advised me that the boodle would fit my sense of humor and nerdiness nicely. After a while I chose to look it up. Then I lurked for a month or two, and snuck in a few comments here and there. It took her a while to figure out who I was, and I had to give her a few hints too.

I am so glad I've stopped working in the trades today. It's cold and white out. However new job has me inside an office. Nice and warm in here.

Posted by: Kerric | November 23, 2006 12:01 PM | Report abuse

re Boko's outrageous accusation of tamarind marinade & monkey abuse: so what, I like a little bite to my food, it brings out my primate urges.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 23, 2006 12:02 PM | Report abuse

And for once, strangely on topic, he knew who I was when I posted my oatmeal bread recipe for Sara's shower.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Snowing again out there SoC?
You have all my sympathy on the rain Badsneakers. We just had the wettest (is that a word?) autumn in 50 years in Ottawa so the sunny but cold days we are having this week are a much welcomed change. Hopefully the water-saturated soil will have time to dry up a bit before the real cold sets in.
6 or 7 years ago we had heavy rain for a week in December then the weather changed to bitter cold, causing a massive tree kill the next spring. I lost a black walnut, a red maple and a sugar maple tree just on my 1 acre lot. The waterlogged root system of the trees exploded when the ice formed, water being one of the very few liquids that expands upon freezing of course. The trees made the first leaves from the nutrients stored in the trunk then withered and died. Black walnut is an excellent if pricey firewood.

So that will be a mostly Canadian boodle from now on.
O.K. let's discuss why the super efficient ice scrapers with the brass blade have disappeared from the market, is it because of the high price of copper or is it a somber machination of those dam Yankees to make us lose time in the morning, thus lowering our productivity? Discuss.

I may share my pork shanks and meatball stew recipe with the boodle sometimes before Christmas. Not that I think anybody will actually attempt that labor-intensive recipe but rather to put the recipe in writing. My version is a modification (nay, improvement) on my mother's recipe that is not written anywhere either. Like the world need another recipe of this time-honored definitely non-kosher & non-hallal meatfest. But I will finally have something to bequeath to the kids.

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 23, 2006 12:12 PM | Report abuse

If your kids love it sure, write it down. They'll be awed at your labor and energy.

Posted by: WIlbrod | November 23, 2006 12:19 PM | Report abuse

dbg, I'm worse than your friend, the one that does not know anything about computers.

Kerric, some of those signs are still around, and the one at the bottom is especially worrisome because I cannot do the spyware thing, not being able to do the next button.

I'm out of here, I am not going to let this computer throw my Thanksgiving Day. Thanks all, and have a very good day.

Posted by: Cassandra S | November 23, 2006 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Wow... now that we've found out that Kerric and dr are related are there more surprises for us?

Like is it going to turn out that Wilbrodog is related to Wilbrod?

What about ScienceTim? Does he know StorytellerTim?

Posted by: TBG | November 23, 2006 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Great card dbG. dr and Kerric, that's a great story. I suppose all of us have posted things here that would "out" us to someone else here, if that person knew us in real life. I don't think there are too many boodlers from MA, so I'm not worried. Also, I don't know that many people!

Just thinking about how much my life has changed since last Thanksgiving, moving, leaving my job, "S" moving in full-time, all good stuff, altho' I do need to find another job. I'm very thankful that the move went well, and was done before the housing slump. Also thankful for my family and their continued good health, my friends, who have always been there when I needed them, "S" who is a truly wonderful, easy-going and funny man. And I can't forget how glad I am that I found this wonderful group of imaginary friends. I've learned a lot of stuff, laughed a lot and cried a little, what more could one ask for in a friendship?

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | November 23, 2006 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Easiest. Beef. Roast. Ever.

One beef blade roast with the bones in. At least 3" thick, the thicker the better.
One packet of onion soup, preferably a premium brand that is less likely to contain more than 50% salt.
Aluminium foil. (Aluminum foil works too.) It is easier to make a leakproof package with the extra-wide heavier type. It also makes better hats so keep a roll handy.

Put the blade roast on a good length of foil and spread the content of the soup packet on top of the meat. Make a leaktight package. Two layers of foil are better than one. Put the package in the middle of the oven.

The only difficult part is determining the optimum cooking time.
Minimum : 3.5 hours at 260°F-265°F
Good: 4.5-5.0 hours at 240°F-245°F
The best (if the house insurance is paid up and the oven setting is not likely to change itself to "Joan of Arc" during the day) : 9.0 hours at 220°F-225°F
Slap it in the oven before leaving the house for work and come home to the aroma of one of the best and cheapest roast you will ever enjoy.

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 23, 2006 12:53 PM | Report abuse

dr and Kerric - I never would have guessed (but I'm slow on the uptake).

My kid is still asleep - he was only out until midnight. I don't think he has scurvy, although I haven't tried yanking on his teeth. He got himself a MacBook yesterday (on sale), so I guess he's doing ok financially, or at least is credit-worthy. He has one of those nanoPods, too - I'll have to give it a listen.

Cassandra, not sure what you mean about not being able to run the spyware - what "next button"? Sometimes if you right-click on the popup, you can close it, if it's in the way. I know how maddening and nefarious these things can be - I had a heck of a time getting rid of it, and I'm a computer professional! Try downloading the anti-spyware programs and running them - hopefully that will help.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 23, 2006 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey! TBG, I just work for Wilbrod!

Just one of those stranger meets stranger in a shelter deals, don't you know?

I do suspect that I'm a reincarniation of a Loomis relative who died in combat, though. I'm not sure which one, was kind of a long ago-- I remember crowns, the smell of horses and sweat, and arrows.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | November 23, 2006 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Copper bladed ice scrapers? That sounds wonderful. I like the ones that have a mitt attached, so your hand stays warm (since I eschew gloves). I have an ice scraper now that has a rubber blade and a hard plastic blade that works pretty well, although mostly I'm getting condensation off, not ice so much.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 23, 2006 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Shrieking, how about you invent a heated scrapper, something that would be just warm enough to help chip of the ice, and one with a soft blower on it to removed deep powder snow. Plastic scappers are awful.

Enjoying the sunshine here as well, fairly warm as well - a pleasant change from the rain and gloom.

Between my Thanksgiving envy, the sunshine, the recipes and an email I received from Ontario tourism promoting various wine and culinary weekends at Resorts, I have to say concentrating on work is tough today. One of the places advertised was for a weekend of cooking courses and wine tasting in Niagara sounded really good.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Shrieking, Would this work in a slow cooker, or would you have to add a little wine too?

Posted by: dbG | November 23, 2006 1:47 PM | Report abuse

dbg, I have done something similar in a slow cooker, water to cover, onion soup mix, beef broth, tomatoe paste and selection of spices to taste. You could add potatos and vegetables but as I have young children who cannot have foods mixed together I do it separately. I have also done this with hot spices and green pepper added.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 1:53 PM | Report abuse

One of the nice things about working for an american based international company is that, hey it's Thanksgiving, free turkey for all employees. Even those of us in other countries.

It also helps that we service americans, so it's dead slow here today. Meaning I can boodle all I want with few work related interuptions.

Posted by: Kerric | November 23, 2006 1:55 PM | Report abuse

dbg, forgot add wine if you wish.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 1:56 PM | Report abuse

dbG, I wouldn't know because a slow cooker is a kitchen implement I am not familiar with. It is easy enough do in the oven and it warms up the kitchen on cold days.
I covet a slow cooker but I am not likely to buy one ever. Our kitchen is small and does not have much storage room despite a recent investment in more cupboards and drawers. I have to negotiate storage space for every new cooking gadget that would have to displace some of Mrs. Denizen's baking hardware. I'm working on a Culinar robot that can be procured with air miles at this time but it's a difficult case to make in the aftermath of the recent acquisition of a new 12" sauteuse and large cast iron dutch oven. I insist the robot is dual-use because making pie crust dough with it would be a cinch but I got no bite yet.

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 23, 2006 2:06 PM | Report abuse

There are so many things you can do with those robo machines, right down to bread dough. They are very very good but Mrs. Denizen is right, it all can be done another way. I feel just awful saying that. I may have talked myself right out of replacing my broken unit.

I have a slow cooker, but I think one of those portable ovens would be better than a slow cooker, more versatile. That is according to my mom, who as I say, knows all.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I should mention, my preferrred window scraper is one with a really hard rubber blade and a short handle. The long handles with the brush on the other end defeats me. I can't seem to get any pressure on the blade.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I know this is more Winegartian, but it can't wait for next week.

That was found while checking out this precious tidbit.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Is a robot like a food processor? I have one on my counter, use it every day. Makes great salad too!

Pour oil, vinegar, etc. in the feed tube while it's running. Throw in a fresh clove of garlic and let it all mix well.

Switch to a cutting blade, feed in cukes, tomatoes, lettuce, whatever, grate in some cheese. Turn it off, turn the bowl over and eat.

I used to demo for Cuisinart, they gave me everything!

dr, I agree with your mom, but somebody gave me the slow cooker first. For anyone who's out of the house all day, it's great.

Posted by: dbG | November 23, 2006 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The Cuisinart Boodle Massacree.

Posted by: dbG | November 23, 2006 3:15 PM | Report abuse

It is the same dbG. Cuisinart apparently kept the French name (robot culinaire) for the Canadian market.

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 23, 2006 3:17 PM | Report abuse

SCC Sorry for the expletive in my 03:17. I forgot the new rule.

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 23, 2006 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Still a couple of hours till the turkey's done. dmd, I googled "heated ice scraper" and there are lots - one even has a titanium blade! I didn't see any with blowers, though.

Yes, "wettest" is a word, and we are it. Still raining here and 40 degrees F. Yuk.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 23, 2006 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, mostly.

I use it a lot, but it's not my most essential piece of cooking equipment. My votes would have to go for:
(1) Large chef's knife
(2) Old cast iron flat pan. About the size of a medium tortilla, slanted sides only come about 1/4"
(3) 6 qt. stockpot

Posted by: dbG | November 23, 2006 3:23 PM | Report abuse

That's ok, SD, being so close to Quebec and all:

More breaking panda news:

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 23, 2006 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I thought you were talking about a food processor, Shrieking. I use mine a lot, it's one of the few things I'm allowing on my new countertop, but I understand kitchen appliance overload. I used to have a pasta maker, a peanut butter maker, a fondue pot, all went into the dumpster when I moved. Anything I don't use more than once a year (if that) isn't worth giving storage space to.

It's still pouring buckets here too, Mostly. I've discovered that my chimney damper isn't water tight. I kept hearing a drip, drip, drip so I put some newspaper in there. I know we need to cap the chimney, was hoping to wait til spring, maybe not! Was also hoping to light a fire tonight when everyone arrives, but I'm afraid I'd be sending smoke signals instead.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | November 23, 2006 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Ohhh mostly you had to post that, I have been retraining myself all day

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"What's Cooking in the Boodle?".

I'd buy a copy.


Posted by: bc | November 23, 2006 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I would too. Good thing everyone thinks like us. :-)

My entry is "The Kitchen Kaboodle"

Posted by: Anonymous | November 23, 2006 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The Nation thing got high coverage in the news today. It is a rather astute purely political declaration with zero practical value or consequences that put a stick in the opposition's eye. Harper must have been grinning like the Cheshire cat all day.
I do not own much gadgetry Bad Sneakers, mostly pots and pans. The lady has mold, cookie cutters, rollers mixing bowls and so on. It adds up quickly in a smalland old kitchen. I just get tired to shred cabbage with the old mandoline for cole slaw, slice and dice parsley forever to make tabouleh or misuse the blender to purée basil leaves for pesto (although we make pistou, the [censored] version). I must have the processor.

I'll steal the recipe for "cat turds in their litter" from the missus and share it with the boodle. They are simple to make all-natural delicious date-based cookies rolled in coconut.

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 23, 2006 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I think Harper will find, his little gamble will work in the house but not so much outside the hill.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 4:02 PM | Report abuse

A masterful stroke of political one-up-manship, isn't it DMD. I'll be waiting to hear how the rest of the country reads it.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Ask and you will receive dr, sampling from the Globe.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Kitchen Kaboodle - nice.

I've never gone for a metal blade window scraper - I find the newer plastic ones good enough. What I do appreciate are the newer ergonomic snow shovels with the bended handle.

I thought the "nation" thing to be well done. The Bloc was just sending it up so that they could take faux umbrage regardless of what happened.

Kerric, were you also SonofDr?

Posted by: SonofCarl | November 23, 2006 4:35 PM | Report abuse

That is about the reaction that I expected from the media and political persons. I'm suprised that there is no comment from more eastern media or politicians.

Posted by: Kerric | November 23, 2006 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Re: Canadian situation
I blame Peter McKay.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 4:40 PM | Report abuse

About the only thing I heard was a caution from Ontario Premier. It is the word Nation that people struggle with.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Yes SoC, he was.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The irony SoC is that Harper may just have made things much easier for the Liberals. A contenious issue in their own party in now open to debate by all. If this idea goes down in flames,like so many other issues regarding Quebec and "favoured status" etc, it will be on Harpers sholders.

History does not bode well for success on this topic. Once again it is seen as a PM pandering to Quebec.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 4:58 PM | Report abuse

SCC by 4:58 several errors.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 5:00 PM | Report abuse

If someone with no income is bringing expensive items into your house the best you can hope for is to hear from collection agencies. And the rest of your family.

Posted by: Rochveiwko999 | November 23, 2006 5:01 PM | Report abuse

In with the good air
Out with the bad
In with the good air
Out with the bad
C'mon boodle
How odd, reincarated before death.

Posted by: GuynextoRochveiwko999 | November 23, 2006 5:30 PM | Report abuse


I can't eat another morsel.

I need a nap.

I think it was the bottle of Chateau Ste. Michelle Johannisberg Riesling my wife and I split.

To say nothing of the turkey. And the pork loin. And the grilled sea bass. And the apple pie.

Oh, that was so good.


Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 23, 2006 5:34 PM | Report abuse

dmd, I don't really think the idea will "go down in flames" because Quebec IS a distinct society/nation/sure as heck different regardless of what the rest of us think.

All this Canadian constitutional wrangling should serve as a reminder of one more thing the U.S. boodlers should be thankful for today.

Posted by: SonofCarl | November 23, 2006 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Thank Goodness, it's only digesting.
Carry on.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Harper's Conservative Party is the is the CCRAParty in respectable clothes. Quebec will never accept the hard-line neo-con twaddle of that gang.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 5:43 PM | Report abuse

It will however weaken everyone else's bargaining position. You really must control the place you live.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 5:47 PM | Report abuse

No pumpkin pie? Sweet potatoe? Just apple.

Speaking of which, Kerric is the person of the home made piecrust and fresh apple pie.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I am so there with you on the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz thing!

Just too stuffed for words. So let me not try to add any.

Posted by: Cassandra S | November 23, 2006 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, that's the Canadain Conservative Reform Alliance Party.
You see, when the right right wing in Canada realized that they were splitting their vote between the Conservative Party and the Reform Party they got together and created a party called CCRAP. On national television.
They now run the country.
Happy Thanksgiving

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could sleep, but we need to evict those kids first. They're too hyper and somebody has to keep an eye on them in case they get in trouble.

So I'm STILL on duty for Wilbrod et al. to advise of the whereabouts of all minors, as well as doing some heavy-duty fetch. I'm working like-- uh, no simile allowed as I AM a dog. Darn.

Day of relaxation, bah! This is the most nap-deprived I've been in a while.

Good eats, though. And more eats to come just as soon as we get those wonderful, fun and TIRING guests out the door. Back to more fetch. Sigh.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | November 23, 2006 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Ah but we needed a change Boko.

Willbroddog, did you get pumpkin pie?

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 6:11 PM | Report abuse

1st post wasn't specific enough: Sorry

I'm sorry, that's the Canadain Conservative Reform Alliance Party.
You see, when the right`wing in Canada realized that they were splitting their vote between the Conservative Party and the Reform Party, some of them got together and created a third party called CCRAP.
During the day
On national television.
They now run the country.
Happy Thanksgiving

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Dear neighbor Canuckistanis:

You folks really need to glom onto this Thanksgiving gig. When the Pilgrims landed, there was no country here, and they came from England, right? So...why can't you have Thanksgiving in Canada like we do here? So why can't you be thankful that a bunch of English people came to North America, and no worry too much about picky little distinctions. Just look at the major, major bennies: you get a day off in mid-week, and often it turns into a four-day weekend. Then ya got yer major food bennies. If you'd rather watch the Calgary Runaway Persons play the Edmonton Roughpersons, that's up to you (I mean, I hate Dallas, and never had any affection for Detroit, so the football aspect is certainly very minimal as far as I'm concerned. It's pretty much all about the food, IMHO.)

You guys really need to think about this. Seriously.

Yes, dr, there was combination sweet potato/pumpkin pie, which my wife had, and I picked the apple because we're having our own pumpkin pie here over the weekend.

Among other things, they had a cranberry chutney that had cloves in it that was to die for. I'm getting the recipe for it, and will pass it on.

Wilbrodog, does Wilbrod let you have leftover turkey bones? It's a dog's life isn't it, I suppose. I, too, have my challenges. I think I can make it through Ugly Betty OK, but it's going to be a struggle making it all the way through Grey's Anatomy at 9. And I really like Shark, but jeez, 10 p.m.? I dunno, guys...


Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 23, 2006 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I actually got to watch them do it.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Sigh, except for the nation we may not speak of, got here first. Mudge, I agree we should stick to football, curling, hockey, and invading the nation to the south of us one bright singing star at a time. (gratuitous Celine Dion reference)

By the way, the first big curling event is on the weekend. The Continental Cup will play on CBC the 25 and 26.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Curmugeon, but this announcement will throw open a lot of questions about the very existence of Canada.
You see, we're a Democracy, not a republic
The neo-cons feed on disruption, this fool will burn out.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 6:24 PM | Report abuse

You can't fudge it with John Cabot, dr? Or at least, throw the [censored] a sop and have turkey and poutine. But you're really missing out on a great little scam here.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 23, 2006 6:26 PM | Report abuse

We actually do have Thanksgiving up here too, but we have it in October. We always get a Monday off; smart move having it on Thursday. Small consolation: we and the Brits have "Boxing Day" on Dec 26. Nobody knows what this holiday is about but it's a conspiracy of silence since, what, who wants to work Dec 26?

dr, "invading"? I thought we deported her?

Posted by: SonofCarl | November 23, 2006 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Bobk are you sure that you should be using those severe labels. It doesn't seem quite Canadian to apply them so strongly.

Last time I checked we were more of a remove em label kind of people. Sort of like the post it notes of the world. Insignificat really, but we hang around and do what we must to make the world a better place. That goes for all Canadians from both sides of the fence.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I had the leftover turkey bones (short bones) on Sunday, Mudge, when Wilbrod butchered the turkey and froze it.

I had plenty of mashed potatoes, stuffing, turkey bits, some pan drippings that didn't make it to the gravy stage, and a little black-eyed peas and green beans-- in other words, thanksgiving leftovers-- what the kids didn't finish eating, I got to eat as my tenth career as a garbage disposal.

I didn't get sweet potato tarts (bah) or anything really sweet like ice cream (grrr).

There was no pumpkin pie, although there's canned pumpkin I may get a taste of in the short future. Another thanksgiving dinner coming up on Saturday, and this time there's 4 kids including one who's under 3 so I anticipate plenty of spills to clean up as a fur-lined vacuum cleaner.

Wilbrod really does work me to the bone, you know. Today I had to pick up some toys that fell on the floor, as well as a big can half full of peanuts, that was a tough pick-up. And I fetched the same rope toy maybe 100 times. Sigh.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | November 23, 2006 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Etymylogical trivia: In the [censored] language, turkey is "dinde", as in d'Inde, so the [censored] didn't know where turkeys came from either.

Posted by: SonofCarl | November 23, 2006 6:33 PM | Report abuse

If I'd made it up, yes.
But when they do it during the day
On national televisionn
I feel less restrained

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 6:33 PM | Report abuse

SCC *more* restrained, Dagnabit

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 6:36 PM | Report abuse

SCC Boko. Sorry about that. I zigged when I should have zagged.

You mean Giovanni Caboto. Hey wait a minute. If an Italian was here first...

Actually he is thought to have landed on Newfoundland first, and that fine province stayed a colony of Britian till 1949. But since Canada was dominioned before Newfoundland came aboard, Giovanni isn't the first.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I see Wilbrodog was also busy blogging as well. He's now napping peacefully once he reminded me I still had food left on the table... huh-oh, he heard me typing and decided to be sure I was writing nice things about him. He's curled up again and looking wistfully at the empty apartment.

SFX: violins playing slow, jazzy blues.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 23, 2006 6:40 PM | Report abuse

You know, I make a breakfast of champions sort of food from cream of wheat, cream of oats, or cornmeal and pumpkin, yam, or sweet potatoes. It also makes a great desert for with a light soup on a cold winter day.

Take your basic corn bread recipe. Add pumpkin, some extra milk, spices, and if you wish, more sugar. Bake as usual. Kind of a mushy desert pudding breakfast of champions food for cold winter days.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Ok, the roads are awful, and I have 2 options. I can go sit in a cold car with the rest of the madding crowds waiting to get onto the freeway, or I can stay at work half hour longer working and get home at about the same time. Since I am choosing the second, please quaff a beverage on my behalf. Tea is fine, but if you have a spare irish cream or amaretto, I shan't complain.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 6:58 PM | Report abuse

God Bless Vespuceland

Posted by: ThefirstGuy | November 23, 2006 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, still not Vespuceland.

Leifland, maybe, but then again, it was most likely Newfoundland. So again the 2 solitudes.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 7:17 PM | Report abuse

What would Montiseque say? Dat Kebek She looks like a contry to me.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Mudge we were French before we were British. By the way your pie sounded great.

SoC, I personally would support a declaration of Quebec as a distinct society in terms of culture, language. I do have problems with the word nation, I see it causing legal issues down the road.

I also want the issue settled once and for all, no more best 2 out of 3. I would hope we can settle to the best of the whole nation and that Quebec will stay with the Federation.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I echo your third paragraph dmd. I'd just like to see the thing settled. I'd guess most of us feel that way.

Boko, that one is going to take me all the way home. You know when i was a kid there was a tv series after school, called "d'Iberville". I remember a lot of horse riding, charging to see stuff, moderate sword fights, and lace on the cuffs of his shirts and one of those stirring manly theme songs. A really hunky French actor played him, but I have no idea what his name was. I must spend some time reading about d'Iberville. He is also known as the discoverer of the Mississippi gulf coast.

Posted by: dr | November 23, 2006 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Drive safely dr.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 7:39 PM | Report abuse

A friend of ours picked us up at Carleton in a military deuce and a half and deposited us in front of le'hibou in the middle of the October Crisis. It's the only time I got to the front of the line.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 7:39 PM | Report abuse

James Cotton would play outside for everybody

Posted by: boko999 | November 23, 2006 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Boko, what do you remember of the October crisis, I studied it a fair amount by was too young to remember, just 7.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Martin Scorcese filmed the "Last Waltz" 30 years ago this weekend

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 7:49 PM | Report abuse

It is generally thought that Leif Erikson's "Markland" was the coast of Labrador (which is mainland), so that would be the first.

Posted by: SonofCarl | November 23, 2006 7:50 PM | Report abuse

The calling out of the military was a stunt . Sops to the morons who demand action. You combat terrism with police work.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 7:54 PM | Report abuse

And Special Ops

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Hendrix had died in August and the Beatles had broken up.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, that would be the fine Washington state wine from Chateau Ste. Michelle, eh? I had a glass of Pinot Grigio that made me sleepy (some sort of cheap California wine).

Maybe you Canadians could settle the Quebec question with rock-paper-scissors.

And yeah, Canadians sensibly celebrate Thanksgiving in October, when travel conditions are better and there are more fresh vegetables. But they did miss out by scheduling it on a Monday.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 23, 2006 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Mostly, I think there are many Canadians who would be happy to settle it with Rock, Paper, Scissors.:-)

You are so right about the Monday, think about how difficult it would be to go to work tomorrow after such a big dinner, then add it two previous days of activity, its is raking season, farmer if you still live on the land, travelling etc. I hate that Tuesday after Thanksgiving.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Just finished the pumpkin pie and coffee, the dishes are done, and we're relaxing in front of CSI: Miami. (OK, watching a bunch of maggots fall out of the ceiling isn't at all relaxing, but the offspring likes this show.) Had the usual turkey, etc., with the nouveau beaujolais (did I spell that right?), which has become something of a family tradition. A nice glass of old, old bourbon to wash it down afterward. I don't drink much in the way of alcohol, so this was a special treat. Might need to taste a second glass, just to make sure it is as good as I remember....

Interesting twist to the boodle, with Canadian history and politics that don't get a lot of coverage down here in the boonies. Enjoying it, as usual.

Everyone have a lovely evening.

Posted by: bigcranky | November 23, 2006 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Could the time that we claim that Thanksgiving happens have any consequences effecting our unconditional claim to the whole Artic

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh Dear

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I remember the October crisis vividly. I was, what, 15, and interested in politics. We were living in Edmonton, but had just come back from Switzerland (this is relevant).

I was deeply upset by the bombs in mailboxes, kidnappings and murders, and the over-response to it; for the second time in my life, I felt that politics mattered deeply in our daily lives. At the time, most Edmontonians felt that what happened in Eastern Canada (and specifically Ottawa and Kewbeck) had nothing to do with them. I felt quite otherwise.

I was living in Switzerland when the Russian tanks rolled into Czechoslovakia (as it then was) in '68, and because the western border of Czechoslovakia is not so far from the easter border of Switzerland, everyone was upset. The Russians are Coming! The telephone rang night and day as we received reports of the advance; embassies contacted their resident nationals to arrange evacuation. Mothers stockpiled food and water and took their children out of school to huddle in the mountain fastnesses (sort of like DC on a snow day :0). Fathers (cousins, older brothers, uncles, even grandfathers) hauled out their military rifles and polished up their boots and reported for duty (all Swiss men do compulsory military service and are on call in times of crisis). I was terrified. It passed, as these things do.

When Quebec went up in political flames, all that fear came back.

Boko, I agree that Trudeau was *showing off* by declaring military rule. "Just watch me." Terrorism really is best combatted through police/criminal channels.

I think what is often forgotten in the debates around the 'new terrorism' is that the old rules still apply. Even though people believe in their guts that it is religiously-inspired, there are still political goals. Many of us have lived in Europe (anybody remember Bader-Meinhof?) or England (IRA & now) or Israel under sudden threat; the definitive way to defeat the cells has always been to use human intelligence, hard slogging police work and criminal law. And it succeeds. That is why Bader-Meinhof is nearly forgotten, now. They had criminal trials under habeas corpus, and went to jail forever (and are/were visited by the Red Cross).

Posted by: Yoki | November 23, 2006 8:49 PM | Report abuse

On a happier note, I began searching the archives for recipes today, and have entered 15 (?) of them into the software to create "The Kitchen Caboodle" (or whatever it ends up being) cookbook.

I have now:

Joel's Quick Beans (hahahaha)
Loomis' Apple-Cranberry Pie
slyness' Baking Powder Biscuits
nellie's Charleston Chicken Pilau
Nani's Chicken and Dumplings
Yoki's Dumplings
Shrieking's Best. Beef Roast. Ever.
kbertocci's Florida Mexi-Cuban Chicken
Pixel's Yogurt & Apricot Dip
Curmudgeon's Jeremiad Steak Sauce
CulinaryTim's former Turkey
Loomis' Way Over-promoted Pancakes
Yoki's Red Cabbage
nellie's Taco Soup
'Mudge's Vidalia Onion Appetizer

The ones that are sort of hard to cookbookize are the narrative recipes. That's OK, but if anybody wants to email me the real recipe it will cut down on the production time. You will then receive an acknowledgment from my real email (with my real name!).

This is too fun. Lot's of creative cooks on the Boodle!

Posted by: Yoki | November 23, 2006 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I did a paper in university and I certainly do not recall all the research I did for it, but I remember parts. Keeping in mind that each history text will have biases and quite possibly a different viewpoint. One source I used dealt with the Crisis in a more global perspective, I recall the early 70's, the red brigade, hijackings, unrest in many places, this book put the Quebec situation in that mold. It attributed some of the over reaction to the fear that the situation would escalate. I also recall reading that the RCMP was not up to speed on who was involved and relied heavily on the FBI for support and intelligence.

It was also a remarkable period of change in this country, rapidly changing to an urban society and with it the problems that ensue.

I often think of those early 70's as kind of a dark period, perhaps it is just that I do not recall clearly enough, or that my memories focus on much of the ugliness. In some ways current events both home and abroad seem to be echoing that era, only magnified.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Most of who were over 13 in the early-mid 70s recall them rather hazily. Not because they worse than any other time, but because there, were, well, substances, you know?

Posted by: Yoki | November 23, 2006 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey, dr, SoC, etc. Were you out on the roads today? Calgary was horrendous. Simply awful. Wretched.

And it isn't going to be any better tomorrow.

Posted by: Yoki | November 23, 2006 9:18 PM | Report abuse

We do have Boxing Day. And it does have a meaning and a history.

In England, during feudal times, the great houses had three Christmas traditions. The first was that on Christmas Day, the household feasted.

On the day after Christmas, all the left-overs were boxed up (see, see!) and the ladies of the household distributed the largess to their tenants and the poorhouse (thus Boxing Day). They purposely made more food than the household could consume, to be sure to have good stuff for the box-receivers (is that a sports position?).

On New Year's Eve, there was another feast at the manor or great house, to which the entire neighbourhood was invited; this time, the servants and tenants and poor sat at table, while the lords and ladies (or yeoman and freemen) waited on them (which was a little ironic, since the guests had been working all week to prepare the food and setting [sort of like me between the 18th of December and January 1]).

My heritage is Scottish (but not c*ap) and they had a better system, still ongoing when I was a little girl. Christmas was for the children, unreservedly. New Year's Eve (Hogmanay) was for the adults; there were traditions around the visiting (I often got to be First Foot with my Dad, because we were the one's with black hair). Good fun. And of course, because the Scots were, rather than had, servants, there was never a class difference between the visitors.

What I object to is not Boxing Day (during which our family still goes, as we do on Christmas Day, to cook and serve at the local homeless shelter) but Boxing Week, which is a purely commercial construct.

Posted by: Yoki | November 23, 2006 9:36 PM | Report abuse

After he invoked the War Measures Act he made sure no one could do it again by cobbling together a constitution worthy of grownups

Posted by: Anonymous | November 23, 2006 9:42 PM | Report abuse

He wasn't kidding, he let loose the horsemen

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Boko999 said: he let loose the horsemen

Yoki: Should I assume that the anonymous 09:42 PM is also a 999?

Come on, Boko. Why the inflamatory rhetoric?

Posted by: Yoki | November 23, 2006 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Ahh Yoki, if only it were Boxing Week, when I worked downtown, I worked in the corporate offices of a large retailer above the flagship store. The whole month of January seemed to be Boxing Week, of course after the first week the store was a virtual ghost town until close to Valentines. It always seemed so barren afer the Christmas decorations were removed.

Posted by: dmd | November 23, 2006 10:38 PM | Report abuse

30 years ago, I'm sure they've gone home now.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Yes, it does seem barren after Christmas. Christmas is so winter solistice but after the decorations go, there's just slush, grey fog and snow and not a lot to look forward to before spring other than a couple of holiday weekends (in USA anyway).

And Valentine's day is a lousy holiday.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 23, 2006 10:59 PM | Report abuse

St. Valentine's Day *is* a lousy holiday.

It might have been purposefully designed to make the single feel inadequate and the coupled unworthy.

Let's do away with it.

In that dreary February time, perhaps we could create a new reason for celebration (just before we craft the new foreign policy).

If I were truly the diva I imagine myself, I would declare February 19th (or the nearest business day) "Cross-border friendship Day."

There. Done.

Posted by: Yoki | November 23, 2006 11:09 PM | Report abuse

SCC: Friendship

Posted by: Yoki | November 23, 2006 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, 3:53 was me, caught between panic mode because the dining room table still had jewelry on it and a born-to-procrastinate mode which keeps me from doing many things until it's a crisis. Hence, had to post.

My guests just left, it was so nice. I've been good friends with these women since we were 14, 13 and 15 (2 sisters). One of them has always done dinner in the past. Some of their kids came, some went to spouse families. Tomorrow night, they'll all be back for leftovers. I think I served many more veggies than we grew up with, so we were full but not stuffed. The dogz got a little of everything and a lot of attention.

Happy Thanksgiving to all, and to all a good night. I am thankful for the Boodle and all other things in my life.

Posted by: dbG | November 23, 2006 11:19 PM | Report abuse

>God Bless Vespuceland

So this is all you've got?

Elder #1:
Yes... but, aren't you the True White Brother who's supposed to come and live with us in peace?

Chore! Therefore, I claim this rich, verdant pasture land in the name of the Empire of Spain!

Spaniard #1:
Hey, Capitano, the rain, she's a stop to fall, and the corn, she's all dead!

Shut up, Vespucci! I claim this stinking desert in the name of the Empire of Spain forever - let's go!

All Spaniards in chorus (to the tune of God Bless America):
God bless Vespucciland! Mmm, mm, mm, mmm...

Oh, by the way, you're all Catholics now, Domini, Domini, Domini, God bless you and...

(The Firesign Theater, "Winning of the West")

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 23, 2006 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving to all of those who observe it and to all of our Great Northern Neighbors, well, it's almost the weekend. Go out shopping and improve the economy of your choice.

Shifting gears back to the top of the boodle (I'm not even halfway through it), I was pleasantly surprised to see the Jan Smithers mentions. I loved the show and I definitely had a thing for the Bailey Quarters character.

Mudge mentioned "The Big Sleep" and the bookstore scene. That is not in the original novel. But it is a great, great scene.

Posted by: pj | November 23, 2006 11:21 PM | Report abuse

At the Custer Mememorial Indian School Eddie is a prize student

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Today we're giving him away!

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 23, 2006 11:34 PM | Report abuse


That's one of my favorite bits in that Firesign piece. Also the great butte/mound pun that immediately follows:

Elder #1:
..., it's the Eye of the Holy Serpent Mound on which you're standing.

Settler #2:
It's a beaut!

Elder #2:
No, it's a mound.

Settler #2:
And right purty too... Can you move it?

Elder #1:
But why?

Railroad's comin' through - right now!

Posted by: pj | November 23, 2006 11:37 PM | Report abuse

.....Got any peyote?

Posted by: pj | November 23, 2006 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that whole thing is incredible. I should put it on the schedule for tomorrow.

"Oh, niiice paisley horsie! Give the horsey a sugarcube."


Over and out...

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 23, 2006 11:41 PM | Report abuse

That's the quartering of the universcdddooommmmmoooddddddm

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Your paper's please
I'm sorry man I've only got a pipe
then you better come with me

Posted by: Boko999 | November 23, 2006 11:57 PM | Report abuse

That's the Sun Alter

Posted by: Boko999 | November 24, 2006 12:11 AM | Report abuse

PartyPoker mistook the open boodle as a cheat program. Go figure. Good Night!

Posted by: Boko999 | November 24, 2006 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Yes, mostly, the Chateau Ste. Michelle is Washington state. A really dee-lish riesling, with a tangy bite. It just became my favorite riesling. Wowy. And the Post wine critic Ben Gilberti was just writing about it the other day, which is what caught my attention when I saw it on the wine list.

dr and dmd, I don't think you folks quite understand the point of my suggestion. The idea isn't to be historically accurate and faithful to "the truth" about your country's founding--it's about a faux four-day holiday featuring massive food idolatry. You don't think we take seriously all that crap about Plymouth Rock, Priscilla Alden and Miles Standish, do you? C'mon, it's a fairy tale.

Yoki, I've been modifying and tinkering with my Vidalia onion recipe, so hold that one and I'll send you the new, improved, fully authorized version (with a beer variant!!!), plus a handful of others I've alluded to. Maybe late Sunday. Right now we're about to hit the highway and drive up to the Poconos to visit some relatives; yesterday I made my killer green bean casserole, a bourbon-pineapple-glazed ham, and a corn pudding, which we're taking (we sort of invited ourselves for dinner, so...). Be back on the boodle tomorrow night, I expect.

Happy leftovers, group.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 24, 2006 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Well mudge fairy tale or no, at least you know the reason for celebrating Thanksgiving, a little history adds fun, ours just seems plain - I would jump on a four day weekend.

Safe travels.

Posted by: dmd | November 24, 2006 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Yoki - I just sent you the "World Cup Pasta Sauce" I posted some months ago.

Chateau Ste. Michelle is a beautiful winery.
Thay have a pond - with fish!

Their Gewurztraminer is pretty darn good.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 24, 2006 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Morning everyone.

Tomorrow night is candle party night and I have yet to decide on this years creation. when I figure it out I'll get you the recipe, Yoki.(If it turns out to be good).

Last years dessert spinach salad turned out well enough but had to be served too cold to be reasonable. This year I'm cutting back on the pies to only two and I refuse to make crusts again until I get a real rolling pin.

The roads here were still awful this morning. Though there was a slight improvement oveer last nights.

Posted by: Kerric | November 24, 2006 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Good morning Boodle and a Happy Black Friday.

Sky report from Manhattan:

Clear blue and crisp. The shadows are stretching through the high rise canyons and highlighting the tops of Rockefeller Center and the Citibank building.

The yello family is in NYC for our semi-annual Broadway Show Binge. On tap this weekend is Jersey Boys, A Chorus Line, and High Fidelity. Turkey Day dinner last night was turkey, short ribs and venison at some restaurant you have to decend into from the rainswept sidewalk of 57th Street.

I am boodling from the Apple Store on 5th Avenue. Apple provides a useful public service in the form of free internet access points cleverly disquised as retail outlets. The Apple Store in Ginza is the cheapest internet cafe in Tokyo.

Gotta go. My son and I have been wandering midtown for two hours and it's time to go wake up my wife. I first have to find a Duane Reade and get her some hair brushes since she forgot to pack those.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 24, 2006 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I trust everyone had a great day yesterday. The torrential rains and howling winds are gone and the sun is shining through some hazy clouds. A very welcome sight. There are three stubborn leaves remaining on my kousa dogwood tree.

Among my guests yesterday was a Thanksgiving Orphan. He's here illegally and for the second time. What he went through to get back to this country is amazing and included walking through jungles and paying a lot of money to someone to get across the border. He is the type of person who would be a good "legal" resident but from what I've been reading, I doubt that he will ever get that chance. I wish we could find a way to deal with this whole immigration issue. I feel very sad for this man.

It was wonderful to have everyone here yesterday. When the 7 year old came in the door, her first word was "wow," as she hadn't seen the new kitchen before. The granddaughters rediscovered my piano and pounded away while Sinatra, Bennett and Krall played in the background. A spirited ping pong match took place in the cellar. Daughter #2 wore her feather headdress and drank her coffee from a creamer instead of a china cup. The fellows were all intrigued by the sugar cubes and tongs. And one of my potholders fell into the gravy. A pretty typical gathering for us.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | November 24, 2006 9:04 AM | Report abuse

For some reason, I woke up at 5 and, not feeling like lounging around the house, checked out the mob scene at a Major Electronics Store. It was more than a bit like Disney World. Line to enter store. Long line for computer department. The TV and monitor I was interested in happened to be, actually, non-line items. So then there was the checkout line. Afterwards, stopped by the Really Big Hardware Store for potting soil and peat moss. A dozen amaryllises get potted this weekend.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | November 24, 2006 9:06 AM | Report abuse

The BigBoxOfGadgets on 5th and 44th was mobbed at 6:30, but you needed to be there at 5 to get the really cheap cameras. I did get a four pack of miniDV tapes and 100 pack of blank DVD-R's for $4.99 each. Gotta go.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 24, 2006 9:15 AM | Report abuse

The BigBoxOfGadgets on 5th and 44th was mobbed at 6:30, but you needed to be there at 5 to get the really cheap cameras. I did get a four pack of miniDV tapes and 100 pack of blank DVD-R's for $4.99 each. Gotta go.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 24, 2006 9:16 AM | Report abuse

The BigBoxOfGadgets on 5th and 44th was mobbed at 6:30, but you needed to be there at 5 to get the really cheap cameras. I did get a four pack of miniDV tapes and 100 pack of blank DVD-R's for $4.99 each. Gotta go.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 24, 2006 9:16 AM | Report abuse

The BigBoxOfGadgets on 5th and 44th was mobbed at 6:30, but you needed to be there at 5 to get the really cheap cameras. I did get a four pack of miniDV tapes and 100 pack of blank DVD-R's for $4.99 each. Gotta go.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 24, 2006 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Having troubles yello?

Posted by: Kerric | November 24, 2006 9:21 AM | Report abuse

He did say it was an Apple store.

This is for those of you who are suffering football hangover.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 24, 2006 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Mudge writes:
You don't think we take seriously all that crap about Plymouth Rock, Priscilla Alden and Miles Standish, do you? C'mon, it's a fairy tale.

The acting is wonderful. Mr. Moore's avid Irwin and Mr. Griffiths's shambling Hector are matched by the extraordinary Frances de la Tour as Dorothy Lintott, the droopy, horse-faced history teacher with a baritone voice who is the wisest and most balanced member of an academic triumvirate. Dorothy belatedly has her say when she observes with an amused exasperation: "History is a commentary on the various and continuing incapabilities of men. History is women following behind with the bucket."

Posted by: Loomis | November 24, 2006 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Now that we are officially into the Christmas season, I thought I would post this Christmas pudding recipe given to me by my British grandmother. It is a slight variation of one passed down to her for many generations.
Suet is beef fat and can be obtained from a butcher. (This is not a recipe for wimps)
The type of candied fruit is flexible.

The humming of "God Save The Queen" when presenting this dish is optional, though highly recommended.

English Christmas Pudding

Makes 1 Quart

1 cup suet
2 cups brown sugar
½ cup milk
2 eggs
1 cup flour
½ teaspoon each cinnamon, nutmeg and mace
1 cup raisins
11/2 cup currants
1 cup candied mixed peel
½ cup citron
1 cup breadcrumbs
1 teaspoon baking soda
½ cup of almonds (if desired)
¼ cup vinegar


Grind up the suet and mix into the dry ingredients.
Mix together wet ingredients (except vinegar.)
Mix everything together, with the ¼ cup of vinegar added last.
(Add a few silver coins if desired)
Pour into metal mold or can.
Steam for three hours.
Unmold and pour generous amount of brandy over the pudding.
Ignite the brandy and present.
Serve with whipped cream.

(Yoki - I have also sent you this)

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 24, 2006 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Yoki... make sure you include your cabbage recipe.

It was delicious and a huge hit yesterday at my sister's house. She was thrilled that I had brought it because she was worried that there were too many sweet dishes on the menu.

When we brought home the leftover cabbage--still in the dish I had taken it in--my husband decided it was just better to eat it all up rather than put it into a smaller dish for the fridge.

So, thanks again!

Posted by: TBG | November 24, 2006 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to go along with Mudge. He raises a fine point. Our Thanksgiving is pretty wishy-washy, and its high time we did something about it. Lets start an internet campaign to move it to a Thursday. Then instead of having the big meal on the last day, right before you go back to work, we will live in the luxury of recovery.

Loomis, Your Thanskgiving meal sounded so very nice. Going with the traditions of where you live sounded so nice so rich. You said that you had antler napkin rings. May I ask where you got those?

Posted by: dr | November 24, 2006 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, I will fix the oatmeal bread recipe and get you a proper copy. The one thing I cook well is bread and buns. All kinds of bread. Making bread a very soul affirming activity for me. Its a very earthy activity.

You play with liquids, flour, and yeast and you make goo, and then you put it somewhere warm and watch it grow. And then you kill it and eat it.

Slathered in butter, when still warm from the oven. There is no meal, no food, nothing so fine as warm bread fresh from the oven.

Posted by: dr | November 24, 2006 10:02 AM | Report abuse

>How much is enough?

I want a pond with fish. And a winery.

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 24, 2006 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Error, did you ever win your war against the groundhogs/raccoons, sorry can't remember which.

Posted by: dmd | November 24, 2006 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I want to thank my Canadian friends for introducing the October Crisis to this ignorant American.

So far, I've only read the Wikipedia entry on it, but it's fascinating and I'm surprised we don't know more about it and I'll make sure I do.

Where is a good source for information?

Posted by: TBG | November 24, 2006 10:18 AM | Report abuse

TBG, here is a selection from the CBC archives referencing the October crisis. There is currently a show running up here about the October crisis.

and this reference from;jsessionid=99F653EBFD1BFDDDF6E11FBA38431D1F.tomcat1?pageID=342

Posted by: dmd | November 24, 2006 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I recall that there was a lot of debate as to when to schedule Thanksgiving, back when the decision was made to convert from an annual "impromptu" day, declared by Presidential proclamation, to a date certain upon which one could rely. (Rather, I recall reading about it. I am a relative whippersnapper, you understand, less than one third of the way through my intended lifespan of 150).

Anywho, it's no accident that they picked the fourth Thursday in November. It serves the symbolic purpose of making it stick out separately from ordinary days (sort of like Passover -- why on this day, of all days, do we eat sweet potatoes with marshmallows, when on other days we are not permitted even a single marshmallow because it would Ruin Our Appetite?), and uh, (where was I?), it provides what would otherwise be a regular work day on which to kick off the Christmas shopping season. Thus, people with money choose to take the day off, while folks who work retail have to put up with those shoppers through one of the biggest shopping days of the year.

Merry Christmas to all who like That Sort of Thing; and make your reservations at a really good Chinese restaurant, for the rest of you/us!

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 24, 2006 10:26 AM | Report abuse

A new book is also coming out from an insider during the event.

Posted by: dmd | November 24, 2006 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, I'll have to locate my macaroni and cheese recipe as I streamed-my-consciousness to transcribe it to the Boodle. I believe I posted as plain ol' Tim on that occasion. I also have some apple pie, ideas, fruity bread, and I came up with a pear shortcake the other day that was pretty darned good.

I'm thinking "Imaginary Foods." Clearly, it needs some sort of framing essay from Joel. Since this valuable production would make, lemme think now, ZERO dollars (estimated, in constant FY2000 dollars), we would have to recompense him in the usual way -- with fawning admiration.

Posted by: CulinaryTim | November 24, 2006 10:31 AM | Report abuse

RD, is it OK if I hum the Sex Pistols' version "God Save the Queen"?

I think I'll sing the "No Future!" parts rather than hum them as I light the brandy. After all, we *are* eating suet, aren't we?

Seriously, though, it can't be any more harmful than my Fried Chicken gravy, and it all sounds *really* good to me. Eating like there's no tomorrow is indeed not for the meek.

Mmmm. I'm looking forward to the hot turkey, stuffing and gravy sandwich I'm going to have for lunch.


Posted by: bc | November 24, 2006 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, I am truly intimidated to post any recipes, as I am not the most imaginitive cook, I will confer with the chef in the house for his recipes, and if I can track down mom's pastry and butter tart recipes.

I will send them to you and you can decide if they fit.

Posted by: dmd | November 24, 2006 10:37 AM | Report abuse

>Error, did you ever win your war against the groundhogs/raccoons, sorry can't remember which.

Well, yes and no. Mostly no. What I have found is this: the insurgents are almost like wild animals, and they do NOT give up. There are twice as many of them as you think there are. With constant physical presence you can push them to the periphery and deny them both the Garage HQ and the Pine Tree HQ, but when you withdraw (say, to go to work) they come right back. Stop harrassing them and they'll be right up under your truck again, intent on sabotage. I mean really, what is there in a driveline for a groundhog to eat? It must be sabotoogee.

The groundhogs have pilfered a laptop (just because I left it in the garage for a few minutes doesn't mean it was a GIFT) and are apparently using my neighbor's WiFi connection to put up their own website...

I'm hoping for a spring release for the movie documenting my travails, but it's difficult because they keep interfering with the power and intimidate the FedEx guy.

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 24, 2006 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Hmph, I thought I'd posted my famous stuffed mussel recipe in the Boodle but, I can't locate it.

What's more distrubing to me is having to actually write the recipe out. Typically when it's time for me to make the stuffed mussels, I go into full Zen Overdrive, tastefully immersing myself in the briny experience. Cooking by smell and taste and feel rather than a rigid recipe is far more enjoyable to me.

This probably also explains my fondness for 'fridge cleaning chili.


Posted by: bc | November 24, 2006 10:48 AM | Report abuse

TBG, I will post one more link I found it was the speech given by our Prime Minister, to announce, explain/defend the imposition of the War Measures Act. What I note, is how much of it applies to today, defending democracy, freedom etc. against terrorists.

Posted by: dmd | November 24, 2006 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Error, how are you at raising special forces to deal with the insurgents? More dogpower would seem to be indicated; 24-hour patrols and frequent olfactory checks can't be beat.

Posted by: WIlbrod | November 24, 2006 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Culinary Tim: //I'm thinking "Imaginary Foods."//

Concept-wise, I like it. I'm assuming you're thinking of Imaginary Numbers (although you could be thinking of imaginary friends).

If the former, the secondary title might be: *Take the square root of a negative ferret.*

Spent time last week scripting a new holiday schedule so I wouldn't have to get up at 4 am for exceptional processing. Script ran fine, but I got beeped @ 4:15 anyway on another matter. I love technology.

Posted by: dbG | November 24, 2006 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Error, I have contacts with the top-secret mercenary lab contingent. He'll make those groundhogs an offer they can't refuse.

Posted by: dbG | November 24, 2006 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Howdy all, and welcome new folks. I'm still catching up on the Boodle but dropping in to say belated Happy Thanksgiving. I had a little tussle with an upper respiratory infection which kept me away from a computer (too sick to Boodle!) and used up some well-earned sick leave. I was upright in time for pie-baking and Turducken eating. I capitalize the Bird because my esteemed cousin actually made the thing from scratch, de-boning and all. It was excessively tasty. I made pumpkin, apple and bourbon pecan pies, and dark gingerbread.

Sky report: blue, no wind, temperate, birds are singing. A lovely day. I saw a bobcat the other night.

Please return to your regularly scheduled program.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 24, 2006 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I've considered dog-power, problem is the fence would cost like $30k. I appreciate the offer dbG, but be careful, they're sneaky. And fast. Boy are they fast.

I must say, I've gained a great deal of appreciation for the hunters in our midst. Just try to sneak up on a critter, or have the patience to wait outsidea burrow quietly for hours. Not easy.

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 24, 2006 11:23 AM | Report abuse

And dr, I don't know about turnips, but this year I braised a lot of radishes with shallots, thyme and butter. Much to everyone's surprise they were really good.

I'm glad of the chance to congratulate dbG on not taking that promotion, by the way; it is a rare and, I'm sure, hard-earned gift to know oneself that well.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 24, 2006 11:36 AM | Report abuse

We took a fall vacation back in the mid-90s to New Mexico, when many of the aspen were turning color. If memory serves me (regarding these napkin rings), after our train ride on the Cumbres & Toltec, when we disembarked (looking like black-faced minstrels because we decided to ride in the car almost directly behind the engine and were downwind, the same route the large, gritty airborne cinders took), we stepped, after scrubbing our faces, into a charming shop in Chama (where the railroad starts from its southern terminus), very near New Mexico's border with Colorado. Whew!

We bought a Navajo black kachina, the napkin rings, and a vase of sorts made of conjoined limbs of an alder. We made as absolutely certain as possible that these rings were made from shed and collected antlers, rather than some poor deer sacrificed for his antlers.

After we had gotten back to Texas, we decided to have the shop ship us the Navajo dancing eagle Kachina, which was a packaging nightmare for the shop owners because of all the descending feathers. And, as we all know, the true kachinas originate with the Hopis.

Long answer. I can't remember the name of the shop. Sorry. As for the Thanksgiving table, it wasn't a stretch to create it. The only thing we had to buy was the dried Indian corn.

The pie was O.K., don't know that I'd reprint the recipe anywhere. It was plenty juicy or syrupy, but hubby loved it. We also had something new--(hubby doesn't like wines, particularly dry). One ounce of pomegranate syrup from Sonoma, Calif, in a glass, with ice cubes, then topped with Sprite, then stirred. Mmm-mmm-mmm. That butter, honey and bourbon glaze was outstanding--making for an incredible gravy.

The weather will hold here for about a week with temps between 75 and 80. (Na-nanny-nah-nah! Did anyone see the news about the huge dump of snow in Washington state's Snowqualmie Pass this morning?) Because of the glorious weather, we shall probably drive tomorrow for an outdoor Christas festival with 150 vendors in a little Texas village for "Christmas in Comfort." Comfort, Texas, that is.

Posted by: Loomis | November 24, 2006 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Today we welcomed a nice lady into our workgroup. She requested a transfer to here from her home of Virginia. Her first words entering the room were "Why is it so darn cold? It's only November." And thus we welcome another to the joys of Edmonton wintertime. I fear it will take until spring for her to become accustomed.

Posted by: Kerric | November 24, 2006 11:47 AM | Report abuse

In fairness to her Kerric, I just checked your weather, it is cold. Wasn't sure if that was normal or not, it isn't.

Posted by: dmd | November 24, 2006 11:58 AM | Report abuse

True, but as we explained to her, at least it isn't -30 yet.

Posted by: Kerric | November 24, 2006 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh, do I feel for her, Kerric. From warm Virginia, she is going to have a very rude awakening.

Loomis, you gave me the key info, that they were natural. Mrdr has piles of shed antlers in the garage, seriously piles, and maybe I can talk him into fashioning some.

Posted by: dr | November 24, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse

We all found it extremely funny that on her first day she has instantly found a canadian joy - complaining about the weather.

Posted by: Kerric | November 24, 2006 12:08 PM | Report abuse

She must have read the pamphlet we hand out to people crossing the border!

Posted by: dmd | November 24, 2006 12:16 PM | Report abuse

dr - do you think that he'll take the time out of his busy curl/hike/golf/relax schedule to ruin some of his perfectly good sheds?

dmd - there's a pamphlet? I thought it was suspicious... :)

Posted by: Kerric | November 24, 2006 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Kerric, if she was complaining at the height of what Canadians call "summer" (and which Virginians call "warmed over winter"), that would be truly, truly priceless.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 24, 2006 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon, friends. I am so late getting here, but have been up for hours. I have all three grandkids, and it is just toooooooooo much, but I'm loving it. We've finally got the breakfast out the way, and it is time for lunch. They want to go fishing, and I'm not even dressed. It will be dark by the time we get everything in motion. I'm tired thinking about it.

I really enjoyed Thanksgiving yesterday. It was a little sad because my mom and my son were not there, but I tried real hard to enjoy the folks there, and not to look back. I hope everyone here and your families enjoyed the day.

Pat, I did not walk this morning, but I can tell you that the day is absolutely beautiful. Not a cloud in the sky, just that beautiful Carolina blue. And it is not cold, somewhere in the upper sixties.

Peace and joy to all, knowing in our heart of hearts that God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Ivansmom, sorry to hear you were sick, I hope you are feeling much better.

Posted by: Cassandra S | November 24, 2006 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of warmed-over winter, I actually did 15 minutes' worth of sunbathing this morning (exposed legs and forearms), since I could do it without freezing to death, and I can always use the vitamin D.

It's 60 F outside right now, very little wind, and cloudless, clear sky. Global warming DOES have its perks.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 24, 2006 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the quad-post. The page wouldn't refresh. We're back at the Apple Store and there are about 20 times as many people as there were four hours ago. We had sorbet at the Trump Ice Cream Parlor. The cosmpolitan flavor is very classy. Lots of gold everywhere.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 24, 2006 12:51 PM | Report abuse

*Snow*qualmie Pass indeed!
Note the use of "wettest" several times.

Glad I don't have to drive across the pass. But they are talking about "mixed snow and rain" in Seattle, probably when my kid is prowling the streets, or heading for the airport.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 24, 2006 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, its is priceless, because in Canada, weatherwise, we have two Seasons...eight months of winter and four months of poor snowmobile weather.

The original joke is 6 months of each, but this is the prairies.

Posted by: dr | November 24, 2006 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod we have similar weather here, somewhat cooler around high forties. It has been this way for three days.

Posted by: dmd | November 24, 2006 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Well, #1 and I just got back from the electronics store where we waited for over an hour, outside, in -26C (well, -16, but with wind chill Environment Canada says it was -26, and in Calgary, there is always wind) and got #54 of the 59 available Nintendo Wii systems. I know parents do things like that for their kids, but I was pretty darn impressed that #1 did it for a sibling. And we managed to get most of the other electrical-type birthday and Christmas presents for everybody, so that is one session in the h311 that is modern retailing finished up. And I think I've it set so that I won't have to go into a big mall at all until after Christmas. Yay me.

We should decide on parameters for the cookbook. So far I've been working on the assumption that it was recipes that have popped up on the boodle in the course of normal conversations I don't know if that was correct, or if it will be whatever recipes Boodlers want to submit? We probably don't have enough historical posts to make a whole book, but on the other hand, transcribing them (I'm using publishing software rather than wordprocessing, so that I can generate various indexes, move the recipes around, and get it professionally bound if we want) and photography and page layout stuff takes a fair amount of time. I'm happy either way, the only variable will be how long it takes to complete.

Posted by: Yoki | November 24, 2006 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Big Trouble at the Miami Herald, downright scary in fact:

I hope no one gets hurt...


Posted by: bc | November 24, 2006 1:51 PM | Report abuse

The Miami Herald (actually El Nuevo Herald) story is alarming.

Here, surfboard shaper Chris Birch is showing his beautiful boards at a tent on a surf shop's lawn. Weather's a bit overcast, but a very pleasant 73 degrees. And, this being an upscale Florida resort town, we expect expensive aircraft to be in abundance over the next few days.

I recall pre-Christmas shopping expeditions from Worland, Wyoming to Billings, Montana. 3.5 hours each way. I suspect that Billings merchants prayed earnestly for good weekend weather.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | November 24, 2006 2:18 PM | Report abuse

yoki, i think that the boodlers should look up their own posts and email them to you, to save you time since you're offering to do all the other work.

pat, if you can do something with your code to look up recipe/food related items and send yoki the results, that would probably also save some time.

maybe we could have a recipe themed kit in the near future and post more recipes (the others we'd like to add). or we could just email more recipes to yoki. but let's allow additional submissions because i'd sure like to see what the cooks among us would add.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | November 24, 2006 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Error, thanks for the warning. I have one commando who is a groundhog killing machine (sadly, because I feel they have a right to be here too). We've had several discussions about it, and now I'm able to call him off if I see it before he reaches it. He ignores cats.

Ivansmom, here's to feeling better, and thank you. . . I have sauteed rounds of the long, white radishes (daikon?) in a little butter, brown sugar and a dash of soy sauce. Unbelievable.

In the spirit of Thanksgiving, please be kind to yourselves until next year, at least!

Posted by: dbG | November 24, 2006 2:42 PM | Report abuse

El Nuevo Herald's upset cartoonist has left the building. No one hurt.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | November 24, 2006 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Thats good to hear Dave of the Coonties

Posted by: Kerric | November 24, 2006 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I relate to dave of the coonties. When we lived in Revelstoke BC, it was a minimum 2 hour drive to either of the nearest large towns (Kamploops or Kelowna) which had actual stores; and that was only when avalanches or mudslides hadn't closed the road, or when there had not been an accident on the winding steep 2-lane highway. It is gorgeous mountain country, if you drive through on vacation on a nice summer day. The rest of the year, it was scary. I tried to do my Christmas shopping during the summer, but didn't always succeed.

Posted by: Yoki | November 24, 2006 2:58 PM | Report abuse

My only "challenging" trip from Wyoming to Billings was in May for a medical appointment. A big, wet snowstorm made it prudent to go the whole distance in four wheel drive. Weather was fine the next day. So at least the truck justified itself that once.

I need to visit BC. My first visit was to the spendid UBC campus in Vancouver in July 1980. I got to hear the first scientific accounts of what Mt St Helens did to the nearby vegetation. The main argument at the time was whether or not to coat the mountain with grass seed.

My last near approach to BC was Seattle in November 2001, which blessedly was less drenched than the current November. I saw a picture of a salmon swimming across a road. Dodging traffic, I guess.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | November 24, 2006 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Dave, if you want to go to BC, don't think of Vancouver; that is not the real BC. The weather is moderate, the highways all six-lane. The *real* BC is mountainous with treacherous roads and rivers and little lumber towns where everyone knows everyone and they vote extreme-conservative. It is absolutely beautiful, but like a world apart from the Vancouver area (which is known as The Lower Mainland).

Posted by: Yoki | November 24, 2006 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Having lived in rural Wyoming as well as Portland (not to mention a resort town), I've got the cultural and economic divides pretty well figured out.

I'm too old to think about riverboarding. A business story on board sports at another newspaper made me think of this enterprising Portland, Oregon outfit:

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | November 24, 2006 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article on about Joel's future... INTERNET DAILY
Wash. Post new media focused outside D.C.
By Frank Barnako
Last Update: 3:28 PM ET Nov 24, 2006

Rob Curley calls himself a geek from Kansas who is heading up a "dream team of nerds" at the Washington Post. In an interview, the 35-year-old Midwesterner made it clear that he's on a honeymoon.

"Working at the Post is the most amazing thing," said the reporter who was covering City Hall 10 years ago for the Topeka Capitol-Journal, and is now vice president of product development for Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive.

Curley said that even the "ink-stained" print reporters at the Post (WPO) really care about using the Internet, "to make sure that what they do still is viable. You can't believe how many people have paid lip service to me about this (multimedia) stuff over time, but I really do feel a commitment here."

It's like a journalist faced with learning Quark Express a long time ago, he explained: "They know they need to do this, and they need someone who understands this medium."

Curley's own understanding grows out of developing an interactive legislative section at the Topeka Capitol-Journal, a sports site for the Lawrence Journal-World News and a twice-daily video news report at the Naples News in Florida. It was after hearing a presentation from Curley, in Florida, that Post executives offered him his new job. "We're kind of a skunk works here," he said of himself and his team of four people with whom he's worked previously. "There are so many things to do to just keep the trains running and keep the sites operating, that they needed someone to work in the background and develop new ideas."

Fewer people in Curley's age group are reading newspapers these days. "I think it's going to be two or three years before the rest of the world catches up to the 22-year-olds who are going to YouTube when they hear something happened on the 'Daily Show.'"

By then, if newspapers do not become more interactive and visual, it will be television stations in the catbird seat. "Just shoveling news coverage into our video is not the right thing either," Curley believes. "When you're a newspaper, you have different sensibilities. What we're trying to show is the depth and breadth of newspaper journalism in a video world."

Curley said that a "hyperlocal" project, not focused on the District of Columbia, will make his first mark at WPNI. He added that the feature "will be useful" and offer database-driven elements, text-message features, audio and video.

He offered few other details, because "we've got newspaper competitors here, which I didn't have in the other markets."

Curley's crew also will make an impact in the business section. "That world works so well in the world I know of three-dimensional journalism, databases of public information, information we have gathered like real-estate sales. Then we'll layer that with full text documents, video and podcasts," he said.

Posted by: TBG | November 24, 2006 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Dave and Yoki, at the end of what most people would call the Lower Mainland is a town called Hope. So after that you're beyond Hope, goes the joke. My hometown was well beyond Hope.

Trivia: the Hope area was where they shot the setting for the movie First Blood.

Posted by: SonofCarl | November 24, 2006 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I know Hope! We've always used a similar joke: I've just left hope behind, etc.

Posted by: Yoki | November 24, 2006 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Did the boodle die, or is it just quietly lurking quietly.

It is my anniversary today. 27 years. There have been years where the world was tough, and nothing seemed to go our way. There were the teenage years where we listened to band practise full volume for what seemed like years and where the house was overrun with boys and friends and gamers and food - we were sure we had 16 kids sometimes, all males. There were times of immense joy where we had all the power in the universe and nothing was going to keep us down. I would not trade a single minute of it because he was always at my side.

Now if I could only program him to do the dishes.

Posted by: dr | November 24, 2006 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Try clicker-training, dr. "Don't Shoot the Dog!" and "How Shamu saved my marriage" may give you some ideas ;).

And it's not programming... it's give and take... like everything else...


Posted by: Wilbrod | November 24, 2006 7:15 PM | Report abuse

dr, have wonderful evening. If I recall he makes up for not doing dishes.

Posted by: dmd | November 24, 2006 7:34 PM | Report abuse

dr, please accept my best wishes for a happy anniversary. We are in the middle of the teen years, and hope that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't an oncoming train.

Posted by: bigcranky | November 24, 2006 7:52 PM | Report abuse

dmd, I may have to restate that. He almost makes up for not helping with dishes, but only when there is vermin in the house. Ah heck, I'm just cranky and need to go home and relax. Yes I am still at my desk waiting for traffic to clear the roads.

Wilbrod, I think you've got it. Clickr training. I like that.

Bigcranky, its most likely not, though you may think so. Its one of those ghost trains if it is and you may feel shell shocked, but you will survive.

Thanks guys. I must go home where we are going to attempt to recreate a long ago gift, called "Instant Romance" or at least the box called it that. Cheap bubbly wine, two old style champagne glasses, really cheezy tin candle holders, and two cheap tapers. Set it all up and drink by firelight.

Posted by: dr | November 24, 2006 8:07 PM | Report abuse

if you want to see the human experience side of the 1970 October crisis the movie "Les Ordres"/The Orders is the place to start. The director of the movie is Michel Breault, an undistiguished director but an acclaimed cameraman and art director. He was THE cameramen of the Nouvelle Vague in the late 50's early 60's in the hexagon shaped country. By declaring the War Measure Act the great democrat Trudeau launched a process in which poets, actors, aithors, union leaders, social activist got jailed for undeterminate lengths of time for undisclosed reasons. (sounds familiar ?) The movie follows a certain number of those persons who were jailed for up to 4 months without reason, due process and representation. One of the most poignant moment of the movie happens when when the father of a jailed union leader dies and one scew simply walks by and says, hey you dog, your father died. He later sings a very touching song about his father while riding the police car to his father's funeral. The actor/singer who plays the union leader is Jean Lapointe who happens to be a Senator now. Mostly, Jean Drapeau who was Montreal's mayor at the time and Jerôme Choquette who was Québec's Justice minister designated the persons to be arrested. Most were simply political opponents and social activists. The poet Gérald Godin and his girlfriend the singer Pauline Julien spent 3 months in jail but he got his revenge when he defeated the sitting Prime Minister Robert Bourassa in his riding at the election of 1976.
The section supposedly in charge of the Quebec separatists terrorist cells were clueless. In particular no Quebecers were allowed in the section, so the investigators of the terrorist cells were mostly unilingual English speakers incapable of listening directlty to any tapped phone. Everything had to be translated to them. (How many arabic speaker at the CIA before Sep 2001 by the way?) The McDonald inquiry revealed that the RCMP was relying a lot on analysis from the FBI and CIA, who happened to be even more clueless than the RCMP. The CIA in particular was sure the whole thing was inspired, funded and directed by a certain country we shall not name in the boodle. They became convinced that a particular attaché from the country on the east side of the Channel was the link to the FLQ. The guy was a frequent traveller and a world class skirt chaser. They had to tap tens of hotel rooms over a couple of years and travel around with French and Portuguese translators as he guy was doing sweet talking in Portuguese to his everchanging lady of the night.
By opposition, the RCMP guy who found James Cross was just a regular plodder doing (very well) the routine police work that usually brings results. He was doing the old door to door with a couple of Montreal's finest when he smelled a rat and found out Cross'location. The a-holes who killed Laporte were ratted upon, the RCMP had nothing to do with their capture. Stangely enough Laporte was killed in a house in St-Hubert that was on land sold by the father of another girlfriend of mine. Shortly after the story broke out the street was renamed and the house demolished.
I was only 11 at the time of the October crisis but I remember this funny scene on the entrance of the old Québec bridge (the new one destined to be named Pierre Laporte wasn't finished yet). The cops had stopped a couple of long haired hippie type in an antique truck at a control point before the bridge. The guys were probably doing dry wall work that day because a great cloud of dust erupted when the cops started the patting down thing. Great hilarity ensued on the part of the hippies. They may still be inside...

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 24, 2006 8:20 PM | Report abuse

SD.. wow.. thanks for that great rundown of the October Crisis. I will look for that movie.

I'm just amazed at the parallels today and if I were a moviemaker or writer I think I would direct my attention north--and to the past.

Posted by: TBG | November 24, 2006 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Great summation Shrieking, and you filled in some of the blanks I wasn't sure if I was remembering correctly, particularly regarding the FBI/CIA.

Have you seen the new CBC series? Also ealier in the boodle I reference a new book that is coming out, by a McGill professor and former member of the Bourassa cabinet - it might interest you.

I also posted Trudeau's speach when he invoked the war measures, in many ways would not seem out of place today.

Posted by: dmd | November 24, 2006 8:30 PM | Report abuse

dr, 27 years is amazing. All my best.

Posted by: dbG | November 24, 2006 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Philippe Noiret, a truly great actor died yesterday.

One of my favourite of his 120 movies is "Alexandre le bienheureux", in which he dispatches the wife and the in-laws that are working him to the bone on the in-laws' farm. He then starts to take it easy and mellows out pretty well. He brings the concept of service dog to a different level. The small mutt (named "le chien") does everything around the house and then some.

"Alexandre le bienheureux

Looks like the ex-KGB guy in London was poisoned with Po-210, an isotope of polonium that emits mostly Beta radiations (electrons). Them Russians murderers are getting pretty fancy, what't wrong with the old ice pick? That was good enough for that old fart Trotsky, wasn't it?

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 24, 2006 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Hum... Mr. Tetley seems to be of the opinion that arresting 500 of his fellow citizens for a few days and keeping 60 inside for a few months (without charging them with anything) is a perfectly reasonable way to deal with the unrelated kidnapping of two men and murder of one of them. I don't think I will buy his book.

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 24, 2006 9:37 PM | Report abuse

dr and husband of dr, my most heartfelt congratulations! Good for you both.

I was looking over your excellent post. It was very well written summed up a long time of couple-ness.

Or, as Himself and I say, "Sometimes it seems like no time at all, and sometimes if feels like forever."

Posted by: Yoki | November 24, 2006 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations on your anniversary! This year was our 30th - we had a nice dinner at a good restaurant on the Sound. It was even sunny (ah, memories of the sun). Hope you have a wonderful night.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 24, 2006 9:48 PM | Report abuse

TBG, stuff in English on the October crisis is hard to come by. It has been a while.
This is pretty darn good.
Apart for Laporte's and the security guard death what is rather sad is the cop's imcompetence during the period and their overreaction after the fact. The RCMP ran their own FLQ for a few years after 1970. Stealing explosives, burning barns, etc. Sheesh.
I'll post the cat's turd recipe soon. I'm a boodle hog.

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 24, 2006 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I did note that Shrieking, but I will say I am curious at how it could be justified, if nothing else than in his own mind, if nothing else to learn the errors of the thinking. If that makes any sense to you.

When I read your post it was very reminiscent of one of the sources I mentioned earlier using for the work I did in university.

I worry that there are some in jail today in our country for suspicious activity and lacking in true due process. As someone who is generally very strident on civil liberties, the point at which those liberties can be denied interests me, in many different situations.

Also took a Russian history course and your mention of the Russian spies demise brings to mind some of the discussion we had around the Stalin era, even then they had moved passed the ice pick.

Posted by: dmd | November 24, 2006 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I start a diet the 1st monday after Thanksgiving(sort of get a 1 month jump on everyone else)after reading all the delicious recipes the past few days,I am having my doubts.

Anyone have a good low fat recipe?

Oh by the way Wild turkeys do fly and run pretty fast too.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 24, 2006 10:18 PM | Report abuse

The original name has been lost. Mrs. Denizen (wrong name since we are not married even though we have been proudly living in sin for over 22 years) all of November and December. She feeds half a recipe to the Pack and freezes the other one for the Holiday seasons. We usually have a choice of 8 to 12 types of cookies to choose from.
The turds have been a favourite for 15 years.

Cat turds (in their litter)
1 cup of nuts (pecan or walnut)
½ cup of pitted dates
¾ cup of finely shredded coconut
1 teaspoon of Grand Marnier, rum or other suitable beverage
½ cup of brown sugar
1 large beaten egg
½ cup of finely shredded coconut (that is 1 ¼ total for you non-pointy head type)

Process nuts and dates in a food processor or any other violent kitchen implement intended on inflicting maximum damage.
Mix in the ¾ cup of coconut, the booze, the brown sugar and the beaten egg by hand or with the processor, your choice.
Roll cylindrical shape of the mixture, say about 2cm (¾") by 4-5 cm long (1 ½ to 2") in size.
Roll the soft sticky things in the remaining coconut.
Put on a greased cookie sheet.
Cook for approx. 15 min. at 350°F or until slightly golden

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | November 24, 2006 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I have one more thing to say on the October crisis, the period leading up to October 1970 is significant, in the mindset of the time the October Crisis marked a serious escalation of ongoing problems.

Many, many mistakes were made none excuse the actions of the FLQ, they ultimately are responsible to starting a chain of events that are still hotly debated to this day.

The link you posted Shrieking almost seemed to question why there was no giving in to the terrorist demands. The airing of the FLQ manifesto on Radio Canada is also contentious.

On a happier note Shrieking the cat turds sound great.

Posted by: dmd | November 24, 2006 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Just to be sure, the turds are the name of the dish, not an ingredient thereof, Shrieking?

Alexandre le bienheureux, interesting. It might have inspired Wallace and Gromit. I love those shorts where Gromit does everything for his doofus owner and then some. ;).

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 24, 2006 11:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm trying to organize an index for a cookbook which includes recipes for "Curmudgeon's Ferret Haunches Au Poivre" and "Shrieking's Cat Turds Gratin."

I live every day with three large dogs and one small cat. I would not put cat turds on the table.

Posted by: Yoki | November 24, 2006 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, any news on the job-front?

Do we care?

Posted by: Yoki | November 24, 2006 11:48 PM | Report abuse

No news yet.

Oh, it makes a big difference if I find a fulltime job by the end of this year or not. If not, plan B goes in effect.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 25, 2006 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Plan B? Anything I can do to implement it?

Posted by: Yoki | November 25, 2006 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Hope things work out for you with the job, Wilbrod. It's tough to be in between circumstances.

I have no memory of the Canadian October crisis - thanks for the links. I wonder how many people in the US government have looked at that, to learn lessons. I would guess not many - I never heard a reference to it when the Patriot Act was passed here (in response to Sep 11).

Interesting article here about Chilean students:

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 25, 2006 12:35 AM | Report abuse

DR, congradulations! Sleeping in this morning? I slept until my alarm, unusual, but I feel good, which isn't easy for a diabetic around Thanksgiving.

Folks, I been playing with that program that queries the Achenblog. Fun! I've already amused myself for hours. It's still bare bones, which means it's good enough for me, but you sighted, mouse using people have higher standards. I also want to add a few features to make it a practical tool for Boodle mining. Any suggestions for a catchy name for this application?

I predict it will take a few more days to make it Boodler worthy, but if you want to use this thing, you can start by going into the archives and save each kit & boodle to a folder. Save the files with a .html extension. The first thing the program needs are these files.

By the way, the program runs under the Microsoft Windows platform. I have no other choice.

Posted by: Pat | November 25, 2006 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Pat, how about the 'Boo-didly-erdler' You know what Ned Flanders says? That is not going to read well on your program, is it. How about Moby Dig? Boodlebot?

I am up this morning, no sleeping in around here. Thank you all for your kind words and we had a lovely evening. We successfully re-created Instant Romance. Its pretty good but without the commercial box the original came in, it does lose a little something. We compensated for this by simply having more wine of choice, some nice Asti Spumante. We watched 'R V', the Robin Williams comedy from summer. Mrdr, was almost in tears during the poop scene. Well worth the price of admission.

The Ocotber crisis was a sad and sorry time in our recent history, but it happened for a reason that still stands today. If a people feel oppressed and unheard long enough, they will find a way to change it. And change it they did. The Quebec that stands today is very different. The FLQ went too far, bombs and murder as means to an end are wrong in every way, but the overall changes from those turbulent times have been positive for the whole country. The path from that event to Mr. Harper stating that Quebec was a nation within the nation of Canada is straight. It put us on a quest for a uniquely Canadian solution to constitution, and a reasonable solution to our historical and current inequity of representation.

In my personal history, though I grew up far from Quebec, and far from that conflict, I grew up just a stones throw down the road from Batoche. Batoche played a key part in our earlier history, The Northwest Rebellion, also known as the Riel Rebellion. Some of the same root causes were present then.

And the Northwest Rebellion led to the creation of the NWMP, who eventually became the RCMP.

And that is your Canadian history minute for Saturday.

Posted by: dr | November 25, 2006 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, I hope things go well for you in te job search. I remember the stresses I went through when I was looking.

Posted by: dmd | November 25, 2006 7:46 AM | Report abuse

fyi, I've posted my Sunday column.

Posted by: Achenbach | November 25, 2006 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Martooni, the other day you wrote about resonance and music that just seemed to go deep inside you.

The music that touches me is fiddle music, violin music, stringed instruments. As I came home last night, I was listening to 'The Celtic Show' on CKUA radio, where they were playing a tribute to John Allan Cameron. It was wonderful, soul stirring. There was music played that went in my head, and made every fibre of me alert and aware till it found my soul. It would have done so anyway, but because you had me thinking on it, listening for it, the experience was richer. For that moment in time, the world was that music, and I was a part of it.

Posted by: dr | November 25, 2006 8:08 AM | Report abuse

dr, that was a beautiful post, having in laws from the east coast I have developed an appreciation for celtic music, the passing of John Allen Cameron was noted, they were big admirers.

Posted by: dmd | November 25, 2006 8:25 AM | Report abuse

dr, I just read your music post out loud to my husband. It was a beautiful explanation of how music can touch us.

But even more, it's amazing to me that a fellow in Youngstown, Ohio, was able to affect you and that you were able to so beautifully express your appreciation for it.

oh.. and Happy Anniversary to you! I'm glad that the Instant Romance worked its magic--funny how 27 years can bring about the line, "almost in tears during the poop scene."

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