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Bill Clinton: "Shame on you"

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Did someone recently tell Bill Clinton to tone it down? I think he didn't listen. Today he threw a roundhouse right at the news media for being controversy-obsessed (uh, ya think?) and said Obama put out a "hit job" on him. Maybe this will cause media organizations to discuss whether they are, in fact, tools of spinners and controversy-mongers. But probably it will just cause another round of What's Bill Done Now stories.

Here's the rush transcript from CNN:

WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, FMR. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I never heard a word of public complaint when Mr. Obama said Hillary was not truthful, no character, was poll-driven. He had more pollsters than she did. When he put out a hit job on me at the same time he called her the senator from Punjab, I never said a word. And I don't care about it today. I'm not upset about it.

The only thing I pointed out was that there was substantially no difference in her record and his on Iraq, and that he had said in 2004 there was no difference between his position and President Bush. And he said that was somehow dishonest, but he never answers how it's not accurate. So this is crazy.

This rhetoric is getting a little carried away here. And let me remind you, my ultimate answer is this -- there are still two people around who marched with Martin Luther King and risked their lives, John Lewis and Reverend Andrew Young. They both said that Hillary was right and the people who attacked her were wrong, and that she did not play the race card, but they did.

So I don't have to defend myself from Dick Harpootlian. I will just refer you to John Lewis and Andrew Young. And let him go get in an argument with them about it. Let him go get in an argument with Dolores Huerta, one of the founders of Farm Workers, against what happened in Nevada. There is a fact here -- this is almost like once you accuse somebody of racism or bigotry, or something, the facts become irrelevant. There are facts here.

And the final thing I would like to say is, you're asking me about this, and you sat through this whole meeting. Not one single, solitary soul asked about any of this. And they never do.

They are feeding you this because they know this is what you want to cover. This is what you live for. [Ouch!]

But this hurts the people of South Carolina, because the people of South Carolina are coming to these meetings and asking questions about what they care about. And what they care about is not going to be in the news coverage tonight because you don't care about it.

What you care about is this. And the Obama people know that. So they just spin you up on this and you happily go along.

The people don't care about this. They never ask about it. And you are determined to take this election away from them. And that's not right. That is not right.

This election ought to belong to those people who are out here asking questions about their lives.

QUESTION: Do you think the Obama people are...

(CROSSTALK)

CLINTON: Well, you ask me questions based on Harpootlian calls me Lee Atwater. I spent all my life fighting those people. And he wasn't in Nevada. So he's having a fight not with me, but with Dolores Huerta, who founded the Farm Workers with Cesar Chavez. He should ask her. She was there. He doesn't care what happened. He just knows he can call you a name and you guys will cover it.

They did not ask about this, and you don't care what your own people care about. They care about what happens to the American people. That's one thing John Edwards was right about in the debate.

QUESTION: But do you think the Obama people...

UNIDENTIFIED: Got to go. Appreciate it.

CLINTON: One more story. Shame on you.

UNIDENTIFIED: Thanks, guys.

CLINTON: Shame on you.


[Here's the Dana Milbank piece on B.C. And the readers weigh in with lots of measured, civil, polite discourse. Via Memeorandum, here's the Onion's take on B.C.'s bid for a third term: "No longer will I have to endure watching candidates like Hillary Clinton engaging in single-pump handshakes with voters, as I use every last ounce of restraint not to shout out, 'No! Warm double-clasp! Warm double-clasp!'" Clinton said. "America deserves someone who can do it right."]


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Wow -- I'm first!

Say, think ol' Bill's got a point?

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | January 23, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, Bill doesn't exactly go all postal here, but then again, Hillary didn't actually cry.

Clearly Bill's point that the media plays up the drama has some validity. His claim that the media does this selectively against Hillary seems a bit more suspect, as does his assertion that the press is being cleverly manipulated by the Obama camp.

Of course, there is the meta-question of whether this is all some sort a shrewd political ploy by Bill.

I have a feeling that this will be yet another political inkblot. How it is interpreted will have a lot to do with preconceived notions of The Clintons.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 23, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Doncha just love The Onion? They really know how to cut to the absurd heart of so many subjects. Our bulletin board at work is covered with articles printed from their site.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 23, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I think Bill needs to quiet down. However, drawing a parallel to his statements and the slime-slinging-slander of the late Lee Atwater is just plain Over The Top. Bill had every right to get pissed at the press.

Posted by: CowTown | January 23, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

From CNN:

"an Obama supporter accus[ed] Clinton's husband, former President Bill Clinton, of making comments meant to 'suppress the vote, demoralize voters, and distort the record.'

SUPPRESS THE VOTE?

Isn't that a felony most places? A person would tend to get a bit aggrieved when such a charge is waved about, don't you think? *rolling my eyes*

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 23, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

SCC: forgot to close the quote properly *hanging head*

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 23, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Senator from the Punjab?

Posted by: College Parkian | January 23, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Both Clintons have long records of lying when it suits their purposes (including under oath in federal court). Bill does it again in his remarks here, falsely alleging there is no substantive difference between HRC's and Obama's records on Iraq (hmm -- except one was for granting Bush unilateral power to go to war, and one was against it -- a rather big difference). No Third Term!

Posted by: David | January 23, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Bill is demonstrated how he won two presidential elections.

"Shame on you" is what should have been said seven years ago... to the press, to the Republicans, to the American public.

Posted by: TBG | January 23, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I pulled up the front page to see "Bill Clinton vs. the Press" posted in the Trail. Reading the column could easily lead one to believe that Pres. Clinton's head was about to pop off in the process of addressing the questions posed by the reporter. The majority of comments following the post are predictably abhorrent. Watch the video. The former President's response was measured and passed the ball back to the reporter in the sense that the news coverage wouldn't be about the content of the meeting, but about the very exchange he was making with that reporter. He was right. The discussion should properly be about the issues but the heat is on and this type of exchange was inevitable and will continue to draw negative press. I think I will eschew political reports on the telly in favour of that which I can glean more objectively from the sanctity of this keyboard. Context is everything.

Posted by: jack | January 23, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Hello, all. I've been lurking the past several days, trying to catch up when I can but too busy and not enough time to chime in.

Regarding Bill Clinton - first, I have to say I like Bill, I voted twice for Bill, I thought Bill was a good president.

I wish Bill would shut up.

I agree with Bill about the media but it seems to me that Bill has been in good ole spin mode himself, for example the Obama comments on Reagan/Republicans. Like the other intelligent people who meet here, I bothered myself to read the WHOLE text of Obama's comments so I was mighty irritated at Bill's spin on it. What irritates me the most is that this kind of horsepucky takes away from Hillary's credibilty, at least in my eyes. This is just one example, there have been many over the course of the campaign but that was the proverbial straw.

Bill, I expect you to advocate for your wife, he11, I DEMAND you advocate for your wife after everything you've put her through, but, as my dear ole grampa used to say "You can't build yourself up by tearing someone else down."

Posted by: TLF | January 23, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I provided this link yesteray or the day before to the Campaign Stops blog at the NYT, to the article by Matthew Continetti. Midway through, he wrote:

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/21/bill-clintons-strategic-emotion/

The cable news channels, which traffic in sensation and which are on constant watch for signs of "feeling" and conflict among American politicians, spent the following week [Sept. 2006, Fox channel interview with Chris Wallace] interpreting the outburst. Pundits floated various theories to explain Clinton's answer: he was fed up with the so-called right-wing noise machine; he was hoping to gin up enthusiasm among Democratic partisans prior to the election; he understood that what he did or did not do to cripple Al Qaeda remains a serious historical liability on his presidential legacy, and that questions about his actions were sure to surface during any campaign his wife, Hillary Clinton, the junior senator from New York, might undertake for the presidency. Whatever his motivations, he achieved his goal: No journalist, to my knowledge, has since asked Mr. Clinton about his efforts against Al Qaeda.

I think there's a lot of truth in the first part of what Continetti wrote about news cable channels. I'm not so sure that print isn't apeing cable to some degree, especially when I open our local paper this morning and see an op-ed about Bill Clinton as hit-man. (Why is equal attention not being paid by the press to Republican efforts to paint Republican John McCain as a faux conservative?)

I'm watching more cable as of this week. It's Bill overkill out there. It's hard to stomach some of these talking heads and their programs, formats and silliness, Dobbs, Cooper and Matthews in particular. So I'm wasting time, but getting a real feel for contemporary cable programming.

I feel it necessary to point out that someone in Eugene Robinson's chat yesterday called out Eugene for calling Bill a hit man and Obama only impertinent. I question why WaPo fact checker Michael Dobbs didn't give Obama at least one Pinocchio this morning.

And did anyone see Wolf Blitzer's weasaly answer about his role as moderator of the CNN South Carolina debate on his show yesterday, saying, to the effect, that he didn't want to get into the cat and dog fight. Well, heck and dalgarn. He was the moderator who laid out the ground rules about what he would do if the candidates went off-topic. More spineless weasel words from this monotone emcee.

I did see the Clinton clip on CNN tonight. I sat stunned in my chair when Bill Clinton mentioned Dolores Huerta. Dolores Huerta! After that, for me, what Bill said melted into mush, so back to the transcript.

Posted by: Loomis | January 23, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

re: Senator from the Punjab. Yeah, that one made me wonder too. Apparently it was supposed to mean she's too laissez-faire on outsourcing:

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2007/06/the_daily_2008_70.html

Posted by: SonofCarl | January 23, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I still say Bill is acting like this is his campaign. He needs to CHILL!

Just got in, and too tired to talk. Going to bed. Scotty, thanks for the invite.

JA, the pictures are beautiful, they really are. I've always wanted to go to Charleston. Never been to Hooters.

Good night boodle. Sleep well everyone.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 23, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Dave Barry's got Dick Harpootlian's name on his blog (really a mention, with a link to the CNN video). Who is this guy, other than the former chairman of the South Carolina Democratic party. Someone want to explain his connection to the transcript and Bill Clinton's remarks or rebuttal?

Posted by: Loomis | January 23, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

This website paints Harpootlian as not a very nice guy, a down and dirty fighter, apparently a South Carolina bulldog:

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/01/23/harpootlian-sighting-twelve-o-clock.aspx

Anyone who follows South Carolina politics had to be wondering when Dick Harpootlian--the sharp-tongued, bare-knuckled former state Democratic chair who frequently branded his political opponents "b@stards" and "sons of b[r]itches"-would sound off on the Obama-Hillary battle going on down there. Well, today he did, and he didn't disappoint, telling CNN that some of Bill Clinton's recent comments about Obama were intended to "suppresses the vote, demoralize voters, and distort the record" and that they were "reminiscent of Lee Atwater."

Posted by: Loomis | January 23, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

i think the long and the short of it is that news is a money-making endeavor. the back and forth, negative contrasts, etc. are a normal part of competitive campaigns. both the obama and the clinton campaigns would do well to ignore questions designed to stir up controversy and acrimony. clinton's criticism about the press covering mud-slinging instead of issues is justified. blaming it on the obama campaign is not, but the democrats better rise above the media's crap if they don't want to look bad all around.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | January 23, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I just filled out my absentee ballot, and I found this interesting: the voter affirmation is printed in English, Spanish and Creole. It says, "I, _________, do solemnly swear" and blah blah blah.

In English: "I"
In Spanish: "Yo"
In Creole: "Mwenmenm menm"

I don't want to make fun of anybody's language, but the French word for "I" is "Je." How did they get from "je" to "mwenmenm menm?"

Posted by: kbertocci | January 23, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I agree Bill should "tone it down"--not his rhetoric, I thought that was perfectly well modulated--but that TIE has got to go. Not a good color for him, and much too intense.

Posted by: kbertocci | January 23, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit that I'm leaning toward Obama so it will slant my observation here. I saw excerpts from the debate the other night and was disheartened to see Clinton and Obama squabbling when there are so many important issues (as Edwards pointed out). Then I saw a clip of Hilary from, I think yesterday, again speaking about Obama and she looked positively witchy while she was talking about him. Not attractive, and I don't mean that in a sexist sense. I am more than annoyed that the two of them or their handlers have allowed this fight to continue. And although I did vote for Mr. Clinton twice, I was and am less than crazy about him. He's very intelligent but also very stupid when it comes to women. If he had just kept it zipped, we might not have had to endure the Bush years. I think at this point he should butt out of such an active role in his wife's campaign. I guess I'm upset because I naively thought that maybe this year we'd have a less contentious and more focused group of Dems running ,considering how important this election is in terms of getting our country back on track. Silly me.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | January 23, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you KB. That tie must go.

Mudge had talked about breadfruit and the many ways of cooking it way back when. I like breadfruit but I've never had it cooked in so many ways Mudge have had it. I've only had it battered and deep-fried which is how people here prepared it. The locals sometimes call it ice-cream fruit. The texture is smooth, a little like ice-cream, and bland.

Posted by: rainforest | January 23, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Agree about the tie - not his color, at all. TLF, I agree with what you said, too.

I'm tired of all at them at this point. I can only imagine that when the Republicans go at whomever the candidate is, it will be much, much worse.

Posted by: mostlylurking | January 23, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I have been sitting down here in the bunny room reading while the lagomorphs leap about in their bunny way. My chosen book consists of a 692 page history of American art. I do not know where the greater hubris lies, in the author's ambition or in my naïve belief that I shall be able to read all of this before it must be returned to the library.

One of the many insights I am getting is that American art values novelty. The mastery of an established style is not considered as significant as is the breaking of new ground. I think this notion applies to politics as well. We are hearing all about change and new ideas. And while innovation is of critical importance in adapting to an evolving world, sometimes I am concerned that there isn't enough attention being paid to doing the same thing that has been done before, just doing it well. Perhaps this explains part of the trouble some have with Hillary Clinton. We've done the Clinton bit already.

I am deepening my understanding that art is about context as well. While there is something to be said for an untutored response to art, it helps if you can interpret something in terms of the relevant history. Again, I can't help but note the parallels with politics. To understand and appreciate the words and ideas of any political figure, it helps to know something about the words and ideas that came before.

I guess, in a way, much of a political campaign could be considered a form of performance art. Some intentional, some not. At least I find this an interesting way of thinking about it.

But, then again, I hang out with rabbits.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 23, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Dowd was all about Bill Clinton unleashing his inner pit-bull today.

http://dowdreport.blogspot.com/2008/01/let-big-dog-eat.html

My lame skilz attempted a mash-up at Bill and the t-shirt Big Dog.

Posted by: Mo MoDo | January 23, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I missed the Hooters stories last kit. I moved back to Tampa in 1987 while Hooters was still expanding and not nearly as ubiquitous as Starbucks. Hooters #1 was in Clearwater just over the Courtney Campbell Causeway. Hooters #2 was right near our apartment on Hillsborough Avenue.

My wife loves wings, the hotter the better, so I talked her into giving it a try. She was barely ok with the skimpy outfits, but she found the wings soggy, overcooked, too doughy and drippy instead of hot. She has never been back. She doesn't mind the sexism but sloppy wings are unforgivable. That's her story and she's sticking to it.

I was working in a dingy office park at SR60 and 50th Street. Salesman that called on us were alway at a loss on where to wine and dine us engineers. It usually meant a long drive into pre-revival Ybor City and hard to find parking. When the Hooters opened in Brandon, we had a lot more sales calls because the reps all wanted to hit the Hooters just down the road.

The wings are pretty bad, but the faux-grouper sandwich is usually reliable. The best grouper sandwich in Tampa was at Carmine's in Ybor City back when he was in a corner rowhouse with a stage over the front door. Now a fish sandwich at Hooters reminds me of my salad days in Tampa.

Posted by: dowdreport | January 23, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

RD- If only my felines and cavy contributed as much to my insight as your lagomorphs do for you. Very nice analysis.

I agree that Orange is not Bill's color. I think winter is more of his "season."

Substantive remarks will have to wait until later- it's bedtime. Tomorrow is my third killer 0500-2100 day in a row. I did want to share a flash of brilliance. I finally figured out how to keep Frostcat #1 off my laptop. I bought him a heated cat bed and cleared a place for it on my desk. Every now and again I put some papers there before they go in the recycling so he can think he's sleeping on something important. Now if I can get #3 to quit letting his furbelow hang over the remote sensor on the cable box.

Toodles boodle.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 23, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Was Bill trying to flatter the Clemson alums? Orangeburg, home of SC State (which has a picture of Obama on its webpage?)

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | January 23, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

SCC: Victim of the sticky username. The Hooters tale belongs to me, not my Dowd-obsessed sock puppet.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 23, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

frosti.. that was indeed a brilliant idea.

Here's my nerd family story... my daughter and I were just IM'ing.. yes, she's upstairs in her room and I'm down here on the couch (how am I still awake?).

I sent her the link to the "I <3 Nerds" button dbG showed us and the first thing she said was "Cute! Hey.. what is that book the button is on?"

http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=9083045

Posted by: TBG | January 23, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

i'm also annoyed at both clinton and obama. obama was extremely impolitic when he tried to compare himself with reagan and basically say that his legacy would outdo clinton's. i even got the original historical point, but to claim that with as little experience as he has? i mean, come on, get a grip. and what a way to piss off bill clinton. when obama signed up for this thing, he did realize that he was running against the spouse of the most powerful person in the democratic party, yes? so why is he complaining about bill clinton campaigning for his wife? what exactly did he expect? i think obama is very really well all things considered, but some of this is definitely neophyte stuff.

and the clintons totally need to chill. if they win by being divisive, that would certainly prove their divisiveness for the country. we don't need anymore negative sound bite material. the republicans already have plenty material.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | January 23, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I just finished watching "A Good Year" on HBO (for the second time). It's a good little flick, a romance but not a romantic comedy, and Russell Crowe is excellent, as are all the supporting people (and Abbie Cornish is a dish--reminds me of a young Tea Leoni). I would even risk saying it is a bit of a "chick flick." But it was just what I needed to get away from all the politics and media overcoverage, with which I am fed up.

Tomorrow morning gotta go to G-town Hospital for my biannual glucose tolerance test: 37 tubes of my gin-infused red blood cells removed over three hours or so. So I won't be Boodling until noon or later.

'Night, bon soir and fondue, Mein Boodle.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 23, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

"Mwenmenm menm" reminds me of the "Mana mana" song.

re: Clinton/Obama tiffs. I assume everyone agrees that this is like a pillow fight compared with what's to come?

Posted by: SonofCarl | January 23, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Good luck on the medical tests, mudge. Hope you are all studied up.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 23, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

What yello said, "Mudge. I hope the phlebotomist is skilled and doesn't have to go fishing. My veins are quite prominent on my skinny limbs, yet one such tech needed three tries to find the vena mediana cubiti in my left arm. After the second miss she quipped: "Third time's a charm...". I didn't get it and hoped, for her sake, that she'd find the vein.

Posted by: jack | January 23, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

The vampire sucks 2 tubes of my blood every 2 years so that I could renew my work permit. My chest also need to get nuked every 2 years. I hate it.

Posted by: rainforest | January 24, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

...oh, also, I've got a green identity card (expats). Permanent residents get purple and citizens get yellow.

Posted by: rainforest | January 24, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Ah, phlebotomy... I've got a tale best told in person, but let's just say it shares certain elements with "Scott of the Antarctic." :-)

And who knew "real" sangria was illegal in Va????

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/23/AR2008012303400.html?hpid=topnews

:-O

*back-to-the-increasingly-busy-but-always-fun-office Grover waves*

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 24, 2008 5:09 AM | Report abuse

Morning, all. I'm running behind because I had to answer queries from #2 dottir about desegregation in Charlotte during the Sixties. She's writing a paper and needs a personal perspective. How old does it make me feel that I'm providing information for a history paper for her!

Posted by: Slyness | January 24, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, boodle. I've been working like a dog for the last several days, although it doesn't sound like I'm the only boodler doing that! Thankfully, I'm off for the next few days. It's payday, so that means a trip to Costco is on the schedule.

Scottynuke - There is a great seafood restaurant down here that has, bar none, the very best sangria I have ever tasted. I didn't realize 'til just now that there must not be brandy in it. Who knew? Sometimes, it's scary what laws are still on the books in the Old Dominion.

I find the Democratic brouhaha very dispiriting. Not that I'm against a good rough and tumble but the distortions seem so very...Rovish. Yeccchh. Gail Collins has a great piece today in the NYT. She's right on the money as far as I'm concerned about HRC, but what I really enjoyed were her two references to the current administration. Zingers!

I hope all under-the-weather boodlers and boodler families are on the mend!

Posted by: Kim | January 24, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

A couple of quick items related to Hooters here (I was busy yesterday afternoon, and couldn't post then):

When I was discussing this topic with a friend of mine, she reminded me that she once worked in a gentlemen's establishement - a private one - which is not the same as a Hooters, but offers a similar experience in many respects. No wings though.

She said that the fundamental business model wasn't about exploiting women's bodies, but about men's stupidity. "A woman wouldn't tip $4 on a $6 beer no matter what the bartender was wearing, but men routinely will," she said (Ouch, said I)

The employees there were typically paying for advanced degrees or supplementing income from their "real job," and the attire was more modest than what can be seen in those Victoria's Secret catalogues and Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition magazines that show up in our mailboxes, or even what can be seen on a typical American beach (or worse, at a carnival). For men who don't golf, a private club can be a bastion of business.

I laughed out loud when she said, "Most of what I learned there easily translated to the business world."

And then I realized: This power - if wielded properly - could... oh, my.
It could explain a *lot*.

For the ten thousandth time in my life, I realized that women are basically smarter than men.

In the spirit of full disclosure (and some synapses that fired overnight), neglected to mention that I occasionally drive a friend's vintage race car that was sponsored by Hooters in its heyday. It's somewhat well-known in certain circles as "The Hooters Car," as it retains it's original competition graphics package.

Lastly, I have to agree with Mudge and others that Bill Clinton didn't seem so angry in that video. From what I understand, there's *no* mistaking when he's *really* angry with someone; like a force of nature. Celcil B DeMille epic. Make a movie and call it "Clintonfield."

This seems more like an impassioned and somewhat emotional lecture.

My $.02, anyway.

And yes, I'm in for a BPH on the 31st.

bc

Posted by: bc | January 24, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

SCC: "its"

And we men are *such* dolts.

bc

Posted by: bc | January 24, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

It seems that the other Repub candidates aren't too crazy about the Mittster.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22816850/
I had heard Begala on 'Wait Wait.." a few weeks ago say basically the same thing that this article says. It reassures me that although I would never vote for any of them, these candidates aren't totally brain dead when it comes to assessing character.

I wish you'd all stop having such interesting and fun discussions everyday when I'm at work and can't join in. (Kidding.)

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | January 24, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Kim - Thanks for pointing out that Collins interview. I wonder if we might see Bill take an extended vacation soon for health reasons.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

bc - I once read an article about a young woman who worked at Hooters. The article highlighted the idea that it is all about manipulating rather unsophisticated males. This woman suggested that the way to get great tips was to playfully humiliate one man in a group of other men. Evidently, certain guys really dig seeing one of their own made to look foolish by an attractive woman. Go figure.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Borrowing a former student's take on Hooterville, here. She was a film major and psychology major -- brilliant and humble and such a quiet force in class. Anywhooo, she wrote a paper on something artists and psychologists think about

male gaze See Wiki-wisdom here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaze

But short def is this, taken from the French notion of 'le regard,' which is the dominant way an audience views the people presented.

Back to student: she wrote a paper about how the male gaze, in polite society formerly, was to be subtle and under-wraps: Think, look and appreciate but do not leer, ogle, faun, slobber, etc. So much in society has changed -- privacy may be disappearing and identity is become like shape-shifting -- that many young men now (women too, I think) are more open in their gazing. "Checking out" is in this generation, no longer subtle, but more frank and revealed.

Segue to me for a moment: I think we are losing subtlety in human interactions, which however elusive, are more poetical, more romantic, more complex, more maddening..... let's here it for manners and modesty, not out of prudish panic, but out of a sense of personal artistry.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 24, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Whoopsies!
Letis HEAR it!

Also, let me say that as the mother of cub/bear, I am concerned about how he will treat others and how he will be treated. The dignity of both pink and blue are at stake.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 24, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Time to turn up the heat and perc more coffee. Through my fault, my fault, my most grievous fault.

Posted by: College Apologian | January 24, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I looked at JA's owlish photo one kit back. Here is what the art professor down the hall from me might opine:

The neon-ish logo is off to the right. JA placed this to the side, intentionally as a mere augenblick. He did not place this ripe and ribald symbol in the middle fore. All the railwork and fences and distant bridge suggest a playpen or prison of sorts. To the left, upper corner, is a pair of globular street lights. JA is playing with our sense of mammary-focus and a need to return to the sanctuary of the font of all being.

Posted by: College Critique ian | January 24, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Well said, CP. One of the culture shocks I experienced is how blunt in expressing opinions during discussion in class. In eastern culture, subtlety is in the form of art and reflection of one's own cultivation.

Posted by: daiwanlan | January 24, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Oops, I meant to link to that Collins piece...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/opinion/24collins.html?ref=opinion

Lovely post, as always, CP.

Posted by: Kim | January 24, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Hi Kim, I know we are both working hard to raise sensitive and "burly" men.

Daiwanian! Yes, on what the East knows about civility!

Posted by: College Parkian | January 24, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Whatever you think of Clinton's lecture to the media yesterday, the whole episode and in fact the whole campaign has been a glimpse of what a HRC presidency might well be like. Bill is the roving ambassador, the spinner in chief, the fixer and pit bull rolled into one, constantly jetting around on special missions for the president but all the while subtly (and perhaps unintentionally) upstaging her. The guy has three overriding characteristics- he wants to win every argument, he wants everyone he meets to love him, and he wants the spotlight. The guy is very intelligent, very articulate, and very much needs to shut up, back off, and lay low.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 24, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

OK, fess up! Which of you people does this refer to? BC? RD? Mudge?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/23/AR2008012302511.html

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 24, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

You probably know of the information in this article, Scotty. I paid for imported power when I lived in Hanover after TMI went doen. It's expensive, and I don't relish the prospect of paying up to ten times as much for energy if the drought continues:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/23/AR2008012301874.html?hpid=sec-nation

Posted by: jack | January 24, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' Boodle...

I have to say that I'm disappointed (to put it mildly) with the recent behavior of the Dem candidates. The old joke about a Democratic firing squad facing each other in a circle seems to be manifesting itself here.

I usually only yell at the television when Bush is on (or when Mrs. M is watching Nancy Grace), but I did quite a bit of yelling during the latest Dem debate. All the pot shots they took at each other were bad enough, but when they finally got around to the issues, it went from a pissing match to a wishing match:

CANDIDATE: "I'll get the troops out of Iraq!"
J.Q.PUBLIC: How?
CANDIDATE:"Mumble, mumble, mumble, Bush stinks, mumble."

CANDIDATE:"I'll fight for universal health care!"
J.Q.PUBLIC: How will you pay for it?
CANDIDATE:"We'll mandate it. So what if the people with lower incomes can't afford to put gas in their cars? We're going to force them to pay an insurance premium and make them wait until tax time to get any credit for it. Oh... and if they don't buy unto this mandated plan, we'll fine them and take their gas money so they can't drive to work. Americans need to walk more anyway."

CANDIDATE: "I'll make us energy independent!"
J.Q.PUBLIC: How?
CANDIDATE:"Um... I'll form a committee that will meet the first Tuesday of every month starting with the letter 'D'. Then we'll throw money willynilly and see if any of it lands on some smart people in lab coats. If that doesn't work, we'll throw more money in an even more willynilly fashion."
J.Q.PUBLIC: Won't that require a tax increase?
CANDIDATE: "Oh no... we'll use the money we collect in fines from people who don't buy our mandated universal health care policy."

I dunno... they just make me nuts. Not as nuts as the Republicans make me, but it really irks me when they say they are speaking for "regular Americans". Call me cynical, but when I hear a politician with pockets full of money say they are speaking for "regular Americans", my bullsh!t detector starts screaming.

As for Bill C... Please sit on your hands. You had your turn.

*rant over*

Posted by: martooni | January 24, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

SCC: down...I momentarily lapsed into phonetic spelling.

Posted by: jack | January 24, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Winter is here. Real winter, for about a week now. Cold, foggy, damp or wet. Such were the conditions last night. A little tired from the previous night. My husband had problems at work, resulting in a volley of calls to IBM. He didn't get home last night until 9:45 p.m. So we didn't get to see poet and author Nikki Giovanni at Trinity U. last night (among whose students at Virginia Tech were Cho and Vick).

From the write-up in today's paper:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA012408.03B.nikki.2db8f93.html

But the main point of her talk, "Words of Change," seemed to be that history's heroes are not always carved in granite.

Parks, whom Giovanni knew intimately for more than 20 years, took up much of the evening, her point being "women do all the work and then men swoop in like Mighty Mouse."

But, she concluded, "Martin was a good man."

Giovanni gave an insider's account of the Montgomery bus boycott, which projected directly from Parks' heroic actions. She talked about E.D. Nixon, a Pullman porter and official of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, who had to work on Dec. 4, the day planned for the boycott. He suggested asking a young minister to speak.

"Can you imagine?" she said. "He (King) was 26. He was a boy. And when he walked to that podium that day, he had to hear the clock ticking, to know he would never see his grandchildren."

These are the same topics I shared with you from Gail Collins' book several days ago. Collins, in a another part of her book, "American Women" talks about black women and their role in the MLK march on Washington. The tale is not much different than Montgomery. Next MLK Day, perhaps.

Posted by: Loomis | January 24, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Fed not a DC employee. So, you know, we can look at whatever we want.

HaHa Ha.

Seriously, who would be dumb enough to surf porn at work? Don't they understand that, at the very least, websites are recorded by the router?

martooni - good to see you feeling feisty.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Oboy. Foucault and Lacan first thing in the morning. Good thing I don't eat breakfast.

Posted by: Boko999 | January 24, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Seems like everyone and their monkey's uncle is posting YouTube hits, so take this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o-qh1uhyqQ&feature=related Joe Le Taxi


And TBG, I somehow have the feeling that is a book of fairy tales...

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

jack;

I won't be able to hear your comment/question until much later today.

As in -- when I'm home. (But PLEASE remind me at that time.)

And k-guy, I'm not sure whether to be relieved or affronted that you didn't include me on your list.

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 24, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

And I second RDP's happiness in seeing martooni in fine fettle.

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 24, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Hey, martooni! LTNS. I trust that the door business is good. Keep it between the lines.

Posted by: jack | January 24, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

yello, your wife would like the "Volcano" wings at Fat Head's on the South Side in Pittsburgh. Their website advises you to wash your hands after eating them "before you touch your eyes or private parts."

They're delightfully insouciant.

Posted by: byoolin | January 24, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Standing right in line with Dolores Huerta, historically, would be Emma Tenayuca Brooks, a central figure in the local 1938 pecan-shellers strike:

http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/PP/oep1.html

The pecan-shelling industry was one of the lowest-paid industries in the United States, with a typical wage ranging between two and three dollars a week. In the nearly 400 shelling factories in San Antonio the contracting system was prevalent; the large firms controlled the supply of nuts as well as the prices for shelling. Working conditions were abysmal--illumination was poor, inside toilets and washbowls were nonexistent, and ventilation was inadequate. Fine brown dust from the pecans permeated the air, and the high tuberculosis rate of San Antonio--148 deaths for each 100,000 persons, compared to the national average of fifty-four-was blamed at least partially on the dust. Women constituted 50 percent of the work force.

Posted by: Loomis | January 24, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Er, that should be "Fatheads" on the South Side. I got all drooly about the wings...

Posted by: byoolin | January 24, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

You are pardoned, Dryoolin.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 24, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

martooni,
I'm sorry you were ranting at the TV during the recent S.C. debate instead of listening. As Clinton and Edwards tried to make abundantly clear, there is a big difference in their health care plans versus the one Obama proposes.

Posted by: Loomis | January 24, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"Three visited such sites more than 39,000 times apiece last year, the investigation found."

Sorry, S'nuke, but I only went for the top three and I had you figured for a 38,000 click man.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 24, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

martooni:

Dems health care plans discussed here:

Mandates and Mudslinging
By PAUL KRUGMAN, NYT Op-Ed Columnist
Published: November 30, 2007

Posted by: Loomis | January 24, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Cassandra - I bet we could make a mint if we were the first to market "CHILL, BILL" bumper stickers & t-shirts!

Posted by: TLF | January 24, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Gail Collins, at the NYT this morning, and k-guy think along the same lines:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/opinion/24collins.html?ref=opinion

Her last three grafs--the whole op-ed is worthy of consideration:

Now, Bill's role as Chief Attack Dog undermines all that. If he's all over her campaign, he's going to be all over her administration. Instead of the original promise of the thoroughly educated Hillary, we're being offered the worst-case scenario -- that the pair of them are going to return to Pennsylvania Avenue and recreate the old Clinton chaos.

A lot of people are O.K. with that. (After all, we've lived for seven years with a disciplined Oval Office that runs like clockwork while it spreads chaos everywhere else.) Only it's not change, it's not a breakthrough moment in American history. It's just a nervous decision that we'd rather go back than risk going forward.

It's a story, all right, with Bill at the center. If Hillary expects anybody to get misty-eyed about the first woman president at the inauguration, she's got to send him home and go back to the original plotline.

I'm a little unclear which is the plotline:

a)
"I have always believed you should get the very best people to advise you."

but more likely:

b)

But in the process, they're ruining the central selling point of her campaign, the story that explains why she's the one a dispirited country should trust to make things better.

Every candidacy has one. Barack's is about the child of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya whose very lineage makes him the vehicle for a transcendent national unity. Hillary's isn't how the smart girl from Illinois who overcame every obstacle fate could throw at her to become the first woman president. Instead, it's a version of the story we love best of all, about second chances and the American capacity to turn failure into redemption.

I myself rather like smart girl from Illinois who overcame every obstacle fate could throw at her, but cettainly the question must be asked in her camp of whether Bill is doing her more harm than good.

Posted by: Loomis | January 24, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

CP and Daiwanian,
I concur that our society has been coarsening. Perhaps I should find a DVD of "Yi Yi" to refresh myself on how people can interact with a bit of subtlety (and besides, the little boy exploring the swimming pool is a marvel to watch)
http://www.criterion.com/asp/release.asp?id=339

Loomis,
San Antonio's TB rate reminds me that I got plenty of exposure to those bacteria as a kid. Not to mention a smallpox vaccination (now considered rather hazardous, thus no mass vaccinations against terrorist plots), measles, rubella, etc. I grew up in a different disease environment from that of today's developed-country kids.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | January 24, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Loomis,
Collins' column states the Clinton problem precisely. Someone suggested that Bill would make a fine ambassador to Argentina. I think Collins would suggest he instead find an NGO to work for.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | January 24, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Bill is right.

Obama's people defamed Hillary by distorting her observation abut the role LBJ played in bringing Dr. King's vision to reality through the Civil Rights Act 1964 and the Voting Rights Act 1965.

Obama milked the frenzy of the press and his supporters in the hysterical branding of her as "racially insensitive" or even "injecting race into the campaign."

In the debates the "journalists" threw out question after question meant to incite personal, meaningless arguments.

The press deserves to be scolded. By and large our press and media are lazy, biased, access fixated.

He's right, shame on you.

Posted by: myskylark | January 24, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton's pit-bull now-, sleek-Labrador mostly-defense of his wife is in the public arena. I find this all distracting and wish that personal and private matters would remain in the background.

Bill may need to live partly as an ordinary husband and partly as an extraordinary debtor to her. This context means that HRC is less attractive as a candidate to me.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 24, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Yep, Bill should resign and invoke the usual drivel about the desire to spend more time with the family and kid... euh, now wait a minute. Or sign up for an 11 months long safari around the world, shave his head enter a monastery or something.

This DC administration seems to be something else. Looks like they are on a one scandal a quarter schedule.

I like your fascination with French singer omni. Back in 1987 I couln't stand Vanessa (she was 15 yo back then!). Joe le Taxi, not a bad song by itself, was playing 5 times an hour on every radio station. I suffered from Vanessa overload. Then I saw the movie "Noce Blanche". Wow, she threw me on my backside. And did it again with "Elisa", an homage to bad boy writer and composer Serge Guinsbourg who had died a couple of years earlier. SG wrote Vanessa her best French album BTW, he was kind of her musical father.
Last movie with her worth mentioning: "La fille sur le pont"/The girl on the bridge. Too complicated a story to summarized but she ends up as the target in a knife throwing act. Good movie in B&W, a bit of a chick flick though. Warning: she has been in a number of stinking bombs. I wikied her to get the title of "Elisa" (my brain is like swiss cheese these days) and found a bit of trivia I wasn't aware of: apparently she's been living with Johnny Depp nearly 10 years now!

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 24, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm getting a little worried about the internal dynamics of new Clinton White House as well. George Stephanopoulos once claimed that the thing Bill Clinton hated more than anything is was to be left out of a conversation.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Another thing I am a little worried about is martooni's quite valid concern about being forced to purchase medical insurance. Unlike martooni, I am not as much concerned about being able to pay for it as much as what coverage options such mandatory insurance might have.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

SCC "is was" is, umm, a new hipster phrase.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

If the Achenblog ever gets reclassified as porn, I can probably top those click numbers. That comes to about 20 clicks an hour, or once every three minutes.

Seinfeld had a rule on the maximum amount of time allowed to admire the female form before averting your gaze. I forget the exact amount but it was pretty short. We are getting into serious Weingarten territory here, who has exacting standards on the etiquette of the over-shoulder butt check as well.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Hey SD, I loved that movie.
Nominated for a Golden Globe in 1999. Lost to Todo sobre mi madre (All About My Mother), another great film.

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Why is forcing people to fill the insurance companies coffers less offensive to god fearing, freedom loving people than the gov't paying healthcare costs out of general revenuse(hee hee)?
Just one more thing I don't 'get'.

Posted by: Boko999 | January 24, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

CP, one thing is sure; Bill will be way too much of a big dog to ignore if he ever paws around the White House again (almost said wags his tail around the WH again, stopped myself just in time.) He will be part of the equation unless Mrs. C sharply brings him to heel.

I've got a "Tandem" tune cootie now omni, I've had worse though.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 24, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

She and Johnny have two children: Lily-Rose Melody Depp (born 27 May 1999), and a son, John Christopher "Jack" Depp III (born 10 April 2002).

Ha, normal names, what were they thinking

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Dave, I remember when the kids across the street got their smallpox vaccinations and had to have a plastic shield over them so they wouldn't scratch them off. I had mine as a wee one, so I was glad I didn't have to suffer as they did. IIRC, I was about 5 at the time. Funny what you remember.

One of these days I'm going to have to make up my mind about who to vote for. Actually, I have no problem with Bill in the White House, as long as he keeps his distance from policy. Wonder what Cabinet post he would do best in? Wouldn't it be sweet to see him as Attorney General? Of course, that puts him square into policy making. Yeah, Argentina. Or an NGO in LA.

Posted by: Slyness | January 24, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton, Special FEMA Administrator for Katrina Clean-up.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 24, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Both our countries citizens are dying to support this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7204341.stm

Posted by: Boko999 | January 24, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I don't know K-guy. Lots of trailers around NOLA. You know about Bill and women living in trailers, right?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 24, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Oh and it isn't so much French singers as it is female singers. I have a couple of Les Rita CDs but nothing else French (that I can recall, I get the swiss cheese brain thing). I have about two dozen Brazilian CDs, mostly Danieal Mercury and Marisa Monte. Plus a couple of Portuguese Fado CDs. Mísia is my all time fave (saw her at the Lisner, and she signed two of my CDs). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%ADsia but also have Amália Rodrigues (The Queen of Fado). And Madredeus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fado

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Ah, but in a Hillary administration, the Secret Service would be working for her, not him.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 24, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

>Seinfeld had a rule on the maximum amount of time allowed to admire the female form before averting your gaze.

Like looking at the sun was his rule

Posted by: SonofCarl | January 24, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

SCC Daniela Mercury http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005RGLK.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

she's getting better looking every year, I swear she started out as a somewhat akward gangly teen.


No SCC here, just another link: http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/05/21/Marisa_Monte_070521092829071_wideweb__300x375.jpg

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Good morning all. Here's a message from Cassandra: she is going to stop by the hospital after getting her hearing aid fixed and see if they can help her with her stubborn illness. She hopes they'll give her meds & send her home, but doesn't want anyone to worry if she isn't on the Boodle today.

I'm glad Bill C made the point that those media representatives were not asking the questions that the people are, and that the story won't ever be what the people are concerned about, but what the media wants to report. Shame on them indeed.

I will also be mostly Boodle-absent today; luncheon, meeting, and Boy transportation duties.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 24, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

TLF writes:
Hey, Cassandra - I bet we could make a mint if we were the first to market "CHILL, BILL" bumper stickers & t-shirts!

Sure, a meaningless, short, bumper-sticker slogan that has nothing to do with the real issues.

I was catching the last of the Diane Rehm show this morning. One of the guests was Louisville Mayor Jerry Abramson. (His brother-in-law, the rabbi, was one of my teachers at the Louisville JCC.) One of the callers asked about graduation rates in the three mayor-guests' respective cities, mentioning that the NYT reported that the statewide graduation rate is only 52 percent. Ouch. With 27 high schools in Louisville, the numbers are mixed, some graduating 100 percent, another only 50 percent.

http://www.jimrex.com/news/?id=36

While measuring student performance, The Monitor Group looked at numerous factors such as poverty, parental involvement, teen pregnancy and educational attainment of students' parents.

All of these factors still left little explanation as to why the high school completion rate is 53 percent -- a statistic calculated by the Manhattan Institute, which is considered by many research groups to be among the most reliable sources of such statistics.

There is more than one way to calculate the graduation rate, Dassel said, but "no matter how you add up the beans, South Carolina ranks low."


Bill Maher is back on the air and his show last night had several key segments. Fareed Zakaria delved into the silly rhetoric (used a example by a Republican candidate) that passes as a serious discussion of foreign policy--mentioning all those countries in the world that should be serously debated.

Maher himself was one of two roving reporters in South Carolina, Maher at Foxwood Mall. His repsonses were humorous --and uninformed, much along the likes of what ftb shared here about overhearing someone say she couldn't vote for Hillary because her calves are too wide. This is tragedy. One tall, broad-chested man Maher interviewed said he wouldn't vote for Hillary because she's a girl. Maher pointed out that she's 60.

yello, please don't make me pull out the history of the bra in response to your comment about porn.

Posted by: Loomis | January 24, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

SCC: mentioning that the NYT reported that the statewide graduation rate FOR SOUTH CAROLINA is only 52 percent.

Posted by: Loomis | January 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

We're talking of chemistry in biology, , thus my attention os focused on the atom. This editorial piece from the NYT makes a good case for standardizing nuclear power plant design. The trouble is, however, that drought may seriously affect the ability to provied coolant for the plants. I remember that there was a great rumor circulating in the North Country in the late 70's that Niagara Mohawk was going to line the shores of the St. Lawrence seaway with nuclear power plants to both keep the seaway navigable all year and for the purposes of exporting excess power across the border. The first step was construction of the 765kV power transmission line. That project attracted a lot of people that chained themselves to trees, etc., but the line was eventually built. I digress: the point is that we need some sort of dependable alternative power supply. something is to be said for a country that generates 85% of its domestic power with few accidents that have made international headlines.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/opinion/24cohen.html?hp

Posted by: jack | January 24, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Jack, one of the last good conversation I had with my father, was him explaining that very system to me - I regret to say that I did not pay as much attention as I should have or wish I had now.

Posted by: dmd | January 24, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

NAh, I'm thinking "Chill Bill" pretty much makes the point.

Even if Bill's accusations are right on the money (which I question), I don't think he is doing his wife any favors. It just makes one wonder about his self control issues. There is a time and place to take the press to task, and right before a key primary, it could be argued, isn't the time to do so.

A simple, calm "I don't want to discuss that now" continually repeated would have been a far more prudent response.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

A coworker of mine regifted me a Marisa Monte CD ("A Great Noise") that he had been given. The cover and liner notes had several line art drawings of nekkid wimmin. I had to make a work-safe wrap-around cover so I could leave it on my desk. The album is mostly in Portuguese with a couple of songs in phonetic English.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Loomis, all bumper sticker slogans are short by necessity but I'm not sure I'd agree that they're all "meaningless" if they get your point across. Especially if said bumper sticker gets a conversation going about the issues, a conversation we desparately need but doesn't lend itself well to bumper stickers. And if you read my earlier post, as well as Cassandra's, you would have seen my thinking behind the "Chill, Bill" bumper sticker.

Posted by: TLF | January 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Yello, I have the "American" version of that CD. All the same songs and cover art, but there is a black bar across the NSFW part of the woman's anatomy...hehehe, hey, wanna trade?

I also forgot to mention my Selena and Shakira collections, just two or three Selena CDs (always bring tears to my eyes to listen to though), and everything Shakira has recorded that I could get my hands on.

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

dmd: You made me think of the last conversation I had with my Dad. He was extremely concerned that we took care of our dogs. He transformed in his later years to develop a more liberal view of the world, a far cry from his younger days as a staunch Republican.

Posted by: jack | January 24, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

According to Bette Midler:

"The inventor of the modern foundation garment that we women wear today was a German scientist and opera lover by the name of Otto Titsling!"

And she should know.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

RD, Your 9:58 pm is wonderful.
Lagomorph central seems to be, at its warm fluffy bunny heart, your personal think tank.

Flashes of genius, there.

Posted by: dr | January 24, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't staunch a Republican even if I had just recarpeted:-)

Posted by: Boko999 | January 24, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

omni,

That is the same version I have. While the cover has the black bar, none of the inside art, including the graphic on the CD itself, has been censored. My version of the cover replicates the artist name and album title but replaces the illustration of the young lady with a marketing blurb about the album.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

We beat the state average and graduated 79.2% of our students on time.

Posted by: jack | January 24, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

If you really want some cuties singing in incomprehensible (to me at least) languages, check out S.H.E., Lee Hyori, or Fergie:

http://livebythefoma.blogspot.com/2007/08/bootleg-bootie.html

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

TLF, how about a compromise? Your point is well taken (by me). How about a bumper sticker that reads, "Talk the issues!"?

O.K., omni and yellow. Quiz time. "Why did the sale of C-cup bras increase by 50 percent during the '60?" I'll buy anyone who answers first and correctly a beer, provided you can mke it to Alamo City. But not at Hooters.

And yello, did you never see the movie "Beaches" in which the Divine Miss M performs her Otto T!tslinger routine?

Posted by: Loomis | January 24, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Padouk, you think Harpoonlian or whatever his name is, isn't an Obama surrogate? Harpooplian supported the Clintons in the 90s. Why the switch? Now there's a story for some enterprising reporter. Jessica Yellin of CNN perhaps?

The Obama machine has its pollsters, strategists, and spokespeople just like the Clintons and Romney, McCain and Gooliani (mired in the goo of low polling). I get nervous about Rudy because I keep hearing whispers that he's considering Texas Gov. Perry if he, Rudy, pulls ahead in the Republican horse race. I think the last thing the country needs is another Texan a heartbeat away from the Oval Office. Clinton just has far better name recognition.

In case you were unaware or forgot...Republican debate tonight from Florida on MSNBC. I'll be watching to see how much male chest-thumping will take place. Check your local listings.

Posted by: Loomis | January 24, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

yello, Liked the S.H.E vid, Lee Hyori not so much. Thanks for linking.

Loomis, I haven't clue, could it be better diets?

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

C-cup explosion? Perhaps the weight gain in the plether regions associated with birth control pills?

Posted by: College Parkian | January 24, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

'And yello, did you never see the movie "Beaches" in which the Divine Miss M performs her Otto T!tslinger routine?'

Duh! Didn't everybody? And my 11:54 AM comment made it through the Wirty Dird Filter unscathed.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

My 6:16 PM post states my opinion. But even if I am totally wrong, as a matter of *stratagy* what Bill did was dumb. He has managed to divert attention from the central message of Senator Clinton's campaign.

Whether this should be the case or not is a secondary issue. It *is* the case, and a shrewd politician like Bill should have known that. And if he cannot control himself, he has no business being on the trail.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The "Otto T" bit seemed to good to be true. Turns out it is an urban myth, much like "Thomas C."

http://www.snopes.com/business/origins/bra.asp

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Oooh, I'm liking CP's answer.

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I would hypothesize that bra-burning led to an increase in bra sales, favoring the intermediate cup sizes. Women of lesser "stature" could comfortably do without, after one bra-burning event, and never replace the burnt article. Women of greater "stature" knew that they couldn't do without, and thus toasted no titslingers. Only women of intermediate magnitude might be likely to burn the undergarment in a frenzy of liberty, then discover that it had some value, then forget the lesson (as people do) and repeat the process.

In reality, I can't believe that public bra-burning really was so widespread as to make a significant difference in C-cup sales, but I thought I should offer a chance to refute such a notion. Plus, I think it sounds funny.

Posted by: ScienceTim | January 24, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

That must be it omni. My first thought was that the sstem of measurement had changed. But the method of sizing with the band and cup sizes (non-standardized but widely used in North America) hasn't changed in the 60's. Got to be hormonal.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 24, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I would note here that "C-cup explosion," would be an excellent name for a rock band or a Boodle handle.

It's certainly an attention-getter.

bc

Posted by: bc | January 24, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I think it more to do with widespread implementation and enforcement of the Ann Landers Pencil Test (if you can't hold a pencil, you don't need one).

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

My thinking was that women who came of age in the 50's lived through WWI rationing, women who came of age in the 60's didn't.

But the combined oral contraceptive pill was first approved for use in the US in 1960. So I'm still liking CP's answer. Though I've also heard that weight gain on this type of contraceptive is a myth.

Hmmm, I think I may be liking my thinking little more.

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

SCC WWI=>WWII

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Those leather loops strung on horizontal poles to be used as handles in the public buses were called "brassières" by Québec City's transport authority. It lead to plenty of fine humour and numerous bon mots within the high school crowd. The male teenage mind is easily amused in these matters.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 24, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Tim's explanation is best, even it it turns out to be fancy rather than fact.

Were we to speak of the 80s, we would have to speak about the Wonder *RA, which sometimes included a gel-infused fabric. Ahhh, better living through chemistry.


And, were we to go back into Mudge time zones, we could speak about the wonder of corsets and stomachers (yes, that is a word) and busks and bodices and stays and the engineering-cambric infrastructure of nether and plether regions.

Is this where I drop the name of Kelly Top Gun, upon whose corset I stitched for the Shakespeare Theater circa 2001? Oh my, I dropped it. Enjoy.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 24, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I started reading this article in the NYTimes thinking the coffee mavens here would be interested. I ended thinking, Americans are so stupid, am I reading the Times or the Onion? What can the Onion make up that is more ridiculous than this:

"At Last, a $20,000 Cup of Coffee"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/dining/23coff.html?ei=5087&em=&en=22de8c37aa4b5b4f&ex=1201323600&pagewanted=print


Posted by: kbertocci | January 24, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I thought might have meant basque, but just learned that a busk is (also spelled busque) is the rigid element of a corset placed at the centre front.

How about a little more music, this from an indie pop/rock group from Washington D.C.: Georgie James - Cake Parade

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z27na3SXKI

Lyrics: http://www.lyricsmania.com/lyrics/georgie_james_lyrics_16527/other_lyrics_47224/cake_parade_lyrics_508956.html

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I should warn you all that that YouTube is a live performance and sounds very bootleg.

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

An SCC for every other post, sheesh

I thought CP might have meant...
And take out the first is (or the second is, I just don't care).

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

omni -- but buskers are street musicians, so your word quest is in pleasant circles.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 24, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

omni, nice set of images of real and reconstructed corset here:

http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/index.php?s=&c=8&d=115&e=&f=&g=&a=164&w=2

Posted by: College Parkian | January 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

And, Basque, sometimes lowercased, refers also to fabric or bodices fitted close to the body. Imagine the non-tulle portion of the classic tutu. That is a basque or basque-waiste.

Look here:

http://tutuinfo.com/basque.html

Thank you, Loomis,for letting me play costume history instructor! That is what I will do in my next life.

Posted by: College Costumian | January 24, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

SD, laughing about your bus handles word.CPBoy is finishing the Iliad and the Odyssey ....that fabled "charcoal brazier" appears often. He asked me how to pronounce this, because they often must read aloud to each other in class.

He may have been relieved because the thought of charcoal brassieres could have been way too much to think about. However, he is quieter these days, and does not always reveal the inner dialog.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 24, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Loomis, et. al. A suggestion for a a meaningless, short, bumper-sticker slogan that has nothing to do with the real issues:

Vote for Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | January 24, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I discovered in ny search for a standard on bra sizing that the largest conventional cup size is L. (even up to JJ for the uK and Australia system)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassiere_measurements
In that size this is not bra-burning this becomes a structural fire. Do not approach without wearing bunker gear (turn-out gear for you Murricans).

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 24, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Does that $20k coffee brewer include the civet cats?

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

*laughing, Don*

*laughing really, really hard, Science Tim*

CP, you're right, but would like a little more...hint, Pincus, not the Washington Post's Walter Pincus, however...starting to chill the beer glasses for CP and me

Posted by: Loomis | January 24, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

My Cub Scouts nearly completed the construction of their trebuchet last night. Still have to fasten the holder for the projectile. Since we are on the topic of, ah ..., cup sizes, what would the boodle recommed? Will it work to use an entire bra, and hurl two rocks at once?

Posted by: Don from I-270 | January 24, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Don,

Just make sure you name it the Double Barreled Over The Shoulder Boulder Thrower.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Wyatt: Gary?... By the way, why are we wearing bras on our heads?
Garry: [hesitates] Ceremonial.

Posted by: Kelly LeBrock | January 24, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Don, the Twins Launcher is a good experiment, maybe with a couple of those mortar balls.

Ah, for a cup of civet cat coffee... I'll take mine in mocha, please.

bc

Posted by: bc | January 24, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Drum roll please -- it's *NOT* my thyroid. My wonderful (really) doc said that my thyroid levels were in the "superb" range, to which I replied: "Oh, *(&(^)$%%$#" (or words to that effect).

Whatever it is, it shall pass (accompanying, perhaps entirely too painful, metaphors notwithstanding).

The mines await (glub, glub).

Toodles, boodle.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | January 24, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Somewhat off topic, thanks to Slate I give you Hillary and her inner Tracey Flick - it made me laugh and also made me want to watch Election again.

http://slatev.com/player.html?id=1377935786

Posted by: dmd | January 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

ftb, if it's menopause, I hope you got appropriate advice and medications. I find soy helpful, myself.

Posted by: Slyness | January 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

In the 1972 Woody Allen film "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex * But Were Afraid to Ask," one of the segments involves mad scientist John Carradine who has an accident in the lab. A patient is left attached to his silicon injection machine too long, there is a terrible explosion, and the only thing left is a breast as big as a house which wobbles around the countryside squashing folks who get in its way. Woody saves the day when he constructs a foundation garment large enough to bring the renegade gland under control. The highlight of the film, however, is the final segment on male orgasm examined at the cellular level. This by itself justifies the film's existence. Woody plays a reluctant sperm in a scene played out like nervous paratroopers in a war film getting ready to leap into the unknown.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 24, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Election, like Spinal Tap, is one of those movies that only gets funnier with time as life imitates art.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Would that it would be that, Slyness -- I'm waaaayyyy past menopause (by about 10 years (guessing)). Never really had an awful lot of symptoms. Occasional power surges, which were not bad (no sweat dripping off the nose, etc.).

This set of symptoms could just be whatever's going around and settled in this fashion in me. Beats the stomach flu, alright.

I'm pounding it down, and will be back to my usual sunny, ever so perky self pretty soon. So long as I avoid reading/listening to politics and dutifully take my Tylenol PM, all will be well (laughing).

Gotta go.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | January 24, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Ok, ladies, step up to the open mike...

Why *do* they call it 'menopause' when it only happens to women?

Let's hear your best lines, folks.

bc

Posted by: bc | January 24, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Such an interesting boodle. This is why The Trail envies the A-blog.

FYI, I am jumping on a plane again, this time bound for Phoenix. My Arkansas story will run in a few days. On the plane I am going to study this new AGU statement on global warming, which somehow leaves me wanting more, broader, bigger, wiser, more urgent, etc....Check it out:


AGU Revises Position on Climate Change

WASHINGTON - A statement newly released by the world's largest
scientific society of Earth and space scientists--the American Geophysical
Union, or AGU--updates the organization's position on climate change: the
evidence for it, potential consequences from it, and how to respond to it.

The statement is the first revision since 2003 of the climate-change position
of the AGU, which has a membership of 50,000 researchers, teachers, and
students in 137 countries. The society adopted the statement at a meeting of
AGU's leadership body, the AGU Council, in San Francisco, California, on
14 December 2007. AGU position statements expire in four years, unless
extended by the Council.

Following is the text of the revised statement (also available online at
http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/positions/climate_change2008.shtml ).


Human Impacts on Climate

The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many
components of the climate system--including the temperatures of the
atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the
sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons--are
now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best
explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and
aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. Global
average surface temperatures increased on average by about 0.6 degrees
Celsius over the period 1956-2006. As of 2006, eleven of the previous
twelve years were warmer than any others since 1850. The observed rapid
retreat of Arctic sea ice is expected to continue and lead to the
disappearance of summertime ice within this century. Evidence from most
oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to
human activities. Recent changes in many physical and biological systems
are linked with this regional climate change. A sustained research effort,
involving many AGU members and summarized in the 2007 assessments of
the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, continues to improve our
scientific understanding of the climate.

During recent millennia of relatively stable climate, civilization became
established and populations have grown rapidly. In the next 50 years, even
the lower limit of impending climate change--an additional global mean
warming of 1 degree Celsius above the last decade--is far beyond the range
of climate variability experienced during the past thousand years and poses
global problems in planning for and adapting to it. Warming greater than 2
degrees Celsius above 19th century levels is projected to be disruptive,
reducing global agricultural productivity, causing widespread loss of
biodiversity, and--if sustained over centuries--melting much of the
Greenland ice sheet with ensuing rise in sea level of several meters. If this 2
degrees Celsius warming is to be avoided, then our net annual emissions of
carbon dioxide must be reduced by more than 50 percent within this
century. With such projections, there are many sources of scientific
uncertainty, but none are known that could make the impact of climate
change inconsequential. Given the uncertainty in climate projections, there
can be surprises that may cause more dramatic disruptions than anticipated
from the most probable model projections.

With climate change, as with ozone depletion, the human footprint on Earth
is apparent. The cause of disruptive climate change, unlike ozone depletion,
is tied to energy use and runs through modern society. Solutions will
necessarily involve all aspects of society. Mitigation strategies and
adaptation responses will call for collaborations across science, technology,
industry, and government. Members of the AGU, as part of the scientific
community, collectively have special responsibilities: to pursue research
needed to understand it; to educate the public on the causes, risks, and
hazards; and to communicate clearly and objectively with those who can
implement policies to shape future climate.

Posted by: Achenbach | January 24, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

bc,
As a patron of "Menopause: The Musical", I think that is the one joke they missed.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

bc, you are channeling Edith Bunker when she asked Archie why "if they call it menopause when it happens to women, why don't they call it womenopause when it happens to men?"

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 24, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Is it Global Warming Thursday already?

**cue dittohead denials/ostrich head burying**

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

bc, its when we pause from our usual female brilliance and act more like we were men. pausing like men became men o pause.

Posted by: dr | January 24, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the AGU committee put considerable effort into writing a straightforward letter to the public.

Having seen many examples of dense or incomprehensible stuff from hard-working, intelligent science committees, I admire whoever did the job at AGU.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | January 24, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

LIST OF THE 34 MENOPAUSE SYMPTOMS
1. Hot Flashes
2. Night Sweats
3. Irregular Periods
4. Loss of Libido
5. Vaginal Dryness
6. Fatigue
7. Hair Loss
8. Sleep Disorders
9. Difficulty Concentrating
10. Memory Lapses
11. Dizziness
12. Weight Gain
13. Incontinence
14. Bloating
15. Allergies
16. Fingernails
17. Changes in Odor
18. Racing Heart Beat19. Mood Swings
20. Depression
21. Anxiety
22. Irritability
23. Panic Disorder
24. Breast Tenderness
25. Migraines
26. Aching Joints
27. Burning Tongue
28. Electric Shocks
29. Digestive Problems
30. Gum Problems
31. Muscle Tensions
32. Itchy Skin
33. Tingling Extremities
34. Osteoporosis

Posted by: Public Service Announcement | January 24, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I feel so frivolous posting this after Joel's AGU revelation, but speaking of trebuchets, has anyone here ever gone to the Punkin Chunkin?

www.punkinchunkin.com

Posted by: Raysmom | January 24, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey PSA--thanks for giving me something to look forward to.

Posted by: Raysmom | January 24, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Dang. I've had menopause for five years already. I won't enumerate exactly which symptoms.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

It's number 4 that worries me. I thought ladies were pretty good at keeping track of things.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

That AGU memo does lay it all out very clearly.

I think, perhaps, that I am suffering from apocalyptic exhaustion. I know it's bad. I know it's important. And I really am counting on the movers and shakers of the world to do some serious moving and shaking.

In the meantime, all I can do is modify my own behavior as best I can and try not to let the paralysis of fear rob all the joy from my life.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

How well do you know your candy?

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/departments/homework/?page=Quiz196&Quizid=196

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

PRELIMINARY LIST OF "MEN"OPAUSE SYMPTOMS
1. Buying a hot, new car
2. Divorce and trying to buy a hot, new wife or girlfriend
3. Re-starts garage band that would have made him famous if he'd only stuck with it
4. V-I-A-G-R-A
5. Hairy Ears
6. Begins collecting vintage guitars
7. Divorced from reality I--believes he looks 15 years younger than he does
8. Divorce from reality II--believes she really loves him for who he is instead of what he can buy

Posted by: public service announcement | January 24, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

My first perfect score in a long time. I'm so proud.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

7/10 on the candy quiz. All I can say on #8 is "Ew."

And anyone who grew up when I did knows that the answer to #10 is "three."

Just got out of three hours of testy meetings. Why do some people keep their guns a-blazin' even after the 5th time you say "I want to help you?"

Posted by: Raysmom | January 24, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

psa,
I have WAY more of the symptoms of the first list than the second list.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

8/10, got the first two wrong - we don't have Babe Ruth bars up here.

Posted by: dmd | January 24, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I got a 9/10, and bet you can all guess which one I got wrong: EW is exactly right Raysmom.

Posted by: omni | January 24, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

That's because you're a keeper!

Posted by: psa | January 24, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain the "Electric Shocks" system, is that something I will endure or some kind of ability I will gain, as in when I am in the midst of a bad mood swing I can shock those that are p*ssing me off.

Posted by: dmd | January 24, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the loss of libido in women isn't hormonal. Maybe it's related to the hairy ears in men.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

9/10 Baby Ruth got me.

Wildly back boodling between meetings. The Mayo Clinic's web site notes "decrease in breast fullness" as a symptom of menopause. Ma Frostbitten says "that's when 34Bs become 34Longs."

Posted by: frostbitten | January 24, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

7/10 but I protest the answer on the Baby Ruth question. "You're right but you're wrong" is nothing but weaseling sophistry. "Oh we know they said that was the reason, but we don't believe them so you're wrong." "Apparently A but quite possibly B" was not an option. If it had been, that would have been my answer. On everything. Not just the test, everything.

Posted by: crc | January 24, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Padouk. Another keeper.

Posted by: psa | January 24, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

SCC Electric shock symptom

Posted by: dmd | January 24, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Just in case the ear hair item wasn't enough about mid-life male grooming:

http://livebythefoma.blogspot.com/2008/01/hair-today-gone-tomorrow.html

Posted by: yellojkt | January 24, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Well, I was going to claim to have navigated menopause without symptoms, but I do have fingernails (symptom #16). (?)

Posted by: kbertocci | January 24, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the delay, I'm kinda on a roll here as a domestic goddess this afternoon.

The story of why the number of C-cups sales increased in the '60s is really a beautiful but tragic love story, along the likes of the Canadian film "Away From Her" but with a strong genetic component and a tie to Abraham Lincoln. I know it sounds like the next plot in a Nick Cage "American Treasure" sequel, but tis true!

I'll try to get to it tomorrow. In the early hours, weather depending, we're going to try to make it to the kickoff event for the San Antonio Stock Show and Rodeo, the Cowboy Breakfast. The location moved this year and it's never been closer to us. The Guiness Book of World Records calls it the largest feeding event, participant-wise.

See y'all in the morning after the debates and the hot steaming coffee and breakfast tacos and biscuits.

CP, when you get to town, name the location. Laughing, frostbitten.

Posted by: Loomis | January 24, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

9/10 on the quiz...

*submerging back into the morass of paper*

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 24, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

RD, your 3:50 just may answer a few questions that I've been pondering. Seems that all of the hair on top of my head fell out, and landed in my ears.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | January 24, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

yj, you're a brave (and funny) man. I loved this line "I put my testicles in escrow and went down to join her."

I'll take the razor to the stray fuzz on Raysdad's neck. But he's on his own in the ear and nose territory.

Posted by: Raysmom | January 24, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I just want to remind folks here, for the record, that imaginary friends sometimes do very nice things.

frosti... love Ma Frostbitten's words of wisdom.

TLF... good to see you back. I was just thinking of you and hoping you were still around.

Posted by: TBG | January 24, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

A brief rise from the depths. Spent last night at a public hearing, did some catch-up this a.m., then GIS training this afternoon. Hit 8-10 on the quiz. I kinda protested to myself about Baby Ruth; and, yes, ew-w-w. Re: Fingernails and menopause: I would guess that the loss of calcium that causes osteoporosis also results in brittle, splitting nails. Yes?

Posted by: ebtnut | January 24, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Itchy skin? Add one quarter cup of olive oil to your bath. Swipe out bath, or the next bather may slip.

Only olive oil takes are of the winter itchies.

Well, Loomis, enjoy that fine break-fast and mosey back to tell us the C-version of a love story, perhaps with Lincoln in it.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 24, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich is throwing in the towel...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/24/AR2008012402121.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: TBG | January 24, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

That fingernails item reminds me of sportscasters who say things like "he's out with a knee" or "he's got a bone in his hip" (my personal fave).

Well.. yeah.

Posted by: TBG | January 24, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

8/10 on the quiz. Earwax jelly bellies? Blech.

Posted by: ccupexplosion | January 24, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton's comment to the CNN reporter were on point and were not the "red-faced rant" the news headlines suggest. But then again the rancor among the DEM candidates has been overplayed in the media, anyway. The GOP candidates have been wailing away at each other for a mouth now. McCain just compared debating with Romney to "wrestling a pig". Ed Rollins, of the Huckabee campaign, said he wanted to "knock his (Romney's) teeth out". And yet we have Dem's and the media fretting about nastieness on the Den side. Gimmie a break.

Obama supporters need a reality check. Obama disses Bill Clinton's Presidency in the same sentence he praises the republicans as "the party of ideas". However one chooses to interpret his statements, that is infact what he did. Bill Clinton is a big boy and can take a hit, BUT I ask how does that advance the cause of party unity? And why is the Obama camp crying bloody murder, and saying Clinton is the one threatening party unity when the Clinton folks throw that diss back at them in a Radio ad in SC., that reminds voters what some of those GOP "ideas" were?

Candidates tussel in a democracy. Thats the process, but since the media likes the racial angle to the story, they make it seem the DEM's are going at it worse than the GOP, when they are so not. It just politics.. nothing about this is racial, except the distorted perception of Obama supporters. Obama needs to make his case, and if he should fall short of nomination, fall in line behind the nominee and urge his supports to follow his lead. Obama's comments about how he would be able to get Hillary supporters to vote for him, but Obama supporters won't back her, because Bill and Hill were mean to him, disturbed me greatly. Presidents need a tough hide Senator Obama.

Posted by: Larry Biddle | January 24, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich is throwing in the towel...
Kucinich interviewed by Dan Snider four times in one day.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 24, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

kb, me too, I've had fingernails for a long time! What about fingernails?!?

Posted by: mostlylurking | January 24, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

So..so...no more photo ops with Elizabeth Kucinich?

Politics can be so cruel.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Oy, what a day. It's nearly five o'clock and I've accomplished virtually nothing. *sigh*

At the hospital this morning for my routine glucose tolerance test, I had something happen that's never happened to me in all the many dozens of times I've been poked and prodded for blood: the nurse sticking in the needle in my elbow crease "hit a gusher." Usually the worst thing that happens is the phlebo simply misses the vein (or it has collapsed), and it hurts a tad, and they try something else, and there's only a drop or two of blood, if any. No biggie. This morning I was watching the Today show and she said, "OK, here we go" and a second later she said: "Ooops. Oh dear." So I look down and there's this spurt of blood coming out of my vein and it ran down onto the towel as well as the pillow under my arm, and there's this big spot of blood on it, and the crease in my arm is filled with it. So she and the assistant nurse had to remove the towel and pillow and clean up my arm, etc. (Of course, she left the needle in, which was good: when you get a pumper like that one, you don't back out.) So then I drank my pint of cola-flavored glucose and over the course of the next three hours, at 15-minute increments, they drained my body of every ounce of blood I possessed--all except 11 white blood cells I managed to hide from them in my liver by disguising them as Martini onions.

So now I'm as dessicated as a Saltine. Got to work at 1:30, ate four Cheetohs and drank some soda--and immediately went into a seminar. At 3:00 I had to greet a job applicant and shepherd him around the department for interviews. He left at 4:15. Sat down and deleted most of my incoming e-mail (after reading it), then finally started reading the boodle. Last item was TBG's post at 4:51. Threw my lunch in a microwave and am now eating it. It is 5:06. My bus leaves at 5:35, and I pack up my desk at about 5:23. Now 5:07. I have 16 minutes to finish lunch AND do some work.

Well, finish lunch, anyway.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 24, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

*Faxing a flask of red corpuscles to Mudge*

Posted by: Raysmom | January 24, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Bless you, Raysmom.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 24, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

*rechecking label before faxin' 'Mudge some plasma*

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 24, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

What I'm *really* distressed about is I missed an entire Boodle on bra sizes, men0pause, etc. I mean, really, people. How could you all do this without me? Life is just so unfair.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 24, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Gotta run. Anybody want some leftover breadfruit fritters?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 24, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

The press acts like TV news sometimes. The TV news acts like TV news all the time.

Posted by: Jumper | January 24, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

C-cup,
My wife got me a box of those Bertie Botts Everyflavor beans a couple of years ago as a gag. Not too bad, generally. Even the earwax ones were tolerable. Better than her cookin', anyway.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | January 24, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

TBG, thanks, I always check the boodle every day, it's just that sometimes I don't have the time to do it justice!

8/10 on the first quiz I've taken and I take serious issue with #2 since all I've ever heard in 50+ years is the Grover Cleveland storyline. It might not be the truth but if we don't hear the truth how can we know the truth (I sound like a politician...) And I guess I just never ate wint-o-green in the dark so I didn't know they sparked - have to try that one and freak out the cats.

Laughed thru the bra and menopause discussions but cannot figure out how to say what I want without getting yanked!

Posted by: TLF | January 24, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Jumper.. your 5:42 is amazingly profound.

Posted by: TBG | January 24, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Apropos of absolutely nothing (except possibly Joels Weather warning), if anyone is having some ugly winter weather, could they please fax it to me. Alberta is in severe need of a cold spell.

I washed my car this morning and one short drive later, it is now covered in brown sand and melted snow schmutz.

Having said this, if it now gets freaking cold, you will not hear me complain.

Posted by: dr | January 24, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Fax some chill north west to dr, we already went through our brown schmutz phase, all old snow is gone, ground thawed and since refrozen and fresh dusting of snow. Ready for the cold to leave now. :-)

Posted by: dmd | January 24, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Whew! Made it up the mountain. It is currently 19 degrees with a 20 mile an hour wind. Mr. T wanted to make photos of the cottage in the snow for next year's Christmas card. Needless to say, we didn't stand outside for long...It's Winterfest weekend, and we are headed out to Winterfeast in a few minutes. All the good area restaurants get together and provide food for the feast. One goes from station to station until one is sated. Great fun, great food, all for good local causes.

Mudge, have a big steak for supper to supplement the red blood cells and plasma that were faxed to you.

Posted by: Slyness | January 24, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

ha dmd,

Maybe there could be a team of superheros:

Electro-Shock
Heart Beat Racer
The Hot Flash
Tingling Extremity

Discretion being the better part of valour, I'll stop there.

Posted by: SonofCarl | January 24, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Hello, friends. I'm home and taking medication. Still feel rough,but maybe now things will improve.

Slyness, got the card, and it is so beautiful. Thanks for thinking of me.

Thank you, Ivansmom for putting the message out.

Going to bed now,just can't hang. A real interesting discussion today on all things female.

TLF, that just might be winner.

It will take two weeks to get my hearing-aid fixed, but I'm glad the work has started. The guy gave me a loaner, but it the volume only goes to one,so it's really like not having on a hearing-aid.

Good night, all. Sweet dreams.

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Posted by: cassandra s | January 24, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrodog, this one's for you!

http://www.linein.org/media/screenclean.swf

Posted by: Slyness | January 24, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I need a symptom that will give me the power to include the endings to my words.

SCC faxing

Posted by: dmd | January 24, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

dmd, if Electric Shock is a power you gain, I want it too.

Posted by: dr | January 24, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, TBG. Pithy is what I am. And I do not lisp. For you and yours: The book that the <3 is on, is Hansel and Gretel. Omni probably knows.

I got 9/10 on the candy quiz. Question 5? The devil made me do it.

I was contemplating raising rabbits. But birds of prey make them more apt to disappear than, say, a goat. I invented (mentally) a cage sort of like a Roomba, that walks around on the lawn, slowly. Fresh grass in a new spot. The lawn stays well cropped. The rabbits get fat.

For no particular reason, a tune cootie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ9nvljscEk

Posted by: Jumper | January 24, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

My daughter just came in while I was watching Jumpers' Youtube link, I asked her if she knew what the picture was, she said Yes, that one of those old things, old people had. I said you mean a record player? Think I am going to go test out my shocking capability. Truth be told I get shocks from just about everything, I get shocks just walking by our metal file cabinets at work, can't wait til that gets increased by menopause.

Posted by: dmd | January 24, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

If I'm not mistaken, the turntable is a B&O. I thought Georgie Fame sounded familiar and googled the Ballad of Bonnie and Clyde. Bingo!

Posted by: jack | January 24, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

And here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubOI9yY55JU

Posted by: Jumper | January 24, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

...and from the fox in the hen house department, Paul Wolfowitz will chair an advisory panel on arms control at State.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/washington/politics-usa-wolfowitz.html

Posted by: jack | January 24, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

*AT HOME, ON MY OWN COMPUTER AND ON MY OWN TIME*

Ahem. Jack, you had a question? :-)

Just let me say this -- the issue this summer in the Southeast was water TEMPERATURES, not levels. (Funny, I could swear I repeatedly said that to another person over the phone.) Nuclear plants have state-issued water permits that essentially say they can't heat the river/lake/etc beyond a certain point, and in once case the river reached that temperature all by its lonesome, so a plant had to shut one reactor down.

And all of that applies to ANY steam-cycle power plant, be it fired by coal, gas, oil, biomass or what have you.

If lakes and rivers drop to the point where a power plant can't draw water from them, believe you me electricity prices are the least of your worries.

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 24, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I see that explains the relentless draining of Lake James to feed lakes Norman and Wylie.

Posted by: Jumper | January 24, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Great minds work together, scotty. I was just thinking that I had yet to hear from you. What worries me is that Lake Wylie, I think, is within a foot of the minimum depth at which the Catawba NS can draw water from the lake. If it isn't Wylie, then it is Lake Norman and the McGuire NS. I hadn't even considered ambient temperature. I sense that the words rolling blackout will soon become part of the local vernacular.

Posted by: jack | January 24, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if "snow schmutz" is one of those mysterious "47 different words for kinds of snow" that Eskimos (now known as "Alaska natives") supposedly have.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 24, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, since you are at home on your own computer, let me say this. As a nation next door to you, with large amounts of fresh cold water, we think about this. A lot.

Posted by: dr | January 24, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

...another of the 47 mots de neige...

Dreamed I was an Eskimo
(Bop-bop ta-da-da bop-bop Ta-da-da)
Frozen wind began to blow
(Bop-bop ta-da-da bop-bop Ta-da-da)
Under my boots 'n around my toe
(Bop-bop ta-da-da bop-bop Ta-da-da)
Frost had bit the ground below
(Boop-boop aiee-ay-ah!)
Was a hundred degrees below zero
(Booh!)
(Bop-bop ta-da-da bop-bop Ta-da-da)
And my momma cried:
Boo-a-hoo hoo-ooo
And my momma cried:
Nanook-a, no no (no no . . . )
Nanook-a, no no (no no . . . )
Don't be a naughty Eskimo-wo-oh
(Bop-bop ta-da-da bop-bop Ta-da-da)
Save your money: don't go to the show
Well I turned around an' I said:
HO HO
(Booh!)
Well I turned around an' I said:
HO HO
(Booh!)
Well I turned around an' I said:
HO HO
An' the Northern Lites commenced t' glow
An' she said
(Bop-bop ta-da-da bop . . . )
With a tear in her eye:
WATCH OUT WHERE THE HUSKIES GO
AN' DON'T YOU EAT THAT YELLOW SNOW
WATCH OUT WHERE THE HUSKIES GO
AN' DON'T YOU EAT THAT YELLOW SNOW


Posted by: jack | January 24, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

jack;

Can't be too specific, even under these circumstances, but I would say your concerns are somewhat premature.

dr, whatEVER do you have in mind??? ;-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 24, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

It's been getting in the the mid-20s F overnight here, dr. That probably is a heat wave for you. Sunny and dry, which is nice, but too dang cold for me.

Posted by: mostlylurking | January 24, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Jumper - I think that hydro-production is probably a bigger issue in the Catawba system, isn't it?

Posted by: Bob S. | January 24, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Given the long term weather forecast posted last fall by NOAA, the fact that the region finished out the year some 20"+ below normal precipitation, I trust that DPC has a contingency plan. I don't see the area getting rain every day in the near future. Good thing that the house was built before the advent of a/c. I may yet get a chance to ventilate the place the old timey way and may even use the old ice block trick to keep things cool.

Posted by: jack | January 24, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I just read this on Wonkette.

HOW MUCH DID THEY PAY FOR THAT ONE: The kids at Radar hear that the New York Times will endorse Hillary Clinton for president in a weekend editorial. Somewhere Paul Krugman is skipping and singing his favorite gleeful showtunes, while Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd are moving to France in whiny sobs. [Radar]

Sorry, MoMoDo.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | January 24, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, good for her!

On the other hand, if she didn't already have New York sewn up, wasn't she gonna be in trouble?

Posted by: Bob S. | January 24, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, jack and Jumper, water levels in the Catawba basin are a real concern. I will say, though, that I got a glimpse of the Catawba when we crossed at Hickory, and it's higher than it was three weeks ago. I can't really tell from this picture of Lake James, but I could swear that it's a little higher than it's been:

http://www.highcountrywebcams.com/webcameras_LakeJames.htm

(Of course, you can see more in daylight.)

Posted by: Slyness | January 24, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I guess my earlier point was that thermoelectric production (nuclear, coal, gas, oil, what have you - which doesn't typically require the creation of a large reservoir) is much more water-efficient than hydroelectric production, which requires large reservoirs and the resulting evaporative losses. It's been a while since I studied this deeply, but I seem to recall that the national average is something along the lines of a 35- or 40-to-1 ratio of consumptive water use between hydroelectric and thermoelectric power production plants. [A little less than 20 gallons per kilowatt hour vs a little less than half a gallon per kilowatt-hour is what rings a bell.]

If water is being moved from one lake to fill another, it's not primarily because a nuclear power plant is making a bunch of water disappear somehow.

Posted by: Bob S. | January 24, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

And of course, the real issue in the Catawba basin (as in most places) is population growth and a dry spell.

Posted by: Bob S. | January 24, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't suppose there's any chance we can go back to talking about cup sizes?

*sigh*

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 24, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

'mudge - Well, I may steer clear of THAT topic, but I promise that I'll let power production go for a while!

:-)

Posted by: Bob S. | January 24, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

So, which is bigger, the Americas Cup or the Stanley Cup?

Posted by: Bob S. | January 24, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

*SIGH*

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 24, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Mudge - I'm sure you remember reading this. And if anyone hasn't they should. For us guys it's like being a fly on the wall. The young lady involved is a friend of Gene Weingarten's and is extremely intelligent.

Thus shooting down one unfortunate stereotype right there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/08/AR2006110801473.html

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, Mudge, - The great sangria crises is under consideration in the legislature, BillaryBamaGate is momentarily tamped down awaiting further events, and Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

What shall we take up next?

Posted by: Bob S. | January 24, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Jack, liked your song. Is it a parody of anything? Rhyming snow with toes reminds me of Winnie the Pooh (tiddle-pom, tiddly pom).

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 24, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure miltary aircraft are out.

The funny thing, Padouk, is I've always been fine with A's and B's. Uh, academically speaking. And if I wanna hold a pencil, I just stick it behind my ear.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 24, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

RD - Of course I remember it. What a great piece! [of writing - just stop that!]]

Posted by: Anonymous | January 24, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I loved that article because it is so honest and funny. It made me realize that this whole breast fixation we men have is kind of stupid.

But then, we men do lots of stupid things.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 24, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Amen, RD, amen.

Posted by: Slyness | January 24, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Howdy and good night, Boodle. The luncheon for which I was responsible went well; the meeting following it went well; we stayed in for the evening (unexpected treat on a Thursday) and I think I figured out how to get email on my iPhone; saved tackling voice mail for another day; the Boy & I still a little under the weather and consequently very tired; cannot stop for a new sentence; Cassandra, glad you're on the way to better; Mudge, glad you kept some blood.

Vaya con queso and fondue.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 24, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

cannot resist experiment boodling from iPhone happy if works technology is magic good night all

Posted by: ivansmom | January 24, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, for linking to that article RD, very good - I particularly like the description of the two types of bras, so true.

Posted by: dmd | January 24, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

G'nite I-mom!

Posted by: Bob S. | January 24, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, Jack was channeling Frank Zappa.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer999 | January 24, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom... here's a tip, if it's set this way in "Settings" (and I think the default is ON) on your iPhone, then when you double-tap the spacebar, a period will appear at the end of your previous sentence. It *is* like magic.

Not that we mind the runon thoughts...

Posted by: TBG | January 24, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

snow schmutz reminds me that in recent years, certain scientists have been busily searching melting glaciers in western Canada to find frozen mammals, frozen people, ancient poop, and all manner of other stuff. I think one of them was quoted as saying he'd never, ever drink glacier water.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | January 24, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

No sooner rumored than done--the New York Times "Editorial Board Primary Choices" are Clinton and McCain.

So what should I fax to Krugman? Maybe a nice ear of Illinois corn?

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | January 24, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

So Paul can enjoy the Hokie match play iteration of the venerable game corn hole??

Posted by: jack | January 24, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Checking in for a minute, folks.

Joel, that AGU report and the fourth assessment report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) a few months back sure add up to Deep Trouble, don't they?

If you want some wisdom, I suggest investing in companies that produce sunscreen and hip waders *now*. 50-100 years from now, when your lifespan has been extended to over 150 years but there isn't enough room on Earth for everyone to have bodies so we "oldsters" are reduced to heads living in jars with Virtual Reality/Internet.wwwXMLVI connectivty and interfaces, you'll have enough Linden dollars to buy a nice square meter of beachfront property in Colorado to retire to.

bc

Posted by: bc | January 24, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Good for you, Yello!

Just consider that each time you get it done, less grows back.

Posted by: dbG | January 24, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Daughter and I are taking a morning train tomorrow for a long weekend trip to NYC. Among other various activities, we're seeing Wicked, Young Frankenstein and The Little Mermaid.

Of course, in typical G family manner, our clothes for the trip are in the dryer right now.

Posted by: TBG | January 24, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't find it odd that the NYT would endorse Republican and Republican-Lite.

Posted by: Boko999 | January 24, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I just can't shake this Zappa thing tonight...

I might be movin' to Montana soon
Just to raise me up a crop of
Dental Floss
Raisin' it up
Waxen it down
In a little white box
That I can sell uptown
By myself I wouldn't
Have no boss,
But I'd be raisin' my lonely
Dental Floss
Raisin' my lonely
Dental Floss
Well I just might grow me some bees
But I'd leave the sweet stuff
To somebody else . . . but then, on the other hand Iwould
Keep the wax
N' melt it down
Pluck some Floss
N' swish it aroun'
I'd have me a crop
An' it'd be on top (that's why I'm movin' to Montana)
Movin' to Montana soon
Gonna be a Dental Floss tycoon (yes I am)
Movin' to Montana soon
Gonna be a mennil-toss flykune
I'm pluckin' the ol'
Dennil Floss
That's growin' on the prairie
Pluckin' the floss!
I plucked all day an' all nite an' all
Afternoon . . .
I'm ridin' a small tiny hoss
(His name is MIGHTY LITTLE)
He's a good hoss
Even though
He's a bit dinky to strap a big saddle or
Blanket on anyway
He's a bit dinky to strap a big saddle or
Blanket on anyway
Any way
I'm pluckin' the ol'
Dennil Floss
Even if you think it is a little silly, folks
I don't care if you think it's silly, folks
I don't care if you think it's silly, folks
I'm gonna find me a horse
Just about this big,
An' ride him all along the border line
With a
Pair of heavy-duty
Zirconia-encrusted tweezers in my hand
Every other wrangler would say
I was mighty grand
By myself I wouldn't
Have no boss,
But I'd be raisin' my lonely
Dental Floss
Raisin' my lonely
Dental Floss
Raisin' my lonely
Dental Floss
Well I might
Ride along the border
With my tweezers gleamin'
In the moon-lighty night
And then I'd
Get a cuppa cawfee
N' give my foot a push . . .
Just me 'n the pygmy pony
Over the Dennil Floss Bush
N' then I might just
Jump back on
An' ride
Like a cowboy
Into the dawn to Montana
Movin' to Montana soon
(Yippy-Ty-O-Ty-Ay)
Movin' to Montana soon
(Yippy-Ty-O-Ty-Ay)
Movin' to Montana soon
(Yippy-Ty-O-Ty-Ay)
Movin' to Montana soon
(Yippy-Ty-O-Ty-Ay)
Movin' to Montana soon
(Yippy-Ty-O-Ty-Ay)
Movin' to Montana soon
(Yippy-Ty-O-Ty-Ay)
Movin' to Montana soon
(Yippy-Ty-O-Ty-Ay)
Movin' to Montana soon
(Yippy-Ty-O-Ty-Ay)
Movin' to Montana soon
(Yippy-Ty-O-Ty-Ay)
Movin' to Montana soon
(Yippy-Ty-O-Ty-Ay)
Movin' to Montana soon
(Yippy-Ty-O-Ty-Ay)
Movin' to Montana soon
(Yippy-Ty-O-Ty-Ay)

Posted by: jack | January 24, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

If you have the time, TBG, head up Broadway and go to the Happy Burger that's near Columbia. It's the place where the SNL burger, coke, no Pepsi schtick came from. Be careful to not take the express train at Columbus Circle, though. I switched trains there late one night and it got me to 116th, where I wanted to be, but I didn't recognize the station. When I got up to the street, I was at Lenox Ave., the heart of Harlem. It was past midnight and I had no idea where I was and walked back to where I was staying. I almost walked through Morningside Park when I got to Lexington and walked around it on the advice of a jogger. Thanks to a guardian angel, I arrived at my destination safely.

Posted by: jack | January 24, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

i think the most interesting part of the nyt editorial endorsements is their reasoning for not endorsing giuliani. they're apparently not too fond of the guy, to put it mildly.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | January 24, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

TBG-feeling some real frenvy right now. Ma Frostbitten and baby Frostsis were there 2 weeks ago with the younger frostnieces and I wasn't able to join them. We try to meet there at least once a year, and sometimes we even let the men folk come along (not often).

Posted by: frostbitten | January 24, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Lurker - Heck yeah, the most interesting part. It was the bulk of the editorial, yes?

They are DEFINITELY not fans of Rudy!

Republican:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/25/opinion/25fri2.html

Democratic:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/25/opinion/25fri1.html

Posted by: Bob S. | January 24, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I recall the New Yorker running a drawing showing a Rudy-ized sidewalk and intersection. Manhattan pedestrians found a lot to dislike about him.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | January 24, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Wow.. that was fun reading the Times' trashing of Rudy.

Posted by: TBG | January 24, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

TBG - have a wonderful time in NYC...it sounds like it's going to be perfect winter weather...sunny and 33 degrees.

DotC - your 10:15 cracked me up...

TLF - sign me up for that bumper sticker!

Good night all.

Posted by: Kim | January 25, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, friends. TBG, your weekend does sound like fun. Make sure you wrap up and stay warm.

Mudge, I hope your'e back where you need to be as far as the blood supply goes. And not feeling none the worse from the experience.

Slyness, it is cold here. I think it is kind of like the mountains where you are,just too cold.

Read Eugene Robinson this morning, and his take on John Edwards. He states that Edwards never looks like he tired or beat, but always flashing that bright smile and very upbeat. His op-ed piece also leans towards an alliance between Clinton and Edwards, basically leaving Obama out. But somehow that does not surprise me. He states that Edwards seems to be playing the grown-up out of three candidates. Edwards wants folks to remember there are three candidates running. We will see if perseverance wins the day?

Nightime is bad, just can't sleep not for long periods. I talked to my dad yesterday, he's doing okay. We've had a death in the family. My dad's first cousin.

I totally forgot the Center and the after-school program yesterday. Just felt so bad, could not go,and did not have transportation.

I believe the weather folks are saying that much of the country is suffering from extreme cold. Take care,folks, and please check on the elderly and the homeless.


Yesterday when I finished in the emergency room, I stood outside the hospital hoping I would see someone I knew, and could get a ride home. It was so cold outside. And a lady pulled up in a van, she was bringing a young woman to work, and I asked her for a ride. She would not do it. I had called my sister, but could not get up with her. And did not want to call my dad because he really does not need to be driving. But while standing out there waiting I thought about that person that perhaps did not have anyone to call or did not have a home to go to. And I thought about how cold and uncaring we are to one another. I have taken people home from that same hospital, in fact, just last week I took a lady home. Oh, if we could just love one another and not be afraid. I realize fear is the kicker that keeps us from doing good work so much of the time. I finally called one of my church members and she came and picked me up. I thought to myself, if I had a van, I would take people home, especially in cold weather so they would not have to stand outside in the cold and worry about getting home.

I guess I'm just a silly old woman that wants to save the world. I've seen a hospital here release a young child and the baby and the mother standing outside in freezing conditions, and the baby had no shoes or coat on. I went back in that hospital talking loud, and asked them didn't they have a blanket for the baby. Poor mother had the baby wrapped up in a hand towel.

Oh, people we need to do better, and I include myself in the people and the better.

So much of the time, we get an opportunity to see what others live like and how it is with them, if we just take the time, be still, and listen. God speaks to us through our brothers and sisters in this world. We're busy people, and sometimes miss the message or if we get it, we ignore it.

Prayers work.

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 25, 2008 3:40 AM | Report abuse

Good morning Cassandra. Good morning Martooni, Good morning all. Good to have Mudge back and interesting discussions last night.

Posted by: daiwanlan | January 25, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Hey Cassandra!! Glad to see you're back, and we do need to do better. If I may paraphrase Paul McCartney...

"Some people want
to fill the world
with silly old women who want to save the world
And what's wrong with that
I'd like to know"

*off-in-search-of-breakfast-onna-TGIF Grover waves*

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 25, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, take care, for all sorts of reasons but this one too: that caregivers need to be healthy, rested, warm, and relaxed, to keep up the good work.

Back to the old routine today: orienting new faculty today, with classes underway on Monday. Off by bike, which is chilly but thrilly at once.

January is nearly over, but the sweetheart month of February is nearly upon us. Seed catalogs continue to arrive and with them, a preview of spring.

Daiwainian, rainforest, thanks for the overnight vigil. To bed and good dreams.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 25, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

TGIF, everybody! It's a brisk 7 degrees F here in the mountains this morning. I think we'll stay in till the morning rush is over, so everybody else will clear the ice off the roads. (Actually, local authorities do a decent job of keeping the roads clear. They have had plenty of experience.)

Cassandra, I hope you're feeling much better this morning.

S'nuke, I saw you were quoted in the story yesterday about the impact of the drought on nuclear power plants. Good work! I am reminded of the time in the late seventies when a coal miners' strike severely impacted the amount of coal available to generate power, and people were urged to conserve electricity, in the dead of winter. I'm glad those days are past. But I fervently hope we get enough rain this spring.

Hey Mudge, hope the red blood cell count is up this morning. bc, can you fax a fix for Cassandra's car ASAP? Martooni, keep warm in the shop. TBG, have a fun and safe trip to the Big Apple. Frosti, how cold is it in your neck of the woods?

Posted by: Slyness | January 25, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I really liked those two NYT endorsement editorials - including the clear support for the "Chill Bill" strategy.

Lovely words Cassandra. I think that the most powerful tool most of us have to change the world is simple human kindness.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 25, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Brand new kit! And it's not about politics!

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