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No Joy in Mudville if You're Barry Bonds

Here's the story.

Would they send the home run champ to the slammer?

Using sterioids is cheating; perjury is a crime. This ratchets things up a lot. I'm not sure even those of us who are die-hard Hank Aaron fans, and who couldn't bring ourselves to clap for Barry, would want to see him behind bars.

An asterisk would be enough.

The whole sport needs to be cleaned up, along with cycling, track & field, football and so on. (At some point the fans will collectively realize that, when we watch professional football players crashing into one another -- 340-pound guys who run the 40 in 4.6 -- we're watching guys who will be barely able to walk when they're 50 years old.)

One thing for sure: Bonds has hit his last major league home run.

By Joel Achenbach  |  November 15, 2007; 5:43 PM ET
 
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First again. Something tells me that's not something I should be proud of.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 15, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Did you use steroids to be first, yello?

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 15, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow, a litter of kit'ns.

k'guy, that was priceless.

Can't believe it. I went upstairs to get OK the exact title, and CP beat me to recommending _The Spirituality of Imperfection_. It doesn't tell you how not to be manipulated, but offers a lot of understanding to bolster your intuition, as well as ways others have responded to many alcoholic characteristics. The book really grows on you.

As Wilbrod said, therapy or a group too. You can't change what they're doing, but you can change what you're doing. Every choice becomes a dilemma, but at least you begin seeing choices and know why you're staying or leaving . . . For some reason, _The Dance of Anger_ also comes to mind.

OK, you've got a lot of support here. Don't be a stranger.

Posted by: dbG | November 15, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Joel has made the point in earlier kits that, even factoring in the steroids, Barry Bonds deserves credit for his unique athletic accomplishments. And I agree. Looked at in isolation the asterisk probably is enough.

But I wonder, though, if there isn't a larger issue here. As uncomfortable as I am with the notion of "setting an example" by over-prosecuting a high profile person, maybe, just maybe, this will kick some sense into athletes.

I like to think that somewhere a promising young athlete is looking at a bottle of pills and tossing them because of what happened to Bonds.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 15, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Strike three

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 15, 2007 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Mr. T, ever the cynic, said, "If OJ Simpson can get away with murder, Barry Bonds can get away with perjury." Will be interesting to watch...

Twenty-eight degrees and snowing in the high country. Just flurries, though. OTOH, the ski resorts are making snow in a biggg way:

http://www.highcountrywebcams.com/webcameras_appalachian.htm

(This is slope we can see from the front porch, when the leaves are gone.)

Posted by: Slyness | November 15, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Nice try, Achenbach, but it's going to take more than creating four kits in two days to get rid of me. Though I kind of feel like the puppy taken for "a ride in the country".

Posted by: SonofCarl | November 15, 2007 8:05 PM | Report abuse

That sounds fun, SoC, right?

I mean, the gnome and I go on rides in the country all the time and I'm always dreaming of getting out to chase the deer and sniffing in the woods like on a real trail walk, and then we usually wind up at some lousy building where I'm expected to be around people yakking and I wag my tail and then eventually I ignore them and dream of deer and the smell of smoky woods instead.

That's what you mean, SoC, right? Why the scare quotes? Whimper.


Posted by: Wilbrodog | November 15, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey Joel! Tilly left a great comment at the end of the last boodle. It should do wonders for that annoying neurochemical buzz.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 15, 2007 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Disturbing story on foxes and coyotes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/15/AR2007111502113.html?hpid=artslot

I have seen both in my community and we seem to be coexisting fairly well.

On a lighter note, several kits ago we were talking about genius. Right now on AMC is Blazing Saddles where Mel Brooks genius was at its best.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 15, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Howdy, NewKitsters! I was all for acknowledging Bonds's legitimate talent, and for the asterisk as punishment. However, as RD says, there is a gulf between steroid use and the crime of perjury. Also, Slyness, it is probably easier to prove Bonds guilty of perjury than OJ of murder. Usually a prosecutor won't bring a perjury charge like this unless it is a gimme. As I used to say to my clients, don't lie on the stand. Or, as I say in my current job, he shouldn't have done that. Criminal law isn't very good at delicacy.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 15, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse

My apologies, Joel. That wasn't RD, it was from the Kit. And very true too.

I briefly dated a professional football player, after he had hung up his cleats and pads for business school. I think he liked me because I'm not remotely interested in football. My two questions: (a) why do pro football players all seem to sell insurance at some point after they stop playing; and (b) how can you play hurt? As to (a), he pointed out that insurance is an easy gig for people who have high name recognition, and (b) he said what with the adrenaline, being paid to do the job, and one thing and another, you don't necessarily notice the pain at the time.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 15, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Here's Tilly's comment from previous kit:

Neurochemical scuzzz. Come on! You really question the reaches of Achenblog fame? Why (do we do that)? Perhaps it could get worse... I could confess that I was paid by your closest relative to read and quote the blog and so...AHHHHHH.
Now wake up!
It's all about a network. You could have networks of lunatic strangers reaching out for limelight- or you could have closest friends and relatives spreading your insight though society. Krisse is my best friend, and for the last couple years she keeps me hitting your blog for the funniest bits of your writing- like when the turkey caught fire...was that just a year ago?
I thought When Genius Bombs was really really good. Norman Mailler's daughter, by the way of networking, is my kids art teacher. What a shadow she lives with!
Anyway I am honored and thrilled to sit in your limelight for a moment. (Did my mom pay you?)- Tilly

Posted by: Achenbach | November 15, 2007 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I think there's a balance between many single item Kits versus Kits with many topics. Today's Kits are making me a bit dizzy (or maybe I'm still jet-lagged). Just kidding! Anything to keep Joel blogging.

Tilly, that's a great thought about networks. The Boodle is a wonderful example of people who would never have gotten together otherwise, and we fly off in all sorts of directions. Way kewl.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 15, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Tilly is right. We have a living, changing network spreading humor, science, philosophy, random thoughts, gardening, lagomorphs and civility across the Net. Why, without the Achenblog I never would have seen Tilly's work, and my life would have been poorer for it. Life's rich pageant, I tell you, life's rich pageant.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 15, 2007 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget the knitting, Ivansmom. And the recipes. And the book lists.

CBS News did a story on Free Rice tonight - very good, with grade school kids excited about picking the right words and helping others. I bet it's on their website, but I'm still too scattered to provide a link. A thousand apologies. Congrats to kb for making Weingarten's list, and Science Tim too. The highest I got the other night was 47.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 15, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of books, I finally finished Ackroyd's "London: A Biography" (very good, comprehensive) and have begun "Captured by Aliens". The first few pages are riveting. I plan to read the Boy the paragraph on how scientific experiment usually works.

Speaking of reading to the Boy, it is that time again. Vaya con queso and fondue.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 15, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Sterioids?

Also, Ivansmom, don't forget the legumes.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 15, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

And perkiness. This blog would be nothing without it quotient of perkiness.

(I threw "quotient" in there because I got up to 49 on the rice madness, and then dropped to the 45-46 range and couldn't break out of it. And, like, we like words 'n' stuff.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 15, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Frustrating, isn't it, Mudge? And, darn it, I KNOW what a ewer is!

Posted by: Slyness | November 15, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"The whole sport needs to be cleaned up, along with cycling, track & field, football and so on."

Therein lies the problem. How? Ain't so simple boss.

Posted by: bill everything | November 15, 2007 10:23 PM | Report abuse

bill everything I would agree with you, we have a friend a former world class athlete, we have spoken many times about the widespread steriod use in the sport - there is no shame in using steriods, the shame was if you got caught.

Posted by: dmd | November 15, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Worse, a parent of a high school footballer in a metropolitan area that might have a professional football team with a quarterback by the name of Peyton "six interceptions" Manning said that the peer pressure to take steroids is almost overwhelming.

Posted by: bill everything | November 15, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I must have donated over 4000 grains of rice before I broke 50. Keep trying and learnin'. One thing that bugs me about that game is that I start making errors on the words I know cold if I play it too long, just because my brain develops the mental calluses that all editors know too well.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 15, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

A bicycling enthusiast friend claims that if other athletes were put to the scrutiny that bicyclists were, there would be no pro sports.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 15, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty tempting to use steroids, EPO or whatever for the kids and for the elite atletes. The guys with the biggest arms in the gym are the steroid&supplement users. The skinny young man in the minors with an eye for the ball looks at A-Rod $275 million contract (that is more than the GNP of many small countries!) and decides he would rather hit home runs than doubles. The good cyclist finishing in the peloton decides that she or he would like to be in the lead group for a change. They are just trying to keep ahead of the testing capabilities. See Balco's "Clear" products.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | November 15, 2007 10:44 PM | Report abuse

"And, darn it, I KNOW what a ewer is!"

Years ago I bought a thank-you card with drawings of a ewer and a storm grate on the front. The inside of the card said "Ewer grate." I loved that card and wish I had bought a couple dozen of them!

Posted by: pj | November 15, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Apparently athletics are a big deal with respect to college admissions, especially for elite private colleges. ("Reclaiming the Game: College Sports and Educational Values", Princeton Univ. Press).

So could steroids be showing up in kids seeking so they can be recommended for admission by college coaches?

(The whole sports thing is alien to me, as it was to my father).

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | November 16, 2007 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Re: The Boddle

Last weekend husband and I made a vat of Mudge's vegetable soup. Husband looked at me and asked where I got the recipe, because I have a long string of soup failures in my recent past.

I told husband the recipe came from an imaginary friend. Husband knows which imaginary friends I meant and told me I was selling my friends short.

This group does touch even quiet lurking participants.

Posted by: Pacifica | November 16, 2007 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Hehehe. From the front page:

SUV Fuel Standards Rejected
Federal court rules that new fuel economy targets fail to asses larger impact of greenhouse gases.

Posted by: dbG | November 16, 2007 4:17 AM | Report abuse

Interesting article indeed, dbG...

Too bad not every Boodler can comment on it... *tee hee* :-)

And of course, one of the comments over on the article was from an SUV owner crying that trucks MUST get lower mileage so people can tow their boats to California to support the economy... *RME*

Sure, larger vehicles can't be as efficient as smaller ones, but there certainly is more that can be done to trade power for fuel economy.

*TGIF Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 16, 2007 5:07 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, friends. Hello, daiwanlan, and how are you doing?

Morning, Mudge, Slyness, Scotty, and all.*waving*

Well as the kit indicated, Barry Bonds is back in the news. Somehow I kind of though he wasn't going to go away. I don't know Barry Bonds on a personal level, and I am not a fan of baseball, but I felt that after he made his historic contribution to the game, it and him would be villified, and the accomplishment put in the hall of not counting in the least. Perhaps he did use steriods, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure he is not the only one, and to be fair all of them need to be put in the spotlight. If it could not be proved that he used steriods, the next best chance of winning a case is to say he lied. That what we do for our elected officials, at least for some of them. But I guess it's all in who you know, right? During this time of our history, saying that he lied, one would think a medal was in order, you know just to enhance the baseball record. You think?

Did not get a chance to stay for the whole dinner yesterday. The g-girl came back and promptly went to sleep at the table.

Have a great day, folks. It is very cold here, a nice turn of the weather, and yes, we did get a little rain.

Eugene Robinson's editorial piece this morning is a must read. It seems some lady in South Carolina posed a question to John McCain about beating Clinton and used the word "b....". I believe McCain may have laughed, but later thought better of it.

I've just read a letter in our local paper from a woman in South Carolina espousing the virtues of slavery. I am seriously considering writing a letter myself, but I need coffee before making that attempt or else my letter will not see the light of day.

I sincerely hate it when people say I am not my parents or my ancestors when they talk about slavery and racism in this country. That generation is dead, but we still have the same mind set, so evidently something was left.

Have a great day, folks.

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Cassandra S | November 16, 2007 5:11 AM | Report abuse

Excuse the repetition in the above post, coffee needed badly. I've been up so long.

Posted by: Cassandra S | November 16, 2007 5:23 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle, Cassandra, Scotty.

Pacifica, glad you and hubby liked the soup. I'd ask you to fax me some leftovers, but they're probably gone by now. I know they don't last 24 hours in our house.

Are you interested in trying my killer green beans recipe for Thanksgiving? (It's a pretty fair amount of work, and more so when combined with all the other turkey cooking chores. I'd recommend it if you were going to take it to somebody else's house, though. I'll re-post it later today.)

Scotty, what's RME mean?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 16, 2007 6:14 AM | Report abuse

RME is Rolling My Eyes

Posted by: Anonymous | November 16, 2007 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Morning Cassandra, 'Mudge!! :-)

Thank you, nameless Boodler, you are correct in defining RME.

*off to find more coffee*

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 16, 2007 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, everybody! 23 degrees and windy here in the high country this morning. Mr. T's goal for the day is to find the perfect Christmas tree and tag it so we can go back tomorrow or next weekend and cut it.

Cassandra, I know a few folks whose attitudes might be improved by a spell in slavery, but none of them are African American. Seriously, why do editors publish these missives? It just goes to prove how stupid some people are.

pj, loved the ewer grate card story. Of course, you have to be into obscure words to get that pun!

Posted by: Slyness | November 16, 2007 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' All...

No comment on the Barry Bonds thing (or doping in sports in general). Sports are so far out on the fringe of my awareness and interest that I really don't care what they do. Let'em all smoke crack... doesn't affect me none.

We've had our first snow here. Not a lot, but almost enough to cover the grass. And it's cold -- temp at 30F right now -- which wreaks havoc in my shop. Paints start separating, lacquer won't dry. Not to mention it's not very comfortable. But I'm learning tricks to get around it (namely, bring the paints into the house at night and finished pieces inside to dry). I have a little heater out there, but unless you're sitting on it and your pants catch fire, you don't even notice it's there.

Been up since 3:30 (change of meds), but I did get all my shipping prep for today finished off. Time for a nap, I think.

Peace :-)

Posted by: martooni | November 16, 2007 7:36 AM | Report abuse

And in the "no surprise" department...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/15/AR2007111502550.html?hpid=topnews

*SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 16, 2007 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Gee, what a shocker, s'nuke. If only Joel had given us a heads up:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/achenblog/2006/04/smithsonian_mulls_climate_chan.html

It's good to be ahead of the curve on this.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 16, 2007 8:35 AM | Report abuse

My point 'zactly, yellojkt. Wonder how the Post crew knew where to look?

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 16, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Would be nice if the Natural History Museum somehow obtained a vast private endowment, and moved off the Mall. Amazing how political "natural history" has become.

It's been a long time since I've been lectured on the virtues of slavery. Along those lines, Bernard Bailyn's "Voyagers to the West" made white readers queasy by presenting historic newspaper advertisements seeking the return of "indentured servants", with speculative portraits of the servants (plus an auction scene).

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | November 16, 2007 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, I just read the letter to the editor your referred to, I can understand why you are upset.

Posted by: dmd | November 16, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Slyness comments: "Cassandra, I know a few folks whose attitudes might be improved by a spell in slavery, but none of them are African American. Seriously, why do editors publish these missives? It just goes to prove how stupid some people are."

Answered your own question. You can call racist idiot scum-buckets what they are, and be written off as an over-reacting strident loon; or, you can let them prove your point in their own words.

"This American Life" from this past weekend was a reprise of material from a show 10 years ago, on the election of Harold Washington as Chicago's first black mayor. The show opened with an excerpt from a radio call-in show on which Washington appeared. A guy called and asked, now that Washington had been elected, would his first act as mayor be to replace the elevator cars in City Hall with vines? I tell you, newspapers and radio don't let you write words forceful enough to condemn that guy as strongly as he condemned himself and his ideas with his own stupid words.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 16, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

DotC, sometimes I wonder how being an *exempt* worker in the for-profit sector is different from being an indentured servant.

Posted by: dbG | November 16, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse

In other news: I installed a security patch from Apple yesterday, and today I find that I have automatic spell-checking when typing text like this. Or, did I always have it and I had just learned not to notice?

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 16, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse

From the Robinson column:

"The expletive in question is a highly derogatory word used by rappers to describe the scantily clad women who gyrate in the background of racy music videos."

Someone called Hillary a "ho"?!

'It's the word that former first lady Barbara Bush was hinting at when someone asked her opinion of Geraldine Ferraro and she replied, "I can't say it, but it rhymes with rich."'

Nevermind.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 16, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Marcela Sanchez (Desde Washington) has a nice piece on "why don't you shut up" as said by the King of Spain to the President of Venezuela.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/15/AR2007111501455.html?hpid=news-col-blog

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | November 16, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Warning: stunningly off-topic post ahead. Feel free to scroll away.

Howdy, y'all, and a Happy Centennial Statehood Day to you. Yes, Oklahoma celebrates 100 years of statehood today. I love this state, but love looks at truth. Here are some truths about Oklahoma history which enrich and complicate our commemmoration of this milestone.

Oklahoma was part of the Louisiana Purchase. Given our varied terrain and extreme weather, nobody much wanted to live here. The US government used the land to resettle various Indian tribes who lived in more attractive areas. The most infamous of these resettlements was the Trail of Tears. Whole nations marched, on foot, from the southeastern US. These were landowners and homeowners. They lost everything, and many died. The Five Civilized Tribes (Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek and Seminole) were settled in eastern Oklahoma in Indian Territory. The warring plains tribes got the arid western part of the state. Given jurisdictional and terrain issues, Oklahoma became a No Man's Land, an outlaw haven. As westward expansion accelerated, even Oklahoma began to look good to the government. It broke treaties right and left and opened the land to settlement in a series of Land Runs beginninng in 1889. Now, some people who made those Land Runs were entrepeneurs and investors. However, most of these folks were not successful in their home states. Trouble with the law, bad at business, failed at farming -- for whatever reason, Oklahoma was their last best chance at a new start. I'm not condescending here; my great-grandfather made the 1889 Land Run and claimed the property I live on now. "Oklahoma" means, loosely, Land of the Red People. You could say Oklahoma means the land of people who were forced there or had nowhere better to go. That's not the end of the story. The tribes who survived and the settlers who stayed all shared spirit, determination, and a knack for hard work. They also valued perseverance and community. These are still part of the Oklahoma character.

The state has spent the year holding celebrations and events. We have also worked on building for the next 100 years. Statewide, communities large, small and tiny have used the Centennial year to initiate and complete capital improvements and arts projects. We have reflected on and discussed how we all -- tribal and non-tribal citizens -- got here, and how we can move forward together in the future. We've used this time to look at our strengths and weaknesses, and plan how to address each of them. In fact, we've turned what could have been a shallow feel-good tourism promotion into a substantive, focused opportunity for growth. Although we also have the feel-good tourism component. Y'all come visit, y'hear?

The Boy and I will attend the statehood re-enactment gala today in Guthrie, former seat of the state Capitol (Oklahoma City stole the state seal and moved the Capitol shortly after statehood). Then we'll have a Centennial party to watch the big big show, courtesy of public television, while consuming made-in-Oklahoma food and drink. I hope your day goes as well!

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 16, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Some of the best people come from Oklahoma, you know. Or at least have relatives who did.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 16, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Warning to dentists: don't try to drill and dance at the same time (link provided by Dubner and Levitt's Freakonomics blog)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/11/02/national/a112310D90.DTL&type=bondage

Posted by: Loomis | November 16, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Paul Farhi adds an interesting insight to the troubles of Barry Bonds.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/15/AR2007111502848.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 16, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

This is for you, Ivansmom, with salutations on the occasion of the anniversary of Oklahoma's statehood. Logically this should be followed up with PPL's "I'll Fix Your Flat tire, Merle".

We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee;
We don't take our trips on LSD
We don't burn our draft cards down on Main Street;
We like livin' right, and bein' free.

I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee,
A place where even squares can have a ball
We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
And white lightnin's still the biggest thrill of all

We don't make a party out of lovin';
We like holdin' hands and pitchin' woo;
We don't let our hair grow long and shaggy,
Like the hippies out in San Francisco do.

And I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee,
A place where even squares can have a ball.
We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
And white lightnin's still the biggest thrill of all.

Leather boots are still in style for manly footwear;
Beads and Roman sandals won't be seen.
Football's still the roughest thing on campus,
And the kids here still respect the college dean.

We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
In Muskogee, Oklahoma, USA.

Posted by: jack | November 16, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I like Farhi's mention of the movie "A Simple Plan". And the rest of his column.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | November 16, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I lived in Oklahoma for 11 years in the 70's and 80's and found many things to like there. We have many fond memories of our time there and still keep in touch with friends in Oklahoma. Oklahoma has without doubt the most beautiful state bird of all, the scissor tailed flycatcher, and the state lizard and state rock are no slouches either. But when our daughter was born my wife and I looked at each other and said "We got to get out of here before she learns to talk."

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 16, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Call me ignorant: what is "...pitchin' woo..."?

Posted by: jack | November 16, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Ivansmom... Thanks for the wonderful rundown on the history of the Great State of Oklahoma. My husband's dad comes from there and our relatives in Grove are some of my absolutely favorite people.

There are some other nice folks from Oklahoma whom I count among my friends as well... you included.

Happy Birthday Oklahoma! I hope you and your family have a great day.

Posted by: TBG | November 16, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

jack,
"Pitching woo" is what the kids (circa 1890) now call "hooking up", although they may have moved on to another euphemism altogether. My son won't friend me on Facebook, so I can't keep up with their crazy lingo.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 16, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Congrats on the 100th Ivansmom! I learned one important thing on my short visits to Oklahoma: don't go there in August.
OK city can be nice, but it is stinking hot, at night. Worse during the day.
But I am a true pink-skinned Northerner with limited resistance to heat, so YMMV.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | November 16, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, yello. That beings a whole new meaning to wooing the object of your affection.

Posted by: jack | November 16, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Wonderful recap of OK history (the state, not the new Boodler), Ivansmom. It's almost like you make a habit of telling the truth and nothing but the truth or something.

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 16, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the kind words, everyone. "Pitchin' woo", Jack, refers to courting. Actual s e x meed not be involved.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 16, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Its important to understand the past and move forward to do better. Happy Oklahoma Day. (Insert obvious and very very badly off key O----klahoma, where the...)

Posted by: dr | November 16, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Congrats on the OK Centennial. I was there for GSHP training and got a ticket at a speed trap between Route 66 and Stillwater. I did make it into OKC to visit the Federal Building Memorial and Riverfront Tourist Trap. Somber and festive respectively.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 16, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

k-guy, I haven't seen the scissor tailed flycatcher but I remember that at dusk thousands of dark birds were roosting in a small patch of very tall trees and on powerlines that were running behind the hotel I was staying at. The racket they were making was quite spectacular. At first I thought the place was overrun by cicadas but they I saw the birds. They were gone by the time I was getting outside in the morning. This was in August, at I40 and South Meridian, near a small basin. There is a go-kart track under the powerlines as well. The hotel persons were obviously not birders. Any idea what kind of birds it could be?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | November 16, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

New Kit! I've done it again.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | November 16, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Jack, I suspect you've given away your approximate age. Pitchin' woo is very similar to "courting" and "sparking" (as in Joni Mitchell's "Court and Spark").

See also: making whoopee. (Not to be confused with Whoopi Goldberg.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 16, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Ok. Pitchin' woo fits my scheme for Froggy Went a Courtin'.

Posted by: jack | November 16, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Neither does "hooking up", Tom Wolfe's tirades to the contrary. That's what is so great about ambiguous euphemisms that phrases like "knocking boots" don't have.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 16, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the heads-up, ivansmom. I only realized a couple of months ago that this was the centennial year, and I would not have known that today was the actual day.

Happy Birthday to my birthstate--I was actually born in Seminole, Oklahoma; when I moved to Florida it was either ironic or appropriate, depending on how you look at it. There are Seminole Indians here in the Sunshine State; it is the only Indian nation that survived undefeated by the U.S. Army--they never signed a peace treaty and they kept the swampland; they still have it today.

When I saw the centennial announcement my first thought was, cool--an opportunity to post some Will Rogers quotes!

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"It's easy being a humorist when you've got the whole government working for you."

"Let advertisers spend the same amount of money improving their product that they do on advertising and they wouldn't have to advertise it."

"Now if there is one thing that we do worse than any other nation, it is try and manage somebody else's affairs."

"Prohibition is better than no liquor at all."

"The 1928 Republican Convention opened with a prayer. If the Lord can see His way clear to bless the Republican Party the way it's been carrying on, then the rest of us ought to get it without even asking."

"The income tax has made liars out of more Americans than golf."

--Will Rogers

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/w/will_rogers.html

Posted by: kbertocci | November 16, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Happy birthday, Oklahoma!

Went through OK once on one of the cross-continent adventures. It was August, but low humidity.

I always assumed that line was "pitching wood" and that in the context it meant "taking cold showers".

Posted by: SonofCarl | November 16, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

No time to backboodle yet, just to say, landed home about 2 hours ago; lovely to see #1 and #2 and the boyfriend at the airport. I love Ireland. I want to live there. Even though I didn't locate Maggie O'D. Much much more later. I've missed all these imaginary friends.

Since I feel it is now about 3:00 am, I'm to bed.

Posted by: Yoki | November 16, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

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