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Currier and Ives and Bonnie Raitt and Huckabee

Last night I went to a house party for McCain in Concord, and predictably was debilitated by envy and covetousness as I toured the 14-room, circa-1895 Victorian manse with the five fireplaces and the porte-cochere or whatever the heck you call it where the carriage pulls up. [Remind me: Why don't houses have "carports" anymore?]

With 14 inches of new snow on the ground and the Christmas lights the scene was your basic Currier & Ives New England set piece. It would have been a delightful place to hang out except that it brought back painful memories of my recent trip to the new Bloomingdale's at Friendship Heights. After just 5 minutes inside I realized I can't afford to shop at the more upscale department stores, and will never be able to shop at such places unless I get a new job. A friend mentioned a gig with the tobacco lobby. I bet that pays huge bucks. People who smoke are often thin, so smoking is actually good for you. I could make that pitch.

Later this morning I'm going to Lebanon, NH, for what is supposedly going to be a John Edwards gig featuring Bonnie Raitt and Jackson Browne. I promise I will do whatever it takes to obtain a Chris Farley-esque interview with Bonnie Raitt.

[Update: Am typing in the town hall where Edwards is speaking. Raitt and Browne opened with "World in Motion" which you can see here on YouTube.]

Meanwhile, via Drudge, you might have seen this Huckebee ad on Christmas. Note the "cross" that hovers next to his head. It's the kind of ad that I am guessing will play much better in Iowa, where there is a large evangelical population, than in New Hampshire.

"Are you about worn out of all the television commercials you've been seeing, mostly about politics. I don't blame you. At this time of year sometimes it's nice to pull aside from all of that and just remember that, what really matters, is the celebration of the birth of Christ, and being with our families and our friends. I hope that you and your family have a magnificent Christmas season. And on behalf of all of us, God bless, and Merry Christmas. I'm Mike Huckabee and I approved this message."

Good point, governor, but couldn't you have said something about how hard it is to find a Wii?


This is where I want to establish the A-blog NH bureau.


Or maybe this place:


By Joel Achenbach  |  December 18, 2007; 8:15 AM ET
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Perhaps, I stumbled into first place. Back to get others.

Posted by: College Parkian | December 18, 2007 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I totally concur on the NH A-blog bureau, Joel. I know the place (and the associated skiing areas) VERY well.

Just give me advance warning if yer gonna post anything about Mr. Browne and Ms. Raitt (he said through clenched teeth).


Posted by: Scottynuke | December 18, 2007 8:53 AM | Report abuse

My favourite invocation ever of Bonnie Raitt's name occurs on John Lee Hooker's album "The Healer." He introduces her guitar solo on "In The Mood" with the words, "Baauah Ray!" or something like that.

She toured with Lyle Lovett and His Large Band years ago. Saw 'em at The Hummingbird Centre (since renamed to Some Other Corporate Entity Centre) in Toronto. Bonnie and Lyle each did full sets; both kicked a__.

Posted by: byoolin | December 18, 2007 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Folks in B'more don't even have carports. Finding a townhouse with a garage AND a walk-out basement became our realtor's nightmare, but it was done.

Carports became one car-garages which became two-car garages which became workshops which means the three-car garage with room for both cars and and the lawn tractor just isn't big enough. On your finer McMansions, the garage has become a detached carriage house with four roll-up doors connected to the house by a breezeway, which brings us right back to carports.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 8:55 AM | Report abuse

No no no, stick with the Balsams!!! Nobody votes at the Mt. Washington Hotel.... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | December 18, 2007 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Dixville Notch looks like a great place for the Remote Off-Site Boodle Bunker. Mudge and bc, get out and survey the site pronto. Make sure to get window measurements so the Wimmins Auxiliary can get knitting the depleted uranium window curtains.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 8:58 AM | Report abuse

My 1963 ranch has a carport, which is one of the main reasons I bought the house. I love it because it keeps the cars out of the weather and isn't good for storage or anything else. Number 2 daughter's car, in the driveway, is currently covered in frost. No problem with mine, happily parked in the carport!

Posted by: Slyness | December 18, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

What have Ms. R. and Mr. B. done to frost your granolas? Not that I'm a fan, or anything. Just curious.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | December 18, 2007 9:04 AM | Report abuse

It makes my brain hurt even trying to recall, Don; I'm sure our fellow Boodlers will provide the reference and spare me the agony of revisiting that episode.

*looking for a nice flat surface to pound my head against*


Posted by: Scottynuke | December 18, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

from the last boodle

CP-Huckabee appears to be the only candidate, of either party, who will join McCain in not only opposing torture but also identifying waterboarding specifically as a form of torture. Here is an interesting editorial from the Salt Lake Tribune where someone who knows what he's talking about from a military perspective takes a fellow Mormon to task.

Posted by: frostbitten | December 18, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Just because I'm feeling like a trouble-maker today, Mr. Lawyers In Love and Ms. Something To Talk About might be familiar with this website:

Just guessin'.

I saw J. Browne back in the 80s at Chastain Park in Atlanta which is one of the most yuppified venues on earth. He went into his anti-materialism rant and you could hear all the silver forks drop on the linen picnic clothes as the creme de la creme of Atlanta's conspicuous class just shook their heads in disbelief. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse


You mean I'm going to have to return your Christmas present?

It's out of stock, but I'll backorder it if you want.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Are you about worn out of all the proselytizing politicians you've been seeing, mostly Republicans. I don't blame you. At this time of year sometimes it's nice to pull aside from all of that and just remember that, what really matters, is the freedom of and from religion guaranteed by our Constitution, and being with our families and our friends. I hope that you and your family have a magnificent holiday season, be you Christian, Jew, Muslim, or atheist. And on behalf of all of us, keep freedom alive, and Happy Holidays. I'm Kurosawaguy: Lord of the Disconnect, and I approved this message.

Posted by: K:LOTD | December 18, 2007 9:18 AM | Report abuse


The mere fact that we have headlines that read "Presidential candidates and where they stand on torture" bothers me. Where do they stand on slavery, child labor, and women's suffrage? I would also ask where they stand on evolution, but the irony would be lost.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I don't know why, but for some reason I don't think I ever want to live anywhere with the word "Notch" in its name.

Posted by: TBG | December 18, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Standing O for K-Guy.

Posted by: dmd | December 18, 2007 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I have fond memories of the Mt. Washington Hotel (I'm pretty sure that's what it was called in 1973, although it's the Mt. Washington "Resort" now). I was impressed by the hotel-sized porch--they call it a verandah--with rocking chairs, lots of rocking chairs. Such a concept, go on vacation, sit in your rocking chair and gaze at the mountains, read, chat, breathe. Even as a teenager it was attractive, and now that I'm getting old it's almost like a vision of paradise.

Scotty, you need to relax about Bonnie and Jackson. They are good people and if you disagree with them on one specific issue that doesn't make them the enemy. They have done an immense amount of charity work. They have made this world a better place, and inspired others, myself among them, to work for good causes.

Posted by: kbertocci | December 18, 2007 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Wow, that "cross" is certainly a rather blatant example of pseudo-subliminal imagery. Talk about disingenuous. What is being advertised is, of course, Huckabee's credentials as a practicing Christian. Which makes it probably about as political as you can get. If he really just wanted to express his good wishes he would have avoided perpetuating the myth that unless you have an illuminated manger scene you are clearly filled with naught but materialistic greed.

This is silly. As a kid we had a lovely manger scene and I was still filled with materialistic greed. (The manger scene was lovely. It consisted of figurines passed down over many generations from both sides of the family. Which explained the seven wise men. We were never big on biblical authenticity. But I digress.)

And speaking of materialistic greed, we snagged a Wii when it first came out by standing in line for three hours. I don't know how it is done now, but I imagine paid informants are useful. It is certainly a cool gaming system to have. Although I wonder if perhaps the bowling game, and not an ill-considered program of weight lifting, is what led to my shoulder problems.

Posted by: RD Padouk | December 18, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what you're talking about JA. Back at the end of November I went to get myself a Wii for my birthday. I couldn't find it in any store, so I went online to get it. None of the usual suspects had it, so I talked to Dell. They told me it would be 10-12 business days. I ordered it on Monday night and it arrived on Wednesday afternoon. Taking into account that the order probably didn't process until Tuesday morning, I got it in the next day. Followed the day after by the TV that I had also got myself(for Christmas).

Posted by: Kerric | December 18, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Good morning. Thanks, frostbitten, for the article on torture. I just don't understand why it is so hard to say "Torture is bad", much less "I won't promote, condone, wink at or ignore torture done during my Administration."

Thanks, Joel, for the pictures. That sounds like a lovely house, and worthy of envy. I drove up to New Hampshire a couple of times for breaks in law school and as I recall the whole state is filled with picturesque areas.

Posted by: Ivansmom | December 18, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

kguy:LOTD... that was priceless! Thanks!

Posted by: TBG | December 18, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

We acquired a Wii for the Boy's birthday (late) last summer. We were unwilling to (a) stand in line early in the morning at big box stores, (b) drive to big box stores in small towns across the state, which might have one in stock; (c)pay the extra money all the online venues charged. I was, however, willing to make a daily phone call to a game store near our regular grocery. I'd say, "Any Wiis today?" and they'd say, "Nope." After about a month, they said, "We'll have a few on a truck today between noon and three." I called Ivansdad (also off for the summer) and said, guess what you two are doing today. They hung out at the store until the truck came in. Wheeee, Wii.

Posted by: Ivansmom | December 18, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I think Toles has been getting the "Error on page" messages too... *SIGH*

kbert, I certainly don't hate them. Their opinions on a certain topic is another matter entirely.

I'm sorry, yellojkt, you said something?


Posted by: Scottynuke | December 18, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Yes, kurosawaguy LOTD, if only Huckabee had risen to the occasion as well.

RD, I love that Wii bowling. I'm terrible at bowling in real life but I can often beat the Boy on Wii. This vastly annoys him.

Martooni, pneumonia is bad. I'm glad you are better. Don't get it again.

Posted by: Ivansmom | December 18, 2007 9:39 AM | Report abuse

My brother-in-law works in the computer game industry and he pulled strings to get us a Wii last Christmas. The creepiest game I've ever seen is Trauma Center: Second Opinion. You use the Wii-mote as a scalpel to perform on-screen operations.

My online avatar is the Wii mii:

I'm stunned that a year later these are still a hot ticket. I dropped a ton of hints that I want a DS-Lite with Brain Age for Christmas. We'll see if I get one. We're getting our son a 2GB memory card for his DS so he can hack it.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I also heartily approve of K:LOTD's message, FWIW.


Posted by: Scottynuke | December 18, 2007 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Kerric, a month ago it was possible, but now all there seems to be is games for the unit, not the unit itself.

But Joel, they do have Wii component cables. Might that do in a pinch?

Posted by: dr | December 18, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Most Wii games are very accessible even to us elderly people who remember thinking that Space Invaders was cool.

And I must admit I have an especially soft spot for this game.

Posted by: RD Padouk | December 18, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Were you one of the sources for this article?

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Yep, that's me second from the left.

Posted by: RD Padouk | December 18, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

RD I think space invaders was way cool,but does that make me old?

We finally got power back after 28 hours without,it was fun listening to the game on the radio,doing oil lamps and candles.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | December 18, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Bah. You folks today are so spoiled, what with your Iboxes and your Wiis. Why, back in the old days we had to play Donkey Kong with real donkeys -- and believe me, that was a mess to clean up, what with donkey poop all over the playing field. We had to play Grand Theft Auto with tumbrils and conestoga wagons, which certainly slowed things down considerably. Ever try to do a drive-by shooting with a pike? It just takes all the fun out of mindless violence. And we had to wait until they opened Ellis Island in 1892 to find some real Italian immigrants with moustaches so we could play Mario Brothers. (The Sacco-Vanzetti case pretty much brought that to a stop, since people became afraid of Italian immigrants about then. S & Z themselves were innocent, of course, but by that time between the Black Hand and the bomb-throwing anarchists, the game had lost a lot of its luster. And Luigi Mario had made his bones and become an underboss in the family of Don Cornelius, so no one wanted to play with him any more.) Pong remained pretty popular, right up until the Chinese added Ping to it, and it just completely altered the game so much that no one wanted to play the original Pong any more. And after the Tong wars got started, we couldn't play Chinese Checkers with real Chinese any more either. I'm tellin' ya, we had it tough back then.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 18, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Jeeze, RD, you're just a kid. I took you for a grownup, or something.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | December 18, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Congrats on getting back on the grid. At least you had candles. Once I run out of lantern batteries, it's Mad Max time for me.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Don Cornelius?
Was he a member of the Zaius Gang? I thought they were just a bunch of baboons.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Well naturally dr. You really shouldn't expect to be able to find one at this time of year for at least the next 2 years.

I love my wii. I get home from work, turn on the wii, check the news and tomorrows weather, then putter around on the internet. I think I only play games, on average, a half-hour to an hour a day, yet I am on it almost the whole evening. I could spend hours spinning the globe.

Posted by: Kerric | December 18, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

This reminds me, have we sent Andromeda or the Magellanic Clouds any flowers lately? Gotta keep up good relations, yanno...


Posted by: Scottynuke | December 18, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Frosti,
So, two republican candidates are clear on no torture but the democrats continue to waffle-weave?

Hillary -- yes in some cases (does she feel pressure to be tough?)

Barack -- sorta no?

Kucinich -- no (I think but the reporting tends to focus on the wife and aliens and vegan menus, etc.)

Jeezy Peezy -- as Mudge invokes occasionally.

I keep channeling Nancy Reagan in her "Just Say No to Drugs" mode.....

Yes the world is complex and evil is slippery-er than ever. But McCain is right: it is about us and how we respond. We cannot completely control the evil people are wont to inflict on one another. We do have the opportunity to act out of the better angels of humanity. Time for the politicians to re-read Victor Frankl and Elie Wiesel.

Posted by: College Parkian | December 18, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

RD, There were only 3 wise men, the other four must be the press.
Wii has a weight-lifting program? I'm lost in wonder and admiration.

Posted by: Boko999 | December 18, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

College Parkian, thanks for keeping the issue of torture, or as I like to call it, the issue of HUMAN RIGHTS alive (here on the boodle at least). I have strong opinions about it but tend to get over-emotional and make myself sick when I get started on it.

I take this issue very personally. I think, anybody who condones torture or is capable of practicing it, that person could someday, in some circumstance, be torturing ME. I sometimes look around myself and think, which of these people (colleagues, friends, strangers) would kill me if somebody told them to, and which of them would refuse. I don't buy the idea that "anybody will do anything" under the right circumstances. There have been people throughout history who went along with *whatever* and others in each era who stood up for their personal beliefs regardless of the cost. Most of us are somewhere between the extremes on that spectrum. But I heartily wish that human rights for all were NOT a controversial issue that needed to be debated in the United States of America, in the 21st century.

And by the way, I take only slight comfort from John McCain's stand against torture, in light of his adamant support for the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Does he think that watching your child die is not a form of torture?

Posted by: kbertocci | December 18, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

First K:LOTD and now kb. We are on a soapbox roll today. If only somebody ever paid attention to us.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I was driving into work just now wondering if anyone here lives in Iowa. Any "regulars" or lurkers?

Would love to hear what you have to say about the campaign. If you're nervous, remember the mantra: "Just click Submit!"

Posted by: TBG | December 18, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

yellojkt, if you are paying attention, that's good enough for me.

Posted by: kbertocci | December 18, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

KB -- torture is to be sick about. I am with you on that. And furthermore, the roots of torture are in our psyches; we must take great care as individuals -- AND NATIONS -- to strive to be good or do good (they might be the same value).

Look at the playground! Children need help to be kind, fair, and just. Bullying happens largely because of the silence and stunned consent of others. And, yes, bullying is not the same as torture inside a dark room in Guantanamo...BUT THE ROOTS are the same. We simply must see all people as worthy of dignity and respect. We can work to contain bullies (help them, even); we can work to contain terrorism (work for justice in the world and economic equity, even).

I believe that our institutions should help us rise about what are the demons of being human:

defining others as less human or less deserving of dignity.

To not understand that people can be bad -- hardwired in us -- is to be blind. And lacks both honesty and humility.

Pardon this from John's gospel: If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Other great leaders in other religions and codes get to the same point.

Woopies....soap boxing here.

Posted by: College Parkian | December 18, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

They got the caption for this picture all wrong...;_ylt=AsEgQ2N8Hs9B.7WpLC3uxORpaP0E#/071213/481/0a3392a561b74c7f98e916de53817196

"You tawkin' to ME????"


Posted by: Scottynuke | December 18, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

KGLOD -- In your funny new name, I see a wacky mash-up of some Japanese warrior from Ran with that poseur Michael Flatley dancing fool.....Lord of the Disconnected-DANCE. Forgive me, oh high one.

Thank you for the blessing. So Tiny Tim of you to:

God bless us, everyone. And this prayer from my little brother who now pushes forty if he is not there already:

God bless everyone we love and even those we don't.

Off to the gym in a rare moment of ease. Riding my bike is the warm up; but coming home is the worst of cool-downs: sweaty in this chill. But puts hair on the chest though. I transfer that reward to anyone here needing hairs-a-top so as to sport the JA flyaway look.

I shall be buff, eventually.

Posted by: College Parkian | December 18, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

That mouse has had the "Tom and Jerry" mutation.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I could use some more hair on my chest, CP; they could join the three I have now: Larry, Big Mike and Jake. (Jake's the shy one.)

BTW, I'd caution you about going to the link Scotty posted at 11:06; the "back" button doesn't work on it, and you get stuck in Yahoo all day.

I wanna add my concurrence with KGLOD's post.

And I might as well get on my soapbox, too, about torture. Although I kinda like McCain on a personal basis but could never vote for him in a zillion years, I do admire the stand he took on torture, and he's dead right. What tends to tick me off is the complete and utter disregard people --most especially in the military -- have regarding our policy, which as McCain pointed out, means that if we can torture, then so can other countries torture OUR military the same way. Would we want our soldiers and Marines in Iraq or Afghanistan waterboarded? He11's bells, we'd be outraged beyond belief if anyone did to our folks what we did at Abu Graib. He11, we were outraged at the North Vietnamese. And the one segment of society that ought to be standing up and screaming their bloody heads off about supporting the Geneva Convention is the miltary itself--and those people are dead silent on it, which I find outrageous. Their silence is going to cost them, sooner or later. You reap what you sew (to quote a source the *&^%$ evangelicals ought to be familiar with).

*climbing down off soapbox now*

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 18, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I blame Yahoo for the techincal difficulties...

*ducking into the bunker*


Posted by: Scottynuke | December 18, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Back button worked fine for me. You need to upgrade that Mosaic v1.2 browser, mudge. I use the right-click/Open In New Tab system exclusively.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Re: The mutated mouse- it's a pity that they'll never find out if this lack of fear can be inherited, for obvious reasons.

Mudge, I believe that's "reap what you sow", but I could be wrong and it is possible that you might also reap what you sew, if you were to be, say, Britney Spears wardrobe designer or some such.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | December 18, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

do the ends justify the means?

the conservatives who take absolute moral stands on certain issues
are now silent on torture and the geneva conventions.

the silence is deafening.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | December 18, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Or how about, as we used to say in Home Ec, "You rip what you sew."

Posted by: kbertocci | December 18, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh, bosh. You guys rant on about torture, but "Kurosawaguy: Lord of the Disconnect" insidiously joins the War On Christmas-- absolutely TRASHES a Christian holiday--and you all support it. Christmas is Christian, Christian, Christian, and inviting "Jew, Muslim, or atheist" to "have a magnificent holiday season" is nothing more than a clever attac...

Posted by: MedallionOfFerret | December 18, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

While we think the fearless mouse is cute, am I the only one worried that this has some sort of Jason Bourne super-soldier application somewhere down the line?

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

SC: Sow, of course. Thanks, O Disconnected One. I've been reading "Knitting Without Tears" and got all confused about sewing and sowing. So far I've managed to keep "reaping" untangled, but ya never know when that'll impode on me.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 18, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"That mouse has had the "Tom and Jerry" mutation."

I'm thinkin' more like Itchy & Scratchy.

Posted by: TBG | December 18, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Let's put the "Ch" back in Channukah! And while we're at it, let's put the "Sat" back in Saturnalia!

Posted by: kurosawaguy | December 18, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

What all of you said about torture CP, K:LOTD, kb, 'Mudge, some folks in our military have gone to prison for violations of the Geneva Conventions. Incidents involving our military violating the provisions of the Geneva Convention have and will continue to occur in the future for which nobody will be held accountable because they won't be caught/prosecuted/discovered; such is war. Our democracy, however was not established, IMO, for the purposes of making torture acceptable via approval fron the DOJ and the White House legal staff. This brought to mind a tune cootie:

Further on up the road someone's gonna hurt you like you hurt me.
Further on up the road someone's gonna hurt you like you hurt me.
Further on up the road, baby, just you wait and see.

You gotta reap just what you sow; that old saying is true.
You gotta reap just what you sow; that old saying is true.
Just like you mistreat someone, someone's gonna mistreat you.

You been laughing, pretty baby, someday you're gonna be crying.
You been laughing, pretty baby, someday you're gonna be crying.
Further on up the road you'll find out I wasn't lying.

Further on up the road someone's gonna hurt you like you hurt me.
Further on up the road someone's gonna hurt you like you hurt me.
Further on up the road, baby, just you wait and see.

Posted by: jack | December 18, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

My professional experience convinces me that, as a rule, each of us is capable of terrible things. The only question is what provocation is extreme enough to trigger actions which, for some of us, have a high price. Of course there are exceptions. However, my mantra "bad things can happen to anyone at any time" has a corollary, "anyone can be pushed to do a bad thing by extraordinary circumstances". Most of us will, fortunately, never be forced to discover our personal point of no return.

This is why I feel so strongly that torture should not be an acceptable option in our society, even in extraordinary circumstances. It is like murder -- we never want people to start thinking homicide is an appropriate method to resolve disputes. We ourselves might not agree to torture where we or our loved ones are not personally in imminent danger -- that is, we might not agree to torture based on orders from a superior or boss, or based on a feeling or policy that some situations are so important that torture of others (strangers, prisoners) is justified. Some people will agree to that, however. We know it, we've seen the pictures.

Extreme violence, whether physical or mental, has a corrosive effect on the perpetrator as well as the victim. The only way to avoid the corrosive effects of torture on society, and on each person involved in it, and to avoid the consequences of having others torture us in return, is not to torture people. I have never experienced torture from any perspective, and I know this. Why is it so difficult for so many persons in positions of power to admit it, or act on it? This isn't one of those things you should have to experience before you can acknowledge the truth.

Posted by: Ivansmom | December 18, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Kurosawaguy LOTD, yesterday I drove past a blood drive sign that advertised, "Give blood -- get a Saturn!"

My first reaction was surprise that they were giving away gods.

Posted by: Ivansmom | December 18, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

CP, ahem, tell me you didn't use the word "blind" when you really meant "ignorant"...

Getting soapboxy around here today, but I think it's good if everybody had something to rant about!

Posted by: DandyLion | December 18, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I had to get another mobile phone to replace the hopelessly antiquated model I had finally mastered. Now I have a modern device and can't do a thing with it. Maybe this explains why:

Posted by: jack | December 18, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

FYI, Sir A.C. Doyle's Giant Rat of Sumatra is real. This is the stuff of bad dreams; Ratigan incarnate:

Posted by: jack | December 18, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh. It's kind of cute.

Posted by: RD Padouk | December 18, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

jack... thanks for the tune cootie, but the sight of all those "further on up the road"s are enough to boil the blood of any editor.

Posted by: TBG | December 18, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

You guys seen this? These people are outta there minds.

What TBG just said.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 18, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't tell anyone, but the page blockers on my work network are down. I can watch youtube and read news freely again. I don't know how long this will last..

Posted by: Kerric | December 18, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

SCC: Their minds.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 18, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

DandyLion (your name is great....I almost typed it as dandyloins....which could be great in another way in another context....)

I think I meant blind metaphorically as in not seeing. But how does these work:

seeing but averting the eyes
not willing to admit to self-limitations
deliberately closing your eyes to avoid the truth

Did I offend you? Are you alerting to use of "blind" as insensitive to low or no vision people?

Posted by: College Parkian | December 18, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

This guy Edwards is a fighter. Gonna take the battle to the corporate greedheads. Still talking here in Lebanon... I added a link to a Raitt/Browne song that they sang. They sang about 5 songs, sounded great. This is MUCH more fun than a McCain event!!!

Posted by: Achenbach | December 18, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

But is there free food? 'cause everyone knows a well-fed reporter is a happy reporter.

Posted by: RD Padouk | December 18, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I once picked up a book on handwriting analysis out of curiosity. Later that day I pulled out a couple of love letters from an old ex-girlfriend. With my new found knowledge I was able to determine that she was a lying deceitful conniving selfish cheating b!tch. If only I had read that stupid book before I met her. Would have saved me a world of heartbreak.

Posted by: omni | December 18, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Joel, I grok why you're digging the Edwards/Raitt/Browne event.

It's all about the hair.

To paraphrase Dreamer/Achenfan/Tomfan, they're your Hair-Brothers...

[If you've never read "Stranger in a Strange Land," this comment will make less sense than my normal Boodle nonsense.]


Posted by: bc | December 18, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

RD, *of course* there's food and coffee there, these *are* journalists we're talking about.


Posted by: bc | December 18, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon, I watched that whole video of the flying dudes and came away dissatisfied. 1) They did not show a landing, How do they dump all that speed and land on such rough terrain? 2) There was no moose. "Moose and skvirrel, moose and skvirrel!"

Posted by: kurosawaguy | December 18, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I woke up middle of the morning and couldn't sleep and came up with a great idea that could have earned me a spot in the guest kitters pantheon. Stupid me that I am, I didn't write any of it down. It was going to be in the style of a Borowizt report. I only remember the last part.

Meanwhile in New Mexico, Alberto Ramirez Hernando Guillermo Torres is taking the state to court in a lawsuit charging government officials with exosism. In a public statement at a news conference yesterday he claims that he is not an illegal alien, but an illegal Mexican. You can deport me if you want, but I won't stand by and allow you to exocise me. I have rights as Earthling, Blah-Blah-Blah.

I could write this up better but am seriously insomnia induced sleep deprived and caffeine ain't helping.

Posted by: omni | December 18, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

guest kitters pantheon

which I misread (or wanted to read) as the
guest KNitters pantheon

Hi there MedofF: I liked K-Guy/OverLord's big tent greeting.

Christmas IS Christmas, however, it is surrounded by great company. The more candles the lighter it shall be. Nowadays -- winter weather and the winter of discontent -- light is good.

Posted by: College Parkian | December 18, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I mixed up the free campaign food mental picture -- happy well-fed reporters grooving to the music -- with the giant Sumatran rat mental picture. I'm sure the giant rats would enjoy free food too.

Posted by: Ivansmom | December 18, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if this was linked to. Dbg, Martooni, heads up now.

Jack part of my morning was reading about the errors in the new software we are forced to use that sound just like your phone. We may decide to not be forced if early reports bear out. I hate when a thing is new and improved beyond its usefulness.

I've spent a great deal of thought and I think for my next career, I'm going to be a hermit. I wonder what the pay scale is.

Posted by: dr | December 18, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

When I saw this headline...

"In Iraq, Rice Urges Turkish, Iraqi Leaders to Cooperate"

... I read "Rice Urges Turkey to Cooperate," which sounds like a great meal if you can get them to do it.

Posted by: TBG | December 18, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for the Kansas tune cootie, Ivansmom...

*listening to the rock violins*


Posted by: Scottynuke | December 18, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

That giant rat looks like a baby ROUS

Posted by: omni | December 18, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

k-guy 1. If you watch closely you can see them pull their 'chutes right at the end.


Posted by: Kerric | December 18, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Giant rat to journalist (drink in one hand, cigarette in the other): "Lemme tell you something about that guy you're listening to. You'll scoop everyone...

Posted by: jack | December 18, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Mudge-I must take issue with your characterization of the military as not crying out in support of following the Geneva Convention with regard to Gitmo et al. The head JAG prosecutor resigned rather than go through with the admin's sham tribunals. While the generals who have been requesting sit-downs with all the presidential candidates to tell them why torture is not just wrong, but also bad policy, are all retired-they are recently so. That they didn't have press conferences to announce their position while still on active duty doesn't mean they were for torture and against extending the conventions, or that they didn't try to persuade the civilian leadership to abandon its reprehensible course.

Posted by: frostbitten | December 18, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I once had a cat that could "fix" that rat problem. That thing was 18 pounds of muscle and sinew in his prime. Medium size dogs were getting out of its way. It's been dead 10 years unfortunately. It was about 24 pounds and a little fat when it died at approximately 15 years old. RIP Mockmock.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | December 18, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I just got back from the little ones school concert, probably not on par with Browne/Riatt but I think I enjoyed it as much as Joel seems to be enjoying his event.

Not sure if Joel had the tears in his eyes though.

Posted by: dmd | December 18, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

SCC-that should have read "extending the convention's protections to detainees." It is clear to all but those for whom hubris and perfidy are their finest qualities that Geneva does apply, and it doesn't matter how many beheadings Al Jazeera shows. It's not about them, it's about us.

Posted by: frostbitten | December 18, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I can hear you calling, shriek: Heeeeear Mockmock...nice kitty (waving Flintstone bone lure)....

Posted by: jack | December 18, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

You're right, Frosty; I did overstate it, and yes, a lot of JAGs did protest. But just not enough, IMHO. And not just JAGs--it needed to be all of them, privates to generals. Louder, and more often. After all, it's *their* butts most likely to suffer. I know perfectly well the military os constrained...but they aren't *that* constrained. And the retired mils could have raised all the fuss they wanted to.

dr, I've often thought about becoming a hermit, too. Except, of course, in my case I guess I'd have to be a hermit crab.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 18, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

jack... my dad used to stand out on the back deck in his underwear every night, no matter the weather and call for Sonny* the cat... "Dummy! Heeeeere DUUUUUUMMMMMY."

We used to look at him and say, "Who's the dummy?"

*An orange tabby named for "Sonny" Jurgensen, beloved Redskin quarterback--who had the misfortune of being named Adolph.

Posted by: TBG | December 18, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Apropos of absolutely nothing at all:

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Those will come in handy for the Weingarten chats, yello. Thanks.

Posted by: TBG | December 18, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

frostbitten, thanks for making that point. The military is a different kind of environment, I don't pretend to comprehend it. But surely following orders is what you're supposed to do and questioning authority is not encouraged. It seems like if you disagree with policy, resignation is the only option. Enlisted people don't even have that option. What are they supposed to do?

Here's a very good op-ed by Col. Davis that was published in the Miami Herald this weekend:

"I had instructed the prosecutors in September 2005 that we would not offer any evidence derived by waterboarding, one of the aggressive interrogation techniques the administration has sanctioned. Haynes and I have different perspectives and support different agendas, and the decision to give him command over the chief prosecutor's office cast a shadow over the integrity of military commissions. I resigned a few hours after I was informed of Haynes' place in my chain of command."

Posted by: kbertocci | December 18, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Darn you beat me to saying 'apropos' yellowjkt. I don't know if I mentioned it, but the very first time I ever saw Curmudgeon used here as a name, my thought was damn, I should have thought of that.

Does anyone have a wall, something strong and brick like, that I could pound my head on. It needs to withstand a great deal of force, because there is a lot of steam to be worked off. My tongue is already sore. Short term but intense use requirments. Sigh.

Posted by: dr | December 18, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Mudge writes:
Pong remained pretty popular, right up until the Chinese added Ping to it, and it just completely altered the game so much that no one wanted to play the original Pong any more.

I swear I'm not making up this story.

At the end of last week, Loomispouse decided that he wanted me to erect one of those geschmucky firs/seasonal decoration thingies in the house--the ones that give off a great scent, as though one were standing in the middle of the Cascade range in the Pacific Northwest. To get fresh at this stage of the game at Lowe's--without piles of dry needles around our ankles after shaking out the tree, we made a Faustian bargain on Saturday and had to settle for extremely crooked as well. To disguise the deformity of the upper trunk, I had to be a little heavy on the ornamentation.

So I pulled off the shelf some small ball ornaments that I bought a coupla years ago at T.J. Maxx abd had never opened and used. Each about the size of a ping pong ball. Two small plastic canisters hold about 12 pastel pink and 12 pastel yellow each, the colors so off-beat I must have picked them up that year after the 25th at half-price. Rock-bottom ornaments. I assumed they were made of glass.

The bottom of these fat and short canisters said "Made in China." As I took these pastel orbs out, the first four in each squat tube had a weensy rectangular paper label along the metal cap that also read "Made in China."

Well, in making all those last-minute finicky adjustments on the tree late Sunday, I accidentally dropped a pink ball onto the tile floor. It fell, but didn't break. Small miracle, I thought. Then Monday, I swooshed by the tree in the early morning and another one of these ornaments fell. I felt the contact with the limb and wheeled so fast, that I was bending as the ornament was descending. Amazingly, the thing bounced off our floor tile, about 12 inches into the air. Even more miraculously, I caught it.

The more I closely examined the ornaments, the more I pondered, "Are these ornaments really ping pong balls with short stems and metal caps?" Never in my life have I had a seasonal round ornament that bounced. Does anyone know how they make Christmas ornaments in China? Specifically, are the Chinese applying a heavy coat of matte paint to plastic ping pong balls--seeing as how the Chinese altered the game so much that no one wanted to play the original pong any more?

Posted by: Loomis | December 18, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

..and god knows how much lead is in the paint on them.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 18, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Loomis, you know you have good quality if the little silver thing that you hang the ball from is metal. I picked up 6 small drop type ornaments this year and be darned if the 'metal' isn't thick ugly plastic.

The ones you speak of do break. I've seen it happen. They are programmed to break only when you are least able to clean it up.

Posted by: dr | December 18, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Well north of Currier & Ives country is an otherworldly (as in crater) lake.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | December 18, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

In the torture business, I'm disappointed that among the presidential candidates, only Sen. McCain seems to be against torture, and he seems to have been marginalized because of his views. As an Air Force brat, I grew up in an environment where torture was believed to be a typical feature of Communist and other barbaric regimes.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | December 18, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Anyone read Eugene Robinson today?

Posted by: nellie | December 18, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I did. I don't think I agree with his final conclusion, that most of us *want* to see juiced, superhuman athletes doing superhuman things. I don't anyway; I'd rather see non-juiced people doing superhuman things. I realize there's a certain segment of people (such as those who watch "professional" wrestling) who want to see those muscle-bound, pumped up Ahnald Schwartzenegger type bodies, but I'm not one of them.

And I don't wanna take the rap for steroid use, as a member of the public who likes to watch sports. I'm not buying into the "we're all guilty" thing; I had nuthin' to do with it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 18, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Kerric, we are cooking this evening. Actual edible food. The girlfriend of the stickman is heading out for Chirstmas. If you wish to join us, just arrive and we will feed you.

This is an open invitation to all who are in the area. Just show up and you will find food, convivial conversation and silliness.

Somebody out there needs to answer his phone, and pick up his messages.

Posted by: dr | December 18, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Is there a large open field with, say, good ground illumination near by? Just asking.

Posted by: RD Padouk | December 18, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you, Curmudgeon -- up until recently we were all more than happy to watch ordinary people do extraordinary things.

Did you notice the similarity to a column a couple of days ago titled "How to Fix The Baseball Record Book" by a certain J. Achenbach?

Posted by: nellie | December 18, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

DR, did you boodle Kerric so as to get him to arrive for dinner? Too funny.

Posted by: College Parkian | December 18, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I noted that, Nellie. In fact, I suspect he read the Boodle, too.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 18, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Also, I wanted to point out that the American Intelligence Community avoided a tremendous catastrophe today nearly brought about by ambiguous nomenclature exacerbated by poor decision making. Which is just an annoyingly provocative way of saying that I almost didn't buy enough beer for the Holiday Party.

I mean, I'm not a big beer drinker. I didn't realize that those 12 packs of bottles they call "cases" aren't *really* cases. Evidently true cases are 24 bottles. If it weren't for the alertness of my wife I might have showed up for the party with only one half of the expected Sam Adams. And the repercussions of this would be more terrible than I care to imagine.

Posted by: RD Padouk | December 18, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Yes, McCain is against torture. But as a typical Republican, only because he experienced it himself.

Posted by: TBG | December 18, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

dr somebody is at work in a noisy metal fabrication environment and does not check or hear his phone when it is ten feet away. Dinner sounds nice.

Posted by: Kerric | December 18, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Boodle works as an

ET Phone Home


Have a good dinner. JA -- your work here this evening is done. Take the rest of the night off.

Posted by: College Parkian | December 18, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think this headline from is funny?

Romney Makes South Carolina Swing

That crazy Romney!

Posted by: Maggie O'D | December 18, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Oddly enough, yes RD. The local sports field is just a short walk away. We'll come pick you up.
You could land on the neigbours pond, but the last time he tried putting machinery on his pond ice, it sunk. Do those things fly coated in ice?

Be aware, we have NO Sam Adams up here. We do have Alexander Keith's. A pungent brew sutible for all beverage consumption needs.

Kerric is going to hold me to that cookie promise from a couple weeks ago.

Posted by: dr | December 18, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"And the repercussions of this would be more terrible than I care to imagine." RD, you might well have come to understand the true meaning of torture.

Posted by: ebtnut | December 18, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Sad news for Canadian sports fans and curling fans, Don Chevier passed away. A long time fixture in the sports scene(TV voice of the Jays, covered Olympics, curling, football etc.)

Posted by: dmd | December 18, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

The g-girl just came over and said, grandma the doorbell. I have the television on and it is near the computer. I can't hear the doorbell. I go to to the door and look out through the peephole, but don't see anyone. I open the door, and still don't see anyone. I say to the g-girl, are you sure you heard the doorbell? She says yes. I open the screen and see a package on the porch, and the UPS truck pulling off from the parking lot. I open the package, and I am numb. I cry, and cry, I can't help it. I feel happy, but then I feel bad because I can never get my friends here anything for Christmas or any other time.

Oh, how can I thank you, my friends? I feel so blessed. I am so grateful to all of you. I rant and rave, carry-on something awful at times, and still you care. I don't know what to say. I thank you so very much. The g-girl thanks you too. May God bless each and every one of you, and your families too. My heart is full, and the tears won't stop. I can't see the computer good. Thank you so much.

Posted by: Cassandra S | December 18, 2007 6:52 PM | Report abuse

you're loved and appreciated, cassandra.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | December 18, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse

TBG, I never thought of it like that. You may be on to something.

Someone ought to ask all those Reptilians this simple question...

Posted by: Jumper | December 18, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra you are a gift each and everyday. Have a wonderful holiday.

Posted by: dmd | December 18, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra... you really are a gift to us. Thanks for your wisdom and your clarity and your blessings--and your friendship.

You take care of the g-girl and help those kids and other people in your community. You are always giving. We appreciate and value you.

Posted by: TBG | December 18, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

You give a gift everytime you write. It counts in my world more than you know, Cassandra.

Posted by: dr | December 18, 2007 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra, I'm with dmd. You grace us with your kindness every day. Thank *you*!

Posted by: dbG | December 18, 2007 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I can't stop crying. Thanks again to all.

I'm off to bed. Good night, boodle.

Posted by: Cassandra S | December 18, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Dearest Cassandra,

You know the grace of giving and the grace of receiving.

I love that your g-girls is first, your great delight, and second, a pair of back up ears.

Posted by: College Parkian | December 18, 2007 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I think you are a natural born storyteller Cassandra, and I like to hear yours. I wish a happy Christmas to you and all of your dear ones too.

Posted by: Jumper | December 18, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm laughing, Cassandra, but it's a good thing I don't have to talk right this second, because I'm not sure I can. The reason I'm laughing is because during our discussions and e-mailing, one of the group said they'd love to see your face. And I replied, "There will be tears." And that it was a good thing, not a bad thing.

Sleep tight.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 18, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Good night, Cassandra. Thanks for your blessings. I am grateful to learn from you.

Posted by: daiwanlan | December 18, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Well, finally! I've been tracking that package all afternoon, Cassandra, I'm glad it got to you! Please know that we love you, maybe almost as much as you love us.

Merry Christmas!

Posted by: Slyness | December 18, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

It finally got there? This is excellent! Thank you, Cassandra.

Posted by: pj | December 18, 2007 8:04 PM | Report abuse

The added lighting to enhance the bookshelf to appear as a cross was no accident. The more the religious right looks into his firing of the officer that wanted to prosecute his son, the death warrants he signed as governor, the tax plan that will destroy the middle class, they may just wake up. With Roberts believing a right to privacy exists in the constitution, I doubt he will call cases challenging that right (Roe & Griswold) for re-examination. A constitutional amendment is probably needed and that requires 2/3 vote in congress. A declining parochial school population, due to the squeeze on the middle class, will result in fewer longtime parishioners. The religious right supports people that make it harder to achieve their goals. The more righteously we act here and abroad will do more to fight Islamic Salafists than any amount of military power. Win the people, win the war, win back America.

Posted by: James Chirico | December 18, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

James Chiarco... who's "he?" We have more than one republican governor running.

Posted by: Wilbrod | December 18, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

He's talking about Huckabee, Wilbrod.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 18, 2007 9:22 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: TBG | December 18, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I just got back from a Chinese themed holiday show that was more than a little pro-Falun Gong. I'll blog about it eventually.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 18, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

TBG, are you still working? I just got back from the airport with some precious cargo, that's right, Artist Alice is home for winter break. I'm happy but pretty darn tired, going to bed soon. I hope you don't have to stay much later.

Posted by: kbertocci | December 18, 2007 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Hi kb... glad she got in safe and sound. I'll probably be another hour or so. I'm getting too old for this. It's not just being tired while I'm here, it's the way it ruins the rest of the week for me.

Oh well. It's only once a month... and I get paid by the hour, so I can't really complain. (Besides, I've got the greatest boss in the world so it's not so bad; I often come home from work and Mr. G asks me, "So... what did you laugh about today?")

I'm meeting friends for coffee AND lunch tomorrow (different sets of friends), so I can't sleep in too late. Of course, now I've got a college kid at home who can show me how to do it.

Posted by: TBG | December 18, 2007 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Been a busy day, going to bed soon, did a little - but not enough - backboodling.

Cassandra, I'm very happy you got the package. That made my day.

On that note, good night, all.


Posted by: bc | December 19, 2007 12:09 AM | Report abuse

kb, that's great. TBG, I know what you mean. I've been working since 7 ayem this morning (and I put in a 12 hour day yesterday). It could be worse - I could be in a cold computer room, or in a deserted office building. I'm safe at home - but still...During Christmas break, when I have some time off, I'm going to polish my resume and look for something else.

Cassandra, hope you have some brighter days.

Posted by: mostlylurking | December 19, 2007 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Carports are great for keeping cars out of the weather, but what about the cats that sleep on the cars?

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | December 19, 2007 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, you are God's favourite. You said so yourself so naturally He'll (don't anybody make a fuss about my using this pronoun) look after you.

Posted by: rainforest | December 19, 2007 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Whew. Home. Just got online to check for the receipt from the printer. All's well.. or at least it appears to be so.

G'night all. Sweet boodle dreams...

Posted by: TBG | December 19, 2007 2:12 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, friends. You certainly know me, there were tears and more tears. My eyes are probably swollen this morning, but it's all good. I'm also grinning from ear to ear. Again,I thank all of you so very much. I don't want to cry again, but thanks for the wonderful comments too. And thank you, JA, and your family.

Morning, Slyness, Mudge, Martooni, Scotty, and all. *waving*

I'm reading this morning that the folks in Aruba have closed the Holloway case. That can't be good for the parents. I don't know, but that has to be a nightmare for the family.

We still have the cold weather. The g-girl and I will face the frost this morning. It is her last day. They will exchange little gifts and have a Xmas party. Yesterday she arrived with lunch all over her clothes, and she says she only ate one thing. I always ask what was for lunch. She always says she doesn't know. We're trying to learn the names of food.

Mudge, does the fact that a judge is seeking something about the CIA tapes, could this be a good or bad thing? I don't understand that. I keep thinking that destruction of the tapes was not suppose to be.

News out this morning, Obama and Mrs. Clinton in a dead heat. I see she has Magic Johnson for a supporter. I see a problem if African-Americans split their vote.

I read Eugene Robinson's opinion yesterday, and I can't really give a good opinion on it because I'm not a sport's fan. I think some folks like the souped up players probably just like they like those guys in cages. Not every one likes that sort of thing. Yet with the list of players taking steriods it seems the playing field just might be level. Sounds like the league needs to clean up its act.

Have a great day, folks. I hope it's not cold where you are. Ivansmom, are things better in your neck of the woods? The weather folks here are talking about rain. I hope they know what they're talking about. The folks in the triad area are desperate for water.

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Cassandra S | December 19, 2007 5:21 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. TBG, hope you can sleep in this morning.

I suspect there's gonna be a major furor raised over this morning's Harold Meyerson column. Seems ol' Harold really strips the paint off the hide of the GOP, big time, with a piece called "Hard-liners for Jesus." The opening grafs don't shilly-shally around getting to it:

"As Christians across the world prepare to celebrate the birth of Jesus, it's a fitting moment to contemplate the mountain of moral, and mortal, hypocrisy that is our Christianized Republican Party.

"There's nothing new, of course, about the Christianization of the GOP. ... This year, however, the Christianization of the party reached new heights with Mitt Romney's declaration that he believed in Jesus as his savior, in an effort to stanch the flow of "values voters" to Mike Huckabee.

"... Rather, it's the gap between the teachings of the Gospels and the preachings of the Gospel's Own Party that has widened past the point of absurdity, even as the ostensible Christianization of the party proceeds apace."

After brief stops at torture, immigration policy and a reminder of the "Christianity" of the Ku Klux Klan, Meyerson swings into his dynamite close:

"But nativist bigotry is strongest in the Old Time Religion precincts of the Republican Party, and woe betide the Republican candidate who doesn't embrace it, as John McCain, to his credit and his political misfortune, can attest.

"The most depressing thing about the Republican presidential race is that the party's rank and file require their candidates to grow meaner with each passing week. And now, inconveniently, inconsiderately, comes Christmas, a holiday that couldn't be better calibrated to expose the Republicans' rank, fetid hypocrisy."

Pretty strong stuff, I'd say.

Meanwhile, Ruth Marcus's column takes a long time getting around to its correct conclusion: why do we put up with the absurdity of the rules and meaninglessness of the Iowa caucus?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 19, 2007 5:50 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, the judge ordered a hearing for Friday about the destroyed torture tapes. That's a good thing. He's not taking any crap from the govt.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 19, 2007 5:56 AM | Report abuse

G'morning, all. Hey, Cassandra, we're all smiling with you!

Did anybody read Doonesbury this morning? It cracked me up:

That's about as opinionated as I can be on a seasonably cold December morn!

Posted by: Slyness | December 19, 2007 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Hey Cassandra!!!! *HUGSSSSS and reindeer-antlered Grover waves*

I'm 12 hours late to the festivities, but very happy to hear our contributions made it to you safely.


Posted by: Scottynuke | December 19, 2007 7:27 AM | Report abuse

I am doing my time keeping today and cannot but noticed TBG just bid good night at 2:12 and followed by Cassandra by 5:21. How the days fly by like continuum without notice. Good morning, Cassandra. Good morning, Martooni.

Posted by: daiwanlan | December 19, 2007 8:03 AM | Report abuse

The Boodle: Upon which the sun seldom sets.

Merry Christmas Cassandra. Kudos to those wonderful people who contributed and shame to those people who *totally meant to* but kept forgetting. By which is meant me.

Posted by: RD Padouk | December 19, 2007 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Oh man, I just saw the "Jamie Lynn Spears" story. My daughter loves "Zoey 101."

Posted by: RD Padouk | December 19, 2007 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Merry Christmas, Cassandra. You are truly a blessing to us all.

Posted by: jack | December 19, 2007 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra - I love reading your posts. I'm glad there was a Christmas surprise waiting for you on your porch!

Mudge - I HOPE there will be a furor created by Meyerson's piece. I've been shocked at the attitude of Republican rank and file about torture, which seems to be a sort of "don't bother me with the details." I was struck by his point that the Republican base seems to be requiring their candidates to unbelievable lows of fear and meanness.

I also loved TBG's point at 5:29 yesterday about McCain and torture yesterday...yes, typical, I'd say.

Furiously backboodling - I'm glad to hear from Martooni. I've been wondering what the long-haired leaping gnome guy was doing.

Whew - RD - you owe your could have been in serious trouble!

Have a great day, boodlers.

Posted by: Kim | December 19, 2007 8:31 AM | Report abuse

SCC - ACK! not "requiring" their candidates to unbelievable about "pushing" or something like that.

Slyness - loved the Doonesbury link.

Posted by: Kim | December 19, 2007 8:35 AM | Report abuse

This article describe some of the discussions among the WH legal staff regarding the CIA tape story. Given that there has been a ruling to begin an inquiry into the destruction of the tapes and that sources are beginning to talk about what happened at the WH so quickly, I can't help but think that folks are beginning to scramble in a CYA manner.

Posted by: jack | December 19, 2007 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Here's a video exposing that that Jesus guy might not be the rock-solid Republican type at all:

And the mere title of this very serious theological piece says it all: Who Would Jesus Torture?

I've been spending too much time reading Andrew Sullivan who is very anti-torture and doesn't even have comments.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 19, 2007 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for suggesting the Myerson piece, 'Mudge. I've always wondered why administration policy raqrely seems to square with those in the administration that so openly profess the depth of their faith. If one is going to talk the talk, then one must walk the walk.

Posted by: jack | December 19, 2007 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Jack says, "If one is going to talk the talk, then one must walk the walk. "

Well put, and BZ.

You succinctly phrased what has been eating me about all the Christian bashing that I've seen lately, both here and elsewhere. Frankly, it's gotten me reather peeved. Has the bashing been deserved? Perhaps. Then what should be done about those not "walking the walk"? I don't know. I'll start by having another look at the "log in my own eye" first.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | December 19, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

What you said, Don. I seem to take a few good strides forward, than stumble. My stride continually needs work.

Posted by: jack | December 19, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Don... don't think it's Christian bashing, but "Christian" bashing, meaning folks are fed up with the people who claim to be Christian, but seem uninterested in following the basic tenets of the religion.

Yeah, I'm up already. Gotta go meet some "friends" for coffee. Er... I mean friends.


Posted by: TBG | December 19, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

That second link yello just posted at 8:58 is pretty strong medicine, too, and worth the read. The basic theme is WWJT: "Who Would Jesus Torture?" (The answer is self-evident.)

Whiplashing myself back to the topic of this and several other kits, I've got a request for Joel: how about a contrarian piece explaining that, in fact, the Iowa caucus, no matter who wins it or by how much, in either party, is so arcane in iots methodology and so generally unrepresentative of anything, that we need to begin lowering expectations (and coverage) of it *now,* before any further damage is done? Because the d@mn really *isn't* very significant or representative or in any way *useful* to the general electorate -- and everybody knows it. So let's stop pretending it is Electoral Armegeddon. In the grand scheme of the 2008 campaign (either party), it is barely a pimple, hardly even a worthy hicky, on the way to the White House -- and should be portrayed as such. Joel, somebody's gotta stand up and mention politely that the Emporer is buck nekkid.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 19, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Ooooooooooooooo, I'm all jealous! TBG is gonna go have coffee with Jennifer Aniston and Mathew Perry and Lisa Kudrow!!

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 19, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Um, yes. Meyerson provides further confirmation that the Post's an ultra-liberal anti-Christian jihadist rag. I suppose Limbaugh et al. will be happy, if they aren't on holiday yet.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | December 19, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Sad news this morning that Bill Strauss has died. He's a guy who did a lot for his community here in Washington and, among other things, for high school theatre programs across the country.

He is the founder of the Capitol Steps and also of the Cappies, the high school theatre "Tony Awards." Actually, it's much more than that, as the students themselves travel to each others' shows and write reviews that are published in the Washington Post and other papers nationwide.

Anyway... I feel fortunate that this man was a part of my community. He spoke in June at my son's high school graduation.

Posted by: TBG | December 19, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Hey now wait just a goldarned minute before you go attacking the Iowa system. After all, look on the bright side. 1) The Iowa race provides massive inflow of money into the state in the form of advertising revenue, printing, transportation, lodging, and a host of other items required by not only the campaigns but also the media horde. 2) This supports jobs in Iowa which do not involve corn, methane, or Archer Daniels Midland (OK, maybe those three are indirectly involved) and those jobs CANNOT be exported or outsourced. And perhaps most importantly 3) It keeps the candidates and the campaigns occupied far from the rest of us, providing much needed peace and quiet in forty nine states and the District of Columbia.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | December 19, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Good morning! Cassandra, we all give of ourselves in different ways at different times. You share your gifts here, as do many Boodlers, and I'm thankful for it.

We are enjoying a few days of warm sunshine and most people in OKC have power, though Tulsa is still struggling. Thousands of people have discovered they have to hire private electricians to repair the boxes at their houses before they can get power again. We're all hauling out branches before the weather gets cold this weekend. The Boy has finals through Friday, and then school is out. They promise they'll take the kids back in January, though.

The issue for me, and that I'm reading about it the linked articles, is not so much that the candidates and persons in question fail to act on their Christian values, as that they fail to act on the values they espouse, which in these cases happen to be Christian.

Posted by: Ivansmom | December 19, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

A University of Florida professor of English and Advertising (what a combination!) has come out with a book titled "Shopping for God: How Christianity Moved From In Your Heart To In Your Face". The subtitle says a great deal about current attitudes.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | December 19, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

On the subject of Christian hypocrisy, I couldn't agree more; however, Christians don't have a monopoly on that particular failing. The best post-9/11 article I read was from The Onion, and it covers the subject thoroughly:

Posted by: kbertocci | December 19, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

"Professor of English and Advertising"??? Isn't that kind of like being a gynecologist AND a hooker?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 19, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

YJ -- I read Andrew Sullivan closely during the first years of his blog, now, about three times per week.

He had to shut comments off because they tended to be acid-drenched. He is gay, so imagine the number of drive-by vitrolic splashings....very ugly.

His take on torture comes directly from Catholic social teaching -- which considers the dignity of all people and the communal nature of individual actions -- and a number of other philosophical sources (Kantian ethics, Buddhist norms about suffering, humanistic psychology and ethics, and even that WWJD formula that is pretty darn clear with the metaphor about turning the other cheek) that all arrive at the same point.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.....not even a life-boat ethics critique can save people on this one.....

Posted by: College Parkian | December 19, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

That Onion link made my day, Bertooch; thanks.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 19, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The Executive Office Building has fire in it, possibly electrical:

Posted by: jack | December 19, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Hold on there, Mudge, one of my colleagues and mentors is an expert in these related areas:

rhetoric of intimidation
rhetoric of advertising

Her whole point is to arm audiences --aka consumers -- against these ploys. A related area concerns media studies, especially within American Studies departments. One target audience of this academic field concerns young people. How can we teach them about the blatant whoring and pimping of Mad Ave toward them? Imagine the pony-tailed men in suits "selling" gangsta-aura stuff to all kids. Suburban white kids tend to code-switch out of this false and no-wheres-ville phase, but not all kids can.

My colleague is a "very nice Lutheran Lady" out of the broad middle of the country. She is so NOT a (fish) hooking type. Or did you mean that she might fish as a hobby, :)

(I knew you were joshin')

Posted by: College Parkian | December 19, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

EOB on fire, eh? Hmmmmmmmm, well I guess now we know where they store the torture tapes.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | December 19, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I applaud your colleague's efforts to alert kids to the messages in advertising, but it has to happen a lot sooner than college. They're surrounded by the consumer culture from birth. Since he was tiny, we've watched TV with the Boy and, at every commercial (and some kids' shows), asked him, "what are they selling?" Often it isn't necessarily the product in question. Sometimes, of course, you can't tell what the product is. This leads to animated discussions about advertising and desire. We used to call Power Rangers (he never had any) Violent Shameless Marketing Tools. Fun to hear that from a three-year-old.

Posted by: Ivansmom | December 19, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm with Ivansmom on the weather. It was 73 yesterday and I was glistening pretty heavily while working in the yard during the afternoon. If it had been seven degrees warmer, I woulda gone swimmin'.

Supposed to be 76 today and 79 degrees on Friday. Retailers locally are dumping sweaters and outerwear quicker than the beaters on an electric mixer. Hats, scarves and gloves are moving slower than a man who's got an anvil in his overalls. Compared to what's normal in these parts, it's just hotter than the devil's roasting prong.

Merry Chimichanga and a Happy Nopalitos, y'all.

Posted by: Loomis | December 19, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"Hats, scarves and gloves are moving slower than a man who's got an anvil in his overalls. Compared to what's normal in these parts, it's just hotter than the devil's roasting prong."

Loomis, you've been watching old Dan Rather broadcasts again, haven't you?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 19, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

The lede to this article has two spots on the LAT home page. I would imagine that many media outlets are abuzz about this, since it involves the Clinton campaign:

Posted by: jack | December 19, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Not to mention the WH visitor logs.

The Cappies are a great program. They also do summer theater programs that get put on at the Kennedy Center while Shear Madness is on hiatus. They tend to fun and cheap.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 19, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Here's hoping the EOB doesn't lose any of its grand interiors. I guess it has grand old interiors--Americans were into elaborate decor back then.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | December 19, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Just off for a root canal, but I find this headline disturbing:

China Takes New Track in Corruption Fight

Surely it should be "tack" and surely the WAPO editors should know better.

I'll stop calling them Shirley now.

Posted by: Yoki | December 19, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

You are right, Ivansmom. Much of her work shapes youth policies: the development, therapeutic, and interventionist community.

For example, UMCP media students tutor in the local Boys/Girls club. The program is one-part tutoring and the other part media literacy. Even working with HS students is in some ways "too late"....but I have seen the program in action. About five HS-schoolers a semester really take into account that they are buying into what THE MAN is selling. (Apologies to the good men who largely populate the world). Two teens started a Cafe Press biz to sell cool t-shirts and hats that reflect THEIR ideas....some selling/buying is going on....but B^%$th-tops and low-slung pants are everywhere still. Didn't they get the justice-rules memo?

So, I hear ya...we need to catch kids between 4 and 10, really, for everything.....Cassandra is doing this sort of work with her tutoring and after-school know, helping introduce some wisdom into the mix....We need to bottle and distribute "Cassandras" throughout the country in a youth-movement... Hey, it is Christmas and a girl can dream....

Posted by: College Parkian | December 19, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Another funny take on torture (if it's a laughing matter at all):

Posted by: yellojkt | December 19, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I would rather not watch Rather--my heart still patters for Peter. I WAS watching Good Morning America this past week, to see newsman Chris Cuomo walk on some UPS treadmill device that's supposed to train employees how to walk on slippery surfaces.

This is the same morning that NBC news anchor Ann Curry bungee jumped off a bridge in Middleborough, England. I just hate this cr@p. Why don't these yokels just read the news instead of trying to make the news. I know Curry raised moeney for charity with her derring-do, but it just toasts my buns when the celebrity part of news gathering takes over. But I digress.

What Cuomo had to say was that UPS no longer can pass out printed training manuals because the material just doesn't sink in. The newest recruits or employees are now trained by video, Cuomo chimed, "because of the interactivity of the computer age." (I paraphrase.) How about asking if these new UPS employees can read? That might explain several packages delivered to my door by UPS during the past year when they were intended for a woman a block away?

UPS might work on trining their employees to read numbers *as well as* letters. Also, how to hide a package behind a potted succulent without knocking half the fleshy leaves off. Don't get me started.

I'm off to call the ciculation department of the Express-News about them sticking a Macy's flier full of perfume samples in today's paper--just like last week. Nasal misery ensued.

Posted by: Loomis | December 19, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, LL, about those perfume inserts. I don't like them, either.

Yoki: Oh my about the root canal. Take care. People with red hair or red hair in the family line sometimes need more juice to numb the area. This is true for me. As long as I get sufficient juice I am fine.

Posted by: College Parkian | December 19, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of advertising, I am reminded of a sign in the window of the only restaurant in Chitina, Alaska, a place where the pavement ends and it's many miles in any direction to another town (which will have only one restaurant)- "Hot Beer, Lousy Food, Slow Service, Come on in!"

Posted by: kurosawaguy | December 19, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse



Posted by: omni | December 19, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

10/10. First time ever aceing one, I think. I Am Shark Man!!!

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 19, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Loomis, at least they put packages by your door and try to hide them behind the plants. UPS & FedEx both like to leave packages (and the door tags) at our gate, 1/8 mile and a 90 degree turn from the house. This is even when the gate is open. The dog usually gets the package first.

I got 10/10 on the shark quiz. But then, I am a lawyer.

Posted by: Ivansmom | December 19, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

10/10 on sharks. We government workers know our merciless predators who can smell blood for miles.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | December 19, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

When I heard the reports of black smoke billowing out of the OEOB, I thought maybe Voldemort... er, I mean Cheney had stared at something for too long.

Posted by: TBG | December 19, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I think the smoke means the bishops have elected Cheney Pope of America, TBG. First ballot, too.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | December 19, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

From a post in Anne Kornblut's Politics chat:

Las Vegas: For you gamblers out there, the just-posted over-under on the amount of Cheney's personal documents lost or destroyed in the fire is five year's worth.

Posted by: byoolin | December 19, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra, hope it's not too late to tell you "well-deserved." Between trying to get caught up at work before some time off and creating some holiday cheer I missed all the excitement.

9/10 on the sharks. At least I got the first one wrong instead of the last.

Posted by: Raysmom | December 19, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

9/10 on the quiz. Missed the hammerhead question. Fire in the OEOB? Anyone check the video tape storage cabinets lately?

Posted by: ebtnut | December 19, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for all the keep-wrapped-up tips. We're in the upper 30's today, so the ice skating rink on my shop floor has mostly melted (I'm sure it will refreeze tonight). I've developed a knack for sliding from the router table to the workbench and back that rivals Scott Hamilton.

I spin, but I do *not* pirouette.

I should probably be staying inside, but I gots work to do and it can't wait. We're at a relatively warm 37F, so not too bad.

Why does the second picture in the Kit remind me of "The Shining"? I saw that and all I could think of is "Daddy's home...."

Peace out. :-)

Posted by: martooni | December 19, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

10/10 on the quiz...

And for some reason I'm now feeling a bit peckish...

*toothy smile*


Posted by: Scottynuke | December 19, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

New kit. The boss is heading for Iowa. Hope he'll take Mudge's advice to heart. Enough of Iowa already.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | December 19, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I know a few lawyers, so 10/10.

Alas, I only got 8/10 for this child's play quiz.

Posted by: Wilbrod | December 19, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Mike "The Huckster" Huckabee thinks he is more God-like than the other candidates:

One of the reasons for our success as a nation has been the fact that our leadership recognized our survival depended upon the idea that no one religion should dominate the nation into becoming a theocracy. They had seen what happened in Europe when the one true religion was the Roman Catholic Church!

We have been most fortunate in our history that most of our representatives have not allowed their own religious beliefs to override what is in our national interests. However, I have noticed lately that many of the candidates running for President, as well as many in congress, have been catering to the religious right and have made decisions based upon fundamentalist ideas rather than what is good for the nation.

Those members of congress who are Christian, have voted more towards the right wing of the Republican Party, and have indicated extremist ideas that are detrimental to our remaining a secular society united by common "American" beliefs and values. They have become very divisive rather than uniting the country, and have contributed to the vehement rhetoric that seems to pervade our public discourse. They would rather pander to those evangelicals who have taken up the mantle of representing "true" American values. However, those same values allowed Christian Cavalrymen to massacre Native Americans, institute slavery, and lynch African Americans by white Christian mobs in the Bible Belt of the 20th Century.

Those members of congress who are Jewish, will probably never vote against any resolution that might be detrimental to the state of Israel. They have passed legislation that continues to supply Israel with US money and military aid, even if that aid ends up killing Palestinians and bulldozing Palestinian homes. However, the Jewish community in the U.S. has generally voted Democrat, and expressed liberal views. These progressive ideals have aided greatly in our passing needed legislation that has been beneficial to American citizens. Many Jewish college students rode buses and marched in the South during the fight for civil rights in the 1960's. Unfortunately, when it came to our foreign policy toward Israel, the powerful Jewish lobby raised very little objection to the spying by Jonathan Pollard, nor the attack on the USS Liberty.

Those members of congress who are Muslim, would probably support any legislation that might benefit the Palestinians. This is readily understandable considering the powerful Jewish Lobby, and our support for the state of Israel. Is it any wonder that the Arab Muslims in the Middle East think that we have been at war with the Palestinians through our proxy Israel? Little discussion is given to the proliferation of nuclear weapons by Israel or the major world powers, only those states we consider the "Axis Of Evil."

Now it seems that we have a congress more divided than ever, and a nation more divided than ever. The dialog on both sides is dripping with vitriolic slander and innuendo, indicating a new low level of discourse not only in the media, but the nation as well. It seems that the Republicans do not want to give up their right wing Christian extremist base in order to pass needed legislation that would be beneficial to the nation. Gridlock and stalemate is the name of the game, with a Democrat majority in congress unable or unwilling to do anything about it.

Posted by: Ron Matuska | December 19, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

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