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Zogby, and President Dukakis

There's a new poll showing McCain beating Obama by 5 points. Sharp reversal from a month ago. We should ask President Dukakis what he thinks about it.

I spotted him recently in Maine: He was strolling through the fishing village, his wife at his side. He looked relaxed, healthy, happy. I had my camera at the ready, but why bother a guy who is enjoying a sunny vacation morning?

Though I was tempted to say, "Governor, just think, exactly 20 years ago you were up 18 points!"

I don't think polls are meaningless by any means. One of the best things journalists can do is ask voters what they think. A poll is an aggregation of person-on-the-street interviews. But August polls don't have Constitutional standing. The only poll that counts is Nov. 4 and there's a lot of time and a lot of events (conventions, debates) between now and then.

One thing I wonder about is to what extent the undecided voters are truly undecided. It may be that there aren't actually many genuine "swing" voters anymore -- and even people who say they're still making up their minds are just deluding themselves. This election will likely be very close in the polls right up to Nov. 4, and the winner will be the candidate who turns likely voters into actual voters.

Punditry is a dangerous business: Lots of the chatterers thought Obama's foreign trip was a smashing success, but it may simply have teed him up for McCain to take a big whack at him as a celebrity more than a leader. The last few days, meanwhile, we've heard that McCain did much better than Obama at the Saddleback Church forum, but who knows, maybe even a performance viewed as weak by the pundit class nevertheless will advance Obama's goal of becoming a more familiar presence to voters.

But who knows? It's all guesswork until they count the ballots, and we can say, conclusively, that we need a recount and protracted legal battle going all the way to the Supreme Court.

[Resolved: 1988 was the first 21st Century campaign, dominated by wedge issues, attack ads, media manipulation. Discuss.]


[Random Maine picture.]

By Joel Achenbach  |  August 20, 2008; 9:06 AM ET
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Found a nice spot....wahoooo!!!

Posted by: greenwithenvy | August 20, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

joel, end of paragraph 5: who turns...

Posted by: L.A. lurker | August 20, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all. Late again and I miss lotsa kits. I like the premise that 1988 was the first 21st Century campaign. I always thought Dukakis's main campaign problem was that he had a bunch of Harvard folks running it. While they had and still have my great respect, and several turned out to be pretty savvy political operators, that campaign just never seemed to know how to respond to its opponent, led by the Strategist of Evil (what did they used to call Lee Atwater anyway?).

Regarding veep choices: I'm not excited by Biden, but whatever. I just think it is a terrible idea for a presidential candidate to pick a veep based on wanting to carry a single state (Indiana? Virginia?). Bayh, Kaine, etc. may be well known in their own states or regions but the rest of us have no particular reason to vote for them. There's no hook. At least Biden or Richardson have national profiles.

And Mudge, I thought David Boren, University of Oklahoma president and former Senator and OK governor, was going to be secretary of state. But maybe that was ambassador to the Court of St. James.

Loomis, I'm glad to hear the good news about your husband.

RD, do you have to wear a tie two days in a row? Do you have two ties?

Posted by: Ivansmom | August 20, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I believe RDP has two ties. And I believe they both have a theme based on apples or bananas or something like that...

Yes, RDP is a two-tie, fruit-tie kinda guy.

*quickly placing shrink wrap over the fax to protect it from the oncoming deluge of rotten tomatoes*


Posted by: Scottynuke | August 20, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Joel, I think you are absolutely correct that the notion of the "undecided voter" is kind of a myth. Although the pollsters would doubtless deny it, I suspect that the margin of error is a whole lot greater than what the pollsters believe. As I have said before, polls represent the stated opinions of people willing to take polls. And those who do answer might fib. It's like the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applied to politics.

My guess is that many of these "swing voters" have already settled on a candidate. Again stressing that this is a guess, I believe that a huge number of these voters are fixating on the race/age thing. Either they aren't going to vote for Obama because he isn't white, or they aren't going to vote for McCain because he isn't young.

And then there is also the wild card group who won't vote for either because neither one is Hillary.

None of these biases are likely to evaporate come the cool of Autumn. Which is not to say that if the election were to be held tomorrow the results would be the same as on 4 November. But what might change between now and then isn't so much the composition of the total electorate, but the relative proportion of each faction who will actually show up.

And this motivation to vote might very well change based on such factors as changes in the economy and world events. (As well, I fear, as the weather and if anything good might be on television that evening.)

In other words, and not for the first time, the winner may very well be the one who can better get his supporters to show up.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 20, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Scottynuke - I am shocked at you. I do not have fruit ties. That would be silly. The tie I wore yesterday has little turtles on it, and the one I am wearing today has little fishies.

But tomorrow - the third and final day of this gab-a-thon - I am breaking out my ultra-cool tie. The one that contains the same kind of ink found in American Currency, It looks greenish from one direction, and purplish from another direction.

I am hoping that this will distract the audience during my briefing sufficiently that they will not pay enough attention to what I am saying to ask difficult question.

Now I must return to an overcrowded conference room for an afternoon of joy.

Let's just hope the donuts hold out.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 20, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Also - I think Joel has a good point that 1988 represented a sea change in presidential politics - what with Willie Horton and all - but I think there were lots of changes in earlier campaigns that led the way. For example, Nixon's campaign in 1968 was the one that started to market the candidate as a product.

And let's not forget that nasty slugfest between Jefferson and Adams.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 20, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what McCain's position is on paddling.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 20, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

You have to be very careful if you're thinking about wearing two ties. Sudden death over-tie is quite common.

Posted by: SonofCarl | August 20, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

RD, you're allowing time for questions? That's just asking for trouble. Just tell people you're going to allow time for questions, then talk so long that the time runs out. Say you'll be available at the break or after you're done, then leave.

Those sound like fine ties.

Posted by: Ivansmom | August 20, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Now now, SoC, let's not become tie fighters...

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 20, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Before I head back in to the meeting, I must apologize to Joel, not for the first time, that a lot of what I babbled about is just what he said in the kit.

Sometimes it is hard to make reasonable comments when so many of the real smart thoughts have already been expressed by Joel.

Which probably helps explain a lot.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 20, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Haven't been able to catch up fully with the boodle.

Think there are less "swing" voters than the polls are indicating. The contrast between each contender at the top of the ticket is so obvious that I don't think the VP choice will have very much impact unless an "Eagleton" type mistake is made, but I don't think there's much chance of that happening. (And I didn't think there was anything wrong with Tom Eagleton--and I was definitely a Nixon/loyal Republican back then. I thought the treatment he received from all sides was shabby--parties, press, etc.)

And, yes, the only poll that counts is the one on the fourth of November.

As for me I am decided and will vote for Senator Obama no matter his second in command choice. Biden will be good--provided he remembers to keep his statements pithy and in sync with the leader's, even if his private opinion differs on an issue. I think he has the gravitas to also give wise advice to Obama but will keep it behind closed doors when he does disagree.

I thought this was going to be a quiet August work wise--but it's not working out that way. Haven't had a non-holiday day off since March 18th and it was only about forty seven degrees at 7:00 this a.m. in New Haven.

Wish I was visiting DC--at least your temp seems a little more "summer like." And you boodlers always cheer me up and keep my decidedly middle aged grey cells a great deal more active!

Now I'm telling myself to Shut Up!


Posted by: aroc | August 20, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I can't speak to whether the '88 Presidential campaigns were the first of the 21st century media-focused style, but I do remember the GH Bush campaign ad with Dukakis wearing the helmet while riding in the tank.

And the meta-ad where Duakais is shown watching a Bush attack ad on TV, then switches it off, looks into the camera, and proceeds to attack the Bush ad, pruning away misleading statements and inaccurate branches of thought, leaving what he must have thought were seeds of doubt in the garden of viewers' minds.

Obviously, Bush had very potent dirt.
Er, I mean, growth medium.


Posted by: bc | August 20, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I am worried about the American electorate. Considering the mess we are in (and it's getting worse on all fronts)the roughly 50-50 split indicates ideology rules rather than common sense.

I recommend reading Gorbachev's op ed piece in NYT.

It's a bit more updated than the piece that appeared on the WaPo.

Posted by: Brag | August 20, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

This is the first time in my adult life that I truly believe that whatever I do at the polls has the potential to hurt my country: no matter if I abstain from voting or who I vote for, there is plenty of down-side.
I am waiting for the debates and speeches and hoping that I'll find wisdom and enlightenment...

Posted by: Dmon | August 20, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

That's the link that worked for me. Gorby mentions the U.S placement of missiles in Poland. Which strikes me as unnecessary.

Posted by: Jumper | August 20, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Resolved: 1988 was in the 21st century. Discuss

Posted by: Shiloh | August 20, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

But illustrative, Jumper.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 20, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Off-kit but still current: Yesssss! Enjoyed two Canadian medal moments last night:

After LoLo Jones hit the ninth hurdle and stumbled away her fabulous run, Priscilla Lopes-Schliep dashed in a pack to the finish, landing the bronze in the 100-metRE hurdles.

And in the eerily-aesthetically pleasing water cube venue, Alexander Despatie's silver on the three-metRE springboard was splendid.

Posted by: College Parkian | August 20, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Jumper.. meant to tell you that was a great site with the electoral votes... like you said, laid out just the way you want information to be presented.

Posted by: TBG | August 20, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I heard this dreadful news report a little while at our farmer's market. 148 dead, the rest, T think about 25 injured.

Leaving Madrid Airport for the Canary Islands. Apparently something terribly wrong with the plane. 148 souls lost, a terrible, terrible waste.

Posted by: Vintage Lady | August 20, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

SCC: T should be I

figures should be 149 dead, 26 wounded, so far.

Posted by: Vintage Lady | August 20, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I find those polls without attributions state by state quite worthless; it’s the Electoral College vote that counts at the end.

53.4-45.6% popular 79-21% college
43-37.4% pop. 69-31% coll.
49-42% pop. 70-30% coll.
47.9-48.4%pop 50.5-49.5% coll.
That last one hurt.

Hopefully, the 2008 result will be a clear expression of the American people's will and not a befuddled mess settled in court(s) of justice.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | August 20, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

[Resolved: 1988 was the first 21st Century campaign, dominated by wedge issues, attack ads, media manipulation. Discuss.]

This graf from Joel reminds me that my nearby used bookstore has this hardback book on its shelves, Greg Mitchell's "The Campaign of the Century: Upton Sinclair's Race for Governor of California and the Birth of Media Politics," which has tempted me--had I more time to read lately. You may recall, last year's film, "There Will be B1ood," that won a best male actor Oscar for Daniel Day Lewis, was loosely based on Sinclair's novel, "Oil!".

From Kirkus Reviews about "The Campaign of the Century":

A colorful account of California's 1934 gubernatorial race, a forerunner of today's high-decibel, high-tech electioneering. Upton Sinclair, author of the meat-packing expos‚ The Jungle and a prominent Socialist who became a Democrat only a year before the general election, electrified millions with his EPIC (End Poverty in California) movement--and at the same time alarmed, in Mitchell's words, ``an array of powerful enemies almost unparalleled in American politics,'' including William Randolph Hearst, Herbert Hoover, and film-mogul L.B. Mayer. Mitchell (Truth...and Consequences, 1981) follows the nine-week campaign almost day by day, from the morning after Sinclair's astonishing primary victory to his November defeat at the hands of the lackluster, reactionary GOP incumbent, Frank Merriam. In between, California became a laboratory for the modern negative mass-media campaign, as Sinclair's enemies wedded some tried-and-true tactics (slush funds, dirty tricks, voter intimidation, biased reporting by nearly all of the state's 700 newspapers) to some disturbingly effective new ones: a campaign consultant to manage a gubernatorial contest, polling, a direct-mail operation, even newsreels (precursors of TV commercials) that attacked Sinclair. For a history as epic as the campaign that inspired it, Mitchell has found additional dash and drama in a wealth of primary source materials, contemporary newspaper accounts, and interviews, unfolding the campaign through the eyes of dozens of politicians, entertainers, and other public figures, including FDR, Charlie Chaplin, Melvin Belli, Pat Brown, James Cagney, and H.L. Mencken. An entertaining chronicle of the consummation of the unholy alliance of Madison Avenue, Hollywood, and politics.

Posted by: Loomis | August 20, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Brag | August 20, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

So... the 21st century began in 1934? Cool!

Posted by: PlainTim | August 20, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Responding to Scotty from previous boodle, yes! I'm comin' and the better news is, based on the time that day, VintageSpouse is comin' with me. So, when you see two pensioners toddling in, that will be US. :-)

Posted by: Vintage Lady | August 20, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

VintageLady, airplane crashes are simply messy. Horrible and messy. The incident with the largest response and longest duration in the history of the fire department that employed me was the crash of a medium-sized jet in July 1994. Sixty-eight on board, 19 survived. At the height of the response, 23 fire companies - half the on-duty strength in the department - were on the scene, plus all the ambulances in the county and several volunteer fire departments. From the moment of the crash in the early evening on a Saturday till the last body was removed and the firefighters completed their operations Tuesday morning, 93.5 hours elapsed. This crash was caused by a sudden downdraft in a thunderstorm that caught the jet as it was approaching the runway to land.

I didn't go to the scene; Mr. T went, and when I fussed about him not taking me, he said, simply, "You don't want to be there." He was right, and I didn't say anything else.

The crash itself wasn't the bad part. That would be body recovery. Picking up pieces of human beings is just not a fun thing to do. The department offered critical incident stress debriefing, as is policy, for those who had to do the work. IIRC, attendance was mandatory.

The photos were bad enough, but I understand the smell is horrible. Since my job included managing the incident reporting system, I worked with the chief fire investigator to complete the fire reports and the casualty reports. Nothing like filling out 39 death reports. Ten were fire deaths, the rest trauma.

Posted by: slyness | August 20, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

An earlier version of 21st century politics:

"There are, in the body politic, economic and social, many and grave evils, and there is urgent necessity for the sternest war upon them. There should be relentless exposure of and attack upon every evil man whether politician or business man, every evil practice, whether in politics, in business, or in social life. I hail as a benefactor every writer or speaker, every man who, on the platform, or in book, magazine, or newspaper, with merciless severity makes such attack, provided always that he in his turn remembers that the attack is of use only if it is absolutely truthful."
-Theodore Roosevelt, 1906

Posted by: Shiloh | August 20, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Dukakis would have made a good President, I think. I sure voted for him. Here's an excerpt from his speech accepting the nomination:

Now, I know I have a reputation for being a frugal man. In nine years, I’ve balanced nine more budgets than this Administration has and I’ve just balanced a tenth. And I’ve worked with the citizens of my state—worked hard to create hundreds of new jobs—and I mean good jobs, jobs you can raise a family on, jobs you can build a future on, jobs you can count on.

I’m proud of our progress, but I’m even prouder of the way we’ve made that progress—by working together; by excluding no one and including everyone: business and labor; educators and community leaders and just plain citizens—sharing responsibility; exchanging ideas; building confidence about the future.

And what we have done reflects a simple but very profound idea—an idea as powerful as any in human history.

It is the idea of community.

It is the idea that we are in this together; that regardless of who we are or where we come from or how much money we have—each of us counts. And that by working together to create opportunity and a good life for all—all of us are enriched—not just in economic terms, but as citizens and as human beings.

It is an idea that was planted in the New World by the first Governor of Massachusetts.

"We must," said John Winthrop, "love one another with a pure heart fervently. We must delight in each other, make each other’s condition our own, rejoice together, mourn together, and suffer together. We must knit together as one."

John Winthrop wasn’t talking about material success. He was talking about a country where each of us asks not only what’s in it for us, but what’s good and what’s right for all of us.


Posted by: kbertocci | August 20, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I was a kid then, and I wasn't impressed with Dukakis vs G.H.W. Bush... really the first election I remember following.

I don't know what it was, but Dukakis had that Columbo effect that led others to underestimate his potential.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 20, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

This jewel, offered us by KB, deserves a solitaire setting.

"We must," said John Winthrop, "love one another with a pure heart fervently. We must delight in each other, make each other’s condition our own, rejoice together, mourn together, and suffer together. We must knit together as one."

Paging the knitters: we matter, we do, we matter, we do......

And to the cosmic among us, when I read such quotes about the mystical fabric of our lives, I see us hurdling through space a bazillion stars streaking past us toward some dark matter/energy destination into a final, glorious union.

Thanks, KB, and I believe that you are very on-kit.

Posted by: College Parkian | August 20, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why Republicans believe that some people you love and others it's OK not to love--to hate, in fact.

And they usually call themselves Christians.

Posted by: TBG | August 20, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

This annual list from Beloit Colleague about the mindset of the college class of 2012 always fascinates:

Here are Nos.25-35:
# There have always been gay rabbis.
# Wayne Newton has never had a mustache.
# College grads have always been able to Teach for America.
# IBM has never made typewriters.
# Roseanne Barr has never been invited to sing the National Anthem again.
# McDonald’s and Burger King have always used vegetable oil for cooking french fries.
# They have never been able to color a tree using a raw umber Crayola.
# There has always been Pearl Jam.
# The Tonight Show has always been hosted by Jay Leno and started at 11:35 EST.
# Pee-Wee has never been in his playhouse during the day.
# They never tasted Benefit Cereal with psyllium.

Posted by: College Parkian | August 20, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

NOW I feel old going back to college.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 20, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

CP, Kber, yes.

I'm not even sure what this means, but I love it:

"The things by which we live are the distant flashes of insect wings in a clouded sunlight." R. Chandler

Posted by: dbG | August 20, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

kbertocci -

Want to weigh in on the reefer platform. No, not THAT reefer platform!

I would go with wood. 2x4's or 4x4's stacked to the required height, in a box configuration of a size to match the reefer's footprint. Use a construction technique of your choice but ensure that the box cannot come apart. Lap joints maybe. Or very long deck screws, never nails. You must also take the drip pan and the collected water into consideration which may preclude a drawer or storage in the box.

I would secure the reefer to the box with small lag bolts or large screws and place wheels on the bottom of the box for moving the whole thing.

Having raised the reefer and its considerable contents off the floor you have now changed the center of gravity of the whole assembly. You MUST, repeat, MUST secure the reefer to the wall studs (2 each, 16-24" apart horizontally) to prevent tipping. Most will have attachment points in the back (near the top) just for that purpose. The manual that came with the reefer should have details. If not, call mfg for instructions. Do not attach the reefer to any cabinetry. Cabinets are not attached to the wall or floor with the required integrity for the job.

Don't worry about ventilation issues caused by raising the unit. Unless yours is very unusual, it vents to or from the back. Again, follow mfg instructions for top or side clearance requirements.

I would not use cinder/cement blocks. Too difficult to tie them into the proper box configuration with the required integrity. They may also fail under weight after repeated exposure to moisture. Ask bc if he ever uses them to hold up a car he is working under.

Dunnage is properly the scraps of wood used on a ship to keep cargo from shifting during transit, placed under the cargo and wedged between cargo and bulkheads. Civilian usage tends more towards: stuff, odds & ends, or scraps of durable materials.

Hope this helps.


Posted by: DLD | August 20, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, CP, but the relevance of that Beloit link is questionable. College kids and Wayne Newton, for crying out loud!? It's like getting misty eyed over Speed Racer. It's a great suggestion for an article, just not the one that they wrote. Joel could do better with one hemisphere of his brain tied behind his back. So could you.

Posted by: Jumper | August 20, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I've been going crazy trying to figure out who the gay rabbits are.

Posted by: TBG | August 20, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

RDP has told us many times how his rabbits jump for joy. So gay, yes?


Posted by: DLD | August 20, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

What college age person even knows who Wayne Newton is? Highly suspect, that list. It looks more like one of those fake "kids say the cutest things" emails people insist on sending me.

Posted by: Yoki | August 20, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Yoki and Jumper -- parts of the list are silly, when considering that the young people are the audience. However, 'tis mostly faculty who read the list! Then, the Wayne Newton idea makes sense sort of, as in the students do not have Mr. Danke Schon on their radar.

I find that IBM did NOT make typewriters the year that this cohort was born quite telling.

Posted by: College Parkian | August 20, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I do know who Wayne Newton is, I have yet to figure out why he is famous.

I do not know if he has a moustache.

Yoki I will stop sending the emails about the cute things my children do! :-)

Posted by: dmd | August 20, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Now dmd, you know perfectly well I adore hearing about cute things real kids do. It's those fake "What Children Have to Say about Marriage" emails, and their like, that I feel a strong aversion to.

Posted by: Yoki | August 20, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, you gotta take a gander at those Olympic baseball rules. Apparently if it goes to 11th inning with a tie, they put 2 runners on 1st and 2nd before the inning even begins?

Let's say USA vs Japan went to the 11th inning 0-0.... and ended it 4-2. USA was one strike away from retiring Japan 4-0, no batter got on base, I go for a drink and come back, and it's 4-2?

I'm like "where did those extra runners come from?" A single and a walk, and then bases got loaded with 2 outs...

That's too much adrenaline for baseball viewing, I tell you.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 20, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Ilk, Yoki. You dislike the "cute kids" emails and their ilk. I think "ilk" is fun here because it is close to "irk", which is what the emails to do you. "Like", on the other hand, is close to "like" in the sense of "enjoy", which is exactly what you're not doing with the reading matter.

Sorry. I've been talking too much lawyer talk. As punishment, I will go read a "cute kids" email.

Posted by: Ivansmom | August 20, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Mudge -- IIRC, your (and my) b'day is/are next week, right? Mine's on Friday, and yours, I think, is on Tuesday(?), so I thought I'd shout out a happy birthday wish to ya (being my elder and all that)! Plus, I was told yesterday by two (count them, 2!) women that I look like I'm in my 40s. Of course, I'm grinning from ear to ear. Ain't so bad getting to 62, eh? Only three years until I get to be a "Medicare Mamma" -- and I definitely want that to be on my cake!

That's assuming, of course, that Medicare (and cakes) still exist by that time. Oh, and I need to be still existing, too. At the rate I'm going splat on the floor, that could be in question.

Toodles, all. Gotta get some more work done before the work day closes on me.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | August 20, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Any of you out there using Gmail, search for this in your Gmail search box...

in:spam msnbc

Hilarious results. Someone's having fun with the spam they send.

Posted by: TBG | August 20, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I find those lists to be somewhat interesting. I think it must be useful for professors to know that their next class was in elementary school on 9/11 and wasn’t even born when the Berlin Wall came down. In pop culture, a now 18 year-old was born after the Simpsons premiered and only 8 when Seinfeld ended.

Posted by: SonofCarl | August 20, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

And for the benefit of Shut Up I will note that a person probably now has to be 35 or older to have personal recollection of the Dukakis campaign.

Posted by: SonofCarl | August 20, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

The presidential campaign that most influenced modern politics was the Bryant (D) McKinley (R) campaign of 1896; the first in which massive fundraising, advertising and invective epideictics in songs were used to win the race. The Republicans raised $16 million - a lot of money in 1896 - mostly from corporations, and that led to early campaign finance reform. Prior to 1896 campaigns were more gentlemanly affairs, with actual campaigning by the candidates seen as undignified and unpresidential. It has been steadily downhill since then.

Posted by: Shiloh | August 20, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I have a photo of Dr G holding Son of G on his lap sometime in the summer of 1989. Dr G is reading a newspaper to Son of G (about 6 or 7 months old at the time). The headline is about the events in Tiananmen Square.

I guess that means that this year's college freshman class was born after those events.

Posted by: TBG | August 20, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

SonofCarl, I am considerably older than 35 and I have *no* recollection of the Dukakis campaign at all. Except that I voted for him.

Posted by: slyness | August 20, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Boodle. Just got back from visiting my 92-year-old aunt in upstate Pa near the Poconos. She lives with my recently deceased cousin's widow. We stopped at a little restaurant and got ribs and chicken, slaw, pot salad, B. beans, etc., for lunch and took it there. Had lunch and a good visit, left them enough leftovers for one or two meals.

Thanks, FTB; happy birthday to you, too. Yep, I'll be 62 on Sunday the 24th.

Wilbrod, I cannot even bring myself to discuss those [incredible string of expletives, several of which I'm not even sure *I* know what they mean] baseball tiebreaker rules. I wish you hadn't even brought it up. The only thing I can think is that they were invented by a committee comprised of Ann Coulter, Karl Rove and Richard Simmons. Possibly Hitler. Those rules are enough to convince the pope to endorse capital punishment for the people who created them. There is a good chance that when they die, Satan will not allow them into Hell.

Other than that, I don't have much of an opinion one way or the other.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 20, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad those tie-breaker rules don't bother you at all, Mudge.

Posted by: TBG | August 20, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Our research program holds a retreat every year in fall. And every year at this time I send out an email calling for abstracts for the poster session. I ask students to format abstracts using the attached file format (makes it easy for me to compile the abstract book). I've copied part of the one I've created for this year.

The question is, are they too young to remember Dr. Frankenstein? And whether he had a moustache or not?

September 18, 2008

Student Name: Igor
Faculty Mentor: Dr. Viktor Frankenstein
Department: Ingolstadt

Poster Title: The Modern Prometheus

Abstract: My research project was to help create a beautiful creature, but I think my advisor’s ideas were not well thought out. The creature turned out to be a monster, though not without beauty. It killed my advisor’s brother, his best friend, his wife, and caused the death of the maid as well. Sometimes experiments fail spectacularly. May I please just get my degree and get out of here?!

Posted by: DNA Girl | August 20, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

'Fess up, 'Mudge...

I just finished watching the Curacao/Japan LLWS game, and you were really in Williamsport coaching the Japanese team, right?

If not, we've found yer doppleganger. Wonder if he tells the kids tales of his exploits with the samurai... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 20, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I've been wearing ties, since school is back in session. They reek of professionalism. I have the added advantage of picking a colour that subliminally emphasizes that it's *my* classroom. OTOH, I can pick patterns that suit the topic of the day, or holiday ties, when appropriate. I have a Star Wars tie for those playful days. The vast majority of my ties are the Jerry Garcia brand. I'm particularly fond of the Lady in Argyle Socks.

Posted by: jack | August 20, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Hi, aroc! It's unseasonably cold and wet on this side of the country, too. Mr Ml says autumn is coming early - he says that every year in August - very annoying. You're right, I actually looked forward to being back East at the end of July. PA was having weather that was more like Pacific NW weather in summer.

Happy Bday, Mudge and ftb! My sister's is Aug 31 - she'll be the magic 65. She talked to the Social Security folks awhile ago and told me she understood why people go postal on them (I guess non-responsive would be an understatement).

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 20, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

My wife is of the opinion that there are more undecided voters than I suspect. And she is usually right about stuff. She tells me this frequently.

Anyway, she thinks there are still a lot of people who are suspicious of Obama. Maybe it's, you know, the skin tone, maybe the funny name, maybe that whole Wright business. She feels that a good VP choice will really help a lot.

I sure hope he finds a way to convince those who have a knee-jerk reaction against him. Although I certainly do not despise McCain the way I might some others, I would very much like to see a President Obama.

And not just because I think Michelle would make a smokin' first lady.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 20, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

DLD - I laughed out loud at your post about my bunnies. It reminded me of when I first read about the movie "Donnie Darko." I momentarily thought that the main character was periodically visited by a giant rabbi.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 20, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Mudge... could you pass some of that pot salad my way?

Posted by: martooni | August 20, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Here's an idea: Michelle Obama for VP.


Posted by: DLD | August 20, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I like to see guys wear ties. It makes them look smart and neat and professional. Not to mention, it makes them look like they know what they are doing.

Posted by: rainforest | August 20, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

This may make you feel better Curmudgeon. Or not. No baseball or softball in the London 2012 Olympics. But we will have BMX and trampoline.


Posted by: DLD | August 20, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm with rainforest on this one. I (I know I've said this before) love to see a man in a suit and dress shirt and tie and dress shoes. To be fair, I wear a suit and hose and heels and jewelery and make-up every day at the office, so I'm not asking more of them than I am of myself. I regret the creeping incursion of office casual.

Anybody up for imaginary lunch tomorrow? It's been a week since we last met. dbG?

Posted by: Yoki | August 20, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

An early happy birthday wish to Mudge and ftb as I will be away from Saturday until Tuesday or Wednesday. I don’t look forward to trying to backboodle when I get home.

Yello, I meant to tell you how much I enjoyed your pictures of Cape Cod lighthouses from a few kits back. You apparently didn’t visit one of my personal favorites, Nobska Light in Woods Hole. Here is a link, sorry to join the cut and paste team.

A question regarding the Kit. When is the last time Zogby got it right? I’m not too worried, yet, about Obama’s poll numbers but I hope he starts hitting back harder against McCain’s rather dubious statements about him. I think the Obama team should use that ‘huggy bear’ photo of McCain embracing Bush at every opportunity from now until election day.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | August 20, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Is BMX those little bikes I saw yesterday? Weird. And the other day on CBC, I think, they cut to a shot of a young woman bouncing, bouncing, bouncing - I couldn't tell why - then the camera pulled back and I could see the trampoline. So bizarre.

I haven't worn anything to my office except jeans (and a blouse) for about 15 years (you can imagine what I wear when I work from home). I think ties are kind of silly, but a nice jacket makes a guy look attractive. With jeans. No one compliments me on my fashion sense! Although I did have someone in PA tell me they liked my new sneakers - chocolate brown with turquoise blue stripes.

I'd love to come to imaginary lunch, but since I'll be at the office, it will be truly imaginary for me. Maine again, or should we go to that place in Banff?

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 20, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Here's my dirty little secret. I actually don't mind wearing a tie. It makes me feel more professional and competent. Not that I really am, of course. Neckwear just facilitates a higher degree of self delusion.

But I now work in a technical lab where casual is the rule. To wear a tie is to lose street cred. So I typically don't.

Posted by: RD Padouk | August 20, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Sneaks. I will get back to Cape Cod someday, but we may be off to Maine next. I also have some pictures of the major Outer Banks lighthouses floating around somewhere.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 20, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Is is possible to have imaginary lunch about your lunchtime, Yoki? I have to spend MY lunchtime going to the airport to retrieve Mr. T. Yness taxi service, that's me!

Posted by: slyness | August 20, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

SonofCarl, I don't think my memory is typical of most people too young to be President, but I am indeed one of them.

I grew up on Bloom Country which did cover the campaign in detail, and I remember the infamous Dukakis in "an helmet too big for him" ad.

(Of course I remember the aliens landing in Bloom country and being asked about the election and they said some alien gibberish and "Shrimp or Wimp?" and Opus said, "They KNOW about the election!")

The issues, well, not so much. I remember Bush saying "read my lips, no new taxes." (If only because in later years the joke was that Bush had no lips to read in the first place, that was his trump card all along).

And yes, the infamous Dukakis interview where he didn't act passionate enough about the idea of his wife being raped and would he want the death penalty THEN?

Gawd, I miss Bloom Country everytime it's an election year.
What would it have been like, to see Bill the cat vs Bill the Human (tomcat)?

And what would have Opus's reaction been to the global warming denial as he visits his relatives sitting on tiny floes of ice while fanning themselves?

Yes, I know Bloom Country dates me. Such a great vocabulary-builder, it was.

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 20, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Yello, we’ll be in Maine this weekend. I hope to get some good pics of Portland Light and whatever else comes into view. We just got a GPS so we’ll try using it to find points of interest. I have a flickr account but I’ll be darned if I remember where I put the password and user name.

I used to wear suits and hose etc. every day. Now I work in a business casual office. I understand that some jobs require a more dressed up persona, but I have to say that I’m very happy to wear more comfortable clothes. It’s easier on the budget too. However, I now need to find a dress for #2’s wedding and I’m finding it a challenge. They don’t seem to be showing anything but ugly prints or black. Not much of a choice.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | August 20, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Martooni. I licked the pot salad container until there was nothing left.


I know. I bogarted the pot salad. I wasn't thinking.

Actually, I don't mind softball and baseball being eliminated in 2012; we were so dominant it wasn't fair or any fun.

Just saw the American guy, Spearmon, being disqualified in the sprint--and two other runners did the same thing (step on the line) and weren't. Gonna be a BIGGGGG brouhaha over this any minute. Gonna have to disqualify three guys-- or give Spearmon the silver. VERY big trouble coming.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 20, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Of course, slyness. Come to lunch with me in my time zone.

Posted by: Yoki | August 20, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Opus is Sunday-only and the political content is much less compared to the grand storylines that used to occur. But enjoy this and whatever is still in the archives..

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 20, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

And I must add that, as I love being met at an airport (any airport), I fully support your taxi service!

Posted by: Yoki | August 20, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Look for an update Mudge, CBC announced another DQ about a half hour ago, 13 hours after in Beijing. (Silver medalist)

Posted by: dmd | August 20, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the picture of Nobska Light, Sneaks. 32 years ago, in the Tour de Woods Hole, I understood that I had no hope of winning when I came off the turn from Church Street (I think that was Church Street), which was slippery with loose sand, turned onto the beach road to Nobska, and saw the leaders waaaay up ahead of me, zooming up the slope to pass 'round Nobska Light like they had rocket-assists. (How's that for a run-on sentence?) I managed to come in 17th out of 67, beating my Dad (by a lot) and his friend Mike (by a bit). Of course, my Dad had been delayed at the start by the woman who crashed over in front of him so that we had to tippy-toe over her (what -- you thought we would stop and help?), and he was still recovering from tearing a tendon in his knee when he fell from a dock and caught his leg in a cross-brace a few weeks earlier. I think he mighta whupped me, otherwise. Still, pretty good for 14 years old.

Back in '76, Woods Hole still felt like a summer colony for science geeks. When I was there 10 years (or so) ago, on an October weekend, it was packed with tourists getting on the ferry to the Vineyard, coming off the ferry, or just wandering around Woods Hole for its own sake. The MBL and WHOI both have gift shops now, and WHOI has a little museum. All the side streets were packed with cars, and the MBL beach is open to the public. Everybody even knows about Crane's Beach, now. Paradise lost.

Posted by: BicycleTim | August 20, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Yoki! If you ever come to my airport, I will be delighted to taxi you wherever you need to go. First, of course, we will find a good place for a delicious meal.

Posted by: slyness | August 20, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Come to think of it, that was an August weekend in Woods Hole. I was estimating the date from the meeting that I had been attending in Cambridge, but I forgot that the meeting had been in August that year. Usually it's in October, like this year -- October in Ithaca, NY.

Posted by: BicycleTim | August 20, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

BicycleTim, 12 years ago Woods Hole was still a sleepy little town in the winter. There were two restaurants (besides the WHOI cafe), and they took turns being open. But it was and is very different in the summer. The route your race took sounds like the Falmouth Road Race route. #2 ran it a year or two ago, she won’t be doing that anymore. There’s a nice little aquarium in Woods Hole, I think it’s part of WHOI (what isn’t?). There is a great bike path that runs from the ferry parking lot up through the outskirts of Falmouth. They’ve added to it since I used it so I’m not sure where the other end of it starts. I should add that to our list of things to do this fall.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | August 20, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

We lived in one of MBL's cottage groups a few miles outside the Hole. In the mornings, I took the seaside bike path to town, then up School Street to the Woods Hole Children's School of Science, which took over the town school in the summers, for Nature Photography. Afternoons, my sister and I rode from Woods Hole over to Falmouth because they had a bigger bookstore than the little one in Woods Hole.

Posted by: BicycleTim | August 20, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Not all afternoons, of course. A lot of the time, we went sailing in the afternoon. Pretty darned idyllic.

Posted by: BicycleTim | August 20, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Happy birthday, 'Mudge and ftb!

Daughter #1 slammed the tip of her finger in a car door. She's going to lose the nail. First aid was the order of the evening.

Slyness: I was at my Dad's in Lake Wylie when that plane went down at Douglas. We heard a loud boom, kind of like a fireworks finale. It was July, sometime near the fourth, and I thought it odd to hear such a noise. When I saw the news later that evening it make more sense.

Posted by: jack | August 20, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

... Or they could go get samples from extra-large tongue piercings?

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 20, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Just checking in quickly before collapsing. My halftime grant funded job ends at the end of the month but tomorrow is my last big event. Had planned to take a couple months off, but now I start a new job on Sept. 2nd. Wouldn't have accepted it but general economic conditions have me spooked a bit. Just another reason why I want a smart guy at the helm.

Because of the new job I will only get to see the first day of the RNC up close and personal. Got another post card today telling me it's not too late to order my custom made protest placards. Now if I only had something clever to say. Suggestions?

Posted by: frostbitten | August 20, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Just watched May and Walsh win their second consec gold in beach volleyball, very exciting. Historic moment, and they deservedly went nuts. Good for them.

'Night, Boodle.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | August 20, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure mine would be printable on such a tony blog as this, Frostbitten. Let's just say a Jon Stewart word starting with Clu- and ending in -uck, and/or

"McSame GOP: Millions of *** served"

Posted by: Wilbrod | August 20, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Make love not war? An oldie but a goodie.

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 20, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

All these bicycle stories reminded me of some crazy summertime adventures my brothers and I went on as kids.

We grew up on Connecticut Ave. in Wheaton, sometimes we'd get up early, ride down on our cheap home-repaired, off-brand, second-hand, one-speed 20 in. bikes into DC to the National Zoo for a while, and had to really push back up those long hills (there are a couple of lulus on both sides of Kensington) to get home before Mom got home from work.

And then there were the sprint races through the neighborhoods, going so fast around some corners that you had to make wide entries and exits right out to the curbing, sliding the tires all the way (watch out for gravel or water on the ground from someone washing their car or you'd be laying your ride *down*), the bike heeled over so far that you dragged a knee of your Toughskins over the pavement and you couldn't pedal because there wasn't clearance between the pedal and the ground. Had to have the bike pedal on the inside of the turn all the way at the top of it's travel, or else you'd catch it on the ground and launch yourself into an ugly high-side which may or may not end at a Buick parked on the side of the road (not many driveways in my old neighborhood).

Trying not to think about how much gravel is still embedded in my knees and palms. And how big an impact it takes to knock a sideview mirror off of a '68 Plymouth Fury.


Posted by: bc | August 21, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I forgot to say something this morning to Science Tim. Or one of the Tim's, I forget which.

I think I would like your new Olympic sport.

Yoki, I would love to have lunch tomorrow except my sister is here. My dear sister is coming to have a tea party because this is pretty much half way between our birthdays, I just turned 50, and she will be 50 in January.

She is the smart one, obviously because she thinks up stuff like this.

Posted by: dr | August 21, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

There was some type of trouble on my way home,cop cars racing by,helicopters flying overhead,something went down in Hancock tonight.

I keep seeing a lot of bucks on the side on the road lately,saw 2 eight pointers near my home. I guess that will make all the hunters happy come fall.

I got some great pictures today of a dam I kayaked around a couple of weeks ago.A very different perspective from the mountainside as opposed to being on the river.The river is way down and we need rain.I was hopeing fay would come this way and fill it back up. Still enough to paddle and fish near my home,I think that will be the order for the weekend.

bc,I feel your pain for the bike riding and wiping out,I did it many times myself my friend. Bactine and tweezers to get the gravel out.....ouch it still stings.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | August 21, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Google puts toe in geothermal energy.

Posted by: Jumper | August 21, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday, dr! I have a friend, actually my movie buff and knitter friend, who celebrates her half birthday too. Her real birthday was in early August, so her half birthday is close to mine in February. I told her we should celebrate together. Who was it last year that talked about celebrating longer as you get older? Sounds good to me.

Posted by: mostlylurking | August 21, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, slyness, mostly, I'd love imaginary lunch today. Looks like we're going someplace with slyness already, but I'd love to see Banff again next time! Picnicing again (I'll bring roasted Yukon Gold with green beans and a vinaigrette dressing potato salad)? Or to a place where we can view the menu online and choose?

I used to wear suits to work but was happy to change to business casual. At my old job in academia, jeans and sneakers were more like it. Now, working from home 30+ hours a week, we're talking barefoot in sweats and shorts. Time to go make the potato salad.

Posted by: dbG | August 21, 2008 3:27 AM | Report abuse

Enjoy Maine, Sneaks!!! :-)

On a sadder note, I was very disappointed at the media's poor performance in reporting on the (eventual) death of Rep. Tubbs from Ohio. Several outlets didn't wait for an authoritative report, but went with the first "anonymous Democratic source" they could find, then had to retract the premature death announcement when the hospital put the facts out. And no, not gonna do any Monty Python here. *SIGHHHH*

*not-ever-anonymous Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 21, 2008 5:06 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all.

Have watched snatches of the women's beach volleyball on several nights, but fell asleep before they started the final match last night, hooray for the beautiful, strong USA team, Walsh & May.

Slyness, your frame of reference as to the plan crash is a grim expertise. It's kind of strange that when I first heard the news, all I could think of was a similar event in Ann Rivers Siddons fiction "Peachtree Road", this one leaving from Paris, exploded on takeoff, all headed back to Atlanta, details in the book grim and graphic.

As to polls, I personally think polls don't matter until we get close to the election date itself. Kinda wish Obama would name Wesley Clark as his runningmate, doubtful that that will happen, tho.

Posted by: Vintage Lady | August 21, 2008 5:31 AM | Report abuse

Forgot to add, still a stary stary dark on the deck, cool, but too too dry, Husband turned on sprinklers a little while ago.

Posted by: Vintage Lady | August 21, 2008 5:36 AM | Report abuse

Morning, everybody.

Yes, Jack, July 2, 1994, incident number 05-00333. Some things you just don't forget. I wrote an account of the department's response to the crash and then did a video, with news footage and interviews of the responding firefighters. We had a little newsmagazine show we did monthly for viewing on the internal training cable channel. I should see about getting the tape put on a DVD.

Since Mr. T is coming home today, I should get the clean clothes off his side of the bed and put away.

Everybody should check out Joel's story in Style this morning. Mudge, it's definitely for you!

Posted by: slyness | August 21, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Yes, another fine piece by Joel. I'm sure the WaPo staff has the fire extinguishers ready for the firestorm of comments.


Posted by: Scottynuke | August 21, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

Only time for a quick Cassini spacecraft-like flyby of the Boocle his morning, as I have a big day planned, mainly consisiting of having fun and spending somt time with family in DC for a surprise visit.

Scottynuke, I saw the reporting re. Sen. Tubbs and felt it was quite poor as well.

Disrespectful, really.

More this evening, perhaps.

Have a good day, all.


Posted by: bc | August 21, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

"Boocle," spake bc. Which is funny and onomatopoeic and reminds me of a knitting texture called


Knitting: tis everywhere save what's for dinner.

Test driving a bike today for fun courtesy of Bike123. EverymanTim knows about the famous Larry of Mt.Airy Bikes/College Park Bikes: lovely, lovely, lovely day for this.

dbG and Yoki and slyness: I have left a tub of rhubarb sauce (made by Raysmom) in the combination fridge (hint: Battle of Hastings for combination recall). You will also find two quarts of gelatto for underskirting the sauce:

Panna cotte (cooked cream)
Dulce con leche

You know that these italian treats will not be too sweet, however the butterfat content is rather full bore. Never fear for tomorrow we will bike and swim and run and etcetera.

Posted by: College Parkian | August 21, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Bonjour, Boodle.
Landed safely after commenting on NYT editorial. The Evil One's kennels seem quiet today.

Everyone have a good one.

Posted by: Brag | August 21, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

A pox on modern politics. What's election day without free drink and fistfights?
In the old days a man put his hand up and was counted, with any luck, and when he was bought he stayed bought. He had to really, what with the putting up of hands and all, but you can see that they were much more moral in those days. That's why they're called good.

Posted by: Boko999 | August 21, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Instant replay in baseball? Oy. Nothing is sacred. I saw the pine tar game. Martin was on his way to the home plate ump with the crack of the bat to protest. The best thing about that involved the bat across the plate trick, which revealed that Brett's bat was illegal. The ump walked ato the dugour, waved the bat in Brett's face and called him out. Pandmonium ensued. *That's* baseball.

Posted by: jack | August 21, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Great piece Joel.Instant replay in baseball would delay the game. Delay? Baseball is nothing but ‘delay.’ Infinite fouled off pitches, batters stepping out of the box, scratching, spitting, conferences among pitchers, catchers, first basemen, etc. Delay is the main reason I find baseball hard to watch without a good book.

We are experiencing great weather for the first time since early July. A whole week without a thunderstorm or any other type of rain. Sort of nippy in the morning, but a small price to pay for clear blue skys and low humidity. Two more days ‘til small vacation, yay!

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | August 21, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

SCC: " the dugout..." What a geek.

Posted by: jack | August 21, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

CP, knitting could be involved with dinner...

Lobsters need sweaters too, yanno.


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New kit.

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fyi, I posted the Style story as a new kit.

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