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Guantanamo: The Movie

Such a strange event, this trial at Guantanamo Bay. It's great theater, and questionable law, which means it's like something out of a Hollywood movie. The detainees are kept in solitary confinement and then, in the courtroom, allowed to conspire with, and badger, one another. If they mention being tortured, someone hits a button and the sound is muted. They are declared to be enemies of the United States, but will be given classified information because it'll be used as evidence against them and they're acting as their own attorneys (while seeking the death penalty for themselves). My guess is that they wouldn't be given the classified data if there was any chance of them walking out there and hailing a taxi to Havana.

There's great coverage in The Post this morning from Josh White. I am sure Khalid Sheik Mohammed would not have approved of the huge ad directly next to the jump page in the A-section: A guy in tightie-whities, looking directly at the defendants, it seemed.

Apparently Mohammed, whose middle-of-the-night arrest photo was Nick Nolte awful, has taken an interest in his public image:

"When shown a courtroom sketch of himself, he objected to the image and wanted his nose to be redrawn smaller."

In a separate piece posted this morning, White gives more flavor of the odd trial:

"I consider all American laws under the Constitution to be evil and not of God," Mohammed said. He particularly took issue with a society that allows "same-sexual marriage" and other things that "are very bad."

... Kohlmann also had a surreal conversation with the five defendants toward the end of the hearing, discussing with them the parameters for them to review and handle classified evidence if they do represent themselves. Military prosecutors said with no apparent irony that they are prepared to hand over classified materials to the nation's arch enemies, although it is unclear whether they will have access to witnesses or how a detainee will handle top-secret CIA materials.--

... Mohammed appeared to have equal disdain for the process, but he only briefly mentioned his "torturing" at the hands of U.S. officials, something he acknowledged he was warned not to mention in open court, lest a security official hit a button muting the audio to observers in the courtroom and at a media center nearby. That button was pushed at least a few times on Thursday when detainees appeared to discuss elements of their early captivity in secret facilities or the way they were treated. "All of this has been taken under torturing," Mohammed said. "Then after torturing they transfer us to Inquisition Land here at Guantanamo and you tell everyone to sit down, sit down."


You're nobody if you haven't published a Clinton postmortem. I've read about eight of them -- somehow no one ever quite mentions the obvious fact that we are novelty-seeking, staleness-aversive society and of course the new person beat the 1990s icon -- and am now ready to move onward, to the important issues that confront us in the weeks ahead, such as which states are swing states, and which zip codes are swing zip codes, and which streets are the swing streets.

My street would be a swing street in a different state. It was solidly Democratic until the housing prices spiked and the GOP moved in. The zip code would also be a swing zip code, because although the bungalows at lower elevations are still generally filled with Democrats, when you move to higher elevations you find yourself staring at the huge Republican houses with their moats and drawbridges and waiting limos and whatnot. But it's not really a swing zip code, because this is D.C., and we can safely mark Bama down as having already won the 3 electoral votes.


Last night in the boodle I mentioned something Robert F. Kennedy -- who died 40 years ago today -- said to his kids. I watched the passage in the movie (Crimes Against Nature, still in production) again and here's a more accurate description of what Kennedy said to his children that day during the 1968 campaign (as recalled by Bobby Jr.): I was in a home in Mississippi today where the kids eat only one meal a day. Their stomachs were swollen. Their knees were like sticks. When you grow up, I want you to help these people.

Here's an essay on HuffPo about the 40-year Culture War.


Here's a must-read piece on Politico on McCain's weakness at a podium. I'm a text guy and listen to the words and don't care that much about the delivery, but yeah, McCain is no Reagan when it comes to reading from a teleprompter. Ultimately it might not matter that much, because this will be an election that to an unusual extent is almost a one-person race: It's a thumbs-up or thumbs-down on Obama.


Correcting my own correction:

The other day I wrote that a NYTimes piece on Obama incorrectly reported that he returned to Chicago from Harvard to be a community organizer. Obama spent several years as a community organizer before he went to Harvard. But the reporter, former Postie Michael Powell, says I've got it wrong, because Obama was an organizer both before and after Harvard. He writes: "Obama, who had labored as an organizer before Harvard, also returned to Chicago to take a position as AN ORGANIZER. He ran a voter registration and education campaign, known as Illinois Project Vote, an organizing effort targeting Chicago's low income blacks. This organizing campaign was part of a statewide project and played a role in helping Bill Clinton and Carol Braun gain victories in 1992. Only then, after 6 months of organizing, did he decide to take a relatively low paying job in a law firm. (Where he continued to do some organizing, but that's another story ... ) ... Obama clearly could have made a bundle working for a white shoe law firm in NY, DC or Chicago."

By Joel Achenbach  |  June 6, 2008; 9:43 AM ET
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Hi, Martooni. Hi, Cassandra.

Posted by: daiwanlan | June 6, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

What a wonderful thought-provoking kit.

I am ashamed to admit that, as obvious proof of my moral and intellectual degradation, what came to me first was a really bad double entendre about being a swinger.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 6, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

joel, you sure are cranking 'em out.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | June 6, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

i may have mentioned this before, but i know a prof who was incredulous that people were not demonstrating in the streets when the bush administration basically threw habeas corpus out the window. he took it as a sign of the imminent demise of our civilization. he was quite serious.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | June 6, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Joel, thank you so much for linking to that HuffPo article on the 40 year culture war.

I have been raised in this war. I still see it every day when older people invariably interpret everything in terms of hippies verses hard-hats.

And like a child in a household where mommy and daddy do nothing but scream at each other, I really do want it to end.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 6, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

43% on the cleaning quiz. I'm going to have to get the cleaning crew to take the quiz this weekend.

They already made the Guantanamo movie:

Posted by: yellojkt | June 6, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Er, wasn't there a movie earlier this year about Harold and Kumar escaping from Guantanamo Bay?

Um, can't they have these trials in some sort of Cone of Silence or an Eight Second Temporal Delay Chamber, like the delay used for most live TV broadcasts, but for a whole courtroom. If they can't do it with some sort of Time Stasis Field, they can employ my little Black Hole Information Storage Devices to take the reality of what's going on in there and dumping it into a Black Hole, and someone having editoral privalages to pull out what they deem fit for public consumption.

I'm sure there are many at the WH who would love to see a lot of this disappear into a Black Hole. And probably not a few emails, too.



Posted by: bc | June 6, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

This is insane. 7/7 on the quiz, more than half were guesses. I'll do Kerric one better by saying: everything I learned about cleaning I learned from Bree.

Posted by: omni | June 6, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, bc, but I heard that the new film lacks the comprehensive conceptual integrity of the original artistic experience.

For example, I am told that Neil Patrick Harris's role has been hopelessly compromised through the inability to suspend belief.

This is how it goes with refined cinema.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 6, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The McElvaine piece was pretty good -- not great, but pretty good. But alas, he has his dates wrong. The start date ought to be 1964, not 68, but that would ruin his 40-year meme. And if Obama wins in November, the war will not be over; it's just that for the first time the good guys won. (I don't think I can include Bill Clinton's reign 1992-98 as such a clear "victory" for the good guys, so much as a cease-fire.)

But I did like his analysis of Pat Buchanan being the initial architect of the Nixon plan, which no one has yet seen to be what it was: a "divide and conquer" straegy. First you have to do the dividing. And it's "voice" wasn't Nixon, it was his henchman Agnew.

I think what has been missing all along has been clear recognition and discussion of the morality of this (or any) "divide" strategy. I have no problem with it as a stretegy to use upon one's enemy; I have *great* moral objection to its use upon one's own country. It is inherently evil, nevermind its efficacy. This is why Buchanan, Atwater and Rove need to be reviled. (Too late for Atwater, not so the other two.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 6, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I found the transcript for the Gitmo trials:

`Let the jury consider their verdict,' the King said, for about the twentieth time that day.

`No, no!' said the Queen. `Sentence first--verdict afterwards.'

`Stuff and nonsense!' said Alice loudly. `The idea of having the sentence first!'

`Hold your tongue!' said the Queen, turning purple.

More here:

Posted by: yellojkt | June 6, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

SCC: 1992-2000

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 6, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

That's a very interesting observation about the general election. And I think you are very right. Most will vote for or against Obama.

Funny how the nature of an election can surprise you. I mean, remember back when so many people assumed it would still be all about Bush?

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 6, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I'm still wondering... if the guys on trial at Guantanamo want to be martyrs, why don't they plead guilty? How can you be a martyr for something you claim you didn't do?

Posted by: TBG | June 6, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I've been a strong advocate of making the electoral college one vote per congressional district with a two vote bonus for carrying the popular vote for the entire state. It would force candidates to run a 50 state campaign rather than just focus on large battleground states.

It wouldn't do Joel any good since DC would still be a three vote gimme for the Dems. After all, the District was 23% of Mondale's tally.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 6, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

TBG, I suppose they want to use the process to show how evil it is, so that they can be martyrs because of the innately evil "justice" dispensed in the U.S.

Posted by: slyness | June 6, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

And this Culture War theory neglects the very strong racial aspect of the Southern Strategy. While effective, it's not an accomplishment to be proud of.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 6, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Today's the anniversery of D-Day.
I thought a mention of something honourable would take the sting out of contemplating the travesty of what is happening at Guantanamo.
I'd also like to honour the uniformed defence lawyers who are speaking out against these despicable show trials.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 6, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Boodle Techno-Query!

Can I get a Hex Editor to open an odd but important binary file, sent by a luddite in his 70s?

Me, a recent Mac-convert.

Posted by: College Parkian | June 6, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I suspect that the plea of "not guilty" is solely to win the opportunity to speechify. If they pled guilty that would (a) constitute a statement that they felt guilt over their actions, rather than taking credit for them; and (b) probably give them no opportunity to speak on their own behalf.

Posted by: PlainTim | June 6, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

CP, is that an actual binary file -- like, compiled code? Or has it been BinHexed? If the latter, UnStuffit should be able to open it right up. If you are looking for text embedded within a lot of other stuff, you probably can open it with Word, by selecting the correct translation option. You'll have to try all of them, and then you will have to search through the vast number of weird or unprintable characters to find strings of plain text.

Posted by: ScienceTim | June 6, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure it's no surprise or secret, but both of my thumbs are up for Obama.

I so wish I could vote more than once.

Maybe if I register each thumb as a different entity... hmmm....

Regarding Guantanamo... It's like Judge Judy meets Nancy Grace. Whether these guys actually did what they're accused of or not, they *will* be convicted and will probably get their wish to become martyrs.

This whole process (and Judge Judy and Nancy Grace) just makes me sick. WTF happened to the high road? Is it necessary to destroy every last bit of credibility and respect (not to mention reason and the principles of fairness and justice this country was founded upon) that the U.S. still has and we supposedly go to war to encourage or enforce elsewhere?

I'm no lover of terrorists, but dangit... how can we possibly expect anyone in the world to back us or believe in us if we throw our own rulebook (the Constitution) out the window right in the middle of trials against those who (according to the current "protectors" of said rulebook) would love to see that rulebook destroyed and replaced with a Koran or some other text?

This is just insane.

If we were able to give the Nazis fair and open trials (as in public and uncensored), why the hell can't we do it today with alleged terrorists?

Are our rules of law not adequate?

If so, WTF have we been doing for the past 200+ years? Just mucking about? Pretending?

If we stand for freedom, it doesn't do us any good to set the standards of freedom aside that we've fought for when those standards need to be held up high and waved around. And proudly.

Last I heard, it doesn't matter what you do or are alleged to have done, but you are *supposed* to be presumed innocent until proved otherwise. Anything else is not justice and most definitely not compatible with what America is supposed to stand for.

If our rules of law are so inadequate that we have to blindly "trust" the government's decisions to detain and convict people on secret info (info probably as reliable as that "other" secret info about WMD's), secret info that not even the detainee/prisoner is allowed to have access to or present in his/her defense...

I'd gnaw my own arm off if I found myself in bed with that government and it's inflated head had my arm pinned.

Wasn't it that kind of thing that prompted Reagan to demand from Gorbachev that he "tear down this wall"?

This ain't the America I was promised and it sure as hell ain't the America I want my daughter to grow up in.

My backup plan is Canada, but I'm thinking Amsterdam would be much more to my liking.

For the canals and bicycles and architecture, of course. (get yer minds out of the gutter I'd probably fall into)

Peace out...

Posted by: martooni | June 6, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Tim, the file is titled WP but I cannot see an extension on it....this is in my Google Email inbox.

When I click to download or open, it tells me it is a binary file.

When I try to open it, the "face" in Mac Finder says is is an Movie File but I cannot get QUick-Time to open it.

I cannot say what the sender did with it; however, he is somewhat afraid of email. He may use Word Perfect.....

Posted by: College Parkian | June 6, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

SCC "the travesty of what is" is just so wrong but I don't have the inclination to fix it.
I don't find anything funny about what is happening at Gitmo. The stench is overpowering.
I have been tempted to boodle about the abuse of the minor Omar Khadr by the government of the United States of America and the complicity of the Canadian govt. in the abuse but I was afraid it would turn into a rant. I'm deeply ashamed by my government's lack of action allowng the torture, detention and railroading of a child. My only solace is that I don't beleive we would have elected a similar gang of criminals up here. Twice.
Sorry if that seems harsh.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 6, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Front Page Alert...

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 6, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Er, um, OK, I lied about my score. 4/7. But I have a problem about the humidifier answer. In the summer yeah, when humidity can reach an absolute value of 2.8 (the highest I've recorded), but in the winter it rarely goes above 0.5 (I don't actually have a record of it this high). I mean a ten minute hot shower will produce more water vapor than your typical humidifier will in ten hours (I'm just making this up...

I'm glad there is a new Kit and Kaboodle. I liked the previous KB , but Mudge kept making me cry.

But really, thanks for that first person account Mudge.

Posted by: omni | June 6, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey HexEditorTIM....I opened in my text editor and slogged through scades of code and found my tidbit.

Thankey, fine Sir. The boodle-tech-help desk is always open.

Posted by: College Parkian | June 6, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Yep, the WP in the name sure suggests it is a WordPefect file. Unfortunately, MS always has been very leery of translators from other word-processing formats. They consider it the job of lesser word-processors to learn how to read MS files.

Did your Mac come with the iWork suite? Try using the word-processor from that (whose name I have forgotten) to open the file. Failing that, you could try asking your correspondent to "Save As..." and then locate the option to save as a Rich Text Format (RTF) file, which you certainly would be able to read.

Posted by: ScienceTim | June 6, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Off topic but here goes: interesting article, and I really like the headline:

"The Science of Sarcasm (Not That You Care)"

Posted by: kbertocci | June 6, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Martin Walker of United Press International shared on NPR's (second hour: international news panel discussion--Scott Wilson, international editor at the Washington Post, was also on the panel) Diane Rehm show this morning that there is rampant buzz and *speculation* within China that there was a nuclear accident in Sichuan province in China following the recent earthquake.

Certainly, more investigative reporting needs to be done regarding this speculation.

Should (*said with great emphasis*) the story be true however, what should we expect in the coming months as far as Chinese imports? Glow-in-the-dark toothpaste and subsequently glow-in-the-dark teeth? Glow-in-the-dark petfood and glow-in-the-dark cats and dogs? Glow-in-the-dark kids' toys and glow-in-the-dark kids?

Posted by: Loomis | June 6, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse


CP, I borrowed your speech transcript for my own blog. Thanks!

Posted by: a bea c | June 6, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, kb, that's a very interesting article. I never thought about where the sarcasm detector is.

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 6, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Martooni. I'm afraid that the fear mongers are getting some traction in the Netherlands. I hope that they'll be beaten back but if they're not I recommend Sweden.
Those buggers aren't afraid of anything even if they don't have a clue about Rock 'n' Roll (start fight now).
Anyway, I think you guys may be able to get your government back from the hands of the quaking wussies come November. If not you're wlcome up here any time. And if you like canals, well, did I ever tell you about the Worl....

Posted by: Boko999 | June 6, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

It's over there, mostly, in a box.


Posted by: Scottynuke | June 6, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The latest update from Friendswood, Texas (I heard this on Texas Public Radio minutes after 5 p.m. yesterday--seems the folks there have a real problem coming to grips with the concept of "hate crime"--still like to see more reporting on whether the young Islamic kid got beat up just because he was a kid or because of his faith...):

FRIENDSWOOD, Texas -- A junior high school principal who allowed a group to make a presentation about Islam to students is no longer on the job.

Robin Lowe "has accepted another administrative position effective immediately," the school district said in a statement late Wednesday. ...

But community members and parents of children at the predominantly Anglo and Christian school complained about the assembly.

Obama Backs Away From Comment on Divided Jerusalem

Obama's comment that the city of Jerusalem must remain undivided was even to the right of Israeli politicians' stance--or so the comment was made during the second hour of the Diane Rehm show. What is Obama up to, trying to launch The First Crusade of the 21st century? Hope someone by now has pulled out a map and has shown him where Auschwitz and Buchenwald were located, you know, taught him some history as well as geography. I think the question now will be whether Obama truly is ready on Day One.

Posted by: Loomis | June 6, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

GIBSON: On what three issues, principal issues, do you think this election will turn?

MCCAIN: Reform, prosperity and peace.

Posted by: Loomis | June 6, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Gosh-darned fearmongers... thanks for the heads up, Boko.

I just can't imagine an Amsterdam without legalized prostitution and herbal remedies for glaucoma and other ailments.

What's this world coming to if you can't go to Amsterdam without people snickering in that "I know what you did... you don't even need to tell me" snicker?

Jeez... all that'll be left in the little black book of debauchery destinations will be Vegas and Buffalo.

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. What happens in Buffalo gets buried in New Jersey.

Posted by: martooni | June 6, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Martooni, Mr. T and I are just back from Las Vegas. The place has changed dramatically since last we visited. The raunchy element is still there, but not nearly so omnipresent as it used to be. Lotsa kids on the Strip, so entertainment is more family oriented than before.

One thing did crack me up: street vendors in teeshirts advertising girls in 20 minutes! They were handing out cards. I just didn't get why they would try to give a card to a guy walking hand-in-hard with a woman...

Posted by: slyness | June 6, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Excellent rant. Show trials, tortured confessions and psycho-abusive drugs were supposed to have been the province of Our Enemies. If feel like we are the pigs at the end of Animal Farm.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 6, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Hope none of the DC-area folks were planning to use Route 50 this afternoon...

Someone needs to poke the AP and suggest they rewrite "barricade situation" for a little more clarity. *shrug*

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 6, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was nice of Ken Mehlman to apologize for the "Southern Strategy."
'Coures as he was doing it his cohorts were jamming Dem phone lines and actively disenfranchising thousands of black people with caging and phoney accusations of vote rigging.
I suppose he felt they didn't need an overtly racsist strategy when racsist tactics could get the job done.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 6, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Of course, that's how McCain framed the issues of the presidential race in his interview with Charlie Gibson that aired last night. Those who are interested in Obama's answer to that same question can locate the transcript of the interview that Candy Crowley of CNN had this past week with Obama, during which she posed the identical question.

Bigger news: CNN reporting breaking news in the oil markets today. The cost of a barrel of oil went up $5.50 yesterday, but had a whopping rise today of more than $9 a barrel. That, coupled with the latest unemployment figures, released during the past 24 hours. Did I mention that CNN reports the latest speculation?: The cost of a barrel of oil will reach $150 by July 4. Interesting times ahead.

Posted by: Loomis | June 6, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

slyness... those disgusting explicit "advertising" cards is what turned me off to Las Vegas. They kept trying to hand them to Son of G until he finally said, "Dude! I'm with my mom!"

The guys who did take the cards dropped them on the ground only to display pretty harsh porn for the those families and kids walking on the strip. It was bad enough with an 18 year old; I can't imagine if I were walking along with my young children.

Posted by: TBG | June 6, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Here y'ar (SCC: Thursday's jump was a percentage jump, not a dollar jump. Any math whiz Boodler want to figure out what the 5.5 [percentage increase translates to in $$$?):

Oil Prices Skyrocket, Taking Biggest Jump Ever

Oil prices had their biggest-ever jump on Friday, after a senior Israeli politician raised the specter of an attack on Iran and the dollar fell against the euro.

The gains on Friday capped a second day of strong gains on energy markets, and fueled suspicions that commodities might be caught in a speculative bubble.

Oil futures surged $8.81 a barrel, up about 6.5 percent, to $136.60 on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Friday's rise followed a 5.5 percent jump on Thursday.

Even as uncertainties abound about the fundamentals of the market, geopolitical tensions in the Middle East regained center stage after Israel's transportation minister, Shaul Mofaz, said Friday that an attack on Iran's nuclear sites looked "unavoidable." Iran is the second-largest oil producer within the OPEC cartel and any interruptions in its exports could push prices higher levels.

Posted by: Loomis | June 6, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Small addendum to the cleaning quiz...which I am not taking. AT All. EVER.

Everything I learned about cleaning I did not learn from my mommy even though she tried really hard to jam it into my brain.

Posted by: dr | June 6, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Laughing a lot, dr. No, I'm not going near that quiz either.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 6, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Loomis, why don't you run off and work for McCain? I'm sure he'd be happy to have you with your ever-ready intellectual theft and unsourced quotes.

The Auschwitz error is perfectly understandable; it's the most famous camp and one almost every American would name first when thinking of nazi concentration camps. Obama was talking about PTSD in that speech, not teaching history.

He said his great-uncle spent 6 months up in an attic after coming back from helping free a concentration camp, because he was so traumatized by his experiences.

Dachau, Auschwitz, all were the same-- simply dreadful. I would suggest you go read up on your concentration camp history and try and use something called /empathy/ there.

I have a particular link to a Dachau survivor and I find your ever-so-superior upmanship attitude about Nazi concentration camp trivia to be reprehensible.

I also suspect that quite a few other boodlers could say the same regarding empathizing rather than criticizing.

E-m-p-a-t-h-y: the idea that other people have feeling and experiences that don't revolve around you.

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 6, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Just when I thought I'd be bummed out all day I do something stupid to raise my spirits.
I called the bank that holds my car loan and complained that is the 6th of the month and they still haven't taken the car payment out of my account.
I wasn't rude or anything but I'm sure my irritation was evident in my voice.
"But sir" the nice lady said, "your last payment was in May, didn't you notice it was larger than the others?"
Apparently not.
Off to fill everything I can find that'll hold liquid with gas before the price goes up.
And hope that now that I own the beast it doesn't go mams up.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 6, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Bok! Enjoy. Take us all out for Hot Fudge Sundaes.

Here is the last question from Carolyn Hax's chat:

Fluff Question: Soemtimes when I walk down the rows of cubicles in my office, I hear the theme from "Shaft" in my head, and envision that everyone I pass is basking in my coolness as I walk by. Should I see a counselor about this, or just enjoy the moment?

Posted by: College Parkian | June 6, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Boko... way to go! Excellent financial news for you on an otherwise bad-news Friday.

CP... Thanks for posting the Fluff Question. I love it. (Bacon score on Shaft Theme: 1. Son of G's best friend in elementary school's dad played on that record.)

Posted by: TBG | June 6, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse


Bacon number to Chuck Mangione = 1? (help, DLD, YJ, is my math good?)

CP - Chris Vadala - Chuck Mangione

Through Chris, I have BNo=1 to these peeps:

Dizzy Gillespie, Quincy Jones, B.B. King, Chick Corea, Ella Fitzgerald, Aretha Franklin, Placido Domingo, Sarah Vaughn, Natalie Cole, Herbie Hancock, Ray Charles, Henry Mancini, Doc Severinsen, Phil Woods, Joe Lovano.

Help me, Canockistanis: How do I connect through your dear persons to Neil Young.

Posted by: College Parkian | June 6, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Loved that Fluff question.

Because of martooni's post on the last Kit I have had Edgar Winter's "Frankenstein" running through my head.

This would explain all the pitchforks.

Posted by: RD Paoduk | June 6, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

CP.. I thought you had a BN of 1 with Neil Young?

I may be mistaken--and certainly NOT trying to take anything away from your absolute coolness--but I think if you're connected through someone, your BN is 2, no?

Which is still WAY COOL.

Posted by: TBG | June 6, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Boko... too funny! Enjoy your unexpected riches.

Posted by: Kerric | June 6, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh my god, TBG, I forgot. I was in his basement circa 1980 with the model rail road association.

I am breathing still. But carefully. Get me some smelling salts and the fainting couch.

Posted by: College Astoundian | June 6, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I can give him a message, CP.

Posted by: Yoki | June 6, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

CP... I'm sure at least one of the individuals on your list has a direct connection with Mr. Young, so the worst Bn you should have would be 3.

Posted by: Kerric | June 6, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

BNo to Neil Young = 2.

Oh Yoki, such frosting of adorableness you have now, with such a fine grain and crumb of cupcake always there.

My joy is complete.

Posted by: College Parkian | June 6, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Kerric, now you are talking a veritable web of connections.

Posted by: College Parkian | June 6, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Hi, all. Just thought I'd drop in and kill the boodle. I just want to be loved!

To all who did not know: it was son of G. who invented cheese-filled pizza crust. How's that for degrees of separation? Scoffers need not apply. I know that all great ideas come from somewhere, and in this case, it was Son.

The cleaning quiz was composed by a slacker who was drunk. It bears no relation to reality.

Posted by: Jumper | June 6, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse


Those are all Bacon numbers of 2: Your friend, Chris Vadala + the celebrity in question.

I worked with a guy who was childhood friends with John Goodman. John showed up for his wedding that I went to. Even though I talked to the on-screen Fred Flintstone, I still count that as a BN of 2: my coworker + John.

TBG's example could be a 1 if she knows the dad or a three if they have never met: Son + friend + friend's dad.

A blogger I know (that is now a lawyer) used to work with Rick Rubin as well as several other celebrities. The number of Order 2 Bacon Numbers that gives him is enormous.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 6, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm deeply traumatized this afternoon. I somehow missed the news that Desson Thomson took the buy-out. I've had a huge crush on him since he made reference to Platonic Forms in a chat a couple of weeks ago.

I'm in real pain!

Posted by: Yoki | June 6, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

The Bacon game bores me. Let's change the rules. Make sex the only link that counts. It would be simultaneously more difficult, due to admirably chaste holdouts - the faithful - in a sea of promiscuity; and the circumspect - in a sea of JerrySpringerism; and infinitely more interesting.

And it would make my infuriatingly Republican brother's handshake with Nixon unremarkable.

Posted by: Jumper | June 6, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

A Bn of 1 for CP? Oh my. Does that give me an imaginary Bn of 2?

Posted by: Kerric | June 6, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

CP, if it was *you* walking down the cubicles of my office, you would, indeed, be the coolest person around. You could bask in the knowledge of that fact, without having to seek professional help.

BTW, I wasn't able to get to see the boss last night, when my family and I went to the WaPo building for my daughter to receive her Herb Block Scholarship award. I couldn't get past the security guard. He wouldn't even call the boss. In fact, he had never even heard of him. Big sigh. The awards ceremony was nice enough, though, and that was the reason we were there. My youngest makes her papa proud.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | June 6, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I once slogged beer in Blind River, Ontario were half the town claims to know someone who met Neil Young. Can such prodigous tipplers/lousy tippers be trusted?
You be the judge.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 6, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Bacon number to William the Conqueror: 1
Bacon Number to Francis Bacon: 1
Bacon number to Hormel bacon: 0

Jumper number (that's a Bacon number modified by Jumper's rule adaption at 3:47) to Dolley Madison: 1 (damned woman couldn't keep her hands off of me, said I was taller than her husband).

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 6, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

This is cute but oddly disturbing, wouldn't you say, 'Mudge?


Posted by: Scottynuke | June 6, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Modified Bacon number from Jumper to Cyndi Lauper: 4 to 5 - but I can't prove it. Danged circumspect friends! Then again, I admire that reluctance. That's why the respect maintains the friendships.

Posted by: Jumper | June 6, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Boko implies I am a prodigious tippler? Who told on me? However, I am a generous tipper.

Posted by: Yoki | June 6, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I got a pretty small list of people that have Jumper numbers at all. Gotta forfeit.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 6, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Ya know, Scotty, I wouldn't find it all that surprising if an airline would actually try doing that.....

Posted by: Kerric | June 6, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Kerric, I connect to you through Boodle-ether and the "Flashing Needles" also known as DR :)

Yoki, "platonic forms" melt-away words, surely.

Don, now I am thinking of all the strut through the cubicles soundtracks:

Saturday Night Fever by the Bee Gees, would be one.

Boogy Woogy Bugle Boy might work?

Me, I guess I would amble through the cubicles to

Sunny Side of the Street. Willie Nelson's version is pretty good stuff.

Off to the teen "sedan delivery" work of the day. Good kids; LAST DAY OF SCHOOL.

Posted by: College Parkian | June 6, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Kerric, it sure wouldn't be at $2.25 a pound, that's for sure! *L*

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 6, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Hhhmmmm, this talk of imagninary Bacon Numbers is giving me a headache:

Posted by: omni | June 6, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, re: your 4:00, that's (one of) my alma mater. I'm so proud. Jeez.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 6, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

We love you Jumper, we really really love you!

uh, well, uh, speaking for myself anyhow...


Posted by: DLD | June 6, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Funny, the last time I used the phrase Platonic Forms with a woman, I got slapped.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 6, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Imaginary lover numbers would be easy to determine. And that gives me an Atlanta Rhythm Section tune cootie.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 6, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Imaginary lover numbers. Jeez, at my age, that could run into...a couple dozen.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 6, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Talk about your delayed reaction. It took the Boodle two days to warm to the Imaginary Bacon Number - (i)BN - for imaginary boodle friends. But I'm glad ya'll seem to enjoy it. Was it too obvious or too obscure? Now that I am forgetting things, my mind makes some odd connections sometimes.

omni, thats it! The funny thing is, Imaginary Numbers are... real.


Posted by: DLD | June 6, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Imply? Moi? I thought I inferred, but then, I could never keep them straight.
Ever go tippling/dancing at the Harmonic Tavern, Yoki?
Or smelting in Spanish?

Posted by: Boko999 | June 6, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

(i)LN = ∞.

Only a theory, of course. There is no proof.


Posted by: DLD | June 6, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The nomenclature for complex Bacon numbers is too confusing. I guess my Bacon number to Rick Rubin is 1+i.

In sixth grade I asked my science teacher what the square root of i was. He researched the answer but I didn't understand it until college when we were studying the polar representation of the complex number plane.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 6, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

No, and I can hardly credit it. I didn't think there was a low pub anywhere in the region I hadn't been in at one time or another.

Posted by: Yoki | June 6, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Mmmmmmmmmmm.... imaginary bacon... agllllggalalaaaahh....

Posted by: Kerric | June 6, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod writes:
Dachau, Auschwitz, all were the same-- simply dreadful. I would suggest you go read up on your concentration camp history and try and use something called /empathy/ there.

Psst, Wilbrod, pretty sure I Boodled about my visit to Dachau. I find your 2:56 p.m. remark to be totally off-the-wall, just about as off-the-wall as you calling Texas, a month or so in advance, for Obama---showing that you didn't know your gee from your haw. No journalist in his or her right mind would do that.

As far as "working for McCain," I'm just sitting here biding my time, watching the campaign play itself out. I've just come from watching Wolf Blitzer on CNN. Appears the Republican party has a new website, Think I'll mosey over...just to take a look, since it was mentioned by a member of the BPTOT. *l*

Posted by: Loomis | June 6, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

According to my little desktop toolbar weather thingie, it is now officially 90FF (effin' Fahrenheit for anyone who missed the memo), feels like 93FF, with relative humidity at 41%.

I may have to go buy more beer because I'm actually considering mowing the lawn tonight and we all know how important it is to stay hydrated.

I'm also considering just crashing on the back porch with a book and a big fan. What I would give for a can of liquid nitrogen with a spray nozzle right now...

Posted by: martooni | June 6, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Loomis, all this time and you still think most people *read* much less bother to *remember* your posts?

Posted by: CC | June 6, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Hello, hello, friends. I am so late to the discussion, and don't have much to add.

Mudge, I read your piece in the last kit about RFK, and for a White dude, you rock. Fantastic explaination, and so on point.

The temp here is 99 or 100, and a heat index of 104. The g-girl and I are staying in, just too hot to ride in that car that does not have air conditioning. And it is suppose to be even hotter tomorrow.

I'm drinking lots of water and feet look like bricks. Probably winning one battle, and losing another.

I have one question about the kit. What's the point of giving the folks a trial at Guantanamo when we know they're not going anywhere? Are we fooling ourselves or trying to fool someone else? Perhaps it is a "feel good" gesture?

And gas. What can I say about gas? I've run out of words. I spent close to my last dollar yesterday buying gas. I know I'm going to have to give up something just to survive. I'm eating at the soup kitchen now, only two days. They're only open two days. I know the President probably doesn't buy gas for his car, but does he know what we're paying for gas? Does he look at the news? Or ride through the city some times? Just notice the price of gas while riding?

I wish someone in America would come up with a form energy that cars can use, and blow gas right off the map. You know, put OPEC out of business.

I don't work, but I can imagine folks that work are really catching it. And on that note, try to have a good day.

Posted by: cassandra s | June 6, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Kerric, you're a brave man to annoy a mother who's reputed to be armed with large flashing needles. My Mum was a terror with the yard stick. When she was really PO'd she'd dazzle us with her edge work. Much running around, laughing.

CP. Sundaes all round indeed.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 6, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

The only point that I can see behind the trials, cassandra, is to pay lip service to human rights and law. Beyond that it's all just a farce.

Posted by: Kerric | June 6, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Luckily enough for me, Boko, my mildly warped sense of humor comes from my mother, so she probably (I hope) giggled when she read that. If not, well, lets just say there's a reason I can run as quickly as I can...

Posted by: Kerric | June 6, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

That should be *am able to run as fast as I do...*

Sigh*, I used to be somewhat skilled at basic grammar.

Posted by: SCCric | June 6, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone mentioned that today is the 64th anniversary of D-Day. I would just like to Thank all veterans who ever served for keeping our country free and safe. During this time of war and uncertainty,most veterans seem unappreciated by some people.But to me you guys are the Best!!!

Posted by: greenwithenvy | June 6, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that was special when Obama did pick up more delegates in Texas and won Nebraska by 3%.

Still, I never said Obama would win Texas.

February 9, 2008 On "Thank God Mike Gravel's Still Running" I actually said THIS:

" Prediction: With a rating of 100% from the HSUS, Clinton would not be the Democratic candidate of choice in Nebraska, NOR in Texas. "

I cannot take credit for saying Obama will win Texas-- that goes to Ivansdad right before the Texas primary.

"Ivansdad returned from San Antonio and flatly stated that Obama will win Texas.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 4, 2008 10:27 AM"

Ah yes, "I've visited plantations so I know what it's like to be a slave or slave-owner." How... simplistic.

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 6, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, I was sad to see Desson Thomson go too. I think he may still do occasional reviews for the Post.

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 6, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

LL says: "...just about as off-the-wall as you calling Texas, a month or so in advance, for Obama---showing that you didn't know your gee from your haw. No journalist in his or her right mind would do that."

I don't believe Wilbrod has ever claimed to be a journalist.

And I guess I also miss your obtuse point, because if I've done my math correctly, Texas did go to Obama: 99 delegates to Hillary's 94, between the primary and the caucuses.

Posted by: TBG | June 6, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra... when you asked "Are we fooling ourselves or trying to fool someone else?" regarding Gitmo, I think this administration is trying to do both.

On the one hand, they're trying to fool themselves into believing what they did was necessary and right (as opposed to convenient and righteous). On the other, I think they're trying to fool the citizenry (and the world) into believing the same, but also that all the lives and treasure spent in the effort was worth it.

If there were a third hand (and I would guess this administration has several hidden under the table), they're on a desperate search for scapegoats and "evildoers" to flip the blame on and justify their actions (and inactions).

In other words, the only reason for this trial is that a bunch of big wussies who like to talk tough and let other people fight their battles don't have the cajones to fess up to their mistakes want to cover their unrepentant arses and they're willing to make a joke of "American justice" to do it.

Posted by: martooni | June 6, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

It's a beautiful day here for a change--the wind and cold yesterday blew away all the cloudy, dank air. One can clearly see the pink and green on the mountains (and the snow).

Regarding gas prices, my hope is that as we all drive less prices will eventually drop. Plus I read the end result may be we stop importing so much stuff and produce more on our own soil (besides corn, of course). Whatever, we are all gonna be forced to slow down a bit. Fancy that!

Cassandra, wish I could send you food. So sorry for your struggles. We all have to stick together.

Posted by: eidrib | June 6, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Kerric, you know how it is. You can run but you can't hide.

Just sayin.

Posted by: dr | June 6, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra, I've been seeing two separate documentaries that indicate we have enough natural gas in the Gulf of Mexico and in the Bermuda triangle (NC-Florida coast) to run our civilization for like 300 years.

But getting it out under the ocean will be tough and possibly put the surrounding environment at risk.

Some people suggest that methane bubbles may be responsible for the shipwreck as well as airplane downing frequency in that area, and they have done experiments that prove that either event is completely possible as a result of methane. For instance, less than 0.1% atmospheric methane can be enough to cut out an old-fashioned airplane's combustion engine.

However natural gas pumped tomorrow to replace gas or coal for electricity wouldn't reverse global warming.

Today they were saying on the news that 47 TRILLLION dollars will be needed to build the infrastructure of 1400 nuclear plants and thousands of windmill turbines to meet the goal of cutting our greenhouse emissions by 50% by 2100.

We do have a lot of green technology being developed, but we will actually need to sink money to build the infrastructure to use them.

It's kind of like having a great idea for a road surface that won't get muddy, lumpy, uneven, and cause injury, but not being able to get it widely used because nobody wants to pay to pave roads when they can just go along with raddled wagon tracks instead. The free market economy won't be able to build the infrastructure solo.

The internet, heck, that was an outgrowth of government stuff, not free market stuff, even if businesses did build the components, it took the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency to develop the forerunners.

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 6, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

To paraphrase Edward R Murrow, this probably isn't going to help anything, but here goes.

In my opinion, Ms. Loomis, the problem is that you are not effective.

If your intention is to educate, you have failed.

If your intention is to inspire, you have failed.

If your intention is to persuade, you have most certainly failed.

Where you have succeeded, brilliantly, is in managing to insult and vilify, at one time or another, pretty much every person in this boodle.

To be effective as a journalist, which is what you clearly fancy yourself to be, one must earn the respect of the readers. And I suggest that your strategy of aggressive alienation does not contribute to this goal.

While well-behaved women might seldom make history, this does not make a virtue of behaving poorly.

The sad thing is that you have so thoroughly poisoned the well that even when you do contribute pleasant, or at least rational, postings they are viewed as one might an abusive spouse who suddenly comes home with flowers.

Now, let me finish by stating that, so long as you abide by the rules of WaPo, I defend your right to be here.

And yet given the obvious effort and time you are devoting to your posts and your complete and total failure to accomplish anything remotely positive, I must ask why.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 6, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead, Wilbrod... blame the methane. Everybody blames the methane.

It's the easiest gas to pick on, probably because it's so prevalent and... um... fragrant.

And in elevators and other encloses spaces, they always blame someone else for its release -- and that someone is usually older and wearing Bermuda shorts and dark socks.

Coincidence? Or... conspiracy?

Where the hell is Leonard Nimoy when you need him?!

Posted by: martooni | June 6, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra, you pose an excellent question:

"...have one question about the kit. What's the point of giving the folks a trial at Guantanamo when we know they're not going anywhere? Are we fooling ourselves or trying to fool someone else? Perhaps it is a "feel good" gesture? "

I have to confess that all day I've hoped some lawyer-type -- surely we have a few floating around here, yes? -- would explain what's going on with this trial, how it is or isn't Constitutional, what the precedents are, what kind of appellate process would be in place, etc....I just don't understand what's happening. I'm with you on that Cassandra.

Now, heading home...hope everyone has a great weekend.

Posted by: Achenbach | June 6, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of lawyers and their absence on the Boodle as of late, I hope Ivansmom is ok. Lots of tornadoes and storms in her area. Hope she's hunkered down and has power (of the electrical variety).

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 6, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Geez. Late to the party again. I've just caught up on three days of backboodle (fine Kits, Joel) and find I've missed a lot. RD, I think your recent post expresses things very nicely on the Loomis front.

Joel, I wish I could explain the proceedings at Guantanamo, but almost everything you ask has only a question in response. One certainty - there are no precedents. Is it constitutional? Nobody knows. So far their Supreme Court record is bad, but they keep trying. What appellate procedures are in place? I'm not sure but I think the Supremes aren't letting go of these issues. They tried hard to take it out of the lower federal court system entirely so that may be it.

Why are we doing it? A lot of people in this government still believe in the rule of law and want it followed. At least some people seem to think the rule of law shouldn't apply where it is inconvenient but recognize the importance of window-dressing. Many of us would say there is precious little Rule of Law in these proceedings. I will say, a lot of good military attorneys have thrown their careers away actually defending the Guantanamo detainees.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 6, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

RD... as I said in a recent post to Mudge, if I ever make my way down to the DC area again in this lifetime (I'm assuming you're in that neck of the woods) I will gladly buy you a drink.

In fact, I'll buy they whole dang Boodle a drink (and Joel, too) if I ever get back down there.

*this is a definite possibility, btw... business is relatively good and we've got a Little Bean here who needs her rapidly expanding sponge of a mind to be filled with cultural and historical and scientifical (word?) stuff that can only be found in the DC area. We may have to settle for the Carnegie in Pittsburgh this summer -- dang gas prices -- but DC is on the eventual itinerary.

Posted by: martooni | June 6, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, mostlylurking. The storms all missed us (mostly). We had terrible terrible winds for three days, and yesterday a lot of power lines were knocked down, but we escaped that too.

I've been at a great conference, the 21st Soveriegnty Symposium. It is one of the premier legal and cultural events for Native American issues, and immediately precedes the Red Earth Native American Cultural Festival which opens today. I haven't been yet since today is also the Boy's birthday. Consequently I will be off again here soon for celebratory dinner.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 6, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

GUANTANAMO BAY - A United Nations committee has reprimanded the U.S. for trying Omar Khadr for war crimes and detaining hundreds of children in Iraq and Afghanistan, when international law requires that they be rehabilitated.
Khadr, who was 15 when he was shot and captured in Afghanistan in 2002, and Afghan detainee Mohammed Jawad are on trial here for allegedly attacking U.S. troops.
Their trials are believed to be the first war crime prosecution of juveniles, which civil rights groups warn will set a dangerous precedent.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 6, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday to the Boy Ivansmom!

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 6, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse


Ask him to pop in and say 'hey' tonight for greetings from the Birthday Bunny...


Posted by: TBG | June 6, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I second that Happy Birthday.

I'll add that they only get happier as time goes on because you learn you can't always expect to be there for them and when you find yourself having another... well... you can be four years old again for a day and everyone will be nice to you (or else).

So is The Boy still experimenting with multi-colored duct tape?

Posted by: martooni | June 6, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

THANKS u all r great!!!
I hope you guys all are doing well... again THNX and cyas! =D

Posted by: The Boy | June 6, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Happy, happy birthday to The Boy. And TBG, you are a true artist of the keyboard. I'm impressed.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | June 6, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Too bad you can't capture that and use it to heat your house, Martooni, eh? Some farmers are already using their cattle in that way.

The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), a privately funded nonprofit organization with an former PETA vice president as its current leader, has been trying to railroad legislation in many states to regulate the livestock or pet industry, never mind they have zilch farm or livestock expertise. This is a violation of nonprofit rules, and many people are saying the IRS needs to look at their status as they are doing significant political lobbying with funds supposedly intended for animal welfare. At this point, I regard them as a 501(c) con.

The HSUS has lobbied against pig gestation crates as cruel EVEN though piglets lack brown fat to help warm themselves. Thus, they must be in a warm den-like environment to maintain warmth or they will die within hours of birth-- unlike most other mammals.

Recently, they targeted Florida for a pig gestation crate ban, mostly because it lacks a major pig industry, figuring it'd be easy to pass. They also backed Congressman Shays' introduction of the "Farm Animal Stewardship Purchasing Act" in 2006, which would require the government to refuse to buy from any supplier that used gestation crates, etc.

As of this point, it has died in the Subcommittee on Livestock and Horticulture, presumably because these people actually know one end of a cow from the other, or at least have been shown a diagram to help them understand.

The NAIS (National Animal Identification System) also had a lot of small livestock farmers up in arms, not just the Amish. It's seen as Orwellian. Organic farmers are concerned that it is ineffective and injected ID is not organic.

As of January 1, 2008, it became mandatory. If you own just one farm animal (even as a pet)-- and this includes duck, horses, etc... you could fall under NAIS. At this point NAIS excludes dogs, cats, and rabbits, but this is not guaranteed to last. The USDA says registration is "voluntary" on its site.

Because of the freedom of information act, some people highly fear that their small operations could be targeted by animal rights activists if their operations are listed in a national database.

So yes, I couldn't see many people in livestock industries saying, "yeah, I'll vote for somebody who has a 100% track record of voting how HSUS wants her to."

Posted by: Wilbrod. | June 6, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Happy birthday! Remember, don't spend all your birthday money on Shakespeare.

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 6, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

You know what irks me about much of the coverage of the Lake Tangjiashan (the newly-created lake of waters impounded by an landslide into a river during the recent China earthquake) situation? The height of the "dam" is seldom mentioned. I'm seeing regular mentions of the vast amount of water (nearly 300 million cubic yards), but that's only part of the problem.

Lake Okeechobee can hold over 5 billion cubic yards of water, but at an average depth of only nine feet and a surrounding topography which could do little to channel the water into forceful currents, if it suddenly burst its banks, the destruction would definitely be of the slow-motion rising-water sort. As horrific as the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina has been, there weren't all that many deaths from raging waters.

I gotta feeling that the Tangjiashan situation is rather more acute.

Posted by: Bob S. | June 6, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

It is the Boy's birthday! Nice to see you here, Boy. Many happy returns of the day.

Does this mean we can now call you "The Adolescent?" hee hee. Hope your mother doesn't catch this post.

Posted by: Yoki | June 6, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday young sir.
The horizon is moving up here now but it's still getting hotter, v. unpleasant.
I checked the robin's nest when I put the mower away. The last time I looked there were 2 eggs and 1 chick. Now there're 4 chicks, which seems kinda strange for some reason. If I was doing it I'd lay the 4 eggs at once instead of laying 3 then waiting for one to hatch before laying the last one. But then, I can't fit in the nest.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 6, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I just love Boko999! That was truly funny.

Check out the size of the chicks. Are one or two rather large and a sort of horrid purple colour?

Posted by: Yoki | June 6, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod... I always try to use my powers for good, but that's a tough one.

I do like baked beans and cabbage (not together, of course), but the idea of having some sort of tube attached to my... umm... chute... in order to collect my... umm... emissions... well... let's just say I would do it for society's sake, but I would rather pay the projected $7/gallon than have that methane collection rig hanging off my bum.

But now that I think of it, Mudge's famous blue bottom would be nothing compared to that.

We had the "Boy in the Bubble"... I could be the "Boy Who Not Only Bubbles, but Heats His House and Fuels His Mini-Van on a Single Can of Legumes and Determination".

That hot smart girl that does the financial news for MSNBC (Erin?) would be all over me.

(in my dreams)

Speaking of which...

Peace out, my friends. May tomorrow not knock you in the head, pee in your Wheaties or otherwise ruin your day when you wake up to the irritating chirping of birds who should know better than to chirp before 10am. Especially on a Saturday.

Posted by: martooni | June 6, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

The name Sichuan were the quake lake is located translates as "The Four Circuits
of the Rivers and Gorges" so it doesn't sound likeit's too flat. Also for a landslide to be able to block a river one would think that it's blocking a narrow river passage.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 6, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

happy birthday to the Boy ivansmom!
today is also mom of mo's birthday - she always says it's a d-day birthday... she wants to go camping in delaware so i guess i'm going to be sweating it out this weekend.

RD - tho those words most definitly fell on deaf ears/eyes... she refuses to see what she really is and how people really truly see her (tho i remember the cops have been called on her quite a few times, no?) i absolutely applaud what you wrote! succinct, to the point and reeking of TRUTH! and well written to boot

'tooni - that would so totally ROCK if you came to DC!!
which again begs the question TBG brought up - um...

Posted by: mo | June 6, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Back atcha Yoki. It was hard to tell their relative sizes but you've described the colour to a T. Looks like someone would after kicking a Hells Angel's bike over.
I took photos but forgot to set the camera to 'close up'. I'll try again tomorrow and put the pics up on flicker.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 6, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

That's Hilarious:

"They are declared to be enemies of the United States, but will be given classified information because it'll be used as evidence against them and they're acting as their own attorneys (while seeking the death penalty for themselves)."

I guess that's what happens when you are "Brought To Justice...

A Summer BlockBuster Starring Chuck Norris and George W Bush"

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

"Now, about my torturing. Did I mention that I was tortured? OK, sorry about that. I meant to say that, though I was tortured... OH, sorry.

Yes, torture, I tell you. Torture. Then, they made us sit down. It was awful"

But better than being in a same sexual marriage.

Posted by: Chuck Norris | June 6, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

"Ask Not... What your country can do for you...

But, What your country can do for Israel."

(for instance, bombing Iran)

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
George W McSame, in front of AIPAC

Posted by: W (it stands for women, you know) | June 6, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Boko - Of course it is. I was just pointing out that the media reports would be giving a more accurate picture of the dangers here if the actual depth of the lake was cited. News reports have been in the habit of mentioning the the volume of water impounded (as mentioned above, nearing 300 million cubic yards) and a water level of well over 700 meters.

That's just sloppy reporting, as the 700+ meters figure refers to the elevation above sea level. (At least, it better!) I think that the depth of the lake is somewhere around 40-50 meters. That's still gonna be a horrendously catastrophic flood if it goes all at once, but not quite the mind-bogglingly apocalyptic vision of a 2300-foot wall of water!

Posted by: Bob S. | June 6, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

The Boy

Happy, happy, Birthday, and enjoy it to the max.

I did not mean to make the boodle feel bad about my situation. I was talking out loud, and really on a rant about the gas. I am doing okay, it's just that so many people suffer and I feel bad for me and them.

I know I sound like a broken record, but you do have a way with words.

Mudge, hope I didn't insult you with my comment. It was an off-hand compliment, perhaps not stated well.

I don't believe the President is going to send out more checks, so what is he going to do about the way things are going?

Time for bed. Night boodle. Sweet dreams.

Posted by: cassandra s | June 6, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse


It is suppose to be 103 here tomorrow. I doubt seriously if the birds will be singing in this place.

Posted by: cassandra s | June 6, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

OK, so not to make any particular Boodler feel bad, but I still don't understand the moaning about petrol prices. Everywhere in North America we pay far far below market price to fill up. I'm thinking somewhere around $4.50 a litre (roughly $17 a gallon) is more like it. Why are we all willing to pay the true cost for...

Never mind.

Posted by: Yoki | June 6, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

You're right as usual Bob. It shouldn't be too hard to give a proper description of the dimensions of the lake.
I wish when the media reported shifts in market prices they gave a percentage drop/rise as well as saying the market dropped/rose 300 points or whatever. If you don't know the total value of the market knowing it droped x points is meaningless.

Goodness, I can't tell if that makes sense.
Smart boy needed.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 6, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

lol mo...

btw... I've got a super secret door in the works shaped like summat an undead type Wee with very sharp teeth would sleep in during the daylight hours. I seem to remember you might kinda sorta be interested in those things. Let me know...

In related news... I think I may have inadvertently created an imp or gremlin door (and forgot to put a lock on it). Crazy strange guano happenin' and of course I can't blame myself.

I'm thinking of hiring the guys from that SciFi show "Ghost Hunters" or whatever it's called to plant some cameras around my shop and see if it's really angry little Wees turning things upside down or just a sleepwalking/overworked/half-in-the-bag martooni.

If only those gosh-darned elves would take my offer and come work for me instead of the Fat Man with his fancy red suit... I mean, WTF... he don't even pay for dental! And he's got a freakin' elf on staff who *wants* to be a dentist and would probably do the job for free.

Must be them Northern Lights messin' with their brains...

Posted by: martooni | June 6, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

psst! Boko! You can calculate the dollar value of stock market changes if you remember simply this, "Spanish Doubloons."

Or if you mastered the New Math and can calculate in Base 8.

Posted by: Yoki | June 6, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Happy birthday to Ivan! I hope it has been a delightful one.

Dottir #1 will be 26 on Sunday. I swear, I have no idea how that has happened. Her SO is in for the weekend and fixed Chateaubriand for us for dinner. Yum.

Thank you for your inspired words, RD.

Cassandra, our forecast is for 102 tomorrow. Stay cool.

Posted by: slyness | June 6, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh jeebers, what did I start. I just checked in, and it seems everyone is on Boodle with the (i)

We've had on Kit

We've had on Boodle

But I really don't think <it>I've</it> ever started anything like it...

All week long I thought you were ignoring me. Then this?

Won't anybody comment on the Bleeding Bambi dress.

Sigh, I guess we are all geek. Not a Fashionista amongst us (Not that I am, It's just such a cool dress).

I kid...

Love and Peace

A good answer for a 'scholarship' contest:

MC: If you could have one wish, what would it be?

BQ: 'World Love'

And now I'm tearing up again. The Beauty Queen from Fantasy World takes the Tiara. And the Bouquet. And turns down the Scholarship, and gives it to the runner-up, cause She already has a Master's Degree in LOVE

more tears...

(Silly enough martooni, or just to much Cabernet Sauvignon???

That really should have been two posts (or maybe three, but the BOT is mean)

Kept trying, and trying and...


and mean

Posted by: omni | June 6, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Yoki - Well, you've put your finger on it. Petrol is, in fact, relatively inexpensive here. When over 30% of the vehicles on the road are trucks (or SUV variants) carrying single occupants, and when virtually all vehicles on the road are so over-powered that they can accelerate to around 160 kilometers/hour within ten seconds or so, then petrol is quite obviously not very expensive.

Posted by: Bob S. | June 6, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

omni - I LOVED the Bambi dress. I thought you were one of the commenters on the Celebritolgy blog.

Posted by: Bob S. | June 6, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

of COURSE i'm interested 'tooni! anything dark and spooky is my "bag" baby!

(remember i collect things in the shape of coffins... weird, i know...)

Posted by: mo | June 6, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Hello, Omni? I see the imaginary Jumper number has taken your fancy.

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 6, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Ah, after 2 days of power outage from Wednesday's storm on the East coast, AIR CONDITIONING! What a bargain for an extra $5 a day! Adds up though.

Martooni, if you ever decided to visit the DC area, it would definately be cause for a PBH. Little Dean will get older and a "cultural "experience" is inevitable. Daddy won't deny her, just too tough to do.

On topic: My fear with the US government in the direction that it's taking is that it's getting more and more oppressive and under political interpretations, the laws are becoming more and more ambiguous, not to mention punitive. the more the citizens follow the law, the more the laws become oppressive. Is it my imagination, or is our nation geing progressively governed by fear?

Posted by: DandyLion | June 6, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Also the day Churchill's son died

Not on Kit. Barely on Boodle. But there you have it.

Carl Jung

Posted by: omni | June 6, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's your imagination, Dandylion. I wish it were.

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 6, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

A poem I've been reading, and rereading since Thursday. It and the poet are new to me.

Emergency Kit
Tanure Ojaide

When I find myself among a laughing tribe,
I know they hide something from me;
I conjure up a laughter box whose button I press
to outlaugh them all. As long as they hear their music,
they leave me free; I don't want to surrender all I have.
I am a moving stump in the forest of men
and if I stray into a towering company, those
more than a kilometre from the undergrowth,
I release stilts from my soles; I don't want to be
looked down upon by the very top ones.
I collapse the long legs when I step into where
giants are the required offerings of the gods of the race.
I have a lifesaver installed in my body
just in case I am knocked into some deep river;
unless I come out alive, I will be declared evil--
who ever wants his adversary to have the last word on him?
So when a hunter stalks me to fill his bag,
I call on my snake from nowhere to bite him.
Folks, let's drink ourselves to death in the party
as long as we wear sponges in the tongue;
let's stay awake in our unending dream so that nobody
will take us for gone and cheat us out of our lives.

Posted by: frostbitten | June 6, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Concerning oil prices, this is interesting:

Posted by: slyness | June 6, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm on the CBlog only occasionally Bob S., when I can get my snark up (byoolin is the the resident master methinks (inside joke maybe???))

OK, now I seem to be Boodling backwards.

Let me take a break to watch an episode of B5

I'll try too catch up again when it's not too hot (98FF)

And in the martooni spirit: One F is Fahrenheit, the other is...

Posted by: omni | June 6, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

and me being dark and spooky HATED the bambi dress - i hate hurting animals... chicken comes in pieces in plastic in the supermarket and never had two legs... (i WAS a vegetarian for 7 years because i hate hurting animals... but the call of the burger was too strong...)

Posted by: mo | June 6, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Padouk, your 6:43 was a lesson in absolute eloquence.

Happy Birthday to the Boy!

Boko... I don't watch the markets hardly at all. Percentiles, points, up, down, it's all ελληνικά to me.

Posted by: Kerric | June 6, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

mo - I'm reasonably certain that no deer were injured in the making of the dress! (Or the making of the film "Bambi", for that matter.)


Posted by: Bob S. | June 6, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Very interesting! Is that from 3quarksdaily?

I looked him up and this bio has some samples of further poetry.

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 6, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, I somehow instinctively understood the concept in HS. But a look at the Wiki page had me walking to the medicine cabinet for aspirin.

im Old

bc and yello prolly still get it. Mudge was prolly there steering 'em in the right direction.

Me: the only thing I remember is that division by zero is ∞

Kerri, your Imagined Bacon comment cracks me up...

TBG, your bunny is (so) cute. [the parens are suppossed to be italic markers [i just so tired of ...... NOT HAVING ITS]]]]]]

OKay, i'm starting to get silly without trying,seeya tomorrow

Long nap time, other wise known as sleeping
Beddy by

Posted by: omni | June 6, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

KERRIC! how was the canadian bph?

Posted by: mo | June 6, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Slyness-I think Tully is more than a little right about the current oil price spike being the result of a bubble, but this boom will be followed by a bust that doesn't drive prices as low as the last bust in the 80s. But that's what people (voters?) are looking for, not the cost to produce a barrel plus the cushion for profit and capital.

When looking ahead I am particularly concerned about this graf:
"It takes a while to develop new supplies of oil, but the signs of a surge are already in place. Shale oil costing around $70 a barrel is now being produced in the Dakotas. Tar sands are attracting investment in Canada, also at around $70. New technology could soon minimize the pollution caused by producing oil from our super-plentiful supplies of coal."

No, no, no, no. It is time to quit talking only of the cost to produce oil, but to look at the total cost to produce and use. I'm sure CP has a much better handle on this than I, but it seems short sighted to just be looking for new ways to create the old fuel.

Warning-long boring personal connection. Shale oil isn't even new. The good people of ND paid for most of my college education with their shale oil production taxes, and I continued to receive generous tax rebate checks into the mid-80s. Then the bust came, the checks stopped, and shale oil was ignored in favor of "cheaper" oil. Until now.

Posted by: frostbitten | June 6, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod-Yes! it is from 3QD. I had given up on flogging that most interesting blog.

Posted by: frostbitten | June 6, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Hate to boodle hog and run, but the house hunting death march continues bright and early tomorrow. Today we saw 10 units in 4 buildings, similar schedule tomorrow. I pulled the tent out of the garage as a pointed reminder to Mr. F that a decision must be made.

Toodles boodle and fondue.

Posted by: frostbitten | June 6, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking about you today, Frosti. Good luck tomorrow in finding your dream house. Or at least your daydream house. Or maybe just your REM sleep house.

Posted by: TBG | June 6, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Found an interesting Scientific American article on creativity from there.

RIght now the only thing unleashed is my sleep deficit. Night!

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 6, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Sorry mo

I thought you would like the iconic irony

tears again

Hugs, mo???

Posted by: omni | June 6, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

of course HUGS omni! i am sometimes completely obtuse to iconic irony... clearly, i just didn't "get" it...

but then again, i like bats and collect things in the shape of coffins...

Posted by: mo | June 6, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday to Ivan! Glad you guys in OK are, er, ok. (Bet you haven't heard that before!)

HRC is giving her speech tomorrow in the National Building Museum, which our yellojkt has, of course, blogged about:
Maybe they'll try building that arch.

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 6, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Now where did Scotty put the irony detector?

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 6, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

mostly - i'm not sure but it prolly has a doily on it!

Posted by: mo | June 6, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

frosti - I was making the point recently to someone who didn't quite get it: The entire idea of "oil reserves" is a very price-driven concept. What seems like a fairly accurate estimate of the amount of available oil at $25/bbl turns out to be quite an underestimate if you price oil at $200/bbl. There's a heck of a lot of oil out there that nobody's gonna chase unless it pays off.

Likewise, the practicality of producing large amounts of power through alternate means. Various wind/solar/geothermal schemes which seemed pie-in-the-sky with oil at $15-50/bbl are starting to look reasonable.

Oh, and to harp once more on one of my favorite subjects: Once gas gets up to around $15 per gallon, maybe, finally, people will realize that a vehicle capable of slowly accelerating (with a load of two people and some reasonable amount of cargo) to a top speed of around 40 mph is all most of us need, most of the time. If the only folks who regularly drove more powerful vehicles were the folks who actually needed more powerful vehicles, we'd be an oil-exporting nation again.

Posted by: Bob S. | June 6, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

well - toodles me boodle...
i'm off to dream land... and camping this weekend... hope to be boodling on mon!

sweet dreams all!

Posted by: mo | June 6, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Cryptic comment:


Good night.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 7, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Comme aujourd'hui c'est la jour du D-day...
voilà Les Fleurs de la Memoire,

(To this day, honoring the American soldiers who have died at Normandy.)

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 7, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Merci, Wilbrod.

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 7, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Oh Wilbrod, please don't tempt my inner troll like that.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 7, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

rd padouk, your 6:43 pm post to loomis was very much needed.

thanks for expressing the sentiment of pretty much everyone on the boodle.

enough is enough already.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | June 7, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Stories like this are what have me worried about the gas price increase:

Not so much that I have to pay more for gas, but the effect it has on the economy as a whole - which is already not doing well. The chickens are coming home to roost, as they say. Not a good feeling, even though lots of us could see this coming.

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 7, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

This is a lot of fun:

....They go on to quote the following remarkable piece of reasoning by Lacan:

Thus, by calculating that signification according to the algebraic method used here, namely:

S (signifier) = s (the statement),
s (signified)
With S = (-1), produces: s = sqrt(-1)

You don't have to be a mathematician to see that this is ridiculous. It recalls the Aldous Huxley character who proved the existence of God by dividing zero into a number, thereby deriving the infinite. In a further piece of reasoning which is entirely typical of the genre, Lacan goes on to conclude that the erectile organ

. . . is equivalent to the sqrt(-1) of the signification produced above, of the jouissance that it restores by the coefficient of its statement to the function of lack of signifier (-1).

We do not need the mathematical expertise of Sokal and Bricmont to assure us that the author of this stuff is a fake. Perhaps he is genuine when he speaks of non-scientific subjects? But a philosopher who is caught equating the erectile organ to the square root of minus one has, for my money, blown his credentials when it comes to things that I don't know anything about.,824,Postmodernism-Disrobed,Richard-Dawkins-Nature

Posted by: Boko999 | June 7, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

The Sokal hoax was pretty great. I've read stuff every bit as impenetrable, and I'm certain that there was no awareness of the self-parodying aspects of the style.

Posted by: Bob S. | June 7, 2008 2:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure I left it over by the irony board with all the doilies that need ironying...


Belated Happy Birthday Boy! *standing-on-my-head Grover waves (don't try this at home)* I won't tell yer Mom you read this right after I posted it. :-)

Cassandra, perhaps it might help to get together with your neighbors and see what can be done to pool your resources? I hear a burden shared is a burden lessened. *HUGSSSSSSS* :-)

In other news, very odd news actually --

RDP, I believe someone's been mining your Boodle posts for story ideas:

I'll stop now.

*off-to-another-glorious-weekend-of-chores-and-trying-to-stay-cool Grover waves*


Posted by: Scottynuke | June 7, 2008 5:02 AM | Report abuse

Another season of Magic begins today. This time I am playing a red-green warrior deck. I almost know what that means.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 7, 2008 6:53 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. Good morning, daiwanlan. And Scottty, most people aren't like me or perhaps I need to reverse that, but my neighbors or many of my friends won't admit their need. So much of the time people will suffer in silence. And especially seniors. Besides, many folks like to play the blame game, but I don't see how that works with this economy. I think the gas pumps just might "bite" millionares. It's an equal opportunity headache.

Slyness, Mudge, Martooni, where are you folks? Getting that second nap, eh? Morning all.*waving*

The lights went out for a second here. I hope that's not to be the case the rest of the day. We need power and more power for the temps today, and tomorrow.

I wanted to say something witty and inspiring this morning, but cannot seem to find the words. A couple of folks here (Mudge,RD) have said some really good stuff here, and I guess it makes us all want to be better writers. I know I'm not on that list, but the desire is there, if not the ability. I guess the only thing I can add to the conversation is that I think you guys are great bunch of people, and although I haven't met all of you, may be one day.

Time to hit the water. Have a great day, and if it is as warm where you are, as it is here, stay cool.

Posted by: cassandra s | June 7, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Come on cassandra, you know that you inspire us all the time. You have a unique and powerful voice. You write from your heart.

ScottyNuke - I have long ago accepted that the MSM is always stealing my ideas. I have accepted this in the same way that I have accepted that Kate Winslett sends me secret messages of passion in all of her films.

Looks to be a hot one today indeed.

Speaking of heat, I am hopeful that what Senator Clinton has to say will help cool things down.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 7, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

The New York Times has a well-reported story on gardeners attempting to deal with wildlife "pests"--

Posted by: kbertocci | June 7, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' Boodle...

I'm here, Cassandra... somewhat awake even. :-)

I just saw the weather forecast for the DC area -- ouch! We don't normally see 98FF here in NE Ohio until July or August, though we may hit 92FF today. It's already a very muggy 75FF here at 8am.

If you've never played with sawdust on a hot muggy day, I do not recommend it -- any of you who have will know the fun I'm facing today.

mo... I'll send you a pic as soon as I have the prototype "coffin door" finished (maybe even this weekend). I was pretty sure it was you who was into coffins (not literally, I hope), but sometimes I get my imaginary friends mixed up.

Peace out, babies... :-)

Posted by: martooni | June 7, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

G'morning, all! I hope everyone stays cool and comfortable today.

Frosti, no arguments from here about alternative oil production. The technology that has me fascinated is use of algae to produce oil. I've only seen a couple of stories, but it appears to have much more potential than ethanol from corn. I really have mixed feelings about bursting the oil bubble. On one hand, I absolutely have pain at the pump; on the other, I think high prices are the best way to pave the way for new and better technologies.

Posted by: slyness | June 7, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Morning folks! I came downstairs this morning to find our windows completely fogged up from the heat/humidity outside already.

There's some sort of squiggly lines on the sliding glass doors that look like a wee slimy critter was traversing them during the night.

Keep cool... have fun, all! Frosti... enjoy your house hunting--and the time with Mr F.

Posted by: TBG | June 7, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

G'mornin, all.

Posted by: Bob S. | June 7, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Good morning boodle. I'm usually reading this long after the comments are made, so seldom add anything, but have got a few minutes before I go out to work in the yard. It's going to be hot and humid here later today . Like spring this year, summer is about 2 weeks early.
I find myself agreeing with Slyness-I don't want to see people hurt, but something has got to change or the problems we are seeing right now will be the good old times for our children. Every time I read about more fossil fuel discoveries, be it oil and gas or methane, I cringe. Unless and until something like carbon sequestration becomes a reality, we've got to find a way to slow this runaway freight train of fossil fuel use down. My husband and I are lucky, the gas lines in the 70's made an impression so we tend to get fuel efficient cars. When we needed another car last year, we got a Prius while there was still a tax rebate. We figured that between the rebate and the length of time we keep vehicles, the difference in the price would just about work out. I am *so* glad. My husband, who is 64, was laid off earlier this year, and we are now into what used to be called gentile poverty, or how to keep going on a whole lot less (I work part time). All I can say is, I hope that it also helps the planet.
I figure that Exxon Mobil can rest easy, there will always be a use for petrochemicals, we just don't need to burn them. And maybe we'll get to a point where someone "mines" the plastic floating in the Pacific ocean. It's just getting there is not going to be easy. But if we don't, we're going to have a whole different world. Sort of like Easter Island. And people are not going to change unless they have to, because it takes way more time and effort and a whole new way of thinking. But it's not going to be a Jared Diamond Collapse of just one society, it will be the global society and the disruptions are going to make these problems seem like a cakewalk.
For a starter, how about not only tax rebates (which are only good if you pay taxes), but tax credits for things like installing solar; or changing the laws so that people can install solar panels and sell the excess to the electric company? If I remember correctly (PBS program, probably Now), in most states the law has to change before we could do that. Think of roofs all over the country, making power at the hottest time of the day, when demand it greatest. It's not a big answer, but it would help. And it's doable now, although it would take time (and $) to get the hardware. How about the electric company contracting with homeowners to set up the solar system, and having the cost be paid back by the electricity generated until it was paid off and you owned it? Could this be done more cheaply than building new power plants? Otherwise, only the well off can afford to put in solar systems, and most of the country is getting less and less well-off. And how about putting more funds into taking things like agricultural waste such as pig,dairy or chicken farm runoff and turning it into fuel, instead of pollution. Industry will only do that if it sees a near term payoff. We as a society, in the form of our government, are going to have to do this, the market does not cure everything.
End of rant, I am going to take my irritation out on some very prolific vines (if we could just harness the sun's energy the way they do).

Posted by: km2b | June 7, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Ivan, are you now half-way to 26? Fun to count birthdays thusly until a certain point.

We need these high gas prices to reign in rapacious consumption. However, as always, this is very painful to the those with the least resources.

Hope to swim today. Lord knows it will be hot enough. Glad that this is not a commute day, because heat like this, plus inversion of clouds, plus cars on road = bad asthma days for those "allergic' to ground-level ozone and photo-chemical smog. Plus particulates! Apparently, swimming is good for jiggled ribs. I'll report later on the folly of that.

Stay cool; drink lots of water. Imagine the bluest and greenest vistas you can.

Posted by: College Parkian | June 7, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Happy belated to birthday to yet another of our boodle progeny.

WaPo has an article today about an exhibition that uses knitting as Art.

This link gives me one free pass to discuss military aircraft at some point in the future.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 7, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Nicely said, km2b. I do hope you find some ease with these new pressures. We can always frame a response though, whatever happens. Thank you for your measure of grace and thoughtfulness.

Posted by: College Parkian | June 7, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

YJ! thank you. Paging the other NeedleWoman on this one.

And, you can talk mil-air anytime you like. I must say, however, that when Frosti speaks of her airborne experience, I really perk up.

By the way, I love the B-52s, music that is.

Love Shack or Rock Lobster might help me keep moving today.

Posted by: College Parkian | June 7, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Cassandra, ya caught me: yes, I rolled over and took that second nap. My wife had somewhere to go today and left me to my own devices. Ah, so nice to roll over and go back to sleep. (And no, your comment the other day certainly did *not* offend me, silly girl).

A very limited agenda today: got an appointment to get my eyes checked and a new pair of glasses this morning, and then, one hopes, most of the day free to write.

The lead op-ed today is by a veteran journalist, Jules Witcover, about the importance of the vice presidency (and the abuse Cheney gave it). To tie back into our RFK discussion, there are basically two books that cover RFK's brief run for the presidency in 1968 (or rather, there are lots of books, but two are stellar). One is "85 Days" by the aforesaid Witcover, and the other is "Robert F. Kennedy: A Memoir," by Jack Newfield. Newfield was a veteran New York City reporter who spent 24 years working for the Village Voice, during which time he covered RFK's campaign along with Witcover (and the late great Richard Harwood of the WaPo, who became so close to RFK that he finally had to ask Ben Bradlee to remove him from the beat assignment).

Shortly after RFK's funeral Pierre Salinger put together a book with essays by many different writers, called "An Honorable Profession: A Tribute to Robert F. Kennedy."

Just within the last two weeks, somebody named Thurston Clarke just published "The Last Campaign: Robert F. Kennedy and 82 Days That Inspired America." So far as I can find, the WaPo hasn't reviewed it yet.

OK, gotta run and get new glasses so I can read and write. Also find some chow. Later, peeps.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Planet Claire.

What worries me is that oil prices will get ridiculously high and then crash hard. Another bubble. And bubbles are bad. I want stability. I want oil prices to find a point, even if it is $150 per barrel, and then stay there so the world can adjust.

Nice analysis km2b. For those of us who remember the 1970s there is a sense of deja vu about all of this. I recall many discussions about soft energy paths and getting off the grid. Remember Carter in his sweaters and solar heat for the White House?

Popular Science has a neat article about solar power sats. Believe it or not, this concept was originally used, or so I have read, to justify the Space Shuttle way back when.

Stay cool you residents of the DC Metropolitan area.

And kbertocci. I saw that NYT article about them varmints yesterday.

Poor Peter.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 7, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

And Mudge - yesterday I picked up "Ice Station Zebra" from the free book box at the library. I am sure you are very familiar with it. I read the opening description of the salty sub captain and said to myself, "Hey, I know that guy!"

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 7, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Preview of magazine, WP, story on a dad's stroke.

Written by my friend and colleague Pamela Gerhardt. Link not up yet, but those with delivery may find it with the plastic-pack adverts stuff.

Good. Touching. Knew the story in bits and pieces as it happened over the last 20 months or so.

Get the hankies ready.

Posted by: College Parkian | June 7, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

Been a busy past 24 hours, need to catch up on the Boodle.

I don't *think* I've ever read "Ice Station Zebra," but I've seen the movie several times. It's a good one.

More later, need to think and digest.
And take that second nap, perhaps.


Posted by: bc | June 7, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for pointing to your friend's article about her dad's stroke, CP. Good stuff...

Posted by: TBG | June 7, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

B-52s play Constitution Hall tonight along with Cyndi Laupner and Teagan and Sara, Canada's Finest Twin Lesbian Sister Folk Duo.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 7, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Those of us who recall the 1972 Olympics will always remember this fine gentleman.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 7, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Another take on Hillary

Posted by: CB | June 7, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

CLIP from PGerhardt's WaPo Mag article:

The dementia element bothered us, but right away we knew we were up against a force far more menacing than nursing home cliches: the female problem.

These places are operated by women and, mostly, stocked with women. We were overwhelmed by doilies, potpourri, stuffed bunnies and bears with bows, caged finches, church services, vases of paper poppies, beauty parlors featuring "manicure afternoons." I was reminded of my son's experiences with elementary schools, also organized and run by women, where teachers ask 7-year-old boys to sit at desks all day and read books about ponies. My sister and I consulted each place's activity calendar. Where was poker night? Movie night featuring "Saving Private Ryan" or "Master and Commander"?

Where was the bar?

Sorta boodler-like right?

Doilies, poker, bunnies, Master and Commander....

Posted by: College Parkian | June 7, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse


The link with quotes from Peter Medawar, that brilliant scientist of cutting wit, brought back good memories and settled my summer reading/rereading list, thanks!

For those interested but not familiar with his writings could start with "Memoir of a thinking radish". And "Advice to a young scientist" is wonderful reading for any adolescent.

Posted by: DNA Girl | June 7, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

So is "Ice Station Zebra" about a zebra who escaped from the zoo only to find him (or her) self in the
Arctic? Or Antarctica?

I would imagine that would be one very confused and pissed off zebra, especially if it's a male. Turtle effect and all that.

Who would want a seal laughing at your... umm... "smallishness" due to the cold temps?

km2b... nice rant. Really not a rant, but common sense. To paraphrase the Beatles... "If I Had a Solar Panel"...

It really stinks that your hubby got laid off at 64. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the execs trying to protect their interests. {* holds up "sarcasm" sign *}

Seriously, that *really* stinks.

Back to sawdust land...

Peace out :-)

Posted by: martooni | June 7, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Ice Station Zebra! I read all of McLean's books as a teenager, loved them all.

Lovely piece by your friend, CP. My mother had a stroke 3 years before she died of cancer. We had a different family dynamic than Pam's family, but it struck close to home. I've sent the link to all my siblings because I know they will appreciate it as well. I'm glad that they could salvage their relationship before he died. Very touching.

Guess what! I have 4 'maters on my Celebrity 'mater plant! Yea! Now, the appearance of my first 'maters definitely calls for multiple exclamation points, IMHO!!

Going to a pool party for a couple who got married in Mexico and are now home to celebrate. I am long past the days when I would actually, you know, SWIM at pool parties so I think it's going to be a hot one. I think it's supposed to hit 96 here and it's quite muggy. I am not complaining's all good.

I hope you're all having a lovely weekend.

Posted by: Kim | June 7, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Here's another article on Jim McKay:

Posted by: pj | June 7, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Is the boss the "Joel" mentioned in Weingarten's column in tomorrow's magazine about Gene's massive memory lapses?

"Wife: It was a few years ago. You got a phone call. You talked for 15 minutes. You were laughing, arguing, having a good time. After you hung up, I asked you who you'd been talking to. You couldn't remember. You spent the next 15 minutes walking around in tight little circles, muttering, "Who the hell was I talking to?"

Me: It was Joel. Our conversations are forgettable."

Posted by: pj | June 7, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Also from Weingarten's column, I don't think we should invite The Rib to a BPH:

"Wife: You ordered raw oysters, fried oysters and, finally, an oyster "shooter."

Me: I like oysters.

Wife: I know. And to avoid having to watch you consume that disgusting oyster shooter, I made a huge, terrible tactical error. Do you recall what that was?"

Here's the link to the column:

Posted by: pj | June 7, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Km2b, I'm with you! Very eloquently put. And I do wish you the very best in your circumstances.

I actually work at home; if I have to meet with a client and/or counsel, we just meet at my office, where I rent an office or a conference room for a period of time when we'll be meeting. Exceptionally efficient, and what I pay for the virtual space every month is much less than commuting (including gas (paid >$4.00/gallon this morning), wear and tear on the car *and* monthly parking). My parents were married shortly after the depression and were very mindful of saving and not spending on unnecessaries. While I don't pay off my credit card bills every month (and wish I could), I have become very, very careful about what I buy and when and how.

In this analysis, we're still back to the "how do you boil a frog" analogy: You don't put a frog into boiling water -- it will just jump out again; you put it in cold water and very, very gradually, you raise the temperature, so it gets used to it. Over time the frog is cooked. The spoiled American people are getting cooked and have been getting used to it. Exxon and their cohort oil companies are making bazillions in profits in the meantime.

I, for one, refuse to get cooked. So there!

As for today's and the upcoming week's weather, I am officially looking forward to complaining about winter!

Enjoy your weekend.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | June 7, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I return from the glasses store $272 poorer. The initial tab came to $362, and I gasped, hemmed, hawed, thought about it so long the girl said meekly, "I think I can give you a discount..." and moments later she'd managed to take $90 off.

Very, very sorry to hear about Jim McKay. He was "a sports reporter" but he was sooooooooo much more than a sports reporter. And of course, the Munich Olympics massacre suddenly put him in a place orders of magnitude more important than mere sports, and McKay's coverage was just stunning. I'll never forgot the moment he announced the Israeli athletes were gone. Another very bad day for me.

A belated birthday present/bar mitzvah gift to Ivan:

Forever Young, by Robert Allan Zimmerman:

May God bless and keep you always,
May your wishes all come true,
May you always do for others
And let others do for you.
May you build a ladder to the stars
And climb on every rung,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.

May you grow up to be righteous,
May you grow up to be true,
May you always know the truth
And see the lights surrounding you.
May you always be courageous,
Stand upright and be strong,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.

May your hands always be busy,
May your feet always be swift,
May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift.
May your heart always be joyful,
May your song always be sung,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Welcome, km2b!

I'm still complaining about winter. It's snowing in the mountains, rained cats and dogs yesterday, and the high temperature may get to the mid 50s today. Sigh. I promise not to complain about the heat or the humidity when I'm in DC in late July.

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 7, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

ouch. showed back up again but haven't been able to keep up. i think i'm 3 boodles' behind!! can't really backboodle all of them. i did read this whole one.

martooni -- thanks so much for your eloquent and spot-on contributions about the america i knew and am supposed to be proud of, and the freak-show of today. may we all together somehow find our way back to the ideals this country has represented for 200 years.

gas prices: although i'm glad to see them high -- the prices are changing not only driving habits but creating dinosaurs out of suvs (i like the sense of flow that comes from the high cost of dead dinosauars creating another die-off of big, evolutionary dead-ends like suvs).

i do not like the idea of hunting down each last pocket of carbon-based fuels like some desperate addict drinking out of dry bottles.

would love to see the obama administration usher in an energy program akin to that of jfk's moon program.

i do however, have great concern for the many people in this country who simply cannot afford to fill their cars. and use the cars they must. back to that wonderful book "the geography of nowhere" by william? kunstler.

the american landscape is one where, unless one lives in a dense city, the use of a car is a necessity. grocery stores are miles away from the residential zoned areas. all commercial venues aren't anywhere near the residential ones.

the "new urban" movement isn't enough, and most of what i've seen from down here, it's kinda silly to even give it that name. all the residences are very, very expensive, and the only stores in the developments are upscale. no grocery stores in any of the 3 or more "new urban" developments that have been built in last 10 years.

i also worry about how the economy is going to handle the suddenness of all this. there indeed may be a bubble in oil -- there've been a number of stories about futures trading pushing up the price -- but i don't think it's enough to account for most of the price increase.

the airline industry is reeling. a visit to the grocery store is sticker shock.

cassandra, my heart goes out to you and the so many other americans who are in your position. bless you for making such positive contributions to the boodle when you are in such dire straits.

we need to make huge changes to our way of life -- starting with the way we depend on cars to do everything. changes in zoning laws -- real changes.

changes in the kinds of cars we drive. i saw my first smart car down here in the 'burg the other day. very cool!

but most importantly, we have to have a huge program to develop alternative energies -- and i don't mean ethanol.

kbertocci -- i don't think i could dispatch a woodchuck or a peter rabbit. besides, i know they'd just be back. fortunately, my gardens are all mostly enclosed in stockade fenced backyards.

but i sure do understand the heartbreak of having one's garden ruined. i have to admit, i cheer quietly when my cat catches voles.

it's now 99 degrees with a heat index of 110. supposed to be 104 tomorrow and monday. i don't do well in extreme heat (who does?) -- won't be playing in the garden today. have been watering at nite (i don't function in the morning) and also fertilize at nite.

Posted by: nelson | June 7, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

forgot to put this link in to last post. it's part of david broder's q and a on wapo the other day, and how he thinks clinton should have resigned, and yet the iraq mess is simply a policy dispute. so much for the "liberal media." i love greenwald -- i read him everyday.

Posted by: nelson | June 7, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure that ABC will have a very nice tribute to Jim McKay during their coverage at Belmont today. He loved horse racing and I believe he was part-owner of a horse at one time.

Posted by: pj | June 7, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

oh my -- i also forgot to wish ivan a belated birthday! mudge, your post of dylan's "forever young" wan't until just now (on my computer anyway) -- but thank you for that what a nice gift for the boy. and for all of us.

Posted by: nelson | June 7, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

SCC: Allen, not Allan.

Padouk and Kim, yes, I've read "Ice Station Zebra" I don't know how many times--gotta be six or seven, though. Yes, I devoured every Alistair MacLean thriller, the day each came out. I remember the first one I ever read, "The Secret Ways," which became a Richard Widmark movie. And then a bit later they made this movie from another of his novels when I was in 9th or 10th grade, and "Guns of Navarone" became one of the biggest blockbusters of all time. My mother also read mysteries and thrillers (which is where I got my early influence) and we passed them all back and forth. One of my favorites was probably his least-known early novels, his first, "H.M.S. Ulysses," about a British destroyer on convoy duty during WWII on the infamous Murmansk Run.

I just looked at his list, and I read the first 17 of his novels (at least two or three times each), which is about the time he "lost" it and started phoning in his work. The last couple sagged off, but were worthwhile. "South by Java Head" was another great WWII sea story, and I was very fond of "When Eight Bells Toll" and "Bear Island."

When I was reading him in my teens and 20s, I vowed I wanted to become a writer of thrillers just like him, and in my own novels (in progress) I am very influenced by his intense, non-stop writing style, more than any other writer except maybe Adam Hall, with Anthony Price a close third. (I love LeCarre, and learned a great deal from him, but I can't write like him. Be nice if I could. I think the Karla trilogy is one of the great works of the 20th century, along with "A Small Town in Germany.")

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Now here's a different weather report:

(from my desktop weather software's "details" option)


I'm guessing that "artly cloudy" means a very impressive sky for Sunday. I wish they would say whether we should expect a nice Monet or some crazy Picasso.

"Humid wit"... I dunno 'bout that one.

Should I be expecting a moistened bint to lob a scimitar at me?

Or should I be on the lookout for clowns with spritzer bottles?

All I really know is that it is 84FF now and fine sawdust mixed with sweat and humidity becomes cakelike at first, then flaky, giving one the appearance of being an extra on "Night of the Living Dead".

Posted by: martooni | June 7, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Hello everyone, it's sweltering in my sectoer of TGGN and I've turned the A/C on for a half hour to take the

km2b. I thought your 'rant' was excellent.

RD. I picked up Alistair McLean's "Flood Gate" at the used bookstore (it used to be a W.H. Smith iirc) last month. I read most of his stuff years ago but on reading Floodgate I picked up on something I hadn't noticed before. It doesn't matter if a character is an African chief, a crusty American naval officer or a preambulating infant, they all talk like Oxford undergraduates. Maybe it's just "Floodgate. Anyway, enjoy "Ice Station Zebra."

DNA Girl. I'll consider that partial payment for introducing me to the delightful comic strip ....hang on it's on the tip of my er....O ladee da...AAUUURRRGH... I'm old...I'm brains hurts...I'm not kidding, I really like it....O for FSM sakes. Please post a link, I'm off fer beer.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 7, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

A little song
A little dance
A little seltzer
down your pants
-from the Mary Tyler Moore show, "The Death of ...oh dear..some freaking clown...screw it, I quit.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 7, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse


Do a little dance...
Make a little love...
Get down tonight!
Get down tonight!

(don't ask why that came to mind after reading your Mary Tyler Moore post -- sometimes it's just better *not* to know)

Posted by: martooni | June 7, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Chuckles the Clown.

Posted by: pj | June 7, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Just came in from getting my haircut and the car showed an outside temp of 101° F. Yikes. That's hot.

Stay cool if you can, folks.

Posted by: TBG | June 7, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

TBG... now you've inadvertently created a tune cootie (but not a bad one) mentioning "getting a haircut" and "car" in the same sentence...

Almost cut my hair
It happened just the other day...
{* snip *}
Like looking at my mirror and seeing a police car...

btw... no pun intended on the "snip" bit, but you have to admit it fits.

'Twas just providing an example of how certain brains pick up on certain words or smells or punches to the nose and manage to come up with something that would leave the majority of people scratching their heads and the rest saying "you summanamthrffffff... now *I* have that song stuck in my head".

I would apologize for this, but it *is* a damn good tune.

Posted by: martooni | June 7, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey Martooni, there's some lovely filth down here!

Posted by: Boko999 | June 7, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"Strange women, lying in ponds, distibruting swords, is no basis for a system of government" is my all time favourite line. I suppose it's because it's so true.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 7, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Hi all, I'm relatively caught up to the Boodle at this point, though I haven't read a lot of the linked articles yet - CP's friend's or Weingarten's memory.

Jim McKay and ABC's "Wide World of Sports" were staples of my youth. I particularly identified with the 'Agony of Defeat' clip during the opening credits.

As far as alternative energy sources, there's been a lot discussion regarding how the rise in oil prices for electrical energy production have made it comparable to solar and wind power generation (still isn't as efficient as nuclear power, IIRC). Interesting stuff, I imagine that we're going to see some increased development of geothermal and hydrothermal power generation as well. And of course, there's always the methane...

RD, I'm really glad you're around, man.


Posted by: bc | June 7, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of witch, Boko... (just kidding on the "witch", but I'm feeling punnish today -- DOH! another one!)

But seriously, I finally caught an extended excerpt of Hillary's concession speech and -- I *MUST* say -- she did a damn FINE job of it. I don't know if Obama wrote her speech or offered up some killer catch-phrases, but whoever wrote it, she had me jumping off the couch and high-fiving imaginary friends as if the Penguins had just won the Stanley Cup. (which they didn't, but that's beside the point)

And it just started raining here, so guess what? I don't have to mow the lawn!

This is more than a "woohoo!" moment.

This is like getting a rum-filled chocolate-covered cherry on your sundae when you're only 13 and not old enough to drink, delivered in person by a scrumptious nubile cutie so far out of your ball park that you'd need binoculars to see her.

Of course, the rain doesn't fall in the shop, so I still have work to do (grrrrr....)

Peace out (again)...

Posted by: martooni | June 7, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Yep. I know that her heart must be breaking to do so, but Hillary Clinton came through. As BC wisely pointed out earlier, she could have done grave damage had she a mind to, but I think she has done the right thing and gotten solidly behind Obama.

Now, let's see if her followers show as much discipline.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 7, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

kb, that wildlife article is something else! I'm glad I haven't had to resort to any of those tactics...yet. When you mentioned growing watermelons, it reminded me of when we lived in VA in the country, and managed to grow some watermelons. Just when they were ripe enough to harvest, we discovered one big bite out of each one. We suspected the groundhogs. Our squirrels do the same thing with Asian pears here, but there are so many it's ok. Even this year, there are lots of pears on the tree, which is amazing because it was so cold and bee-less when it blossomed.

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 7, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I read many many McLean novels in my extreme youth, and loved them. Something about the lack of moral ambiguity and manly men really appealed when I was 12 or 13.

Posted by: Yoki | June 7, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

My son and I just returned from a two day trip to the mountains. There was a pile of messages on the machine, news from my wife who is out of town that the dogs ran amok last might, and 100 degrees outdoors as I post. The RFK kit was something. I was 11 at the time and still living in Chicago. I has walked over to a friends house to go to school and walked in the door to the news that RFK had been assassinated. I might remember it so well because those folks had colour TV. In any case, MLK had left this world just months earlier and, as 'Mudge so eloquently put it, there was a very different feeling about the direction the country could take under the leadership of RFK. The tumult of the summer and the DNC in Chicago made me wonder why my Dad thought that the people in power that pummeled protesters were so right in their way of thinking. I sat on our porch and argued with my Dad about The War until I cried. The cities burned that summer and we moved to Hudson, Ohio he following spring. In the mean time, Woodstock went down, President Nixon had escalated our involvement in the war, lied about not going across the borders into Laos and Cambodia, then went on National TV to tell the country that he had indeed authorized missions into the latter countries in an effort to defeat the enemy. The students at Kent State and many other places went nuts. My Dad worked in Kent and didn't get home until something like two in the morning after the National Guard had killed four students the previous afternoon. Lt. William Calley, IMO, was the scapegoat for the Mi Lai killings later that year. The worst offenders weren't held accountable. Michener wrote a book about the Kent State affair that made the National Guard look really bad, yet nobody was convicted of anything, IRRC. We moved again. Watergate broke. We watched the hearings at work, and I was shocked at what the administration had done. The transformation of my political views in liberalism was complete and I was all of 16. Now it seems as if the country has cycled around to profound political abuse, yet nobody is being held accountable. In my mind, these abuses are absolutely criminal but somehow permissible at this writing thanks to legal documents crafted largely in the VP's office. I wonder why nobody has the gumption to call the administration's bluff and put the legal tools to work that could potentially put the country back towards the standing that martooni wrote about. I hope that the level of dissatisfaction with the government is at such a level as to elect a slate of politicians that has the better interests of the country in mind as opposed to those political interests with the money. Moreover, I hope that the country can look past the myriad of nit picky issues trumpeted by the MSM and elect a leader as opposed to a meat puppet. I need to hear, among other things, how the next President plans to deal with issues like the various XO's that have concentrated power in the executive. Sen. Obama's candidacy holds some of the promise of RFK's candidacy. Hopefully some good will come of it.

Posted by: jack | June 7, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I've posted a link to a different cover o fthis tune, but it's appropriate as I've just driven the bus through the mountains and I'm glad to be home. For you, martooni...

Posted by: jack | June 7, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

been out in spurts in 101 degrees to soak the gardens. the bee balm, which i just watered last nite, looks burned! i haven't put soaker hoses in the new beds yet, so have decided to be a bit loose with water consumption and just let the hose run for five or so minutes at a time in different parts of the beds. i'm thinking spontaneous combustion weather!

Posted by: nelson | June 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

OMG, there's a huge BALL OF FIRE in the sky, frying and scorching all life! The shingles are turning up and blackening at the edges! The thermometer in my truck dashboard says it's 120 degrees inside there! HELP... ah, forget it. I'm gonna go play in the sprinkler.

Posted by: Jumper | June 7, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey jack, where did you go in the mountains? I'll bet you wish you were still there.

Still dealing with the new computer thing. Moving files with a thumb drive...well, fast it ain't.

Posted by: slyness | June 7, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Deepest apologies to all of the east coasters that we sent our triple digits to. We've only been in the low 90's the last few days -- nice and cool!

Apologies, too, to the planet for our carbon footprint over the last week and a half. It feels very wrong to me to open all the blinds and turn on all the lights and lower the AC 5 degrees every time we leave the house. But our realtor said we had to, and we figured we should listen to her. At least we've had people come for showings almost every day since the house has been on the market, so hopefully someone will make an offer soon and we can set the AC back to 80 where it belongs.

Posted by: bia | June 7, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I found a full excerpt of Sen. Clinton's speech. A very wonderful speech to read.

One does wish that she had a speechwriter this good earlier on, all this sounds like her speaking fully from her heart, but uncommonly clearly.

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 7, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I knew that was in there somewhere.

CHUCKLES! Thanks pj.

He went hunting
went to hunt a bunny rabbit
had to make a pair of mittens
from the bunny rabbit's fur

Well, he hunted over ridge
he hunted over dell
he hunted all around
where the bunny rabbits dwell
he hunted all the day
he hunted all the night
at last he found a rabbit
with the fur just right

Hiawatha found that rabbits
wear their furside warmside outside
Hiawatha turnd the rabbit's
warmside furside inside outside

Hiawath he went hunting
went to find a bunny rabbit

*knock knock knock*
Hello Mrs. Deer, can Running come out and play?

had to make a pair of mittens
from the bunny rabbits fur.
-Smothers Brothers

Boy, you give it a shake and who know what'll fall out.

Posted by: Boko999 | June 7, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Posting in haste, about to run out of battery power (goldarned rabbit chomped the power cord). Many thanks to all from me and from the Boy for birthday wishes, and to Mudge for the poem. Ha ha, Yoki, "Adolescent" indeed. He's only twelve and I insist on the Boy for a while longer. Maybe till he's thirty or so.

Thanks also to all the thoughtful posts on the fuel situation. Didn't sound like rants from here, just common sense.

Movie, dinner, games, more games, a trip to the local pool - the birthday celebrations are finally winding down. "Spamalot" tomorrow (touring show) just for lagniappe.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 7, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

We were just north of Easley, SC, at about 1500-2000 ft. The lack of civilisation was amazing. My lawn is crunchy and the planting we did over the Memorial day weekend is quite water stressed. If the plants have only a 50% mortality rate, I'll consider it a victory.

Posted by: jack | June 7, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Hello, everybody!

We have had a very hot day in Central VA. The kids' games were called off. My husband and I have agreed tomorrow is the day we suggest they fry an egg on the blacktop. Our forecast calls for even higher temperatures.

I have to ask.

Loomis has bullied and offended the majority of Boodlers. She has driven off a few. She's been told to tone it down many times, but suddenly she's being asked to leave. Since I was gone for so long, what was it she did that finally brought Wilbrod and RD to this point?

Posted by: a bea c | June 7, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Boko, come back 'ere and take what's comin' to ya!
Your favorite line reminded me of the black knight, which reminded me of black wasabi ninja, which led to this link...

About that payment, how 'bout we call it a draw?

Posted by: DNA Girl | June 7, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I never asked Loomis to leave. Let me be clear about that. I specifically avoided advocating that position. I simply suggested that she should take a long hard look at her approach to the boodle and, perhaps, rethink it.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 7, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I was just asking, RD. Everyone tolerated her before. I usually just scroll past her diatribes.

I agree, though. If she finds so many of us so lacking, why is she here?

Posted by: a bea c | June 7, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, well. Too bad about Big Brown.

Posted by: a bea c | June 7, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Well... no Triple Crown this year.

Posted by: TBG | June 7, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Well... no Triple Crown this year.

Posted by: TBG | June 7, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

No triple crown, but glad Big Brown was pulled up. A horse that is too relaxed before the race can be lethargic.

I noticed how choppy he was early on, and that can indicate pain. Wonder if it will turn out to be a stomach upset, rather than respiratory issues. Hey, even champions find themselves with the runs.

There will be races later in the year. All I can say is, there are a lot of long-shot ticket holders who are very, very happy right now.

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 7, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

yeah, really, Wilbrod. The winner was 38-to-1, no?

Posted by: TBG | June 7, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

On the Chris Matthews show two minutes ago, they were talking about the fist bump between Obama and his wife last election night, and Matthews remarks about how much the entirety of (white) American culture has been influenced by things adapted from the black culture. And then he says something like this: "And especially compared to Europe. Compare any white people in America to Europe. We are *so* much cooler than they are."

Which I actually like and agree with.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't watching, but I just read the AP blurb on the Belmont. It says Big Brown was "rank at the start." Anyone know what that means?

Posted by: bia | June 7, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Boodle, I need help with something (and the Boodle is the font of all knowledge). Ivansmom and some others will know the answer, I am sure. Here's the question: in the song "Help Me (I think I'm Falling)" (here if you need a refresher: how would you describe her voice, technically? Alto? soprano? Expound as much as you can.

(I am abashed to admit that as much as I love music, I know less than nothing of its technical side and vocabulary.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I think "rank" in horse racing terms meant that he wanted to run fast, all out, while the jockey wanted him to stay back. The Belmont's a long way to go. Kind of amazing that Da'Tara went wire to wire.

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 7, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

SCC: her song, how would you describe *Joni Mitchell's* voice...

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Joni Mitchell has an astounding range - I'm kind of with you, Mudge, in my lack of real knowledge of music, though.

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 7, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I loved the "fist bump" picture.

It seems like such a wonderfully authentic moment of pride and love.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 7, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Funny that Al Franken's being held accountable for his record of...comedy writing...Ruh roh.

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 7, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

thanks, mostly

Posted by: bia | June 7, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I'd say that Ms. Mitchell's voice is smoky, 'Mudge. I like "Coyote"...

Posted by: jack | June 7, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Here's a corrected link to the Joni Mitchell video that Mudge referred to earlier:

(The right parenthesis threw it off.)

Her voice has lowered as her career has gone along. She was a soprano early on. "Big Yellow Taxi" is a great example of that, especially her laugh at the end of the song. In the above video, her range was shifting lower, although she still covered a lot of ground. That time around "Court and Spark" and "Hissing on Summer Lawns" was probably the widest range that she had. Now her voice is a *lot* lower. Definitely alto, maybe even tenor. Cigarettes and age are the things that changed her voice.

I will gladly now yield to Ivansmom or anyone else.

Posted by: pj | June 7, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Arrrrghh. That's "Hissing of Summer Lawns."

Posted by: pj | June 7, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse


I have a copy of the Michener book about Kent State that you referred to earlier. I was 11 and about to turn 12 shortly after RFK was killed. I have a lot of the same reactions to that astonishingly turbulent time that you do. I think we are still trying to figure out exactly what happened during the time from 1968 to 1970 or so.

In addition to the other books about RFK that have been mentioned, Evan Thomas wrote a biography of him several years ago. I haven't read it, but I remember him saying that he didn't think Kennedy would have won the nomination in Chicago.

Posted by: pj | June 7, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey, that's stereotyping, Mudge. I violently disagree with it and will consider myself geeky until proven infinitely cool.

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 7, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod. Seriously now. I mean, as gnomes go there's you, and then there's that stupid fruity gnome who falls off that mountain in the commercial. It's just no contest who is cooler. Please, don't pull my leg.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Jumper | June 7, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

It is common that women's voices deepen as they age (goes along with the luxuriant mustaches and eyebrows) unless they have taken *extreme* care not to injure the throat or strain the larynx (cf: Ivansmom). Along with Joni Mitchell, check out kd lang then and now.

This is not a priori a bad thing; as we come into our full powers we stop sounding like children and start sounding like adults. However, whilst I was fully prepared to become an old woman, I find it rather disturbing that I am turning into an old man.

My comfort is that it seems to me to reflect the arc of a lifetime; we start out somewhat undifferentiated by sex (though not gender) and end up in a similar state at the end of life. Perhaps something to be more celebrated than mourned.

Posted by: Yoki | June 7, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, you are cooler than cool. You are the coolness. Trust me. I know.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

a bea c, you were gone a long time. trust the boodle wisdom on this one. we've experienced endless cycles of loomis's b1tchiness and condescension. she's posted personal attacks on the children of boodlers. she's been rude to guest bloggers, including joel's daughter. i could go on, but you get the idea. trust that if a few people like our very fair-minded and rational rd padouk felt a need to say something that it was long overdue.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | June 7, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, all (although the thing about the moustaches might have been TMI, Yoki. But I can't say I didn't ask for expansiveness, so I gues it's my fault.)

Let me make it simpler: in 1974, on the Court and Spark album, she is basically a soprano, yes? Not an alto? Or does she move between them?

We've got thunderstorm warnings all through the region and the radar shows a small line with lots of yellow and red.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, 'Mudge. TMI indeed. *shamefaced*

Posted by: Yoki | June 7, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I grant you points for that fruity gnome comparsion. Well argued. Yet... look at Martooni. He's what, the Dr. Johnny Fever of gnomes?

Yoki, always remember Shakespeare's King Lear (Act V, scene iii).:

"Her voice was ever so soft,
Gentle, and low, an excellent thing in woman."

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 7, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom and other singers who sing can correct me, but my own understanding, as a non-singer who admires those who sing, is that Joni always had a wide natural range; that is, she could, when young, sing in both soprano and alto without strain, but with a little work could also do contralto (which in a man is tenor). As she's matured, she sounds more alto/contralto to my ear.

God, how I hate her.

Posted by: Yoki | June 7, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse, not that you wouldn't look distinguished in a mustache, Yoki. I wasn't being judgemental.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, I always thought King Lear's point was that Cornelia spoke softly, not in a low timbre. Just my interpretation.

I was a first soprano as a young person, now I suppose I have descended (declined?) into a second soprano. Don't ask me to sing alto, I couldn't possibly follow that line. I do know that I can't hit a high G anymore; I used to be able to get close to C above high C.

Do you have a remedy for the moustache, Yoki? I'd be delighted to hear about it. One of my best buddies takes her tweezers with her and uses them while she waits in the carpool line. She says she can see better in the light.

Sorry if that's TMI, Mudge.

Posted by: slyness | June 7, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Maybe not a Fu Manchu, though.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse


Here's a video of Mitchell on the Johnny Cash show from (I guess) '68 or '69. Her voice is clearly higher than on the "Help Me" video of a few years later, but she still shows a good range, as Yoki said. She's still basically a soprano on "Court and Spark" but is leaning toward the alto range in the later video. When she goes for the high notes in "Help Me" you can hear some strain or she can only hold the note for a moment.

Posted by: pj | June 7, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I like the Gillette Trac III, but I guess that's not very helpful.

(Hey, c'mon. At least give me points for being empathetic. I read about it in a magazine.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, I'll continue to be your greatest fan! :-)

Ivansmom, belated congratulations to the Boy. So when are you buying him the Jeep?

I got in the window air conditioners today (just in time), planted tomatoes and have the 2nd raised bed almost ready to plant (I was going to go 3 high and just have 1, but 2 was plenty high unless I wanted the tomatoes hitting the power lines). The 2nd bed, then, is just for flowers and herbs this summer. Maybe in the fall I'll buy another frame and stack it up for next year. Or if this year is really successful, another 3 so I'll have 3 full ones.

To the gardeners: Is 6" of soil and peat enough, or do I need to fill it to 8" for flowers (zinnias, nasturtiums, poppies) and herbs?

Posted by: dbG | June 7, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Laser or electrolysis, Slyness, don't even think about waxing -ouch!

Spend the day at #2's doing laundry, cleaning, setting up her clothes (putting away pants and shorts and hanging up new skirts) while "S" installed a new hand-held shower head and took the doors off the tub/shower. Poor daughter had a devil of a time getting into the tub as she can't bend that leg at all, but with some help from mom and the absence of those pesky doors, she managed. Made sure she ate more as she's been nauseous from all the pills. Almost son-in-law came home in between jobs and put the air conditioner in the bedroom. "S" tried to walk the dog for her, but dog wouldn't leave his mommy, just couldn't get him out of the yard.

I thought it was warm here today at mid 80's, and I guess it is if compared to yesterday's 57 degrees. But you guys with the triple digits have us beat and I feel for you all. Going to bed as I need to run back to daughter's house tomorrow after visiting a friend for a bit of a break.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | June 7, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

*standing in line right behind dbG, but thinking about trying to butt in front, which admittedly isn't polite*

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Just thought I would check back in. It has been sooooooooo hot here today. 103, the temp, and we won't even talk about the index. Tomorrow, 104. I walked around the block, and forgot to take water. I stopped along the way and asked for water. It didn't help much.

I am officially walking now. I figured out why my car isn't running well. The front tire is entirely shot. I'm so glad it didn't blow while I was on the highway. It looks like someone skimmed it or peeled it.

I'm not even going to go into what kind of day I've had. I just refuse to unload that on the boodle. But God is good, all the time. I've had my cool salad, and still drinking lots of water, getting ready for bed. It's all good.

CP, I read the story about your friend's father, and I really enjoyed it. Not that her father had a stroke, but her story was from the heart, and that is always good reading. Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't wait so long to enjoy each other? Just not allow stuff to get in the way of that bond. It is hard, I know. I can testify to that from my own relationship with my father. Not easy one bit. And today was really bad.

Tomorrow we celebrate one hundred years at our church. Hopefully I will be able to participate in that celebration. There will be good preaching, and much food. I extend an invitation to all here, and if you can't join us in the body, be there in the spirit. We love having you.

Have a good evening, folks. Night boodle. Sweet dreams.

Posted by: cassandra s | June 7, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Darn, Yoki, I was hoping for something that didn't cost so much money. ;-) I'll just stick with the tweezers, I suppose.

I do have an announcement: I picked my first ripe tomato today, a Roma about the size of a marble. The plant doesn't look so hot but there are other tomatoes on it, so we'll see how it goes. The soil isn't good and I failed to emend it properly, so I'm not sure any of the veggies are going to do well. I purchased some cow manure last night and put some on everything this morning; I hope that will help.

You folks in DC could share some rain with us. We still aren't getting enough because you're hogging it all.

Sneaks, glad to hear you were able to help your daughter. Mothers never stop, and they shouldn't, when they're needed. I hope she is improving rapidly.

Posted by: slyness | June 7, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Lotta boom-boom overhead.

11 p.m. I think I'm allowed to stop working for the day.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Lotta boom-boom overhead.

11 p.m. I think I'm allowed to stop working for the day.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Lotta boom-boom overhead.

11 p.m. I think I'm allowed to stop working for the day.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Three posts constitutes boodle hogging.'m%20a%20Hog%20for%20you%20video&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv#

Posted by: jack | June 7, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. Modem's been crapping out repeatedly, had a major flicker, TV, computer all reset. Fortunately I had hit the "save" button a few minutes earlier.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

What? I didn't recommend any expensive unguents or nostrums. I'm all about self-acceptance (maybe just a wee bit too much).

Posted by: Yoki | June 7, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

That was Bad Sneakers, I think. I asked a man-to-woman trannsexual I know how he got his beard removed, and he said electrolysis. It sure does seem to work.

However, I admit I do sometimes wonder if cats and dogs can be loved with whiskers, why can't older women be?

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 7, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom and Son, a belated happy Birthday.

Some spectacular thunderheads with lightning south of Frederick, MD at dusk, reminded me a bit of Northen Lights.

I did not see Sen. Clinton's speech, but I did read the text and it looks like it was a good 'un. Clearly, the situation between Clinton and Obama is now or will be resolved soon, and that she is satisfied enough with any agreements that have been struck to suspend her campaign and endorse Obama for the Presidency. It will be interesting to see what develops...

G'night, Boodle.


Posted by: bc | June 7, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

The Curmudgeon Rap:

Lotta boom boom overhead,
Lotta boom boom overhead,
Boom boom boom boom boom.

Gotta get boom overhead,
Gotta get over my own head,
Gotta leave behind the overhead,
and boom boom boom boom.

Gotta leave the leave behind,
Gotta get past the leave behind,
Gotta eh eh eh eh eh eh,
boom behind.

Posted by: Yoki | June 7, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

LOL. Why do I hear that to the soundtrack of "The Sopranos" theme?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 7, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm first in line for you, too.

Posted by: Yoki | June 7, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

As a man of Italian heritage, I reserve the right to not comment on anyone's follicular situation, location, color or density other than my own.

And certainly not my Mother's.
I know what's good for me, and that ain't it.


Posted by: bc | June 7, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, this is way past due. Thanks for the pictures of the North of the Border BPH. Are sections of the prairie a bargain? I'm speaking of 1 km square, kind of like the sections 'round Ivansmom's parts, which are a square mile.

Posted by: jack | June 7, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

dbG, I think 6" of soil is ok for the flowers you mentioned - 8" would be fine too. One of the local gardening gurus answered this in her column the other day (2nd question):

And lest you all think I'm exaggerating about the weather here:
The headline is "Bundle up - it's June".

Good article here about Big Brown and Kent Desormeaux:
Love Sally Jenkins.

Gotta head off to bed so I can get up to do work at 3 ayem (OMG).

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 7, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

jack, you can get a quarter-section in lower Manitoba or Saskatchewan for about the price of a home place in urban California. No bargains to be had here in booming North North America. But if you'd like to come on up and see us, you'd be very welcome (as would the rest of your family and the dogs).

Posted by: Yoki | June 7, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of which, how are yours? Isabel showed today and took her class, but according to my wife, didn't hold her tail up sufficiently to meet the perkiness part of the standard. IMHO, she is better structurally than most of the b1tches she's up against, but has yet to get ring savvy.

Sounds as if I need to look in the Northern Territories for a bargain. Like something that has only a meter or so of permafrost during the warm season.

Posted by: jack | June 8, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Yikes. I hate that sort of judging. My Gus lost some Special classes because he didn't have sufficient "substance." Hah! He did indeed have substance (which many judges recognized before he finished)(and he had beautiful drive too!) but he wasn't fat and lumbering the way too many exhibited Bernese are. If Isabel didn't have her tail held perfectly, it was probably because she doesn't have a gay tail the way too many of your breed do. She probably had a beautifully natural tail held naturally.

Posted by: Yoki | June 8, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Weird. I post, go to the NYT for a diversion and click this, just because it says hallucinations, and bring this out of Winnipeg:

Thus, stream of consciousness brings me to this piece:

Posted by: jack | June 8, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Yeah. When she's RLH her shape is classic. Just like the diagrams we've seen at seminar. Make no mistake: Judging is strictly objective.

Posted by: jack | June 8, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

At least obedience is much less subjective. Either a dog retrieves a dumbbell or it doesn't; the rest is quality and style.

Many dogs who don't do well in the ring can do well in obedience and frankly, I'd rather buy from a breeder who titled their dogs in obedience, agility, etc., but then I like training my dogs.

Sorry to hear your dogs lost out; with other dogs in the ring, tail tone can change considerably if another dog in the ring seems on the ill-tempered side.

I personally do not think tail carriage is a good idea to stipulate; it's like grading a dog on how loudly it says hello.

Even Wilbrodog, the classic gaytailed dog, has been known to tuck his tail down going past a yard with two rather territorial barkers who display threatening body language.

I crossed him to the other side of the road for a while and his tail came back up. It's all about the mood and also level of arousal.

Posted by: Wilbrod | June 8, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Please stop that gnome! All this tail talk is making me blush.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | June 8, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

I can agree with bc that last night's boomers were quite a sight from the west of D.C. Around here it's not often you get isolated thunderstorms frontlit by sunset. Glowing clouds shot through with lightning, and even a few planes on approach to Dulles. Bet THEY had interesting views (and perhaps a little agita). Glad to see 'Mudge is still with us.

Many more chores today, but they're all inside, not that I planned it that way or anything...

*checking-my-tail-status-while-finishing-my-coffee Grover waves*


Posted by: Scottynuke | June 8, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Scottynuke, from that description you could have been standing right next to me.


Posted by: bc | June 8, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

It IS a small world, bc.

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 8, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Indeed, Scottynuke.


Posted by: bc | June 8, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, everyone!

Just kidding with you about moustache treatments last night, Yoki. The tweezers take care of my issues on that front.

Your description is wonderful, Snuke. I hope they were good storms.

Gotta find something cool to wear to church. It's Senior Sunday, so we will be honoring our high school graduates. I see that one of the hymns will be I Was There to Hear Your Borning Cry. That one was used as the processional when dottir #1 graduated. I got out the first line and stood there with tears for the rest of the song. Who says that contemporary music isn't good?

Posted by: slyness | June 8, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. It's hot and muggy here to. But then again, 6 weeks ago there was snow on he ground.
I was to brag that I saw the first flowers on the tomatoe plants but Slyness just announced she is harvesting the fruits, not fair.
It's time for a walk with the Puppy in the morning's coolness. BTW we got the Puppy on a tail issue. He has a slightly crooked tail base, so the breeder he was promised to declined to take it. So, as I tell him often, he is an imperfect dog.
The Ancient Giant Black Lab has a tail that meets the breed's criteria: "the tail must be capable to swipe clean, in a single wag, a coffee table piled up with books, magazines, newspaper, yogurt containers, glasses and coffee mugs."

Posted by: shrieking denizen | June 8, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Good morning.

I know there are a few of you who'll enjoy this game.

Draw shapes to guide the ball across the screen. Keep gravity, friction, and inertia in mind.

Have fun!

Posted by: a bea c | June 8, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' Boodle...

I'm guessing Cassandra is on her way to church already (if not, you better get yer butt movin' girl!)...

Whenever I hear "Boom Boom" my brain immediately goes into rock-n-roll mode and comes up with Pat Travers. What a freakingly incredible and low-on-the-radar guitarist! He and Robin Trower (with a little help from Al DiMeola, Jimi Hendrix, Buddy Guy, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, and too many others to count) inspired me to pick up a guitar and they taught me you can't just be a showboat -- you gotta *feel* it.

Looking like another scorcher today (by Ohio standards, anyway). Already 75FF and the muggy factor is increasing by the minute. I did manage to mow the front lawn last night, but it wasn't easy. I was imagining the headline -- "Lawn mowing gnome cut down by lightning, more puns at 11".

Got another big wholesale order last night -- woohoo! -- so off to make more sawdust in my sweatshop.

Peace out... And stay cool, babies... :-)

Posted by: martooni | June 8, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Morning all.. wow.. so many folks staying in this morning. Too hot already to go out and about.

Scotty and bc... you guys crack me up. We had lots of loud booming last night but no rain fell that I know of.

Slyness.. I'm incredibly impressed about your tomato. Is that common in your parts? To have fruit already?

a bea c... may I add that it's so nice to have you back! And you, too, nelson!

Posted by: TBG | June 8, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

No, TBG, it's not normal to have ripe tomatoes in early June. This is the first time I ever remember picking one before, say, June 25th.

I must admit the one little Roma isn't anything to brag about. I bought the plant early and planted it before the threat of frost was completely past. This one little fruit is a surprise.

Posted by: slyness | June 8, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

And as Jon Stewart would say, here's your moment of zen...

Posted by: TBG | June 8, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

Going to meet some family for breakfast and an early matinee of "Indiana Jones," then off to some chores, and a siesta-time break of watching the Canadian GP live on Fox (1 PM).

My mancrush Lewis Hamilton is on pole position (ahem) by a whopping .6 sec; I'm hopeful he'll take the win and extend his lead in the driver's championship points.

Then more chores (while recording the Catalunian Moto GP, and crossing my fingers for The Doctor to take another win) and yard cleanup from this past week's storms, and possibly settling in tonight to watch the Discovery Channel's series "When we Left Earth" at 9 PM, while doing laundry and taking care of some paperwork.

Have a good day, all.


Posted by: bc | June 8, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' y'll.

Blood-red sky repleat with rain and thunder and zig zags of all types.

I swam for nearly one hour; physical therapy, really. I thought of BadSneak'sDot and said, I can do this too. Ouch. But the water was refreshing and I could not-twist the torso at the sore sports. A friend's dot home from year two of physical therapy school confirmed the idea that moving and breathing now will make for shorter and better healing. She did tell the two life guards on duty (I knew them both BEFORE they were born!) to watch me, because I might have trouble breathing. So, very safe am I at this pool now. Breathing only on the bad side works because the cross-twist is knife-blades.

Hey, there Mr. bc, fold my laundry magically across the ether, will ya? Thanks.

I will use Round-up today with a little cone of paper. I cannot pull weeds and if one does not pull weeks right now, the summer garden is lots. Frosti, lend me your flame-thrower weeder. Did you buy that or is in your dream-wish list?

I need Thomas Jefferson's standing table as sitting pinches the ribs.

Stay cool. Cassandra -- say lots of prayers for me because I might play hookey today.

Posted by: College Parkian | June 8, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Cripes it's hot! I see the big guy fussing around the pool I sure hope he had done that last week so I could swim today! Let's go back panting on that cool tile floor in the basement now.

Posted by: The Puppy | June 8, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, mostly! I think I did too much in the heat last night, so not having to put more soil down today is a bonus.

Shrieking, I know that lab tail!

Yoki, it's good to see you around here.

Posted by: dbG | June 8, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm right there with ya, Puppy.

Sheesh... 82FF already (10:40am) and the muggy is getting to be a real problem -- and no sign of rain or other relief. I shouldn't complain, though... our neighbors in Indiana are flooded out.

I started to do some work in the shop, but I've now retreated to the slightly cooler interior of the house. Furry gnomes don't handle heat well. I'm thinking this is going to be a day to play political junkie, SciFi Channel junkie, and try to keep cool by slowly sipping several large gin and tonics with the fan blowing full blast (I even thought to buy limes yesterday).

On the politics front... interesting to watch the various reactions to Hillary's speech yesterday. Most seem to agree with me -- that she did one hell of a job -- but now they're digging around trying to find ulterior motives.

As a Democrat, I wish they would just knock it off and put the cameras and microphones back on Obama, but it does make for some somewhat interesting speculation on an otherwise too hot Sunday.

btw... I've refilled all the ice cube trays in the bunker's freezer (just in case) and put a nice pasta salad in the fridge. Feel free to dig in.

Posted by: martooni | June 8, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I wish I lived in a swing zip code. That would make it a Squirrel Nut Zipper code.

Posted by: Jumper at the Woodside | June 8, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Jumper... As a resident of one of those "swing" zips, I have to warn you... beware the Cherry Poppin' Daddies and their Zoot Suit Riots.

And if Doc Severinsen happens to show up with the Tonight Show Band, look out... all hell's gonna break loose 'cause they play it "old school", if you know what I mean.

Posted by: martooni | June 8, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Count on it.

Posted by: Jumper | June 8, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Just had a "refreshing" moment in a slimy pond scum sort of way.

My neighbor's kid rang the bell and asked if I could help his Dad get the cover off their pool. I should have known by the panicked look in his eyes that this could be trouble.

We got the bugger off, but I did get a wave of very stale pool water (and who knows what else) sweep over me when the tarp finally slipped over the edge of the pool.

The only question is whether I take a shower now or wait until I've finished mowing the back yard later today/tonight.

Dead frogs are stinky.

Posted by: martooni | June 8, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Because I was up in the middle of the night, I got to watch the French Open, shown at 6 am PDT. Usually I tape it, then can't stand to watch Federer get beaten by Nadal. And wow, Bjorn Borg is looking good. He's the reason I started watching Grand Slam tennis in the first place.

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 8, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

just want to check in and say hello to all. back to joni's voice. i read an autobiography joan baez wrote: she had lost her soaring soprano in middle age and actually took voice lessons to try and get it back. i do think it's an aging thing.

laser hair removal has replaced the agony of electrolosis as the removal of choice for women. i prefer to tweeze.

martooni -- i hadn't thought about robin trower for a long, long time. saw him in concert my junior or so year in high school. believe it or not, the warm up act was iron butterfly.

slyness, one roma tomato is still one roma tomato!! i do have lots of immature fruits on some of my vines -- but it's gonna be a while before they're actually tomatoes. very cool. hope your garden is holding up under the heat.

was 101 here yesterday. supposed to be a repeat performance today. 95 as i write.

stay cool all. martooni, congrats on your wholesale order! i'm glad that business is coming your way -- in this shaky economy.

boom, boom, boom, boom. what famous blues singer recorded this line?

Posted by: nelson | June 8, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Yuck, 'Tooni, that sounds horrible.

For today's Sunday School lesson, we had a presentation by the executive director of the local Habitat for Humanity affiliate. (He's a church member, so it wasn't out of the ordinary to invite him.) Now there's a nonprofit that does fabulous work.

He is just back from the Gulf Coast, where Habitat did their big project of the year, to highlight the fact that the effects of Katrina are still very much with that area. From his perspective, the biggest problem is that nobody trusts anybody, so nothing is getting done, on the local, state, or federal levels. He also said that Habitat is the second largest builder working in New Orleans. How screwed up is this, that a nonprofit is outbuilding almost all the for-profit companies?

Posted by: slyness | June 8, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

i keep seeing this energy supplement advertised -- being pushed by no less a god than lance armstrong. does anyone know anything about this? too good to be true category? want to try the 2 week trial. god only knows how much the stuff costs. can't seem to find that info on the link.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 8, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Robin Trower and Jack Bruce with Gary Husband on drums released a CD last year called Seven Moons. I like it a lot - very reminiscent of the 60s in places, jazzy in others.

John Lee Hooker?

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 8, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

here's a great link on the best way to plant tomatoes (i know, very late for this season), especially heirlooms. my green zebra is already over the top of the cage i put around her. am gonna have to stack one on top of the other.

Posted by: nelson | June 8, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

yes -- it was john lee hooker. thanks -- i couldn't think of who it was.

Posted by: nelson | June 8, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

SCC: the 12:55 post on the lance armstrong energy drink was mine. sorry for the anonymity

Posted by: nelson | June 8, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 8, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

It is HOT out there. I went and did a charity ride this morning called Tour Dem Parks. It's basically a big lap of Baltimore. Got some good pictures I will post later.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 8, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

mostly -- thanks so much for that clip! very nice. cool blues for a hot day.

gotta run. stay cool all.

Posted by: nelson | June 8, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

faxing the general DC area, some cooler air. With luck it will arrive unsullied.

Its been a little below average here for the last week or so. The sky has been gray but it seldom rains. I put laundry on the clothes line yesterday and the kids washed their car, and still nothing but showers that don't drop enough rain to show up in the mega rain gauge.

Faxing belated belated birthday wishes to a certain Boy. Being 12 is a wonderful time of life.

Posted by: dr | June 8, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

And thanks to YJ for the knitting link. You get more than 1 free pass for all things ship and plane.

CP, I loved your friends article.

Posted by: dr | June 8, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

TBG, nobody commented on the picture you posted? That was the perfect image to back up a friend's theory. He says Laura Bush is drugged with a very large and "enriched" fruit smoothy each morning. She just walks around in a daze, unable to complain about her spouse's stupidity.

Posted by: a bea c | June 8, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, John Lee Hooker... couldn't tell you how many times I saw him play.

Sat at the upstairs bar at the old Bayou with him once, bought him and his ladyfriends a few rounds of drinks.

No, I didn't buy him one bourbon, one scotch, and one beer. That would have been tacky.

Canadian GP update: My man Hamilton wasn't watching the red light at the end of the pit lane, and ran into Raikkonen's Ferrari, which was stopped (as it should have been). Nobody hurt, but both cars are out. A shame.


Posted by: bc | June 8, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

John Lee Hooker it was (for the boom, boom, boom, boom...).

My band used to cover that tune about a decade and a half ago. Always a crowd pleaser.

We dug into the blues archives quite a bit. We weren't really a "blues" band, but we did a pretty good job of "reinterpreting" blues tunes with a 90's alternative rock kind of flair. One of my favorites was "Sporting Life Blues"... I have no idea who wrote it (and apparently neither does Google), but we rocked the house with that one.

"That old night life,
That old sportin' life's killing me..."

How true, how true...

(I still mess up here and there, but I'm trying to behave now. Honest.)

Posted by: martooni | June 8, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

'Afternoon, Boodle.

Hey, I found this cool poem:

Blood-red sky repleat
with rain and thunder
and zig-zags of all types.
I swam for nearly one hour;
physical therapy, really.
I thought of a friend's daughter
and said, I can do this, too.
But the water was refreshing
and I could not twist the torso
at the sore spots.
Another friend's daughter
home from year two of
physical therapy school confirmed
the idea that moving and breathing
now will make for
shorter and better healing. She did
tell the two life guards on duty
(I knew them both before they were born!)
to watch me, because I might
have trouble breathing. So,
very safe am I at this pool now.
Breathing only on the bad side works
because the cross-twist is knife-blades.
I just wish someone would
fold my laundry magically.
I will use Round-up today
with a little cone of paper.
I cannot pull weeds and
if one does not pull weeds right now,
the summer garden is lost.
Friend, lend me your flame-thrower weeder.
Did you buy it or was it
on your dream wish list?
I need Thomas Jefferson's standing table
as sitting pinches the ribs.
Stay cool. Cassandra, say
lots of prayers for me
because today I might play hooky.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 8, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good afternoon, friends. Just getting back in, and so glad to be here. It is just too hot for man or beast. With so many people in the church, it got warm real quick. The air conditioning was on, but it was not making a dent in the heat. People still had to use fans.

I left a lot of folks at the church. I was ready to come home. Sleepy and tired, the heat just wears one out. Martooni, I left home really early this morning. I had to ride with a neighbor. They had so many deserts, cakes, pies, pudding, cakes, and more cakes. It was just heaven on earth with the sweets. No, I only had one piece of cake, and a small piece at that. I'm doing better.

If it's hot where you are, please drink water and stay inside. That's exactly what I'm going to do. I might sit on the porch for a little while, not long.

Enjoy your day, folks,in spite of the heat.

Posted by: cassandra s | June 8, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

That's great Mudge... I think all of CP's posts are poetry.

Posted by: TBG | June 8, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Now I feel so tail-inadequate. I've never been able to wipe things off a table.

If I stand under a table, I can feel things on top with my tail-tip, but that's it. I wish I had the ability of an elephant to pick things up with my tail.

Now I'm going outside on a beautiful day to hide from the tail-pulling here.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | June 8, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry about it, Wilbrodog. Wiping off tables isn't nearly as glamorous as it seems. And once you learn how, then people expect you to do it all the time.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 8, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

No one expects a good dog to act like a bad cat. Why start now?

Brownie McGhee? (Sportin' Life Blues") That is a hard one, Martooni.

Posted by: Jumper | June 8, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Hello all. Poor hubby is out grilling the London Broil...while I peruse the dead tree WaPo.

This article made me think of the boodle. I'm always amazed at the ability of so many boodlers to call up the lyrics of so many songs that exactly fit the kit...or rather, where ever the boodle has veered off...

Thankfully, there is a WaPo writer with my lyric affliction. I had no idea there's a name for the syndrome I suffer from, but there is! The mondegreen phenomenon...who knew?

I can't tell you how happy this piece made me. I am not alone! Unfortunately, my son has inherited the affliction from me. I love Steely Dan and I'll never forget the time I heard him singing their hit Deacon Blues...only his version was

"Great scott whiskins all night long and
die behind the reel"

Posted by: Kim | June 8, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, that was a nice take on CP's post.

Re. the Canadian GP, it was nice to see Robert Kubica take his first career and the first victory for the Sauber/BMW guys.

A pretty cool counter-point to Kubica's race there last year, which ended for him with a titanic 160 MPH+ nearly head-on airborne smack into a concrete barrier, followed by a carom across the track into another concrete wall and a series of scary-looking barrel rolls.

A really nice day outside here near DC, I'm going to head outside onto the deck momentarily with some adult beverages and enjoy a nice evening.


Posted by: bc | June 8, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

SCC: "...first career win.."


Posted by: bc | June 8, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Great article, Kim! Except all those "misheard" lyrics sounded right to me!

Wasn't it someone here whose mom wouldn't let listen to Benny & the Jets because Elton John sang about "electric boobs?"

Posted by: TBG | June 8, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

How hot is it?

Well, inside the house it's 87 degrees and outside it's 90 something. I guess my air conditioner has given up the ghost. I elect to sit outside on the screened porch with the ceiling fan pushing the warm air around instead of basking in the dank and smelly stale air inside.

I wonder how long it'll take to get the air conditioner repair man to show up.

Just think, on Wednesday and Thursday, on a quick trip to Boston for a funeral, it was 57 degrees and rainy. Sounds great now, doesn't it?

Posted by: Maggie O'D | June 8, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

For those of us of a certain age (or just those with an appreciation for music of a certain age) the PBS special "American Soundtrack: Doo Wop" is kinda fun. It's on WETA (channel 26 on my dial) at the moment. They've got together quite a collection of the original performers.

Posted by: Bob S. | June 8, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Kim, we had London broil tonight, too, along with my own version of O'Brien potatoes, baked beans (my sons insists), and sliced tomatoes. I was about to make a London Broil several weeks ago, and my son the chef said no, no, he'd "show me" how to make it "the right way." (I'd only been grilling London Broil for maybe four decades, what the he11 do I know?) So he made his own marinade, using the recipe he'd learned at his work. (So, yeah, the kid taught the old man a thing or two.) So tonight I adapted his marinade recipe. He "approved" of the end result. (He also insisted on cutting it "just so," on a slant, on a bias, and across the grain.

It really was "to die for," if I do say so myself. (Did the beans and the O'Briens out on the grill, too, to keep from heating up the house.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 8, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, Mudge, are you going to share, or what?

And what on earth are Potatoes O'Brien???? Sounds like someone I know from Boston way!

Posted by: Maggie O'D | June 8, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm.... Potatoes O'Brien is (more or less) creamy hash browns with onions & peppers. It probably won't surprise you to find that there are many variations on the theme.

Posted by: Bob S. | June 8, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Kim, thanks for pointing out that article. Thank goodness for lyric sites (although I swear that's where I used to pick up nasty infestations of popups). I'm not sure I even make up words when I can't understand them - I just hum. And given that a lot of my favorite songs are from the days of psychedelia, they don't make sense a lot of the time anyway. So I just make up what they mean to me.

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 8, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Further thought and minimal research assures me that the "creamy" part is just one of the variations. Potatoes O'Brien is basically fried potato chunks with onion & peppers.

Posted by: Bob S. | June 8, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Mudge, I insist that you share...what are Potatoes O'Brien and what is the Mudge improved marinade?

TBG - thank you for that! Farhi's lyrics all sounded right to me, as well!

Posted by: Kim | June 8, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Kim, all those internet lyric sites steal from each other, and if one of them has it wrong, they all do. I thought for a while it was just me, but I have proof.

I was doing the very thing this morning, as a matter of fact. Was Iggy singing "like I like I like it" or "like a lucky locket"

This fact leaves open the continuing freedom to interpret lyrics the best we can.

Posted by: Jumper | June 8, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh, for heaven's sake, I've been making Potatoes O'Brien for years! I just didn't know! However, if you add left-over roast beef or steak, and if you add beef stock or beef gravy or beef glace (imagine the accent acute), then you've got my version of roast beef hash.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | June 8, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

On misheard lyrics, I know I've posted this before but I'll do it again. After John Fogerty started doing Creedence songs again, he would sing the closing line of one chorus of "Bad Moon Rising" as "There's a bathroom on the right."

Posted by: pj | June 8, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Kim... I had a desktop calendar (as in physical paper one) by the Gavin Edwards in that article. After too many years of loud amplifiers, loud power tools, and loud headphones when I had my desk jobs -- mishearing and mangling lyrics are my forte.

But I consider it a badge of honor.

The running joke in the "M" household is that "Daddy can't hear and Mommy can't see or bowl" (you're all welcome for the tune cootie with new lyrics).

My interpretation of "Play that funky music" is a perfect example of lyric mangling (and I know it won't pass the Wirty filter, so I won't even bother trying to share it here -- use your imagination).

My problem is with stupid tune cooties.

Like the songs those guys sing on the "Free Credit Report Dot Com" commercials. They are insidiously infectious and do not make Martooni a happy camper when they get stuck between his ears and won't leave.

I have found that "Aqualung", played at 11+ volume has a unique curative power for *all* tune cooties, but I can't keep a CD player in the shop due to all the sawdust. So I have to rely on the local classic rock station to save me.

And what do they do? They play "M-M-M-My Sharona".


Posted by: martooni | June 8, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

My usual London Broil marinade over the couple of centuries has been basic Italian sald dressing, enhanced with some garlic salt, etc. However, my son poo-poos this. So here is the current Marinade Curmudgeon et Fils:

In a large enough zip-lock bag, put in the London Broil and add:
Two packets of Good Seasons Italian seasonings;
1/4 cup EVOO
1/4 cup red wine (any dry)
a couple spritzes of Worcestershire sauce;
crushed red pepper flakes (my son likes it hot, which would be about a tablespoon; I'm a wuss, so I knock it back to half a tablespoon).

Zip the bag shut, shake vigorously to mix and coat, let marinate for up to 4-5 hours.

I had the grill super hot (got up to 550 degrees with the lid closed). Because of the EVOO, it will drip and flare up, so you have to monitor it and move it around a bit, if necessary. But a fast, hot sear on the outside is the trick. I reserve the leftover marinafe in the ziplock, and about 5 minutes before removing it from the grill I paste it on both side. Let it rest 5-10 minutes after grilling and before cutting. Cut it on a cutting board or on a dish that allows you to capture and keep all the au jus, which gets poured back over it.

My O'Brien potatoes: Wash and dice into 1/2" chucks as many potatoes as you think you'll need for however many you are serving (figure one average potato per person, unless you want to make extra for seconds/leftovers, etc., which I always do.) Leave skin on. (My preferred potato for this is the red potato, but I'll use whatever is handy. If using red, figure two per person, and if you get the baby reds, just figure out what portion looks right per person. If using baby reds, you only have to quarter them.)

Put the diced pieces in a big pot of cold water, bring to a boil, and boil for about 8-10 minutes. Removed from heat, pour off hot water, rinse with cold water. Drain and/or let sit so potatoes are dry. Add one to two chopped/diced onions (depending on size of onions, approx. 1/8 cup diced red bell pepper, 1/8 cup diced green bell pepper (or just 1/4 cup of only one color. If you have to choose one or the other, use red bell pepper). Add approx. 1/4 cup fine chopped scallions/spring onions. Dowse all with approx. 1/4 cup EVOO, stirring to coat all. Sprinkle in/on approx. i/2 bottle of McCormick's Salad Supreme, a little salt, and a couple turns of fresh ground pepper; toss thoroughly to coat all.

Cooking method #1: In large skillet on stove top fry until browned, stirring occasionally and turning when browned.

Cooking method #2: Place mixture in large, well-greased/sprayed glass casserole dish and bake approx. 40 minutes, until browned.

Cooking method #3: BBQ grill Method A: I have a perforated metal tray with holes small enough that smaller pieces won't fall through. Tray needs to be well-sprayed with cooking spray or wiped with EVOO or veg. oil so potatoes don't stick. I have occasionally done it by spreading them out on a piece of aluminum foil on top of the grill, but they tend to burn and stick, and it is difficult to stir/turn on the foil.

Cooking method #4: BBQ grill bake: Place very large sheet of aluminum foil on countertop; dump potato mix onto it. Cover with second sheet of aluminum foil, wrap up edges and try to make it into a "hobo pack." Use additional sheet(s) of aluminum foil, if necessary to keep it from leaking.
Since I usually grill with the top closed, I just place it on the cooler area of the grill or on the rack above the grill, close the lid, and let it bake for about 25-30 minutes, turning over at least once (I have a gigunda spatula that can do this).

A lot of people would put more salt in this receipt; I tend not to, so people can salt it themselves to suit. Do it whichever way suits you.

Oh, the supersecret key to this is the generous use of the McCormick's salad supreme.

You can make up the potatoes ahead of time, stopping just before the frying/grilling stage, and keep the mix overnight in the refrigerator.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 8, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey, were we talking about Thomas Jefferson? I have a small and ancient book, a compilation of his letters, or maybe excerpts from his letters. I have no idea. If anyone is interested, let me know and I would be happy to pass it along.

I picked it up at the used book store a while ago, and I do believe I forgot to mention it.

Posted by: dr | June 8, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Wilbrodog, I don't remember when Wilbrod's birthday is, but you might consider getting her this book. It's getting a lot of buzz, and since it is set up your way, she may already know about it. There may be a canine books-on-tape you could listen to, also.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 8, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Am I the third or fourth person here that had London Broil for dinner? Very strange.

Kim, as a Steely Dan lover myself, obviously, I can't say I'm surprised that your son misheard the lyrics. So many of their songs have strange lyrics that don't make much sense on the surface that I sometimes forget and have to Google to refresh my memory.

Oh Maggie, as much as I didn't like the 50 degrees and rainy, it is opressively hot here today. As usual, with no time to get used to the temperature changes, we've been dropped into the middle of a summer heat wave.

I've bumped into my ex twice in two days at daughter's house. I must give him credit for being available to bring her things she needs.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | June 8, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Wow, 'Mudge. I had missed that review. I'll be hunting for it this week. Looks very cool indeed!

Posted by: Bob S. | June 8, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Sneaks - I've had no contact with my ex-wife for nearly ten years (no specific reason to keep in touch - no kids, no joint property) but she does occasionally touch base with my parents.

Last week my folks told me that they've never run across another estranged couple who speak so well OF each other, but have so little interest in speaking TO each other.

Hey, you hate to mess with a strategy that seems to be working!

Posted by: Bob S. | June 8, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

"A kind of intelligent presence and individuality that's unnerving to strangers."

Words to live by!

Posted by: Wilbrodog | June 8, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Bob S., truthfully, I don't always speak well of him as he did not treat me well. And as a friend said just this morning, my happiness with "S" now is great payback for all the years of relative misery. That said, I've mellowed, the wounds have all pretty much healed and unless he's upsetting my daughters, as he does from time to time, I just feel neutral about him. But I did feel I had to give him credit for stepping up during daughter's time of need.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | June 8, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

The TV channel WGN is currently running two episodes of the second Bob Newhart series (set in the Stratford Inn); the episode running right now is that series' pilot episode. I eagerly await the first appearance of Larry, Daryl and Daryl.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 8, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Mudge... I just set a Season Pass on the Tivo.

Boy, production qualities sure have improved since 1982, haven't they?

Posted by: TBG | June 8, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Mudge... I just set a Season Pass on the Tivo.

Boy, production values sure have improved since 1982, haven't they?

Posted by: TBG | June 8, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Just wanted to say..

Night boodle. Sweet dreams.

Posted by: cassandra s | June 8, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

There's an echo in here.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 8, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the double posts at all. I hit submit once and only once. Then I come back, refresh and see I've hiccuped.


Posted by: TBG | June 8, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching "Antz" with Little Bean.

Nothing like Woody Allen in a CG antsuit to bring out all my existentialist angst.

Posted by: martooni | June 8, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey I didn't back boodle but in case no one mentioned it the Discovery Channel is now showing part 1 of 6 parts..."When we Left Earth."

Posted by: eidrib | June 8, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

eidrib, I'm watching it, for sure.


Posted by: bc | June 8, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

My kid told me today that he is carless. He rides a bicycle, lives close to where he works, and is in the San Francisco area which has mass transit, car sharing, and the like. He had an expensive-to-repair German sports car which was going to need work, so he sold it and doesn't intend on buying another. Still, this is the kid that loves cars, racing, etc. I remember when he was about 18 months old, his favorite thing to do was to sit in the car and pretend to drive. I was amazed that he knew the difference between a car, a truck, and a bus at that age.

Posted by: mostlylurking | June 8, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching history chanels marathon Band of Brothers, the entire series. I started at 11 a.m. and will be watching till near midnite. Its a long day, but this has to be one of the best TV series ever produced.

Posted by: dr | June 8, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

dr - Now you've done it! I successfully fought the urge to provide this link for at least a couple of days!

A perfectly serviceable rendition of "Blood Upon the Risers", accompanied with some graphic but approximately appropriate "Band of Brothers" footage.

Posted by: Bob S. | June 8, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Alas, the weed vaporizing flamethrower is but a dream CP, despite my very broad hints that it would be just the thing for Mothers Day.

I am home at Chez Frostbitten North with Mr. F still in St. Paul to wrap up the house hunt. We made an offer on a "hip" urban loft today and hope to have an answer by noon tomorrow.

Have thoroughly backboodled but my brain is too scrambled to say anything either on boodle or interesting.

Toodles boodle, sweat dreams.

Posted by: frostbitten | June 9, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Don't doubleclick?

Posted by: Jumper | June 9, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

We want pictures, frosti!

nelson, thanks so much for the link on better veggies. It's too late for this year (and I may chicken out on fishheads for next, let alone planting tomatoes 3 feet apart), but it's good to know. I will follow her instructions on preparing the beds next year.

Posted by: dbG | June 9, 2008 5:50 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Boy, the last 24 hours must have been a very slow news day; the WaPo lede story is about some Columbian rebel leader taking over.

Onward and skyward, if not upward.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 9, 2008 5:53 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Boy, the last 24 hours must have been a very slow news day; the WaPo lede story is about some Columbian rebel leader taking over.

Onward and skyward, if not upward.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 9, 2008 5:55 AM | Report abuse

See? I *told* you guys there was an echo in here.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 9, 2008 5:56 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' all...

(and mornin' to you, Mudge, my fellow early riser)

I don't envy you DC'ers today... 101FF? I think that qualifies for the "MF-F" moniker. If the gubmint would move their offices to a more northern location, they'd probably be able to pay for Social Security shortfalls and everything else just with the savings from having to cool all those buildings.

We're supposed to hit 90 today here (which is bad enough) with much muggy, though the rest of the week is looking much more comfortable.

All I know is I've got a back yard to be mowed and a pile of little doors to make today. Barely got out of bed and I'm already sweating like a piggy.

And that's with two fans pointed at me.

Time to fry up a couple of eggs and put on the toast before my sawdust facial...

Peace out :-)

Posted by: martooni | June 9, 2008 6:09 AM | Report abuse

It was somewhere between 93 and 98 about noon when I headed home from my charity bike ride. Don't click the link unless you are willing to see a picture of me in my just a little too tight Georgia Tech biking jersey:

Keep cool everybody.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 9, 2008 6:49 AM | Report abuse

All the hot weather causes power hiccups, as we all know. One of them fried the starter capicitor on my heat pump's compressor. Get one from any electric supply house for, maybe, $30.

The service tech took all of 10 minutes to diagnose and replace the stinking thing. It took him longer to write up the *$300* bill. Grrr...

Then, I show up this morning at work. I'm always early on Monday mornings (0230) to tend to the weekend's black helicopter stuff. You guessed it, the A/C here is carped out as well. BIG GRRR!!!!!

But, after that kvetching, I'm thankfull that this is all that I have to b!tch about. Life could be a whole lot worse.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | June 9, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

Morning folks! Walking the lake early to avoid overheating.

Daughter just ran out the door... Last week of school! Woo hoo!

Posted by: TBG | June 9, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for sharing, yello! I was going to say, kewl! But I know it wasn't.

Another scorching day in store for us. I'll be glad with this heat wave goes away. Wish it would rain.

Oh well, happy Monday, everybody!

Posted by: slyness | June 9, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse


The Colombian story is important, I think. Those rebels now control drug supplies for large portions of the world. And drugs make up large portions of the economy (law enforcement and corrections, not to mention income source for so many).

On the other hand, I'm going to Colombia in a few weeks to see my sister. My husband has been against the trip all along. Now he has something to point to when he says, "Things are NOT any safer than they were when you had to leave!!!"

Posted by: a bea c | June 9, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

The new FARC leader in Colombia is important because he's an experienced negotiator and may have been selected to play the end game for the organization, which has suffered severe reverses recently.

Other reports say Venezuela's Hugo Chavez has told the FARC to quit its guerrila war (excellent story at the WSJ). It looks as though revelations of Venezuelan support for FARC have caused a lot of problems for Chavez.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | June 9, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

"Man it's hot. It's like Africa hot. Tarzan couldn't take this kind of hot."

-Neil Simon "Biloxi Blues"

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 9, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

a bea c,
Have a good trip!

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | June 9, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Too dang hot at home to Boodle...

It's pretty dang warm here, too. *SIGH*

*torpid-and-enervated Grover waves*


Posted by: Scottynuke | June 9, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

It was pretty hot here this weekend as well, had an extremely busy weekend, kids both had friends over so I played lifeguard most of the weekend, plus some gardening, dinner with friends etc. While backboodling I noticed who nicely one could quite quickly get a summary of the top news events.

Had our first Tornado watch last night, little one was pretty nervous = no damage just some very threatening skies.

Have a great day all - stay cool.

Posted by: dmd | June 9, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Chavez hasn't been too happy since those laptops full of interesting emails were recovered. Of course, it is all for the good of the people. Monetary gains and all that are minor concerns...

But, even if this guy is in charge of getting FARC to quit guerrilla warfare, there will be those who won't quit. We saw it before when M-19 decided to become a political party. We had so many presidential candidates shot we wondered if we would have any left on election day. I don't want to see that ever again.

Posted by: a bea c | June 9, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

My kids have field day tomorrow at school. It will be over 100 degrees again. I'm wondering if they should move the event indoors and call it gym day instead.

Posted by: a bea c | June 9, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Much griping and kvetching amongst the workers about no A/C in the building. So much so that the Admiral decided to let people go, with the approval of their immediate supervisor. If you have a mission critical job to do, then you have to stay.

Mind you, I've been here since 0230, so when my boss said that I could go home, it was a bit .... what's the word? Late?

Posted by: Don from I-270 | June 9, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Much praise has, rightly, been showered upon the porch. But after a weekend like this I believe that the virtues of the basement need to be celebrated as well.

On a brutally hot day I find the cool moist air of our basement to be much more refreshing than the artificially-conditioned atmosphere of the upper levels. I can relax, read, commune with lagomorphs, and sip a refreshing beverage smug in the knowledge that I am reducing, slightly, the thermal load on our heat pump and the power requirements therof. This is important because I am an enlightened person who loves the planet and all the baby animals upon it, as well as the fact that my 401K is totally tanking.

So to those of you who are lucky enough to have a subterranean refuge, I encourage you to give it a visit. Just push those cardboard boxes full of textbooks and surplus Tupperware containers aside, shoo away the camel back crickets, and make yourself comfortable.

For the age of the cave dweller has not yet passed.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 9, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Oh man... didn't matter that we walked early.. we got soaking wet from the humidity. Ugh. Not a fun walk but I'm glad I did it. We're postponing tomorrow's walk until Thursday, hoping the heat subsides by then.

a bea c... my daughter's elementary school canceled so many Field Days because of the heat that they started finally scheduling them for April. Ta da! Problem solved! They billed it as working off steam before cramming for SOLs.

I hope you have a wonderful trip to Colombia. How long has it been since you saw your sister?

Posted by: TBG | June 9, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

The AC at my office is not keeping up this AM. There's already grumbling in the ranks. The cobbler's kids go barefoot and the like.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 9, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, my cave is above ground.

I suppose I could break out the shovel and start digging a proper underground one, but that's work and I already have enough.

Speaking of lagomorphs... did I mention that Little Bean and I caught (temporarily, as in for about 30 seconds) a wild adolescent one a couple weeks ago? I forgot how they do the projectile pooping thing (which caused me to drop it, enabling its escape under the neighbor's fence).

It was definitely a "Funniest Videos" moment -- clumsy furry gnome with clumsy cute child discovering, picking up, then getting pooped on by a squealing rabbit. Then there was the running around in circles bumping into things (and in my case, ultimately into the fence) trying to catch it again.

I'm glad Mrs. M's video camera is on the fritz. But then again, that could have been a $100K moment.

Posted by: martooni | June 9, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

TBG, that is a wonderful idea. I'll be pitching it to the principal when I see her next (probably tomorrow as I drip sweat all over her office when I pick up my kids).

I haven't been to Colombia in three years, but I'm lucky I see my sister more often than that. She was living in Germany until a year ago, and I spent some time with her there. She was here in late winter to see my parents, and to show me her big pregnant belly. She has a baby girl now, and that is my main reason for the trip. She's waited so long for a baby, and now I want to celebrate with her.

With the way things are going, I think this may be my last trip to Colombia for a long, long time. I'm glad my kids are old enough now that they'll remember some of it.

Posted by: a bea c | June 9, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

This is post no. 401. 'Bout time for a new kit, methinks.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 9, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Subject: Automobiles (small), Mini's, robots (industrial), John Kelly.

For those of you who remember John Kelly, he has been studying journalism in Oxford for the past 10 months or so. Here is his latest blog entry from the Mini factory in Oxford.


Posted by: DLD | June 9, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm back from my walk, it's so humid out there it was practically a swim. Felt sooo good to come in and wash my face!

Yeah, Mudge, time for a new kit.

Hope everybody stays cool today...

Posted by: slyness | June 9, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

So GWB is counting on future generations to realize he was a success after all...

"White House aides say Bush, who majored in history at Yale, likes to emphasize historical comparisons because they are easy for the public to understand and illustrate in dramatic fashion how differently future generations may come to view him.

"Unfortunately for the president, many historians have already reached a conclusion. In an informal survey of scholars this spring, just two out of 109 historians said Bush would be judged a success; a majority deemed him the 'worst president ever.'"

Posted by: TBG | June 9, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

Didn't read the front page story yet, but
a bea c, from the way you describe it, the Colombia you're planning on visiting is *not* a planned community south of Baltimore.

The "When we Left Earth" documentary last night covered a lot of ground I was already very familar with (though they did leave a few things out like the infamous "Beat Army" sign during the Gemini 6 & 7 rendezvous) and some I wasn't, but the newly released and HD'd NASA footage was spectacular.


Posted by: bc | June 9, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but you know how historical evaluations go. Fifty years from now there will be a revisionist vision of the conventional wisdom. And then a revision of the revision.

Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 9, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

How 'bout we offer up some kit ideas for Joel? (not that he doesn't do a good enough job on his own)

I vote for something about Lynchburg Lemonade and the dangers of combining its consumption with a "slippy slide" or whatever they call those long sheets of wet plastic that kids slip and slide on to keep cool (and middle-aged men hurt themselves on trying to *be* cool).

Not that I have any personal experience (and more importantly, any video) regarding that foolish combination.

Posted by: martooni | June 9, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I managed to record "When We Left Earth" last night, but of course without the full HD effect. I'm still looking forward to watching it.

Having an eastern-exposure window cubicle on the 16th floor is nice in January and February.

June? Not so much.


Posted by: Scottynuke | June 9, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Interesting article about how people accept risk when they feel safer.

I know a bicycle helmet saved me from a serious injury.

Columbian rebels (the ones just south of Baltimore) would be more likely to be protesting the lack of a Wegmans.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 9, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I don't think so, Padouk. The historical perspectives on, say, Franklin Pierce, or Lincoln, or FDR, or Wilson, or Cleveland, or FDR have remained pretty constant over the decades. And then there's that other guy, the first one...Washington, that's it. Not a lot of revisionism on him.

Substantial revisionism has been the exception rather than the rule (at least in terms of consensus; there's always one guy who will buck the trend just for the heck of it. Pat Buchanan [not exactly a leading scholar, BTW] just published a book claiming WWII was "unneccessary." Uh-huh.)

Everybody keeps trotting out the change ion thinking about Truman, and then using that as the example of how ideas about presidents "always change." But in fact Truman is about the *only* one who has gone through substantial re-thinking. In several other cases, it isn't the president's performance or policies that have changed, but more how society has changed its thinking about generally secondary issues. Nobody has much changed their thinking about Jefferson's performance in office, as well as his roles before and after; rather, it is the discovery of his relationship with Sally Hemmings that was "new," and led to some diminishment of his reputation. But this didn't involve any "new thinking" about his policies, ideas, contributions, etc.

Ditto Andy Jackson. For a century he was hailed as a great Indian fighter and westward expansionist, etc. What changed was society's view of treatment of Native Americans' maybe the "Trail of Tears" wasn't such a good idea after all.

A couple weeks ago there was some hullaballoo over "liberals" "re-evaluating" Reagan. It was temporary bushwa. And in part it has to do with people's inability to properly interpret English. The claim was that Reagan was a "transformational" president, which he was. This caused great umbrage in the Clinton camp, on the grounds that Clinton was a much better president than Reagan. But whatever everybody misses is the fact that not all transformations are "good." Bush has been pretty "transformational," too, and it's going to take us a decade to put back together all the things he broke (as well as a lot of the things Reagan broke, such as deregulation of major industries).

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 9, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

My 9th floor Eastern exposure window is, er, warm, too, Scottynuke.

Kinda like a big Not-so-Easy Bake Oven.


Posted by: bc | June 9, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

bc, it's more like we're all big hunks of London Broil... :-O

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 9, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I see your point, Mudge. There are some things so obvious that even revisionist minded historians agree on them.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 9, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I kinda like to think of myself as a filet mignon. (Though I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out what "pink in the center" might mean.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 9, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Complain all you want, fellows, but I'll tell you it can still hover around 82° in an office that's so far away from a window I have to go around three corners just to look out someone else's window.

So quitcher bellyaching.

Posted by: TBG | June 9, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I refer the interested reader to the following provocative article totally without comment, except to note the ironic juxtaposition with current meteorological conditions.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 9, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Wow.. can you imagine this?

Nobel winner reunited with sister lost in WWII...

Posted by: TBG | June 9, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Except in Pat Buchanan's mind, the revisionism for Neville Chamberlain never happened. I can't image Dubya fairing much better long term.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 9, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Thirty-five minutes in the yard, doing long-deferred cutting of spent roses, irises, columbines, and daffodils, and I'm soaking wet. I think I'll just take a shower.

Posted by: slyness | June 9, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Howdy. I'm still having computer problems so late again. Now I can't get my mail off the iPhone either; hope nobody needed to reach me. It is pouring rain here but at least it is sort of cool, and we can use the moisture.

Mudge, pj, Yoki et alia had it right about Joni Mitchell. She started out with a wide range and her early songs are more soprano. Her voice was always idiosyncratic, though, and hard to categorize. She and Joan Baez both suffered from lack of classical instruction. I mean that over time, they lost their upper ranges. It is possible to not do this, but you have to know how. It has nothing to do with your style - each of them could have preserved her own voice without suddenly sounding like a "trained singer". If you want to do it for a long time, singing professionally is not natural.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 9, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Howdy. I'm still having computer problems so late again. Now I can't get my mail off the iPhone either; hope nobody needed to reach me. It is pouring rain here but at least it is sort of cool, and we can use the moisture.

Mudge, pj, Yoki et alia had it right about Joni Mitchell. She started out with a wide range and her early songs are more soprano. Her voice was always idiosyncratic, though, and hard to categorize. She and Joan Baez both suffered from lack of classical instruction. I mean that over time, they lost their upper ranges. It is possible to not do this, but you have to know how. It has nothing to do with your style - each of them could have preserved her own voice without suddenly sounding like a "trained singer". If you want to do it for a long time, singing professionally is not natural.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 9, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse


Also, all those who have tomatoes ripening please remember TBG and I have generously agreed to judge the tomato contest. Judge fax us each a brown paper bag with the tomatoes inside, properly identified. We'll accept all submissions - no entry deadline in this contest.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 9, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Mudge, but due to some side effect of my normal insane thought processes, I immediately combined "blue bottom" with "pink in the center" and, well... I just can't stop laughing.

Nothing personal. I'm just a weird thinker (though perfectly harmless).

Posted by: martooni | June 9, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

A previously unknown kit has appeared!

Look, just trying to mix it up a bit.

Posted by: RD Padouk | June 9, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Martooni, grab your laughs any way you can.

I can't believe you guys are talking about tomatoes already. Mine are only about 8 or 10 inches high.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | June 9, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Some quick thoughts on reinterpretations of history and events:

I believe that subsequent events over time always affect our perspective of past events, as do social, economic, and political contexts of a given time. Seems to me that there are very few moral or ethical absolutes; depending on perspectives, I seem to recall that torture, mass murder, slavery, human sacrifice and even cannibalism have been seen as right and ethical behaviors by some human societies and governments (Note: Any resemblance to the Bush Administration's policies and actions are purely unintentional. Really).

So, if one wants steady work, I would suggest one become a historian and writer. It would help to have thick skin and modest financial needs. Your work may be revised (and possibly even mocked and reviled in the future), and you're unlikely to be paid much for it in the first place.


Posted by: bc | June 9, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Eight or 10-inch tomatoes! WOW!

Oh.. wait... never mind.

Posted by: TBG | June 9, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

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