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Eye of the Hurricane


Jay Gray of NBC prepares for a standup on Seawall Boulevard as the eye of Ike passes over Galveston.


A storm buff enjoying the eye. Note the palm trees at rest.

By Joel Achenbach  |  September 13, 2008; 5:34 AM ET
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First in the eye?

Posted by: Brag | September 13, 2008 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Seems that da Boss put the dawn patrol to shame.

I guess hurricanes are not conducive to good energetic sleeping.

Good morning, Boodle.

Posted by: Brag | September 13, 2008 6:52 AM | Report abuse

I'll have you know, Brag, that this Dawn Patroller has been on sentry duty since oh-four-hundred.

Second pot of coffee just finished perking (or is that percing?) and ready to fax... you'll have to supply your own danishes and donuts though.

Posted by: martooni | September 13, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

After moving everything outdoors indoors in response to Dire Warnings, we haven't even gotten a drop of rain. Crud. Not that I wanted the hurricane, but the drought here is the worst in recent memory and my trees need a drink.

Not a hurricane, though. Grateful for what I'm spared as well as what I'm given.

Posted by: KPage | September 13, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

All exaggeration aside, that whole "calm & clear in the eye of the storm" thing I definitely remember from a couple of typhoons. I don't think I've ever been that centered in a US hurricane.

Posted by: Bob S. | September 13, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and... Good morning, everyone!

Posted by: Bob S. | September 13, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Up early with a nasty cold that kept me from getting a good night sleep. Watching CNN and hoping the best for all in harms way.

Posted by: dmd | September 13, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

I remember weathering a few typhoons while in the Philippines. People made a lot less fuss between a bad storm and a typhoon. It didn't take much to knock a lot of stuff down, so the threshold to qualify as a disaster was lower and the high side didn't make as much difference.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 13, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

I see that the crazy Los Angelenos have managed to crash two trains into each other. I thought that one of the advantages of rail traffic is that it's supposed to be one-way, no passing.

Posted by: Bob S. | September 13, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Jim Cantore on the Weather Channel says the lobby of the hotel looks like a water park... water pouring everywhere.

He also says the storm is gaining strength as it moves inland, sending a possibly even-stronger hurricane into Houston.


Posted by: TBG | September 13, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

I alternated as between news and weather for as long as I could last night, but fell asleep about 2 a.m. Eastern (midnite my time, I think. Its a little fuzzy)

That eye of the storm calm must be positively eerie to be in.

Posted by: dr | September 13, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Proof-Of-Life Joel. We worry sometimes. It's one of the things we are really good at.

Here's what I believe is the latest article Joel contributed to:

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 13, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Joel's latest front page report...

Posted by: TBG | September 13, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Thanks TBG - Just saw that. And it's pure Joel.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 13, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm always amazed at the stories of people who decide to ignore severe warnings of "certain death" and refuse to evacuate and then are surprised when they call 911 and no one can come help them.

Posted by: TBG | September 13, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, buddy.

Heh, typhoons. I was aboard ship in two of them. Too young and inexperienced to be scared. Once flew through the eye of a hurricane (in a DC-6)as it passed over Lake Ponchatrain. Very impressive.

Posted by: Brag | September 13, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all.

Good to see that JA is on the front page, and a very good report it is. Thanks bc for your personal update on Joel. I would imagine he was quite excited to be a part of this event for the WaPo.

During the eye of one hurricane (don't remember which one as we have had quite a few over the years in VA) my brother and I were both home from college so drove to the old boardwalk of the oceanfront at Virginia Beach for a looksee. It really was quite`calm in there and it hung around for a while. It must not have been a biggie as I don't remember much in the way of downed wires/signs/damaged cottages. yes, mostly cottages back in the day before everything turned so glitzy at The Beach.

Maybe it was Hurricane Hazel, will go look it up to be sure.

Stay safe Joel, you are an inspiration, so glad you didn't appear on TV hanging onto a pole somewhere.

Posted by: VintageLady | September 13, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Joel is doing great reporting. He's gonna be a tired camper tonight.

Posted by: Brag | September 13, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

'morning, all.

Got another email from Joel; power's still shaky but he's OK, as is everyone in the hotel as of earlier this morning.


Posted by: bc | September 13, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Glad to hear that Joel's okay, bc. I hope the worst is over for Galveston by now. It's been five hours since Ike made landfall.

Posted by: slyness | September 13, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

VL, "excited" isn't the word I'd use, and yeah, Brag, I'm sure it's been a long night for him and for everyone down there.

On a barely related note, I'm checking in on qualifyng for the Italian Grand Prix live, from Monza (no, Mudge, they don't use the old banking anymore) during commercials on CNN and TWC. Related, I say? How?

It's raining at Monza, too.


Posted by: bc | September 13, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Apropos of nothing in particular, I feel the need to correct a bit of misinformation which I've recently seen spread about.

The storm which devastated Galveston in 1900 most assuredly did not hit "without warning". Reports from the Caribbean had been coming in for days, and warnings were posted the day before the storm hit. They may not have had the Weather Channel and the National Hurricane Center to predict precise time & location of landfall, but they were well aware that nasty weather was on its way.

Alas, much like the stalwart geniuses in Galveston today, too many folks decided to roll the dice even after being told it could get, well, dicey.

Posted by: Bob S. | September 13, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Well, it wasn't Hazel because that was 1954 and I was a sophmore in high school. And Hazel was bad. Just read Southport & Wilmington NC were washed away. I have cousin who now lives in Southport, it's a pretty little town.

bc, so what is/was the correct word to use for Joel's emotion, as you see it.

Posted by: VintageLady | September 13, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I liked this little tidbit from a CNN story a few days ago:


" Anyone who failed to heed a call to evacuate would be at the storm's mercy because the causeway to the mainland is closed when winds reach tropical storm strength of 39 mph.

"We have a name for people like that. We call them statistics. There's nothing that important to risk your life for," said city emergency management chief William Zagorski. "

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Joel ever feels the pressure to type his reports while standing outside in the rain like those television folks. You know, so as to project "street cred."

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 13, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Nothing to report here. Heading out for a day of dreaded honey-dos.

Stay dry, peeps.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 13, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Bob S., you're right. I was in Galveston this past 4th of July. There was a mural depicting the 1900 storm including the tale of a man in a donkey cart who rode up and down the length of the island warning residents to flee.

Posted by: rhy | September 13, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

VintageLady - I've been pondering bc's remark, and your question, and I can't quite come up with it. I understood what he meant about "excitement" not seeming quite right. "Nervous anticipation" mixed with "excitement", a tiny touch of "dreading what the future holds".

A frisson of SOMETHING, anyway.

Posted by: Bob S. | September 13, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

VL, I'd use words like "focused," "professional,"
"responsible" and "resolute."

His job has taken him to the site of a disaster that involves destruction not only of physical property, but of human lives.

He's doing a great job covering things from Galveston, and still finding time to drop messages to friends and family, letting them know what's going on and that he's OK.

I'd say that speaks for itself.


Posted by: bc | September 13, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Glad to see that Joel is ok, I was worried. I hope the storm abates soon, it is awfully big and long lasting. I’m amazed by how many people decided to stay in Galveston. After Katrina, you’d think people would understand how dangerous these hurricanes can be. Of course, some just don’t ‘think.’

Granddaughters coming in a bit. I need to try their dresses on and see how they fit before I attempt to finish them (the dresses, not the granddaughters). I am very tired as we did some fine dining last night to celebrate “S”’s birthday. That’s a story for later today or tomorrow. Suffice it to say that I won’t be going to that restaurant again and it wasn’t the food or the high prices that will keep me away.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 13, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Hippo Birdie to Mr. Sneaks.

Posted by: College Parkian | September 13, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

VintageLady, I was a baby when Hazel devastated the NC/SC coast, but I remember seeing the remnants when I was a child. My grandfather swore that Hazel changed the fishing all along the coast.

The family of a friend of a friend bought the only cottage at Long Beach, out from Southport, that survived Hazel. It's a two-story cement block house. And I remember another house, at North Myrtle, that was renamed Half a Bee Hive, because Hazel washed away the lower story.

Posted by: slyness | September 13, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Indeed, Happy Birthday to Mr. S!

Unfortunate about the restaurant, but I'm sure he appreciated it.


Posted by: bc | September 13, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I was up until 2 (partly restless leg problem, partly watching Ike's eye). Good to see Joel's building did well overnight.

now to see how much flooding happened, and whether any neighborhoods were reduced to water-deposited debris piles.

I'm sure studies of Ike's storm surges, from Louisiana through Texas, are already being planned.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 13, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

During the night, one of the Weather Channel reporters was mentioning palms going down.

For the most part, fallen or leaning palms can be righted and propped in place. They'll readily grow sturdy new roots. There's plenty of expertise in Florida.

The Weather Channel meteorologist also noted that palms do well in the wind. This is very true for Sabal palmetto, the cabbage palm. Its semi-fan leaves are almost wind-proof. An Australian ecologist, John Dowe, has been studying wind resistance in palms (including a visit to Miami's Montgomery Botanical Center, which has a formidable research collection). It turned out that some feather-leafed palms don't do well in the wind. Even our native royal palms tend to get their leaves smashed. But some of the fans and not-quite-fans are utterly wind resistant. Any Sabal palms in Houston that haven't blown over will look as if nothing had happened.

So much for non-essential info.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 13, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Non-essential? NON-ESSENTIAL!?! What's the point of this little forum if not to share PRECISELY that sort of information?

Posted by: Bob S. | September 13, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Exactly! Bob S.

Boodlers are consumate, energetic and agressive time wastrels. :)

Posted by: Brag | September 13, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Shhh! You don't have to say that so loudly!

Posted by: dbG | September 13, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I thought the emphasis was important. I don't want Dave underestimating the importance of his contributions. I can go anywhere for hurricane news, and botany blogs are a dime a dozen. But only here do we get the delightful synthesis of reasonably reasonable folks combining a dizzying array of interests & expertise into whatever it is that we come up with here.

Posted by: Bob S. | September 13, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

oops! I just realized that dbG was chiding Brag for spilling our shameful secret!


Posted by: Bob S. | September 13, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Lord managed to find Ginger Saracco?

Posted by: Bob S. | September 13, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Sheesh! Exactly!

At work I masquerade as a very competent professional, worthy of the certifications and degrees I've attained. The Boodle knows differently, as do I.

In other words, most other people see me as Hobbes. You know I'm Calvin.

Posted by: dbG | September 13, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Hurricane Hazel was bad enough to kill 81 people in and around Toronto which almost a thousand mile from the nearest ocean.
"On October 15, 1954, the most famous hurricane in Canadian history struck Southern Ontario. Hurricane Hazel was projected to dissipate, but instead re-intensified unexpectedly and rapidly, pounding the Toronto region with winds that reached 110 kilometres per hour (68 mph) and 285 millimetres (11.23 inches) of rain in 48 hours. Bridges and streets were washed out, homes and trailers were washed into Lake Ontario. Thousands were left homeless, and 81 people were killed—more than 30 on one street alone. The total cost of the destruction in Canada was estimated at $100 million (about $1 billion today). This storm would change the Toronto landscape forever and mobilize the need for managing watersheds on a regional basis."

Posted by: Boko999 | September 13, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time." -Bertrand Russell

Posted by: Shiloh | September 13, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I remember hearing about Hazel and I wasn't even born until three years after it happened.

I do remember being scared of Hurricane Betsy when I was seven years old but I see now that it didn't come near us (I was also afraid of Communists back then, so that tells you something).

I do remember Agnes in 1972. I was at camp in upstate NY and we felt its effects even there.

Posted by: TBG | September 13, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I consider Hurricane hazel my first non-memory. I was only 18 months when it hit and it must have been a huge topic of converstaion just as I was learning to speak. Whatever, the stories made a impression on me.
I suppose I can claim to be a hurriane survivor. Good for me.

Oo I'm so rude!
Good morning 'boodle.

Posted by: Boko999 | September 13, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

My parents told me about Hazel and that the eye passed right over their MD home. My dad said it was terrible wind and rain and then nothing.he said birds came out and were chirping and 15 minutes later all Hell broke lose again.

I usually think about the Scorpions Tune"Rock you like a Hurricane" whenever some place is getting rocked

Posted by: greenwithenvy | September 13, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Glad Joel's OK. We'll be in the center of Ike's path later today but it should be down to tropical storm strength by then. We haven't seen much weather yet, overcast with occasional winds moving the trees and light showers. From our front porch you can look down the street which is lined with tall oaks and there are a lot of tall pines as well; it's really psychedelic watching those move in a strong breeze.

We pretty much prepared when Gustaf was coming our way - tightened down straps on the portable storage building, filled jugs with water, etc., but the storms were on the east side of the storm and missed us. This time, in case we lose power, we got domestic - washed clothes, cooked, and after reflection, climbed up and put a bag over the old wind turbine vent. We didn't want to see that flying off if the wind really picks up. I guess we're ready.

People have stocked up on gas and supplies. The big picture on the front page of our local paper this morning was a Suburban with 5 plastic gas cans bungeed down to the roof rack. The paper was much larger than the usual Saturday edition - a friend calls our paper "news lite" - they had put out a combined Saturday/Sunday edition.

Really bad weather usually goes around us (family joke is that Moses lives here). Maybe it's the topography, maybe the Sabine River, but whatever it is we're crossing our fingers that it holds true today; local shelters and hotels are full with evacuees.

Posted by: km2b | September 13, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Take care of yourself km2b! We'll be looking for you to check in when it's over, so don't forget us when the power comes back on.

Good luck!

Posted by: TBG | September 13, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse


Be safe.

Drink Bottled Water. It really isn't fair trying to read a straight story. Glad to see that we got some good Boodle noodling.

Posted by: Dolphin Michael | September 13, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Dolphie! Do you know about the Mega BPH on October 4?

Buffalo Billards at 5 pm in the Victorian Room.

Boodlers traveling from all over to be there... we'll be expecting you!

Posted by: TBG | September 13, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

With dear friends in Escalon, Calif., watching lots of CNN this morning and the Weather Channel, wondering when we can get home on Continental Airlines through Houston. Not quite the vacation we had planned, but wonderful seeing these friends and having them offer us a place to stay while we ride out the storm from a distance.

Posted by: Loomis | September 13, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Rachel has done it again:

Nothing against the other XX files contributors -- I've liked all of their stories -- but I think they should turn that space into the Rachel and Caitlin show.

Posted by: bia | September 13, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

The electronic front page is all Achenbach today --- three stories!

Posted by: nellie | September 13, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Rachel is funny.

The boss is on a rip.

And good morning boodle.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 13, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Google News: top stories first link is also Achenbach's story.

Posted by: daiwanlan | September 13, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Afternoon, friends. I've been up for some time now, but busy watching the Weather Channel and CNN. It seems things were bad, but not as bad as they could have been. I hope everyone did okay, considering all the water and wind.

Loomis, glad to hear you're safe and sound, with dear friends. Hope everything is okay when you get home.

It is bright and sunny here, and warm too. I don't have anything on the dance card today, just studying my Sunday school lesson, and getting prepared for tomorrow. Do enjoy your weekend, and let us keep praying for the folks down South way.

Mudge, you and the honey-do's. You make it sound almost like punishment.
Morning, Slyness, Scotty, Martooni, and all.*waving*

VL, I remember Hazel. My mother gathered us together in one room of a run-down shanty, and she looked out the window a lot. We didn't have any lights. Just a kerosene lamp. We were so afraid, but as always we had my mother, and with her, we believed we could endure anything, and so much of the time we did. I do miss her.

JA, stay safe. Glad you checked in.

I'm going to start on getting my stuff together for the after-school program. It begins this week.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 13, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

One's credibility may be judged by the willingness to call a justified foul on one's own team. I like this article:

Posted by: Jumper | September 13, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Yep, the WaPo is getting their money's worth out of Joel on this trip. (And then some.)

Also, bia, I really, really liked Rachel's story. Especially the last line, which kind of changed the whole interpretation for me, and made it oddly poignant.

Today my son's marching band shakes down the neighborhood for money. I am not fond of this process, but it produces results. Kind of like negative ads.

Anyway, hope that Joel gets home safely. I am eager to read more about his experiences. It sounds there was a lot of excitement generally seasoned with fear. Sort of like how I feel when the band kids show up and I have no small bills.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 13, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Been conserving my energy this morning in preparation for a creative nap.

Latta, Boodle.

Posted by: Brag | September 13, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm splitting my time today between catching up on work stuff and catching up on the domestic arts.

Anyone else have to work this weekend? dbG, is your project team still working weekends after the schedule reset?

Posted by: Fifty | September 13, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm very glad Joel hunkered down properly and that km2b is doing the same.

I'm also in the process of watching contractors examine some masonry work I need done. At least they're polite enough to hold off on salivating until they leave. *SIGH*

*somewhat-more-proper Grover wave activity*

Oh, here's a thought... What will I do if the next "G" storm is called Grover? :-O

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 13, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Fifty, I've got lots of work to do this weekend. A pile of homework to grade for each of my classes, plus they've both got tests coming up, so I have to get those made up. And maybe I should figure out what I'm going to teach them next week. So I've spent the morning reading about Ike, and I'm about to get up and start cleaning house.

Posted by: bia | September 13, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

No "Grover" storm name through 2013

Posted by: Shiloh | September 13, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, yes, it's a very good point. I don't like the sexist slant of the media coverage, which has come out in an ugly way this year. It's not enough to make me change my vote just to blow a raspberry, but it's bothersome anyway.

Unfortunately, when you get an underexperienced young and extremely attractive person who seems clueless about what the job is chosen over many more qualified candidates, especially by a person who has not had an admirable track record for fairness to women in politics....

"Token" isn't the right word.

"Blatantly discriminatory, sexist hiring" is more the phrase. It doesn't mean that you should fight sexism with sexism, though.

We've all had female coworkers we get on, and some we don't get on with. Does this influence my perception of Hillary's and Sarah's suitability for office?

You bet. My brother refused to vote for Clinton because both Clintons reminded him too much of coworkers he's had.

And I've known some great female leaders; one is now a bishop.
None of them are perfect, they all have their failings, but they all have one thing in common: they empower others to become leaders as well, and they exhibit a very organized, fair approach to dealing with others.

So far, I've seen this most in Obama, due to his grassroots campaign, his civics 101 stump speeches, and his optimism, and his organization.

He's right to say Hillary wasn't behind because she wasn't likable enough. It was her strategy and failure to invest in the smaller states early on. Had she adopted Obama's strategies, and given some great speeches like he did, she'd have won in a landslide.

And McCain probably would have picked Colin Powell or Rice as vice president to try and strip off the black vote and kill the momentum of history right now, or maybe David Paterson of New York State.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 13, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Whew, that was close!! Thanks Shiloh. :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 13, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey, you all.

Have returned from having lunch with my son and reading JA's account posted at about 10:52 am which I missed as I was on the road by that time and then catching up with the boodle, always time well spent.

Bob, thanks for you thoughts earlier this morning, I do appreciate them.

bc your tribute to Joel is appreciated. I think most of us agree with you. Actually was looking for one word. Clearly, you thoughts were grand.

Upon reflection, I am content with my "excited".

Slyness & Cassandra & all who contributed thoughts and history about Hazel, we really do touch, don't we?

Posted by: VintageLady | September 13, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

bia, with class prep and grading, teaching must require massive overtime!

Posted by: Fifty | September 13, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Grey birdless sky, damp trees.
Smells like storm coming later.
Ike?! I hide in bed.

After hard rain of pets
Joel wrote about stray /kittens/.
What, no faithful hounds?

Hurricane reporting
Should win awards, not some
"Ignored violinist"

Posted by: Wilbrodog | September 13, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

OK.. since it's a slow day, I'll take this opportunity to post another PSA...

From previous Boodling (and another Boodler):



The International Mega Boodle Porching Hour (IMBPH) will be held on Saturday, October 4, 2008, at Buffalo Billiards at 1330 19th Street in NW Washington, DC.

We'll be in the Victorian Room from 5-8 p.m. (at least that's the formal part of the event), with food and drink service available.

More news to follow, including a regular BPH on Friday evening at the normal BPH location (McCormick & Schmicks, 1652 K Street downtown, a few blocks from the Mega BPH location, and the Washington Post's main offices), guests (if any actually accept our invitations), other activities (if anyone isn't too full of food and drink), and clothing options (bc is considering the 'all leather, but as little as possible' option).

Lurkers are welcome.

We look forward to seeing you there.


Yr Hmbl Int’l Mega BPH Planning Committee


The Mega BPH T-shirt design is HERE!

I'm still getting price quotes, but it looks like shirts will be around $10.00.

If you are going to want a shirt, please click on the survey/order form link provided with the t-shirt design and let me know how many you will want. I'll bill you for payment when I know exactly how much they'll cost. (If you're not attending the event, figure a couple of extra dollars for shipping.)


Posted by: TBG | September 13, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

One last old hurricane story, scroll down to prevent bordom....

JA's 10:52 am personal account was his best yet, today. He takes us along with him as he introduces us to his co-hurricane comrades in the hotel, and makes them real to us; and his description of the elements encountered just outside the safety of the building are first rate. He reminded me of this:

Back in 1998, Hurricane Bonnie had been downgraded to a tropical storm along the coast after wacking NC, then decided to muster to a CAT 1 and blow on Virginia Beach. We were in our vacation condo, across Atlantic Ave. from the beach Now, our building had an enclosed breezeway over the road to a small building beachside for easy access to the oceanfront. During the late afternoon and early evening the boomers were horrific and the wind really did sound like a train was going to join us in the living room. The windows of the breezeway blew out and insulation from the ceiling and all manner of papers and stuff blew all over the road and on to the south. Until the power went out, we could see this all clearly from our windows/balcony. A car pulled up across the street and two men jumped out to take pictures of the airbourne and the fuzzy pink insulation on the ground. One man held onto the other while he steadied himself for the pics, then they were away to the next interesting scene.

The downstairs was easy for us as we were on the third floor, and when we went down the lobby was full of residents who had come down, some had been brought down earlier while there was still power, as they needed the elevators for their wheelchairs. There were buckets round about for all the leaks and towels rolled against the doors for the same thing. We were closer in that scant time to our community of neighbors in the condo than we ever would be again.

The next day the sun shown and our regularly scheduled annual condo association meeting was held as planned, which was the reason we were there in the first place.

Hurricane Bonnie

Posted by: VintageLady | September 13, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Just wanted to say that I think it's perfect the Mega BPH is keeping the buffalo theme going. One of the Houston articles mentioned Buffalo Bayou, which I used to live near, and saw overflowing a few times. Hope that noted Boodler Bayou Self is doing ok.

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 13, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

VintageLady... not a boring story at all. Sounds like quite an experience. I'm glad you shared it with us.

Posted by: TBG | September 13, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, TBG, VA TECH vs GA TECH, maybe on now? Home game. GOOOOOOOOOO HOKIES!

Posted by: VintageLady | September 13, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Apropos of a reference to rickrolling by yello some days ago, an interview with Rick Astley:

tl;dr (as the kids say): Rick's flattered.

Posted by: Fifty | September 13, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so now that it’s quiet, here’s my restaurant story. We had a gift certificate left over from Christmas for this reataurant, we’d never been there before, so decided to go for “S”’s birthday.
Shortly after we were seated, a man came by, introduced himself as the owner, spoke a few sentences at us and moved to the next table. This was a foursome of thirty-somethings and the owner obviously knew them. They proceeded to have a long conversation (mostly a monologue by the owner) of which we could hear snippets. The words, ‘black,’ ‘murder rate,’ ‘Obama,’ ‘Palin,’ ‘hardline Lesbian women’s libbers,’ ‘Hillary,’ and ‘not even close’ were some that we overheard. After a good ten minutes or more, the owner moved on to the next table and although we couldn’t hear as well, some snippets of conversation appeared to be on the same theme. Part of me wanted to say something to him when he approached our table again later on to see how we were doing. However, he looked like the type of guy who “knows people.” I realize it’s his restaurant and all, but I was completely put off by his vehemence and obvious racial bias. This was an expensive (for this area) place, the food was pretentiously presented (“S” said he couldn’t decipher the menu) and I probably wouldn’t go back regardless of the owner. My entree consisted of 3 scallops and two shrimp artfully arranged on a bed of tasteless couscous and surrounded by dollops of equally flavorless essences of supposed fruit. When “S”’s swordfish arrived, he whispered to me, “where’s the rest of it?” In other words, typical showy presentations masking substandard food. (Although, to be fair the salad and desserts were good.)

When they came to pick up the granddaughters, #1 asked me how we liked the restaurant (she and her sister had given us the gift certificate) so we told her about the owner. My SIL then tell us that this guy is well known around here and has a local radio show where he spouts Limbaugh type carp all the time. Now I’m angry that by eating there, we supported this jerk and his ultra right wing spew. Must remember to tell daughters to choose another restaurant for gift certificates from now on!

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 13, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I hope you try to get at least 4 hours of sleep before teaching days, or all that preparation turns to mush at show time...not that I have any personal experience with this phenomenon, no sirree!

Oh and try to avoid developing unconscious tics during grading, such as tugging your hair or scratching your cheek. The effects are not pretty. Any experts on the boodle on toupees and reconstructive facial surgery?

And be wary of the urge to dispense dope slaps by the dozen in class. The force is strong but don't give in! You're welcome to come and dispense them here instead. I'm sure I deserve one now and then.

Faxing you a good luck genie lamp.

Posted by: DNA Girl | September 13, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Back from watching the Terps beat the Bears, I think the east coast game at noon effected Cal. But it was a good game and kinda neat to see 3 onsides kicks in the last 7 minutes(each one going maryland's way)

tbg I sure hope your cutting and pasting your BPH message, and I love the shirt design.....very nice!!!

Out to pick some guess what?

yup still getting beans

Posted by: greenwithenvy | September 13, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

DNA Girl

You know you're a trip or rather a vacation. That last post had me laughing out loud. If I were close by, I'd give you the high five! Good advice, bia.


Are you and the Boy okay?


That birthday dinner sounds like it was hard to swallow. I think when people talk out loud like that, they think the people around them agree with that spew. And sometimes they do, although I'm not saying you do. It sounds as if you were miserable.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 13, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Sneaks... four years ago on election day, I stood in line with a local businessman who railed on and on about the sore loser Democrats in 2000 and whined about "John Kerry and the liberals." He could tell he wasn't getting any agreement from me or the other woman in line with us, but he kept at it, getting louder and louder.

What he didn't know was that my plan that morning was to vote and then go to his carpet store to look at new flooring for my house.

You can bet I didn't go. I only wish I'd had the nerve to say something to him at the time, but I didn't want to appear as rude as he was. So I understand why you didn't say anything last night in the restaurant.

Posted by: TBG | September 13, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, thank you for your kind words in the previous boodle. You probably don't want to encourage me. The sound of my own voice works on me like a six-pack of el cheapo beer when I was eighteen. I'm a "he" by the way.

Interesting thoughts, Wilbrod. At their best, people vote in the way that Miss Jane Marple solved murders. They combine hard analysis with free comparison of personality types between the suspect--er, I mean, candidate--and people they've known. I think there is a place for both.

Posted by: Woofin | September 13, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

This is what you do in a hurricane...

Posted by: TBG | September 13, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if Joel interviewed the bear?

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 13, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

If he did, I hope he got pictures he'll post for us!

Posted by: slyness | September 13, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow... watch the video under the one I linked to; it's called Ike's Aftermath. Really shows the devastation on the island. Watch all the way to the end to see some really stupid folks...

Posted by: TBG | September 13, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Okay, an unscientific survey here, just among us. How many of us have ever heard a Democratic rant equal to those that Sneaks and TBG described? Maybe it's just because I'm a lifelong Democrat who had to listen to my ex-husband's Republican rants, but I don't think I have ever heard one. Anybody?

Posted by: slyness | September 13, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

If a fact based exposition on the Bush administration qualifies as a rant, then I am guilty.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 13, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

people like those guys on the fishing pier should fined or something.

slyness, olbermann is a pretty good ranter.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | September 13, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I have studied the bear costume video closely and I'm fairly certain it is Joel celebrating the end of the storm.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 13, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I've listened to some pretty left-wing nuts, Slyness. But I can't recall use of laden racial, sexual, or ethnic epithets in QUITE the speech pattern you often hear.

Barnyard epithets, yes. Questioning of their IQ level and ability to find their rear ends with both hands, yes. The occasional insults to fundamentalist beliefs, oh yes.

Often what you hurl at those you dislike speaks a lot about yourself.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 13, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Actually, to be fair, yes I've heard liberal rants. The rant Bad Sneakers heard in the restaurant exposes the ranter as bigoted and of slight intellect. The liberal version paints those qualities on the target.

I'm a lefty, but not lefty enough for some of my friends. Some of them went to hear Christopher Hitchens speak. I made the huge mistake of admitting a passing acquaintance with Hitchens's writing. They attacked me for Hitchens's position on Iraq, even though I never even suggested they go see him.

I like a good conservative rant that appeals to logic and reason: it makes me think!

Honestly, anyone with strong enough thoughts on a subject can work themselves into a tizzy.

Posted by: Fifty | September 13, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Howdy all.

TBG, I clicked on your t-shirt link to order one of your lovely t-shirts, and I think it went alright, but if you don't see an order from me, do let me know.

I'm also gonna order an Obama t-shirt. A buddy of mine in Michigan told me earlier today that because the economy is worse than dismal in Michigan, and because the state went Democratic (i.e., anti-Bush) the last two elections, he doesn't think McCain has a chance there. Hope he's right.

I have a friend in Baton Rouge, and I'm not sure where she and her husband are now. Tried to call, but there was no answer. Doesn't necessarily mean that anything's wrong, but this time of year with Mother Nature doing her mood swing thing, one never knows.

Univ. Michigan can't play in the rain (or, well, *sigh*, play in anything anymore) down against ND, so I'm not going to pay attention. So there! That'll teach 'em.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | September 13, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh my, speaking of rants, there's an interview with Jill Greenberg, who shot portraits of John McCain for the October cover of The Atlantic.

She took a somewhat ungenerous cover picture (which they ran) and some additional pictures which she's manipulated (in my opinion) to ill effect. She legally owns the pictures, but still.

I'm disappointed to see this happen.

The interview is here: although at the moment the site isn't responding.

Should you read the interview, I recommend thinking twice before following the link to Greenberg's site to see what she did with the pictures. They are unpleasant.

Posted by: Fifty | September 13, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the third picture is a great morph between McCain's right face and Nixon's left face.

Neurologically, she picked the correct side; the left face is controlled by the right brain and conveys true feelings, which contrasts with the left side's apparent openness.

Crooked smiles are considered dishonest because reason and feeling do not match.

It's a brilliant visual composition.

The second picture is just gross, though. The first and fourth, just character attacks.

McNixain is publishable, though.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 13, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

DNA girl, thanks for the expert advice. The grading and dope-slapping advice is particularly pertinent. So far I've restricted myself to ranting at J -- that is, ranting at the students, but with J as an audience. I'm not so sure that he enjoys the role, though.

Posted by: bia | September 13, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

In the battle of the Techs, the Yellowjackets came up short. My next-door neighbor is a huge Notre Dame fan and it the Drunken Micks really took it to the Wolverines.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 13, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Slyness, I have heard Democratic rants equivalent to what you heard, but not since I was a teenager, thirty years ago or so....


Posted by: bc | September 13, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I suppose there are liberals out there who might rant in an offensive manner too, but I can’t remember hearing anyone. I think we tend to stick more to facts rather than using bigotry, fear and ridicule, however I could be wrong. (And biased) I’m not confrontational so saying anything to the restaurant owner goes against my nature. Also, because it was a birthday celebration, I didn’t want to make the night more unpleasant. I will of course, tell everyone I know that they might want to choose another eating establishment.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 13, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

If anyone is interested in USC - this site is written by a relative (a young one) who enjoys live blogging the games and apparently has a lot of spare time.

Posted by: dmd | September 13, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Bad Sneakers, don't ya know eavesdropping is a no-no and that's for your own good. If you divide your world into black-white, left-right, for or against, I would say you are anchoring yourself to a 2 dimensional universe and life has much more to offer than that. Please don't miss out.

Posted by: politics isn't everything | September 13, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

It’s hardly eavesdropping when the conversation in a public place is loud enough to be heard. The person doing most of the talking is apparently well known locally for his views and has a radio show. We’re talking a bush-league (pardon the unintentional pun) Limbaugh. Again, I go to restaurants to eat and enjoy the ambience and dining companion(s), not to listen to political rants. And that would be just as true if the rant was coming from the left. I am far from two dimensional, no worries there.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 13, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, if I accept your premise about crooked smiles, it calls my faith in Ellen Barkin into question. I'll have to destroy my copy of Diner.

While I share your appreciation of Jill Greenberg's talent, doing that to a portrait subject feels tacky to me. We'll see how it plays.

Bad Sneakers, you were an involuntary listener. I don't like being in that situation either and wouldn't have done different than you. The money was already spent on the gift certificate, so no way to take your business elsewhere. Not such a happy birthday dinner.

Posted by: Fifty | September 13, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Really, “S” and I have a good time wherever we go, so even tho’ it could have been a better atmosphere, we had fun. The celebration continued today when my granddaughters brought him banana bread that they helped make. I’m always amazed at how hateful some people are and how eager to spread it around.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 13, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad that you and "S" had a good time.

When I run across those hateful people, I just write them off as "unhappy."

Posted by: Fifty | September 13, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Full day. Checked various news sources earlier this afternoon vi Google News, and Joel's reporting of course. Watched more CNN coverage.

VERY INTERESTED to learn when Bush Intercontinental Airport will reopen. Have read and learned that many Bay Area (and Sacramento) flights to Houston have been disrupted.

Posted by: Loomis | September 13, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Firsttimeblogger... I don't see your t-shirt order. Did you click "Done" at the bottom?

Try again and if you have trouble, email me at boodler [at] mac [dot] com.

Posted by: TBG | September 13, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Do you suppose Joel is finally getting some sleep? I sure hope so.

Posted by: TBG | September 13, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I can’t imagine that Joel is getting a good rest down there. I know it’s his job, but boy, camping out in a hotel in the middle of all the devastation isn’t for the faint of heart. I remember living without power for four days after hurricane Bob back in ‘91. #2 and I vied to see who could take the quickest shower to preserve the little bit of warmish water left in the tank. It was almost fun to scavenge for ice. Plus, it was a summer house, I could have gone home if I’d been desperate. Although the first couple of days there was no water at home as we were on a well. But that was a small storm and the damage was nothing compared to what they've gone through in Texas and Louisiana.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 13, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Palin is imploding. I'm seeing bad press everywhere. NYT has a columnist and an editorial deriding her. Bad press in the Boston Globe. Eight years--Arrgg! Press might be developing a little back bone?

Posted by: rhy | September 13, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Sneaks, that almost sounds like fun. Hurricane Huge came through here on a Friday morning between about 2 and 6 ayem. I couldn't get to work, because all three ways out of the neighborhood were blocked by fallen trees. I think a mini-tornado came down the street, because all the utility poles were snapped off about ten feet from the ground. No power, of course, but for some reason the phones still worked. This was before cell phones became common, so we relied on the landline.

After we bailed the basement out - I discovered my strength was limited to carrying a five gallon bucket of water - my ex was able to relight the pilot on the water heater. We were the only ones in the area with hot water. It was kinda neat to take a bath by candlelight.

Tuesday after the storm, our nextdoor neighbor went into labor and had a baby. They wouldn't let her come home till the power was back on, so her husband lobbied the linemen in the area to get to us first. We got power back on Friday afternoon, so we were out for just a week. Some folks were in the dark for three weeks. Thank heavens it was late September, so it wasn't too hot, nor was it so cold people needed heat.

Cleaning up the debris took about six months. There was just so much of it. It was beyond the capabilities of the Solid Waste folks to get it all up in a reasonable length of time, so the city contracted with anybody who had a dump truck and a backhoe to move it all.

Fortuitously, my ex's aunt and her boyfriend showed up to visit. He and my ex managed to get the downed trees and limbs cut up and to the curb; it took them about five days to get it all. The stack from our yard was about four and a half feet high, four feet wide, and 200 feet long. We were very lucky; we didn't have any structural damage from falling trees.

On the day the hurricane hit, and for the next ten days, the fire department ran about three times the normal call load. There weren't any false alarms to speak of. The most dramatic call was to rescue a lady who was trapped in her second-story bathroom by an oak that fell through the house. Her husband had to get into his car and go to the nearest fire station in the middle of the storm to get help. She was seriously injured (she did recover); after they got her transported to the hospital, the firefighters were standing on the porch and watched a tree fall on their ladder truck, demolishing it.

Nope, don't care to go through a hurricane again.

Posted by: slyness | September 13, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

SCC: Hurricane Hugo, of course.

Posted by: slyness | September 13, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all. Geez, I miss a couple of Boodle days and a hurricane breaks loose. The Wapo honchos go insane and Joel aids and abets them. I admire his willingness to travel into Hurricane Country but, really, going to Galveston was just not safe. I was in and out today so Ivansdad watched the local Houston coverage for me. We lived there long enough to be familiar with everything currently without power or windows and/or underwater.

Watch out, km2b, I hope Bayou Self is Bayou Safe, and I'm glad Loomis is out of the state right now.

I was in Houston for five years in the late '70s, early '80s, and I swear I only remember one hurricane that whole time. Now it seems like one or two a year.

The Boy and I were at a local fencing tournament. I watched and provided beverages, he did the work. He fenced Youth 12 category last night and came in first, and came in second this morning in Youth 14 (taller opponents). I have to persuade him to call it a day here very soon.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 13, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to the Boy, Ivansmom. I'll bet he sleeps well tonight!

That's where I'm headed. G'night all.

Posted by: slyness | September 13, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Woo hoo for The Boy!

I liked Hurricane "Huge" - wasn't sure if it was a typo or not. One big Houston hurricane was enough for me (I swear I thought there were 2 - maybe the other one was a tropical storm). The windstorm we had here in winter a couple of years ago was like a hurricane without the rain. We didn't have power for 3 days, and it was below freezing - not fun at all. I really don't like windstorms of any kind. Living near the Blue Ridge, the wind would sometimes be strong for days, and it gets very tiring. I wouldn't be good on the prairie, I don't guess. Or Oklahoma! The tornado threat there is very scary.

And speaking of scary (hope rhy is right):

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 13, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to the greatest swordsman in all Oklahoma.

Hate to introduce a bummer: RIP with some reservations about novelist David Foster Wallace, ("Infinite Jest"), 46, who hanged himself, and left his wife to come home to find the body.

David, David, David. *sigh*

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 13, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Point taken, Fifty. Remember posed pictures are more apt to be asymmetrical insincere smiles, so I wouldn't take that too seriously. Her smile beats many fake smiles I can think of by a mile.

Bad Sneakers, the only thing you could have done was to timidly interrupt... "Excuse me, I didn't know we were getting dinner AND a show."

But generally with frothing angry people, avoiding them and least response is the best solution. You did good.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 13, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

good evening, and good night boodle. Long day here in St. Paul and many boxes yet to unpack. Bought the granite sink and found a gorgeous faucet on clearance, then it was off to Ikea for the gear to execute the most ambitious closet organization scheme we've ever attempted.

It was good to back boodle and see our Texas contingent safe, and Joel in fine form. Sorry your celebratory dinner wasn't Sneaks.
Toodles and sweet dreams.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 13, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Now that NYT article is good investigative journalism, reporting on more than one person's opinion; discussing concrete facts from multiple sources.

This cannot be labelled as mere vindictive gossip.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 13, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Holy carp! Tina Fey is a deadringer for Palin.

Posted by: martooni | September 13, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

And vice-versa. SNL is on? I'll go watch it.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 13, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

O. M. G. The opening of Saturday Night Live has Tina Fey playing Sarah Palin (and Amy Poehler as Hillary). And -- I guess I shouldn't be surprised -- Fey has Palin soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo nailed. You're gonna see this one on YouTube for a decade. Really outstanding -- and pretty funny.

Rumor is Obama's gonna be on, too.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 13, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama cancelled because of the hurricane. But I'm looking forward to Tina.

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 13, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

SNL ... now there's something fun to watch tonight. Provided I can figure out the TV ...

Posted by: Fifty | September 13, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

*sigh* i don't have a tv. will have to watch it tomorrow on the intertubes.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | September 14, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

I missed the opening, but thought Phelps did well for his first time ever; they played to his strength as "goofy teen boy".

I found the Phelps diet quite funny.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 14, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

And that worst pep talk ever was pretty good too. "I flushed my speedo!"

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 14, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

I'd give pretty valuable to read Molly Ivins' take on Sister Sarah. Nothing crazy like a body part or anything like that but something useful or desirable like an Eskimo Bar or a sledge hammer.

Posted by: Boko999 | September 14, 2008 2:45 AM | Report abuse

(Reading the blog again after a few weeks) I suppose this has been discussed here already, but why is a strong cyclonic storm over water called a Hurricane off the Americas and I guess elsewhere in the Atlantic, a Typhoon off East Asia, and a Cyclone off South Asia (perhaps anywhere in the Indian Ocean?) and Oceania?

Posted by: LTL-CA | September 14, 2008 3:00 AM | Report abuse

Because it helps explain the geography, LTL-CA.

Hurricane is a word indigenous to the Americas, from the "hurakan" of Taino Indians (of the Carribean)

Typhoon has a great word history, it's an fusion of Greek and Chinese in a way. Scroll down to read about that.

Cyclone is a British coinage by an British Meterologist during the days of rule in India, and the term came in use there.

Back in Shakespeare's time, such storms were called tempests, like any bad storm.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 14, 2008 3:42 AM | Report abuse

Check out NOAA for their approach to naming, though.

I think the system of naming by area of region helps define the likely strike zone of such storms.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 14, 2008 3:49 AM | Report abuse

'black,’ ‘murder rate,’ ‘Obama,’ ‘Palin,’ ‘hardline Lesbian women’s libbers,’ ‘Hillary,’ ‘not even close’

Wink, nod!

Posted by: Bob S. | September 14, 2008 4:08 AM | Report abuse

Thank you for watching another "Sunrise Semester."
Next Sunday, a program on the pickling and freezing of artic elephants.

Posted by: Boko999 | September 14, 2008 4:30 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' all...

I ended up falling asleep during the first set of SNL's musical act, so no idea what I might have missed after that. Wilbrod... Phelps said he "fudged" his speedo in that skit, btw. He may have flushed it afterwards, but the fudging came first. ;-)

I couldn't get over how well Tina Fey did Palin. Uncanny, I tell ya'. The funniest/scariest thing about it is that not a word came out of her mouth that I couldn't imagine not coming out of Palin's.

Ah well... time to get moving here. Second pot of mud is just about ready and I gots lots of stuff to do before Her-icane Bean and Mrs. "I hate mornings" M. wake up.

Peace out...

Posted by: martooni | September 14, 2008 5:39 AM | Report abuse

The WaPo and NYT article on Palin's major resume points seem to be rather consistent and well-sourced. Wonder how that'll be received at the campaign? *shrug*

I also wonder if JA listened to himself churn as the world served its own needs. But I'm sure he feels fine. Enjoy the tune cootie. :-)

I also also wonder if the lawnmower will rebel when I try to mow a wet lawn that's had two weeks to muster its forces. :-O

I'm not wondering about jogging, though. A BIT too hot and muggy for me. Good day for watching football, I think. :-)

*severly-torpid-and-enervated-despite-two-cups-o-coffee Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 14, 2008 5:47 AM | Report abuse

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."

-Lewis Carroll
The Walrus and the Carpenter - aka
The Arctic Elephant and the Doorsmith

Disclaimer: "Pigs with wings" does not refer to any candidate for the office of vice president.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 14, 2008 5:53 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. The boss is at it again.

Funny Grand Prix in Monza this morning. Three Minardi-Red Bull-Toro Rosso in the first two rows. Sheesh.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 14, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all. Prayers for all of our hurricane folks.

"Morning has broken
Like the first morning
Blackbird has spoken
Like the first bird"

Thanks, Cat Stevens.

Posted by: VintageLady | September 14, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Hey VL! *wave*

I DO hope JA's gotten his well-deserved sleep by this point.

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 14, 2008 7:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm telling you, the country is experiencing acid reflux--Palin is hard to swallow. There's even a story in today's paper that "hundreds, maybe over a thousand" protested in Anchorage to disabuse the notion that Alaska is 100 percent behind Palin. Well, I've been to Alaska. If 1000 Alaskans are protesting, that's equivalent to the million-man march. The article even quotes the signs. They're great:

The din did not prevent reading the signs, pro and against:
Bush In A Skirt
Palin: She Be Failin'
I Love My Alaska Girl
Jesus Was a Community Organizer
We Luv Our Lady Guv
Palin: Thanks But No Thanks
Smearing Alaska's Good Name One Scandal @ a Time
Candidate To Nowhere
Rape Kits Should Be Free
Voted For Her Once: Never Again!
Community Organizers are the Real Patriots
Barbies for War
I Shall Not Be Pandered To
Give Palin Your Vote AND Your Draft Age Child
Sarah Palin: So Far Right She's Wrong
Sarah Palin Is My Hero
Alaska Is Not Frisco
Gun Rights
Coat Hangers for McCain
Sarah Palin, Undoing 150 Years of American Feminism
Hockey Mama for Obama (on a hockey stick)

Posted by: rhy | September 14, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

G'morning, all. Nice muggy morning here in the Carolinas. We're supposed to get a cold front on Tuesday that will lower temperatures. Mr. T can hardly wait for summer to be done. Me, not so much.

Yes, I hope Joel is sound asleep right now. He's too valuable to lose among the debris of Galveston Island.

Busy day ahead: baby boys will be dedicated in worship this morning (yes, I have a nice linen hankie in my purse). Then lunch at our house for 20 of their closest relations and favorite people. It will be fun!

I'll check back in when I get a moment.

Posted by: slyness | September 14, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

I'll second that hope, Scotty.
If not, may there be plenty of hot coffee.

Its looks pretty bad for the folks along the coast. With work yesterday I am a little out of the news loop, but I've seen pictures this morning... Well, lets just say, I'll take my 40 below temps any day.

Posted by: dr | September 14, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

sd, I watched Monza qualifying yesterday, in mixed rain conditions. Toro Rosso and Red Bull and Kovalinen (McLaren) kept their cars out for most of all three sessions in order to catch the best conditions and it worked correctly. Also, they might have setups more for wet conditions, which won't work so well in the dry (softer springs and shock damping, small, anti-rollbars, etc.)

Massa and Hamilton tried to be too cute and guess on the conditions (in order to preserve their engines), and they guessed wrong.

Should be an interesting race today, but I'm going to DVR it, as I have a busy morning.


Posted by: bc | September 14, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Morning all, Joel great work on your articles - I particularly liked the one shriek linked to.

We are waiting for the remnants of Ike combined with another storm system, a heavy rainfall warning for this afternoon and night, of course is rained hard yesterday and most of the summer so not exactly anything new.

Posted by: dmd | September 14, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

I've found the evolution WaPo's coverage of Hurricane Ike and the terrible, destructive aftermath to be an excellent example of reporting in the Internet Age.

Interesing to see how the text under Joel's byline on the front page has evolved over the past 36 hours into its final (?) form.

Now, new pieces on picking up in the aftermath, the sorrow, the grief, and beginning again.


Posted by: bc | September 14, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

"...I'll take my 40 below temps any day." -dr

Not me. I always claim to have honeybee genes because I become dormant below 50 above. And bees have the good sense to use evaporative cooling when temps get up to 93. I prefer an occasional tropical storm or hurricane to a blizzard.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 14, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Chicago Tribune poll this morning: Who would you rather watch, Sarah Palin, or Tina Fey as Sarah Palin?

15% want to watch Sarah Palin
84% want to watch Tina Fey as Sarah Palin

Posted by: rhy | September 14, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

School is in full swing and I swear there are 100 pounds of books scattered on the counters, chairs, the couch, dining room table, and papers, pencils and crayons all over the computer area. Yesterday I got sick of it and scrambled my kids to clean it all up before they did anything else.

My manipulative, scheming daughter went right to work. She told the littler ones what to do and even made a few suggestions on how I could help. I knew she was up to something, and I found out shortly into the cleaning project. It's not easy saying "NO!" to a girl that is folding my work clothes when she asks if she could invite a few friends over after the house has been buffed.

Ok, so I'm a pushover. So what?

Later that evening, I found myself eating pizza with 5 giggly teenage girls. Before I finished my first slice, The topic turned to sex. I tried to keep quiet, I tried minding my own business, I tried to steer the conversation to tomatoes, rock-n-roll, ice cream, anything, school (mayday!). Nothing worked. they started asking me direct questions. HELP!

I mean, do I *LOOK* like I know anything about sex? For heaven's sakes, it's been 30 years since I've been a teenager, and I forgot everything I knew. Don't teenagers know everything about that stuff? I've got 4 kids, obviously, I failed sex ed.

They didn't buy it.

And the questions and comments flew:
Can you get AIDS from kissing? the toilet seat? What about herpes? Was that around when I was growing up? Exactly what is herpes? Chicken pox? Can you get a STD from a virgin? How long does it take to get pregnant? Do condoms work? Ask my mom about sex, are you kidding? It's not in my parentss vocabulary. Does it hurt? I don't think my mom and dad do it. Is it true that moms start wetting their pants when they sneeze after having a baby? I heard Obama wants to teach it to kindergarteners...

Oh boy. I feel like calling their parents up today and suggest they start talking to their kids about sex soon..., at least before everybody else does first, like, ahem, right now!

Posted by: DandyLion | September 14, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

You mean, "Thanks, Yusuf Islam," (to his friends, Joe.) Such an unfortunate choice for a new name.

Er ... what is the signal, here, to indicate that that was just a little joke?

Actually, "Teaser and the Firecat" is in the player right now, getting frequent spins. "Tuesday's Dead," is a fave. I have no idea what the lyrics mean (tho' I did when the album came out) but the music is some of the happiest ever recorded.

Finally got some rain from Ike! ! !

Off to praise this morning with a dog-walk on the power line easement, then church.

Posted by: KPage | September 14, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Or, "Thanks, Steven Demetre Georgiou."

Posted by: Shiloh | September 14, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

:-) works, kpage

Posted by: Shiloh | September 14, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Glad everyone seems well.

Yes, enjoyed Joel's articles. Also recommend this Sally Quinn interview (which I almost *never* do with her) with SNL's Lorne Michaels.

I suspect the Redskins are going to have a religious experience when they encounter the Saints today. And it won't be a "good" experience, either.

Joel referenced the "second thoughts" of the hurricane survivors...but I think my wife may have touched on a sense of umbrage she expressed a number of times: Why the *&^%$ do people who ignore mandatory orders evacuate stay behind-- and then expect to be rescued? She thinks they all ought to be charged for the cost of their rescues.

I *do* have as certain amount of sympathy for people like the woman in Joel's article who stayed because she had to nurse an elderly man who "couldn't be moved." But then I note that, after the storm, they did in fact move him (apparently without harm). So...she was basically wrong, wasn't she? And in so doing endangered both herself and her patient.

But yes, we *do* have to find a way of seeking out patients "who can't be moved" and then we have to move them. No question. The saddest, most heart-breaking stories that came out of Katrina were the ones of those nurses in the nursing homes and hospitals. We can never let something like that happen again.

But every time I see an interview with somebody who stayed behind, and then the interviewer asks them how it was and what all they lost, I can't help thinking, "Mister, you are an idiot." There was one such interview before the storm, and the guy and his wife said they wanted to stay and "protect their [valuables]." Okay....and how well did they succeed in that aim? Everything gone. So apparently they didn't do a very good job.

I was seriously angry at Anderson Cooper, who put on a pair of hip waders and did his broadcast standing in three feet of water--which only ten feet away was 2 feet deep, and 10 feet further away only a few inches. It was all just for dramatic effect, was phony as hell, and had no point other than "here I am standing up to my waist in water."

I also think somebody needs to direct some serious umbrage at the "face certain death" warning. Quite clearly, that was an extreme overhype, and on the face of it significantly wrong. It utterly destroys the credibility of emergency services personnel, officials of all kinds, and weather experts to say something that is manifestly stupid. The next time they issue a serious warning, no one will believe them -- and rightly so. These are supposedly well-train people; they have to be careful with their language. And the media didn't help, because they repeated that language over and over again, without qualifying it or commenting on it, or "what he really meant was..." It was a mistake, but one the media just couldn't resist amplifying, rather than correcting or muting.

OK, enough of my ranting. There must be some food in this house somewhere. If I don't get something to eat pretty soon I'm going to be facing certain starvation.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 14, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Dandylion, methinks whatever failings you think you have had, you are winning in the parenting department. They are talking to you and asking questions. That is what matters.

Posted by: dr | September 14, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Good morning all. Yes, DandyLion, you win parenting plaudits because the kids trust you enough to ask the things they can't or won't ask their own folks, and because your daughter trusts you enough to ask too, even in front of her friends. I have spent a lot of time trying to establish enough credibility with the Boy that he will take seriously my request to always ask me if he has any question about sex. I don't want him to give credence to the stuff the kids say at school, especially if they've learned it from their older siblings!

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 14, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, you expressed what I’ve been thinking better than I could have. And I think charging for rescue for people who had the means to leave and didn’t is a really good idea. And the media hype does come close to crying wolf.

As a seafaring man, I know you are familiar with the power of the ocean. When this is combined with the power of a hurricane, awesome things occur. After hurricane Bob, a cat. 1 storm, there was a 3X3 foot concrete mooring achor by the back door of the restaurant #2 worked for at the local marina. (The restaurant itself was under three feet of water during the storm surge.) That’s all I needed to see to underscore the storm’s power. People near the coast in hurricane territory must have seen similar things. That they have and still don’t evacuate, is stupid.

Speaking of boating, if it clears up today we are going out for a cruise on almost SIL’s boat. Otherwise, it will be house chores, sewing and a nap for me.

And Dandylion, what Ivansmom and dr said!

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 14, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Yes.. good for you DandyLion. Your brain must have been exploding, but you clearly didn't let the girls know.

The Bristol Palin story has led to some good discussions in my house... mainly that I tell both my kids that my telling them not to have sex isn't going to keep anyone from getting pregnant. Only knowledge and good birth control can do that.

Posted by: TBG | September 14, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

g'morning boodle and glad to see Mudge has already expressed my overall thoughts about staying "to protect the valuables" when evacuation orders are given. Keep your most important papers in a waterproof container, small enough to take with you, and get out, nitwits.

Now, to have a job that gives me an excuse to leave family and frostcats behind in safety and I get to go toward the danger is my idea of a near perfect life. (Periodic envy of Mr. F's career path vs. my own is reaching its annual start-of-the-school-year peak. I'll get over it.)

After action reviews of the RNC are getting kind of rocky for St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman. A columnist in the Strib (Minneapolis Star Tribune) opines that this will be the end of his political career. I do feel Coleman is kind of putting lip gloss on a moose when he says the overall impression of the RNC is one of police restraint but you'd think Minnesotans were known for hyperbole to read all the "militaristic police state" comments being thrown about. From my perspective in the loft-the police were restrained, personable, and even friendly unless you had a brick or bag of feces in your backpack. However, the thought that the self proclaimed anarchists posed the kind of terrorist threat that justifies the purchase of millions in new SWAT and anti-terror equipment is laughable. If having a few old walkie talkies and people designated as "medics" qualifies as "highly organized" then I wonder who was watching for real terrorists during the DNC and RNC.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 14, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Boodle.

The destruction caused by Ike is impressive. I wonder when Joel manages to sleep.

Posted by: Brag | September 14, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

This cover of The Onion Sunday Magazine reminds me of a conversation we had here a few days ago...

Posted by: TBG | September 14, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Applause from this corner as well, DandyLion. I haven't gotten to that level of detail with NukeSpawn, but the day is coming, I'm sure. *SIGH*

What's that, 'Mudge? A video journalist choosing a more dramatic but less representative setting? Such a surprise. *shaking my head* Probably had to justify an expense report for the waders.

And I agree, the media screwed up by focusing on the "certain death" portion of the full quote, which said IF YOU STAY IN A SINGLE-STORY HOME ON THE BEACH you may face certain death... I mean, that part of it is fairly soldily borne out by the surge damage. As always, it's lack of context and again, I'm so surprised that U.S. journalism would fail to provide that.

*particularly-sarcastic-midday Grover waves*


Posted by: Scottynuke | September 14, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I think we have seen the double-edged sword that is the internet in the last few days. Joel's heroic reporting from the heart of the storm (can this phrase be trademarked?) clearly shows the benefit of a medium that allows people to log on and get detailed in-depth up-to-date news whenever it is convenient for them. This is something that only the Internet can do.

On the other hand, the whole Palin business has shown how the Internet can degrade important national conversations. Those on the right hang out at websites that either ignore negative reports, or spin them their way for the benefit of the faithful. This means that critics of Palin end up doing nothing but talking to themselves.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 14, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Also, I agree with BC that it has been fascinating to see how Joel's stories have evolved over time, with certain phrases and anecdotes being preserved while others left behind. It was like watching natural selection in action. (Natural selection, of course, being one possible approach to those who ignore storm warnings. But that would be wrong.)

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 14, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm just hanging around with worms in my mouth ("baited" breath, get it? HAHAHAHOHOHEEhahaho... Gosh, I amuse myself sometimes) wanting, nay, NEEDING to hear the post-storm follow up with Ginger Saracco.

Posted by: Bob S. | September 14, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Great line from the SNL Tina Fey/Amy Poehler Sarah Palin/Hillary Clinton skit...

POEHLER AS CLINTON: "...So I invite the media to grow a pair. And if you can't, I will lend you mine."

Posted by: TBG | September 14, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"Scientists race to crack the potato's genetic code" is my favorite headline of the week. The story itself is just a story. But it then interested me because very few people make potato seeds. Breeders pretty much have to, of course.

Listening to Sarah Palin the other day, I started thinking her voice sounds very much like some fairly familiar person. I just couldn't think who. I finally thought I had it pinned down, and the person in question has a current tenuous link to the McCain campaign. I will leave this as an exercise to those who care to participate. (Although I'm not absolutely sure that is who I am reminded of, it's similar.)

Posted by: Jumper | September 14, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Imagine that your Mom is Sarah Palin. Sorry.
What name would she have given you?

I'd been Claw Washout Palin

Posted by: Boko999 | September 14, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

The facade-peeling of Galveston hotels is exactly what happened here in Frances and Jeanne. For some reason, building codes allowed (and evidently still allow) flimsy outer walls of nothing but steel studs covered with some sort of wallboard and stucco. One hotel looked as though it had been car-bombed (but bear in mind that constuction in Beirut is probably far sturdier). So it was stripped to its concrete skeleton, given a big new wing, and has been open for a while now, charging much higher room rates than before (I guess--no idea how many guests wangle discounts).

A few days ago, I mentioned dealing with a little bit of flood damage--a few inches in a friend's house. It was miserable. It'll be much worse for the broad swaths of Louisiana and Texas that went under.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 14, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

See the anti-palin signs that rhy referenced.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 14, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

From Boko's excellent link...

"TBG, if you were born to Sarah Palin, your name would be:

Filter Skate Palin

Who knows, Filter Skate Palin you just might be president one day!"

Posted by: TBG | September 14, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I was born in Southern Calif., so I figure if Sarah Palin had been my mom she would have named me Freeway.

Posted by: rhy | September 14, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully she wouldn't have named me concrete or arid.

Posted by: rhy | September 14, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Of course, there was a lot of smog at the time.... Sounds like the son of a dragon or a high ranking orc.

Posted by: rhy | September 14, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of overhyped stereotypes and "memes" (hate that word), I've been thinking it over, and discover I really don't like Palin's voice. It is whiny and smarmy and smug.

And so, in conclusion, my fellow Americans, I can honestly and truthfully say: I have no desire whatsoever to boff her. Tina Fey, sure. Sarah Palin, no.

Just thought that needed sayin' to counteract the whole "MILF" bull----.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled Sunday football pre-game watching (a.k.a. "foreplay").

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 14, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

A common colloquial expression in the English language, to "buy a pig in a poke," is to make a risky purchase without inspecting the item beforehand. The phrase can also be applied to accepting an idea or plan without a full understanding of its basis.-Wikipedia

American voters twice bought Bush in a bag. Don't *misunderestimate* the possibility they will do it again. As long as we fail to engage the far right on their own turf, the more they will gain ground. RD is correct that advocates and critics of the candidates "end up doing nothing but talking to themselves."

Posted by: Shiloh | September 14, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I think Palin would have named me for her original Wasilla church: "Assembly" (of God). I probably would have been plagued with a shortened, three-letter nickname the rest of my life (rather than the occasional usage that has occurred).

Posted by: Shiloh | September 14, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

The other thing that Andrew Sullivan has noted is the lefty blogs, by concentrating on Palin, are drowning out Obama's message. He's getting almost no coverage these days, Biden even less. So the Rovian trap works again.

Palin's voice and delivery is the first thing that annoyed me about her. No doubt about it, for me. Not sure who Jumper is thinking of. I still say she reminds me of Dana Carvey's Church Lady. No desire on my part to boff either one. And Tina Fey does a wonderful, pitch perfect impression of Palin.

On people who don't leave - I have some sympathy for people who don't have the money to get out of Dodge on short notice. When I was in Houston, I scraping by. I went to the ATM before Hurricane Alicia hit - the ATM was down, so I couldn't withdraw the $20 in our account. I would be willing to get on a bus and go to a shelter, but I bet Mr Ml would not. During Alicia, he was working at the MD Anderson medical facility, and had to stay there (he was doing some kind of facilities support then). The kiddo and I stayed with friends who had a more sturdy house (made of brick!) on higher ground.

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 14, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

ML, I, too, have much sympathy for people who don't have the means to evacuate: urban people who don't have cars and are poor, etc. (But in all the interviews on TV, did you ever see one with a poor person who told the TV person: "I just don't have any moiney, I have no car. There's no transportation. I think I'm stuck."

Did you see any interviews with nursing home staff, describing the hardships and hurdles they have to face to move their patients?

Me, neither. And I'm sure such people where out there.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 14, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow, good story, Joel, about second thoughts. What an experience: miserable and exciting all at once. Can't really fathom too many of those in a lifetime without getting high blood pressure or something akin.

Posted by: eidrib | September 14, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

SCC I'da' been. Of course!

TBG That naming thingy sure has your number. Nobody is better than skating the filter (Dirty Wird, that is) around here.

Posted by: Boko999 | September 14, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

SCCs- at, than, you. Where is up to you. I quit.

Posted by: Boko999 | September 14, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Ha! Boko... not sure if I should be pissed off or flattered. I'll take flattered... so thanks!

Posted by: TBG | September 14, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I've started to become a faithful reader of Andrew Sullivan. He's one of those writers whose opinion I can't always predict. I like that in a person.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 14, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

My clock radio woke me up with this today:
The High Kings, from Ireland. I saw them on some sort of Irish music show on PBS a couple months ago. Really like them.

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 14, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Too bad the current administration doesn't "believe in" government at all. We might have one that functions otherwise.

Posted by: Jumper | September 14, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

'mudge - Very, very seldom do I disagree with you 'bout anything substantive, but I really like the word "meme". I sometimes get tired of its overuse and/or misuse, but I think it was a rather brilliant coinage.

Posted by: Bob S. | September 14, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm nigh on half a century old, and if I've learned one thing, it's that you can't make a silk purse out of the ear of a pig that's wearing lipstick in a poke!

Posted by: Bob S. | September 14, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I'd be happy with one that even functioned this well!
and it looks good, too.

Posted by: Jumper | September 14, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Jumper - Wow! I don't think that I've ever heard the following phrase before, and I'm certain that I've never used it before, but:

That is brutally cool!

Posted by: Bob S. | September 14, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The 'Skins are performing better than I expected...

But may I direct your attention to the Vikings??


Posted by: Scottynuke | September 14, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, bone stuff, non? Ossum.

Posted by: Jumper | September 14, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Mostly, Dana Carvey also has done impressions of Bush (senior), so free-associate all you want.

I tried a few different names and got a unprintable name including W, and a few involving animals.

I think "Rust Mustang" is my favorite. Just call me Rusty n Musty.

Wilbrodog gets "Froth Moonshine".

Barack would be "Mangle Blue", and
Barack Obama would be "Tarp Lazer"

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 14, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Remarks on pit bulls and pigs from the Sermon on the Mount:

"Give not that which is holy to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

Which leads to the fuller version of the citation posted by Bob S.:

If you cast pearls before pigs in a poke, you can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear without being stomped on and ripped apart by pit bulls and pigs wearing lipstick. - from the original Aramaic Dead Sea scroll fragments translated by Edward Bulwer-Lytton.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 14, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Frostdottir was almost taken in by Sarah Palin, via her boyfriend's Florida insanity (he's moving to MN so we are hopeful), but after I mentioned Sarah's anti-polar bear pro-aerial hunting stands the dott did something that made me proud-diverged from rep talking points and checked out wiki. Two minutes of reading ended the unholy flirtation and spawned frantic communication via facebook, texting, and actual voice phone calls to turn the tide among her young circle of Florida conservative friends. Obama better get his campaign into high offensive gear shortly! She can't call every voter in Florida.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

You could bump her up to the unlimited minutes plan, frosti...


Posted by: Scottynuke | September 14, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Now, we must be politically correct here to avoid offending swine.

I recommend the expression "Buying squirrels in duffels."

Aussies would buy jumbucks in tucker bags.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 14, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Not wallabies in dijeridoos? :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 14, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

There is an article in Harpers this month that explains how grass fires in the woods also burn the low-growth shrubs, and so the shrubs and trees never build up and the fires never reach the crowns of the old growth trees. And how the ruminants such as deer and cattle suppress grass fires by eating the grass, so the shrubs and new-growth trees build up, and then drought-and-lightning fires WILL burn into the tops of the old growth trees, and how wolves help eat the deer which eat the grass which burns the shrubs but not the trees.

In other words, kill the wolves = lose the old forest.

Posted by: Jumper | September 14, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

And let's not forget the MOST important job of watering trees properly, Jumper!

Posted by: Wilbrodog | September 14, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Even with ongoing rookieness from Bush, I withdraw my earlier assessment of the 'Skins...

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

But I do reiterate...

The Metrodome is getting very interesting.

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 14, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

s'nuke-you aren't kidding. I hate getting sucked in by the Vikes, but maybe this year they'll be great (sigh).

Posted by: frostbitten | September 14, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

When pigs fly!

I love Dana Carvey. He also did a great Ross Perot. Carvey was the entertainment at a conference I went to, back in 2000 - he was just fabulous. I laughed so hard I almost couldn't breathe.

Another Boodle-NPR intersection, about whale fossils.
Dooley must be really busy - wonder if he knows about the Mega BPH...

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 14, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse



(No, I'm not having sex or reading James Joyce.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 14, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Just don't ever try both, Mudge. I mean, I've heard stories.

Also, I'm playing with Chrome here. So I assume this comment will show up as being all cutting edge and stuff.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 14, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

...but I've already tried both, Padouk. One was definitely better than the other.

Oh, you meant at the same time. I see your point.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 14, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Oooohhhh, maaaan. Sigh.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 14, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Which game are you watching, Frosty? (Or what bodice-ripper are you reading?)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 14, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Vikings:Colts Mudge. Colts scored the go ahead field goal with :03 left. So close, yet so far.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Party over at the Zorn's.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 14, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Good editorial in the Seattle paper today. A few excerpts...

"Conservatism, an ideology once driven by principle, has shrunk until its purview can be, and often is, delineated in three syllables: God, guns, gays. Worse, it has embraced a win-at-all-costs ethos and intellectual dishonesty that are, even by the seamy standards of modern politics, astonishing."


"Now, I don't care what your ideology is: You cannot, if you've got half a brain, define that as anything but hypocrisy. And if true conservatives hate seeing that kind of duplicity associated with conservatism, I understand. But I have a question for them: Where have you been the past 15 years? Where were you when conservatism was untethered from principle, unhooked from reality? Where were you when it became smug and self-righteous, when it traded its integrity for situational outrage, its credibility for angry certitude, its honor for ballot-box success? Where were you when it sold out to evangelicals and anti-intellectuals? Where were you when it got hijacked?"

Posted by: TBG | September 14, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I wish you all would remember that we're not all watching in REAL TIME.

Posted by: TBG | September 14, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Great editorial TBG. Thanks for the link!

I'll be tucking a copy away for future use.

Posted by: Fifty | September 14, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

You mean you have the game delayed?

Oh gosh. Sorry. But think of the opportunities to make some seriously profitable wagers.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 14, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

What's everyone make of Rove giving so much advice to the Democratic party? What confuses me is some of it actually is, well, sound.

The Obama camp's take:

"In case anyone was still wondering whether John McCain is running the sleaziest, most dishonest campaign in history, today Karl Rove - the man who held the previous record - said McCain's ads have gone too far," said Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor.

Posted by: dbG | September 14, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Rove is to campaigning what purging is to weight loss.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 14, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Ooops. Sorry, TBG. Um... gee, I hope the Redskins win. And I hope Moss gets a really long touchdown to get the go-ahead. And then a few plays later, it would be nice if the Skins intercept, and then run out the clock.

Just a fantasy. Don't pay any attention, TBG. It'll never happen.

I have similar but probably futile hopes about tomorrow night and the Iggles.

Yeah, sorry about that one, Frosty. There was a bit of pre-game buzz about the Vikes upsetting the Colts. If it helps any, I was rootin' for ya.

I guess Joel and DofC might be the only two possibly concerned with the Jaguars game. Sorry, fellas.

Hey, where's Bertooch, Yoki and CP today? You guys can come out of hiding, now.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 14, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Odd, Rove is advising McCain's campaign. Maybe he's sore that they didn't take his advice on certain lines of attack?

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 14, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

A roundtable guest on This Week (and not George Will) suggests hitting McCain where he hurts and calling his recent commercials "dishonorable". If that doesn't get him to notice, nothing will.

That steam punk monitor is ultra-cool. the fact that the buttons are functional takes the cake.

Posted by: yellojkt aka Wrangler Tractor Palin | September 14, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Rove was fired by GHW Bush's campaign back in 1992 for leaking negative story about a fundraiser for Bush.

So backstabbing his boss on the campaign trail is nothing new, I suppose. Perhaps Rove did it on purpose so he'd be jettisoned from an sinking campaign ship.

We all know the saying about rats leaving a sinking ship...

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 14, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Hi All!


Just checking to see if you got my T-shirt order. I am probably just being paranoid. :o)

Go Broncos!
(not enough AFC West representation around here)

Posted by: Moose | September 14, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

My name would be Clip Dragon Palin and my husband would be Hen Waffle Palin.

Thanks for the comic relief, Boko.

Posted by: Moose | September 14, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

True 911 call:

Big hero dog news:
When dog's owner had seizure
Dog dials nine-one-one

My dream 911 call:

Gnome is down on floor,
Hurry with ambulance-- and
Bring pizza, I'm starved.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | September 14, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

SCC the "and" on that haiku.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | September 14, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Hi all,

One happy husband in the Kim household. Yea Redskins!

I'm just back from a weekend away. No signs of terrible weather in the Outer Banks. Sunshine, reasonable humidity, NO POLITICAL talk (thank goodness!), lots of good food and chitchat, so all is good. I'm trying to catch up- is JA still in Galveston? It sounds like it's pretty grim there-

I have to backboodle to see if boodlers have been having fun with the "what would Sarah Palin have named me" game. (since I only went back about an hour) I think I might be Palmtree or perhaps Biscayne.

In keeping with my no more news, no more blogs (except this one!) I can't comment on Palin's interview. It's better that way.

Posted by: Kim | September 14, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Mudge; hi everybody--

We're back from vacation, and tonight I'll upload some pictures and some reportage from Sanibel Island--lovely place, we had a wonderful time. There were coonties.

But now I'm off for a long walk--back in an hour or so...

Posted by: kbertocci | September 14, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I suspect Palin would have named me one of three things:

Bilge Water [Curmudgeon]
Yardarm [Curmudgeon]
or Poop Deck [Curmudgeon]

Tony Hillerman would have given a good Navaho name: Plankwalker.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't follow Harper's, but William Stolzenburg's new book "Where the Wild Things Were: Life, Death, and Ecological Wreckage in a Land of Vanishing Predators" seems to cover the a lot of fascinating ecology. To put it one way, knowledgeable Wyomingites suspected there were at least a few wolves living in Yellowstone and vicinity until wolves were actually released and abruptly changed the place dramatically.

Fire ecology is a huge subject. Harpers has a 1958 story titled something like "Southerners who set fire to the woods". I think they viewed it as arson, plain and simple. What researchers at Tall Timbers and a relatively few other places worked out was the obvious--southern pinelands (including some that are mostly grass, low shrubs, or saw palmetto) are fire-dependent. They have burned frequently since time immemorial. So much so, that pines and araucarias (in the southern hemisphere) not dependent on fire seem to be ecological oddities.

A bit less known is that eastern oak forests seem also to have been at least somewhat fire dependent. I can't finger the source, but recent research re-inspected sites that JT Curtis had studied in Wisconsin circa 1950. Oak woods, protected from fire, had uniformly declined. I think Curtis was smart enough that he would have expected as much. He was setting fire to prairies and examining the results. A celebrated Disney movie was staged on Curtis's artificial prairie in Madison.

By the way, Curtis's book on the vegetation of Wisconsin is a classic, well worth reading by anyone interested in Midwestern nature.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

What about northern pinelands, Dave? Such as up in Haute Maine?

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 14, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Glad to have you back. So you did go to Sanibel like I recommended. I'm dying to see if its still as pretty as it was twenty-five years ago when we skipped school, bought some rum and spent the next-to-last day of school there.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 14, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

HI Mudge,

Lurking and prepping for classes. Through the Palin-o-name-a-rama, I would have been


for the county that Great Falls, Montana is in. But, otherwise, some sort of German schsnitzel-pudel of a name because I was born in German near a US Army base. How about

Weidenbaum = Willow

Kb- Counties! How fun. Hope you had some good weather.

As for the earlier thread about the ways liberals might speak about conservatives: on a college campus, the general demeanor of campus liberals toward in-county conservatives is rather

withering, brainiac, elitist, sneering

toward the great unwashed.

The critique has to do with an "intellectual emptiness" and does not resort to earthy bar room name-calling.

Shout out to RDP about Andrew Sullivan: yes, always good to read thoughtful people and bonus points for not binge able to (always) predict his opinion. I protect myself often, on campus, by invoking the Andrew Sullivan view on this or that.

Back to stuffs. I fear I shall begin the week in a deep, deep, hole, rather like a grave! I may signal for a rope or hoist up and out.

Posted by: College Parkian | September 14, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

CP.. we're here with rope if you need us.

kb... so glad to see you back. I'm sure you'll be sorry in the morning when you see the pile of work that's sure to be on your desk. I hope you had a nice, relaxing vacation. So glad you weren't in the path of any storms.

Posted by: TBG | September 14, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Dolphie! Do you know about the Mega BPH on October 4?

Buffalo Billards at 5 pm in the Victorian Room.

Boodlers traveling from all over to be there... we'll be expecting you!

Posted by: TBG | September 13, 2008 11:38 AM

Hello TBG!!!! Thanks for the note. I haven't been keeping up, but I am putting the date into my calendar and will do my best! Thanks for including me!!!

Posted by: Dolphin Michael | September 14, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, TBG.I fixed a headlamp to my tinfoil hat, so I should be good to go. But you could leave a marked path so I get through the thickets quickly. However, breadcrumbs will be eaten by birds, so how about some glow-in-the-pebbles, in a Hansl-Gretl pattern?

Posted by: College Parkian | September 14, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

*faxing Padouk and Don from I-270 CP's GPS coordinates, in case they can insert some of their black helicopters to extract CP from her crater if she needs it. Issuing orders for the Dawn Patrol to remain on standby to fly CAP air cover over the extraction site. Have left orders to get the old Vickers Vimy out of mothballs and prepped to air-drop supplies if the black helicopters can't make it.*

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 14, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

You're welcome Moose. I was just passing along extremely important stuff.

I report. You deride.

Scalia is on 60 Min.

Back! Back!

Posted by: Boko999 | September 14, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Moose... yes, I did get your t-shirt order. Thanks!

Posted by: TBG | September 14, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

It's confirmed. We're all rich. At least those of us that live in Fairfax, Loudoun, Howard, or Prince Williams County:

How does it feel?

Posted by: yellojkt | September 14, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the naming link, Boko (I think). I loved mine - Chalk Revelations
Makes me want to compose a rant on the sidewalk.

Posted by: Out I-81 | September 14, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Shell collecting on Sanibel was great in the 1950s, but island shell collecting potential went downhill after the bridge was build in '63. My pack rat sister in Ft Myers still has shells we collected as kids, most of them made into some sort of shell-craft thing. Crafts have been her life work. I will never forget coming home from Korea and being presented with a fruit bowl crafted from one of the Maria Callas Angel LP records that I had entrusted to her in my absence. My entire collection had been melted in a frenzy of fruit bowl crafting that Christmas. I never let her forget it.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 14, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh, what was Sanibel like in the '50s? I have not been there since the early '70s.

Posted by: CB | September 14, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

CB: In the '50s and early '60s the only way to Sanibel was by ferry or boat. We drove from Ft Lauderdale to the Tamiami Trail (US41) to the ferry. There were two motels back then, few residences and a private club at Captiva. There was only one store on the island - a Mom and Pop grocery and sundry store - an early version of a convenience store - it added a gas station about 1964 or '65 after the first bridge was built. I think I was last there about then. We moved to Destin in '68 when Ft Lauderdale got too crowded. Ha!

Posted by: Shiloh | September 14, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Joel - If you're still in Galveston, could you find out what happened to the Elissa, a tall-ship usually docked at Pier 22?

Posted by: astromom | September 14, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the tip, Shiloh. On some boards, emoticons are derided ... hadn't noticed which way the wind blew on this one!

Oh, my poor Vikes. Skol, Vikings, let's go! Well, next time, anyway.

Posted by: KPage | September 14, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh and yellojkt, and all--

Sanibel is still very nice, but certainly changed from the pre-bridge days. The shelling is touted and in fact there are shells EVERYWHERE--but they are fairly unimpressive specimens for the most part. Still it was fun searching for "the good ones" -- my husband and I had different standards because I was looking for shells good enough to bring back as gifts and he was looking for decorations for his garden. I found a piece of a sand dollar--about a sand dime's worth--that gave me hope that if I kept looking for another 2 or 3 months I might eventually find a sand dollar worth keeping.

TBG, I am not looking forward to work tomorrow. I did look at my emails but didn't open all of them. If those people can't understand what "On Vacation" means, well, all I can say is, "EXCUUUUUUSE MEEEE!"

And so, good night everybody. Oh--here's the link to my pathetic, sleepy attempt at blogging about the trip. Maybe I'll improve it later, maybe not...

Posted by: kbertocci | September 14, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

kber glad you had a nice time in Sanibel, our friends have a place (time share) there, we have gone done a couple of times and really enjoyed it. Sanibel and Perdido Key in the panhandle are the top two places of the ones I have visited in Florida.

Posted by: dmd | September 14, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, the Vickers?
Ah, I know how you are about Brit machinery...

Granted, that crate's about ready to go, but you know *nobody's* particularly accurate dropping anything out of it.

I'd rather you took the Curtiss Jenny 'cause she's less likely to act up. Plus, I'll need some help moving stuff around in the hangar to get the Vickers out. And I know you like to supervise when any time I have to touch the Spitfire...


Posted by: bc | September 14, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

for Dave of the Coonties. et al

Posted by: Jumper | September 14, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

De Havilland's Comet - G-ACSP is so overlooked - can't see out the windscreen! Yet oh, she was so fine.

Posted by: Jumper | September 14, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: The Guess Who :-) | September 14, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

That was yesterday. Today is:

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 14, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I've never visited Maine, but I assume their pinelands would support canopy fires that kill the adult trees. Lodgepole pines in the northern Rockies do that. In Florida, it's sand pines (at least most of the some places they customarily die of old age or hurricane damage).

A good example of sand pine ecology came from Jack Stout, an ecologist now retired from the University of Central Florida.

Driving into a nascent subdivision near Universal Studios, he pointed out the understory, which was entirely "Florida rosemary", actually a needle-leaved shrub from an oddball family that only grows from seed, only in the wake of a ground-clearing fire. The canopy was entirely sand pine. Almost certainly, the pines and rosemaries grew from seed on a site left bare by the immolation of a previous generation of pines and rosemaries.

Flowering at the bulldozed edges of the newly-built streets were scrub lupines, a nearly-extinct species. Presumably the parents of these plants had grown as the pine and rosemary seeds were sprouting. Then no lupines to be seen until the bulldozers arrived.

My Wyoming summers with the BLM were more hectic than fire tower duty (in our part of the world, BLM didn't have lookouts anyway). Summer was the season for assessing rangeland and checking fences, reservoirs, and such. The summer college students were a mixed bunch. One of the more memorable was the srawny bird kid from someplace like Ohio who arrived without a car, yet somehow managed to go anywhere he wanted for the weekend. He saw a lot more birds and ecological stuff than anyone else we had that summer. A year or two later, he was at Pinedale, looking the compleat cowboy.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 15, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Toodles boodle and g'dnight. Finished the Ikea death march of closet organization and it is wonderful-with but one item to be returned and two different things purchased in its place. Not bad at all.

Wilbrod-thanks for the Sinfest links!

I'd be Slap Spear if Sarah Palin had named me. Makes my grandmother's desire for a grandbaby named Scarlet seem ok.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 15, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Somewhat insomniac from the Wall Street news. It wasn't exactly unexpected, but still shocking. I doubt the markets expected anything quite like this on Friday. FT reports the Fed organized a Sunday afternoon trading session "to unwind the rush" on Monday morning. We're in strange territory, all right.

Recent experience with wind-damaged electricity distribution systems in Florida bodes ill for Houston. Even with armies of tree trimmers clearing the way for rebuilt power lines and additional armies of electrical crews, it's slow going. It took forever to get Palm Beach County back from hurricane Wilma of 2005.

I'm very fortunate to live in a town with its own municipal power, which has made possible the undergrounding of quite a lot of the system. Not to mention the town has better access to emergency help than the big power companies!

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 15, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Yep, bad news from Wall Street. Lehman Brothers file for bankruptcy. Merrill Lynch sold to Bank of America. Trouble looms for the insurance giant, American International Group. There’s still more bad news to come.

Posted by: rainforest | September 15, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. Kbert, glad you enjoyed your vacation,and as always, glad you're back too. I did not get a chance to check in yesterday. My hip hurt so bad, I had to take pain medication,and it knocks me out. It does feel a little better this morning.

Martooni, Scotty, Slyness, Mudge, good Monday morning to you, and to all. *waving*

I see greed has paid the ultimate price this morning with Lehman Brothers, and the rest of the financial giants. And to think people want more of this, I find hard to believe. But, hey, what do I know. Gas here has shot up here something awful. I hope it bottoms out soon.

Perhaps there is someone here that can tell me what this financial mess means for the poor of this world because there are repercussions for all of us I suspect? Doesn't this just further sink us in the international community too?

I'm seriously thinking of sending my application in for a bailout. Perhaps the feds will have sympathy for me, and bail me out. They shouldn't be out of "too" much money. If there's someone here that might have some free time to help with my application, please email me?

Ivansmom, glad to hear the Boy is feeling better, and all good enough to win fencing battles. Yeah, Boy. When you talk about fencing, I'm reminded of King Arthur.

Have a good day, folks, in spite of it being Monday. Yesterday's weather was hot and humid. It is suppose to cool off at some point this week,looking forward to that.

I want to swim this morning, but afraid for the hip. Ah, the joy of getting older.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 15, 2008 5:12 AM | Report abuse

Almost forgot....

Please keep the people of Haiti in your prayers. According to most news reports, it is bad there. With four storms bearing down on them, it made a bad situation even worse. There is great need for food and water.

And remember our neighbors in the Gulf coast also. I watched some of the aftermath on television yesterday. It also is bad in places. I agree with some of you concerning the evacuation orders. It is hard for people to move when money and other essentials are short, yet if transportation is provided, it is a serious consideration. I don't think people should underestimate the seriousness of a hurricane. Even after landfall, these weather systems are deadly. When my family and I left our mobile home during Hurricane Fran, we didn't even have to walk hardly, the wind was so strong, it kind of pushed us along, as if it would pick us up and throw us. Scary.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 15, 2008 5:40 AM | Report abuse

I guess the BSDs at Lehman are no longer Masters of The Universe. That was your Lewis/Wolfe shout-out for the morning.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 15, 2008 5:52 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Glad to see Cassandra and yello are already up. yello, I've submitted your 5:52 to our crack cryptography department for decipherment, since I am clueless to what it says. "Masters of the Universe" and "Lehman" were the only parts I understood. I hope there was nothing in it referencing this morning's air operations. Strict hush-hush, you know (we're flying air cover over CP).

bc, the Vimy has a range of 900 miles and a load capacity of 2,450 pounds; the Jenny JN-4 (main variants, anyway) could only fly about 200 miles (and its entire weight was less than the Vimy's carrying capacity). But, yes, I do have a fondness for the old Brit designs, I confess it. (By the way, did you know the Canadian version of the Jenny was called the "Canuck"? 'Tis true.) Besides, I've been heavily lobbied by the spruce plywood industry; we have to keep our Vimy production lines open "just in case" there's a resurgence of Bismarckism in Deutschland, or the Mohammedans act up again in Persia or Abyssinia. Ya gotta love a bomber that can be built with the tools in Norm Abrams' garage.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 6:10 AM | Report abuse


Markets are going to shake today. Europe is down (or was when I looked) 2.5 to 4 percent. I am still trying to figure out what the difference is between 3 pm Friday and 4 am this morning.

Posted by: Dolphin Michael | September 15, 2008 6:12 AM | Report abuse

FYI, the spruce fuselage and canvas-covered wings of the Vimy give her a *very* minimal radar signature. Very stealthy airplane, that.

Except for the dripping oil. And perhaps we should rig a muffler of some sort. And an umbrella, in case it rains.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 6:16 AM | Report abuse

'morning boodle. The expected monsoon didn't come. We had barelyv half an inch of rain. That is a good thing as we were already drenched anyway.
Ah, canvas and wood airplane. Like wooden boats, they are nice but the mainteance...

"An island covered in rubbish", by you-know-who.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 15, 2008 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Dolph: Lehman Bros bankruptcy became certain yesterday evening. This may be a black Monday.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 15, 2008 6:36 AM | Report abuse

Dolphin Michael! Long time no see. Welcome to the Dawn Patrol. Slap on a leather helmet and get flying.

BSD is not Berkeley Software Distribution. It's a running motif in "Liar's Poker" and probably not Boodle-safe.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 15, 2008 6:40 AM | Report abuse

Why you had to get me thinking about @#$@@% Cheney's sexual adventures? And this early on Monday morning!

I'm expecting a free shipment of mind bleach from you. Lilac scented, please.

Posted by: DNA Girl | September 15, 2008 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning, you all.

Thanks for the Forbes link, yello. You know when we moved to Fairfax County in '62, it was to an apartment in Annandale; then a couple years later a new house off of Braddock Road, and finally in '81 to our present house off of Hunter Mill Rd. We've seen a lot of living over the years, and a whole lot of growth. I'm thankful we don't have to move, that we can stay put for a little while longer, wouldn't want to have to try to sell our house in this RE market. I'm not even sure we could AFFORD to move and stay within the County. Teachers, cops, firefighters, nurses, service providers for the disabled who serve this county increasingly live further out. With the revelation that Prince Wm, Loudon, Arlington Co. & City of Alexandria (even Fredericksburg area) are just behind us in income and property values am wondering how long before our NO. VA ballon will burst?

Also was surprised to see Montgomery Co. MD has fallen to 8th place, they used to be at the top of the list, what happened there?

Posted by: VintageLady | September 15, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Ouch! Just reviewed pre-opening bids on financial stocks and expect a rout this morning. It would not surprise me to see a post-9-11 kind of panic as people bail. I reduced every one of my pre-opening bids by 20% and may still get stuck if they go lower. I don't think anything is "safe" but will wait to late in the day or later to go scavenging for shells ("the good ones') on the littoral detritus of washed up companies. But I won't panic and sell - more often then not I double down and cost average to my advantage when the market recovers.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 15, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Good morning all, and happy Monday. I suppose it won't be a happy day on Wall Street. What was that story yesterday, that the economy isn't in such bad shape? Oh yeah? My investments have been battered, I hope they will recover during a Democratic administration. Good thing I don't have to depend on them (primarily) for my operating income.

Posted by: slyness | September 15, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Um, uh, Slyness, the democrats have the control of the house and senate. What did you expect?

Posted by: R. Publi | September 15, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm still recovering from trying to mow the lawn yesterday, even after having waited until the sun was almost down...


But YAY for the 'Skins, Pats, and BoSox!! I apologize for my lack of faith in Zorn, Campbell and Co. I really was pulling for the Vikes, too. And anyone want to bet the Denver-S.D. debacle will lead to more ref calls being subject to challenge?

*off-to-the-races-with-a-quick-flyby-to-CP-drop-a-bushel-of-oranges Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 15, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

The Dems have a majority in the house and senate, but I wouldn't say they have control.

Posted by: TBG | September 15, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

And may I say, JA's coverage really outshines the NYT. So NOT a surprise.

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 15, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

I suggested at another site that the federal government could raise cash by selling Alaska back to the Russians and mortgaging other federal lands to China and India.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 15, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Good morning Boodle.

Besides the market whatevergonnahappen shakes, NATO is doing very stupid things. Like sending its 22 ambassadors to visit Georgia.

The consequenses are totally unpredictable.

Posted by: Brag | September 15, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad I don't have to rely on investment income. Could get ugly. I can't pretend to understand it all, but this line on the WaPo caught my attention :

"What worries regulators and Wall Street is a massive, multitrillion-dollar lattice of interlocking financial instruments known as derivatives."

Ya just don't hear the phrase "multitrillion-dollar" all that often.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 15, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Scotty, you certainly may! JA must have gotten out of the hotel yesterday with some of the rescue workers? His work is outstanding....wonder when he will be able to come back home.

Larder is nearly empty here after the week-end, and I'm not flying over CP's way, but will be happy to send her some good peaches and a three pound bag of chocolate chips via one of you birders. :-)

Posted by: VintageLady | September 15, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I think somebody's gonna get in trouble: that sailboat in the photo on the front page is sailing down the wrong side of the street.

R Publi, you're such a tool.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

"...some good peaches and a three pound bag of chocolate chips"

Is there anything that can't make better?


Posted by: TBG | September 15, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

VL - I'll wave as I drive by today.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 15, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Today's Doonesbury could explain why JA's so happy to be sent on assignment...

Posted by: TBG | September 15, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Signs are that BAC (Bank of America) will drop about $6+ a share (20%) on the opening bell, but may go lower, losing 40% or more of current value before this begins to turn around.

The late Everett Dirksen once said "A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you're talking real money." The multi-trillion dollar global market references are "real money" - even though it's mostly electronic these days.

Selling Alaska, at least mineral rich ANWR, would not be the first time a government has been bailed out by land sales. The State of Florida sold 4 million acres of state lands to Hamilton Disston at 25 cents an acre ($1 million) in the 1880s to keep a state land trust from going into bankruptcy. Disston was for a time the largest private landowner in the country. Today the state is trying to buy back some of that land from sugar cane holdings around Lake Okechobee for $4 billion.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 15, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Canadian Health&Care Mall started as a multistore based in Toronto and Ottawa in early 90s. Health&Care chain store system has been growing from year to year and finally has resulted in the current online project, as a result of operating not just as a family pharmacy but also as a store of so-called "useful things" . We tried to obtain the benefit from our previous experience and to create a really competing online resource for absolutely any customer. Though the idea is standard you may be absolutely sure that the filling is unique and has no analogues all over the Internet. We would like to admit that our online store is operating independently from the offline store system.

Posted by: Health&Care Mall | September 15, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Here's one for Dolphin:

BAC buying Merrill-Lynch for $53 billion in all stock transaction:

Merrill surged 39.4%, while Bank of America shares fell 14.6%.

"When a company like Bank of America wants to buy one of the biggest retail brokers in existence, it says there's life after death," noted Mike Lenhoff, chief strategist at Brewin Dolphin Stockbrokers in London.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 15, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Since it appears the Bush people have crashed the economy so effectively it seems almost planned, no one can figure out what possible motive there might be for such actions. The multi-trillion dollar derivatives market might be the key. If they've leveraged against the dollar and other indicators, they stand to rip off the entire world.

Posted by: Jumper | September 15, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

What's the trickle down effect of all this financial bad news, if any? Anyone? And excuse the question concerning poor people, I forgot we(poor)live in a separate world.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 15, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for having my back, TBG and Mudge. I do appreciate the support. Yeah, the economy's in great shape. We'll see what happens here in ten minutes when the markets open.

Heck of an investment for the Disston family, eh, Shiloh? Of course, 125 years is a long time for payback.

Posted by: slyness | September 15, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

"...the current banking crisis is probably the worst since the 1930s."


We need an FDR, not a Hoover.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 15, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Set the zapper to "Canadian Content."

Posted by: Boko999 | September 15, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Don't panic - I keep telling myself that as my investments lose over 15% at the opening bell - and the losses increase by the minute.

I wisely cancelled or reduced three buy orders before the market opened this morning, and all three opened below my original buy price, but above my new low buy.

Disston sold half of his 4 million Florida acres to an Englishman Sir Edward James Reed MP, for $600,000 within 6 months, effective reducing his cost of the remaining acres to 20 cents per.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 15, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Front page alert for Capn Chucky's website

As usual, Wikipedia has a good overview of the Lehmans. I was familiar with some of this history from reading a little book titled "The Merchant Bankers."

Posted by: Jumper | September 15, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Yes please, Zap the 9:17 blog spam. Thanks.

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 15, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see a show of hands amongst all the Wall Street traders and any other Republicans who are confident and happy that George Bush is our president during this financial meltdown.

I'm also eagerly awaiting the first learned analysis that pinpoints the blame for this disaster EXACTLY where it belongs: on Reagan and Conswerv's deregulation of the banking system, and their philosophy regarding deregulation and "getting the govt. off our backs." OK, we got the govt. off the backs of the bankers. Now we're paying for it.

And guess what? Paybacks are hell.

Poor Obama. When he takes office, he'll have not one but TWO wars on his hands, AND
a domestic economy to rebuild, along with the Gulf Coast. I wouldn't plan on any weekend loafing around the White House if I were him.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Yes, TBG, I thought the same thing reading the Doonesbury... *SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 15, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Although I'm sure Sarah Palin could handle it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

With 500 B in debt, a financial meltdown/potential rebound (to the bottom),and two wars as stated by Mudge, I am wondering anyone would still be interested in the top job of the country, without blink?

Posted by: daiwanlan | September 15, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON (AFP)--Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama on Monday blamed Republicans for the "most serious financial crisis" since the 1930s after Wall Street debt woes sent global markets into meltdown.

Republican candidate John McCain meanwhile blamed a faulty patchwork of regulatory oversight for causing shocks such as the Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. (LEH) bankruptcy that forced central banks to pump billions into money markets.

"The challenges facing our financial system today are more evidence that too many folks in Washington and on Wall Street weren't minding the store," Obama said in a statement.

"Eight years of policies that have shredded consumer protections, loosened oversight and regulation, and encouraged outsized bonuses to CEOs while ignoring middle-class Americans have brought us to the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression," the U.S. senator from Illinois said.

Squarely blaming Republican President George W. Bush's administration for the crisis, Obama warned "this turmoil is a major threat to our economy and its ability to create good-paying jobs and help working Americans pay their bills, save for their future, and make their mortgage payments

Posted by: Shiloh | September 15, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Richard Cohen's "Post Partisan" piece is pretty good, BTW:

I have a suggestion for any Boodler with a wee bit of free time: how about collecting all the links for Joel's Galveston hurricane articles in one short list. I'd guess there are eight or ten of them by now, and I know I missed a few.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

What Mudge says. This one has deep roots.

And it was all for the want of a bigger more expensive house, a McMansion. sigh.

Posted by: dr | September 15, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

And may I say, apropos of nothing, that the new Seinfeld/Gates ad makes even LESS sense?

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 15, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Well, I'M terrified. So I'm going shopping! I mean right now. Later, Boodle

Posted by: Jumper | September 15, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Two wars?


With our policy toward Pakistan, we have a third war brewing. Actually, it has already started and it will grow.

To top it all off, book sales are waaaay down. :(

Posted by: Brag | September 15, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Ya know, Scotty, my wife and I saw that ad, and looked at each other and said, "Wha....?"

There seems to be a growing trend on Madison Avenue about creating ads that are utterly incomprehensible, and/or fail to identify what, exactly, they are selling. And it's getting worse and worse.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Hurricane Merrill-Lehman has pushed Ike into the agate on the home page.

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 15, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

You know, it's probably time for Rick Redfern to retire. He and Joanie were born in the middle 30's, IIRC, so I hope he can afford to take a buyout and go. WaPo will never be the same, but that's true whenever anybody we love leaves.


Posted by: slyness | September 15, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Good point, Brag. Two, three, four wars...anything much above "one" at a time and they all start blurring together, know what I mean?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Wow, that Toles cartoon doesn't pull any punches.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Dow just went UP 50 points in the last 7 minutes. Perhaps anyone contemplating jumping off a building should wait until lunch before doing so.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, the comment monster won't let me post all the links in one comment...

Here are the first three:

On Galveston Island, Adrenaline Before the Storm

Galveston Resident Rides Out Storm

Texans Take Shelter, Feel First Effects of Ike

Posted by: kbertocci | September 15, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Darn, Mudge, you beat me to it! Yeah, maybe we'll weather this storm. As long as Bank of America is okay, I'm okay.

Posted by: slyness | September 15, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Numbers 4-6:

Galveston is Transformed into an Island of Second Thoughts

Ike Roars Through Gulf Coast

What's Left: A Ravaged Island Covered With Rubbish

Posted by: kbertocci | September 15, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse


Along Texas Coast, 'Monumental' Damage

Posted by: kbertocci | September 15, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Is anyone here familiar with Facebook? If so, what is the difference between a 'Send Name a Message' and a 'Poke Name'?

Posted by: omni | September 15, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I luv the market.

Posted by: Tigger999 | September 15, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

A show of hands for those that voted for George W. Bush? Don't be shy people, come on?

Posted by: cassandra s | September 15, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Bertooch, you are, as always, a gem among gems. Thanks.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Good morning! Thanks, kbertocci!

No Bush votes from the Ivansclan, cassandra! not guilty, not guilty, not guilty. Not even the Boy voted for him.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 15, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

raising my hand.

Posted by: moderate alien | September 15, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I know it's been said here before, but remember back to the 2000 election and all the pundits said there was very little difference between Gore and Bush?

Well... imagine what our country would be like now if Gore had been elected instead.

Posted by: TBG | September 15, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Once or twice? (Not guilty on both counts)

Posted by: dbG | September 15, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Not I, Cassandra, Not I. And my fundrace campaign donation history proves it. My investments in the Gore and Kerry campaigns were a waste, so I've doubled down for Obama.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 15, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

rainsing both hands.

Posted by: moderate alien | September 15, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Moderate Alien, you've come to the "right" place!
We have a very effective 12-step program and you've already taken the first one :-)

Posted by: DNA Girl | September 15, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

It's good to have power back! We made it thru Ike with minimal problems, power outages due to fallen trees and power poles, but all in all very lucky.

Nosing around Asia Times after Brag's link last week and found this piece
about the interaction of governments and financial markets. I won't say that I undertand this stuff, but it was interesting.

Posted by: km2b | September 15, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

YAY for km2b! Glad to see you back safe and sound! :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 15, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Potato flowers sure are pretty:

Incase you missed it:

Is anyone here familiar with Facebook? If so, what is the difference between a 'Send Name a Message' and a 'Poke Name'?

Posted by: omni | September 15, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

NOt guilty, Cassandra! My hand's down for both elections.

Posted by: slyness | September 15, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

omni -
To poke someone on Facebook just gives them a little icon saying they've been poked by so and so. No additional message is attached. If you want to actually send information, then you'd want to send a message to them.

Posted by: astromom | September 15, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, I'm pretty sure you know you don't even have to ask me that question.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

It was always my impression that a gentleman doesn't poke and tell.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

As it's not only wrong but illegal for me to contribute to a political party or candidate down there I sometimes do my bit to slow down America's slide to theocracy by sending a few bucks to the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, PBS, and the like.
Although I only made a small donation (can't join) several years back I still get interesting emails from the Scientists and Engineers for America. Their latest has this link , McCain and Obama's responses to the "Innovation & the Elections Questionnaire."

Not only have I never made a contribution to Micheal Palin he gave me a lovely free fuzzy thing and yet he still goes to the trouble of sending me emails notifying me of extremely important stuff.

Paris Hilton. No contest.

Posted by: Boko999 | September 15, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Probably some sharp Shangahi taxi drivers pooling their money to buy a voting share in BofA.

Posted by: bh | September 15, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Interesting homepage photo -- an apparent Lehman Bros. employee is responding to an interview request by attempting to interview the interviewer with his still-wrapped straw from Carbucks.

At least that's what I see.


Posted by: Scottynuke | September 15, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

SCC for modalien. ..the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, PBS and their ilk. :-b

Posted by: Boko999 | September 15, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Moderate Alien, if you don't mind me asking, why?

I know some pretty die-hard Republicans and the only ones who didn't vote Democratic for the first time in their lives (2nd term) were the very, very rich.

Posted by: dbG | September 15, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Thanks astromom. Found someone’s Visa and googled the name and found a facebook account. Sent a message and am awaiting a reply.

Posted by: omni | September 15, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Well, dbG, I don't agree with moderate alien's vote in the last two Presidential elections, but I think your implication that this is a weird and exclusive club is unfounded. The record shows that just slightly more than half the people who registered a vote in the last election, voted for Bush. I, personally, feel that the arguments against Bush were very strong; but it is equally clear that people who agreed with me did not do a very effective job of taking our case to those who did not start out by agreeing with me.

Posted by: PlainTim | September 15, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Just a personal observation, PlainTim, not to be extrapolated into a larger group by implication.

Posted by: dbG | September 15, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Running out the door, but, omni, you'd probably do better to inform the credit card company and ask them what they want you to do. Let them contact the person.

Posted by: dbG | September 15, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I know plenty of people who voted for Bush. Some are rich people who like his tax policies. Some are religious people who like Bush because they think he's a devout Christian. I don't agree with these views, but the people who hold them are nevertheless my friends, neighbors, co-workers. I believe that the real difference between a liberal and a conservative is that a liberal believes other people have a right to hold a different viewpoint.

Those ranting left-wingers that we were talking about the other day are not true liberals by my definition. Janeane Garofalo, who said the other day on Bill Maher's show that Democrats are more "fundamentally decent" than Republicans, is not a true liberal by my definition, though she is a leftist. (And I agree with her political views, but I don't agree with that "decency" statement. I think she just doesn't have any Republican friends.)

Posted by: kbertocci | September 15, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

TBG, if I can remember right, the economy was tanking at the end of the Clinton term. Also, I do have this theory - the longer a politician or party stays in power, the better the roads to curruption get paved. I have a few friends in fact, that select their leaders just by voting against the incumbent. The reason they vote that way, instead of considering the issues, is just as legitimate a reason as I have for voting for a candidate.

I am far from rich. It wasn't till I turned 40 that I bought a car in the same decade that it was manufactured. Zero percent financing was hard to pass up. My mortgage, after refinancing is at historical record low. My Flexible spending account saves me a considerable chunk of change on medical expenses for my family and me. Every $1000 counts, not to mention, whenever the economy needs a boost, I get a check from the govment on behalf of my kids. At least the repubs put their money where there mouth is when they talk family values.

100 million voters, 100 million reasons voting the way they do.

Posted by: moderate alien | September 15, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I have close friends and relatives who voted for Bush. They all deny they are idiots. And less than half of them are. The others have never learned to go beyond their local newspapers and radio shows to research public policy or history. They will devour crappy bestselling paperback thrillers, but never seem to get further than Readers' Digest for political analysis. They've never been to a city council meeting nor watched one on TV, attended a trial, or read a book on the history of U.S. constitutional law. They consider such "weird" and just won't do it.

They sneer at pop culture but watching the local news on TV informs them. They uniformly despise the idea of people having it too soft. They all, however, have it too soft.

Posted by: Jumper | September 15, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm well aware I just described a lot of democratic voters. And myself. I have it too soft, also.

Posted by: Jumper | September 15, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I am, God help me, married to a Republican. He is a wonderful person, but we never, never, ever discuss politics. Life is just better that way. He grew up Republican, just as I grew up Democratic.

He did tell a cousin recently, in my hearing, that he hadn't decided if he would vote for Nader or Barr. I may have to call him out on that one. Then again, if he wants to waste his vote, who am I to cavil?

The one I really haven't figured out is my brother. He too was raised in a Democratic household but has become a rabid Republican. When he sent me some stupid sh!t about Hillary, early in the primary season, I did call him out sharply. He hasn't repeated that stunt. Our father, the lifelong City Hall reporter, would be very disappointed in him.

Posted by: slyness | September 15, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Richard Wright of Pink Floyd fame is gone to his Great Gig in the Sky.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

SCC: dbG

1000 apologies, messing up somebody's name has gotta be the worst. Please forgive.

Posted by: moderate alien | September 15, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Mod alien.. I may be wrong, but I believe the Flexible Spending Account sprung from the tax reform bill of 1978, passed under a Democratic Congress, Senate and President.

Please tell me where you believe the Republicans put their money where their mouth is on family values.

Posted by: TBG | September 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

They put their money where there mouth is when they talk about family values? You don't seriously believe that, do you, MA?

If the truly believed in their effing "family values," wouldn't they support equal pay for equal work? For more/better child care and programs like Head Start? For health insurance for kids? For policy on contraception that actually work and help prevent diseases as well as pregnancies? Safety nets for families in trouble and disintegrating? Effing food stamps, fer cryin' out loud?

The other half of their damn "family values" are hypocrisy and narrow-mindedness, homophobia, insular and exclusive religious ideas, and not a little racism and xenophobia here and there. Further, the entire" family values" program was created in order to be devisive, and for political purposes. It wasn't created to actually advance its own agenda. It was an effing tool of some very bad people, starting in the Nixon administration. The fact that many otherwise well-meaning Americans subscribed too it was just part of its underlying cynicism and manipulation.

I would be all in favor of "family values," MA, if it wasn't a code phrase for a lot of stuff I find reprehensible, not the least of which is sanctimonious and self-righteous faux patriotism, as well as know-nothingism.


Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone here aware of the "economy tanking at the end of the Clinton term", if so, please explain that to me?

And "at least the Repubs put their money where their mouth is when they talk family values", again I'm lost, someone enlighten me quick?

Posted by: cassandra s | September 15, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

RIP, Richard Wright... *SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm far from agreeing with everything Bill Clinton did, but I'll never forget that the first thing he did when he took office was to pass the Family and Medical Leave Act. It may not have been revolutionary, but it was a step in the right direction, and I appreciated it. That, to me, is an example of family values in action.

Posted by: kbertocci | September 15, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm trying to be a little more polite, Mudge. We don't want to continue alienating Mod Alien, do we? We're all friends here and can learn from each other. Works both ways... I'm waiting to learn myself.


Posted by: TBG | September 15, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Moderate alien used a phrase often used here in Oklahoma and I think I understand it, given ma's context. It isn't what Mudge, cassandra, TBG are thinking when they use the phrase.

Not that I'm trying to put words in your mouth, moderate alien. However, your reference to putting money where the mouth is came immediately after you talked about money you had returned to you or received from the gummint. Around here, a lot of folks believe that "extra" money should be returned to taxpayers in the form of lower taxes, rebates, stimulus checks etc. That return gives taxpayers more money to spend on their families, thus promoting family values at the extreme nuclear level.

Mudge et al described the other side of the "family values" coin, in which gummint money goes to programs which support citizens in ways which also strengthen families. I happen to agree with that use of the term and find it reasonable.

However, and I'm certainly not speaking for moderate alien at this point, lots of Oklahoma voters feel that these gummint subsidies to others genuinely do not support their view of family values. It isn't necessarily that they object to more child care, more insurance coverage, better early childhood education,etc. It is just that they feel that rather than use "their" money to support these programs, taxpayers should get some money back first, then maybe we can look at what are essentially social funding issues. And many of these people are in a position to benefit from one or more of those social subsidy programs.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 15, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Despite the "family values" rhetoric propagated by the republicans, 8 weeks ago I got a check as a result of bush's "stimulus package" that included $300 per each dependent child. It paid for the family vacation.

Posted by: moderate alien | September 15, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

A stimulus package, authorized by both houses of the Legislative branch before it could be signed by the president.

And all this happened in an election year.

'Jes sayin.

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 15, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

While a good bit of what you say is true, Ivansmom, a good bit of the so-called "family values" agenda has nothing whatsoever to do with tax money, spending, etc. The homophobic gay marriage issue has, effectively, a zero dollar component, and if even there were some miniscukle costs associated, nobody really cares about the costs. Stem cell research objections aren't primarily about "saving" money (albeit to some extent on spending it on things found to be objectionable to some. And the other side of that coin is, some people -- me -- find it objectionable using tax money to pay for wars I don't agree with and Star Wars programs that both aren't needed and don't work even it they did function properly). All the BS about abstinence and sex ed have nothing to do with money, nor does any of that crap about posting the Ten Commandments in school rooms. The vast majority of the "culture wars" aspect isn't at all about money and funding and taxes. Getting all bent out of shape about keeping Terry Schiavo alive isn't about money. Ordinances against flag-burning, requesting prayer in schools, nonsense about lapel pins and the verbiage in the Pledge of Allegiance are not tax issues.

I suppose some of the anti-immigration xenophobia ("all those damn Mexicans coming across the border, taking our jobs and soaking up our welfare) has a sizable economic aspect, but I often wonder how much isn't just plain racism combined with callous disregard for poor people no mater what color they are. Hanging a price tag on it seems to make it more "acceptable" and more "reasonable" to some, though not to me.

However, I *do* admit that, flaming closet socialist that I often am, I have no desire whatsoever to reduce taxes or rebate money to (some) taxpayers. I want to use every stinking dime we can find to build better schools, cure diseases, feed poor people, pay teachers proper salaries, rebuild bridges and roads and other infrastructure, and rebuild a couple of cities that just got wiped off the map. Until that is accomplished, I have no interest whatsoever in returning one red nickel to any taxpayer below, say, $50,000 income. Not a nickel, not a penny.

And I have *really* no objection to any "soak the rich" tax plan.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Right, Mudge, but I wasn't talking about any of that. I was referring only to a small subset of people who may not be social conservatives or have any real strong feelings on that issue, and who give "family values" credit for actions which they believe personally help their family. Like money.

Scottynuke, you're absolutely right, but it is human nature to give credit for money to the folks signing the check, not the ones that made your receipt of the check possible. This is why, though I'm hired by and serve at the pleasure of my boss, I have a soft spot in my heart for the Oklahoma State Treasurer.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 15, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Hi, all.

Just checking in, a busy day with all the market upheavals.

Seems like every weekend lately, there are unpleasant surprises in the financial, housing and economic sectors between East Coast COB Friday and the opening bell on Monday. Sheesh.

If the Bush Administration wants to settle the markets down they should either ban weekends entirely, or at least send the Treasury and Fed Reserve folks off on vacations to seperate locations (no cell phones, computers, or text message devices, either.) every weekend from now until the next Administration takes office.

Y'know, most people expect to work until they die these days, but they don't expect to wake up on a Monday and find out they're getting killed anyway.


Posted by: bc | September 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

That's okay, modalien. It takes a lot to offend me, not to mention that TBG is my good friend and I'm honored to be called by her name. (She made me say that). :-)

I truly did not mean to start a fracas here, and everyone knows I'd admit it if I did.

I was startled when 2 men I used to date, both still friends of mine, both socially conservative and dyed-in-the-wool Republicans told me they'd voted Democratic in that race. Totally floored. This time one is backing Obama, the other is backing McCain. My question stemmed from that.

Off to the book canyons of joy, otherwise known as The Free Library of Philadelphia.

Posted by: dbG | September 15, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse


As always, your 1:29 comment hit all the things I want to say, and cannot. Can I get a high five?

Posted by: cassandra s | September 15, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Back to hurricanes for a minute. I noticed in one story a woman who wound up in the Galveston school building said she didn't know a hurricane was coming until the water started to rise. She said she hadn't been following the news.

I've spent all morning pondering this. How is this possible? Given my occupation I've come in contact with some people with deeply alternative lifestyles. However, they mostly don't live in a vacuum. Did she have no neighbors or friends who mentioned it? Did nobody remark on it at the grocery or convenience store? Was she completely isolated, or was there a whole group of people who lived in the same area and just didn't know? I understand about not leaving if you don't have the resources to get out, or if you have health problems and are afraid. But not to know about it????

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 15, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

It’s none of my business of course but I’ll note here that the Prez and both sides of Congress gave away stimulus money they didn’t have; it’s all borrowed to be paid back later by persons too young to vote or unborn yet.
Just the same as those two wars Brag was writing about earlier. There are reports (denied by US gunmint spokepersons though) that Pakistani armed forces have shot at US choppers crossing the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. That can’t be good. I want Osama dead as much as the next guy. But getting in a major tiff with a nuclear-arm Islamic country just to get him in the waning months of his administration would be just about criminal action on the part of the decider in my opinion. The whole tribal area of Afghanistan and Pakistan needs development and quick. They need roads, jobs, education, phones, cell phones, TV, radio, Internet, anything that would reduce their complete isolation. Getting them out of the Stone Age would be easier if there were no shooting war going on.
One good thing about being connected to the Detroit TV stations is that Michigan is one of those battle state in the federal election. We get all the latest TV ads. I’ll get sick of it eventually but I still enjoy it. The last tone from the Dems about McCaine being 4 more years of Bush was really effective imho.
One of the bad things about being connected to the Detroit TV stations is firstimeblogger’s Lions. It was painful to watch Kitna c0ck his pistol, aim and shoot himself in the foot. Then he reloaded, cocked the pistol again, aimed for the other foot and shot. The third time he did it, I winced. It was physically painful to watch. The guy had an air of utter despair when he headed for the side even before the defense guy who intercepted him crossed the line for a third touchdown in just over 3 minutes of play.
I wish we still had the Bills beamed in from an Upper NY station.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 15, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

For you, Cassandra, a high ten.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I second what Ivansmom said about the reasonableness of a conservative stance about control over money. I very much understand this, money being what it is.

I also think that if I am not giving of time and money till it ouches, then, I am not giving enough,. This is a personal response to the needs of the world and my gratitude for living, relatively, the life of Riley.

I think we should work harder to see the reasonableness of conservative positions. Let's pull away the stereotypical embellishments and look at the core values. Let's concede the reasonableness (and indeed, the right) of other views. (HEY THERE, conservative peeps, be fair too about liberals.)

This willingness to see others as reasonable, yet differing, is known as the Rogerian gesture in argument. Rogerian as in Carl Rogers, but it helps to think about Fred Rogers, too.

Rogerian argument stances keep people in civil relationship, rather than polarized boxers on steriods at a high stakes fight night.

(Back to the salt mines; faxing bia and other teachers the chocolate chips and peaches from others, and adding a huge tub of cookie dough.)

dbG is in a box canyon of joy! Good on that. Makes me happy!

Posted by: College Parkian | September 15, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse


I know that question is taking you around the bend, but don't go there. Just don't go there. It just one of those questions that really scrambles anything called sense. You just kind of have to leave it. I know, I know, that reasonable and quick mind of yours wants answers, but let this one go. You will feel better. Not happy, but better. And I hope you know, I can't stop laughing while typing this.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Nobody wanted to see Bush out of office more than I did in 2004. But Kerry wasn't that great a candidate, IMO.

Honestly, Kerry and McCain are very similar in many things except their political approaches, including being married to rich heiresses, both being 'Nam Vets and heroes in their fashion, and so on.

I watched the 2004 DNC convention and it scared me how militaristic it looked. I can see a lot of anti-bush voters being turned off by that (never mind the swift-boating).

I have somebody related to me who has voted Bush-- twice. He has his reasons, but this year he has completely been pro Obama.

I know quite a few republicans who are crossing over to Obama. I'm sure there may be some crossing over to the Republican side this year; times change.

Moderate Alien, that is a good point. I'm personally hoping the republican party splits and the Libertarian party becomes stronger.
Then I'll vote Obama this year and then start voting Libertarian when I think it will win.

My hot button issue is not family values, but civil liberty. You can't feed or value your family if you're in jail, facing discrimination or vendettas from those in power, or if your children are being poisoned into mental illness by pollution.

Also, while people complain about taxes, I think we are not looking hard enough at the erosion of personal property rights in America and the rise of taxpayer-sponsored vigilante justice.

This is a truly scary trend. IMO, some of the problems started in Clinton years, but the Bush years have exacerbated the problem no end.

The highly popular talking heads (aka pundits) want to entertain and tell people what they know they want to hear. They're not real investigative reporters, ready to find and report facts that the public may find unpleasant to hear.

In any case, the very last thing I want to see is more Republicans in power.

Bush appointed some people who served under Nixon, and Reagan. Secrecy was their byword then, and now.

The party rewards those who can still remember how to use a two-handed party telephone, but not those who understand the impact of the Internet on modern politics.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Here's a thought you'll rarely hear from an incumbent running for reelection, so let me perhaps be your first. Americans don't pay nearly enough in taxes, and the ones we do pay are far too regressive. If you don't want people dieing of preventable diseases, don't want bridges collapsing, and don't want the economy to go to heck in a hand basket you need a government that works. This takes money and you aren't going to find it merely by eliminating "duplication of effort" or "waste, fraud, and abuse" though those should rightfully be targeted.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 15, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Now, I'll be honest. I'm not sure I meant to say that I think the economic definition of "family values" as what benefits my immediate family is reasonable. I do, however, understand it, and I think it is important to separate it from larger and other social-values definitions of "family values".

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 15, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

In case anybody hasn't seen it yet: Tina Fey on SNL doing Palin:

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Cassandra, I'm laughing too. You're right. It's just - to not know about a hurricane?? I mean - I know. Don't go there. I'll try.

frostbitten, can I vote for you?

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 15, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Animals, Politicians and Lipstick

Word frequencies from Boodle comments for the past week starting at "Veeps Run Amok"

2 pitbull
2 snake
5 Biden
7 fish
8 cat
9 Bison
10 horse
13 dog
13 wolf
17 bear
25 Buffalo
27 pig
28 moose
45 lipstick
73 Obama
83 McCain
98 Palin

Posted by: kitchen counter | September 15, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Animal references appear to be running roughly neck to neck with people references, with lipstick being neutral. But why wasn't the Goose, Gander, Geese comparison to Moose, Mander, Meese included? Geese should get equal time.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 15, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

What's amazing, though, is that there were no references to mayonnaise for a whole week.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 15, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom-should you be willing to move to MN no later than October 15, and move to our fair city by the time polls close on Nov. 4th you can register that day and I'd be happy to have your vote. If you don't have time to get a MN ID or have some mail proving your new address a neighbor can vouch for you.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 15, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Shiloh, and I'm certain that "bat" should be listed. I'm sure I referred to "bat" at least four times in a single post. I do like that word, "bat". It is almost as good as "chicken", which is sublimely meaningless when repeated twenty or thirty times. Go ahead. Try it yourselves. Chicken. . . .

I'm also startled that "fish" is so ill-represented. It too is an excellent word. I read an article today about the dangerous jumping Asian silver carp, a fish, to which I referred a couple of weeks ago after an Asian silver carp fish lightheartedly broke a teenager's jaw.

Come to think of it, we have minimal but constant reference to rabbits and bunnies. And greenwithenvy is usually good for deer (I saw three this morning).

If we're going to count animal nouns, I'm going to have to include a bat or rabbit in more posts. And fish. In the coffee.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 15, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

☝ Here you go Cassandra. I'm man enough to admit my mistakes. ☹ (That IS an index finger that is raised, the closest I could come to a raised hand.) Hind sight is a terrible thing.

Now, how many of you foresaw Pres. Clinton, in the White House, with Monica L., and his presidential staff at attention?


Posted by: DLD | September 15, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The frostfam very nearly had bison burgers for dinner last night, from the farmers market. Some really good andouille won over the desire to keep the boodle bison theme going. Mayonnaise was not consumed.

I better run. Water backed into the storage room at the old school building while I was gone and I am sure the only reason I didn't get a call about a leak in the old library is because nobody opened the door. I'll be glad when remodeling really starts because people don't see all the paperwork that goes into getting started and I don't spend enough time at the local bars to counter all the rumors.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 15, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

It's not an animal but it is animal-related: I think I said horse---- once or twice, and maybe bull----. And I definitely remember CP using "troll scat" (which I immediately added to the Boodle dictionary), though I'm not sure that goes under "animal" or under "miscellanous poop synonyms."

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget the moslings Shiloh.
If you add up the 9 bisons to the 25 buffaloes the resulting 34 ruminants are inserting themselves nicely between moose and lipstick as the dominant animal.
Remember that we had pictures of bison butts, sides or face almost every day in those weeks, some critiquing had to be done.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 15, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Shriek, I'm with ya in regard to the Lions. After getting us all excited by not losing a single game in preseason, once the real season gets going, it's been nothing but losses. *sigh*

When does hockey season start? And NO, I am not ceding that sport to Palin. She don't know hockey pucks about hockey! GO RED WINGS! Get another Cup in June! Make it a repeat!

Whew! That took all my energy.

I was at the Post Office this morning, sending in my 3rd Quarter Fed'l and State payments and I needed stamps. I really thought I'd be in line for hours, but it only took maybe 5-7 minutes. But at least I have stamps now. On the way back, I was actually thinking about the Stamp Act, it's being a *Monday moment* and all. I think I need to expand my horizons. Any suggestions? Oh, no, wait. . . . .

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | September 15, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

New Kit!

Not quite. Internetless Joel has tasked one of his minions to post a link to his "Monumental" story.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 15, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

New kit!!!!!!!!! I'll race ya!

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 15, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Thoreau said "Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk." But what, IM, does a fish in the coffee evidence? I am stumped.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 15, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

2 rabbits
2 rats
4 bats (not sure as in animal or in baseball)
4 goose/geese
4 eagles
6 iggles
9 bunnies

Posted by: kitchen counter | September 15, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Fish? Somebody's having salmon for dinner? I'd settle for tuna, really, although what I really want is delicious reeky smoked sturgeon. Delish!

Fun to ogle fish;
They wriggle, goggle, and leap right
In my mouth, flapping!

Large stealthy sturgeon
Waits in deer-drowning currents
Grabs food-- and is hooked.

Wise are fishy ways
Never swim straight; ring self with chums
And thrash hard when caught.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | September 15, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

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