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Happy Labor Day everyone.

By Joel Achenbach  |  September 1, 2008; 8:44 AM ET
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How did you get a picture of my windowsill?

Posted by: dbG | September 1, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

This is a Kit?

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

You lucky dog, Joel. Great looking tomatoes. I hope you enjoy them all!

Posted by: slyness | September 1, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

"Still Life With Basil." (Although it looks more like mint.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 1, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

That's it, eighteen tomatoes and five words?

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

That's what my windowsill looked like until yesterday afternoon. Yesterday evening I made chicken parmesan using most of my fresh tomatoes for the sauce...yum! is right. It was a big hit.

I'm laboring on Labor Day, but at least I'm getting paid for it.

Posted by: Kim | September 1, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse


• 3 cups peeled, cored, chopped tomatoes
• 3 cups seeded, chopped long green chiles
• ¾ cup chopped onions
• 1 jalapeño pepper, seeded and finely chopped
• 6 cloves garlic, finely chopped
• 1½ cups vinegar (5 percent)
• ½ teaspoon ground cumin
• 2 teaspoons oregano leaves
• 1½ teaspoons salt

Peel, core and chop tomatoes and everything else, mix together, chill.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Perfect kit for labor day :-)

FYI, the Hurricane Hunters are reporting Gustav has no eastern/southern eye wall

Posted by: DNA Girl | September 1, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

"The fight is never about grapes or lettuce. It is always about people." -Caesar Chavez

Labor Day: let's always remember that the economy is for us; We are not for the economy.

Take care all. I am so wistful about the end of summer. Worried about Gustav's swath of rain and wind and surge. Happy to report that the 22 year old dot of a friend who works in the schools there while attending Loyola did get out of town. She does not have a car but managed to hitch a ride.

dbG faxed me the best tomatoes so the rest of you can ask her for some and some from JA.

Posted by: College Parkian | September 1, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I use Vidalia onions. A little basil won't hurt.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Salsa sounds good or a big pot of gravy

Posted by: greenwithenvy | September 1, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Yep, after a slow start them 'maters are coming in right solid. I have about eight yellow "Lemon Boys" in the kitchen and about the same number still on the vine.

Fortunately, I have found a home for my surplus 'maters with a local family wishing to up their lycopene levels.

I am spending my day off working in the yard and garden. For that darn recent rain has got stuff growing again. And the Concord Grapes are almost ripe.

I hope all those who are lucky enough to be at home have a good day, and that all those unlucky enough to be stuck at work at least got a decent parking space.

And here's hoping Gustav shows some mercy.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 1, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad your friend's daughter is safe, CP.

I am also very wistful (perfect word) about the end of summer. I always am, but this year seems worse to me. My son is a senior in HS and I know that this time next year will be very different as he heads off to college. It sounds silly to be sad about something so prematurely, but I can't help feeling like time is speeding by too quickly and I'm not ready for all of these imminent changes. I guess I'll have to be ready, but I wish life would slow down just a bit right now.

Posted by: Kim | September 1, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

McCain tried to steal a march on Obama by announcing his veep the next morning, now he has been trumped by James Dobson and Gustav. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap," comes to mind, as well as, "reap the whirlwind." I guess the fundamental(ist) things apply, as time goes by. (Tune cootie for Labor Day)

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Kim - my son is a Senior a well. I understand exactly what you are saying.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 1, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Kim, when I went with third Dottir to pick up the twins in the nursery after church yesterday, we were greeted by a friend and her daughter, who started high school last week. Friend turned to third Dottir and said, "Enjoy it. You'll blink and they'll be in high school." True words, those!

Posted by: slyness | September 1, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Not only is it sad to contemplate that in twelve short months my only son will be off to college, it is a bit terrifying as well. I mean, have you seen that kid's room?

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 1, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Funny that there's no mention of the RNC on the WaPo front page. (I love it.)

Posted by: TBG | September 1, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Made me laugh Rd. We had an ugly scene a couple of days ago about a moldy sandwich unearthed in his room when I moved a mountain of dirty clothes looking for a phone, any phone, that was charged!
Yep, I think I'm going to advise him to fudge the truth on his room mate questionnaire when it asks whether he tends to be messy. It makes my blood run cold to think of him rooming with someone with the same pigpen tendencies. I mean, if he lives with someone like him he is going to stink to high heaven and look like something the cat dragged in.

Posted by: Kim | September 1, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

When the kids were teen and pre-teen my wife would announce "Giant baggy day tomorrow." A warning that anything on the floor of their respective rooms would not survive if not cleaned up. It worked pretty well.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"...a 28-food storm surge..." Why did this typo in a Reuters story make me think of the boodle?

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Hallo Boodle!

Happy Saint Laboorday.

Posted by: Brag | September 1, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

The McCain Paradox
Americans know the man better than they understand where he would lead the country.

His last-minute choice of a woman he barely knows to be his running mate underscored concerns about his impulsiveness, and her utter lack of experience in world affairs undermined his claimed seriousness about national security.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Happy Labor Day to all. We're visiting my mom in western New York. Yesterday was a destruction party for my brother's old shed. Refreshments included some hours-old sweet corn. Today we're off to a AAA baseball game. Unlike the Nats, a seat behind home plate is $10. Probably dinner at the local diner. It's so nice here this time of year, it fools you into thinking it might be a nice place to live. See, there's this winter thing. And the lack of an economy...

Posted by: Raysmom | September 1, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Ah, ya never know about kids. Geekdottir was the messiest kid on earth during her elementary and middle school years. That all changed when she went to boarding school for her last two years in high school, and now she is neat to a fault. When she moved in with Elderdottir, she cleaned the bathroom she uses to the point that neurosurgery could have been done on the floor. She didn't want to move home because she would have had to share a bathroom with me, and I obviously don't keep it clean enough.

Posted by: slyness | September 1, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Happy Labor Day! I Haven't got a lot of tomatoes, but the ones Ms Lion picked yesterday weigh in at a pound to a pound and a half. The largest mater is heart shaped.

I have a single grean bean plant that grew in the garden as a volunteer. funny thing, my 1st grader, who dislikes anything green on his plate, will join me in plucking the beans and devouring them right off the vine. Hmmm. Maybe the same strategy will work with broccoli?

My HS senior daughter starts school tomorrow. As usual, she has been cramming in all her summer homework in the last 2 weeks of break. One of her assignments was to watch one of the conventions and write a report on it using the context of a book about political persuasion techniques. She chose the RNC. disaster based politics?

I'm off today, but management is on duty. There's one drawback from marrying a nurse - I rarely get home-based managerial support on weekends and holidays.

Posted by: dandyLion | September 1, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Nice tomatoes, Joel.

Its been hovering at about 1 C most of the last few days, and daytime temps are 15 - 17 C here in the country. the city is a bit warmer, but not much. My maters have been covered the last few nights and will be picked before we go camping later this week.

I'm going to pick them all even the teeny weenie wee ones, and make some oven 'fried' green tomatoes.

Posted by: dr | September 1, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I'm looking at that and thinking about gravy, gaspacho, and homemade salsa, too. Tomato, onion, and garlic are a good thing.

Of course, I do love good thick slices of tomato on sandwiches of all kinds (including egg and cheese).

Never tried it on PB&J, but I'll try anything once. But not today - I have a fridgeful of leftovers that I need to try to make some headway against.

As I'm watching CNN, it looks like there may not be a lot of people in Gustav's path, but a lot of oil refining/processing infrastructure may be.

My thoughts are with the folks down there who are dealing with this storm and will have to address its aftermath... I'm concerned about the human depressions down there following the tropical ones.

Add me to the list of those who are amused that the RNC is an afterthought this week.
Obama *should* (and may in fact already be for all I know) calling his Gulf Coast supporters to arms -to help those who may be in need down there, and to roll up their sleeves and pitch in with the cleanup.


Posted by: bc | September 1, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all! (yes, I am very late)

About Labor Day & back to school. At this time of the year, I wish I were going back to college, four years flew by. For the majority of us, it was the first time we lived away from home and had to be responsible for ourselves. looking back, I realize I loved going back to the hillyness of Radford from the flat, sandy Tidewater. My friends and faculty were more than I could have hoped for.

Kim, re sloppy, dirty vs neat, clean. It was a miraculous change for my oldest son. Had to do with sharing a room and peer acceptance. Funny how they shower a lot and wear clean clothes in high school, but bedroom at home should be condemned. Well, for some children, but not all.

Posted by: Vintage Lady | September 1, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse


6 Tomatoes, cored, peeled, seeded & finely diced, juices saved.
1/4 pound unsalted butter
1 Tbsp minced fresh basil
1/2 Tsp sel de mer (fine)

Brown butter, add tomatoes and juices, reduce over high heat stirring frequently, reduce heat, add basil and salt, simmer 5 to 10 minutes. Serve with almost anything.

Simple and delicious.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm confident everybody here know the tomato peeling process: core, drop in boiling water for about 1 minute, remove with slotted spoon, tomatoes will almost peel themselves as they cool.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

You know, after studying Joel's tomato window sill, the branches in the glass vases look almost like they came off of minature orange/lime/lemon trees, could it be? Especially the one to the upper right with tiny white flower buds just under the leaves.

Posted by: Vintage Lady | September 1, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Basil, I think, the white flower variety that blooms in August and goes to seed in September.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

A simpler recipe


1 Tomato
1 Salt packet pilfered from fast food franchise.

Pick tomato, rub on shirt until shiny clean, bite, sprinkle with salt, repeat process as needed.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse


You could substitue a quality mayo condidment packet, too... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 1, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I always indulge in a bit of ketchup on my fried eggplant (unless it's destined for eggplant parmesan) and fried squash. But obviously on fried green tomatoes, ketchup is unwelcome. I've been pondering the ideal sauce for fried green tomatoes. Some sort of balsamic vinegar reduction maybe. My instant thought of hollandaise seems wrong the more I think of it. Perhaps some parmesan somehow, which would not be a "sauce."

I've also been pondering some new mayonnaise concepts. Beginning with red wine vinegar maybe. Walnut oil and/or sesame come to mind, but the appropriate vinegar or citrus is not forthcoming. I wonder if walnut oil and orange juice tarted up with distilled vinegar would work.

Posted by: Jumper | September 1, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Happy Labor Day, all, and bon appetit to all you tomato gardeners.

Here's your Eugene V. Debs quote for the day:

"Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free."

Eugene V. Debs: Statement to the judge upon his sentencing to the Atlanta Penitentiary for 10 years. April 19, 1919

Posted by: kbertocci | September 1, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. I just packed away 4 servings of summer. Pesto (pistou) made with fresh basil from the garden is a wonderful reminder of summer during the winter months.
4 cups (packed) of washed basil leaves
2 cups pine nuts
1 1/3 good olive oil
8-10 garlic cloves
1/2 cup room temperature or barely melted butter
Puree in a blender or food processor
Mix in 2/3 cup parmesan and 2/3 cup romano, finely grated
Pepper generously.
Gives four generous servings for 4-5 persons.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 1, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Afternoon, friends. That picture with the tomatoes just looks so, so, good. I mean that is one beautiful picture. I just love tomatoes. Pity I can't grow any that look that way. You did good, JA.

And something is eating my collard plants. I'm giving up on the garden thing.

I'm following the storm on CNN, and it looks like it's packing a wallop. Those reporters standing out in that weather, I keep wondering are they getting paid enough for that work. And Anderson looks as if he never left New Orleans. He looks together when everything around him is going the way of disaster.

Mudge, Scotty, Slyness, Martooni, what are you birds doing for Labor Day? Have a great Labor Day everyone. *waving*

I made hot buttermilk biscuits this morning, and shared them with my neighbor. It's a good day. The weather here is nice for a cook-out, although there may be some rain in the picture.

Love to all.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 1, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

And don't forget, Scotty, if the Tomato Au Jardin comes from your neighbors garden under cover of night it is much more tasty.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

A while back I heard the concept of the "unreliable narrator" used in fiction. This made me feel like an idiot, as I had barely ever formulated this as a conscious concept at all. Everywhere it was used, it was used smugly, as if smart people everywhere had known about this all along.

Here's an article I just read about this:

Posted by: Jumper | September 1, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Shriek: Your pesto recipe is very like the one I use, but I always lightly oven toast the pine nuts to a light brown to peak their flavor, and use an aged asiago or pecorino cheese. De gustibus non disputatem est.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Mark Schleifstein at the Times-Picayune points out that storm surge modeling showed the possibility of horrific storm surges from Gustav. He thinks the evacuations were fully justified.

The newspaper reports that the threat of Angola is deterring looters. Hmmm.

Meanwhile, Florida has never been a labor-friendly state. Historically, renting out convicts (and manufacturing convicts so they could be rented out) was a long-running scandal.

We might have Hanna later in the week. On the fruit front, that could be bad for late-season mangos and avocados.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 1, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, smug people -- don't let the b-tards get you down.

Best example of unreliable narrator is the butler in Remains of the Day.

He MISSED everything important from Nazi-fascist leanings of his employer and the sweet and worthy affection of the housekeeper.

But, he spoke with such correct and British studied authority that he convinces himself....and we the readers (viewers), of his silly and simpering WRONGNess.

So, now you are armed with a fab example

Posted by: College Parkian | September 1, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"Kiss of the Spider-Woman" features an unreliable narrator of the story within the story, whose unreliability is torn down within the film.

Poe and Lovecraft have several unreliable narrators in 1st-person stories -- I was struck by the fact that Poe is not mentioned on the cited Wikipedia page. Lovecraft is more easily dismissed as mere genre fare, except that the Wiki page also features "Bubba Ho-Tep."

"Breaker Morant"

Posted by: PlainTim | September 1, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Ishiguro's use of Japanese literary devices such as mono-no-aware and wabi-sabi in British and Europeam based novels is a refreshing change of pace, though sometimes confusing to western thinking.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Really missing k-guy.

Duties nearly done. To bike soon, perchance to see some turtles and black snakes and a heron or too. All on the step-sister river of the Potomac, the gritty and under appreciated Anacostia.

Posted by: College Parkian | September 1, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Unreliable Narrator is just so much harder to type than yellojkt.

Got plenty of pictures of Bloede Dam as well as all the "no swimming" signs all around it.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 1, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Remember, those maters have to put in a brown paper bag and delivered to TBG in order to be entered in the official Boodle judging.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 1, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Just got the email from Obama with a donate to the Red Cross appeal.

And this breaking news: Bristol Palin is pregnant right now -
My, my, my. I guess you're right, Wilbrod, not much to do in Alaska on those cold nights. How's that for a feminine touch? I'm sure they'll spin it as being part of their conservative family values - and they're pinning the other pregnancy rumors on Obama. Sigh.

My dear fundamentalist friend had 3 unplanned pregnancies (while married), all due to failed birth control of one kind or another, and all 3 of her daughters had babies out of wedlock. At least it no longer has the stigma it once did, but it's still a difficult way to go at such a young age.

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 1, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

St. Paul RNC Report Part II- I stand corrected about the "largest march" scheduled for this week. Tomorrow's, starting across from the HUL, is going to be big, but I am told by Mr. F who sat in on some security briefings this week that today's anti-war march was predicted (by organizers) to attract 50,000. I am no crowd size prediction scientist but I have participated in events with 25,000-30,000 runners and a couple hours before start time there weren't 2,000 people assembled on the state capitol grounds. Didn't hang around for speeches and such but stopped to buy a coke ($3) from the official vendors (state contracted for events on the capitol grounds) who reported it was their second sale of the day. They opened at 6:00AM and I dropped by at 10:40. Mr. F suggested examining the porta-potties as a true test of how many people had passed through the area-we checked out a bank that were so pristine I had to open the tp before using.

MSNBC has not pulled out of town entirely. They were taking the covers off their gear on the "Politics on the Move" stage in Rice Park very near the Xcel center. Had a chance to demonstrate my MN nice to a camera guy and producer who were looking for a good spot to get an exterior of the front of the venue. I recommended they try to shoot from the Dorothea Day Catholic Charities center a couple blocks away and across the street from the main entrance. It is the perfect spot to get a picture of the hall all decked out with elephant swag, but would also give them an opportunity to see the homeless center which is open 24hrs a day through the RNC.

We ate our first homegrown tomato yesterday. I'm leaving one on the counter here for Mr. and the dott. Alas, summer really is over for me. I start my new job tomorrow, Unit Coordinator for our local Boys and Girls Club, and will be "up north" every weekday for a while (excepting mega bph travel of course).

Posted by: frostbitten | September 1, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Tim, if ANYONE is qualified to edit / add to Wikipedia, you are. Yello, you cracked me up again. Shiloh, thanx!

The things I learn online. And how people help me learn. Imaginary online friends may not be so imaginary after all. The links are being propagated even as we speak.

Posted by: Jumper | September 1, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"It is the perfect spot to get a picture of the hall all decked out with elephant swag, but would also give them an opportunity to see the homeless center which is open 24hrs a day through the RNC."

Frosti.... you are my hero.

Posted by: TBG | September 1, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

This is a quote from the article about Palin's daughter and the rumors surrounding baby Trig's birth...

//"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,"' a senior aide said.//

So... the blogs ALSO had John McCain's and Sarah Palin's names in them... does that mean McCain and Palin are connected to the rumors?

Posted by: TBG | September 1, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I just saw that bit about Palin's daughter Shiloh.

Oh, man. This is gonna get weird.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 1, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Democrats Say Palin Initially Backed Bridge

And Republican are rapidly backpedaling and parsing words to shore up Palin's misrepresentation.

The fact remains, she was FOR the bridge before she was against it. And I think American voters can see through Palin's verbal chicanery.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

SCC: I meant "daughter, Shiloh." As in a comment addressed to Shiloh. Not "daughter Shiloh," as in daughter named Shiloh.

There. As you were.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 1, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Y'know, Palin's daughter's pregnancy is a difficult *enough* situation without all of the media scrutiny and commentary from all quarters.

So, I won't.

Still have my fingers crossed about Gustav, but it appears that he won't be as dangerous or destructive as Katrina. And the Gulf Coast is certainly better prepared today than it was three years ago, thank goodness.

The RNC is doing the right thing by cancelling the celebratory events. We'll never get to see McCain do his full-on acceptance speech, which may be just as well.

The rumors that he had planned to do his speech from the old Pig's Eye landing while wearing hip waders against a possible storm surge up the Mississippi (from the Gulf Coast, of course) remain unfounded.



Posted by: bc | September 1, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I think the Dems need to totally shut up about Palin. Say nothing and just sit back and watch. It could get ugly.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 1, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Tropical Depression 9, projected to become Hurricane "Ike" by Thursday, has a trajectory towards the Bahamas and Florida Straits.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

RD, the daughter is Shiloh Nouvel Jolie-Pitt.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I completely agree RD. The Democrats should say nothing about this subject. Speculation on blogs is one thing, Dems in positions of power speculating or commenting is another.

Yes, that's a particularly aggravating little sleight of hand there, TBG (sleight of writing?) when they said that Obama's name is in the blogs about this... and believe me, I will be hearing that Obama started this as an article of truth from some of my Republican friends. Sigh.

Posted by: Kim | September 1, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

What I don't undersand is why, when it's clear that saying "some have Barack Obama's name in them" is deliberately misleading, these quotes find themselves in the mainstream media.

Isn't passing a lie along known as spreading a lie?

Posted by: TBG | September 1, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Yup RD Padouk, Sarah's candidacy is unraveling on its own. I'm also a little shocked that a 43 yo woman with 4 kids would go for the fifth. She must have known, having access to Wiki and the lates medical info, that the probability of a kid with trisomy 21 was about one in 40 at that age. That is a big number to set aside if that kid was not an accident but a wanted pregnancy.

I forgot to mention that the pesto recipe I gave at 11:48 is for the "liquid version" intended for freezing. The qty of cheese can easily be doubled if made to be used fresh with long pasta. And yes Shiloh, one can roast the pine nuts or better yet, take a second mortgage and buy real pine nuts from Italy instead of the crappy ones from China we are getting these days.

The last 10 days or so were the best summer days we've had this year. Nice and sad at the same time that summer weather is catching up with us so late.

Off to pick up tomatoes for making another batch of sauce.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | September 1, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

An early reference from Genesis 49:10 - "The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh comes, and unto him shall the gathering of the people be."

Later references are to the Battle of Shiloh during the Civil War, and frequent use as a name for churches and cemeteries in the south.

My particular adoption of the name came from a friend who wrote spy novels in the 80s and used my location (and certain charcteristics) for a fictional company called "Shiloh Gun and Ordnance." I had a faux antique sign made with that name as a fun poke at my novelist friend. It hangs on my front porch.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous was obviously me. I wrote Shiloh so often I overlooked its proper place in the scheme of things.

P.S. It's also the first name of a fictional name I use in my telephone listing to avoid the telephone charge for an unlisted number.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Domestic nuts, Shriek, present company excluded, are also available.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"And this last one is simply hilarious.

11. Are you offended by the phrase "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I'll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

See Question 2 above. Do we really want stupid people dictating what people should learn?


Here's another answer from Palin that suddenly has more significance:

3. Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

SP: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

Now, are you ready to hear this?

Sarah and Todd Palin say their 17-year-old unmarried daughter is pregnant.The couple said in a statement released by John McCain's presidential campaign that Bristol will keep her baby.

I'm flummoxed. Here's another personal issue that is none of the voters' business, that will distract the media from discussing the issues, yet it speaks directly to Palin's support for bad reproductive and educational policy."

Posted by: Boko999 | September 1, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

The domestic alternative, shriek.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I found some blogs discussing John McCain and devil worship. They have Bush's name in them!

Posted by: Jumper | September 1, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Yep, Boko, I'd really like to hear what McCain and Palin think about sex ed, birth control, whether health insurance should pay for birth control. But it will be a delicate dance, to be sure, and I agree, the Dems should say nothing. When McCain answered Rick Warren's question about when life begins (at conception), it made me wonder if he would support outlawing some birth control methods. Guess it tells us where he stands on RU-485 (are those the right numbers?)...It's going to be an even longer campaign season than I thought.

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 1, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse
Trouble from the North!

Posted by: Jumper | September 1, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse


"And this last one is simply hilarious.

11. Are you offended by the phrase "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I'll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

See Question 2 above. Do we really want stupid people dictating what people should learn?


Here's another answer from Palin that suddenly has more significance:

3. Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

SP: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

Now, are you ready to hear this?

Sarah and Todd Palin say their 17-year-old unmarried daughter is pregnant.The couple said in a statement released by John McCain's presidential campaign that Bristol will keep her baby.

I'm flummoxed. Here's another personal issue that is none of the voters' business, that will distract the media from discussing the issues, yet it speaks directly to Palin's support for bad reproductive and educational policy."

Posted by: Boko999 | September 1, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The words "under God" were added to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954, long after the founding fathers were dead. But you knew that. It was Sarah Palin that didn't.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 1, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I guess to Sarah Palin, anybody born before 1954 is a founding father, so John McCain is too.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Without original source attributions, I find it hard to believe those Sarah Palin bimboisms. If true, she is a Republican in the mode of George W. Bush.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Squeeze me.

Posted by: Boko999 | September 1, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Good enough for the Founding Fathers? The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892. I think the Founding Fathers had looong been dead before that time.

Mrs. Palin is making liberal arts majors look bad. We're supposed to know this stuff.

Posted by: slyness | September 1, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Breaking RNC news- About 2 dozen RNC Welcome Committee protesters are handcuffed on the street and sidewalk at 6th and Wall in St. Paul (in front of the Frostbitten HUL building as it happens). One had driven his car to the intersection of 7th and Wall, stopped in the middle and handcuffed himself to the vehicle. The police, some in the gear often described as "full riot" (a misnomer I think, I didn't see any gas masks) and a bunch on bicycles have a group detained one block away from the initial incident and are searching them one by one. Doesn't seem particularly tense but the protesters must be uncomfortable all dressed in black, many in sweatshirts and it's a toasty 86 here today.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 1, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Well, I never! After reading the latest effort to squelch "the rumor" Mrs. Palin throws her daughter to the wolves.

This a soap opera. More specifically, this is John McCain's soap opera.

Posted by: Vintage Lady | September 1, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Fantastic, fb, to have you on the scene and reporting live.....

Posted by: Vintage Lady | September 1, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Much will be made of Bristol Palin's pregnancy, too much of it having to do with her mother's politics, the teaching of sex ed, availability of birth control, and any number of other issues that have nothing at all to do with the young Ms. Palin. I say lay off. I don't know what % of pregnancies, even in stable marriages, are unplanned. Not unwanted, but not necessarily the track ovulation, take a test the minute you think you might be, baby quest a lot of people turn it into. I'm willing to bet it's half or more. At any rate, it's not the end of the world for young Bristol, nor her boyfriend, and I'd hate to see it end her mother's candidacy when there are so many legitimate reasons to think she stinks as a VP contender.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 1, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I did some research last night, and the rumor began as soon as Palin announced her pregnancy, helped along by official photographs of the family--long before she was chosen as VP.

I agree with VL, this is throwing her daughter to the wolves. "She couldn't have been pregnant then because she's pregnant now!" Difficult, perhaps, but not impossible. Seems like a simple maternity test to squelch the rumors might have been easier on her daughter's privacy.

Posted by: dbG | September 1, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

More movie recommends...

An oldie but goodie that has stood the test of time (twenty years): "Bull Durham"

A new one: "Nim's Island"

Posted by: omni | September 1, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Lest we forget, Obama's mama was 17 years old and unwed when she was inseminated by a man who was married to someone else in his native country in Africa. Perhaps Bristol's and Levi's child will grow up to run for President some day?

The buzz from Alaska is that Sarah and Todd had a shotgun elopement. Someone has decided to engage in some Northern Exposure--doing the math, on the Palin's 20th wedding anniversary on the 29th.

This story of a daughter's teen pregnancy rises to the level of Troopergate, IMHO. Anyone remember how Dukakis was excoriated for not showing emotion when the question was asked during the presidential debate in 1988 about what he, Dukakis, would do if Kitty were violated? Yet Palin has a former brother-in-law who actually threatened to kill her father?

Are these types of issues what Americans most care about this election cycle? If the social issue of abortion is your signature issue, then so be it. If, and more importantly, the composition of the Supreme Court is your concern, so be it.

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the importance of energy now and into the future, the inextricable link of energy to national security, or Alaska's 1968, the North Slope, or Prudhoe Bay, or its pipeline--and that Palin presides over the most energy-rich state in the United States. I was waiting for Steve Mufson's reporting about Palin stance on energy, as well as Maria Bartiromo's remarks on the same topic on MSNBC. I'm waiting to hear Palin talk abou the subject. Will she be more knowlegeable than Obama or Biden about energy?

No surprise regarding the comments here, Alaska and Anchorage is probably about as foreign to many here as Afghanistan. I think even the Eastern female pundits don't know what to make of Palin--Collins and Dowd included, and Dowd in particular.

Anyone been through Wasilla? (I don't see it as a destination of choice, but a town to be traversed on the way to Denali or Fairbanks.) I have.

Anyone of the rest of the Boodle been within 10 feet of Obama? Joel perhaps? I have. He's lanky. Get over it.

So we have a race now between Lanky and Gabby, and Shorty and Guvvy. I'm not going to prejudge Palin. I'm going to read about her, listen to her. Although I'm still not at all moved to vote for either '08 presidential ticket.

I did try to catch Obama's speech on Thursday. My husband had to work late and had a bandage malfunction right as he was leaving work to rendezvous with me. Caused him a lot of pain and we're hoping it didn't set back the healing on his leg. We arrived at Johnny Carino's for dinner just as the speech was beginning. We tried to persuade the staff to change one of the two TVs in the bar to the speech to no avail. We were told that even the women in the bar wanted to watch the Cowboys. So it goes in Texas.

We arrived home at the end of the address, when Obama said the election wasn't about him but about the people. Interesting to hear Wolf Blitzer announce last night that the Dems got perhaps as much as one percentage point bounce after the week in Denver. As Blitzer pointed out, it's still very much a horse race.

Posted by: Loomis | September 1, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Here's some welcome news:

And some rather more relevant Palin news:

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 1, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't recall Obama's mama advocating abstinence only as policy for the whole world, does anyone else?

Anne Applebaum reminds us of this gem in the 2004 Republican Party Platform. Must be in there still.

"Abstinence from sexual activity is the only protection that is 100 percent effective against out-of-wedlock pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases, including sexually transmitted HIV/AIDS. Therefore, we support doubling abstinence education funding. We oppose school-based clinics that provide referrals, counseling, and related services for contraception and abortion."

Posted by: DNA Girl | September 1, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

dbG, I agree. Obama is correct that children should be off limits, but she's been politicizing Trig and "choosing life" BEFORE she became the VP pick.

That alone bothers me. Most of us would say "It's a private decision, and we have already raised children love them deeply, and we felt ready to handle whatever would happen. We do not want our family to be a political football." I mean, say "every child is a blessing, no matter what" would be fine.

Unfortunately Palin has done the opposite; in fact when Palin was picked I had already knew her name from articles similar to the one I posted yesterday-- about knowing her kid would be born with Down's and all.

Compare this to Bill Clinton refusing to involve Chelsea and telling the media "hands-off", and the Gore's near-silence on their children while campaigning or in office.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 1, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Gerson has an article on the WaPo suggesting that it isn't hypocrisy on Palin's part in regard to her now pregnant teenage daughter; he suggested that it would, on the other hand, be hypocrisy if mom had urged her to get an abortion. So, let me get this straight -- it's okay for a right-wing holier than Jesus Republican to have a daughter engaging in premarital sex. Does anybody believe for one split second that if there were Democratic candidates instead of Republican candidates going through this, Gerson and his ilk (and the worse than ilk) would be so sanguine about this matter?

And, Loomis, if you don't vote and McCain wins (or even if Obama wins) I don't want to hear you whining about *anything* that's going on in this country or outside the country because of it. More than 80 years ago, women were dying for the right to vote -- literally. We don't always get the perfection our 3 year old egos want. So we have a tantrum and we pout and we hold our breath until someone gives in. I've held my nose and voted many times, but I have voted. And I will continue to do so, until my lights go out. And when that happens, I will merely re-register in Chicago and continue on.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | September 1, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

RNC breaking news-uploading some protester pics and will post a link as soon as I can. The group currently bedeviling the St. Paul police, and anyone trying to get from point A to point B in downtown St. Paul, are not the "official" anti-war group with the permit to march this afternoon. Instead a small group, 100?, are marching around downtown. It's impossible to tell who they are, or what they want, without following them around a bit. (Which Mr. F and I did for a while, as a soldier he loves to see free speech in action. Otherwise, what's it all for?) Anyway, it seems this group intends to meander about St. Paul until their brethren detained earlier are released. When we returned to the HUL there were only a half dozen left handcuffed on the street. The heat was getting to everyone, several of the police had taken a knee, with the sun now beating down directly on 6th between Wall and Wacouta. Rumor has it, at least according to police at intersections who were not there but listened on the radio, in addition to blocking the intersection I mentioned earlier the protesters slashed tires and broke windows on a police vehicle. The difficulty of knowing what's going on in an urban environment was really brought home as Mr. F and I could not verify, or completely discount, these accounts.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 1, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Palin's support of Ted Stevens (IRS Code) 527 group is not the only Palin info that has been "sanitized" from public access info. Her Wikipedia entry was rewritten and several other sites taken down. A myspace site of a relative has some interesting family photos, but I agree with Obama that children are off limits, although John McCain's "joke" about Chelsea Clinton was rude and crude. However, a generic teen pregnancy discussion is not off limits because it is part of Palin's public ethic and the Republican Party Platform. The appearance of a double standard will speak for itself. Just as "troopergate" ceased to be a family matter when Gov. Palin and staff brought pressure to bear - and intentionally misrepresented the facts (Listen to the entire Frank Baily tape recorded by the Alaska State Trooper station). Opportunistic vindictiveness is not a qualification for the second highest office in the land - and that includes Dick Cheney. Rant ended.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Look, Loomis, I have no doubt in my mind that the baby is Sarah Palin's. She is 44 years old, and far more likely to give birth to a Down's Symdrome child and her daughter, who is 17 years old. Her mistake was giving ANY credibility to kos, mydd or wonkette or any of the talking heads. Now, that's all she had to do. If she needed to make a statement, she could easily have said "this is MY baby and knock it off because that is all your going to hear from me, the end" to every reporter who asked. Instead, she & McCain have created a bonafide soap opera, at the cost of her daughter's privacy.

What will we remember about the 2008 RNC?

I'll remember The Soap Opera and Gustva.

Posted by: Vintage Lady | September 1, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

RNC protest pics at my new blog about loft living in St. Paul.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 1, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Loomis, I'm sure you can look up Palin's positions with your google-fu and expertise following the oil industry.

We've had oilmen in the White House before and they did no good whatsoever. Big whoop.

I'm more concerned about her platform on science education and research, and that includes alternative energy such as natural gas, environmental issues.

Being able to find Latin America on a map would be nice, as well as knowing which language they speak.

And yes, education including sex education and imposing religion in schools is a matter of concern to me too. NCLB has seriously injured special education funding and support nationwide.

When we have federalized education, in part or in whole, it means considerable power to destroy children's future education is put in the hands of politicans with their own agendas.

Just look at Bush awarding "reading material program" to a crony of his-- which earned his friend millions of dollars while worsening reading education for children. And the materials certainly were not at all appropriate for teaching deaf or learning disabled children to read, yet that was what had to be used-- "by law."

Thus, I care that she's said teach ID in the classroom-- as "science". Based on the trends in the Bush Administration, I have a right to be deeply concerned that this woman is a fellow-traveller with Bush when it comes to religion and/or personal preferences mixing with government.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 1, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

As penance for troll-feeding (sorry Scotty :-)

Posted by: DNA Girl | September 1, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The problem, DNAgirl, is that cartoon presumes that the reader has enough sex-ed to know what "Missionary-style" is. I actually had to explain that to a couple of college students once. I didn't dare ask them what they had (or had not) been doing.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 1, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Just posted more pics of the RNC protesters at

Shutting down the Frostbitten HUL news bureau to catch some dinner with the fam before heading north. The dott took some video and is uploading so I hope to have that ready for boodle viewing some time late tonight. Wish I could stay to see the rest of the spectacle but work awaits.

I have no idea what kind of play this will get in the national media but the St. Paul police dept., and police from other departments that are here to help out, are exercising remarkable restraint. One protester with a megaphone keeps saying "you don't have to beat us" and it makes any crowd that's assembled laugh because it is so obvious the police are not touching them, or even engaging in any kind of verbal action. If a protester looks like he/she is going after private property the bicycle officers move to put themselves between the protester and the property. The protesters then change direction, taking a new route. Didn't see any protester, onlookers, or police get into any kind of physical contact except when a police woman on bicycle caught the shirt sleeve of a young woman who was headed into the alcove of a business around the corner for the HUL. At some corners there are more people taking pictures of the "welcome committee" than there are committee members.

Hope everyone is having a great Labor Day. Later boodle peeps.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 1, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh would that I had such an opportunity!!! I think I would have messed them up completely by bringing all sorts of furniture into the act. Hehehe.

But you were too nice to do that, I bet :-)

Posted by: DNA Girl | September 1, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Nice pics, frosti, thanks for the on-the-spot reporting!

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 1, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

LETHERT SKWIRA CPA got some good exposure, Frosti.

One of the protesters looked so remarkably like one of my younger brothers I called him - no answer, but I seriously doubt he is in St. Paul.

Thanks for the on the scene reporting. It seems a far cry from the 1968 DNC anti-war protests in Chicago, which brings to mind one of my favorite quotes from then Mayor Richard Daley: (from memory)

"The police are not here to cause disorder, the police are here to PRESERVE disorder." (emphasis supplied) His "shoot to kill" order was one of the low points in history.

Your local law enforcement on the front line seems quite restrained.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Another report from St. Paul.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I think any rancor about Palin's daughter is probably going to come from the Right. Obama has done a great job staying out of this so far.

The thing that really concerns me about Palin is her ability to devote sufficient attention to her job. Look, I know about special-need children. They can be pretty demanding. Plus, there is this pregnant teen daughter. All of this seems a bit much to deal with for a Vice Presidential candidate.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 1, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Let me add there are a *lot* of other things that bother me about Palin. And I am certainly not suggesting that women with familial duties should just stay home. (So put away those knives.) But I do think that the work load concern is a legitimate one to consider.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 1, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the issue of family responsibilities vs public probably affected many voters looking at Edwards and his wife's struggles with breast cancer this season. I know it did for me.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 1, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

No knives, RD.

I think the work load concern would also be applicable for a male candidate with a family who needed him there.

I can't get rid of a nagging feeling that Palin just turned her oldest daughter into a cocker spaniel named Checkers.

Posted by: dbG | September 1, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

This would be a private matter if we weren't talking about someone who doesn't believe my behavior is private. She thinks the state should dictate who I sleep with, when I have children, what medical procedures I can and cannot have, what should be taught to my children, etc.

She also believes, clearly wrongly, that simply telling kids not to have sex means they won't. She couldn't still believe it, but is still a proponent of that policy. What does that mean about her honesty and integrity?

If this were the Democratic candidate, McCain himself would be all over it; don't kid yourself otherwise.

This just more clearly illustrates what a silly choice she was for a running mate. If McCain really thinks she'd make a good vice president--or president--and was the best person for the job, we should really worry about his 72-year-old mind.

Posted by: TBG | September 1, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

dbG - great observation, and one I should have made clearer. I really worry about the ability about any candidate, male or female, who accepts such a demanding position in light of so many family obligations. The operative word being "worry." I'm not precluding it. I just worry.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 1, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The age issue reminds me of when Bob Dole ran for president. My Democratic parents told me they wouldn't have voted for even a Democrat who was that old.

They said Dole was older than they were and they knew what they were capable of and it worried them to think of a president with those same capabilities--and deficits.

Posted by: TBG | September 1, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse


All good points. I know this is a family matter for Mrs. Palin, and I think Obama in his statement (did any of you see it,boy can he bite when the need arises) did the right thing. I don't believe the Repubs would have returned the favor if the shoe was on the other foot. And all the hoopla about not talking about sex education and the likes, is a bunch of nonsense. This is the party(Repubs) that brings up these issues on a daily basis, and now, all of a sudden, we can't talk about them because, hey, someone in the party is offended? Pleazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzze.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 1, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

While there is a certain pleasing irony to the Palin's family situation ('family way', one might say), the Palins in fact are doing exactly what us liberal folks rhetorically demand in response to abstinence-only non-education. Our point is that it will result in numerous unintended pregnancies, because the power of human desire plus a lack of intelligent awareness = nature at work; therefore, abstinence-only anti-choice types had better be prepared to accept the consequences and help raise the inevitable babies. That's exactly what they are doing. The bigger issue is that in a world of finite resources, there is a limit to how many 5-child families the world can tolerate. As we complain about the inability to immerse ourselves in the quiet of unspoiled nature, as we have to make a conscious effort to limit the light produced by our cities so that we can see the stars, as we discover that we are burning the Earth's backlog of sequestered hydrocarbons fast enough to alter the atmosphere's chemistry and energy balance, it is obvious that we are beginning to approach the Malthusian limit. We need to find a better and more effective way to levy our essential criticism against self-involvement and environmental arrogance.

Posted by: PlainTim | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Finally catching up after a day of granddaughters. We shopped for school clothes, we had a picnic at the beach, we played ball. I sent them home with a big bag of tomatoes and cukes. We still have enough left to take that same picture at the top of the Kit.

Wow, this Palin thing just doesn’t stop being bizarre. I agree with TBG about staying the h3ll out of my bedroom and my doctor’s office. And yes, McCain is too old and yes, Palin seems to have an awful lot on her plate to be running for VP.

I need to go get caught up on the news, it’s coming too fast these past few days.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 1, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

RD, TBG, dbG, Wilbrod, I agree with you. Edwards was criticized (from the right wing) for running for president with young children - who were well out of infancy. I think it's a concern, although not a disqualification - supposedly her husband stays at home with the kids now, although Bristol is always holding the baby.

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

dbG: ROFL at this comparison:

Palin just turned her oldest daughter into a cocker spaniel named Checkers.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Feelings are easily hurt when one is pregnant, and especially being that young. She may not want to read the paper or the Internet for that matter. I agree with TBG, talking with the young folks is good, but one may not see the results wanted from such conversations. It can be very trying for the mother and the daughter. And I speak from experience.

As my uncle used to say, old folks have to work up to it, young people are already there.*sigh*

Posted by: cassandra s | September 1, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

On reflection, Nixon's "checkers" speech was a success. He and Ike were elected. I think Paylin has the ability to turn this into a major sympathy vote. But if she does, she and her daughter become fair game.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Oops, Palin, not Paylin. The pronunciation affects my fingers.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

PlainTim, the world can handle lots of 5-child families if we are prepared to accept increased child mortality from accidents, neglect, and/or starvation.

As a child #5, I have no issue with how many kids anybody has, as long as they do their part to raise the children well and send them off in a good future. My parents did their job well; we all got college educations, and none of us wound up parents as minors.

Alaska has fewer people than Fairfax county alone, as Joel pointed out, so Malthus doesn't feel as real there as the dangers of living there does.

You have an heart attack, the nearest hospital might be a hour away by chopper. Pneumonia, home treatment or fly to hospital. A near-fatal mauling, you have to make it to help somehow.

70% of all deaths in Alaska occur from injuries.

Seriously, if I was looking to make sure I had grandkids, I wouldn't raise just one kid if I lived in Alaska, Malthus be buggered. Alaska is the youngest state; it has only 5.9% of its population age 65 and older-- the average for the USA is 12.5% Suicide rates are much higher than elsewhere, particularly for Alaska Natives.

If you're looking for a politican sensitive to retirement concerns, Alaska isn't the place to go to.

Surprisingly, Alaska is ranked 14th in overall life expectancy. This article on the 8 Americas is interesting, though.

Posted by: WIlbrod | September 1, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

However, considering Nixon's 1952 "Checkers" speech, and watching Laura Bush and Cindy McCain side by side at the RNC today, I don't think Cindy owns a "respectable Republican cloth coat," just designer costumes like the one she wore today. Laura looked fine, but Cindy was flaunting her wealth.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Did you know that the other WaPo blogs' comments sections have links?

What are we? Chopped liver?

Posted by: TBG | September 1, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Yes, TBG, aware of links on other WaPo blogs, but figured our holding out for italics, diacriticals and bold put us at the end of the server line.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Evenin all
glad to Gustav wasn't as bad as I thought. Hopefully they won't get to much rain or flooding.

This mornings walk was nice,never did get to "Ice Mountain" but got close.
I felt good after and during the walk.It is nice to get back to feeeling semi normal with exercise.

Later I took my neighbor's niece 63 for her first Kayak ride. she did great and I got some nice pictures too. Off to dinner and hopefully I can watch some of the game tonight. It was a nice labor day weekend!!

Oh,had fresh tomatoes,fresh basil and Mozarella for lunch...very nice

Posted by: greenwithenvy | September 1, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Barracuda Republicans like Newt Gingrich who savaged the Clinton:Lewinski affair are now soft-pedaling the Palin "troopergate" investigation. What hypocrites.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse


You are making me so hungry! That does sound good.

Time to turn in, been a long day, and lots of news. I hope the folks returning home find everything in order down in New Orleans and the Gulf. I know they're anxious to get home. May the levees hold, and no flooding.

A lot of surprises with McCain's choice of VP. Almost seems as if they didn't check this person out too good before making their decision. Can that be a preview of things to come?

Night, boodle. Sweet dreams.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 1, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Boodle. Jeezey-peezy. I. Just. Can't. Believe. This. Day. Holy cow. When I posted a little before 9 a.m. this morning, I was the fourth poster. Now, about 10 hours later, this is something like the 113th post, levees are breaking in Louisiana and Palin's daughter is pregnant, Obama has said "Hands off!," McCain's campaign sez Palin told him a week ago the girl was knocked up but he didn't mind, he picked Palin anyway.

I am simply stunned (anew, and over and over again) at the hypocrisy of the Conservs. Unbelievable. If this was Joew Biden's unwed 17-year-old daughter, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Scarborough, Coulter, et al. would be howling like Wolfman Jack when he got his you-know-what caught in his zipper about the immorality, poor parenting, horrible example, failure to teach abstinence, yadda yadda yadda. The outcry would be about 150 decibels by now.

Instead, we have Republicans going on CNN and saying, "Well, life happens." (Condoms, on the other hand, apparently don't happen.)

Memo to young ladies everywhere: if you happen to get knocked up while still in high school and are deathly afraid your conservative, highly religious parents are going to go bat-s--- crazy and whomp your a$$ until doomsday, don't worry. Turns out they will be very compassionate and understanding, and understand these things happen, and being an unwed mom is no big deal for them, and by the way, the shotgun dad (the caribou slayer) is bringing to the shotgun wedding is most likely unloaded. (Worst case: only a little birdshot, nothing big bore, like turkey balls. After all, Cheney's lawyer took a face full, and he's fine.) You can even wear white at the wedding, if you want. They'll be fine with it. Really. All that fire and brimstone and hellfire and damnation they (and you) listened to in church all those years was just, you know, advisory.

Loomis, I admire your position that you are not going to pre-judge Palin, but instead you are going to listen to her speeches and rationally examine her positions on the issues. Please advise the Boodle when the point comes that you conclude she is an unsuitable airhead no more qualified to be the next president in case McCain keels over on his 73th birthday than is Sean Penn or Anita Bryant. Please let us know your thoughts on her stunning hypocrisy, her "I was for the war before I was against the war" position on the Bridge to Nowhere, your thoughts on how an extreme right-wing ideologue who believes in abstinece, no sex-ed, no abortions, and a host of other issues is likely to be a good advocate for the feminist issues you've often espoused. We await your careful review.

Jumper, as that wiki link you posted notes, Geoffrey Chaucer was one of the first writers to use the unreliable narrator technique. At the time, I TOLD him (I was Geofrrey's scribe, as I may have mentioned in several previous boodles) it was a lousy idea, and would only confuse readers. "Geoff," I said, "it's all about your credibility as an artist. If you tell lies and fairy tales and outrageous exaggerations to the readers, they just won't believe it, and will come to revile both you and your work." "Mudge," he replies,"you've been hitting the mead again, haven't you? I understand that as a trained and certified scribe you feel you must adhere to the strictest standards of reporting and non-biased observation. But look, I'm just writing stories, and having a little bit of fun, yanno? Most of the readers will catch on. Look, I can see how this honesty thing is bothering you. Why doncha take the night off, maybe go down to the tavern and see that serving wench your so taken with."

Well, I can't tell you what happened that night, Jumper, but I CAN tell you that despite the Old Windbag's advise, I've always loathed and despised the use of the unreliable narrator technique. 'Pon my soul, 'tis true..

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 1, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Check out the Keating five, Cassandra. Not checking things too thoroughly isn't new for McCain.

Posted by: WIlbrod | September 1, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Gloria Borger is on CNN saying evangelicals are just fine with Bristol's pregnancy, and in fact it is "affirming."

How could I have misjudged evangelicals all these years?

I just love the fact that when Palin visited the Alaska Nat. Guard troops, she had to first get a passport. Apparently she'd never left the country except possbly a trip to Canada for some of Tim's Whatshisface's coffee. And maybe a stolen weekend in Cancun. I think all major political candidates should have passports and get out of town once in a while.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 1, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Now Campbell Brown is meticulously dismembering some young Palin supporter named Tucker Bounds (sp?), who insists that Palin's experience as "commander" of the Alaska National Guard represents substantial foreign policy experience.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 1, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

And every candidate should try riding a major city subway once in a while, just to appreciate what "overpopulation" means.

"My god, there's a whole freakin' village in here! Is this Tokyo or what?"

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 1, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Also, Wilbrod, riding the subway will give the candidate experience with the underground economy, as well as the terrible problem of tokenism, for those who have no tokens.

Give Wilbrodog a scratch behind the ears for me. I miss that ol' hound.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 1, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, the war of the Alaska National Guard versus the rampaging rebel Moose and their squirrel spies attacking the oil rigs was a true saga of steely leadership, brinkmanship, and wise decision-making for the ages.

It is not for nothing that they call her "the Churchill of Juneau."

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 1, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Heeheehee, I had to share this. The title of Kristol's op-ed piece in this morning's NYT:

A Star Is Born?

Oh the irony!

And I understand why there is no head-exploding cognitive dissonance among evangelicals over this issue. Two words--immaculate conception. See? All nice and clean. No dirty sex involved.

Posted by: DNA Girl | September 1, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

What, no scratch on the butt to go with that? Thanks for the ear massages.

I've been wearing my paws down those days, although not quite as much I'd like. Why couldn't I have gotten a jogger like S'nuke? Instead the gnome is trying to get me to go into LAKES, with all that slimy moss and rocks and gritty sand and underwater fish, mosquito larvae, bears and such.

Today I went in all the way up to my wrists, to watch the gnome swim, and you'd know it, it wasn't enough. Nooo, I was dragged and even pushed by little children swarming around me until I finally swam three strokes, without my feet touching the GROUND!! That was when I headed for the hills.

If dogs were meant to swim, we'd have gills or beaks, and that's all I'm saying on the subject. Can't you people SMELL what's in a lake, especially one full of little kids barely out of diapers?

Anyway, we had a little frisbee afterwards, and a walk home to soothe my nerves.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | September 1, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Evangelicals, fundamentalists and hardshell Christians, in my experience, have never been against sex; they just voice opposition to alcohol, gays and liberals. The local teenage pregnancy event leads to the traditional shotgun wedding, accepted as a norm, unless the couple decides not to marry, then it's buried and never spoken of again. The variables have their stories: The fundamentalists are the ones who never acknowledge their neighbors in a liquor store, for example. Or the Larry Craig's who may secretly solicit sex in a bathroom; or the Bible-thumping local elected official who has a quietly recognized, yet suspicious interest in underage girls. The hypocrites who fly the flag of fundamentalist religious belief are no different from bin Laden. Second rant ended.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Hello all hope everyone had a great weekend.

Saw Bill Bennett state on CNN that abstinence education has been proven to be the most effective method at preventing teen pregnancy. That made me remember reading about the recent stats for Teen pregnancy here - they are down and much lower rate of pregnancy per 1,000 than the US.

I am disturbed after hearing that the young lady is planning on marrying. Were it my child and she wished to keep the child I would fully support that but would actively discourage marriage - too young for that decision just raising the baby will be difficult enough, family can help with that but it is hard to help make a marriage work and last.

Of course kids/young adults do have an annoying habit of "thinking for themselves".

Posted by: dmd | September 1, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Where's Dan Quayle to blame Bristol's pregnancy on her watching Murphy Brown when she was a young girl?

Posted by: TBG | September 1, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

dmd, I’m with you on the daughter not marrying. Long ago and far away I was 18 and in the same situation. Times and expectations were very different and I married the boy. I wouldn’t trade my daughters for anything but marrying at such a young age is (and was) a big mistake.

I would never agree to run for VP if I had a newborn child with disabilities and a 17 year old pregnant daughter. My first responsibilities would be to the children. But maybe that’s just me.

Does anyone else feel creeped out each time McCain says, “my friends.” I expect his next sentence to involve selling me some piece of ‘carp’ that I don’t need and can’t afford.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 1, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm delighted that Gustav only delivered a head slap and not a full boot to the head as feared. At least so far. Until the waters have receded their is still risk.

Also proud of Obama for laying down a clear line:

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 1, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I suppose this really is the woman's dilemma. If Mrs. Palin gets the job, her kids suffer. She suffers because they do. And then her performance at the job suffers. Not a prescription for success.

When my children were small, I stayed in my job with the fire department because it paid well and didn't require more than 40 hours a week. My ex tried several times to get me to go for other jobs, but I wouldn't, because I liked my job and knew that something else would take me away from the kids. If I had had the ambition, I could have doubled my salary and more, I guess. But it wasn't worth it to me.

Posted by: slyness | September 1, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Bad, I don't know if this will answer your "Friends" question, and/or make you feel better. (Didn't me.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 1, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Dang. Everybody is stealing my thunder today. I was already with a comment that Palin needs to come clean with a Checkers speech. There is still a lot of suspiciousousity over the Palin family tree. I'm going to wait for some industrious investigative journalist to lay out the whole story before I say any of this passes the sniff test.

The whole Quayle-Brown speech is online:

//It doesn’t help matters when prime time TV has Murphy Brown – a character who supposedly epitomizes today’s intelligent, highly paid, professional woman – mocking the importance of a father, by bearing a child alone, and calling it just another “lifestyle choice.”//

Technically since little Bristol is already scheduled for a military wedding (well, there will be shotguns involved), it passes the Quayle Test for responsible parenting. Still not a ringing endorsement of abstinence-only education.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 1, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

BTW - not gonna judge here, but you do know who else is famous for giving people silly names.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 1, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

TBG, I was waiting for someone to mention the movie Juno as the bad influence.

The focus on the candidates family is not something I am that familiar with and I am not sure how much a family members actions would affect my voting decisions. Family is much more off limits here - I think perhaps I am wrong.

As for Gov. Palin's busy family, she does have a "house husband" so I am not sure if having a difficult home life should preclude her from the VP position. If you use that argument what about military families is it fair for children if one or both parents are gone for long periods of time? Not to pick on the military but the first career that came to mind.

I think one of the reasons so few women are in politics is the difficulty in trying to have a work/family balance, I think I mentioned before our province has altered its "house" hours to try to accomodate a more balanced family life for all members.

Posted by: dmd | September 1, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

slyness - I would quibble that although it is clearly most common for women, it isn't just women. I have passed up more professional opportunities in my life to help with my challenging family than I care to remember.

Not making a case for martyrdom here, but if it weren't for those dang kids I could be making far more and would have lived a vastly different life.

Good thing I'm so gosh darn fond of em.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 1, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Well, there are unreliable narrators, and then there are unreliable editors. Charlie in "Flowers for Algernon" was an unreliable narrator because he didn't know his good friends were really cruelly mocking him. The reader understood Charlie was not reliable in this respect. Daniel Keyes's editor wanted him to change the story so it had a happy ending, and Charlie retained his new brilliance. Keyes said "no way."

I first read the expression in A Prayer for Owen Meany. Irving has no qualms about beating the reader about the head and neck. 18 years later I decided to track it down once and for all on Wikipedia.

Not recommended for kids:

Someone should ask Palin about spanking children. Not that I care, but some sort of kerfluffle would be sure to result.

Posted by: Jumper | September 1, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Mudge & bad sneaks,
The WaPo bio article I linked to yesterday attributed the "my friends" tic to John picking it up from his father, Admiral Jack "Naval Power" McCain.

//Consciously or not, the son was fast in the process of acquiring some of his father's favorite speech patterns and devices, such as Jack McCain's tendency, in conversing with someone, to use the phrase "my friend" at the end of a sharp or stern point that he thought was deserving of emphasis. Each man radiated authority, one of the observers said, even though one of them was middle-aged and strutting around in an officer's regal blue and gold sleeves, and the other was standing at attention in his underwear.//

Again, yet another Republican nominee with authority issues, particularly parental authority.

Not that any of this contradicts the Slate article.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 1, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

dmd -- Wiki has this on Sarah Palin's husband

//Todd works for the oil company BP as an oil-field production operator.[116] He is also a Bristol Bay salmon set-netter and owns a commercial fishing business.[24] He is a champion snowmobiler, who has won the 2,000-mile (3,200 km) "Iron Dog" race four times.[6]//

If he has a full time job with BP he is not a house husband!

Posted by: nellie | September 1, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Now I wonder, who does take care of the kids?

Posted by: nellie | September 1, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I suspect, Nellie, that they are latchkey kids, given that Todd's job is 700 miles awaqy.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

But they do have an extended family. Grandparents (Heath) and sister (McCann) who have been mentioned in the media. And then, Bristol is old enough to take some responsibility.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

And I forgot to link to this ombudsman article from yesterday:

Deborah Howell: We don't neeeeed no steeekin' copy editors.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 1, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Nellie, I doubled checked to see, a few articles on him say he cooks, cleans pays the bills and drives the kids to their activities.

A few blog sites say he stayed home when his wife became governor but don't see anything definite.

Posted by: dmd | September 1, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Mudge and yello, thanks for the references. And you’re right Mudge, doesn’t explain it really but at least I see how long the phrase has been used and by whom. I may have mentioned this before but I think that anyone who has to speak in public could benefit from a membership in Toastmasters. I know “S” used to be a member and I went to a few meetings when I worked for a company that had it’s own group. We know a guy who won their competition a few years ago, matter of fact, we each gave him some suggestions for his speech and he used them. That would be my only claim to fame. And it’s easier to tell someone else how to do something, than to do it oneself!

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 1, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for quibbling with me, RD. Point made, and seconded. There are more important things in life than being CEO, president, or otherwise HMFIC.

All children are challenging, and special needs kids must be triple or quadruple the normal challenges.

If Mrs. Palin is to succeed, she must have a nanny/granny/housekeeper in whose judgment she has complete trust. It doesn't sound like she already has that kind of help. Mary Poppins isn't available, and Maria von Trapp is dead.

Posted by: slyness | September 1, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh, you made me laugh ---

//Bristol is old enough to take some responsibility.

Posted by: Shiloh//

Posted by: nellie | September 1, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I read that Mr Palin quit his job when Ms Palin was elected Gov, to escape any conflict of interest concerns. So he's been a househusband for what, 18 months?

Like I said, we'll get ourselves all tangled up in this, and the evangelicals' heads won't explode the way I think they should. I bet the Palin kids have good care. But I bet if it was a Democratic woman in the same situation, we'd be hearing about how she was disrespectful of stay-at-home moms, and didn't care about her family, etc.

"My friends" is why I can't listen to McCain speak.

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 1, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Fact is, yello, that the pornographic diatribe on some sites needs not a copy editor, but a moderator for civility that adheres to the Posts own rules. Howell may howl at Weingarten, but silliness should be exempt from copy editing until it strays beyond acceptable community (blog) standards. And Joel has sometimes come very close to the line. I abhor the idea of censorship or interference in creative processes, but shouting "Let's invade Paraguay" in a room full of senescent admirals is not the best use of free speech.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

RD, my own father turned down better paying jobs involving lots of travel for family reasons as well.

Just as well; often, those jobs pay well because few people want to do them-- for good reasons.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 1, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Todd Palin went back to work for BP 4 months after Sarah became Governor because they needed his $120k and her $120k salaries to make ends meet.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

240k to make ends meet - nice ends! Just heard one of our local news commentators say that the first rule for a VP nominee is to do no harm and Palin has already broken the rule. Of course it’s McCain and/or his people who chose her so I think it’s more his fault. Anyway, tired of the whole discussion and the endless flogging of Gustav on tv. Back to work tomorrow. Why do four day weeks always seem longer?

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 1, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Funny article by Paul Farhi on hurricane coverage:

Posted by: mostlylurking | September 1, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

$240k is not that much is Alaska where the cost of basics is pretty high. I suspect babysitters make $25 an hour.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I looked up Alaska mortality and it turns out that "unintented injuries" rank third behind malignant neoplasms and diseases of the heart.

I'm not exactly sure what to make of the rates--residents tend to come and go more than in most states and they're heavily concentrated in Anchorage, Fairbanks, and a few other towns.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 1, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Farhi's hurricane story was funny and on point. I suppose we will have to endure those derring-do stories until a network TV journalist is storm-killed and the survivors sue for imposed negligence. I'm sure that appeal will go all the way to SCOTUS.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 1, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Beautiful star field out tonight,very clear and the Milky Way is visible across the sky.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | September 1, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh, median income in Alaska is 57K or so.

I'm not sure your logic applies. indicates "The cost of living in Juneau, AK is 13.7% lower than in Washington, DC" And that employers pay 6.1% more, and there is no state income tax, so the disposable income would increase by 23K.

And let me say that a lot of two-income families in DC actually would be lucky to break the 120K salary mark.

The math doesn't hold up, even if you consider the added cost of housing and feeding a family of 6 (now to be 8-9 if her daughter lives in with her new family).

I'm not optimistic that she'll be shown to be very good on budgetary matters, and in fact, she promised budget cuts and she did record spending instead.

This is from last September.

Well, she's sounding more and more like Bush re-warmed to me, rather than a sort of Republican Hillary like the Republicans would like to promote.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 1, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

RNC Update- The NYT article Shiloh linked to at 5:18, while factual, doesn't seem entirely accurate. It makes it sound as if all this "violence" was going on at the same time, and in close proximity to the convention site, and was all part of the anti-war demonstration.

The main anti-war protest group was to march from the capitol to the Xcel Center and back but a small group, fewer than 200, started early and attempted to break the police barrier set up to keep them out of the building. There were only 13 arrests made right at the Xcel after the reported attacks on delegates.

Despite the approved route not keeping them out of sight of the arriving delegates the black clad group, with radio equipped "medics" and legal observers from the National Lawyers Guild looking on from the sidewalk kept marching beyond the Xcel. The "Funk the War" group, which stuck primarily to its assigned protest area and protested through "spontaneous dance," seems to have been convoluted in the mind of some reporters with the "RNC Welcome Committee," self proclaimed anarchists. In the Frostfam's 1st hand observations the Welcome Committee touched off the clashes with police and property damage. They were irritatingly uncommunicative about what they were protesting or what their goals might be. I have to admit their tactics were admirably effective. They'd march pretty quietly down city streets, off the permitted routes, and when blocked by police would flow like water down another street. This could have kept up all day and into the night with the bicycle officers basically forming an escort. Late in the afternoon the protesters got mixed up with the crowd walking to Harriet Island (middle of the Mississippi) for the traditional union sponsored Labor Day concert. The police blocked the bridge and protesters blocked the intersection. The police ordered everyone to sit down and said they'd be arresting them. They sorted out the people who were en route to the concert, "Officer, I'm just on my way to the concert" seemed to be the proof necessary and those left sitting were handcuffed and taken away for booking. I just got off the phone with Frostdottir who says the latest arrest count is up to just under 200. She spent a good part of the evening riding her bike around town and reports the protesters basically just did enough to make sure they'd be arrested. "Kind of like when I used to do something as soon as you told me not to." ("Used to?" I thought.)

Here's a link to a video Frostdottir shot with her phone. The protesters blocked a street one block from our house. We overheard the police deciding to let them continue to block it since the one way street sees almost no traffic on a holiday anyway. The bicycle officers then move in to keep them from coming back into the very busy intersection they just crossed.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 1, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Wow, a busy day, too much to cover.
Frosti, I'd heard about the protests and arrests in St. Paul on CNN - thanks for those updates.

Thought I'd relax and watch some college football (Tenn at UCLA) on ESPN tonight. Wouldn't you know that both teams scored TDs in the last two minutes, and Tenn got a 47-yard field goal with 5 seconds left to send it into overtime?

Good game, yes.
Relaxing, no.

I'm going to watch the end of this game, and go to sleep...

G'night all.


Posted by: bc | September 1, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Here is one of my pictures of Bloede's Dam:

I also made a 20 megapixel panorama that I might blog about.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 2, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

90 degrees today, we'll be lucky to break 70 tomorrow. I guess summer really is over.

Toodles boodle and sweet dreams. Frostdottir has agreed to be my stringer tomorrow. Scheduled RNC protest marches are supposed to revolve around poverty and housing issues.

Posted by: frostbitten | September 2, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Those pudgy bicycle cops look so tough with their shorts and Camelbacks.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 2, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson nails it, and I wish this was on page one of the WaPo.

Posted by: nellie | September 2, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

In a box, with a border.

Posted by: nellie | September 2, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse it is going to be a formal wedding the bride's father will be carrying a white shotgun.

Posted by: Boko999 | September 2, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

A big red border.

Posted by: nellie | September 2, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

i really like to tomatoes picture.

that's my boodle contribution for the day.

i. am. so. tired. of. election. drama.
make. it. go. away.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | September 2, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Beautiful picture. At a glance, those great looking tomatoes look like peaches, one of my favourite fruits. I don’t do gardening. When I step outside the house, mosquitoes would yell, “Food!”

For us, way back when, we usually see a few months of campaigning by the political parties before election. A two-thirds majority had allowed the ruling party to change the constitution to only 1 month campaigning. This was because the ruling party didn’t want the opposition to reveal too much of their evil deeds. Newspapers are not allowed to print anything that would make the government look bad. It’s been 51 years since independence and the country is still been ruled by the same political party. For a lot of people, I guess the pain is not intense enough. I hope that will change soon.

Posted by: rainforest | September 2, 2008 3:38 AM | Report abuse

When I was a teenager, very few teenage girls get pregnant. When they do, they’d drop out of school and get married. There are a lot more teen pregnancies in the last 20 years in the town where I grew up. It’s more acceptable now then it was before. Nowadays, majority of those girls who got pregnant are those who had dropped out of school during their secondary school years (from 13 to 17 years). Very few girls get pregnant while still in school. Those who did would quit school and get married. There’s nothing that says they couldn’t keep attending school. It’s just that they won’t be able to stand the staring and jokes when their uniforms can no longer hide their bulging stomachs.

Posted by: rainforest | September 2, 2008 3:47 AM | Report abuse

Notebook entry to self - Just composed long, rambling 'boodle comment, addressed to frostbitten & Wilbrod, with tidbits imed at everoone contained brilliant observations. Decided to get rid of it permanently. Good idea, methinks.

Good night & Godspeed, all!

Posted by: Bob S. | September 2, 2008 4:04 AM | Report abuse

So, frosti, how many millions in earmarks did you bring in as mayor of your town?

And can you bring some of it to the MBPH in October, small bills, unmarked bag? :-)

Posted by: dbG | September 2, 2008 4:07 AM | Report abuse

Actually, my notebook entry isn't nearly as concise, or well-spelled as my previous comment. But you probably get the idea. Minnesotan earmarks were actually involved!

G'night, all.

Posted by: Bob S. | September 2, 2008 4:13 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning. I didn't realize that people are sometimes offended when one calls them "friends". Perhaps I should not include that word in my salutations any longer. Please, I do consider all here as friends, but you guys know that. I've only met Slyness, and TBG's son, so maybe it just might be more on the good side of etiquette until I meet everyone before slinging the word around. I don't know. I consider all here my friends, and it doesn't matter that I don't know what you look like.

Why am I up at four o'clock in the morning? I haven't got the slightest idea. Just woke up, and can't seem to go back to sleep. Of course, I did go to bed pretty early.

Scotty, Martooni, Mudge, Slyness, hope the weekend was good for you guys, and for all.*waving*

Eugene Robinson's op-ed is very good this morning. He calls in account McCain's decision of his VP, and how it shows McCain's continuing lack of thought in decision making. How his character isn't necessarily what he tells it to be. More focus on McCain than the actual events. It does help me to understand a little bit better, but I'm still at a loss as to why he picked this person. I thought the VP selection was to enhance a candidate's position, not setting it up for poison darts. It just sounds like too much baggage.

I think I might walk this morning. Just a little bit. I so need to do that. Have a great day, folks.

Almost time to swim.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 2, 2008 4:36 AM | Report abuse

Goodmorning! I'm up cramming for some doctor's tests. Last time, not too bad, I only failed one of them.

It's the kids' first day of school. Though they are grumbling about it, they smell like soap, and I know they are secretly excited about meeting new teachers and friends. Getting them out of bed should be a snap.

I'm far from a news junkie, but I'll admit last night that I hooked the antenna up to the TV to get a main stream media view on the newest political developments, and other than the weather report, it was a waste of time. No surprise there.

I would think that with all the republican decision making blunders along with a hurricane wrecking their convention, the dems have the White House in the bag. Time to focus on local elections.

Posted by: DandyLion | September 2, 2008 5:14 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' all...

Cassandra, you can call me "friend" anytime you want. So can the rest of you, if you feel I'm worthy of the title.

The difference with McCain's overuse of "my friends" is the obvious pandering tone of it. If he went with "my fellow Americans" or something along those lines, whatever he is trying to tell/sell us might come across as a little more sincere.

I was just thinking... the Republicans like to spread around guilt by association. If McCain considers everyone his friend, as he repeats incessantly every time he gets near a microphone, doesn't that mean he's guilty by association for every bad thing every "friend" in his audience has done?

Anyway... almost time to wake up Bean and her Mommy to get ready for school. You'd have thought it was Christmas Eve last night, she was so excited. We had barely finished dinner and she was asking if it was time to brush her teeth and go to bed yet. I hope that attitude lasts another 18 years or so.

Time for more coffee. Got a busy day lined up and I'm going to need all the caffeine I can rustle up.

Peace out... :-)

Posted by: martooni | September 2, 2008 6:04 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle, Cassandra and DandyLion.

Tuesday. Ugh. OK, I can deal with this.
Found this nugget. "The New York Post reports that although Levi [Johnston, newly announced father of Bristol's baby] admits to being ‘in a relationship’ on his personal My Space page, the teen hockey player makes the candid revelation that he does not want to be a parent, stating, “I don’t want kids.'”

"The teen also uses the site to talk openly about how he likes to spend his time. He boasts, "I'm a f - - -in' redneck who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes. But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- - - and just f - - -in' chillin' I guess.”

"He warns, 'Ya f - - - with me I'll kick [your] ass.'"

What prospective in-law parent wouldn't be proud?

And America will likewise be so proud to have this gentleman joining the Second Family. And it is readily apparent why a shotgun marriage to this fellow is such an outstandingly good idea. In fact, I'd say their long-term prospects were Britney Spearsish.

That's just what this campaign needed: a healthy infusion of Jerry Springerism.

Yes, Robinson's column was good, as was Richard Cohen's.

Must somehow figure out a way to get ready for the rest of the week. I guess hemlock isn't an option, though. D@mn.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 2, 2008 6:11 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, when you call us friends, it comes from a sincere belief and from a warm and loving person. Big difference from the way McCain uses the phrase. Reading some of the comments on the Robinson piece depresses me. I have to stop doing that, pretty much the only comments that make sense are posted here.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | September 2, 2008 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Palin's Small Alaska Town Secured Big Federal Funds

Posted by: Shiloh | September 2, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

make roux
add sharp cheddar cheese, melt and mix well
add elbow macaroni cooked al dente, mix well
pour some mix into buttered casserole dish to just about one inch
layer some quarter inch slices of fresh from garden tomatoes
pour some more mix to cover tomatoes
layer some more quarter inch slices of fresh from garden tomatoes
pour in rest of mix
add some grated cheese, butter and bread crumbs to top it off
bake in oven till top is golden brown
serve with love for lunch or dinner

Posted by: omni | September 2, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

i mean really
we get this nano kit
with a pretty pic of delicious mouth watering maters
and all you all go on and on and on about Palin and the repugs
enough already
give me some more recipes
i'm half tempted to go back and reread the previous boodle

to the mac/cheese recipe
you can add some chopped onions to the mix if you like

Posted by: omni | September 2, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra... the difference is that we ARE your friends. When McCain says "my friends" it just sounds like this...

Well, ya got trouble, my friend.
Right here, I say trouble right here in River City
Why, sure, I'm a billiard player
Certainly mighty proud to say,
I'm always mighty proud to say it
I consider the hours I spend with a cue in my hand are golden
Help you cultivate horse sense and a cool head and a keen eye
Didja ever take an' try an' give an iron clad leave
to yourself from a three-rail billiard shot?
But just as I say it takes judgement, brains and maturity
to score in a balk-line game
I say that any boob can take and shove a ball in a pocket
And I call that sloth,
the first big step on the road to the depths of degreda-
I say, first- medicinal wine from a teaspoon,
then beer from a bottle
And the next thing you know your son is playin'
for money in a pinchback suit
and listenin' to some big out-o'-town jasper
Hear him tell about horserace gamblin'
Not a wholesome trottin' race, no,
but a race where they set down right on the horse
Like to see some stuck up jockey boy sittin' on Dan Patch?
Make your blood boil, well I should say
Now, folks, let me show you what I mean
You got one, two, three, four, five, six pockets in a table
Pockets that mark the difference between a gentleman and a bum
With a capital 'B' and that rhymes with 'P' and that stands for 'pool'...

Oh, we got trouble
Right here in River City
Right here in River City
With a capital 'T' and that rhymes with 'P' and that stands for 'pool'
That stands for pool
We surely got trouble
We surely got trouble
Right here in River City
Right here

Gotta figure out a way to keep the young ones moral after school

Posted by: TBG | September 2, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

At the beach yesterday, a nice long-period swell from Hanna. Thursday, we may have tropical storm conditions. Time to gather some cut flowers in the yard.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | September 2, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

May I add that the first entry in this year's Tomato Competition has been delivered and they look delicious. Details to follow after lunch...

Posted by: TBG | September 2, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

I like short work weeks...

'Specially when there's a birthday thrown in.

*off-to-find-a-bit-more-caffeine-and-wishing-all-my-friends-a-wonderful-week Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 2, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Oh, omni, that is one mouth-watering dish. Sounds really good. And the tomatoes can do nothing but really send it to the top of everyone most wanted list. Are you a chef?

Martooni, Bad Sneakers, thanks a bunch, and everyone of the same sentiment.

Dear, Mudge, not hemlock?

Posted by: cassandra s | September 2, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry to keep at this topic, but it IS the news of the day...

If McCain knew that Palin's unmarried daughter was pregnant at 17, what is that telling us?

That the reason behind abstinence-only sex education is to create more teen pregnancies? That it's such a good idea for a 17-year-old girl to have a baby that he wants to hold her mother up as the standard to which we should all aspire?

He thinks Sarah Palin is the second-most-qualified person to be president of the United States?

Yikes. The Republicans still haven't nominated him officially yet, have they? They still have the chance to back out if they want to. Wouldn't THAT be interesting?

Posted by: TBG | September 2, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Hurricane Hanna in the Bahamas,now projected to make landfall in SC. Ike projected to become hurricane on Thursday and Josephine projected for Saturday. Quite a string of storms.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 2, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Boodle!

Sputter, sputter, cough, wheeze. My crate is reluctant to become airborne and spread terror among the enemy.

The Republicans must be taking lessons from Georgia in shooting themselves in the foot.

Haff a gut day everyone.

Posted by: Brag | September 2, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Had my nephew go to his MySpace site to look for Levi Johnston. No luck, so went to the NYPost story and it seems the site has been taken down. No surprise. All trails to Sarah Palin and family are being sanitized. I did find a pix of her with a bloody caribou, saved it, but when I went back to link to it, it was gone.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 2, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Shiloh--interesting report on the activities behind the scenes. Dark forces never rest.

Posted by: Brag | September 2, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Gov Palin's wiki enry was revised big time the same day she was announced as the GOP VP nominee. The editors noticed and put an end to it. It would be interesting to compare and contrast the before and after entries. Ms. Clean?

Posted by: jack | September 2, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Also gone are websites by Levi Johnston's sister with pictures of her and Bristol holding Trig that refer to Bristol as her sister-in-law.

I downloaded several pictures (before they too disappear) from Meghan McCain's blog of Bristol holding Trig on Announcement Day. While I wasn't looking for baby bumbs (shouldn't a teenager five months pregnant be showing by now?), it does appear that Bristol wears something on her left ring finger. Exactly what couldn't be discerned from the low resolution pictures.

After admitting that I was looking at that, I feel like I need another shower. Schadenfreude is such an ugly emotion.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 2, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, though we've never met I consider you to be a good friend.
And, no, I'm not a chef.
That recipe actually comes in part from the side of a box of elbow macaroni.
It was my Mom's idea to add fresh tomatoes.

I just had a flashback to 7 or 8 or so (actually a good many times around that age and later into my teens)
My Mom would ask me what I wanted for lunch.
I don't know.
How about some tomato soup.
She would make Campbell's cream of tomato.
We'd sit silently at the table with buttered white bread to dip in the soup.

It's like my Mom and me had this special relationship with each other and with soup that my siblings didn't.

Minestrone, Chicken Noodle, and most especially Cream of Tomato.

Gosh, how I miss Her

Posted by: omni | September 2, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

"John McCain running mate Sarah Palin misled Republican supporters"

The British press has a clarity unmuddied by partisan parsing.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 2, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Looking through the Wayback Machine at, you can read the Wiki entries on Sarah Palin up to November 2007 (entries are listed up to Feb 08, but the most recent won't open). They don't seem to have much that's not still there.

In fact, there is a lot of new stuff in her Wiki entry now.

Posted by: TBG | September 2, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

omni... those Mom memories are precious. Thanks for sharing them with us. :-)

Posted by: TBG | September 2, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Also from the Telegraph, UK; Spillius blog, including spelling of caribou:

As the New York Daily News reports, Faye Palin, mother of Todd, is a registered independent and may vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Todd, by the way, is also an independent.

"We don't agree on everything. But I respect her passion. Being pro-life is who Sarah is," she said.

She added: "I'm not sure what she brings to the ticket other than she's a woman and a conservative."

Come on Mrs Palin, what about the moose shooting, hockey playing, beauty pageants, carbibou hot dog-eating, fishing and snowmobiling, and pending grandmother-hood. Your daughter-in-law is no ordinary politician. -Spillius

Note: Use of "independent" is not accurate. The term used on Alaska voter registration rolls is "undeclared." -Shiloh

Posted by: Shiloh | September 2, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, omni, I sorta know how you feel...but I must confess I am quite angry and bitter about the whole Bristol Palin thing, for this reason: for something like three decades, I and many people like me-- that's mostly you, Boodle -- have been unwilling and unhappy victims of the so-called "culture wars," during which we have been castigated and excoriated by all those smarmy right-wing evangelicals, the smug self-righteous and sanctimonious Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells, on this very subject: any time the daughter of a liberal got knocked up, it was due to liberal permissiveness, poor parenting, total lack of morals, failure to go to church and pray, secular humanism, MTV, x-rated Hollywood movies, setting a bad example, and a whole litany and horse---- we've had to listen to for years.

As recently as a few months ago, when Jamie Lynn Spears was announced as pregnant, there was a big uproar and a lot of eye-rolling and lip curling, and there was this summary from People magazine:

"Jamie Lynn Spears's announcement Tuesday that she is pregnant at 16 has generated an immediate groundswell of strong opinion, much of it negative, with many suggesting Spears may have lost all credibility as a teen role model."

"The reactions have flooded in from PEOPLE readers and celebrity bloggers. And while some have expressed sympathy for the family's plight, others see the news as a major step back in the fight against teen pregnancy – and are holding Spears, her parents and her employer, Nickelodeon, accountable."

So, ummm...the question has to be asked, where is the "negative groundswell" against Bristol and her family? Has Bristol, too, "lost all credibiluity as a role model"? Is it a "major step step back in the fight against teen pregnancy"? Should Bristol's parents be "held accountable" (a phrase I've come to loathe) for their daughter's behavior?

No. The clear answer is, when the daughter of moderate or liberal gets knocked up, it is because of poor parenting and total lack of morals in the home. When the daughter of a religious conservative gets knocked up, on the other hand, it is "life affirming," and we are supposed to show love, tolerance, understanding and compassion.

If a major Dem candidate had stood up and said teen pregnancy issues should be handled with love, tolerance, understanding and compassion, that candidate would have been blasted off the campaign trail and the airwaves by an onslaught of Conservative culture vultures.

I really don't care on small whit about Bristol Palin or her family's problems; been there and done that myself in my own family more than you know. But I am just so sick of this craven hypocrisy from the right wing and the religious moralizers.


My friends, anybody got a good recipe for gazpacho? I was listening to NPR over the weekend, and a guy had a recipe for "authentic" Spanish-style gazpacho the way he claims they make it in Spain (link and recipe here: So, my friends, I made up a double batch Sunday (it just barely fits into a standard Cuisinart). And it was bland and disappointing. Tried to jazz it up a bit with more pepper, my friends, but that didn't help much (shoulda used Tabasco, but the kids chugged it as usual, and we were all out).

I guess I just prefer good ol' Murican inauthentic chunky-but-a-little-spicey gazpacho. Your thoughts, my friends?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 2, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

G'morning, all. Late here because Mr. T and I went to breakfast at our favorite little restaurant in Blowing Rock. There will be no lunch for us today, we won't need it. These folks have the best omelets I've ever eaten. I had my usual: veggie omelet with cheese, sliced tomatoes and a biscuit. Wonderful.

Yes, Cassandra, we are really friends here.

omni, in my world, cream of tomato soup always went with saltine crackers. You mashed the crackers up and put them in the soup. Yum.

Now I'm going to read the paper, didn't have time before we left to eat.

Posted by: slyness | September 2, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Excellent rant, mudge. Even the double standards have double standards. Let's face it. Kids do stupid, stupid things all the time.

For those into silly nicknames, the official Sarah Palin moniker is Caribou Barbie.

Yes, it is sexist. And tarandus-phobic.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 2, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Sally Quinn does a nice job highlighting the hypocrisy here:

Just stay away from the comments. Nasty. Nasty. Nasty.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 2, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Palin, as mayor of Walla-Walla-WhatamattaU, snagged fifteen mil for mass transit and we can't get the Purple Line designed. Heck with Vice President, elect her Montgomery County Executive. Maryland could use that kind of pork clout.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 2, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

Mudge, I did manage to catch that exchange between Campbell Brown and the GOP/McCain rep on CNN yesterday evening, and I'm glad she gave up.

My face was getting distorted from the centripetal forces, though it was a heck of an amusement part ride.


Posted by: bc | September 2, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

slyness, in my world, any tomato based soup called for buttered white bread, except Chili got crushed crackers as did Chicken Noodle.

Mudge -

2 lbs. ripe tomatoes
2 cucumbers
1 small sweet onion
1/4 yellow, red or green bell pepper (yellow is mildest)
4 slices French bread, moistened
1 and 1/2 chopped purple garlic ( 3 cloves)
4 tbls. extra virgin olive oil
1-2 tsp salt, to taste
4 tbls. sherry vinegar

Posted by: omni | September 2, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

My Gazpacho recipe is very similar, EXCEPT that it includes two minced cloves of garlic and 1 teaspoon of ground cumin added after blending and is served with diced garnishes of pepper, tomato, cucumber and garlic croutons.

My recipe came from the Antigua Casa Sobrino de Botin in Madrid (circa 1725, you may remember it when it was new). I don't know if it's still in business.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 2, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse


Add a chicken or beef bullion cube to the gaspach!

Posted by: Brag | September 2, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Sally Quinn summarized it well. As for the comments (well the ones I read, once the dial spins past a thousand there is no use in wading too deep), I've seen worse. At least they have a "Report Offensive Comment" button. I wonder how much that would get used over here.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 2, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

bc and mudge

I saw the exchange between Campbell Brown and the McCain mouthpiece and it was sad to watch. I don't think the McCain guy knew he was lost or up the creek without a paddle. It hurt to watch because he clearly did not have the answer, and the response he gave was not satisfactory, which Campbell Brown made, him, and the television audience painfully aware of.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 2, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

It's still there and Gazpacho is still on the menu.

Posted by: Shiloh | September 2, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and another good one from CNN. Rick Sanchez(?)not sure about the name, had a Dem spectator on Saturday evening at the Repub convention. He asked her, who did she think would want to hear what she had to say at the Convention or something along those lines, and she shot back, evidently, CNN. And I thought, yes, you got him.

Posted by: cassandra s | September 2, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

New Kit. And its a good 'un.

Posted by: RD Padouk | September 2, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Chop an onion and some garlic and some fresh ginger and saute in oil
add curry powder black pepper cinnamon cumin coriander and a dash of turmeric
mix well
add lentils
mix well again
throw in a bay leaf
and chopped fresh tomatoes
add water to cover and bring to boil
watch water level as it will decrease rapidly ( lentils are thirsty)
taste after twenty minutes to see if tender
add a little salt
tastes better, reheated the next day

no, I'm not gonna stop

Posted by: omni | September 2, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

The real reason I'm back.

I have home telephone service from at&t. I went to their web page to try and change my service because they have these charges on my bill that keep it very high. They have a number to call for that, but it is so difficult on the phone. I thought I could email them, and voice my complaint that way. Well, the thing about the web page is you never get to email. They take you in a circle, but nothing comes up for the actual email. I went to the phone, and all one gets is the recording asking you to punch in information, and for me that is a nightmare because I'm usually wrong with the information.

My question to some of the lawyers. Isn't that denial of access or something on that order. I mean according to the laws of accessibility for disable Americans(ADA), shouldn't I be able to contact these folks in a manner wherein I am able to do that. This is a major communication company, yet I can't contact them. They've had problems in my state before for limited access. It is so frustrating. There is a page for home telephone service, but one has to log in and give a code or something of that nature. I wanted to ask a question, and then decide what to do.

Can anyone help me?

Posted by: cassandra s | September 2, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, use better vinegar (red wine, basalmic something), add a little lemon juice if you need more acidity.

Garlic and cumin are good (salt and pepper and a little spice is ok)--although I'd say strong-enough onion will do the job w/o garlic... no sweet vidala crap for me... but what stands out to me is this gazpacho recipe lacks cucumbers totally, and I'm thinking the bell peppers need more "body".

I've never been a fan of bread in gazpacho-- I know it's the authentic recipe, but dunno. Go Murican if you want.

Posted by: Wilbrod | September 2, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

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