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A Speech by MLK (and one by Obama)

About to jump on a plane again, I'll post this speech by Rev. Martin Luther King, sent to me by my friend Clyde:

Check it out.

Via boodler frostbitten, here's the text.


The time has come for America to hear the truth about this tragic war. In international conflicts, the truth is hard to come by because most nations are deceived about themselves. Rationalizations and the incessant search for scapegoats are the psychological cataracts that blind us to our sins. But the day has passed for superficial patriotism. He who lives with untruth lives in spiritual slavery. Freedom is still the bonus we receive for knowing the truth. "Ye shall know the truth," says Jesus, "and the truth shall set you free." Now, I've chosen to preach about the war in Vietnam because I agree with Dante, that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality. There comes a time when silence becomes betrayal.

[Interesting column today by Paul Krugman.]


Now in Little Rock, on President Clinton Avenue (Drive? Boulevard?).

Via email from the Obama campaign, here's the video of his speech yesterday at Ebenezer Baptist in Atlanta.

Here's an excerpt:

Unity is the great need of the hour -- the great need of this hour. Not because it sounds pleasant or because it makes us feel good, but because it's the only way we can overcome the essential deficit that exists in this country.

I'm not talking about a budget deficit. I'm not talking about a trade deficit. I'm not talking about a deficit of good ideas or new plans.

I'm talking about a moral deficit. I'm talking about an empathy deficit. I'm taking about an inability to recognize ourselves in one another; to understand that we are our brother's keeper; we are our sister's keeper; that, in the words of Dr. King, we are all tied together in a single garment of destiny.

We have an empathy deficit when we're still sending our children down corridors of shame -- schools in the forgotten corners of America where the color of your skin still affects the content of your education.

We have a deficit when CEOs are making more in ten minutes than some workers make in ten months; when families lose their homes so that lenders make a profit; when mothers can't afford a doctor when their children get sick.

We have a deficit in this country when there is Scooter Libby justice for some and Jena justice for others; when our children see nooses hanging from a schoolyard tree today, in the present, in the twenty-first century.

We have a deficit when homeless veterans sleep on the streets of our cities; when innocents are slaughtered in

the deserts of Darfur; when young Americans serve tour after tour of duty in a war that should've never been authorized and never been waged.

And we have a deficit when it takes a breach in our levees to reveal a breach in our compassion; when it takes a terrible storm to reveal the hungry that God calls on us to feed; the sick He calls on us to care for; the least of these He commands that we treat as our own.

So we have a deficit to close. We have walls -- barriers to justice and equality -- that must come down. And to do this, we know that unity is the great need of this hour.

Unfortunately, all too often when we talk about unity in this country, we've come to believe that it can be purchased on the cheap. We've come to believe that racial reconciliation can come easily -- that it's just a matter of a few ignorant people trapped in the prejudices of the past, and that if the demagogues and those who exploit our racial divisions will simply go away, then all our problems would be solved.

All too often, we seek to ignore the profound institutional barriers that stand in the way of ensuring opportunity for all children, or decent jobs for all people, or health care for those who are sick. We long for unity, but are unwilling to pay the price.

But of course, true unity cannot be so easily won. It starts with a change in attitudes -- a broadening of our minds, and a broadening of our hearts.

It's not easy to stand in somebody else's shoes. It's not easy to see past our differences. We've all encountered this in our own lives. But what makes it even more difficult is that we have a politics in this country that seeks to drive us apart -- that puts up walls between us.

We are told that those who differ from us on a few things are different from us on all things; that our problems are the fault of those who don't think like us or look like us or come from where we do. The welfare queen is taking our tax money. The immigrant is taking our jobs. The believer condemns the non-believer as immoral, and the non-believer chides the believer as intolerant.

For most of this country's history, we in the African-American community have been at the receiving end of man's inhumanity to man. And all of us understand intimately the insidious role that race still sometimes plays -- on the job, in the schools, in our health care system, and in our criminal justice system.

And yet, if we are honest with ourselves, we must admit that none of our hands are entirely clean. If we're honest with ourselves, we'll acknowledge that our own community has not always been true to King's vision of a beloved community.

We have scorned our gay brothers and sisters instead of embracing them. The scourge of anti-Semitism has, at times, revealed itself in our community. For too long, some of us have seen immigrants as competitors for jobs instead of companions in the fight for opportunity.

Every day, our politics fuels and exploits this kind of division across all races and regions; across gender and party. It is played out on television. It is sensationalized by the media. And last week, it even crept into the campaign for President, with charges and counter-charges that served to obscure the issues instead of illuminating the critical choices we face as a nation.

So let us say that on this day of all days, each of us carries with us the task of changing our hearts and minds. The division, the stereotypes, the scape-goating, the ease with which we blame our plight on others -- all of this distracts us from the common challenges we face -- war and poverty; injustice and inequality. We can no longer afford to build ourselves up by tearing someone else down. We can no longer afford to traffic in lies or fear or hate. It is the poison that we must purge from our politics; the wall that we must tear down before the hour grows too late.

Because if Dr. King could love his jailor; if he could call on the faithful who once sat where you do to forgive those who set dogs and fire hoses upon them, then surely we can look past what divides us in our time, and bind up our wounds, and erase the empathy deficit that exists in our hearts.

By Joel Achenbach  |  January 21, 2008; 8:44 AM ET
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Good morning, all!

Posted by: Slyness | January 21, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Here's a link to the text of the speech.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 21, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

This holiday is not much observed in MN. Government offices and banks are closed of course, but for most schools it is either a regular day or a teacher workday. However, I am taking the day "off" from any work that might take me away from the warmth of hearth and home. Today's project is a grant proposal for a local school system's music department. 75% of their students live in poverty. Because of federal mandates they have cut and cut and cut the music budget to the point where health and safety are at issue with shared instruments and chorus risers and acoustic panels that can't be used for fear they'll collapse and kill someone. The proposal will be easy to write, the editing to redact angry digressions about the state of the nation and arts education will take a while.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 21, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Powerful, powerful, that's what that sermon is. And completely relevant to what we face today.

Posted by: Slyness | January 21, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

We learned nothing in the 40 years since that sermon. It's as relevant today as it was the day it was given...

"The only change came from America as we increased our troop commitments in support of governments which were singularly corrupt, inept, and without popular support and all the while the people read our leaflets and received regular promises of peace and democracy and land reform. Now they languish under our bombs and consider us, not their fellow Vietnamese, the real enemy."

Posted by: TBG | January 21, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for posting that link, Joel. As beautiful as Martin Luther King's "I Have Dream" speech is, it is good to be reminded that he gave other powerful speeches as well.

This article discusses the breadth and complexity of his legacy:

I have always felt that MLK day is a challenge and a promise. A challenge to see people as individuals, and a promise that others will grant me the same courtesy.

Hope everyone has a great day. Mine looks to be busy.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 21, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I can't say that I have studied the life of King much more than the standard hagiography, but I understand that it was his opposition to the Vietnam War that really got the FBI file bulging.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 21, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Back to The Trail momentarily. Look who came a-callin' yesterday...

Freshly bruised from a second-place finish in the South Carolina Republican primary, presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee told a gathering of Texas financial supporters Sunday [the fundraiser at the Navasota ranch of actor Chuck Norris] that the GOP nomination may come down to the Lone Star State on March 4.

"By the time we get through Feb. 5, there still will not be a decisive winner," said Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas.

"I'm having to reach down deep and swallow my Arkansas pride, and it is taking everything in me to be able to say this, but, folks, Texas may just have to save this Arkansas boy and put us over the top in March of this year."

With the odds increasing that neither political party will have a clear nominee after Feb. 5, when more than 20 states hold primaries or caucuses, Texas could end up a major player in the contest, despite the Legislature's decision not to move its primaries up to join the multi-state vote. ...

At stake in Texas are 228 Democratic delegates apportioned on the election breakdown in their state senatorial districts. The Republicans will award 140 delegates, with most being awarded based on results by congressional district.

Posted by: Loomis | January 21, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I didn't know until last night that he graduated from Morehouse College when he was 18, graduated from seminary, was ordained and called to his first pastorage when he was only 20. He was 39 when he died. But I well remember how unpopular he was, unpopular like Abraham Lincoln, until the immensity of his achievements and the total correctness of his message became clear.

Posted by: Slyness | January 21, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

this was my favorite part of the mlk sermon:

And don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as his divine, messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with judgment, and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, "You're too arrogant! And if you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I'll place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know my name. Be still and know that I'm God."

do pastors even preach against militarism these days?

Posted by: L.A. lurker | January 21, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

So, Joel, you gonna interview Huckabee in Little Rock, or will your trip deal more with history?

*grinning because you are carrying about a book with a head of romaine lettuce on the cover. looking forward to your take on Pollan.*

Posted by: Loomis | January 21, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

frostbitten, thanks for the text sermon. what a powerful sermon, and so very timely. tears were right at the front, and still lingering there after reading that message. what a wonderful person was dr.king and a great leader.

had the breakfast, going back to bed. thanks for the advice all, i may have to take it. it so expensive going to the emergency room, and i try to keep cost down because i'm already in these folks debt, but if no improvement, will throw caution to the wind and move.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 21, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I am so grateful to the people who created this holiday, even though it meant a long struggle. It is so important to remember the teachings and example of Dr. King.

I am guessing that he preached this sermon more than once, because the written text of the speech (which is apparently a transcription from a recording) isn't the same as the Youtube version linked to in the kit.

The passage cited by l.a.lurker, for example, is powerful, indeed, and even seems somewhat familiar:

"And don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as his divine, messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with judgment, and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, "You're too arrogant! And if you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I'll place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know my name. Be still and know that I'm God."

But the recorded version posted on Youtube only includes the words up to the exclamation mark, and then he goes on, "It isn't easy to stand up for truth and for juctice..."

The text version also includes this passage that I've been searching for, and have referred to in past A-blog discussions:

"This call for a worldwide fellowship that lifts neighborly concern beyond one's tribe, race, class, and nation is in reality a call for an all-embracing, unconditional love for all men. This oft misunderstood and misinterpreted concept, so readily dismissed by the Nietzsches of the world as a weak and cowardly force, has now become an absolute necessity for the survival of mankind. And when I speak of love I'm not speaking of some sentimental and weak response. I am speaking of that force which all of the great religions have seen as the supreme unifying principle of life. Love is somehow the key that unlocks the door which leads to ultimate reality. This Hindu-Muslim-Christian-Jewish-Buddhist belief about ultimate reality is beautifully summed up in the first epistle of John: 'Let us love one another, for God is love. And every one that loveth is born of God and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is love. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us and his love is perfected in us.'"


(The recorded version does mention Nietsche and includes a reference to "ecumenical" activism, but it's phrased differently and doesn't mention other religions explicitly.)

Thanks for posting this, Joel.

Posted by: kbertocci | January 21, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, everyone.

Today is a good day for reflection; for considering how far we've come, and how far we have yet to go.


Posted by: bc | January 21, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

While many Americans were watching football, other endeavors of note were being wrapped up. Impressive new solo round-the-world sailing record!:

Posted by: Bob S. | January 21, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Remind me at some point to write something that clarifies the presidential contest so that everything makes sense.

Posted by: Achenbach | January 21, 2008 08:55 AM

Dang boss! You can do that? What are you waiting for!? Consider yourself reminded.

And while you're at it, how about a kit or three on understanding women? I know that I could use some advice and am quite sure there will be some interest here.

Martooni, great to see you back here. Make sure you are getting enough rest. See advice below.

Cassandra, what Curmudgen said. Get to a doctor or ER, take the meds, and stay in bed until you feel better. Then stay in bed at least one more day. I know that is hard but more rest now is actually much better in the long run.

Oh, and lots of chicken soup.

Posted by: DLD | January 21, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all. Hopelessly behind, will backboodle soon. A contemplative MLK Day to you all.

Acquired an iPhone, very cool. My pc laptop, alas, is so slow and cranky that it took a day to activate it and it still won't email. Phone works, though. Will finish with phone, then fix computer. At least computer email still works.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 21, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Love. Thanks Kb. That is enough.
Was kidnapped by a band of bevies and spirited away to Atonement. Amazing soundtrack, largely to typewriter. I think it much better than the novel. Much better for all the shifting to take place visually.

Mr. James McAvoy sports a familiar Celtic face, ringer for my many cousins: blue eyes and dark hair, that is the classic combination, much more so than the fabled ginger so admired by Mr. RD. However, during the closeups, I wanted to whisper, "Sunscreen, dear boy, SPF 50; now, quickly and often, there's a good lad. You'll thank me thirty years from now."

Posted by: College Parkian | January 21, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

This overheard at the movie theater by a smartly-dressed lady in her 70s, about Mr. McAvoy. "He can park his slippers under my bed any day."

Posted by: College Parkian | January 21, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

All caught up now. Martooni, I'm very glad to hear from you. I tried to email you off the new phone to see how you were (the benefit of copying a contact list is you can actually find contacts) but no email there yet.

Cassandra, I join in the chorus. GO to the ER/doctor. If you're thinking about it you must be really sick, so just go. I am better but still under the weather, nothing like the ill Boodlers though.

Loved the witty, erudite and serious threads, sorry to have missed it.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 21, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Joel for the link to Krugman's column. I remember returning to the mainland in the summer of 2001, after 2 years in Hawaii. Mr. F and I spent a few weeks in our fair city, the first time I'd spent more than 48 hours here in 20 years. It was hard to absorb the fact taht some young people had stayed and were raising families, new houses were being built, people were commuting to jobs a mere 20 miles away, and for the first time in 30 years there had been an "arms length" real estate transaction (that is someone was able to sell a piece of property to someone who was not a relative). Perplexed by this economic boomlet I asked Uncle Frostbitten, a former mayor and fire chief of our little town, what could account for the good fortune. Without hesitation he said "Eight years of a successful Clinton administration." Invoking Reagan's name won't go very far here-no matter how you paint his achievements.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 21, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I would add amazing visuals to the Atonement movie. We saw it the Saturday night before it got the Golden Globes nod--our first trip to that new humongous Greek theater in town, the Palladium.

Went back to that theater for a second time in the cold wind last Friday for the 5 p.m. showing of "There Will Be B1ood." Will reserve comment on this second movie since the tone of the Boodle is so pleasant this morning.

There is really good story about the house and the grounds of the house where "Atonement" was filmed, in the Home and Garden section of the NYT, titled, "The Other 'Atonement' Love Story." Here's the link in case you missed it.:

O.K., I will make one comment about two recent movies. Tommy Lee Jones is a big booster of Texas and was rather upset, I've read, when the decision was made to film "No Country for Old Men" in New Mexico. I knew right off the bat when scenes were shot to the east of Texas. The Daniel Day-Lewis film, based on an Upton Sinclair work, takes place in the Los Angeles area, but was filmed near Marfa and Fort Davis, Texas. There are some backdrops in the movie that just don't ring true to California. Go figure.

Posted by: Loomis | January 21, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Do the Wonkette editors read the Achenblog?

Your call.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 21, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

There's a call for me? Where's the phone? Darn kids--I can never find the wireless phones. Hello? Hello?

They seem to have hung up.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 21, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

OK, a question for you teckies out there--and especially you, Padouk, being the electrical/electronics engineer. Here it is: whenever my wife uses the shredder, there are crackles and static coming out of my computer speakers. So the question is, why would a shredder be sending out RF? And why would my speakers be picking it up. (I also get an occasional burst of conversation when somebody drives by the house while speaking on some sort of Nextel or some other kind of radio.)

So what's all that mean?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 21, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Good and relevant speech indeed.
The cold weather is here too, it's a good thing as the Rideau Canal is being flooded every night to build up the ice on the longest skating rink in the world. We should be able to skate by Winterlude's opening date of February 01.
The full moon in the dark sky was spectacular this morning but the Puppy was unmoved and the -14F/-26C temperature made it a brief contemplation.
CeePee, the just born Canadian Navy pretty much scuttle itself (pleonasm alert?) at the start of WWI and became a tiny bit of the Royal Navy. So RN rules applied and I believe the Franco were too "native" to join. Black guys (grand-pa, like most people of his generation, used a much more derogative word) could become stewards to the officers. But the Franco were good enough to be cannon fodder. My grand-pa was gassed in the summer of 1917 at Ypres and spent many months in a remote hospital near Switzerland until the end of the war. He got some money to study cooking after the hostilities were over and spend the rest of his life as a sous-chef, sauce chef, pastry chef and chef. His greatest achievement is probably being the pastry chef at the Château Frontenac, one of the prestigious Canadien Pacific hotels. His brother was wounded near the same place in the fall of 1917 but he was evacuated to Canada quickly. Ypres/Paschendaele is one of those places where half a million soldiers died moving the front 4km either way for a couple of years.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 21, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Good and relevant speech indeed.
The cold weather is here too, it's a good thing as the Rideau Canal is being flooded every night to build up the ice on the longest skating rink in the world. We should be able to skate by Winterlude's opening date of February 01.
The full moon in the dark sky was spectacular this morning but the Puppy was unmoved and the -14F/-26C temperature made it a brief contemplation.
CeePee, the just born Canadian Navy pretty much scuttle itself (pleonasm alert?) at the start of WWI and became a tiny bit of the Royal Navy. So RN rules applied and I believe the Franco were too "native" to join. Black guys (grand-pa, like most people of his generation, used a much more derogative word) could become stewards to the officers. But the Franco were good enough to be cannon fodder. My grand-pa was gassed in the summer of 1917 at Ypres and spent many months in a remote hospital near Switzerland until the end of the war. He got some money to study cooking after the hostilities were over and spend the rest of his life as a sous-chef, sauce chef, pastry chef and chef. His greatest achievement is probably being the pastry chef at the Château Frontenac, one of the prestigious Canadien Pacific hotels. His brother was wounded near the same place in the fall of 1917 but he was evacuated to Canada quickly. Ypres/Paschendaele is one of those places where half a million soldiers died moving the front 4km either way for a couple of years.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 21, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

SCC Heck? Sorry for the long double post. and Canadian Pacific, the Canadien is a hockey club.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 21, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Two different phenomena. Any motor will put noise back on the power line which can affect speakers, computers, televisions, and any other voltage dependent device. Line noise is a terrible problem that most commercial building power systems try to negate with filters and batteries.

Cell phones put out radio signals strong enough to be picked up as static on speaker cables that act as little antennas. My office speakers always crackle about two seconds before one of my coworkers gets a cell call.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 21, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Warning: my electrotechnics course is buried under 25 years worth of accumulated dredge.

Your speaker and speaker wires are obviously very poorly shielded, it's a common condition of cheap computer speaker.
Any electrical motor wil produce an oscillating electrical field that will be picked-up by poorly shielded electronic equipment. You must be picking up uncoded analog signals like walkie talkies or taxi radio dispatch. The numerical stuff like wi-fi and cell phone would probably come out as white moise.
Solution: upgrade your speakers and wires. Or put the entire office space into a well grounded giant Faraday Cage.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 21, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Shriek, you Grand-Pa was a chef at the Frontenac - very impressive.

Posted by: dmd | January 21, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

dmd, Pastry Chef mind you, not Executive chef. He was the Boss on some fancy cuise ships though. The ships belong to the Canada Steamship Lines (way before PM PM was in the picture) and were known as the White Ships/Bateaux Blancs. Starting during the prohibition and until air conditioning became mainstream in the early 50's these ships were picking up American passengers in the Washington-Boston corridor during the summer and were making cruises along the cold waters of the St-Lawrence and up the Saguenay river. Champagne and whiskey bottles were opened when the 12-miles line was crossed, of course. My father was a steward in those ships in the late 40's, as a summer job. Pure nepotism, of course.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 21, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Tiny pics of the White Ships.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 21, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Shriek, if you knew me better you would know that a pastry chef would impress me more than an Executive chef anyday. Have a neice well on her way to being a very impressive pastry chef.

Posted by: dmd | January 21, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I was 4 years old when LBJ delivered this speech, and today marks the first time I've read it in its entirety. These are the words of a man already holding the office of president, but oh that a candidate would have the strength to repeat them. Sen. Clinton must have had them in mind when she made her so-called controversial remarks, Sen. Obama probably cannot say them for fear of becoming "the black" candidate. From LBJ's speech to congress on March 15, 1965-
"...But rarely in any time does an issue lay bare the secret heart of America itself. Rarely are we met with a challenge, not to our growth or abundance, or our welfare or our security, but rather to the values and the purposes and the meaning of our beloved nation. The issue of equal rights for American Negroes is such an issue. And should we defeat every enemy, and should we double our wealth and conquer the stars, and still be unequal to this issue, then we will have failed as a people and as a nation. For, with a country as with a person, "what is a man profited if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

There is no Negro problem. There is no Southern problem. There is no Northern problem. There is only an American problem..." and later

"...All Americans must have the privileges of citizenship, regardless of race, and they are going to have those privileges of citizenship regardless of race.

But I would like to caution you and remind you that to exercise these privileges takes much more than just legal rights. It requires a trained mind and a healthy body. It requires a decent home and the chance to find a job and the opportunity to escape from the clutches of poverty.

Of course people cannot contribute to the nation if they are never taught to read or write; if their bodies are stunted from hunger; if their sickness goes untended; if their life is spent in hopeless poverty, just drawing a welfare check.

So we want to open the gates to opportunity. But we're also going to give all our people, black and white, the help that they need to walk through those gates. My first job after college was as a teacher in Cotulla, Texas, in a small Mexican-American school. Few of them could speak English and I couldn't speak much Spanish. My students were poor and they often came to class without breakfast and hungry. And they knew even in their youth the pain of prejudice. They never seemed to know why people disliked them, but they knew it was so because I saw it in their eyes.

I often walked home late in the afternoon after the classes were finished wishing there was more that I could do. But all I knew was to teach them the little that I knew, hoping that I might help them against the hardships that lay ahead. And somehow you never forget what poverty and hatred can do when you see its scars on the hopeful face of a young child.

I never thought then, in 1928, that I would be standing here in 1965. It never even occurred to me in my fondest dreams that I might have the chance to help the sons and daughters of those students, and to help people like them all over this country. But now I do have that chance.

And I'll let you in on a secret--I mean to use it. And I hope that you will use it with me.

This is the richest, most powerful country which ever occupied this globe. The might of past empires is little compared to ours. But I do not want to be the president who built empires, or sought grandeur, or extended dominion.

I want to be the president who educated young children to the wonders of their world. I want to be the President who helped to feed the hungry and to prepare them to be taxpayers instead of tax eaters. I want to be the President who helped the poor to find their own way and who protected the right of every citizen to vote in every election. I want to be the President who helped to end hatred among his fellow men and who promoted love among the people of all races, all regions and all parties. I want to be the President who helped to end war among the brothers of this earth."

Read it all here:

Posted by: frostbitten | January 21, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh my, even after previewing that turned out a lot longer than I had intended. A thousand pardons. (but no regrets)

Posted by: frostbitten | January 21, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Frosti - LBJ could certainly be a mean, hardbitten conservative SOB - but when he decided to make a change, he was certainly prepared to break some eggs.

Posted by: Bob S. | January 21, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to frostbitten. And thanks to yello for not giving us the additional lecture on power factor. And especially thankful for Dr. King. Peace.

Posted by: Jumper | January 21, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

we'll see how well obama does in the area of forgiveness moving forward.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | January 21, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Shrieking, I didn't know that about the Navy, that there were 'rules' about what the French citizens could do. On the internet I did read about how some fellows with German surnames could not do certain jobs in WW 2 but not the French. That should be gone now and hopefully will stay the way of the dodo.

I'm with dmd, pastry chef is held much higher in my esteem than executive chef in my eyes. An executive chef just has to feed people, but a pastry chef makes peoples hearts sing.

dmd, (waves hands, flails hands in air to attract attention) if your niece ever needs a taste tester, feel free to call on me.

Posted by: dr | January 21, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

teachers, you gotta love them! great speech.

and Obama's speech isn't to be sneezed at. the man knows he knows how to talk, and talk fact. not just pretty words, but true words. boy, is this going to be some election! the media is playing up the obama and clinton disagreement to the hilt. i still haven't talked to my dad. and it seems the words i spoke last week about the clinton and obama "thing" have come back to haunt me big time.

they're (media)saying bill clinton is just honoring his wife and protecting her as any husband would do, and we all understand that, but she is asking for the highest office in the land, and she needs back-up already before in office, it cannot send a good message. i'm not saying he can't be her counselor or advisor, but we need to know if she can stand, and stand without that protection. when bill clinton evokes so much of himself in the fray, it looks like his campaign. all i'm saying is keep him in the background. suppose the reverse was the fact. the rules shouldn't be different, but somehow they are. he could turn out to be an asset or a liability.

had the lunch, and feeling a little bit better. did not make the luncheon today, but kept them in my heart.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 21, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Come on folks, say what you feel. A friend of mine that lurks here occasionally said to me that all the people here must be white. She said that most white people are afraid to speak on race because they might be perceived as being racist if they voice their opinions. It just isn't done. Most say nice,but never really truly speak their mind. I do hope that those of you that participate in the Achenblog don't feel that way when talking about race with me or anyone else for that matter. Lip service won't work.
Truth wins the day.

And I know I probably talk too much, but as I said so many times here, if I at anytime offend anyone here, I am more than willing, and from a true heart, apologize big time. I mess up, we all do.
I think the folks here at the Achenblog have much to add to this conversation, and I consider all of you my closest and dearest friends. And I don't see that changing unless you come to my apartment and beat me up or something, and then I would just have to say, yeah, I know them, but not their real names.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 21, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon - What your speakers have is a classic case of RF pickup caused by the number of wires attached to your electronic devices. Any device that produces RF (cell phone, 2-way radio, switches that spark, dimmers, motors that spark, etc.) can cause interference. RF is picked up on the speaker, mouse, keyboard, and power leads, and is rectified in the computer electronics. Wizardry is required to fix this but I can give you some tips:

1)Make sure everything that can be grounded is grounded. This includes the computer and the shredder. You must test the wall outlets to ensure they really are properly grounded. Poorly grounded wall outlets are extremely common and are as much a safety hazard as they are an annoyance. Do not skip this step! The following steps require a good ground to be effective.

2)Sometime reversing plugs in the wall outlet will help. Try one at a time.

3)You will probably need some RF chokes or "clamp on, split ferrite cores"
( )
to suppress both radiation and RF pickup. These devices are inexpensive and easy to use. Radio Shack may have them as might Lowe's or Home Depot. Start by placing one on the computer end of each speaker lead and one on the computer power cord as close to the case as possible. Use the shredder as a RF test source. If needed, add them to the computer end of any lead that attaches to the computer. Need more suppression? Add cores to both ends of the leads, starting with the speakers lead, then the power lead, etc. Large cords, like power leads simply pass once through the center of the ferrite core. Smaller leads can pass several time though the core. More turns, more suppression.

4)Last, place the shredder's power cord through a ferrite core located as close to the shredder case as possible.

It may take some experimentation to find the best cure. Don't forget modem lines, cable TV leads, telephone lines, Ethernet cables, USB cables, and lamp cords as possible trouble makers.

If you have trouble finding the ferrite cores let me know. I have a box of them someplace and can send you some. Contact me at, user name "dldarling" if you need to. Reassemble the above to make an email address.

Let me know how it goes.

Posted by: DLD | January 21, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra- I think Bill needs to go home and bake some cookies, so to speak, before standing up for his wife becomes her biggest liability.

Does anyone remember much about Mr. Thatcher? As it should be.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 21, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Okay, looks like the link I sent only gets you to the cover page. Go to page 1459 to see what ferrite cores look like.

Posted by: DLD | January 21, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Ok Cassandra, I'll say something unpopular that I believe about race. I think it is stupid to restrict adoptions of black or bi-racial children to black or bi-racial couples. Our daughter had a terrible time fitting into our family when she first joined us at age 6 because she was the only "white" kid in the family under age 18.

Also, though I acknowledge the social value of spiritual beliefs of our local tribal community I think at times they are no better than the Islamic world in wanting to freeze doctrine in some long gone era. This really comes out when girls/women can't be part of the drum circle at Pow-wows and your tax dollars are used to support this spiritual apartheid in Bureau of Indian Affairs supported schools. Not to mention how traditional forms of land ownership, or shared control, though in tune with the "no one can own the earth" ethos deprives Indians of the ability to accumulate wealth through equity in the homes they own. (In upper midwest tribes it is common to own the home, but not the land on which it sits. The houses can be sold, but only to other registered members of the tribe.)

Oh, and when white people's hair gets wet it only smells like dog if it's dirty. Even wet dogs don't always smell doggy.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra, surely you don't think any of us would come and beat you up! We might hug you to death...

I've expressed my feelings here often enough that you know I'm more liable to agree with you than not. Love Barack, love MLK, love U2 because they wrote a song about MLK (several, in fact). I don't lose any sleep over OJ Simpson's treatment, though.

I still love Bill Clinton, but I'm annoyed at his campaign tactics. And I'm highly annoyed that he squandered his time in office. He had lots of trouble working with Democrats, for Pete's sake, even before the Monica scandal.

Posted by: mostlylurking | January 21, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm going home and in the car I'm going to listen to Avenue Q's "Everybody's A Little Bit Racist" as celebration that I had to work today.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 21, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Also, you guys should definately check out the blogsize Savage Politics at
Their articles are nothing I have read in any of the current media outlets.

Here is an excerpt from today's article called "MLK and the Establishment's Dream":

"Martin Luther King, Jr. was, by the standards of any reasonable human being, an impacting figure in American history. As a rabid organizer an advocate of African American rights, his exploits did influence public policy in Washington to the point of convincing important figures from the White Establishment to follow the long awaited current towards racial inclusion throughout the electoral process. Nevertheless, there is a sinister side to the Media's obsession with MLK and his legacy. Although history has had at its disposal many other Black heroes to choose from, American society (i.e. the Press and their sheep) had already decided to utilize King, Jr. as the picture-perfect illustration of what a revolutionary should be. And, even if we discount the "closet" datum which surround this historical figure, the fact that Boston University found, after a thorough investigation, that a third of his Doctoral dissertation had been plagiarized, or the lurid details about his sexual misconducts, or his affiliation to disreputable Soviet agents, the questionable aspects of his fame remain embedded into the Establishment's early acceptance of his legacy. What was it about MLK's message that clearly distinguished him, in the eyes of both his detractors and supporters and that as a consequence has engendered a cascading array of honors from the State, be it a Federal Holiday all the way to an upcoming monument in the heart of Washington, DC., between Jefferson and Lincoln?

America's obsession with political correctness and ideological cowardliness is not a recent phenomenon. It goes back to the infancy of the "Baby Boomer Generation" and its decade long stronghold on the concept of illusory tranquility. It was in the 1950's were the whole premise of "going safe", on everything from kitchen appliances to political figures, began to hatch. It's offspring was a social ambiance intolerant of radicalism and true revolutionary change, and speedily attracted to reactionary thought. That era's approach to any apparently dramatic modification of the status quo, was all variants of violent opposition, primarily founded on religious tradition and unwholesome fears of Communism, which were the prevalent scarecrows of the time. We can see this attitude in action when we study the time of Segregation in the South, a circumstance which didn't benefit anyone involved, be they White Southerners or African-Americans, for it created the prevalent structure of resentment and racial competition that would eventually explode into the bitterness in which we find ourselves immersed today. Nevertheless, segregation appealed to that generation of White Americans..."
Find the rest of the article at

Posted by: elsylee28 | January 21, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

frostbitten, a good home has to be filled with love and care. that's me. i think the issue about placing children in cultures according to their race believe this is the best because they don't want the child to feel isolated from their ancestors or people like themselves. i'm not sure i understand the reasoning behind it, probably need more information. and the thing about the hair, I had to laugh. and I'll bet anything, mr. clinton would be very upset if asked to go home and make cookies. he has been in the front for so long, and still is to some extent, taking a backseat will not come easy for this guy. yet this is what mrs. clinton will have to deal with if she becomes president, on a daily basis. those male egos and high levels of testerone(?).

no, mostly, i don't believe you would come and beat me up. just throwing a little humor in the mix. and yes, you do have a tendency to speak your mind, and it's all good.

alright, where's everybody else? don't keep me waiting, please. I know you have an opinion, and if you don't want to share, that's fine, but I would love to know. I must feel better, getting kind of bossy, right?(smile)

Posted by: cassandra s | January 21, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

" i think the issue about placing children in cultures according to their race believe this is the best because they don't want the child to feel isolated from their ancestors or people like themselves. " I know that's the arguement black social worker organizations made when they pushed for placement policies. However, I think the blanket policy that bi-racial kids should not go to white couples just plays into the old "one drop" evil.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 21, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

in that comment we have the words, rabid, exploits, sexual misconducts, Soviet affiliations, and plaigarzing of doctoral papers (elsylee), and that is to say what? that the media choose Dr. King for African-Americans? wouldn't his marches and advocacy of non-violence draw many to his cause as it seems it did. i'm not sure the accusations are correct, but i've never read anywhere that MLK was called Saint MLK.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Back after a busy day. What a wonderful speech by Obama - but, perhaps, a politically risky one. Although it will doubtless invigorate the much-needed black vote in SC, I wonder if it might cloud his overall message.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Used to be, a little prejudice would jump into my head if I was angry at various transgressors, of differing background. Once I realized that, I pretty much quit. Various malefactors respond better, anyway, to my chastising, if I leave that behind. So I have done so.

So in me, I have found prejudice linked to anger. And I am aware that lots of people hold their anger a lot closer than I ever wanted to. It's an addiction to some people, gives them strength, they think. Or semi-think. So, but I am just guessing here, I suspect prejudice is linked to anger in other people, also.

Posted by: Jumper | January 21, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

frostbitten, my first statement addresses how i feel about that. if the main ingredients aren't there (love and care), doesn't matter if the setting is purple, not going to work. social workers probably feel they have the child's best interest at heart. I've sent pictures to a couple people here of me, but if you saw my whole family, you would not believe I am related to these folks. It boils down to the love and care.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 21, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

On Martin Luther King Jr. Day, I feel it's important to give some of the credit where credit is due:

Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Ida Wells-Barnett, and dozens of less famous names had gone to court--or to jail--over their right to equal use of public transit. It was the sorest of sore points, and if there was an example of the way segregated transportation demeaned black patrons, it was the Montgomery, Alabama, bus system. Two-thirds of its patrons were black, and most of them were women who traveled to and from jobs as domestic workers. The first ten rows of seats were reserved for whites. Beyond that the bus driver made up the rules, backed by the authority of a gun. (Additional abuses documented.) ...

The perfect client [Rosa Parks] went to court on Monday, Dec. 5, 1955, wearing a long-sleeved black dress with white cuffs and collar and a small velvet hat with pearls across the top. "They've messed with the wrong one now," trilled a girl in the crowd. At a mass meeting that night, local black residents packed the Holt Street Baptist Church, where a reporter for the city's white daily found a crowd with "almost military discipline combined with emotion" listening passionately to a local minister who the reporter did not recognize, but would learn later was Martin Luther King Jr. They voted to boycott the city bus system indefinitely, sang hymns, and scrambled for the chance to put money in the hats that were being passed around. Rosa Parks was given a standing ovation, but she was not given a chance to speak on a night when virtually every black man in Motgomery wanted a moment in the spotlight. "You've said enough," one of the leaders assured her.

The boycott lasted for more than a year, as the blacks of Montgomry stunned the nation, and probably themselves, with the depth of their determination. It made Martin Luther King a national name. In laer years Reverend King always acknowledged that the boycott was actually organized by other people, although he never went out of his way to identify them. He rose on the shoulders of women like Jo Ann Robinson, who risked losing the university teaching job she loved in order to get the boycott under way, and the thousands and thousands of black women who walked to work rather than break the strike, braving not only the elements, but also white motorists who pelted them with water balloons, rotten eggs, and vegetables. ... Many years later, E.D. Nixon, the black Montgomery lawyer who represented Rosa Parks, met a woman on an airplane who told him she couldn't imagine what would have happened to black people if Martin Luther King had not come to Montgomery. "I said, 'If Mrs. Parks had got up and given that white man her seat you'd never aheard of Rev. King.'"

Gail Collins' 2003 "America's Women: 400 Years of Dolls, Drudges, Helpmates and Heroines"

Posted by: Loomis | January 21, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

jumper, you are so right. there's a lot of anger with prejudice. that's what makes racism such a volatile mix. it's an anger that is without limits, it kind of takes people all the way out there. that anger is the jump start for every hurt one might want to do to another human being, and feel justified in the doing. I deal with it all the time. I want to say I'm getting better, but I don't know. Here where I live, one gets tested a lot.

RD, people are so desperate to hear a message of change, and change for the better, they might not want to think about what you call, those pesky details.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 21, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra - the frustration I have with issues of race is that I don't know how I can live my life any differently.

I think I'm doing pretty good at getting through the day not oppressing anybody. I try to deal with the black people in my life as fairly as I do anyone else. I work for a black woman and am pretty gosh-darn fine with that. I avoid voting for any racists. I denounce hate speech of any kind.

I don't have a lot of close black friends, but I also don't have a lot of close friends of any kind. I wish this were different, but it is the way my life is.

On the other hand, I'm not really into White Guilt. I do not think the sins of the father should be handed off to the son. Besides, few of my ancestors were even in this country prior to 1900.

So, compared to other psychological factors in my interpersonal relations, the effects of race are pretty small. When evaluating a person race ranks in importance somewhere below the person's stated preference for chunky verses creamy peanut butter.

I have real issues with fans of chunky.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 21, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Vowell weighs in on the subject of Martin Luther King Day:

"Radical Love Gets a Holiday"

Posted by: kbertocci | January 21, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Frostbitten, I do agree that there should be no exemptions from basic human right laws and public school standards even for the sake of "ethnicity".

But... I'm wondering how failure to join the drum circle at pow-wows relate to BIA sponsored schools?

Are you saying there is gender inequality in the schools, or that the BIA schools are sponsoring sexist cultural and religious ceremonies during school hours which would be inappropriate in most other public schools?

I know so little about the situation.

Cassandra, tell your friend that most people in any majority tends to have less contact with minorities than vice versa.

Therefore, there is always an inequality in the majority group's understanding of race relations.

The reality is that distrust often goes two ways, but because of sheer numbers and/or socioeconomic inequality (as well as racist politics), the minority gets the disproportionate brunt of prejudice.

This is why segregation hurt black schools far more than white schools.

As an example of why this isn't just about racism, ask her HER opinion on her understanding of the oppression of the deaf, and how the black community oppresses deaf african-americans as well.

I bet you she knows bupkis about deaf history. Why should she? She's not deaf.

And if I went up and told her she was oppressing the deaf with every attitude and prejudice she had, she would be openly hostile or defensive, because in her mind, she didn't do anything personally to hurt any specific deaf person. I probably could go on to prove otherwise by simply taking her career history.

But what good does that do?

The majority of the majorities rarely know exactly how they are discriminating and consciously working to holding others down.
And when others complain, they think minorities are asking for special treatment instead of a simple door open for them to enter like everybody else.

Maybe the minority really doesn't get how life is played by the rules of the majority and how hard it is already, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't fight to get the rules changed for the benefit of all.

I do know that change can be scary enough especially if the rules feel hard enough already and that the new rules are only biased to favor some people.

Which is why I was impressed by how Obama approached the problem of police brutality to minorities by trying to get ALL interrogations and confessions videotaped. Not just for the minorities. Everybody.
For me and anybody else whose native language is not English, that means the original, not just the translation of the interrogation and confessions can be independently checked, re-translated and redacted. I do not have to worry that anybody, through misunderstanding or malice, twisted my words to make it appear I confessed to something I didn't do.
This is a good move for human rights in general, and it makes use of cheap and readily available technology.

This is long and confusing, but here's my feeling on race... race relations are not what they were 150 years ago by a long shot. Every day, how we interact influences what race relations are like tomorrow.

The more "us versus them" things get, the worse it will be for minorities. And that's the truth.

Does it mean that minorities should assimilate into the majority to make things work?
To some extent... yes, everybody has to play by the rules to get ahead, and keep personal what might cause backlash of prejudice or too many questions.

To get people looking at you more as "them" instead of "us" is always dangerous.

Maybe that's why white people don't want to talk openly about racism. If they really agreed with every racist insult out there, they wouldn't be civilized enough to say one single sentence to a black person without being openly racist.

However, they have heard it on their side... they may have rebutted it, they may have kept silent, they may have changed the subject or dropped the acquaintance as far as possible. They also know they can't possibly speak for most of the people they know on the subject of race.

So how do you talk about race and create the consciousness of us/them in that situation, to somebody who might be more than ready to explode with anger and frustration at you as a symbol of "them?"

I mean, if you have answers to how to fix things, we're willing to listen. We are.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 21, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse


women in most many cultures endure being left out or carrying the burden of whatever. we know there isn't equality for women in this country and many of the industrialized nations of this world. and in countries that are still struggling, it is even less. african-american women have always been the strong influence in our families. and I don't say that to disparage our brothers, no, not one bit. we love our brothers, our fathers, our husbands, our sons. They are men, and the heads of our households, and despite their difficulties we hang with them. and the Scriptures teaches me that God is not a respecter of persons. I believe that. more of our brothers, regardless of race, should believe that too.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 21, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

RD-you and I will never get along. Chunky, in fact super-chunky, is the way to go. Creamy peanut butter is barely food.

I'm not into white guilt either, but I think it is important to remember that white immigrants walked into a system that gave them, or at least their assimilated progeny, an economic leg up. The Lithuanian great-grandfather for whom I am named could hide his Catholicism when it came to getting a job as a coal miner in Pennsylvania. Even his closest neighbors didn't know he was "born" Catholic until his funeral.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 21, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

frosty - you make a good point. My immigrant ancestors might have benefited in some way from racism even if they themselves were not facilitators of that system. But who knows? And the point still remains. I don't know how to live my life any better in this regard.

Super-chunky? Oh my. The infiltration is greater than I ever feared.

(Actually, of course, my aversion to chunky is simply because my mother used to serve us nothing but all-natural chunky peanut butter. The kind you had to keep in the fridge to prevent separation. I blame my shoulder problems on having to manhandle this stuff out of the can.)

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Wilbord asks, "Are you saying there is gender inequality in the schools, or that the BIA schools are sponsoring sexist cultural and religious ceremonies during school hours which would be inappropriate in most other public schools?" Yes, and yes. They are called "cultural" and "spiritual" events but would be classified as religious ceremonies in any other public school. I wonder why the "prayer in school" folks, both pro and anti, haven't taken on this issue.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 21, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra... come to your apartment and beat you up? Reminds me of a friend's story. When she was teaching young children there was a little girl who came in crying and said her daddy beat her every morning.

My friend was ready to initiate some sort of child welfare action when the girl revealed that her daddy beat her AT GETTING DRESSED every morning. He was he first one dressed in their daily race! And she was crying because she never won the race. So if you try that trick with the g-girl, make sure she's not getting anyone confused about what's going on there.


So you want to hear what I think?

Ok, here goes.. I think Barack Obama would make a great president and I will vote for him proudly and support him wholeheartedly if he is the Democratic nominee, but I'm afraid a majority of this country might not vote for a black man.

I think Hillary Clinton would make a great president and I will vote for her proudly and support her wholeheartedly if she is the Democratic nominee, but I'm afraid a majority of this country might not vote for a woman--Clinton in particular.

I hope that doesn't make me sound racist or sexist. I just think that's the way it is. I'd like to think it's NOT the way it is.

Remember... this is the same country that elected George W Bush... twice. Ugh.

Posted by: TBG | January 21, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

RD-all is forgotten re: peanut butter. You earned your aversion, and my lasting sympathy.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 21, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

elsylee28, Cassandra beat me to it, but I think there is a good reason why you've read stuff on that Web site you haven't read elsewhere. It's crap, that's why.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 21, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

TBG-Frostdottir was very excited in first grade when a real Coast Guard Commander came to speak to her class on career day. He explained that the "drug interdiction mission" meant catching people who bring illegal drugs into our country. Her hand shot up to volunteer the info "My mom takes drugs!" She meant her birth mom, but it was months before her teacher was completely comfortable around me. Then there was the morning her daycare provider overslept and as we leaned on the doorbell in the dark Frostdottir exclaimed, as if making an announcement to all the commuters climbing into their cars, "I bet she's drunk!"

Posted by: frostbitten | January 21, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

And, before I hit "submit" too soon. I feel just as TBG does. I'll vote for the dem nominee over anyone the rep's put up, but I hope I'm not in the minority.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 21, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse


i had to go back and read your comment twice. you make some interesting points. it is true that seldom does the white majority enjoined themselves to minorities, especially african-americans. because they are the majority our contact with them is always a given. and yes, the majority hears certain things pertaining to african-americans and no, they don't speak up, they move on. it will take a conscious effort by both parties to make this work. I still say talk is the beginning. more conversation, and serious conversation, not just lip service. and not just on MLK day. Perhaps because the majority is white, they may not feel they need to make that effort, that their status will keep them and ward off any thing uncomfortable. They take full satisfaction in not having to really deal with race. i believe many have made up their minds it is of no consequence. as sam donaldson asked the naacp president one time, where will you go, and what will you do. one of the CNN anchors basically repeated that same sentiment during the march in Texas about the noose on the tree and the young men in jail. people sometimes take rest in their power and feel that will never change. we delude ourselves with that thinking.

it has always been my contention that bad race relations hurt not just african-americans but the white majority too. it denies us all our humanity and the right to live in harmony. it holds us all in fear when hatred and intolerance win the day. it is the biggest and worse problem in this country, and until we make a honest and concerted effort to bury it and move on, we will suffer, and suffer badly.

when i say we need to have a funeral, i'm thinking about what happens at a funeral here in many of the churches that african americans attend. the family marches in behind their loved one, and during the service different one stand up and say a few words about this person and their life. the pastor then gives the message, and of course, the message is for those of us that can hear it. it our chance to hear God's word because when we take that sister or brother's place, words will not do. it is too late. We need to talk, we need to hear that word, and we need to act. Come together in the spirit of love and bury that cancer that eats us alive on a daily basis. We've had problems with race so long in this country, I think some people love it so. It tears our love of country and fellowman to shreds. And then we need to bury it as far as it can be buried and live, live, and live.

And RD, I think your world would be greatly enriched developing a friendship with someone that doesn't necessarily look like you. Of course, I qualify big time!

Posted by: cassandra s | January 21, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

i'm just speaking for myself out of respect for those who are not religious,
but i cannot truly love or truly forgive without god's help.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | January 21, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

"And RD, I think your world would be greatly enriched developing a friendship with someone that doesn't necessarily look like you. Of course, I qualify big time!"

I think that's already happened here, Cassandra!

Posted by: TBG | January 21, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

kb, thanks for that link - it's great. The Sermon on the Mount is what I go back to - that, and the 23rd Psalm, King James version (but I digress).

Won't be visiting the savage politics page...

Chunky rules! (My kid prefers creamy PB, so we have it in the house.)

Posted by: mostlylurking | January 21, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Ha, ha, I read it too, Mudge. You are right. That fellow watches too much TV also.

It was Leonard Pitts, I'm pretty sure, who wrote a column about how he had to explain to a colleague that racism was not "much better nowadays" if your kids are regularly targetted when walking on the sidewalks by yahoos in pickup trucks who think it's funny to "pretend" they are about to run them down, then turn aside at the last moment. His white colleague was totally aghast, and the author had to explain that this sort of stuff is common; only slightly less severe examples happen on a daily basis. It was, by the account, a moment of awakening.

Posted by: Jumper | January 21, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

TBG, I think you may have something there, but isn't that so sad. I haven't made up my mind yet. I love that Obama is a serious candidate, and I am thrilled that a woman is considered as a serious candidate also.

I still say this is going to be one for the books. And just think the fun hasn't really begun yet. And if African-Americans decide to go to the polls, we might get a surprise. A big surprise. I just hope we don't have the mess we had with election of this administration because I don't think people will swallow it very well.

It is that feeling that so many have wherein they believe it is impossible for Obama or Clinton to win. It's like cutting ourselves off at the gate. And I realize there is some truth to it, but oh, what a sad case! And we have the last eight years to go by, but evidently because it looked like what it looked like, it was okay. You think?

Posted by: cassandra s | January 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

What's the demographic of actual voters? More men, or women?

Posted by: Jumper | January 21, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Google was kind; went right to it:
Elections hugely determined by women.

Posted by: Jumper | January 21, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse


you are not alone in that. we all need God's help in loving others. in this country we have a long history of wrongs done to minorities. we can't heal that without love. we have to first forgive, and put it all behind us before we can move forward. there has to be forgiveness from God and forgiveness from each other. that's what i'm talking about. this country has never had an open discussion about race and the hurts done to people of color. we haven't begged each other's pardon or said i'm sorry. instead we add more and more fuel to the hurt and anger. and as surely as i breath, i might be dead and gone, and never see it, but until we do that, it will devour us and this great country we profess to love so much. that has to be done in order to move on. we keep this stuff alive but not acknowledging its venom. We need God and the power of His love found only through Christ.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 21, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I would argue that they don't even know, let alone feel the extent of the race problem.

I absolutely agree that the harm is always on both sides. I think whenever people are justified in treating people inequally under the law, that evil can only spread to the rest of society.

RD's ancestors may have benefitted by favoritism to white immigrants, but I doubt it. Prejudice to catholic, non-English speaking immigrants has always been high (First the Irish, then the Italians, and now the 'Ispanics).

Even if they can hide their religion, there's the matter of appearance and dialect. Now the Irish and Italians have assimilated into EVERY socioeconomic class of America and entered the melting bowl. It's so hard to point a finger and stereotype them anymore.

To me, the particular problem of blacks is that for centuries, there were laws in place specifically designed to hold black people back from succeeding like everybody else. Today we're just beginning to see what can happen when those restrictions have been lifted. It's not even been 38 years since MLK died, and society looks pretty different.

God said the tribe of Israel would have to spend 40 years wandering in the desert even once free of Egypt to be ready for the Promised Land.

We're nearly there. Just count up all the black role models today-- and not just in sports and entertainment.

In another 40 years, if we keep fighting for no more restrictions and race politics, equality in education, breaking poverty for all NOW, you will see even more soaring. And the hurts of the past won't matter so much anymore.

I hope so, because I have 4 biracial children in my family's next generation.

And I'm with Frostbitten-- biracial children need to be adopted in homes that will welcome them, and there simply aren't enough with the "right" skin color or hair texture out there.

Maybe they'll be sad, maybe they'll be happy, maybe they'll be all sorts, but every child needs a true, stable home, not serial foster care or group homes.

I have a friend who was a foster kid his full childhood, and he will never live down the pain of always looking for love and always feeling left out. He got into gangs as a youth, he acted out, he was lucky to get out alive, became a strong christian, and so on.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 21, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I think what South Africa did with the Truth and Reconciliation hearings is what we need - but 150 years later, it's hard to do, or wouldn't have the same effect it would have in 1865 or so. There are bitter wounds from slavery and the Civil War that seem like they will never heal. But the younger generations may get past all that, eventually. Although South Carolina flying the Confederate flag isn't a good sign of that, to me.

Interesting article here:

And this from the local paper:
What struck me was this:
"After the street memorial for Allen went up, unexpected visitors dropped by.

"People say white people don't care," said Camille, who is African-American. "Well, white people came and washed our blankets and brought us hot chocolate. Not all white people are bad."

This in a polite, liberal, politically correct city where racism is covert - but apparently still exists.

Posted by: mostlylurking | January 21, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

As always I have enjoyed talking to all of you. I appreciate your openess and candor in this discussion, and I hope we can always talk frankly about race and any other subject. I am tired and it has been a long day for me. I hope your evening is pleasant and everyone is ready to jump back in the system tomorrow.

night, boodle, and pleasant dreams.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 21, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Night, and rest well with your cold/flu/whatever.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 21, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Another quantum leap towards tricorders...

Identifying cancer by bioimpedance spectroscopy, no cuttin' needed.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 21, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Late to the party again. I've said before, I was raised colorblind in integrated schools, and that formed my lasting perspective on race. I see and am appalled by the terrible nonsense which minorities suffer, often daily. I'm sorry it happens, I want it to stop, and I speak out against it when I can. I'm trying to raise the Boy that way too. Beyond that, it just doesn't make any sense to me. I have prejudices, absolutely, but they're not based on race or gender or even sexual orientation. None of those things seem to me to be bases on which to judge others. I've never understood racial prejudice.

I like chunky peanut butter. Also dark chocolate.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 21, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Wrote a longish paragraph on race. Computer ate it. Short version: Racial prejudice makes no sense to me, never has, never will. I see, abhor & deplore the prejudice minorities face daily, speak out against it, want it to stop, teaching the Boy the same. My prejudices are not along racial, gender or sexual orientation lines.

I like chunky peanut butter & dark chocolate. Also smooth peanut butter & milk chocolate, just not so much.

Obama -- great speech. LBJ -- great speech. Thanks, frostbitten & Joel.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 21, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

G*****n lying Microsoft. Thanks to kbertocci for the Autoformat flow chart tip; I wrestled Word to a draw today and produced three acceptable, if not perfect, charts. Hah.

Good leftover dinner: pasta with sauce of leftover chicken sauteed in olive oil with minced garlic, oregano, basil, thyme, spinach.

Time for fencing.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 21, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Me too, Ivansmom.
But I will defend to the death RD's right to buy creamy.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 21, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

The "-isims" can become more difficult when they lodge secretly into institutions or remain within the hearts of people who are either truly bad or seriously wounded or mentally ill. I think that we are better as a society about racism and sexism. MLK is one of our heroes in this struggle.The discussion about race should continue to take place in thoughtful and sustained ways. I have an interesting perspective since I live in a majority-black area; how Latinos will be treated here is emerging. A recent school event is prompting a discussion about how stereotyping goes in many directions between black-white, white-black, Latino-black, black-Latino, white-Latino, Latino-white...and for P.G. county, a few Asian families, etc. The rise in intolerance toward immigrants -- particularly those from Latin and Central America -- now, partly out of election cant and a tanking economy, worries me. We are not acting out of our better New World angels with this bile. A student took a swing at a group of other students who called him "wetback." I had not heard that word in years; such a sting between young people. We cannot take for granted that young people need guidance!

But, I think that one of the most insidious "isms" is the way we see people as other:

car choice
music on tap
religious observances or ethical stances
accent/conversation pattern

The class "ism" is particularly hard for me to stomach. I grew up on the ethnic and working class side of town that also featured a flavor of WASP vs. "cat-lics." (Been meaning to ask SD, if the prejudice circa WWII in Canada against the Francophone people also reflects intermarriage with Indians.) I still see many experiences through this lens of class, particularly in an academic settings. Frankly, when I have a bad day, I am again, that freckled girl on the over side of the river, where miners and smelter-workers live, and few think about aiming for college. I hate those conversations when people complain about paying the plumber or the mechanic or the DSL technician.

I am happy to say that one of the CPDots spent a pleasant evening recently with a mechanic acquaintance. She was appalled when a friend, rather close one, indicated that this "mechanic date" could go no further because of education and goals. Dot spoke to me with such incredulity on her face, about the conversation, even a few days later. I am glad that I saw reflected in her face, how wrong that prejudice is about "working with your hands, as opposed to your brain." This part of my family code took root in her. Great victory.

All work is blessed. All people possess dignity.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 21, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Happy MLK Day

Thought I'd like to share some fun.

Posted by: Boko999 | January 21, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

CP, exactly. Since we were talking about Jane Austen, too, I think that's why her work still resonates. So much of what she writes about are the judgments made on appearance, or how much a person is perceived to be worth, money-wise. The more things change, eh?

Sad note - the guy who wrote Daydream Believer died. He was a member of the Kingston Trio -

Posted by: mostlylurking | January 21, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

What CP said.

I think we whites tend to be tongue-tied about race because we don't know what to say. "I'm sorry" isn't enough; "what can I do" is hypocritical, or seems that way to me. I am glad for the progress we have made but certainly there is much more to be done. The important thing is to be non-prejudiced in one's daily life, and to seek out ways to contribute to ending the problem.

Here's one thing: minorities and women who can get through the hoops are practically guaranteed a job with the fire department. The problem is getting them through the process, which is thorough and demanding, physically and intellectually. When a colleague and I visited one of jack's classes over a year ago, the kids were astounded that drug use will disqualify a candidate. Cassandra is right; education is the key to everything.

Posted by: Slyness | January 21, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I believe I've said before that voting for Jesse Helms is a sin God doesn't have to hold me accountable for. Here's a story that shows the measure of the man:

Posted by: Slyness | January 21, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Tee hee... editing jokes...

Posted by: TBG | January 21, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

tbg is nerd.


Posted by: L.A. lurker | January 21, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

What if it's not all crap? Would that make the man any less of an inspirational speaker, any less a leader who knew his life was on the line every minute of every day and yet still said what should have been said and did what was right?

Posted by: MedallionOfFerret | January 21, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm.. Medallion, that's not easy to parse, but I'll give it a shot -

If it's not all crap, then no, that wouldn't make the man any less of an inspirational speaker, any less ...

Posted by: Bob S. | January 22, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

I love apostrophe jokes! It took me a full three years to get the management to change the bathroom signs at an Air Force base bowling ally which read, "Men's" & "Ladie's".

Very annoying, that was!

Posted by: Bob S. | January 22, 2008 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get that it was an "alley".

Posted by: Bob S. | January 22, 2008 2:37 AM | Report abuse

My internet connection was veeeery sloooow the last couple of days. Apparently, our service provider was repairing a major fault in the submarine cable system in the China waters.

Hi, Martooni! Glad you're back.

My 2¢ on racism : There will be racism as long as there are different races on this planet. Since there will always be different races on this planet, that would mean racism will never ever going to go away. In every country where population is not homogeneous, you hear of racial discriminations. There's always going to be somebody stoking up the fire. Jumper said prejudice it is linked to anger. Bob S said it's fear. They are both right. People get irrational when they are angry and afraid.

I come from a country that is racially and linguistically divided. We have a lingua franca but everybody speak their own languages and dialects when they are with their own kind. The government is in the control of the majority race and practises racial discrimination. The present situation in Kenya? We've been there, done that 39 years ago. Another riot hasn't happened because the minorities exercised restraint and tolerance. Nobody wants a repeat but the government is always threatening the minorities that there'll be another one if they don't toe the line.

The minorities could only work with what they have and do what they can control so they emphasis on education within their families. Even that the majority race rules out the minority race with the quota system in university placements. A minority knows that he/she will not get promoted to the top if he/she works for the gov't. It doesn't matter how good he/she is. What we have is a brain drain of well educated minorities. This is the country's loss. Unfortunately, the politicians of the majority race care only about scoring points and not care about the future of the country.

Posted by: rainforest | January 22, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

What's the rule, five consecutive posts = boodlehogging? I guess I'll call it quits here. I've got some things that I'd like to say to Cassandra (& others) about race (& other things) that have come up today, but I also think that it would be more productive (& fun!) to say them when I can get some timely feedback, so as to minimize my occasional tendency to become so fond of my own voice that I wander astray from actual thoughtfulness.

Posted by: Bob S. | January 22, 2008 2:45 AM | Report abuse

Hi, rainforest! I'm still gonna call it a night here, but it was nice to hear from you first.

Posted by: Bob S. | January 22, 2008 2:48 AM | Report abuse

Hiya, Bob. Didn't think there's anybody at this hour.

Good nite. Or morning.

My post was in "limbo" for the longest time. Didn't think it would show up. Glad it did. I always have to do a refresh to see it.

Posted by: rainforest | January 22, 2008 3:08 AM | Report abuse

Still not ready to segue into tomorrow, which is today, I guess.

May I send you all a gift, tongue in cheek, of course. Only someone in full fledge wonk would send this, so I realize fingers are pointing back at me!

Posted by: dbG | January 22, 2008 3:58 AM | Report abuse

That's a cute button, dbG.

Posted by: rainforest | January 22, 2008 4:13 AM | Report abuse

'Mudge, your shredder was obviously just asking its neighbors to generate more paper for the next meal. :-)

And oh yes, Mr. Savage will surely change lots of minds 'round here... *snorting coffee out my nose*

Quoting an old pop tune --
"People are people
So why should it be
That you and I
Get along so awfully?"

Am I perfect in dealing with all people? No. But I do work towards judging the content of people's character, and only that. And of course, including civility and common courtesy regardless.

And *back-to-a-short-work-week Grover waves*, too. :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 22, 2008 5:09 AM | Report abuse

Morning, friends. Scotty, I see you're up and moving, albeit, a little slowly? I'm feeling a little better, nothing to brag about or run around the block about.

We're getting some nasty weather this morning in the counties around us, don't know what it's like outside yet. Still pretty much cold.

Morning,Mudge, Martooni, Slyness, and all.*waving*

It is getting closer to Thursday, the day I get my hearing-aid fixed or get a loaner. Either way, it will be a relief.

School starts back today, that is if the weather accomadates.

Hope all have a great day. And be careful if it's icy or slippery. Stay warm.

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 22, 2008 5:20 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Well, I see Scotty and Cassandra have already beaten me, which is as it should be: I like to see the world on a steady, upright basis.

Love the button, dbg. (Just nobody send me one.)

In the cruel, cruel irony department, am I the only one laughing my you-know-what off over this Post headline and teaser: "Feudal Politics Reign in Pakistan"
"Political analysts say system focused on ethnic tribes, family dynasties has slowed democracy."

Um, I wonder if the reference applies to political dynasties like the Clintons, Bushes and Romneys, and the ethnic tribes such as blacks, African-Americans, Latino/Hispanics (legal upstanding citizens as well as illegal border-crossing potential al Qaeda operatives the rightwing nutjobs are so worried about),Lutheran Norwegian Lutefisk eaters, South Carolina gun-totin' rednecks, Newyawk Jews for Giuliani whom he (foolishly) hopes will win him Florida, and etc. (I could go on, but it's early.) Just glad we don't have any feudal politics retarding democracy here.

And speaking of retards\ing democracy, Ann Telnes has a good cartoon about Feudal Dick Cheney and Tom Won't-Some-one-Please-Shut-Me-Up Cruise.

Good columns this morning by Eugene Robinson, E.J. Dionne and (somewhat surprisingly) Richard Cohen (about Britney, but it's a much better column than you'd think, considering the subject matter).

Oh, and the world economy appears to be plummeting, according to a rather scary headline. But nothing for us to worry about.

And here's your factoid of the day: according to a smaller headline, people who live in Gaza are called Gazans. I didn't know that. ("Toto, we're not in Gazans any more.")

OK, that's it. Ablutions and food (and a commute) await. See you all back here in 3 hours.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 22, 2008 5:46 AM | Report abuse

Oh, FYI, I did a little Googling and found at least half a dozen sites where "elsylee" has touted that SavagePolitics" Web site, most of them with the same lead: "Also, you guys should definately check out the blogsize Savage Politics at Link
Their articles are nothing I have read in any of the current media outlets." Then she appends excerpts from same. She seems to spend a lot of time going around to various comment sections all over the Web and doing this. Of course, she's entitled to her opinions and is welcome to do so here .. but if she's who I think she is, I might note that she is by profession a marketing director, and my suspicion is she's just doing some promotional marketing for somebody.

Or maybe not, who knows.

OK, carry on.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 22, 2008 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson is at his game this morning, and Bill Clinton is his subject. Robinson makes some good observation about Clinton. I still say he's(Clinton)projecting himself too much in the front. Stay behind the scenes. It's makes it seem as if we're getting two for the price of one, and maybe we are, but, I'd like to think the person I voted for, if it's Mrs. Clinton, is the person in control. The man has completely thrown off the statesmanship coat. If he's upset because someone talked about his presidency in not so favorable terms, he needs to pony up(?), because there will be more of that to come from the other camp.

And Richard Coen on Britany. Good reading if one is interested in the fortune this young woman has amassed and still drawing in by living the life she lives. I could never see an African-American young woman drawing that kind of an income or getting that kind of press all while living the kind of lifestyle she(Britany) is apparently living. First of all, it would be considered par for the course for an African-American, that is what most would believe. And as far as the behavior concerning the children, needless to say the courthouse would be full, and some serious crimes tried on the part of that young woman. I see...prison. But hey, we all know the law speaks a different language to the rich and moneyed, and most certainly at times to race. This is what our children see, and this is what is glorified in this country. Our hearts go out to this kind of thing, as well as our money.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 22, 2008 7:08 AM | Report abuse

I hope elsylee's not being paid for her "marketing" since the readership here is supposedly measured in dozens.

Good morning all. Did not get enough done yesterday and now I'm looking at a very long day. But the coffee's fresh and perhaps we can all give Joel a gentle reminder that he was going to explain it all.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 22, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Morning, all. Cassandra, not nearly as cold here as it was yesterday, and the roads appear to be clear. Hope you're feeling much better as the day goes on!

Today's task is to go for a mammogram. Not my favorite medical test, but I'm overdue. At least I can take the walk at the normal time this morning, as it's 30 degrees. I didn't walk till after lunch yesterday; it was 15 when I got up, and I prefer not to exercise when it's below 20.

I was sorry to see that the nerd buttons sold out. I'd love to have one, since the younger dottir self-identifies (correctly) as one.

Posted by: Slyness | January 22, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse


I'd tend to think "elysee" would be a bot, in that case, programmed to search on "blog" and "MLK." Could be a human bot, but the end result is the same. *shrug*


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 22, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

I have some backboodling to do, but I did manage to catch some of the Dem debate last night - hey, it's gettin' a little nasty out there. I think the Clintons are getting to Obama, but I think that strategy - if it's a conscious one - could backfire. We'll see, right?

More later.


Posted by: bc | January 22, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

bc, I agree. Obama and Edwards looked better to me, collegial-wise and dignity-wise.

Clinton (H) looked in political-barb mode. Didn't work for me.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 22, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

elysee could be a bot or a person. The fact that the post was completely generic leads to bot-ness. I will often do a GoogleBlogSearch for other blogs writing about my same topic. Depending on how I feel, I will either ignore the post, leave a quick message with no link, or an on-topic comment with a link to my blog.

My blogpost yesterday, which I'm deliberately not linking to, led me to some pretty dark wing-nut spots. Just because there is a conspiracy theory, doesn't mean there isn't a conspiracy.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 22, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Now that King Day is over, we can all get back to hating each other on the basis of skin tone (I don't believe in race and there is plenty of intra-racial prejudice), tribal affiliation, religion, religious schism, ancestry, musical preferences, and bread buttering practices. The more I study history and culture, the more I find that anywhere you go there is one group hated by another for the silliest of reasons. Animosity seems to be hard-wired into our DNA.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 22, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

"I could never see an African-American young woman drawing that kind of an income or getting that kind of press all while living the kind of lifestyle she(Britany) is apparently living."

Cassandra, I think you are forgetting Whitney Houston, just to name one.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 22, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse


What about hating on the basis of grammar? I've seen swordfights over use of the serial comma.

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 22, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

This just in from a friend of mine:

"Important Hard Hitting News Regarding Groundhog Day This Year:

This year, both Groundhog Day and the State of the Union Address fall on the same day.

"As Air America Radio pointed out:

"It is an ironic juxtaposition: one involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to a creature of little intelligence for prognostication, and the other involves a Groundhog."

*well deserved rimshot*

Regarding elsylee: no, she's not a bot. I think I know who she is and where she works, and other background stuff. Although she starts off with the same sentence, the columns she excerptys from have been different.

Cassandra wrote: "I could never see an African-American young woman drawing that kind of an income or getting that kind of press all while living the kind of lifestyle she(Britany) is apparently living." I dunno, Cassandra; Oprah sure draws that kind of money and attention (though much more positive); so, too, did Whitney Huston during her various and sundry meltdowns. I don't know the relative incomes of Beyonce versus Britney, but I think Beyonce makes enough to be a contender. Of course, she isn't a moronic meltdown like Britney is, and the tabloids aren't going crazy (and generating the income) like they do over Britney--which ought to be a good thing, not a bad thing.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 22, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

yeah, you got me,k-guy. I don't think the money is the same. of course, whitney had bobby to shelter some of her storms, but most of the times, he was the storm. it's bad either way. and it is so sad for the children. the kids get the brunt of that existence, and it just ain't pretty.

do you think when one does not have to worry about money and making a living, it makes a person more susceptible to those kinds of troubles? I mean most of the time people have so much to be busy with, they hardly have time to fall from one messed up situation to another one. I know when I go to bed at night, I'm pretty pooped,but then I'm old, so perhaps that disqualifies me anyway.

I just don't see it as a happy life with cameras and news people on your every move. I mean, who wants that?

Posted by: cassandra s | January 22, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Then again, we can always fight over money... :-O

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 22, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

yello, I hope we don't go back to being mean. You make it sound like a one day wonder, and I suppose for some it is. A lot of work to be done. And yes, we will find something to be mad about. It just works that way for humans.

Positive is the word, Mudge, positive.

I did not see the debate last night, could someone update me, please? The television does not give a lot of details, and the closed captioning is sometimes messed up.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 22, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

The list wasn't meant to be comprehensive. Grammar, horse-riding style, pet preference, choice of mind altering substances, bodily mutilations, and left-sided or right-sided white greasepaint are all also fair game.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 22, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm trying to catch up here (behind by 360 posts). But wanted to give you all this:

Florian Cloud de Bounevialle O'Malley Armstrong

AKA Dido

Performing the song (White Flag) that was part of P&P video from Friday.

And the lyrics:

Posted by: omni | January 22, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

leaking linking...try again:

Posted by: omni | January 22, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I have to say I missed that trebuchet episode of NE, so thanks for the link RDP. I say it worth a second viewing:

Posted by: omni | January 22, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

And I forgot what is probably the third biggest factor in hate based fatal violence: professional sports team affiliation.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 22, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I think John Edwards won last night's debate in South Carolina--on style points alone.

Loser in last night's debate was CNN. What was the deal with the format, when for more than an hour the candidates were standing at podiums, then in the remaining portion of the program they were seated in chairs? Bah.

The biggest loser in last night's televised event was Wolf Blitzer, who promised to gently remind the debaters when they were going off-topic. How many times did the Wolfman do that? I would have to view the debate again, but I don't think more than once, if that. Blitzer seemed spineless, unable to rein in the runaway debaters.

One of the more interesting moments among the three contenders came when Obama discussed racism, Clinton discussed sexism, and Edward, classism--a subject Edwards claimed the Democratic party was very reluctant to discuss.

These candidates have unleashed, in the course of less than a month, a river of words on these subjects in the media. Bob Herbert writes this morning at the NYT about South Carolina--its racist past and its present-day situation. Carlos Guerra, our Metro columnist, writes this mornig in the Express-News about the Chicano *movimiento* in the '60s and today. Gail Collins, in the Jan. 20 NYT election blog, wrote sensibly and rather humourously about the role of the small states and the big delegate prizes associated with New Jersey, New York and California.

I would like to come back to Padouk, who raised the subject of Identity Politics or Group Politics last week. I intend to personalize my response to him, as CP did last night when she wrote about class differences. However, I don't want to do it until at least after tonight, when I, with my husband in tow, will attend a local event that deals with Seven Sisters--as a tangent. And when I respond to Padouk, I intend to introduce a new, historical family member. *warning--genealogy alert*


Posted by: Loomis | January 22, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

There's always the "paper or plastic" schism too, yellojkt.

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 22, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Have you gotten the results of your cancer screening test back, yet? Have been hoping for the best for you. If you mentioned the results previously, I missed it.

Ben there, done that. No fun, I know.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | January 22, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

About isms and stereotyping and patterns: I try to understand the somewhat personal-history patterns I use to respond to events and interactions. When I have a conversation with myself, I try to say something like this:

Wow. I am seeing this through the lens of class and my sometimes defensiveness about where I came from. However self-conscious I feel, I must recognize that other people may see other patterns. More than MAY, they DO use other personal patterns to make sense of the world. For example, let's say I have an interaction with a real American blue-blood, Republican, departmental chair male with lots of publishing to his cred, who is say twenty years older than me. Let's say the interaction is brisk and unsatisfying. I may feel conscious of

differences in class background
his power over me department-wise
his intellectual prowess and fecundity
his maleness
his generation
his "royalty"
his reserved persona (rude? shy? absorbed? absent-minded?)

But, he may be only operating out of irritation at the loss of budgetary pie in the university (I may not know that) OR he just lost out for the presidency of Harvard....So, he is miffed and impatient. Let's say he does not think for one moment about this interaction later in the day.

Shall (should?) I interpret him as a classist, elitist, sexist, or simply a rude person? Lots of possible stories here.

We operate without perfect information. We operate within limits. We operate out of our own patterns: strengths and weaknesses.

We don't always know what the other is thinking or feeling.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 22, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson (on the home page) vs. Michael Continetti yesterday just before 7 p.m. on the NYT Campaign Stops blog:

It's been said that Mr. Clinton's recent feistiness has revealed a side of him previously unknown to most Americans. But this is incorrect: he is rather a master of what one might call "strategic emotion," the use of tears or anger to comfort voters or intimidate the press. During his presidency Clinton lashed out at, among others, then-ABC White House correspondent Brit Hume in 1993; reporters who continued to raise questions about his involvement with Monica Lewinsky in 1998; and the Senate Republicans who rejected the 1999 Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.

These days the former president's "outbursts" serve a dual purpose: they lend the impression that Senator Clinton is the insurgent running against the media-supported Obama, while also creating the illusion that it is the former president, not his wife, who is actually the candidate for the Democratic nomination. Far from hurting Senator Clinton -- who also understands how to deploy strategic emotion, as we saw before the New Hampshire Democratic primary [genuine or manufactured is up for debate] -- former President Clinton effectively has rallied a coalition of Democrats to her cause.

Posted by: Loomis | January 22, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

college parkian, you are good people.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 22, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse


almost forgot, thanks for your take on the debate.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 22, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I don't think it wrong for Group Politics to do a reality check--"Where are now?", as opposed to 40 years ago when the civils rights movements, labor movement (for Chicanos, if you will, as Padouk labels it) or the feminist movement got under way at roughly the same times. I think this is a necessary and important dialogue or self-examination and extremely healthy.

As a personal example, it was the same situation for me when I Googled Christy Tews, the base camp manager for the women's Annapurna climb. "Where is she now?" Not to mention how is she doing, are her interests still the same and do they include climbing and physical fitness, is her life outlook the same or has it changed, is she more or less multicultural, is she dead or alive, can I even locate her through Google, as a senior citizen is she still making headlines or involved in something that would be posted to the Web?

Posted by: Loomis | January 22, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, try to check out Chris Cilliza's take on last night's South Carolina debates under the blog listing for His blogging this morning at The Fix is better than last night's effort.

Did you notice his use of the baseball-derived or nautical-derived "wheelhouse" in last night's write-up? Mudge, what have you started?

My gut feeling after last night's debate--when so many accusations were tossed back and forth, is that's Fact Checker Michael Dobbs would have a sleepless night. Apparently, that's not so, as it's Dobbs-Lite this morning.

Posted by: Loomis | January 22, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Stop being so reasonable CP. It's really annoying.

Posted by: Boko999 | January 22, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for asking, Don. My p-state is B9.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 22, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

My suspicion is that Beyoncé actually has a great deal MORE money than Britney. Her music isn't my speed, but she seems to be pretty disciplined about marketing and public behavior. She is a working popular musician with appeal across a broad age range and not so much desperate "look at me!" behavior. I wouldn't be surprised if these attributes pay off in a paycheck that is not so high as Britney's at its apogee, but that adds up over the long haul.

Posted by: Tim | January 22, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Loomis I never said the labor movement was for "Chicanos." I said that if one wishes to honor a labor leader such as César Estrada Chavez a new Federal Holiday is not needed since we already have Labor Day.

If you intend on straightening me out, please at least have the decency to really pay attention to what I am saying. Although my comments here are extemporaneous, as the many typos clearly show, I pretty much mean what I say.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 22, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

CP-you have reached my ideal, "being the grown up." In so many human interactions one person is being less than he should be. To step forward and be the grown up, even when done entirely internally, is to me a greater goal than heavenly reward and personally too often squandered by the over-riding desire for a cheap shot. Props!

Posted by: frostbitten | January 22, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

CP - I think you make a profound point. There are lots of hidden psychological forces that can drive an individuals actions. My personal bias is that psychological forces swamp most others.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 22, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I dunno, Linda--the term "wheelhouse" has been associated with baseball for as long as I can remember (which, as we all know, is nearing the millenium). How it got that way I don't know. Perhaps if I wasn't busy today I could dredge up some recollection about how I managed that, but it's not looking good.

Haven't had a chance to read any of the reporting or punditry yet on the debate, but saw a clip of it this morning on the "Today" show and it's pretty clear to me that Hillary was seriously out-of-line in misquoting what Obama said about Reagan et al. And their joint behavior over the last day or two makes me want to vote for "other" (in this case, Edwards by default). Neither one is doing themselves, the party, or their chances in November any good whatsoever.

Glad to hear it, K-guy. I join with Don; it's no fun being on a watch list and waiting for the results to come back. Had my latest PSA done Saturday; haven't seen the report yet. Went through it with a melanoma, too. (As if I didn't already have enough diseases and conditions.)

Yesterday on the Home Improvement channel (my wife's favorite channel, alas and dammitall) it was "Retirement in the Tropics" marathon day, with back-to-back shows on Punta Cana, St. Maarten, Roatan, Turks/Caicos, etc. Man, I am SOOOO ready to move to St. Maarten. I could be outa here in a heartbeat. (Someone needs to start a new category: in addition to regular p0rn there is food p0rn and now travel/retirement p0rn.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 22, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Oh my. Leave it to the folks at "The Onion" to reduce Group Politics to its logical conclusion.

(This is a streaming video.)

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 22, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Loomis I never said the labor movement was for "Chicanos." I said that if one wishes to honor a labor leader such as César Estrada Chavez a new Federal Holiday is not needed since we already have Labor Day.

If you intend on straightening me out, please at least have the decency to really pay attention to what I am saying. Although my comments here are extemporaneous, as the many typos clearly show, I pretty much mean what I say.

Technically, Padouk, you win this argument about what you said originally. But my argument, probably not stated as well as I could have since I have other items on my personal agenda today, is that your definition of Chavez's role is too narrow, thereby quashing the opportunity to celebrate this man--and hero to Latinos and hopefully, by extension, Americans--and the movement nationally. Even Wiki calls Chavez "a Mexican-American farm worker, labor leader, and civil rights activist."

Kennedy called him "one of the heroic figures of our time."Martin Luther King, Jr. telegraphed to him, "Our separate struggles are really one. A struggle for freedom, for dignity and for humanity." There were more strikes, boycotts, marches and fasts. There was jail time, too.


Paul Dickson, in his New Dickson Baseball Dictionary (Harcourt Brace & Company, 1999), defines "wheelhouse" in the baseball sense, which first appeared in print in 1959, as "That part of the strike zone in which the batter swings with the most power or strength; the path of the batter's best swing."

There are actually three possible origins for this baseball "wheelhouse": a ship's pilothouse, the locomotive turntable housing, or the paddlewheel housing on the stern of a riverboat. The argument for a ship's pilothouse being the source is that it is the center of control of the ship, so for a pitch to be "in the wheelhouse" would logically mean that it is under the batter's control in a way that other pitches are not.

On the other hand, it does seem more likely that the locomotive turntable "wheelhouse" (often called a "roundhouse"[[that's what we called it in Bakersfield since the Santa Fe RR roundhouse was only blocks from our bungalow]) is the source, likening the awesome swing of the rail yard turntable to the batter's powerful swing. An additional argument for this theory is that sweeping side-arm pitches have been known as "roundhouse" pitches since about 1910, and, of course, the "roundhouse punch" is delivered with the same sort of motion. Thus, by 1959, this sort of "wheelhouse" had already been used as a metaphor for powerful motion for more than fifty years.

Posted by: Loomis | January 22, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

If you wish to celebrate Chavez's legacy please do. Just leave me out of it. And if you are too busy to fully comprehend the words of another before taking him or her to task, then I respectfully suggest you refrain from doing so until your schedule allows sufficient time.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 22, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I saw a bit of the debate as i was passing out. Even with no sound it was apparent that Edwards did very very well. The faces said everything.

Its the Democrats to lose and they are going to have to know they can't destroy each other without hurting the results of the general election. Its hard to imagine them losing but there is many a slip twixt cup and lip.

Stickman, who was literally going to start a new job today, is now a guest at the hospital. Massive infection arrived in all its glory yesterday morning. Today he is in for a 'good cleaning', strong antibiotics and then they will decide what the heck they are going to do next. WE are all just a little sleep deprived, and grumpy this morning.

Posted by: dr | January 22, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

My best thoughts go out to you and your family dr.

Posted by: dmd | January 22, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Linda- you do have a valid underlying point. Chavez could be viewed as a civil rights figure. I would argue that his stature is neither as great nor his message as universally as powerful as MLK. Further, the spirit of his achievements are already incorporated in the spirit of MLK Day and Labor Day. Therefore, I really do not think the lack of a Federal Holiday designated "Chavez Day" is that unforgiving an oversight.

Which is the *only* point I was trying to make.

But, again, as Federal Employee I am all for upping the number of my paid days off.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 22, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Backskimming has revealed quite an interesting discussion over holiday. I didn't get a chance to watch the debate last night, but did get a taste of the tone by reading a post in the Fix that was specific in the discussion of how things have suddenly become personal. I may have overlooked a reference to this, but the link to Robinson's column on the front pagge, IIRC around 10 this a.m., didn't say "Bill Clinton, hit man". kI agree with you, 'Mudge that bring the conversation down to this level does little good. The D side doesn't need to be shooting themselves in the collective foot. Regardless of the link, Robinson's column is worth the read.

All of this political mess over the weekend has me back in the undecided camp regarding a vote in the primary this Saturday. I'm not sure, however, that my registration as an Independent will allow me to participate.
Speaking of PSA, and such, I'm reminded that I need to schedule the dreaded, mandatory-'cause-you're-50 appointment with the endoscope.

Posted by: jack | January 22, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh my dr. Best thoughts!

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 22, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeouch, dr, hope you are seeing improvements already. Be as grumpy as you need, and sleep well tonight.

Posted by: Slyness | January 22, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

dr.. all our best to Stickman. I'm sure they've tested him for MRSA... just one more thing to keep you up at night, Mom.

Hey.. where's Kerric been lately?

Posted by: TBG | January 22, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

What everyone else has said, dr. I hope that Stickman's convalescence is rapid. Peace be with you and your family.

Posted by: jack | January 22, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Hang in there, dr.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 22, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Locomotives come from roundhouses.
Grumpy, drunken, Philadelphians come from wheelhouses.

Posted by: Baby Leroy999 | January 22, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

*faxin' dr all the spare Cipro I can find*

Hope things approach normalcy very soon, dr.

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 22, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Just wondering aloud why this particular situation hasn't garnered more attention:

This, IMHO, is just about as clear a violation of the law as there can be, yet nobody has, to this point, been held accountable. Grrrrr...

Posted by: jack | January 22, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmph. I'm not *always* that grumpy, Boko. Sometimes I'm all mellow as all get out.

I agree, Jack. That story line has been infuriating me for months.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 22, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, 'Mudge. Particularly the revelations that there is the equivalent of multiple 12 minute gaps in the record that, instead, span months or years.

Posted by: jack | January 22, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Kerric has been working and sleeping. He has a couple sites where he can see the blog and one where he has no connection (he calls this the sticks) My guess is he has been in the sticks lately.

Now if he'd call his mother maybe she'd know where he has been. Having said this, I can pretty much guarantee that he is reading the blog, and I will get a call.

Catching that Cipro. Thanks for the good wishes, they will be relayed.

Posted by: dr | January 22, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Good luck, dr. At least your son can take the powerful Cipro. I took it once and the first dose practically near kilt me.

Padouk, California Law SB 984. One day...
*at least I don't Boodle on the gubbie's dime*

Posted by: Loomis | January 22, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Jack, just think of your appointment as a dry run for an IRS audit.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | January 22, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Um, Loomis, you wanna think about retracting *at least I don't Boodle on the gubbie's dime*? Because that applies equally to a dozen or more of us, and if you added the private sector that'd be pretty near all of us. It also implies (as the individual case may or may not be) that we aren't otherwise accomplishing our work, Boodling on breaks, etc., or are otherwise somehow cheating someone.

In my own particular case, my work flow is very light and erratic, and I often have long periods (once nearly two weeks) when I go without work to do. That ain't my fault and there's nothing I can do about it. (One might also notice I "disappear" for hours on end; that probably indicates I'm actually working...which I am).

(And there'd be no Boodle without us.)

That was a low blow.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 22, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I think it was Milton who said:
"They also serve who only sit and 'boodle while they wait."

Posted by: Bob S. | January 22, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

'good day all. I never realised SC could be so polarized on race and party politics. Herbert reports on his recent visit to the state in the NYT today. The GOP guys are all happy to report that almost 100% of the voters last Saturday were white and that the "blacks" are voting next Saturday. They also keep a statue of a rabidly racist legislator in front of the Confederate flag-flying state Legislature. Wow. I almost wanted to scream, hey it's the 21 century you morons.
Good luck to the Stickman dr. I've been battling some nasty bugs myself since Christmas but the increasingly synthetic antibio I'm getting prescibed get things under control. Once I'm finished with the cocktails of antibiotics my intestinal flora will be in need of one of those fecal bacteriotherapy.
Hopefully not.
Jumper, the endoscope is not your friend but the anaesthetics on the menu are something else. It's a different experience to serenely discuss the procedure with the techs while what it seems like yards of tubing and wires are unfurled from the reel. They do have the good stuff.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 22, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

My father used to say that if the shoe fits, wear it.

Posted by: Loomis | January 22, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Here's a civil rights issue I could use some assistance with from our legal minds and other types of know-it-alls.

In my Sunday School class, we were discussing the concept of identity, and a man in the class brought up the "fact"--which he got from a policeman--that where we live people are required to carry a photo ID card. He didn't say if it was supposedly a city or county or state law. But as far as I know, the U.S. Constitution precludes that kind of law. I'm sure the police officer was either mistaken or lying--or (remote possibility) was misunderstood. The man in question was homeless at the time and I'm sure that was the underlying issue. I would like to go back to the Sunday School class next week with some solid documentation that shows all U.S. residents have a right to walk around unencumbered by "papers" as in "having your papers in order."

Can y'all help with this?

Posted by: kbertocci | January 22, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

While I would never describe a colonoscopy as a "dry run" for anything, it's actually the prep that's a drag (a very thorough cleansing of the GI tract) and the procedure itself is no big deal. I asked to stay awake and watched a fair amount of my first one and got to see a polyp removed.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 22, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

That's it K-guy, you've got to run dry.
I also recommend the "awake" option. It makes for a riveting TV show. Reminded me of the 14" B&W TV days.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 22, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Britney Spears networth about 150 million
Beyoncé Knowles networth about 315 million

Posted by: omni | January 22, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

kbert - There are a lot of wrinkles [folks who've been stopped on reasonable suspicion of having commited a crime or the intention to do so can be compelled to identify themselves, all sorts of activities can require identification] but generally speaking, identification is definitely not required.

This Wiki article is a good starting point:

Posted by: Bob S. | January 22, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

The real legal beagles can weigh in on this but having some experience with "offenders" let me observe-

There is no requirement to carry ID when walking about. In fact, in some cases not being able to present your driver's license when operating a motor vehicle is not an offense (not having it with you is not the same as not having one). Now, not identifying yourself, as in refusing to give your name or giving a false name, can get you in hot water but that's not the same as not having documents. YMMV and every state is different.

Interestingly, this comes up at times with the white, affluent, crowd when they are out riding their $1,000 bicycles through stop signs.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 22, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

omni-Public radio's Marketplace Money show had an interview with a guy who has studied the Britney economy and it seems to me that Beyonce's only fault is keeping the wealth to herself. Britney's antics apparently drive an economic engine that rivals the GDP of many countries.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 22, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Linda - Indeed, I would be, strictly speaking, in violation of Federal Law except for the important caveat that what I am doing is considered "incidental" and approved by my supervisor.

You see, I have several computers in my office that are cranking away even as we speak. Therefore, I have sporadic downtime during the day as I wait for results.

As should be abundantly clear, I really don't spend a lot of time on these posts so they easily fall within this definition of incidental usage. Again, as explicitly approved by my supervisor.

And, as a further complication, I often get in very early and usually work in excess of 8 hour days. Indeed, even counting the time spent on these missives I really should be paid overtime, but usually don't bother because the documentation requirements are quite severe.

And so, alas, I am fully within the law.

And although I naturally applaud your enthusiastic stewardship of taxpayer funds, I cannot help but wonder what on earth this has to do with the topics of discussion.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 22, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Fred Thompson dropped out of the race.

Posted by: daiwanlan | January 22, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Do non-white affluent people not ride bikes? Or do they carry id at all times? Geez these broad brushes leave me so confused.

Posted by: LostInThought | January 22, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Fred Thompson, huh? I thought I heard a thud but I just assumed it was blue ice falling off Air Force One.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 22, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

A report of Annual incomes of music's top fifty earners puts Beyonce at position 34 Britney at 37 back in 2005.

Posted by: omni | January 22, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: omni | January 22, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Boodling in haste. Gummint time, but usually my computer, downtime or while parsing work problems. No complaints from anyone here, in fact my productivity highest in organization. If all gummint workers leave, gonna be a lonely Boodle. No surprise that RD Padouk take ethical step of getting supervisor approval first - in character generally - more than I did or I daresay most of us.

No requirement to carry ID but may be required to ID self when asked by law enforcement official - state/local law may vary.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 22, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The practical measurement of Republican announcements that they would streamline government, make it more efficient, etc. over the last 30 years might be Mudge's assertion that the boodle depends on federal worktime boodlers.

Next round headline issue for Republicans: "WAPO Blogger Achenbach Enabled Bush Deficits & Recession!"

Posted by: Orbinalis | January 22, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, RD, it depends on who/what one thinks the topic of discussion *is*, and the agenda one has when Boodling.

As far as IDs go, I *think* it is within state's rights to require drivers' licenses to operate motor vehicles but I don't recall the requirement to have it upon one's person at all times.

Unless there is a national ID requirement (that I'm not aware of) for people whose citizenship is not at issue, I think anything beyond that falls under state's rights. And I don't know if any of that is in the Constitution.

frosti, I don't understand why someone's skin color or the purchase price of a bicycle matters regarding the matter of the stop sign. If there's an issue, the police should handle it according to the laws of the jurisdiction, correct? If you have experience here, please explain.


Posted by: bc | January 22, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey, am I getting whitewashed with that broad brush?


Posted by: bc | January 22, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Thinking of Thompson, I still have no idea what's going on with the Republican primary in Florida, partly because I'm staying home with a cold. Hope Joel figures out what's up.

Pew is looking like a prime source for survey data.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | January 22, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of matters of law and order...

I covered the original "news" on Mr. Padilla. Everyone, please muster your best Emily Litella and repeat after me...



Posted by: Scottynuke | January 22, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I think frosti was just trying to illustrate the polar opposite of the usual homeless folks IN HER TOWN.

Let's not go Clinton on her. It's not like she said she thought Reagan was a great president or anything.


Posted by: TBG | January 22, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

The Lawson case mentioned above (the Wiki article has a link to the decision) is pretty clear, and hasn't been substantially modified, to the best of my knowledge. While there are any of a number of circumstances under which various authorities may demand that members of the public identify themselves, there are a relatively few circumstances under which they may require the possession and/or display of any particular form of identification.

Posted by: Bob S. | January 22, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks TBG. Extra info is always good. This morning, Dear Child was jumping on my bed...again, and after asking her again to please stop, she put her hands on her hips, lowered her brow a smidge, and said (or *I thought* she said) "EFF-YOU!" In that moment where I was thinking about how to respond as opposed to going postal, she added "ENN! I wanna have FUN Momma!" Shooting from the hip rarely results in a direct shot, and taking that extra moment might allow for additional input. Back to lurking mode.

Posted by: LostInThought | January 22, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

" there are a relatively few circumstances under which they may require the possession and/or display of any particular form of identification."

I believe that's a current Supreme Court issue right now regarding voting, no?

Posted by: TBG | January 22, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

One of the exceptions to which Bob S. may be referring is to people like me:

"The Permanent Resident Card, Form I-551, is issued to all Permanent Residents as evidence of alien registration and their permanent status in the US. The card must be in your possession at all times. This requirement means that you are not only required to have a currently valid Form I-551 at all times, but also that you must carry your currently valid Form I-551 on your person at all times."

Let me tell you, I feel ridiculous holding my green card with one hand while showering using the other.

Posted by: byoolin | January 22, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse


I'm pretty sure I saw Billy Mays hawking a "I-551 Shower Caddy" on cable this weekend.

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 22, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

If I weren't boodling, I'd be wasting my employer's money some other way. Since I am straight salary and all our clients are private, I boodle with a nearly clear conscience. And speaking of wasting time, I'm soliciting advice on what television box set I should be watching sans new programming on the idiot tube.

I know some people here may have strong opinions.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 22, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe it was Ron Popeil, I can't be sure. They don't make those infomercials in hi-def.


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 22, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Get to work, Padouk!

Posted by: Jumper | January 22, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

This will help muddy the waters on ID issues.

Posted by: Boko999 | January 22, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

With Thompson out, North Florida is up for grabs. And they ain't gonna be voting for Rudy.

Posted by: Jumper | January 22, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse


In the mid 60s, I saw a PSA spot about resident ALIENS, who were required to register annually etc. However, I had been watching Twilight Zone, etc. So, I was really frightened for about ten days, wondering about the aliens among us.....

Posted by: College Parkian | January 22, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Freaks and Geeks first, yello. Without a doubt.

Posted by: TBG | January 22, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

byoolin - I was in a restaurant restroom, and the sign said, "Employees must wash hands". So I waited, and waited...

Posted by: Bob S. | January 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, it's official -- I feel like I've been hit by a truck. Yep, I need a higher dose of my thyroid drugs. Going in tomorrow for the dracula treatment (blood work in laypeople's terms) and perhaps hear the news by Thursday (my doc works quickly). I am absolutely miserable -- really, really cranky (as opposed to my "normal" crankiness), sad (which is *not* me), fatigued and just brain-scattered (also not me). I really do need a higher dose, alright. Arrrggghhh.

Okay -- better. Thanks for the virtual shoulders.


Posted by: firsttimeblogger | January 22, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I was frequently (and not entirely incorrectly) considered a jerk when I was in the military because I would regularly refuse to present my I.D. card upon the demand of folks who had no business requiring it. For example, when depositing a US Gov't check [made out to her]into my wife's checking account ("What do I have to do with this transaction, and why do you want to see my identification? I'm just the bag man here!"), or when paying my NCO Club account bill in person ("Why do you need to see my ID card? If I'd put it into the drop box, you wouldn't need to see my ID."). On occasion, the person demanding it would get firm about it, we'd escalate it to a higher-up, and I was always right. Sigh.

Posted by: Bob S. | January 22, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

FTB, I know what of you speak. Hope they get the dosage straight post-haste. *HUGS*

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 22, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS: Actor Heath Ledger found dead in his New York apartment

That's all it says across the MSNBC page.

Posted by: TBG | January 22, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Well.. a little more now...

Heath Ledger found dead in NYC apartment
28-year-old actor was nominated for Oscar for 'Brokeback Mountain'

MSNBC News Services
updated 3 minutes ago

NEW YORK - A New York Police Department spokesman says the actor Heath Ledger has been found dead at a downtown Manhattan residence.

According to, Ledger, 28, was found dead in his bed in one of his residences in Soho by his housekeeper at 3:35 p.m. ET Tuesday.

The actor has a two-year-old daughter with former fiancee Michelle Williams. Ledger was set to play the Joker in the upcoming Batman film "The Dark Knight." He received an Academy Award nomination for his work in "Brokeback Mountain."

Posted by: TBG | January 22, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Hope you feel better soon, FTB.

Back in the heady (?) days of the Draft and Vietnam, everyone who had a draft card was "required to carry it at all times." (And it may still be that way today for all I know, since theoretically people still have to register, don't they?)

However, being legally required to carry a document isn't the same thing as being required to show it, absent some probable cause. (Otherwise, any law enforcement agent with proper jurisdiction at any time could walk up to any person for no reason whatsoever and demand to see a draft card, or Social Security Card, or driver's license, etc., which would clearly constitute harrassment.) So probable cause to make the request is generally required.

I don't believe a cop can make you show a driver's license if you aren't driving and he otherwise has no probable cause (which is admittedly pretty easy to fake in many circumstances).

Also just because a law says you are required to carry something doesn't make it "illegeal" per se to *not* carry it. Failure to comply with a law isn't necessarily "illegal." That requires being listed as a felony or misdemanor, etc., and a lot of these kinds of paperwork laws don't have that, and many matters are dealt with as civil matters rather than criminal (zoning matters, for example).

A jogger or bike rider who isn't carrying any ID isn't breaking any law, per se.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 22, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Ftb, I have to meet the vampire tomorrow for the lastest blood-tasting, as well.

I alway say it's like being gently driven over by a 18-wheeler with oversized, extremely soft tires.

I might downgrade this to being repeatedly driven over by a VW bug with oversized, soft tires. Still, it's worth checking thyroid status to rule that out for now, especially in frostbite weather.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 22, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Awww -- thanks Scotty. Helps a bit. In advance of the actual dosage boost, I just feel the cloud ever descending -- and we are soooo busy right now, with new clients coming in all the time (and,no, I'm not complaining about that) -- I just can't concentrate. Ah, well, gotta hold on to the last remaining piece of gumption (and I hope I don't drop it).

The hugs (*HUGS*) did help, though.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | January 22, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

That is a real bummer, ftb... stay warm as much as possible (but don't overheat with hot fluids), get up a little and move around (even if you really don't wanna) to get blood flowing when your mind is really shutting down, and get plenty of sleep.

Oh, and magnesium-containing foods are your friend; they help with the thyroid medicine conversion in your liver. That means green veggies, sunflower seeds, or nuts (and tea to a small degree).

Take care, and at all costs don't underdress for the weather.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 22, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

An actor named Heath Ledger has been found dead in NYC, according to the AP.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | January 22, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Sorry guys, I should have refreshed before reporting that death, she says moistly.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | January 22, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Fortunately I'm not at all squemish about blood (my own, anyway), and have to give it up all the time for one darn thing or another. Saturday I had seven tubes drawn just for routine stuff like PSA, triglycerides and cholesterol levels (I think that's the "Lipid Panel, right?), CBC panel (wjatever that is), and liver function (because I'm taking a strong anti-fungal med for my leg).

And two days from now I have to go in for my semi-annual half-day diabetes glucose tolerance test, during which they take a total of 37 tubes of blood at 15-minute increments over the course of about 3 hours. If the phlebotomist (fancy-schmancy word for the person with the dirty spike) is good, which the majority are, I don't even feel the needle going in. My big problem is that I've been poked, prodded and bled so much over the past few years that they sometimes have trouble finding a vein to tap. But the good ones always do, and its kinda spooky how they can both see and feel (and hit) something that small and that invisible.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 22, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

FTB -- selenium too. And, ask if may have a small amount of cytomel as part of your thyroid replacement. Many docs won't but some will. That can help you, especially if in the afternoon, you long to be in Toledo, Spain, taking your siesta. Not sure about Toledo, Ohio, however, they might take your weight -- no springs, honest weight -- when you are sleeping.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 22, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Gee, thanks, guys. I've been through this before. Usually a 1/4 upgrade in my dose of the generic drug (Levothyroxine) does the trick and I'm almost immediately a new woman (well, slightly used, if you really want to know the truth).

I am a fanatically healthy eater. Gotta get my greens (kale is a miracle food), and I take a handful of almonds while my dinner is in the microwave (where I cook almost everything -- it's great for fish).

CP -- you're hilarious. When I used to commute between Detroit and DC, while my mother was still alive, I used to take I-75 directly down to the Ohio Turnpike. That's the only way I've actually seen Toledo. On the other side of the ocean, I've only been in Madrid (but I kinda like the music. . .) and missed that Toledo. Ah, well. And there ain't *nobody* gonna weigh me, man. Asleep or awake (rousing self into a passion now -- oops, falling asleep again).

Not the end of the world, but just a bummer moment. I'll keep my virtual family informed, dontcha know.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | January 22, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

dr, hope stickman gets to feeling better. Is that you, dr? And all that are on the sick list, feel better. I will keep you in my prayers.

I'm still suffering. I've been trying avoid the doctor's office, but I may have to show up.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 22, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I too understand, ftb, and am envious that your doctor will made the adjustments in just 2 days. I'm lucky if mine gets me a new prescription in 2 weeks.

Posted by: Slyness | January 22, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

scotty, I love your hugs and grover waves.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 22, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Coyotes! And lawmakers claim dogs are the dangerous beasties?

I'm going to have to vent about this a little bit on my blog. Right after my beauty nap. And maybe dinner...

Posted by: Wilbrodog | January 22, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Ftb, remember all cruciferious vegetables should be cooked-- they contain goitrogens which actually impedes the uptake of iodine to your thyroid and block thyroid hormone production, causing your thyroid to grow bigger, etc.

I like kale too, adore broccoli, but cooked, not raw has to be my rule, even if I'm pretty much on nearly 100% replacement those days.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 22, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra it is. How are you feeling today? I hope this bug clears your system soon.

It almost reminds me of an old Stompin' Tom Connors song.

"Bugs Bugs Bugs, If I had them all in jugs
I'd dig dig dig, till a big big hole was dug dug dug--
And that would be the end of the bug song..."

If you want to hear it, you can listen to his dulcet tones signing it on youtube. I'm not strong enough to hear it again.

Posted by: dr | January 22, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Or, read this instead and get well-deserved rest.

I'm going to join Wilbrodog in that beauty nap now.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 22, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Sad news about Heath Ledger. Only 28.

FYI, I've been out in the hinterlands of Arkansas and have found it flat-out impossible to blog, despite abundant desire to do so. Now I'm back at the Little Rock airport but have to jump on a plane, heading home, then out again tomorrow night probably, but not sure where. We're kind of winging it...

Posted by: Achenbach | January 22, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Good lord, boss, don't let them completely wear you out! We can handle waiting for a new kit till you have a moment to put one up. We are playing together nicely.

Posted by: Slyness | January 22, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Good plan there what with keeping the travel plans secret and all. Prevents being followed by underworld spies.

I really enjoyed Heath Ledger in A Knight's Tale. (Which also includes the most entertaining commentary track in existence.)

His death is a terrible, terrible loss to his family and fans.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 22, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Desson has some insightful words:

(Streaming Audio)

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 22, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Desson's quick appreciation of Heath Ledger is just about ready-to-print. Now I'll have to see the Batman movie.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | January 22, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

A Rottweiler doing "Swan Lake" with soap bubbles?

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 22, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I just got a sudden jab of fear that there will be a tutu in my near future.

Say it ain't so, Wilbrod!

Posted by: Wilbrodog | January 22, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I hope not, Wilbrodog! You are much too dignified to be jumping after bubbles. Not to mention wearing a pink tutu.

Posted by: Slyness | January 22, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Not a tutu Wilbrodog. That would be silly.

More like an A-line skirt.

Posted by: TBG | January 22, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Some of us think that all Arkansas qualifies as "hinterlands". Although I've been to Little Rock and it was very nice.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 22, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey, boss, while you wuz out there in the hinterlands, didja bring us all back some hinters? Cuz that would be really nice, having some authentic Arkansas hinter, instead of the bottled, store-bought hinter manufactured in...New York. Or someplace.

I hear that out there in the "real America" they got these big, healthy free-range hinters running around loose and wandering the pastures and fields, and they say that during the rutting season the woods are alive with the sounds of big male hinters fighting each other and generally acting macho to impress the female hinters to see who can...well, you know. Birds and bees and hot monkey hinter sex, that kinda thing.

(Sheepish confession: I've never actually seen a hinter. Anybody know what one looks like?)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 22, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I had to look that word up "hinterland". A new one on me. I think the place I call home might qualify under that name.

I hope you can squeeze in some rest, JA. Your job really does sound tiring.

Off to bed. dr, I'm still suffering, although I hope to get out some tomorrow, God willing.

Night, boodle, sweet dreams.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 22, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Welll... I do a pretty good levade and courbette on command, although I keep dipping my forehand between my courbettes.

I've only very rarely done croupades. I suppose I could work on my piffade, I keep moving forward on that, and my pirouettes are sloppy.

I admit, I've never figured out what a capriole is; I'm not even sure a dog should ever do that, it could throw my back out!

I'm just not comfortable with the idea of the passage yet, never mind tempi or flying changes, either.

So much work to do, so much work to do.

(BTW to help you decipher all this, Wilbrod jokes that I'll get a dressage saddle instead of a tutu.)

Posted by: Wilbrodog | January 22, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

For any of the Achenblog attorneys here in the DC area (and for the comments of our attorneys who are not local) one of the PBS stations here, WETA, is showing the movie "The Paper Chase" Saturday night at 9:00 and Sunday morning at 11:00. I remember it being a very good flick but I haven't seen it for at least 25 years. I also liked the TV series that was made of it in the early '80s. John Houseman starred in both, of course. I had a professor in college who encouraged us to watch it to see the value of using study groups. I wonder how, or if, it is considered in law schools today.

Posted by: pj | January 22, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Little Rock is of course home to the Clinton Presidential Library (the first one). I have a few pictures of it:

I had to sneak in one snarky caption, but otherwise I was quite respectful.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 22, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I've been to Little Rock! In fact, the G family was interviewed on TV while waiting for the Arkansas Symphony (yes!) to begin its pre-fireworks performance on the riverbank on July 4th!

We didn't get to see ourselves, though, as the traffic, believe it or not, kept us from getting to our hotel in time for the 11:00 News.

It was at a BBQ dive in North Little Rock on that trip where we first experienced Frito Chili Pie. A place called Jo Jo's, I believe.

Posted by: TBG | January 22, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

But did you see any hinters?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 22, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

bottled hinter??? From New york City??? Neeew York City????!!!!!

Posted by: jack | January 22, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Hinters as far as the eye could see.

Posted by: TBG | January 22, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

On the lighter side, tonight was backwards dinner night at our house. This occasion is coincidental with report card day. The run up to report cards was fraught with a spate of bad grades by both our middle and eldest daughters, possibly due to pre holiday slackiness. Both of them, remarkably, came home with straight A's. Our son doesn't receive formal grades until next year, and came home with all E's (academic) and S's (behaviour). The teacher added a comment to the effect of "model citizen". Thus, backwards dinner: dessert comes first, and if that isn't enough, a regular meal. Tonight's fare came in the form of grande Sonic milkshakes. Model citizen must have come from my wife's side of the family. The exception was her Aunt Jackie, who got upset enough with her daughter to shoot her in the butt.

Posted by: jack | January 22, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I guess as Mudge's a sailor he's always gotten too drunk and distracted in port to go out to the hinterlands to hunt wild hinters. Still, no excuse ;).

Mudge, it's Hind-er land... the land behind a city, or districts behind the borders of a coast or a river. Literally, back country. As in land.

In shipping parlance, ships at ports are stocked with things transported in from the hinterlands.

Then they ship that stuff out to the forelands.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 22, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh my. My attempt at a snide remark about white people on expensive bikes running stop signs and not having ID on them was just prompted by the sad need for kids in our town to take the "How to be arrested" class offered by legal aid on the res. As we tell the kids, it's not to be confused with "how to get arrested" and is really about knowing your rights and asserting them without escalating a situation with the police when you are stopped for driving, riding, or walking while Indian.

As it happens the two (white) cyclists I know who were stopped recently for a traffic infraction were asked for ID, and told by one of Tampa's finest that they could get a citation for not having the ID (not true) and running the stop sign. The officer let them off with a warning, but friend of Mr. F was incredulous that a cop would either lie, or be so misinformed. My point was really that law enforcement often seems to demand ID of people then push for documents because they can. People who look a certain way, minority, homeless, teenagers, often come to expect it.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 22, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

How true. One guy in my acting class, who would almost have been perfectly typecast for an IRA rebel, complete with boots, slump, long hair, and general "troublemaker attitude" was a great guy, but he had been stopped by the cops and acted that scene out for us and you could see how scared he had been by that experience.

He also chose to play the lead character in a scene from "Slow Dance on the Killing Fields." He forgot his lines but he was riveting when he was on.

It is so important we devote more time to civics education in our schools and our communities. We don't all have to have law degrees, but we do need to know what our civil liberties are supposed to be, because an awful lot of cities and towns are regularly passing ordinances and laws that are trampling on property rights and civil liberties out there.

You're the first mayor I've ever heard of who is even familiar with the need for civics education going on in his/her town.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 22, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Well, during the last month, we've had the deaths of Olympic skater Chris Bowman, actor Brad Renfro, and actor Heath Ledger. All apparently drug overdoses involving these young, talented individuals. How terribly sad.

Posted by: Loomis | January 22, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

A policeman would lie to a civilian?
I'm shocked.

Posted by: Boko999 | January 22, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Va. student's call to school administrator's home tiggers angry return call, online firestorm.

This is on the front page. I hate tiggering angry phone calls. I'm glad that I have company in the typo department.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

"You're the first mayor I've ever heard of who is even familiar with the need for civics education going on in his/her town." That's sad Wilbrod.

Watching a PBS documentary on Sargent Shriver. Interesting stuff on the War on Poverty that I didn't know even though he was one of my childhood heroes. Tragic that he has alzheimers.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 22, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I enjoyed the Shriver program. I wasn't aware of his involvement in the Peace Corps and the Head Start program.
In light of his problems with the McGovern campaign I thought that PBS scheduling "The Lobotomist" right before his show was unfortunate.

Posted by: Boko999 | January 22, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

The wonderful thing about tiggers
Is tiggers are wonderful things!
Their tops are made out of rubber
Their bottoms are made out of springs!

Posted by: TBG | January 22, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Read the article about the "tiggering." Did Alec Baldwin teach us nothing about leaving phone messages?

Posted by: TBG | January 22, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Boko-are you thinking of Eagleton, the VP candidate Shriver replaced because of Eagleton's prior treatment by a psychiatrist?

Posted by: frostbitten | January 22, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: TBG | January 22, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

TBG-in this case the grown up had a chance to be one, and blew it.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 22, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

A shame about Heath Ledger (and thanks for the heads-up, Scottynuke).

Is it wrong of me to be amused by this headline, "Bush Optimistic on Package?"

Here's one I'm *not* amused by, "Fassel Leads Coach Candidates." FOR THE LOVE OF LOMBARDI, PLEASE NOOOOOOOOOOO!

Speaking of Little Rock: Joel and Mudge, I was thinking of you guys when I wrote this:

"On the road for forty days,
Last night in Little Rock put me in a haze.
Workin' a bit on Huckabee -- chattin' his flack,
I did the whole interview
and that's a fact.

Up all night at a Von Drehle thing,
I got to tell you poker's his thing.
Bean chili 'n Chardonnay keep me right,
As long as we can make it to the spin room tonight.

I'm workin' the campaign, man.
I'm workin' the campaign, man.
Primaries coming to your town, we'll help you party it down.
I'm workin' the campaign, man..."


Posted by: bc | January 22, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Time to gather up the felines and give the Colbert Report my full attention.

Fondue boodle. Can't wait to read what Joel has to say about his trip to Arkansas. Hey Joel, if you'd like to see real hinterlands forego the media scrum on super Tuesday and come visit our caucus. I can show you where to get free wi-fi.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 22, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Great tune, bc... and I agree with you on that Fassel thing.

What's up with that?

Posted by: TBG | January 22, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah frosti

Posted by: b9 | January 23, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Anyone here? I'm still at work. Tired. Hot (no air on in the building this late). It's hurry-up-and-wait time.

Posted by: TBG | January 23, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

G'night, TBG. Hope you don't have to stay too long. (love the apostrophe jokes)

Posted by: mostlylurking | January 23, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Boko999 | January 23, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Hi Boko... g'night mostly.

Posted by: TBG | January 23, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

I feel compelled to state here for the record - so that it can be used against me in court later - that sometime, somehow, I will call (or caused to be called) Paul Regnier. I realize that that will probably be de facto evidence of harassment, but such is life. [And a hard, long life it is, for public servants!] {{Did he really mean to say that ANY call is harassment?!?!?}}

Posted by: Bob S. | January 23, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

If a call to a public servant is harassment, how much more severe is the intrusion upon private servants like myself, when WE receive phone calls?

Posted by: Bob S. | January 23, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

OK, OK, I'm finished amusing myself. G'nite, all. (No, I didn't say "abusing"!)

Posted by: Bob S. | January 23, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, friends. Scotty, where are you? I hope you're not coming down with the bug. I don't think this one I have is ever going to leave. It's like it's here for the duration.

Mudge, Slyness, Martooni, a good day to all.*waving*

Today is Wednesday, the busy day. I'm going to attempt my regular routine. I don't know how that's going to play out, hopefully all will go well. I don't want to be around anyone too long, don't want to contaminate folks.

I keep wondering about the stimulus package that everyone is talking about. It is suppose to be something fast, but they're giving a time frame in the spring. Is that fast? Do you believe the international community has lost confidence in our country because of the President? Lord knows, we don't need to make the whole world our enemy.

Don't forget the radio program at eleven. I won't be talking today, the minister that has lost two sons to violence(both murdered)will speak today. Mr. Achenbach, I hope it is okay to mention that here? I should have asked before doing that, sorry. And I hope you got some rest. Thanks for listening.

I want to visit DC again. It's been so long since I was there. I just want to see what it looks like now. Perhaps something will come through that I can do that. And I would love to see where you guys do your boodling porching hour. Do you still do that?

Well, gotta go. I'm still studying this morning to prepare for the day. I ask God to show me those treasures in His word that I can share with others, not use it to lord over them. God is good, He answers prayers.

Have a great day, my friends. We have fog here, so perhaps it is warming up a bit. It has been so very cold.

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 23, 2008 5:55 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Cassandra. Good morning Martooni. Good morning moon.

Posted by: daiwanlan | January 23, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

New kit.

Posted by: dbG | January 23, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, bugs generally don't take too much of a liking to me, *knock wood* but I'd be glad to give your bug somewhere else to go so you get a reprieve. :-)

And it'd be grand to show you around the porching spot, I hope you can come up here soon. Some of us have also been thinking about another BPH, so I guess we need to start throwing dates around. How's the 29th sound, everyone?

It's beginning to sound like Heath left us too soon because of insomnia, which is truly a shame.

*off-in-search-of-more-coffee Grover waves*


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 23, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

And yes, New Kit!!! :-)

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