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How Much Is Enough?

[On the road again, in Denver. In my absence the formatting has gone to heck in a handbasket. This is why I should never leave town.]

We are being told that one reason Dr. Evil -- excuse me, Rupert Murdoch wants to buy Dow Jones is that WSJ.com could be the backbone of a "global financial news portal." An executive tells the NYTimes, "It would be the platform for the rest of the world." Clearly this is a man who dreams of world domination and perhaps a majority of the voting shares for every media organization in the solar system. Look at what Murdoch already owns: 20th Century Fox. 20th Century Fox Television (production). Fox Broadcasting Company. Fox News Channel. Fox Movie Channel. The New York Post. Twenty-seven newspapers in Britain and Australia. DirecTV. BSkyB. IGN Entertainment. MySpace. Harper-Collins. TV Guide. The Weekly Standard. And a whole bunch of other stuff.

How much is enough?

And the family that owns the majority voting stake in Dow Jones -- the Bancrofts (who ever heard of them??) -- has to ask the same question. Sixty bucks a share is a generous offer. But you're selling to the dark side. What do you bet everyone in that family already has more money than they know what to do with. A family member once told Times columnist Joe Nocera, "Without The Wall Street Journal, we're just another rich family."

Here's the Frank Ahrens piece in the Post:

'Despite its journalistic prestige, Dow Jones is tiny compared with News Corp. Murdoch's empire is valued at $70 billion, and the company reported more than $5 billion cash on hand at the end of 2006. Even with its stock surge yesterday, Dow Jones is valued at only $4.3 billion. Which means Murdoch could write a check for Dow Jones.'


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Great game last night between the Mavs and the Warriors. Nowitzki exploded in the last three minutes, raining threes, to save the Mavs' season. Emerging superstar Baron Davis of the Warriors got called for a questionable touch foul in the closing minutes. It was all very dramatic. But now today's New York Times has a story that has the potential to make controversial fouls in the NBA even more controversial: The article says there is a measurable racial bias in how fouls are called. The NBA denies it. You can read the story and decide who's more persuasive here.

The academic study sounds to me as though it has a lot of moving parts, to wit:

' With their database of almost 600,000 foul calls, Mr. Wolfers and Mr. Price used a common statistical technique called multivariable regression analysis, which can identify correlations between different variables. The economists accounted for a wide range of factors: that centers, who tend to draw more fouls, were disproportionately white; that veteran players and All-Stars tended to draw foul calls at different rates than rookies and non-stars; whether the players were at home or on the road, as officials can be influenced by crowd noise; particular coaches on the sidelines; the players' assertiveness on the court, as defined by their established rates of assists, steals, turnovers and other statistics; and more subtle factors like how some substitute players enter games specifically to commit fouls.'

But here's the bottom line, which goes far beyond this one study:

'"There's a growing consensus that a large proportion of racialized decisions is not driven by any conscious race discrimination, but that it is often just driven by unconscious, or subconscious, attitudes. When you force people to make snap decisions, they often can't keep themselves from subconsciously treating blacks different than whites, men different from women." '

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Big wins for Nat Geo and New York at the National Magazine Awards. But I clearly need to read more magazines. My subscription to the The Paris Review and to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists has lapsed:

'Other winners of the coveted general excellence awards were Rolling Stone (in the 1 million to 2 million circulation category), Wired (500,000 to 1 million) and the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (under 100,000). Beliefnet.com took the prize for general excellence online.

'Esquire, which had seven nominations in five categories, won the reporting award for "The School," by C. J. Chivers, a long, cinematic account of Chechen terrorists' bloody takeover of a school in Beslan, Russia.

'O, the Oprah Magazine, won the leisure interests award for an ode to the joys of reading. Glamour won the personal service award for Liz Welch's account of the health risks of breast implant surgery. GQ won the feature writing award for "The Other Side of Hate," Andrew Corsello's account of a white farmer and a black priest caught in Zimbabwe's downward spiral.

'The Paris Review won the photojournalism award for Jonas Bendiksen's photos of life in a Nairobi slum. City magazine won the photo portfolio award for its fashion photography. The Nation won the criticism award for movie reviews by Stuart Klawans. The Georgia Review took the prize for essays. McSweeney's won the award for fiction. And Departures won the single-topic issue award for an issue on South America.'

By Joel Achenbach  |  May 2, 2007; 9:23 AM ET
 
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I just read "Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists" for the interviews. Really.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

RD, if you have any of those classic BAS centerfolds with Edward Teller or Robert Oppenheimer, you're a lucky man.

Those are certifiable classics.

bc

Posted by: bc | May 2, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

The only way to overcome this knee-jerk reaction to gender and race is not only to be free of stereotypes, but to be free of an awareness of stereotypes.

This is a pretty tall order.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I don't know nuthin' about basketball, but I find the statistics regarding racial bias in foul calls entirely believable. It goes along with the recently discussed study about highway stops. Of course, some of this is racial animus. However, I agree that in some quick-decision situations people are ruled by unconscious biases. Freeing ourselves of an awareness of stereotypes is a great and daunting task. It is possible, on a personal level, and in this I think the culture has to change one person at a time.

I have some hope for the younger generation. The Boy, and other kids his age, often do not describe their classmates by color. He may talk about the kid with the glasses, or the really good soccer player, or the one with a lot of hair, without mentioning that person is black or Asian or whatever. He also doesn't seem to know about the ideas that persons of a certain color are likely to respond to particular situations in certain ways. We've tried to foster this, of course, but parental example alone wouldn't do it unless his own peer group reinforced the behavior.

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 2, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I understand that Esquire has excellent reporting, but I am still far too inhibited to be seen publically reading a magazine that has Halle Barre wearing provocative fripperies on the cover.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

My stereotype is a Philips Micro Hi-Fi System with 5 CD Changer

Posted by: omni | May 2, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, RD. The kit alludes to the converation started a couple days ago when you posed the general question (that I'm not recalling with 100% accuracy) regarding the possibility of NOT pigeonholing someone into a stereotype, based on what they say. All I can think of right now is the Boeheim shrug when a call doesn't go the way of the Orangemen. When I was coaching soccer, I found no utility in berating the officials during a match. I feel like it causes the officials to scrutinize everything your players do and develops a prejucidial attitude the next time you encounter that particular official. Rather, I'd choose to follow the chain of command and let my captain do the talking, or try to make light of excessive physical force in an attempt to cajole them into calling fouls in a more egalitarian fashion. As if.

Posted by: jack | May 2, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Re: Mr Murdock

Like he needs a bigger megaphone.

Posted by: jack | May 2, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I should add that a good friend turned me on to McSweeney's, good stuff.

bc

Posted by: bc | May 2, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

This has nothing to do with your column, but wanted to ask you if you know why the big oak tree at the corner of Cathedral and MacArthur in the Palisades is being cut down this morning?

Posted by: palisades pal | May 2, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I suppose somewhere there's a record of how many shares of Dow Jones Murdoch already owned before he offered double the share price for the company.

The stock jumped from 36 to 56 the day of the news and has stayed up there. So even if he drops his offer, some folks have already made a bundle. I'd certainly take my profits now if I owned DJ shares.


Ivansmom... I always worry about that color-blind thing. My husband and I have worked hard to raise color-blind children. My son wondered what color my daughter would be before she was born; my daughter says there's a woman in the neighborhood who looks just like my sister. The woman is black; my sister is white.

They, too, describe the kid with the glasses or the girl with the pretty dress.

But then they get confused when they hear even supposedly positive reports: John Smith is the first black CEO of Company X. They wonder why that's still news. It's got to color their attitude, for lack of a better word, and almost add to the stereotypes subconsciously.

Hearing about the first woman president of ABC University makes them wonder why that's news. "Does that mean women shouldn't be president, Mom?"

I think the whole world's got to change. It's a tough job, but it can happen, I think, if we're really up to it.

Posted by: TBG | May 2, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Whew, I'm hot and sweaty and need a rest, but the begonias are all planted.

Ivansmom, I've noticed that my kids are less aware of race than our generation. I think it's because they have been exposed to a much wider range of children than I was over their whole lives. I hope that it makes a difference in school that will continue throughout their careers.

Posted by: Slyness | May 2, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I should also point out that although I still consider the National Geographic an excellent periodical, I find that it has undergone a shocking decline in quality dating to August of last year.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Again with the fripperies.

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 2, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: TBG | May 2, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

We have tried to split the difference, TBG. We try to describe people by something other than color, which clearly has been reinforced by his peers. However, we've also had very explicit talks about civil rights, as well as the women's movement. Since he was little, we've talked about Martin Luther King, and how people couldn't do things just because of their skin color ("isn't that crazy?"), and about the suffragettes, and how people couldn't vote just because of their gender (his preferred word now). This gives him a context for women and minority CEOs, candidates, etc. We hope the message he's getting is that, in what he considers ancient historical times (wince) people were judged differently based on characteristics over which they had no control, but now we know better and don't do that. So far it seems to be working.

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 2, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

If Dr. Evil succeeds, where will the "Fox" go? Fox Jones. The Fox Street Journal. The Wall Street Fox. Okay, that's my favorite.

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 2, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

RD, I noticed that too, and in fact I did not renew my subscription. I wonder if they experienced a noticeable dip in subscription revenue?

:)

Posted by: kbertocci | May 2, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Non-renewal comments suggest that some people did not appreciate "The Joy of Shoes," National Geographic, September 2006. I didn't renew either.

Posted by: Shiloh | May 2, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Yes, we've done those things, too, Ivansmom. We have some good family discussions, too. I think I may have told this story in the boodle before, but here's one of my favorite parenting moments:

We like to watch movies from the 1920s and 30s. My husband hunts them down in the Tivo guide and then sets them to record. We have fun watching them with the kids and seeing what life was like back then: the clothes, the slang and the attitudes. We talk about how things have changed and often laugh at old expressions--and discuss seriously old prejudices or stereotypes.

We were watching a 1934 movie called "Imitation of Life" with Claudette Colbert and Louise Beavers about a white woman (Colbert) and a black woman (Beavers) who open a pancake shop and eventually a pancake business (Aunt Delilah's Pancake Mix).

Beavers' character has a daughter who looks white and tries to "pass." When she complains that Colbert's daughter called her "black," Colbert asks her daughter, accusingly, "Why did you say such a terrible thing to her?"

Well... my 12-year-old daughter burst out laughing! She thought it was hilarious that someone would think that it was a terrible thing to call someone "black." To her it was like being told it was terrible to call someone "human."

I think it's true that generation by generation people will learn.

Posted by: TBG | May 2, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

TBG - I think it also helps to live in Fairfax County.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

A fox in the financial hen-house on Wall Street bodes ill, moving the WSJ from traditional conservative to neocon extreme.

Posted by: Shiloh | May 2, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

That's true, RD. I'm thankful for that. It certainly has changed since I grew up here.

Posted by: TBG | May 2, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

This is going to seem like it's off-topic, but actually the story about racial bias in the NBA and the comment about the study having "a lot of moving parts" (cute) got me started thinking about psychology studies and that reminded me that I caught part of "Fresh Air" last night and it's an important program about a significant book about human behavior.

From the NPR website (where you can listen to the show)

Fresh Air from WHYY, May 1, 2007 · Best known for the landmark Stanford Prison Experiment -- in which student volunteers in a mock prison transformed with startling speed into sadistic guards or emotionally broken prisoners -- Philip Zimbardo has written a book on the psychology of the unspeakable. It's called The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9940824&ft=1&f=13

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TBG, I agree, and I think school desegregation has been worth the effort; it's probably the best thing that has happened in the civil rights arena during the past 25 years.

You bring up a good point about media--one of the things that bugs me is how the media covers census data--somehow it's news that the percentage of hispanics has increased in my county, or that by a certain year in the future, all minority groups together will add up to more than 50% of the population. It's irritating to me but I have to admit that it is news, sort of. They also report that sort of data on age groups and income levels. And when the first woman breaks through and earns a status position that throughout all of history has been denied to women, that's news too. The kids are ahead of their time.

Posted by: kbertocci | May 2, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

From the link Joel provided:

Christopher Hitchens -- the Washington-based pundit, polemicist and world-class dinner party commando -- won the commentary award for his controversial columns in Vanity Fair. Hitchens, who once wrote a column mocking journalism awards, was praised by the judges of these journalism awards for his "incisive eloquence and expansive intellect."

Since I'm just finishing Hitchens book of letters, anyone know what was so controversial about Hitchens columns and their subject content? And why they would have won him the prize?

Picked up a remaindered book this week about the founding and history of National Geographic, titled "Explorer's House"--the story of Gardiner Greene Hubbard, Alexander Graham Bell and Gilbert H. Grosvenor. I'm eager to start reading it. And I did make a mistake in one of my earlier postings about a month or so ago--the price of an annual subscription to Natty G is $15, not $12 as I mentioned--a real bargain at either price.

http://www.amazon.com/Explorers-House-National-Geographic-World/dp/1594200327/ref=sr_1_11/103-4821320-9039802?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178119836&sr=1-11

Posted by: Loomis | May 2, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

If TGB and kb are talking about race, I would be remiss to not point out several excellent op-eds recently by our longtime Metro columnist Carlos Guerra (since the Ken Burns controversy about his upcoming WWII documentary is playing large here).

Guerra writes about the Warren Court's Hernandez decision:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/columnists/cguerra/stories/MYSA042807.01B.guerra.34fe112.html

Even though the U.S. Supreme Court answered the question in 1954, people still ask: "Aren't Mexican Americans 'white'?" And few realize that the answer forever changed Latinos' legal status everywhere.

Yes, Hernandez vs. Texas remains little known as its importance is underappreciated. ...

As a Mexican American, Hernandez was denied his 14th Amendment right of equal protection, the lawyers argued. But that protection applies only to blacks and whites, the state responded, and being white, his conviction should stand.

But no Latinos had sat on any Jackson County juries for at least 25 years, the young lawyers showed. That was a coincidence, the state's attorney replied.

But in a 9-0 decision, the Supreme Court justices disagreed.

"The evidence in this case was sufficient to prove that persons of Mexican descent constitute a separate class, distinct from whites," wrote Chief Justice Earl Warren, before adding that when "laws single out that class for different treatment, the guarantees of the Constitution have been violated."

Challenging Ken Burns:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/columnists/cguerra/stories/MYSA042107.01B.guerra.351c11b.html

It is little wonder that when Burns' omission of Latinos came to light, thousands protested the exclusion. But the result was as insulting as the exclusion.

Latino war stories will be included in station breaks of Burns' "The War."

I wonder what that tío [uncle] I never met, Adalberto Ramón, a National Guard staff sergeant who was shot between the eyes by a sniper in Italy, or what my scoutmasters, two of whom spent the better part of World War II as POWs in German concentration camps, would think of it all.


Posted by: Loomis | May 2, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I switched from NGeo to Smithsonian magazine ($12) and have been satisfied.

Posted by: Shiloh | May 2, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Might have to resume Wired after a decade's hiatus. But that leads to questions of how that would fit into the other stuff that pours into the house. For the literate who like leisurely stories, Surfer's Journal is text-driven. Maybe William Finnegan will write something for them. Maybe he already has.

Posted by: Dave of the coonties | May 2, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I just started getting "The Week" magazine--I don't know how I get these magazines, they just appear in my mailbox, a result of something I signed up for online or some credit card promotion, who knows what. Anyway, "The Week" is a quick summary of major media, a good review and a chance to see if you missed anything important (how could that happen, if I read Achenblog every day...) Most of the "articles" are just summaries of real articles written elsewhere, abstracts even, reports of reports. But the most recent issue included a condensed version of Weingarten's "fiddler in the metro" story. I don't like abridgments on principle, but it was a pretty big honor for that to be the week's only feature story.

Posted by: kbertocci | May 2, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Stuff that pours into the house.

Ever since I forwarded my late father's mail to my address the piles have been getting bigger and bigger.

I often wonder what my dad actually did with his copies of Working Mother and Oprah magazine. Last week something called Saveur arrived.

I don't really think my dad was paying for all of these. I've got his checkbooks and credit card statements. I think he got one of those "use your air mileage for magazines" offers. I just wish he'd thrown it out.

Posted by: TBG | May 2, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Funny that you should mention the Smithsonian magazine, Shiloh, since one if my $1 book finds earlier this week was Nina Burleigh's 2003 "The Stranger and the Statesman: James Smithson, John Quincy Adams, and the Making of America's Greatest Museum: The Smithsonian."

Regrettably no index, but know that material on Marsh the paleontolgist is included.

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/marsh.html

Posted by: Loomis | May 2, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Fascinating connectedness, Loomis, between O. Charles Marsh, the Peabody at Yale endowed by his Uncle George and the fire at the Georgetown library this week. It gives meaning to the concept of six degrees of separation.

Posted by: Shiloh | May 2, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I wondered about that 'Shoes' article, as well, then NG stopped coming. I guess the subscription expired. I think that parts of NG and Smithsonian need work. The latter isn't quite what it was when I subscribed some fifteen years ago. I miss Natural History and the late Stephen J. Gould's musings on natural selection.

Posted by: jack | May 2, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

[REDACTED] Bulletin of Atomic Scientists [REDACTED]

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 2, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Considering the number of publications which come to our house, it is truly refreshing to realize that I've never read, or even seen, most of the Magazine Award winners.

I vowed never to take the Smithsonian again after ending my subscription years ago. This was before recycling, and it was such a beautiful magazine that I couldn't bear to throw it out. Facing a cross-country move, I had years of magazines stacked up and couldn't give them away to any deserving organization. Of course, I now could recycle them and have considered taking Smithsonian and Nat. Geographic, if only for the Boy. However, he already gets his own chess and fencing magazines, and we have far too many other things coming in to read as it is.

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 2, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, that's a very nice problem to have.

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 2, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

That is a lovely way to look at it, Scottynuke, and reflects your cheerful nature. At times I agree. At times I think we're drowning in paper. Then I pull out the recycling wand and all is well.

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 2, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Hi all! Trying to catch up after a week of nonstop work, but you don't make it easy! Haven't even had a chance to read the transcript of the Weingarten chat.

bc, in the last boodle, you asked a question about a telescope. Perhaps like good astronomers, they were looking for intelligent life forms? (Low and away, and perhaps a little slower next time.)

martooni made me do a double take--at first I thought he said 36D, which made me wonder if there was something he wasn't telling us.

CP, we have a resident blue heron. Such a stoic, patient creature standing there pretending to be a cattail until a hapless fish comes by.

As a nod to being on-topic, we get so many magazines, it would be a full-time job to read them all. Many are Raysdad's effort to use his many frequent flier miles. Food & Wine, US News, Money, Horse Illustrated, Consumer Reports, and the list goes on. At least he stopped receiving Skiing (which made sense, given that neither of us have skied in over four years).

Posted by: Raysmom | May 2, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Raysmom: I still have my first pair of skis, the venerable K2 four competition, 195 cm. The one's with the red white and blue p-tex stripes that replicate the tops. I even sent away to K2 corp. for a copy of the Wayne Wong poster of him executing this great turn off a mogul that exposed the bottoms of his skis.

Posted by: jack | May 2, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

jack, I'll have to look to confirm, but they sound just like a pair that Raysdad has in the garage. From back in the day when manly men strapped on the longest skis they could manage. His latest are a somewhat shorter pair (but longer than current trend) of parabolics.

Posted by: Raysmom | May 2, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, I was delighted to read that you used to ride dressage. It's my favorite equestrian sport, but unfortunately it's only televised during the Olympics. What level did you ride?

No, I didn't ride dressage--just my 4-H horse, suited up Western. Except for his small stature (14.2 hands), he might have done well in dressage. He was far too collected and forward-striding for the average Western judge. They always preferred the peanut-rollers.

Posted by: Raysmom | May 2, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Raysmom: My wife designed this space in the upstairs foyer where we're displaying some of our old stuff (most of it's mine): bicycles, skis, lacrosse sticks, tennis clubs, a FlxFlyr, etc.. I was given a choice of displaying it or parting with it.

Posted by: jack | May 2, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Raysmom - I was still cruelly mocked by my daughter for assuming that "dressage" rhymes with "message."

What do I know from horses?

(Did I mention the cruelly mocked bit?)

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

And can anyone tell me why it is worthwhile to watch the first three quarters of an NBA basketball game? Most of the games remind me of those indoor bicycle races where nothing much happens until the final sprint to the finish line.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of periodicals. Does anyone else have this strange compulsion to tear out all those stupid little insert mailer cards?

And if the answer is no, please forget that I even mentioned it.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

RD, the first thing I do when picking up a magazine is pull all those &*%$ cards out. So no, it's not just you.

Although you do show more patience with basketball than I. Last quarter, heck. Why not the last 2 minutes (that take a half-hour to play)?

Posted by: Raysmom | May 2, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

RD, I can't read Smithsonian till I've done that. They drive me nuts. And it seems that the mag only has three dozen of them...What a pleasure to have torn one side out and come to the other and know that I've gotten all of it!

Posted by: Slyness | May 2, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

RDP;

The little mailer cards in my periodicals seem to leap from the pages all on their own... Haven't you trained yours yet?

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 2, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

>Does anyone else have this strange compulsion to tear out all those stupid little insert mailer cards?

Whaddaya mean "strange"?

Posted by: Error Flynn | May 2, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

One up on all of you. I not only tear out the cardboard inserts, I usually tear out any back-to-back ads. The magazines become svelte and much easier to handle.

That should read "more compulsive than any of you."

Posted by: nellie | May 2, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

RD, I am another person who removed all mailers first - they drive me nuts.

Off on a tangent I happened to go to a site I look at once in a while. It is for a magazine called The Beaver, (jokes aside), it is a good historical magazine here.

Came across the article below and interested followed the links to the author, who it turns out has been getting a lot of press about his new books, and who I also discovered is the son of Dan Hill (Musician - not sure if his music went across the border). Just by coincidence the author also lives in my town.

Quite a collection of books of blacks and black issues in Canada, think I have the next books I will be reading.

http://www.thebeaver.ca/bea.asp?subsection=fea&page=pas

Posted by: dmd | May 2, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I too immediately rip out and discard those cards. I thought that was what they were for -- wrist and finger exercise. The magazine industry's way of keeping us fit.

RD, you may not know "dressage" from "message", but I bet you know "meritage" sounds like "heritage". Even though it tastes a lot better.

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 2, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

nellie, you're not the only one.

Posted by: omni | May 2, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Ha! I always thought omni was my long-lost son.

Posted by: nellie | May 2, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

4H, Raysmom, good times. But not the rabbitry badge, which nearly ended in a way that would upset RD. Ah, the country life. Switching images from at-risk bunnies to acceptable cruel nature: Raysmom, I call the heron "needle-nose pliers of death." Froggies and fishes never see that cattail comin' do they?

Ahem: true confession. Those of us who read magazines in the tub ALWAYS remove the cards before the leisure of bubbles and words.

I have a citation from a student who studied Alan Greenspan and monetary policy that I will post shortly. Get ready for a visual treat about that most decadent of pleasures: a clean well-lit place for books.

Posted by: College Parkian | May 2, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Paragraph on the reading habits of Washingtonians (some of the sentences are doozy-long, but the Fed Chairman scene is priceless):

Gail Kern Paster, the director of the Folger Shakespeare Library, spends a few hours at home most nights plowing through books on a cushy, paisley-emblazoned chair in a red room. National Endowment for the Humanities Chairman Bruce Cole does his reading in bed, propped up on a hillock of pillows. At his house in McLean,"where there are no distractions, good light and a comfortable chair," and where the air is sometimes perfumed with classical music, Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) reads with such absorption that "not even our little dog Trouble can easily distract my attention from the book," Byrd wrote in an e-mail. And Alan Greenspan, a spokesman said, luxuriates in the bathtub every morning scrutinizing reports and books before heading off to his job as chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. New York has its financial geeks, and celluloid visions swan through the brains of swarms of Los Angelenos. But here in Policywonkdom, it's all about the
history of ethnic conflict in Macedonia, or the state of civil liberties in the Information Age, or hydrogen fuel cells and U.S. energy independence. It's a city of brainiacs and militant readers, of many-degreed people who relish not the notion of a boozy night on the town, but a serene evening at home buried in a book.

From February 27, 2003 Washington Post "Home" page.

Posted by: College Parkian | May 2, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Small correction, Dan Hill the musician is Lawrence Hill's brother, Dan Hill the father was a Human Rights Activist.

Posted by: dmd | May 2, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I have been a reader of Wired since the very first issue which is now very collectible. My copy got discarded long ago. I no longer read it cover to cover and a pile of back issues on the kitchen table continually mocks me.

It has declined from it's early '90s salad days, but it is still a good read.

Other magazines that come in the mail to the yellojkt household include:

Time
Entertainment Weekly
Budget Traveler
Good Housekeeping
GamePro

Painfully, EW is the only one I still make an effort to read cover to cover.

Wired has the most "blow-ins" (the technical term for those annoying cards). I collect them and use them as bookmarks. By the time I get to the end of the issue, there is a stack of 4 or 5.

Time is pretty notorious for thick unbendable advertising inserts. Fortunately, they are usually perforated and easily disposable. Magazines I read at BigBoxOfBooks while drinking an overpriced highly caffeinated milkshake include:

PC
Bust
Blender
Diva
Rolling Stone
Maxim
Utne Reader
Vanity Fair
New Republic

None of these have reached the level of requiring me to subscribe although Blender is would be top candidate if some urchin was selling subcriptions.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 2, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to everyone for never again having to feel guilt about discarding the stiff little inserts from the folds of magazines. Anyway, I only do it if they conflict with my reading or with turning a page--which is always.

Posted by: lowen | May 2, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

In relation to Rupert Murdoch's publishing empire, he certainly does appeal to the darker side of humanity. I think that is well put.
As far as the Wall Street Journal is concerned, even though I don't read it myself, I don't think they appeal to the darker side of the reading public.
Ruth Beazer

Posted by: Ruth Beazer | May 2, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I read WSJ when staying at hotels that offer complimentary copies. I started reading it while in college when I would browse through a fellow students pass-along copy she needed for a business class she was taking.

For awhile I worked in a building where several tenants had WSJ subscriptions. I would take an early coffee break, borrow their copy and retire to the building library. When done, I would refold it and replace it in the mail bin. I nearly got busted a few times. I had to give up living on the edge like that.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 2, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

My brother is a senior editor for the WSJ and we had some pretty interesting email exchanges yesterday, before the news of Murdoch's bid became public. One of the few insider-trading opportunities of my life, and I didn't own any stock! Darn.

The staff is very very concerned. Very. Journalistic standards and all, don't you know.

Posted by: Yoki | May 2, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Loomis, I think I was unaware that Burns was doing a series on WWII until you mentioned it, and also unaware that there was any Latino/Hispanic controversy about it. I read Guerra's piece you linked, though, and have some observations. Using Guerra's own numbers, Latinos comprised only 3.1 percent (if you use the lower 500,000 figure) to 4.3 percent (using 700,000) of all the Americans who served in WWII. Also using his numbers, if Latinos won 13 Medals of Honor, out of the 1,150 who won one, that that makes 1.15 percent.

One therefore has to wonder how much time and proporportion of his series Burns was expected to make devoted to a segment of the military that was only 3 to 4 percent, and won a tad over 1 per cent of the Medals of Honor. I don't suppose you'd want to forward these percentages to Guerra and see what he says?

And it raises the question, what other minority groups "should" a "PC-approved" Ken Burns series have to cover? I'd hazard a guess that the series doesn't have much of a gay, lesbian and transgendered section, either.

And speaking of potato chips (how's that for a cool segue?) as we were several weeks ago, Herr's now has a line of (I'm not making this up) kettle-cooked "Baby Bak Ribs"-flavored chips. Close to BBQ, and has a nice smoky flavor...not bad. And you don't have to hose down your hands and face afterward like you do with ribs.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | May 2, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

My subscription to the WSJ dwindled from daily to Friday-only (for their very excellent wine column) to not at all (when they discontinued Friday-only subscriptions). With so much other stuff to read, many days it went to the recycle bin unread, except for the summary on the front page--the headlines at a glance. I hearily apologize to the trees.

Posted by: Raysmom | May 2, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Have I mentioned how nice it is to be boodling live once again? I missed you guys!

Posted by: Raysmom | May 2, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I take the WS(Fox) but don't read the financial nuts 'n bolts (kinda takes away the point, huh?) or the editorials. Circumstantial evidence suggests someone here at work used to peruse my copy before I got here, but that stopped when I began taking the Boy to school and arriving at a reasonably early hour. Should Dr. Evil succeed in his evil plot to take over the media world, I may well have to give it up.

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 2, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

At great risk of misinterpretation and harsh judgment, I would like to propose counter-arguments to recent news items about racial bias in the application of rules/law. The scientific analysis of socially uncomfortable data requires the utmost in scientific rigor to limit the wiggle room for detractors and opponents to decry the conclusions. I feel that these cases have left critical wiggle room that needs to be addressed.

Please note that I am not saying that my counter-arguments disprove the conclusion of racial bias in either study. Based on the reportage I have seen about the studies, however, it seems that there may be lingering issues that haven't been considered as biasing the outcome, or considered as alternative conclusions that could be supported by the observed apparent bias.

(1) In the calling of NBA fouls, it seems that there is no consideration for the possibility that the black players may actually be committing more fouls; that is, *IF* the rules were applied uniformly, it is conceivable that the black players could nevertheless draw more fouls. Subtly different understanding of the same rules can lead to subtly different outcomes, which is the conclusion of the paper that Joel cites -- he doesn't describe an overwhelming racial disparity, it's relatively mild, and the analysis requires accounting for a lot of other issues. There could be subtle cultural differences between groups of players on where they draw the limit on permissible physicality in the game. Joel's synopsis did not suggest whether the authors had considered a racially-biased difference in playing style.

(2) Gene Robinson had an article (yesterday?) about the continuing costs of "driving while black." Some of his detailed analysis seemed a little jumbled to me (i.e., he confused me), but the critical upshot was that a greater fraction of traffic stops for black and Hispanic drivers result in "probable-cause" searches and arrests, compared to white drivers. Assuming equal probability of criminal behavior by race, this is prima facie evidence of bias. However, let's recall that poverty is racially biased, so that black and Hispanic citizens are more likely to be living in poverty. The quality of public education is racially biased, so that better, and better-supported, schools tend to be situated in predominantly white neigborhoods. Blue-collar crime (the kind that might be spotted in a traffic stop) is often hypothesized to be more likely among the impoverished and undereducated -- I don't know how much evidence already exists about this hypothesis. With these assumptions, one can logically conclude that a greater fraction of black and Hispanic drivers would actually be blue-collar criminals. The traffic stop data thus support the hypothesis that social ills, which are disproportionately inflicted upon non-whites, result in greater probability of criminal behavior. There is a racial bias at work, but it's not necessarily (or exclusively) on the part of the police officers who make the traffic stop. Unfortunately, the clearest way to test this conclusion is to conduct searches in an equal fraction of traffic stops, regardless of probable cause, and compare results of actual evidence for crime. The law does not permit this, obviously, and we wouldn't want it.

Posted by: ScienceTim | May 2, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

CP - loved the bit about DC reading habits. But let me ask you this. Do any of these allegedly-wise people have the common sense to read in a room in which rabbits are hopping about?

I think I've made my point.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Also, I am relieved to see that I am not the only one with the little mailer-card compulsion. Now I can inform my wife that there are others.

But maybe I shan't.

She has enough worries as it is.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

>I read WSJ when staying at hotels that offer complimentary copies.

I worked at Dow Jones in South Brunswick HQ in the mid-90s. Strange place. It was weird for a programmer to be in a union, which was basically a joke as one might expect.

Reading the editorial page every day really cheesed me off.

REALLY nice cafeteria. Attractive women. Paid lousy.

Posted by: Error Flynn | May 2, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Tim, while I think you've got some points, I believe you err when you state that "[t]here is a racial bias at work, but it's not necessarily (or exclusively) on the part of the police officers who make the traffic stop." The fact that a higher percentage of blacks and hispanics, for whatever reasons, commit and/or are convicted of crimes (and there's a whole lot of room for discussion on that one), does not give an officer probable cause to search their vehicle. You can't be giving the police a pass on the "you people are criminals" mindset, are you? Or are you saying that, in all those cases, the police actually smelled pot, or saw paraphernalia, or some other *actual* reason to search the car?

Posted by: Wheezy | May 2, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

And what about fighting a cat for the desired section of the newspaper, or having a dog to rant to while reading op-eds? Small mammals may not be very good at suggesting the next good read, but they can make a long hard slog through necessary reading possible if not pleasant. Let me tell you "Minnesota Cities" the monthly pub of the League of Minnesota Cities is a must read for a small town mayor, but better than Lunesta as a sleep aid.

Saw a rabbit in the wild yesterday. A first since the eagles dispersed with the spring thaw.

Posted by: frostbitten | May 2, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

The reading selections in our corner of rural America are rather simple: Outdoor Life; Field and Stream; Guns & Ammo; anything to do with trucks, National Enquirer, the Star, comic books, and the venerable Penny Savers.

Posted by: jack | May 2, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the coaching findings, more data and sustained thoughtful analysis can help us here. Tim points out important considerations for discussion and re-analysis of that huge data set. I would also appreciate time series data. I think we are rougher and foulier (oh pardon the word, but fouler does not work) than in times past. I recall that Kirk Rambis was one of the brutish players in the 80s....was he foulier? Or just a big guy moving through with heft and gravity. Gravitas?

Stereotyping is a human perception-strategy that underlies so much of our quick assement of situations. Not all stereotyping is bad. Think on the smooth salesperson who presents in such a way as to quickly earn your trust (and money.) Finally, I live in a majority-black county. I suspect some stereotyping of me in this setting, not all of the most positive sort. Often the experience is simply that of "other." Recall RD's discussion of our reaction to difference, two or three kits ago.
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Don't forget this principle that we must live with: The ref is right, even when the ref is wrong.*

*Some rulebooks permit film-checks and the like. However, I still believe in "ref rules" at all levels of sport. Imperfect? Yes. But it is what it is.

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RD, unless some mole reveals that our new Fed Chair is "Bunny-Bernake" (sp?) well, I guess you are the bunny-bopping-book buddy in DC and the surrounding environs. Today, you win. Savor the moment.

Posted by: College Parkian | May 2, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

ScienceTim, the nugget of information I found most interesting in the traffic stop study as reported by Robinson is that, although blacks were more likely than whites to be arrested, they were also more likely to be released without any enforcement action.

Actually, the kind of crime spotted in a traffic stop is overwhelmingly related to alcohol or drug crime, or discovery of people with outstanding warrants. That is, you have open containers, odor of drugs or alcohol, people visibly under the influence, visible drugs, and people acting nervous or otherwise arousing the officer's suspicion (or not; these often are pretext stops, where a traffic violation leads to a search) leading to a search which uncovers drugs in the car. Many drug and alcohol crimes are pretty evenly spread over the general population. Warrants, maybe, given your assumptions, have an inherent racial bias. I don't know.

I am touched by the faith in the system expressed by your last two sentences. Did I mention pretext stops?

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 2, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

About the pronunciation of dressage - I had never heard it spoken before, but assumed the French pronunciation. My youngest (she of the issues) imperiously informed me that it was "dressage" to rhyme with message. I didn't argue with her. One has to pick one's battles. I am relieved to find that I was right. I *was* right, wasn't I, Yoki?

Posted by: Wheezy | May 2, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Raysmom - Do you get that free daily newspaper called "The Fairfax Chronicle."

I am sure it is a perfectly nice regional paper, but all it does around my house is fill up the recycling bins.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Wheezy, you were correct it is dress-auge, although I have heard the odd pronunciation of mess-auge :-)

Posted by: dmd | May 2, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Bunny nest update: the four little critters I found on Friday were doing well and getting bigger, so their mama evidently was feeding them. Today there are only two in the nest. I'm concerned. I'm thinking that they explore around the yard at night and two didn't make it back to the nest in time this morning. They're *probably* just getting their own apartment and enjoying their independence. I hope.

Posted by: Wheezy | May 2, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I have been informed in no uncertain terms that the last syllable in "dressage" rhymes with the last syllable in the word "massage" as used in the phrase,

"The official claimed that the only service provided was a massage."

I hope this clears everything up.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

No Fairfax Chronicle, but two similar local free rags. Fortunately they deliver on the evening the recycling bin goes out, so I don't even have to carry it to the house.

About six months ago, the county put a notice in the Fairfax section of WaPo that junk mail, magazines, paper food packaging, etc. could be put in the recycling (don't know if that was new news or not). We've gone from two full trash cans a week to one partially-filled.

Posted by: Raysmom | May 2, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, RD and dmd.

Posted by: Wheezy | May 2, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

The real problem with comparing stop leading to search leading to crime with stop leading to search and no crime is that there are no statistics on who is searched where there is no criminal charge. Jurisdictions don't necessarily keep these, and who can blame them. They seldom get reported. Persons searched but not charged have virtually no legal recourse. In very extreme cases they can file a federal civil suit but if there is any remote modicum of reasonable suspicion leading to probable cause the officer, and his government employer, will usually be immune to suit.

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 2, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Mudge writes:
And it raises the question, what other minority groups "should" a "PC-approved" Ken Burns series have to cover? I'd hazard a guess that the series doesn't have much of a gay, lesbian and transgendered section, either.

Reminds me of a joke in the Hitchens book. Perhaps I can pass it along later? (I see that Hitchen's latest column in Vanity Fair is about about how women aren't funny or humourous.) Guerra's e-mail address is at the end of his column. Why not send along your remarks to him directly, Mudge?

I am supposed to be doing housework or yardwork, but it's so stinkin' humid for the nth day in a row, it's easier to be still with the overhead fan on low. Tornado warnings this afternoon east of Midland. Tornado warning last night about 100 miles south of town. Predicted that we'll be in for rough weather tonight.

Instead of doing what I "should" be doing, I was poking around in Burleigh's book. Opens with Alexander Graham and Mabel Bell traveling to Italy to retrieve Smithson's bones from the British cemetery in Genoa, before continued blasting by locals dumps all British bodies into the sea. Second chapter deals with Smithson's folks--his father, Hugh, Earl of Northumberland, who got his title through his wife, a Percy, she a distant descendent of "Hotspur." His mother was a paramour of Smithson's--a young, wealthy, widow--and of Hungerford descent (I've several questions about this Hungerford line that would contribute to further knowledge about my endogamy, call it "double whammy endogamy"--depending if the answer is "yes.") So James Smithson is not a blood Percy, but there is a possible family link on the Hungerford line. Who knew until I cracked the covers of Burleigh's book?

And the two times I was in D.C., it was for about 36 hours each time and I regret not going to the Smithsonian, which my husband visted on a business trip during our marriage. Seems there was a great loss of Smithson's papers thanks to a FIRE in the Smithsonian in 1865--speaking of D.C. fires lately.

Posted by: Loomis | May 2, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I ALWAYS tear out the cards and stiff ads before I read any part of a magazine. The terrible thing is that I work for a publisher and I design and create inserts and order cards!

But ours are only inserted into an envelope with your newsletter. You know, the one that you JUST ordered yet still get the flyer and card in the envelope that say "Renew NOW and get this FREE travel mug!"

The magazine advertisers who think their ads have to be bold and thick and in my way to get my reading attention must not realize that such ads just end up in the trash.

The magazine ads that are clever and nice-looking and don't have anything to do with Thomas Kinkade or Precious Moments are the ones I do read.

Posted by: TBG | May 2, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

In Monday's boodle, there was a discussion of Bill Cosby and the airplane engine. It was called Fat Albert's Car. Fat Albert put a "Cessna airplane engine" in his car. I'm getting Websensed by the link, but I recall girls' reaction to it was "I want a ride! I want a ride!"

Posted by: Raysmom | May 2, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

SciTim, you beat me to that comment on officiating.

Wheezy, I think what SciTim is saying is that, in both cases, one possible explanation is that the officials and the police are racially biased. There are, however, alternative explanations which could account for the same data, that were not tested for in the studies.

One of those alternative explanations is that (in the NBA example) the black players really are committing more fouls. In the police example, if police uniformly apply the same standard for probable cause, but one group commits more crimes, then that group will be searched more often.

Note, I'm not saying I believe this--I'm saying that the conclusions are based on shoddy scientific technique, becase significant variables (who actually commits the fouls/crimes) were not considered.

Moreover, as ST also stated, when you look at correlations (race correlates with searches), you have to make sure there are no other correlates. Are people being searched because they're black, or because they're poor? Maybe the police are biased against poor people--which takes us back to the first issue.

Posted by: Dooley | May 2, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Padouk wins! I've never heard it prounounced like message, only the French way. Though I wouldn't put it past the Brits to say dressage-message just for spite.

Germano was ranked as Intermediare 1, but I only competed up to Medium 3 classes.

Good fun. I sometimes wish I'd been able to keep it up and go further. Oh well.

Posted by: Yoki | May 2, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I am happy to learn that pulling out those card inserts is common. I do it all the time, even pull them out of the magazines I borrow from family (although nobody has complained when I've returned the cleaned-up mags).

A question for magazine subscribers, do you always get your copy of the most recent issue in the mail before they hit the stands? I have canceled quite a bit of subscriptions because of chronic late issues. Even though it saves $ to subscribe, it's really irritating to get my issue two weeks after it's been on the stands.

Posted by: Aloha | May 2, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Raysmom - Yes! That was the Cosby bit. Thanks for remembering that, as I fear the brain cells I was relying upon have become a bit unreliable over the years.

Also, since Fairfax County changed the recycling rules we now have a separate bin pretty much just for those cardboard refrigerator boxes that canned sodas come in.

It is good that the county recycles, but I think I need some bigger bins.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, I can't tell you how much I miss my horses! But when I moved here I knew I'd have to board so far away I wouldn't get to see them much. And besides, my horse at the time was a psychotic Arabian that was given to me (yes, yes, I learned my lesson about "free" horses).

Posted by: Raysmom | May 2, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

RD, we got a second bin and now have one for papers and one for bottles and cans.

Posted by: Raysmom | May 2, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Yoki mentions Brit rejection of French pronunciation.

The best example I can think of is the Commonwealth pronunciation of "lieutenant", where it is pronounced "lef-tenant". My understanding is that this dates back to the French pronunciation pre-Revolution.

Posted by: SonofCarl | May 2, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I often think of the garage/garridge split, or Bernard/Bernerd.

Posted by: Yoki | May 2, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, of course, Maurice-pronounced-Morris

Posted by: Yoki | May 2, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Wheezy-Frostdottir and She of the Issues should get together and swap pronunciations. Frostdottir was directing Mr. F via mapquest directions to take a left on Frontage Rd., with frontage pronounced to rhyme with massage and dressage. A u-turn was made after the laughing ceased.

Posted by: frostbitten | May 2, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

My least favorite British pronunciation is "Don Jew-an" for Don Juan. It just sets your teeth on edge. Even the plummiest Brit announcers do it.

Posted by: Wheezy | May 2, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Front-ahj Road - that's hilarious, Frosti!

My older daughter reads a lot and often decides on seriously wrong pronunciations while reading. When she uses them I correct her, and she takes note. Then the next three or four times she uses it she first pronounces it wrong, then self-corrects. It's very hard for her to get the wrong one out of her brain.

Posted by: Wheezy | May 2, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh, of course, Maurice-pronounced-Morris
Posted by: Yoki | May 2, 2007 04:04 PM

Ah yes, Yoki, this is the Irish version two, as in
FitzMaurice sounding MAR-is and
NOT Maur-ECE. Also, my relies with similar names appreciate the capped letter after the Fitz prefix, which is fancy, fancy for elegant and blue-blooded line descending from a baby gotten on the wrong side of bed-sheets. (Take that, Hal-the-Puritan)

But I love to hear and CANNOT imitate British for
*long-fronted, fussy sports car
OR
*the country near El Salvador of Sandinista-fame

Posted by: College Parkian | May 2, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Do you mean jag-u-are CP?

Posted by: dmd | May 2, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Dooley writes, "...significant variables (who actually commits the fouls/crimes) were not considered."

In the basketball case, is there a source of data on who "actually" commits fouls other than what the officials call?

Posted by: LTL-CA | May 2, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Or the British pronunciation of "samba" and "paso doble" with a short A. (So I was watching Dancing with the Stars last night.)

Posted by: Raysmom | May 2, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Wheezy-I know that avid reader mispronunciation well. Rendezvous will always be ren-dez-voose to me in my head even though I say it correctly.

Before the Harry Potter movies came out I think every child in America thought Hermione was pronounced her-moyn. Was Hermione Gingold the last famous Hermione before Granger?

Posted by: frostbitten | May 2, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey, aloha! We seldom if ever get anything in the mail before it is on the stands, and the New Republic is sometimes weeks late (even with the new two-week format). However, since I'm always behind on reading them, late arrival works out.

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 2, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

My husband calls it Rue Frontage.

Posted by: TBG | May 2, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I remember watching Allistair Cook on PBS when I was a child (?), and his pronunciation of reNESSance, meaning that artsy period between the 14th and 18th centuries. There was something about the way he sniffed the middle syllable that just got to me.

Posted by: JB | May 2, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Aloha, you subscription delays may be due to your propensity for living so far offshore. I suspect mags are sent to Hawaii by ship rather than air, so take much longer. (Rat droppings and bilgewater stains are the tip-off.) I usually get my mags before the newsstand delivery, sometimes by a significant amount.

When especially nettled by all those mag ads, I have been known to assiduously collect and save them, and then dump them all in the post office box for delivery to the various people who put them there--on their dime, of course, and completely blank.

Almost as irritating as those blow-in cards and the tear-out cardstock ads are those darn centerfold spreads of naked women that fall out and the staple through the girl's navel rips the page and...uh, not that I've actually ever read those kinds of magazines, mind you. A friend told me about them...Very disgusting, I'm sure.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | May 2, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

LTL-CA writes "In the basketball case, is there a source of data on who "actually" commits fouls other than what the officials call?"

I'm sure there isn't, especially since what constitutes a foul is highly subjective in most cases. Thus the difficulty in drawing definite conclusions (not that the attempt shouldn't be made).

Posted by: Dooley | May 2, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Coming in from AP at the NYT re: Colony Collapse Disorder. Bees:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Honeybee-Die-Off.html?

Filed at 4:43 p.m. ET

BELTSVILLE, Md. (AP) -- Unless someone or something stops it soon, the mysterious killer that is wiping out many of the nation's honeybees could have a devastating effect on America's dinner plate, perhaps even reducing us to a glorified bread-and-water diet. [Prepare your 21st century cookbooks!] ...

Genetically immune-deficient?

Then, scientists finished mapping the honeybee genome and found that the insect did not have the normal complement of genes that take poisons out of their systems or many immune-disease-fighting genes. A fruitfly or a mosquito has twice the number of genes to fight toxins, University of Illinois entomologist May Berenbaum.

What the genome mapping revealed was ''that honeybees may be peculiarly vulnerable to disease and toxins,'' Berenbaum said.

Posted by: Loomis | May 2, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Hi Mudge - actually, most mail comes to the islands by air these days, all except parcel post. Magazines are considered first class mail and should arrive with the rest of the real and junk mail I get. Something happens in the distribution house, I think, and often times it ends up being late. This happened when I lived in CA as well. Maybe it's a getting stuff from the east to west that's the problem?

Ivansmom - I'm just jealous that the non-subscribers get their hands on the issues that we subscribers are supposed to get first. So very silly.

And, once and for all is the word 'herb' pronounced with a silent h or not? I've always thought it was silent until I heard Martha Stewart say it with the h-sound. Is she jut weird?

Posted by: Aloha | May 2, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

SCC: just

Posted by: Aloha | May 2, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Way off topic but I just discovered this book, "Why Mommy is a Democrat"
http://littledemocrats.net/index.html

Click on the sample pages. Cool illustrations.

Posted by: Aloha | May 2, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, LTL, there is no one appointed to decide what the fouls "really" were, any more than there is someone who decides whether the umpire called balls and strikes correctly, or whether the Redskins were "really" off-sides (most likely they were--but nobody's counting).

Also the question of who "actually" commits the fouls is a bit misleading, since it really isn't a question of who, but rather, was it a foul or not, as a yes-or-no thing.

The umpire and referee associations do in fact monitor games and review calls, and discuss them with the officials, and write up reports on their officiating all the time. However, I'm virtually certain they don't look at race--they are mostly concerned with whether it was a good call or a bad call, and how many of them did Official X have.

It is further complicated by the fact that the Offials leadership group does in fact issue "directions" to officials, telling them (for instance) to lighten up on calls, or to get stricter about some kinds of calls, or to watch out for so-and-so because he always does X or Y infraction.

I am also dead certain that the training and screening process in promoting officials up through the ranks is so rigorous that there is no chance (IMHO) that any official with a pronounced racial bais could get up to the pro's without somebody noticing it and blackballing the guy. Which is not to say there aren't officials who may have deep, subtle biases; all I'm saying is that if said bias exists, it is deep, subtle, and almost certainly unconscious. (I've worked with a couple redneck glassbowl umpires from time to time; you learn who they are in about four seconds. They get "selected out" by their own colleagues real early; you don't need someone from the outside to come in an do it or even tell you who they are.) (It isn't racism among officials anyone needs to worry about; it is sexism, a WHOLE NOTHER matter altogether. See Postema, Cortesio, et al.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | May 2, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Martha said "herb" with an aitch? I'm shocked, shocked. It's that jailhouse patois she must have picked up in the joint.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | May 2, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to drop that pomposity-bomb and then run away; I had a meeting. When I'm trying to be extremely precise and avoid the implication of nefarious intent inferred from my wording, I can get REALLY dry and technical.

Dooley has correctly explained what I failed to clearly explain: my concern is with shoddy science, or at least, insufficiently rigorous science.

What confused me about Robinson's presentation of the results was the part that Ivansmom noted -- the tendency to release arrested persons. It was phrased in a way that seemed ambiguous to me, although it certainly seemed to be saying that a larger fraction of the arrests of nonwhites were later not prosecuted. That would definitely support the contention that the officers were biased in the initial interaction. I can't be entirely certain, however, that that is precisely what the study authors really meant to say, or is that just my expectation of what they intended to say.

It seemed that both studies completely discounted the possibility that the police and the refs are honest actors who are making honest observations. If we make the assumption (as a thought experiment) that they are doing their job in an unbiased fashion, then it compels an entirely different conclusion about the results, one which strikes me as far more interesting. I can't reach into the heart of individual refs and cops and eliminate prejudice, but I (society) can change policies to improve social outcomes in general. Or, in the case of basketball, I can just say "Oh well, what the heck." A change in social policy is expensive, however. It's much cheaper to decry the bias of officials while actually doing nothing substantive to improve the situation.

In the real world, I don't doubt that refs have racial bias and that police officers use traffic stops as pretext for searches on mighty thin evidence. What interests me is the simplistic assumption that bias lies entirely with the official, instead of a mixture of issues. If these studies want to investigate biased outcome on the basis of a property that SHOULD be irrelevant, then we should be at least as interested in the race of the refs/cops as the race of the players/drivers.

Posted by: ScienceTim | May 2, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

ScT's 'pomposity-bomb' elides to 'bombasity,' rather nicely.


Posted by: College Parkian | May 2, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Bombastitude?

Posted by: ScienceTim | May 2, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

hey guys!!! sorry i've been so incommunicado - work has been very very busy and yes, i'm lovin the new job...

boodle skimming here so i have a race comment - is it wrong of me (it prolly is) but i get annoyed when ppl assume i'm white or when my mother says "well, you are white so x,y,z" (my mother is very dark skinned and it's actually a point of contention for her in a way)... i'm HISPANIC - not white (even tho i'm half and half)... *shrug* i don't know why it's so important for me to make that distinction... not that there's anything wrong with being white (hah!) but i just don't indentify with it... and not that i set my identity or anyone else's on race - it's just.... well... i'm not white goshdarnit! i'm proud of my race!

and i hate those magazine subscription cards so much that i stopped subscribing to magazines for many years - well, that and i would have stacks and stacks of magazines that i could never get to and then feel guilty about not reading them... now i just subscribe to the washingtonian cuz it has a lot of good local info (and everything else is on line anyway so what's the point?)

HUGS EVERYONE! you don't know how much i've missed the boodle!!! (oh, and the kit too!)

Posted by: mo | May 2, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Well, of course there's no place to look up the "true" fouls in a game, which is why it's hard to take the whole thing too seriously. Plus as Mudge mentioned, the recruitment process will tend to preserve current standards, and the players adjust, so you're very unlikely to find a single official you could point to.

Speaking as a soccer referee, I notice different tendencies to foul and patterns of disruption between different nationalities in that sport. The basketball analogy might be the world championships, with national teams competing.

On Mudge's other point, I've played a lot of amateur baseball, and it sure seems to attract rednecks.

Posted by: LTL-CA | May 2, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

We live out in the country a few miles west of Jacksonville, OR and our mail comes via a contract carrier driving one of those little white RH drive jeeps. Our New Yorker comes most anytime. Sometimes a week before the cover date and sometimes two weeks later. Sometimes a week late followed by another on the correct time of delivery two days later. Based on the fact that there are three address with the same number but on different roads and we sometimes get their magazines in our mail box, I think our's maybe get delivered to the wrong place and after they get done reading it, they put in back in mail box and flag it for the carrier to pick it up.

Notice by never renewing subscriptions when the notice is sent out the renewal price keeps going down. We are getting this year's Smithsonian for $2 by winning a scratch off in a renewal letter shortly after last year's expired. We get our New Yorker for $24/year via a postcard that comes with the Vanity Fair.

My wife especially hates those hard cars that come with a tear off perforation. I read the magazines in bed when I wake up 1, 2 or 3 in the morning. While the reading light doesn't bother her, the zip of tearing off the card really gets her awake.

That was chinze call that fouled our best player just when the last two minutes of meanfull time of game began.

Posted by: bh | May 2, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I am so glad you showed up mo! You had me all worried.

Now don't you go and do that again.

Mercy.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I like to think that those of us who are hybridized varieties get to pick our own identity. Technically, I am more English than anything else, but I have an Italian name so I tend to consider myself Italian.

Especially since, let's face it, being considered Italian can come in handy.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I like what 'Mudge said about internal professional development in ref world. Kind of a post-mortem. private analysis.

Here is a comment back to LTL-Ca about youth soccer (coaching since 1996 - stopped last year) and regional/national variation.

We are very strict on manners and conduct (Takoma Park Youth Soccer; Northern County Soccer Alliance). I learned a number of expletives in Spanish and had to work hard on this (worked hard on junk-mouth in English, too). We had a Ulster-boy from Antrim play one season; he brought the charmin' but naughty 'fawkking' and powerful 'shiite,' and 'Jaysus' into the mix.

At one point, an Argentine dad who scimmaged nicely with us, opened his potty mouth one two many times. When I chatted with him, he laughed and agreed to comply. He told me that in his culture, you never swear, ever, SAVE on the soccer field.

Posted by: College Parkian | May 2, 2007 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Garden report: The unorthodox method of burying spoiled veggies in the garden is actually working! There are cucumber sprouts, tomato sprouts, pumpkin sprouts and potato vines.

But the carrot tops - not so much. They seemed to thrive in the pot, but wilted in the garden. Maybe they're growing roots instead (hope so).

Everywhere else - flowers. Trees, bushes, groundcover, meadow, creekside, all a-bloomin'.

Crow report: Just one enthused feathered fan flying up to listen for a few nights, but I drew a few more in yesterday by switching from flowing, intricate classical tunes to Irish pub songs. No question about it - they like a strong beat and repetitive melody. Something to caw along with (and they do).

Posted by: sevenswans | May 2, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow CP - A British revolutionary, an Islamic sect, and a designated hitter all in the same sentence.

I am impressed.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Mo-some of us think of you in knitting terms. Glad you are back. More on the knitty stuff later, perhaps in the fall when the chill descends again.

RD -- Hal the Puritan held some words...I know i may experience the wrath of somebody but I meant the Irish version of cowpies that in that parlance rhymes with KITE!, not a tribe of Islam.

Sevenswans -- so crows like war and uprising songs? Good to know. The crows in our neighborhood have not recovered to pre-West Nile numbers. My most memorable crow story concerns a hapless owl being harried unto death by a coordinated crow attack. Took the better part of a day. One daughter was beside herself with worry. "Call 911." "Mom, do we have a gun?"

We had a funeral moment over the pecked owl carcass....all inside the Beltway.

Nature happens.

Posted by: College Parkian | May 2, 2007 7:23 PM | Report abuse

One day last week four copies of The Economist arrived together. Not consecutive dates -- intervening ones had arrived more or less on time (Thursday thru Saturday). At least I can read that, and some others, on the net if I'm desperate to catch up.

Some of the adult English and Irish players -- you don't know whether to send them off for bad language or give an award for poetry.

Posted by: LTL-CA | May 2, 2007 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't know that I'd say basbeball (or softball) "attracts" rednecks, per se, LTL, but I kinda know what you mean. I was mainly talking about officials who have been around for a few years, know what they're doing, and may even be good enough to start getting into the lower levels of their sports at say the college level and maybe even Single-A ball.

Down here, we've got a few rednecks in the area, an d they are sometimes involved in baseball or softball, but I know from experience by the time people in this area get to the high school level, there is just no room for racial bias--no coach in this area would tolerate it one bit--you'd just simply lose. (And in this region we take both baseball and softball VERY seriously at the local level: we've won five Little League "Big League" Girls Softball World Series (16-18-year-olds), and one Boys World Series. (And that coach is a friend of mine.)

Also, LTL, as a soccer ref you know just like I do that when you're in the middle of a game you're just thinking way too fast and reacting to events to stop and actually think about somebody's race or nationality or whatever. Yes, there are "homers" with regard to nationality or just in local home teams, but being a "homer" isn't generally race-related. And "homers" are spotted by their peers and weeeded out as quickly as racists. (The Olympics and that level are a different story.)

mo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hiya, girlfriend!

Posted by: Curmudgeon | May 2, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

RD Padouk-I think I blistered my tear ducts snorting crushed red peppers up my nose with your 7:14.

Reminds me of my favorite hockey schtick-Jesus saves, and Esposito scores on the rebound.

Posted by: frostbitten | May 2, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Everyone here has probably already visited Project Implicit, but just in case here is the link.

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/research/

Have fun taking the tests to discover your own implicit biases on dozens of topics. I think I probably skewed too much to race neutral when taking one of their tests because Denzel Washington figured prominently in the pictures of men I identified as "black." (I've lusted after Denzel since he was on St. Elsewhere.)

Posted by: frostbitten | May 2, 2007 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Steven Chu, Nobel Prize winning scientist, "was denied admission to Ivy League schools." Not the point of this News Hour story, but in view of recent boodling-very interesting.

Posted by: frostbitten | May 2, 2007 7:37 PM | Report abuse

>Especially since, let's face it, being considered Italian can come in handy.

RD, a friend of mine tells a story of a biotech exec in San Francisco who's very Italian, keeps a .45 on his desk, and has family in the waste business in NJ. Seems to work for him.

As for basketball, I have to wonder what kind of racist would work in a job where 80% of the players are black. I don't really follow it, but apparently there have been a few All-Star games with no white players at all.

Guess that'd solve the problem.

Posted by: Error Flynn | May 2, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

CP,when I worked inside the beltway, I took a walk every day around our tree-lined block. I watched crows that were flying around the perimeter suddenly land and then walk across one street's intersection. It seemed a terribly foolish thing to do for a being that had wings. But. . .there was a catbird nest.

It remained a no-fly zone for at least a month.

Posted by: sevenswans | May 2, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Well, you nailed the other question that's been on my mind, EF: how can a ref be racists when there's 10 guys on the floor, 8 of them are black, one is an 8-foot-tall Chinese guy, and the only white guy is 4 inches shorter than everybody else, comes from Estonia, and has no vowels in his name.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | May 2, 2007 7:56 PM | Report abuse

didn't mean to worry anyone RD! lo siento!

cp - knitting terms???? please to explain... (never thought of myself in knitting terms, as, well, i don't knit...)

Posted by: mo | May 2, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

not that there's anything wrong with knitting mind you! i think it's cool - it's just not something i've ever tried...

hey mudgie, my mudgie!!! *smiley emoticon*

Posted by: mo | May 2, 2007 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Mo -- your gothness inspires some knitting silliness and patterns. We spoke about you and some knitting stuff...did you give over to the green boa, before spring descended?

Posted by: College Parkian | May 2, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

mo! Can I have one of your outstanding hugs? *Hugs*

I'm interested in this from the point of view of organization of societies, not on a personal level. But I have always wondered why bi-racial or bi-ethnic people are usually, by themselves and others, identified as *belonging* more thoroughly to one side of that heritage than the other. Thus when mo says "I am Hispanic," why is that? I understand that sometimes, when other people impose the identification, it is outright bias or racism (for example, in Arab Muslim countries, if a person is of mixed ArabM and South AsianM heritage, *pure* Arab Muslims will insist that they are not "Arab enough" and will identify that person as South Asian (and anybody who tells you Arab Muslims are not prejudiced against South Asian or Sub-Saharan African Muslims is either deluded or lying, (well, really just
lying)). I think the degree of African heritage still operates that way in North America (and am shamed by it). If someone is half or some other proportion African-American, they are identified as *really* black, aren't they? By both the African-American and white communities? Why is that (other than the 'not white enough' explanation, which we should be but are not beyond, at this time)?

But when we self-identify, why is that? Language? Cultural richness? Family pressure? I'm curious.

I'm already guessing I'm going to get myself into a mess which this question. I thought about wiping it out, and then decided against. Because I am truly curious, and as Cassandra S says, if we never talk 'about the elephant in the room' then we'll never get past it to the bathroom, no matter how badly we need to.

Posted by: Yoki | May 2, 2007 8:17 PM | Report abuse

In this Florida resort town, magazines arrive thusly:
Newsweek, usually on Tuesday
Science, usually Friday after it's issued
New Yorker, erratically but no sooner than Friday after it's issued.
Economist, occasionally on Saturday, usually by Wednesday the next week, sometimes two or three weeks later.

Delivery should be quicker in the summer.
________

It would be interesting to check where science post-docs and junior faculty at research universities got their undergraduate degrees. Come to think of it, I bet the AAAS (American Association for the Advancement of Science) already knows.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | May 2, 2007 8:20 PM | Report abuse

When I was at Georgia Tech it was during one of their basketball uspswings and the talent on the team was point guard Mark Price and center/forward John Salley. Mark Price was white and from Oklahoma where a high shool basketball player goes home and shoots free throws for hours. John Salley was from Brooklyn where streetball rules. I'm not sure Salley ever sunk a three point shot. The study claims to have adjusted for position, but the white guy is much more likely to be the guard where he is not under the rim swinging elbows. All this study has revealed is that there are cultural differences in how different groups learn to play basketball.

My son is multi-cultural and we have raised him color-blind but starting in middle school he noticed that the style of talk and play and study was different between kids of different skin colors. He was making broad generalizations, but it was based on his observations and he was making hypotheses. Scientific method at work.

His freshman year he worked as a lighting tech at school. He would come home and observe that there was a huge difference in the level of organization and seriousness between say the drama production and the Black Student Association show. We didn't know how to explain it except to say that there are cultural differences. They exist on the stage and on the court and in the classroom.

There I said it. I'm now going to listen to my Avenue Q soundtrack and admit I'm a little bit racist.

There are

Posted by: yellojkt | May 2, 2007 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Good questions, Yoki. I hope we do chat about it, along the pathway of RD's good question last week.

Here are few of my thoughts before I tend to evening routines here.

I strongly identify as ethnic, but this is easy as Irishness is a low-risk ethnicity to put forward. I do, however, recall the last vestiges of a curious mix of class, ethnicity, and religion that kept Catholics, French-Canadians, Indians, Bohunks, Litvaks, Polacks, Italians, and Irish on one side of the river in a mining town. We were clannish among this mix and largely happy, but we knew that the other side of the river included big houses, tennis courts, a department store, etc. We lived in the shadow of a copper smelter, where many dads worked under union protection.

NOW
I live in a majority black county and my children are (or have been) among the handful of white students in their high school. The high school is now about 25 percent Latino -- mostly Central American --,the remainder is black; the mix is sometimes volatile.

Racism and stereotyping occur between all stripes of people. Brown on black; black on brown; brown on white; white on brown; black on white; white on black (did I miss anyone?) Despite so much progress, a visit to the school cafeteria is very sobering:

children -- young people in process -- sit at tables according to race.

Footnote to Mo: do you prefer the term 'Hispanic' or 'Latino'.....or 'Latina'?

Posted by: College Parkian | May 2, 2007 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, the author I spoke about has a whole book devoted to bi-racial children in Canada (black/white). I read the article in MacLeans where he tells how he felt growing up, I found it very interesting. The majority people I knew that were black growing up were bi-racial, I enjoyed reading his thoughts.

http://www.lawrencehill.com/essays_articles.html

Posted by: dmd | May 2, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Here in the frozen north our community is deliberately picking the scab of racial division (between white and American Indian). I hope you got the memo on the whole American Indian vs. Native American identification. I kid you not, there was a memo. Anyway, healing the racial rift, crossing the divide, getting along, closing the gap-yada, yada-was the primary reason we recruited people to go to the recent leadership retreat. I don't know where our efforts will lead but at least we're trying. In the past Minnesotans couldn't even acknowledge they had a race problem. Or maybe they've just decided the Indians in our midst are preferable to the Mexicans, Hmong and Somalis (she types cynically). As a non-Indian on the res it's good to start by pointing out it is we who are in their midst and from there it just gets ever more complicated.

Posted by: frostbitten | May 2, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

HUGS YOKI!!!!! i love me some yoki!!

i don't really have a solid answer for your question yoki - i think historically, what race, ethnicity or religion your mother is, than you are - i mean, that's the way it is with judaism right? in my case, my mother is hispanic and my father wasn't in the picture so i was exclusively raised by her - that being said, i was raised to think of myself as "white" (my aunt thought it would be a better idea to raise us all as "white american" to "better" our futures back before there were many hispanics in this area) so i thought i was "white" till i was 16 - it wasn't till then that i realized that i wasn't totally white - even tho i knew my family was hispanic - and i felt cheated about losing that heritage, culture and self identity - maybe that's why i am so focused on being identified as hispanic... tho i agree it is a weird no-man's land being biracial...

Posted by: mo | May 2, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Birds of a feather, CP, whether in the cafeteria or on the telephone line, always stick together. It is a matter of comfort level and inherent trust. The owl pecked to death by crows was an earlier referenced case in point. That does not rule out cooperative interaction to the benefit of a specie as a whole.

Posted by: Shiloh | May 2, 2007 8:53 PM | Report abuse

mo, you just repeated many of the sentiments that were in the article I read.

Nice to see you back.

Posted by: dmd | May 2, 2007 9:00 PM | Report abuse

mo, I think the association between you and knitting came about through an unfortunate typographical error of mine: a few days ago I referred to you as the boodle's favorite sex mitten. Sorry.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | May 2, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

sex mitten *snort*... mudge that's the best compliment i've gotten in a while!

cp - i've gotten that question before as well - i grew up being "hispanic" - it wasn't until recently that latino/a became pc - it's always been hispanic to me but i don't mind either...

Posted by: mo | May 2, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Does Hispanic have any meaning in a racial sense? In my experience, Spanish speakers around here are a royal mix of Europeans, Native Americans (which means originally NE Asian?) and some blacks, plus all the 2- and 3-way combinations. And in LA, they also have the rest of humanity available to mix with.

Posted by: LTL-CA | May 2, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse

SCC?? Wondering if I got the capitalizations right.

Posted by: LTL-CA | May 2, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

ltl-ca - in my experience "hispanic" meant those of latin decent not from spain and "spanish" meant being from spain (besides the language itself)... latino came about recently to mean those from latin america... but that, to me, is what "hispanic" means... but i'm not the expert by any means, i'm just citing my experience...

Posted by: mo | May 2, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

And then there are Chicanos.

Posted by: Shiloh | May 2, 2007 9:19 PM | Report abuse

chicanos are mexican

Posted by: mo | May 2, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

and yes, not only do i *LOVE* the green scarf, i got a chance to sport it a cpl of times... with compliments i must add!

Posted by: mo | May 2, 2007 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Hispanic means to me those descended from the Iberian Peninsula, including Portugal. Thus, i've maintained that Benjamin Cardoza, and not the prospective Alberto Gonzalez, is the first Hispanic supreme court justice

Posted by: Shiloh | May 2, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

mo, nice to see you back.

>i grew up being "hispanic"
I grew up thinking I was mostly Irish, only to find out I was more German. Sheesh.

I had to change mugs.

Posted by: Error Flynn | May 2, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

mo, nice to see you! We've missed you - where's mo?!?

Posted by: mostlylurking | May 2, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

*snort* error - i realize that i'm contradicting myself - when i say i "grew up hispanic" i meant i grew up hearing the TERM hispanic - i never heard latino until recently...

Posted by: mo | May 2, 2007 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Problems with nomenclature for those south of our southern U.S. border.

Since I'm a descendant of Sancho Garces III--he actually being Basque, but his descendents ruled northern Spain and my antecedents were involved in the first two "Crusades" against the Moors in Spain, according to James Reston, Jr.--then I'm Hispanic.

Am I Latina? I don't think so until I think of my distant antecedent, Alice Saluzzo, who came from Italy. Then I'm Latina.

Am I Mexican (I think of John Phillip Santos and his writing in terms of his Spanish and Indian or Native heritage)? No. Am I mestizo? No. But learning recently that a good chunk of my family tree spoke a language derived from Latin--Spanish, and that half or more of our hemisphere speaks that language has me rethinking much.

And I've been thinking about the Ken Burns issue and controversy--which was covered by WaPo, by the way. Navajos were a much smaller percentage of Hispanics who served in WWII, yet the code talkers were absolutely critical to the success in the Pacific theater. Documentaries, books, film have told their story.

Posted by: Loomis | May 2, 2007 9:34 PM | Report abuse

On official census forms, Hispanic is an enthnicity that is tracked separately from race. You can be Hispanic AND either White, Black, Asian, American Indian, or Hawaiian. Here is a more detailed discussion of at least how the US government, vis-a-vis the census, breaks down race.

http://www.civilrights.org/press_room/buzz_clips/race-categories-to-change-on-2010-census-form.html

2000 was the first time that the race question was multiple choice. In the more detailed analysis, the census came up with 250 discrete combinations of ethnicity, race, national origin, and/or tribe. Talk about lumpers versus dividers.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 2, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

When I was a kid, I yearned to be more "ethnic". I made up last names for myself - long names, with no vowels.

I was a weird kid.

Posted by: mostlylurking | May 2, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey mo! Glad you like the new job, but don't leave us for so long! We do tend to worry, you know. Especially Mudge and Snuke.

Posted by: Slyness | May 2, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I am only one quarter Irish, but since that is my paternal lineage, it is how I self-identify. My wife is Vietnamese, but that includes enough ethnic Chinese that Vietnamese don't always recognize her as one of them. Occassionally she uses this to her advantage in nail salons when the techs talk in Vietnamese not knowing she can understand them. She is expecting some confusion when we visit China this summer.

I tell my son to put down white as race unless it is multiple choice. There have been examples of anti-Asian quotas in the Maryland educational system.

The Ken Burns mini-series, as I understand, focuses on four communities and the effects on and by the war for those areas. It's a caase study type of format, not an over-reaching comprehensive narrative. The communities he chose to profile were not heavily Hispanic. I think he is justifiably taking discrete umbrage at people telling him what to put in or take out of his documentary.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 2, 2007 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I was born in Texas and my mother had a nickname she used to call me that I still remeber:

Miguel Manuel Ortega Garcia Cortex McYellojkt

It's the name I go by on Drinko De Mayo.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 2, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but do you all know your blood type?

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 2, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

SCC:

Miguel Manuel Ortega Garcia Cortez McYellojkt

Cortex McYellojkt is the name I go by when I drink myself blind.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 2, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

um... the most common one - o positive?

Posted by: mo | May 2, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Can't get through all the comments but, if there is sort of a trivia thing here (sort of like pitchers who have hit for the cycle) relating to the boodle, I gotta say that RD may have had the funniest first post that I, anyway, recall. Snort.

On the NBA bias thing, did anyone consider the possibility that white dudes are just the best insincere floppers and more pestering whiners. I mean, Kevin McHale, as white as you can possibly get, in all the games I ever saw him play, apparently never believed he ever fouled anyone in his entire NBA career. He never was called for a foul that he did not express the highest level of indignation at the utter foolishness of the referee.

Even if the analysis has some faint odor of reality, let's remember some facts about basketball. It ain't peach baskets anymore.

I went to IU as an undergraduate (perfectly timing my presence there so I missed both the 1976 and 1981 NCAA championship teams) and played zillions of pick up games playing Hoosier (polite) basketball.

In the early '80 I was at the U of C on the southside of Chicago. Pick-up games were not only more diverse but sort of field hockey with elbows substituting for sticks. Not a racial thing. An urban thing.

I also learned (in class) at U of C that statistics can be twisted for almost everything; without a cogent theory to interpret data, don't rely on it.

My point, I really find this "report" suspect. Urban basketball is much more aggressive than jump shooting "Hoosier" basketball. Quite frankly, I painfully learned in the early 80's that the urban agressive basketball approach is undoubtedly superior. Intimidation, is a part of the sport.

Fouls result from aggressive play on the basketball court. I think an equally valid possible explanation of what is going on is that African-American players who, I am guessing, are more predominantly from urban areas, are more aggressive on the basketball court. More fouls called against them? Likely means they are playing harder (and maybe more likely to succeed).

I think a duh is in order without playing a race card.

Posted by: bill everything | May 2, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

A-

Posted by: Shiloh | May 2, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

A Mo, a post, a boodle... Panama's in the air!

We can defeat group stereotypes by making the names for them too narrow and complex to remember.

This is the precise reason why I tell people I'm an "Anacoustic Pseudo-Hibernian Gnome from Haute Aphasia, you know it, it's 400 miles from Westfully as the Iggle flies."

Nobody ever asks me to repeat that one more than once. (N.B. Haute Aphasia isn't the same as Haute Megalophasia, which is nearby).

Posted by: Wilbrod | May 2, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Nope, can't remember my blood type, but it is one of the common ones. What else - everything about me is boring! I fainted in biology class when we had to prick our fingers to do the blood type test. One of my shining moments in high school.

Posted by: mostlylurking | May 2, 2007 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I should note that in questioning the finding of racism regarding NBA refs, I do know the heinous crime of "DWB" problem is real.

Posted by: bill everything | May 2, 2007 10:11 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who might be interested, Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods were paired at the Pro-Am round at the Wachovia golf tournament today:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/images/video/wachovia3/

Posted by: Slyness | May 2, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

BTW Mo... my blood brother could pass for hispanic and has been mistaken for black.

And you've seen me. I'm so white, I make an icicle look tan.

We need to get OVER the color issue and recognize that, with this level of immigration, mixing, and globalization, color is a lousy marker for ethnicity.

Posted by: Wilbrod | May 2, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Wibrod well said.

Slyness thanks for the link, I hope Tiger picked up a few pointers from Michael Jordan in how to treat the fans.

Posted by: dmd | May 2, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Scared to death that I will be misquoted:

SCC: "I think an equally valid possible explanation of what is going on is that African-American players who, I am guessing, are more predominantly from urban areas, STATISTICALLY, are more aggressive on the basketball court."

ALL CAPS noting the additional word. I hope this isn't a Jimmy the Greek moment.

Posted by: bill everything | May 2, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

This Saturday my wife and I are going to visit Montpelier, the ancestral home of James Madison, out in the wilds of the Virginia countryside, because we are deeply interested in Madison as president, and in the Constitution of which he is "the father" thereof ... oh, and because they're having this WHOPPING BIG WINE FESTIVAL there, with food, hot air balloons, cooking demonstrations, 18 or 20 vineyards, including one of our favorites, Stone Mountain Vineyards, wine, crafts, wine, a Revolutionary War encampment, wine, bluegrass, jazz and folk music, and possibly some wine. [11 to 6 p.m. Saturday, noon to 5 p.m. Sunday, $20 a head.]

Any other boodlers wanna meet for a drink?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | May 2, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for your thoughtful responses. I do love the Boodle because we can ask hard questions without being misinterpreted.

Posted by: Yoki | May 2, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

> food, hot air balloons, cooking demonstrations, 18 or 20 vineyards,

IT IS BALLOOOOOOON!!!!!

Posted by: Error Flynn | May 2, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

And do I love me some mo? Yes, I do.

Posted by: Yoki | May 2, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, you could have mentioned that before I booked my flight. Have a great time.

Posted by: dmd | May 2, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

>IT IS BALLOOOOOOON!!!!!

EF, love the F Troop reference. You just can't do that kinda show nowdays.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

mudge - how far is montpelier and how much are the tickets cuz that event sounds right up my alley!

Posted by: mo | May 2, 2007 10:53 PM | Report abuse

>You just can't do that kinda show nowdays.

Yeah, you couldn't count the groups that would object. Jewish guys playing Indians? That's gotta tweak somebody.

Posted by: Error Flynn | May 2, 2007 10:56 PM | Report abuse

By the way, my "Monkey Man" video of Jon Bilinski's music will be hitting the Canadian airwaves May 6th and 13th at Midnight Pacific on CJDC TV.

Posted by: Error Flynn | May 2, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse

dmd, you mentioned Beaver magazine many hours ago and just now I stumbled across an article on the CBC's website - the magazine "has begun an online promotion inviting Canadians to name the 'worst Canadian'" ever!

CBC article: http://www.cbc.ca/arts/media/story/2007/05/02/beaver-canadian.html

Beaver's worst Canadian:
http://www.historysociety.ca/bea.asp?subsection=ext&page=WC

My fellow Canadians will surely agree that the worst Canadian is former "Kid In The Hall" (and current judge on "Thank God You're Here!") Dave Foley. He knows why.

Posted by: byoolin | May 2, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Woo hoo! (Canadian expression of overwhelming enthusiasm). Monkey Man is awesome; funny, clever, hollywood-type-referential. And I love the dancing strappy sandal-feet!

Posted by: Yoki | May 2, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Such a poll would be too dangerous to do in America right now.

Let's just say I think Benedict Arnold would have heavy competition from the 21st century.

Posted by: Wilbrod | May 2, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Regarding race and the U.S. census:

There is no objective measure to determine what race or ethnicity one belongs to. It can be scientifically (through the science of linguistics) determined what country of origin your name belongs to, but that is meaningless because you can change your name. There is no blood test, no DNA test, no measurements you can take to determine your race, because in the reality-based world, there is no such thing as race. It's a fluid concept, simply a subjective statement of how an individual perceives his place in the world of humans. I believe, and please one of you government workers set me straight if I am wrong, but I believe that your official race on the official census is, officially, (i)whatever you say it is.(/i) I always check "mixed race" if there is a box for that, or "other," if not. Because that's what I say I am, and that's what I really am. My whole family is passing for white and other people think we're white, so we benefit, inadvertently, from whatever institutional racism favors white people. We're not going to kick ourselves out of the country club, but we know the truth, anyway.

Posted by: kbertocci | May 2, 2007 11:12 PM | Report abuse

These are the Daves I know I know, these are the Daves I know...

I know him, and I know why.

Posted by: Yoki | May 2, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

But have you looking into The Walrus? Not a bad mag, for Canadians. Of course, it helps that Lewis Lapham is the guiding spirit.

Posted by: Yoki | May 2, 2007 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, 10:51 was me.

Posted by: bil everything | May 2, 2007 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Very true. Human beings are a ring species, varying as they adapt to various regions.

About testing for ethnic ancestry:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/genetics/2006-02-01-dna-african-americans_x.htm

Posted by: Wilbrod | May 2, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha. SCC: looked

Posted by: Yoki | May 2, 2007 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Some of them are Davids...
But most of them are Daves
They all have their own hands
but they come from different moms.

G'night all! Love ya Yoki!

Posted by: TBG | May 2, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

In no particular order-

Mudge- it's cosmic (that's the boodle for you!) This evening my husband and I were trying to figure out how we could make it to Montpelier this weekend in spite of a number of things that need to be accomplished this weekend. If we can get there, I will be boodling in short order to get some secret high sign I could repeat over and over until I find you.

Error - your 7:41 and 9:29 - thank you. Short, sweet and to the point. Cracked me up.

Dave Foley - isn't he the guy from that io TV show about a radio show a few years back? For some reason, the name of the show is escaping me (I think it has to do with some 40 odd reasons) but I always liked him! Why is he so bad, Yoki?

I've never felt the lash of stereotypes or racial animus at all as a fair skinned mostly Irish type. My mother, however, grew up as the daughter of Irish immigrants and to the end of her days
had flashes of real bitterness about the hostility she had felt growing up. She was the sweetest woman, but get her talking about some folks from her small midwestern town that had treated her family poorly....ooh, there was an edge. I'm glad to read the comments in the boodle. It makes me think the country is moving in the right direction.

I feel terrible about the Eastern Market, but the Georgetown library fire just really makes me feel sick.

Good night, everyone.

Posted by: Kim | May 2, 2007 11:53 PM | Report abuse

http://www.cedarsurf.com/

When Captain Cook first met the local native population, they said "Nootka, Nootka." (Translation: "Go around, Go around") to which Cook responded:

"They are called the Nootka."

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | May 3, 2007 12:19 AM | Report abuse

I hear that the article analyzing NBA refereeing in racial terms will be a subject of NPR's Talk of the Nation on Thursday.

IMHO "analyzing in racial terms" is a better way to put it than using the word "bias".

Posted by: LTL-CA | May 3, 2007 12:44 AM | Report abuse

After an exhaustive study of major league baseball (two at-bats) I have concluded that black baseball umpires call more strikes on white players than black players when a Japanese pitcher is on the mound. This is especially true when the black player singles to left field on the first pitch.* The statistical analysis--including n-dimensional multivariate penisenvy studies--will be available in a Friedman. Maybe two Friedmans.

Preliminary statistical analyses are available for an exorbitant fee--see the web site achinbackphoboscity.com. While on the site note that shares in a well-known bridge crossing the Hudson are currently offered to select individuals with sufficiently large financial resources.

*The his would have been a double with many left fielders. Since the left fielder was also black an additional statistical evaluation will also be available (at additional cost) analyzing the suppression of black advancement by other blacks. O it's a nasty, complicated world out there; thank the Lord that we have statisticians to explain it to us!

Posted by: MedallionOfFerret | May 3, 2007 12:53 AM | Report abuse

MoF, I appreciate what I think is your implied point, but it seems the NBA statistical study is based on enough data points to validate the conclusions as they are presented. That said, I wonder about the way they framed the topic. I suppose they were limited to available data by their research budget -- rich enough to cast aspersions, but not rich enough to find the whole answer.

Posted by: LTL-CA | May 3, 2007 1:16 AM | Report abuse

kb, I was wondering why the census still doesn't have a "mixed" category. Seems like it should by now. I suppose I should be more subversive when I fill out forms - I'm always boringly dull.

This is a Jack Bruce/Kip Hanrahan song which I like a lot:

So They Invented Race

So they invented race and made themselves different
From those they banned from grace
They invented race by writing the difference in the air

They invented race and carved it in a language
Tattooed it in space and wrote it on skin
So they made up race and programmed it in their cash

And the air's dark in our mouths
It's a bitter light
And the skin fades from our sight
People's faces into forms

So they made up exotic and wrote it in colour
On parchment backs as adventure maps

So they shattered my world to a million pieces
But I hold on to each piece and I number them all
Won't let my children's smile be shattered into dust

And their currency's contempt
And the power laughs
And the skin fades from my sight
People's faces into form

Salt sown into day
Dark sown in the land
Blindness sown in our hopes

So they invented race divide down their grace
And made their case in fear and pain
So they invented race and we'll invent clarity again

And the air's dark in our mouths
It's a bitter light
And the skin fades from our sight
People's faces into forms
And their currency's contempt
And the power laughs
And the air's dark in our mouths
And the air's dark in our mouths

Posted by: mostlylurking | May 3, 2007 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Good news! 80% of the Peabody Collection is in better condition than the Library thought. It looks like most of the damage is water, which can be repaired. The process will likely take years but at least the documents are not lost. We had a flood on the day before Halloween in 2005 and the govt. docs section of our University library were flooded with mud. It was heart breaking to learn that many irreplaceable maps and docs from the Hawaiian Kingdom were destroyed. The things that were saved were frozen immediately and sent off-site for conservation. That process is still going on and probably won't be complete for some time.

I work in the museum and archive world where fires and floods are our worst nightmare. I hope the commitment on the part of the mayor comes through and that the Georgetown Library can be rebuilt. It will take some perseverance to see it through but it's so worth it.

Posted by: Aloha | May 3, 2007 3:38 AM | Report abuse

I missed me my mo!!! *sobbing inconsolably*

I positively hate days where I get too pooped to Boodle... *SIGHHHH*

Morning all! *waving*

Morning mo!! *HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS*

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 3, 2007 5:06 AM | Report abuse

Loss of material from the Kingdom is particularly hard. The 19th century was an extraordinary time, not the least because of introduced diseases. The University of Hawaii Press deserves a lot of credit for its publications.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | May 3, 2007 5:27 AM | Report abuse

bill everything has a very good point. We need to be battling real racism and injustice instead of quibbling over statistically obscure biases against overpaid professional athletes.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 3, 2007 5:59 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, boodle.

mo, I did a Mapquest on Montpelier for you. Since I don't know where you live, I used McCormick and Schmick's as the start point. From there it is 91 miles and Mapquest says it'll take about 1 hour 45 minutes to get there. (Get outta town onto 395 or 95 south, and then: I-395 S becomes I-95 S. go 39.5 miles onto VA-3 W via EXIT 130B toward CULPEPER. 12.8 miles; Turn LEFT onto VA-20 / CONSTITUTION HWY. Continue to follow VA-20. 22.2 miles; Turn RIGHT onto US-15/CAROLINE ST/VA-20. 0.3 miles; Turn LEFT onto VA-20/W MAIN ST. Continue to follow VA-20. 3.6 miles End at James Madison's Montpelier: 11407 Constitution Hwy, Orange, VA 22960) Cost is $20 per (adult) person and you get a free wine glass and admission to all the wine tastings.

We went to the annual Virginia Wine Festival in Norfolk a few years ago and it was terrific. This one looks like there won't be nearly as many vineyards, but 18 or so is plenty for me. If you can't find a bottle of wine you like, you ain't tryin' very hard. I particularly recommend Stone Mountain Vineyards and their "Maquillage," a great blush/white zin aged in stainless steel (so no oakey tanins) and also their Bacon Hollow Revenuers Select ("Our tribute to Moonshiners and the Revenue Agents who pursued them. A sweet white wine. Easy to drink, especially on a hot summer afternoon! Bright citrus nose with lemon and grapefruit tones. Pairs well with spicy foods, such as Thai or Szechuan." Try to ignore the name and the Hillybilly hype; this is one great bottle of wine.) http://www.stonemountainvineyards.com/wines.html Sometime I'll have to tell the story of our visit to Stone Mountain Vineyard, which is a beautiful place on top of a mountain overlooking the Shenendoah Valley and Harrisnburg; it's mailing address, unfortunately, indicates it is a crossroads with the unfortunate name of D y k e. But to get there you ride up a narrow gravel road through what looks like "Deliverance" countryside and up the side of a mountain. But it is worth every ounce of effort for the view and the wines.

I'm also familiar with a couple other vineyards that are going to be there and which I can recommend: Barboursville, Burnley, Cooper, Ingleside (we go there all the time, near Oakville; their "October Harvest" dessert wine is to die for, and their Blue Crab Blush is only about $10 a bottle, very reasonable and pretty good http://www.inglesidevineyards.com/), and Prince Michael Vineyards (try their Prince Michel 2004 Ivy Creek Viognoir).

Kim, if you get there and want to find me, I'll be the guy who looks like Robert Redford and wearing a red Washington Nationals baseball hat with a big "W" on it, and my lower right leg may be wrapped in compression bandages. I mean, how hard can it be to figure out which one I am?

Gotta go jump in the shower (I have to jump so I can reach the soap in the soapdish) and run for the bus.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | May 3, 2007 6:47 AM | Report abuse

The Wirty Dird filter wouldn't let me post the name of the town, D y k e. Sheesh.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | May 3, 2007 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, friends. Wow, what an interesting discussion on the boodle. Don't have time to add my two cents worth, but I will check in later. On the way to the hospital for X-rays this morning. Once one starts with these medical folks it like no end.

Hello, mo, glad you're back.

Kbert, your last comment was something else.

Martooni, good for you.

Morning, Mudge, Scotty, Slyness, and all.*waving*

Loomis once commented here that my dad was a racist. I did not take umbrage at what she said because her comment was based on a comment I made about something my dad said. Some time afterwards, my dad told me he knew he was racist, and the reason for that was because he had good teachers. His grandmother was the child of a Black woman and a White man. She was very racist, used to call us(me and my sisters) little monkeys. I think in his own way he was trying to tell me that he was sorry for some things, at least that is the way I took it. As I've said on here many times, my face is the color of the highway, and let me tell you folks, I love my face and my body. It is what it is, and God gave it to me, and it really does not matter what you or anyone else thinks. When we talk about race or anything else here, we should be honest and true, and although that is a high calling, it should always be reached for because anything less is a farce.

As people we all fall short, so anything coming for us as humans will fall short, yet we should not take comfort in that but reach for the greater and the better.

Got to hit the shower. It is sooooooooooo hot here, but we're expecting some rain, which we desperately need. Have a good day folks.

Good talk yesterday, and the kit is good too JA. I don't know about Fox owning the Dow? Would that be a good thing? I am one of those people that believe some things should not be in personal ownership, as in one person and family.

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ. Peace.

Posted by: Cassandra S | May 3, 2007 6:50 AM | Report abuse

byoolin, it was the worst Canadian contest that actually started my interest in Lawrence Hill. I am still pondering who would be the worst Canadian, breaking it down in categories would be helpful plus I am having a hard time thinking past our current PM - have I mentioned I don't like him?

Yoki - Walrus is good, was also on their site earlier today.

Posted by: dmd | May 3, 2007 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Hey Cassandra! *HUGS* Hope the hospital visit is short and uneventful! :-)

'Mudge, we're gonna confuse poor Kim if I wear my red Nats hat too. I think I can make it before about 2...

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 3, 2007 7:13 AM | Report abuse

That's OK, scotty, you can wear the Nats hat too. Kim, just to avoid any confusion, scotty will be the good-looking guy in his early 40s with a well-trimmed beard. I'll be the guy who looks like Robert Redford's father if his father was, say, a toad or a frog. You won't confuse me with scotty. Not even Pat would confuse us, and he's blind. (Say, where has Pat been lately? Pat? We miss ya, guy.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | May 3, 2007 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Pat...

Delayed Sky Report:

As I motored down I-270, the eastern sky rather markedly resembled raspberry Baked Alaska.

And too kind, 'Mudge, yer far too kind.

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 3, 2007 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Here's the thing.

Imagine you were to measure the average height of dark-colored cars and the average height of light-colored cars on a parking lot. Now, it is a virtual statistical certainty that these two averages will not agree unless the parking lot is infinitely large. You will doubtless find some small difference because of the underlying randomness. Unless the difference is really large the results really don't mean much except as a way to start an argument.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 3, 2007 8:02 AM | Report abuse

dmd, I hear you about Mr. Harper. Nice hair, though. :-) (Feschuk writes in his MacLeans blog today that "the Harper government continues to model its crisis management plan on the behaviour of Tokyo residents in Godzilla ("In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, let me just assure this House that - oh my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ruuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!")")

Last week at work a new guy started whose name is a nearly-perfect homophone of "Brian Mulroney." When we were introduced I told him his name was going to give me some trouble for the first little while.

Yoki, your use of the Canadianism "Woo Hoo!" in your 11:05 reminds me that I need to send a note to my old friend Auntie Janny Horsey Lips, who used that phrase often. If you're ever in Deseronto, look her up - she's good people.

byoolin, your use of the word "Canadianism" should remind you that your wife's favourite on is "Givin' 'er," meaning 'to put one's full effort into, or to move at full speed.' As in, "Geez, that guy on the skidoo was just givin' 'er, eh?"

Posted by: byoolin | May 3, 2007 8:08 AM | Report abuse

SCC: Favourite on = favourite one.

Posted by: byoolin | May 3, 2007 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Mo, I am so glad about the green boa. I have another one on the needles. In a fit of madness I mistakenly bought said green yarn from China -- about 40 balls for about 12.00. I truly did not understand what all my clicks meant on my virgin voyage on the Bay of E. I will make one for me.....and I suppose will be making them to sell outside of Riderwood, the retirement village PF (right?) knows about, for years to come. Mo: imagine some green lacy, fingergerless mitts? Got the picture?

I would like to say that the school my children is mostly fine. They do well academically and have fine teachers. Their friends do come from a range of experiences and backgrounds, which is the America I want to live in. As middle-class mom, I have benefited from some of the realty they have seen: made them grateful, really, for the ease and relative bounty of their lives.

They do have the experience of being "other" which I believe has increased their understanding and compassion. I am proud of them.

YJ, my nephew is tri-racial.His parents, including my brother, REFUSE to check any box or identify in one slot.

Frosti- summarize the memo? My cousins married to tribal peeps (MT, SD, WA, say that the Native American thingie bugs them. Don't say anything, unless it matters, and if then, mention the tribe or tribe. They note that the new museum is NOT called "Native American."

Cassandra, there is one tendency in some black young people that I have seen as a mother, teacher, and community leader. This is also documented in sociology and education literature: an identification with academic achievement as "acting white." This perspective hobbles young people for both achievement and progress, as well as their hearts. One daughter told me that her classmate said, "you can act white because you are white. I try to fly under the radar." This boy begged his teachers to not comment on how well he was doing. I thought the burden of being street-cred-cool was awfully heavy for him. What can break that pattern? Cassandra, our local churches are active on this, but many young people roll their eyes at religion and faith community in the teen years.....

Posted by: College Parkian | May 3, 2007 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Oooooh, byoolin's using the impersonal self-referential third person!!!

*calling the nice young men in their clean white coats*

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 3, 2007 8:15 AM | Report abuse

For the sake of clarity, I should note that my wife is American and the phrase "her favourite Canadianism" should be taken to mean 'as used by Canadians'.

Posted by: byoolin | May 3, 2007 8:16 AM | Report abuse

I assume that your wife's favorite Canada* is bYOUlin.

Posted by: College Parkian | May 3, 2007 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Today's salvo in the Ken Burns kerfuffle has given me a Limbaugh-sized case of umbrage.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/02/AR2007050202671.html

There is a tragedy/farce comparison that can be made between this villainizing of Burns and the firing of Imus, but I'm not sophisticated enough to do it without sounding like a FoxNews pundit.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 3, 2007 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Well done, CP!

Posted by: byoolin | May 3, 2007 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' all...

Sky report: Amazing. It's like when airbrush artists try to simulate chrome -- blue at the top, then bands of silver, then the golds and oranges. I'm really going to hate working outside in this today.

Cassandra... at least X-rays are noninvasive. My recent adventures in medical world had doctors doing things to me that would normally require an engagement ring. They didn't even send me flowers.

Oh.. and not that I'm excited about it or anything, but STELLA RIDES AGAIN! I managed to fix the worst of the oil leaks yesterday and finished the tune-up tweaks (she still drips a little, but then so does just about every old VW I've ever seen). Still need to replace the muffler, but I kinda like the Harley sound -- it's like having a Chihuahua with a bark like a Great Dane. In any case, took her out for a test spin last night and several porching neighbors waved and gave us the "thumbs up" so I guess she's not too loud.

On the race thing... the town I grew up in was about as WASPy as you can get -- there were maybe six or so "Eye-talian" families and two (count'em, two) black families in the entire school district. My family's name is German but the Italian from my Mom's side is very apparent in my appearance, so I was considered one of the "wops". It also didn't help that we were "Papists" in an almost exclusively Protestant town. But like RD mentioned earlier, there's a certain advantage to being (or being perceived as) Italian -- the association with cement footwear can sometimes be invaluable. The "Romeo" reputation (not to mention the ability to tan in a matter of seconds) didn't hurt either.

Anyway... time for Handy Hippie to get to work. Houses don't paint themselves (thank the FSM!).

Peace, my friends.

Posted by: martooni | May 3, 2007 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, at the wine festival, be sure to stop by Autumn Hill winery. If you like a big red wine, their Horizon Rouge is fabulous. The whites are good, too, especially the Viognier. If you see a white-haired gentleman behind the counter, that's the owner and winemaker.

Posted by: Raysmom | May 3, 2007 8:31 AM | Report abuse

byoolin cannot possibly outrun the nice young men in their clean white coats that Scottynuke has called. He will stay and fight, and hope that the noise doesn't drown out The Sound Of Boodlng.

Posted by: byoolin | May 3, 2007 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Hey, mo! 'Morning, all! *waving* I didn't sleep well last night. I found out my cousin is hospitalised with a particularly advanced csse of pneumonia. He's on a respirator and has a feeding tube and has stabilised, compared to his condition when he was admitted. I'm going to immerse myself in cellular respiration as a diversion, and think good thoughts.

Posted by: jack | May 3, 2007 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Almost forgot... today makes 37!

:-)

Posted by: martooni | May 3, 2007 8:36 AM | Report abuse

mo!!! Sorry I missed you last night.

byoolin, you just created a tune cootie:

The hills are alive
With the sound of boodling

Posted by: Raysmom | May 3, 2007 8:40 AM | Report abuse

jack - terrible news about your cousin. Pneumonia is scary stuff. Many good wishes going your way.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 3, 2007 8:47 AM | Report abuse

martooni - I am looking forward to the day you count in weeks, months, and years.

But I understand that it is the nature of the beast that you will always be counting.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 3, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Morning all. Swans have moved north and the pelicans have taken their place. We have fragments of a pelican colony that disappeared from North Dakota. Though the birds turned up alive and well on lakes all over MN, their sudden departure from ND was as mysterious as the current bee disaster.

CP-The memo, as sent to our local school district from leaders of several bands of MN's most populous tribe, basically said that American Indians call themselves Indian and so should everyone else.

I think that the so called immigration debate will push our racial/ethnic language to catch up with reality. Is a "native Minnesotan" only an American Indian or someone like myself who is 4th generation or anyone born and raised here? As an army brat, I was neither born nor for the most part raised in MN but am considered more "local" by my neighbors than people who moved here 30 years ago.

Is it even necessary to have a phrase for a citizen born in this country vs. a naturalized citizen?

Hawaii has the term Kama'aina to distinguish non Hawaiians (from a blood sense of the word) whose families have lived in the state for generations from newcomers and visitors.

Random thoughts from a coffee deprived brain.


Posted by: frostbitten | May 3, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

byoolin, I know Deseronto well (at least, as well as anyone would wish to). Half my extended family lives in Napanee, and my cousin married a Deseronto boy last summer; wedding in the church in Deseronto, reception in Napanee. When my grandmother was living, she had a cottage on the Bay of Quinte just outside Napanee, and it was considered a great treat to boat to Deseronto for ice cream after supper. We knew Grandma considered us responsible adults when she invited us to take the helm, and then we'd scream over the water, just given' her, eh? Brutal!

37 has a nice ring to it. Let's all say it out loud, three times. 37, 37, 37!

Posted by: Yoki | May 3, 2007 8:55 AM | Report abuse

jack;

Best wishes to you and your cousin.

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 3, 2007 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Back in The Pacific Northwest I had friends who would insist that they be referred to either by tribe, or as "American Indians."

Some of them used to also jokingly refer to themselves as "Injuns," but made it clear that only they were allowed to.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 3, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Yoki - know any Kimmerlys from Napanee?

Posted by: byoolin | May 3, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, everyone.

Too busy to Boodle yesterday, and I'm trying to catch up...

martooni, I'm happy to hear that you've gotten Stella going again. I used to have a bug with a header and a semi-cherry bomb muffler. Hey, you're putting a lot of things right these days, my friend. Please keep up the good work.

bc

Posted by: bc | May 3, 2007 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Jack sending my best hopes for your cousin and as many good vibes as I can muster.

byoolin, Scott Feschuk has been on a role lately, of course he has great material to work with these days, columns about Harper, Baird and O'Connor just about write themselves. There is also a good column on the daily happenings in Question Period - very amusing.

Posted by: dmd | May 3, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Wish I could attend your Madison event, Mudge.

Let me give you a possible heads-up. If John Douglas Hall, the nation's premier James Madison impersonator, is on the grounds and is performing, don't miss him. He performed here several years ago as part of the traveling Lewis and Clark "national park" and he was perhaps the best part of the day's activities.

Request? If you encounter him, can you find out more about his Connecticut background, where he taught? Ask him a question from the audience if you please. He knows Madison backwards and forwards and is a great wit.

Posted by: Loomis | May 3, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Mahar Arar update, Time magazine has put him on the list of the 100 most influential people.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/210071

Posted by: dmd | May 3, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I liked Feschuk's line about Elizabeth May's troubles: "When you find yourself saying to the national media, 'Hey, you're twisting what I said about the Nazis all out of shape,' you know you've boned things up pretty good."

(A link for the rest of you: http://forums.macleans.ca/advansis/?mod=for&act=dip&pid=47603&tid=47603&eid=13&so=1&ps=0&sb=1)

Posted by: byoolin | May 3, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Does Napanee have a big sign "Hometown of Avril Lavigne" installed at the townline ? I hope they have more taste than Timmins a.k.a. Hometown of Shania Twain.

Talking about racism in sport, I wonder if pro hockey player Shane Doan would would have been named captain of the federally financed team Canada if he had called a black referee effing n* or an asian referee effing Paki? And yet after 18 months the NHL president (Mr.Campbell) prefers to believe Doan rather than 4 (count them, four) of his francophone referees. Sheesh

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | May 3, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I think we are all missing an importnt and fascinating question:

What is a nice boy like Joel doing in Denver?

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 3, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

We were *avoiding* that question, RD.

Nobody wanted to be the first to suggest that JA had joined the Mile-High City Club.

Posted by: byoolin | May 3, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Napanee! A Canadian town I've actually been to, though I didn't see much outside of the Goodyear tire factory.

Must run. Our city clerk resigned in a huff,which here consists of tossing all the records and the key to the office on a desk and walking away. I swear I am living in a twisted version of Cicely, Alaska. Looks like the town lawn mower payment is going to be late and the US Census bureau has sent us three notices about how many employees we have. That answer would be 0 now.

Posted by: frostbitten | May 3, 2007 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Happy World Press Freedom day

also it's Pungenday in the Year of Our Lady of Discord 3173

Posted by: omni | May 3, 2007 9:40 AM | Report abuse

byoolin - I'm thinking more along the lines of this:

http://www.botanicgardens.org/pageinpage/bigbugsmain.cfm

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 3, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

martooni.... It just makes me smile every time I read your posts these days. Keep up the good stuff.

Jack... hope your cousin improves quickly. Keep us posted.

Mudge et al... Montpelier is a cool place. I've never been there during a festival, but the town of Orange is a pleasant place with a nice visitors' center in the old train station.

They are restoring the mansion itself to the way it was when Madison lived there. I kind of think that's a shame, myself. The home was lived in until the 1980s and had been added onto. Those rooms were, I believe, a cool reminder of living side-by-side with history.

Can you imagine serving cocktails in a beautiful Art Deco room in the same house that James Madison had lived in? I actually think that there's some merit to the history of rooms that were built by the duPonts in the early 1900s. Besides the Art Deco room there was a room with built-in Wedgewood Blue Jasper details, including the mantelpiece. Maybe I'm jaded having grown up in Virginia surrounded by the homes of founding fathers and all that, but I found the duPont rooms the most interesting ones there.

But the Montpelier restoration project includes tearing down those additions, making the home look just like it did when James and Dolly Madison lived there.

Posted by: TBG | May 3, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Just saw this article about Press Freedom Day, Helen Thomas is in Ottawa today to discuss Press Freedom Day and comments on the current uproar in our government and some similarities between the Bush government style and the style of our current government.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/210071

Posted by: dmd | May 3, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Since Denver has a population of half a million and is a popular tourist destination, the Mile-High City Club doesn't strike me as a particularly eclusive organization. I'm scared to know if Stephen Hawking joined the Zero-Gee Club.

Remember, Achenbro lives in the greater Denver area, so manfood is probably being consumed.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 3, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

jack, I'm sorry he hear about your cousin's pneumonia. At least he's in the right place to get the best treatment for it.

Cassandra, I hope everything goes well for you at the hospital. My dr insists on X-raying me all the time, I don't know why. I'm in good health. I suspect that she's actually looking for a heart. Or a brain. Or some common sense. Or alien life (unlikely to be intelligent, based on its location).
Been going to that doc for 15 or so years now, I don't think she's seen any of those things. May have to use gravitational lensing or something.

mo, I'm sorry I missed you. [But then again, I could just drop you a line sideband, couldn't I?]

If you see me at that gig with Mudge and Scotty, I'll be the guy in the "Best Damn Garage in Town" hat, looking like he's happily gone a Few Tastings Too Far.

bc

Posted by: bc | May 3, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

From yello's link to today's Ken Burn's coverage:

Apparently, a Google search shows that Manuel Mirabal is Puerto Rican or of Puero Rican descent. According to Wiki, 53,000 Puerto Ricans served in WWII:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Ricans_in_World_War_II

Maggie Rivas-Rodriguez teaches at UT Austin and is a member of the U.S. Latino & Latina World War II Oral History Project Advisory Committee.

http://utopia.utexas.edu/explore/latino/about.html

Dr. Rivas-Rodriguez received her Ph.D. in Mass Communication from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. She earned her Masters of Journalism in 1977 from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and her Bachelors of Journalism in 1976 from the University of Texas at Austin. She joined the faculty of the UT School of Journalism in 1998.

Should Ken Burns change his program once it's already in the can, so to speak? Sacramento, Calif. is one of his four settings for his documentary. Should he have slipped a Mexican-American or Latin-America narrative into his project, from California? Or should he have told a Texas or southern border state Mestizo-American story? Should Burns' program be altered or should he or PBS tell a separate story? And the Hispanic Congressional Caucus is getting involved because taxpayer dollars have been used?

Just throwing out the questions, folks...

Posted by: Loomis | May 3, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Ans.: Using the trip as cover to visit his bro and take in some spring skiing and manfood. Thanks for the good vibes, everyone.

Martooni: One day at a time...congrats.

Posted by: jack | May 3, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

RD, there's never a shortage of "things to do in Denver" as you know. Joel probably won't have time, but "Cows on a Plane" is showing at the Bovine Metropolis Theater (!)

And then there's the special "Big Bugs" exhibit at the Botanic Gardens...

Denver is a happenin' place.

=======================

"Cows on a Plane"
"Cows On A Plane is an edgy sketch comedy that explores American society and culture through swift-paced original songs and chaotic, off-beat scenes.

When: Friday, May 4
8:00p Where: Bovine Metropolis Theatre
Denver

Denver Botanic Gardens
A 1,200-pound praying mantis, a 7-foot assassin bug and eight other enormous sculptures are just a few of the things featured in the "Big Bugs" exhibit; through June 24.

When: Saturday, May 5
9:00a Where: Denver Botanic Gardens
Denver

http://calendar.denverpost.com/?&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=eventcalendar&gclid=COrc9P2P8osCFQ5HVAod1yipUw

=====================

Posted by: kbertocci | May 3, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I have no doubt JA's consuming all kinds of manfood and drink and watching sports.

Sometimes, he writes.

bc

Posted by: bc | May 3, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Not going to be able to make the Wine Festival, but it sounds like a great idea. I had toyed with the idea of seeing the Madison house before they started the deconstruction/renovation, but now I think I will wait until it is complete so my vision of it is unclouded.

My wife is at the Baltimore Museum of Industry on Saturday and I hope to catch some glimpses of the Kinetic Sculpture Race. Links to this are in my blog post today:

http://livebythefoma.blogspot.com/2007/05/industry-visionary.html

Posted by: yellojkt | May 3, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

RD, your link (and the miracle of word association) instantly reminded me of George Peppard uttering that classic line: "I repeat, *killer* cockroaches!"

Posted by: byoolin | May 3, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I forgot all about the Achenbro connection.

Perhaps Denver should have been warned.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 3, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

oooh - right. "Damnation Alley." One of the underappreciated gems of dystopian cinema famous for its allegorical treatment of nuclear weapons.

And really big bugs.

Posted by: RD Paoduk | May 3, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Linda, I guess I can't really answer your questions until I see the film and find out how many other ethnic groups are profiled.

How man Greek-American narratives are in the film? How many Italian-Americans are interviewed? Are they identified as such?

Is there a segment on how American Jews fought or sacrificed?

If that's the way the film is broken down, then I agree it is wrong to have omitted the Latino participants.

Posted by: TBG | May 3, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Renovation and restoration is a tricky business. Sir Hugh Smithson (later Earl, then Duke of Northumberland through his marriage to Perce heiress and father of the out-of-wedlock James Smithson) introduced Gothic elements into Alnwick Castle in Northumberland and was roundly criticized at the time by his peers and wags. Yet the castle provides the backdrop these days for the Harry Potter films.

Art Deco at Montpelier? That sounds jarring and out of place historically, in my opinion--duPont or no duPont. And IIRC correctly, it's spelled Dolley--the conundrum I myself raised in Joel's Kit about the spelling of the sweet confections vs. Madison's wife.

In a way, this topic is relevant and humorous, given today's local coverage about our city council's attempt to take the muscle or power out of our own pesky historic review panel by downsizing it.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/citycouncil/stories/MYSA050307.01B.HDRC.33e76bc.html

Posted by: Loomis | May 3, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

byoolin,

Another classic film!

To set the scene, George Peppard has driven a very cool looking military all-terrain vehicles across the desert to Salt Lake City only to find that one insect guaranteed to survive a nuclear war. The full Damnation Alley quote is:

"This whole town is infested with killer cockroaches. I repeat: KILLER COCKROACHES!"

It still brings chills.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 3, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

martooni,

Congrats on getting Stella back on the road!

Posted by: Error Flynn | May 3, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

rd beat me to the trivia call out. I stand humbled.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 3, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Autumn Hill, got it, Raysmom. Thanks for the tip.

John Douglas Hall, got it, Loomis, I'll look for him.

Reharding the Burns WWII thing, I agree with TBG--I'd have to see the show first to have any kind of idea about whether Hispanics should have been included. But my initial gut feeling is, the Hispanics are starting to tick me off royally. I have a very great deal of respect for Burns, and you can't POSSIBLY watch his Civil War series OR his baseball series with its coverage of the famous Negro League and the rise of Jackie Robinson and those other players without knowing that Burns doesn't have a whiff of a breathe of racist thought in his body. And as for his artistic integrity, I'd say that was about as unimpeacable as it gets.

Anybody know when the Burns WWII thing is supposed to air?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | May 3, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I may not know much. But I knows my big bug movies.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 3, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Food for thought...

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060223/REPOSITORY/602230354/1031

So Burns, his co-producer Lynn Novick and crew set out to find people and towns transformed by the war. Sacramento, Calif.; Mobile, Ala.; Waterbury, Conn., and the small farming town of Luverne, Minn., became their canvases.
What he uncovered were dozens of stories of ordinary Americans -16-year-old farm boys, young men from well-off Alabama families, Japanese-Americans in Sacramento - acting in the most unordinary ways. Like Walter Ehlers pulling 12 Americans off the beach on D-Day, a feat that earned him the medal of honor. Or boys lying about their age to enlist early. "I'm sometimes stunned just by the bravery of ordinary people," Burns said.

Burns and his crew found 80 Americans to interview about their wartime experiences. Of those 80, 40 are in the final film.

Each town and city helps convey certain aspects of the conflict.

Sacramento was home to sizable Japanese-American and African-American populations, shedding light on the United States's internment of Japanese-Americans and the wartime service of African-Americans who were still denied basic civil rights at home. Waterbury shows east-coast struggles. Burns read a memoir by a Mobile veteran, which led him to the southern city. And Luverne brings to life the rural wartime experience.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070415/ENTERTAINMENT05/704150466


Q&A:

LLoyd [interviewer]: Months before it airs, "The War" has taken a beating from critics who claim it doesn't sufficiently represent the contributions of Hispanics during World War II. How do you respond? (After this interview was conducted, PBS announced it would amend the series to include Latino stories.)

Burns: I certainly understand their frustration. This is a group of people who have been marginalized in American history for hundreds and hundreds of years. I think it's just an unfortunate misunderstanding, because our film is not attempting to be comprehensive. If it was, they would have a legitimate bone to pick. But Hispanics were 1.4 percent of the population according to the 1940 Census. (Note: the U.S. Census did not separate Hispanics from Caucasians until 1970. The figures for 1940 were tabulated from 14 cities, counting individuals of "Spanish mother tongue," and then extrapolating to the rest of the population.) [some census data, huh?]

We've spent a lot of time in each of the towns. We weren't seeking any particular people, with the exception of Japanese-Americans and to a lesser extent African-Americans, both of whom had completely un-American experiences -- forced to fight in segregated regiments, and forced into internment camps and then later offered up as cannon fodder as frontline troops. So their experiences were so radically different. But we don't do lots of other groups. Most of them have much greater populations than Hispanics.

Posted by: Loomis | May 3, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

...Stella!...STELLA!...

Posted by: Curmudgeon | May 3, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

September. Part one already screened at Dartmouth.

Posted by: Loomis | May 3, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

And my comment last night about blood type was to suggest two things. First of all, there is an inescapably arbitrary aspect to racial identification. Why skin color and not blood type? Just because skin color is more salient doesn't make it more fundamental.

Also, although fixating on exactly what name to call yourself is good fun, in a pinch what is really important is that you understand your clotting agents.

(A-positive. Thanks for asking.)

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 3, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

rd,
Does the phrase "Phase IV" mean anything to you?

Posted by: yellojkt | May 3, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

As the Boodle's token French Canadian I take this opportunity to take mega-ombrage, on behalf of the Cajun of LA and the Francoamericans of everywhere else, of Mr. Burns' staggering omission of the important role of Cajuns and other Francoamericans in WWII.
hehehe

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | May 3, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Damnation Alley, whatever happened to Jan Michael Vincent?

And those groovy post-apocolyptic skies?

bc

Posted by: bc | May 3, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Phase IV was very cerebral, and a lot of fun. Smart Ants are cool, but Giant Ants are even cooler. Th classic Big Bug film "Them" still rules.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 3, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

The made-for-Showtime adaptation of "Sandkings" is excellent as well.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 3, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

JMV's IMDB entry is a string of movies I have never heard of. Sad to think his career peaked at "Airwolf".

Posted by: yellojkt | May 3, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Today's LAT has a front-page feature about the newspapers in WWII Japanese-American internment camps.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-internment3may03,0,5499431.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Posted by: LTL-CA | May 3, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Scotty and Mudge- I think I can pick you out if you're wearing Nats hats. I've seen BPH pics. If a short, blonde, 40 somethin' comes up to you and whispers, "Boodler?" you'll know it's me. My husband and I are still trying to work it out. We love the Norfolk wine festival, we go pretty much every year. My Costco carries the Prince Michael label and what a good wine for a great bargain.
Fortunately for me, my husband is a beer lover, so I get to do all the tasting and no driving.

Yellojkt - I really agree with you about the Ken Burns documentary. (at least I think I do....) It's easy to get tangled up trying make a point about such a topic.

Martooni and Cassandra - you are both inspirations to me.

Killer cockroaches - priceless.

Posted by: Kim | May 3, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

SD, since you are the "Boodle's token French Canadian", allow me to sing backup as the token demi-Franco-Ontarien et prenez aussi le mega-ombrage a tous les maudits Anglais.

Je suis fier d'etre un demi-Pepsi!!

(As I type this I am imagining an impressive number of furrowed brows.)

Posted by: byoolin | May 3, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Ha byolin! Or the furrow of an inpressive brow in my case.
This is the only hair that still grows on me.
Pepsi du monde, unissez-vous!

Posted by: Shrieking Denizen | May 3, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Loomis, that first Ken Burns link you posted was very good, but the second one, the Chritopher Lloyd interview with Burns, http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070415/ENTERTAINMENT05/704150466, was nothing short of excellent--and to me it answers every question I might have had on this issue. A few excerpts say it all:

"I [Burns] was originally going to do one town, and then that grew to four towns. I just go to these towns, let people know we were there, interview as many people as we could, find their personal archives, photographs and home movies, and merge that with the larger archive of the war. In the end, we talk to 40 people. Ten of them or more are cameos, 10 of them are tertiary characters, 10 are secondary characters, and literally less than 10 are primary characters that you see the war through their eyes, through their experiences." ...

"My God, if you were going to try to do a comprehensive thing, you'd end up with 1,400 hours, not 14 hours. For us it was a way of saying, 'We don't have to do every battle, we don't have to do every story, WE CAN DO A FEW REPRESENTATIVE STORIES [my caps, cuz I don't have italics] and you can get a sense of what it was like to be there on an intimate level.'" ...

And I believe this is the dispositive kicker: "And I went to PBS four years ago and said, "You know, what we need to do is do in a major fashion what we did with 'The Civil War' and 'Baseball' and 'Jazz' and ENCOURAGE LOCAL PRODUCTIONS [my caps, cuz I don't have italics]. It's just going to be this tsunami of intimate, personal stories." That's exactly what's happened. THERE'S OVER 100 FILMS IN PRODUCTION RIGHT NOW AT LOCAL LEVELS, AND ALL THE STATIONS ARE TELLING DIFFERENT STORIES. IT'S GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL AVALANCHE OF MATERIAL." [my caps again for emphasis.]

I am now officially royally p.o'ed at the Hispanic critics. Not that they or anyone else cares. But they are clearly out of line on this. Way out of line. Read the full interview to see how those four towns got picked. Not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty. Clearly, Burns WANTS all sort of local groups and organizations to be inspired to produce their own local stories; he'd WANT Hispanics --and Italian-Americans, and Scandinavian-Americans and german-Americans and Japense-Americans, and Greek-Americans, and every other damn group under the sun--to tell their own mini-versions.

C'mon, Loomis, you have opinions on efverything else. What do you think? Who do you think is right?

Oh, and speaking of umbrage, Robert Novak in his own sneaky way is going out of his way (IMHO) to link Mitt Romney to the Mountain Meadow Massacre of 1857. What a sick, mean-spirited column. Makes me want to vote for Romney just to spite Novak. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/02/AR2007050202010.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Posted by: Curmudgeon | May 3, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

A-positive.

I'm pleased to have gotten that discussion rolling last night. Or maybe it was Joel who did it. I'll take credit, he can take blame.

Rupert Murdoch should found his own university, so that people can get T-shirts proclaiming their affection for FOX U.

Posted by: ScienceTim | May 3, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

>to link Mitt Romney to the Mountain Meadow Massacre of 1857

I saw that on the PBS show "The Mormons" the other day. Yikes. What was really weird was watching women defend plural marriage based on the group's "purity of longing for their own way" or some such.

Posted by: Error Flynn | May 3, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Ah yes, 'The Sandkings', based on the short story 'Sandkings' by George R. R. Martin, first published in Omni Magazine August, 1979. It was this story that prompted me to order my subscription to the magazine. The first magazine I ever subscribed to with my own money. I cannot recommend this story highly enough.

Posted by: omni | May 3, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

SD, I'm glad you brought L'affaire Doan up. I thought it linked in well with the discussions yesterday about identity.

The accusation that Doan called a ref a "Fording Frenchman" is apparently the subject of a defamation lawsuit brought by Doan.

The other statement that is agreed to have been made is that Doan complained to a team-mate ["Cuje"] about a call: "Four French referees in Montreal, Cuje, figure it out."

More about the story here for anyone interested.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/05/02/doan-captain.html

In other Canadian news, the Stanley Cup has recently traveled to Afghanistan, along with some retired NHLers, in a ceremony that is the modern day equivalent of parading the bones of Saint So-and-So before the troops in the Middle Ages.

This is what passes for news in Canada. We like to live up to our stereotype.

Posted by: SonofCarl | May 3, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

SoC as someone who served, do you feel this type of stunt, mixed with the ball hockey game between the troops and former NHLer's was helpful? The cup has gone just about everywhere else it might as well go to a war zone.

Posted by: dmd | May 3, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

That brings us back to excellent magazines. I also originally read "Sandkings" in Omni.

Omni was the Wired of its day, a great cutting edge science-oriented glossy magazine. It was published by Bob Guccione and my circle of friends noticed that the style and design of the magazine was a total knock-off of Penthouse, just not smutty.

In it's later years, Omni delved heavily into the new age pseudo-science, but in its glory days, it was a must-read for a nerd of any ranking.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 3, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I think I speak for hockey players everywhere when I say that if we can't say rotten things about the referees, then at the very least we should be able to shoot pucks at them.

It's why we never swear at the goalies.

Posted by: byoolin | May 3, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

New Kit!

I've always wanted to say that.

Posted by: RD Padouk | May 3, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Summary of Hockey night in Kandahar,

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/210080

Posted by: dmd | May 3, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"Four French referees in Montreal, figure it out" seems pretty tame. He made the logical connection that a French-speaking referee's bias (if any) would likely be toward Montreal. Since being French-speaking is a readily-discernable trait (as opposed to knowing that someone grew up in Pittsburgh, for example), my reaction to this is "big whoop." "Fording Frenchman," was way over the line, though.

Posted by: Raysmom | May 3, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Jan Michael Vincent?
Here is my intel: JMV hails from Hanford, CA, home also to the first Mrs. Kevin Costner. Cindy Rocha? Alves? de Souza? I can't recall her maiden name, but some very cool Azores handle which makes her Hispanic of a sort.

JMV's family is of the Dutch dairy families, in that area since about the 1920s.

I saw him at a bar in the early 1980s, in Visalia, CA: He looked sun-baked, whiskey-pickled, and missing a few brain cells. His hair was long and feathered in a Farah-Fawcett homage.

Last I heard, he was living on his family spread but not milking too many cows by hand. This would be about 1999.

Posted by: College Parkian | May 3, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Also in case anyone would like to know, I would also like to point out that saying "Repeat - killer cockroaches" is poor military voice procedure. "Repeat" is a controlled word only used to request a repetition of a fire mission.

Speaking of voice procedure, I offer a moment of heresy. I submit to you that the contribution of the Navajo Codetalkers is somewhat overblown, and is a star example of the honoring of the contribution of a certain ethnic group taking on a mythological status.

My understanding is that the Codetalkers used Navajo words in substitution for certain things. So for example, the Navajo word for 'bird' was used to mean "airplane'. In cryptology, this is the lowest level of code and the direct equivalent of saying "you-know-who" instead of "Santa". Substitution codes work on a local level because the other side intercepting the communication doesn't usually have the facilities to take advantage of anything but messages sent "in clear" (ie uncoded). At the higher levels, much more effort goes into encrypting messages.

History buffs may recall that because the Japanese used the same codename for Midway Island for too long, it was able to be determined that the Japanese fleet's target was that island, leading to a significant advantage.

My point isn't that the Codetalkers' contribution was useless, or even unimportant, but I think it does a dis-service to everyone else in the US war effort in the Pacific to claim that the Codetalkers were "critical" to success.

I stand to be corrected.

Posted by: SonofCarl | May 3, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Error, I am marking that date on the calendar. I think we get that channel.

*.Tims, but then we would have spawn of Murdoch. Eww.

I'm having a really hard time seeing how all this quantifying and denoting and labeling of groups helps solve racial issues and tensions. The aim might be good, but it just seems to me a divisive thing.

Posted by: dr | May 3, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

dmd, I jest about the Cup, but that kind of thing is appreciated. The only thing that isn't is the sometimes perpetual parade of VIPs, since each time they come over they create work.

Posted by: SonofCarl | May 3, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

*holding mirror under boodle's nose*

Posted by: Raysmom | May 3, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

New kit. Duh!

Posted by: Raysmom | May 3, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

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