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Just a thought: It's probably a mistake for Obama to take the Spinal Tap route in the set design for his speech Thursday. (Where's the miniature Stonehenge?)

Back to Hillary's speech: I've reconsidered what I said earlier this morning, here on the A-blog, about Hillary not really endorsing Obama so much as endorsing a Democrat, and have decided that, yes, I was right. (It is important, when you're a famous Arthur Schlesinger Jr.-type "public intellectual" like me, to have the courage to stand up and say, "Yup, I was right.")

Never mind the abundant praise the speech has gotten (see, for example, the AP story). There is no way the Obama folks can be happy with the Clinton drama that hijacked this convention.

One well-connected Democrat told me today, "She's ruining the convention. If you watch the coverage, it's all about Hillary."

Sure, the media are complicit in all this. [See examples from Media Matters.] Journalists love conflict. But it's not like the media invented the internecine struggles of the Democrats. (See Maraniss this morning for a fascinating take on Bill-and-Barack.) Somehow the Obama-Clinton tensions were allowed to fester all the way into convention week.

Here's a loyal Democrat weighing in by email:

"Although I thought she hit the compulsory marks and gave the Obama team all the sound bites they needed, I got the distinct impression that she phrased everything very carefully to ensure that she endorsed the party ticket and Obama as the representative of the ticket rather than Obama the man. I was really hoping that she would dispel all my doubts about her motives and her character by making a passionate plea to embrace Obama and stir some real excitement about his candidacy."

But I know others didn't see it that way -- please weigh in with your thoughts! All viewpoints welcome and cherished! (The Boodle seems to be open for business despite the recent shakiness of Moveable Type.)

[Just in: My friend Mike, in the hall, after listening to the speech: "HRC was tremendous...She had perfect pitch and, albeit tardy, did what was necessary."]

[And here's Chris Chambers: "No matter what you think of her she nailed it tonight."]

Now here's Dave Barry on the Clinton drama:

'It's hard to blame Sen. Clinton for being bitter. Here she is, the smartest human ever, PLUS she spent all those years standing loyally behind Bill Clinton wearing uncomfortable pantyhose (I mean Hillary was, not Bill) (although there are rumors), PLUS she went to the trouble and expense of acquiring a legal residence in New York State so she could be a senator from there, PLUS she assembled a team of nuclear-physicist-grade genius political advisors, PLUS she spent years going around to every dirtbag community in America explaining in detail her 23-point policy solutions for every single problem facing the nation including soybean blight. And after all that, she loses the nomination to a guy who has roughly the same amount of executive governmental experience as Hannah Montana. Hillary is like: ``Are you KIDDING me?'' '

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Oh: HuffPo is all over that Olbermann-Matthews spat last night. Check it out.

By Joel Achenbach  |  August 27, 2008; 10:51 AM ET
 
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I was anonymous on the Matthews quote, NYT link. - Shiloh

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Firefox keeps dropping my name when I preview.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama Speech Stage Resembles Ancient Greek Temple

And I suppose we will have to endure speech comparisons to the Oracle at Delphi from the media.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"... PLUS she spent years going around to every dirtbag community in America explaining in detail her 23-point policy solutions for every single problem facing the nation including soybean blight. And after all that, she loses the nomination to a guy who has roughly the same amount of executive governmental experience as Hannah Montana..."
Uh, it's soybean RUST, not blight (wheat gets that), just so you know...

Posted by: Dmon | August 27, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

No, Loomis, by all means don't ever be forced to do anything you don't want to do. Because, after all, this election is all about you and your exceptionally right up there at the surface sensitive nerve endings.

The rest of the country (and the world with McCain's itchy trigger finger on the nuclear button) can go to h e l l, because you're soooo pissed that Hillary wasn't the nominee. By all means, go sulk and be happy with McCain (whether you vote for him or don't vote at all). Watch him and his party continue to rape Mother Earth (and all the women in/on it).

Because, as we all know, it's all about you.

*yet another expletive string*

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | August 27, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

You're a day late and a dollar short with the Dave barry excerpt, Joel. We posted his entire column in the Boodle a day or two ago, in its entirety.

Upon due consideration I don't think one single piece of punditry and commkentary and all this tea-leaves-reading and entrails-diving has remotely served the common weal or done the public so much as an ounce of good. It is all just blather, blather, blather.

Which isn't to say that some of it might be right; some probably is. But it is just soooooooooo buried in crap it is impossible to detect. And even if detected, it all serves no purpose. I'm going to have reverse my self on forty-some years of training and practice, and suggest all the reporters and pundits all just sit down, shut up, stop writing, stop interviewing people who likewise have no idea what they're talking about except for the promotion of their own agendas, and just watch the damn convention as it unfolds. And then, if necessary, just report on the observable facts. because all this tonnage of analysis and speculation is just pointless, pointless, pointless. Sorry, Joel. (Actually, by not taking any of it very seriously, you're about the only observer worth reading.)

But the Blather Index has just skyrocketed into the stratosphere. It's really totally out of hand and running amok. It is death by relentless learned exegesis.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 27, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"...her 23-point policy solutions..." reminds me of Wilson's "Fourteen Points" at the WWI Armistice meeting in Paris. A French politician, Clemenceau if I remember correctly, exclaimed: "Fourteen Points?" The good Lord only had ten."

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Well, I was Anonymous on the 11:40 in the previous ... er ... boodle. My oh-so-humorous quip following, I think, obscured rather than clarified that.

D'oh!

Posted by: KPage | August 27, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Joel is right. As usual. This convention is disturbingly Clinton-focused. It shouldn't be. I'll say it again, and probably not for the last time: this is an incredibly exciting moment in American politics. I'm going to shout now: THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOMINATING A QUALIFIED, CHARISMATIC, SMART CANDIDATE WHO IS ALSO BLACK. Think about it, folks. I never thought I'd see it. This is wonderful, in the fullest sense of the word. This nomination, and the election, represents not just a change from the Bush administration policies and miasma - important though that is. It also represents a more fundamental change, a signal that things are moving forward. Back in the nineties we would have called it a paradigm shift.

I voted for Hillary in our primary. Given my professional and personal demographic I couldn't do otherwise. Hillary had the same potential for change I refer to above, in a slightly different context, and her potential election was also very exciting. I became disillusioned with her candidacy throughout the remainder of the primary season, but even if I hadn't I'd be supporting Obama now. Hillary and Obama are close to the same on every issue, while McCain isn't even in the same solar system. Hillary and Obama both want to see this country change and move forward, while McCain's working on that bridge to the 20th century. Hillary ran a great fight, despite her campaign, and deserves accolades. She also conceded to Obama and supports his election. As several people have said, this isn't about her and it isn't about me or any single voter. It is time to move on. Let's give the Clintons their due, and focus on the future. The immediate future of the Democratic party is Obama's run for president. That's the story.

Posted by: Ivansmom | August 27, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Watching the convention cover to cover (3-11) on the direct live DNC connection on my PC keeps me above the media fray. With no local TV reception, I must content myself with pundits in print, post-event - or those video snippets posted here and there. I do not miss the blather, because it appears that the media is saying "it's all about us."

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Two points occur to me that, even though there are 15,000 reporters and commentators and analysts covering the convetion

(1) that this convention (as well as the GOP convention, and many primaries and election stuff) is basically pretty self-explanatory. It ain't rocket scinece (a thousand pardons, SciTim). All you have to do is simply sit back and watch it on TV, and the average person is perfectly capable of figuring out what's going on, and why, and how, etc. But all this "help" were getting from Chris and Keith and Rachel and NoDo and Frank and Howie and Chris Cilizza and Pat Buchanan (god forbid) and a thousand other people is like being helped across the street by an entire troop of Boy Scouts grasping at your arms-- when there's nothing wrong with you.

(2) that 15,000 media people aren't doing nearly as good a job as 300 or 400 could do. Seriously.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 27, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Well said, Ivansmom: "Let's give the Clintons their due, and focus on the future. The immediate future of the Democratic party is Obama's run for president. That's the story."

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I could not agree more with the assessment that HRC essentially endorsed being a Democrat, but did not attempt to convince her supporters that Obama is worthy of being at the top of the ticket and that is what she needed to do. It was a very Clintonian message and I do not say that with any degree of admiration. Sigh.

This is part of the baggage that comes with either Clinton these days and I wish that the Democrats were clear of it. I was Bill's biggest supporter, I still believe that his policies were good for the nation. I think HRC has been a good senator and could be an effective advocate for her causes. I just think that they are no longer a positive for the Democrats judging by their actions in the last couple of years (Well, longer than that in Bill's case).

Posted by: Kim | August 27, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Dang it! I hate it when that happens! Why couldn't I have just waited a little while to put my two cents in? Because then I would have just said, "What Ivansmom said!"

Posted by: Kim | August 27, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

great Mudge phrase: "death by relentless learned exegesis"

Posted by: Achenbach | August 27, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

This is a fun list brewing over at cocktail party physics fyi:

http://twistedphysics.typepad.com/cocktail_party_physics/2008/08/the-great-pop-s.html

Posted by: Achenbach | August 27, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Festinger's theory of cognitive dissonance appears to be infectious and carried through the inter-tubes. Self-innoculation is the best preventive medicine.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

hurray Ivansmom (teared up a little here). That is a speech I would love to hear at the convention

Posted by: omni | August 27, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

More hermeneutic, I think. An exegesis is the interpretation and understanding of a text on the basis of the text itself. A hermeneutic is a practical application of a certain method or theory of interpretation, often revolving around the contemporary relevance of the text in question. Clearly, the media engage in hermeneutics.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes, "death by relentless learned exegesis" - brings to mind both law school and some professional experiences since.

Posted by: Ivansmom | August 27, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Important off-Kit breaking news!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/27/AR2008082701829.html?hpid=topnews

And for once, I'm serious! :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 27, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh sent me to Wikipedia for about the third time today:

"People who are involuntarily exposed to information that increases dissonance are likely to discount that information, either by ignoring it, misinterpreting it, or denying it."

LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA
I can't hear you!

Posted by: yellojkt | August 27, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse


Obama Speech Stage Resembles Ancient Greek Temple

Further supporting hermeneutics, from Hermes.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

What Ivansmom said, only I didn't vote for Hillary in the primary. Obama already had me by then.

Saw my first bumpersticker today, may have to have one of these:

This Mama's
For Obama

Posted by: slyness | August 27, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

To Ivansmom -- HUZZAH! HUZZAH!

Absolutely right!

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | August 27, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Will the stadium have fireworks? Balloons dropped from a blimp? A rotating stage? A Buffalo Bill Cody impersonator on horseback?

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | August 27, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Confetti, Dave, seems to be the order of the day. Nothing like Beijing.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Scotty. Good news indeed.

bc's response here to my post on the previous kit is very thoughtful. And, is surrounded by other thoughtful posts about the current tussle for the spotlight defining the inner circle of Democrats who are more equal than others. I am delighted to have the Ablog kit and kaboodle in this election year.

I guess American-US "dynastics" are better in that they might be tending to two generations deep, rather than say the Tudor, then Stuart, then Hapsburg line sorts that span decades plus. About the Kennedys who look to be in third generation with some on deck for the fourth generation, I would say that even at the time of Joe Kennedy the patriarch, anti-Irish (and anti-Catholic) sentiment was very strong. Better if the Kennedys do local and state stuff or non profit....I don't want them in the presidential arena. Let somebody else take turn.

I want to see an Obama win for now and these specific challenges but also for the ages. But, I don't want a Chelsea for Pres future, nor do I want an Obama girls for Pres future. Really.

Posted by: College Parkian | August 27, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

And now if we could only cure autoimmune disease...

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 27, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I am stuck in some extra-dimensional time warp on Firefox (ff hereafter), even after closing and reopening. For example, ff will not reload after 1:11 when a comment from DLD on using ff appeared in ff, but does not appear in IE. Maybe I need to shutdown completely or just give it up.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

CP,
Those Jenna and Barbra twins are pretty smart girls. Maybe one of them will be the first female president. I keep hoping Karenna Gore Schiff will hear the siren call.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 27, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Too confusing. Whatever I post on ff does not appear in IE and vice-versa.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Going dark.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, that gene story sounds about as close to an "instant Nobel prize" as any scientist/researcher could ever get.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 27, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh,
Try using CTL-F5 to force a refresh.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 27, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom is right on the money. Where is the excitement and enthusiasm that is Obama's due?

I am still hoping for an Elizabeth Kucinich candidacy. But perhaps it is time for me to let my dream die.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 27, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks yello, but I did it the old-fashioned way, but DLD's 1:11 still does not appear in ff.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

What's Amy Carter been up to lately?

Posted by: yellojkt | August 27, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a 1:11 from DLD in FF or IE. I just see your cognitive dissonance comment at 1:11. I think something on the WaPo end ate it.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 27, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

And now, DLD's 1:11 advice has been completely lost in both ff and IE. Was it my imagination?

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I'll see your 2:07, yellow and raise two bits.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Oops, yello.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be cool if Obama wears a toga to the acceptance speech considering the Greek temple backdrop? I know bc would like it.

What are they thinking?

And Mudge, the talking heads are getting so annoying. How many ways can one say the same thing. No wonder they have started fighting with each other.

Posted by: eidrib | August 27, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the mention, CP.

I'd add here that as far as the Kennedys go, the American political landscape might look very different now if John Jr. were still alive.

Here's one for some of you to riff on: A flyover of military jets before Obama's acceptance speech (a la a large sporting event)? 'zackly what would that look like?

Robbie Knievel jumping over the stadium on a motorcycle, or a privately-funded steam-powered SkyCycle II?

A flyover of WWI-vintage messenger pigeons? Doves? Inconsolate Hillary Clinton supporters on brooms skywriting "Surrender Obama"? (Sorry for recycling that one, and for the possible offense to Incolsolate Hillarians everywhere)

Scotty, that's great news about "reprogramming" adult cells from one type to another. May start making a list of my preferred cell distribution patterns.

I'm thinking about what I can do with the 80% of my brain cells I'm not using. What could I turn them into... hmmm. Don't need more of *that*... or, those...

A couple more pounds of muscle?
Eyes in the back of my head?

bc

Posted by: bc | August 27, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

BTW Joel, thanks for that link to the book list over at Cocktail Party Physics. I really can't add any to the list, but I am shamelessly stealing it for my own use. So many great books. So little time.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 27, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Maybe McCain will use a Vietnam prison for a backdrop.

Posted by: eidrib | August 27, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

The Greek columns, birdie, are to suggest the neo-classical architecture of DC, think Lincoln Memorial.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh yeah right, but it would be a nice touch. :-)

Posted by: eidrb | August 27, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Just imagine what The New Yorker could do with that image....

Posted by: eidrib | August 27, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The prison camp backdrop would solidify the "noun, verb, POW" sentence structure.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh, like, McCain is POWerful.

Posted by: eidrib | August 27, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

eidrib,
I've seen a (tongue-in-cheek) photoshop mock-up of that concept. Some Rove protegee thinks he has a winner with that storyline. It's approaching self-parody.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 27, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Isn't DLD's 1:11 post on the previous boodle? Or am I missing something?

Posted by: omni | August 27, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain does parade his laurels and it would not surprise me to see him appear in beribboned full dress uniform at some point.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

no doubt, yellojkt. I'm sure it won't happen.

Posted by: eidrib | August 27, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

And the New Yorker depicting Obama in chiton would be an improvement over the previous attire.

omni: Could be. But if so, I may have lost a full day.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the kind words, y'all. Just remember - wonder and excitement. Time for change.

Perhaps if enough of us make enough noise with this message we'll drown out the internicene squabbling. Then we can stand fast, neither chicken out nor quail before the Republican campaign onslaught, duck incoming attacks and finally cook McCain's goose.

Sorry. Really.

Posted by: Ivansmom | August 27, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh - Have been unable to duplicate your problems. FF and IE seem to be working fine here. I would suggest that you may be using the "back" button or function instead of "reload" (or "refresh" or F5). Using the back function will really mess you up, particularly after a preview or submit. That is the best I can come up with.

DLD

Posted by: DLD | August 27, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

re Bill and Hillary...they are a big part of the Democratic party have have been for a long time (so what else is new). It would be ridiculous not to let them speak at the DNC. Get over it folks. After Thursday it will truly be a new ballgame. IMHO.

Posted by: eidrib | August 27, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Yep, my 1:11 is in the last boodle. I saw no "new kit" announcement there and kept going. Maybe I AM missing something? How would I know?

Nobody yelled "First" here either. So, First! Legally, its mine.

DLD

Posted by: DLD | August 27, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I thought Obama planned to ride the Democratic donkey into the stadium Thursay night? All that will be needed for the crowning touch will be "Hosannahs" and palm branches.

Posted by: Loomis | August 27, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

What day is this?

Seriously, omni was right. I responded to you, DLD, in the previous kit in IE and then opened the new kit in FF.

However, FF would not reload ... oh, forget it. I'm apparently not very good at multi-tasking.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Ah! There it is. Achenbach at 12:11PM. Who reads that guy's posts anyway?

DLD

Posted by: DLD | August 27, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Some guy named Achenbach (he rarely boodles) called new kit at 12:11 PM.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 27, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

And then, Loomis, he could give a reprise of William Jennings Bryant's "Cross of Gold" speech.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Hi everyone! I really wish I hadn't heard about the Greek columns and the stadium. It's worrying me. I don't think the DNC understands how Middle America views Obama - there's fear and suspicion mixed in with hope and support. I think they should make every single aspect of the convention and the campaign ... well, conventional! It should, IMHO, resemble every other Democratic convention as much as possible. So that people can reassure themselves that "He's not so different, he's regular." I know some people are going to see the columns and the venue and say "He's putting on airs. Thinks he's some kind of superhero."

Change is good, but one change at a time and with lots of familiar things to go along with.

Posted by: Wheezy | August 27, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't the Last Supper a Passover celebration?

Posted by: Doubting Thomas | August 27, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Oops again. I see someone just said those things, and here, no less.

Posted by: Wheezy | August 27, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

While there is a certain amount of "Obama as Savior" fervor in the air, it doesn't make sense in light of the Greek columns, Loomis. The Temple in Jerusalem was not Greek architecture. To go with Greek columns, it makes more sense to have Obama as Dionysus -- riding an ass, eating grapes, attended by throngs of adoring and enthusiastic nymphs (in the Greek sense of enthusiastic, as in enthusiasmos -- consumed by transports of religious fervor). However, Dionysus was not, I think, viewed as a Savior from anything except water-borne illness and boredom. And virginity.

This would be easier to express if I had italics.

Posted by: StorytellerTim | August 27, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Adding the Aramaic to the Greek and Roman confusion is mixing metaphors by centuries.

The Greek Temple theme is neo-classical DC, the Horatio Greenough half-naked statue of George Washington in the capitol rotunda is dressed in a Greek chiton, not a toga, which is Roman. Pontious Pilate, however much Bill Clinton aspires to the role, was Roman and not Greek.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Ah, glad I cleared that up - I think...and...Second!

Posted by: omni | August 27, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I know it's Pontius Pilate, but when I used Pontious and right-clicked as recommended by DMD, it gave as alternatives: contentious, licentious, etc., so I let it stand.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh Doubting Thomas -- yes, the "Last Supper" was a Pesach seder. Which is why Communion wafers resemble matzot, except that matzoh is regular food that you can eat at any time (not that you'd want to) without committing an inadvertent act of cannibalism, and matzot are not made from diamond-anvil pressed Wonder Bread.

The early Christian Church apparently had a weak grasp of metaphor, hence the dogma of transubstantiation.

(Helpful guide for the Goyim: matzot is plural of matzoh)

But I don't quite see what raised this question in your mind in this particular place, other than the stunning megawattage of assembled human brainpower that the Achenblog attracts.

Posted by: PlainTim | August 27, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

PlainTim, the theology behind transubstanation is more than just "failure to grasp metaphor", considering that Jesus commited miracles, and the vivid understanding of symbolism that existed in the early Catholic church...

But I'll let the remark pass in the interests of civil harmony, if you watch your step in assuming that because they were early, they were slipshod in their reasoning.


Posted by: Wilbrod | August 27, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Here's a pitcher of the O Temple. Looks very Lincolmemorialesque, me think. Hoping for a "I have a dream" moment?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/08/the_temple_of_obama_1.asp

Posted by: shrieking denizen | August 27, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for that info on matzot, PlainTim. In my church we use matzot for communion. I like the connection.

The doctrine of transubstantiation is particular to the Roman Catholic Church, I think.

Posted by: slyness | August 27, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

So 'Pontious Pilates' roughly translates to 'licentious gymnastics' Shiloh?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | August 27, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Next we will be debating if Maud'Dib really was the Kwizatz Haderach.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Lead to gold?

In Rome?

What?

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 27, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

An excellent post-olympiad translation, Shriek.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm reserving judgment on that set until we see it in action. Television changes how things look. Besides, you can't but spit in downtown DC and not hit a Greek column. (Not that I am advocating spitting - which is a filthy habit.)

As I said earlier, the convention really is like a revival meeting. The idea is to get people worked up and enthusiastic.

And while things might sometimes seem a bit over-the-top, this is a truly historic moment. A certain amount of artistic hyperbole is forgivable.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 27, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh - do not speak of such things lest the worms be roused.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 27, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

While the gaze of the Boodle is fixed on: (Choose one)

Drama
Theater
Circus
Spectacle

unfolding in Denver, a lone but heroic flyer sputters around the sky. He carefully watches the Evil One's kennels.
The world can watch Denver in peace as long as the Lone Aviahoochie keeps the Evil One's dogs of war in sight.

Posted by: Brag | August 27, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

RD: Just keep a thumper handy.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

We're talking about diamonds and tools and worms and licentious gymnastics again?

What is it about Clinton related noodles?

Posted by: DNA Girl | August 27, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Ack!
SCC: Boodles! Clinton related boodles.
Oh forget it!

Posted by: DNA Girl | August 27, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Since we don't have visuals of the Denver setscape, it's hard to know if the temple will be more Greek or Roman. The copy in the link that Joel provided only says that the set will resemble a Greek temple. Will the columns be Ionic, Doric, or Corinthian, or a composite? Will there be pilasters and will the columns be monopteral or dipteral? Will Obama stand in the absis or the cella? I know, waaaayyy too much time for me in art history classes.

Seriously, is it too late to call Zhang Yimou for a redo?

I had to laugh when Frank Rich wrote that he thought Obama had jumped the shark when Barack pulled out the Obamacized Presidential Seal. Lanky has such strange visual tastes, and what's proposed sounds like a throwback to the first century B.C., let alone the 20th century. I thought Joel was kidding about this set design, like Dick Cheney and the spotted owl, but the link proves otherwise.

I'm sorely tempted to pull out Gore Vidal's essay titled "The Holy Family" and his mention of the male godhead political figure--whether the label be Osiris, Adonis, or Christ. My husband went so far as to suggest that Obama arrive in a toga.

*rubbing my hands...Thursday night ought to be great fun*

Posted by: Loomis | August 27, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Noodles in matzot ball soup is okay with me, DNA girl.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

If it's okay to call Obama Lanky is it okay to call Hillary Hippy?

Just askin'

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

From Wikipedia on "real presence" in Eucharist.Different understandings
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//Roman Catholic and Orthodox Christians see the Real Presence in terms not of a physical or "carnal" presence, but of transubstantiation/metousiosis.[1] Anglicans argue for contentment with the mode of objective presence to remain a mystery. Lutherans expound a presence "in, with and under the forms" of bread and wine. Methodists postulate the par excellence presence as being a "Holy Mystery." Reformed Protestant views instead speak of a "spiritual" real presence and stress that Holy Communion is a "spiritual feeding." Certain other Protestant traditions (for instance, Baptists and contemporary evangelicals) simply reject outright the doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.//END QUOTE

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CommentaryTim,

Wonderbread will not WORK because the host, like matzah, is unleavened bread.

Believe me, when we played "Mass" deep in the back yard away from the prying eyes of parents, we KNEW that smashed Wonderbread did not fit the bill. Neither did the multi-colored Necco wafers we liked best.


Posted by: College Parkian | August 27, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Chiton, Loomis, chiton. Pay attention.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

*quickly thumbing through my FAA handbooks and Army Air Corps manuals searching (in vain) for "Aviahoochie, Lone"*

*sounds vaguely dirty...but maybe not*

*although wondering if it doesn't tie in somehow to yesterday's discussion of surgical issues; perhaps I'm looking in the wrong manuals*

Am leaving early today, Boodle, to attend a birthday dinner (in my own honor). So behave yourselves. I know how bawdy you guys get sometimes.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 27, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Boodle's noodles?

DLD

Posted by: DLD | August 27, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

As usual, just jumping in!

Given the perfect clarity Hillary Clinton brought to her speech regarding what the stakes are and her unqualified endorsement of Obama's candidacy why does it matter that she didn't offer a personal endorsement? eidrib is right. Get over it. RDP's right about how unpersuasive her doing so would have been, and who can forget Obama's remark about how she was likeable enough?

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/hillarys-wake-up-call/?hp

Let's think back to when conventions became . . . conventional. Up to the late 60s, weren't they fractious as a rule, roll calls after roll calls, votes after vote? How about the Kennedy dramas throughout the years?

I imagine when Senator Obama arrives at the convention that he'll receive his due, too.

Posted by: dbG | August 27, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Don't make me call my historian ex-husband in here to lecture! :-)

Posted by: dbG | August 27, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Many happy returns of the day, Mudge, you old salty dog you. Never a Cur, however, no way, no how. Tis your day. Be feted well.

This just in from the Chronicle of Higher Education:
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/An analysis released today by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics found college professors and other educators holding strong as the top donors to Mr. Obama’s campaign. Continuing a trend noted last year, educators donated at least $2.3-million to the Obama campaign in June and July, surpassed only by lawyers and retirees, the group reported. Education-industry donors are typically dominated by professors and other college employees, it said.// END QUOTE

Link to open access blog portion of Chronicle:
http://chronicle.com/blogs/election/index.php?id=2355&utm_source=pm&utm_medium=en

Posted by: College Parkian | August 27, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Someone mention diamonds?
I've posted this just before the new Kit.

Diamonds--you see them on the cover of my book. You read about them when you go under the cover and practice undercover reading.

The book hasn't been banned, yet!

Posted by: Braguine | August 27, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Nihil obstat #1, Brag, but you'll need two for the Imprimi potest.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Re-runs of the DNC convention already. Mark Warner is delivering his keynote address again as I write. Maybe he'll do better this time.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Lone Aviahoochie

Is that where a women takes her Venus Butterfly to the restroom while flying over Denver.

Dang...I've such a dirty mind

I blame it on yesterday

Posted by: omni | August 27, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Oh, dear...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/26/AR2008082603481.html?hpid=features1&hpv=national

FBFW forever.

DLD

Posted by: DLD | August 27, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Popping in before I go clean yet something else...the new/old house is a giant dustball, I don't have a bathroom with both a working shower *and* a working sink, there's no oven in the kitchen, but Dear Child is very happy, so all is right in the world.

Tried to play boodle catch-up, with only limited success (I run like a girl), but could kiss FTB, RD, S'Tim and CP for their posts. I love this place.

Yes, Loomis, Thursday night will be fun...the Redskins play the Giants at 7. And I have cable service. (BTW, the hand rubbing conjures the image of Margaret Hamilton.)

About the convention...there's a lot of platform construction and bridge building going on in the back rooms. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

Have a happy day all!

Posted by: LostInThought | August 27, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

To be really inclusive and non-denominational, it's not right to omit a statue of Ganesh. A little problematic image-wise since he has a huge blue elephant head. Some other party already has the trademark on that. Better just stick to riding an @ss with pharaohnically dressed slave boys waving palm fronds. Could we sneak maybe just one or two pre-Columbian fertility idols?

Posted by: yellojkt | August 27, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

This kit's (that'd be 4:40 PM EST at the moment)comments are bringing tears to my eyes. So funny. So many over the toppers. We are all getting punchy.

Posted by: eirdrib | August 27, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Warner actually sounds a lot better today. It may have been the late hour last night.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Warner was actually quite stirring at the end of his speech. I think it just paled last night in the company of so much energy displayed by Kucinich, Schweitzer and Clinton.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Seven minutes to opening gavel. Kitchen duty calls, will tune back in here later. Later.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Flying solo over Denver? Never heard it called that before. Do all the randier conventioneers automatically get inducted into the Mile High Club even if they remain earthbound?

Just curious.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 27, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I really liked Schweitzer's speech. I didn't get to see it, but I heard it on the radio. He was really making the case with his talk of petro-dictators and such.

I haven't been watching too much of the convention, but I did happen to catch a segment of Matthews and Olbermann (on kit!)
I really had to laugh. Matthews can barely bring himself to look at Olbermann. I also caught part of Morning Joe with David Schuster on...they reminded me of Jerry and Newman on Seinfeld. They each had sort of a sneery thing going on when they greeted each other. JA's right, there's some serious feudin' happening on MSNBC!

Posted by: Kim | August 27, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"Get Ready, 'cause here I come," followed by "Dancing in the Streets" are the opening musical interludes. I've notice the convention is heavy on R&D, Soul and Mowtown tunes. Did Obama pick the music?

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama's tastes include Jay-Z, Earth Wind & Fire, and Temptations.

http://dowdreport.blogspot.com/2008/04/rap-star-obama-z.html

Rumor has it that right after the vote tally, the arena will erupt with Jay-Z himself freestyling "99 Problems" live.

Look up the lyrics. Go ahead. I dare you.

Posted by: Mo MoDo | August 27, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Motown at the Dem convention? I wonder what my mother-in-law will be thinking...

Posted by: PlainTim | August 27, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Mwaaaa back to ya, Lost in Thought. Appreciate the kudos.

I am beside myself with the thought that there are actually women who really actually rather that the world blow up than vote for someone who is in complete agreement with women's rights. 'Cause, their feelings are hurt that their favorite didn't get nominated. Those are the stakes, folks.

Now I get to have my mind explode again as I continue to analyze an opposing brief (the guy can't write and clearly can't read). It's really enervating, but I can't wait to start writing my reply (rubbing hands -- but not to Loomis' tune).

I sure wish folks would grow up (but I ain't gonna hold my breath, you know?).

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | August 27, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I'll have to read the text of Gov. Warner's speech, or link to a video. I started to doze when he began to speak, and caught bits and pieces of it, but didn't catch the end as I had to tend to the dogs. I did catch Sen. Clinton's speech. I felt like she made the case in the context of urging her delegates to support Sen. Obama's candidacy, and began to hear the contrasts between the Democratic policies and the train wreck that has been the legacy of the present administration. I'm eager to hear more of this contrast when Sen. Biden and Pres. Clinton speak this evening. Thanks for your earlier post, IM. It was a guide to bridge building and, hopefully, the change in direction our country so desperately needs.

Posted by: jack | August 27, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

This is a less than promising storm track. When I saw this yesterday, the tracking models had the storm heading toward Mexico. OTOH, storm tracking models aren't perfect.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/203214.shtml?5day#contents

Posted by: jack | August 27, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the credit for providing useful right click information, but it was not I, I am the regular provider of off topic links and useless information/commentary. :-)

CP, I had those Necco wafers the other day, a store down the street from my office sells them, they remind me of my childhood and pretending to receive communion from my sister.

A large difference from our political conventions here, at a really big one we might have a podium.

Posted by: dmd | August 27, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I guess Greek columns are better than goal posts since it is a football stadium. They had to come up with something presidential-like. I'll reserve further judgement til after the event.

Laughter is still the best medicine for all ailments.

Posted by: eidrib | August 27, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh my DMD, we too. From the Necco website:
BEGIN QUOTE
In addition, creative NECCO Wafer fans have invented various additional uses for Necco Wafers over the years. They have been used as poker chips, for practice before a first communion and as bulls-eyes at target ranges. If only Oliver Chase could have known. END QUOTE

Mr. Chase invented them. Communion practice! That is what we should have claimed. I can still see C. Murphy as the priest with a tea towel around his neck for a stole. My twin brothers were frogmarched into playing altars boys -- a matched set, ya know. "Father Murphy" would say, "Candy of Christ." to us.

Fast forward to college. I wore an authentic Carmelite habit in a a play, and a more stylized habit in the opera by Polenc: the haunting Dialogue de Carmelites, set in the French terrors. Yes, we had a guillotine on the stage for the finale.

Posted by: College Parkian | August 27, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Bertrand Russell and Alfred North Whitehead wrote "Principia Mathematica" titled in tribute, and reference to, "Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica" by Isaac Newton. I read Russell & Whitehead's when 13 and thought it a failure. Later I learned Gödel agreed. Funny that these deep things are referenced here today. (via Cocktail party Physics) I wrote a new blogpost on these Very Deep Matters earlier today. I guess I will go ahead and post it over there now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principia_Mathematica

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophi%C3%A6_Naturalis_Principia_Mathematica

Posted by: Jumper | August 27, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

You can go home now.
It's all over but the shouting

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Wow. What an exciting moment to witness. And kudos to Hillary Clinton for pulling it off in a classy way. As annoyed as I have been with her (although part of this is just spill over frustration with some of her more crazed supporters) I feel that she acquitted herself well this week. And I am hopeful Bill will as well.

And then, at long last, it will all be about Obama.

Or, as I like to think about it, my future boss.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 27, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Now that Obama has been officially nominated, it's time for this Web site to weigh in and make it hyper-official: http://www.peteyandpetunia.com/VoteHere/VoteHere.htm

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 27, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh, I first I thought you were talking about the marine mollusks. *w* The chiton. From which the Romans derived tunica (not the fish). Think Obama will don a himation?

Thanks for the laugh.

Posted by: Loomis | August 27, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama can don a gladiator costume for all I care. If it makes people happy he can be carried into the auditorium by a phalanx of redheaded virgins.

This is all just silliness anyway.

The important thing is that, for the first time in a long, long while, there is a candidate that I both find intellectually satisfying and emotionally inspiring. This is a fellow for whom I would gladly stand in line for two hours to shake hands with *and* be willing to discuss Pakistani stability. That is no mean feat.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 27, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Er, that's YOUR fanasty that you just typed out, RD. No judgment, but were ya sure you wanted the whole world to know?

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 27, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I was simply describing the most egregious honor I could imagine.

Sure beats the heck out of palm fronds.

But please, let's not miss the point. An exciting historic event is unfolding. To get wrapped up in pettiness is unseemly and small.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 27, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

OK, Bill just accomplished that very nicely.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 27, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Yes! Very nicely. RD, as usual, is right. It's a very exciting moment and definitely a time for pulling together.

I just got back from back to school night for my high schoolers, so it's time to pour a little chardonnay and be in the moment!

Also, news flash..."W" had columns at his 2004 convention. How does Yoki say it?

BHHHWWWAAAAAAAAA!

Posted by: Kim | August 27, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Home run. He's only halfway into it, and it's already all it ever needed to be. A lot of people may not believe a word of what he's saying-- but that just. does. not. matter.

This is the speech it needed to be, in spades.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 27, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Also, I would definitely stand in line for 2 hours to meet him. Only I would want to discuss universal health care!

Posted by: Kim | August 27, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Count me in for a serious discussion on how to make delivery of government services professional, competent, and efficient.

Posted by: slyness | August 27, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Call the fire dept., Bill's burning down the house.

Posted by: Boko999 | August 27, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Tears in my eyes...

Posted by: slyness | August 27, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Three Hundred Sixty Five Degrees...what a great speech.

Posted by: jack | August 27, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

When you hear a speach like that, do you begin to wonder about your term limits?

Wow Just Wow. How would you like to be John Kerry following that.

Posted by: dmd | August 27, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I caught the tail end of that speech and it was awesome.Way to go Bill C.

Kerry should just say.....What Bill said.

My question is what kind of things are going on in the back rooms?

Posted by: greenwithenvy | August 27, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Kerry has squared up and is going for the fences as well.

Posted by: jack | August 27, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

It might have been Clinton's best speech ever -- perfectly delivered, great lines, didn't go on too long. Guy's pretty good at this stuff, huh.

Posted by: Achenbach | August 27, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Agreed on all points, Joel. And it makes silly all that mindless chatter up until tonight about whether Bill and/or Hillary would do what they had to do, or not. There was never a serious question about what they were going to do.

I think one of the best things about that speech was I didn't sense even a moment of insincerity in it. It sounded to me like he believed every word of it. (And no reason he shouldn't.)

Kerry did pretty well, too.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 27, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Yep. Both the Clintons did good. I was foolish to be worried. They are pros. Besides, they have two very powerful motivations. First, I have no doubt that they both honestly feel that Obama would be a vastly better President than McCain. Second, I can only surmise that they desperately do not want to be blamed if Obama should lose.


Posted by: RD Padouk | August 27, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I'd add a third point, Padouk: that one or both of them want some sort of major job in the Obama administration (and I don't have any problem with that, if true). And they aren't going to get any kind of job without first demonstrating 100% support.

Yes, I tend to agree with all the commentary that so far, the convention has been "all about the Clintons." I'm just not convinced that's such a bad thing. If this is what it takes to get a united, energized party, then why the hell NOT give the Clintons two nights? I'd do it, and consider it a pretty reasonable price to pay.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 27, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I haven't seen it, but the line saying with Joe Biden on board, Obama is completely ready to be president is good stuff.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 27, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Darn, I had to get my hair done (one does NOT miss a hair appointment) and missed all but the last bit of Clinton's speech. My husband said it wasn't as fiery as Hillary's but from A-blog comments sounds as if he got the job done.

Alrighhhhht.

Posted by: eidrib | August 27, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

If you aren't watching MSNBC, you oughta be. If Matthews made an ass of himself last night, he just resurrected himself a moment ago with a classic put-down of this madman Republican Mike Murphy who just claimed he suspected the Clintons were still going to secretly vote for McCain. And Matthews asked him (paraphrasing): "Is there anywhere in America where you could find sane people who would agree with you?"

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 27, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Agree, Curmudgeon..the Clintons are a solid part of the D party and must be given their due. Obama is tasked with carrying the D's to the finish line.

Posted by: eidrib | August 27, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, you know what Bob Kerrey said about Bill Clinton - he's an uncommonly good liar - ha! No, I thought it was a great speech, much better and Barack-focused than I thought it would be.

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 27, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

That could be very well true, ml; I may not disagree at all. But he never lets you see it, or even catch a whiff of it.

I liked the line in Clinton's speech that "the world has always been impressed with the power of America's example, not the example of its power." I think we'll be hearing that a lot.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 27, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton's speech left me - speechless.

Wow.

The Spielberg video was quite moving, too.

Not sure how Biden is supposed to follow those acts.

He *could* tell the joke about the Aristocrats... that would be memorable, but I don't think it would be helpful.

bc

Posted by: bc | August 27, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

bc, let me show you how a speech leaves one speechless...

Posted by: omni | August 27, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: omni | August 27, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Hah!!! Now THAT'S how you take a night that belongs to the Clintons and turn it into a night that belongs to Obama!!!! Tremendous showmanship.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 27, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Well, Biden didn't do "the Aristocrats," but he did well enough.

That "surprise" after Biden's speech looked about as spontaneous as the big blown kiss at the end of "The Dating Game."

And roughly equivalent, now that I think about it.

G'night, all.

bc

Posted by: bc | August 27, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I missed the majority of Sen. Biden's speech. Regardless, the presentations tonight have the train rollin'. All night long. With a heave and a ho...

Posted by: jack | August 27, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Forgive me, I'm going to post a looonngg letter from Talkleft http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/8/27/153144/731
instead of just a link. It was written by a DC attorney:

An Open Letter to Unhappy Supporters of Hillary Clinton

As a long-time supporter of Barack Obama – and a former official in the Clinton Administration – I ask you to step back and look at what you are doing.

Every time a Clinton supporter goes on network television and attacks Obama it feeds the story line that the right wing smear machine is
pushing and that the lapdog media is swallowing.

No one denies that you are entitled to deep and personal feelings of disappointment at the outcome of the primary campaign. There’s much to regret not only in the fact that Hillary Clinton lost but in the way she was treated by the media. Believe me, if Barack had been defeated, I and his other supporters would probably have felt the same way.

But every election has a winner and a loser. As deep as her own pain must be Hillary Clinton demonstrated that she can put it behind her. You should do the same – you MUST do the same – for the sake of the Democratic Party and the nation. Work to change the rules; work to lessen the influence of misogyny on our politics; work to keep shattering the glass ceiling. But don’t let John McCain become president.

If you truly believe America would be better off with four or eight more years of a Republican administration, then I suppose you should vote for McCain.

But if you do, or if you sit on your hands in this election, don’t complain about tax breaks for the rich and tax burdens on the poor.

Don’t complain about American servicemen and women dying in Iraq and maybe Iran, Georgia or wherever.

Don’t complain about detention, torture, and surveillance.

Don’t complain about judges who take away a woman’s right to choose and a worker’s right to unionize.

Don’t complain about environmental degradation and giveaways to mining and oil companies.

Don’t complain about an energy policy that takes money out of the pockets of hard-working Americans and gives it to Russian oligarchs and states that finance terrorism.

Don’t complain about a stagnant economy with growing inequality.

Don’t complain about our broken health care system.

Because you will have had your chance to do something about these issues – and walked away from it.

Santayana famously said that those “who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

In 1968 Democrats angry over the war deserted Hubert Humphrey – and we got Richard Nixon.

In 2000, disaffected Democrats voted for Ralph Nader – and we got George W. Bush.

Please – remember the past. Don’t make us repeat it.

Posted by: Wheezy | August 27, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

John Kerry got me fired up. Who'd have thunk it? My fave.

Posted by: Jumper | August 27, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Jumper, I was fired up by John Kerry. "Patriotism is not love of power"

Does it get any clearer than that?

Posted by: Kim | August 27, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

A long 8 hours of gavel to gavel and it was great. I even wrote down the floor vote count as it led to Hillary's appearance. The first of several grand gestures of the day. The staging, California passes, Illinois passes, New Mexico yields to Illinois, Illinois yields to New York, Hillary comes to the floor, was classic convention theater.

After back boodling, I first want to say to LindaLoo that if Obama elects to wear a himation it will have a big letter "S" in the traditional superhero colors.

Next, it has long been my feeling that Bill Clinton would like to follow in the ex-president footsteps of William Howard Taft, and that could be possible with a 60 vote democratic majority in the senate, or he could demur and Hillary could get the seat. The art of the deal was not invented by Donald Trump.

Finally, with apologies to Eugene O'Neill and the Bard, it has been a long day's journey into this good night. Gone dark.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 27, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I heard about the roll call on my drive home, and thought it sounded great. Maybe I can catch the rerun on C-SPAN - Colbert King says it was worth watching:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2008/08/_ever_since_the_smoke-filled.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 27, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

We got rain in west by god and all the frogs are happy, including this one....ribbit.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | August 28, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like I missed one heckuva set of speeches last night. *SIGH*

What's this wet stuff coming out of the sky??? :-O

Where's my umbrella?

*sure-I-don't-want-a-drought-but-walking-to-the-train-in-the-rain-should-mainly-be-done-in-Spain-or-something Grover waves*

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 28, 2008 5:13 AM | Report abuse

Last night as they were counting down to Clinton I decided I just had better things to do than watch a lecherous windbag brush up on his Boys State oratory. Besides I couldn't bear to watch Matthews's combover fly in the wind anymore.

I'm glad for all you Obamamaniacs that are getting all pumped up over The Lanky One and how he's going to do right by Ms Pantsuits and maybe even throw The Big Dog a bone so he doesn't have to spend all his time in skyboxes with billionaires and their girlfriends, but the prize you need to keep your eye on is getting General Chimpy and his minions out of the White House.

The Democrats have been pitched the fattest slowest meatball since Nixon went into the plumbing business. If you can't knock this one out of the park, it's time to hang up the cleats.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 28, 2008 6:01 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Hey, Scotty, good to see you're up. Cassandra can't be far behind, and I think I hear somebody over in Brag's hangar about to fire up his SPAD. Just a very light drizzle here, nuthin' significant.

I don't like the idea of Gustav pointed toward Nawlins, though.

Ruth Marcus has two interesting columns in the expanded op-ed realm today.

McCain will announce tomorrow, but I bet anything it leaks tonight -- during the big Obama speech.

Gotta run. More later.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 28, 2008 6:06 AM | Report abuse

Morning all.

Mudge, you may be right that the Clintons might be angling for part of the action. But Hillary already has a day job that she is pretty good at. And as Ted Kennedy showed, the Senate can be a pretty good career path. Now Bill I can see in some role. Of course, he might have to cut back on his speaking schedule. And I get the feeling he rather likes giving speeches.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 28, 2008 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Good morning Boodle!
A light mist gives the DC jungle canopy a ghostly appearance. The Lone Aviahoochie keeps his machine close to the treetops. There is faint but hysterical yapping from the Evil One's kennels.

Listened to the roll call last night and was impressed by La Clinton's showmanship.

Have a great day everyone.

Posted by: Brag | August 28, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning, morning, friends. Bill Clinton's speech last night was perfect. No matter what one thinks of Bill, he knows how to talk.

And Ivansmom, you are correct. I was hoping Hillary Clinton would go all the way, but that fiasco in South Carolina killed it for me. I don't know what it is about South Carolina, but candidates go there and turn into something totally unknown. Maybe it's the water?

Today is school day for the g-girl and I'm going to try and wish her God's speed. I get my hearing-aid fix today or a loaner, so it's all good. Going to call those grandsons when they get out of school. If I had a decent car, I'd go to Raleigh today.

I got in late last night, the only reason I saw the speech. Wednesday is always a busy day, but had more on the dance card than usual.
A young man was shot and killed in SC this week. He was in his twenties. I used to keep him when he was in elementary school while his mother worked. It hit me hard. I went to visit his mother, but she was tied up on the phone, so I told her I would be back. I will try to get by there today. I doubt she has insurance to bury him, which makes it even sadder.

Have a good day, folks. The rain is gone, but it is so humid. My back feels like someone took a sledgehammer and beat me. I don't want to take pain medication because it makes me sleepy, but may have to submit.

Slyness, Martooni, Scotty, get crackin. Morning to all.*waving*

Mudge, you are so right in your assessment of all this Clinton-Obama thing. And I laughed out loud at your comment about Chris Matthews and the Repub. Did Chris Matthews mention Hillary? The man never has a show where he doesn't mention Hillary Clinton.

Time to swim.

Posted by: cassandra s | August 28, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all. And I do mean goooood morning. It's a new day in America!

What yello said.

Scotty, take the umbrella and the wellies, you'll need them both. It's just amazing what up to eleven inches of rain will do in an area in exceptional drought.

We had flooding all over the place around here yesterday morning. It was a mess and the fire department ran itself crazy all day. I'm glad we've sorta figured it out and are in process of stream restoration, clearing out development in flood plains, etc. Messing with Mother Nature just gets us in troouble.

Posted by: slyness | August 28, 2008 7:08 AM | Report abuse

I’m happy that you are getting much needed rain Slyness. I too am feeling more positive this morning, although I wish Biden had mentioned Gitmo, torture and the gutting of the Constitution. We saw more Obama stickers than McCain stickers in Maine, if that means anything.

I sure hope the Dems win and can do something about health insurance. Daughter #2 is now allowed to use a cane or one crutch if she’s wearing her brace. But she needs ‘gait training’ and has used up her physical therapy allowance. She is fortunate that she has cousins who are PT’s and family that can help with payments, but what if that weren’t the case?

Two very busy days ahead - why is it that a few days off results in double that in work to complete. Looking forward to the weekend for getting caught up with everything.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | August 28, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

'Mudge, I hope we see some deviation in Gustav's track, too.

Perhaps Brag can strap a couple of tanks of silver iodide on the SPAD and make a pass or two in front o' that wee bit o' wind?

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 28, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

*SIGH*

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/27/abc_new_producer_arrested.html

Even if the person's associated with Brian Ross, this is still unacceptable.

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 28, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

I loved Bill's speech. I loved the endless cheering ... the crowd was going wild not just for the man, but for the party and all of our hopes. It was electrifying!

I especially loved how Bill handled the yellers who would NOT be hushed. "I love this" ... and then that PERFECT little laugh! You can't act that. He was making just a little fun of himself. Of course we adore that guy.

Kerry's speech was even better. His comparison of Senator McCain and Candidate McCain ... FREAKIN' BRILLIANT!

I am soooo pumped!

Got a phone call I couldn't dismiss, so I missed Biden's talk. Will have to surf to find a vid I can watch at work. (YouTube blocked, dang it all.)

Go Obama! Go Democrats!

Posted by: KPage | August 28, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

New Kit!

Posted by: shrieking denizen | August 28, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

"How do we know, when the tanker pulls into port, where the oil originally came from? It's not like it's a different flavor or has a stamp marked Iran"

What a fantastic idea if it were logistically feasible. It'd be great to see "this oil purchased from" notices at that pump or printed on receipts, with a breakdown of a given pump's oil sources. It's certainly in the spirit of what authors of "Nudge" have advocated, and apparently they've had some influence on Obama's policy proposals.

Posted by: John | August 29, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

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