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I'm live-blogging the shuttle ride from the main terminal at Dulles to Concourse C!!! The wonders of technology -- I should Tweeter this, or Twooter it, or Meeper it, or whatever they call that thing where people trained for decades in the Literature of Fact wind up extruding less-than-140-character thought bubbles for the clicking masses. (Not that I'm above it! I've always said: Tell me how low to go and I'll go lower.) [My favorite Tweeter: Thomas Pynchon writing "Isn't that Salinger?"]

FYI, I'm going to Wyoming...hence the photo...oops, we're here! More later...Boarding plane...

[Oh, and about McCain. My expert take is that he did fine. You can quote me.]

[Another thought while I wait for the command to shut down this laptop: I thought, all told, that the GOP convention had an angry streak, and I wonder how that will play out there in voterworld. McCain softened that tone a bit in what was a pretty unspectacular speech. So this wasn't Houston 1992, the Pat Buchanan convention. But from Thompson to Romney to Giuliani to Palin, the barbs were quite sharp. But please weigh in with your thoughts -- all opinions welcome. Gotta go...]

more to come....maybe some pix of giant mountains and stuff...

[Bulletin: Just got to Jackson Hole and am staying in Grand Teton National Park -- sweet! Will post photos later. FYI am doing a freelance story on geology -- nothing too dramatic, unless you find geology scintillating.]

Here's Von Drehle on the GOP fest:

' Palin's tough tone allowed McCain to deliver the speech he wanted to make, the one holding himself above the bitter business of partisanship. She got that out of the way. She rallied the party while he tried to transcend it. If you were to boil the past two eventful weeks down to their essence, you would have the Democrats wrapping McCain in the dead arms of the Bush presidency, and McCain trying to wriggle free. You'd have Democrats lasering in on the GOP of Rumsfeld, DeLay and Abramoff, and McCain reaching back to remind America of "the party of Lincoln, Roosevelt and Reagan." Give us one more chance, he said, promising to "get back to basics."

I'n a two-party system, each party must be broad enough to haul in diverse constituencies, so the idea of party unity is inevitably a screen that hides factions and rivalries. In St. Paul, the GOP assembled its screen with more than the usual amount of duct tape and staples showing. If they couldn't agree on politics, they could agree that John McCain is a patriot. They could rally to the conservative dog-whistle of low taxes and free enterprise. They could match the audacity of hope with the audacity of a thrice-married New York City mayor pretending to be horrified by the "cosmopolitan" Obama. They've won seven of the past 10 presidential elections, and as battered and tired as they are, they still know how to get up for the championship game.

'Which starts now.

'A final note, a glance at the forest instead of the trees: No matter how it ends, this contest is now a lock for the history books. Our grandchildren will study it in school. Next January, barring some cataclysm, an oath sworn through the centuries exclusively by white men will be taken by an African-American man or a woman.'


By Joel Achenbach  |  September 5, 2008; 7:50 AM ET
 
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Okay, as I begin typing this comment, there are no others posted. This will demonstrate how I'm kind of the opposite of you, Joel, in the speed department. I'll type something out and then hesitate, and then revise, and then delete and finally try a couple more times and then just make a big effort to stop caring and hit submit. Meanwhile, you've taken shuttle, plane, taxi, traversed a continent, climbed a mountain, found Cheney's hideout, interviewed a scientist or researched a natural phenomenon, etc....

There we go, now, shall I guess my number? Fourth?

Posted by: kbertocci | September 5, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm, I guess it's the commuter hour...Or maybe nobody told the boodle there's a new kit event...I'll go see if anybody's over there at the RNC boodle.

Posted by: kbertocci | September 5, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Karen gets the golden ring.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'd say the GOP is angry this year.

And yeah, you could have used that sentance for many years now. *shrug*

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 5, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Have a great trip, Joel! While you're at it, will you see if our links are out there? We're not sure what happened to them. They were just here a few weeks ago.


Posted by: TBG | September 5, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

When living in cities and driving in heavy traffic I always paraphrased Emily Dickinson:

This is the Hour of Commute,
Remembered, if outlived.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

I have to say, I will cede the award to TBG because she was here but instead of posting she went over to make the New Kit announcement, as per proper boodle etiquette.

Posted by: kbertocci | September 5, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Yes, the Republican convention was a lot angrier that that of the Democrats. I think the reason for this has to do with the differing natures of the two parties.

The Democrats are dreamers. They are motivated by dissatisfaction with the way things are, and are looking for ways to make the world a better place. Therefore, what works for them is inspiration.

The Republicans are defenders. They are pretty happy with things the way they are, and are looking for ways to keep their enemies at bay. Therefore, what works for them is fear and anger at those who might threaten the things they cherish.

So you end up with a Revival Meeting on one hand, and a Call to Arms on the other.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 5, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Joel's tune cootie title has me humming the entire score of The Sound of Music.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Love that picture. The scenery seems, well, so very Von Trampish.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 5, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

From the Sound of Music Music by Rodgers and Hammerstein

Climb every mountain, search high and low
Follow every byway, every path you know.
Climb every mountain, ford every stream,
Follow every rainbow, 'til you find your dream!

A dream that will need
all the love you can give,
Every day of your life
for as long as you live.

Climb every mountain, ford every stream,
Follow every rainbow, 'til you find your dream!

Intentional infection.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Snared by the cootie, I think it more von Trappish.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

An interesting observation from the NYT:

"Gov. Sarah Palin has a following of Alaska women as dedicated to her as others were to a very different politician, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton."

Hm.

Anyone see an issue of scale and perspective here?

*shrug*

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 5, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Edelweiss, Edelweiss
Every morning you greet me
Small and white,
clean and bright
You look happy to meet me.

Blossom of snow
may you bloom and grow,
Bloom and grow forever.
Edelweiss, Edelweiss
Bless my homeland forever.

How do I make it stop?

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Great picture of the Wind River Mountains, Joel.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

Joel, you're really doing research for an article about the Bigfoot they're reputedly hiding at the Cheney, er, I mean, Cheyenne Mountain facility, aren't you?

An interesting observation from previous Boodling and last night's speech: is it the consensus of Boodlers that the Dems are the party of Hope, and the GOP the party of Anger?

I don't know if I subscribe to *that,* but I will say that I listened to McCain's acceptance speech last night on the radio and found it unconvincing.

Another future observation - watch how fast the Washington NFL Franchise players give up on new head coach Zorn. The game coaching and clock management wasn't up to the standards of a playoff-level team, and those guys in the white, burgundy and gold unis know it.

bc

Posted by: bc | September 5, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

The total population of Alaska is 670,000... that's about how many registered voters there are in Fairfax County alone.

If Palin's got a dedicated following of women in Alaska, you've got to figure it's the same number of people who support one of our at-large School Board candidates.

Posted by: TBG | September 5, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Bigfoot is a great metaphor for lost wildness and the unknown. Lost nature, nature without the effects of, or observation by, humans. Maybe lost childhood, if we see knowledge as wiping away mystery.

Posted by: Jumper | September 5, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Not much comment from this quarter this morning. I fell asleep in front of the TV during John McCain's speech and slept through most of it.

In summary, the Republicans' convention fell far short of the Democratic convention--oratorically speaking. Lindsey Graham is just not compelling, in more ways than his ability to deliver words from a teleprompter. The stations I watched while Tom Ridge was speaking had commentary, not Ridge's speech--and I think Ridge made a dreadful first head of homeland security.

Cousin Mitt turned in the worst performance, --I think all can agree. My husband sat down to listen to Huck because he likes Huck's sense of humor. Palin was the novelty, so she drew the most eyes, and I do think her broadcast journalism experience gave her a leg up among the others at the podium this week as far as delivery. Cindy McCain was sweet, as Michelle Obama was sweet.

I will agree wholeheartedly with the press punditry and their comments--too much focus on biography, and far too little on specifics regarding the issues. Too much looking backwards, not enough details about moving forward.

Like to point out that NYT columnist Tom Friedman is doing a great series of articles about the future of energy and the records of both candidates on the issue(s).

Also, it's the veep candidates who are supposed to be the pitbulls, while the presidential candidates attempt to remain above the fray. Yes, I thought Palin was a pitbull and she does wear lipstick. I thought Biden served the pitbull role, and I think he wears (so to speak)blepharoplasty. (When the First Dude has blepharoplasty, then we'll know the Palins have joined the elites. *w* *l*)

The ideology of the two parties is a whole 'nother topic--as others have expounded on here at great length.

Posted by: Loomis | September 5, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

The Boss' delicate phrasing - "I should Tweeter this, or Twooter it, or Meeper it..." - reminds me of the old Vaughn Meader (I think) routine in which then-President Nixon experiments with marijuana, or as he called it, "roofer."

Posted by: byoolin sure could go for a bag of chips. | September 5, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Popularity Contest?

The following table list the frequency and names of populare politicians that have appeared in the comments of the boodle since Joel posted his kit, "Biden the UnCheney" on August 25, 2008.

38 Cheney
63 Bush
99 Biden
100 Clinton
315 Obama
335 McCain
383 Palin

* Palin, the most popular name listed above, didn't appear until August 29, 2008, four days later.

Posted by: kitchen counter | September 5, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

uh, right. that's incredibly useful when you don't clarify whether the names are mentioned in a negative or positive way.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | September 5, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Oops, sorry.

SCC: Palin, the most unpopular name

Posted by: kitchen counter | September 5, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I stumbled upon an interesting commentary under one of Robinson's column this morning (d@mn ragweed allergies woke me up at dark'o thirty, had to wait for the sun to rise to walk the dogs). It's the first comment.
This lady is, or more precisely pretends to be, a long-time accointance of Mrs. palin. She has an interesting take on her and it does have an air of sincerity to it I might say.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2008/09/_meanwhile_back_at_the.html

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 5, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Morning, all. I'm late because I spent over half an hour in Time-Warner's customer service queue, to have my modem reset so I could get to the internet. I'm glad these events don't happen often.

Frosti, thanks again for your commentary.

Cassandra, good luck with education. I thought this article from today's Observer was interesting:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/406/story/172230.html

Jumper, I hope the blue lines on your graphs continue to go up.

Busy day ahead, I'll be in and out.

Posted by: slyness | September 5, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Ya know, all this postin' 'bout "The Sound of Music" and "Edelweiss" and that there pixture of them lovely mountains -- plus a very recent, very special e-mail I recently received showing a woman in a bikini -- have made feel a little mellow and nostalgic, and I realized I haven't written any songs in a while. And, well, shucks, one such song suddenly come to me like a summer thunderstorm up over the Rockies. So I sat m'self down and wrote 'er up, and she goes

a little sumpthin'

like this:

The Ballad of the Palin Din

Have gun, will cavil,
Reads the speech of a veep
A woman without substance
Who makes my skin creep.

McCain picked a bimbo
Who says she’s without sin
Convention ate it up,
Created noisy Palin din.

Palin din, Palin din
I don’t like your tone
Palin din, Palin din
Cheer your Palin drone.

McCain travels on
To wherever he must
Ancient knight of silver
Who squandered his trust.

There are campfire legends
That the hunters all spin
A mayor with a grievance
Who’s gonna take it on her Palin chin.

Palin din, Palin din
Throwing women a bone
Palin din, Palin din
Barracuda Palin drone.

Barracuda Palin drone
Barracuda Palin drone

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

So, if the Republicans are all about change, then their considered recommendation is... what? Vote for the opposition?

Posted by: PlainTim | September 5, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

The unattributed letter in the link posted by Shriek is by Anne Kilkenny of Wasilla, AK.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

That thar pixture I just referenced is already out on the Internet, at http://sedulia.blogs.com:80/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/09/02/grunt_sarahpalin.jpg

A second friend just sent it to me at the same time I was sending the other version of the same thing to him.

You'll all probably be seeing in on Entertainment Tonight, etc., while you eat dinner.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

After hearing McCain and the Republicans attempt to co-opt "change," I was reminded of what Alvin Toffler said:

"Change is non-linear and can go backwards, forwards and sideways."

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Yes, PlainTim, as Gail Collins said this week, the Republicans want to reform gummint by keeping themselves in power.

I tell you their whole campaign is built on cognitive dissonance.

My effusive thanks to all who watched parts of the Moose & Squirrel Convention (thanks Mudge) so I could be free. I'm faxing chocolate, red wine, and tea to you all as desired.

Thanks also to RD for his cogent analysis of why Republicans seem so angry. I haven't been able to figure it out. I can understand the ones (like most of them here) who are hurt by their own policies being defensive, but the ones benefitting from being in power are doing pretty well. Why are they so mad, and why aren't they mad at themselves?

TBG, great comment about population size.

Now if you'll excuse me, thanks to the Kit and Mudge I have to burst into song.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I personally think that the Arizona Republican's version of change is the sidewinder, Crotalus cerastes. Or, at the very best, sideways change; continuing, but renaming, the failed policies of the present administration to give the appearance of change. In short, McSame.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

There was a dour misogynist who swore that womankind
Was neither good, respectable, essential nor refined.
And that firm in this position he would never change his mind...

Posted by: Loomis | September 5, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Actually, IM, I think you've almost but not quite put your finger on it: the GOP *is* angry at itself--but as in many instances of this type, they have to displace it. They are unable to place their anger where it belongs -- at themselves, and their erstwhile sitting pres. and veep -- and so must deflect it to somebody else.

But the truth is, their anger goes inward, because the people they put in office for 8 years betrayed them as well as effed up big time and made fools of them, and made the U.S. an international laughinstock and/or object of fear and hatred.

So yes, they have quite a lot to be angry about, but they can't look in the mirror and deal with it (in a way, I can't say as I blame them).

So it is self-hatred, redirected outward.

Hence, the massive cognitive dissonance you point out.

These people need therapy.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

According to Huckabee last night on the Daily Show, the Republicans are the only party qualified to fix all of the things they've wrecked.

Posted by: rhy | September 5, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I was emailed that pic, too. A Boodler friend of mine predicted that pictures of Palin (Mudge, I think there might be another song parody for you there) would surface on the 'net soon.

She was right.

I wonder if/when it's going to get worse.

bc

Posted by: bc | September 5, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Why,oh why haven't I revisited Wyoming since 1984? Tundra plants. A mini columbine. A mini daisy that's just a fuzzy little cushion with a big flower on top. Shoshonea, great mats of dark-green parsley with lots of yellow flowers, growing at a parking spot on the highway just west of Cody, but unknown to science until about 1980. And even moon plants--one of the saltbushes, growing on dark, fluffy bentonite (drilling mud for the oil industry).

The easy-to-reach high mountains were the Bighorns, whose granite made for great mini-Yosemite scenery upstairs. Also Carter Mountain, some 10,300 feet, drivable provided you had a four wheel drive for a short stretch of loose gravel. Summer home of happy pronghorns.

Meanwhile, after dawn, the local beach had lovely clean surf thanks to Hanna and an offshore breeze. And only one guy out on a surfboard enjoying the situation. Pity.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 5, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

There is also the concept of circular change, as in an old expression: what goes around, comes around. Or circular in the sense of repeating the same errors over and over again as in "Same 'stuff,' Different day." And it will certainly be a different day if the sun rises in the west, as Palin foretold.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

A friend who's a city manager thinks Americans are terribly alienated from their federal government, and take out their alienation on local government.

The Republican convention may have expressed the religious-right and business-right versions of that alienation.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 5, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon, you say that "...the people they put in office for 8 years betrayed them"? If that were so, then they had the chance in 2004 to do something about it. Bush's incompetence already had been shown empirically. And yet, and yet. They betrayed themselves, and the rest of us, by turning out to ratify their original decision to vote for Bush, instead of accepting the evidence and repudiating him. They betrayed themselves, and the rest of us, by choosing to buy a vicious slander of an honorable man, something they've done repeatedly (McCain2000, Max Cleland, John Kerry). They betrayed themselves, and the rest of us, by pushing their tiny but pervasive majority in the House, Senate, and executive office to enact idiot expenditure after idiot expenditure, borrowing our way into gigantic debt, and giving away our freedoms in the process. They have no one to hate but themselves, and they're unwilling to do that. In my more dark and cynical moods, I imagine that Republicans will vote massively for the Democrats in November, just so they have someone else to blame when we all have to swallow the bitter medicine of actual fiscal restraint.

Posted by: PlainTim | September 5, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

The star spangled bikini photo of Palin is an obvious photoshop. Several blogs have both it and the original side-by-side. Palin is actually cuter than the original gap-toothed redneck that her head has been put over.

Another one making the rounds has Palin in a very tight skirt/blouse combo that makes her look rather Mrs. Robinson-ish.

Speaking of women in Alaska. I expect new episodes of 'Bachelorettes In Alaska' to hit the tube:

http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/summary.php?i=103

I'm not sure where the funny-pictures-of-Palin meme crosses the line. The girls-and-guns has a certain amount of mean-spirited truthiness to it that could be defended as legitimate satire, but I can see it descending into pure sexist objectifying if you are just slapping Palin's face on tasteless pictures.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

My wife just e-mailed to ask if the guy right behind Palin in that photo, smoking a cigarette, is her son, the one who is going to Iraq. Because he's holding a Schlitz beer can in his hand, and he's underage.

(Only my wife would see that.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I dunno about that being quite so "obvious" that it was Photoshopped, but are you sure, yello? I'll take your word for it if you are sure. Is there an Internet citation?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

When I referred to Republicans who were hurt by the current policies, like the ones here, I meant "here in Oklahoma", not "here on the Boodle". With the national jobless rate at 6.1%, bankruptcy difficult to get and hard to use to discharge debt, and gas and food prices and foreclosures rising, the middle and lower middle class tend to be hit hardest by the failures of government. These folks consistently vote against their own interests. At this point, they offer the usual social-conservative arguments but don't seem to believe them.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Quit plagiarizing my poems.

Posted by: Walter Reginald Latham | September 5, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

That's a valid observation, Dave.

Our little town had a revolution and counter-revolution when a single coucil woman, in an insurgency not unlike that of Palin in Wasilla, effected the firing of the Town Clerk, the only town employee. The ensuing mismanagement of the town - having lost its institutional memory to a majority of new council members - and the next annual election became the focus of the counter-revolution. The fired town clerk ran for office, was elected Mayor, and then resigned as Mayor to once again become Town Clerk. The leader of the insurgency resigned in a fit of pique when outnumbered by a new majority on the Town Council. Although non-partisan, as in Wasilla, there was a clear distinction between the factions that betrayed partisan thinking influenced by national events.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Krugman over at the Grey Old Lady has his own tentative explanation for all the anger expressed at the GOP convention(which he calls the Gramm Old Party!)

"What the G.O.P. is selling, in other words, is the pure politics of resentment; you’re supposed to vote Republican to stick it to an elite that thinks it’s better than you. "

You know where to look for the rest.

What you can read between 04:30 and 05:45 in a quiet house is amazing. The real problem shows up around 14:00-14:30. I'm going to crash and burn.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 5, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Here's but one example of it debunked:

http://patterico.com/2008/09/02/sarah-palin-bikini-photo-fake/

The body type doesn't match any previous description of Palin as a dedicated runner. And while nothing is beyond the pale, even I give Palin more credit for decorum. The picture of her in a huge group of people dressed as Vikings seems real.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Nonsense, Walter. Its not plagiarism when the topic is now and you're dead, its paraphrase.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Shiloh,
I should have added that my city manager friend is horrified to see competent employees fleeing Florida for better-paying jobs or for any job at all. Recent tax cuts and economic contraction have forced cuts from which recovery will be difficult.

Should hurricane Ivan follow this morning's dotted line, we might quickly see the consequences of inadequate funding of public services.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 5, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Maybe that "original" is the fake thrown in to trick us?

There are lots of ways to trip up a fake. One of the best is lighting inconsistencies. Of course, the absolute best way is to find the source of the cut and paste and show that it's the same. In this case that would mean finding the original pic of Palin that was lifted to make this creative image.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 5, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Ike, Dave, Ivan revisited, perhaps.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

frostbitten wondered last night about the name of the Oklahoma congresswoman who spoke (thanks again for your sacrifice, frosti!). That was Rep. Mary Fallin. She is personally a very nice woman and politically pretty savvy.

While she & I don't see eye to eye on politics, I am compelled to note that she would have been a far more qualified veep pick than Palin, if McCain was looking for a conservative woman. Mary was a state representative, than a three-term lieutenant governor before being elected to Congress. She was the first woman and first Republican lieutenant governor in Oklahoma, and her third term was with a Democratic governor. In that role she concentrated not only on tourism (part of her portfolio) but on aerospace and small business development (yes, we have aerospace here, there is a big old Air Force airport with a LOT of room in western OK). As a congresswoman she's on some important committees and has passed some legislation. She has two kids and is divorced, has no particular scandals that I know of (it's a small state), and keeps her nose clean. She is a social conservative and as far as I can tell has always toed the Republican party line.

Just sayin' there were other, more qualified women at hand if McCain really wanted a woman who could step into the presidency.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Sen. Lieberman has been picked to be the primary instructor to prepare Gov. Palin for thet VP debate in the realm of foreign policy. This speaks to her particular level of expertise. Cramming is not a suitable substitute for experience.

Posted by: jack | September 5, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Shiloh,

Not the Paladin parody. This one:

http://www.poetrylibrary.org.uk/queries/lostquotes/?id=83

Word for word. I may be dead, but that is still my poem.

Posted by: Walter Reginald Latham | September 5, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

With the resolution provided in yello's link, lighting discrepancies are visible that are indicative of a Photoshop. Other versions of that pic were low-res enough to muddy the issue.

Althought I agree with RDP that seeing the originial Palin image would help resolve this.

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 5, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Dave, I remember, after Katrina, my employer (the local fire department) sent a member of the command staff to Mississippi to assist in recovery. He was amazed and aghast at the incompetence of the emergency management planning in that area, and said they were 30 years behind us in NC. How ridiculous is that?! An outstanding example of what goes around, comes around.

Posted by: slyness | September 5, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Two people have e-mailed me noting that Palin's head "fits" the body much better than the alleged "real" head does. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Apologies, Walter. And a rap on the knuckles to Loomis for failing Attribution 101.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Scotty, get back in bed!

*faxing you some chicken soup it couldn't hurt*

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Who sez I ain't in bed, 'Mudge?

WiFi is a wonderful thing. :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 5, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

*tapping truncheon on lightpost*

Roit! Wot's all this then?

'Oo's been misappropriating Mr. Latham's words?

Posted by: Inspector Praline | September 5, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Just got a distress call from the aforementioned Town Clerk. Budget hearing on Monday and the budget draft isn't finalized. I'll be gone most of the afternoon. I did the same thing yesterday in another town, all as a volunteer. Community organizing is a tiresome and under-respected job.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

COUGH! COUGH! Hack! (10:10) COUGH!! COUGH!

Posted by: From back of classroom: | September 5, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Shiloh... I meant to thank you the other day for your hard work on the Hospice funding issue.

Thanks to the funding of Hospice services by Medicare, the end-of-life experiences for both my parents made an incredibly difficult thing better for all of us... most of all for them.

You are a community organizer! And you are responsible!

Posted by: TBG | September 5, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/palin.asp

The resolution in the face area seems higher in the Palin photo. Plus, note the change in colour at the neck line.

Posted by: SonofCarl | September 5, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

mudge,

The photographer of the original image, one Doctor Casino, is aware that his picture has been appropriated and says that the model who is named Elizabeth posed at least partially tongue-in-cheek. Here are his words:

///The (unauthorized) reuse of the image by anonymous parties for the Sarah Palin project, whatever its other pitfalls, doesn't fit the same bill. It's not intended to titillate, and it's in fact considerably closer to the original intention of the moment and photograph thereof - an ironic sendup of a certain slice of American culture that celebrates both guns and superficial flag-waving. (The irony would be instantly apparent to anyone who knows Elizabeth; I would point out as well that up until yesterday, the majority of my photo-blog's readership consisted of such people!)///

Of course, Doctor Casino's entire Flickr account could be an elaborate ruse to cover up the original REAL Palin version of the picture. You can spin a paranoid conspiracy theory as far as you want. Glad to know mudge knows so many photoshop experts. Perhaps they can work on the Zapruder film in their spare time.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

When Walter Reginald Latham of East Sussex speaks, after having died in December of 1988, you know something is weird. Again, if you're going to point something out to me or about me, please have the balls or breasts to use your own handle.

My bad (I'll take the fall) for rushing (as I did yesterday with Obama's convention address--not having gone to a transcript regarding his one detail-devoid utterance about Pakistan) and not having scrolled far enough down the same link that someone is using to retrieve to his poem.

At least Latham, a relatively obscure British poet, is being elevated to greater recognition today. What I find interesting is that this poem of Latham's written about misogyny in 1948 is as true today as it was 60 years ago.

But where's the wisdom of using a photoshopped photo of Palin to make a political point? This is about as good as Daily Kos trying to make Bristol Palin the mother of a Down syndrome baby? Who wrote that horrible, disgusting garbage--a man or a young woman not familiar with reproduction? Statistically, there's a far greater probability of a woman over 40 having a child with a trisomy on chromosome 21 than a 17-year-old girl.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome

I suggest Palin's name came up so many times on the Achenblog because she's an unknown. Human curiosity being what it is... Were there that much interest about Joe Biden's record.


Posted by: Loomis | September 5, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

The Republican version:

Gov.'s gavel will travel
Reads the card of a wo-man
A mother of five with honor
In a savage land.

Her fast rise, now hired,
Heeds the calling wind
A soldier of increasing fortune
This woman called Palin-din.

Palin-din, Palin-din
Much you do know
Paladin, Paladin
Far, far from Juneau.

She travels to St.Paul
To wherever she must
A chess queen of silver
Wearing McCain's badge of trust.

There are campfire legends
That the plainsmen sing of
Woman hunter toting a gun
Of the woman called Palin-din.

Palin-din, Palin-din
Put up a fierce fight
Palin-din, Palin-din
A new home, House, White?

Far, far from home
Miles from the Land of midnight Sun
Far, far from home
Wage the battle, stick to your guns!

Posted by: Loomis | September 5, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

yello.. Mudge works in a publications office. I'm sure there several Photoshop experts at his elbow as we speak.

I work for a publishing company and there are a few folks here with pretty mad PS skillz, too.

Posted by: TBG | September 5, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

How do you know there isn't that much interest in Biden's record? We just don't need to talk about it here because it is exhaustively open and available for perusal. From what I read, if you call Biden up he'll be glad to tell you all about it himself.

As you say, Palin is unknown and apparently the plans are for her to be very carefully shepherded. No current media access, minders with her at interviews, webpages altered to obscure previously available information - this only encourages media and regular folks to find out more. Palin is being presented as real, and people want the real scoop.

A desire to explore Palin's heretofore unknown record is completely appropriate. She's an obscure Veep candidate with a more than usual chance of succeeding to the presidency.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

John McCain last night based his first speech as presidential nominee around a vow for change in Washington on a Capraesque scale, embracing the leadership of President Bush before assembled Republicans even as he promised to "get this country back on the road to prosperity and peace."

-WSJ.COM

Market news remains dismal. It's a good time to buy, barring an October surprise like 1929. Fortunately, I live in a one-story building.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"You're supposed to make McCain look exciting, not make surfing look boring." Stephen Colbert

Posted by: Jumper | September 5, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

TBG,

Point very well taken. My knowledge of photoshop is rudimentary at best. I'm really not trying to disparage anybody's credentials except that whoever mudge talked to is clearly wrong. It's just silly to do a pixel by pixel examination of the fraud if you can find the source material with thirty seconds of Googling. I may know bupkis about photo-editing, but I have mad Googglin' skilz.

And I know that mudge was just yanking my chain a little, but there are people that will accept the legitimacy of the picture regardless of the quality of the evidence to the contrary. It's just human nature.

Which leads us back to Joel's secret trip to examine the Bigfoot corpse. I hope he examines it with all the rigor of the scientists that declared the duckbill platypus a fraud.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Huckabee was a great guest last night on The Daily Show. You can tell he and Stewart enjoy each other. He's a very funny and affable guy. They should give him a regular gig on the show.

Did anyone see Newt Gingrich the night before agree with Jon Stewart that by the Republicans' standard of Senate experience doesn't equal executive experience McCain also has none?

Posted by: TBG | September 5, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Mornin All
Just walked around the block. This getting back into exercise is wonderful for the mind and the body.

Came across a fairly large Timber rattle snake crossing the road. And well you know me I had to help it. I picked it up with my walking stick and I heard the rattle(it was kinda cool as well as scary). Anyways I put him on the other side of the road and we both went on our own way.I must take a camera when walking,because it was a beautiful snake

I'll be heading to Baltimore after work tonight in case the storm gets nasty and my Mom needs help.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | September 5, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

To expound a bit about angry Republicans. I work with a lot of conservatives. The one theme I hear a lot is the need to "protect" things. To protect their money, their religion, their language, their borders, their country, their music, their hobbies, and all the other things that they hold dear.

It is a siege mentality. It is no mystery why "gun rights" are central to many hard-core conservatives. They don't love their guns because they are hicks, they love their guns because guns represent protection.

I know a very intelligent and historically astute gentleman who believes that the first step in the slippery slope to totalitarianism is to disarm the populace.

So what you have is a group of very motivated people who are angry because they are scared. The only way to deal with this is to attempt to convince them that their fears are unfounded, or convince them that their strategies are self-defeating, or find something even scarier to get them to focus on that the left finds scary too.

Good Luck With That.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 5, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, TBG. My work is helping to enable the nascent hospice movement to survive was one of the two most rewarding experiences of my life. All credit should go to the late John Heinz, my hero in the senate. When Bob Dole got too busy to follow up on the hospice amendment he introduced, John followed through. That late night senate action to amend TEFRA in August of 1982 was a high point in the rewards of community organization.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

As far as the pics go, I should have been a little clearer - far more fakes were expected to surface than any real ones.

Also, there are sophisticated digital analysis programs that can sort through digital image files bit by bit and can detect alterations and inconsistencies in the file itself, even if the changes to the rendered image are undetectable to the human eye. I'm sure some folks around here may be familiar with such things.

bc

Posted by: bc | September 5, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Excellent job helping the snake! Coulda been run over. Reminds me of when my brothers and I forgot it was Father's Day. Went into the Whittier hills to find him a snake, but could only bag a rattler. I think we must have been 8, 10 and 12. Dad was surprised.

Posted by: ryh | September 5, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I didn't watch either convention very long. Just occasional glimpses while channel surfing.

I was struck during Palin's speech by how happy the audience seemed to have someone new to sing the song. Americans need their fresh, young, celebrities; the Dems had Obama but the Republicans didn't have one until now.

I agree about the anger. Obviously, someone needs to be blamed for the state the country's in. I've got two responses -Pogo ("we have met the enemy and he is us") and Heinlein ("there ain't no such thing as a free lunch"). It's easier to scapegoat and project your problems on others than to own the results of your own actions. Besides, the delegates looked like they belonged to the social class that has prospered under Bush and Cheney.

The Republican themes did remind me of alcoholic family dynamic where members rotate between 3 roles - victim, persecutor and savior. I heard all three played out, along with the usual conservative swear words -‘liberal', ‘media' ad nauseum. Combined of course with ‘evil. Preaching to the choir. This has been framed for 30 years. If you are not familiar with linguistic (or social) framing, I heard George Lakoff on book TV touring for his latest (The Political Mind: Why You Can't Understand 20th Century Politics With and 18th Century Brain), and realized I want to get his earlier book (Don't think of an Elephant, Know Your Values and Frame the Debate). Linguistics and cognitive science, what's not to like. Hadn't had buying books in the budget lately, but these may be on my Christmas list.

Posted by: km2b | September 5, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Only five Photoshop experts within, maybe 30 feet, TBG. Plus my five years as production manager of a 14-person graphics production department of a newspaper chain (now owned by the Post, though acquired after I left). Plus two years as the graphics expert in an IT dept. Five years in the catalog production department at BOAT/U.S. A year as the catalog writer at Recorded Books. Plus my own use of Photoshop for since about 1985 (starting at, IIRC, Photoshop 2.5, pre-layers, pre-paintbrushes, pre-all those special effects, pre-Elements), including two advanced Photoshop workshops (one taught by Mr. Photoshop himself, Scott Kelby) and 10-year membership in Kelby's Photoshop society. So, yeah, I know a JPEG from a TIFF file, have debabelized a pixel or two in my day, have calibrated the temperature of the white in a SuperMac monitor at 6,000 degrees [why, I have no freaking idea] and have pondered the mysteries of cascading style sheets, bless their little hearts. I once drew horns and a goatee on a picture of Richard Nixon with a magic marker.

However, I confess I didn't examine the photo myself, having no particular desire to do so. Through the wisdom of the gummint [?] [the mad fools], I have been promoted to the point where I have people half my age do that sort of thing for me.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Cool, ryh (and howdy!). What a great gift, a Father's Day snake for dad. That's the kind of thinking I'd like to see in surprise gifts.

I could probably have done without the rattles & venom, though. This may have occurred to your dad as well.

Thanks for helping the snake, greenwithenvy. Usually I just get to help worms. You know how they come up on to the concrete after a heavy rain. Well, if you don't help them back to the earth they'll dry up.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Here's a nice article on Digital Fakery.

http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2005-09/can-digital-photos-be-trusted

Yes bc, I have heard tell of such persons as well.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 5, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The fixation on executive experience as the best preparation for the Presidency is wrongheaded.

(1) The President's legacy depends on things like passing laws, which means working with the legislature. It looks like an Obama presidency can imagine the same sort of trifecta that Bush had, one party holding both houses and the executive. I hope he handles it better than Bush did. A McCain/Palin presidency, however, will need to negotiate with an opposition Congress to accomplish anything lasting. That means that legislative acumen will be necessary. I'll agree that McCain has it, but Palin doesn't, according to published reports of her governing style in AK. We had a similar problem here in MD, when Schaefer (aka Willy Don, aka the Don) moved up from Mayor of Baltimore to Governer of Balti- I mean Governor of MD. Schaefer had enjoyed near-autocratic power as Mayor, but had limited legislative skills. Even though it was his own party in power in the MD legislature, it turns out that legislators don't like to be ordered around, and they have the power to express their displeasure.

(2) W. Need I say more?

Posted by: PlainTim | September 5, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

km2b: Your reference to the alcoholic family dynamic reminded me of Games People Play, Eric Berne, 1964, a popular little book on transactional analysis. In it he also wrote about the transactional process in AA, concluding that when everyone in the group had been "dry" for an extended period, the survival of the group depended on someone getting drunk again so the group could continue to have purpose. That may also be a reflection of the Republican orgy of renewed purpose occasioned by the selection of Sarah Palin, a saved messiah of the fundamentalist/evangelical branch of the party.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Greater chance doesn't mean teenagers *never* have Down's syndrome babies. I found quite a few examples on the internet.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 5, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh and km2b are onto something deep. I have noticed the weird sense of anger and fear and entitlement on the far right. And the alcohol, too, now that you mention it. At least anger and booze are known to link together.

Interesting article on image manipulations. I knew the Jane Fonda / Kerry photo was faked soon after it was released. I rechecked the Palin fake and the lighting was obviously wrong. That's just kid stuff by the usual idiots.

Posted by: Jumper | September 5, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Tim-

I prescribe Preparation P for that painful wrecktal itching associated with accepting nominations then spinning up and mounting Presidential and Vice Presidential campaigns.

Please feel free to send a box over to the McPain Campaign, but someone I don't trust is telling me they already have one...

Preparation P also works as a styling product for long or short hair and is rumored to be in use by the O'Biden team, possibly by the Veep candidate.

bc

Posted by: bc | September 5, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I meant to add gwe, rattlesnakes sound *very* different when you hear one in the wild, don't they?

Almost surreal.

bc

Posted by: bc | September 5, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

the republicans represent the rich, the reactionary, the rich, the racist, the rich, and the stupid.

they are angry at everyone who is not in one of the above groups.

they can all kiss my big, fact, poor, hairy behind.

just sayin...

Posted by: butlerguy | September 5, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

km2b said it, especially the Pogo quote. RD, while a lot of republicans (especially male) may thrive on anger, if you'll think to the conventions of years past, the winning conventions didn't bash the opponent as much as they focused on 1) external threats 2) wonderful promises of no new taxes and such.

Kerry's 2004 convention was quite militaristic and it actually kind of frightened me. Swift boat notwithstanding (knew it wasn't accurate).

I'll trust Yello's observations that this one came up short. Usually there is SOME agenda offered.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 5, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Reading this blog since last week, I noticed there was a rush to dig for dirt on Palin as soon as her name broke out as McCain's choice for VP.

Then came a continuous onslaught of post by many of the prominent members of this blog that trashed her family, propagated the wildest rumors and lies about her, and generally espoused hatred about her politics before she ever spoke a single word as McCain's running mate. Some predicted she would be dropped from the ticket, but they were dead wrong.

Is anybody with conservative leanings welcome here? It seems to be all democrat all the time. It amuses me that republicans are being tagged as the party of anger after reading the comments from the past week.

I find Palin and her personal/public life very fascinating. There may be others who share the same sentiment who read this blog but wouldn't dare share a positive opinion. I can see why, - this place is only inviting to left wingers.

Posted by: moderate, but extremely alienated | September 5, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Anybody catch Colbert's opening bit last night? "Hockey mom gives rousing speech, but has to spend 5 minutes in the box for high-sticking. Lots of red meat, if you include human sacrifice..."

And I found the "green screen dress" bit hilarious.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 5, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I agree about the anger being displaced fear, Padouk, though I wonder if there's a way to bring about another remedy - accept that no matter how hard they try, they cannot stop change. It's like the Republican reaction to their fear of another terrorist attack - we can give up every individual right we have and turn into a police state, but it still won't guarantee another attack can't happen. Better to protect those freedoms, accept that bad things happen, and live each day as best as we can.

I expect the chances of die-hard R's coming around to this sort of worldview are up there with pigs flying, etc.

Posted by: TEL1 | September 5, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

gwe, don't pick up rattlesnakes! Even with a long stick! Yikes! I have told my story before about walking in the Blue Ridge mountains and hearing a strange, loud, buzzing sound. It was coming from a huge rattlesnake that 2 rangers were carrying (from where it had been in a nearby parking lot). I got off the trail lickety split and cowered. I don't think I've been hiking in the Blue Ridge since, but that may just be a coincidence...

Shiloh's remark earlier:
"There is also the concept of circular change, as in an old expression: what goes around, comes around. Or circular in the sense of repeating the same errors over and over again as in "Same 'stuff,' Different day." And it will certainly be a different day if the sun rises in the west, as Palin foretold."

reminds me of the ironic Who song - Won't Get Fooled Again - Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 5, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I lost count of how many times McCain said the word "fight" and "attack" but it made me uncomfortable even though I was taken by his ability to give a speech considering it's not his forte. As for Palin, she's sure not in Alaska anymore. Considering I'm a west coast person who worries about those 1 in 4 people who drive by me on the freeway with a gun in their car...Wyoming, wow, what a great time of year to be there. Green with envy.

Posted by: lisa h. | September 5, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

No hate here. Just alarm and disgust at the choice made. I think the reaction wouldn't have been as intense 8 years ago.

The answer is in four letters. BUSH. Look at what that "Christian right" has done for the country.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 5, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"the republicans represent the rich, the reactionary, the rich, the racist, the rich, and the stupid."

Am I supposed to like hanging around people like this?

Posted by: moderate, but extremely alienated | September 5, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Me?

I just paste the heads of politicians onto movie posters. The rest of the technobabble might as well have been knitting talk. Please use those talents only for good and not evil, 'mudge.

Posted by: Mo MoDo | September 5, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

millbank's parody of the elite eastern media is funny today:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2008/09/05/VI2008090501238.html

Posted by: L.A. lurker | September 5, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

moderate, I'd say that most of who post here are more of a lefty persuasion, but I don't think many expressed hate toward Palin. Bewilderment and surprise, perhaps, but not hate. And she turns out to be way more mean-spirited, at least while speaking in public, than most of us. Comment away - we rarely stick to politics for long anyway, we value someone's silly quotient much more highly (speaking only for myself, despite the royal we).

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 5, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

moderate, but extremely alienated -

You could go hang out on another blog.

Posted by: Just sayin | September 5, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

moderate, anyone is welcome here. I think you'll have noticed that yello has stated a few times that he feels his socio-political background is different than most who post here.

I agree, Palin has an intriguing life story, but I find several parts of it (documented in archived mainstream Alaskan news articles) to be out of line with what I would consider appropriate for a national leader. When someone is presented to the country as an appropriate candidate with little or no supporting information, the media and interested citizens will do the research.

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 5, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Yep, moderate, you're welcome here! There's no doubt that there is a lot of leftleaning folks hanging around here, but I don't see too many angry people, just people ruminatin' on the meaning of life, which often means political opinions get expressed. You've undoubtedly heard some of us positing that there seems to be a sort of "do as I say, not as I do" mentality with some prominent Republicans. If you think differenty, as long as you're nice, we would love to hear from you.

Oh and you won't see Joel digging for dirt, you're just making that up!

Posted by: Kim | September 5, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh, dear -- my post was just captured by the censors. It was really, really innocuous, but I'll try again.

I have a friend up in the swing state of Pennsylvania, who was going to stay home and not vote at all in November. She was/is a disenchanted Hillary backer, but can't stand McCain and wasn't too crazy for Obama, either. But since McBush picked Palin, my friend told me that Palin scares the (and here's the word they wouldn't let me post) ***t out of her, and that the Republican party (for whom she has voted before) currently reminds her of the Taliban.

Therefore, she's gonna vote for Obama!!!!!

I have done my job, and I'm soooo proud.

Cool, eh?

Over and out.....

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | September 5, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Moderate etc, those are fair questions. If you've hung around here for long you know, as mostlylurking says, that we're not primarily a politics venue. Joel got on the political beat this year, and many of us are interested in the election, so we talked politics more than usual. There's lots of science stuff and a great deal of deliberate foolishness, on all kinds of topics. And c'mon, you have to admit the extended "moose" digression was funny - unless you're someone who doesn't think serious topics should be treated with humor. If that's so you won't like it here.
And if you've lurked for a while, or stick around, you'll find that "moderate alien" would be both funny and a very appropriate Boodle handle.

I don't like the "liberal" and "conservative" labels (I think Democrats are now the party of fiscal conservatism) but if that's what you want to use: from my observation we are on the spectrum from true liberal to moderate conservative. I don't recall hearing from any rock-ribbed conservatives here, but I haven't been around forever.

Why are we so interested in Palin? As I, among others, pointed out earlier, she's a complete unknown who has a better-than-average chance to be surprise president. We know who those other guys are.We weren't specifically going for "dirt", but for any information at all. Of course, being human, when dirt comes our way we poke at it. At least before her speech, I don't think it was "hate" or "anger" specifically directed at Palin. There's a lot of anger and some individual hate directed at the Bush administration, but at least around here that is from all sides of the political spectrum. The McCain Palin ticket is going to get some of that, and deserve it, insofar as they intend to continue basically the same policies.

As to the tone of the comments, I don't think pure politics plays as great a role as you may believe, unless you see everything through that lens. My observation is that the Boodle folk tend to be pretty acute critical thinkers, fans of accurate language and precision of thought (despite the hasty nature of our own posts), and not fond of cognitive dissonance. We tend to approach any topic we want to discuss seriously from those perspectives. There's a lot of cognitive dissonance and contradiction between word and deed associated with Palin and the Republican convention. Many Boodlers are scientists or with science backgrounds. They in particular, but not only they, take the whole "intelligent design" conundrum very seriously. Many of us have or are associated with children, and take issues surrounding family exposure to heart.

Stick around and sample some more. One thing I guarantee - we very seldom stay on topic for long.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

moderate,

Don't quite get your point. Who are you complaining about, the rich racist reactionary Republicans or the people calling them that?

We have a few moderate extremists around here. They can be rather ruthless.

And I don't want to be pointed out as the token right winger. I am way more RINO than anything else lately. It comes from hanging around online with too many lefties that talk sense.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Yay, ftb! Good to hear that.

I didn't think Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart would be crazy about Palin using Barracuda as her theme song:
http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2008/09/heart-responds.html

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 5, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

To 'moderate, but extremely alienated': the more conservative element here is pretty much exclusively represented by yellojkt. Come aboard, double the contribution!

There is a lot of pent-up resentment from being a 'voice crying in the wilderness' crowd for some time, and it is seeing some release. Although Joel has moved heavily into political territory lately (what with being a "National Enterprise Reporter" -- I forgot, is that still true?), he has a big following among the pointy-headed science geek crowd, myself included, because he does a lot of reporting on science and science policy. We (the geeks) happen to be strongly in favor of policies based on evidence and modified according to evaluation, which puts most of us staunchly in opposition to the Bush administration. Other Republicans get respect or derision on an individual basis, depending on their attitude towards evidence-based decision-making.

I have to agree, I was less than thrilled by the gleeful bantering over the ugly character of rumors about Sarah Palin. It undercuts a serious opposition to the Republican ticket when the opposition becomes associated with that sort of nastiness. I take this as a temporary boiling-over of pent-up outrage, I make the occasional post hinting at a little more moderation, and I expect that it will fade after a little while.

Stick around, stick up for your point of view -- just expect that you will be challenged to support it through logic and evidence. The lack of a forceful and intelligent conservative opinion also contributes to a lack of rigor in stating arguments for the liberal side, so it will help everybody.

Posted by: PlainTim | September 5, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry Mostly, I am always careful when dealing with creatures, especially the poisonous ones.

Off to work, everyone have a great weekend!!!

Please be wary of the storm this weekend and never ever drive through standing water.

Hoy Hoy

Posted by: greenwithenvy | September 5, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Anybody has a clue why the boss' heading for the mountains? Probably not an election thing as Wyoming is about as red as it gets, I think.
A follow-up on the bear DNA project?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 5, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

BTW, moderate, the "rich/racist/reactionary" quote that offends you was posted by somebody named butlerguy. Don't know who he is, but he's basically a one-time or two-time poster, just like you. He ISN'T one of the "regulars" you mentioned. Whether he'll stick or around or disappear into the sunset I have no idea. Be that as it may, he is as welcome as you. You are both drive-by trolls, at least until you settle in, post a few times, relax, get to know everybody, etc. We liken this place to a neighborhood bar where everybody knows everybody, and tends to share the same general body of opinion. Whether that's a good thing or not is up to you. But you wouldn't expect to walk into a neighborhood taproom in any older neighborhood as a stranger and outsider, and expect to have your contrary opinions heard and respected. You walk into an Italian bar, you better love Mother Teresa. You walk into an Irish bar, you better like U2 and James Joyce. You walk into a Polish bar, you better not start telling Polish jokes.

You've walked into our neighborhood bar. Have a beer. Relax. Try the cheesesteaks. If you don't wanna stick around, that's fine too, and you can be on your way and no hard feelings. Hey, how about them stinkin' Redskins?

But generally speaking, your observation is more or less correct: we do tend to be pretty much mostly dems and two or three moderates here. Maybe 80 percent of the time, we DON'T discuss politics -- but on the other hand, you've popped up in the middle of the Silly Season and the conventions, so you gotta expect a lot of umbrage in these parts. Bad timing on your part; not your fault, but we ARE in the midst of a four-year cycle.

We don't hate Palin, and most of us don't hate McCain, at least not on a visceral level. Now, we DO hate Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, and the last eight years, and your gonna have to figure out if you can tolerate that or not. But please don't bring in a lot of Republican talking points and expect much civility from us. Limbaugh isn't welcome here. Hannity isn't welcome here. Coulter is most especially not welcome here.

Most of the time we talk about science, art, some religion (very carefully), movies, a lot of cooking and gardening, and a ton of silliness. So if you wanna hang around for that, you are very welcome indeed - but the entrance price is you're gonna have to put up with us ranting quite a bit from now until Obama's inauguration.

If indeed you are a moderate, as you claim, I don't think you'll be too uncomfortable. But our view of Conservs is that they are anything but "moderate," and Palin is a far right-wing nut job, as far as we are all almost unanimously (with one exception) concerned. So if you wanna tell us how neat Palin is, yes, your gonna encounter a lot of flack. And no, we didn't need to hear her speech to have already formed an opinion about her.

It's your call. (But our neighborhood bar.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

That's why we hang out here - because when someone posts a question like moderate...alien[]'s (sorry mbea), we take it seriously and try to answer it.

Oh, and I forgot: we're very fond of food. You can get great recipes hanging out on the Boodle. You should see our Pi Day celebrations in March.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

firstimeblogger, aren't you happy the Mayor Kilpatrick saga is finally over? For the past year the Detroit media was All-Kwame All-The-Time. Now we can get back to our regular programming of mayhem, murder and traffic horror.
It got so bad I stopped watching US network news from Detroit and stuck with CNN and the Canadian network.

The Free Press has a bunch of summaries on the affair(s). It starts with hizzonor banging his chief assistant and ends up with the mayor in prison, guilty of 2 felony conviction, his lawyer license suspended for life and owing a million dollars to the city.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 5, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Shrieking denizen, I was in awe when I read the "deal" Kwame Kilpatrick got for that plea. Losing his office, losing his law license, no public office for 5 years AND jail time!!! That is one of the worst deals I've ever heard, particularly for a politician. They must have had him dead to rights, over a barrel, insert your own cliche here. I know Gov. Grantholm was probably going to throw him out of office, at which point he'd still be facing ten felonies, but even so - they actually got jail time. Assume he gets good time and doesn't do a full 120 days, that's still no walk in the park. Jail is nasty, wherever you are.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I know I can go somewhere else, but Joel cracks me up. He's one of the best at what he does.

On a political note, I think it would be unwise for those in the Obama camp to keep dragging Palin through the mud. If she comes out of it looking pretty and smelling like flowers, it could blow up in the democrats face.

And if I didn't know better, from all the discussion I've heard, I may be apt to think this election is all about Obama vs Palin. That too wouldn't go over to well with the democrats.

Yellow, when someone calls an entire population of people "stupid", it's a sign of their hatred toward them. Few people like to associate with angry people. Obama will have to deal with this issue in the upcoming weeks as I'm sure the republicans strategists will hound him with his past associations.

Posted by: moderate, but extremely alienated | September 5, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

And there you go. You all gave him undeserved respect, and decided to ignore it and continue being rude.

=P Serves you all right.

Posted by: One-Time Troll | September 5, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Make that *he decided to ignore it and continue being rude.

Posted by: Two-Time Troll, it'd seem | September 5, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Dear moderate but alienated, I don't think the posters on Achenblog come here because they are Democrats. I myself used to think I was a moderate and an independent. After 30 years of the right wing framing the debate (and thus the thinking) in this county, I discover that my beliefs are those of a dangerous god hating liberal. I'm voting democratic (may even vote straight ticket for the first time in my life) because there is no other place to go. If nothing else, Nader and Perot taught us that voting for a 3rd party candidate is a boon for the candidate you really didn't want to get in. My suspicion is that the A-blog is peopled by pointy-headed science types and people who like how they think; that want to know how the world really works, instead of trying to fit it into preconceptions, and that are delighted/amazed with each new discovery/revelation. Consider it a side effect of a good higher education (as opposed to a higher indoctrination provided by some establishments). Same with most journalists.

PS folks, you've just got to send your community activist TV ad suggestions in. Best idea I've heard in a long time, along with the "Jesus was a community activist, Pontius Pilate was a governor." Priceless!

Now to catch up on the comments that were posted while I was writing this...

Posted by: km2b | September 5, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, Kwame did the usual politico mistake: small indiscretion (not even a crime) followed by an extensive and criminal cover-up. Once in a hole he kept digging and digging, furiously. He even lost his cool and assaulted somebody. They don't learn, don't they?

I've got to confess the new mayor's name, Cockrel, makes me giggle each time I hear it as it pronunced like cockcroaches in French, "coquerelle". How appropriate for a man who represents the second generation this family of Detroit's politico.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 5, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

moderate alien, I'm so pleased to be regarded as a prominent member of this blog!

As Wilbrod pointed out, 8 years of alienation coupled with alarm and disgust.

In what way do you feel Ms. Palin will help lead us out of the Bush years?

She's already proven to be a maverick of convenience, spiteful and it bothers me that someone who promises to be a special advocate for special families has cut funding for disabled and teenage mothers in the past.

Actually, I was an Independent when I lived in Ohio and crossed over to vote for McCain in the primaries. That was then; now I don't think his policies will help us move out of the Bush years.

If they'd actually let her answer questions, perhaps there wouldn't be as much speculation.

Posted by: dbG | September 5, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm curious what Joel lost in Wyoming as well. Maybe he got an invite to go hunting with Dick Cheney and Gov. Palin. Don't do it.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

welcome moderate bea (shortening handles is a form of endearment, really) How far left or right anyone is here depends on where you're sitting. Our fair state's gov, the very disappointed T Paw, would be a moderate pro-life dem in many other states. In Florida they'd call him an out and out lefty. BTW, Pawlenty had all the right words, but when he first spoke of how wonderful McCain's VP choice was his face broke out in words like "I'm completely crushed."

Wish I had time to stick around but a busy evening awaits. I am a community organizer, and I'm responsible (today for checking on roof leaks).

Posted by: frostbitten | September 5, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Okay, moderate...alien[]! You've got the idea: "I know I can go somewhere else, but Joel cracks me up. He's one of the best at what he does."

You "get" Joel. That's the only real criterion here. He's the egg that binds the cake, the gelatin that holds the aspic, the flour that makes the roux. . . please make me stop.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

You forgot the last indignity Ivansmom, Mayor Kilpatrick's name will be erased from the zoo's water tower. Couln't close that deal either. The really threw the book at him.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080905/NEWS01/80905050

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 5, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Funny, km2b. Long ago and far away, Ivansdad used to think he was a Republican. Not any more.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't think moderate alien was being rude at all. What he/she said about calling folks stupid is correct.

We don't need to call anyone stupid. Those who are prove it all by themselves.

:-)

Posted by: TBG | September 5, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Reading about linguistics in the boodle today makes me wonder how bia is doing. I hope she's settled in to her new life and can find time to stop by here soon.

Posted by: TBG | September 5, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm far more anticommunist than the Republicans. They smooch commie derrierre. Stalin starved Ukraine, and now U.S. grain lies rotting on the ground while bread costs way too much, the trains are too busy shipping U.S. scrap steel overseas, and yet unknown amounts of ethanol are being smuggled into Russia from the U.S. The last President to push back even moderately, Carter, against commie human-rights violators, was excoriated by the Republicans. Stalinistic mind-control, Homeland Security departments, torture, and loss of freedom? Bush. Who are the biggest polluters in the world? Commies and Republicans. Who supports the biggest death penalty? Commie Chinese and Republicans. (And Iran.) The Politburo INVENTED McMansions: for themselves.

Posted by: Jumper | September 5, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I see a headline on the front page that says "Lead Pipe Program Suspended" and makes me think that Colonel Mustard and Professor Plum must be greatly relieved... or worried.

Either way.. I say stay out of the Conservatory.

Posted by: TBG | September 5, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I actually held back on posting that. But my pal just gave me a funny link so I posted that to clear the box for this: Elite Media
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2008/09/05/VI2008090501238.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: Jumper | September 5, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Am I really the only "regular" (and we won't go into the details of my PSA exam) member of the SAO-15 (and my membership card number is 42, which makes the whole SAO-15 thing kinda like the Group of 77 or the FAMU Marching 100) that is a registered Republican? I find that hard to believe. I know some of you are just too ashamed to own up.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Independent/Unaffiliated, depending on which state I was voting in at the time, yello.

I think we should replace the SAO-15 with the AchenPhalanx or something...

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 5, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

No, I didn't remotely think moderate was being rude, either. I thought his reply was fine. And I'm glad he stuck around.

I think moderate is correct from a tactical point of view that it would be very dangerous for the Dems to be seen tearing down Palin. I suspect Obama/Biden will continue to take the high road and leave her alone, and let the media and to a lesser extent the public destroy her instead.

I think the reason Palin has inspired so much ridicule and all the folderole that's been going on is that she is not perceived as a serious candidate, and so of course gets ridiculed and parodied. Had McCain picked Pawlenty, or Kay Hitchinson, or any of maybe eight or ten other very prominent Repu women he *could* have picked, we wouldn't have been seeing this ridicule. (Had he picked, say, Susan Collins, we wouldn't be seeing one iota of it.)

And part of the ridicule stems from the obvious shallow vetting process, which was a joke. A thorough vetting and a reasonably qualified candidate would never have sparked this kind of reaction. So basically in my view McCain pretty much brought it on himself. Bad non-serious candidate, bad non-serious process.

Some people think respect should be given automatically; others think respect needs to be earned. Both sides have some merit. (I tend toward the "earned" side myself. I don't "hate" Palin; I simply don't respect her.)

yello, Joel tends to be very circumspect about his work assignments, which I suspect is a Post newsroom rule, wehther formal or informal. I may even be talking a bit out of school, but he happened to mention casually that's been transferred over to the style section, but that he's also kind of the newsroom utility fielder, going here and there as needed. So I've given up trying to pigeonhole which desk he's working for on any given day. bc has talked to him a lot more than I have, but I think bc will forgive me for speaking for him when I say Joel just doesn't discuss what future projects he's working on. And we all know his scope is so broad that just telling us he's going to Wyoming gives us no clue whatsoever about what he's working on.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Yello - Think I've posted before that I am a RIPO, because where I live if you want a say in voting for candidates at state or local level, you have to vote in the republican primary. Didn't do that this year.

Posted by: km2b | September 5, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't camp in the Obama camp. I just donate money but am otherwise an unaffilated private citizen. And when we speak of political gossip, I remember "Benson," which I grew up on as my dad, a Republican, was a huge fan.

Some choice quotes:

Governor Gatling: It's harder to be a father than it is to be a governor. Of course, it's easier to get to be a father than it is to get to be a governor.

Benson: And you don't have to shake as many hands.

...
Clayton: Don't you people ever get tired of talking behind my back?

Benson: I don't.

...
And this, from the Korean veteran:

Benson: I'd like to propose a toast: To all men who die in war, it is in your memory that we pray for peace.

... And what passes for harmony within political camps:

Clayton: Benson, if brains were dynamite you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose.

Benson: Clayton, your brain is so small that you could put it in a Barbie doll's navel and still have room leftover for three Raisinettes and a list of your important accomplishments.

...

Senator Tyler: You're going to have to be nice to me if you expect my cooperation.

Benson: I don't expect your cooperation. Nobody expects your cooperation because you are an uncooperative little snot who only cares about his own importance.

On hypocrisy:

Benson: Clayton, if you're going to be two-faced, why do you wear the ugly one to work?

And the greatest statement ever about politics:

Clayton: Calm down, Benson. It's just politics.
Benson: It's not just politics, Clayton. It's people suffering.
Clayton: That's what politics is.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 5, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Although I am an insistent poster (can you tell I'm writing something I'm bored with today?), I am not a member of SAO-15* nor do I have a membership card number. I'm just pushy. I would thank moderate...alien[] for the promotion to prominent regular, but that would suggest I thought mbea was referring to me, and that would be immodest.

* SAO-15: (now defunct) Select Audience Of 15, the number of participants Joel
initially envisioned his blog would attract. According to Joel, “Ideally the blog will have only about 15 readers, but very intellectual, refined, sensitive readers between the ages of 18 and 35 and with large amounts of disposable income.”
[Source: Achenblog FAQ, http://boodle.wetpaint.com, etc.]

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"but very intellectual, refined, sensitive readers between the ages of 18 and 35 and with large amounts of disposable income",

Joel must just cringe everytime I post! :-)

Posted by: dmd | September 5, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

mudge,

I'm certain you're right. But it's still fun to speculate wildly. A little known personality feature of mine (because it is so rarely exhibited) is that I can be quite discrete with confidential information. It's when I'm completely in the dark that I'm a loose cannon. Joel would be better off just e-mailing me directly with his assignments and swearing me to secrecy.

If he had done that, his secret Sasquatch surveillance stake-out wouldn't have been spilled.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

My guess is he's going north to interview the grizzly bears and moose about their position on the McCain/Palin ticket, Yellojkt.

I wish him fun and gore-proof clothing.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 5, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Joel's investigating the stylings of pigeonhole desks, obviously...

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 5, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he's just got a hurricane phobia and is getting the hell outa Dodge.

Tho' he probably wouldn't leave the wimmin and chil'run behind.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

FYI, saw a satellite photo of Hurricane Ike. That sucker is ginormous.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Those boodlers in Virginia don't register with one party or another. But I can say that I am a card-carrying member of the Democratic National Committee. Really! I have a card and everything. In my wallet. I'll show you sometime.

Of course I also got a Certificate of Appreciation from the Bush campaign back in '04 for my support. I know what mailing list that was from; I'm embarrassed to admit it's from one of the publications we publish here at work.

Posted by: TBG | September 5, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Is there a Dead Zone in Wyoming?
Other than around Voldemort's Helper property in Casper that is.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 5, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

We know Joel is a manly meat-eater. Moose hunting? When does open season begin in Wyoming?

This is how rumors begin.

Posted by: moderate alien | September 5, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

To moderate but alienated: If you like Joel's writing but are alienated by the boodle, maybe the thing to do is jump in and mix it up a little. If you are to the right of the boodle, then as soon as you join it, the whole boodle moves incrementally rightward. See how that works? I myself am an extremist pinko bleeding-heart, tax-and-spend liberal, and I admit to being alienated some days by the [from my viewpoint] middle-of-the-road nature of the opinions here. But then I'm used to the feeling, since I live in the real world too. We all need to be able to interact with people who hold different opinions from ours, don't we? You'll get good practice defending your opinions, better than if you're in a group where everybody is in agreement and discussions are distilled down to code words and cliches.

Posted by: kbertocci | September 5, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Wyoming is mole of an elk and mule deer place. And it's waaaay too early.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 5, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

That's the spirit, mod al (short for you-know-who). :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 5, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I think what you were seeing with Palin is an extraordinarily condensed vetting period by the press. It's to be expected when someone tosses a relative unknown into the position of being one inhaled pretzel away from running the country.

Now, I would love to get to know more about her positions on various issues. I would love to get a better sense of her intellect and her ability to adapt. I would love to see if there is something behind the "compelling" narrative we have been so carefully presented with. But I haven't been given much opportunity yet, and I don't see the GOP allowing too many uncontrolled moments between now and November.

Because why on earth should they risk a good thing? It is in their best interest to basically treat her like some sort of "good will ambassador" to the Republican base.

She comes out, looks good, hits all the right talking points, and then goes back into her cocoon before those nasty elitists try to make her look bad by asking impertinent questions.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 5, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

kb, hope you have a great vacation! I think it's great that you're going to the beach...Of course, my definition of where you live is the "the beach".

Don't forget the antelope in Wyoming, sd.

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 5, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmon & dmd,

Pretty sure those initial requirements were relaxed substantially by the time I started paying my rather hefty weekly dues. After all, membership did include an autographed copy of 'Why Things Are, Volume II: The Big Picture', a certificate of membership (which looks great in the mahogany frame over the mantle), and special members-only urls not available to the general public (it recently changed to voices.washingtonpost.com to keep out the riff-raff).

It's really a great package and all I had to do was fill out a form with my financial information to verify I qualified and send it to the official SAO-15 headquarters in Lagos. I have been having a lot of problems lately with unauthorized credit card charges, but I'm sure that's completely unrelated.

And they keep promising that the special members only champagne room in The Bunker will open just as soon as I make my last building fund endowment pledge payment.

Plus I get all the insider info first. For example, the latest issue of the members-only newsletter had a photo of Joel shaking hands with Dick Cheney, the Dalai Lama, and Klaatu Niktu Barada at the SAO-15 Executive Board meeting.

Hey, aren't some of you guys really good with photoshop? You don't think I might have been scammed....Nah, couldn't be. Fluffitado Enterprises is a respectable, well established operation going back to the earliest days of the Bavarian Illuminati. It says so on their website.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I know.. it's funny to think someone in Southern Florida would head anywhere else to go to The Beach.

Have fun, kbertocci... stay away from Ike and Josephine!

Posted by: TBG | September 5, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Howdy, Mod Alien:

I am a prolife feminist (since 1978) and been a registed Democrat since I moved to Maryland (1983). In MD, until the brief reign of Erlich, the Dem game is the only one in town.

My first presidential vote for was Barry Commoner. I voted for Clinton once; Bob Dole the other time. I voted for Nadar instead of Gore and will vote for Obama.

One badge of both civility and thoughtfulness is having friends and conversation partners across all stripes. You can find that here.

BTW, my neighborhood bar is featured in today's WaPo here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/04/AR2008090401109.html

I helped vett the colors, so blame me, if you must.


And, Mod Alien, I hope you do not take offense at my clothing and hair comments about Sarah Palin. I think that appearance is part of rhetoric or the art of persuasion. Would it make you feel better if I said that the last pantsuit worn by Hillary was not such a good shade for TV? I am smiling at you and beckoning you over the bar stool. Water with lemon and lots of ice? Corona and lime? Anarchy Ale (a speciality of my bar).

Posted by: College Parkian | September 5, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Once upon a time a friend, in a huff, changed his voter registration to Democrat. He had had enough of his Republican so-called-allies paralyzing government with the Clinton sex witch hunt.

My sister in law, probably at near the same moment, decided the Democrats supporting a sleazeball sexaholic executive was unconscionable, and marched down and changed the card to Republican.

I watched and learned.

Posted by: Jumper | September 5, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Not that we don't have our code words and cliches here on the Boodle. They're just not political. More nonsensical, really, and proud of it.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I've been there, CP! It was sooooo tragic! HA HA HA!

Posted by: TBG | September 5, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Yello,

Sometimes we're so much alike it skeers me.

I'm not posting my boodlehandle lest I skeer you.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

and wolf, black bear, moose, bighorn ram, mountain lion, mountain goat, sage grouse, sandhill crane, etc.
If it moves it's game...

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 5, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

You know you're hooked when you accept the moniker :-)

This one is for you, moderate alien:
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2693

And whatever you do, DO NOT click to Tatsuya's current series...

Posted by: DNA Girl | September 5, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Was it kbertocci who was compiling a record of answers to a questionnaire, something like a year ago? I don't even recall the questions, but it provide a fairly good concept of what various Boodlers were like, mainly due to the non sequitur answers. I don't recall where those answers ended up. Perhaps moderate alien could contribute one of [its] own.

And yellojkt -- if you were discrete, you would be composed of distinguishable segments that are non-overlapping and distinct. I think that you might rather be discreet.

Posted by: The *Tims | September 5, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I've never voted for a republican in my whole life!

Posted by: Maggie O'D | September 5, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I'm both, *Tim.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

The *Tims, I love it when you talk math!

Posted by: dbG | September 5, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

*Tim, that questionnaire is on the boodle wiki--it's pretty outdated by now but people can fix that -- it's a wiki!!

http://boodle.wetpaint.com/page/Questionnaire+results

I wasn't the one who started the questionnaire--can't remember who it was...

Posted by: kbertocci | September 5, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Ever since Bush I's first run in '80, when I was pondering my eventual political identity, I have tried to vote for a Republican. In the same way, I always have tried to buy an American car. When I look at performance, reliability, stability, durability, and fiscal realism, however, I keep coming back to the Democrats. And Japanese cars. But at least I try to get the ones built in US factories. Same for the cars.

Posted by: PlainTim | September 5, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Maggie O'D, my vote for Barry Commoner gives me a pass to vote for Dole. Here is (was) the deal for me: KB is right. Democrats are centrist now, so much so, that what is a liberation theologian to do? Dole and Clinton looked very similar, so I decided to vote for Dole who was talking a realistic brand of health care reform, one that might have actually passes.

Posted by: College Parkian | September 5, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I never had good Nadar. Abling to see Greens from secret signals or familiar behaviors.

Posted by: Paavo | September 5, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

yellojkt - Life member of the NRA for 30 years, raised So. Baptist. Republican. I thought they were talking about me.

========
"They must have had him dead to rights, over a barrel, insert your own cliche here."

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 1:46 PM
========
Ivansmom - Cliche insertion is probably not what they had in mind.

DLD

Posted by: DLD | September 5, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Nope!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Just like selecting cable, phone and internet service, voting for a candidate is like choosing a bundled product. You can't always get exactly what you want, but you still have to decide.

I got a nice fat check from the gov as part of the Bush stimulus package that paid for the family vacation this year. I'll admit that I can be bought.

I think Palin is being groomed as McCain's salesperson. For that reason alone, I think she is a pretty good pick. Risky move on McCain's part though. We'll see what happens.

CP, you are a colorful person, I like what you say.

Oh no, I'm getting sucked in. I didn't plan on doing that.

Packing up and leaving for home. Bye for now.

Posted by: moderate alien | September 5, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Mostlylurking and TBG--I thought of you both when I was shooing the raccoon out of the guest room last night. Specifically, I thought, I probably shouldn't tell prospective guests about this incident...but oh well, discretion isn't my strong suit, apparently.

I have lived in Florida for almost 30 years but have done very little traveling within the state. That's because I live very close to the best beach in the state (Fort Lauderdale beach) and not too far from the best place in the state (Key West). But the idea of a quiet island in the Gulf just somehow appealed to us this year. We are going to stop in Everglades City on the way. That is a town with an interesting history. Maybe I'll blog about it. (Have to dust the cobwebs off the blogger site first...)

Now, of course, the hurricane situation is threatening our tranquility. My husband called in a panic a couple of hours ago. He wanted to be reassured that if our vacation was cut short I could come back to work and take my vacation days at another time. He was really worried and tense. I just told him to take a breath, and talked to him in a quiet voice--basically the same voice I used yesterday when I was taking the cat to the vet--("Everything will be fine. Don't worry about anything. It's going to be all right.")(He calmed down.)

I mean, what are the chances that the particular place where we are will be the place where the hurricane comes ashore? Who was talking about chance, oh yeah, Wilbrod, she said just because Down Syndrome happens more often in older women doesn't mean it never happens to teenagers. And I thought, really, what are the odds that a woman governor of Alaska would be a major party candidate for VP? For that matter, what are the odds that any particular thing will happen? I better stop now; I'm about to talk my way over the edge of my rhetorical platform.

Bye, I'm off for vacation. But I will be taking the laptop so I'll check in once in a while. Y'all play nice with the moderates and the alienated.

Posted by: kbertocci | September 5, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I think I started the questions that led to the WikiSurvey. Ironic, since my responses aren't in it. Or maybe I never gave them.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

///Nope!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 3:49 PM ///

Whew!!!

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I like the illusion that I'm on some mysterious assignment with important national security ramifications.

I'm actually doing a geology story out here, freelance.

Posted by: Achenbach | September 5, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I added the DVD wrap up on the convention to the kit, fyi.

Also, i hope everyone read Sally Jenkins this morning -- she can write up a storm on deadline.

Posted by: Achenbach | September 5, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I get back from some community budget organizing (volunteer type) and discover the boodle has begun to list to the right from moderate seas, Karen excepted, yello expected. (Ike, by the way, is bigger than Texas). Skimmed and will backboodle later, but astounded at the cursory instability of the boat.

Welcome, mbea and other drop-ins. Stay with us a while. I believe in equal opportunity offensiveness, but don't take it personally.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Best. Cover. Ever.

DLD

Posted by: DLD | September 5, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

If the Boss catches a moose he should empty, freeze, and FedEx me the guts. I have a friend who makes moccasins and she'd pay the freight I'm sure. If he can't freeze them then just stick them in the hotel ice dispenser and cool them down; that works great. In that case, send them over-night express.

Posted by: Boko999 | September 5, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Joel, don't destroy our illusions.

We know. They made you say that.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

A pair of side-cutters can be used to snip off the sinews. If it's not too much trouble, of course.

Posted by: Boko999 | September 5, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

kb,

You owe it to yourself to try Coquina. I was raised on the calm sedate Gulf Coast beaches, so I always found Fort Liquordale to be just a little too coarse, cold, and chaotic. There is something so sedating about the soft sugar sand of Sarasota.

And if the right word is "discreet", why does "discretion" only have one "e"? This spelling and grammar stuff makes my head hurt.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Modalien (or MBA, if you prefer), although I agree we are pretty uniform here in regard to politics, we are quite diverse when it comes to religion. Some here are very devout, and we go all the way to the far other end of staunch atheism (and/or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or FSM as we sometimes call it here). Got some Catolics (current or lapsed), got some Jews (current or lapsed), got a mix of Christians, though none of the evangelical or fundamentalist wings, as far as I know. Accordingly, we are pretty respectful of each other and are quite civil and tolerant toward each other in this regard. That being said, Cassandra is our Boodle chaplain, and she says benediction for us most mornings and many evening benisons, too. This is non-negotiable. And even most of the non-religious among us look forward to her doing that each day. And though we often discuss religion -- and often make various good-natured jokes about it -- we generally don't tolerate proslytizing, "witnessing," and evangelizing in any form, nor do we allow overt religion-bashing.

Likewise, we are pretty tolerant about most other matters, too (but then, I would expect that from a bunch of flaming knee-jerk, bleeding-heart liberals like us, wouldn't you), but we are *very* thin-skinned about any traces of racism, (true) sexism, homophobia, etc. (although we often joke about them, most especially sexism topics or "faux-sexist" stuff designed specifically to irk somebody).

When it comes to arts, though -- books, movies, poetry, music, etc. -- we are freakin' dy-no-mite. If the last novel you read was Jonathon Livingston Seagull, this is probably not the most conducive atmosphere. We are a spookily literate bunch. Also, we have five or six lawyers (yeah, I know; we tried to keep them out, but a couple of them wormed their way into our hearts before we found out how they make their livings), and at least as many hard-core working scientists (a.k.a. pointy-heads), plus our share of IT nerds and geeks. So there is very seldom a technical question that somebody here on the Boodle can't answer with some authority. We sometimes brag that "the Boodle knows everything."

We got some military, and though we may often bash the Pentagon, Bush, Cheney and/or the war, etc., and have our share of outright trouble-making anarcho-syndicalist off-campus pinko peace creeps (can I see a show of hands? sweet Jebus! look at 'em! It's like a freakin' SDS rally!), we don't bash rank-and-file serving men and women; quite the contrary.

Oh, and we have a talking dog, who is rather irritable and who writes haiku. Don't worry; he's had his shots. You'll run into him sooner or later.

And maybe 40, 50 of the sweetest, funniest people you've ever run into in your life. This is NOT a healthy place to be if you've misplaced your sense of humor. That's what we do instead of aerobics.

Now, we need to hear a bit about you: occupation? Approx. age? Gender? (Assuming male, but we've been fooled before.) General geographical location? ATM number? Spouse/sig. other/offspring? Distinguishing marks, tats, piercings? Sports/hobby preferences (as long as it isn't the Dallas effing Cowboys or effing doilies, Kinkade or Lladru).

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and believe it or not we have a woman mayor of a very small town in a far frozen northern state bordering Canada. Struth!!!

Only this one ain't nuts.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

For crying out loud, everyone's got a pseudonym but Achenbach, and we don't know that for sure.

Posted by: Jumper | September 5, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Tim, I think you've explained yellojkt's propensity for sock puppetry:
"And yellojkt -- if you were discrete, you would be composed of distinguishable segments that are non-overlapping and distinct."

Speaking of Pop Socket, Ron Paul was on the Colbert Report last night - Wilbrod mentioned that. I caught most of it - may have to watch again since it was late and I had a bit ot trouble figuring out what Ron was saying (so what else is new?).

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 5, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Oh. We got a bunch a furriners here, too.

I don't know how that happened. Carelessness, I guess.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 5, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Called away again for community organizational work, proofing the public notice and agenda for Monday night. They should really get somebody with executive experience for this kind of volunteer work. Sarah? Oh, that's right, you hired a city administrator.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

moderate alien, and there's always us furriners. Of course, we're a bad example since you could fit our entire political spectrum in the Democratic Party.

Obama is a Conservative in Canada.

Speaking of which, watching McCain and Palin gives me deja vu all over again. Alberta's governing party has successfully ran against the last guy from the same party three times.

Posted by: SonofCarl | September 5, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

As I told the kids a thousand times learn to close the frigging door behind yourself when you get out of the backyard if you don't want furriners to sneak back in Mudge.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 5, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Don't take off your shoes.
Jobs is on the way.

Posted by: Boko999 | September 5, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Geology in the vicinity of Grand Teton National Park might involve the movement of faults. If so, Joel should ask about the Gravity Faults of the Beartooth Plateau and vicinity, including Cody's Heart Mountain.

There's a nice commercialized whitewater spot somewhere around Jackson. Interesting how the sorts of rapids that frustrated George Washington's transportation schemes have become valued recreational sites.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 5, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Enlightened Dictatorship of the People by the nomenklatura of Alberta's Conservative Party seem to have done the Albertans some good economically SoC.
Well, there is the environment...

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 5, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

dmd,

You're 2:54 made me think of Click and Clack, the Tappett Brothers for some reason.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I did see My Hero on Colbert. Sounds like he is going to avoid the crowds and run for Prez in '09 instead.

Posted by: Pop Socket | September 5, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Joel, Teapot Dome and NPR-3?

moderate, I would say that there is hate on the Boodle. Just yesterday I got an e-mail through a Hotmail account from some truly disturbed person with the handle tapetester. *He referred to the Achenblog in the text of his (her?) message to me, then launched into misogynistic hate-spewed vitriol toward me, as a result of my remarks about Palin in the blog.

I've only e-mailed the two Bills ("you know who you are" to use Science Tim's words to me about a possible meet-up at the Menger) in the Prehistoric Age of the Boodle. How did this wacko get my e-mail address?

This morning, I thought about e-mailing Joel and informing him of the incident, but since Joel's heading for Wyoming, why not expose the creep here. I've already got one avowed Loomis-hater on the Achenblog. Now, apparently, I've got a cyberstalker (Joel is aware of the previous one) as well. *sigh*

Posted by: Loomis | September 5, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Ya know, Mudge, that was a lovely introduction to the boodle (but I don't think it'll all fit on the front of the brochure).

While I have glanced at other blogs, this is the one to which I remain loyal -- you know, the family one picks instead of (or in addition to) the family one got stuck with. The other ones are vituperative and just plain annoying.

And Modalien -- please come back and boodle with us. We don't bite unless the circumstances and context require it. And at least Wilbrodog has all his shots. That should cover the rest of us.

If you're local, please come down to the Mega BPH on October 4th. Even some furriners are gonna come to it. No passport necessary.

Enjoy the hurricane tomorrow, folks.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | September 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, we also have knitters and a goth-girl, batty-mad programmer, and PLANT PEOPLE. Dave of the Counties is one of the Planto-philes. He is helping us make sense of the flora out where JA (boss-man with static hair issues) is headed.

DotC -- have you read this John McPhee book?
http://www.johnmcphee.com/rising.htm
Rising from the Plains?

JA would like this book too, for his piece.

Posted by: College Parkian | September 5, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Looks like rain from outlying swirls coming in 5 minutes here in Carolina. Wish us well, all.

Posted by: Jumper | September 5, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Loomis, You are welcome here, more so than you deserve. You bring hard things on yourself because you can be very mean.

Posted by: Anon to be safe | September 5, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Take care down south, Jumper, Slyness, Jack, Cassandra, and KB. Rain is coming to DC, to but these storms are somewhat subdued by the time they hit the Chesapeake.

Posted by: College Parkian | September 5, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Every morning the patients in Canadian hospitals are forced to sing:

Arise ye workers from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth the old tradition
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

Refrain:
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.

No more deluded by reaction
On tyrants only we'll make war
The soldiers too will take strike action
They'll break ranks and fight no more
And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
They soon shall hear the bullets flying
We'll shoot the generals on our own side.

No saviour from on high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear
E'er the thieves will out with their booty
And give to all a happier lot.
Each at the forge must do their duty
And we'll strike while the iron is hot.

Posted by: Boko999 | September 5, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Loomis, I'm very sorry to hear that. I have difficulty believing that "tapetester" is anyone but a lurker. For one thing, any regular who got that mad at you about a post would just call you out on the Boodle (as has happened before), or ignore you completely (as has also happened). In any event I hope you get rid of him or he is fulfilled by that email and goes away. That is the downside and nightmare of the Internet. I'm glad you let us know about it here. As you know that is definitely not Boodle approved behavior.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 5, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm back. Town Hall is only two blocks away. Quick and easy job. One of the realities of working is small, rural communities dawned on me after my work in DC was done and I came back to Florida. I was writing the ten-year comprehensive plan for a small city and quickly realized that the Mayor, who then had been a member of the city commission for over 25 years, was functionally illiterate. He could neither read nor write. I've encountered that several times in local politicos, including in the little town where I now live. The amazing thing about the functionally illiterate Mayor was that he had an astounding memory of every action that had taken place at commission meetings and in the town over his 25 (later 35) year tenure. He was a great asset in writing the city plan. It was the most remarkable case of institutional memory I ever encountered and when he died, the city floundered for several years. You learn quickly in community organization work to never underestimate the people you are working with.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh,

You too, take care on the weather there.

We need a big push pin map of boodler locales!

Posted by: College Parkian | September 5, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

One more tip for new persons: when I first dipped my toe in these waters (which was quite recently), someone posted this link:

http://boodle.wetpaint.com/page/Achenblog+FAQ?t=anon

I have found it quite helpful!

Posted by: KPage | September 5, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, CP, I try to stay on top of the forecasts.

This is not happy sailor (or camper) weather for the eastern seaboard including NC, VA, DC, MD and points north. TS Hanna is coming and may convert to Cat. 1 hurricane before landfall.

Hurricane Ike remains at Cat. 3 and is looking at the Florida keys, SE FL and then the Gulf. I'll worry after family there reports, providing they still have power.

Josephine appears Bermuda bound, but anything can happen with a Josephine, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Loomis, there is a Linda Loomis at oswego (SUNY) who has her e-mail address on the internet. Since you identify yourself as being from Texas, San Antonio in particular, and you previously signed your posts with both names (long ago), it wouldn't be hard to track your email down if somebody really wanted to try.

That they did is scary. I've had this problem before and my only advice is to change your e-mail address immediately and never post or use a private e-mail address for the internet, but maintain a "spam e-mail" address. I also advise against using your name in any portion for the e-mail address as well.

In addition, I'd encourage you to block all incoming e-mails so any efforts will only bounce back at the e-stalker.

That will take care of the problem and safeguard your privacy once again.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 5, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Linda I get a ton of spam at work and very often the subject will be on a topic that would normally interest me or has some relevance to something I read.

The contents of the emails a collection of spam. The To in the email is always a variation of one of my work email accounts that get through our filter. Do not even get me started on our so called IT expert!

I am sure that must be a very unnerving experience and hopefully it was random spam and not someone targeting you.

Posted by: dmd | September 5, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

WaPo or Mozilla Firefox bandwidth must be severely taxed. My 6:04 took 15+ minutes to get space.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Dogs have bad days like anybody else, Mudge.

Bird dog likes two grouse
Flying out before dawnbreak
With empty stomach.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | September 5, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

When was the questionaire taken? Why don't I rememeber it. More to the point, why are the answers I would have given shown there for me? I'm soooo confused.

Welcome aboard mod.

Loomis I'm soory to hear that someone would do something like that. We may not always agree with you, we may not always like you, but you're still a part of the boodle family, and thats just wrong. When I read your commentary on Palin, I thought it to be tinged with a bit of sarcasm, and found it humorous. Now maybe I'm just reading it as if it were a Canadian writing and not a Texan, but that's what I read.

Good luck with the stormy weather down there everyone.

'Mudge, CP you forgot to mention random nerds and ne'er-do-wells. We like it here too! ;)

Everyone try to have a good weekend!

Posted by: Kerric | September 5, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Candles and hellhound
Create warmth in the evil night
Of Sinfest comics...

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2904

Posted by: Wilbrodog | September 5, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

In the last six weeks I've racked up over 1500 blocked emails from phishers from around the globe. I would be a multi-billionaire by now if I had paid their shipping, qualifying, attorney, notary, doc stamp and other fees and supplied the requested info. I hate to change the email address I've had for almost ten years, but the phisher kings have found me and the mail is not enjoyable any more.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Joel - nicely done what with the "geology story" explanation. I think you have 'em all fooled.

Hope everyone has a great weekend!

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 5, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh...

The moral of that Phisher King tale is to always consider those who might see before you "Free up the little guy! Let him flap in the breeze!"

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 5, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I went to an Assemblies of God picanic oncte.
Imagine being in a roomful of Pat Robertsons, with a sprinkling of Robert Tiltons babbling in tongues.I think stifling my laughter helped me keep from getting too creeped out. There were some seriously spooky people there all in direct contact with The Big Guy, prophesying away at each other {How many times does Pat Robertson have be wrong before we get to stone him? I'm picking small ones and relying on speed and accuracy
].
They have more demons than than the Pope has saints and not just your wussie metaphorical demons, but real live ones from the bowels of hell with names and everything.
I didn't see any snakes but the chicken was excellent.

Posted by: Boko999 | September 5, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Joel, since when does one go photographing rocks from a black helicopter? Those National Geographic passports don't fool anybody.

Gone fishing.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Since I'm new to the boodle, I'm not sure of the proper etiquette when posting links, but I couldn't pass this one up (from the San Francisco Chronicle):

"Wonka of Weed Sentenced"

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/05/BAGS12OSPG.DTL&tsp=1

Posted by: TEL1 | September 5, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

You done good, TEL1.

It's starting to look fairly ominous here in Tidewater...sounds like it will be like a bad nor'easter. We've been getting bands of heavy rain for the last couple of hours and lots of clouds in every shade of gray whirling across the sky. I went into the grocery store this afternoon...big mistake! I wasn't tropical storm shopping, didn't even think it was necessary, I just realized that we didn't have a certain ingredient for dinner. The place was a madhouse. Of course, I caught the fever and bought more wine and beer. We're set!

Posted by: Kim | September 5, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

You got it figured out, TEL1. Love the names of those candies...

Buddafinga, Mr. Greenbud, Stoners, Munchy Way, Rasta Reece's and Puff-a-Mint Pattie.

Posted by: TBG | September 5, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Ironic as a senator recently proposed a bill to decriminalize marijuana at the federal level, TEL1.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 5, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey, hasn't Joel posted that photo previously?

Posted by: Jumper | September 5, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Jumper... http://blog.washingtonpost.com/achenblog/2008/07/random_stuff_8.html

Posted by: TBG | September 5, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

kerric:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/achenblog/2006/11/strategy_misdirection.html

Scroll to 10:21 a.m.

Posted by: kbertocci | September 5, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

That's a lot of grounded glaucoma test pilots. It also reminds me that I have an episode of 'Weeds' to watch.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Another frustrating day of not being able to join in the fun. I’m ‘unenrolled’ which equates to Independant here in MA. I once voted for Republican William Weld for governor because the conservative Democrat John Silber running against him was bash-t crazy, corrupt and a misogynist. Otherwise, I vote Democratic and have contributed to Obama (the first time I’ve ever contributed to any campaign). I have a few Repubican friends and I like them a lot, we just don’t talk politics.

Moderate Alien, the main reason I started contributing here was the civility of everyone (with an occasional exception usually from a troll). The main reason I stay is the civility and the intelligence of all here. And of course Joel, who is by turns funny, smart, silly, thoughtful and always interesting. Hmm, that also defines the people here. I’ve met Scottynuke and Slyness, both are great people and I look forward to meeting a whole bunch more in October. I’ll never be as smart or as funny as most here, but no one ignores, belittles or shuns me for it. It’s a pretty ‘safe’ place on the Internet, and that’s rare enough by itself.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 5, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

kb beat me to the survey link. New boodlers are welcome to complete the form. It earns you Super Secret Double Probation Membership in the SAO-15 2008 Pledge Class. Answers are on the honor system and subject to embarrassing recurrences at the most inopportune time.

Handle:
State, province, or country of residence:
Gender:
Age:
Marital status:
Number and ages of children:
All degrees and granting institutions:
Names and types of pets:
Social Security Number:
ATM PIN:
Glaucoma Test Pilot License Status:
Favorite punctuation symbol:

And no, I haven't ever formally filled it out myself because most of the relevant information is online somewhere already if anybody cares to find it.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

LindaLoo, as you should know by now, trolls and stalkers lives from the reaction of the trolled or stalked. It's their oxygen.
Take a deep breath, as we mostly do when you cross the line. And good luck.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 5, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

painted hellhound snarls
smarty pants pooch need not fear
brains win over brawn

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Yello: Not on your life. Not even for $280,000,000.00 (less a $195 fee) in Nigerian dollars, would I ever consider such a survey - and you are offering nothing except participation in the boodle that is free to all (after payment to a paypal site to be announced). Of course it's all online somewhere. In a plethora of people in as many countries that e-mail me every day. Is this the MD phiser? The competition is not welcome.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

MD Phisher

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh,

If you read the original post from 2006 or the wetpaint archive, you will see that creativity in avoiding personally identifiable information is one of the judging criteria.

I have very well delineated mental zones of what I do and don't reveal online. It will eventually prove to be too much, but so far so good.

And participation is purely voluntary. If I were to answer it, it would probably be exclusively in links to specific posts on my blog.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Loomis, I'm sorry this happened to you, but I think you'll find out how they found you if you just google your name. The possibility of this happening is also why it's a bad idea to post the full names of people you meet--it's not fair to them, it also exposes you.

Wilbrod's advice is very sound. Change your boodlehandle as well. We'll know who you are, but it would make it harder for someone new coming in to be sure.

Posted by: dbG | September 5, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Yello,

Where should I direct the money?

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I received a phone call from a 9th grade classmate today-someone I haven't seen since the last day of 9th grade. What the Internet hath wrought. He was able to find me despite two last name changes because my maiden name is mentioned in Mr. F's command bio from '05.

Toodles boodle, trying to stay awake for our stupid PBS station's delayed showing of Washington Week then I'm going to collapse and sleep for 12 hours. Who knew the RNC would be so tiring?

Posted by: frostbitten | September 5, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh good, the boss is doing a geology story. I like rocks. I hope we get to read it.

When Sarah Palin stiffens her upper lip, wags her finger and holds a sharp object, I would be afraid to stand near her. If she is holding a paper weight, I’d standing very far away. I was just observing her body language …

Posted by: rainforest | September 5, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I've tried to backboodle, and just can't do it. Too much. When I left home this morning we had a 6 comment Boodle, and now? Something like 230.

I like alienated (and there was another emergent lurker, also very clever). I should like to call out yello and Curm' and kbert. Kbert, if I were an American I'd likely be a Dem, but I'm so far left leaning (pinko) that I nearly fall off my chair that way. I'm all about arts funding, same-sex marriage, social programs for the poor and otherwise marginalized...

But I think it is great for us if we get new people who don't fall into line, and yet can argue respectfully. So hi! alienated.

I'm now in Montreal, visiting with #1. She looks great, and is speaking French, and moving about this lively city in a happy way. I'm happy to be here. Round 'bout 10:00 pm I walked her to her Metro stop. Lots of people on the street, happy feelings. Then I walked back to my hotel, feeling happy. No problem.

In Calgary, after dark, the downtown is ceded to the marginal. Here? Everyone is out.

But is it ever hot and humid. My giant face is red and I look like an explosion ready to happen.

Posted by: Yoki | September 5, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh,
We'll arrange a cash-drop in Foxstone Park. Small bills only. Come alone.

fb,
That pesky dropping the maiden name thing has kept me from getting back in touch with plenty of old high school girlfriends late at night. They don't know what they are missing. My wife did find my old college roommate online.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Curm?

Posted by: Curm? | September 5, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like #1 is settling in well Yoki - please pass on my best wishes.

Think a relief is in the temps should happen this weekend.

Arts funding is great - I also support funding sports - I do not support pitting one against the other. When is that election writ dropped :-)

Posted by: dmd | September 5, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Great, yellow. I'll set the date. Joel will use the boodle to communicate. Look for "New Kit."

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Whirring overhead.

dark

indiscernible


Run, Yello, run.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 5, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, it's cold and dampish here. I hope some of that heat comes along here.

I suppose it is possible that this has been triggered by all the heat an Alaskan politican is getting. In that case, the cold gloom would be due to Pawlenty being passed over.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 5, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Late night Boodle free associating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FM3Z2NEowo

Posted by: yellojkt | September 5, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

The Daily Show is particularly brilliant tonight.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | September 5, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh I knew I forgot something. Thanks!

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 5, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey everybody. We're home after a busy day and evening. No rain here yet, but Cassandra's getting some and it's on its way and will be here soon.

I wouldn't say I'm totally caught up on Boodle-reading but you folks had quite the afternoon and evening. Welcome Modalien, stick around and enjoy the fun!

Our evening activity was to visit with Mr. T's cousin whose husband died three weeks ago. A great loss, and she's in the throes of a terrible grief. We had a good visit, and I hope our presence helped.

G'night. If I don't go to bed now, I'll be a basket case tomorrow...

Posted by: slyness | September 5, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

LL: What everyone else said. We've been having light showers from Hannah's outer bands, and have a SW'ish wind. The clouds are soft and are moving rapidly. I expect that things will deteriorate somewhat through the night, but thankfully, the storm won't cross our neck of the woods as was predicted as recently as Wednesday. Ike is the one to be wary of. Welcome TEL1 and mod al. As the Good Commander once said: "You've come to the right place."

Posted by: jack | September 5, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

I have shared my email in the past by directing people to my storytelling website. Unfortunately, I have not gotten around to reconstituting it since changing service providers. I'm lazy that way. However, Loomis, you can include me on the list of folks with your email -- I still owe you some information about my trip to Utah, and have owed it for about two years. I haven't forgotten, but I am a demon procrastinator. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten fired yet, I still have offspring, and I still travel a lot for work. These things get in the way of answering all my old email.

Let's see, what do I refuse to share on the web? Let's lay it out:
(1) gender of offspring
(2) names of offspring
(3) age of offspring
(4) I try to make sure that it takes some effort to link my last name with my presence here.
(5) address

For those villains out there who consider that the ability to acquire information constitutes de facto legitimacy to use it however you like -- please note that I don't consider my modest security efforts to be a significant barrier. They're in the realm of "keeping honest people honest", which is all I ask.

Posted by: StorytellerTim | September 6, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

I've often pondered why a cat, when presented with a freshly filled water bowl, will instead demand access to a just-used shower.

Then I realize I need a second cup of coffee.

*off-to-the-store-in-my-trust-sou'wester Grover waves*

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 6, 2008 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' all...

Pre-Dawn Patrol Report: All is dark and quiet (except for the last of the partying crickets).

I'm really starting to like this waking up at 4:30/5:00am thing. I don't *need* to get up this early -- I just do -- and I fought it at first, but boy do I get a lot of stuff done before everyone else wakes up and gets the daily random mayhem generator started.

It's so nice to just ease into the day instead of jumping out of bed head-first into a whirlwind.

I think I'm going to ease on over to the kitchen for another mug of mud, then ease out to the shop to putter a little, then ease back in for a refill before getting to the real work of the day.

Peace out, babies... this gnome is gellin'... ;-)

Posted by: martooni | September 6, 2008 6:14 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning,morning, friends. It is raining and windy here, and lots of rain. I was outside about five o'clock this morning just to take a look-see. I thought I might have to swim out of the door, but it doesn't look too bad, of course, that could all change when it is seen in the morning light.

RD

I read your comment wherein you talk about Repubs being angry. You said they have this protection mentality(seige) and that is the reason for the anger. They want to protect themselves from what? The reason for the guns and the anger is what? Who are they afraid of? What are they afraid of? If it's fear, then the thing they fear is controlled by the use of fire arms? And if it's fear, then whatever(whoever) causes this fear is justified in this fear-causing act? I know, a lot of questions, but I really would like to know the answers or answer.

Slyness, did I mention we're getting lots of rain?

Mudge, Martooni, Scotty(hope you're feeling better), and all, good morning.*waving*

I've been up so long, I think I need to go back to bed. I don't know how long the rain will be around, but I'm staying in until it looks better. Have a great weekend, folks.

I've had the swim.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 6, 2008 6:43 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. The graveyard shift was quiet. Yes Yoki, his hot, humid weather is strange at this time of year. We haven't had any during the summer then boom, there it is for the last week of August and the first of September. Right now, we have a tropical shower that the specialists say is from the remnants of old Gustav. Well travelled rain that is.
I can't get over the bad luck of Haiti. It looks like not a storm or hurricane fails to hit one part or the other of the island.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 6, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Morning alll... trying to figure out if it's worth sitting in the rain at a football game between UVa and Richmond. Hmmmm.... I think not. Too bad.

Cassandra... I know you directed your question to RD, but I'd like to offer my answer... I think what they fear most is change.

Posted by: TBG | September 6, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm watching Jon Stewart on the Tivo this morning.

They've done a brilliant side-by-side comparison of McCain's acceptance speech with Bush's RNC acceptance speech in 2000. Some of the lines are practically word-for-word identical.

Posted by: TBG | September 6, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

hey youse guys, stay dry over there.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | September 6, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Oh wait.. the Daily Show just keeps getting better.

Posted by: TBG | September 6, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra - They are afraid of the government taking their money and wasting it. The are afraid of terrorism. They are afraid of communism. They are really afraid of the Chinese. They are afraid of a "nanny government" taking away their freedoms to keep them "safe." They are afraid of crime. They are afraid of what they see as decadence in the form of foreign influences. And yes, as TBG points out, some are just afraid of change.

Not all of these fears are irrational. I am sure many of these things are scary to all of us as well. The problem, as I see it, is that the fears become so extreme that the solutions proposed can easily be far worse than the threat.

Further, of course, when people becomes so obsessed with protecting that which they find important, it is easy to stop paying attention to the needs of those who don't have so much.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 6, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Morning, all, we're moving slow here.

Not a drop of rain here, Cassandra. I'm trying not to be terribly disappointed. Of course, we had flooding last week, so a lot of rain would be counterproductive.

Okay, let me take a deep breath and start the day.

Posted by: slyness | September 6, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

And that pesky CNN just has to keep fact-checking narratives and stuff...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/alaska-state-jet-didnt-fly-on-ebay/

*shrug*

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 6, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

One more thing Cassandra, specifically about guns. I know several NRA members who sincerely believe that the ability of law-abiding citizens to keep guns serves as a deterrent to crime and keeps the government in line. Their fear of these things is far greater than their fear of the guns.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 6, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

College Parkian,
I read the whole McPhee geology opus. "Rising From the Plains" is superlative.

Loomis's problems are regrettable.

RD, the Financial Times has a column on the evolution of creationism--I very much agree that there's a lot of dislike/resentment of experts in the US. Kind of oddly, that dislike seems to drive the evolution of American religion. Years ago, university-based theologian Reinhold Niebuhr was seemingly an important public figure. Today, he wouldn't have a chance. It all seems to be pop culture now.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 6, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

i just watched jon stewart, too. if you missed the gender card clip from earlier in the week, i highly recommend it.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=Sarah-Palin-Gender-Card

Posted by: L.A. lurker | September 6, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

For conspiracy theory crackpots like myself, here is the slightly tongue-in-cheek official Bristol/Trig cover-up time line:

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2008/09/the-authoritative-trig-palin-conspiracy-time-line.html#entry-more

There's those helicopter blades again. Gotta go.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 6, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

We’ve measured 2” of rain and this is apparently just from feeder bands of the storm. I love the Daily Show. There was a bit last night where they interviewed Repub delegates about the definition of small town values. It reminded me of a J-walking segment on Leno. Stupid should hurt.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 6, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Good morning Boodle. There's no hope for me in catching up by backboodling.

Posted by: Brag | September 6, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Morning, all. Slyness, the lady (she's great) in my sister's column is one I occasionally have a Breakfast Club with, when my sister and I manage to arrange it. (it's her deal, I mean when I manage to haul across town Saturdays and show up which I didn't today) and I see she's retiring from public service soon. If you like meeting folks you're invited any Saturday. Think you'd like it and them.

I see D.C. is getting slammed by rain now; good luck & hope your internet & power stay on, and branches stay on the trees where they belong. I must go buy gasoline. The old dude's mower which I got running for a while yesterday, gave out again so I have to do some push mowing. So again house painting will get short shrift. I'm taking it slow but nursing that @#%&* mower takes too much of my time & energy.

Joel never has put together a permanent link list but perusing an old column of his looking for something else I found a bunch and got captivated by this one:
http://www.damninteresting.com/

Posted by: Jumper | September 6, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Jumper, I read that story this morning in the dead tree edition and was fascinated. It's people like Jan who make the world work as well as it does.

Thanks for the invite. I may have to show up one day.

Posted by: slyness | September 6, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Spent the afternoon and evening with friends, and am backboodling furiously with Formula 1 Qualifying live from the wonderful old track at Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium. (Update: my mancrush, Lewis Hamilton, took pole position - again)

LL: I'm sorry to hear of your cyber-stalking troubles. I one of those who has your email address. I have not mishandled it, and keep my anti-virus software up to date.

Having said that, as others point out, there are records of your presence across the Internet, all over the world. And there's something to consider about the nature of email: Internet email is a cooperative system by which mail exchange servers on the 'net operated by *anyone* - private citizens, public and private institutions, governments, etc. - store and forward email to each other, seeking servers that accept mail for the destination domain indicated in the email addy (the part after the '@' sign), as managed by the Internet's Domain Naming System (DNS) servers.

Note that I said "store and forward." Any message that is stored as well as forwarded *can* be copied to an offline storage system for analysis and retrieval later. To make a long story short, there is no telling what, where, or how much information about any email anyone sends on the 'net is recorded and stored.

And how much can be retrieved by savvy Internet users...

Or, by governments who have near-unlimited budgets for data storage and can gain access to and/or control nexuses (nexii?) of the Internet infrastructure under aspects of FISA and the Patriot Act.

Ideally (ahem) you'd need to collect *all* of the Internet/email data if you don't know exactly what you're going to need to sift through as you're mining for suspicious terrorist activities later, warranted or not...

bc

Posted by: bc | September 6, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Morning all, soggy morning here, got soaked taking the dog for a walk but still quite warm here so I won't complain, it is supposed to clear up before too long.

Found this new quiz on the G&M, a daily quiz on the upcoming Canadian election and history, amused me to know end but since I get amused easily not a surprise. If anyone is bored a fun try - would say the questions might be somewhat difficult for non Canadians but with this group you never know. (I got two out of 10 wrong - one history, one current)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/v5/content/politics/globechallenge.html

Posted by: dmd | September 6, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

And is for Frosti especially but not exclusively the G&M has a political hub starting today for our election, and saw this article by Rick Mercer.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080906.wrick06/BNStory/Front

Posted by: dmd | September 6, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

4/10, sadly I'm sure Canadians would do far better on a similar quiz about the US.

dmd-Thanks for the heads up on the Rick Mercer column. I love his political pieces, and "Rick's Rant" but the part of his show I really love is where he goes to a town, event, factory, or whatever, and then attempts to do an activity with coaching by the resident experts. If I shared Harper's asthma affliction he would have killed me with the kite skiing episode last season- here it is for deprived Americans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U52BvwCRr2U

Posted by: frostbitten | September 6, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra:

I think the root of republican anger is fear, fear of change, fear of losing their platform to another party, fear engendered by their political leaders and fear as here further explained by a great president in his first inaugural address:

"So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days."

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The mortgage crises just gets scarier. And doesn't really lend itself to the kind of simple philosophical interpretations of which politicians are so fond.

And the dang rain's gonna make the 'maters split.

Oh well. So long as the sump pump keeps working.

CP - Hope you are weathering this, um, weather without problems with your sump pump.

And can anyone tell me why a dog that clearly needs to relieve herself refuses to do so on wet grass? Even when her loving owner is standing there with a huge umbrella getting stinkin' wet?

'Nother reason I'm so partial to bunnies.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 6, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Daily Show heads-up, TBG. The Reformed Maverick movie was genius.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 6, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Our local humor columnist Michael O'Rourke (a personal Tale of Two Cities for this scribbler since he spends about as much time here as he does in Hollywood, writing there) has penned a zinger for today's paper, titled "Politics? I elect to be cynical."

I think the piece deserves a wider audience, so I'm posting several grafs from toward the end--unfortunately they don't reflect his desire, expressed in the article, for a viable third party in American politics:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/life/columnists/michael_orourke/Michael_ORourke_Politics_I_elect_tobe_cynical.html

There is a reason the term “Politics as usual” is rarely used to sum up a positive situation. “Politics as usual” tends to be uttered when a situation is unfair, heavy-handed and based on untruths.

For most red and blue people, the only way they would change their vote would be, to paraphrase former Louisiana Gov. Edwin Edwards, if their candidate was “caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.” The truth of the matter is, even then, they would probably vote their party and work extra hard to accuse the other party of sneaking the dead girl and/or live boy in there. Yep, it would be politics as usual.

One of the things I enjoy most during presidential conventions is the lying. The next day fact checkers confront the lies told by both parties and print the truth, but no one seems to pay attention. A great public service would be if all politicians were hooked up to lie detectors during their speeches. The problem with that is the constant sound of the lie alarm would drown out all of the content.


Posted by: Loomis | September 6, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

It's been raining in earnest here for a while now. Seems to be pounding harder now. CP.. I echo the hope that your sump pumps are working today.

We've decided not to go to the UVa football game today (duh). We've got a Tivo filled with several Monk and Rockford Files episodes... what more could we want?

Posted by: TBG | September 6, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

One of the things I enjoy most during presidential conventions is the lying. The next day fact checkers confront the lies told by both parties and print the truth, but no one seems to pay attention. -Loomis @ 11:01

Adlai Stevenson was once told by an aide that every thinking American supported him.

"Not enough," said Stevenson, "I need a majority."

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

martooni, last night I was at a place called the Forget-Me-Not Factory. I urged them to consider Fairy Doors for their inventory, and gave them some information to help them google you. In case it slips their minds, however, try this: http://www.forgetmenotfactory.com/

Posted by: StorytellerTim | September 6, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

4/10 on the Canucki politics and history quiz. They just don't cover this stuff in 'For Better or For Worse".

Posted by: yellojkt | September 6, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

What good is a lie detector on someone like Sarah Palin who thinks that the urge to scratch her ass is a revelation from God?
They can spout the most outrageous nonsense with absolute conviction.

Posted by: Boko999 | September 6, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Thanks RD for the insightful summary of the world views of the Dems and Reps.

I finally ran into someone who thinks Palin is an inspired choice for VP. I wondered why and he said she's so much better than Biden (principally referring to Biden's history of plagiarism). I suggested this thought experiment: suppose McCain were destined to win in a sure-thing landslide ... is she still the best choice for VP? "Uh, well, no."

I guess that makes Palin valuable for sixty days.

TBG: Monk and Rockford! Excellent! May you have one of those classic Rockford episodes with Beamer and Lance. Lance saying "It's time for a clue to pop up" guides my personal philosophy.

I drove a friend to the airport this morning to fly to Newark. I'm hoping it's not going to be too soggy for everyone.

Posted by: Fifty | September 6, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/telnaes/telnaes_main.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Sarah Palin as Annie Oakley.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

It's common knowledge that lie detectors don't work on sociopaths.

Posted by: rhy | September 6, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Moose Skowron is on Wait wait.. this week. Funny.

And, Palin does too say nucular. They were trying so hard to not invoke any memories of Bush, they spelled it phonetically on the teleprompter for her pittbull spew.

This unreality show is really pathetic.

Posted by: DNA Girl | September 6, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Hey Fifty! Glad to see you here today. That's interesting about your friend's attitude toward Palin.

My sister's afraid Palin's going to appeal to just enough people to count. I sure hope not.

Posted by: TBG | September 6, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

The Telnaes animated political cartoon makes some not too subtle statements: the white cross spotlight, the unicycle, the repeater pistols, the barrel of oil, the circus merry-go-round music, etc.. Telnaes is very clever.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

RD, Shiloh, and TBG, thanks for the answers.

Yet if would be nice to have specifics. I don't know, generality is okay, but one can't beat those specifics. How it all plays out in the public domain. What does it mean people wise, fear, that is. Is this fear confined to our country or is it a world wide fear? The Chinese are included in that fear, yet we do business with the Chinese, massive amounts of business. The fear has to be the loss of what is valued most? If that's correct, we're talking money and property, I assume? As for foreign policy, I find that odd. The present administration has turned that so far on its head, yet he is a Republican, and they want more of the same(McCain)? And when one talks about waste of resources, again I'm assuming money and property?, this administration has taken that to a new level, so the thinking seems to be circular? Republicans are afraid of themselves? I'm more than likely missing something here, and it probably falls under wealth management. The gap between rich and poor is the great divide, and it has gotten much wider in the last eight years. The elimination of the middle class is scary. We're a country of rich people and poor people, and that in itself should be scary for folks on both sides of the isles. At the rate we're going, the country could very well implode from the antics created inside without any help from external forces. Of course, that a set up for external forces. I'm thinking being President isn't such a nifty job. Too many "you know whats to kiss", and I suspect some folks are going to want an extra lip lock. I'm totally confused.

I hope the people in Haiti get some help. From the pictures on television that is a righteous mess, and promising to get worse with the other hurricane. Ike.

The weather is beautiful here. The sun has come out, and it's not too warm, but could get that way. It's hard to tell we've just been through a tropical storm.

My daughter just called. She and the friend are on their way to Raleigh, and have left the kids home. She's going to call me when the kids get dressed, and she wants me to go get them, and keep them until she gets back. What little strength I possess now is certainly to be challenged with the crowd I'm about to come in contact with. She wants me to take them to McDonalds to eat. I can't wait.

If I don't check back in this day, wait until tomorrow, and then send some feelers out. I'm kidding hopefully. These kinds of situations allow one great opportunties, I'm trying to find mine in this one.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 6, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

rhy - heck, they don't even work on me.

Wait a minute...

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 6, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I went out to farmers market down the road earlier today -- and there were a lot of people there, with and without umbrellas. Mine helped only sorta. Still got my fruit and veggies, but I know I missed some stuff, seeing as I really wanted to get back home in the dryness.

I'm still hoping that the really pi$$ed off Republican women (the smart ones (alas, there are so few) like Kay Baily Hutchison, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins) will either vote for Obama and just not tell anybody, or not vote at all (and not tell anybody).

TBG, today's a wonderful day to watch The Rockford Files (one of my favorite series). I had a huge crush on James Garner in Maverick (but I was a mere child then). I remember a scene in Rockford where he was in a telephone booth and answered the phone "Rockfish here."

Gonna go make something hot for lunch.

Keep yourselves dry, wherever you may be.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | September 6, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Working with our town clerk yesterday I was amazed to hear her talk favorably about Palin. I told her about Palin firing town employees in Wasilla and that Palin reminded me of the former town council-woman here who had engineered her dismissal. (She was subsequently rehired) The realization that Palin is not just a hockey mom, but a vicious barracuda, changed the town clerk's opinion. I think the Obama-Biden campaign is going to need a lot of one-on-one conversions; especially here in that part of the Bible Belt marketed as "Florida's Nature Coast."

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Shiloh, the image they're trying to paint of Palin appeals to people. The reality doesn't measure up.

Incidentally, the Anne Kilkenny letter about Palin hit snopes.com and they confirm she actually wrote it.

I'm loving watching the Daily Show on the interwebz.

Posted by: Fifty | September 6, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

And now, your moment of Cognitive Dissonance...

The good folks at VH1 Classic have lost their tiny little minds. As I flipped through the live cable guide, I came across "Metal Mania," which of course features heavy metal artists. I clicked over and watched the end of "Burnin' For You" by Blue Oyster Cult. The next video artist was...

...


...


Wham, featuring George Michael.


You may now return to your regular Boodling. If you can.

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 6, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for shout-outs on sump pump mojo. I have two such pumps and live midway on a hill. Further, there is a small creeklet that so wants to be free that used to run down the hill between about eight houses. Big-shouldered men of the fifties, newly returned home from WWII, lined the bed with drain tiles and mucked it out both spring and fall. In these new days of the 2000s, one disgruntled property owner midway down the hill (across my back yard) can hire an attorney to prevent this communal drain system from working. Sigh. This would be an example of legalistic, community UN-organizing. I am tempted to run my back sump pump drain into his yard. But, that would be spiteful. Instead, I have several submerged drain pea-gravel pits this storm run-off drains into. My two rain barrels are just about working also.

So far so good, on my sump pumps, Ingrid and Sigrid. However, should we lose power, well, I shall be bailing and mucking.

Bands of rain are rather gentle, surprisingly. The lawn and flowers are happy for the drink.

Foxes very vocal last night in the woods near my house. This suburban VA video clip captures it perfectly, including the traffic in the background. Bet the sound clip is from the thar-abouts of RDP and TBG.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO1IdkoMMMs

Posted by: College Parkian | September 6, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

CBS or maybe NBC ran a story last night, talking to officials in Alaska about Palin. They didn't all have positive opinions. I heard that Anne Kilkenny was on NPR Friday, but I haven't listened to that yet.

Jon Stewart has been genius this week.

The other verbal tic that McCain has is "Warshington"...I hate that.


Posted by: mostlylurking | September 6, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

George Michael? Pashaw.

You know,back in High School Chemistry class I was wearing acid-washed jeans way before they became cool.

mostlylurking - I really liked the Rockford Files when I was a teen. I dreamed of being as cool as him. But without having to get beat-up as much.

Time to go burn some more incense before the sump pump.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 6, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_Coast

"This region of Florida is culturally partially southern..."

More specifically I would call it redneck Republican. The student parking lots at local high schools are 90% pickup trucks, all with rifle racks. Blue laws regulating days and hours of alcohol sales are rigorously supported by church groups at town council meetings. Highway intersections are regularly picketed by groups supporting fundamentalist positions. It is culturally part of the Bible Belt and Palin will be celebrated in local churches.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Hello again, all.

Fifty, I have a small but I think pertinent Observation re. Palin.

I think she's an inspired choice as a VP candidate, as a running mate on the ticket with McCain in the General Election. Might be a real difference-maker for the election.

Can't say that I feel the same way about her effectiveness in the office of Vice President of the United States.

I am registered "unafilliated," FWIW. Independent, and to paraphrase Groucho Marx, I don't think I'd want to belong to a political party that would have me.

Wow, rain's coming down at a 45 deg angle, though the weather's not as bad as it was suggested it might be a few days ago.

Still, I'm glad I put off doing some car work today but got my run in early, before the rains came.

I'm doing some writing today, but may take some breaks to watch college football.

But tomorrow - make no mistake about it - I'll be watching NFL football, and lots of it. Well, OK, and the Belgian GP, live from the Ardennes forest, tomorrow at 8 AM. And toasting Error Flynn, as I always do at some point during a GP.

bc

Posted by: bc | September 6, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

RDP, you too, making burnt offerings to the cousins of Ingrid and Sigrid? Fax me some of that incense. But first, clear out the home distilled Vodka you will find on your fax machine. This is what I pour out before these gals as a libation.

Posted by: College Parkian | September 6, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

ML: McCains WARshington seems appropriate to his history and the republican agenda

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Found this blog entry that seems like it belongs here on the boodle...

______________________________

Wikipedia Uncertainty Principle
September 4th, 2008

Reading this reddit thread today, I found this idea regarding Wikipedia to be most profound.

Tarantio:

Thus, the Wikipedia Uncertainty Principle...

One cannot call attention to a wikipedia article without causing that article to be altered.

theCroc:

At any given time a wikipedia article both contains and does not contain any one given fact. Observing it will cause only one of the cases to be true. Calling attention to it will cause the other case to become true for a short time until it resettles on the first.

Obviously, this is a play on the original Uncertainty Principle of quantum physics. This suggests, in simple terms, that the observation of a subatomic particle changes the ability to measure it accurately...

______________________________

Read the rest here...

http://blogs.tech-recipes.com/davak/2008/09/04/wikipedia-uncertainty-principle/

Posted by: TBG | September 6, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Sounds more like Schrodinger's cat and Observer Effect.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"redneck Republicans....

And all under the banner of God, giving God a bad name, undeserved. When Obama was nominated, the local paper here listed that news on page two or three. All Republican events get page one, headlines. Someone wrote a letter to the editor crying foul, and I second it with an email.

I guess that's fear at work in the public domain?

Posted by: cassandra s | September 6, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

JA

The picture is beautiful and calming. When I look at pictures like this one, I always think about being there, but always pull back because I also think about the wildlife there, and my "fears" take control. You know, the bears, the snakes, everything basically that lives there.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 6, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that's pretty astounding that Obama didn't get the front page. I'm glad you complained, Cassandra.

Gotta watch the US Open - both men's finals in progress because of the impending storm. Federer/Djokovic one set all, even in the 3rd (last I checked).

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 6, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Hi bc, you may well be right that Palin gives McCain a sustained boost for the campaign. She's generated a lot of excitement already. For the approximate week she's been on the ticket, I'd say definitely a big net positive for them.

Voters like you will decide the election. Given McCain's qualities, do Palin's bona fides add to the ticket for you? I see that she brings youth, socially conservative values, Washington outsider-ness, and her gender. The GOP is trying to add reformer to the list, but that may not stick.

Do Palin's negatives matter? Or does the VP simply shore up the values of President?

I'm thinking of a contract bridge analogy where the holdings of you and your partner have to support or defeat the contract. Maybe that's not so accurate though.

Posted by: Fifty | September 6, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Slyness

I meant to ask you about the United Way and the news surrounding that. This lady did not steal any money, her salary was agreed upon by the Board, so why the hoopla? She got a raise, then got fired?

I like General Honore on CNN. He seems like a no-nonsense guy when talking about hurricanes and being prepared.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 6, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Well, I have officially killed the boodle. Time for me to go outside and play. Still waiting on the phone call. I wonder if I can run away. Probably wouldn't get far on five dollars, not even out of the city limits.

The weather is absolutely beautiful, Carolina blue sky and all.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 6, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"...giving God a bad name..." -Cassandra

Your comment on redneck Republicans reminds me of helping my late wife grade student papers (she taught HS English and American Lit.)

Jonathan Edwards 1741 fire and brimstone sermon "Sinners in the hands of an angry God" was the answer to a test question.

One student got it a little twisted and I had a great laugh. He had written: "God in the hands of Angry Sinners."

The present Republican predicament gives that twisted title credibility.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 6, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra... glad you have a blue sky. We've still got rain, but it's not too bad... yet.

Son of G is visiting Slyness' fair city this weekend, so I'm glad the weather's improved there, as well.

Speaking of Son of G... he's hoping you'll be attending the Mega BPH in October. Well.. we ALL are, really.

See? the Boodle's not dead yet.

Posted by: TBG | September 6, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I like that TBG. I think there's a threshold to the Wikipedia Uncertainty Principle (hereinafter W.U.P.) I call this Jumper's Corollary to the W.U.P.
It depends on the p.o.v. The uncertainty is not measurable by the cat, only by the physicist.

Actually, what I think is that if the article is referenced on a blog or group discussion, it's more likely some edits will occur. If it's an obscure article linked only from friend to friend, it's likely a more stable article.

And would someone tell me how to view an older version of an article? It's not obvious to me, only obvious that others are able to do it!

Posted by: Jumper | September 6, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Page_history

Had to use Google to find out. Done.

Posted by: Jumper | September 6, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra, the issue with the United Way president was the size of her salary and the contributions to her retirement account. She was the highest paid UW president of similar chapters surveyed with a salary of over $255,000, and the local board approved contributions of $822,000 to her retirement. Would you like to do so well? Me too. I totally understand why folks were so upset that she was raking in so much from charity giving.

Posted by: slyness | September 6, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Who was waiting for Robin Givhan to check in on convention fashion? Here she is:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/05/AR2008090501027.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: slyness | September 6, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh, Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment is an extension of the Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, which has, of course, a lot to do with the Copenhagen Interpretation of QM and Observerism.

I wrote a guest Kit for Joel some time back that covered some of that territory, and may have some application for the idea of multiple versions of Web Pages, and for multiple versions of "reality," too.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/achenblog/2008/05/multiple_worlds_and_black_hole.html

I've been working on a piece covering some subsequent work on QM, hopefully I'll put it on the 10thcircle soon.

But first, football season!

bc

Posted by: bc | September 6, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, that HS student wrote more truth than he knew.

A pastor friend tells me that it's a shame that John Edwards is known best for that sermon because it was atypical; most of his sermons focused on love and actual Christian values.


Obviously, republicans edit the history textbooks...

Cassandra, good for you to speak out on the newspaper treatment of important national issues.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 6, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Latest Power Outage Data
Pepco reports 676 in D.C.; 4,343 in Montgomery; 1,093 in Prince George's.

Dominion power reports 5,827 in Northern Virginia, and roughly 45,000 statewide.

Did Hanna kill the boodle?

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Fifty, I don't play contract bridge, but I do play double-deck team pinochle... for blood.

So I know what you're talking about. In pinochle parlance, I'd say Palin gave McCain a marriage and a jump bid that allowed him to actually win another bid to get polls boosted, even with a rather weak hand against a stronger hand.

This is fine; sometimes you let the other bid to get attention; if they overreach, it can backfire when the hand is actually played out and tricks won and lost.

The bidder MUST sustain or exceed the image he has chosen to convey. IMO, this was a risky bid that could backfire; if they fail to get the poll jump they need, they will be torn down and fall back considerably.

So, Obama-Biden stays pat on what they have, and must wait their chance to block them from playing their hand to their best advantage. How long they wait will depend on how many aces they do have in their hand. IMO, they have a decent number, but possibly not enough to make the polls they need.

Even if McCain-Palin wins this round, the game's not over. Unlike poker, where people can drop out at any time (Like the primaries), they're in it for a fixed goal to meet-- geting enough electoral votes to win. Who gets there first, wins.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 6, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Didja know that Aaron Burr was Jonathan Edwards' grandson, Wilbrod? Burr's mother was Edwards' daughter. She and her husband both died young.

Posted by: slyness | September 6, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Fifty, I'm sorry - I forgot to address your questions directly.

Me -- decide this election? Who am I, Kevin Costner? [I have more hair, anyway][some of it even on my head]

Palin is too much of an unknown entity to me to sway my vote one way or another, and I suspect that most independent/unafilliated folks feel the same way.

Obama is a somewhat known entity, and Biden very much so.

Depending on the President, the VP may play a big role in the Administration (see Cheney, Dick or Mondale, Walter) or a relatively inconsequential one with a few dashes of comic relief (see Quayle, Dan).

My take at the moment is that should the GOP ticket win, McCain and Palin would be butting heads relatively quickly, as Palin seeks to extend the activist VP model as developed by Cheney and McCain tries to emulate Reagan.

This may or may not be a good thing.

Having said that, I have two months to see what the GOP and Dems have to say, to Observe the debates, and most importantly, to think for myself about what's best for the country and best for me and my family.

bc

Posted by: bc | September 6, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Ohhhhh, Fifty -- another bridge player. Of course I play it so rarely nowadays, what I remember is that it's a game played with cards. Um, I think.

It's one of the greatest games invented.

And, now, I'm off again (but indoors).

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | September 6, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

In the Beginning, there was light. This, I believe, is where the problems started. -bc

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. -Genesis 1:2

Light didn't come until the third "day", not "In the Beginning" - but may very well be how the problems started.

The problems were later exacerbated by the addition of Observers. First Adam, then Eve who had to go shopping for an Apple, no Windows were yet available to the Observers, now turned Activist. Thus, the first consumer society began and started other problems, leading to the current recession and teenage pregnancy.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Debates-- McCain vs Obama. Oy vey. Hillary may have outdebated Obama, but McCain's no Hillary.

Did you see Colbert's clips of McCain last night saying "I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, but I'd take that hog to the fair."

Then he had Patterson on and asked him a question about the Dems and Republican conventions. Patterson said after a little banter with Colbert, "I would like to say 'I don't know', but I don't want to sound like McCain..."


Posted by: Wilbrod | September 6, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey you all, and greetings to our newest newcomers, I count at least three, maybe more?

Reporting live from Blacksburg this weekend. VA TECH 3 - Furman 0 at halftime, not good at all. We are here for the 75th anniversary of ODK, of which my husband is a member. He's at the game, I'm taking it easy, as we thought there would be wind & rain and I am a fairweather fan, unlike most of the Hokie Nation, garbed in orange & maroon, even their shoes, ponchos at the ready, and the sun is shining. (how's that for a run on sentence)

Kim, my mother is still living at The Beach, so really appreciate your report, although pilotonline assured me things were not so tough there. Will call her tonight.

Especially appreciate RD, TBG, who are my closest neighbors, I do believe. When we left yesterday we had battened down the hatches as best we could, our yard will probably be buried in debris if there is any wind at all. We co-exist with the mighty oak(s).

Moderate Alien, for quite a while I read the kit & boodle before venturing forth and it was the tomato talk that finally lured me on. As for my politics, for years I was a member of a local Republian Womens group and although I enjoyed the programs and the women, after a while, I resigned because in all honesty I just could not support some of our local, state and national candidates and platforms. I suppose if I had to call myself something, Centrist suits best.

I am so excited regarding the numbers of young people who are registering to vote. I am so excited that they are studying issues, volunteering their time, not leaving decisions, as in voting, only to the old timers like me. I truly believe this presidential election will be historical in many ways. It already is, when you consider a female candidate for Veep, a black candidate for President. It is so wonderful that most of us have candidates we can vote for without trepidation. Exciting times we are part of.

Oh, almost forgot....GO VA TECH, GO HOKIES, GO BEAMER.....

Posted by: VintageLady | September 6, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

VL,

I'm in Alexandria and we have had a lot of rain but the wind has not been too bad -- 20 to 25 mph with some bigger gusts. Dominion Power isn't reporting too many power outages either, so I'd say we've been pretty lucky. I hope you, TBG, and RD have lucked out.

Thanks for the weather report from Blacksburg. I wondered what conditions were like down there. Now if only the offense would start working.

Posted by: pj | September 6, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi!
Tech, Tech, VPI
Sol-a-rex, Sol-a-rah
Poly Tech Vir-gin-ia
Ray rah VPI
Team! Team! Team!

ViintageLady.... you're making me feel like a traitor that I was going to go to the UVa game today and root for the Wahoos. What was I thinking?

Posted by: TBG | September 6, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

In 1983 Furman beat Georgia Tech. The next year I went to visit a friend at Furman and everybody had Georgia Tech souvenir cups. If the Hokies don't shape up, there may be a run on sodas at the end of the game.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 6, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey pj, are you a fan? Didja see TBG's cheer? They were doing that cheer way back when we were in college, now I'm not sure anybody knows what VPI stands for (excepting TGB, of course and by my standards, she is still a youngster) :-)

TGB, about the Virgina game, did they play? I heard Richmond was expected to have a whole lot of rain, I think you made the right choice, 95 is such a mess on week-ends, anyway.

Posted by: VintageLady | September 6, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

VL.. My dad was VPI Class of '46. Even though my sisters and I followed in his footsteps, he never called it anything but VPI. No "Va Tech" for him.

We were supposed to go to Charlottesville to the game today (my sister has season tickets; her daughter is a UVa grad who now lives in C'ville). We decided we didn't want to drive in the rain, much less sit in it. I believe the game is going on as scheduled; kickoff was supposed to be just a few minutes ago.

Oh.. and our buddy PJ also is a Hokie.

Posted by: TBG | September 6, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

http://www.frik-n-frak.com/Puzzle-Box-History_ep_85-1.html

For Martooni

Posted by: Jumper | September 6, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, VL. I have called it Virginia Tech for so long that I forgot we used to call it VPI. I was there at the same time TBG was. I haven't been back down there in almost 30 years. I need to rectify this situation.

Looks like the offense is awake now. Losing to Furman would have been seriously ugly.

Posted by: pj | September 6, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama is developing a Disdainful Chuckle. I recommend against it. This sort of thing is suitably compared to the Gore Snicker. I recommend a Personalized Modified Sad Lip Chew instead. "How sad it is how wrong they are."

And of course I will continue to recommend the Fireside Chatmode.

Posted by: Jumper | September 6, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone doing the eastern elitist thing and watching the tennis? It's fantastic!

Posted by: Maggie O'D | September 6, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Score is now 24-0, so tonight will be a celebration instead of a downer. I'll let husband know he will meet fellow alumni at the porching, you are coming, pj? I know TBG is one of the organizers.

Posted by: VintageLady | September 6, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Wisdom from Amelie, playing now on Ovation:

It is better to help people than a garden gnome.

Hey Hokies! Check out civil engineering prof Marc Edwards
who is a 2007 MacA Genius winner.

Posted by: College Parkian | September 6, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, certainly agree. McCain-Palin (every time I type her name, the microcode in my fingers corrects it to the English word "plain") have to back up their rhetoric or go down in flames. McCain did take a big risk with Palin and I think he'd have done done better with a more substantial choice.

If you believe Slate's accounting, they estimate 260 electoral votes for Obama-Biden yesterday (out of 270 needed), 194 for McCain-Palin, and 81 toss-up. Not as close as I would guess from a straight popular vote estimate.

I've never played Pinochle. It sounds hard!

bc, I mean you as in independent voters. I assume the independents will decide the election. Maybe there will be significant cross-over voting? I'm guessing not this year, unless there's more disaffection in the GOP than currently apparent.

I look forward to the debates. McCain-Obama should be enlightening. I worry that Palin-Biden will be cringe-worthy all around. I want Biden to debate with respect and class. I know Obama will.

Will the next VP assert power following Cheney's precedent? Or is the extent of the VP's power a discretion of the President? I think both parties have fielded more self-assured presidential candidates this time, so expect a much-diminished VP role. Also less time spent in an undisclosed location.

ftb, I'm not much of a bridge player. My wife has recently taken up duplicate with a vengeance however.

Posted by: Fifty | September 6, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Caitlin and Rachel have done it again:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/29/AR2008082901905.html

I'm gonna send this one to both my daughters and to my friend whose daughter is getting married in six weeks. That one will be the ultimate wedding.

Posted by: slyness | September 6, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm planning on being there, VL.

Posted by: pj | September 6, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Yep, I'm watching the US Open - glad Federer won, surprised Murray has taken 2 sets from Nadal. Got to get back to it.

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 6, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I've played duplicate a couple of times, Fifty. "Vengeance" is indeed the word to describe it.

I started playing bridge again (after a long hiatus) when my mother was sick with Alzheimers from the mid-80s to mid-90s when she died. It was definitely my drug of choice during that stressful and sorrowful period. I played bridge to relax (and still do from time to time) -- and duplicate ain't relaxing. It's a great intellectual game, however. I'm better at playing than at bidding (I don't have all those sophisticated rules down). I think there's some sort of congruence from a mathematical mind (which I've got (or, um, *used* to have)), the ability to play bridge (spatial relationships and all that -- who has what cards) and a music ability. The last part I have in theory, although not in reality. FWIW.

My power has been flickering on and off, so I'm gonna get out Dodge-boodle and go reconfigure those &(*^($** digital clocks again. Dang!

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | September 6, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Never fear Pinochle. Easy to learn, insane to master.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 6, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Maggie O

My dad is probably sitting in front of the television watching tennis. I watched the game between Serena and her sister with my dad. Good game. Those sisters play real hard.

TBG, tell son of G hello for me. I do wish I could come to the boodler's event, but it is not to be. I have more work than I care to even talk about, and here it is September, and I haven't even started yet.

General Honore is talking about the folks from Louisina moving back, and then, according to the direction Ike takes, having to evacuate again. He's putting it in people terms, saying how stressful it is, and the cost to poor people trying to evacuate, and those with special needs like children and elderly. Many taking their rent money to evacuate, and still having to pay rent when they get home. When God takes issue with man, man does not win. And with God, it's called Justice.

I've always thought that there is a day of reckoning for the events that happened in New Orleans during Katrina. Poor people don't have power, they don't have money, and they don't have resources. We have to love one another, we truly do, and when we don't, when money and property become our gods, all suffer, and for those that think because they're not in that situation, they've missed the bullet, think again. The cost to the nation is what?

I got the girls. We went to McDonalds, and it wasn't too bad. They're visiting a friend up the street, so I get a break. The weather is still nice.

Slyness

Did the lady employed make the decision about salary or did her bosses do that? Seems she got the boot because she accepted the salary? I guess because she is African-American, it looks suspect. Very few folks turn down good salaries, regardless of their class or race. I don't know what the United Way does here. There is alway some controversy surrounding them and how they spend the money. I used to donate to the United Way when I was working, and they took the money and built a football field for the high school of the county I worked in. And here I thought they were a charity, you know a group that helped people in need. I guess the arguement could be made that the high school needed a football field, but somehow that doesn't seem to fit a charity's criteria.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 6, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

That was a cute anti-wedding story from Rachel and Caitlin, Ms. Slyness.

Once when DNA Guy and his brother came to visit me in NYC for a week, I told them to bring their passports, in case we decided to take a trip to visit a friend in Canada. On the first day of their visit I took them to the Canadian embassy. Except it was City Hall and I asked DNA Guy to marry me and we did. That was fun. We called everyone and they all screamed in surprise and joy, including our families back home in India. That was even more fun. Lots of laughter and eye rolling all around.

Posted by: DNA Girl | September 6, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

No, Cassandra, her salary was voted on by the board of directors. Generally speaking (somebody correct me if I'm wrong), a subcommittee of the board does its thing and decides what the salary should be and makes the recommendation to the entire board, which then votes to approve or disapprove. There's no telling what reasoning was behind that recommendation.

I've always given to United Way, but also generally specified where I want my money to go. It's such a shame these issues make the process look so bad. I did donate $5 at the grocery store last week.

Posted by: slyness | September 6, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I thought for a little while there that Ivansmom was wrong--you can have too many tomatoes.

I've been getting about 3 lbs. a day, Romas, Early Girl, Brandywine (which live up to their spectacular reputation). While I've loved having tomato sandwiches on whole wheat with mayo for breakfast and tomatoes vinaigrette for lunch, while taking them into work was making me very popular, I'd reached the point where I was considering not covering them when the weather got colder and cutting off the water.

Then I made sauce today with mostly Romas, Italian hot sausage, onions and garlic. Possibly I'll trail some fresh oregano and basil in prior to dinner. But I can tell you right now, I'm dropping out of the MBPH tomato competition. Every one that I still have, every one that develops due to careful watering and covered-wagon tenting is staying here!

Posted by: dbG | September 6, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

My backyard has turned into a water park.

The boys just came in from playing out in the rain. They had great fun slipping down the jungle gym slide on their bellies and making a splash in the huge puddle at the bottom.

I was tempted to give it a go myself, but I'm too old for that kind of stuff.

Before they came inside crusted from head to toe in mud, I hosed them down. I've always wanted to do that.

except for taking my empty salad bowl of homegrown sliced tomatoes to the sink, I've loafed around all day. Now it's time for a nap.

Posted by: DandyLion | September 6, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Hurricane Ivan is now looking as though it'll go along the northern coast of Cuba, then emerge into the Gulf, striking somewhere, maybe,from western Florida through Texas?

This looks too much like Frances-Jeanne of 2004 or Katrina-Rita of 2005.

Today's beach clothing invention is kind of obvious. The usual surfing trunk is laced at the front. Rashguards (relatively tight-fitting synthetic tee shirts that provide sun protection) now come with little fabric loops that will tie to the trunk laces. Keeps the rashguard in place when the wearer is given the wash-machine treatment by a wave. Why wasn't that invented in the 1970s?

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 6, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

dgb

That does sound mouth-watering good. Tomatoes, if only I could grow them. I would probably eat nothing but tomatoes in a variety of different ways.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 6, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

dna girl, that's a great story. when it comes to hoopla and expense, i think indian weddings beat u.s. weddings hands down. i've been to many weddings, some of them pretty big, but none compare to my friend's wedding in india (which i attended).

Posted by: L.A. lurker | September 6, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I love your story DNA Girl.

Will you (and DNA Guy) be able to come to the Mega BPH? I'm hoping we get more than just a comic strip this time.

:-)

Posted by: TBG | September 6, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Dave: It's Hurricane Ike. Ivan was 4 years ago. You're in a time warp.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Hurricane Ivan was the strongest hurricane of the 2004 Atlantic hurricane season

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

RDP, Mo, TBG, PJ, Vintagel, DandyL and other NOVAians got the most water. Not sure about the Central MDers and DCers among us. But hang on Maggie OD, you and I and Moose who are along I95 and East look to get wind, wind, wind....in generous gusts. Sump Pumps Ingrid and Sigrid holding steady. So, not bailing.

Posted by: College Parkian | September 6, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Ivan

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/204413.shtml?5day#contents

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

You got that right LA Lurker! Having planned and attended umpteen family weddings, I'm still surprised how anyone involved one can survive these category 3 hurricane type events (I swear they're just as beautiful and possibly even more fierce!).

Punch line of my story...Dad's business is wedding planning and decorations back home. He got quite a kick out of telling his "rebel daughter" story to everyone :-)


Posted by: DNA Girl | September 6, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

It's always important to be sure what a charity actually does before you donate. The larger and more potentially powerful, the less I want to donate, because a lot of those charities lobby even though IRS rules ban them from "significant political activity". This apparently has not been well-defined enough.

Therefore, many larger organization lobby and get their name recognition spiked even though they don't do much actual on-the-ground charity, and they siphon funds off from smaller but highly deserving organizations that don't have the money to waste lobbying. A lot of those well publicized charity organizations do indeed pay their top people salaries that CEOS of small companies would envy.

The best confidence game in town is to run a charity those days, in my opinion, because the rules are so loose. The more you hear of a charity participating in public discourse, the more you should run from it, IMO.

over 120 years ago, a man who founded a charitable foundation was able to convince over 20 countries not to use sign instruction for the deaf. This was called the Milan accord. The charitable man was Alexander G. Bell.

In America, Deaf education was similarly oralist (no sign allowed), except here we had Thomas Gallaudet and his grandson holding firm on the sign language front.

The AG Bell foundation convinced Congress to ban Gallaudet from allowing deaf people into their teacher-training program, or else lose funding.

They lobbied against having the National Theatre of the deaf form, because they feared the attention given to sign language would "educationally injure deaf students" by sidetracking them from a speech-only education.

Bell himself was not a stupid man. He knew the issues involved better than most, but he was one man, deciding for a group he himself was not part of. He could not see the impact his policies would have, or he did not care because he believed in eugenics even though his own data did not bear out some of his assumptions.

I am very concerned that today we have dozens of very large charities that are sticking their noses in affairs and politicizing what should be peoples' private choice-- on the thinnest of pretexts. Animal welfare/rights is just one such instance.

Even if a charity has great leadership NOW, it will change.

The United Way, now they don't advocate a specific agenda, so that already gives them good marks. I'd investigate further to see what causes I would be supporting with my dollars, though. I've never given.

Back to my point about charities politicizing themselves. Note that in 2000, Bush's goal was basically to give our ability to get things over to charities. Faith-based initiatives, and so on.

In some areas, we have actually given charities pseudo-law enforcement powers... for animal welfare, without making them swear themselves to uphold the law, without the same legal protections and penalities real law personnel have.

This is anti-democratic, since larger charities can perfectly well stock themselves with people who have never lived in nor understand the community they are to serve, and they are unelected. They are only held accountable by people who give them money; and rich people give generously to charity because they get tax breaks in doing so.

I'd remove those tax breaks.

I've never gotten a tax break for charitable donations because I don't make enough to not take the standard deduction. Doesn't stop me from giving. It does mean I give only when I am convinced the cause is worth it.

I realize being "anti-charity" may not be a common stand, but power follows money, and vice-versa, and a lot of charities become tax-shelters for rich, and a way to gift money to their friends (who are employed by those charities), rather than actually doing anything useful.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 6, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Fifty, it seems the independents often decide the election.

I can't speak for anyone else, just myself.

I'm independent, ya know?

Speaking of Hail Marys, I posted a hastily assembled first half (the NFC half) of my 2008 NFL Preview on the 10thcircle:

http://www.10thcircle.com/10/?p=244

Hopefully, I'll post the other half tomorrow.

Now, I'm out to meet some friends and share some Common sorrows.

bc

Posted by: bc | September 6, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

By the way, as soon as the paperwork is in, I'll be founding a 501(c) foundation dedicated to the goal of dog poetry.

Donations are welcome.

(Family-size packages of steaks are preferred.)

Posted by: Wilbrodog | September 6, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

dna girl, that's hilarious! glad your family's got a sense of humor about it.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | September 6, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks TBG.
Not the Mega BPH, unfortunately. School's on.
Next time I'm in DC, perhaps....

Posted by: DNA Girl | September 6, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

A great tribute today by Matt Schudel to a world-class editor...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postmortem/2008/09/the_greatest_editor.html

He adds a nod to his own executive editor...

"Speaking of great editors, Friday was Len Downie's final day as executive editor of The Washington Post. At 7:20 p.m. last night, as he left his office for the last time, the entire newsroom stood up and applauded as he made his way down the hall. There was no cheering or whistling or hooting -- just sustained, respectful applause as everyone stopped working and rose to his feet in appreciation of an unassuming editor who led this paper for 17 years. Downie presided over 25 Pulitzer Prizes, more than any other editor at any paper in history. Just before he turned the corner to the elevators, Downie turned and blew a kiss to the newsroom that has been his home for the past 44 years. A class act to the end."

Posted by: TBG | September 6, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

The local homeless shelter has to buy all their own deodorant. It never gets donated. Because all the donators would be horrified to think that other people might think they were awful to to suggest the homeless needed deodorant. True story. And a fact. Of course, like anyone else the homeless shelter needs toothpaste, toothbrushes, soap, washclothes, deodorant, shampoo, and towels.

Posted by: Jumper | September 6, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod:

Charitable giving in the USA is big business. This year charities will collect over $300 billion. Religions are the biggest recipients with about 36% of all donations.
Lobbying by IRS 501(c)3 organizations is not prohibited, Irs simply says that "no substantial part" of revenues may be used for lobbying. That has been interpreted in court decisions at 20% or less of a charity budget. Churches are not supposed to engage in political activities, but they do and just hope not to get caught. Churches are exempt from IRS reporting rules, so there is little or no accountability for a major part of the business.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod,
Thanks for the info on A. G. Bell and Gallaudet; I didn't know any of that.

And College Parkian,
I just remembered that I have a wet/dry vacuum if you need it. I bought it about three years ago when, after a week of rain, my lower level, though not a basement, was saturated with ground water that seeped into my utility room. I was told to run to the store to buy the thing, and I got the last one at Sears, but by the time I got home, the water had receded, and so, it's never been used.

I replaced the sodden carpeting with tile, and of course, it's never happened again!

Posted by: Maggie O'D | September 6, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for that, Shiloh. However, when combined with marketing, advertising and incidental travel and "educational" workshop, the effect may exceed 20%.

They may need to reinterpret what lobbying means, because there are some extremely politically active organizations. Of course, there are some organizations for which 10% would still translate into the millions.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 6, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Waay kewl, DNA Girl. I'm starting to think that's the best way to get married. Mr. T and I had a small wedding; I went through it because it was his first and I think it was important to him to invite all his relations to see it happen. He was 44 and had to prove to everybody that he was actually married! I wore pink, thankyouverymuch, as it was my second marriage.

Posted by: slyness | September 6, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, I have to vigorously disagree with your attitudes on charities. Yu have singled out a few special cases, which undeniably exist, and argued that they constitute a good reason to eliminate tax advantages in charitable donations to anyone. You have energetically argued against this sort of reasoning with regards to dog breeds (the sins of the few apply to the many).

We give a substantial amount to our synagogue every year. This is what keeps the place running. Eliminating the tax break or, worse, manipulating it, would place governmental restraints on religious practice. The tax-exempt status of religion is a big part of the separation of Church and State.

I have been employed by non-profit institutions for my entire adult life -- first Johns Hopkins as a grad student (where "non-profit" is a bit ironic), then the National Academy of Sciences, then University of Maryland, then Challenger Center for Space Science Education, then Universities Space Research Association. Soon, I will be moving to another one. None of these organizations exist to put money into the hands of the poor. You could argue that they all fail to be non-profit and charitable, because 100% of monies collected by each one goes to pay salary of staff. Is that criminal? Is that corrupt? The work we do is what the organization provides as its charitable work. We have the freedom to do that work because we get paid for it.
Why are other organizations not subject to the same standard? What do you think they do with the money they collect?

Posted by: PlainTim | September 6, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

After doing 3 weddings in one year; two in India, and having to miss another one due to funds...

I swore aloud (but not around the newlyweds) that I'd elope and get married by Elvis in Las Vegas and save a lot of trouble all around.

However, city hall sounds cheaper and less tacky, plus you don't have embarrassing pictures of being hugged by an overweight, greasy Elvis to show your in-laws.

Well done!

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 6, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Sun's out!

Posted by: TBG | September 6, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Non-profit organizations are not automatically the same as charities, PlainTim. When I attend a church, I know their purposes and goals, and I donate directly to support that church.

Likewise, I donate to political organizations for the same reason.

What I do vigorously object to is charities becoming in what the business world used to be called an trust-- lobbying, channeling funds, community outreach, and oh, sometimes actual projects... and marketing themselves as simple charities.

And SciTim, I'd donate to science education, no problem. I just don't think it should be tax-deductible; I'm paying for services rendered, it's just not to me.

The same holds true for all the non-profits you listed. They theoretically could be run on a for-profit basis, but their mission is to expand it to those who could not afford it otherwise.

Yet, gifts to other individuals are taxable. If I chose to spend 10,000 or more a year to a poor family to send their child to a private school for one year, I'd get taxed. Yet if I donate the same money to a charity that awards scholarships, I get a tax deduction.

Presumably, if I asked the family to start up a charity, I could then donate money to them, tax-free.

Does that make sense to you?

A gift is a gift no matter how it is to be used; the only difference is the "sancity" of the recipient and the paperwork registered with the IRS.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 6, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Maggie OD, thank you for being my life boat about the super, duper vacuum.

Posted by: College Parkian | September 6, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Here's one example, SciTim:

http://www.cooldoghalloffame.com/dogs/fbi-investigating-hsus-fundraising/509

There is not an easy way to get money returned from a charity that has been obtained by misrepresentation. If you know of any way this may be done, please inform me. Shiloh?

Note, I said the more involved a charity is in politics and lobbying, the faster I run from it, and I think it's good advice. I prefer charities that keep a low profile and are mainly concerned with service and/or community outreach.

I want to know when I am donating to politics, not charity.

Your nonprofits are service or research-focused, as is the United Negro College Fund, which I think very highly of.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 6, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Cute story by Caitlin and Rachel and I loved yours DNA Girl. What a nice simple and funny way to get married. #2’s wedding will be more like a party. The ceremony will take place before all the guests arrive, there is no cake, her sister and her nieces are the only attendants. She bought her dress online about four years ago for $100. But the whole thing is still going to cost plenty - not like a ‘normal’ wedding these days, but enough.

I just had the best day. A friend had suggested I try a little shop in Plymouth for a dress to wear to the wedding. Well, I found a parking space nearly in front of it, walked in the door and nearly bumped into my dress on a mannequin right there at the entrance. It was my size, I tried it on, it’s perfect. So all my anxiety over finding a dress was gone in minutes. I also found fabric for the granddaughters’ flower girl dresses and as a bonus, picked up a great piece of fabric on the remnant table for new curtains for the dining area.

We are waiting for the storm. It has rained hard on and off a few times today but no wind yet. It is off the scale humid here so you can tell something is coming. Hope everyone is ok to the south.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 6, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Serendipity is a wonderful thing, isn't it, Sneaks! Glad you found your dress.

Both my dottirs are in serious relationships, I just hope they don't decide to get married in the same year. My finances wouldn't survive that.

Elder will want the big expensive affair. Geekdottir, when she was dating the neurosurgeon-to-be, made noises about a wedding my my backyard. I wasn't enthusiastic, but I think I could be persuaded. A nice May evening and as many flowers as I could coax to bloom: it could be lovely.

Posted by: slyness | September 6, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod:

About the best you can do is write to them and ask for your money back. You are unlikely to get a reply. But you can contact your state's charitable solicitation registration office, if you live in a state that regulates charitable solicitations, and ask that the charity in question be prohibited from solicitations on the basis of fraudlent practices. That will not stop mail or online solicitations, because those cannot be regulated by states if the solicitation comes from another state. However, you can always contact the home state of the charity and ask them to do the same thing.
In Florida, for example, you can file a complaint online:

http://app1.800helpfla.com/cswebcomplaints/FileComplaint.aspx

Also note the "gift giving guide" to the left of the Florida complaint form. The state will advise you on the status of any group requesting a donation.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

The sky is gorgeous. It's a multitude of colors... pinks, oranges, yellows, purples. Just beautiful.

Take care those of you in the storm's path. Hop you stay safe and dry!

Posted by: TBG | September 6, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

http://app1.800helpfla.com/giftgiversguide/QueryResults.aspx?id=0

Here's an example.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 6, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Also there's the fact that giving tax breaks for donating to legal charities means that other taxpayers are in effect subsidizing those people's choices of charity.

And charities that actually do turn a profit maintain tax-free status.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/951002/archive_032994_5.htm

It's worth thinking about. Hard.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 6, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

AT 800 PM AST...0000Z...THE EYE OF HURRICANE IKE WAS LOCATED NEAR
LATITUDE 21.3 NORTH...LONGITUDE 70.2 WEST OR ABOUT 60 MILES...105 KM
...EAST OF GRAND TURK ISLAND.

IKE HAS BEEN MOVING TOWARD THE WEST-SOUTHWEST NEAR 12 MPH...18 KM/HR
DURING THE PAST FEW HOURS BUT IKE SHOULD RESUME A TRACK BETWEEN THE
WEST AND WEST-SOUTHWEST AT 15 MPH...24 KM/HR TONIGHT. ON THIS
TRACK...THE CORE OF THE HURRICANE IS EXPECTED TO PASS NEAR OR OVER
THE TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS SHORTLY...AND BEGIN TO AFFECT THE
SOUTHEASTERN BAHAMAS LATER TONIGHT OR EARLY SUNDAY. IKE SHOULD
THEN MOVE NEAR THE CENTRAL BAHAMAS AND THE NORTHERN COAST OF
EASTERN CUBA SUNDAY NIGHT AND EARLY MONDAY.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS REMAIN NEAR 135 MPH...215 KM/HR...WITH
HIGHER GUSTS. IKE IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CATEGORY FOUR
HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON SCALE. FLUCTUATIONS IN STRENGTH
ARE POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...BUT IKE IS EXPECTED TO
REMAIN A MAJOR HURRICANE DURING THIS PERIOD.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 45 MILES...75 KM...FROM
THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 140
MILES...220 KM.

THE MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE JUST REPORTED BY THE RECONNAISSANCE
AIRCRAFT WAS 947 MB...27.96 INCHES.

STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 13 TO 18 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS...
ALONG WITH LARGE AND DANGEROUS BATTERING WAVES...CAN BE
EXPECTED IN THE WARNING AREA NEAR AND TO THE NORTH OF
THE CENTER OF IKE.

LARGE SWELLS GENERATED BY IKE WILL AFFECT PORTIONS OF THE SOUTHEAST
UNITED STATES COAST DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. THESE WAVES
COULD GENERATE DANGEROUS AND LIFE-THREATENING RIP CURRENTS.

Posted by: IKE | September 6, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

And we're back! We lost power for six hours. Most of which I spent sitting next to the battery-powered emergency back-up sump pump whispering encouragement. It was just like attending my wife's labor except the sump pump doesn't get nearly as irritated if you accidentally nod off.

Now I need to go reset all the clocks. That and get the television working right. The latter requires seventeen steps, which must be done in exactly the correct order. And only I understand how to do this. This is called job security.

Which is important because I have never really been forgiven for that whole "nodding off" bit.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 6, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey, TBG, thanks for the shout-out -- was it yesterday? Hi, Boodle! I've been back lurking off and on but hadn't managed to pull myself together enough to post. We're settling into our new home in the little southern college town. A couple of weeks into the semester, the teaching is going smoothly (I say now, ignoring what is sure to be crazed grading and lesson-planning tomorrow). The house is almost in shape, my colleagues are welcoming, and my students are sweet. Getting to this point was a bit of an adventure, though. Some highlights:

- Leaving as the movers loaded the truck to go get the last signature on my signature page -- committee member back in town the night before after summer abroad -- and then to the university for final submission. (Diploma arrived in the mail yesterday!!)

- Terror that the all-her-life-indoor cat had fled the house in the midst of car loading (she was locked up when the movers were there, but let out after). No, she was simply demonstrating her incredible hiding skills. It took us an hour to find her in a house with no furniture.

- At the end of the first day of driving, we pulled up to our planned hotel in the middle of a violent thunderstorm to discover the power out. (But it was on 30 miles further down the road, so we were OK.)

- Second night in the "new" house -- killed 10-12 roaches (J got most of them). Not so pleased with the new house that night. Or other nights, but that was the worst.

But the exterminator came and did her job well. J demonstrated my great good judgment in husband-choosing by dealing brilliantly with my extended crankiness the first week here and by being genuinely OK with being dragged to little southern college town. And I'm finally back boodling, so all is well!

Posted by: bia | September 6, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations on survival, dr. mrs. bia! I'm glad to hear that you are settling in. I hope you and husband find long-term happiness in the little Southern college town.

Posted by: slyness | September 6, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

hurricane couplings
make for pregnant sumps, pumps good
for family homes

Posted by: Anonymous | September 6, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I just got back from our anniversary dinner. We took the break in the storm and went out for tapas. All this wedding talk on my anniversary reminds me of the day twenty-two years ago. From the archive:

http://livebythefoma.blogspot.com/2006/09/going-to-chapel.html

Posted by: yellojkt | September 6, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of editors, there was a tribute to "Elements of Style" today.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/05/AR2008090503728.html

Posted by: yellojkt | September 6, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

thanks, slyness!

Posted by: bia | September 6, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all. All you East Coasters keep your feet dry. I'm serious. Change your socks. Dry feet are important. Also, good luck on the whole power thing. Keep those sump pumps working.

Hey to dr. mrs. bia, good to hear from you. If you're really in a little Southern town, just remind yourself that the roaches were there first. In other parts of the country one feels roaches mean a dirty house. There, not so much. Just keep the bug spray and a hard object handy.

DNA girl, what a great wedding story, and thanks to slyness for the rachel & caitlin story. Ivansdad & I paid for our own wedding. It is wonderful how that concentrates the mind on essentials as opposed to frills. Our flowers were courtesy of my aunt's garden. She just felt like we should have some.

Howdy to rhy, TEl1, and other outed lurkers or new Boodlers.

Today started out cool and gorgeous, then got a trifle warm and quite humid. I did market and grocery shopping, took the Boy and Friend to an outdoor festival, worked in the yard, and wound up with a sunburn. I foresee an early bedtime.

Cassandra, you ask good questions about the "fear" thing. I second all the answers so far. I think the problem with specifics is we are all speculating. All of us trying to answer you are also trying to figure it out ourselves, since we don't share that view.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 6, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Congrats, Yellow. Wow, what a lot of anniversaries and birthdays we've been celebrating lately.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | September 6, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I know some of you have had a great time playing with the puppy that I'm helping my friend with! She's the one from the Philadelphia sewer in a pretty bad part of town, where a bully breed is most often the choice of dog.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10675524@N08/sets/72157606871276441/

I felt the need to look up some Cane Corso pictures tonight and she's a dead ringer for the puppies--down to the blue eyes, white markings, coat, black swath down her back and the very tip of her tail being black. Her temperament is definitely high assertive/aggressive, and I'd told my friend weeks ago that this was a dog who would require her to always be alpha. Also that although she's very beautiful and intelligent, that I wouldn't keep her--I'd send her to someone who appreciated her dominance.

I wrote to a Cane Corso rescue tonight to see what they thought about the pictures and my friend is looking up the breed on the web.

I'm not a fan of pits (an analagous breed, to me), and if my friend decides to keep Bindi I'll continue doing everything possible to socialize and train her (Yoki, where are you now that I need you?). It just adds to her mystique, they're not a common breed and pretty expensive, but it reinforces the need to work with her continually now, while she's little.


Posted by: dbG | September 6, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Um, the puppy is from the sewer, not my friend.

Posted by: dbG | September 6, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

That is a very cute puppy dbG.

Posted by: dmd | September 6, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

dbG! I'm online right now at dbioyoki@hotmail.com or here on the Boodle. I know a lot about Cane Corso (and I'm frightened by what I know) but I'd be happy to work with you and the puppy to see if she's salvagable. Write to me, be as specific as you can, and I'll start preparing a message to you with what I know about this breed.

Posted by: Yoki | September 6, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

That is a cute dog. Awww!

Posted by: yellojkt | September 6, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations yello. I enjoyed reading about your wedding and seeing the pictures. It’s interesting that you remember it so well, not usual for a guy. Cute puppy dbG, his paws look huge, how big will he get?

Still waiting for the wind and I think we may be on the less wet east side of the storm when it arrives.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 6, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

I've never heard of that breed. Looks sweet now, but looks like she could become very large. Those feet!

BTW, I once heard someone refer to Cindy McCain's ice blue eyes as "Siberian husky eyes". Having blue eyes myself, I thought that was kind of funny.

Charlie Rose's website has a short interview he did with Palin and Gov Napolitano of Arizona last November. It's about 20 minutes. Palin actually sounds reasonable...and Napolitano is the one who was supposedly on VP lists for the Dems, so he asks her about that. Funny (strange) how it's turned out, eh?

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 6, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Yello, congrats on the anniversary. Start planning now for the 25th. You make me feel old, you are so much younger than I.

dbG, the puppy is beautiful! I hope you can salvage her, she looks like a sweet little critter.

One never stops being a parent: Mr. T and I are back from Elder Dottir's condo, where she and her dad have taken up the carpet and needed assistence pulling staples, in anticipation of installing Pergo. It will be infinitely better than the mauve carpet they ripped out.

Posted by: slyness | September 6, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Arghrghrgh!

It is not a cute dog. It is possibly a cover girl for the the only truly dangerous breed there is. Cane Corso are extremely *GROUNDED* dogs; they can only love their own people and they can just as easily kill anyone who doesn't fit into that frame.

I'm writing to dbG to talk about Cane rescue. I hope she's still alive to receive my message.

Posted by: Yoki | September 6, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, all, and Yoki, just e-mailed you.

She should reach about 80# if purebred; my friend is delighted at that, her recently-departed one was 130# of muscle, a mastiff/boxer mix, a very sweet, laid-back guy.

Bindi is gorgeous. I took her to Petsmart the other day and it seemed like everyone in the store came up and commented on that.

I just did some browsing, and there are a number of "breeders" offering Cane Corsos and CC/pit mixes in the general area of the city where she was found.

She's fascinated by Cutter's tail and he's, frankly, a little scared of her barracuda ways. He hasn't hesitated to take on a male lab 1/4 his age and twice his size, but he backs away from Bindi.

Posted by: dbG | September 6, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Believe me, Yoki, I'm taking you seriously.

Right now, she's about 15 pounds, so I think we're okay for a little while. She adores K, my friend, but I'll make it clear that this dog would be a family responsibility. She'd need to go to the daughter's house to socialize with her pit and Dane, as well as here, she needs a large family group.

I think the thing that would make K give her up immediately would be any potential danger to her young grandson (14 months).

Posted by: dbG | September 6, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Yello, I liked your wedding. And your write up of it.

Posted by: nellie | September 6, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Ah, wedding memories. Mr. F and I were married by a JP in the courthouse in Hopkinsville KY. I proposed by telling him, "You're not going back to Somalia and leaving me with two houses and a power of attorney!" (We were in midst renovation of a 100 year old house and he had a renter in another house.) The next day our officiant was indicted for fraud. He was caught in a scheme of taking the seats out of police cars that had been deemed "totalled" by the department's insurer and selling them to parts dealers.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 6, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't see it myself, but then Yoki knows more about the breed than I. I will say that without a pedigree, you can't rule out this is a mixed-breed that happens to look like a Cane Corso. I personally suspect akita mix, but could be saint, mastiff, Great dane mix... hard to tell.

Cane Corso is not to be confused with Presa Canario (the "manstoppers" who killed Diane Whipple). I have met a 11-week old presa canario puppy that scared me... and Wilbrodog too, he literally got growled at very nastily when he moved to block the puppy from coming at me from around a counter. I've never seen such a puppy constantly shut down in body language. He showed only passive resentment and literally said nothing in "dogspeak" for a while...

A big contrast to the more appropriate submissive and social behavior this puppy is displaying.

If this puppy is 6-8 weeks old, he should be learning bite inhibition and other normal behavior from his mother and littermates until week 12.

Looks like your dogs are helping out with that. You just can't judge right now. They're becoming more mobile but they don't know what to do yet; their teeth can do more damage than they realize and they are very dependent on blunt feedback from other dogs at this age where the boundaries are.

I think your thinking that this dog should go to an experienced home is a good idea, but I'd be more concerned about appropriate puppyraising NOW so the dog does not grow up to be socially dysfunctional with other dogs.

A charmer. If he's stubborn and willful, that'd be expected of many akita mixes. He'll need good socialization with people and training from a young age if he's going to be any size, anyway.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 6, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

SCC-that should be "was indicted the day after the wedding" not the "next day" which sounds like the day after I threatened, I mean proposed.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 6, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Hi y'all. Sometimes I don't want to post here anymore because for a time, more than 7 years ago, I had a huge crush on our leader when he was just getting starting electronically and I was going through an ugly divorce. Call it a mid-life-crisis. I was pegged. Joel was larger than life. It became a dicotomy.

That was then. So there you go.

Hopefully, this is just a small benign post in the huge circle Joel has created.

Since then I have happily found my way.

For those who may be interested....I got the job!!!!! I have been on cloud nine. I start on 9/15--in San Diego for 2 weeks.

yellojkt--congrats and thanks for sharing.

I haven't back-boodled much the last few days--been perplexed since McCain picked a woman as a running mate. But still believe Obama is the future.

Bye.

Posted by: eidrib | September 6, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

eidrib-it was the fly away hair, wasn't it.
Super congratulations on the new job!!!

Posted by: frostbitten | September 6, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Frosti!!! :-)

Posted by: eidrib | September 6, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Boodle. Very busy day, very tired. But reminder: Tina Fey on SNL in an hour.

Had company over for dinner, so I cooked my specialty Baked French Onion Soup appetizer, then did Steak Diane for the main course.

Rain stopped here about 5 p.m. , and the sun was out briefing at about 6, when I was doing the grilling. When company left a while ago went outside, and saw stars in breaks in the cloud cover. Basically, Hanna was nothing but a half-day rainstorm in this neck of the woods.

Glad everyone seems well and dry. CP, glad Ingrid and Sigrid held out. (Never thought I'd be intrigued and possibly attracted to a pair of sump pumps. Why couldn't you name them Flub and Dub or something. English professors. Sheesh.)

Tired.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 6, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

If this is sort of a lurker check-in boodle, then, well, I'm still here. I pretty much stopped posting when I got caught out flapping my gums just to hear the breeze. Generally I've been too tired to think lately. But a couple of the issues from this very long boodle did tweak my brain slightly awake. One such topic is Republican fear.

Although I'm a lifelong Democrat, I've somehow always understood in my bones where a lot of that Republican resentment is coming from. Some of my family were admirers of Nixon, maybe that's why. It's the feeling that you've worked your tail off, said yes sir, no sir, done your duty, accumulated your little stake, been a good friend, neighbor, parent, cousin, whatever, and now somebody says, "Hey, that's not good enough, that's not big enough, we need some of your money and your life's blood to do this other thing..." And you are afraid that they will ask and ask and ask and eventually come with lawyers and cops, and there will be nothing left of you.

Yes, it's an exaggerated, emotional, imagistic kind of fear. And certainly, this fear is stoked up and manipulated by rich, powerful, cynical people. But at bottom, it's a fear of being powerless and of being pushed around, and isn't necessarily completely unfounded. Whether these rank-and-file Republicans are in fact voting against their own interests is a separate question.

Posted by: Woofin | September 6, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Fabulous news, eidirb! Congratulations, and I hope you love the job as much as you anticipate.

Posted by: slyness | September 6, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Woofin!

Posted by: Yoki | September 6, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, slyness. I was blown away because I truly didn't realize my marketablity. I am really looking forward to the travel and meeting new people. Just have to stay healthy...I am not a spring chicken...more like a marinated duck. :-) I plan to do whatever it takes.

Posted by: eidrib | September 6, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Woofin, I hear you and so do many pthers.

Posted by: eidrib | September 6, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

SCC...others!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 6, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Who knew being a columnist was so entrancing?

Posted by: Yoki | September 6, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Some boodlers may remember my moaning about our broken, not yet three year old, clothes dryer back in June. Since then I've been able to use it by hand spinning the drum until the motor could take over. Strangely, it spontaneously started working correctly yesterday-just shut the door and turn the switch. My question is, should I see this as a sign of good things to come or worry about what will break next that isn't so easily overcome with electrical tape and a little muscle?

Posted by: frostbitten | September 6, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Yoki...the internet changed so much regarding communciation...as you know.

I so envy your way with food. You sound like a food master. Lucky family!

Posted by: eidrib | September 6, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, eidrib, yes, I am a food master.

To me, you sound like a life master. Wise and clever. Witty and present. Well done.

Posted by: Yoki | September 6, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Frosti...as RosanaRosanaDana said..."...it's always something." I replaced my hot water heater, powder room toilet and kitchen faucet this past year. House is 10 years old. The limit I think when things begin to break down. Like my face :-)

Posted by: eidrib | September 6, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Awwww, Thank you, Yoki. I am honored.

Posted by: eidrib | September 6, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Congrats on the job, eidrib. Please continue to drop in and keep us up to date.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 6, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Wilbrod.

I know Akitas, she's not. A web search of CC puppy pictures, a dozen different breeders, it's pretty obvious. Almost every one of them had a pup she could stand in for, blue eyes included. Her temperament makes it pretty definitive--even if she's a mix, she needs to be with someone who likes being dominant.

The submissive pictures of her are 3 weeks old. Now she's directly challenging my dogs and some other family dogs (Dane, pit), even at her tiny size.

I'll talk to my friend about her again. I don't think she'll want this much responsibility; I'll continue with the socialization until she moves on--nobody wants her to go to another temporary home. :-)

Posted by: dbG | September 6, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

That is my wise friend, dbG.

Posted by: Yoki | September 6, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Aw, you've taught me everything I know!

Posted by: dbG | September 6, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations, eidrib! Great news. And hi to dr/mrs bia - glad you're getting settled in. Welcome back, Woofin. Remember, we have no standards here (I'm proof of that).

Mudge, SNL is a rerun tonight, I believe.

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 6, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

frosti, maybe your dryer is intelligent and learned how to fix itself. Yeah, that's it. (I am now quaking in fear about my year-old washer and dryer - I thought they'd function for a long, long time.)

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 6, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Dbg, that sounds good to me, always follow the behavior, not the pretty looks, is my motto ;).

For now, I assume Yoki laid down the law: discourage mouthing, assertive greeting, "tag and walk away" approach to guests, jumping, blocking, as well as overtly aggressive behavior.

As for now-- her "puppy license" is still valid-- dogs tolerate a lot from little puppies, but not always.

This is long reading but interesting, in particular how dogs teach puppies.
http://www.nonlineardogs.com/SocOrgDomDog.html

" Threats to pups seem not so much focused on changing or maintaining the height of a fitness hill, which a pup cannot threaten in any case, but on getting the "right" social response in the form of non-threat gestures from the pup.
Further, these threats show a greater intensity than those seen with adult dogs. A pup will may be pinned
under the body of an adult as the adult snaps its teeth in the air around the throat of the pup and growls,
sometimes the adult will pin the pup down and place its jaws around the pup's neck or belly, all in a sudden outburst of seemingly overwhelming violence. Human bystanders often think the dog is killing the pup. Rather than interpreting this as some sort of psychotic need to "dominate" a pup, it seems that the adults... condition pups to be sensitive to signals and system rules, to strongly prefer non-threat gesturing, and to fear the consequences of triggering or using aggression or even of delivering a not sufficiently inhibited bite. Thus adults are being produced to whom the very idea of using aggression... is highly aversive... the overwhelming outburst of all kinds of extremely elevated
threat behavior that is shown to puppies was never observed toward an adolescent."

Spare the fang, spoil the puppy.




Posted by: Wilbrod | September 7, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

My boss had some Fannie Mae stocks a couple of years back. I don’t know if he still has them. I’m afraid to ask.

“The government’s planned takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac expected to be announced on Sunday ….. Freddie’s accounting methods had overstated its capital cushion, according to regulatory officials.....Investors who own the companies’ common and preferred stock will suffer.”

"The cost of the government’s intervention could rise into tens of billions of dollars and will probably be among the most expensive rescues ever financed by taxpayers."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/business/07fannie.html?hp

“After stock markets closed on Friday, the shares of Fannie and Freddie plummeted. Fannie was trading around $5.50, down from $70 a year ago. Freddie was trading at about $4, down from about $65 a year ago.”

Posted by: rainforest | September 7, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

For Bn Malays, there is no such thing as a cheap wedding. It’s a 5-days affair. Out of the 5 days, 3 to 4 days are only attended by very close friends and relatives. There is 1 day that is for everybody. Merely acquaintances could get invited. I’ve attended a wedding where I’ve met the bride only 3 times before.

When they are celebrating something, they love people come and attend the party. There were at least twice when I went to a Hari Raya Adilfitri open house for friends and relative without knowing the hosts. My friend (host's acquaintance) did and that was enough for the hosts. I didn’t just go and eat cookies and have a coke. I ate a meal at their open houses.

This is a small country and people here are generally lay back and friendly. Can be dangerous as far as I’m concern. A few months ago, my friend in L.A., Calif, send a parcel to me through her church friend, Mrs C, who was visiting her mother-in-law in Bn. I went to the airport to pick up my parcel from Mrs C who was met by her SIL. Her SIL and I have never met before, and she lives over an hour from where I live. We spoke for awhile and after that she invited me to her house and to stay overnight, if necessary. I was surprised because I certainly won’t do that. She could be inviting a serial killer to her house. Okay, there are serial killers in Bn, but I still could be the first.

Posted by: rainforest | September 7, 2008 3:36 AM | Report abuse

bia, glad to hear you're settling in. i was wondering how you were doing a few days ago.

yup, rainforest, this bail out of fannie mae and freddie mac is going to be huge.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | September 7, 2008 4:08 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. Hello, bia, eidrib(?), dr, and yello,congrats.

Slyness, Martooni, Mudge, Scotty, good morning, and to all.*waving*

I hope your weekend is good, and that on this day, perhaps God might share in your time? The weather is warm, and promising to be very hot today.

The picture on the front page of the Post showing President Bush looks kind of sad. I don't envy anyone the job of President.

Have a great day, folks.

Time to swim.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 7, 2008 5:31 AM | Report abuse

SCC : There are NO serial ...

Posted by: rainforest | September 7, 2008 5:38 AM | Report abuse

Hey Cassandra, rainforest, L.A.!! *waving*

Almost too much to backBoodle here, but congrats all around to those with celebrations past and present. I DID like DNA Girl's story!

Yesterday was quite the day... No rain first thing, then drove through yer basic afternoon downpour, with standing water ON THE SLOPE OF A HILL, and then watched the sun come out in the evening.

I shall shortly venture forth and see if the ground is solid enough to support jogging. :-)

*how-did-the-weekend-suddenly-get-so-short-oh-well-at-least-its-football-time-again Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 7, 2008 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Morning all... what am I doing up at this hour? Yikes.

So nice to hear from bia and Woofin and, of course, eidrib. And nice to see Fifty returning fairly regularly.

Congratulations on the job, eidrib! I was wondering about you the other day.

Posted by: TBG | September 7, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

All quiet in the Old Line State. We saw on the news that Virginia took the brunt of the water. Here it seemed just like another ugly rainy day.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 7, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Alo le Boodle. Gut morninckzz! It looks like we had a a boodlestorm.
Been watching our six o'clock and the Evil One who seemed a bit ridiculous bombasting in the Ukraine as the government there is near collapse.

Posted by: Brag | September 7, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Morning, all, good to hear that everybody survived Hanna. Lots of water in a short time can be a challenge, but it sounds like you folks did okay.

Another busy day ahead. How did I ever have time to go to work?

Posted by: slyness | September 7, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

LA Times has an article about Palin and how she isn't resonating with working women in the heartland.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-women7-2008sep07,0,7702239.story?page=2

Posted by: rhy | September 7, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

'mornin', all.

eidrib, congrats on the new job.

Need to do some backboodling, but it looks like yesterday was a big Boodlefest.

bc

Posted by: bc | September 7, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for that link rhy - I like this quote near the end:

"..the threat to Obama's camp is not that they will side with McCain but that they will stay home.."

Woolfin - well said.

Congrats eidrib.

And always a great delight to hear from rainforest! Dang those time zones.

Just read Caitlin and Rachel's most excellent "anti-wedding" article in the WaPo Magazine. Everyone should also check out the online video. It's a wonderfully subversive bit that highlights a human truth. Although rituals serve a human need, you need to work hard not to let them take over. Or, you can do like we did, and pretty much let the bride's parents throw a big party for their friends to which we happened to be invited.

Hey, it worked for us.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 7, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle.

Yes, you're right about SNL. ml. I was so disappointed. I tried and tried to stay awake...but fell asleep, and woke up about 11:40, and saw it was a re-run. Went to bed.

Today is the first "real" day of the football season. Holy Sunday, in other words. I plan to observe this sacred event with my full attention.

If SWMBO lets me.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 7, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

g'morning all. Checking in on WaPo's coverage of storm damage in the DC area revealed Neabsco creek near our old NoVA house "swallowed up" Rte. 1. VDOT predicts the road will be closed for days for clean up and Gov. Kaine says Prince William Co. is the worst hit in the state. Makes me steam as "profits are privatized and losses are socialized" once again. It didn't take a professional hydrologist to predict that the style of development practiced in NoVA would yield this result.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 7, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Indeed, Mudge, I plan on Observing this High Holy Day of Obligation by parking myself in front of various televisions with a variety of food and beverages.

Normally, I'd be cooking today, but I'm leftover-heavy this week, so it'llmore like a 'fridge cleanout.

sd, did you watch the Belgian GP this morning? What a great race - my guy Hamilton won after a crazy last couple of laps in the rain (hey, it's raining in the Ardennes forest - imagine!), where Lewis and Kimi Raikkonen slithered back and forth past each other for the lead off and on the track through traffic several times before Kimi spun his Ferrari off and into a wall, allowing Hamilton to tiptoe around the last lap on slick tires to take the win. Stirring stuff.

"It isn't over until the fat lady sings," Hamilton said. Somewhere, former Washinton Bullets coach Dick Motta's smiling.

bc

Posted by: bc | September 7, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Morning all. The laundry's done, all two loads of it, the plants still need watering, but that'll happen later.

Yello -- I want to thank you (sort of) for kicking one persistent tune cootie out of my head, only to be replaced by the one you used for your wedding pictures. Beautiful pictures, and congrats to you and your wife on your anniversary. That being said, I can't get the Chapel music outta my brain. Geez.....

I've converted one formerly stay-at-home voter to come out and vote for Obama. I hope she does the same for others, and I will continue to do so up until the polls open.

When the power finally (finally!) stopped flickering on and off last night I got around to fixing the clocks. Pain in the behind, ya know?

Beautiful day today, however. Going to go see Mamma Mia later this afternoon with friends and then to my favorite little French bistro for dinner.

GO LIONS! Pleeeeeze make this year one to remember -- for all the *right* reasons, eh?

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | September 7, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Well at least here, Hanna was all hype and no punch. And the oppressive humidity is mostly gone. I am bribing myself today. First I need to work on #2’s wedding dress hem and get the second layer of the skirt done. Then we can head down the road to get some yummy fried clams - summer’s swan song. Scotty is acquainted with the place we will go to for the clams. We might even finally make it to Plimoth Plantation, it depends on how long the hemming takes.

I just saw an ad for McCain that attached the words tax and deficit to the Dems. Um, wasn’t it his party that got us into this mess?

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 7, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. bc, I did watch the GP. Riveting stuff. The kimi-lewis race on the dry was exciting enough but when the rain started, wow... Even the hated Heidfeld had his moment of glory, passing all those cars in a desperate last lap. Too bad kimi's radio wasn't broadcasted after his contact with the wall. I saw the lips moved but we lost the opportunity to learn a few bad word in Finnish.
I'm just back from the local side-of-the road vegetable stand with green peppers, half a bushel of eyetalian plum tomatoes for tomato sauce and a dozen of just-picked ears of corn for lunch. I think I'll be watching football and peeling, dicing and mincing veggies all afternoon.

We just got a couple of inches of rain from Gustav yesterday and Hannah's leftovers are expected tomorrow or the day after...it's going to be a wet automn.

Welcome to the world of assertive dogs dbg. A good "leave it" is a must in those cases. I know, the DdB breed is sometimes called asocial, they can be overbearing, hostile to large dogs and considers smaller dogs and small pets as prey. So a solid "leave it", or "laisse" in the case of the Very Large Puppy, is absolutely necessary.

Off to do some corn husking.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 7, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

ftb, et. al.,
Thanks. Part of the wedding day story is that the bridesmaids kept singing "Chapel" over and over to my wife, so that it couldn't leave her head. The wedding gift that keeps on giving.

For anyone still on the fence about the authenticity of the Sarah Palin bikini photo, I have linked to both original pictures (which date back to 2006) and a guy that claims to be the person that merged them together.

http://livebythefoma.blogspot.com/2008/09/plethora-of-palin-parodies.html

If there is a cover-up, it's pretty elaborate. And much better than the one about little Trig.

My blog also has some other funny stuff that's Palin related.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 7, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

New (mini) kit!

Posted by: frostbitten | September 7, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Good morning everyone. A few weeks ago, a friend's mother passed away after a long and happy life. My friend scanned pictures she had of her mom and I color-corrected about 80 of them in a marathon Photoshop session. This wonderful documentation of her mother's life from childhood to the present gave me a sense of who she was even though we never met.

The casual snapshots had the most meaning while the technically best were uninspired studio portraits. I have renewed appreciation for black&white as well.

Based on that experience I'm trying to put together better pictures of my family. With my brother visiting, I tried some things yesterday, although I'm apprehensive about the results. Haven't looked yet.

Speaking of pix 'n Palin, I first saw the bikini spoof debunked, so I never had the "Is this real?" experience with it. However, even if were real, the picture doesn't tell me anything because I don't know its context. What if she were clowning around at some party? I wouldn't hold that against her.

People worry about the power of modified pictures to deceive but unmodified pictures can deceive just fine on their own by what they include or exclude as well as by giving our imaginations a little kick.

I've got the lights set, father in position, and camera to the ready. To get him warmed up, I ask "What do you think of the GOP VP candidate?" So I've got that expression preserved.

Posted by: Fifty | September 7, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

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