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[Romney at Charleston harbor.]

[Cross-posted from The Trail

CHARLESTON, S.C., 3:35 p.m. -- Alfred Pinckney waits in the cold by the old jail on the harbor. The jail is now an office building, but it's still on a spit of land scraped by a harsh wind, and a hundred or so citizens are trying to disappear into their clothes as they scan the horizon for some sign of the MittMobile. Pinckney, a financial planner who says he's 60-something, has deep roots here as one of the many Pinckneys of South Carolina, folks who count two signers of the Declaration of Independence among their kin.

"Conservatives haven't voted yet," he says.

Real conservatives, he means. Not the mushy-squishy-gooey conservatives you find up north. In South Carolina there are a lot of folks, such as Pinckney, who find it hard to forgive John McCain for his various apostasies as a Republican. "McCain-Feingold. Need I say more?" says Pinckney.

He sees a chasm between the country's two major political parties.

"The Democrat-Republican divide is huge. It's a cultural war. The Northeast is on an island from the rest of the country."

South Carolina is now its own island of sorts, the most important piece of turf in American politics for at least three more days, after which it will likely be slotted as a red state and completely ignored in the general election campaign.

Romney has for the most part been an odd man out here in a contest that has centered on John McCain, Mike Huckabee and Fred Thompson (who has finally found a state that suits him). But Romney's on fire, at least to the extent that such a cool customer ever heats up. If Michigan gives him a bump here, he can pick up some delegates - and he's quite frank about being a delegate-hog, someone who only secondarily cares if he comes in first in any given primary. How often do you hear a presidential candidate say he is trying to "rack up the delegates I need to win the nomination"? He should get a new nickname: "Rack 'em Romney."

His approach, downplaying South Carolina, may be pragmatic given that he says a "strong" fourth place would be a good finish here. And perhaps he sounds petulant when he says, "Most people keep forgetting Wyoming" (Governor, that's because no one else campaigned there, and the entire state has less than half the population of Fairfax County). But Romney still gives the overall impression of being on a roll, showing no sign of fatigue, and fairly bouncing along as he shakes hands, meets with reporters, and, here on the harbor in Charleston, gives a mercifully brief stump speech to his shivering supporters.

"This is the most animated I've seen him. The adrenaline is working now," says Tommy Hartnett, a former congressman who has come to the harbor to clap for Romney.

Mark Taylor, 47, a Charleston businessman, says he's likes the business experience of the former governor: "He's the Ross Perot of '92 without all the weirdness."

McCain, however, has had a surge here since New Hampshire, several voters tell me.

"Because McCain says it the way it is," says Tom Torpey, 63, a retiree in Sun City. "He's a man's man."

"I'm picking McCain, but I don't think it's over. I've lost plenty of bets," says sandwich shop owner Danny Tighe.

Ross Glatzer, 61, a software executive, is going for Romney: "He really comes off as the CEO of this country, not just the president of this country..

Eileen Heagy say she just wants someone fierce: "I want tough people who are going to protect us, not liberals who are going to kowtow."

The terrorists want the liberals to win, she says.

"The liberals are going to continue to be nice. We don't need a nice president. We need a tough guy."

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[A cemetery in Charleston. Photos by J.A.]

By Joel Achenbach  |  January 17, 2008; 6:45 AM ET
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oh my goodness

Posted by: College Parkian | January 17, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, everybody. Cassandra, stay warm! As Jumper said, freezing rain on top of snow today. I think I'll skip the walk.

I called my brother (he lives in Greenville County, SC) last night, but didn't think to ask who he's going to vote for. That's probably good; he crossed over to the dark side some time ago and it's best we don't discuss politics. He did send me a website claiming Hillary would take away all our property rights and I had to chastise him for poor analysis.

Posted by: Slyness | January 17, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Romney and a cemetery. Maybe someone at The Trail will complain about the association.

The Pinckneys also have a small tree in their family tree, named Pinckneya bracteata. Quite beautiful and not especially common, but does grow wild in northern Florida.

Another day of science here in Panama. The University of Panama looks like a big investment for a small country where the rising price of rice is big news.

One of yesterday´s presentations was on the great cycad disaster in Guam. A scale insect from somewhere else invaded and has killed essentially all of the island`s beautiful cycads (of neurological disease fame). And an imported butterfly helped with the calamity. The military, bless them, helped with efforts to try to aid the cycads.

And on the side, Florida coonties make nice garden plants in the Philipines.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | January 17, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Finally - a theme that will surely resonate with the undecided voters: "Ross Perot without the weirdness."

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 17, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

It just struck me that Romney is very good-looking, in the same way that Ronald Reagan's hair was youthful.

Without an occasional well-placed expletive, he has no chance of making a tough and feisty "rack 'em up" persona stick, even in quiet places.

I think he should play to his strengths. Start small. Completely solidify his base among fans of the television programme "My Three Sons". Then, 1960s game shows.

Posted by: rikken | January 17, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

I think you are seeing another example of that underlying theme of the Republicans : "True Conservatism." While they might disagree as to what that is, they can all claim that it isn't what we have had with Bush. This gives undecided voters an out - they can oppose Bush while still not voting for a Democrat. And I suspect this is going to play much better with lots of people than the Democrats would like.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 17, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what's scarier--the thought of the President as CEO of the country or people who believe that's what we need.

(1) Where do the downsized people go?
(2) Accountable to boards instead of stockholders
(3) Golden parachutes no matter how good a job they do

Oh wait . . .

Posted by: dbG | January 17, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Love that cemetery picture. As a former professional in the field (I am quite proud of this fact) I find old cemeteries both fascinating and depressing.

Fascinating because you can trace the record of families long gone; Depressing because many of the lives so recorded are shockingly short.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 17, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

The long reach of the voice of Lou Dobbs:

Realizing they were about to thrust the city smack into the middle of the national immigration debate, San Antonio leaders are now balking at the idea of opening a center for day laborers.

Resurrected in the fall as a full-fledged project after more than two decades of inaction, the City Council was poised this month to consider a staff proposal to create a facility where workers, mostly undocumented immigrants from Mexico and Central America, could gather and be hired.

After twice tabling the issue, a presentation scheduled for Tuesday was scrapped indefinitely by council members who said the proposal needed more work and that other large-scale projects such as the River Walk expansion or Main Plaza renovation [well under way, mind you] were more pressing priorities.

[From this point on, the story online and the story in print diverge greatly. The third and fourth grafs as printed in our dead-tree edition this morning read:]

But the underlying factor was that they simply did not want to invite public flogging by popular commentators such as Lou Dobbs or Bill O'Reilly.

"I'd rather get this done instead of getting into a huge debate here on immigration," said Mayor Phil Hardberger, adding, "it's not that much of a leap to see it taking over. We wouldn't be able to get anything done if we continued down that road."

Why are so many Boodlers under the weather? Get well, mostly, Ivansmom and Ivan, and Cassandra. Cassandra, what subject did you discuss on the radio yesterday? mostly, please be aware that the recent film "No Country for Old Men" is very suspenseful and violent. The actor who plays the sheriff is our mayor's former son-in-law, as I've mentioned a number of times. Don't say that you weren't warned about scenes that have the potential to bother some folks.

Posted by: Loomis | January 17, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Not that Joel would be subtle or anything, but I see the cemetary shot as having been placed in close juxtaposition with the "tough guy" comment...

*better-caffeinated Grover waves*


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 17, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

"Rack'em Romney," there we go with another sports metaphor, this time for pool.

I'm not sure what to make of Romney's threat to rack the delegates he needs for the GOP presidential nomination (seems like a curiously painful way to *get* delegates to me), but if I were one of those delegates, I'd keep a close eye on Mitt's feet and be ready to go into a protective clutch.

Joel, you've been paiting an interesting picture of the politically active southern GOP voter base over the past few days. You may want to ask some of these folks if they'd vote for Mel Gibson were he running for president, I wonder what the response would be? (yes, I know that he was born an Aussie and is therfore not able to be President under current law, as is Ahnold)


Posted by: bc | January 17, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

dr, check your TV listings, in the DC area WETA is showing Persuasion again tonight at 9PM.

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Joel writes: He sees a chasm between the country's two major political parties.

"The Democrat-Republican divide is huge. It's a cultural war. The Northeast is on an island from the rest of the country."

Gee, I didn't know the Northeast was insular? Must be one heck of an island.

Ummm, maybe it was better I didn't travel to South Carolina, the shrimp and grits, peanut-encrusted catfish, and Low Country fare notwithstanding.

Joel continues: South Carolina is now its own island of sorts, the most important piece of turf in American politics for at least three more days, after which it will likely be slotted as a red state and completely ignored in the general election campaign. (You tell 'em, Joel!)

I'm looking forward to the results for both parties from delegate-drenched sunny California. I hope these South Carolinians don't think California is an island, too?

Posted by: Loomis | January 17, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

This week's theme: miscellaneous words.

jobbernowl (JOB-uh-nowl) noun

A blockhead.

[From French jobard (stupid, gullible), from Old French jobe (stupid) +
noll (top or crown of the head).]

-Anu Garg (words at

"That he pays not the least regard to the requirements of convention
marks him out as either a superior soul or a right down jobbernowl."
Soseki Natsume; I Am a Cat; Tuttle Publishing; 2002.

Now, jabberYOWL, is a distinct style of yodeling.

Vocab test on Friday; study now.
Don't forget omni's current events/living history notes. Pop quiz at any moment. RESPECT THE OMNI.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 17, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Everybody knows that California is the land of swimmin' pools and movie stars.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 17, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for bringing the tears to my eyes RDP...

In your head, in your head,
Zombie, zombie, zombie,

...More later...

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Omni left notes for today's quiz on the we look or take the test bare?

Posted by: College Parkian | January 17, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

For RD Padouk:

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

For bc:

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Omni. I love the Cranberries. And I remember that WHFS concert that bc mentioned before - the one that got shut down. Seems so long ago now.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 17, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Loomis, people from South Carolina don't consider California as part of the US.

Posted by: Slyness | January 17, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm. How many guns make the difference between "Real Conservatism" and "Extreme Conservatism?"

I'm also tempted to make a comment about Conservative Survivalists and their armories, but that would be imprudent. Plus, I wouldn't want to get well-armed, well-trained folks upset with me.

Here's another question I'd like Joel to discuss with the GOP voters he's talking to: if a GOP candidate suggested that were he elected President, he'd withdraw the US from the UN, would that affect your vote for or against him? Why?


Posted by: bc | January 17, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I just love Romney's argument that the country needs a conservative Republican with gubernatorial experience and a strong CEO/business outlook, because the last one of those we had in office did so well. Moron.

And Loomis, Slyness is right. You don't wanna know what South Carolinians *really* think about California.

You guys like the Cranberries? That's the group with that girl screeching off-key and flat, "My father...," right? Worst song ever. Not even debatable. Worse than Patti Smith. Ugh.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

We're cavitating, captain.

Omni, Thanks for the heads up. I have PBS out of Spokane. I'll check.

Posted by: dr | January 17, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Actually bc, Mel Gibson was born in Connecticut. His father moved the family to Australia because of Vietnam.

Posted by: dr | January 17, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Mel Gibson was born in Peekskill, N.Y. on January 3, 1956.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 17, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I like cran-blueberries, myself...


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 17, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

RD, were you there, too?

Oy, a lot of people were...


Posted by: bc | January 17, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Signers of the Declaration of Independence by state (I'm standing up for nelson here, too):

South Carolina:

Edward Rutledge
Thonas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton
Thomas Heywood, Jr.

Eliza Lucas Pinckney, probably the first important agriculturalist of the United States, was born in Antigua in the West Indies in 1722. She attended a finishing school in England where French, music and other traditionally feminine subjects were stressed, but Eliza's favorite subject was botany. When she was still quite young, her family moved to a farming area near Charleston, South Carolina, where her mother died soon after. By age sixteen, Eliza was left to take care of her siblings and run three plantations when her father, a British military officer, had to return to the Caribbean.
She realized that the growing textile industry was creating world markets for new dyes, so starting in 1739, she began cultivating and creating improved strains of the indigo plant from which a blue dye can be obtained. In 1745-1746, only about 5,000 pounds of indigo were exported from the Charleston area, but due to Eliza Pinckney's successes, that volume grew to 130,000 pounds within two years. Indigo became second only to rice as cash crop, since cotton did not gain importance until later. Eliza also experimented with other crops. She planted a large fig orchard, with the intention of drying figs for export and experimented with flax, hemp and silk.

At age twenty-two she married Charles Pinckney, a politician who was supportive of her efforts but traveled frequently, so she continued to be in charge of the household and the plantations. ...

Eliza Pinckney died in 1793. She was so well regarded by her contemporaries, that President George Washington served as one of the pallbearers at her funeral. Her headstone in St. Peter's Churchyard in Philadelphia reads "Eliza Lucas Pinckney, 1722-1793, lies buried in unmarked grave. Mother of Two S.C. signers of Declaration of Independence." Actually, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney and his cousin Charles Pinckney signed the U.S. Constitution and neither signed the Declaration of Independence. The Journal and Letters of Eliza Lucas was published in 1850.

Posted by: Loomis | January 17, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

*detecting a rift in the Boodleverse*

This Kit is not appearing on the main Achenblog page...

Doo de doo doo
Doo de doo doo...


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 17, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Oh, there it is... *whew*


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 17, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

more BDays:

1980 - Zooey Deschanel, American actress
1980 - Maksim Chmerkovskiy, Ukrainian ballroom dancer
1957 - Steve Harvey, American actor, comedian and radio personality
1959 - Susanna Hoffs, American musician
1954 - Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., American lawyer and environmental activist
1948 - Mick Taylor, British musician (The Rolling Stones)
1939 - Maury Povich, American talk show host
1942 - Muhammad Ali, American boxer
1931 - James Earl Jones, American actor
1931 - L. Douglas Wilder, 66th Governor of Virginia
1928 - Vidal Sassoon, English cosmetologist
1927 - Eartha Kitt, American actress and singer
1922 - Betty White, American actress
1706 - Benjamin Franklin American statesman

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I would recommend that Carolinians check out the state by state analysis of federal tax revenues vs federal spending put out by the Tax Foundation folks before they rag on California too much.

California gets back $.79 on the dollar. South Carolina receives $1.38 for every dollar they pay. So say something nice about California, guys, they're buyin' your school books and your roads and your bridges.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 17, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

For Scotty and Shriek,

Click on the rant for Rick Mercer, although the polar bear dip, filmed in the next town from me is good as well, as is the Navy clip.

Posted by: dmd | January 17, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

More QuizNotes (not to be confused with Quiznos):

1377 - Pope Gregory XI moves the Papacy back to Rome from Avignon.

1595 - Henry IV of France declares war on Spain.

1605 - First publication of Don Quixote.

1781 - American Revolutionary War: Battle of Cowpens - Continental troops under Brigadier General Daniel Morgan defeat British forces under Lieutenant Colonel Banastre Tarleton at the battle in South Carolina.

1819 - Simón Bolívar proclaims the Republic of Colombia.

1893 - The Citizen's Committee of Public Safety, led by Lorrin A. Thurston overthrows the government of Queen Liliuokalani of the Kingdom of Hawaii.

1899 - The United States takes possession of Wake Island in the Pacific Ocean.

1904 - Anton Chekhov's The Cherry Orchard receives its premiere performance at the Moscow Art Theatre.

1929 - Popeye the Sailor Man, a cartoon character created by Elzie Crisler Segar, first appears in the Thimble Theatre comic strip.

1941 - Kuomintang forces under orders from Chiang Kai-Shek open fire at communist forces, resuming the Chinese Civil War after WWII.

1945 - Soviet forces capture the almost completely destroyed Polish city of Warsaw.

1945 - The Nazis begin the evacuation of the Auschwitz concentration camp as Soviet forces close in.

1945 - Swedish diplomat Raoul Wallenberg disappears in Hungary while in Soviet custody.

1946 - The UN Security Council holds its first session.

1949 - The Goldbergs, the first sitcom on American television, first airs.

1950 - The Great Brinks Robbery - 11 thieves steal more than $2 million from an armored car Company's offices in Boston, Massachusetts.

1956 - Allen Ginsberg writes his poem "America".

1961 - U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower delivers a televised farewell address to the nation three days before leaving office, in which he warns against the accumulation of power by the "military-industrial complex".

1966 - A B-52 bomber collides with a KC-135 Stratotanker over Spain, dropping four 70-kiloton hydrogen bombs near the town of Palomares and another one into the sea in the Palomares hydrogen bombs incident.

1973 - Ferdinand Marcos becomes "President for Life" of the Philippines.

1977 - Convicted murderer Gary Gilmore is executed by a firing squad in Utah, ending a ten-year moratorium on Capital punishment in the United States.

1982 - "Cold Sunday" in the United States sees temperatures fall to their lowest levels in over 100 years in numerous cities.

1985 - British Telecom announces the retirement of the United Kingdom's red telephone boxes.

1989 - Stockton massacre: Patrick Purdy opens fire with an assault rifle at the Cleveland Elementary School playground, killing five children and wounding 29 others and one teacher before taking his own life.

1991 - Gulf War: Operation Desert Storm begins early in the morning. Iraq fires 8 Scud missiles into Israel in an unsuccessful bid to provoke Israeli retaliation.

1994 - A magnitude 6.7 earthquake hits Northridge, California

1995 - A magnitude 7.3 earthquake (known as "the Great Hanshin earthquake") hits near Kobe, Japan, causing extensive property damage and killing 6,433 people.

1997 - A Delta 2 carrying a GPS2R satellite explodes 13 seconds after launch, dropping 250 tons of burning rocket remains around the launch pad.

1998 - Paula Jones accuses President Bill Clinton of sexual harassment.

2001 - President Bill Clinton posthumously raises Captain Meriwether Lewis' rank from Lieutenant to Captain.

2007 - Doomsday Clock is set to five minutes to midnight in response to N. Korea nuclear testing

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Good morning everyone.

I was chatting with a friend of mine who grew up in Michigan and recently moved to NC. We both agreed that we were surprised when we moved to the South by the number of folks who still refer to "Yankees" and that they don't say it with any degree of fondness at all. Sounds like that man Joel referred to might be one of those folks.

Dang, I can't stand George Will, but I have to admit that he can be very...pithy! He referred to the much ballyhooed comments by Robert Johnson about Obama and then said,

Johnson called Obama a "guy who says, 'I want to be a reasonable, likable Sidney Poitier in 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner.' " For the uninitiated, that is how you call someone an Uncle Tom in an age that has not read "Uncle Tom's Cabin."

Loomis - very interesting about Eliza Pinckney. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: Kim | January 17, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Good morning boodle! We have a mere 90 degree temp difference between the households Frostbitten today and Mr. F felt the need to call and see how I was doing. I laugh at -24F, but I also don't rush outside to enjoy it.

Glad I refreshed before posting. I was going to link to the Rick Mercer show too. I also like the bit about the Alberta's "one party rule."

Posted by: frostbitten | January 17, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Historian Joseph Ellis is much on my mind as I post this:

From the National Archives:

Art. V. By requiring a three-fourths majority of the states to ratify any amendment to the Constitution, this article ensured that the slaveholding states would have a perpetual veto over any constitutional changes.7

Besides specific clauses of the Constitution dealing with slavery, the structure of the entire document ensured against emancipation by the new federal government. Because the Constitution created a government of limited powers, Congress lacked the power to interfere in the domestic institutions of the states. Thus, during the ratification debates, only the most fearful southern antifederalists opposed the Constitution on the grounds that it threatened slavery. Most southerners, even those who opposed the Constitution for other reasons, agreed with Gen. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, who crowed to his state's house of representatives:

We have a security that the general government can never emancipate them, for no such authority is granted and it is admitted, on all hands, that the general government has no powers but what are expressly granted by the Constitution, and that all rights not expressed were reserved by the several states.8

The final Constitution provided enormous protections for the peculiar institution of the South at very little cost to that region. At the Virginia ratifying convention, Edmund Randolph denied that the Constitution posed any threat at all to slavery. He challenged opponents of the Constitution to show, "Where is the part that has a tendency to the abolition of slavery?" He answered his own question asserting, "Were it right here to mention what passed in [the Philadelphia] convention. . . I might tell you that the Southern States, even South Carolina herself, conceived this property to be secure" and that "there was not a member of the Virginia delegation who had the smallest suspicion of the abolition of slavery." South Carolinians, who had already ratified the Constitution, would have agreed with Randolph. In summing up the entire Constitution, Pinckney, who had been one of the ablest defenders of slavery at the convention, proudly told the South Carolina House of Representatives: "In short, considering all circumstances, we have made the best terms for the security of this species of property it was in our power to make. We would have made better if we could; but on the whole, I do not think them bad."

Posted by: laloomis | January 17, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Sky report: here on the banks of the bonny Anacostia, the sky is about as gray and forbidding as I've ver seen it, but still nary a snowflake. I don't know why, because the weather radar map is scary. We appear to be surrounded by the stuff. Yes --against all reason, as per usual -- Washington resists what the rest of the area gets. Metaphorically as well as meteorologically speaking.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse


When I say "folks", "you folks", whatever, I am always putting me as the first person, whatever I'm talking about, as the one talked about. In other words, anything that I accuse someone of, you can believe I'm just as guilty as the one I'm talking about. Maybe not in particulars, but when I say, I've come from a long way, you can believe that way was rough. And not pretty in the least. Yes, I've changed my life, but still mess up, we all do. I reach for that higher plane, but miss it sometimes.

If someone wanted to swift boat me, they would not lack material. I think that pretty much sums it up.

Loomis, I talked about violence among our young people here in the county, and their spiritual needs, as in attending Sunday school.

Still at the laundry room. Will check in later. The weather is nasty, but not snowing.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 17, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

BTW, no matter how many delegates he manages to accumulate, I hereby refuse and decline to comment upon the size and quality, much less the aesthetic appeal, of Romney's rack.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I deeply appreciate WaPo's continued coverage of veterans' issues. Today's article about congress looking into charity rip offs is a good one.
I cannot begin to tell you how many dollars are being wasted by people who really do want to do good things for soldiers and veterans. This includes some homegrown efforts to "send 1,000 care packages" or "write a million letters."

Frostdottir's bf left Tampa about an hour ago, en route to Iraq. Keep a good thought. He's due back to stay in May, or for 12 months depending on how rapidly deployments turn around by '09.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 17, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I guess one could argue that South Carolina Republicans are truly conservative (despite having taken over and subverted the party of Lincoln), as they hold fast to those trusted and true ways of living of 200 years ago. And nothing bad ever came from that, right?

Less satirically: I am appalled that these yahoos still exist, much less that they can be a majority in any state.

Posted by: ScienceTim | January 17, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Oh, wow. I stand corrected.
Thanks, guys.

I like the question even better, now.


Posted by: bc | January 17, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

It seems that the South Carolina Republicans furnish the most telling Republican critique of public education. If it can result in dimwitted, ill-educated, self-satisfied, pinheads like these, unable to critically read a newspaper for any real factual information, subject to idiot rumors ("Hillary will steal your Daddy's land and use it to build socialized hospitals for ... you know ... THOSE folks."), and in the thrall of the most ridiculous conception of how the Federal government works, then clearly it's not working. Of course, I suspect that these folks all attended private "Academies." Nevertheless, I'm sure it's the government's fault. They should try that argument.

Posted by: ScienceTim | January 17, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Joel, if you're staying in a hotel, make sure you wash the glasses before you drink from them. Do watch the YouTube ...

Posted by: rainforest | January 17, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

OMG - rainforest, someone had sent that to me a couple of weeks ago! Horrifying! I literally felt sick after watching it.

Thanks, Tim for your 10:15. Couldn't have said it better...some of these folks are really getting on my nerves.

Posted by: Kim | January 17, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

SCC "someone sent"

Posted by: Kim | January 17, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm certainly not a McCain fan (at least ideologically or politically), god knows, but what some of his GOP buddies are doing to him is nothing short of scurrilous. See for the most recent evidence. There are truly some sick, twisted people in the Republican Party. (I realize we've got our very own wack jobs and moonbeams on the left on the Dem side, too, but I don't think anything quite so demented as on the right. Or if we've got some, too, then not nearly as many.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

SciTim- you see so clearly. Here in our fair city as we try to close the racial divide no one wants to look at their own lives and say "I could have done better, and not made my living at the mercy of lumber demand and prices, and had to supplement my wages with hunting, gathering, and a large garden, if I'd had a better education." In northern MN it's even worse than in SC because for the most part the schools are pretty good, thus, not getting the education is often a matter of personal irresponsibility. No, it's much easier to say "they" get this, or that, at my expense and it's the government's fault. Particularly ironic when said in the food shelf line at "their" community center. I will bite off my tongue one day when someone says "I didn't go far in school and I'm doing ok," and then expect me to sign their income verification form so they can get heating assistance for the umpteenth winter in a row.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 17, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Mudge-It really irks me when people try to pull McCain down like that. I'd vote for any dem over him, but he's hands down the "crisis tested" patriot in a bunch of, of, well I don't know what the rep candidates are a bunch of, but it's not good.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 17, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I think you're right about the ratio of whackos in two parties, Mudge. I came across a piece by Joe Klein talking about a focus group of Republicans and I thought this was interesting, particularly the part about doing anything nice for the poor...

I think those types of Republicans really hate McCain because he's been willing to work with the Democrats, pure and simple. They prefer scorched earth politics.

Posted by: Kim | January 17, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, concerning the 1 million paid phone calls - who are they calling? Voters receive phone calls?

Posted by: dmd | January 17, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Big flakes here now, but appear to be melting upon impact.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

And furthermore, re: those calls, who would fall for that cr@p?

Posted by: Kim | January 17, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Of course, safe thoughts for frostdottir's bf... *salute*

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 17, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

It's pretty flaky here, 'Mudge...

And the snow's pretty, too!!!


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 17, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I hope Joel and all the candy-dates have indoor venues today, it is raining cats and dogs here.

"Come Mister tally mon[man], tally me banana."

Enjoyed Cassandra's air time yesterday. She is a "tell it like it is" kind of gal. Cassandra, don't ever let up.

According to the lead-in to Cassandra's broadcast and comments made during, this will be a regular at 11AM on Wednesdays, with various speakers featured.

K-guy: If you were using anything other than IE7 and Windows Media Player 11, you are probably out of luck getting Cassandra's broadcast. Alternative is a Media Player 11 compatible plug-in for your browser but that is not a sure thing. The site could be more helpful in spelling out the requirements.

Native Californian in Charleston, SC. Yes, it is that bad.

Posted by: DLD | January 17, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Frosti, my Christmas card addressed to an American soldier at Walter Reed was returned. *sigh*

Three and a half years after my mother's death, I'm still getting some of those veterans solicitations. I keep a paper bag close at hand to throw them all into. When it's full, about 6 to 8 weeks at a time, I put it in the trash.

Posted by: Slyness | January 17, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

This kit reminds me of the folk who put decoy deer around their kid's playspace during hunting season.

Posted by: Boko999 | January 17, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Yes, dmd, they were calling voters and/or households. That's what political phone banks do. Some are automated, some are not. Some are targeted (i.e. to Republicans or whatever groyup they want), other kinds are random. Don't know which this was. But generally yes, to voters.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Except when she isn't, because her views are tainted.

Posted by: Yoki | January 17, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

It's been snowing in Bethesda for about an hour, and it's only sticking to the grass and some of the brick sidewalks but not all.

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

i think i saw that cemetery when i was in charleston. fun locale for a family reunion in july. looking forward to arkansas in late june this year. i have no family members who permanently reside in either of these states i might add. go figure.

while i enjoy the republican chaos, i also scratch my head and wonder how it's not obvious to them that mccain is their most electable candidate. ok, there is the age factor, but romney and huckabee are not going to pull in independents.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | January 17, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

All together now, gang, let's all sing:

"I'mmmmmm dreaming of a white Martin Luther King Jr. Federal Holiday on Monday,

Just like the ones I used to know..."

I'm a big fan of King, of course, but much more than just having the day off, the thing I love most about the MLK federal holiday is watching certain people (many of whom are under discussion here re: South Carolina) go absolutely apes--t crazy over the holdiay, muttering and cursing and babbling the worst crap. And all the time I'm silently thinking to myself, OK, buddy keep it up, keep it up, any moment now that vein in your brain is gonna burst... and when it does, I'm not calling 911 for ya.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Wow, those phone calls must be really annoying, I have a hard enough time with the people that come to my door.

The only thing I can think of would that would be more annoying is if the messages were pre-recorded.

I don't recall if we do that up here, I may have blocked it from my memory.

Posted by: dmd | January 17, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Hiya DLD!! *waving* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 17, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Eileen Heagy say she just wants someone fierce: "I want tough people who are going to protect us, not liberals who are going to kowtow."

The terrorists want the liberals to win, she says.

"The liberals are going to continue to be nice. We don't need a nice president. We need a tough guy."

Is this woman the product of the North Carolina public education system, or did she go to a private school?

Either way, she got left behind.

Posted by: CowTown | January 17, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

We got *tons* of those pre-recorded calls for the Virginia Senate race. Funny thing is, we got calls from both the Republican and Democratic candidates.

I knew the Repub faithful would resume their attacks on McCain in SC. And now it seems they have a rebuttal to his rebuttal prepared: "None of us can understand their obsession with reliving the 2000 campaign," Tompkins said. "They need to let the ghosts and goblins go."

And Kim, I think you're right. His willingness to work with the other party absolutely infuriates them.

Posted by: Raysmom | January 17, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

One of the advantages of living in DC is no phone calls or door knocks...

On the other hand, just stick a fork in me cause I'm done: 10/10


Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

As predicted, although not precisely, your snow (DC) has coincided with the beginning of my tomato harvest. The Heatwave variety won the race to first fruit ripened--the Better Boy is close behind, and we have some of the Roma variety coming along pretty well, too. No eggplants or peppers yet, though.

I really want to thank the boodle gardeners, and Joel too, for finally moving me from wishing I had a garden to putting spade to soil and achieving actual cultivation this year.

When I was growing up, there was a nice lady at my church whom everyone called "Granny Ingraham." She was one of the sweetest people I've ever known and she ran the church nursery for many years. When she came to the end of her life, she told people, "I just want to put in my garden one more year, and then I can go." And she did just that, planted her garden and died before it grew. I aspire to have my life have that kind of rhythm, in harmony with the Earth. Planting a garden every year is an important part of it.

Posted by: kbertocci | January 17, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

And a thing about that technology quiz from yesterday: Knowing what I know about Orin Hatch, I should have gotten #9 correct. Oh well, winsome/losesome.

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm not into hero worship, but I believe that Martin Luther King was the greatest American of my almost 60 years. He wasn't wealthy. He never ran for elective office. Although he became famous, he didn't cash in on his fame. All he did was compel America to look in the mirror and face up to the reality of racial injustice, then appeal to the best instincts of our people to make a start at righting historical wrongs and living up to our ideals. Sure he had help from others- the Kennedys, LBJ, Malcolm X- but nobody else had his ability to inspire people to hope for the best instead of fear the worst. It's only right that we honor such a man.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 17, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, I'm not sure I understand your answer, but I believe your intentions are good. You're trying to highlight your perceptions that African-Americans are treated differently by law enforcement and the legal system than folks of other ethnic backgrounds. I've seen evidence of this as well, and addressed it with the people involved when I had the opportunity.

For the record, I don't think OJ Simpson should be hanged.

It could very well be that I'm oversensitive about feeling like I'm being stereotyped or lumped into a group that has some sort of an agenda to systematically move against people who may be different from from me in one characteristic or another, be it skin color or ethnic background where they live or financial situation or sexual preference or gender or whatever.

If I'm out of line here, I apologize, Cassandra.

Joel's recent kits regarding the conservative south are certainly making all of us think about social and political differences between organizations and communities in those areas. I think these topics are worthy of discussion, but I don't know what individuals or groups of people think regarding a given topic or issue without seeing and hearing exactly what they have to say and observing their actions.

Oy, sorry for the length, folks.


Posted by: bc | January 17, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse,1,6506831.story

DILLON, S.C. - When it comes to fixing South Carolina's "Corridor of Shame," a counties-long strip of underfunded, underperforming and mostly black schools, all three Democratic front-runners possess some life experience that could qualify them as the region's much-needed savior. ...

No matter who eventually wins the White House, though -- Democrat or Republican -- the victor will have his or her work cut out. Consider, for example, Dillon's J.V. Martin Junior High School, where if the students want a real-life history lesson, they need look no further than their old crumbling campus, a cluster of leaky, drafty buildings -- the first built in 1896 [1896!].

The archaic infrastructure is not the only thing in need of repair here: A third of Martin's 560 middle schoolers read at three or more grades below level. About 10 percent of those 7th and 8th graders cannot identify all the letters of the alphabet. ...

Downstairs neighbor Lavesia Crawford, 14, is also in the 8th grade at Martin and loves basketball as well, although her mother, Jovonna, recently pulled her off the team because she didn't like her daughter walking home from practice at night.

Jovonna, 35, who like several women in the area works at the nearby Perdue plant trimming chicken fat and pulling guts for $8.95 an hour, said the candidate's ethnicity and appeals on race don't matter to her -- she just wants the president who can best help her two daughters succeed in school.

"Their education is most important," she said. "I would love nothing more than a safe environment for them to learn in."

Posted by: Loomis | January 17, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

omni, I'm worried about the both of us. I got 7/10 -- and I actually KNEW five of them.

I'm so embarrassed.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I read some of the comments to that Joe Klein blog post that Kim linked. Man, those people are crazy. What the heck are they talking about? They're going absolutely nuts, posting over and over about a blog item that isn't there (not that we ever do that here). It seems that some of them think that by reporting on a bunch of Republican lunatics, he is supporting their cause. Um, did they miss the commentary parts noting things like "appalling" and "I hope they lose?"

Posted by: ScienceTim | January 17, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Those of you with gummint or military experience will appreciate the following e-mail a friend of mione just received from another friend, in reply to some bantering:

"Frank, if you want to make inter-agency smart-ass comments, you have to fill out a form SAA-531, with signature approval from your Level 1 and MOA between the EPA and NAVAIR. Turn-around time on the form is 60-90 days, but the MOA will have to be staffed up via the Executive Leadership Board at their quarterly VTC with Satan. You have to fill out a form AFU-717 to get on their agenda, with signature from your Level 1.
Your Level 1 does not have signature authority, but the MOA will address this."

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Mmmmmmmmm, big fat, furry flakes coming down from the gloomy gray sky (or, um, is that "grey"?). Gorgeous. I even took pictures to send to my friends in Africa.

Over and out (too much work to do on a computer which seems to be on its last legs (good thing I'm getting a newer one soon)).

Toodles, boodle.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | January 17, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Back at ya Scottynuke. Doing *HRH-style waves*

Mudge, that's it. If they mention it at all it is "Lee-Jackson-King" day here. Many of them *still* seem to be upset about that Northern aggression thing. I am a hybrid my self, close, strong, southern roots (Alabama) on one side, and close, strong new england roots (Massachusetts) on the other. Makes for great family reunions! No guns allowed!

LA-Lurker: There are literally dozens of these old, small (500-700 sq. ft.), church or family plots in downtown, sandwiched between churches and other buildings. They all look very much alike but are fun to visit. Churches are in abundance here, giving the city its nickname, "Holy City." Have often wondered if anyone has indexed and cataloged them all.

Posted by: DLD | January 17, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

'Mudge, I do indeed appreciate that...

And I'm worried about all three of us -- 7/10 on the quiz too.

*rechecking my clothes collection*


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 17, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

7/10 on the quiz and I guessed on everything but Jackie O. To say that this is outside my area of expertise is putting it mildly. I kept looking for Meryl Streep as one of the choices.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 17, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

k-guy, loved your 11:25. Although I am not American MLK has been a big role model for me.

SciTim I read some of those comments as well and was very confused. Of course when I read the post I smiled thinking that the people where dropping there support when Huckabee mentioned God because he was bringing religion into politics not because he was soft on immigration.

I believe if I lived in S. Carolina I would probably be jailed as a commie.

Posted by: dmd | January 17, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Romney's got one big problem... pleated pants. 'nuff said.

But is that a Romney son in the left of the picture with the blue-striped shirt? Wooey! Hot mama! He's a nice-looking guy.

I don't understand the contempt for McCain-Feingold. I heard that this morning, too, on the radio.

Too much work today. Just got in after leaving during the snowstorm. Since I don't have a window in my cave, I don't know what it's doing out there now, but an hour ago it was beautiful and sticking.

Please be careful out there.

And remember... if your car has daytime running lights and the regular headlights haven't come on automatically, YOU DON'T HAVE TAIL LIGHTS. Turn on your headlights folks, so the people behind you can see you before they're on top of you!

Posted by: TBG | January 17, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Been out sick wit' a code in m' nose. snif, snurf. Back now, ready to sneaze and cough all over everybody.

Kudos for what K-guy said at 11:18.

Thanks to SciTim for his alert about the MESSENGER space craft. I used that story, and the Channel 5 news item about it as the main topic for my Cub Scout Pack meeting last night. Also handed out slips of paper with the names of just the current space satelite projects on them. Good grief, there's lots and lots of stuff in outer space. Where's the orbiting street sweeper when you need it? We also did the excersize that shows the relative size of the solar system by pacing off the distance from the sun. Since I have a small scout pack, I had just enough boys to stand in for each planet. It amazed us all to see the vastness of space brought to scale like that. Kool.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | January 17, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

*seconding TBG's snowtime driving tips*


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 17, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I suspect that one's outlook on life is heavily driven by the kind of reinforcement one gets from like-minded individuals. And one need look no further than the internet (including, at times, this very boodle) for confirmation.

That is, if everyone you know holds a similar opinion, it is very easy to fool yourself that this opinion is not only correct, but that it is also common.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 17, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

TBG I was going to comment on that particular gentleman as well. Refreshing the page has never been this much fun before.

Winter driving tip, here if it is snowing very hard and visibility is poor people often will turn on their emergency lights. The flashing lights make it much easier to see cars as you approach from behind.

Posted by: dmd | January 17, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Please, if you continue to mention MLK Day, recall that there is no Cesar Chavez Day, nor Elizabeth Cady Stanton Day!

Posted by: Loomis | January 17, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Got 8/10 on the quiz.

TBG, when I saw that pic of Romney, I noticed those pleated pants and harrumphed, too. Thought to myself, "Even this guy's casual clothes date from the Reagan Administration." [and what would you have said if he were wearing a turtleneck, ma'am?]

Tim, Kim - I should go check on that Klein blog *before* I eat lunch, shouldn't I?


Posted by: bc | January 17, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I, the Prince of Plaid, got 8/10 with a couple of lucky guesses.

Interesting couple of Crazy-Joels. I use to travel in small, remote place and found that those insular people usually think of themselves as the "real" deal. The deal could be being Canadian, Qubecers, Westerners, American, Conservative, whatever. D@mned those 7 millions folks in Toronto or 35 millions aliens in California we the few of Bummphoque in the smallest province/state of the country are the "real" people. It never failed to amuse me, but these people are dead serious about it.
On a mildly related matter one of the weirdest thing I find in the otherwise remarkable US governement system is the equal representation of each states in the Senate. Someone was making the calculation that 36 senators representing less than 20% of the electorate can effectively block the legislative process. Go Wyoming Go!
You think it was hot in 2007? You are right:

Posted by: shrieking fashion faux-pas | January 17, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I would argue Cesar Chavez should be honored on Labor Day. And since, I assert, MLK day is as about equality of all kinds it is an appropriate day to celebrate Elizabeth Cady Stanton as well.

Of course, if anyone wants to agitate for more Federal Holidays, why I'm certainly fer 'em.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 17, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I have a relative who votes Republican, and he is my laboratory beast I can observe to gain knowledge. I can of course tell him nothing; he seems to get his political knowledge from only his local newspapers (subscribes to two, the local and the midsize nearby city), Readers' Digest, and surreptitious listening to Limbaugh. He, although computer savvy, does not read politics on the web, candidate websites, or other online news. Claims lack of time. He is not religious, and used to subscribe to the Skeptical Inquirer.

Although not a rage junkie like so many, he is addicted to mild forms of annoyance and head-shaking; that sense of superiority provided by tsk-tsking Washington bureaucrats, Democrats, etc. We have all seen the assorted dumb email attachments that are passed around, usually by people with AOL, and usually full of easily-refutable junk one can invalidate with a couple of clicks at Snopes or urbanlegends. He is known to pass such on, occasionally. Not too often, thank goodness.

All this from a very smart guy otherwise, who passed his calculus courses and got a postgrad degree from a tough northern university. Quite the quandary.

Lots of this can be explained by the science-oriented education: he never learned anything about civics. He is vague on the different state constitutions differing allocations of power, probably is not familiar with the concept of unicameral vs. bicameral legislation, strong mayor vs weak mayor local systems, etc.

Also, he is weak on history, especially European history. William of Orange, Napolean III, Czar Nicholas, and Oliver Cromwell all fade into a blur in his mind.

So recently I asked him who he was backing. He stalled. I expressed surprise that he was not a solid McCain man. After all, I thought, a no-surprises, old Newt ally, stolid choice. Yet he grumbled. Grumbled about McCain! I did not pursue, because he started rambling about limited government. I listened, and said, well, your position indicates you should be a big Ron Paul supporter. "Who IS he?" he and his wife asked. I recited the standard bio, that Paul is an obstetrician, and served in Congress for years, and ran for President as a Libertarian years ago; and my relative expressed surprise that Paul had a reasonably long history in the House. He really did not know much at all.

Yet he will vote.

Posted by: Jumper | January 17, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

bc - Yep, if you're going to read the comments, before lunch would be the ticket. I read 2 and then moved on. I just couldn't get over the reaction to the torture issue.

TBG- made me laugh...I noticed him too. In my heyday we would call a guy like that a "stone cold fox" It makes me laugh just to type it!

10/10 on the quiz. My neighbor gives me all her old People magazines, that's all I can figure that helped me.

k-guy - very nice 11:25.

Can you tell that I'm doing my very best to avoid starting the first item on my "Winter
Organization List." That would be to take on the storage closet that, at this point, has a door that can only be opened 6 inches, to then stuff something in and shut quickly before there's an avalanche? Sigh.

Posted by: Kim | January 17, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

The thing that scared me most about that quiz was I knew the answer to 8 of them with certainty. #5 and #10 were lucky guesses.

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

In Canada we have an official "Persons Day" which commemorates the day women (attributable to the efforts of "The Alberta Five") were declared legal persons under the British North America Act, 1867 (equivalent to a constitution for Canada until the passage of the Canada Act, 1982 -- referred to as "patriation") by the British Privy Council, and were therefore eligible for enfranchisement (though that took a lot longer). October 18, 1929.

Sadly, it is not a statutory holiday.

Posted by: Yoki | January 17, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Most of the Republicans I know are that way because their relatives and friends are that way. Which means to repudiate their political beliefs would mean de-facto repudiation of their friends and family. This is a tall order.

Of course, it could be argued that the same thing is true about Democrats.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 17, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Yikes, with my memory I should have forgotten at least half of that if not two thirds. Twilight Zone strikes again

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Statute of the famous five on Parliament Hill.

I forgot 6/10 on the quiz.

Posted by: dmd | January 17, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I will have you know that I wear pleated pants. My pappy wore pleated pants, as did his pappy afore him. In fact, we have passed the same pair of pants down from well before The Reconstruction. Yes, they are a bit mangy, but we value tradition.

I belong to an exclusive club of pleated pants people who routinely get together and discuss how those who wear flat-front trousers are nothing but a bunch of, well, flat-front trouser wearers.

I am a proud dues paying member of the National Pleated Pants Association (NPPA) and am not gonna allow a bunch of snarky media elite-type girlie girls force me outa my pants.

At least not without buying me a few drinks first.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 17, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Famous Five it is. I should have remembered, since at least one of them was from Quebec.

Posted by: Yoki | January 17, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

3/10. I'm SO embareassed.
What are you wearing?

Posted by: Boko999 | January 17, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

k-guy and mudge, nice comments about MLK, and Mudge, I know you would call 911.


I probably worded my comment badly, but I think you get what I was trying to say. And no, I try real hard not to lump all people into the same mold because it does not fit. But for many African-Americans, myself included, it gets to looking like one thing. And that's the problem. We deal with so much in our lives, it just weighs us down. As you can imagine from the comments made in the kit, life in the Carolinas is "not finer" sometimes.

I hope I can march Monday with the kids and their parents from the Center. I have a ticket for the luncheon also. A lot of activities planned for Monday.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 17, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Luckily my family is split. My dad used to pontificate that he voted Democrat locally and Republican nationally. My mom echoed this but probably voted Democrat far more than she let on. So we all tolerate each other.

I see I have mentioned Ron Paul in my posts more than once. He is interesting, but not my candidate.

I've been experimenting with Pandora internet radio. Very interesting. It "learns" your musical preferences, and self-programs to your tastes. Offers more than one self-programmed customizeable genre. I set one on world music, and today have been experimenting with a very eclectic country mix, with Johnny Cash, Patsy Cline, Neil Young, Dylan, Poco, and Simon & Garfunkle thrown in to test its algorithms. It's working; I'm entranced by its mechanical disk jockey abilities. It's offered Marshall Tucker and Hank Williams the First without specifically being told to. Sweet.

Posted by: Jumper | January 17, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, Padouk and I are wearing pleated pants. For how long I don't know.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Women are persons? Next thing you know the Pope will tell us they have souls. Sheesh.

The view from the "Famous Five" is darn good too. Just behind it is the first (and only?) equestrian statue of ER II. Centennial the horsie is beautiful and Lizzie is, well, equestrian.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 17, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra, I can't dial 911. There's no "eleven" on my phone.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

TBG, I see that guy, and it looks like someone is holding on to him. That person probably agrees with your assessment of him too. I don't blame her one bit. Those Southern gals might try to break her arm all the while smiling and being oh, so, polite. The person holding on probably shouldn't turn her back.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 17, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

*checking for pleats*

Guilty! *raising hand*


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 17, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I too wear pleats.

*Hanging head in shame*

Posted by: CowTown | January 17, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Boko, no need to feel any embarassment. 3/10 is the score us guys are supposed to get.

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Really? You are all wearing pleats? Hmmm.

Posted by: Yoki | January 17, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

A brief drop-in. Got 7/10 on the quiz, and I think I guessed at most of them. Had those big, fluffy flakes here for a while, but now we seem to be back to more normal ones. Waiting for friend wife to get back in from the 'Burg. She called from Breezewood to say it was a bear driving the 'Pike until she ran out of the snow (temporarily) around Bedford. Looks from the Doppler radar that we're going to hit the high end of the accumulation estimates before (hopefully) the rain beats it down.

Posted by: ebtnut | January 17, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

5/10, holding my fully validated man-card high. Only knew 3 for sure and that mostly because my wife and daughter made me watch endless "Sex and the City" marathons. Two correct guesses out of 7 remaining questions probably places me within 1 Standard Deviation of being comfortably clueless, fashion wise. Yet, I can almost always spot a Vera Wang dress a mile away. Same with the paintings of Pollack and Vermeer. Just goes to prove that a college education can teach anyone just about anything.

RDP - regarding your 11:59: In your experience, is that common knowledge and the opinion of those in your acquaintance? :-)

Posted by: DLD | January 17, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and no pleats here!

Posted by: ebtnut | January 17, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I see Liz has canceled her chat. Clearly knowledge that there are so many men with pleated pants about has made her light-headed.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 17, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

DLD - point well taken! No, like most of my theories, I formulated this one well insulated from distracting external influences like reality.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 17, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I think there might have been a whole lot of standard deviation in that quiz, DLD.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Got about two inches here in Bethesda, which has now turned to rain.

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

10/10 on the quiz, which proves that my appearance is because I don't care about fashion, not that I don't know about it. Today's ensemble-green plaid flannel pants and a yellow lightweight fleece. I shall "dress" for tonight's open forum at city hall by changing into jeans and a long sleeve race T from the St. Pete Beach Classic circa 2006. It's important so I'll wear authentic Crocs instead of the knock offs.

Now back to creating a lively power point presentation on paved hiking/biking trails for said open forum. (lively and power point, an oxymoron, I know)

Posted by: frostbitten | January 17, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Why do I find the notion of knock-off Crocs hilarious?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Eileen Heagy say she just wants someone fierce: "I want tough people who are going to protect us, not liberals who are going to kowtow."

The terrorists want the liberals to win, she says.

"The liberals are going to continue to be nice. We don't need a nice president. We need a tough guy."


This is why Fox News continues to be the #1 cable news network. Too many stupid people are simply accepting the drivel being spoon fed to them from the imbeciles that run that channel. Grr.

Posted by: J | January 17, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Deviation; possibly. Standard; I'd like to think not, but it is the fashion world. Wife and daughter (them again!) were watching "Project RUNWAY" w/Heidi Klum the other day. The male contestants, to a man(?) just about burst into flame. I had to leave and go clean my guns.

Posted by: DLD | January 17, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I guess they don't know the difference between "acting" and "being."

Posted by: Jumper | January 17, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

was wrong about rain, just looks like that outside a window. is actually tiny raindrop sized ice drops. getting very dangerous out there. watch out for falling tree limbs.

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"Wife and daughter (them again!) were watching "Project RUNWAY" w/Heidi Klum the other day."

Dude, listen. If Heidi Klum comes over to your house to watch TV with spouse and spawn again, call me. I don't care what they're watching, I'm there.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 17, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't sure if I should post about the quiz because I had to guess on all of them except Manolo Blahniks(Blahhhhh)because everything about me is not into fashion. I got 8 out of 10.

Fashion is whatever ordinary garden variety people are not wearing. I would have said real people, but SD pretty much used that term up earlier.

My only hint of fashion is handknit socks and that is only fashion in some circles.

Posted by: dr | January 17, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

6/10 on the quiz, which is fine by me.

Right now I'm wearing jeans, but when I wear dress pants they have pleats.

Jumper, I like your Internet radio playlist a lot!

Posted by: pj | January 17, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

7/10 on the quiz, missed one I shouldn't have...that said, I have no fashion sense, never did, and have managed to have a pleasant, productive life in spite of that deficiency. It's hard to be fashionable when you're short and wide.

Posted by: Slyness | January 17, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

But, but, but *sputtering* Slyness, *I'm* short and wide but oh so fasionable! You *have* seen that photo of me in my housecoat, haven't you? bc, have you got that photo handy?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes being low to the ground and wide is the height of fashion-

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 17, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Funny! Okay, a couple of commas may have made that clearer. Also, if you knew that if Ms. Klum had come to the house I would not have just left the room, I'd be out'a there. Guess it's the accent, can't stand it. Klum, all yours, K-guy! Spouse and spawn, not so much.

Oh, and I just looked - pleats.

Posted by: DLD | January 17, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I should note I'm not a huge country music fan, but I know what's in the genre that I appreciate, and the website is amazing at offering me the good stuff.

Right now I'm playing a "soul music" program I created a few minutes ago, with Curtis Mayfield, Isaac Hayes, Billie Holliday, Aretha Franklin, with curve balls provided by Rickie Lee Jones and Stevie Wonder and Tupac. I think I need to tweak it, although it's also good.

Posted by: Jumper | January 17, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Fashion, shmasion. I'm lucky if my pants are zipped all the way up. Don't even ask me if I got pleats. What *are* pleats, anyway?

Didn't have the slightest clue about any of the questions on the quiz. Yet, I got 7/10 just by eeny, meeny, miney, and moe.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | January 17, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

My wife arrived safely back, and we had a quick lunch together. Looks like it is turning into a rain/sleet/snow mix here. I'm supposed to go to a civic association meeting tonight. I'm hoping they call and cancel.

Re: Pleats. Those of us of a certain age might remember a Sgt. Bilko show where he comes into some money (he thinks) and decides to get a tailor-made uniform. The CO comes in while the final fitting is going on and takes one look and says "Pleats!!?! Oh, no! Pleats!"

Posted by: ebtnut | January 17, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

It offered up the Jackson Five and has a button to click "Do not play this, it does not belong here!" which I just clicked. The fine tuning options are very good.

Posted by: Jumper | January 17, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, seems like you should add some Gram Parsons to your playlist. The author of a new biography about Parsons mentioned Poco at his talk (I think someone in the audience asked him about Poco). Hadn't thought about that group in years - saw them in 1970, opening for Traffic or the Grateful Dead (it's a blur). kbertocci found the idea of a diehard Poco fan pretty funny, as I remember. Richie Furay and Jim Messina were in the original group (for what it's worth, heh heh).

Loomis, thanks for the violence warning about NCFOM. That's why I have put off going to see it. One synopsis I read called it "harrowing", which made me delay going. But it's the Coen brothers - I'll just have to look away at times, I suspect.

Posted by: mostlylurking | January 17, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

LAS VEGAS (Reuters) - A federal judge on Thursday allowed Nevada's Democratic Party to conduct voting to choose a U.S. presidential nominee in casino hotels on the Las Vegas Strip, a decision likely to boost Sen. Barack Obama.

For the first time, Nevada Democrats planned to set up nine locations for Saturday's vote so casino shift workers -- who are largely represented by a union that endorsed Obama -- could express their preference for a Democratic Party candidate before the November presidential election.

A teachers' group filed a lawsuit saying the exception for the casino workers' vote was unfair, but Judge James Mahan of the U.S. District Court for Nevada disagreed and declined to issue a temporary injunction.

Posted by: Loomis | January 17, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I never listened to Poco much, but I know the position they occupy in "country rock" and wanted the program to understand the theme of my preference. It took it under consideration, used it somehow to calculate my tastes, yet never actually played Poco. Which, actually, is okay.

Posted by: Jumper | January 17, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Back to the "country" playlist. It's Willie doing "Crazy."

Posted by: Jumper | January 17, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

You are 2/2 in good playlists, Jumper.

I liked Poco's first few records. I saw them (post-Jim Messina) in the mid-70s at a free concert in the same place where bc saw the aborted Cranberries show. There were multiple people around us smoking substances that may not have been totally legal. I remember leaving that show with quite a headache.

Poco played here sometime last year I think it was. I didn't attend that one.

Posted by: pj | January 17, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Frosti, I thought of you when I read this. Would you care to comment?

Posted by: Slyness | January 17, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

pj!!! *LTNS waves*


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 17, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I got a hot rod Ford and a two dollar bill
and I know a spot right over the hill
There's soda pop and the dancin's free
so if you wanna have fun come along with me

Posted by: Jumper | January 17, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Scotty! It's nice to see everyone here, too.

Posted by: pj | January 17, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Issue of Democratic caucus sites rather messy out in Nevada:

THE NEVADA CAUCUS: State, local teachers at odds
Clark County unit not a plaintiff in lawsuit

Format creates state of confusion
Both parties toiling to answer questions

Assuming a pending lawsuit to block the operation of the at-large caucus locations fails, who is and isn't eligible to participate in caucuses at Bellagio, Wynn Las Vegas, Flamingo Las Vegas, Luxor, Caesars Palace, Rio, New York-New York, The Mirage and Paris Las Vegas? [Apparently Reno is not involved?]

"Any shift worker, union or non-union, who works within 21/2 miles of each property" can participate, said Kirsten Searer, deputy executive director for the Nevada Democratic Party.

The workers don't have to be employed at one of the hotel-casinos.

"You can be working at the McDonald's, the gas station, the movie theater, anywhere within 2 1/2 miles," Searer said.

Anyone who chooses to vote at the at-large sites must sign a registration form attesting, under penalty of law, that he or she is a shift worker within 2 1/2 miles of the location and is either scheduled to work during or within one hour of the caucus, Searer said. [Verification?]

How the Las Vegas Review-Journal is describing the breaking news:

U.S. District Judge James Mahan has ruled against the attempt by the teachers union to block at-large precincts on the Strip. Mahan said he did not want to set a precedent that could affect other caucuses across the country and that the Democratic Party had the right to set its own rules.

Posted by: Loomis | January 17, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Howdy. I am back at work, better than yesterday but still not quite feeling right.

I suppose "rack 'em" is a sports metaphor, but I thought of rack of lamb, "rack" as anatomical slang, and racking as loading bullets into a gun - specifically thought of Romney racking his delegate shells into his shotgun. After all, wasn't he a lifelong hunter?

I'm wearing cowboy boots this fine cold day to complement my warm layers of knitted fabric. No pleats.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 17, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Loomis. I finally found information on the Nevada situation last night. Note to self - the best coverage of a state is often found in the newspapers of that state.

I also found out why Bill Clinton was sputtering on the topic. One of our local "hot-shot" reporters really wanted to ask about Nevada when Bill was attempting to create a media event around the subprime lending mess in California. He didn't like going off message.

Posted by: Pacifica | January 17, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Our office just closed (finally)...Tchau

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

MedallionofFerret, I meant to remind you yesterday that Josh Bolton will be out of a job in a year, if you still need a sycophantic toady.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 17, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Lack of startling evidence in recent primaries suggests fears of cross-party sabotage are overrated. At this point anyone who shows up in that is probably as valid as anyone else, under the restraints already in place.

Posted by: Jumper | January 17, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Lord, Mudge, I don't know where that link of you in a housecoat and powdered wig is... sometime in the spring of '06 IIRC.

Maybe someone has the time to search on that... I have a driveway to shovel at the moment.


Posted by: bc | January 17, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Really, Joel, Willard is in Henderson, Nev., today, and you're not there?

Posted by: Loomis | January 17, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I'll pass, bc, the mental image is quite enough! Ouch!

Posted by: Slyness | January 17, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Prince of Plaid
We know that the boss can compete with SD on P of P.; HOWEVER, does boss wear pleats. That is the Celebritology Questions of the moment.

Men, did you know that pleats are one of theose things-that-can-make-you-look--fat? We women are expert at avoiding the TTMYLF.

And, I saw Heidi K, dismiss one of those runway designers on a rerun late last week....she of the stern, Germanic, Teutonic Goddess visage....ouch. Later they kissed/kissed on the cheeck/cheeck. Euro-consolation? Does she always run cold and lukewarm like that?

Posted by: College Parkian | January 17, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

And the giant flakes are back, some of which appear to be an inch across...yikes!

Posted by: omni | January 17, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse


I believe "rack 'em" originally comes from assembling a set of billiard or pocket pool spheroids using a wooden or ivory device in the shape of a triangle or diamond.

Although one does "rack" a shotgun to load a shell, as you pointed out.


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 17, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm baack!

Posted by: Giant Flake | January 17, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Random thoughts. Someone made reference to state constitutions a while ago. That combined with a Josh Bolton mention and made me think of "Alfalfa Bill" Murray, ninth governor of Oklahoma and one of the prime authors of that state's constitution, which lays claim to the title of longest governing document in the world. Some of the 30 or so articles have more than 50 sections! And the Josh Bolton connection? "Alfalfa Bill" hailed from the now extinct town of Toadsuck, Texas.

Posted by: K:LOTD | January 17, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I had decided against posting this earlier but then read CP's comments, so here goes....

Regarding pleats and the male psyche. I actually have no conscious preference, but most of my wardrobe leans that way. Where pleats come into play involves girls who were wearing tailored, pleated pants during some of my first "encounters", as it were. Once you make that connection, particularly at that stage of one's life, it is hard to erase it.

The chick-flick w/Julia Roberts and Julia Stiles, "The Mona Lisa Smile", is one of my all time favorites. The largely female cast wears 50's and 60's style tailored, pleated pants for many of the scenes. Fond, fond memories.

Posted by: DLD | January 17, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey Giant, how's your politician brother, Jeff?


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 17, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Cultural differences, Scottynuke -- some folks here may know how to play pool, but racking a shotgun is in the zeitgeist even for those who've never done it. Not a sound you want to hear. If I were a potential Romney delegate I'd be worried.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 17, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse


I have CB boots, too. Real deal and still great after all these years.

omni -- HUGE flakes here in CP, but falling on mush, slush...trees are starting to ice up, including snow globs.....not sure how this will end but taking the dog out in the gick is a chore.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 17, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Poetic name for very large fuzzy snow flakes: hare pelts (peaux de lièvre)
Hares get white in winter, around here anyway.

Racking a rifle/shotgun is limited to pumpguns, I think. As holding the pump handle one-handed and swinging the gun upward to operate the slide, Hollywood style.

No P of P for me today, no plaid and no pleats.
Many years ago I had the perfect combo: pleated plaid pants. Mrs. D made me throw them away even if they had only 3 or 4 years of use. Barely broken in, really.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 17, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

DLD, you set off this tune cootie, with new words.

Ella F does a great version and so does local fave Eva Cassidy. Ella and Eva both sing in the heavenly choir that Christopher Hitchen's is intellectually opposed to.

Heaven, I'm in heaven
And my heart beats so that I can hardly speak
And I seem to find the happiness I seek
When we're out together dancing PLEAT to PLEAT

Heaven, I'm in heaven
And the cares that hung around me through the week
Seem to vanish like a gambler's lucky streak
When we're out together dancing PLEAT to PLEAT

Oh i love to climb a mountain
And reach the highest peak
But it doesn't thrill me half as much
As dancing PLEAT to PLEAT

Oh I love to go out fishing
In a river or a creek
But I don't enjoy it half as much
As dancing PLEAT to PLEAT

(come on and) dance with me
I want my arm(s) about you
That (those) charm(s) about you
Will carry me through...
(right up) to heaven,

Heaven, I'm in heaven
And my heart beats so that I can hardly speak
And I seem to find the happiness I seek
When we're out together dancing, out together dancing .....
Out together dancing PLEAT to PLEAT

Posted by: College Parkian | January 17, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes indeedy, k-guy LOTDisconnect, Alfalfa Bill Murray was a real character. He mobilized Oklahoma's National Guard against Texas once, lined 'em up at the Red River, and posted them around the Capitol a different time. Eventually he tried to create an idyllic agrarian state somewhere in South America, or Mexico, or something.

I have read almost all of Oklahoma's constitution, part of a group trying to amend it (read: shorten drastically). The current officially published version runs 252 pages, including the original signatures and the repeal of Prohibition (in 1959). It includes provisions on the flashpoint of kerosene and who can ride a train for free. It is the document of a wholeheartedly populist society which didn't trust either politicians or big business (with good reason, I might add). Most of it is filled with provisions that would be better as statutes, but which for whatever reason the drafters wanted enacted in law and didn't think the Legislature would get right. Some, like the flashpoint of kerosene, were the result of the collusion of Corporations and Politics at the cost of lives - did you know if kerosene is too strongly diluted it explodes when lit? The battle to prevent companies from profiting by diluting kerosene was lost at the territorial legislative level so they stuck it in the constitution.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 17, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, good to see you here. I think it just takes time for these colds. Mine has reached the point where I'm sneezing, coughing, nose running, all at the same time. People are running from me or giving me a wide berth. I don't blame them.

Slyness, I laughed at your comment about short and wide, and I laughed because that describes me to a tee. Do you have snow in your town?

Not going back out this afternoon. Just too cold, and it's still wet. I hope this stuff doesn't freeze overnight. Snow is bad, but ice is the worse, and a combination of the two, we don't want to go there.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 17, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Last night I "kinda" heard the news broadcast and I wondered what was up with that.

Well, it was big enough to make the NY Times.

Posted by: Pacifica | January 17, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Omni -- flakes over with, hmm.

SD -- you plaid-Meister you; I don't blame Mrs. SD one penny. PLAID PLEATED PANTS! Go directly to Jail; do not pass Go; do not collect 200 dollars. Just imagine what Robin Givhan would write about that. And, the Heidi Klum Censorial Stare at such Riotous Sartorial Splendor.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 17, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The comment monster ate my comment.

Slyness, laughed at your description of yourself because it fits me too.

Hope you feel better, Ivansmom. How's the Boy doing?

Still sneezing, coughing, nose running,that's me.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 17, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Like Boko, I got 3/10. I watch the red carpet shows and all, but the names just don't stick with me. It's not like I would *buy* any of that stuff.

And I'm wearing (slightly) pleated pants. What say guys, should I go home and ask Raysdad if I look fat in these pants? (Correct answer: "Do I look like I have a death wish?")

Posted by: Raysmom | January 17, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

The long version and the short version.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 17, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Raysmom! Pinky pleats are GREAT! PP: Little pleats that measure about a pinky in fullness. I adore pinky pleats and cannot often find them. Somehow the fashion peeps thought that a little pleat (GOOD!) would be better bigger, as in the Texas effect: big hair, big nails, big shoulders, and later the Holly wood effect of big, bigger, biggest nethers.

Sometimes, pinky pleats are called pencil pleats.

Raysmom, in our spare time we can start a trousers company. wwwwDOTpinkypleatsDOTcom

Posted by: College Parkian | January 17, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Excellent, CP. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Posted by: DLD | January 17, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

When asked by Dr. K. "Does wearing this make me look fat?" I always respond that I'll have to see her out of it to make a proper comparison. One way or another this diversionary tactic works every time.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 17, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Romney on a roll--of the dice perhaps. Las Vegas Review-Journal endorsed him this ayem. The paper has already endorsed Obama. Culinary Workers Union is 40 percent Hispanic, so it'll be interesting to see how this demographic votes.

Posted by: laloomis | January 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Not to ursurp His Quizziness omni, but here's another quiz. Since I got 10/10, it ought to be a piece of cake for you 'uns.

Posted by: Raysmom | January 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The Boy is much better, Cassandra; he's staying after school today to audition for a school play so I'll be disappearing here quickly to retrieve him. I don't yet know if I have a cold. My head hurts a lot as if I were congested, and occasionally I have to blow my nose, but my nose, lungs etc. seem usually clear and very dry; also throat aches. Whatever. It is better than a real cold.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 17, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Anticipating another Crazy Joel any minute now...


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 17, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

CP, our trousers company would also have to make garments for those who are not tall and willowy, but too tall to be "petite." Yanno, like us. So that they don't have to be re-hemmed (at great expense).

Posted by: Raysmom | January 17, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Guys... look at it this way... would you wear pleated JEANS? Of course not. They'd look ridiculous. Need I say more?

(Yoki... you crack me up).

Posted by: TBG | January 17, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

TBG, you crack me up. Now I have a mental picture of the guys standing around in Momjeans.

Posted by: Raysmom | January 17, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

All of this stylish sartorial splendiferous talk reminds me of a scene from my childhood. My mother, a formidable figure, tall, stout, with big sculptured grey hair and a regal air about her, got all gussied up to go to a Sunday afternoon affair.

She strode into the living room where we were all reading/napping after finishing our usual stupendous Sunday roast beef dinner (attendance obligatory).

As she pirouetted across the floor, she asked my father, the famous wit, how she looked.

His answer? "Like the lead horse in the Budweiser parade."

Posted by: Maggie O'D | January 17, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Snow is melting fast, Cassandra, and the streets are getting dry. So much for wintry weather. I had lunch with dottir #1; when I got back I checked the rain gauge, which had a inch of water and slush in it.

Posted by: Slyness | January 17, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Maggie O, what in the world did your mother say? Is okay to laugh? I mean it sounded funny, but did your mother get offended?

Yours might been sinus, Ivansmom. Unfortunately for me, I have both. Cold and sinus problems. Not a doctor so don't really know. Tell the Boy to break a leg. Is that what you say?

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 17, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of whackos, last Sat's Weekend America radio show had a good segment on the Ron Paul people in Montana -- the outliers in an outlier state.

It's on the web, possibly here --

Posted by: LTL-CA | January 17, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Slyness, we don't have any of the white stuff now. The rain gobbled it up quick. It's just really cold. And I'm tired and cranky. I think I will go to bed early. I tried to call my dad, in fact I called three time, but no answer. I know he's sitting there looking at the phone.

Sometimes when I'm made aware of how much I don't know, I feel sad and disconnected from the world, from people, shy even. Yet when I look around I realize that even with huge amounts of knowledge and intellect, one still suffers, and suffers badly. Why? Because armed with this ability is the potential to see much of the horrors of this world, and man's hatred to his fellowman.

Sweet dreams, boodle. I so glad that here I've made friends, and that you tolerate my many shortcomings. It is truly a pleasure knowing all of you. Thank you, all.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 17, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra, yes, she was offended, but only for a moment. My father was being his usual self, and my mother realized that she brought it on herself. Our first reaction was to laugh out loud, then we were offended. Just the opposite of her reaction.

After they gave me their dining room furniture, so that someone else would do Sunday dinner, and Thanksgiving, and Christmas, I found an index card that my father taped a yellowed piece of newsprint from our local paper's
"About Town" column. It said,

"Drusilla Throckbottom* of Such and Such a Street,, was treated to a surprise birthday party at the Woodly Inn. Maggie is the Senior School Nurse and, according to her friends, "is always going out of her way for everyone else, and we thought it would be nice to do a little something for her for a change."

He loved her and was so proud of her as everyone was. He was, despite the quick wit, hardly ever nasty or sarcastic. He didn't mean that about my mother; he just couldn't resist after she set it up so beautifully.

*not, of course, her real name"

Posted by: Maggie O'D | January 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

And, in other news, speaking of More Wackos, have you seen the Tom Cruise Scientology Indoctrination Video

Posted by: Maggie O'D | January 17, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Something very cute to brighten your winter's day. Apparently Frank Sinatra's come back to earth as a furry marsupial...,22049,23050953-5006009,00.html

Posted by: kiwi | January 17, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

kiwi, maybe this is just my sick sense of humor. Did you seen the headline on the same page: "Winemaker dead: family crushed."

Posted by: Raysmom | January 17, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Only got 7 of 10 on the new quiz. Guess my budding new vocation as a writer is nipped in the bud. Ah, well, they say retirement isn't what it's cracked up to be.

Posted by: ebtnut | January 17, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"I'm so glad that I've made friends here,.." A tongue twister.

If she wasn't upset, Maggie, then it was all in good spirits. I think we all need to learn how to laugh at ourselves. I know I do. Most of my life, others did laugh at me, and probably some still do, but hey, I'm laughing first, so it's all good.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 17, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Yes I did - tried not to laugh. Failed.

Posted by: kiwi | January 17, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Here's a video of what Law and Order would be like without the Writers of the Screenwriters Guild...

Posted by: Maggie O'D | January 17, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Maggie, your mother must have been the spit and image of my paternal grandmother, who when asking her husband if she looked all right, was likely to get the reply, "You look perfect. Just don't get any worse."

Posted by: Yoki | January 17, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I think it's an Irish thing.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | January 17, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

G'night, Cassandra.

Mudge, I meant to follow up with your comment on Romney's earlier -- the less I think of that rack of Mitt's, the better.



Posted by: bc | January 17, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I got 7/10 on the designer quiz. I would like to think these were all wild guesses, but I think I actually knew some of the answers.

8/10 on the famous misquotes.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 17, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

TBG, Raysmom, Can't you just see the Sat.Nite.Live faumercial about such pants.

(Wil Ferrell in a cameo)
Mom Jeans for Men
"You are (sooooo) Worth the Pleated Girth!

Yoki and Maggie O'D: Yes, the Irish soft slam within the fam; that is one way to not get a "big head" about things. Like vaudeville, but no stage....

The compliment is, however, worth much:

"silky, Sheila, you look just silky"

I am told that the word came from Selkie, as in the magical seal people who function like mermaids in Celtic both beautiful and a touch untameable

My mom was named Sheila, which means Cecilia. She was a Corn Palace princess twice in South Datoka

And my dad is now wearing whale pleated pants. He has the frame of John McCain and this makes him look very wide. No Sheila to keep him trimmed to his best. We finally got him to STOP washing his hair in either
Irish Spring OR
Lava soaps.

His gorgeous Tip o'Neil-white coif is looking much better these days.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 17, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Lava soap on his hair, CP? Yeouch. My mom used to keep that around to wash her hands when she came in from working in the yard. Harsh stuff. I hope you've got him good shampoo. Sometimes these Depression babies can take the frugal thing waayyy too far.

Posted by: Slyness | January 17, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

My dad never used anything but Ivory soap on his hair as long as I knew him. But then again, look where he is now.

(Sorry... I think that "Winemaker Dead: Family Crushed" has tickled my psyche somehow.)

Posted by: TBG | January 17, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Joel has two new posts over at The Trail. One on Huckabee and one on Thompson. Both are very good, but the comments seem especially incoherent.

Joel - I understand your desire not to fragment the boodle, goodness knows we can be brittle enough at times, but maybe you can include links at the end of the Kit? That way we can absorb your insights without abandoning the current thread of the boodle.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 17, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Of course, since much of the Boodle seems to be out shoveling snow, it might be kind of a moot point.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 17, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Speakin' of soap. My wife's Great Aunt used to make lye soap. When she passed away we found a large barrel of the stuff. Foolishly we tossed most of it, not realizing that it had significant cash value. Evidently there are people who are nostalgic for caustic alkalines.

Posted by: RD Padouk | January 17, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Funny comment over at The Trail on that Thompson/Huckabee imbroglio (Thompson says Huckabee's folks are push polling re: supposed Thompson lobbying for a pro-abortion group)...

"Fred Thompson did no such lobbying. There are no documents to prove it. There are no billing records. The story comes from Hillary supporters."

Hillary supporters!?! I thought this fight was between Thompson and Huckabee. Now there's a way to drag down a perfectly good dogfight.

Posted by: TBG | January 17, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

0/0 on that fashion thing as I refused to take it.

See, if it doesn't discuss the deep and rich history of Phygrian caps, any fashion quiz is merely jobbernowl babble about childrens' pretty baubles.

Now I've snobbed the snobs in fluent Jabberwocky...

CP and Maggie O'D-- how nice to hear romance isn't dead in the Irish ;).

My grandma was an English-Irish gnome, and never a beauty. Family lore says that she would take really funny and lasting grudges against insults like that. Fortunately my grandpa wasn't Irish, but of French heritage instead, and he ribbed her about her cooking instead.

See, he was a volunteer firefighter....

And let them have their guns, folks.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 17, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

SCC: That last non sequitor. But certainly, let them bear their arms as long as they don't tote them into public places.

Isn't it ironic that some subcultures are so similar in their beliefs in that carrying a gun and being able to pack heat makes a man a man, and a man is supposed to be tough and ready to go off on others if need be?

Maybe we need to check the lead levels in their water.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 17, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

This is indeed something that is highly doable in Africa. Great NY article on rabies, and an very interesting discussion as well.

Speaking of charities, I have significant concerns about how many charities retain tax-exempt status under the IRS while participating in clearly political lobbying or advertising to influence public opinion, or dramatically misrepresent their mission to the point of fraud.
I speak of the HSUS, which runs NO shelters whatsoever, yet gladly accepted lots of dollars intended to help rescue Hurricane Katrina pets.

Also, there is the PETA, which has a 97% kill rate. Their latest numbers had their pet survival rates artifically raised by listing "owner reclamations" at its lone spay and neuter clinic.

For this reason, I would like to see 501c3 charities have to undergo a full application process all over again for full approval of their status every 5 years, not merely undergo an audit and follow reporting guidelines.

When the HSUS can "rate" presidental candidates openly as animal-rights friendly and not get their politicalization called in question, I got to wonder how hard the IRS are enforcing their charity guidelines anymore.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 17, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Here's just a little example:

I don't see child welfare charities openly rating presidental candidates as "adoption-friendly" or "child-welfare friendly".

Pick any real charity you can think of that serves a real need, and you'll see.

In the last election, a Catholic bishop came under fire for offering his political opinion on Kerry and how his voting record differed from the religious teachings of a religion Kerry had CHOSEN to belong to.

Why do those "charities" get a free pass?

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 17, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

And, Hillary Clinton recently referred to her "record" on animal rights and the Humane society scorecard.

Are these charities or are these political movements? They can't be both.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 17, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Here's the article that sent me off on a rant...

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 17, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm throwing a flag on that latest quiz, question No. 3. Personal foul, after the play: 15 yards.

(And if you haven';t guessed by now, I got 9/10. Guess which one I'm disputing?)

Awright, awright, you got me to turn off Grey's Anatomy (which is a re-run) so I could watch "Persuasion" on PBS. Ya happy now? Sheesh. At least there may be an admiral in it. (It may be the only thing that will save it.) At least tell me someone in it gets ravished, or shot, or Helen Mirren goes topless -- anything to hold my attention.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

OK, we've got a captain. That may have to do.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

That's no fording British sea captain! Harrumph! Who does Miss Austen thinks she's kidding here?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm with ya on No. 3, Mudge. I got 9/10 on that one, too.

Posted by: TBG | January 17, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

From the article Wilbrod linked to at the NYT: Is it possible to send rabies the way of smallpox, and drive it from the face of the Earth?

With the rabies drops to wild critters in Texas, the rabies vaccine is piggybacked onto the vaccinia virus (recombinant vaccinia-rabies glycoprotein virus), the same virus that almost caused my left arm to be amputated. Which means you're introducing a new virus into a wild population.

I see where Obama is now identifying with Ronald Reagan and John Edwards is having a field day.

Mitt Romney goes into a verbal tiff with an Associated Press reporter in a Staples store in South Carolina.

Posted by: Loomis | January 17, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

It's my birthday, I'm old and grumpy and feel like ranting too. I see where Canada has given their diplomats a heads up regarding torture and mentioning Iran and the good old USA as two countries to watch regarding this practice. Nice. Mitt got called out on his statement that he doesn't have any lobbyists on his payroll (well, the people aren't being 'paid' so I guess it's ok then). Is there a bigger phony in this race? And, no disrespect intended but there are more presssing issues in this country than terrorists. Our banks are taking major bailout money from foreign investors and our economy is quickly sliding into the sewer and the Consitution is still being pretty much ignored by Bush & Co. etc., etc. We may end up being owned by the Saudis and the Chinese.

And then there are the hours I wasted watching Comanche Moon. I've always loved a good western (Silverado, Lonesome Dove, Deadwood) so I guess I was hoping it would get better as it went along. Wooden acting, predictable plotline, lousy continuity (sunshine and shade in alternating shots in same scene). I rarely watch mini series (es, ', s') and now I know why.

But otherwise, it's been a nice day and we're going to celebrate tomorrow night at one of my favorite restaurants.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | January 17, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday 'Sneaks!

Posted by: TBG | January 17, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Sneaks, happy birthday! May you have many more happy ones!

Posted by: Slyness | January 17, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday Sneaks.

Posted by: dmd | January 17, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I survived No Country for Old Men. It is really good - suspenseful, funny. Very violent - I was twitchy throughout the whole thing. I think it would have been as effective without being so graphic and bloody - but kind of hard for me to tell since I look away so much. And I'm so squeamish. I want to read the book now.

Austen is such a totally different experience! I have to admit that I have trouble keeping the characters straight, as some people do with Tolstoy - I'm always flipping back to figure who someone is. But it's an interesting perspective on life and love. No ravishing, though - at the end of Persuasion I was practically screaming, "Kiss her!" at the TV.

Posted by: mostlylurking | January 17, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday, Sneaks!

Some interesting news regarding stem cells and cloning -- some scientists have developed a process to create what appear to be viable human embryos (only allowed to develop for five days) from human adult skin cells placed into human eggs:

This reminds me that I should watch "Sleeper" again sometime soon.


Posted by: bc | January 17, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Intereeeesting stuff at the NYT:

On the presidential campaign trail, former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani often promotes the installation of electronic monitoring devices at the border to stem illegal immigration, without mentioning that until a few months ago, he was partner in a company trying to market such technology.

Mr. Giuliani and his consulting company were part owners of SkyWatch L.L.C., a closely held start-up company that says it has developed a sensor capable of monitoring illegal border crossings. SkyWatch, in collaboration with Raytheon, a large military contractor, is now looking to market the technology to the federal government and elsewhere.

Mr. Giuliani's company, Giuliani Partners, was invited to join the venture more than two years ago by Abdol Moabery, then the chief executive of SkyWatch's parent company, who went on to help the Giuliani campaign raise money in Florida. ...

Mr. Giuliani declined to be interviewed for this article. In response to a question last summer, he told an interviewer for The New Yorker that his role with the project would not give it any advantage in securing a federal contract were he to become president.

Dennis F. Thompson, a professor at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government who has written extensively on political ethics, said Mr. Giuliani should have mentioned his ties to SkyWatch when promoting the fence concept in his campaign.

You do know about the history of Mormonism in Nevada, right? So the endorsement of Romney this morning by the Las Vegas Review-Journal was no surprise, right? I remember having a beer (or two) next to the old potbellied stove in Genoa on a very cold day.:

The first permanent settlement was established in the spring of 1851 by Colonel John Reese, a Mormon, who planned to open a trading post on the overland trail. He was a partner with his brother Enoch in the J. & E. Reese Mercantile firm at Salt Lake City. The party arrived in Carson Valley with 13 wagons loaded with eggs, bacon, flour, seed grain and other kinds of seeds. Stephen A. Kinsey, Reese's nephew, acted as guide. Kinsey stopped for a time at a place on the Carson River called Ragtown. This point did not seem favorable so he moved up the river into one of the most fertile of valleys. On July 4, 1851, Kinsey waited for his party at Beatie's old trading post.

On November 12, 1851, the settlers formed and organized a settler's or squatter's government. It was impossible to settle a legal matter or send records back to Salt Lake City, 500 miles away because Indians, bandits, thieves and desperados took advantage of riders on the trail. The settlers adopted rules for taking up land and elected John Reese recorder and treasurer. Reese recorded the first claim for himself in December of 1852 in the new Utah Territory settlement he named Mormon Station (Genoa).

Mormon leader Brigham Young sent Orson Hyde to Mormon Station in 1854 to survey a town site, determine the California boundary and set-up a government. Hyde changed the name of the surveyed town site to Genoa supposedly in honor of Christopher Columbus' birthplace, Genoa, Italy. The Mormons were called back to Salt Lake City in 1857 to help defend the church against threatened action by the Unites Stated Government. By this time there were gentile families, as well as Mormons, settling in Carson Valley. Most of the faithful left, but some Mormons stayed.

On March 2, 1861, Congress passed an "Act" creating the Territory of Nevada. On November 25, 1861, nine counties were named: Esmeralda, Douglas, Ormsby, Washoe, Lyon, Storey, Lake, Humboldt and Churchill. Nevada became a State on October 31, 1864.

The first permanent non-native settlers in the Las Vegas Valley were a group of Mormon missionaries who built an adobe fort along Las Vegas Creek in 1855. They successfully farmed the area by diverting water from the creek. Today, the park includes a remnant of the original adobe fort, which serves as a visitor center with interpretive displays.

Posted by: Loomis | January 17, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Surely you wouldn't be fighting wildlife for air-dropped sugar cubes, Loomis?

The flippancy aside, you're correct that mass dropping of recombinant vaccines can have side effects. I found an article on an Ohio woman who acquired an illness after skin exposure to this vaccine, apparently her dog had snacked on such a vaccine and then bit the owner.

The dog strain of rabies is now gone in America... dogs can still acquire rabies from wildlife, though (or, from rabies vaccine drops, apparently). It is an absolute that we must continue to vaccinate all our domestic animals for rabies. And to also train our cats to eat rabid bats in our houses, I guess.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 17, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Loomis hates it when you call her Shirley.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 17, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Slyness-in response to your 2:42 ? about the Slate article about mid-career officers leaving the army I'd like to say they spent too much time building up to an expectation that the LTC in question left the military in disgust. The latter part about how officers are now married to professional women/men and more likely to leave after their initial commitment is up, or right at 20 years instead of hanging in to take brigade command is dead on.

For those with kids NCLB is also to blame because it has caused far less flexibility in high school course selection and makes it much harder to move teens without disrupting their path toward graduation. I went to 3 different high schools in 3 years and graduated early without any problem. Almost 30 years later we ended up homeschooling Frostdottir her last two years of high school because she would have been on a five year plan because of 3 moves. Faced with similar choices other people suck up even more family separation, but far more are opting to just call it quits.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 17, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Noted, Mudge.

Posted by: Wilbrod | January 17, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

When we bought our house it took a month of weekends to clean it out. The fellow that we bought it from had torn the ceilings out of the upstairs and there was so much frass on the floor that your feet slid on it; the floors were completely covered. We thought it was squirrel, but it was bat frass. There were also many, many bats in the house, some living, most decomposing. I was running wire for a new outlet in our daughter's room one afternoon, alone in the house, and after cutting the baseboard I removed the wood and frass fell out of the wall. I put my hand into the hole and tried to clear the wall cavity to no avail, reaching into the cavity up to my elbow. As I swept my hand back and forth there was a whoosh and all of this frass fell to the bottom of the baseboard, trapping my arm. It took the better part of a half hour to free my hand. I filled two medium sized kitchen trash bags with the stuff, and still had to get in the attic to clear an equal amount from the roof returns built into the exterior soffit. Rude.

Posted by: jack | January 17, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Between Jack's bat frass and Ivansmom's snakes in the attic I'm thankful for the measly little mice that occasionally invade our silverware drawer in the wintertime.

Of course, no one in our house will eat anything with chocolate sprinkles on it.

Posted by: TBG | January 17, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Jack-your bat guano experience is a common experience around here. Conversations often turn to speculation about the r-value of bat poo since so many old house walls seem to be completely full of it.

Here's an interesting science video:

Toodles boodle. I'm whupped from a long day of mayor duties. I don't know how the candidates do it. I love, love, love, trying to take our city forward and solve our many problems but not enough to actually put myself out there for months and months, suffering the slings and arrows and all.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 17, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

TBG, Yuck, since I have had the little critters as well the thought of chocolate sprinkles bothers me more than Jacks bat frass, just too close for comfort.

Jack some day you need to post pictures, sounds like quite the restoration project your family home has undergone.

Posted by: dmd | January 17, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

"Jack's bat frass" would make a good name for a rock band.

Posted by: ScienceTim | January 17, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

One of the co-founders of Wham-O toys has passed from this life.

We lost many a superball playing baseball with it. I also spent many a summer afternoon in Latta Park playing Frisbee golf. IMHO, its the only iteration of the game worth playing.

Happy birthday to you, 'sneaks!

Old Poco rocks. You Better Think Twice is in my list of favourite songs. I never could square Tim Schmidt in the Eagles line up to replace Randy Meisner. It kind of took the edge off their music and put them more into the pop category as opposed to the Gram Parsons style of music they played on their first three albums. Of course, they were headed down the pop road when they released One of These Nights. The On the Border vinyl carried a stamping on the runoff area near the record label that noted "He who hesitates is lunch". That has always cracked me up.

Posted by: jack | January 17, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: b9 | January 17, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Cool, Tim. Do you want lead or rhythm guitar?

Pictures some day, dmd. The place was certainly condemnable when we bought it: gaping holes (skylight sized) in two parts of the roof, one upstairs, one down in the back of the house; bad wiring (knob/tube, asphalt covered romex, plastic jacked romex, BX cable, romex on the baseboards...oy...); no handrails on the porch; one whole side of the porch deck rotted and impassable, with failing piers, extensive water damage; bathroom tub and sink draining into the crawlspace, kitchen sink draining into a sheetrock bucket; a 55 gallon garbage can to catch the water coming through the downstairs roof ( freeflowing upstairs); standing water on the floors; no ceilings upstairs, space heaters (no HVAC); missing mantle and main foyer fretwork ( very cool frames the walls and ceiling in the middle of the foyer) ...BUT all of the original door hardware, 7 of 8 original mantles, all the original doors were there and we found the fretwork at an architectural salvage shop in Charlotte. A lot of people we talked to in town recounted the story of how the previous owner sold the fretwork and a double shelf mantle for $200 to support his habit. I was jawing with the owner of the shop one day and he knew of our house and had been in it to look at all of the stuff (doors, mantles, tubs, even the wrought iron fence) that the owner intended to sell, as he had to meet the final installment on a balloon note to keep the house. He told me that he had our fretwork and would sell it back to me at a discount, as he wanted it back where it belonged. $1400 later, I recounted the original story and asked him what he really paid for the mantle and fretwork. He shrugged and said "I don't think it went that cheap." Right. We have but two big ticket jobs left. When we bought it, the jobs were prioritized by # of significant figures, starting with five and ratcheting downwards. The inside is close to being done; a new tin roof on the porch with accompanying major carpentry to repair the roof rafters and the only antebellum curve on a porch in town, and exterior paint will make it finished enough to be eligible for one of the holiday tour of homes. Saving the house as been worth it.

Posted by: jack | January 17, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

happy birthday, bad sneakers.

speaking of bat guano, has anyone heard from martooni?

dld, the picture reminds me of cemetery behind the really old congregational church (although that was a brick church, now that i think about it). we saw several of the really old and famous churches in downtown charleston.

on an different subject, i got a 3/10 on the designer quiz. i am female. really.

joel, i think you mentioned having issues with re-sizing the photos. doing image size adjustments in photoshop and then applying the sharpen filter works like a charm.

here's a photoshop cheat sheet of sorts:

Posted by: L.A. lurker | January 18, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Did we already discuss this?: I'm not sure why, but I'm mostly in favor of retaining the (silly, almost antique) "Herndon Climb" as a NavAcad stunt. I won't even try to pretend that it has any particularly redeeming virtues that are more weighty than its ability to amuse me personally. Sometimes (although not usually), I think that might be enough!

Posted by: Bob S. | January 18, 2008 4:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm up first? C'mon, Scotty, Cassandra, get a move on (unless you're cold is still hanging on, Cassandra, in which case stay in bed a few more hours). I started sniffling and sneezing yesterday myself.

Some interesting op-ed stuff this morning. Bush apologist Michael Gerson neatly dismantles hard-hearted Fred Thompson; with friends like that who needs enemies? Eugene Robinson has a very good column. And as you all know, I only read perhaps three Krauthammer columns a year, and only then when I can't stop myself. Today's column was such a one. You guys can safely skip: it's just the usual infuriating dribble. (Or did I mean drivel? Either way.) (No, I think I'll stick with dribble.) And I haven't yet been able to figure out what that "Stumped" column purports to be about or what it tries to accomplish...but today's input doesn't make it past the coherence test. Just more babble.

In the "Talk" column, E.J. Dionne holds up some nonsensical stuff from a rightwinger about Reagan actually being a moderate, but it's all just a lot of smoke and mirrors designed only to be provocative for its own sake, and artificially boost readership. But it's crap and not worth your time.

OK, onward and upward.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 18, 2008 6:01 AM | Report abuse

G'morning, Mudge, I'm here! Thanks for the editorial updates, I haven't read any of them yet and appreciate your preview.

Hey, Cassandra, hope the cold is better. A friend recounted last night that her son, a Carolina senior, called her Sunday afternoon on the way home from Student Health Services to say that he had pneumonia. Monday he called again to say that he had the flu as well as pneumonia. She volunteered to come and take care of him, but he said no. I emailed #2 dottir to check in on him, as they have been friends from infancy.

Frosti, thanks for the answer to my question. I hate that the military is losing talent like that and hope they can figure out how to make the family/work issues come together without either side losing out.

Posted by: Slyness | January 18, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, friends. Mudge, good morning, and I'm up. Just busy blowing the nose, and trying to breath. That's getting harder to do. I've also read Eugene Robinson and Charles Krath. I hardly ever read Charles because I don't want to start the day in a foul mood. I'll bet the house he smiled when he wrote that last line in his op-ed piece. And as always Robinson is on the mark concerning our choices in picking out the candidates. It does really boiled down to what one wants. Of course, it would be nice if the candidates comply.

Happy Birthday, Sneaks. I'm sorry you're feeling out of sorts, but perhaps later you will feel better.

Slyness, had to laugh at your comment about Depression babies. My mom made soap by using the left-overs from the bar. She melted them down to make one huge bar. I don't like Ivory soap, can't stand the smell of it. We did not buy many things from the grocery store because my mom made jellies, canned, froze stuff, and had her own meat source. We just did not have the money. We only bought what is called staples, flour, sugar, etc. I suspect if the woman could have hooked up a gin mill we wouldn't have bought those either. When I think of all she did, I feel so lazy.

Morning, Scotty, Martooni(where are you?)and all.*waving*

I've read this morning that the country is trying to come up with an economic stimulus package to try and ward off the recession. I see someone finally figured out that many poor people spend money, and that's what makes the economy work to some extent. When one thinks about, it is justice in some ways.

Well, still have the cold. I don't think it's going anywhere soon. I'm so happy to be in where it is warm, but this heat is so dry. And we're suppose to get snow sometimes this weekend. Won't that be a blast?

My dad did not answer the phone last night, so I got my sister to call him. She said he told her he did not want to talk because he didn't want to argue. I did not want to argue either, just wanted to know if he was okay. And he started the conversation. I guess he's pouting. I guess it probably not a good time to go over there. You think?

Time to go. Have a great day, everyone. Ivansmom, hope you and the Boy are feeling much better this morning.

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 18, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

RIP Bobby...

*remembering the chess, not the whacked-out recluse*

*TGIF Grover waves*

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 18, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Belated Happy Birthday, Sneaks!!! *HUGS* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 18, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

'Tis Sneaks day and she is in read mode. Let's keep her amused. What are her tangent tendencies.

Wow. Jack! Midsummer Fest at your house next year.

Cassandra, sounds like you and your father have that "we argue because we love" thing going right now. Been there, with my dad too. He is mellowing, except in 'election cycle overloads! And YJ HE LIKES RON PAUL! So if he shows up, I am sending him up Route One to HOWCo and you can chat up what ought to be. His hair will be clean but perhaps a bit unruly. He may smell a bit like your son's friends. I wrote to one sister last night reminding her about the Lava soap stage of hair care and she told me that recently, he bought a "case-ette" of AX deodorant at the SuperBox of Stuff You Must Have NOW. Wow. He has no idea about the advertising on that smelly "guy perfume."

Today, with our small and modest snow, little doggy kept falling through the thin top crust. She perfers a romp in the powder stuff that sometimes graces us briefly.

Take care out there, as we are Southernly-Snow-stupid BUT without their lovely traffic manners....pardon me, my southern-brethren.....

Slyness: good for your dot to be such a friend. Learned that from you! Apples. Trees. etc.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 18, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

The name Sheila always makes me think of Sheila E. who drums standing not sitting. And 'Crocdile Dundy' cause he calls all women folk sheilas (an aussie thing I believe). And then I remember the scene near the end of 'Chasing Papi'

I then...Sheila:Anglicized form of SÍLE:Irish form of CECILIA

And last but not least: Sheila na Gig

What can I say:I have a dirty mind

Posted by: omni | January 18, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

oH, and Happy b-day sneaks.

And to redeem my self a little for the last part of my last post...a little Eva

At first I refused to take that editors quiz on the grounds that the first question totally confused me. I mean Frost said, he didn't write it...right???

But I went back after Mudge and TBG both missed #3 to see what that was all about, and that is the only one I would have got right I bet.

Posted by: omni | January 18, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: CP TEST | January 18, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Pardon, that was me, omni; I tried to embed your video....but Hal-bot does not permit that.

Oh my on the naughty Sheila. Heard about that, but I think that mom lived her entire life without that knowledge. However, she did know that female kangaroos are often known by her her handle.

Sile....S at the beginning of words is pronounced as a soft SH sound:

Sinead - Shin-ADE (Jane, sort of)
Siobhan - Sha VANN (no translation)

Her nickname was Sheely, which all her sibs were wont to say near to the time that she died. She was very childlike toward the end, remembering all sorts of family stories. That was the name she responded to best.

Eva Cassidy: DC treasure, or actually, Prince George's treasure as she lived in Bowie. She worked for years at Behnke's Nursery. Those outside the area might understand this better knowing this:

Prince George's County (PeeGee) is the gritty, dark-horse cousin of the rest of the metro area. Great stuff here but the reporting is very stereotyped, focusing always on struggle and poverty, rather than lots of ordinary good, and some nifty stuff too.

I shall stop my rant and go on to to the day.

SNEAKs for Pres or Homecoming Queen!

Posted by: College Parkian | January 18, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse


Irish form of JEANNETTE

Pet form of JEANNE

Modern French form of Jehanne, an Old French feminine form of Johannes (see JOHN). Joan of Arc is known as Jeanne d'Arc in France.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 18, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Morning boodle!

Forgot to mention last night that good home made lye soap is not caustic at all. It should have a neutral ph and, if you taste it, should be flavorless.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 18, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse


Irish form of Jehanne, a Norman French variant of JEANNE.

And so it goes...

I love the name Siobhan

It is ultimately derived from Hebrew words which meant "God is gracious".

I first came across this name from Siobhan Fahey, a member of Bananarama:

Fahey left the group in 1988 and formed Shakespeare's Sister, A band I really like.

Posted by: omni | January 18, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

That would be "Crocodile Dundee" rather than "Crocodile Dundy."

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 18, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

In keeping with the conversation on Irish names I thought I would see what my name ment, seems it is somewhat unclear but possibilities are "bitter", "rebellious" or "mother".

Posted by: dmd | January 18, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Two new things I learned today: lye = NaOH. I can taste lye soap.

Posted by: daiwanlan | January 18, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

oops, sorry about that, Dundee it is.

This song made it to #1 in the UK, #4 in the US:

Posted by: omni | January 18, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

omni-thanks for the link, lovely version of a song that transports me back to a very good place.

CP-love the way you stand up for PG County!

Posted by: frostbitten | January 18, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

DMD -- here is the better take on your name, which is a variant of mine:

Mara means sea or the bitter is in contrast to freshwater, which we can drink

Isn't that nicer!

Posted by: College Parkian | January 18, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Frosti, I am a sucker for the underdog, the dark-horse, the underappreciated, the hidden pearl, the surprise finisher....ya know, what can happen in 'merica....

Posted by: College Parkian | January 18, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

The name Shakespeare's Sister comes from a song by The Smiths which in turn took it from a section of Virginia Woolf's feminist essay A Room of One's Own.

Although I should be calling the band Shakespears Sister due a sequence of errors where the apostrophe was dropped and then the e. But the name I use is the original.

OK, enough British pop for now...

Posted by: omni | January 18, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

omni-my 9:14 was about the Eva link, though the 9:13 was not bad either.

Posted by: frostbitten | January 18, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Today would be a good day to watch "Searching for Bobby Fischer" (in light of the death of its namesake as well as on its own merits) and to think about what it means to be a child and what it means to be a parent.

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 18, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

mostly lurking,

While watching Persuasion, my wife and I kept up running speculation on who was related to whom and how. When her cousin started hitting on her while wanting to steal her dad's girlfried, our heads exploded. It just got too complicated.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 18, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Morning, boodle. Survived the night meeting and the trip home. Fortunately, it was still above freezing so there wasn't much ice, just some slush here and there. TGIF, and TGIATDW. One more of those next month before the long haul to Memorial Day. Can't we go back to making Good Friday a holiday? Or discover some lofty personage to celebrate in March or April?

Posted by: ebtnut | January 18, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

A very good idea Kguy. Fitting. I saw a biography on Fischer a few months ago. And interesting and perhaps tortured person.

Cassandra, I'm familiar with those things too. Only we took wheat to the mill and traded for flour. That most people are so unfamiliar with some of those things today makes me feel just a little sad. I find it really cheery that when its the depths of winter here, I can have the reward of knowing that kbertocci is picking tomatoes.

Not for the first time, I am regretting choosing Spokane feeds for US channels on our satellite service. No Persuasion for me. Mudge read the book. Its much much better no matter how good the movie is.

Posted by: dr | January 18, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

You're welcome frosti. I love Eva's cover of that song, but for me it's Cyndi Lauper that does it best. prolly only because Cyndi is the first time I heard it that I recall.

Posted by: omni | January 18, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I agree completely with dr. Although there are good cinematic treatments of Jane Austen's works, one almost always gets caught up in plot (who loves who, who's cousin is who, etc.) and misses the best thing about Austen, which is not plot, but characterization. You can learn so much about who and what a person is in a line or two of dialogue. That's Jane Austen's genius and the reason readers come back to her again and again, not "Gosh, will Lizzie marry Mr. Darcy after all?"

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 18, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Happy (belated?) birthday, Sneaks.

I feel duty-bound to call the Boodle's attention to this Joe Conason colyum in Salon, which due to my view of its importance, I'm posting here in its entirety. I hadn't heard of "dominionism" before, and I think we all need to be aware of it, and Hucklenerry's relationship to it. Here it is:

Holy Constitution!
Mike Huckabee's affinity for religious extremism is no secret. But is biblical law at the heart of his presidential vision?

By Joe Conason

Jan. 18, 2008 | Behind the happy, healthy, guitar-strumming campaign style that has so besotted the national press corps, Mike Huckabee looks like something considerably less charming -- a zealous proponent of the "biblical" reformation of every aspect of American society.

If that sounds too extreme and aggressive to describe the smiling Huck
-- who introduced himself to the country as "a conservative, but I'm not angry about it" -- then consider how he explained his urge to revamp the nation's founding document. At a public forum on the eve of the Michigan primary, while mocking Republican opponents who don't want to append a "marriage amendment" or a "life amendment" to the Constitution, he said:
"I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that's what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards."

That outburst appalled many Republicans, who heard those words as an assault on traditional conservative and libertarian values. The next day on National Review Online, Republican speechwriter and strategist Lisa Schiffren complained: "Mike Huckabee is going to force those of us who have wanted more religion in the town square to reexamine the merits of strict separation of church and state. He is the best advertisement ever for the ACLU."

But those offending phrases may have had even deeper significance. Not so long ago, he attributed his rising political fortunes, after many experts had written off his campaign, to the hand of the Almighty.
"There's only one explanation for it, and it's not a human one," he said. "It's the same power that helped a little boy with two fish and five loaves feed a crowd of 5,000 people, and that's the only way that our campaign could be doing what it's doing ... That's honestly why it's happening."

He later denied that he meant to suggest that God wants him in the White House. But his deliberate reference this week to conforming the law to "God's standards" sounds uncomfortably like the ideology sometimes known as "Christian dominionism" or "Christian reconstructionism," which declares that America, indeed every nation on earth, is meant to be governed by biblical law.

The looniest dominionists publicly insist that a pious government would inflict Old Testament punishments, including death, on blasphemers, pornographers, homosexuals, adulterers and even disobedient children.
They constantly talk about their duty to institute biblical rule in the United States.

As a Southern Baptist preacher, does Huckabee accept that bizarre interpretation of Christian ethics? The answer is that he probably doesn't (or is too shrewd to say so if he does). But the clues to Huckabee's affinity for religious extremism have been lying in plain sight for a long time.

Back in 1998, when he was still serving as governor, he helped write "Kids Who Kill," a short book purporting to analyze the outbreak of school shootings by teenagers. His coauthor was George Grant, a well-known militant Christian reconstructionist author, activist and educator. That same year, the libertarian Reason magazine published an exposé of reconstructionism titled "Invitation to a Stoning," which identified Grant and quoted him on the movement's ambition for "world conquest." Scorning the moderation of other conservative Christians, Grant explained, "It is dominion we are after. Not just a voice ... not just influence ... not just equal time. It is dominion we are after."

Of course, Huckabee must have had no illusions about Grant's baroque worldview, since it is clearly reflected in their book. The school shootings were mere symptoms of American civilization in decline, they thundered, with communities "fragmented and polarized" by "abortion, environmentalism, AIDS, pornography, drug abuse, and homosexual activism." (Unlike his coauthor, Huckabee was too nice to call for the execution of gays. He merely wanted to place them in detention if they tested HIV-positive.)

As governor, he also promoted the faith-based programs of a reconstructionist minister named Bill Gothard -- and even boasted that he had gone through Gothard's "basic program" himself. More reputable evangelicals consider Gothard to be a cultish fringe character, but he has built an enormous empire, which depends on funding from local and state governments to bring his authoritarian version of the Gospel to prisoners, police officers and welfare recipients, among others. He experienced a moment of unwelcome notoriety recently, when the Denver Post revealed that Matthew Murray, the 24-year-old gunman who killed four people at two Christian centers in Colorado in December, had been subjected as a teenager to Gothard's superstrict "home-schooling"

Huckabee's close connections with the likes of Grant and Gothard date back a decade or more -- and his rhetoric has surely changed, if not his views. He no longer denounces environmentalism, for example, at least not publicly. But he still maintains contact with reconstructionist leaders, some of whom are supporting his presidential candidacy. Just last month, Huckabee attended a campaign fundraiser at the Houston home of Dr. Steven Hotze, who became one of the nation's most notorious advocates of dominionist ideology when he led the religious right's takeover of the Texas Republican Party. Huck's old friend Gothard was also at Hotze's home, along with a bevy of extremists including Rick Scarborough, author of "Liberalism Kills Kids" and "Mixing Church and State."

When columnist Robert Novak mentioned the event, he described Hotze as a leader of the "highly conservative Christian reconstructionist movement," a description that aptly encapsulates the ignorance of many mainstream journalists (and the aversion to unpleasant realities of many right-wing journalists). There is, of course, nothing "conservative"
about reconstructionism, which demands a radical repression of liberty and the imposition of biblical law by "godly men."

Years before he became a Republican Party activist, Hotze played a role in the Coalition on Revival, one of the early organizations promoting reconstructionist thought among evangelicals. The coalition's 1986 "manifesto for the Christian church" urged believers to accept the Bible as "the final measurement and depository of certain fundamental facts of reality and basic principles that God wants all mankind to know in the sphere of law, government, economics, business, education, arts and communication, medicine, psychology, and science. All theories and practices of these spheres of life are only true, right, and realistic to the degree that they agree with the Bible."

In 1997, Huckabee expressed similar sentiments in a book titled "Character Is the Issue: How People With Integrity Can Revolutionize America," warning starkly that in the struggle between secular and sectarian, "one worldview will prevail." Echoing the grandiose authoritarian cadences of his reconstructionist pals, he wrote:

"When two irreconcilable views emerge, one is going to dominate. Ours will either be a worldview with humans at the center or with God at the center ... The winning worldview will dominate public policy, the laws we make, and every other detail of our existence."

Does Huckabee still believe that his narrow version of Christianity must dominate every detail of human existence in this country? He doesn't like to answer hard questions about the intersection of his faith and his politics, but it is long past time that somebody demanded a straight answer.


In a separate vein, I reluctantly have to join Scotty in saying RIP to Bobby Fischer the chess genius, tho' not to Bobby Fischer the raving, anti-semitic nut job he was and degenerated even further into. Genius sometimes does strange, strange things.

Back when Fischer first burst upon the scene, I was an average chess player and certainly no chess nerd. But I quickly became interested in the Fischer-Spassky matches, and started reading chess books and following the games avidly. A few of you may remember a guy named Shelby Lyman, a sociology professor who emerged from nowehere to become a TV personality who explained and critiqued the games' every moves on a giant chessboard. I was a big Shelby Lyman fan (and he reminds me of tennis commentator Bud Collins, for some reason). During the match, Lyman was on PBS for five hours every night, analyzing and commenting, and it was the highest-ranked show PBS ever had on the air up to that time--it even knocked Sesame Street and the Democratic Convention that year off the air. Hard to believe now, I suppose.

Early in his career, Fischer played a match against an American named Donald Byrne. This particular game was so outstanding, so unusual, so different from the usual chess matches, that the Fisher-Byrne game became known as the "game of the century." It was roughly comparable to Super Bowl III, or Tug McGraw's 9th inning in the World Series. The game is here at for anybody who is interested.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 18, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

On the record as saying, LIZZIE DON'T MARRY MR. D'ARCY! Really.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 18, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I will admit I chickened out of watching Persuasion because it's my all-time favorite novel and I just couldn't make myself take the risk of seeing it butchered. A late bloomer myself, I have always completely identified with Anne Elliot.

The Kiera Knightley Pride and Prejudice sucked, IMHO, because they screwed with the plot and made it wildly improbable. Sorry, an Austen plot cannot be improved upon. I did like the Sense and Sensibility movie, but it was faithful to the novel.

Carry on. Time for a new kit on politics, isn't it?

Posted by: Slyness | January 18, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Slyness, agree on Anne E plus Frederick W. That is the best romance and couple in the JA corpus.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 18, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

The story about the Naval Academy Herndon Climb defends it as a longstanding tradition. Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash.

Posted by: Winston Churchill | January 18, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, I'm not too surprised that you found the New England Journal of Medicine article, that I discovered several years ago. When the wildlife rabies (+vaccinia) delivery method crosses several species to cause a medical problem in humans, that it cause for concern. I tried to get to the woman to do an interview, but people in the area were very, very tight-lipped--patient confidentiality is the reason they gave. Consarn it all.

mostly, if you read Cormac McCarthy's "No County for Old Men," you'll discover the ending of the story in the book is different than the movie's ending.

I heard a joke from a pundit that Huckabee's move to introduce two new contitutional (Biblical) amendments would result in, IIRC, constituments, or was it commandtions? Anyhoo, a combination of the words commandment and constitution.

Posted by: Loomis | January 18, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

As I tried to say a few days ago, 'Mudge, Huckabee's Traveling Theocracy Roadshow needs to be derailed, post-haste.


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 18, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like fun WC.

Posted by: CPOdmntrx | January 18, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I think that'll happen, Scotty, as more and more people like Conason write articles about him. The guy is toast; it just takes a while for the toaster to pop him out. To most people at the moment he just looks like a "mainstream" evangelican/Christian, and therefore not objectionable. But it'll come out over time.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | January 18, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Interesting that in this blog "JA" refers to Jane Austen. Ammunition for Achenbach when he does one of his "They Just Ignore Me" rants.

I have to agree that Austen is chiefly a reading pleasure--the movies make the stories flatter and more ordinary, somehow. Although I thought the Kiera Knightley version of P&P had some great visuals--from the opening scenes showing the dirt and animals of the Bennett homestead to the closing with D'Arcy's fabulous black coat blowing in the wind (my daughter almost swooned for that coat alone). Still, reading an Austen book is always surprisingly thrilling (not as much as George Eliot, however.)

Posted by: kbertocci | January 18, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

CPO' not me.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 18, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Padouk wrote yesterday in his 8:35: Everybody knows that California is the land of swimmin' pools and movie stars.

This comment, Padouk, put me in a mind to think about a used book that I bought recently. The blurb on the back of the book, "River of Shadows: Eadweard Muybridge and the Technological Wild West," says it all:

The world as we know it today began in California in the last quarter of the nineteenth century, and Eadweard Muybridge had a lot to do with it. This striking assertion is at the heart of Rebecca Solnit's new [2003] book , which weaves together biography, history, and fascinating insights into art, technology, landscape and photography to create a boldly original portrait of America on the threshold of modernity. The story of Muybridge--who in 1872 succeeded in capturing high-speedd motion photographically, thus making movies possible--becomes a lens for a larger tory about the transformation of time and space by railroads, telegraphy, photography, and myriad other contributions to the acceleration and industrialization of everyday life. Solnit shows how the peculiar freedoms and opportunities of post-Civil War California led directly to two industries--Hollywood [k-guy's and omni's, for sure] and Silicon Valley--that have most powerfully defined contemporary life.

[Note to k-guy: AKC registration gladly accepted.]

Posted by: Loomis | January 18, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Hum. A bunch of half naked young men climbing a well lubricated obelisk invokes images that fit the Royal Navy quite well. The UN Navy, I don't know.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 18, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I tend to agree CP. Darcy is a hopeless snob and a thorough prig, but hey, he's good looking, he's kind to his sister, and he's feeeeeeeeeelthy rich!

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 18, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Chiel Petty Officer dmtrx?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 18, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

SCC ChieF *sigh*

Posted by: shrieking denizen | January 18, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Scotty, I agree about the Huckster. Unfortunately, I don't think South Carolina is the state where it's going to happen.

My neighbor is going to vote for him. When I asked him about the sheer lunacy of his "Fair Tax" he said it would never pass Congress anyway, so it didn't matter.

Posted by: Raysmom | January 18, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

K-gy LOTD agrees with me. My joy is complete.

I agree with KB on the filmy aspects of JA. Swooning on the coattails? KB, CPDots too! Did not see the KK version. P'haps I am a snob too.

G. Eliot takes courage for me to re-up the re-reading. JA? I pick her up like an old friend or soft shoe, but always refreshing.... JA may have had an auto immune illness....lupus, Bright's disease? Lots of candidates....sad to die so young.

Posted by: College Parkian | January 18, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse


If my reading of Scripture is correct, and my understanding also, doesn't Christ answer the question of religion and government when he advised his followers, using a coin, to give the government the things that belong to them, and things that belong to God, give them to Him.

Scripture notes that all is God, but Scripture does not sanction chaos or anarchy. I believe we as Christian have enough to do just treating each other good without trying to take over the government. It might help the government if we loved each other and looked out for one another. Christianity is suppose to be a good thing for government and all, not the opposite. At least, that's my take on it. I could be wrong.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 18, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

The Navy's out of sight, man! Come together with the RN, it really is something other than else!!!


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 18, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

The hearing-aid is out, and I cannot get it fixed until next Thursday. It is going to be a long week, folks. I'm already screaming in my mind.

Posted by: Cassandra S | January 18, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

New kit, folks.

Posted by: Kim | January 18, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

2 New Kits!

Posted by: dmd | January 18, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, you are right on. We tried theocracy in this country, but it didn't work out so well, IIRC.

CP, the theory is that Austen had Addison's Disease, which is TB of the adrenal glands. The final note in Claire Tomalin's biography says, however, that the symptoms point toward something like lymphoma rather than Addison's. (JFK had Addison's but it was successfully treated, of course.)

Posted by: Slyness | January 18, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

S'Nuke, I presume that's spelled "Nay-vee" and pronounced in Palinesque tones?

Posted by: kurosawaguy | January 18, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

"I find it really cheery that when its the depths of winter here, I can have the reward of knowing that kbertocci is picking tomatoes."

That, dr, is why this boodle is so cool. We're learning points of view that just weren't available to us a few short years ago.

The iPhone has a weather application where you can easily set pages for cities around the world. I've got Calgary, Bandar Seri Begawan (rainforest is currently falling asleep under wispy clouds and 77°F), Calgary (brrr), Burlington, Philly, Charlotte, among others, as my weather pages right now.

Posted by: TBG | January 18, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

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