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Back to the Garden: Woodstock Meets Wolf Trap

[My story in today's newspaper. I'll post annotations as soon as I recover from 650 miles of driving on the Jersey Turnpike etc.]

BETHEL, N.Y. -- It rises from the hilltop, bigger than a barn, built of stone and roofed in copper. Officially it will be the Museum at Bethel Woods, and it will be focused on the Woodstock festival, the "three days of peace and music" that took place here in August 1969. But the museum has been tagged by critics with a different name: the Hippie Museum.

"This is the farthest thing from a hippie museum that anything could be," declared Harold Russell, a dairy farmer who is the town supervisor -- and a reelection-seeking Republican -- in Bethel. "I personally take a little offense to that."

In this rural area, the project is seen as crucial to the economic recovery of a region hammered by the closing of once-popular Borscht Belt tourist resorts.

But the museum has become a magnet for criticism. A $1 million congressional earmark -- pushed by Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D), with fellow New Yorker, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D), signing on -- generated a squabble on Capitol Hill, and Republicans, led by Sen. Tom Coburn (Okla.), killed the measure with the help of a handful of Democrats.

A campaign ad for Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) unveiled this week is a send-up of Clinton for supporting the museum earmark in a congressional spending bill. The spot opens with a spinning tie-dye image and shows footage of a dancing, presumably zonked-to-the-gills flower child at Woodstock. McCain is seen at a Republican presidential debate, saying, "A few days ago, Senator Clinton tried to spend $1 million on the Woodstock concert museum. Now, my friends, I wasn't there. I'm sure it was a cultural and pharmaceutical event. I was tied up at the time." Cut to footage of McCain as a prisoner of war in Hanoi.

McCain (who missed the vote on the earmark) got a big laugh and a standing ovation from the crowd and his fellow Republicans. But if his zinger played well on the trail, it hasn't here in Bethel.

"It's definitely not a celebration of hippiedom," said Darrell Supak, a former Army colonel who was wearing a blue pinstripe suit and polished burgundy shoes as he greeted a visitor at the entrance to the museum. Supak is the right-hand man of billionaire Alan Gerry, whose foundation runs the Bethel Woods Center for the Arts. "It's definitely not a hippie museum," he said.

The museum is not finished, and officials with the arts center, which includes the museum, would not permit a tour of the exhibit space. But Mike Egan, the Gerry Foundation executive who has spent more than two years putting the museum together, provided a detailed briefing complete with computer graphics and a blueprint.

A visitor entering the permanent exhibit will learn about the broader historical context of Woodstock -- the baby boom, the Cold War, the roots of rock-and-roll, the civil rights movement, the assassinations and riots of the 1960s, and so on. Inevitably, the visitor will come upon a section labeled on the blueprint as "the Hippies."

"We talk about the hippies, we talk about the look of the hippies, we talk about the drug use of some of the hippies, and we talk about the burnout," Egan said.

It will be possible to go inside a school bus modeled on the one used on cross-country treks by author Ken Kesey and his band of "Merry Pranksters," whose antics were documented by Tom Wolfe in "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test."

Music and videos will be everywhere. The central area will be devoted to the festival proper, and visitors can sit partially surrounded by a video screen that will create the illusion that they are at the concert watching the performances.

The plans call for a final stop dubbed "Woodstock Becomes Mainstream." Beyond that is a large section on the blueprint that is blank but for a single word: "Retail."

You could call it a hippie museum with a haircut. It demonstrates more than anything else the American capacity to turn even the most unruly and chaotic moments in our history into something orderly, manageable and culminating in a gift shop.

concert pavilion, amphitheater and cavernous new reception hall adjacent to the museum, feels a lot like Wolf Trap in the Washington suburbs. It's a place where you could attend a performance and sip some white wine, but couldn't light up a cigarette -- or anything else.

The museum is not designed to bring on the revolution. What it can do, supporters say, is bring people and revenue to rural Sullivan County, about 100 miles north of New York City.

Former town supervisor Allan Scott says Bethel has wrestled with its Woodstock legacy. In years past, pilgrims would come to the area and hold all-night concerts without approval from local authorities.

"It was so important for us to get control of this thing for the benefit of our economy," Scott said as he drove along Filippini Pond, famous for Woodstock skinny-dipping.

Sullivan County was more prosperous in the days when "the Catskills," as this area is called (the actual mountains are a bit to the north), offered an alluring vacation destination for city folks from around the Northeast and the Mid-Atlantic. They would go to tony hotels such as Grossinger's, just up the road. But the Catskills went out of fashion as the moneyed East Coast set switched to jet travel and more glamorous vacations.

"It was like falling off the edge of the world. It was terrible," Scott said.

The name Woodstock has generated geographical confusion for 38 years. In 1969, the promoters of the Woodstock Music and Art Fair failed to get a site, as they'd hoped, in the vicinity of Woodstock, N.Y., about an hour's drive from Bethel. Eventually, they persuaded Max Yasgur, a dairy farmer in Bethel, to allow the concert to take place on his alfalfa field. What ensued became one of the signature chapters of the 1960s: a mass migration of young people, as many as 500,000.

They camped in the fields throughout the area and bathed in the lakes and streams. For three days and nights, they listened to Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Santana, the Who, Creedence Clearwater Revival, the Band, Sly & the Family Stone, the Grateful Dead (cut from the famous movie and album because of technical problems) and many others.

But Bethel never became a brand name. As Woodstock hardened into legend, many of the economic reverberations were felt far away, in the town of the same name.

Enter Alan Gerry, local boy made good. A high school dropout and former TV repairman, Gerry (who via a spokeswoman declined to speak for this article) started a cable TV company and became a billionaire when he sold his business to Time Warner. This year, he was No. 297 on Forbes's list of the richest Americans. In 1996 he formed the Gerry Foundation, and it began buying up about 2,000 acres of land in Bethel, including the Woodstock site. Last year, the Bethel Woods Center for the Arts opened its gates.

This summer, the arts center held a concert called "Hippiefest," the promotional material for which ("gather your groovy beads and we'll see you on the lawn for a trip down memory lane") was read into the Congressional Record by Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) as he spoke against the museum earmark.

Gerry and his family contributed $20,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, headed by Schumer, and $9,200 to Clinton's presidential campaign after the earmark was inserted into legislation.

Coburn, the Republican who led the effort to block the earmark, said in an interview that he doesn't object to the museum. In 1969, he said, he was a junior in college and, though not a hippie, was very much part of that generation: "If you saw pictures, you'd laugh. . . . I was a mophead." Coburn said his complaint is that earmarks, special spending for pet projects, are the "gateway drug" to congressional overspending.

Phil Singer, a spokesman for Clinton's presidential campaign, said the arts center is an "economic development" opportunity for Upstate New York, and he slammed McCain's criticism.

"Senator McCain should focus more on explaining to New Hampshire voters why he supported the fiscally irresponsible Bush policies that squandered a federal surplus and left us with the largest deficit in American history," Singer wrote in an e-mail. "As President, Senator Clinton will reverse those policies and restore the nation to fiscal responsibility."

Schumer told his Senate colleagues that the state of New York has put $15 million into the arts center and that the Gerry Foundation has paid for the bulk of the rest of the $100 million project. In a committee hearing on the earmark, Schumer said: "It was a tumultuous decade, and it is a good idea to study it. Museums and libraries are a very important part of our history and education, as well as a job magnet."

But a tourist magnet? That remains a marketing challenge. The Woodstock name is trademarked.

"There is debate about whether it should be called Woodstock," said Supak, the former colonel. "I don't think it's necessary. I think you can do just about anything with marketing and branding."

By Joel Achenbach  |  October 27, 2007; 9:17 AM ET
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Posted by: frostbitten | October 27, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Note to self from end of last to Son of Carl about the Templar story and the curse of Friday the 13th, not to mention the family curse (AND family motto). Loomispouse is cooking breakfast, to be ready in moments. Must go.

Posted by: Loomis | October 27, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I had hoped a lasting legacy of the sixties would be the willingness of people to question authourity. The last seven years have put paid to that notion. I'm left with the thought, a frightened people can do hideous things.

Posted by: Boko999 | October 27, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

This kit reminds me of the discussion re: See's book review and assessment of men of Hunter Thompson's era as macho and Hemingwayesque. I hope the museum/arts center does well, both financially and in its scholarship. The view of what Woodstock and hippies meant to America depends a great deal on where you sit, or sat then. I for one could stand to learn more.

My own introduction to Woodstock was through my uncle who had the album. He was recently returned from Vietnam and before Woodstock was indoctrinating Frostsis #1 and I in jazz, blues and the entire Lomax catalogue. Frostdaddy was in Vietnam so Uncle Frostbitten was the subject of our adoration, even though he called us "lifer brats." For me the music will always be the soundtrack of the summer he taught me to play cribbage, with no mercy, so I knew if I won he hadn't thrown the game.

Hippies? In my more frustrated moments as mayor and nonprofit manager, I think of them only as those people who moved up here to grow and smoke as much dope as they could and to "live off the land" in geodesic domes they built themselves. Some of their children and grandchildren are still here, and the result has not been pretty. I guess it is a lot easier to be the "true" hippie of peace, love, and serious examination of philosophy and rejection of the negatives of America's middle class if you know how to read and see a dentist before you join the movement.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 27, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

Only time for a drive-by boodle, and I didn't read Joel's piece carefully.

Still, it seems to me that the Woodstock museum is a good idea, and should be inexpensive to fund.

After all, aren't they simply making money by showing a warehouse full of FBI evidence? If not, then they shoud.


Posted by: bc | October 27, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Hippies didn't organize or run Woodstock, the people who played the music weren't hippies nor were most of the attendees.
I would catergorize them as 'Youts' or 'Perps.'

Posted by: Boko999 | October 27, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

There's a Loomis family motto? Who would have guessed. I'll put my money on it being, "Do You Think We're Related?" As for the family curse...the mind boggles.

11 a.m. and the errands have been run: the landfill, Safeway for the drycleaning, breakfast at Chick-Fil-A drive-thru window, bodyguarding my wife while she shows a house, then Lowe's for various odds and ends including a 2x12x8, a turkey cooking pan, a 5x7 area rug, and a small container of spackle. Thus the banalities of life. Now to try to avoid the inevitable honey-do list. (Hey, maybe she'll go show another house! then I could sneak in a nap.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 27, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Sad news just received via e-mail. Dino's in downtown St. Pete has been sold and will close on the 31st. Dinos is a great venue for live Jazz and Blues, and their free Wi-Fi was available 24-7 and useable from the nearby Starbucks and Atlanta Bread Co.

Dino's is being replaced with a "vintage martini bar." Yuck.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 27, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I guess my 10:20 and 11:10 comments are evidence the Jesuits are right.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 27, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Uh, what's a "yout?" Or is it like in "My Cousin Vinnie, as in "troubled yutes?"

In any case, as suggested in the unfamous "death of Hippie" funeral parade in San Francisco, fall of '67, serving as a thumbing of the nose towards establishment media of the time, "hippie" was a term rarely if ever employed by those described as such by the hostile, except in terms of a differently-slanted derision. "Freaks" more-or-less won out as the self-descriptive term. For several reasons: science fiction of the time had many stories of mutants, and usually they were misunderstood, persecuted outcasts. And usually in those stories, (just like the X-Men, which began in those days), the mutants are somewhat superior.

I remember derision towards "beatniks" at the time, and I remember Maynard G. Krebs, but I think the "freaks" got the most contempt of all. I suspect it was all the demonstrating going on, and although the freaks were not a huge clearly-identifiable fraction of civil rights marching, their sympathies were 100% with the struggle, and those hostile to civil rights knew this. And of course it was the anti-war protesting that really garnered the ire of the military-industrial-complex and their media stooges.

So the slander continues to this day; the stereotypes become more and more cartoonish, until the truth of what went on in the minds of those young people has all been censored, brushed away, ignored, and corrupted.

Posted by: Jumper | October 27, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

It ain't "youts"? Sorry, my copy of "My Cousin Vinnie" doesn't have english subtitles.

Posted by: Boko999 | October 27, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, friends. Just got a chance to pop in.

I've received the air freshners, but don't know who to thank? Thank you very much. At the moment I am using them. The g-girl put sausage in the microwave, and it stayed to long, smoke everywhere. In everything. I am, oh, so, grateful this morning for your kindness.

I read the kit, and I think it's a great idea. I don't see the need of getting hung up on the word "hippie", it seems the time was more important, and keeping that as the focus should hold the interest of the masses. Sometimes I think we need another Woodstock, minus the drugs, but then it might resemble Congress without that ingredient. It almost laughable that Congress is involved in something pertaining to Woodstock.

It is cold here. Cloudy, foggy, gray, and cold. And people attending a Seaboard Festival downtown.

Two cases of staph here in the school system. Can someone enlighten me on this bug? I'm getting a bit nervous.

Mudge, I hope you get the nap. I'm getting ready to do the same.

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Cassandra S | October 27, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Boodle advice please.

I bought 4, individually sealed, sirloiin tip steaks in a package. After cutting one out for dinner last night I forgot to return the rest to the freezer so they've been thawed for 12 hours.
My question: Can I refreeze the other steaks or am I having steak tonight?

Posted by: Boko999 | October 27, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Did they thaw in the refrigerator or did you leave them out on the counter? If you left them out on the counter, probably a good idea to throw them away? If in the refrigerator, I'm not sure about re-freezing meats. Maybe there's someone here with a little bit more experience in that department?

Posted by: Cassandra S | October 27, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Boko-this is not what you would get from anyone who does not consider raw hamburger a treat worth risking, but I say go ahead and freeze them if they've been in the refrigerator the whole time. (disclaimer-I do eat raw hamburger and from streetside food stands in "iffy" countries. Best goat I ever had was cooked outside at a Jordanian truck stop.)

Posted by: frostbitten | October 27, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

To the person that sent me the air freshners, please don't be upset because I cannot remember. It is not a spite thing or a meaness thing, it's just age and dealing with a four-year old.

She's with her mother today. I went to McDonalds this morning, had a cup of coffee, and enjoyed the solitude. I love my granddaugher and my grandsons, but I am an old person, and I get tired easily.

Posted by: Cassandra S | October 27, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"Utes." Troubled Utes.

"The Chrysalids" by John Wyndham
was a good example of the mutant-as-protagonist, and also Theodore Stugeon's More Than Human

While not mutants, "The People" of Zenna Henderson's wonderful stories
were persecuted psychics who had to live in out-of-the-way communities to survive.

The theme is eternal of course. "When a true genius appears in this world," Jonathan Swift once wrote, "you may know him by the sign that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Posted by: Jumper | October 27, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Re: the steaks, I would make chili NOW, after dicing the meat. And freeze the chili for later if necessary. Twice frozen does not improve a steak, and this happened to me recently, and it was hotter here, and I survived with no stomach aches and the chili was fine.

Posted by: Jumper | October 27, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Thanks ladies.
They were left on a chair overnight and all this morning. I think I'll risk refreezing them. As the song says, The meat I eat for dinner.
Must be hung up for a week.

It's only been 12 hours or so, they're in vacuum packs, and look how vigourous Mick and Keith are.

Posted by: Boko999 | October 27, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"Youts" or "yout's" is obviously a regional contraction of the word "youths".

The Utes (/juːts/; "yoots") are an ethnically related group of American Indians now living primarily in Utah and Colorado.

You may poo poo my feeble attempts at spelling but do you really want to mess with members of the American Indian Movement? I'm sure sure they would object to your comparing a noble tribe with juvenile delinquents.

Posted by: Boko999 | October 27, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

SCC. "to" not "with".
Preposition trouble.

Posted by: Daffy999 | October 27, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Note to self: don't accept Boko's steak-dinner invitation.

Posted by: Yoki | October 27, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

On a chair overnight? I'd go with the chili suggestion, or use them to make shredded beef for tamales or enchiladas, with freezing after cooking. Not so much for fear of illness, but refreezing from that state will not help the texture.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 27, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha, Yoki!

Good tune to start a Saturday, and hark back to the days of the hippies, Boko. I agree, Jumper, "freaks" was a more common term amongst the long-haired, rebellious "yutes" of the time.

Live With Me
(M. Jagger/K. Richards)
I got nasty habits, I take tea at three
Yes, and the meat I eat for dinner
Must be hung up for a week
My best friend, he shoots water rats
And feeds them to his geese
Don'cha think there's a place for you
In between the sheets?
Come on now, honey
We can build a home for three
Come on now, honey
Don't you wanna live with me?
And there's a score of harebrained children
They're all locked in the nursery
They got earphone heads they got dirty necks
They're so 20th century
Well they queue up for the bathroom
Round about 7:35
Don'cha think we need a woman's touch to make it come alive?
You'd look good pram pushing
Down the high street
Come on now, honey
Don't you wanna live with me?
Whoa, the servants they're so helpful, dear
The cook she is a w***e
Yes, the butler has a place for her
Behind the pantry door
The maid, she's French, she's got no sense
She's wild for Crazy Horse
And when she strips, the chauffeur flips
The footman's eyes get crossed
Don'cha think there's a place for us
Right across the street
Don'cha think there's a place for you,
In between the sheets?

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 27, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Since the Boodlebot won't let us fix our own mistakes, no misspellings will be counted against your final score. Anything that reminds me of "My Cousin Vinnie" makes me feel better.

Posted by: Yumper | October 27, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Just a quick note from by baby sister's computer out here in the beautiful Pacific Northwest. Loved the kit, but it reinforces the notion that I am clearly not a baby boomer. To me "Woodstock" means a little yellow bird.

mostlylurking, I would love to take credit for bringing the sun, but I fear I have not yet reached that level of influence. Still, I will take it. Few things are as glorious as a sunny fall day in the Pacific Northwest.

Had a productive day Thursday takin' care of some business. Since then I've been assisting my sibs by reducing their surplus supplies of food and wine. I'm helpful that way.

Made the mistake of calling back home to see how the dependents are doing. Nothing enhances a trip like a little guilt.

Anway, maternal unit and various other sundry relatives on the way over soon. We will go outside and play a rousing game of croquet with the many neices and nephews for whom I am nothng but an eccentric stranger.

Gosh I hope the wildfires in California get under control. What a scary place to live. He says while gazing at the looming shape of Mt. Rainier.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 27, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Boy, the counter-culture was sexist.
Ya think that's what all the nattering was about?

Posted by: Boko999 | October 27, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Well, yeah, Boko, especially when you read the lyrics instead of trying to figure out what in the heck they were singing. The Stones were shocking, dirty, sexist - but they did it with a satiric smile and they rocked. And that was the reality, after all - "modern" feminism didn't hit its stride till the '70s, really. You think that one's bad, listen to Under My Thumb. But with Satisfaction, Get Off My Cloud, 19th Nervous Breakdown, they were railing against the self-deluded, self-medicating upper classes, the corporate interests, the sexual repression of the day.

*Grover waves south to RD*

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 27, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Ok. Thanks. I'll cut them into strips and wok the heck out of them.

Posted by: Boko999 | October 27, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

RD... thanks for the great report. Sounds like you're having a good time. Tell your extended family the Boodle says 'hi.' That should put to rest any ideas they may have regarding your eccentricity.


Posted by: TBG | October 27, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I think it's pretty evident I'm a Stones fan. Seen 'em 7 times, Sticky Fingers boxers, a record or twenty.

Feminism in the 70's. In '76 I was living with a sociology student from Brooklyn.
"Why Not?" indeed.

Posted by: Boko999 | October 27, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

boko-cut into strips and marinate in the following:
1/2 cup soy sauce
1 tablespoon sesame oil
1 tablespoon sweet rice wine
1 tablespoon sesame seed
2-3 cloves garlic minced very fine, more if you love garlic
1-2 1 inch cubes of fresh ginger minced and mashed
3 tablespoons granulated sugar, brown sugar, or honey
5 green onions, sliced (stems and all)

If this doesn't yield enough juice to cover the meat in a bowl, put it in a zip lock bag in the fridge and turn frequently.

Drain the meat, reserving the marinade. Wok the heck out of the meat, quickly, then add the marinade allowing it to come to a boil and carmelize and become sauce for the meat.

This will yield the Chez Frostbitten version of Korean Bulgogi. Powdered garlic and ginger may be substituted for the fresh-about a tablespoon of the garlic and half a teaspoon of the ginger. If you like a little heat add some ground red pepper or red pepper flakes.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 27, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"Sometimes you think you're a member of the British Aristocracy.
Sometimes you think you're god."

Posted by: WhoamIandwhattheheckamItalkingabout?999 | October 27, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

On a musical note, from the NYT review of Oliver Sacks' latest book.

"His new collection starts quite literally with a bolt from the blue, when a 42-year-old surgeon, Tony Cicoria, was struck by lightning in 1994. Cicoria's heart apparently stopped, but he was resuscitated, and a few weeks later he was back at work. Everything seemed normal until this fan of rock music was suddenly seized by a craving for classical piano music. He bought recordings, acquired a piano and began to teach himself to play. Then his head began to be flooded with music that seemed to come, unstoppably, from nowhere. Within three months of his electrocution, Cicoria had little time for anything other than playing and composing."

Read the rest here:

Posted by: frostbitten | October 27, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The New York Times home page Sports has the Giants playing the Forty Niners. Hope the Niners do beter this week.

Posted by: bh | October 27, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to go to Woodstock, but I had a dentist appointment.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 27, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article, frostbitten.

As a woman, I was defending (rationalizing, maybe) my love of the Stones' music (through Exiles on Main Street, anyway). I was 12 in 1964, so their music was a big influence on me - and it was shocking, just as a man and woman living together without being married was shocking then. They reflected, maybe influenced to some extent, the changes in society. And maybe not always for the better, on reflection, but I'd argue that for the most part, we're better off now. Which is why we in the States still get this all tangled up in politics, which seems ridiculous to me.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 27, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Ouch, Maggie-snorted a cashew over your 2:13.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 27, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Snorting cashews - danged hippie boomers.

My sister in law went to Woodstock. Still has three tickets, two of them still consecutive, all untorn. We suspected such memorabilia might be valuable but E-bay has put that notion to rest for now.

I have expected the women here to take some issue with the assertion that the '60s (the "hippies") were non-chauvinistic. I am not so sure. But I ain't gonna fight that battle, today anyway. Margaret Atwood had some thoughts on that, but she's not here.

Posted by: Jumper | October 27, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Cheeseless pizza soon. Report to follow. (yawn)

Posted by: Jumper | October 27, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Where was that assertion, Jumper? Or was it something I said? Not what I meant, if that's where you got it.

Later, y'all.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 27, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

It was a casual remark by Curmudgeon a day or two ago. Then Joel did this kit.

Posted by: Jumper | October 27, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"Many of Thompson's antics took place during an era that was rapidly changing--and all the macho stuff See was describing was dying quickly. There wasn't anything "macho" about the hippies, druggies and peaceniks of the late 60s and 70s." - Curmudgeon

That was to what I referred. He said "macho" not "chauvinistic." So I guess I erred. Or did I?

Posted by: Jumper | October 27, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Boko, critical question was were they warm when you found them this morning? If so, having had food poisoning, I wouldn't chance it. If they were refrigerator-cool, cook 'em now.

Posted by: dbG | October 27, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Maggie, you are funny! I wanted to go to Woodstock but I had a 3-week old at home and the hubby thought I was nuts for even wishing to be there. I still mourn Janis!

T.C. Boyle's "Drop City" is a good read on the so called hippie movement. As I remember the book there was a lot of male chauvinism and I'm sure there was in real life also.

Gotta go do some chores so we can meet up with granddaugters and go see their Auntie play the Bride of Frankenstein at a local haunted house. Should be fun.

Good choice on the meat dilemma Boko. You don't want to risk a nasty case of food poisoning.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 27, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Frosti, I am dense but in what way are the Jesuits right regarding

geodosic denizens needing dentisty AND
closure of another last great place for real music.

Sorry for you on that venue closing. BC, Chick Hall's is in its death throes this month.

I planted a few things in between the rain: Achillea "Paprika" to push up in between the purple things. Red and purple clash in that higglety pigglety way, so more of that, please

Up in the night standing duty at the sump pump stations....tired but way happy for the rain.

Here is my on-kit comment: "zonked-to-the-gills flower child" makes me think of gilly-flowers, the very old name for carnation pinks.

Greetings to all.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 27, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

CP-the connection was Frost Uncle's tutelage in the superiority of Jazz and Blues to things like Honey, Honey by the Archies (really Tommy Roe)and my lifelong preference for that type of music over disco, punk, metal, rap, hip-hop or anything to have gained popularity since.

Not that I can't remember the lyrics to every Top-40 AM song from about '65-'75. I just knew they were mostly junk.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 27, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

CP- I meant a musical version of "Give me a child until she's five..." or some such.

My impatiens finally bit the dust in last night's hard frost. Now we need cold, and lots of it.

Spearing season, where people lie on the ice in dark houses and spear fish, starts the first weekend in December and we don't even have a fringe of ice on the edge of the lakes. Spearing opener is a major week for our local economy and inn keepers report cancellations coming in like crazy.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 27, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I wrote a long bit about the chauvinism of the politico/hippie/freaks of the Woodstock Generation, but it got lost somewhere between my computer and

Those men were so awful. The editor of my college newspaper called women 'young, nubile chickies' IN PRINT!

The SDS types were macho to the extreme. Women were good for copying, typing, arranging, but not for strategy or speechifying.

In fact, the modern Feminism was begun, in part, because of the inequality being practiced by the Movement.

Has anyone read Marge Piercy's novel, Small Changes? It's a pretty accurate snapshot of the period.

(GO, Sox, Go!)

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 27, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

It was a tumultuous decade and it should be studied but not by the people who lived it. It becomes navel gazing without the benefit of time. Sometimes I wonder if three hundred years from now this period in western history will be known principally for how self-involved we were.

Posted by: dr | October 27, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Frosty, never fear. It's coming. It snowed lightly here yesterday, and though most of it has gone, what snow there was in my yard will stay. So for me its the beginning of winter. There is a distinct arctic chill in the air and we had some wind that was downright long john nasty. It's coming, its just being a little sluggish.

Posted by: dr | October 27, 2007 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Repost from last boodle:

Great article on Bethel Woods Museum. They are just trying to jump on the summer pavilion tour circuit and have an attached center to get people to stop by on non-show nights. Red Rocks in Denver does the same thing. It's a tourist site in its own right.

The Hippie Museum link is GOP mudsling genius because it links two issues in the voter's mind, drug use and frivolous spending. Look for lots of campaign material featuring Hillary in those striped pants and giant owl goggle glasses.

The Republican Dirty Tricks squad always fines a subliminal hook to tar their opponents with, Al the Liar, Kerry the French Flip Flopper, and now Hillary the Hippie. I don't agree with the characterization, but the brilliance of the scheme is that I don't have to. As long as it resonates with a small segment it will be amplified until it becomes the defining image.

I reserve the right to expand and illustrate on my own blog in defiance of Rule 6.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 27, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Band competition report:

The most unique (yes I know that is meaningless) show of the competition was the school that did their entire bit to a physics theme. The first movement was Particles. The dancers had these plus sign shaped props with balls on each end. They danced around and formed bigger particles.

The second movement was Light. For the first section they ran around waving white flags that they then unfurled into nine colors in the full ROYGBIV spectrum.

The third movement was Magentism. Each flag had a plus on one side and a minus on the other. A plus and a minus would run into each other and two flags of the same sign would avoid each other. Then they simulated alternating current by standing in a row and rapidly switching their flags back and forth.

The final part was Kinetic Energy. The band started in an orderly pattern, but then kept moving into increasingly chaotic patterns as if trying to simulate brownian motion.

While not as ambitious as the school that did a full baseball game complete with an infield, home and visitor dugouts, and a peanut vendor, the Physics number was the most unusual.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 27, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

boko, you left them on a chair overnight and this morning. I don't really care for beef,although I eat a steak sometimes, rarely. I hope you don't get sick eating that. Of course, when I was growing up, we hung meat in a little room on the back porch, after it had been salted, and I'm still here. Probably won't harm you.

Good to hear from you, RD.

Turning in, grandma tired and sleepy. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. Good night, boodle. It turn out to be a lovely day here, sun and all.

Posted by: Cassandra S | October 27, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Given what else you could get from a steak, my only advice is well-done, not rare, and wash the meat before cooking.

Frostbitten's marinade sounds good. You could also add a touch of vinegar or lemon juice to that, changing the pH should bewilder any bacteria on it.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 27, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Strange travel suggestions indeed. Went for the pizza. The restaurant is under new name and management. A placard on the bar explains that their noncompete agreement injuncted them from serving pizza. Calzones exempted. Hmm. I mentally sneered at their kowtowing before vague lawyerly threats. Afraid to serve pizza. Hmmph. So I left. Up the street to the Dicemos place. And ordered two large cheese-free pizzas of various construction. He nearly panicked over the "no cheese," but I talked him down. Now I had 25 minutes to kill, and Dicemos has no beer; strictly takeout. So back I went to the art zone, walked into a bar I had never been in, and got snubbed by the waitstaff. No eye contact, backs turning away in the microsecond I could maybe gesture for service. So I got up and stood straight up on my barstool and waited. Soon the barkeep simply could not avoid looking, and I indicated I would like his attention. Seated, I asked in a friendly manner for a beer, and he offered me one gratis in way of apology. I struck up a conversation with some fellows in the next seats and they laughed about the injuncted nonpizza restaurant across the street. They said you had to describe what you wanted but not use the word "pizza" when you ordered. So I asked if I had ordered "unfolded calzones" if they would have brought me pizza. They said, indeed they would have. So I tipped, paid, and went back to Dicemos and came home and had cheeseless pizza. And it's fine.

Posted by: Jumper | October 27, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey, everybody. I'm home and glad to be here.

dr, you are so right about the baby boomers navelgazing the era they came of age. No necessary to hear anything they have to say about it. I graduated from college in '75 so I'm qualified to make that judgment.

frosti, I never liked to listen to the radio, so my knowledge of pop culture, especially of the '65-'75 years is confined to what played in the university cafeteria. I seem to recall that Roberta Flack's Killing Me Softly was a favorite.

yello, did the band that did the physics routine win anything?

The Fire Station Design and Construction conference went well, although we wish more people had attended. My partner and I thought we'd have to drag out principles of fire station location but we ended up rushing to get through on time.

We had the conference at the local Westin, which is currently the *best* (read: most expensive) hotel in town. Lovely place, but they are very proud of their product. For lunch Friday, we opted for one of the least expensive buffets, and paid $46 a head for the meal. I think we will be okay financially, but jeez, the cost of stuff these days!

Like Cassandra, I am tired and will rest well tonight.

Posted by: Slyness | October 27, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

'Evening, Boodle.

I see the macho/chauvinism/hippie debate has gotten a bit muddled.Since it appears I did indeed open this Pandora's box, let me try to separate the tangled threads.

In See's review, she mentioned a lot of what I'd call "macho" male behavior that Thompson and others behaved in--especially his thing with guns, and driving 90 miles an hour, etc. She then linked this with hippies and the Woodstock generation, peaceniks, etc.

I objected, because I think the "macho" stuff came earlier, and was pretty far different from what the hippie movement was all about. For one thing, the entire hippie/peacenik generation was so solidly and thoroughly anti-war and anti-Vietnam, that no self-respecting hippie/peacenik of that era would remotely be interested in guns in any way shape or form. There was no social group in history that was more anti-gun than that group. Just try to picture Abbie Hoffman or Jerry Garcia or any of the Flower Power people going out and getting tanked up on a Saturday night, driving anywhere at 90 miles an hour, and shooting out street lights and generally having fun shooting up the neighborhood with a .44 magnum. Never happen in a gazillion years. A gazillion, gazillion years.

My own vision of "macho" in that period involves not only drinking/binge drinking, and guns, it is also the whole "muscle" thing, being physically strong, fighting, beating the crap out of each other in bars, macho strutting, picking fights, etc. The macho types stereotypically (at least in my view) were members of the football team, and like that. Invariably they played sports. And invariably they HATED longhairs, hippies, peaceniks, etc.

The counter-culture (which I admit and agree had its own faults, which I'll get to in a minute) on the other hand, was (in my view) extremely anti-macho. Hippies didn't fight. Fighting was violence, yadda yadda, and this was "MAke love, not war" crowd. You never saw a couple of peaceniks going out it head-to-head, posturing, strutting, competing, showing off in order to get some chick, etc. In those days, two peaceniks showed off, strutted and competed for chicks by seeing which one could quote the most parts from Franz Fanon or where there when the Port Huron Statement was drafted, or new Mark Rudd personally. Man, those folks didn't fight, strut. They didn't play sports--most of all organized sports, and most of all would they submit to the discipline of a crewcut and playing on a football team. Just. Did. Not. Happen. People who were doing marijuana and LSD as often as those people did not drive at 90 miles an hour, beat up mailboxes with baseball bats, and own, much less shoot, guns.

Now, I DO agree with what Maggie said, about a lot of the counter-culture being highly chauvinistic. And I think it is quite important here to make the distinction between "macho" on the one hand, and "chauvinistic," on the other. I think I'd quite agree that a lot of the counter-culture was pretty chauvinistic, and I think I'd go so far as to say it was the CC's single greatest hypocrisy. Here were people who were ostensibly revolutionaries rebelling against the "old" Ozzie-and-Harriet culture and (in their own minds) "creating a brave new world," which was indeed brave and new as long as the chicks ran the copier machines and made the coffee, and slept with them on a no-strings basis, etc. Yes, there were some prominent women leaders in the counter-culture, but I trhink they tended to be the exceptions and odd cases (Patty Hearst, Bernadette Devlin, etc.). The majority of them were singers, though, and I don't think that counts. (There had always been female singers; it wasn't like Joan Baez broke some sort of glass ceiling.)

And I'd agree that yes, the Feminism movement in part came out of a good portion of the counter-culture -- but not entirely. As I recollect, virtually all the early leaders of the Feminism movement PRECEDED the hippies and peaceniks. Steinham, Friedan, Millet--these women were already out there and creating the beginning of the movement right about then. What I think happened was something of a phenomenal coincidence in time--that the Civil Rights Movement, the Antiwar Movement/Counter-Culture/Drug Culture and the Feminism Movement all broke out at about the same time. Yes, there was some overlap, and yes, there were many people with a foot in two of those camps or even all three. I think the Feminism Movement was able to recruit a lot of women out of the Antiwar/Counter-Culture movement, precisely for the reasons Maggie pointed out--the chauvinism and hypocrisy. A lot of women realized it didn't matter much if you were running the photocopier for Big Box Store and getting sexually harrassed by the boss, or running the photocopier for the Berkeley chapter of the Young Trotskyites and getting sexually harrassed by Central Committee Co-Chairman Jason-- it was time to stop putting up with the crap.

Does this help clarify anything?

I've spent a lot of time thinking about all that time period, and I still don't have it all sorted out. I'll say this: to my knowledge NO ONE has yet written the definitive book about that era, or even come close. I am undecided about whether that book MUST be written by "our" generation (and hence while we're still alive), or whether the definitive work can/will be written 20, 30, 40 years from now, or could even be written today by somebody who is, say, 35 or 40, and didn't live through it. (I have my own somewhat idiosyncratic theory about the Counter-Culture that I've never seen anyone else even hint at, but it takes way too much space to develop to put it out here.)

I think the guy who might have had a shot at writing it was David Halberstam. I think he could have done it. Nobody else offhand I can think of, though.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 27, 2007 7:56 PM | Report abuse

*apologies to dr and Slyness for the navel-gazing on my boomer era.*

*but you're wrong about the self-involvement question*

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 27, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Useful info from Orlando Sentinel:

For years, the switch from Daylight Saving Time came the last weekend of October. In 2004, it actually occurred on Halloween. With President Bush's Energy Act of 2005, that gets pushed back this year. For the foreseeable future, so to speak, the change now happens on the first Sunday of November. This year it's November 4.

Posted by: Jumper | October 27, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Studs Terkel could have put together a good book on the '60s if he ever wanted to.

Posted by: Jumper | October 27, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Mudge and Maggie.

Posted by: Jumper | October 27, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I just noticed for the first time: Todd Helton looks a little bit like our Scottynuke. (For the uninitiated: Todd Helton is the Rockies' first baseman.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 27, 2007 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I might buy Studs Terkel, Jumper. Good call.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 27, 2007 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, to me hippies live on in the form of self-conceited starving artists, musicians, and poets. Bohemians have always been part of the culture of many cities.

That said, my parents were pre-hippies, and everything I read disagrees on the actual dynamics between the uprising against The Man, other than there were an awful lot of kids from big families who were worried about work, went to college then went wild.

One wonders, whether the shortage of adult males from the WWWII generation may have contributed to not enough fathers telling those guys to get haircuts and jobs.

But like I said, I wasn't there and I don't really care.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 27, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Interesting thought, Wilbrod, but I don't think there were that many missing males. At least, I don't remember there being.

I think there was a lot of pent-up energy from WWII that needed an outlet, and the changes necessary to make the war effort successful (women doing men's jobs, and the mixing up of classes in a draft military) were the underlying causes of the unheaval of the Sixties. People had been told everyone was equal, saw that it wasn't so, and decided to do what had to be done to make the changes. It was an amazing, unsettling time.

Mudge, we boomers can certainly write our memoirs and maybe a history or two, but I still think we are too close to the era to see clearly what was cause, effect, and outcome. For the long term, anyway.

Posted by: Slyness | October 27, 2007 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Jumper... looks like I'll be in Charlotte next weekend. Interested in a mini-BPH? No cheese required.

I want to take my son to the Penguin Drive-in or something else in that neighborhood. What do you think?

Posted by: TBG | October 27, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

The Penguin would be good, or Lupie's if you're in the mood for veggies...

Posted by: Slyness | October 27, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Also, many fathers and other male authority figures might have had their own issues.

PTSD gets a lot of attention in Vietnam vets (up to 30% estimated), but WWII also had over 500,000 men discharged from battle due to psych issues.
Over 800,000 men were further declared 4-F for service due to psychological unfitness.

I don't know the figures for the Korean war. It's very likely that a lot of people simply decided they wanted nothing doing with 'Nam because they knew all too well what combat could mean.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 27, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Well said, Mudgie; I think you should write the book in the Studs Turkel style. Get the principals to tell their stories in their own words. Should be a lot of fun, involving travel, revising history, ego thumping, posturing and the like.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 27, 2007 9:19 PM | Report abuse

One to nuthin in the third.

Now it's 3 to nuthin in the third.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 27, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Slyness, I guess you would know better than me. But I am sure WWII and Korean war had lasting effects.

For instance the inequality you speak of? Many black vets fought for America, in progressively integrated units (Ike ordered such) and came back to segregation. Ike desegregated Washington, DC, but that was pretty much it for a while...

And lots of women held jobs during WWII only to lose them when the guys came home. Lots of them might adjust to homemaking and raising kids, but you can bet they'd be talking about the war days when they really lived it up.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 27, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Dice-K just got a hit! OMG! 5-0 Sox.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 27, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Man, this ain't looking good. I may have to start channel-flipping. 6-0.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 27, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, What are you saying? I think it's looking great, and it's still the third inning.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 27, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Well, Wilbrod, I was too little to realize everything that was going on, but my sense is that the Fifties were the calm before the storm. All the soldiers came home, got married, started families and had to work and make homes. There was a lot of pent-up consumer demand. Once it was clear there was prosperity to be had, but not everybody did, the game was on.

Yes, the civil rights movement was a continuation, in a sense, of the work Ike started when he integrated the army.

Posted by: Slyness | October 27, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

What does it say about me that I didn't recognize my own daughter who was dressed as the Bride of Frankenstein at the "Ghoul House" tonight? Her "husband" the Monster was patting me on the back and I was trying to keep #1 granddaughter from being afraid so managed to miss the fact that the Monster was also someone I know - not just some guy trying to get familiar ;-). (Of course in the mask I couldn't be expected to recognize him.) The event was done by the historical society in a little village on the Cape and they did a fantastic job. Great makeup and costumes, excellent props. The main part was in the one-room schoolhouse and there was a graveyard set up next to it with more ghouls and some great headstones. A lot of people put in a lot of time and effort to make it a very good show for $3 per person. Sadly, #2 granddaughter was too scared to go in. Of course Auntie came out to see her and she wasn't afraid but it didn't convince her to go inside.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 27, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, slyness, I asked that question myself--whether somebody 20, 30, 40 years from now might write it better than somebody alive now. I see the question as having three elements. (1) Agreed, a certain amount of time has to pass in order to get some perspective. The thing is, it's been what? 30-some years already? So how much is enouygh? I don't know. (2) and (3) are paradoxes. (2) is it helps if the writer has a certain amount of "distance" from the subject, in order to be objective and to be able to separate the forest from the trees. But (3) is that it helps to have the writer be someone who was there, an eyewitness (which isn't the same as a participant) so to speak. History itself is no help to us here: sometimes the "definitive" books about a subject were written right in the middle of the event; at other times the "definitive" book had to wait many, many years. I don't think there's a rule-of-thumb on it, either way.

Boy, the umpires earned their salaries on those two calls. They got 'em both right, but it took three instant replays to see it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 27, 2007 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Patty Hearst a "prominent woman leader in the counter culture"? No - she was a kidnap victim and convicted bank robber (later pardoned) in the mid '70's. And Joan Baez was/is much more than just a singer. She was an activist against the draft - her husband went to jail for draft resistance. But it's hard for me to come up with women's names - men's names too, when it comes to that. Part of what happened was that the anti-war movement was so large, and so spread out, that there were no national leaders. Call for a demonstration and hundreds of thousands would show up; student strike - you got it; 3 day concert in upstate New York - 500,000 people. There were enough young people, affected by the draft for an increasingly unpopular war, that they got it in their heads that they could and should stop the war. Unfortunately, it took 10 years and got Richard Nixon elected. Sigh.

Wilbrod, there were plenty of people telling kids to get their hair cut. The point is, why did it matter how long someone's hair was? What mattered was that there was an undeclared war against a country that had not attacked us, our leaders were lying to us, and spying on us - oops, we did it again...

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 27, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad for you and Scotty, Maggie--but I was kinda hoping for a more competitive series, not a sweep. This is borderline humiliating.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 27, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

And it all ended with the drama that was Watergate, mostly. I hope we don't have to go through *that* again!

Okay, Mudge, I'll concede Clarendon's History of the Rebellion and Civil Wars in England, but that's not the norm, wouldn't you say?

Posted by: Slyness | October 27, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Truman integrated the army.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 27, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm saying there is no norm. Wish there was; it'd makes things easier.

Another wasted opportunity for the Rox. Nice play by Lugo and Lowell.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 27, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Oops, I don't know that I made myself very clear. The 60's were not navel gazing, but there has been a heck of a lot of navel gazing about the 60's since then.

Too many people view history as a series of static events, but history flows.

From the 60's came an attitude toward drugs, from illicit drugs, came community breakdown, from community breakdown came violence and crime, and increasingly tense times. Its no different looking back.

Jewish people suffered greatly in WWII, the world gave (possible fuzzy data on my part, perhaps took from others is a more real term - history hasn't decided that yet) a land of their own. No one took the Palestinians,so we have a deeply unstable middle east and so it goes. Heck we are still dealing with the ripples of the Ottoman Empire with these latest things in Turkey.

The 60's may have ended, but the real affects of the the political and social changes the 60's began are just now being felt. Some of the things aren't working outas we hoped, but some things are.

Who knows where the 60's ripples will take us still. We can and should write the history of our times, but as long as there is emotional involvement in the times, I don't think the history of a thing or event ends.

mr dr is listening to the game. Every so often there is a the sound of approval. I caught moments at the end of the last game, as I changed channels, and I will say one thing. The Sox left the field looking very businesslike. So long as they keep that look, they are going to massacre them.

Mudge, I wouldn't say you navel gazed ever - you don't look like the type, but I I think you'd agree you do naval gaze.

Posted by: dr | October 27, 2007 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Maggie O'D-- Ike was the commander of the Allied forces in Europe, that is what I meant. He implemented some desegregation long before Truman's Executive Order 9981 was signed on July 26, 1948.

Even after that order was signed, the military took at least 3 years to begin really desegregating.

In September 24 1957, in the wake of the Brown decision, U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower enforced the Supreme Court's 1954 school desegregation order by sending troops to Little Rock, Arkansas.

And on October 10 of that year, US President Dwight D. Eisenhower apologizes to the finance minister of Ghana, Komla Agbeli Gbdemah, after he was refused service in a Dover, Delaware restaurant.

Here's a summary of his role:

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 27, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Slyness, actually, I wouldn't mind a presidential resignation just now, if the VP went too.

My husband thinks that Bush will cook up a crisis (war with Iran?), cancel the elections, and we'll be stuck with him. I say there'd be a lot of people in the streets if that happened, hopefully with the military on their side. I hope my husband's wrong (he thought Y2K would be a disaster), but I would not put it past this administration.

And I agree, we may never know all the effects of the 60s - but I think that some things can and have to be captured while the people who lived through that time are still here. As yellojkt said earlier, the Republicans have made it into a cartoon that suits their narrow political ends - and it's not the whole picture. Another interesting aspect is that there were student movements going on in Europe, even parts of eastern Europe at the same time. Something was in the air. There are some books out there, although I haven't read them. PBS showed a documentary about the Camden 28 recently - I have to admit I don't remember that incident - raid on a draft board that was infiltrated by the FBI:

It's too dang cold to be playing baseball. They ought to play the Series in a nice warm, neutral spot if they're going to play this late in the year.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 27, 2007 11:14 PM | Report abuse

O for the days when the John Birch Society were nasty extremists instead of moderate Republicans.

Thanks to all for the advice re: my meat crisis. I cubed then browned the steak before subjecting it to 20 minutes in the pressure cooker. It smells and tastes fine so I'll work up a stew or something.

I'm not sure if I'm ashamed to say that I've found the baseball scores much more amusing since I read an article on the Rockie's evanglical ownership, coaching and hiring practices.

Posted by: Boko999 | October 27, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I definitely agree, dr; navel-gazing is one of my favorite things. Part of my job as a writer, methinks.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 27, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I guess God is a lousy baseball scout, Boko999.

I'm looking through that site, "killology, and it is interesting.

He analyzes gun violence in children here as being caused by desensitivization to violence without attendant discipline (as found in the military or in hunting).

I am inclined to agree to a degree. He earlier discusses that humans in fact, tend to be averse to killing other people. Apparently in WWII maybe 15-20% of servicemen actually ever fired at an exposed enemy soldier. The military then started using conditioning techniques focusing on actually shooting at figures of soldiers. The actual fire rate increased significantly in Korea and in Vietnam with those techniques.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 27, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey, we got us a ballgame.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 27, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Now my deeply held fatalist pessimism is clicking in.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 27, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

There, there, Maggie, there, there.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 28, 2007 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Red Sox angst, Maggie. I feel it too.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 28, 2007 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Oh, wait:

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 28, 2007 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I'm still feeling it at the top of the 9th. I am my father's daughter.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 28, 2007 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I didn't know Matsumi is a swtch hitter. Handy. oh

Posted by: Anonymous | October 28, 2007 12:28 AM | Report abuse

That was me.
I can't remember the last last time I listened to ball game on the radio. This is fun.

Posted by: Boko999 | October 28, 2007 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Papelbon better have his good stuff!

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 28, 2007 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Coors. It figures.

Posted by: Boko999 | October 28, 2007 12:33 AM | Report abuse

If you were going to rebel against a father who had cut his hair, embraced a hieracrchy and saved democracy what would you do?

Posted by: Boko999 | October 28, 2007 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Now 10 to 5 in at the bottom of the 9th. I am still worried.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 28, 2007 12:47 AM | Report abuse

"it turned out to be a lovely day ...."

Posted by: Cassandra S | October 28, 2007 12:48 AM | Report abuse

okay, okay, sheesh.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 28, 2007 12:55 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 28, 2007 12:56 AM | Report abuse

3 games to 0, Maggie. You can relax now--until tomorrow.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 28, 2007 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Love the conversations about the sixties,Mudge, Slyness, and all. Mudge, you seem to be the expert.

Going back to bed. Night, boodle.

Posted by: Cassandra S | October 28, 2007 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Oh. Max Yeager is on my TV screen.
You can't beat todays electronics.
I still have a crush on Grace Slick.
Roger Dodger Over and Out.

Posted by: Boko999 | October 28, 2007 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, birdie. I'm not doing very well rooting for the Rockies. Must win tomorrow night!

Cassandra, your "lovely day" reminds me of this song from U2 (glad you had a nice day):


Catching your bright blue eyes in the freeze frame
I've seen them so many times
I feel like I must be your best friend
You're looking fine, so fine, oh my
Dressed up like a lovely day

Babyface, babyface
Slow down child, let me untie your lace
Babyface, babyface
Cover girl with natural grace
How could beauty be so kind to an ordinary guy

Or this one from the Moody Blues (the 60s!):

"Lovely to See You"

A wonderful day for passing my way.
Knock on my door and even the score
With your eyes.

Lovely to see you again my friend.
Walk along with me to the next bend.

Dark cloud of fear is blowing away.
Now that you're here, you're going to stay
cause it's

Lovely to see you again my friend.
Walk along with me to the next bend.

Tells us what you've seen in faraway forgotten lands.
Where empires have turned back to sand.

Wonderful day for passing my way.
Knock on my door and even the score
With your eyes.

Lovely to see you again my friend.
Walk along with me to the next bend.

G'night, Boodle.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 28, 2007 1:18 AM | Report abuse

I had forgotten that Joan Baez's husband David was in prison and she was pregnant when she appeared at Woodstock. I'm listening to her do Joe Hill.
I agree she is more than a singer she is aserious activist. Bob?

Posted by: Boko9999 | October 28, 2007 1:53 AM | Report abuse

What the heck did Grace see in Kastner?
Jorma was the artist.

Posted by: Boko999 | October 28, 2007 2:43 AM | Report abuse

What did she see in any of them, Boko? She did them all but Marty Balin, according to legend. And what did they see in her? Kanter and Jorma may have been the "artists," but I've always liked Balin's voice on "Miracles" and "Runaway." I liked that group (under its various names), but boy, they were a human trainwreck. Creach and Dryden are dead: RIP.

I like the irony in "Miracles"; Balin is singing, ostensibly to Slick, and she is responding to him in the song. But in fact, they never did get together, which ticked him off. (Again according to legend, anyway.)

'Morning, Boodle.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 28, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Sleep deprivation continues... And I really don't mind. :-)

*BackBoodling with lotsa caffeine*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 28, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

*still BackBoodling*

I think 'Mudge was VERY well-lubricated for his 8:18 last night... Mr. Helton would take great umbrage at the comparison, I'm sure.


Posted by: Scottynuke | October 28, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps Grace just wanted a bit of fun with someone handy and inoffensive?

Morning boodle. This boodle and the last have me spending too much time on You Tube. Here's another clever tune from my current young artist fave. Tommy Wallach singing Synaesthesia:

Posted by: frostbitten | October 28, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Marty Balin played at the Cellar Door back in either 1980 or '81. A friend who had always had a crush on him went with me to see him play.

During one of his breaks we found him upstairs, sitting alone and having a drink... the opportunity of a lifetime! I finally prodded my friend into going over to talk with him (kb... does that sound like me or what?).

He was friendly and nice and she thoroughly enjoyed herself. She may have been one of the few women he'd met who is, er... more vertically challenged than he is. [Wilbrod... she easily has you beat, too.]

Posted by: TBG | October 28, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I had planned to enjoy this beautiful October weekend here in San Antonio and not Boodle until Monday...but two reprints of articles that recently ran in the Washington Post appeared in today's San Antonio Express News' Views (op-ed) section and have prompted me to jump in.

First, congratulations to Joel! His recent article about Frisky Geezers is on the front page of the section, not below the banner, but dominating the front page, with large photos accompanying the first 3 1/2 paragraphs of his piece and showing Hugh Hefner with three girlfriends, Rupert Murdoch, Barbara Walters and Clint Eastwood. (What, no common Joe Schmoe?) This is the second time Joel's work has been printed in our local paper, the first was his story about the Dalai Lama.

The second Washington Post article reprint is on the third page of our op-ed section, an article about last week's (and this week's--since some of the blazes are still ongoing) California fires, written by author Amy Wilentz.

There are several sentences in her opinion piece that are making me tear out my hair. Wilentz writes:

'Ususally, fire doesn't reach all classes. It tends to gravitate toward the better-off, the ones closest to what is green. Fires start where there is brush...(the more she writes, the more I feel compelled to rant--one fire was started by a welder's torch)'

This is pure drivel and bunk. Most importantly, where is the research to support such an assertion? To think that fires gravitate to certain neighborhoods?

Let's look at the fires in San Diego County, as an example--certainly an Equal Opportunity fire.

The Harris fire burning near the border either burned in or close to Jamul and Potrero, one burning a trailer park. Upscale enclave? Four undocumented workers' bodies--they on foot--were found in a canyon in this region. I'm sure these four workers were enjoying all of life's luxuries.

One interview done from Qualcomm Stadium was conducted by CNN with an African-American family--father, mother, and two daughters. The father was employed by the Navy. I don't beleive the interviewer mentioned the community they were forced to flee. Middle class, perhaps upper middle class? Better off? You decide.

The Poomacha fire erupted on the La Jolla Indian Reservation. La Jolla means "the jewel" but I doubt if these natives on the local reservation have many jewels anymore unless they're operating their own casino. At least eight homes were destroyed at La Jolla Amago, and I doubt that many of those homeowners had Mercedes Benzes in the driveways (unlike my sister).

I Googled Wilentz because the blurb at the end of the Washington Post reprint mentions that she is the author of the recent book "I Feel the Earthquakes More Often Than They Happen: Coming to California in the Age of Schwarzenegger." Here's what I found:

Amy Wilentz grew up in a small, industrial New Jersey town far away from contemporary Los Angeles. She is the author of two previous books, "The Rainy Season: Haiti Since Duvalier" and "Martyrs' Crossing," a novel. Wilentz moved to California in 2003, and "I Feel Earthquakes More Often Than They Happen" is the result of that lucky [how lucky!] displacement. She lives in Los Angeles with her husband and three sons.

Perhaps it's a sad commentary that we don't pay attention to the plight of those burned out of their homes in Los Angeles (or frisky geezers?) unless the names are associated with the rich and famous in this celebrity-saturated culture. Do readers pay more attention to the Fallbrook Rice fire knowing that Tori Spelling has a fancy-schmanzy bed and breakfast on a hilltop there? Or does our interest get piqued when we read that British actress Jane Seymour, who currently is hoofing it on "Dancing with the Stars," has a home in Malibu?

What's even sadder is that the Washington Post ran an op-ed by an East Coast writer who has been in California only four years and who doesn't seem to know the area very well--as least as far as fires are concerned. Who knows what wisdom of nonsense she has to say about earthquakes?

Posted by: Loomis | October 28, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

SCC: NYT graphic shows 60 homes lost in the Poomacha fire

Posted by: Loomis | October 28, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

From the NYT's lede story this morning (it's it a shame that the article doesn't focus on funding--local, state, of federal--for the fire fight, or providing more fire stations, or having a fire department that serves all of San Diego County):

'In San Diego County, which has borne the brunt of the recent fires, three out of four homes built since 1990 are in the dangerous zone where open spaces and housing meet. These are the most vulnerable and exposed places in fire season because wildfires by and large start in national forests, recreation areas and other publicly owned lands.'

Let's see, one of the Southern California fires was started by a welder's torch, another by arson, another by downed power lines...

Back to Wilentz's comment: "It [fire] tends to gravitate toward the better-off, the ones closest to what is green." That's funny, because often we would camp in the Sierra in very early summe--the first campers to use a given camp site, when my father would instruict us to clear dried pine needles from around the desingated fire put in our campground. My father never once told me to go collect green pine needles to start our campfire. What, and put the fire out?

Just remember, lest we too soon forget, that Bush's press conference last week in San Diego County and his visit to Escondido were not his first there in relation to fires. On Nov. 5, 2003, Bush made a similar appearance and held a similar press gathering after the Cedar fire, appearing with then Govenor-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger and then (and now former) San Diego Fire Chief Jeff Bowman, who resigned some time later in frustration that his ideas and that of California's Blue Ribbon Commission that studied the Cedar fire (see articles about Bill Campbell or get the commission's report online) were not implemented. It must be old hat for Bush to be doing the same old song and dance.

If dry conditions--not green--are what's responsible for these horrific fires, why is no one talking about why Los Angeles is having a drought of historic proportions--well, since records have been kept?

Off to my day and the local garden center...

Posted by: Loomis | October 28, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I guess because no one was hurt, it's OK to laugh at this article...

Bethesda Apartment Building Evacuated for Pepper Spray

The Grosvenor Park II apartment house in Bethesda was evacuated for about an hour Friday night after a release of pepper spray during a Halloween party, fire officials said.

No one was hospitalized, but firefighter costumes worn by a number of partygoers created confusion, a fire department spokesman said.

Posted by: TBG | October 28, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Hello, friends. Thanks for the lyrics, mostly.

Just wanted to stop in and say hello. On my way back to church. We're celebrating one of the choir's anniversary. And from there, Shaw Day, at another church, up the road. Shaw Day is a celebration of Shaw University in Raleigh, NC. By the time I'm finished, I suspect the day will be over. I need sleep real bad. Got about two hours last night.

I think a lot of events brought on Woodstock, and the hippie revolution as it is sometimes called. Maybe time will give us a better understanding of the why. My life was so sheltered during that time, I hardly noticed it. After watching my people getting beat, watered down, and attacked by dogs and humans, it was hard to keep track of any thing else. I think I was in shock for most of it. Parents lived a nightmare trying to keep their children safe. And I'm sure watching all that violence and chaos on television has impacted me in ways I cannot imagine, and some I can. I hope our country can avoid anything similar to that in the future, although I wouldn't hold my breath.

Got to go, so sleepy. Enjoy your Sunday.

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Cassandra S | October 28, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon, all.

Regular season NFL football in *London* (NY Giants v. Miami)?

This really must be the 21st century.

I hope everyone has a good day today, except for the New England Patriots.

But I doubt they will.


Posted by: bc | October 28, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Are any of you familiar with a telephone that uses captioning? This is new technology. Steer me in the right direction if you have a clue about this. Thank you very much.

Posted by: Cassandra S | October 28, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Mostlylurking says:

//My husband thinks that Bush will cook up a crisis (war with Iran?), cancel the elections, and we'll be stuck with him.

It sounds like Mr. Lurking has been reading or the other internet sites that have been all over the recently issued "Presidential Directive #51".

Under this edict, the President will have the power, in case of a "catastropic emergency" (hurricane? forest fire? foreign country with imaginary WPDs pointed at us? -- the President gets to decide what situation qualifies) to suspend the Constitution and lead the other branches of government in order to ensure "continuity" of governance.

The scary thing about this is not that it was signed by G.W. Bush, but that it has not been challenged by Congress. It's like he doesn't even need to belabor the point, we left "checks and balances" behind already.

Posted by: kbertocci | October 28, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I dunno about you, kber, but implementation of that one would send me out to the streets. I expect I'd have company. Including public safety officers.

Posted by: Slyness | October 28, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

One thing about the '60s is that there was a widespread belief in the efficacy of extended psychoanalysis in treatment for various ills of the mind, including depression, compulsion, etc., etc., which only in later years was determined to perhaps not be so. Navel gazing, as some would put it. I should point out that it was the moneyed class that primarily indulged in such, and also that this fad was primarily going on not in those who came of age in that era, but their somewhat-elders. Navel gazing is also a term for meditation, and prior to the '60s and the increased importation of non-Christian forms of such, was primarily recommended as a part of the more contemplative Christian traditions already extant here in the U.S. Navel gazing is also a term used derisively for those who were over-occupied by their own psychedelic drug experiences to the exclusion of useful work. This particular aspect of recreational drug use both pre-existed and outlasted the youth culture of the time, and overlapped into other forms of navel gazing, in category, age group, and era.

I expect most would agree that a contemplative approach is not by nature a bad thing unless it keeps one from getting off their lazy behind and helping with the dirty dishes.

As for my own navel, it's hard to see at all these days. Thus, no cheese.

Posted by: Jumper | October 28, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Chirp. It's a young team...can ya tell? At least they made it to the World Series.

They'll be back. Boohoo...*sniffles*

(okay, one heart-wrenching game to go ... in case there's a miracle)

Posted by: birdie | October 28, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Afternoon All
Beautiful fall day here today, leaves blowing everywhere.

My computer clock says 3:00 right now, guess it went back to the old daylight savings time. Has this happened to anybody else? Or am I just in a time warp?

Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 28, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

There is also Naval gazing, which would be seaing all things naval.

Posted by: dr | October 28, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

>My husband thinks that Bush will cook up a crisis (war with Iran?), cancel the elections, and we'll be stuck with him.

My $0.02. I personally can't see it. First, it should be of some comfort for people to recall that the last two U.S. elections post 9/11 have had a fair amount of commentators predicting an "October surprise" eg capturing Bin Laden. Second, even if there was a faction in the administration that was planning/hoping for a pretext to cancel the elections, I don't think there would be enough support to carry it through. No party wants to be the coup d'etat party.

What I think might be a real possibility, however, is that Cheney et al are planning on bringing matters to a head with Iran before the next election. From what I've read, I think that to the neocons, as strange as it may sound, a war with Iran now would be a gift to future generations since such a conflict is inevitable in any event. So my difference in opinion with mostly's husband is not that another war may be coming, but the reason is not to retain power.

To the objection that such a war is beyond the army's capacity, I would say that the discrepancy between the advice and the execution in Iraq makes me wonder if a key assumption among certain decision makers is that warring statelets from the Golan to Afghanistan are considered to be preferable to the status quo.

Posted by: SonofCarl | October 28, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

GWE, that is an issue with the clock beside my bed in the mountain place. No wonder it was on sale.

SoC, another reason to pray fervently for the quick and safe arrival of January 20, 2009.

Posted by: Slyness | October 28, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

gwe, I found my coffee maker had switched hours on me last night.

mostlylurking, I think I've read a novel or two where a sitting President declares extraordianry powers during a crisis, and dispenses with niceties like elections and habeus corpus.

I used to regard such literature as paranoid fantasies slightly more realistic than Philip K Dick or Stanislaw Lem novels, but given the events of the past seven years and the behavior of the Casa Blanco de Arbusto, I wonder if I should reconsider that position.

Seriously, though, I don't think that Bush and the GOP don't have the political strength or support from the military to make what your husband's concerned about stick. Besides, Bush would *never* be able to go on vacation if he pulled such a stunt. I think GWB is going to announce that he's going to Disney World when he holds his last WH presser in January '09.

Note to the Gregg Williams and the Washington defense: when Pats linebacker Mike Vrabel's in the game on offense (and reports to the refs as eligible) inside the opposition's 5 yard line, chances are pretty good they're going to throw a pass to him for a touchdown as they've done 10 times or so over the past few years. Don't leave him completely uncovered in the end zone, eh? Even *I* saw that one coming.



Posted by: bc | October 28, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Afternoon, Boodle. I agree with slyness: if Bush ever tried to pull that stunt, there'd be people in the streets like you'd never seen before. It would make the March on Washington in '68 look like Family Day.

Also, I have a suspcion any attack on Iran will be aborted by the military, which will just tell Cheney they can't/won't do it. I don't doubt Cheney might want to try it, but I don't see it getting off the ground. The milutary went along with Iraq, but they won't go for Iran.

I'm sorta watching the Skins with my fingers over my eyes. I peek out once in a while, but it isn't pretty.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 28, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

gwe--beautiful day here as well ... just perfect .. except, well ...

Posted by: birdie | October 28, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I like to think Mudge is right about the military thwarting any administration effort to prosecute a war with Iran. However, I'm trying to imagine how that would work. A more vehement version of Shinseki telling them it would take more than we have? I'm not sure that would make W and Darth back down. A mass resignation in protest? Probably what it would take, and I hope it would happen. Mass refusal, tantamount to rebellion? I don't see it.

Other boodlers' thoughts on just how the military could prevent an Iran debacle?

Posted by: frostbitten | October 28, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

gwe, Microsoft put out 2 fixes for that last spring--the first to change the spring time, the second to make the change you've seen appear next weekend instead of this.

Of course, the idio... powers that be... made us log in to test this weekend anyway.

Posted by: dbG | October 28, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

TBG, or Slyness, try me at girawolf at jahoo. The jay is a y as you know. Sounds like fun. In any case, at
if anyone leaves a comment, I will get an email alert. I'll watch the other address, but I'm forgetful - don't get much mail there. But let's talk.

I do like Lupies, also. I used to hang out near Fire Station 7 in NoDa, but haven't been there in years except for the quest for pizza yesterday.

Posted by: Jumper | October 28, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, is the Penguin open on Sundays? I don't think Lupie's is...

Factoid about Station 7: in the back there used to be a couple of jail cells for the po-leece in North Charlotte to keep the criminals they caught till they could take them downtown.

Boudreaux's is open on Sundays; what do you think about it? I haven't been there in a number of years.

Posted by: Slyness | October 28, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

kb, thanks for that link. Not sure I feel better knowing there's a basis in fact for his paranoia! Mr Lurking is more suspicious of the internets than of the Bush Administration, so he gets this from listening to non-right-wing talk radio. As I said, his predictive abilities have not been that good in the past. He did, however, know that the Bushies were talking with Kissinger, before that was acknowledged publicly.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 28, 2007 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Doh! The 6:37 was me.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 28, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

*sigh* I tend not to think of what I'm watching as a Redskins game. I prefer to think of it as the second nationally broadcast live colonoscopy in TV history, that's all. (Katie's was first.)

I'm really hoping we can hold them under 50.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 28, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I really think we can hold them under 50-- the Pats have taken Brady out and have put in Carson Kressly at quarterback.

Oh crap, never mind. Kressly just threw a 21-yard pass, down to the 16 yard line.

Oh *&^%$# never mind. Touchdown.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 28, 2007 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I really think we can hold them under 60.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 28, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh Mudge, I am sorry. The Pats are a better team (duh!) but it is a shame to be beaten so completely. What can I say, the Patriots have an awesome team this year. Take solace in the fact that we won't be this good forever, some day Tom will be old and we'll be hapless again.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 28, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

From your mouth to god's ear, Bad.

I just heard a rumor they're bring in FEMA and a bunch of formaldyhyde-ridden site trailers. Ought to be on site next week some time.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 28, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Redskins just got a penalty for popping the clutch.

Ooops!!! We just scored!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It won't be a humiliating shutout after all.

I wonder if anybody took the Skins and 45.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 28, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

It's not a complete disaster Mudge, the Redskins scored!! Maybe the trailers can go to Denver instead :-)

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 28, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Been thinking of you, Mudge, while the Patriots are basically giving a tutorial to the Redskins on how to play football. Absolutely painful to watch.

That said, my Lions won, so it is the ecstasy side of the equation, more than equaling out the agony side. Or something like that.

Next week's game between the Pats and the Colts is going to capture the attention of the entire country, I'm sure. That's gonna be a truly great game.

And for Maggie's sake: Go Sox!

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 28, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I gotta say, Bill Belichick is my fashion hero. He dresses kinda like I do on weekends.All he needs in that serape is a cheroot and Lee Van Cleef squinting at him.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 28, 2007 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Not that the Pats aren't the best team around right now, but it did make me a little suspicious when they reported that the Redskin coaches in the booth were not able to communicate with the coaches on the field.

It's like I try to tell my kids about earning the benefit of the doubt. Let's just say the Patriots coaches have lost that benefit.

We're watching on Tivo and there is still 8:47 left to go in the game. Normally I can't boodle during a game as there are too many real-time references, but it really doesn't matter at this point today.

(Last week we were still watching the game when my sister who had been at the game walked in the door to pick up her kids.)

Posted by: TBG | October 28, 2007 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, after what the Skins did to the Lions, I imagine you guys are enjoying this, FTB, and I can't say as I blame you any.

I do console myself with one excellent question: what kind of maroon dumps Bridget Moynahan?

It's pretty thin gruel, but it's the best I can do.

Worked on our vacation house today and I'm really whipped. I know I'm not gonna get any further than maybe the 3rd inning of the Sox-Rox Jox on Fox, so good luck to...whomever.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 28, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to ruin the ending for you, TBG, but let's just say it was down-to-the-wire, OK?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 28, 2007 7:23 PM | Report abuse

So it was as bad as the Colts and the Panthers today? I glanced up every once in a while and winced. And I'm not a football fan.

Posted by: Slyness | October 28, 2007 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Just saw Belichick's press conference and he was asked about the communication issue. He said the refs informed him of the problem but they did not tell the Pats to shut their communications down. The sad thing here is that Belichick is tainted by that stupid spying thing with the Jets. The coach's arrogance is to blame. By the way, if you watched a Belichick press conference with the sound off, you would be sure that his team lost the game. He is famous for being completely without emotion at these things and the rumor is that he hates doing them. It's obvious that he doesn't suffer fools, or foolish questions, gladly. (A bit more of his arrogance methinks.)

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 28, 2007 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Slyness, the Colts-Panthers game was euthanasia compared to the Skins game. Remember Custer and the Indians? The Dukakis campaign?

This was worse.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 28, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I loved Joel's story about the museum for one very good reason: there is always a story behind the story. Joel exposed this as just another one of the tourist fleecing stand that are put at destinations that don't have a full time draw. When I visited Denver, we went to Red Rocks because it was so picturesque. Several dozen other people had that same idea even though it was about ten in the morning. Red Rocks also has a museum and a gift shop. They'd be foolish not to.

What Joel doesn't do because of his pesky journalistic ethics is connect the dots and explain why this small chunk of pork barrel got singled out for lots of fake umbrage. It is the first salvo in the painting of Hillary as a flower child hippie. The right wing will harp on this until you are convinced Hillary was onstage tuning Jimi's guitar.

Since I'm allowed to be unfair and unbalanced (in every sense of the word), I put together a post complete with photos and video links that explains why and how we are going to be seeing a lot more of Hillary the Hippie in the next year.

I do have one bone to pick with Joel. In writing my post, I unconsciously echoed one line out of his story. When I noticed the resemblance, I did some more surfing and it appears that Joel has a factual inaccuracy in his story. He says, "It's a place where you could attend a performance and sip some white wine, but couldn't light up a cigarette -- or anything else." While there are a couple of ways to interpret that statement, the most literal meaning is incorrect. You CAN'T sip some white wine. The concession stand has nine brands of beer including Heineken, Stella Artois (a favorite of the British wife-beating set, or so I'm told), and Blue Moon, but no wine.

Unless Joel saw a menu board I couldn't get to online, his attempt at yuppie-fying the site has truthiness, but is not true. Why do I nit-pick on this? Because this is the type of inaccuracy the wingnuts jump on like a junebug. By finding one not completely documentable error, they call into question the veracity of the entire story. After a few rounds through the echo chamber, they will have equated him with Stephen Glass, finetooth combed all his book cover blurbs, and interrogated his second grade teacher. They will have people questioning if there ever was a Woodstock or if the whole thing was just filmed on the same soundstage as the Apollo landings. Some lunar dust mixed with water makes fine Woodstock hippie mud.

If Joel gets any notoriety as a national reporter at all, he will have to harden up his armor. His style is very subtle and nuanced with just a smidgen of Barryish hyperbole. And wingnuts are notoriously tone deaf.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 28, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I'm so sorry. Thank heavens it's just a game.


Posted by: Slyness | October 28, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Regrettably for the conspiracy theories, "taking to the streets" no longer works in the US, and our embassies in places like London and presumably Ottawa are too well fortified to be stormed and ransacked by furious American tourists.

To supply a proper "9-11 2008" scenario, I suggest roadside bombs (apparently a real worry among security people right now).

My winter rye grass is thriving in the showery weather. It's already filled in the bad patches in the lawn.

Pyne's opinion piece on wildland/urban fires is a good job. Maybe the Post could recruit Tim Flannery or some other worth Australian to write the next such piece.

By way of full disclosure, I was diligently doing required physics in central Pennsylvania during the Woodstock summer. It was in my financial interest to cram in as much college as possible before in-state tuition ran out. On the other hand, that gave up as much as a year of possible time for waiting out the war on a student deferment.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | October 28, 2007 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually just having fun with it, Slyness. I'm not so heavily invested in sports that I get emotionally involved. Yes, it's just a game. I know lots of people who are just miserable the day after a football or baseball loss. I'm not one of them. (After all my years as an umpire, I'm actually pretty used to just rooting for a good game without caring who wins. It'd be nice if the "good guys" win [whoever they may be], but in my experience they often don't.) Perhaps it's the only way I've managed to live through Nixon, Reagan, and Bush.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 28, 2007 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Dave, did you get drafted?

My first full-time job out of college, paying a princely $2.35 an hour, was in the veterans affairs office at the local community college. There were lots of veterans taking advantage of the GI Bill. Some didn't bother to go to class and had to pay the money back. Funny how that happens.

Posted by: Slyness | October 28, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Nice to know you befriend the vertically challenged, TBG. Sounds like she had a blast. Any dates?

Oh, gnomes definitely aren't the smallest people around (there's always hobbits, for instance.).

Moreso, the loss is mainly in the leg, enabling gnomes to practice the arcane skills of hiding in cupboards and trees.

That's ONE blessing-- no drastic torso shrinkage as an adult.

I still remember my phone book days at restaurants. "Menus for us, and a phone book for her to sit on, please."

Now and then there are tables that are much too close to chin level for my taste, but I simply find another table.

Now if they would just make steering wheels low and retractable enough for small women not to practically hug them while driving...

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 28, 2007 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Dave, I'm afraid you're right about the efficacy of direct action as a political tool.

I suspect we're like the frog in the pot, just too comfortable and not able to discern where the tipping point is. But for me the point was passed when they suspended habeas corpus and did that whole "enemy combatant" hocus pocus. Our only hope is that there will remain a vital core of public servants, including bureaucrats, military personnel, legislators and members of the judiciary, who remember that their oath was not to uphold the President or their political party, but to defend the Constitution. Frankly, I don't see that happening now. The Congress needs to be much more vigorous and united, they need to see that beyond party differences they have more important commonalities.

Posted by: kbertocci | October 28, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

1/0 in the first few minutes. I hope this will be a short one. I'm tired!

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 28, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I speak, of course, of the Red Sox.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 28, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Good reading on events in the late '80s in the European states:

Posted by: Jumper | October 28, 2007 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Maggie, I agree with your wish for a quick game. I feel like my life this weekend has revolved around sports. I haven't had a nap, and any weekend without one seems incomplete. I have a migraine threatening and I'm sure it's related to all this emotional turmoil.

By the way, are you as bothered as I am by the national press constantly referring to Boston as "Beantown?" I have never heard anyone who lives here call it that and it grates my nerves something wicked!

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 28, 2007 9:00 PM | Report abuse

But, but, but, Sneaks, Boston baked beans?

Posted by: Slyness | October 28, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Sneaks, I haven't noticed the "Beantown" reference. I never heard any actual resident refer to "Hub of the Universe" as Beantown. I did grow up in a household where we had beans and franks, or beans and hamburgers, or beans and steak every Saturday night, depending on the thickness of the wallet .

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 28, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

True Slyness, but it's sort of like referred to San Francisco as "Frisco," it's just not something the natives generally use. We do hear it referred to as "the Hub" by the press sometimes. Something to do with having been "the hub of the universe" way back when or something. I don't remember the reason and I'm too tired to look it up. I've been elected to watch the game so "S" can get some sleep because he gets up earlier than I do. I hope I make it. (By the way, I hate baked beans!)

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 28, 2007 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Slyness... I just read about the horrible beach house fire in Ocean Isle. It's just devastating news.

Posted by: TBG | October 28, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Totally off topic--

News flash: The (Miami) Herald Hunt is coming to Washington DC. What is the Herald Hunt, you ask. Well, it is the event formerly known as the Tropic Hunt--here's my take on it:

Here's a fan interview with Dave and Tom that starts with their announcement of the "Post Hunt" -- the tentative date is May 18, 2008.

It's not too soon to start studying -- if a Boodle team doesn't win the big prize, it won't be for lack of prior notification. You heard it here first.

Posted by: kbertocci | October 28, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

photo of Dave and Tom at this year's Herald Hunt:

Unofficial Herald Hunt site:

Posted by: kbertocci | October 28, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Maggie O'D...your Red Sox have done so well. Hopefully, this will be a short game. I'm tired of sitting around for hours!

Mudge: Sorry about them Redskins...ouch.

Posted by: birdie | October 28, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

I ended up with a high draft lottery number.

"Demonstrations" in this country seem to have become social events where the participants provide positive feedback to each other. An exception might have been that Republican riot in Miami just after the 2000 election.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | October 28, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

A scavenger hunt based on Gene Weingarten's clues incorporating music, clocks, puns, etc?


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 28, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Just finished backskimming a plethora of interesting posts. Too tired to comment on any of them. The State Marching Band competition was held last night and we finished second to a wquad from somewheres down state. Dog show judging by all accounts: we were the better band musically, but they had an awesome flag show that sealed the deal. I hear the singing wafting on the north wind from Boston. Congratulations.
If GWB pulls PD #51 out of his hat, he'll regret that the NRA lobbied so successfully for the right to bear arms.

Posted by: jack | October 28, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Whoops. Pulled a Tribune. 4-3, 1 out, top of the eighth. Sleep depravation has finally been victorious.

Posted by: jack | October 28, 2007 11:43 PM | Report abuse

kb, your 8:33 reminded me of a prof i know. he was utterly convinced of the irreversible decline of western civilization as we know it (in this country) when there was no mass protests over the suspension of habeas corpus. sadly, he may be right.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 28, 2007 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Lemme be the first (?)-- congrats, Maggie and Scotty

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 29, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

That's it. It's over. I'm exhausted. Going to bed.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 29, 2007 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Red Sox rock.

Patriots rock.

New England rocks.


Posted by: birdie | October 29, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Congrats, Scotty, Maggie, and the rest of you Red Sox fans.

Geez, with that and the Pats' shellacking of the Washington NFL franchise (oy vey), it's been quite an evening for New England sports fans. (Not even going to mention the latest BCS polls that have Boston College ranked as #2...)

Scottynuke and I discussed the Celtics' prospects for the NBA regular season, and we agreed that they look pretty good in the East/Atlantic division...


Posted by: bc | October 29, 2007 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to the Red Sox nation and all their fans!!


Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 29, 2007 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations, Maggie, Sneaks, Snuke, Boston fans everywhere!

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 29, 2007 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Demonstrations in Boston, no doubt.

So much for the effects of thin, dry air.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | October 29, 2007 12:47 AM | Report abuse

It's from all those beans, Dave.

'Morning, Boodle.

Well, here's how we watch the Obama campaign self-destruct: "Obama Seeks a Revival of Faith."
"Presidential contender launches a three-city gospel concert series across South Carolina."

This is gonna be sad to watch.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 29, 2007 5:49 AM | Report abuse

*faxing Scotty, Maggie and Sneaks a fresh pot of coffee and some croissants. They're gonna have a tough time dragging their butts outa bed and getting to work after last night. But shhhhhh...let 'em sleep in. They've earned it*

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 29, 2007 5:51 AM | Report abuse

I watched the sixth inning last night. Baseball is still boring. I'm good for another year.

While the set was on my wife noticed the 52-7 score crawl by. She asked "Is that for real? That sounds like a college score. Like when Florida plays Southern Illinois."


Here's hoping all the sports fans get an extra shot in their latte this morning.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 29, 2007 6:48 AM | Report abuse

he best thing about the WS win is that Red Sox Nation can go back to a regular bedtime. Very happy for the team, especially the rookies and Mike Lowell,the MVP. If we don't resign him, I'll be very upset.

Now I just have to figure out how I'll make it thru the day without fallin asleep at my desk.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 29, 2007 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, friends. Congratulations, those of you rejoicing this morning at your team's win, and better luck next year for the losing team.

Mudge, "sad to watch" made me feel bad. Obama probably knew going into this that if a country isn't ready for a female President (and I don't agree with that assessment) then more than likely it certainly isn't ready for an African-American President. Being the smart individual he is, I think he pretty much knew what he was getting into. Perhaps he is a man of faith, I don't know this to be a fact, and wants to put his trust somewhere else.

yello, you're right about finding one thing wrong, and deeming the whole thing wrong. I don't know, this just might turn out to be a nightmare of an election. I think it is going to be worse than Bush-Gore, with all the red and blue states. And let us not leave out the biggest impact, RACE. That my friend is the total undercurrent of a lot stuff. We don't want to admit that, but it is true. Some folks are afraid their country might be getting out of their hands, so to speak,and nothing moblizes people like fear and race. That was probably the case with the present administration, I mean why else do we have it? There are a lot of situations and ideas at play here, the object is to find out the root cause, and in finding it out, be brave enough to admit it. Think so?

kb, somehow I don't see Congress joining together for the national good, unless maybe we're getting ready to go to war or getting hit by another country. These folks have to get elected at home, and then they want to keep those jobs. They going to do what will keep them in office. Pandering to whatever the current fear is. We're a country described as a democracy, but we're looking more and more like the folks we call bad. We're leaning that way big time. It's as though we become afraid of democracy, like it's a bad thing. Like we need to change up. But my question is change up to what?

It is so cold outside this morning. I'm on my way to that laundry room. Have a great day.

I did not get a chance to make any of the programs yesterday at the church. I sat down, and the body gave out. When I opened my eyes, the programs were over, and so was I.

Morning, Scotty, Mudge, Slyness, and all.*waving*

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Cassandra S | October 29, 2007 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' all...

Not being a sports fan, I didn't miss missing the games, but congrats and sympathies to all who cared enough to pay attention.

Regarding the PD#51 thing...

Unless there was a mass -- as in very mass -- revolt, nothing can be done. They've got warrantless wiretapping. They've got waterboarding. If you're a threat to the state, they can arrest you and send you off to who-knows-where and even your family won't know where or how to possibly get you released.

Congress is impotent, just the way Cheney wanted it. Even with a Dem majority, the majority can't (or won't) do anything without blessings from the White House.

Welcome to the New New Deal.

That said, I'm obviously still kicking but screaming much less. The fairy door biz is booming like crazy. I'm now on meds (finally got to see the doc at the clinic) and I'm not sure whether they're helping or making things worse, but at least I'm getting things done (can operate power tools and a 'puter, but too afraid to drive a car).

Shameless plug:

Can't remember who turned me on to Etsy (was it dr? dmd? doh!) but I want to thank whoever it was... sales there are great and it's a great community of artisans to boot.

Peace out :-)

Posted by: martooni | October 29, 2007 7:55 AM | Report abuse

*very-droopy-eyed-but-really-really-really-happy Grover waves*

It would have been nicer if Comcast's local office hadn't lost power at the start of the bottom of the eighth... I listened to EPSN Radio and finally settled on watching the ESPN crawl... *SIGH*


Posted by: Scottynuke | October 29, 2007 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Oh Scotty, how awful. Do you have access to satellite TV? I've been thinking about switching and if Comcast had died on me last night I would be calling to make the switch this morning! Yesterday was the best sports day in a long time around here.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 29, 2007 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Last night I asked Mr. F his thoughts on the odds of an Iran invasion before this administration is over. He thinks the loud voices in favor, save Darth, have all departed and he believes the vp's influence is greatly diminished (though still stronger than any previous vp). Beyond that he thinks it's a moot point. No ground troops left to send and air strikes would just rile the Iranians up.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 29, 2007 8:08 AM | Report abuse

That Herald Hunt sounds like a lot of fun. The clues I looked at seemed mighty hard, but I guess they have to be. The WaPo should start one. Get Weingarten to write the clues and have Kornheiser MC it. Could be a lot of fun as long as they didn't let lawyers argue over the clues.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 29, 2007 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Morning, everybody, hey, Cassandra.

It's a crisp 31 degrees here in the mountains, with a cloudless sky. Makes a body happy to be alive!

I hope you got the rest you needed, Cassandra. Doing what the body requires is generally a good idea.

martooni, good to hear from you. Hope everything will continue to improve. We're rooting for you! But you knew that.

Frosti, I'm glad to hear Mr. F's assessment. I still think mass demonstrations would be effective. There's not jail space enough for all 150 million of us who would be in the streets. And if the law enforcement officers go along, what could the president do? Consent of the governed is not an idle phrase.

Mr. T has decided that today will be a play day. We've worked hard and deserve a day off. So there's no telling what trouble we'll get into. ;-)

Posted by: Slyness | October 29, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Martooni, those fairy doors are absolutely beautiful! Good luck in your business.

Posted by: rainforest | October 29, 2007 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Headline on WaPo homepage this morning could be just a matter of fill in the blanks...

U.S. Promises on [Blank] Don't Match Actions

Indecision on whether to [blank], along with turnover of key advisers keeps president from maintaining focus.

Posted by: TBG | October 29, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

WaPo Headline Mad Libs! What a great idea.

My choices are "cheese" and "global warming"

Posted by: yellojkt | October 29, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

All that Woodstock museum needs is a name change. The "Ronald Reagan Wasn't at Woodstock Museum Bill" would pass through Congress "like crap through a goose" as George C. Scott would say.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | October 29, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Slyness and rainforest.

Now up to 36F here (was 27F when I got up) and we just might hit 50F today. Brrrrrrrr..... I am so not ready for winter.

Posted by: martooni | October 29, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Redskins 7; Patriots 52. We will speak of this no more.

Posted by: ebtnut | October 29, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Etsy was me, martooni. Glad to hear it's going well!

I'm planning on setting up my shop there mid-November.

Have you thought of doing a special Christmas elves door? Lots of people collect Christmas items.
The Etsy "Showcase" option is really inexpensive and would give your work extra exposure.

Posted by: dbG | October 29, 2007 9:27 AM | Report abuse


Many bad words were uttered in the direction of Comcast last night, believe me. Even though I can't REALLY blame them for a power outage. They COULD have had a backup generator, though.


Posted by: Scottynuke | October 29, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: icelandgirl | October 29, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

I, too, suffered through that eighth inning Adelphia cable outage, though it didn't hurt me as much as that New England/Washington football game. OW!

I did call Scottynuke to congratulate him when I saw the final score on the ESPN SportsCenter crawl...

Cassandra, I'm curious: what issues have you seen with the Obama campaign that have specifically to do with race?


Posted by: bc | October 29, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

That etsy sit looks like a really great portal for the craftsy set. Good luck with the fairy doors, martooni. The pictures look fantastic.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 29, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

This story made me chuckle this morning, faxing Atlas to the US State Dept./Disney.

Posted by: dmd | October 29, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

From Merriam Webster-

"Main Entry:
Greek hybris
: exaggerated pride or self-confidence"

From Wikipedia-

"In its modern usage, hubris denotes overconfident pride and arrogance; it is often associated with a lack of knowledge, interest in, and exploration of history, combined with a lack of humility. An accusation of hubris often implies that suffering or punishment will follow, similar to the occasional pairing of hubris and Nemesis in the Greek world. The proverb "pride goes before a fall" is thought to sum up the modern definition of hubris."

The contemporary example of hubris would be a football coach whose team is leading 40-0 in the fourth quarter who elects to have his starting quarterback sneak the ball on forth and short in order to retain possession and keep scoring. Nemesis would be a season ending injury to said player on such a meaningless play.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | October 29, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Cool site, martooni.

The new Password is... chromosomal anomaly...

Posted by: jack | October 29, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Martooni, this may be the time of year to start a line of Santa's Workshop and similar kinds of doors. Like: "Santa's Workshop: Elves Entrance Only. Deliveries Around Back."

Is it possible to develop post-traumatic stress disorder from watching a football game? I watched "The Bourne Supremacy" last night and feel about the Skins game like Jason Bourne: I have amnesia, and am blocking out some really bad experience that just happened. I have dreams about being molested by a badly dressed man in a serape-like raggedy-sleeved sweatshirt and a headset. All I want to do is go to India and sit on the beach and eat curry and watch the waves roll in.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 29, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Don't complain too much about the cool weather, we had some snowflakes coming down during the Pats/Skins game yesterday and it was -6C/21F this morning. Who was that hobo with the headset on the Pats sideline by the way?
The good thing about fall weather is the return of the slow-cooked stews and roast, we had a very good Flemish carbonnade to conclude the afternoon of leaf raking and bagging.

Glad to see the heathens won over the Christians in baseball, this concept of an Evangelical professional sports team is just plain ridiculous. Money still beat faith, in baseball at least.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 29, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Yes K-guy, I stopped watching mid-fourth quarter with the Pats ahead 38-zip and driving hard for a touchdown. It is a little rich for me but then, they are really good.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 29, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Shriek, did you get that Flemish carbonnade recipe from America's Test Kitchen? Because I was reading that very recipe yesterday, and it looked great. What kind of beer/ale did you use?

Speaking of cold, it is 68 degrees in my office this morning and we're freezing our XXXXXXXXXX off. I've already called the facilities people and asked them to jack up the heat.

Last week I made some killer faux-beef vegatable soup that was to die for (been eating it all week at work). It is "faux" because I used ground turkey instead of hamburger. I'll send anybody the recipe who wants it.

Yoki, did you bake the pie?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 29, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

dbG... I *knew* it was one of you "d" people, just couldn't remember which. Seriously, thanks for pointing me there.

icelandgirl... that was a great article -- maybe I need to open a shop in Reykjavik. Thanks!

And thanks all around for the compliments on my little store. I know Wilbrod is our resident gnome and I don't want to step on her toes, but in making these doors I've found my "inner gnome" and have embraced him (in a purely platonic way, of course).

My name is martooni and I am a gnome.

Hear me giggle.


Posted by: martooni | October 29, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

What a wonderful place Martooni. I echo the sentiments to go elvish for the holidays.

During dinner last evening we were talking about the California fires. Recall the really big waterbomber from Vancouver Island that someone or other posted about? Turns out GF of Stickman who hails from out there has a cousin who is on the maintenance crew for it. He is in California working right as we speak.

Its a small world after all, Its a small world after all.

(gratutitous tune cootie brought to you by disney)

Congrats to all the Soxers and commiserations to all the Colorado fans.

Posted by: dr | October 29, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I think I'd like to revise my earlier example. If the Patriots win all their games this year (a distinct possibility), and if NFL Commish Roger Goodell (who punishes players right and left for off the field actions which reflect badly on the league but apparently has little interest in the integrity of the game itself) had followed my advice and compelled the Pats to forfeit the NY Jets game after they were caught cheating, then their "perfect" season would officially be a one loss season and THAT would be Nemesis.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | October 29, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, I respectfully disagree. I think gender is a bigger issue in this election than race. If Obama loses, it will be because of his inexperience first, race second (WP/ABC poll shows HRC with a 13% lead over Obama in the African-American vote). If HRC loses, it will be because of her gender first, her husband second.
An African American man could vote in this country 40+ years before any woman; an African American man could borrow money from a bank w-a-a-a-y before any woman could. If these facts, taken together with others, (e.g., first woman in Congress, 1917; first African American in Congress, 1870) indicate a trend, Obama has a better chance than HRC.
But what do I know?

Posted by: LostInThought | October 29, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I posted a new kit, fyi.

Methinks the game between the Pats and the Skins wasn't as close as the score indicated.

Posted by: Achenbach | October 29, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, I've been making carbonnade for years, I don't follow a recipe anymore. I splurged on imported beer for this one. The good monks of the Abbeye of Leffe (Belgium, hello Eurotrash!) know their brewski, that's for sure. I have used all kinds of beer (Harp, Chouffe, Mort Subite, Stella Artois, some local micro-brewery stuff, Sleeman dark, etc), everything works as long as a strong tasting beer is used. It is definitively NOT Miller time and this Bud is NOT for carbonnade.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 29, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse


I'm very, very glad to hear that you are getting some meds to help you out. I hope they can adjust them to make them work better. It's also great to hear that the fairy doors are taking off. You do beautiful work.

Posted by: pj | October 29, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

You wouldn't beleive Haight Street, all these years later. So many tourists.

Sorry to be on topic.

Posted by: lwps | October 29, 2007 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again. The background female voice (higher tone, I believe but I have a tin ear) is the one to follow in French. The dominant voice has a poor accent.

Here is my take on it:
Il Faut Qu'il Vienne le Temps"
Lyrics by Hugues Aufray
Transcribed and Translated by Patricia McIlveen and Shrieking Denizen

Je voudrais bien ouvrir mon cœur (I fain would open my heart)
Car il est plein de nos malheurs. (For it is full of sorrow)
Non, jamais plus ne reviendra (We can never reclaim )
Le temps perdu de nos combats. (The time we've lost to war).

Ce pauvre monde est tout couvert (this sorry world is covered)
De trop de bombes et de poussière (of too much bombs and dust)
Il faut qu'il vienne le temps promis
Le temps de paix, le temps de vie.
Je voudrais bien ouvrir mon cœur
Car il est plein de nos malheurs.
Non, jamais plus ne reviendra
Le temps perdu de nos combats.

Quand les colères seront tombées (when angsts will have abated)
La terre entière pourra chanter, (the entire world could sing)
Des mots nouveaux, des mots de paix. (The good news, the song of peace)
Pour les troupeaux et les bergers. (For the flocks and for the shepherds)
Je voudrais bien ouvrir mon cœur
Car il est plein de nos malheurs.
Non, jamais plus ne reviendra
Le temps perdu de nos combats.

I fain would open my heart (Je voudrais bien ouvrir mon cœur)
For it is full of sorrow. (Car il est plein de nos malheurs.)
We can never reclaim (Non, jamais plus ne reviendra
The time we've lost to war. (Le temps perdu de nos combats.)

I took a chance and posted our translated lyricks to H. Aufray's website for confirmation. Let just see what happens.

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