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Turbo Obama [w/ Palin Update]

[Palin Update: I thought she did quite well in her debut. Seemed confident. Never had a deer in the headlights look. Lotsa energy. Cute kids! The McCain campaign threw long here and it may have been a brilliant gamble. She brings new energy, new excitement, better ratings next week. Might affect the gender gap considerably, though who knows? Obvious downside: The Experience Card is now out the window. She was mayor of a podunk town just a couple of years ago. She's now governor of a state with fewer people than Fairfax County. Would she be ready to be president if something happened to a (72-year-old) President McCain? Some people may argue that she was picked purely as a short-term campaign maneuver -- just like Dan Quayle (remember, women would like him!) -- without the longer term interests of the country in mind. But we'll see. Interesting campaign. (You know the curse: "May you live in interesting times.")]

[McCain camp's pitch for Palin, by email this morning:

"Governor Palin is a tough executive who has demonstrated during her time in office that she is ready to be president. She has brought Republicans and Democrats together within her Administration and has a record of delivering on the change and reform that we need in Washington.
"Governor Palin has challenged the influence of the big oil companies while fighting for the development of new energy resources. She leads a state that matters to every one of us -- Alaska has significant energy resources and she has been a leader in the fight to make America energy independent.
"In Alaska, Governor Palin challenged a corrupt system and passed a landmark ethics reform bill. She has actually used her veto and cut budgetary spending. She put a stop to the "bridge to nowhere" that would have cost taxpayers $400 million dollars.
As the head of Alaska's National Guard and as the mother of a soldier herself, Governor Palin understands what it takes to lead our nation and she understands the importance of supporting our troops.
"Governor Palin has the record of reform and bipartisanship that others can only speak of. Her experience in shaking up the status quo is exactly what is needed in Washington today."]

About Obama last night:

He really dialed it up a notch. He ate his Wheaties and his spinach, with a Red Bull chaser. I worried that he may have taken it a step too far when he pulled out the McCain doll and bit off the ear. But now the pundits can't call Obama an effete wimp anymore. They can't say he's a lettuce-nibbling bunny-boy after seeing him guzzle raw eggs.

Was it over the top, all that bring-it-on stuff? Well, over the top is now the baseline for American politics. No Walter Mondales need apply.

This guy has icewater in his veins when it comes to getting up in front of a big crowd. I never saw him take a sip of water, or break a sweat, or look the slightest bit nervous. Old pro Joe Biden was shaky by comparison.

It was a great speech (check out the comments in the boodle last night). But let me reflexively quibble (as I do all day!). Obama may have opened himself up to charges of overpromising. Just glancing at the text, we see that he vowed to reform the tax code, cut taxes for 95 percent of all working families, end our dependence on Middle East oil in just 10 years (Q: How do we know, when the tanker pulls into port, where the oil originally came from? It's not like it's a different flavor or has a stamp marked Iran), create 5 million jobs in alternative energy, "provide every child a world-class education," pay teachers more, "make sure you can afford a college education," make affordable health care accessible for every single American while lower premiums, make insurance companies nicer, improve sick days and family leave policies, "protect Social Security for future generations," "keep the promise of equal pay for an equal day's work," and pay for all this by closing corporate tax loopholes and "eliminating programs that no longer work."

Great ideas, but I want to see the footnotes.

[Chuck Babington of AP, formerly of The Post, says the speech touched only lightly on specifics. Olbermann on MSNBC excoriated Babington for his article. But Babington's right. It's true, as Olbermann noted, that most pundits applauded the speech for its specifics. But the pundits and Olbermann are wrong and Babington is right. Of course it all depends on what you mean by "specific"! Read the text for yourself, and you make the call.]

Brokaw made note of Obama's playing of the "temperament" card. This came in the wake of a Time magazine transcript of McCaiin being very prickly in an interview. Everyone has heard the stories of McCain's red-faced diatribes. Obama was probably being very calculated, delivering a message to the McCain camp: You can try to staple me to William Ayers or Rev. Wright but we've got the goods on every time your guy went purple.

Was the setting too "imperious," as some chatterers put it? With the temple and whatnot? No: The "temple" was standard political proppery. And note the incredible restraint Obama showed in not rising from beneath the rostrum or parachuting into the stadium from a plane. He didn't jump the temple on a motorcycle like Evel Knievel at Caesar's Palace. That might have seemed egotistical. Obama was just one guy, a very ordinary guy, who happened to be speaking in front of 84,000 adoring fans at a football stadium. It was like America's Living Room, only with concessions and skyboxes and whatnot. Come on, it's not like he staged it on a mountaintop with a sea of supporters filling the valley below. He didn't attempt to speak to us from orbit. Some advisers no doubt counseled him to go up in one of Richard Branson's new spaceships -- to literally rise above our mundane terrestrial politics -- but he wisely stuck with just the stadium. [I am getting backstage guff for being's the coffee...gotta cut down...]

By the way, it was definitely clever of him to call in a hurricane to disrupt the Republican convention schedule. (What can't he do???)

[By the way, my favorite passage in the speech, so perfectly written and so true: "If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things." That's exactly what's happened again and again in recent presidential elections. Gore sighed in the debate. Dukakis wore the silly helmet.]

[Great stuff from Gene Robinson this morning: "African Americans have been an integral part of this nation since its birth and certainly don't need anyone's validation. Still, it feels as if this obvious historical fact has finally been acknowledged in a way that many of us felt we'd never witness in our lifetimes. A black man is running as the Democratic nominee for president of the United States. Can you believe that?"]

[Transcript of Al Gore's speech.]

[McCain to pick Sarah Palin? Who dat??]

[Peggy Noonan liked the music.]

[I don't think so: Krauthammer writes, "The oddity of this convention is that its central figure is the ultimate self-made man, a dazzling mysterious Gatsby. The palpable apprehension is that the anointed is a stranger -- a deeply engaging, elegant, brilliant stranger with whom the Democrats had a torrid affair. Having slowly woken up, they see the ring and wonder who exactly they married last night." Wait, didn't Obama write an incredibly self-revealing memoir (not to count his more recent and policy-oriented book)? Didn't that primary battle go on longer than the Korean War? Obama campaigned in every state this side of South Ossetia. I think we got to know him. This was no torrid fling.]

By Joel Achenbach  |  August 29, 2008; 7:07 AM ET
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Short kit.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

New kits posted during the hour of commute (a.m. variety) do not engender jockeying for FIRST.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

I thought the pomp and circumstance was very befitting a coronation:

In the words of Triumph the Comic Insult Dog, "I keeed, I keed!"

Dan Milbank answers some burning questions:

The columns were Doric.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I suppose Obama could have been a little more specific: cut taxes for 94.7%, reduce dependence on foreign oil in 125 months, create 4,982,000 jobs in renewable energy, pay teachers 16.4% more, and legislate a $4,000 tax credit for education.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I'm kinda glad the latest projections for Gustav aren't reaching Cat 3.

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I'm kind of with that curmudgeonly economist (That adjective isn't copyrighted yet is it?) Samuelson when it comes to lots of these proposals. Show me where the money comes from. I have no doubt that many of these things are going to have to be dialed back in the face of economic reality.

But first you got to get into the White House.

The Temple seems to be getting mixed reviews. But, on the other hand, if there was ever a moment that demanded something a bit over-the-top, this is probably as good of one as any.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Oh my, the temperament card! Shall slip that one in my wallet right away.

Specifics in a rhetorical-high note occasion often deflate. I think he finessed it out of the park but yes, today, shall we examine the details. Of course.

I was thinking about his great beauty, the planes of his face. The deep furrows and large, handle ears are so in concert. I am glad that he did not have his ears pinned back as per Hollywood notions of aesthetics. Francis Bacon knew that the sum of parts can astonish and delight.
There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion. END QUOTE
From "Of Beauty"
English author, courtier, & philosopher (1561 - 1626)

Posted by: College Parkian | August 29, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

This is an imperfect analogy, but here it is anyway. I got to thinking about the state of the union in 1932, and how Hoover presided over a failed administration. The world economy was in shambles, a great menance was rising in Germany, Americans were shaken and scared. Our situation today resembles that, and we need Leadership with a capital L to bring us out of it. That leadership won't be provided by the Republican party. I hope enough of us realize that to ensure that Obama wins.

Posted by: slyness | August 29, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Back at it. G'morning, all!

Posted by: Bob S. | August 29, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I though the columns were ironic, not dorkic.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

The forecast discussion for Gustav is remarkable for emphasizing uncertainties--so the storm will probably hit Monday (that's a lot of time for planning) somewhere between Mississippi and Texas, and its winds will be of unknown strength.

Hanna is much more of a puzzle. One model shows it heading south to hit Haiti.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | August 29, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Hard hearted Hannah would not be the first hurricane to loop. Juan (1985) looped twice, churning the Gulf and making a path for Elena, which battered Cedar Key.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse


Do NOT take Brag's suggestion and read the Krauthammer column. In fact, take some blood pressure medicine before reading the rest of my boodling.

Chuckie K prominently uses the "p-drama" word. Then he makes a lot of hay over the fact that Hillary did not endorse Obama explicitly, but instead praised a generic Democrat. (Where have we heard that theory?)

He then goes and floats a giant lead trial zeppelin: Nobody really likes Obama personally. Obama can't even fill a podium of personal friends that will say what a swell guy he is. He's hated by everybody in the Senate. Even John McCain.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Krauthammer decently omitted that Jesse Jackson suggested surgery.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

And apropos of S'nuke being the only watch on deck, you federal gummint workers are a bunch of lazy AWOL no-show. Tom Coburn says so:

Wait until he finds out about the Boodle.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

That's Jackson pere, fils was pretty good.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Late on the last boodle, BadSneakers said: "... work today will be a challenge as I will be attempting to do some tasks that I haven’t been very well trained for. I’m frustrated about it ..."

Cheer up. Have you heard the saying: "Don't let not knowing what you are doing keep you from doing it."

Hey, it works for Arbusto. Good luck, sneaks!!


I love CP's quote about proportion. It reminds me of my forhead, which extends all the way up and over to the back of my neck. PPpppffft.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | August 29, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

While waiting for Obama's speech last night, I watched Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. Compared to Obama, Gore and Kerry really seemed old and tired. Bill, however, looked better than when he was President. I also watched Jimmy Carter's interview--he's very sharp, too.

Great comparisons between Clinton and Obama, ("too inexperienced" to be commander in chief? Not.) and between Lincoln and Obama (similar resumes) -- although I think Obama is more like Roosevelt in his potential. Loved to hear George Washington quoted as the authority in opposition to torture.

And Bill Clinton's immortal words need to be in the very next edition of Bartlett's Quotation: (I don't have the exact quote, but from memory...) 'People everywhere have always been less impressed by the example of our power, than by the power of our example.'

All in all, an inspiring evening. I was impressed by Obama's fearlessness. I was afraid for him, kept having terrible visions of Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, JFK, Gandhi, etc. etc. But Obama's calm presence was reassuring, and continues to give me hope. (Credit of course to the Secret Service and other law enforcement agencies, working hard to keep everybody safe.)

Posted by: kbertocci | August 29, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

New Orleans has been moving to high ground north of Lake Ponchartrain. Good story from the St. Petersburg Times.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | August 29, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Senator Coburn (R-OK) will probably introduce legislation requiring federal employees to get a bathroom pass from their supervisors, signed in triplicate and copied to his office to account for those 67 lost minutes.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Better link to the doric-y Milbank column.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

The Lone Aviahooch been watching the Boodle's six o'clock position while attention is on Obama.

The Neocons are planning sumptin as they just got hammered in distant Kazakstan yesterday. This could lead to some rash moves by The Evil One next week in Tiblisi.

Meanwhile, Russia is making a big to do over an American passport found in Tskhinvali, suposedly proving American conspiracy in the Georgian attack on Russian peacekeepers.

Watch your backs. We still have four months of Neocon skulduggery from the Observatory and its White House branch office.

Alexey Braguine is the author of Kingmaker, a geopolitical thriller.

Posted by: Braguine | August 29, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

According to Joel, Coburn should focus on absenteeism elsewhere in the capitol...


Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Make that Dorkic Milbank column.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Now we know why Joel didn't get sent to Denver as part of the convention SWAPO team. Somebody had to stay behind and mind the store.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse


To-may-toe, to-mah-tah.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I don't see this idolization of Obama based on fuzzy concepts as necessarily bad. This election is between two radically different candidates. And because these two candidates are so far apart, the criteria for deciding between them need not be based upon an exhaustive policy analysis. It's like fixating on the air conditioning when trying to decide between a HumVee and a Prius.

Now, at some point, these policy matters need to be hammered out by sober serious individuals who are willing to make hard choices. But this really is something that should be part of the legistlative process with the Chief Executive setting the priorities. And the Chief Executive needs to be strong enough and popular enough to compromise without being eviscerated as unprincipled.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Now that that is over, perhaps, yello, you can stop calling it a "coronation." I saw that word at least twice in the last 24 hours in your posts.

Republicans sure get grumpy when they know they've backed a loser.

Posted by: Yoki | August 29, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Don't worry, yello, I'm not going anywhere near Krauthammer. But thanks for the wave-off.

Babbington with his Loomis-like complaint about lack of specifics isn't "right"; he is merely "accurate" in his observation. It's like going to a baseball game and noting that there was no poetry reading going on down on the field, or attending a learned seminar and wondering why there were no strippers popping out of the birthday cake.

No, indeed there weren't many specifics, no "footnotes," as Joel calls them. And while it is not unreasonable at some point to want -- nay, even to "demand" -- a reasonable set of details and footnotes, it ought to be quite, quite, quite (I'm damn near tempted to go into all caps for the necessary emphasis) obvious that an acceptance speech at the climax of a political convention is NOT the time to break out line items from a 10,000-page budget and begin discussing the effing details you people claim you want.

The speech was about what? 45 minutes long? And how long did you want it to be, what with all those details and footnotes and qualifiers and explanations thrown in? Four hours? Six hours? What were you gonna do, Mr. Babbington, sit there with your adding machine and take notes and start running tallies as Obama proceeded to go over his proposed Article 51 Section 96 subpaaragraph j, subsection c, "Allocation of farm subsidies to beleagured soy bean farmers on the western slopes of eastward-facing rock upthrusts"?

I mean, jeez, it's like going to a stoner rock concert and complaining about the lack of a good wine cellar selection and the lousy hors d'oeuvres.

The place to look for the details and the footnotes is in the candidates' Web site', where all the platform points and position papers and White Papers ought to be, and then if the details are still lacking, THAT'S where you have a legitimate complaint. I have no idea if Obama's (or McCain's; turnabout is fair play) Web site has such details spelled out -- and quite frankly, I really don't give a hairy rat's patoot, because this election is VERY clearly NOT about the g--d--- footnotes and details the nit-picking beancounters claim they want.

To quote the much underrated Roseanne Roseannadanna, "Mr. Babbington, for such a smart guy you ask a lot of dumb questions." There ARE no footnotes regarding leadership. There IS no fine print regarding the ending of torture. There IS no 17-point plan for regaining the world's respect. There ARE no lists of 27 things-to-do-today to rebuilding the United States government, throwing out the sonsab1tches who've corrupted the White House, Justice Department, Defense Department, nearly completely destroyed the EPA, bilked the treasury for billions, misspent billions more in half a dozen ways.

But no. You want to know the details of where the tax cut is coming from.

Mr. Babbington, bite me.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 29, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

*faxin' 'Mudge a caprihina enclosed in a little "do not open 'til 4:59:59 p.m." Lucite case*


Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

The Hubbard Act, named for Jason Hubbard whose two brothers were killed in Iraq where Jason also served, requires that the government not demand repayment of any bonus paid to a sole survivor who requests redeployment. Jason asked for a return home after his brothers were killed and the government said he had to repay his bonus and then failed to pay him thereafter. Typical idiotic bureaucracy that it takes an Act of Congress to correct.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Cnbc is reporting that McCain has picked Sarah Palin as his VP. Don't know who she is - it was just a ticker note.

Posted by: Wheezy | August 29, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, I hate it when I go to a ZZTop concert and there's no sommelier.

I will guess that part of the reason that Babington didn't find the speech to be as rich in specifics as most pundits is that he spent a long time covering the Hill and knows how hard it is to get any of these sorts of things accomplished.

But thank you for sharing, as always.

Posted by: Achenbach | August 29, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I think Palin is a very smart choice, though before I take a firm stand on that I want to find out who the heck she is. Related to Michael??

Posted by: Achenbach | August 29, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Alasks governor?

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, a self-styled "hockey mom" who has only been governor for a little over a year, is GOP Presidential candidate John McCain's choice for Vice President, CNBC has learned."

Posted by: Wheezy | August 29, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Alaska's governor.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Mudge makes the observation, with admirable vigor, that the specifics are out there if anyone really cares. And I agree. But the deeper point is that, I assert, the specifics are really kinda irrelevant. They won't sway voters, and they won't hold up to scrutiny anyway. As Samuelson points out, the proposals of both candidates have fantasy elements far greater than any theatrical backdrop.

But that's okay. I view these things as little more then strawman proposals. Neither candidate has it all worked out yet. It's just that I really think Obama, by virtue of intelligence, flexibility, and popular support, has a much better chance of doing so as President that does McCain.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Sheesh, how many PUMAs does McSame think there are? Is this an attempt to siphon them off? Calling your wife a c**t is not designed to endear one to feminists.

Posted by: Wheezy | August 29, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

And while I'm ranting, let's just examine the underlying premise that all these "details" and footnotes and White Paper breakdowns are even important. It's been bugging me for forty years that people claim these things are somehow important, and people like Babbington (and to be fair, many others) claim they want to see them.

But let me ask, why?

Does anybody really think that any voters anywhere are going to use these somewhat arcane "details" about this or that or the other issue to decide who they are gonna vote for?

Is there any voter anywhere who is so mind-numbed and brain dead that he/she really can't decide the difference between McCain and Obama, and so needs to consider whether Obama's proposal for a 16-percent reduction in widget allocation is superior to McCain's proposal for a 14.7-percent widget reduction spread out over two years? Can I see a show of hands of how many of you think people decide how they're gonna vote based on this kind of microscopic platform dissection?

Can somebody give me an example of so much as one teeny-tiny kind of "detail" they'd want to know that would be a tipping point in favor of either candidate?

Already 80 percent of the discussion about how irrational people are when they vote ("I want to have a beer with Bush," fer cryin' out loud) has vast agreement that people vote for bizarre reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with rational examination of "the facts" (position papers, policy, ideology, history of past voting, integrity issues, flip-flopping, feeling up little boys in airport mens' rooms, etc.)

So can we not for once just be honest? We don't give a rat's patoot about all these details some people claim they want. The broad strokes are perfectly fine and perfectly adequate just the way they are, in terms of a candidate's general position.

And while we're at it, somebody please explain to me what kinds of "details" if made available would make a voter change his/her mind about "I don't like his wife' I think she's mean"? "I just won't vote for a [black man; woman; Mormon someone who is too old; Catholic; anti-abortion; pro-abortion; someone who is too young; and a thousand similar sometimes rational but often irrational and idiotic ideas].

Can we not please just acknowledge the truth? All these "details" are simply irrelevant window-dressing. Everybody knows it. So can we now stop the hypocrisy of pretending they are important and meaningful?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 29, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Dangit, took too much time watching CNBC in the elevator lobby to be first with the Palin news!!!

Wonder if she'll do a Silly Walk at the convention? Oh, wait...


Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin would know about trust funds for all citizens, which I think is an economic idea whose time could be just around the corner...long corner, but still.

Check out "capitalism 2.0, the Peter Barnes' book and the emerging movement. Briefly, as concerns trusts -- which Alaskans enjoy in the form of returns TO ALL CITIZENS based on the states oil resources --:

Barnes argues for the creation of a commons trust, based on a new property right in the Commons. Property rights tend to endure, whereas government policies do not. Governments and citizens should begin to view public assets like the spectrum, national parks,water bodies, or the air as commonly held goods that we "propertize, don't privatize."

Complex, yes. Revolutionary. Yes. But, Alaska did this. Let the laboratory of the states, as Jefferson predicted, give us models. Montana is dabbling in trust notions.

Posted by: College Parkian | August 29, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Mudge - I think we are saying pretty much the same thing.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I should say, I am Obama-firm. The Palin thing just made me excited about what Alaska could teach the rest of us.

Off to bike through my errands. Love the mist and cool air. August, where art thou?

Posted by: College Parkian | August 29, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't even going to blogplug my coronation picture, but I had spent a good bit of time on it and a few people found the concept intriguing. It amused me, which is my criteria for noteworthiness. YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary, Jumper).

It did lay the ground work for the Milbank doricky link which mined the same vein, so if nothing else, I'm good company depending on your opinion of Dork Milbank.

It will not surprise anyone here that I am not a Democrat by birth or temperament, but I love you guys here in the Boodle, bless your bleeding little hearts.

I was not enthused about Dubya's nomination in 2000. I was backing Dan Quayle, the lesser of two morons. Since the Iraq invasion my despisement (that oughta be a word) of the current administration and its lackeys and camp followers has become visceral.

I cannot wait until these clowns are out of office. Someday a Republican will come along that meets my libertarian fiscal conservative bent without being a Ron Paul level whacko. Until then I just have to wander in the desert waiting for the messiah to come that will lead us like Obama is leading the Democrats.

McCain is not that person. When he campaigned for Dubya in 2004 I knew he had sold his soul for the chance at the top slot that he had been dirty-tricked out of. I lost all respect for his integrity four years ago. And nothing he has done since has regained my trust.

I also have an irreverent and defiantly tasteless bordering on sacrilegious sense of humor. Nothing is beyond ridicule or satire. I know that bugs TrueBelievers around here that see any fun-poking as playing into the hands of the Dark Side. It's a risk I take.

I will concede that the "coronation" gag is played out and I was late to the party. Perhaps for equal time, I will come up with something equally dismissive for McCain. Like proposing that he deliver his speech from the inside of bamboo tiger cage. Wait, someone beat me to it.

In the meantime, "McCain Just Doesn't Get It" has a certain ring that just nails it. I think they have a wind-surfing level meme there.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"Laboratories of Democracy" was also championed by Louis Brandeis and Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Polin would complicate things. For there certainly are women who follow the "any woman over any man" school of feminism. But I imagine there are also some Republicans who might blanch at the notion of a septuagenarian Presidential candidate with a female running mate.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Weird times at the Lafayette, Louisiana Walmart last night. Canned goods--gone. Water--gone. Camp stoves--gone. I was thinking of taking the train to San Antonio this weekend--sold out.

Posted by: dave m. | August 29, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

SCC: Sarah Palin. Gosh, how could I get that wrong since she's so well known and all.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all. Happy birthday to firsttimeblogger. Mine is tomorrow. I think of myself as in the prime of life, but the Boy follows frostdottir's view, often noting that I must know about history because I've lived through so much of it.

RD and Mudge are right. Obama's speech (which I will be viewing soon) was intended to hit the highlights of what he wants to do, not explain precisely how. That's for later.

I believe it is possible that under other circumstances voters might look at policy details when considering candidates. For instance, if I were choosing between two candidates, say two white men, whose policies were similar, I'd probably have to look at details to decide. But Obama and McCain offer such stark contrasts that I'd be very surprised if voters actually had to look at the policy details to choose. Yes, a white paper might cause one to say, "I don't want Obama to accomplish this goal in THAT way." However, it is certain that McCain wouldn't be interested in accomplishing the goal at all. If you share the goal, the policy detail won't sway your vote. And, as Mudge notes, you're probably not voting for specific goals in this election - other than the Democratic goal of changing the focus of the government.

Posted by: Ivansmom | August 29, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is America's Hottest Governor.

Sorry, O'Malley fans.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Yes, we're saying the same thing, Padouk-- and you said it much better and much more concisely than I did.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 29, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

Joel, thanks for running with those ideas I posted in Wednesday's Boodling about a Knievel motorcycle jump and a privately-funded rocket (mine being steam-powered in deference to Al Gore) at Mile High for Obama's speech...

Listened to the TurbObama speech in the car on the way home from the Washington NFL Franchise presason game (more on that later). I thought it was a good strong speech, but I found myself thinking it was a little too cute in spots (e.g. the '"Ownership Society"/on your own' bit), and that the specific language used in this goal: "In 10 years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East." Doesn't say we won't have *any* Middle East oil, just that we won't be "dependent" on it. Should be possible to claim victory there with some soid work, though I am concerned that this idea will cheese off Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc., and that those countries are going to get active ($$$) in the next two months to help the GOP win the General Election.

I am very encouraged by the related $150B energy program, though - thought to myself, "Here's Omama's Moon Shot. Good!"

I agree with those that say TurbObama said everything he needed to say with style and a refreshingly feisty attitude, and that he blunted a lot of what McCain and the GOP have been and are going to say about him over the next couple of months. Well done.

Now, to the Washington NFL Franchise preseason game. The less said, the better.
If the NFL were a running league, as it was in the '80s, this team would be a legit Super Bowl contender. They have a fleet of 'backs - from Portis to Mason - that would make Knute Rockne, Paul Brown, and Vince Lombardi giggle with glee.

However, the NFL is is pass-first league, and any effectiveness of Washington's passing game is purely theoretical at this point, and may require the use of CERN's LHC and the Hubble Telescope to detect any positive effects of it.

As for the game itself - well, I've never gotten into or out of that stadium so quickly. Few came and few stayed past Jax's 4th quarter touchdown.

If they finish 6-10 this season, I'll call that a good year.

I expect that they'll be done playing long before the Presidential Inauguration.


Posted by: bc | August 29, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Greek roots palin (πάλιν; "back") which helps build that bridge to the 20th century.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

RDP, you obviously had Abe Polin on the brain...


Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Someliers at a concert?

Someliers should be banned from all public gatherings. The State Department has already listed Somalia as a terrorist state.

Posted by: Brag | August 29, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Dang! I had a lot of money on Tim Pawlenty based on the prediction of a certain fly-away-haired political savant.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Scottynuke - I thought the same thing!

Mudge - I reject your kind assertion that my posts were better. Just different personal styles.

Hey - gotta dive back into things afore that Senator Coburn fellow comes a knocking.

Have a great weekend everyone.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I'm gonna throw something out there. Perhaps as the mother of five, Palin ran the least risk of a Larry Craig level scandal. Just sayin'.

From her locked-down Wikipedia article:

"Details of Palin's personal life have contributed to her political image. She hunts, eats moose burgers, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane.[6][7] Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. She admits that she used marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it."

Not exactly a Phyllis Schlafly kind of image.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

NYT's Bumiller is reporting a McCain aide is throwing cold water on the Palin-as-VP atory...

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

From Celebritolgy, Joel's old classmate is 'fessin' up.

Let's hope it wasn't contagious.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse


The Times’s Elisabeth Bumiller sends the following:

Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska? As reports circulated on television and cable networks on Friday morning that Senator John McCain might have selected Ms. Palin as his running mate, McCain advisers expressed bewilderment. One adviser said that while Mr. McCain thinks highly of Ms. Palin, who is opposed to abortion rights and would be welcomed by Christian conservatives, her less than two years in office would undercut one of the McCain campaign’s central criticisms of Senator Barack Obama — that he is too inexperienced to be commander-in-chief.

“While it’s a dramatic and interesting choice, it would make the argument he’s making difficult to make,” said one McCain adviser.

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

dave m.,
Thanks for the Wal*Mart report. Just before Fay, ours was out of ramen noodles and canned tuna.

A colleague is moving to Lafayette shortly. He reported gaining weight on his initial visit.

It's kind of late to be of any help, but I noticed that among the numerous food-in-a-pouch offerings at an Indian grocery in Orlando was "Jambalaya".

Waiting/preparing for a storm is no fun. Best wishes.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | August 29, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

i agree with mudge et al about the issue of specifics. a policy-wonkish speech with footnotes would not have been appropriate for an acceptance speech. it's all about genre.

palin is an interesting choice. sure, it's an obvious play for the female demographic. but how refreshing that the gop is forced to think about women's votes, however they do it.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | August 29, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Two other interesting points about Palin:

1) she only has two years' experience. The silver lining to this may be that we won't have to hear a lot of crap any more oabout Obama not having enough experience.

2) Although she's opposed to gay marriage per se, she has gay friends and once vetoed a piece of anti-gay legislation. Wonder how *that's* gonna sit with the evangelicals?

She appears to be *very* strong on integrity and corruption fighting--but most of the corrupt politicans she battled in Alaska were -- Republicans.

Pro-life, but that's a given. This may dissuade any otherwise pro-choice women who muight be attracted to her candidacy. Or, given the irrationality of the PUMAs, maybe not.

Looks like Tina Fey.

All in all, methinks this was an unexpectedly smart choice.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 29, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Gov. Palin's definitely not one of the more unattractive governors.

Posted by: Bob S. | August 29, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Mudge and RD are saying pretty much the same thing. But, RD, you have to admit that Mudge is saying it with such... flair!

I notice that Sarah Palin's Official Gubernatorial Web Site does not load. Is it too busy? Getting changed even as we speak? Or is it a primitive piece of junk? I cannot tell. Just this morning, I was derided by my Spouse as too backwards to comprehend Web 0.2, much less Web 2.0. I am a caveman.

Posted by: PlainTim | August 29, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

So S'nuke, my Pawlenty money is safe for now? I have a side bet on Crist, but see my 10:18 for the odds on that.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Liz Kelly had a cute one-liner, noting that today "(most of) Michael Jackson" turns 50.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 29, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Thanks also for some interesting Boodles the last couple of days (spinning off interesting Kits of course). I was in and out all yesterday so have just caught up. I haven't been watching the convention, though I'm seeing the big speeches the next day, and the Achenblog really has been my primary source for convention coverage.

Obama. Biden. Obamabiden. Obamiden. Obabiden. Obiden. Bibama. I'm about to break into "the name game" here - oBama Bama Obama banana nana. . . .

Posted by: Ivansmom | August 29, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Just backboodled and I loved Slyness' post speech exhortation to Sen. McCain!

I loved Tim Kaine's speech yesterday, but then I am his biggest fan, so that's no surprise.

I am dumbfounded that Palin is McCain's pick. The Republicans have pounded Obama for his lack of experience so this pick pretty much negates that line of attack, I would think. I think reasonable people of either party would believe that McCain, at his age and with his history of physical abuse, absolutely needs somebody who could plausibly step into the presidency and I just don't see how anyone could make that argument about Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Kim | August 29, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Fox says it has confirmed Palin is the pick.

Posted by: Achenbach | August 29, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

TurbObama is causing conservative pundit derangement syndrome. Krauthammer is much worse than usual and the usually sane Brooks over at the NYT is babbling incoherently.
Mrs. Palin is an interesting republican, being against corruption and having a son in the military.
She'll bring the critical Alaska vote to the Mccain side, not that Alaska was threatening to vote Democrat though. I can see that some republicans will be disturbed by a 73 yo candidate having a youngish (she's 4 years younger than me!) female candidate of limited experience (less than 2 years as governor of a very small and very rich state). Married to a native Innu, no less, as well. I'm sure some will have a problem with that too.
McCain just undermined his lack of experience argument he's continually using against the Barack O.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | August 29, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

CNN confirming Palin's the pick...

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Of course Alaska is small in population only. Otherwise it's huge, immense, of Canadian proportions...

Posted by: shrieking denizen | August 29, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

NY Times confirming as well...

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

An Alaska:Hawaii showdown of the later day states?

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Dammit. I was hoping he'd pick someone I could truly despise.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 29, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

la lurker - i was thinking the same thing that it's a little obvious... let's see:

white republican older man picks a young white woman (with little experience) married to a native american man

black democrat (with little experience) picks an somewhat older white man

mccain clearly wants to pick up the clinton voters who say they'll never vote for obama...

either way - guaranteed history - first black male president or first female VP.

Posted by: mo | August 29, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I can't help but feel that a party that prides itself on being above identity politics would embrace a choice that is so blatantly all about identity politics.

Imoutahere for a nice long weekend.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Wing nuts on CNBC are pretty much split on Palin - one moans "imagine the stature gap when she has to debate with Biden!" I love it.

She has 5 kids, youngest has Down syndrome.

Posted by: Wheezy | August 29, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I mean, I can't help but feel *surprised* that a party that prides itself on being above identity politics would embrace a choice that is so blatantly all about identity politics.


Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Thank you especially for your comments on Krauthammer. What are we supposedly learning about our new bride that makes us wonder whom we married? Obama has been about as open, and about as consistent, as you can be as a presidential candidate. I think what Charlie doesn't like is that "no one sent him." Charlie needs someone else to validate Obama because, I guess, Charlie doesn't think Obama can validate himself. As Obama has long pointed out, he's always been his own candidate, ever since his early days in Chicago -- no one ever "sent him." That's a big part of why he's able to be the independent politican he is, and not be beholden to the people who sent him, as so many politicians have been in the past.

Posted by: Frank S | August 29, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Dang. I think I'm getting a crush on Mudge. You've been on a roll, baby.

Posted by: KPage | August 29, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Front Page Alert, BTW...

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

McCain needed to lock in Alaska's electoral vote to counter Biden's capturing of Delaware.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Picking Palin portends pulling passionate PUMAs past party pledges, particularly pro-preservative portions piqued post- Presidential primaries.

Probably profitable per psephological 'publican product.


Posted by: bc | August 29, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Picking a veep as pro-life as it gets (on the sane side of the divide that is) in order to pick up the feminist boomer vote that can't get over Hillary's defeat may not be such a great idea. These ladies do care about their reproductive rights, me think.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | August 29, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Howdy frank s and stay dry there, dave m. Good thoughts to all other potential hurricane-storm targets.

Palin is an interesting choice. As far as I know she's only been involved in one minor scandal since taking office, which seems pretty good for Alaska politics. She was elected as a reformer. However, it does undercut that "experience" trope. Perhaps the McCain campaign sensed it was time to close that out. Perhaps not and they're relying on cognitive dissonance. I admit I'm a little disturbed by the prospect of an over-70 rich and powerful guy squiring around a much younger woman. I know she is accomplished and I'm sure she was chosen at least partly on merit, but it just smacks of "trophy wife".

Posted by: Ivansmom | August 29, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

That is a strange choice,but this is a strange election to say the least. I watched Obama's speech last night between working duties and it was very good. Those democrats have some very good speech writers. I really like the fact that it was in Invesco Field and close to 80,000 were in attendance.

It looked to be alot less attending the Skins game and yes they were dissappointing. I guess it will be a tough year for both Washington and Baltimore football fans. But it is Football and I will enjoy watching it whoever is playing.

It looks the Ravens will have no choice but to start Joe Flacco in their opener.Thankfully we open at home against Cincy,who has had one of the worst defenses over the past 5 years.

Joe Flacco now at least that is a good sounding sports name!!

The rain has stopped in WV for now,my garden has been whispering "thank you" all morning long

Posted by: greenwithenvy | August 29, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Palin is nine days older than me. Wondering how world events would have evolved if I had gone to high school in Alaska and Sarah had been in the Model United Nations club. Hmmm....

McCain's two oldest sons (from his first discarded wife) are older than her. Just gonna make for an interesting platform grouping if they go full-family at the convention.

Her five kids are named Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper and Trig. A Wonkette wag wondered if she was naming children or sled-dogs.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm laughing, Ivansmom: you may have just coined the Dem agline: McCain and his "trophy" Veep. That's pretty devastating, when you think about it, on so many levels.

Actually, I do think the vastly experienced Biden really *will* have a problem debating her: he can't appear condescending to her inexperience, he can't come on too strong, etc. He'll have to walk a tightrope dealing with her.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 29, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

From the WaPo, re. Palin:

"Campaign believes rift caused by Democratic primary gives them an opportunity to pick up votes from disgruntled women."

OK Dem women, how can Obama gruntle you?

How can Hillary re-gruntle you?


Posted by: bc | August 29, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

If you look at McCain's younger years as a corvette driving, womanizing, partying, plane crashing hot shot, Palin becomes an even more interesting choice. Has there ever been a first lady who was jealous of the VP?

Posted by: dave m. | August 29, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Interesting photo of Palin on the home page in her "Talk to the hand" mode.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 29, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey everyone. And a thank you shout-out to Ivansmom and hearty HBTY greetings in turn for you tomorrow!

I understand, btw, that Palin is under investigation herself. Well, she is a Republican, after all. What a cynical choice. Very, very funny. A mayor of a town of 4 people and governor for, what -- 2 years? Oh, sure, I'm gonna be thrilled that she's one heartbeat away.

I loved Obama's speech last night, and checked in with a high muckety-muck in the Michigan delegation, who happens to be African-American. He said the historic nature of the speech and all the other speakers made it magnificent.

And the fact that Obama took his gloves off and bared his teeth made me almost jump up and down (which I would have done if my knees would let me).

One more thing -- Mudge, I ***LOVE*** what you said -- all the things you said!

Smiles to all -- oh, make that outright BEAMS of satisfaction, of inclusiveness, of leadership which leads instead of merely talking about leading, and of the welcome back of dignity for this country.


Posted by: firsttimeblogger | August 29, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Hmm -- I seemed to have mixed some metaphors. One doesn't not need to take one's gloves off to bare one's teeth.

I suspect you all knew what I meant, eh?

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | August 29, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I considered making a "trophy Veep" comment earlier myself, but thought it might be getting a little too close to name-calling...

I don't know anything about Palin, but I agree with those who posit the idea that this takes the whole "inexperience" argument right out of the GOP arsonal. Should McCain win, she'd be VP to the oldest first-term president in history, and while he is in good health, should something happen to McCain that rendered him unable to fulfill the duties of the office - hello, President Pailn.

Huh. A few days ago, who would have predicted *that*?


Posted by: bc | August 29, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

So McCain picks Liz Lemon for Veep. Someone in his campaign has been listening to Frosti about needing experience as a small-town mayor.

I predict some sort of nanny fiasco brings a little drama to the ticket. I know.. I know... double standard and all that.. but I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: TBG | August 29, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

SCC: "Palin"


Posted by: bc | August 29, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

This is the caption on the picture of Liz Lemon on the WaPo home page...

"Palin, shown at her gubernatorial inauguration, was the mayor of a small town just two years ago. She would be the first Republican vice-presidential nominee. "

Do they know something we don't know? He's going to pick another one, too?

Posted by: TBG | August 29, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Drive by boodling, off to the mountains today.

“Trophy Veep” and “gilf” are keepers.

I think the campaign slogan that McCain “just doesn’t get it”, while maybe accurate, is quite dangerous and alienating. That phrase is the “you’re with us or against us” of the left and will drive ordinary people away.

Posted by: SonofCarl | August 29, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Larry Kudlow is sputtering, admitting she's not ready to be Commander-in-Chief, but she'll be "studying under McCain, she'll be ready."

So much comic potential there.

Posted by: Wheezy | August 29, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

While looking at Palin in Wikipedia I wondered if I could find evidence from the History page of the last few days that her selection had been telegraphed by the edits. There were a lot of edits in the last 24 hours. I haven't tried the same thing with the Romney page.

Internet out since noon yesterday. Back on this morning. I'm past the point of rage. They have promised repair within 24 more hours. I have about 20 windows open to catch up on reading.

The useful one so far was "condoms for flash drives";txt

Posted by: Jumper | August 29, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I too was intrigued by Alaska's giving money back, but I think that getting money back from your state is a lot easier when you have a small population that's been nursing generously at the Federal teat.

We can say that people know how to spend their money better than the government, but that begs the question of how you get projects done that benefit everyone. I'm not seeing the interstate system built up with private funds, although Governor Good Hair (thank you Molly Ivins) really tried to push that here in Texas. I think it stuck in voters craws when they found out the company awarded the bid was a Spanish company. Sometimes you need infrastructure that won't necessarily be profitable. Rural mail service anyone? Our town raised the prices at the community swimming pools in summer, then wondering why usage went down. Never mind the problem of bored lower income kids with nothing to do, and the cost of fencing in upscale neighborhoods and McMansions so that you can feel safe.

I always thought that paying taxes ought to be like paying for insurance, where everybody pays something because you might need it as well. The old civic responsibility thing. Doesn't seem to work that way; the insurance company pays dividends to stock holders when it makes money, and raises the premiums in years when it has to pay out. House of representatives works by paying for votes by putting in pork in bills. We need to change more than the people, we need to change what our system of government has become.

End of rant. Must put nose back on grindstone now.

Posted by: km2b | August 29, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Expect to see a run on palindromes in the media. Words such as redder, civic, tenet, deified and xanax will undoubtedly peep up in the news.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I think everytime I see her name Palin, I will think about Michael Palin in "A Fish Called Wanda" and his many attempts to give granny a heart attack!!!

Posted by: greenwithenvy | August 29, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Fun fact: We've now got a presidential candidate from Hawaii and a vice-presidential candidate from Alaska, which weren't states 50 years ago (both admitted to the Union in 1959), and a presidential candidate residing in Arizona, which wasn't a state 100 years ago (admitted in 1912), after having been born in the Panama Canal Zone.

Posted by: allbetsareoff | August 29, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

But can she do a silly walk?

My internet outages ate my last comment, wherein I approved of "Lanky" as being linky,suggested "Obama: no friends in Washington" might not sour the undecided on Barry, and noted that my calling Obama "Barry" cracks my neighbor up, although I'm not sure why.

Posted by: Jumper | August 29, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

In addition to the various other historical milestones associated with this campaign season, I suppose it has to be noted that, for the first time in U.S. history, I'm older than both a major party presidential candidate and a veep candidate.


Posted by: Bob S. | August 29, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Some of my all-time favorite folks are female mayors of small towns in the frozen north up near the Canuckistani border.

Of course, most of the female small-town mayors I know are former chopper jockies, so maybe that makes a difference. Palin only owns a seaplane (not clear whether she merely owns it, or can also fly it). But in an aerial dogfight, all my money's on Frosti.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 29, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

It's OK, Bob, ya get used to it. That's also how I felt about that snot-nosed young whippersnapper George Washington.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 29, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

very good points - i think mccain is not thinking straight...

female veep = disgruntled obama hater - clinton lover vote BUT clinton lovers are notoriously feminist and pro choice and may resent a much younger attractive choice as being condescending and pandering?

very little experience = i dunno... that's a strange one cuz that's his major blast on obama

alaska vote = huh? what's the population of alaska anyway - has the electoral college ever been won by alaska?

native american husband and kid with down's syndrome = hispanic vote and women with bleeding hearts...

just doesn't add up to me... doesn't bring me over to the mccain camp even if i DIDN'T like obama... which i do!

Posted by: mo | August 29, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

The more I think about this the more I conclude that, when viewed through the cynical lens of identity politics, Palin is a brilliant choice.

Consider, McCain automatically picks up the "Any Woman over Any Man" voters. Next, he picks up those disgruntled Clinton supporters who are seeking philosophical cover to diss Obama.

But the true genius of this strategy is that it has little potential backlash. For those voters who are sexist enough to resist a female VP are probably also racist enough to dislike Obama even more.

Now, some racists might accuse McCain of taking the bigot vote for granted, but I don't see that movement as gaining a whole lot of traction.

The only downside, and the one I desperately hope comes to pass, is that people *do not* act like passive pawns and look beyond reproductive organs and skin color when selecting a candidate.

Call me a dreamer.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

With sincere apologies for going not only off topic, but even off Big News, in the interest in Everyone Needs to Know, I feel I must publish the following Public Service Announcement...

From previous Boodling (and another Boodler):



The International Mega Boodle Porching Hour (IMBPH) will be held on Saturday, October 4, 2008, at Buffalo Billiards at 1330 19th Street in NW Washington, DC.

We'll be in the Victorian Room from 5-8 p.m. (at least that's the formal part of the event), with food and drink service available.

More news to follow, including a regular BPH on Friday evening at the normal BPH location (McCormack & Schmicks, 1652 K Street downtown, a few blocks from the Mega BPH location, and the Washington Post's main offices), guests (if any actually accept our invitations), other activities (if anyone isn't too full of food and drink), and clothing options (bc is considering the 'all leather, but as little as possible' option).

Lurkers are welcome.

We look forward to seeing you there.


Yr Hmbl Int’l Mega BPH Planning Committee

We now return you to your Regularly Scheduled Boodling."

Posted by: TBG | August 29, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Heck of a morning here...Yes, I agree that Palin is a brilliant choice. But still, what does the duo have to offer?

It's gonna be a wild ride till November 5. I'll be glad when it's over and Obama is president-elect.

Made it up the mountain to the sounds of the Hebrides Overture and Beethoven's Eighth Symphony. The rain gauge here was full. Yay!

Posted by: slyness | August 29, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Sunday AM MegaBPH addendum: Bike meet-up downtown near the Mall to cheer on a certain Northern boodler who will run in the Army Ten-Miler that morning.

More details and a map later.

Walkers may also show up to the AM Bike meet-up. Frosti will appreciate all stripes of shout-outs as she strikes.

Posted by: College Bikian | August 29, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Frosti will be striking a blow for we women nearing certain ages but will do so by her mighty and nearly-Canadian STRIDES.

Posted by: College Parkian | August 29, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

First impressions after watching the video on MSNBC: Palin is articulate, intelligent, photogenic and has a back country, down home, family-centered appeal. I think she will do well in the campaign.

It will be interesting to see if the American public prefers shattering the glass ceiling to tearing down the black wall.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

About last Palin baby's name, Trig is Nordic. I met a Trig in Minnesota years ago. He was from Norway, born in about 1892. Very good telemark skier.

Posted by: College Parkian | August 29, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I killed my lunch hour by putting together a side by side of two rather sexy governors.

Sarah's not the only game in town.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse


With telemark skiers yer either "very good" or "flat on yer face."


Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I thought she did well, Ms. Palin. I added a little sumpin on the Veep pick at the top of this kit, fyi.

Posted by: Achenbach | August 29, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Reading the kit update, I also used a Quayle comparison. Great minds and all...

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

it's sure not going to be a boring general election season, as others have said. palin's going to reinforce mccain's pro-energy and pro-reform message as well as his appeal to the pro-life base. who knows how the experience issue will now play out.

ya know, whatever the pros and cons of picking palin, mccain has pulled a major media coup by stealing a lot of the limelight a day after obama's acceptance speech.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | August 29, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Heath Palin earned the name "Sarah Barracuda" during her HS b-ball days for her aggressive ferocity. Joe Biden may have more on his hands than he imagines.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Of course, there *are* other things, outside of her gender, that makes Palin a smart choice. She doesn't seem to be one of those far-right extremists. She's not Huckabee. Nor is she Harriet Myers. Further, she seems to take fiscal responsibility seriously. This is going to help with moderates.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

p.s. concerning the experience issues, i predict a gop talking point will be that palin has more reform accomplishments as a governor than obama has had as a legislator. mccain feels the need to answer the change message, and it might be effective.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | August 29, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Palin's Wiki page and lots of other sites say she favored teaching creationism alongside evolution in the Alaska public schools. Does anyone know her religion?

Posted by: Wheezy | August 29, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Dmon--Many thanks for your suggestion yesterday. It didn't work as I later found out I had a bunch of them viruses.

I went the same way Mudge did, it fished out 690 bad guys. Second scan got 30 more viruses. I still get the odd Antivirus 2009 pop-up. But it's more bearable. Waiting Spy Hunter tech's answer. GRRRR.

Posted by: Brag | August 29, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Gun rights - check
Pro-life - check
Teach creationism - check

What aspect of far right extremists does she not resemble?

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

She's younger than two of McCain's children.
(Not that there is anything wrong with that.)

But Joel is right that it is certainly going to throw the experience bit out the window. I mean, has this woman even left North America?

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain says of Palin, "Her experience in shaking up the status quo is exactly what is needed in Washington today."

Where does that leave him?

Posted by: TBG | August 29, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I also used the Hail Mary pass metaphor. I swear I wasn't peeking, Joel.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the copy and paste, but The Borowitz Report is just too good...

McCain: Obama Lacks Experience Running 5,000-Person Town in Alaska
Extolls Veep Pick’s Qualifications

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz) used the announcement of his vice-presidential pick, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, to blast the experience of his Democratic rival, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill), arguing that Sen. Obama has never been the mayor of a 5,000-person town.

"The Presidency of the United States of America is the toughest job on the planet," Sen. McCain said. "And my friends, the best testing ground for that job is being the mayor of a 5,000-person town in Alaska."

Sen. McCain unleashed a savage attack on Sen. Obama, claiming that his Democratic opponent would be "at a loss" when faced with the challenges of running a 5000-person municipality in Alaska.

"Let's say a constituent calls you and says that a caribou has wandered onto his front lawn," he said. "My friends, Barack Obama wouldn't know what to do."

Read the rest here...

Posted by: TBG | August 29, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Todd Palin, native of Alaska (his mother is one-quarter Yu'pik Eskimo)has won the Iron Dog snowmobile race 4 times and is a "devoted househusband" and former blue collar oil field worker for BP according to news reports.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Republicans sure get grumpy when they know they've backed a loser.

Posted by: Yoki | August 29, 2008 9:20 AM
Mr. Babbington, bite me.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 29, 2008 9:20 AM

Nothing to add.


Posted by: DLD | August 29, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain has also probably cornered the 4 Idaho electoral votes.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Yello - you may be right. She might be more far-right than I realize. I really haven't read that much about her. My point, poorly made, is that she isn't one of the well-established national far right folks that pundits have been tossing about.

Maybe she is more of a Harriet Myers than I realize. I dunno yet. But Joel is right. Things just got a whole lot more interesting.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

No matter what you say about McCain's strategy, his tactics are brilliant. He stole the newscycle and set the agenda for all the weekend screamer shows already.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse


In your defense, she did try pot, but like Bill Clinton, just didn't enjoy it. You're not going to hear that kind of revelation from most GOPers.

And I bogarted your 1:35 PM back at 11:16 AM. Maybe Meghan can babysit little Trig.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Good tactics, yes. "Brilliant"? I think that's a bit over the top. His announcement today of his veep was going to accomplish 90 percent of all those goals anyway. If it had been Romney, there still would have been all the weekend screamer show topics anyhow; the content would just have been different.

I'm no way prepared to award him "brilliant" status. I agree she was a smart pick-- but she also brings as many problems and questions to the ticket as she answers. (She's gonna have to carry all the water for 8 years of Bush failures-- or else admit the GOP has performed abyssmally. She's pro-life -- while 65% of the country is pro-choice. She knows even less -- if such a thing is possible -- about foreign policy, the military, foreign affairs, etc., than your idol Dan Quayle. (Now instead of one GOP candidate who can't remember the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite, we now have two.)

Padouk is dead right about this being a "politics of identity" pick. More hypocrisy, which they will have to answer for.

If she comes out for creationism, the evangelicals will have org@sms-- and the rest of the country will eat her for lunch (perhaps unfairly) as a backwoods know-nothing.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 29, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

So you did yellojkt.

My wife, who is uncommonly wise, says that the lack of experience thing is probably going to swamp everything else. Especially if, as suggested, she is revealed to be more socially conservative than most swing voters are comfortable with.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

We're off to Richmond for the weekend to attend the Havanese National Speciality. If you have a notino to stop by and check it out, stop by the hospitality room at the Sheraton Richmond West. Our organization is providing refreshments.

Posted by: jack | August 29, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse


You know I'm crazy about you, and those two comments are right on. You do have a flair with words. I've always loved reading your comments since I started here. You, too, JA, but you know that, right?

Happy Birthday, Ivansmom. I need to say it today because tomorrow it will be lost. I won't remember. Happy Birthday, firsttimeblogger. I hope the day is good for both of you, with lots of laughter and plenty of love.


"shattering the glass ceiling to tearing down the black wall". I think I understand that sentence, but not sure?

McCain's choice doesn't make me think better of him for President. Seems more like, as Ivansmom said, arm candy. You know to off set his age. Also seems like an appeal to the Hillary voters. I sure hope they don't fall for that line.

Posted by: cassandra s | August 29, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I said "brilliant tactics" The problems are all long-term strategy issues. It's either genius or desperate or both, long term. That all depends on the outcome. The winners get to write the history books.

If the goal was to take attention away from Barry's speech, the only way they could have done it better is if they had picked Hillary Clinton for Veep.

Joel is right, since he agrees with me, in saying that it is a potential game-changing play with a lot of risk.

Our Ms. Palin is going to get a long honeymoon, but I think she is going to take a lot of hits and force a lot of gaffes along the way.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I've been going over this in my mind since the announce: GILF

Governor I'd Like to Fool was my first thought

Then a bunch of nonsense

Then: Governor I'd Like to Fenestrate

Oh, nevemind, maybe yoall can do better and stop my mind from wandering. The rain certainly hasn't

I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in
And stops my mind from wandering
Where it will go
I'm filling the cracks that ran through the door
And kept my mind from wandering
Where it will go
And it really doesn't matter if I'm wrong
I'm right
Where I belong I'm right
Where I belong.
See the people standing there who disagree and never win
And wonder why they don't get in my door.
I'm painting the room in a colourful way
And when my mind is wandering
There I will go.
And it really doesn't matter if
I'm wrong I'm right
Where I belong I'm right
Where I belong.
Silly people run around they worry me
And never ask me why they don't get past my door.
I'm taking the time for a number of things
That weren't important yesterday
And I still go.
I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in
And stops my mind from wandering
Where it will go.

I nominate the above for the GOP campaign theme song

Posted by: omni | August 29, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

GILF: Grandmother I'd Like to Find (polite form)

Posted by: L.A. lurker | August 29, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Gov. Palin and I (as well as a few others around here) share an academic degree category -- Journalism.

But someone should tell MSNBC that one gets a Bachelor of ARTS in Journalism, not a Bachelor of SCIENCE...

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Glasses Identically Like Fey's

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

oh,And somehappy birthday wishes from me as well. Seems half the boodle is celebrating...

And someting else, but like I said: My mind is wandering...

Posted by: omni | August 29, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Has she ever been outside Alaska? Washington, DC isn't Florida, but it might as well be for an Alaska native.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

She was born in Idaho but her family moved to Alaska almost immediately thereafter, it seems...

So sayeth Wiki.

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra: As a black woman I think you can understand it as the two-sided wall that some people cannot overcome in their hearts and minds. I personally think most Americans have come a long way in the past 45 year, but a wall of prejudice remains, however weakened by the passage of time. I think Obama has and can continue to tear down that racist wall.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

It's a good day to dream RD.


Posted by: DLD | August 29, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, I'm told that Palin's Wiki page had her as the 08 GOP VP nominee last night, but was removed (clearly, one of those edits).

Is it just my cynicism, or has the McCain campaign openly launched a "divide and conquer" campign, one intended to undermine the newly Grand Unified Democrats by driving wedges along the fault lines of several cultural issues facing this country - gender, ethnicity, financial status, age, religion and values?

Divide and conquer does work, even if in this case I prefer the phrase "Divide and canker."


Posted by: bc | August 29, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Here we go.

Yes, the mark of maturity is the willingness to call a foul even when it's done by ones own team.

An odd choice by McCain. I assumed everyone knows he won't make it much longer, what with the confusion and the head injuries catching up with him and all. That veep would be pres for sure.

Posted by: Jumper | August 29, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

A vindictive side of Sarah Barracuda is emerging in stories about how she tried to use her position as Governor to have her ex-brother-in-law fired as a state trooper.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps it is a Divide and Cranky strategy. Did you hear McCain yelling at his supporters for wishing him Happy Birthday? You'd think with sventy-two under his belt, he'd be used to it. My condolences to boodlers that share it with him.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I was quietly eating a corned beef on rye for lunch when the restaurant's TV, tuned to CNN, was interviewing Ms. Palin about a number of things, including the Exxon Valdez incident. What she said made me choke. Before I run my mouth off about her NOT checking her facts, I have to go check mine.

My question is: if I am indeed right, and she has made a serious gaff, how do I politely inform her thereof?

Posted by: Don from I-270 | August 29, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, that thought scares the living daylights out of me. More reason to vote Democratic!

Posted by: slyness | August 29, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Wonder what her educational background will tell us? B.S in Journalism, no gpa known at this time. I suspect between Obama and Biden they have 100 IQ points advantage, and comparable knowledge levels, compared to the McCain ticket.

Posted by: Jumper | August 29, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Wow, guess they didn't vet too thoroughly, did they?

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 29, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

SCC: the restaurant's TV, tuned to CNN, was showing Ms. Palin being interviewed ...

Obviously, the TV was not doing the interview. But you all knew that.

Nonetheless, my umbrage at her appearant gaff is quite high.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | August 29, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

According to the Anchorage Daily News when it covered the Alaska gubenatorial election, Gov. Palin was asked about creationism being taught next to evolution in schools:

Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

Pardon me for betraying my bias, but "information" and "creationism" would seem to be polar opposites in this case.


Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Don, I believe the Obama/Biden campaign will be more than happy to acquaint her with the facts regarding the Exxon Valdez...


Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I will be writing in Ralph Nader this time.

Posted by: Jumper | August 29, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Golly I Like Fundamentalism

Posted by: SonofCarl | August 29, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"I suspect between Obama and Biden they have 100 IQ points advantage, and comparable knowledge levels, compared to the McCain ticket."

Jumper, I would direct you to the 2000 and 2004 General Election results and suggest that even if you're right, I don't think it matters. (Ask Adali Stevenson, too...)

Having smart, effective people on the campaign team - *that's* what I think matters.

Sorry, but it's an election, not "Jeopardy" or "It's Acedemic." Or "Trivial Pursuit," for that matter.


Posted by: bc | August 29, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Just kidding.

Posted by: Jumper | August 29, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that, SoC...


Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Capehart also uses the Hail Mary pass metaphor. Consensus is building on this. Hail Mary might as well be her nickname. But I like Liz Lemon a lot too.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Got you, Shiloh. We're not there yet, but, hopefully, moving forward. A lot of times, folks want to go backwards, and I think fear drives that movement. And it's not a one-sided issue, although I doubt either side would agree to that. Thank you for explaining.

Years ago I came to the conclusion there wasn't anything that race didn't touch in this country, and I used the fact that we bury each other in separate cemetaries. It takes time, yet last night gave me hope. It was a history making occasion. I was born before the Civil Rights Movement came about, so this is awesome for me. Yes, I'm a relic, but you knew that, right?

Posted by: cassandra s | August 29, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'm slow. *What* did she "apparently" say about the Exxon-Valdez incident? I'm begging you here.

Posted by: Wheezy | August 29, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

jack at 2:15 PM said (among other things): "If you have a notino to stop by..."

I like the idea of a notino. Not quite a note, less than that, but definitely not nothing. A notino. Certainly better than Rumsfeld's "snowflakes."

Posted by: ScienceTim | August 29, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

More on Sarah Barracuda and "troopergate" in Alaska.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I like notino too. The shortest possible note. What key?

Posted by: Jumper | August 29, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I sure can't wait for Frosti to check in here with her thoughts on Liz Lemon. I guess she's still busy getting her hip urban loft ready for the Republican onslaught.

I'm hoping there's some sort of secret society of northern small town mayors that Frosti and Palin have met through.

Posted by: TBG | August 29, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

If elected Palin will have to transform the Naval Observatory's enhanced interrogation dungeon into a nursery. Or let the kids play "rack and thumbscrews".

Posted by: shrieking denizen | August 29, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

In the wake of Obama's speech, remembering a complex American, Lyndon Baines Johnson, and "the speech that made Martin Luther King cry":

As the essay points out, LBJ was born 100 years ago yesterday.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 29, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

From Daily Kos
"On 2-24-2008 Palin was on Washington Journal on C-Span and stated that the Exxon Valdez spilled 11,000 (eleven-thousand) gallons of oil.This is false.
The correct amount is: 10.8 million gallons."

This sort of slip of the tongue sometimes does not matter too much to me, except if it demonstrates the sort of innumeracy that frightens me. Which occurs on a regular basis among both politicians and news media reporters. This is one of the reasons I like Achenbach. I know he knows the difference between a million and a billion, and even the difference between a watt and a watt hour.

Posted by: Jumper | August 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Wheezy, you are not slow. I did not repeat what I saw on CNN. I was reading the crawl, and it went by quickly, so I want to find it, and look at it again.

What bugs me is that she painted a highly emontionaly charged word picture that is not supported by the facts. Doing so is called rhetoric, or politics, or plain old campaign speechmaking. Normally, I'd just ignore it, but this time it got under my skin.

Posted by: Don from I-270 | August 29, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Jumper | August 29, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Meh. What's a factor of a thousand? It's about how far off we were in predicting the costs of the Iraq War. Big deal.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Are we being jammed by IFM (Internet Free McCain)?

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The FF site kept giving me a "Read" link.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I was about to say the posting frequency had dropped by about a factor of a thousand... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Tried FF again, got the same bad link.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Boodlers in FF are apparently caught in a vortex.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Or a vortext, considering the medium.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

A 4:21 post in FF is still spinning.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I didn't hear a warning siren. Did somebody yell "incoming" and head for the bunker?

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The connection was reset

FF message:

The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.

Friends of Sarah Barracuda?

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone has just kinda run out of things to say. Before we can discuss Ms. Palin intelligently we need to learn more about her. Or at least let the journalistic experts learn more about her so that we can quote them. Or simply paraphrase them and pretend we are being insightful. That works too.

And we haven't had any ridiculously indignant posts to get annoyed by.

Meanwhile, it is a rainy start to a three day weekend. So many of us are going to do exciting things.

For example, I am going grocery shopping with my wife. But we will stop at the Redbox afterwards and get a flick.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

315 PM EDT FRI AUG 29 2008

MPH...120 KM/HR.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

One hour of dead time and no response on FF indicates more than just a group nap.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

The adservers that WaPo is in bed with are absolute bandwidth pigs. Always the slowest loading parts of the page. It's the price we pay for all this great free content.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Trying firefox again.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Ah, the househusband explains why she returned to work 3 days after the birth of Trig. What family-values Repub would think of hiring nannies?

The fact that Palin is female, meh. Right wing reactionary is right wing reactionary.

Brag, I'd suggest picking up some more spy/virus software (freeware). Viruses have been writing themselves into startup routines, changing registries, placing themselves in prefetch directories and they just keep popping up until they're totally deleted. You may have to download fixes and run them when not connected to the Internet, you may have to restart in safe mode to delete them. E-mail me at trisha2154 insert that sign here the y place if you need to.

Posted by: dbG | August 29, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy to supply a ridiculously indignant post, RD.

The comments above about McCain "squiring a much younger colleague" and whether a first lady has ever been jealous of a VEEP are deeply sexist and make me uncomfortable. The idea that she would be named because some man wants to have sex with her are outrageous. It was a deeply cynical ploy that I hope backfires badly for the GOP, but to imply... *sputters and splutters in indignation*

Posted by: Yoki | August 29, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

SCC: trishaunderscore2154

Posted by: dbG | August 29, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

My gut reaction upon hearing the nomination of Gov. Palin was, oh wow, McCain is gonna lose for sure now. Not because of any solid facts about who Palin is or what her background is, but purely because she's someone no one knows nationally and because she's pretty. C'mon, beautiful women are not taken seriously in this country. Not by the populous at large. Really. If she had the opportunity to prove herself then maybe she'd have a small shot at a GOP win but, honestly, I don't think mainstream America is gonna go for this ticket. Just what my gut's sayin'...

Posted by: Aloha | August 29, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Well, McCain definitely surprised everyone. My first reaction was that it probably dooms his chances (yay), but that it's kind of cool because the more women that get nominated/appointed/elected to high office, the better, so everyone gets over the shock. Interesting to see the right wing reaction - so far, on the groups I lurk on, they're lapping it up as a brilliant choice. We'll see. I do think it could be tricky for Obama and Biden especially, not to be too condescending and dismissive of her - but I think they can manage that. Interesting times, yes? Mr Ml still thinks Bush/Cheney will seize power somehow if Obama wins (or before we vote). I refuse to consider that as a realistic possibility, but who knows?

Could not get into the previous Boodle, many tries before successful here. Seem to be going to "voices.washingtonpost" or something like that. I predict trouble, with a capital T...

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 29, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, if the power dynamics I hear about are correct, there was tension between Hillary and Al Gore because Al was promised to be given a lot of say (as a vice-president), and Hillary didn't like Bill listening more to Al than to her.

And when you consider Edith Wilson practically ran the country after Wilson's stroke, and that FDR's wife Eleanor was very strong in her own right...

So the answer to RD's question is very probably YES, if we're talking jealousy for any reason. I'd imagine first ladies often get jealous of always coming second to the job, of making all these sacrifices for very few of the perks.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 29, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

For once I am not the subject of Yoki's indignation. It's an anona-troll and Ivansmom of all people. I've saved any remarks of mine that could be interpreted as sexist or insensitive for other forums.

I think you could easily make the case that Palin is one of the LEAST qualified of the 21 current Republic governors (not counting AH-nold, who is constitutionally ineligible). Names that have been tossed around that have more experience leading bigger states include Crist, Pawlenty, and Jindal. Clearly experience was not the determining criteria involved in the selection. What else could it have been? Hmmm...

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Yello, loved the comparison on your blog. Thanks!

Been backboodling, sorry I missed the lunch(es). I'm sure Yoki found another assistant to help TBG, I am desolate that I missed it. The plumber was here, I was running errands, you know, life is so daily.

Anybody want some tomatoes? Even the plumber wouldn't take any outright, although he was willing to swap some from his garden.

With Palin, I think McCain's demonstrating he thinks the evangelical/right-to-life people are more important than moderates or PUMAs on the edge. It'll be interesting.

Posted by: dbG | August 29, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Linda Lingle (Hawaii) and M. Jodi Rell (Connecticut) are also both Republican governors that have held office longer than Palin.

Jindal has been a governor for a shorter time than Palin, but has also served two terms in the House of Representatives.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Thanks dbG.

I was trying to be as unsexist as possible with that post. Note the complete lack of the phrase GILF (mostly because O'Malley isn't).

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

How sad must a person's life be to post 30 comments in the same thread?

You repeat offenders are the cancer that's killing the Achenblog.

Posted by: Still Disgusted | August 29, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Aloha said: "C'mon, beautiful women are not taken seriously in this country."

So that was Hillary's Achilles heel?

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Heard the Palin news on my way back up north this morning (forgive me my enormous carbon footprint this holiday weekend, I have another round trip to go before Tuesday). Loathe the gov's ideology but am overjoyed that either way this goes we'll have a first (and it doesn't hurt that Pa Frostbitten will find himself between a rock and a hard place-vote for McCain/Palin or stay home). As TBG so kindly remembered, I do believe being a small-town mayor is excellent preparation for the highest office in the land. Not sufficient, but a good start. Haven't had the pleasure of meeting Palin, however, I am a fan of her corruption busting ways. She came across as very bright and well spoken in a Frontline special I saw recently about the Alaska Republicans and their bribery scandals.

On top of the "firsts" this election brings, let's not discount the newfound prominence of the the west. Sure, Biden's old school east coast, and McCain's just old, but Hawaii and Alaska? The Udall cousins? And how has Montana hidden the Brian Schweitzer light under a bushel for so long? 'twill be interesting what the RNC serves up.

Posted by: frostbitten | August 29, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Okay, that's it for me...
I was firmly in Obama's camp despite his selection of plastic-grin, white-haired, older GUY, Biden (tiny, little, did I mention tiny? state) until McCain's masterful stroke of picking Palin (HOTTIE GOVERNOR of the year, etc, etc, /./..) BIG state, hottie chick: I'm done! Gotta go for the McCain/trophy ticket!
Errrrrr.... wait!
Wife says no!

Posted by: Dmon | August 29, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Cheap shot well hit yello. BTW, Cory Booker is our sexiest politician.

Posted by: frostbitten | August 29, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I had heard Palin was being considered, but thought the experience factor and the investigation would eliminate her. I must say I agree with Yoki's indignation a bit (and I don't think she's that good-looking, not like Mrs Kucinich, for instance). Here's a very funny (to me) blog item - and look at the date -

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 29, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

33. Still Disgusted is well named.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Just caught a bit of Palin's self deprecating remarks on BBC news, "just a hockey mom" teamed up with a guy near the bottom in his USNA class. I think it's safe to say they'll tap into the previously overlooked underachiever vote.

Posted by: frostbitten | August 29, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

It's all making sense now, both VP candidates have sons getting ready to deploy to Iraq.

Posted by: frostbitten | August 29, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I have learned an important lesson today, I too am a Hockey Mom, apparently that hold a great deal more credibility than I had previously thought. Take that Soccer Moms!

Posted by: dmd | August 29, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how long this Google gadget has been around, but I like it. Here is a collection of quotes from Sarah Palin:

Posted by: Jumper | August 29, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Mostly, I'm hurt. I am too good looking!

Posted by: Yoki | August 29, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Remember the Mommy blog? Women daring to leave their young kids to go to work were regularly excoriated by many of the most militant moms. What are they going to think of Sarah P. leaving her 4 months old trisomic baby behind to campaign for McCain?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | August 29, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod - the "jealous of the VP" bit was *not* my comment. Whatta trying to do get me whacked or sumthing?

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Ah Yoki! When I saw that sentence's construction I knew ml was in trouble.

Sarah has impeccable NRA credentials, like pretty much all Alaskan politicos mind you, so the gun nuts are delirious about McCain's choice.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | August 29, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

How sad must a person's life be to count someone else's comments?

Posted by: Jumper | August 29, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Out of the mouths of babes :-)
An audio report from youth radio on campaigns for a book election at Ebert Elementary School, Colorado (4 mins):

A couple of classics:
"I haven't read the book yet, any of the books, so um....I mean I have sort of an idea...from Anna...about what the book is about...uh.."

"I dunno...there's lot of different reasons I think I joined [the group], and I just can't explain them"

Posted by: DNA Girl | August 29, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I say "well played Mr. McCain". Palin maybe a relative unknown but if you look at her executive experience or committment to community, family, etc., she trumps the Democrats presidential nominee....Barry O knows it. He gives a great speach and all, but in the end, empty suit. Should be interesting at least....the woman hunts and eats Moose. Barry worries about the price of Arugula.

Posted by: Comrade E | August 29, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and that she has a husband who can pound you into the dirt like a tentpeg. That can't hurt.

Posted by: Comrade E | August 29, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

A good question for the Palin's: Have they ever hunted polar bears?

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama, community organizer: 1985, right out of college with a degree in INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, you know, that kind of high-level politics between America and other countries?

1987: McCain was one of the Keating Five. 1987: Sarah Palin was still studying journalism at the University of Idaho.

Obama has raised over 1/2 billion in fundraising, with over 2 million individual contributions; he's taken political grassroot organization to a new level.

The talent and potential is most emphatically there. He's done good work, run a smart, organized campaign to pull off the impossible.

Bush had more "executive experience" than all 4 candidates (prez, veep) combined, plus he was like, totally related to an ACTUAL President when he ran for office the first time. Look how THAT turned out.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 29, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh, I read somewhere that it has been illegal hunt polar bears for 40 years. Given their ages, that would be a no, then.

Posted by: Wheezy | August 29, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

SCC: illegal *to* hunt

Posted by: Wheezy | August 29, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I just heard her speak and....aaahhh! I can't take another white house denizen who says "nucular", not to mention the whole teaching creationism thing.
Just shoot me now.

Posted by: DNA Girl | August 29, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Here's a very insightful concise summary:

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 29, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Wheezy: Read the link. Mr. Palin is an "Alaskan Native," whether or not to the degree necessary to hunt , natives may hunt polar bears. And drive tentpegs.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

And, Wheezy, hunting polar bears by permit is also allowed in Nunuvat and the NW Territory of Canada, and if legally taken in Canada, may be imported into the US.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about US practice Shiloh, but Canadian natives usually sell the polar bear tags to non-native nimrods, mostly Americans, for indecent amounts of money. Good for them I say, but at the end of the day natives kill very, very, few bears and it is usually in self defense.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | August 29, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

//Oh, and that she has a husband who can pound you into the dirt like a tentpeg. That can't hurt.//

I bet it would hurt. A lot!

Posted by: nellie | August 29, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

According to the ANSCA Palin's spouse would not have enough blood quantum to qualify for subsistence hunting rights, but he may be enrolled as a native because he is officially recognized as one by a native community. In which case the Palins could have polar bear steaks in the freezer. (Hope it's better than black bear if they do.)

It will be interesting to see if Alaska's native community stands behind the VP candidate. I personally have no direct knowledge, but my second hand sense of the state of the corporations set up as a result of the ANCSA (Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act) and a current rumble against the blood quantum issue in Indian Country generally, could bite. But, as my neighbors often point out-American Indians are an invisible minority so even if there is a big honking issue there, it won't be an issue.

Posted by: frostbitten | August 29, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I am not surprised, shriek, that mostly Americans hunt polar bears in Canada, and that leads back to my suggestion that a good question for the Palin's is: Have they ever hunted polar bears?

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I personally find the idea of shooting polar bears repugnant, but what if the Palin's have shot a pb? Is hunting allowed only if they don't shoot anything cute?

Is it just me, or did McCain look painfully unsure of how/where to stand after he introduced Palin and she was making her remarks? He better get a handle on that pronto.

Posted by: frostbitten | August 29, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh, the News Hour has some woman from Tampa saying "there are a lot of Democratic women in Tampa who still aren't ready to vote for Obama." Ok, let's get real here. There aren't "a lot of Democratic women in Tampa." The other one moved to Colorado Springs about 6 months before I left town for good.

Posted by: frostbitten | August 29, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, a thousand apologies for my badly constructed, ill-defined pronounial, dangling adjectival clause or whatever the heck it was. I was referring to the Gov of Alaska, of course, as not being so appealing to me. No girl crush at all. Her hubby, now, he's pretty cute - also tied to Big Oil.

I wouldn't want to get in a fight with Michelle Obama either - she looks pretty buff to me and she's from Chicago. (What have I come to, talking like this?)

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 29, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, frosti, I suspect if there was a polar bear rug on the floor or wall of the Palin residence, it has disappeared. But a CITES certificate or Canadian tag record could be indicative of Sarah Barracuda's opposition to the threatened specie listing.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Palin and Cheney can go hunting together and "Take Care" of all of their friends.

I have been seeing a lot of Wild Turkeys lately,not that it has anything to do with what is written above, well maybe just a little.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | August 29, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

In fairness to Gov. Palin her opposition to listing the pb as an endangered species is not so they can be hunted. She just doesn't want to have to protect them from habitat loss caused by global warming. I suppose once they are all drowning she'd want to shoot them as the humane thing to do, but we're getting ahead of ourselves.

Posted by: frostbitten | August 29, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Frosti, shooting an iconic poster child of the environmental movement is not politically savvy, regardless of legality.

The other Democratic woman in Tampa never made it to Colorado. She was nabbed by the neocons at the Florida/Alabama line just north of Eglin AFB.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Reasonably reliable-looking info on polar bear meat.

Posted by: Jumper | August 29, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

oh nellie - Ouch

you made with laugh with that one thank you

Posted by: omni | August 29, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh-spew warning please.

Posted by: frostbitten | August 29, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Many posts on NR's The Corner are concise, but few are insightful, but I clicked the link anyways and was proven wrong.

Am I the only one getting a sexist cringe when people say that Biden doesn't have a chance in the debates because he would seem mean? Is that just a little patronizing, or is it just me?

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

yello-you have it right, it is patronizing.

Posted by: frostbitten | August 29, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

sounds like a fugue

Posted by: omniBach | August 29, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Oops BOoO: I meant the Boodle, not the two posts before me (well, at least not just those two), Also it's not a complaint, just that we do

Posted by: omni | August 29, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I think the greater debate danger for Biden lies in coming across as a condescending, East Coast know-it-all. If he can stick to showing his knowledge and expertise, and not say anything that appears to denigrate the intellectual capacities of residents of small towns who did not attend big name colleges, he'll be ok.

Posted by: frostbitten | August 29, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I recall north Florida black bear as quite edible. Polar bears being carnivores, there could be problems with mercury accumulation (I'm too tired to look that up).

I suspect prospective McCain voters consider Alaska a Big State, something to be compared to Texas or California. Nothing like the Three Lower Counties on the Delaware River. It would be a place that eschews experts, where the women are handy with baling wire, the kids carry big rifles to school in case of bears, and the petroleum will last forever. A place where Ayn Rand and Christian values meld!

Meanwhile, Peter Goldblatt of the Missouri Botanical Garden and a half-dozen co-authors have proposed that the iris family originated in the vicinity of Australia and Antarctica and spread throughout the world, starting during the Cretaceous when dinosaurs were still around. The most spectacular modern-day iris flora is in southern Africa. Crocus and Gladiolus are from both Africa and Eurasia, Iris from Eurasia and North America.

Right now must be peak season for Michigan cut-flower Gladiolus.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | August 29, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

DotC-cut a big bouquet of glads this afternoon. They are precisely at their peak here.

Picked, and picked, cherry tomatoes at our youth garden this afternoon. They've ripened since we closed our program for the last two weeks of summer and many were in danger of splitting before the kids get back on Tuesday. What to do? Gorge of course. Tomatoes at Chez Frostbitten will be ready to pick tomorrow. Some gardeners have stripped their vines of all but a few leaves to keep them from setting new fruit and force ripening. I don't do this myself, I like a good leaf cover to get through the first frost because I always forget to cover the plants and then we get 2-3 more weeks of warm weather.

Posted by: frostbitten | August 29, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Biden go to the University of Delaware (where I should probably have gone rather than Penn State) and law school at Syracuse? I think of Syracuse as having good football teams but can't recall it being part of the collegiate snobocracy.

Palin might get the job of knocking Obama as a Helpless Urban Elitist. Obama in turn might invite her to bodysurfing lessons at Sandy Beach, which is reputedly not a beach for the faint of spirit.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | August 29, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

If Florida tomatoes don't suffer sudden-freeze death, they suffer heat exhaustion. I'll try growing the things once I've retired.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | August 29, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Hi all.. Dr G and I had fun tonight checking out Buffalo Billiards with bc, Scottynuke and Nukespouse. What a great place!

The Victorian Room will be perfect for our Boodling bunch... a mingler's paradise.

Hint: Don't bet the ranch when playing pool with Scottynuke. They don't call him New Hampshire Skinny for nothin'.

Posted by: TBG | August 29, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

DotC-good points about Biden not going to the snootiest of schools. But when you put his working class background up against her very recent rise from small town mayor with a blue collar spouse, he can still be painted with the condescending brush if he's not careful.

Posted by: frostbitten | August 29, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Boodle. We gummint workers got an "early out" this afternoon, which may account for why a few of us suddenly seemed to drop off the net.

Just as a matter of general nit-picky copy editor FYI, the proper phrase is "Alaska Native" without an "n" at the end of Alaska. Why this rule should be I have no idea. All I know is that's how it's s'pposta be. There are no Alaskan Natives, only Alaska Natives. (Perhaps the rule derives from the irritating Canada Goose rule, wherein they are NOT called Canadian Geese.)

Which perhaps explains why we copy editors really need to get a life.

In other matters: Shriek, loved your 3:33.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 29, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Some Repub house of rep guy being interviewed by David Gregory said when McCain picked Palin it "struck fear into the hearts of Democrats".

Um,no. The feeling was more like...let me IMHO, it was a purely political move designed to get the Hillary vote which is a major insult to Hillary's supporters. She's the anti-Hillary. And despite the suggestion that we democratic women will vote with our...well...our nether-parts, it's not happenin'. Cuz most of us just ain't that stupid.

In the personal glee department, Mr. F, who has never voted any way but Republican but was waiting for McCain to pick his VP before actually deciding whether to vote for him, thinks McCain has lost his mind - as well as Mr. F's vote. Kinda irritates me that McCain managed to do in one minute what I've been trying to convince him of for months.

Posted by: TLF | August 29, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Biden has a bit of a reputation as being a little more taken with his academic achievements than they merit even to the point of embellishing them a little. He has been accused of suffering from Smartest Guy In The Room Syndrome, a particularly Democratic affliction. Republicans don't seem to have that same drive to show off how smart they are. I wonder why that is?

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure you had convinced him. He was just waiting for an excuse to come along.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Keep up the good fight, TLF.

In other matters, a friend just e-mailed me this. I'm posting it in its entirety, without comment (it speaks for itself). (I don't know who the original author is or the source of it. Chime in if you have knowledge.)

"Did you know that Health and Human Services has issued a rule to cut support to hospice nationally?

"As an example, the cuts will cost Denver Hospice $1 million annually by 2010. These cuts will have profound and harmful impacts on end-of-life care, including palliative care. The good news is that Congress can intervene to stop the cuts before the rule goes into effect on Oct. 1.

"The cuts will occur thanks to a rule change being imposed by GOPer Mike Leavitt, head of Health & Human Services, former head of EPA and former Utah governor. It appears to be in the callous, uncompassionate conservative nature to do something like cut Medicare reimbursement rates for hospice -- to shut out the dying from receiving the special care that hospice provides. (It's okay to build hospitals in Iraq, though.)

"Here is one area where we can, as a society, take some action to help our fellow citizens who are dying. Please contact your congressional representatives & senators and ask them to intervene to stop the cuts before the HHS rule goes into effect Oct. 1."

Why does this rule change have the smell of Dick Cheney about it?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 29, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

This Charlie Rose interview with Palin (and Napolitano) is informative.

She's got the tough yet warm and feminine thing down, at least in TV appearances (which is the only medium that matters w.r.t. the job the VP picks have to do in the coming months)

Biden's handlers better not tie him up in knots on how to "handle" her. Any off-the-cuff gender-related adjustments in behavior, in either direction, could backfire really badly. He should practice debating with his sister or sister-in-law or maybe Nancy Pelosi, and get comfortable doing it, and then just go out there and be his regular likable but hard-hitting self.

Posted by: DNA Girl | August 29, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

You're setting us up there, right, Yello? :)

Posted by: dbG | August 29, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

The wage index adjustment to hospice care will put hospice on the same footing as other home health agencies.

Hospice programs may argue that end of life care is more intensive, requiring more frequent home visits, but the proposed adjustment was envisioned ten years ago when a transitional index was adopted.

The final version of the rule change was published August 8th.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I went to college with Jan Napolitano, current Gov,. of Arizona. I wondered where she was on the list for DEM VP.

Posted by: College Parkian | August 29, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Here is a WaPo blog where some comments need to be deliberately deleted. I will never allow anything I say here to be called offensive again. These set the standard:

Posted by: yellojkt | August 29, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, guys, I'll keep working on him. I keep telling him he's more democrat than republican anyway (lordy, thought I might have to revive him when I said that)- he's pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-getoutofIraq, thinks this country's gone straight down the tubes under Bush/Cheney, etc., etc. But...but...some yellow-bellied Democrat will try to take away his guns! He just knows it! I do try to reassure him since last time I looked we have no AK-47s or other assault-type weapons in the arsenal.

'Mudge, prolly they'll just limit the amount of hospice care you can receive - like, if you're not dead in a week, you can have one of those nice put-the-dog-down-type injections.

Posted by: TLF | August 29, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

While active in the hospice movement in the late 70s to mid-80s, I warned that a proliferation of hospice programs would occur when other health care agencies saw it as a "cash cow," and began to milk the cow. That appears to be the case, now that the cost of hospice care is increasing and projected to increase at a greater rate than other health care services. The end of a ten year transitional period that is now expiring and allowing a 3-year phase in of the new rule is no reason for alarmist reactions to a rule change.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

yello-you never offend, much. I'm even getting used to your "that" in place of "who." It's just so yj'ish.

Posted by: frostbitten | August 29, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Yello, offensive? I must be missing something. I don't recall that you've ever offended me. Others, maybe, but not you. Actually, you're my favorite non-Democrat around here!

Posted by: slyness | August 29, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I dunno why Biden should come off as conscending at all, DNAgirl.

But then, I don't think "You're likable enough, Hillary" was condescending to her, because I was watching the body language live and Obama was laughing a little. Hillary had gone into an awkward, self-mocking complaint about how she just wasn't likable.

Now, condescending would have been to agree with her, or to give her tips on how to be more likable, say, "Poor Hillary", or to offer to wipe her tears off. Come on. You gotta watch the moment again on Youtube and really decide.

Personally, I'd have guffawed (aznd I was when she was saying that)-- "That's a load of bull**, Hillary. You're not last place, and don't play the pity card on us, sister." Obama chose to say it more nicely, not being in the situation to diss Hillary's pity party so bluntly.

That was a case where spin has overtaken the actual commentary. As it was, Hillary was likable enough to 18 million people.

IMO, the Obama campaign would be better off ignoring McCain's veep pick for a couple days, letting the effects sink in, while they dig up the dirt, and continue to attack McCain, since it's his choice and all.

There is a huge difference between somebody who has managed to win the nomination on a relatively short record with a lot of promise... versus a old-timer candidate picking inexperienced people for major office without even the educational background to ensure some competence.

Anybody saying "Good Job, Brownie" to themselves yet?

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 29, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Yello: That site is disgustingly offensive. WaPo needs to follow its own rules on postings.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Hehehe, Wilbrod, that's funny.

TLF, Mr. F sounds like a good Southern guy who was raised Democratic but went over to the dark side with Nixon's Southern strategy. My brother did that; I'll never figure out why. Mr. T was raised Republican in a Republican (read: rural, small) county in NC. We do not ever discuss politics. Thank heavens for the Geekdottir and Achenblog, I'd go crazy otherwise, not having anyone to talk to.

Posted by: slyness | August 29, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

This is some strange rain development.

Posted by: Jumper | August 29, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Not that Palin's THAT inexperienced, but considering the talent pool out there, I gotta say, why her, just like I ask why did a horse fancier wind up heading FEMA when he knew nothing about emergency prep?

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 29, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

"(Q: How do we know, when the tanker pulls into port, where the oil originally came from? It's not like it's a different flavor or has a stamp marked Iran)"

Um, perhaps from the Bill of Lading???

Posted by: Kayakr | August 29, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain: bridge to 20th
Palin: bridge to 19th

I really liked Pohl's "Years of the City"

In the future the Legislature's job is to review and repeal laws - not to pass 'em...

Posted by: omni | August 29, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Kayakr made me laugh. Thanks.

Posted by: Jumper | August 29, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

ooh, wow. a non-sequitur in one post

Posted by: omni | August 29, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Nope, slyness, he was raised republican in good ole central NY where we still live. In fact, many of these counties in upstate are heavily republican. I'm in the minority, at least amongst the middle/older demographic.

Thank God for NYC otherwise we'd be red.

Posted by: TLF | August 29, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say anything about Biden coming off as condescending. In fact I said, the "handlers" should let him be himself, i.e., a hard-hitting but likable person, not tie him up in knots with conflicting advice.

From what I have seen, the Obama A team comprises smart, professional people who believe they can win. So I'm guessing the Biden B team will have the same qualities and not do anything stupid like take the gender-based baits.

Posted by: DNA Girl | August 29, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

another BOoO my last post was directed at ahh I hope you know what I mean

Kayakr - I hope to see you here again

Posted by: omni | August 29, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I agree with you on that, DNA girl. But then I've never understood what some people consider condescending.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 29, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

The stupid things Palin has done are coming out of the woodwork, the latest:

:She supported and raised funds for Pat Buchanans radical right-wing campaigns.

:She improperly used state resources to lobby for a ballot initiative.

:She endorsed and helped implement what will become the "biggest open pit mining operation in the country."

I'm sure more will be coming up. But her vetting and McCain's credibility are taking a pounding.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

The concert was wicked hardcore(in a heavy Boston accent)

Posted by: greenwithenvy | August 29, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh that's simple. To be condescending is to be cat. Not dog.


Posted by: DNA Girl | August 29, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Some of you folks who consider yourself, as Biden, more intelligent than you actually are, you certainly seem defensive.

Could it be that Palin is an out of the park home run?

She smoked pot and told the truth. She's the Chief Executive of a state. Her husband's a blue collar union worker. 5 kids. One Downs. Considered abortion. Ran a small business. White. Female. Beautiful. Articulate. Courageous. Sports journalist. Outdoorswoman. Kind. Son going to Iraq.

You hate her.

I love Yellojkt (perfect shade you picked) labeling her as a "right wing extremist."

DNC Did Not see it Coming.

And, being so inclusive and open minded, you would never vote for her.

Posted by: Achen Rules | August 29, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

What talent? It's a field of midgets from which McCain was obliged to choose.

Terror in my Democratic heart? Puh-leeeze.

Posted by: KPage | August 29, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Rules, you forgot opportunistic, self-dealing, vindictive, lawbreaking, rule bending, sneaky, voracious and wily. She ain't called Sarah Barrcuda for nothin'

Posted by: Shiloh | August 29, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

So, according to you, Kpage, McCain basically auditioned all the VP candidates like a litter of puppies in a shelter, and went, "aww, I'll take the littlest one, she's so cute, she looks like a princess??"

DNAgirl, I just figured out another example of "condescending".

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 29, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Drive-by boodling. Sarah Palin? Beautiful plumage. May be pining for VPOTUS. DOA.

Posted by: bill everything | August 29, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

I am sure many people said this today, but I have only barely back-boodled a bit.

I do not think all those votes cast for Hilary were cast for *any female* they were cast for HER. Putting Sarah Palin out to catch disaffected Hilary voters is IMHO, silly.

Posted by: nellie | August 29, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

What we need to remember about Palin's experience in government, is that she was a part-time Mayor in a town run by the City Manager, and has only been in Governor of Alaska for about 20 months. Barak Obama was a state legislator and a US Senator for longer than she was in these offices.

Posted by: Alamo | August 30, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

"Fungible" is one of my favorite words. It's up there with "defenestrate."

Somebody did quote the offensive rule in those comments. I never made my way to the bottom. I spend a lot of time on Wonkette where the humor is a lot rawer and more cutting than here, but there is an underlying level of irony and self-parody. Those commenters were just being crude and graphic for the sheer shock value. If and when WaPo registers commenters, I will understand why.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 30, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Hi, bill - hope you and yours are doing well.

No, I don't hate Sarah Palin, but I would never vote for her.

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 30, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and I think the Palin choice was about getting the Republican base excited, not about Hillary voters. Certainly shook things up, for now. We'll see.

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 30, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

In re: Section 43

Posted by: Jumper | August 30, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

I concur, Nellie.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 30, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Its an interesting choice to be sure. I personally think, its nice to see people who are from just a little off the beaten path making it to the ballot.

Having come from small towns and backwoods places, I would strongly advise that underestimating her would be a very bad move. Small towns can breed big ideas. (See conversations in old boodles about Canadian healthcare and how medicare came out of that hotbed of radical thinking, Saskatchewan in the 30's)

Posted by: dr | August 30, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Palin is extremely right wing - would outlaw abortion, teach creationism, drill in ANWR. As I said, I think it's fine that the Republicans finally nominated a woman, but she's really not presidential material, any more than Clarence Thomas was the best person for the Supreme Court. I might feel differently if she had run for president on her own - then we could have seen what she's got to offer, on her own. I'd still disagree with her on policy, but might feel she's up to the job.

Wasilla is where the Iditarod actually starts, so I suppose she has experience in international relations of some sort.

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 30, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I agree with you on that, DNA girl. But then I've never understood what some people consider condescending.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 29, 2008 10:34 PM

Well, yes, that's the point, isnt it?


Wink, nod, etc!

Posted by: Bob S. | August 30, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

I suspect that, much like political acumen, condescension is in the eye of the beholder.

(Unless you're willing to put yourself on the market, in which case good, honest free-market capitalism will quickly let you know whether you are sufficiently acute or condescending for the current market needs.)

Posted by: Bob S. | August 30, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday, Ivansmom. Many happy returns of the day.

Posted by: rainforest | August 30, 2008 4:20 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. I could not get back on the Achenblog yesterday, it was if it died. It was in one place, and did not move.


My dad said the first thing out of Palin's mouth was the abortion issue. My dad also said, no matter what is going on in the country, Repubs only talk about abortion and prayer in school.

And, it looks like New Orleans will see hurricane weather. I hope they have everything worked out. Get the people out. My prayer is that it won't be as bad as Katrina. I still get chills when I think about Katrina.

Slyness, Scotty, Mudge, Martooni, you guys sleeping in this morning? Morning, all.*waving*

I think I will go back to bed, and get another nap. We may get more rain today, the air is really heavy. Enjoy your weekend, and grill up lots of good food.

Posted by: cassandra s | August 30, 2008 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all. Happy Birthday to the boodlers and readers, I have a sil and her husband who are both Virgos and they have the neatest, tidiest, most organized house, even their female lab is tidy (and sweet natured).

Last night we watched Obama's speech, and it was wonderful and the whole evening had something shining for those who were there and those who were not. History in front of us, candidates families on display and fireworks to boot. Very satisfying convention.

Speaking only for myself, I'm glad McCain is happy with his candidate. No doubt that the right wing/ conservative branch of the Republican Party is appeased. More new history in that Palin is a woman. But, I believe that is as far as she goes. I cannot imagine that Hilary supporters will be swayed to vote for McCain based on the selection of the Governor of Alaska as his runningmate. I would HOPE the uncommited independents at large are not too impressed with her, but we never know, do we?

Funny label some of you all have given her, Trophy Veep. Poor Cindy.....although maybe, just maybe she is relived to be out of the spotlight/hotlight for now.

The rain has refreshed, not just the trees and grass and gardens, but washed away the pollen for a while. So much nicer not to cough and sneeze from the ragweed.

Posted by: Vintage Lady | August 30, 2008 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday Ivansmom.

FTB hoped you enjoyed your day yesterday.

Posted by: dmd | August 30, 2008 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Put yer hair down, Wilbrod! I have no idea how McCain chose her, specifically. It just seems to me that ... to shift metaphors ... the pool from which he could choose was shallow. There are others he could have chosen who would have made a dynamite ticket, but they wouldn't serve.

Who knows? Perhaps ... to shift back ... she'll prove to be the David that slays Goliath.

Time to feed the dogs.

Posted by: KPage | August 30, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Morning all!! HBTY, Ivansmom!! *confetti and horn-tooting*

I totally agree w/TBG, Buffalo Billiards will be a great location, particularly since it's non-smoking! And shucks, I hadn't picked up a cue in years before last night... *hehehehehehe* :-)

Dunno if we needed any Front Page Alerts last evening, but it sure looks like we had a few visitors... *shrug*

And yellojkt, it DEFINITELY looks like that entire comment section should be deleted so they can start over with some moderators present... *shaking my head*

In other news...
CINCINNATI (AP) -- Maybe receiver Chad Johnson can go by the name that his head coach hates.
The Cincinnati Bengals receiver has legally changed his name to Chad Javon Ocho Cinco in Broward County, Fla., a switch that became official this week, according to several media reports. Johnson, who lives in Miami, didn't return a message left on his cell phone Friday night.

OK, we've got the circuses, where's the bread?

*long-weekend-with-lots-of-Boodle-birthday-connections Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 30, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Shiloh, re: your 10:44pm, no wonder Pat Buchanan was so gung-ho for Palin on MSNBC last night although I don't recall him mentioning she ever campaigned for him - maybe I missed it since I tend to tune him out. It had to be pointed out to him, after about the tenth time he called her "girl" and "gal", that most 44-yr old females prefer to be called "women". Especially ones who may have to step into the role of Commander in Chief - although "tough old broad" may be acceptable in those circumstances.

Posted by: TLF | August 30, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Pat Buchanan is short voice over about Palin as a fund raiser for his campaign.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I wasn't doubting you at all about her supporting Buchanan, Shiloh. I guess, in my round-about way, I was pointing out Buchanan, as usual, doesn't believe in full disclosure - at least not when it comes to him.

Posted by: TLF | August 30, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Good morning all, happy birthday to Ivansmom and ftb. And any others who are celebrating their natal days.

I'm finished with politics for the week. Good thing we have a holiday coming up so we can vacate from the subject. Not that that will work.

On to the day. Gotta go to the farmers market and see what the goat cheese lady has today. I'm fond of rosemary goat cheese.

Posted by: slyness | August 30, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

“What is it exactly that the vice president does every day?” she [Sarah Palin] asked in an interview on CNBC.


Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Dropping a late BD greeting to FTB and on time to Ivansmom.

From the Boodle's six o'clock position.

Looks like the Evil One is heading on a fool's errand when he goes to Tiblisi. Kazakstan now stands firmly with Russia and will not ship oil through Georgia. With his oil stratedy in shambles, Chenney will only look foolish in the eyes of the world.

Posted by: Brag | August 30, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Good morning everybody. I'd return grover waves, and hearty good mornings, but I'd need coffee first. For now I hope a weak, pathetic, feeble good morning is ok.

I know I have been buried in yarny things lately, but could someone please tell me when they stopped making movies?

I stopped at the video store and looked for something decent to watch, and for a very long time, it looked like Harold and Kumar was as good as it gets. There were no good movies on the previously viewed wall at all.

I was saved by the full price movie section but the movie I picked up is from 2005.

Posted by: dr | August 30, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday, Ivansmom! Hope you get treated right.

I watched a few of those YouTube interviews and she will go over great with my red meat friends. It is about energizing the base. And Palin has plenty of energy.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 30, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

well, currently the VP's duties are wake up early, stick hand up prez's butt, and drink water while prez talks.

Ah, now I understand georgies inability to speak coherently

Good morning everyone.

Posted by: omni | August 30, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm reading that many people are talking about how Palin being selected is a Feminist victory. I dunno. Like I said earlier, if you define feminism as any woman over any man, then it is. If you define feminism as advancing causes that are important to most women, I'm more skeptical.

Further, and I realize that maybe I'm way off base here, but to me having a man pick a woman as his running mate for political gain isn't really a glowing achievement for women. The narrative seems way too Disney Princess. You know, like Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty. (Except instead of a Handsome Prince you got McCain.)

What really impresses me is when I see women who achieve amazing things on their own - and not as a means to an end for some man.

Which reminds me.

Happy Birthday Ivansmom!

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 30, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Hi dr,
This movie, somewhat overlooked, is worth a view:

Life as a House (Kevin Kline, Kristen Scott Thomas) You will need a hanky but will also appreciate the better angels revealed in the characters.

If you want an obscure but interesting movie, try finding (by online or special order)
Jean Renoir's take on Rumer Godden's book

The River

Dated a bit, but the first major movie made in India. Sangit Ray hovered around the making of it, so I think this experience may have helped him steer a path toward moving making. Then, you can rent SR's Apu series......

Off to buy tomatoes and good bread, perchance a peach or two. On the menu at noon, world's best BLT sandwiches. Will leave a tray of fixins' out for y'all. Homemade mayonnaise by Yoki and a light whipped cream cheese spread laced with herbs. Try that, in a thin whisp between the lettuce and bread, you mayonnaise-haters.

Posted by: College Parkian | August 30, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

William Henry Harrison (February 9, 1773 – April 4, 1841) was an American military leader, politician, and the ninth president of the United States. The oldest President elected until Ronald Reagan, Harrison served barely more than a month in office—still the briefest tenure in United States presidential history. His death created a brief constitutional crisis, but ultimately resolved many questions about presidential succession left unanswered by the Constitution until passage of the 25th Amendment.

Sarah Palin, President?

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday to ftb and Ivansmom. Omni, perfect description of VP’s duties.

It’s been interesting to read and hear all the opinions on Palin. John Stewart last night described her resume as more suited to a Northern Exposure reunion show. Some Faux News person said she had experience in international relations because Alaska is next to Russia, which Stewart reasoned was like saying that because the state is also close to the north pole, Palin must know Santa. Of course, there is no way a man with the same ‘credentials’ would have been chosen. Once the shock and surprise dies down, I think most people will see this pick for what it is. The rest were already in the tank for McCain. Frankly, if he was fifteen years younger, without the cancer and torture history, I’d be less concerned about Palin.

A bit rainy here today, which is fine with me for errand running. Also, #2 is coming later on to try on her wedding dress so I can hem it. The wedding date is coming fast and I am making dresses for the granddaughters, who will be flower girls. Of course I have to get patterns and fabric in the right color, which I hope won’t be a problem. I still haven’t seen a dress I’d buy for myself and I dread the hunt to find one. I like the type of shopping where I can just grad a bunch of items, try them on and choose one. This is going to be more difficult. Part of me thinks I’ll end up sewing a dress for myself. Ah well, nice problems to have.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | August 30, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

dr, I know exactly what you mean. But I highly recommend 'Miss Pettigrew Lives for a Day'.

And 'My Blueberry Nights' with Norah Jones. Yes, that Norah Jones .

Wow, learn something new everyday: Her Dad is Ravi Shankar.

Posted by: omni | August 30, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Last night we watched "There Will be Blood."

I dunno.

The pacing redefined languid. I never really got into the head of the main character. I found the score to be like fingernails on a chalkboard. And the milkshake payoff just never worked for me.

Pretty to look at, though.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 30, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

James Abram Garfield (November 19, 1831 – September 19, 1881) was the twentieth President of the United States, and, as a result of his assassination, served only six months in that office—the second shortest administration in United States history.

Chester Alan Arthur (October 5, 1829 – November 18, 1886) was an American politician who served as the twenty-first President of the United States. Arthur was a member of the Republican Party and worked as a lawyer before becoming the twentieth vice president under James Garfield. While Garfield was mortally wounded by Charles Guiteau on July 2, 1881, he did not die until September 19, at which time Arthur was sworn in as president, serving until March 4, 1885.

Sarah Palin, President?

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Bad Sneakers - I think it is cool that you are making those dresses. My mom used to do a lot of sewing on a vintage commercial-quality Singer. As kids probably a half of our wardrobe was handmade. Especially the pajamas.

Including my custom-made tiger jammies of which we shall speak no more.

When my sister got married my mom made all the Bridesmaids dresses.

Anyway, home-sewing is an increasingly rare art. But I think it is such a wonderful way to, you know, incorporate love into a garment. Hope the wedding goes great.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 30, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday, Ivansmom!

As usual, RD, you're right on target. Having a man pick you for VP isn't the same thing as winning 18 million votes yourself, despite Palin's appropriation of the 18 million cracks analogy. I hope a pundit points that out!

CP, faxing you some tomatoes. I have about 10# sitting on the kitchen island. Basil, anyone? Weren't you going away this weekend?

Posted by: dbG | August 30, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Warren Gamaliel Harding (November 2, 1865 – August 2, 1923) was an American politician, and the twenty-ninth President of the United States, serving from 1921 to 1923, his term ending as he died from a heart attack at age 57.

Sarah Palin, President?

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

US Presidents Who Died In Office

Number, President, Date of Death, Cause of Death

1 William Henry Harrison April 4, 1841 Natural Causes
2 Zachary Taylor July 9, 1850 Natural Causes
3 Abraham Lincoln April 14, 1865 Assassinated
4 James A. Garfield September 19, 1881 Assassinated July 2, 1881
5 William McKinley September 14, 1901 Assassinated September 6, 1901
6 Warren Harding August 2, 1923 Natural Causes
7 Franklin D. Roosevelt April 12, 1945 Natural Causes
8 John F. Kennedy November 22, 1963 Assassinated

Sarah Palin, President?

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

The way my mind works sometimes I just came up with craziest theory...Back in 2000, McCain made a serious bid to become president, but after eight years of this nightmare is deliberately doing everything he can to hand it back to the Dems.

Posted by: omni | August 30, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

As a hockey mom and basketball coach, Sarah Palin is uniquely qualified to become President of the United States in the event of a vacancy in office. Her experience as the mayor of a community of 7,000 and almost two years as governor of a state of almost 700,000 is more than adequate to govern a nation of 300 million. She has been tested in that most rigorous of American contests, the beauty pageant. She has lived side-by-side with the people of both Canada and Russia and, as an experienced hunter and member of the NRA, knows how to protect our borders. As a staunch opponent of abortion and proponent of teaching creation science she is uniquely qualified to fill vacancies on the supreme court.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

*faxing a big birthday cake to FTB (belated), to Ivansmom, and tp mo (coming up). Did I miss anybody in the current cluster?*

'Morning, Boodle.

I'm beginning to wonder if maybe, when the GOP convention starts, there might not be a sizable revolt happening, with a sizable display of anti-McCain/anti-Palin sentiment. Segments of the GOP have never been happy w/ McC, and I wonder if these same elements won't just throw up their hands over Palin. After all, the core sentiment of being a "maverick" (insofar as that myth has any slim foundation) is to say eff you to your own party. So I wonder if there aren't some party stalwarts who might not say the same back to McCain.

Rove criticized the talk about Kaine being VP because he only had three years as governor and 6 years as mayor of Richmond. Surely one would thing the mighty Karl Rove couldn't possibly back Palin, could he?

As the great (Irish? Royal Navy) toast has it: confusion to the enemy!!!

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 30, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Lovely stories from Bob Herbert this morning:

Posted by: DNA Girl | August 30, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

dbG -- got the 'maters. Make your sandwich the way you like it, boodlers. Leave some for guests. Yoki will whip up more of that mayo as needed. Bibb and romaine lettuce, so take your choice. Mudge keeps a head of iceberg in the magic-no-spoil fridge. All lettuce-textures covered.

Not going away but not teaching school until Wednesday, so I am in a vacation state of mind. And revising the course, etc.

Posted by: College Parkian | August 30, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Bill Maher had a great line last night. He said that it wasn't a campaign ticket, it was a sitcom premise: The Maverick and The MILF.

He also compared Palin to a stewardess, which the female journalist on the panel took a little umbrage at.

Charles Guiteau is major character in Stephen Sondheim's 'Assassins' and the subject of a few chapters in Sarah Vowell's 'Assassination Vacation'. Kinda alarms me that I recognize the name so quickly.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 30, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

More Sarah Palin qualifications to become president:

As a local television sports reporter she has the experience necessary to communicate with the people of the United States. Her personal charm and vivacity guarantees success in dealing with Vladimir Putin. Her Christian fundamentalism and future interactions with People of the Book will entrance Ehud Olmert and will convince Mahoud Ahmadinejad and Ali Khamenei to be good boys. In the Republican Christian tradition, she need only look into their eyes to see their souls.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Hey omni, look what I found:

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Be sure to click on 2912 in sinfest too.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

A shout out of thanks to all for the BD greetings. We had a great time last night, and the restaurant even put a candle (one, thankfully) into the top little scoop of my mango sorbet. Very sweet.

I only regret that I had to share that day with John McCain and Michael Jackson. That being said, I am grateful that Ingrid Bergman was also born on my birthday day (um, a "few" years earlier); strangely enough (or not) she also died on that date. I prefer her on the list rather than the other two.

One of my dear friends who treated me to dinner last night is, alas (and even though she never voted for Bush), a Republican at heart. She's a pretty strong feminist, but I think she's also complicated. And entirely too complicated to go through here. She's pretty well connected, and she's going to check out Ms. Two-Shoes among the Alaskans she knows. She still won't vote for Obama, though, nor will my friend in Pennsylvania. I told them both that if McCain wins, I will *not* countenance *any* b i t c h i n g about women's rights or the economy from them. AT ALL!!!

I hope this pick angers the more moderate Republicans (all two of them) to allow them to walk away from the party -- at least in November.

And, more glad greetings of the day, Ivansmom for your BD today. Isn't this fun, getting all these lovely BD wishes from our virtual family?

On to the farmers market. . . .

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | August 30, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Dozens Detained Ahead of Convention

The Republicans know how to deal with protest: stifle it.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Now I'm fired up. That Minnesota lawyer is probably getting as much heat as the protest group. Why else be so vague on the status of the warrant? When do jokes about Godwin's law start to be unfunny?

Posted by: Jumper | August 30, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

There goes the FIRST amendment. Yet again.

Denver is the same city that banned pit bulls from city limits just because hey, people don't have a right to dogs as property if somebody doesn't like the label on them.

I expect to see flak about Denver taking a page from Beijing in politics.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 30, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

McCain’s Baked Alaska

I would have called it "half-baked."

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

SCC: This is St. Paul.

Yeah, they have a representative who also believes in banning every dog that has a "dangerous reputation"-- he wanted to make it a felony to own such a dog and to have all those dogs destroyed.

That'd have included Wilbrodog. A**.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 30, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

St. Paul was also a haven for crooks during Prohibition days. All they had to do was "contribute" by buying expensive tickets to the policeman's ball and promise not to do crimes while in town, and they had a free pass.

It'll be interesting to see on what basis the warrant was given, if there was actually one read aloud or shown.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 30, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Er, to clarify, I do NOT have a dangerous reputation. It's that I belong to certain breeds and breed mix that were supposed to be banned.

It's not easy being mean.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | August 30, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Gnome: get breakfast and caffeine, NOW. No more PC.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | August 30, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

“The vice president is a heartbeat away from becoming president,” (Senator Barbara) Boxer said in a statement. “So to choose someone with not one hour's worth of experience on national issues is a dangerous choice.”

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

happy birthday to ivansmom and ftb!

i'm still musing over mccain's vp selection. on gwen ifill's show, one of the journalists mentioned he heard from a gop strategist that the republicans still intend to make the experience case despite the contradiction. i just don't see how that's going to work. picking palin is such a gamble, especially given mccain's age.

i really don't want a president who likes to take big risks.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | August 30, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Ivansmom to FTB and vice versa, y'll can sing this to one another:

Here is your MIDI background music. Ivansmom is really good at this, FTB, being a fully certifiable soprano and all.

HINT to the others: Lennon-McCartney.

Posted by: College Parkian | August 30, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Once I was a member of a comedy / variety troupe. An irreverent, occasionally shocking, occasionally awful, slanted towards the bohemian, libertarian, often leftish comedy troupe. And mostly anti-Iraq war before it started. Two of maybe ten believed the President was right, and they participated without much friction because we were, after all, a comedy group. It all worked.

And the local lawdogs decided to infiltrate our group for practice. Yeah. Since we had an open door policy, I don't know how much practice they got. And I don't know how much information, either. That's the uneasy part.

After a while, it all just became glaringly obvious. Lawdog #2 dropped out, presumably for an assignment that was not headed nowhere. #1 we picked to portray Saddam Hussein on a routine basis in all the skits requiring the character. He finally more-or-less admitted what he was doing there. I don't know why he came around a few more times after that. I guess he liked us. But he finally stopped showing up.

Posted by: Jumper | August 30, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning all
I enjoyed this article about swimming holes. As a kid,growing up in the Baltimore area,the Patapsco river was our favorite swimming hole within a not so short bike ride.Blode dam was cool cause you could actually swim under it.When we got older we would frequent the many quarries along the river area. Tarzan swings and cliff diving were all part of the fun. When I first dove off of a cliff, I nearly tore my arms off.being on the dive team at our local pool we were always taught to dive with our hands in a triangle position.that is ok for 12-20 feet. But when diving off a cliff from 50-60 feet hands in a fist position worked much better.

Now my swimming hole is only along the river I live near,no diving just floating and swimming. it looks like the sun is finally coming out,I may head to my favorite swimming hole later. may take a few worms too.

Have a great day everyone!!!

Oh, here is the link

Posted by: greenwithenvy | August 30, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"...he heard from a gop strategist that the republicans still intend to make the experience case despite the contradiction. i just don't see how that's going to work."

Because the Republicans really believe that if they say it, it's true.

The unfortunate thing is that the strategy has worked for nearly 8 years. Let's hope Obama and his A Team can put an end to that.

Posted by: TBG | August 30, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Yes, the Repubs will say experience matters at the top of the ticket, not so much for VP, even if their presidential nominee is 72. And they'll say it with conviction and righteousness. I'm hoping Obama is working on his answer to abortion, because that's where I'm afraid we're headed now. I loved his line about how Republicans have made big elections about small things, but that won't go over well regarding abortion rights - from either side, really. Sigh.

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 30, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

SCC: Instead of saying "Because the Republicans really believe that if they say it, it's true." I should have said...

Because the Republicans know that if they say it, *people will believe* it's true.

Posted by: TBG | August 30, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

This just in:

(Boise, ID) SPN - Sources in the office of Idaho Governor C.L. "Butch" Otter have revealed that Idaho born Sarah Palin was not the only Idahoan considered for the vice-presidential slot by (Sen.) John McCain. The presumptive 72 year-old Republican candidate for president also considered an NRA board member who has received a 96% approval rating from the American Conservative Union for his broad stance on conservative issues, Senator Larry Craig (R-ID), Chairman of the Senate Special Committee on Aging. The possible selection of Craig gained credence when he was spotted at the Minneapolis-St.Paul International Airport. Minneapolis is the site of the Republican National Convention next week. The announcement that Palin had been selected put to rest rumors about Craig. Sources close to Craig said that McCain wanted a strong, younger woman and beauty queen as his running mate.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

tbg, both versions of your sentence work for me. rhetoric creating reality (in the relative sense).

Posted by: L.A. lurker | August 30, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I realized at some point yesterday that McCain had pulled off the "spectacular surprise" I hoped Obama would. I really thought McCain's VP was going to be boring, boring, boring. Was I wrong!

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 30, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I think you've hit on sexism, ageism, and gays in five sentences.

Posted by: Not Anonymous | August 30, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

You were my inspiration for visiting Half Moon Bay last week. It was gorgeous. I have some pictures that I haven't finished labeling. Here's as good a place as any to start:

Thanks for that article. I just discovered Bloede Dam this summer and I've lived in HoCo twelve years now. My road bike is in the shop (ten day wait to get a single spoke fixed) so I might wander down with my camera on my trail bike this weekend if there is a nice day.

A ride out to Savage Mill might be a good idea too.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 30, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Mostly, I'm actually still bored by McCain's VP pick.

Posted by: Wilb rod | August 30, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

The forecast cone for Gustav is still focused on the Louisiana coast, to the west of New Orleans...

And the development forecasts point to something very close to a Cat 3 at landfall.

Not looking good, folks. Too bad the St. Paul police can't proactively take Gustav into custody, too. *SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 30, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon, all.

Had a discussion with a Boodle-friend about McCain's selection of Palin as VP candidate as a way to draw pro-Hillary Dems votes away from the Obama-Biden ticket.

She said, "The only thing Palin has in common with Hillary is that they both have a vagina."

I am not going to consider asking for proof of even *that.*


Posted by: bc | August 30, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Betty and Veronica. Where is Archie and Jughead

Posted by: mike | August 30, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

On a side note, the pre-run of DC Buffalo Billiards was fun, I made some notes about the experience that I'll post as part of the run-up to the Mega BPH.

I will say that I was encouraged when the BB staff played me in (allow my ego that small vanity) to the dulcet tones of the Scorpions' "The Zoo." (A song that poured out of the Jensen co-ax speakers in the rear deck of my '69 Plymouth Road Runner innumerable times as loud as the self-installed casette deck and 120 watt booster would go...)

Have a good afternoon, all.
I have some cleaning and shopping to get to.


Posted by: bc | August 30, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

bc, Samantha Bee did a great bit on the ‘ahem’ woman-thing on last night’s Daily Show. I’m sure you can catch it on the website.

Not that I want anyone to get hurt due to Gustav, but talking about the hurricane on all the cable news shows is a relief from the constant Palin thing.

Errands and chores done, now I can rest for a bit before #2 shows up for her ‘fitting.’ RD, thanks for the kind words about sewing and I guess you are correct. I like putting something of myself into important family occasions. I know my mom is smiling down on me as I sew but I do wish she were still around to go to for encouragement and tips.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | August 30, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Gustav may reach Category 4 before landfall. Just had about a 1 hour power outage during a thunderstorm, which doesn't bode well if either Gustav or Hanna make a turn for Florida.

Got back on IE and read Krauthammer, who is racking up comments over this:

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Nice pics yello,you know you bear a striking resemblence to the old fisherman.

picked another batch of green beans only a couple of lbs and none of them moved when I went to grab them.

Bacon tomato and cheese sandwiches for lunch were yummy,that is a good part of having so many beans,i am able to barter for other veggies.

Off to do some more yardwork.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | August 30, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

red state update on sarah palin:

Posted by: L.A. lurker | August 30, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Happy birthday, Ivansmom.

It is unbelievably humid down here in Tidewater. It feels like breathing through a hot, wet towel! I just comforted myself with a delicious BLT and a Constant Comment iced tea. It doesn't get any better than that.

The hubby and I went to see the BoDeans last night down at the oceanfront. He has seen them several times, but it was the first for me. What a show! They were really great. It was a nice way to bring summer to an end. Geez, it depresses me to say that. I love summer, no matter how hot and humid. Thankfully we are still getting lots of tomatoes so I can live in denial for a while.

Shiloh's running commentary about Palin yesterday made me laugh and I love the Red state guys, LA Lurker.

Bad Sneakers, I think that is so wonderful that you are making those dresses.

Ok, enough rambling, I hope everyone has a great holiday weekend.

Posted by: Kim | August 30, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, during the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):

5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges? (aka Bridge to Nowhere)

Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Happy BD Ivansmom

Since I worked with a bit of frustration before finding my main weather links, I value them. Here's this one of Gulf of Mexico
Poor Cuba. This is gonna hurt. Poor US.

Posted by: Jumper | August 30, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

LA Lurker's 2:19 link was funnier than I expected and recommended.

Posted by: Jumper | August 30, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Bad Sneakers noted: "Of course, there is no way a man with the same ‘credentials’ would have been chosen."

That may be so, but I think it's unproductive to keep going down that road. Every politician meets some need-of-the-moment or else he/she wouldn't be going anywhere, so it's not at all fair to complain about it. To make this claim about Sarah Palin is no different from Gerry Ferraro's noxious claim that Obama's race is the only reason he was doing well. It is beyond ironic to start complaining that an opponent has an unfair advantage precisely because he/she falls into some group whose identity previously has been a massively unfair disadvantage. It is clear that the reasoning behind McCain's VP pick is venal and petty, but the decision has been made. It us up to the Democrats to demonstrate why she is an actively bad choice. The motivation behind her selection is irrelevant.

Posted by: PlainTim | August 30, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

The BoDeans - cool!

Completely off Kit, I see that America's first Formula 1 World Champion, Phil Hill, passed away yesterday.

The guy was magic driving Ferraris in the '50s and early '60s, and quite an interesting guy to talk to. He was also one of the most knowledegeable vintage auto experts in the world, particularly where pre-war cars are concerned.

I'll be toasting him later.

I'm glad that they're evacuating the Gulf Coast ahead of Gustav, but sheesh - those folks have had enough rebuilding to do already, I hope they aren't facing more.


Posted by: bc | August 30, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Tim - while I agree that it isn't really the most productive argument to fixate on the reasons behind political decisions, there is a huge, huge difference between what Ferraro said and the accusations of Tokenism regarding Palin.

Ferraro's accusation was an insult to every person who has ever supported Obama. While Bad Sneakers comment (which is pretty self evident to me) is only an indictment of McCain.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 30, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for all the birthday greetings, and thanks to Mudge for the cake. It is very tasty. It is indeed fun to get birthday wishes from my imaginary friends. Last night we went to dinner and the Ivansclan took me to a bookstore. I had counted on buying "Kingmaker", Brag, but it was not in stock. Guess I'll order it online after all. Now I have mysteries to last for weeks.

Yes, dbG, I'd love some tomatoes. I acquired some at the farmer's market this morning but one can never have too many.

Yoki, I'm sorry if I disturbed you. I know Palin doesn't fit the trophy wife profile, because she is an accomplished woman in her own right. As I said, though, the sight of the rich and powerful older man choosing and accompanying the younger woman makes me uneasy. This may be because although I'm happy to acknowledge Palin's accomplishments and give her credit for them, and McCain may be too, I don't for a minute believe he has her on the ticket because he intends to consult her or take her advice on policy or governance issues. Of course, I don't think he'd do that with any Veep pick. That brings us back to balance-the-ticket issues, which leads us to demographics, and I'm back to the younger-woman/older-guy dynamic. The best analogy I have is "trophy Veep".

Posted by: Ivansmom | August 30, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, wish I could understand Red State Update. I don't think Bullwinkle would endorse Palin, she being claimed to be a moose hunter.

Posted by: WIlbrod | August 30, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom - the best comment I have heard regarding the "trophy Veep" thing is one from a woman at work.

"I don't know what the big deal is. Rich old guys have been using younger women to make themselves look good for years."

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 30, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Well, I didn't mean to paint Bad Sneakers with the 'noxious' brush. I certainly concede that Ferraro went way over a line there. I see a similarity in vein, but definitely not a similarity of degree. There is a rather big difference between someone running on his own merits before the American people vs. someone who has been picked to be put in front of them. Nevertheless, she's there now and I don't feel it's fair to Palin to criticize her on the basis of McCain's political calculations. On the other hand, it is perfectly fair to critique *McCain* for the level of principle that he brings to his own staffing judgments, considering that the next President will be called upon to make Supreme Court staffing decisions.

Posted by: PlainTim | August 30, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Sen. Clinton had won the nomination, if she would have chosen a woman as VP candidate. If not, why? Discuss.

Posted by: Jumper | August 30, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

firsttimeblogger, you share a BD with all these as well:

1632 - John Locke, English philosopher (d. 1704)
1809 - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr., American physician (d. 1894)
1811 - Henry Bergh, founder of ASPCA (d. 1888)
1915 - Ingrid Bergman, Swedish actress (d. 1982)
1917 - Isabel Sanford, American actress (d. 2004)
1920 - Charlie Parker, American musician (d. 1955)
1923 - Richard Attenborough, English film director
1924 - Dinah Washington, American singer (d. 1963)
1938 - Elliott Gould, American actor
1938 - Robert Rubin, United States Secretary of the Treasury
1939 - Joel Schumacher, American film director
1940 - James Brady, White House Press Secretary and gun control activist
1941 - Robin Leach, English television host
1959 - Chris Hadfield, Canadian astronaut
1959 - Rebecca De Mornay, American actress
1969 - Me'Shell NdegéOcello, American singer
1971 - Carla Gugino, American actress
1981 - Lanny Barbie, Canadian pornographic actress
1992 - Mallu Magalhães, Brazilian singer-songwriter

And for the record, there are only four names in this list I was not previously familiar with...

Posted by: omni | August 30, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, I'd calculate the odds of Hillary picking a woman in that scenario as a VP as maybe 25% or less. The odds are high that she'd have picked Obama.

She wanted to win, after all.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 30, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

If after hearing my BDate someone said I shared it with JM I'd be like whatever.

If told I shared it with MJ I'd say that is disturbingly annoying.

Posted by: omni | August 30, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

New kit, please, Joel?

I'm gone fishin' until a new kit emerges.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 30, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

ftb, and don't forget you share your birthdy with a fantastic young Canadian IMO :-).

Posted by: dmd | August 30, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

SCC on my 5:04 - Change four names to three
SCC on my 5:23 - put a comma (or two) in there somewhere...

Posted by: omni | August 30, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Gustav is shaping up as a great tragedy for Louisiana. The University of North Carolina professor Louis A. Pérez, Jr. (a prolific author) is perhaps someone who will understand. One of his books is "Winds of change: hurricanes and the transformation of nineteenth-century Cuba". A series of major hurricanes during the 1840s wrecked Cuba's booming coffee industry and led to Big Sugar. For those who worked as slaves on the plantations, the change was a catastrophe.

Thinking of catastrophes, the world's largest producer of coffee had been what is now Haiti. Haitian independence sent plantation operators fleeing to Cuba, Charleston, and New Orleans.

Louisiana can recover from occasional storms, no matter how bad. The New Orleans Times-Picayune has its celebrated 2002 series on hurricanes online. The history is horrible.

The two hurricanes of 2005 (everyone forgets Rita) are being followed only 3 years later by a storm that could destroy what survived Katrina and Rita.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | August 30, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

what about

Tropical storm force winds could extend into OK, AR, and TN, as well as the Gulf coast states (including nearly half of TX.) Thats a lot of hatches to bat down.

Yeah, I did go fishin'. I got no nibbles except on my hot dog from Wilbrodog.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 30, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Meant to say earlier - Happy Birthday ftb and Ivansmom.

I'm crossing my fingers and toes for those folks in Gustav's path - I certainly expect that the Administration's attention is on *this* particular storm.

As much as I don't want to be cynical about it, I do expect the GOP to leverage media coverage of the storm and its effects to their best possible advantage.

On another note, I see that NASA's upper management is at least acknowledging the obvious (deteriorating relations with Russia, some life-threatening anamolies in recent Soyuz descents, etc.) and considering the possibility of flying the Shuttle past its' scheduled 2010 retirement.

And I think I'm going to watch the last 3:42 of the Terps' opening game against Delaware through my fingers.


Posted by: bc | August 30, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

If Hurricane Gustav at category 5 makes landfall at Port Arthur TX it will probably mean $5 (or more) a gallon gas prices. Is that a God or Gaia judgment on the forthcoming election? Probably not, but it will be an issue and, before fundamentalist Christians can gain higher ground, I would like to say that the storm is the wrath of God directed at the Bush administration. However, if the storm dissipates in mid-Gulf, it is clearly voodoo storm control

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

And this site:

lots of different maps and plots, click on the small map and then scroll down and down.

Posted by: nellie | August 30, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, in the Red State video, Bullwinkle is not for Palin - he's saying, "That's not the change we need".

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 30, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I’ve read so many comments now about Palin, both here and around the web, that I’m no longer sure what to attribute to whom. My problem with McCain picking her is that the public and the media seem to be consumed with the idea of a woman running in this election. I just don’t think there are very many of us who are ‘ready’ to be president. Even Hillary has only been a senator for a bit more than one term and she held no other elective office prior to that. I doubt she would have been elected had she not been Bill’s wife. Now I firmly believe that a woman would be equal to the task of president given the same level of experience, there just aren’t that many women who have it. That is changing and will continue to change over time, but to get so focused on having a ‘woman’ on the ticket that you pick one whose credentials are so thin is just insulting. I want the right PERSON for the job regardless of their reproductive equipment.

I’m sure I’ll get slammed for the above and they’ll be a list of women who have all the qualifications for the job. So be it. It’s just my opinion and I may be totally wrong, wouldn’t be the first time.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | August 30, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Bad Sneakers - I agree completely. There's a difference between holding qualified women back, which is bad, and pushing unqualified women up, which is even worse.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 30, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Straight line trajectories for hurricanes are as rare as southerly or southwestern trajectories based on historical storm path maps. Hurricane Gustav in the former, and tropical storm Hanna in the latter are unlikely to follow either projected trajectory. Nobody can safely predict the final path of each storm any more than they can predict the outcome on November 4th.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

True, Shiloh. Hurricanes, from what I've seen at NOAA tracking maps, spin like tops and tend to arc somewhat and get deflected by changes in temperature in nearby air/water masses. That's why they project cones, not linear paths.

Still, it looks headed for the Gulf coast at this time, aimed right at the throat of Lousiana. It's unlikely to suddenly head south to Brazil.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 30, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how I feel about Palin. On the one hand, if McCain wins, I want to be able to say it was my idea. On the other hand, after a stunning defeat, I'm pretty sure I'll be able to say, you should have taken my advice and gone with Pawlenty. Damn McCain. What's he doing in this position in the first place?

Posted by: Karl Rove | August 30, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

American voters have been given a choice in this election: break through the shattered glass ceiling for women, or tear down the last wall of segregation and bigotry.

On November 4th, I will vote to tear down that wall.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 5:02 PM

I've reposted this from the Krauthammer site for several reasons.

First, because it is the "undertoad" of this election that should be up on a lily pad in the sunshine.

Secondly, because what I hope is the last gasp of prejudice is making a concerted effort to keep America white in it's own image, and

Finally, for personal reasons, not least among which are Cassandra's clarity of thinking, but as importantly, a promise to myself almost a half-century ago to see a time of dreams and sacrifice to fruition. The killings of JFK and MLK made me ashamed to be an American. To see an intelligent and dedicated man rise to their dreams is to me both redemptive and promising.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Gustav is bringing back bad memories for me. I do hope everyone gets out before this thing gets really bad.

I'm so sick of the abortion issue, and I don't believe in murder. The thing for me is if one is that passionate about the taking of human life, why does it stop there. I mean isn't the whole life important? Repubs seem to just view the issue in one lens, and for me, it doesn't stop there. And I do believe it is a very personal issue. Maybe I'm wrong about that, I don't know. Sometimes those that are against abortion are very much for the death penalty. And I know some crimes scream for the death penalty, but what's different? Perhaps I need to study this issue a little bit more. And with more options in birth control, why is it such a pressing issue? I believe the whole country could be starving, and the Repubs would still be talking abortion. Maybe I'm missing something.

Posted by: cassandra s | August 30, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh your post just brought tears to my eyes - beautifully said.

Posted by: dmd | August 30, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse


That is a mouthful, and more. Thanks.

Glad you had a good time. Give my best to the family, especially the Boy. The g-girl's birthday was yesterday. I haven't seen her yet. She was suppose to go to Chucky Cheese(?)today. Still have not talked to the grandsons. I have a loaner(hearing aid) but it doesn't help much. I'm not complaining, really, because I can hear the phone and the doorbell, so it's all good.

Bad Sneakers
I envy anyone that can do something with needle and thread or sewing machine. I can barely sew a button.

Have a good evening, folks. Night,boodle. Sweet dreams. And for those near the hurricane area, please be safe, don't try to ride it out.

Check in, Loomis.

Posted by: cassandra s | August 30, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I spoke my heart, dmd, and I will vote my mind in accord on election day. Thanks, I was also in tears from that memory, that promise to myself back then.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to post this in its entirety, but an excerpt from 'Bull Durham' (and Plus some)

Full many a gem of purest ray serene
The dark unfathom'd caves of ocean bear:
Full many a flower is born to blush unseen,
And waste its sweetness on the desert air.

the rest is here:

Posted by: omni | August 30, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Large was his bounty, and his soul sincere,
Heaven did a recompense as largely send:
He gave to Misery all he had, a tear,
He gained from Heaven ('twas all he wish'd) a friend.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I would use diacritics but I'm tired and ready for bed and my ready made diacritic cheat sheet isn't available at the moment - you the know French saying/expression - "the more things change the more the stay the same"?

We now - I think and hope we now have a new American saying/expression -

The More Things Change The More Change We Can Believe In

Posted by: omni | August 30, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Bravo Shiloh, I couldn’t agree with you more.

Cassandra, you understand the abortion issue very well I think. The Repubs love to bring up abortion and gay marriage. They’re both knee-jerk issues for many people and get emotions flowing rather than rational thought. We have too many other vitally important issues this year, health care, the wars, the economy, getting our Constitution working again, to name a few.

And don’t envy me the ability to sew. I’m looking at three layers of chiffon and silk that need serious hemming and I will do most if not all of it by hand. I’m sorta dreading it. The girls’ dresses will be a snap in comparison!

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | August 30, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh I send my deepest love your way (and you too Cassandra S)

No farther seek his merits to disclose,
Or draw his frailties from their dread abode
(There they alike in trembling hope repose),
The bosom of his Father and his God.

And, Shiloh, I too have really really got your posts this day...

Posted by: omni | August 30, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I am stunned and undeserving of accolades, omni and sneaks, my time has passed, but I delight in the rebirth of idea; You two are more important to the future, you are the tomorrows that make my yesterdays worthwhile.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 30, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Gustav worries me too,looks very similar to Kartina and as much strength it will gain before it slams into the coast.

I spent the evening on the river until it got dark and saw a couple of things I have never seen before.First I saw a flock of wild turkeys fly across the river,maybe 20-25.I thought they were geese at first,but they were turkeys. It was so cool,they were about 30 yards downstream and only about 5 feet above the river. Then the fog or mist rolled in,it got thick, so thick I couldn't see where i was going or even where I was casting my line. I only caught 1 big fish and about 25 smaller ones but had a Great time.I took a swim after I got the boat out,really neat swimming when it is completely dark.

Happy Birthday to all the birthday boodlers and the g-girl too.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | August 30, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, your brilliant rebuttal of
> made me laugh and cry. I miss your big brain and its deadly analytical precision, always delivered with just the perfect dose of wit.

Posted by: piXel | August 30, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Beileve me Omni
there is more faith in doubt

Posted by: phage | August 30, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I had a huge surprise waiting for me today. Somewhere along the line, I managed to schedule an entire week off. By accident. Monday, a semi regular work day is a holiday, Tuesday is not a normal working day for me and I asked for Wednesday to Friday off. They gave me Saturday off too, so I magically end up with 9 actual days of no work. This yarn store stuff is magic, just magic I tell you.

In 15 years, at my previous emloyment I managed a whole week only twice(its hazy, it may have been less, but not more than 3), 3 - 3 week holidays and one two week holiday. There were a lot of years of no holidays and that has a lot to do with being worn out when I left.

Whatever else I might do wrong in this life, I picked right when I left to work in the yarn store for peanuts (loosely translated as will work for yarn).

My only problem is what the heck am I going to do with all this time...hmmmmm

CP, everybody else, Thanks for the movie recommendations. I'm going to have to go searching for Miss Pettigrew and Blueberry Nights. I'm not sure There Will be Blood would be a good knitting movie, but its probably a great popcorn movie. I'll hold that for the days when mr dr is home and my wirsts are sore from knitting. I think there are a couple of movies still in wrappers from Christmas and there is always TCM. I only need to cover half a week. We are off to the mountains mid week, and I might just have to pull out all the stops and take along the March of the Penguins with Morgan Freeman narrating and Seabiscuit just to listen to David McCullough's voice.

Would it be wrong to buy the entire Civil War series (K. Burns)just to listen to David McCullough speak?

Posted by: dr | August 30, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Nay shiloh, you deserve the accolades. You expressed very deeply personal feelings beautifully.

Posted by: dr | August 30, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh, I have enjoyed your posts on the subject (saw your pointed tags on other blogs too), but by god, I'm really ready for a new kit cycle.

As for Cassandra's comments-- too true.

I've never understood the reasoning that makes a fetish of the idea of carrying a child to fruit far more than honoring the idea that the same child should have food, healthy working parents, clothes, an education, and a future free of crime.

I also ahbor the reasoning that states a pregnancy is sanoscranct but at the same time demonizes young women who have gotten pregnant by rape or other causes out of wedlock and need real help.

I've heard enough Republicans claim that welfare is "their hard earned tax money" just exploited by teenage mothers with 10 kids who are too lazy to work.

Well, never mind that a TEENAGE mother with 10 kids would be a biological wonder of wonders...

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 30, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Huzzah, dr! Have a great time. The Civil War series is worth having for a lot of reasons, not least of which is David McCullough. I meant to alert you the Charlie Rose interviewed him for the hour awhile ago - you can probably find it on his website.

I watched Match Point recently - Woody Allen, but set in England and kind of a film noir murder mystery/love triangle. I liked it. Have you seen Atonement? I watched it on DVD recently too - beautifully filmed.

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 30, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Pixel! Have you seen the announcement for the Mega BPH Oct 4? I think TBG posted the info in this boodle, or the previous one.

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 30, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Bravo, Shiloh, you have expressed my feelings so well. No need to add anything. Thank you!

Cassandra, ONE of the things I love about you is your amazing ability to get to the heart of an issue with clarity and common sense. Thank you for your thoughts on abortion and the dealth penalty.

Bedtime for me. I have partied happily with good friends to celebrate the coming wedding of a beautiful young lady I have loved since she was a child. Thank God for the times of joy.

Posted by: slyness | August 30, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I think what Shiloh expressed is what many of the voters who showed up at the caucus here were feeling. Part of what is so appealing to me about Obama is his message and his clear brilliance - which would be appealing no matter his race. But the fact that he is biracial adds the element that Shiloh spoke of. I think that has to be a large part of why he draws such huge crowds. Now if we all vote, it will be ok.

Sneaks, I think there are women who are qualified to be President - McCain could have picked Condi Rice, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, Elizabeth Dole, Carly Fiorina, etc, etc. I'm not a big believer that elective office is a pre-requisite, either. Look at Steve Forbes, Michael Bloomberg - no one whines about whether they're qualified. But Palin certainly seems minimally qualified, to say the least! I tried to listen to her speak today - couldn't do it.

What bothers me about the abortion debate is what I've seen, lurking on a pro-McCain forum. People there say things like, Obama would have preferred that Palin kill her Downs Syndrome baby - when nothing is further from the truth. People for abortion rights are for choice - the private decision that people have to make for themselves, without government interference. They don't want to tell anyone what to do, that's the point!

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 30, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

I was in Orlando today, picking up the last, largest, most expensive doors for the new kitchen (which is yet to be started). Showers started surprisingly easy.

About 7pm, it started to feel like a tropical storm's near, wind picking up, rain. Since then, some 1.55 inches.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | August 30, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

You know, I've spent a good bit of time pondering Shiloh's history lesson.
- - -
US Presidents Who Died In Office

Number, President, Date of Death, Cause of Death

1 William Henry Harrison April 4, 1841 Natural Causes
2 Zachary Taylor July 9, 1850 Natural Causes
3 Abraham Lincoln April 14, 1865 Assassinated
4 James A. Garfield September 19, 1881 Assassinated July 2, 1881
5 William McKinley September 14, 1901 Assassinated September 6, 1901
6 Warren Harding August 2, 1923 Natural Causes
7 Franklin D. Roosevelt April 12, 1945 Natural Causes
8 John F. Kennedy November 22, 1963 Assassinated
- - -

Basically, what I got out of it was that, if surviving you term was your biggest priority, then it was better to serve early in the Republic's history, or more recently.

Thanks, Shi! I'll incorporate that into my career plan.

Posted by: Bob S. | August 31, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, though you may be sick of the abortion issue, the value of human life and its impact on the world is of great interest to just about everybody. Don't expect it to ever go away.

Most of the pro-lifers I know are also opposed to capital punishment, and I'm seeing a growing trend in that demographic hoping to put an end to the death penalty.

I don't know Sarah Palin's position on capital punishment yet, but I am praying, praying that she opposes it.

While the talking heads speak of her capturing the left over women's votes from the HRC campers, I also know plenty of men, especially those of whom are fond of country music, adore the nostalgia of Motherhood and apple pie. From what I've heard over the last day or so, Sarah Palin has that special feminine touch that has captured their hearts.

I'm expecting to see "I'm voting for Sarah Palin" stickers on the bumpers of pickup trucks shortly.

Posted by: DandyLion | August 31, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

I know I flog my blog a lot, but I am particularly proud of my photoshop for tomorrow's Dowd column: Sarah Palin in a Sandra Bullock classic.

And for once, this sort of linking is on-topic.

Posted by: Mo MoDo | August 31, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

John McCain and Sarah Palin both support capital punishment. So do Barack Obama and Joe Biden, although Obama qualifies his support somewhat, saying he doesn't think it deters crime. Biden actually extended it to cover drug trafficking. Hmmmm, no perfect candidates, eh?

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 31, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

In general, I'm against death. But, darn it, it keeps happening!


Posted by: Bob S. | August 31, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

I won't bore you (or Shiloh) with the details of the research that I just spent an hour or so upon, but (briefly) US presidents aren't particularly prone to early deaths, excluding the occasional assassination.

The life expectancy for a 72 year old male in the U.S. is about 83. I understand that McCain's got pre-existing health issues, but he's also got better health care than most of us, and he's not yet 72.

I think that obsessing about the repercussions of a possible death are less useful than pondering which LIVE candidate you'd prefer.

Posted by: Bob S. | August 31, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone really think capital punishment deters crime? If it came down to a choice by a death by a long, drawn out death in a cage, or lethal injection, I think I would choose the shot.

But that's just me.

Posted by: DandyLion | August 31, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Because some quibbler out there is probably already sharpening his/her knives:

The U.S. Social Security Administration assures me that the life expectancy of a U.S. Male @ 70 = 13.27 years. In fact, his life expectancy won't drop below four years unless he magically becomes 90 years old!

Posted by: Bob S. | August 31, 2008 2:07 AM | Report abuse

DandyLion - Obviously, like any of a number of other issues, capital punishment is a tough issue to try to argue rationally, because the proponents and detractors are often working from positions that have nothing to do with rationality.

I personally have decided that it's impossible to administer "fairly", and not at all cost effective, so I'm against it. If I think someone really, really needs killing, I'll take care of it myself, and relieve the larger society of the guilt & expense. Presumably, if it comes to that, God and I will have a chance to discuss the issue face-to-face.

Posted by: Bob S. | August 31, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

I thought choosing a VP with convictions closer to the wingtips of the party platform is sort of a way of discouraging politically motivated assassinations.

Posted by: DandyLion | August 31, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Dandy - LOL! I think that's it, 'xackly!

Posted by: BobS. | August 31, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure that even the most enthusiastic Bush-despisers have never, ever thought that they'd be happier with President Cheney running the show.

Posted by: Bob S. | August 31, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

bob, maybe I got it wrong, but isn't it Cheney that's been running the show? And for quite some time.

I think the office of VP has been mischaracterized as a position that lacks power and influence over our nation's politics, and the Republicans have exploited the misconception.

Posted by: DandyLion | August 31, 2008 2:53 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' all...

Martooni reporting for Dawn Patrol duty. You can all safely roll over and go back to sleep now.

I've been keeping my views of Palin to myself, mainly because I really haven't developed any views about her yet. Except that her voice is irritating. She reminds me of a terminally happy camp counselor who can't understand why most people hate Mondays.

Good piece here from one of the younguns on the Outlook staff:

Time for coffee.

Dawn Patrol out...

Posted by: martooni | August 31, 2008 4:52 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning, morning, friends. Martooni, good to hear from you, and yes, I'm up and moving.

Dandylion, I'm not saying don't talk about abortion. I'm saying, and I'm probably not putting this well, include the issues surrounding abortion that affect all parts of human life and death. With the Repubs, it's as if they stop abortions everything will fall in place, and I don't see that. Personally, abortion has never been an option for me, yet it was my personal choice, not a directive from someone that did not have a clue about my life, and probably cared even less about my life.

Slyness, Mudge, Scotty, it is Sunday, turn over and get another nap. Morning, folks.*waving*

I've said my prayers, and my heart and prayers go out to the folks in the Gulf.

Shiloh, that was really nice what you said, and beautiful too.

I hope to go to Sunday school and church this morning. I hope everyone here gets a chance to give God some of your time. Have a great day, and a great holiday weekend.

The weather here is muggy and hot, with lots of clouds thrown in the mix.

Time to swim.

Posted by: cassandra s | August 31, 2008 6:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm late to dawn patrol, but I'm here!

Dandy, I agree with you about the shot, but Bob S. expressed my feelings about the death penalty exactly. If it can't be administered fairly, and it can't, let criminals spend their lives in prison.

A life in prison has to be worse punishment than death.

This is a great story from The Times of London, but I wonder. Don't the Brits have prisons with people incarcerated for life?

Posted by: slyness | August 31, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

A lucky day for me yesterday. Attended a live taping of Marian McPartland's show Piano Jazz at the Tanglewood Jazz Festival. Heard Nenna Freelon sing, Mulgrew Miller play, and a cutie I hadn't heard of, Spencer Day, who sang funny sweet songs (I'll try to find the lyrics to his ode to NJ--Last train to New Jersey).

They're celebrating McPartland's 90th birthday through the year and she can barely walk, but boy can she still play! And is still too funny (she said "go smoke pot or something" sending the crowd off at intermission onto the lawn, all these wonderful old New England, '60s lovin' liberals; I'm guessing that injunction won't be broadcast on NPR :-)

Lucky lucky lucky.

Posted by: DNA Girl | August 31, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

And Andrew Sullivan in The Times. I like his analysis:

Posted by: slyness | August 31, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Slyness, I guessing your question about British prisoners and life sentences may have been retorical but it made me curious.

We have a 25 year limit on life sentences, and we do not have sentences imposing more than one life sentence.

So I looked up if Britian was the same - it is not, they have about 50 people on "whole life tariffs - quite interesting system. I cannot find my glasses this morning so it is possible I missed a few details.

Posted by: dmd | August 31, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Aaah, a few more folks stirring. Howdy, all.

Posted by: Bob S. | August 31, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I also looked up the incarceration rates as I knew the US had a higher rate but the results really surprised me - is this ever an issue in elections?

Posted by: dmd | August 31, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

wish I could ride my bike to work

Connecticut Ave or Wisconsin Ave would be an insane commute

there is a bike path from Georgetown to Bethesda, but that goes six miles in the wrong direction first

Posted by: omni | August 31, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Hi, my name is omni. I am the master of off Kit off topic BOoOing. Sheesh

Posted by: omni | August 31, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

New kit?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | August 31, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

New kit?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | August 31, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

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