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Guest Kit: The Bora Tribe

My friend Reilly Capps, a former Post intern, is traveling in the Amazon and I asked him to write up a guest kit. The following just came over the transom.

By Reilly Capps

IQUITOS, Peru -- In a thatched roof hut near the headwaters of the Amazon River, a few of the remaining members of the Bora tribe dance for tourists, all of whom paid $5 to see proof that the Bora still exist, here at the ends of the Earth: topless women and facepainted men working together to maintain their culture, mainly by producing Bora children with traditional Bora names such as ... Nick and Darcy.

Yes, Nick and Darcy of the Bora tribe. Nick! Darcy! And on the dirt streets of this jungle town, it´s the same strange name game. Alongside Miguel and Maria, barefoot Laura slings dodgeballs at Caroline, Luigi, and Andrea, and nearby you meet Dexter, Hamilton, Hillary and Karen, all these Latino and indigenous cinnamon-skinned people with names straight out of "The Hills."

Though the globalization of names seems more pronounced here, it´s not just here. Parents everywhere seem to be using the exact same baby naming book: John, the Jakarta taxi driver; Susie, the Israeli store clerk. It´s as if America, having given the world Slurpees, John Travolta and the Bush Doctrine, has earned the honor of naming all the world´s children.

What´s going on? The answer was in the provincial hall of records here, a stuffy place where a mom waited to register her son, Max. ("I wanted him to have a common name," she said. "Max is his uncle´s name.") Record keepers Elizabeth and Harley hauled down dusty books which showed that, 100 or even 50 years ago, virtually all the names here were Spanish -- after the people who conquered and settled this land. Then, by the 1950s, something else had conquered: movie theaters. This city is linked to the outside world only by the Amazon river, but even here, movies come in by airplane, and they can often feel more real and vibrant than the culture in the rest of Latin America. By the 1960s, names like Jenny, Elva and Roosevelt (and one kid named Hitler) crept into the registration books alongside Jose, Guillermo and Marisol. After TV arrived here (the contraption some jungle folks here still call the "son of the cinema"), the trend accelerated -- until this year´s registration book has only a few Hispanic names sprinkled in a forest of Jazumi, Axis, Kayla, Jerry, Lesly, Brad and Clara.

This is weird but good news, at least for us. I can´t prove this, but I believe nations are sympathetic to ours in direct proportion to the number of people named Skyler, and that no two nations have ever gone to war when both nations named their children Jasmine.

It might be a bad sign, though, for these kids.

"Your name is, in many ways, your identity, a big part of who you are," says Elena Rengifo, who runs this city´s Library of the Amazon. "Really, this is people trying to lose their identity. These people aren´t happy with who they are."

This place is pretty poor, and gazing at glittering TV screens from their trash-lined streets, too many third-worlders worship Aryan looks and American culture over their own Latin versions. A name is easier to change than a culture, but Rengifo worries that losing the names of your fathers is the first step toward losing grasp of who you are. You´ll try to identify with the TV characters and celebutantes who share your name, and you won´t be able to.

Change may be on the horizon. The third world is ecstatic about the possibility of a half-black U.S. president, and part of the reason they love the Democratic candidate is his third world name, which to them represents possibility and richness and the kind of exoticism and otherness they think they themselves posses. You shouldn´t expect the globalization of names to slow down, but you should expect to see a new name appear in baby name registers in 2009: Barack Hussein Obama. Of the Bora tribe.

-- Reilly Capps

By Joel Achenbach  |  October 17, 2008; 4:36 PM ET
 
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Wow, isn't it amazing how American culture seems to be everywhere? It's NOT a good thing, either!

Yeah, I'm excited too about the possibility of a half-black US president with an African name.

TBG, not to worry about wedding reception. This will be the whole deal. Wedding's at 6 p.m., reception will go half the night. But the mother of the bride is my friend who doesn't do anything halfway. (If I get Mr. T to stay a quarter of the night, it will be a smashing success.)

Posted by: slyness | October 18, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

This is a really great Kit! Thanks!

Posted by: TBG | October 18, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

A most excellent guest kit!

Posted by: Kim | October 18, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Capps, thank you very much for this clever and insightful article. I have to agree with Elena Rengifo that there is something sad about the loss of local culture. But people are free to name their children what they want.

Of course, the phenomenon you describe happens in the United States as well, especially with new immigrants. True, some try to maintain their cultural roots with traditional names from their homeland. But many also view an English-sounding name as an important part of cultural assimilation. There is a woman I work with who was born in Indonesia and has a gloriously multisyllabic first name. Yet she named her daughter Jennifer.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 18, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

But the "traditional" Spanish names were from the culture who originally conquered the area. So the newest invasion is from TV and movies. Is there really a difference (when it comes to names)?

Posted by: TBG | October 18, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

http://xkcd.com/490/

Posted by: TBG | October 18, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

T.M. Shine is in the Magazine again! Tomorrow's cover story...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/14/AR2008101402461.html

I have to brag... a few years ago on a school field trip with Son of G's 6th grade class, I sat in Alan Greenspan's chair in the Federal Reserve boardroom.

Posted by: TBG | October 18, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Great kit, Mr. C. The first thing that came to mind as I read this was a piece I heard on NPR about naming children, in Liberia I think, after US Presidents. It described the popularity of the George Bush moniker.

This is interesting. Hackers have shut down Al-Qaeda web sites.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/17/AR2008101703367.html?hpid=topnews

Off to Upper State.

Posted by: jack | October 18, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I think the first generation escaping the hardest of the hardscrabble life wants to distance themselves from their roots. Then when some progress is made, the upcoming generations will create a nostalgia, and begin to re-acquaint themselves with the old ways. I think the eating of corn tortillas may be an example.

I hope you can be more clear on what you meant by voting things going on, Cassandra. I emailed some of my local Dem officials asking them to help watch out for any dirty business. They emailed back that they had their eye on it.

Posted by: Jumper | October 18, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Must resist the siren call of a Shine article, must wait until Sunday...so it can be a reward for a Saturday well spent instead of frittered away. I have two grant proposals that must get to penultimate draft form so they can be presented to partnering organizations before going on to the funders.

Bravo TBG on attending the military families event for Obama. I get the impression that the McCain campaign missed the boat on mobilizing his key base in VA. From my recent Newport News visit my very unscientific read of the young sailors of the USS Enterprise is that Obama is leading in a big way with the military under 30s.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 18, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

http://www.news-record.com/content/2008/10/17/article/leonard_pitts_jr_fear_has_profoundly_changed_america_and_not_for_the_bett

Link to Leonard Pitts's latest. Hey, he credits WaPo.

Posted by: Jumper | October 18, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Nice Kit, Mr. Capp!

Posted by: Brag | October 18, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Partial (subtle) re-posting:
This afternoon:

The event is a chat about espionage and my misadventures in that field. I will also sign copies of Kingmaker.

2:00 PM at Borders Books in Downtown Silver Spring. A massive presence of Boodlers and Lurkers would be welcome. :o)

DNA girl--that is gut Komiks--loved the punch line.

BC--you will be missed but you already been to one signing. Thanks!

Posted by: Brag | October 18, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Can't make it today, Brag. Sorry. I have to help elect a new president. Hope you have a good crowd.

If there are any boodlers out there who haven't met Brag, he's a great guy and his stories are fascinating. Stop by the Silver Spring Borders today if you can... you'll be glad you did!

Posted by: TBG | October 18, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

TBG, thanks for that link to Shine's cover story. I actually was poised to post it but thought I should read the article first and then I was falling asleep so went back to bed for a while. That's not so slothful as it sounds; at 7:30 this morning I had already finished my 10.5 mile jog.

Anyway, here's a link to the live discussion on Monday:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/10/15/DI2008101502227.html?sid=ST2008101701936&s_pos=list

...and here's a link to the story that started Shine's career, in case you missed it when I linked to it previously; it's truly a classic:

http://tropicfan.com/Confessions%20of%20a%20Company%20Man%20by%20TM%20Shine.htm

Posted by: kbertocci | October 18, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link Jumper. So sad and so true.

Boodlers, are you up for starting a campaign to aid seniors? Could we start one of those unkillable e-mail chains but direct them to snopes and politifact instead of whatever rot they are currently getting? Mr. F was up way into the night as Pa Frost-in-law, in California, tried to explain how he "knew" Obama is against the national anthem for being too bellicose and militaristic because "he said so himself on Meet the Press last year." I certainly hope the speculation that Colin Powell is going to endorse Obama tomorrow on MTP is correct-it would be good for Obama and Mr. F. 't would probably stop Pa's late night calls.

Just kidding about the e-mail chain.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 18, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Because of complicated custody issues, my wife has a sister that did not emigrate to the United States from Vietnam until her early 30s. In her English class at the local community college she met a geniune came-over-on-a-raft Marielito from Cuba. His name starts with a J, but pronounces it the same as my fathers name which starts as a G.

Despite (or because of) the language difference the fell in love and got married. They named their daughter...wait for it...Jennifer.

I asked why. He said it sounded like a good American name. What better reason do you need.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Reilly, thanks for this contribution--it's great. If you're around to take questions, I have some: what are some examples of traditional (pre-Spanish) Bora names? Do the Bora still use their indigenous language? (and if so) Does it have a written form? Are you conducting your interviews in Spanish? Are the American names given Spanish pronunciations? This is all somewhat disorienting and hard to picture. Thanks again for opening a window on a part of the world that had been entirely unknown to me.

Posted by: kbertocci | October 18, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

SCC: In the second paragraph change the second "the" to "my Vietnamese sister-in-law and this Cuban electrician"

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all. Beginning in the last few decades here, the traditional names have taken something of a twist. Our relatively large African-American community began to use African or African-sounding names, but they also began using more traditional names but changing the spelling drastically. I know this is true elsewhere (witness, college and professional sports). I think it is interesting and good. Also, many Native American parents long ago switched to traditional first names, but they may have kept their traditional last name, and some tribe members now have both a regular name and an Indian name.

The names which puzzle me are the traditional folks who don't want the same old baby names so look for something "interesting". The Boy has a friend named Kale. I call him Vegetable Boy, but haven't asked his parents why they named their son after a leafy green.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 18, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Morning all

A nice Kit
A bit nippy in the mountains this morning.We are under a freeze watch this weekend,so I may have to pick the last of the green beans today.Yoki,if I have enough to can,I will give you some the next time you are down this way.

As for names,my Mom thought I was going to be a girl,so my name was supposed to be Mary,but when I turned out to be a boy all they could come up with was "greenwithenvy"

Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 18, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

My apologies to Reilly Capps for not complimenting him on the fine and thought-provoking Kit, and to kbertocci for her questions.

Speaking of leafy greens, it is time to head for market.

Brag, I'd be at your book event were I within a thousand miles or so. I recommend Kingmaker to the Boodle.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 18, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Wonderful guest Kit!!

Ivansmom, I think his parents simply forgot the hyphen and the 'l'... ;-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 18, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I hate to go off-kit so soon, but I ran across this anti-Proposition 8 video and it made my cry. Twice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q2R7O-0WRo

It had been posted to the Facebook page of one of my wife's friends from her conservative Baptist college.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I see my attempt at a name joke doesn't present so well...

I think Kale's parents forgot to put a hyphen after "kal" and add another (lower case l) at the end...

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 18, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

gwe... that is a great name story. Knowing your real name makes it even funnier. (Sorry to those who don't know.. you'll just have to make sure to come to the next BPH).

Wow... The Boy has a friend named Kale. He sounds like he could be an honorary Boodler, considering our associations with the leafy vegetable.

I gave my kids traditional Greek names. Son of G's is very American--more American than Daughter's name. Hers is uncommon here in the USA but may be the most common in the Old Country. Of course it's common in my family.. my younger sister, several aunts, a great-grandmother, etc. Since my sister lives on my street, the kids in the neighborhood think its a pretty common name after all, I guess.

Posted by: TBG | October 18, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I think the email chain is a great idea. I'll post what I come up with.

Posted by: Jumper | October 18, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

These mash-up names are now very common:

Colm DeAntonelli
Meghan Grisecki

I am now encountering names like this on my student rosters:

Kevin Srinivasan
Kaitlyn Yuan
Devi O'Reilly-Patel

Back in the day, the Italian families I knew worked from these lists:

Angela, Maria, Antonia,
Nick, Joey, Vinny,

Mike and Tom and John were all-commer names.

So, too,

Mary, Linda, Deborah, Cathy, Susan, Karen, Sharon (Sherry, Cheryl)

Posted by: College Parkian | October 18, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

We always had a Greek name and an American name; it was just one of those things that was understood.

Any Greek Jim you know is probably really a Dimitri; Bill is Basil; Gus is Costa. You get the picture.

Posted by: TBG | October 18, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

kb-great questions! (and 10.5 mile jog, perhaps it's the increased oxygen flow that makes your thinking so sharp)

Like the parents in Ivansmom's area we have many who are turning to names from their traditional language-we have lots of eagles, and moons in our under 12 population. Popular too are the English names of grandparents, and great grandparents so there are more than your average number of Georges, Lymans, and Margarets. We have pretty much escaped inventive spellings, with the notable exception of Chloe (pronounced Shiloh) whose mother was an avid reader but had never heard the name said aloud.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 18, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

In middle school I knew a brother and sister from Thailand that had been adopted by an Air Force officer and his wife. The kids had their original very long Thai first names and their dad's equally long Eastern European last name. Their names were the most long-winded incongruous combination I had ever heard.

Out of curiosity I googled the brother's name and it seems he is now a very prominent orthopedic surgeon in Texas. I mean, how many people can there be with a Thai-Romanian name.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

And let us not forget the Chilean national hero, Bernardo O'Higgins.

Posted by: Yoki | October 18, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

A fine kit, well worth the cleft stick expenditure.

Frosti and Wilbrod might enjoy this link.
Minnesota has it's own Sarah Palin.
Michele Bachmann on unamerican Americans.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/10/our_local_horror.php

Posted by: Boko | October 18, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

John=Hashim for Iraqis.

Among my Finn relies a few Americanized their names, Auntie Enna became Ann, Great Grandfather Pekka became Pete. None in my grandmother's generation chose a single Finnish name for their children. Among the several hundred cousins I've met we have at least a dozen young ones with names like Toivo and Eino.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 18, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

SCC its dammit, its.
See what you people have reduced me to.

Posted by: FormerlyCarefreeBoko | October 18, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

im late for...

but want to tell you all about a really good movie

Ballet Shoes

ill read the KB when I return from...

Posted by: omni | October 18, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

(subject line: "Great website!")

Lots of folks don't know about this website,
www.snopes.com

They deal with lots of types of rumors and help people learn the truth about
such things as computer virus warnings, email scams, who REALLY said a
famous or not-so-famous quote, false things said about political candidates,
and many other kinds of "urban legends."

They are non-partisan, widely quoted, well respected. They have been around
a LONG time, and their reputation is great and very well-established. Help
keep misinformation off the internet and forward this email to everyone you
know!

(Note from Jumper: I think the careful use of exclamation points is suitable for the genre;] I never send these things out. But I just hit about 24 people with this one. I'm sure some of my friends will be indignant, but I'll reply personally - that it's for their parents. )

Posted by: Jumper | October 18, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Frostie, here are some names from the Upper Minnie-soda family:

Tor, Finn, Torgils, Haakon, and Kjetl (sheTEAL, goes that last one)

Ragfrid, Ida-Nikka, Jonna, Marit

Posted by: College Parkian | October 18, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Boko-it gets worse. Bachman has been very vocal about keeping out illegal immigrants because they spread diseases and are all terrorists. This plays well in her district because an illegal immigrant crashed a van into a school bus killing 6 students. I was surprised to see in the Mpls. papers this week that recent polls show the race is narrowing and Tinklenberg is getting an infusion of cash from the dems. The 6th district of MN is a bit of an outlier in its social conservatism, but she has been pandering to the anti "other" sentiment since her last campaign and I've heard grumblings from some that she's crossed the line and needs to show some Christian charity.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 18, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I've been forgetting all morning to post this, and all of a sudden it's more appropriate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.jpg

Posted by: Jumper | October 18, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Jumper. I have cut and pasted your fine rendering of the genre into an e-mail for Mr. F to spread to Pa and beyond. I will add my own "I don't usually forward things like this, but it was too important to risk not getting the information out."

Posted by: frostbitten | October 18, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Brag, your story was most amusing. I shouldn't have let Wilbrodog read it, though, he started running around claiming his rawhide bone was either secret papers or a bug, trying to find places to hide it before he gave up and ate it.

Then he wanted to decipher everybody that came in for proof of illicit associations with his nose, killer drool, and attempted pickpocketing.

I finally had to send him to bed. I now have a new spy code name that I absolutely refuse to repeat, by the way.


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 18, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Brag, would love to come to SS Borders but alas, the momTaxi (Registered Trademark, remit 2.46 US dollars for each utterance to me) will be ferrying some boys, one of them mine, at that moment.

Sigh. Wow 'em.

BTW, I bought the domain name kingmakerduderules as a b-day present for you. Just saying so you don't try to buy and feel foiled.

Don't forget your tinfoil hat for the reading.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 18, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I dunno. If our own vaguely tribal Scots-Irish were to begin giving their kids the names of European soccer stars....

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | October 18, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Thanks to Joel for giving me a guest kit, and thanks to everyone for the comments.


Kbertocci: The pronunciations are just like you might think -- bizarre. They often write the names the way we do and pronounce them the way they do. So Jim is Jeem. Samantha is Samant-a. Christopher is Creestofer. When you meet someone new, it often takes two or three repetitions of what sounds like an exotic name before you realize the guy is named Todd.

Or sometimes they embrace a zest for misspelling: Esyecy. Leicy. Keiti. (Stacy Lacy Katie.)

The Bora still speak Bora at home, and some the older ones still have Bora names, none of which I can remember at the moment. (Talk about unpronounceable.)

Yes, I did all my interviews in my badly conjugated Spanish, asking things like -- Yourselves would like to travel yesterday?

TBG: You´re right, for the Boras, it doesn´t make any more sense to name your kid Nick rather than Miguel -- they´re both names from foreign cultures. For mestizos, though, which is what most Iquitos people are, Spanish names are part of their heritage. The name Patrick isn´t.

Overall, I think it´s a good thing, an amazing thing, and another sign of how dominant U.S. culture became without very many Americans ever setting foot in these places. The Spanish had the sword and smallpox, but the TV conquers for us, and better, and with (possibly) more lasting effects. We don´t need the Spanish inquisition because we have Baywatch.

-- Riles of the Jungle

Posted by: Reilly Capps | October 18, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

A good friend who is a middle school assistant principal sent an email this week about a kid named Le-a.

How would you say it? Leah? Leea?

Not even close.

Ledasha.

Her mother explained: "The dash not be silent!"

Posted by: slyness | October 18, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Riles O' the Jungle. That was a great update. I'm glad you joined us here and hope you stop by often--in the Kit and the Boodle. I can tell from your excellent, and funny, writing that you learned some of your skill from The Boss.

How long have you been traveling? Are you keeping a blog or other record of your travels we can read?

Speaking of spreading American culture, when I was a teenager in the early 70s, I traveled to Greece with a church-sponsored group of fellow Greek American teens. Our first night in Athens, they took us to some sort of "Cultures on Ice" performance where many countries around the world were represented by their cultural costumes. We were curious to see how our own country would be portrayed.

Imagine our dismay when the ice dancers came out dressed as gangsters! Wide lapels, double-breasted suits and violin cases!

Posted by: TBG | October 18, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Riles, and remember, you have an eager audience here in the comment section of the A-blog (aka the kaboodle) for any exotic tales (or pie recipes or whatever) you feel like sharing. Best wishes for your travels.

Posted by: kbertocci | October 18, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Iquitos would be a good place to send some surplus VHS - videotape cameras so they can commence making their own TV.

Posted by: Jumper | October 18, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

When my wife was teaching gifted and talented, the kids tended to come from parents from all over the world. Every fall I used to take her class role and try to guess their gender based on the first name. I usually did just slightly better than chance because there would at least be a few Jennifers and Peters mixed in with the Anhs and Krishnahs.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

One more funny name story before I'm off to the Slanted Door for lunch (we couldn't get dinner reservations):

In college I worked with a young Chinese girl named Chi. She goofy, flirty, and very Americanized in her tastes and attitudes. I later met her older sister who was also a student at Tech. Linda, the sister, was the exact opposite of Chi; studious, somber, and conservatively dressed all the time.

One day I asked Linda why she had an American name but her younger sister had a Chinese name. Linda explained that her real name was Lin, but her family changed it when they moved from Taiwan. And they couldn't think of an English analog to Chi, so Chi it was.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Reilly Capps was here! How cool. Come back soon. Love the Kit.

Posted by: Yoki | October 18, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

yello... after the first year of coordinating the kids' elementary school Odyssey of the Mind program, I had to add "gender" to the registration form. It was confusing that first year trying to form teams and balance out the girls and boys.

Posted by: TBG | October 18, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

"Overall, I think it´s a good thing, an amazing thing, and another sign of how dominant U.S. culture became without very many Americans ever setting foot in these places."

I'm sure they'll thank for the obesity and the missionarires telling them their culture is demonic.
At least they're able to watch "I Love Lucy."

Posted by: Jeem999 | October 18, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Reilly, so you're an ex-Post Toastie. Still writing for the Daily Planet?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 18, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

And, Reilly, in the Columbian Exchange, did the natives not give the Spaniards the great pox?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 18, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I'd say that names have been corrupting cultures for millennia.

A lot of Hebrew, Latin, and Greek names have naturalized themselves all over the world thanks to Christianity and literature (John and its endless siblings, Phillips/felipo/Philippines just to name two)

Some Latin names themselves were from Etruscan, now extinct. We have some names from the Punic (Phoenician), now extinct too. (Ah, Hannibal, Missouri).

The Punic Queen Dido of the Aeneid was actually Queen Elissa (Alissar).

And there are cases where names simply happen to sound somewhat similar despite being from very different languages. The native mispronuncation of foreign names is nothing new-- Guiseppe, Ian, Ivan, Josef...

Still, enjoyed the article. America is such a hodgepodge, it's scary to think of it as a cultural influence. And TBG, the day the gangster zoot suit becomes the American costume... sigh.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 18, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I mean, I always thought the American costume was knee breeches, homemade blouses, stockings, with coonskin caps and buckle shoes. Bonus points if you pilgrimize it.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 18, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh dear. Jeem gets a little vehement when he's drinking that stuff. He knows very well there are wonderful things about American culture. All the tequila, Sarah Palin videos, and the incessant chanting, "We're number one", has made him a little crazy.
Jeem feels that people claiming to be the better than everyone else are immodest at best or full of sh!t at worst, generally.

Posted by: Boko | October 18, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palingenesis

the doctrines which are used to comprise the political ideology of fascism often move to describe it as a "palingenetic ideology", primarily as a result of the notion that fascism itself is the rebirth of a state and/or empire in the image of that which came before it - thus, the ancestral political underpinnings. Specifically academic political theorist Roger Griffin refers to fascism as "palingenetic ultranationalism". The best examples of this can be found with both Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany

Sarah Palin-genesis = rebirth of Bush neofascism.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 18, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Palingenetic ultranationalism, ha! That's reich!

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 18, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

sweet cheeses DNA girl. There's only one bathroom in Chez Frostbitten and I nearly broke my neck getting downstairs in time you made me laugh so hard.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 18, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

DNA girl, you rock. Too funny.

Posted by: Yoki | October 18, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

TBG - good point about the "traditional" being a matter of interpretation.

I think its great the way the Bora change the pronunciation. It's linguistic evolution in action!

Another interesting thing about names is how trends can sometimes be traced back to cultural events. For example, when I was growing up every third Catholic girl was named Caroline after Caroline Kennedy.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 18, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

A perfect day for picking apples; happiness :-)

Apparently also a perfect day for an Obama rally:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/18/obama-rally-draws-100000-in-missouri/

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 18, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-endorse19-2008oct19,0,5198206.story

Posted by: Anonymous | October 18, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow.. that picture of 100,000 people rallying for Obama in St Louis is amazing.

It was a perfect day for a much smaller rally in Fairfax City for Veterans and Military Families for Obama. I'd say it was more represented by vets, but it was a GREAT program.

Speakers included several retired generals and other retired officers, but the two best speakers were Col. (Ret.) Larry Wilkerson and Cpt (Ret) Paul "Bud" Bucha.

Wilkerson served as Chief of Staff to Secy of State Colin Powell. He was a fiery speaker who is pissed at the way Bush & Co have hijacked his Republican party. He has called for Obama to make his first act as President to make a declaration that America does not torture. He spoke about how much he admires Obama and thinks he would make a great leader and commander in chief.

Bucha is a Medal of Honor winner who has taught at West Point and served as president of the Congressional Medal of Honor Society. He was very eloquent, but my favorite part of his speech was when he was talking about how much experience means.

He said if experience is the only thing that matters, David would never have slain Goliath... they would have sent an old man to do it. Alexander would never have conquered the world... an old man would have done it. He went on and on throughout history and the folks at the rally loved it.

Posted by: TBG | October 18, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous: True, I´m a mild-mannered reporter for the Daily Planet, which actually exists despite all laws of common sense and copyright. It´s in Telluride, Colorado. And I don´t know about diseases, who gave what disease to who. And I think it would be impolite to ask.

Jeem999: The Mormons are thicker than the mosquitoes down here, and in Iquitos, there are more Seventh Day Adventist and Mormon churches than Catholic ones. The Mo-Mos never try to convert me, though I wish they would. I´m as open minded as anyone about the possibility of a native american Jesus and onsie underwear, but I draw the line at the part of the Book of Mormon that forbids coffee.

TBG: I´m down here for a month, all over Peru. I like going places an awful lot, if only because I enjoy drinking beer at other latitudes. If you drink too much in your home country, you´re a disgrace. If you do it in a foreign land, you´re colorful. And I´ve started writing blogs at Pondaray.com, but not much.

-- Me Riles. You Jane.

Posted by: Reilly Capps | October 18, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for a great Kit, Reilly.

Thought provoking and funny, yet makes a good point.

I wonder if my great-grandchildren will have Chinese-sounding names?

On another note, I wonder if the Bora tribe realizes that they share a name with a really nice Maserati from the late 1960s and early 70s?

At least it's not the Pacer tribe, I suppose.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 18, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Depends on what you consider to be Chinese-sounding, bc. I once knew a Chinese guy named Benbo.

And certainly anybody named Lee is going to have multicultural confusion.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 18, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Mercedes was a nice Spanish girl's name before a car ruined it.
That same tragedy happened to Edsel, too.

And we'll not even speak of how Ford ruined Mr. T's potential career as a model...

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 18, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

On a very unrelated note, I riffed a bit of fantastic silliness on the VPs recent heart work:

http://www.10thcircle.com/10/?p=252

The Bush Admninistration's effectiveness may be getting smaller, but that may not be a bad thing, even for them...

bc

Posted by: bc | October 18, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Riley;

Do they still hide it up in Telluride?
I mean, it's here to stay...

(If JA didn't warn you already, we're liable to offer the most obscure tangents possible.)

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 18, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

We also can't spell worth a plug farthing, Reilly...

*rolling my eyes*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 18, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Drive by boodling...going to see Lyle Lovett and John Hiatt tonight. It ought to be rockin'.

DNA Girl and Riles made me laugh uproariously as I speed boodle! Riles sounds wonderfully colorful.

I saw the same picture of Obama's rally at St. Louis on Huffpo and came on over here intending to post it and found that DNA Girl beat me to it. We go to St. Louis every other summer to see a few Cards games and the hotel we always stay in is in the upper right of the pic. Warmed the cockles of my heart to see the green that we frolic on all those summers filled with Obama voters! I'm going to have to find out if any of my cousins were there.

Thanks for the rally update, TBG. That gives me a warm fuzzy too!

ttfn.

Posted by: Kim | October 18, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

*snort*

Posted by: Yoki | October 18, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Kim, enjoy that show tonight!

I've seen Hiatt and Lovett seperately and togehter, with Large Bands and acoustically, and they're great.

(gadzooks - I just realized that the first time I saw them both seperately over 20 years ago)

Er, I saw Against Me! and Ted Leo and the Pharmacists at the Black Cat in DC week before last. Good noisy fun, and I didn't break anything in the mosh pit.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 18, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

The Boy was describing some game today and said that one of the character groups was annoying, they sing "all these old-timey songs" and helpfully explained "it's set in the '60s". When I gave him the Look of Quizzical Death he clarified that most of the songs were actually from the '40s and '50s but the game was set in the '60s. Obviously a transparent attempt to make me feel better.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 18, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Bc, cute silly.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 18, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Veering wildly off topic, with no excuse:

My spouse and I often watch movies together, not just videos, either, we attend the cinema, where he is irritated by having to pay the "adult" price for me which is sometimes $4 more than his "senior" price. He thinks I should claim to be a senior but, really, who would believe that :-} (*Reaches for the L'Oreal to touch up the gray*)

Anyway, today we went our separate ways to two different multiplexes; he saw Max Payne and I saw The Women. Our respective attitudes towards each other's choices were, you might say, complementary. Oh, well, vive la difference, I say. I can't recommend The Women but it is perfect in its way. I enjoy watching Meg Ryan, whatever she's doing. Candace Bergen was fabulous, too. Cloris Leachman did well in her role. There are male characters but they don't appear on screen. That's a little gimicky but fun, too. It was what I needed today, so I'll have fond memories. Now I guess I'll have to watch the original version; I'm pretty sure I've never seen it.

Posted by: kbertocci | October 18, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Reilly, Telluride is a nice town! I like the drive up through Mancos and Dolores. Once we went by jeep from there to Ouray. Saw some Basques and a lot of sheep. I find driving over the Million Dollar Highway stressful enough that I'm tempted to circle around to Durango through Telluride next time, but I worry that the Ouray-Telluride drive isn't significantly less terrifying.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 18, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

kb, I had forgotten about the new The Women. My movie buff friend loves the original. I watched it on DVD fairly recently. It's ok, but oh my, so dated (thank goodness), as far as women's roles in society.

Always enjoy name discussions. I have such a common name I longed for an exotic one, but never went so far as to pick a new one. I had a friend who was of Cuban descent - his first name was Ivan, which he pronounced in the American way. I suppose that was due to the Russian influence. During the Elian Gonazales saga, it was interesting to hear all the beautiful Cuban names. And then there is Omar Vizquel from Venezuela, and Nomar Garciaparra. I thought Nomar was a variation of Omar, but I guess it's Ramon spelled backwards.

My son had successive girlfriends named Jessica. After he broke up with the second one, we suggested he steer clear of women with that name.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 18, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Upon the advice of L.A. Lurker, I've opened a new Cafe Press shop to complement my Editors for Obama shop.

English Majors for Obama is open for business!

http://www.cafepress.com/englishmajobama

http://www.cafepress.com/EditorsForObama

Posted by: TBG | October 18, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

TBG, I'm roaring with laughter. You are so great.

Posted by: Yoki | October 18, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Austin City Limits Toonite on PBS
Lyle Lovett performs with friends John Hiatt, Guy Clark and Joe Ely.

Posted by: Boko | October 18, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Evening All
Been a busy day,doing wood,a little sore.Geesh I picked the last of the green beans and got a couple more lb.s

Yoki, I got you covered if you want beans.

Congrats to the Terps,for the 26-0 shutout off Wake.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 18, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

testing testing

Posted by: Boko | October 19, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

404

Posted by: omni | October 19, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Yay! The long Boodle nightmare is over.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 19, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm wondering why no one went back Boodle.

Boko was there.

Posted by: omni | October 19, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

looks like google is down now.

Posted by: omni | October 19, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

maybe a denial of service virus or something.

I'm gonna sign off and reboot

if you can read this it may be too late...

Posted by: omni | October 19, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

testing

Posted by: Anonymous | October 19, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Prolly just a case of inadequate ventilation while doping the wings.

Posted by: Boko | October 19, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Very interesting guest kit.

Hollywood movies do have some influence on names for certain ethnic groups in this region. The influence is not so much in naming their children but rather names they give themselves. There are 4 reasons why people take up an English name for themselves.

1st, it’s difficult to remember 2 first names plus a last name when being introduced.
2nd, you don’t want casual acquaintance or strangers to know you name.
3rd, your church asked you to after your conversion.
4th, it’s hip.

Generally, the names picked are not exotic names or spellings. They are your normal Linda, Mary, Margaret for women. For the men, John, Peter, Andrew etc

Posted by: rainforest | October 19, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

I’m find it amusing that a Bora child is named Darcy just as I find it amusing that the Quechua and Aymara women in Peru and Bolivia wear men’s bowler hats. They have been wearing them since the 1920s when it was introduced to Bolivia by British railway workers. It seems that might not be the real reason how the women started wearing bowler hats. I don’t think it matters. What matters is the women look cute in them.

I was looking for a link with a picture of women wearing bowler hats and found this bits and bobs about Bolivia that I thought was interesting :-

http://www.travelblog.org/South-America/Bolivia/blog-205774.html

Posted by: rainforest | October 19, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Never realized I could spend so much time repainting peeling paint in the skylights and cleaning the honeycomb fiber shades that kept the old skylights from blasting the living room with far too much light. The new tinted skylights may err in the other direction.

Anyhoo, the roof--from hurricane tiedowns to skylights now exceeds code.

And after various setbacks, the living room furniture and rugs are back in place. Ahhhh.

And the self-propagating closet crisis seems to be calming down. It started with using the regular big-box store wire shelving and shelf-holding brackets to create a decent storage spot for framed prints when they aren't on display. That led to refurbishing the closet that no longer had the frames, then another that no longer housed shoes. Domino theory, I tell you.

Then there were the little diode lights from a big blue-and-yellow box store that turned out perfect for the top of a bookcase, the blueish light enhancing the blue paint. Definitely a lighting hack job.

Will the house actually be habitable when impending retirement actually happens? I doubt it. The boxes of ready-to-assemble kitchen cabinets are in the dining area, looking fat and happy. One or two might even be pregnant.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | October 19, 2008 2:36 AM | Report abuse

I suspect there'll be a big election night party in Iquitos and lots of other places. Maybe even my own staunchly Republican town, where the Obama campaign is encouraging early voters to come over to headquarters and get a palm tree pin.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | October 19, 2008 2:50 AM | Report abuse

Is it working?

*rubbing eyes after the late-night game fest* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 19, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all.

Dave, I have a palm tree necklace/pin. I bought it from the Lily Pulitzer shop in Key West about three years ago..... love Florida palm trees.

Thanks goes to Reilly Capps for the Boro history lesson. Orlando, faithful friend who runs a housecleaning service, is from Peru, in fact he is away visiting his Dad, who has diabetes, right now. Orlando has been in this country for at least 20 years. His mother & sister & assorted family members work for him. He has provided a home for them all and they are a wonderful family. I don't know where in Peru they lived, will get out a map and ask him to show me when he returns. He is big on soccer, big on family, big on the hard work ethic.

Although I am late to the boodle on saluting the late Levy Stubbs and the music of the 50s & 60s, I spent a little time late Friday night googling youtubes of the Four Tops, the Righteous Brothers and many other groups which were the staple music of my teenhood and beyond. They were wonderful and my generation took them to heart, took them for granted, took them as our due. Am so sorry to be losing them, but their music lives on.

Posted by: VintageLady | October 19, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

SCC: Bora Tribe.....sorry about that.

Posted by: VintageLady | October 19, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

YAY!

Methinks the Boodle was routed through TBS last night...

NukeSpouse and I had bc over to watch the game, and we dutifully turned to TBS at 8 p.m. to see...

"World's Funniest Bloopers"

I checked the remote, checked the programming guide, even checked the Weather Channel for a rain delay -- and they play in a dome in Tampa!

Clicked between TBS and TBSHD to see "The Steve Harvey Show" supplant Dick Clark. Ran upstairs to check the 'Net and found the mlb.com "extra camera angles" page (really just the main four feeds into the TV director's board, not synced up and no commentary) working, then FINALLY we saw the acknowledgement of "technical difficulties" on a crawl across Steve Harvey's face. Clicked between ESPN (to watch the crawl on the bottom) and TBS for another 10 minutes before they got it fixed. *rolling my eyes*

OMG!!! During the debacle I turned to bc and said "I bet someone unplugged a router," and I just read a piece where TBS blamed a "router failure!" *LOL*

Ah, and it's a delightful 40 degrees with a brilliant blue sky this fine morning! And a freeze warning for tonight!!! If only I could have a bit of New England's fall foliage... *SIGH*

*enjoying-the-goosebumps-and-hoping-to-make-it-through-another-Game-7-in-some-kinda-shape-to-work-Monday Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 19, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Indians on that other continent are also known to ape American culture, and the emulated activities vary with financial class. The "middle" (my personal experience) and "upper" classes, don't seem particularly inclined towards American/English names. But then these classes can ape the cars and bars and fashion wars etc., so names may not be such a big deal.

If Indian parents envision a future for their kids in a "foreign" culture, they simply choose names with fewer syllables--e.g., Suman (flower), Sapna (dream), Karan (warlord in the Mahabharat), Kiran (ray)--or names that cross over easily--e.g. Tara (star), Jay (victory), Maya (illusion).

If stuck with a long name and a desire to assimilate/be hip, people usually shorten or recombine their names--e.g., Venkateswaran to Venkat, Sanchaita to Sanchi, Kalpen to Kal Penn.

No one names their kid Hardik (sincere) anymore.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 19, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

I had been led to believe that the length of an Indian name was inversely proportional to the prestige of their caste, but I may be wrong. An Indian TA that went by Kriahnan V. offered ten extra points on the exam if anybody spelled his last name correctly. I don't think anybody took the prize.

A Syrian I worked with was named Mahood but was known to all as Mike. Exotic names on woman are, well, exotic. On men they are suspicious. I wonder why that is.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 19, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Good morning! The laundry is on, so my Sunday morning can start in earnest.

I finished Wizard of the Crow last night. Even though I thought it kind of flagged at the end (I mean, it *is* almost 800 pages, after all), I do believe that it remains a fabulous book, and I shout out copious recommendations to you all. RD, was it you who got it from the library? I hope you're enjoying it.

In the ongoing saga of the chricket chronicles, I seem to have surprised one of those guys on my way to the bathroom after dinner (mine, not the cricket's (what do they eat, anyway?)). I tried to scoop him up, but in jumping around to avoid capture, he ended up in the bathtub, where he remains (I checked). Now I'm in a quandry -- I really don't want to kill him (cricket's supposedly being good luck and all), and what I'd rather do is get him out of the tub (never mind drying off and applying moisturizer) and outside on the balcony, where he'll likely feel colder than he really wants to feel (which is why he and his relatives find their way inside this time of year), he'll not be able to get off the balcony (presumably) and/or he'll get eaten by a bird. Now the last part, while sad for the cricket, is good for the bird, thereby accommodating the ecological universe (such as it might be at the moment).

So, in a quandry. I'll make up my mind before tomorrow morning's bracing shower.

Enjoy your day.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 19, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Snuke,
I'm not forgiving you for the Glen Frey tune cootie. Somebody slip me an antidote quickly.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 19, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Leave it to Robin G. to point out the obvious...

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 19, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Ooops, forgot the link.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/17/AR2008101700564.html

*lookin' fer more coffee* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 19, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

But you loved the video, yello, admit it... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 19, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Obama gets another newspaper endorsement (Detroit Free Press): http://www.freep.com/article/20081018/OPINION01/310180008

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 19, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' everybody...

It's freezing here in Martooni Land. Well, actually a little *below* freezing (27F), but I'm a tough little gnome. Once I get to working I won't even notice the temps.

At least that's what I tell myself.

I see McCain and his camp are now calling Obama a socialist. As if that's a bad thing. I'm sure his using "socialist" as an insult is winning him many friends among the leaders and citizenry of Europe. Of course, they can't vote for or against him, so what does he care? It's not like we really *need* them as allies when we're fighting two wars and he and his neocon buddies are eyeing up starting a third one in Iran. Or that we might want them to work with us on salvaging the global economy.

McCain's policy toolbox contents: 1 hatchet, 1 sledgehammer, 1 blindfold.

Remember, folks... he knows how to fix everything!

Time to get my butt out to the shop and get working. Enjoy your Sunday, everybody...

Peace out :-)

btw... Scotty... if foliage is what you want, we have lots of it. Bring a rake. ;-)

Posted by: martooni | October 19, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Gut Morninckzz, da Boodle!

Happy Sunday, everyone.

Despite the appearance of a couple of McCain thought police types, the signing went well.

The store was full of people and a crowd of over a thousand gathered outside.

True, true, true! Alas, the crowd was there for the Fall Festival.

Posted by: Brag | October 19, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

More details on Thought Police.
A fellow with a Che Guevara T shirt and Kill Comunists slogan asked what the book was about. When he heard that the premise is: What happens to an intelligence officer who resists political pressure to tailor a report to suit White House political agenda, he treated us to a diatribe against Obama who is a communist who will bring Europeans and Europeanize us and create a Stalinist regime--no, I'm not kidding.

Posted by: Brag | October 19, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I am remembering why I love Colin Powell-What's wrong with being a Muslim in this country? NOTHING!!

Posted by: frostbitten | October 19, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Powell will vote for Obama!!! (not campaigning though, drats)

Posted by: frostbitten | October 19, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

'morning all.
TBG, those t-shirts are priceless. My favourite nerd t-shirt read "Spectroscopist do it with frequency (f) and intensity (I).

On names, way back when I worked with a delightful chemist with the shortest name of all; Yu Yu. Yu is apparently a guy's name in Mandarin but she is a girl. And a wee girl at that, she had the smallest hands I've seen on an adult. I felt like a giant clumsy ape working beside her in the lab.
Even the locals are uffering the American names mania. Primary schools are filled with Britney Tremblays and Kevin Gagnons. On the other hand in my very francophone hometown of Québec city many anglos got assimilated into the mass of francos. But many parent still give English names to their offsprings despite being francos themselves. So one of my childhood friend was Nelson Ross but he couldn't string 3 English words together, at the time anyway. An anglo co-worker was married by a Qusbec city judge named James E. Brown who was completely unable to pronunce his Irish name correctly. Assimilation in reverse.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 19, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

SCC Wow. Need more coffee.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 19, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

good morning boodle! Terrible withdrawal yesterday while WaPo suffered whatever it was suffering.

Ma Frostbitten reports they will be hosting 2 more Obama staffers at the end of the week-same time Kim expects hers. Frostniece #3 (second grader) helped bake cookies and put a vegetable platter together yesterday for the local Obama office. Ma said she could barely contain her excitement when they delivered the goodies.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 19, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Scottynuke, your reverence for all things Sawks was repeated at this house.

When I came home, Mrdr was midst mindless panic flipping through channels to find out who did have the signal, and there were mutterings of gonna miss the game. Still he stayed with the channel, but what he saw as infill TV was nothing like what you saw.

Let's just say, the talent portion of the swimsuit contest was sadly lacking.

Posted by: dr | October 19, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Go Rays!!!!!!!

Posted by: frostbitten | October 19, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Just heard what Colin Powell said - good for him he did not hold anything back.

Good for him.

Posted by: dmd | October 19, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

It was a good game last night, frosti, so we'll have an entertaining Game 7 tonight!

Go Sawx!!! :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 19, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I do love this Kit, very nice work Reilly. How about those Red Sox. “S” went through the same puzzlement last night when the game was MIA. It’s about 45 degrees, cloudy and windy and the neighbor next door is mowing his lawn. Actually he’s picking up leaves with the mower. I think we are past peak foliage wise here. If you’d like Scotty, I’ll send you a bag of colorful leaves, a very large bag.

I was underwhelmed by Palin on SNL last night. I wonder if she declined to do any of the bits that went to Tina and Amy or if that was the plan all along. But Amy Poehler (sp?) did a super job on that rap song. I was afraid she’d go into labor in the middle of it. I also think that Tina Fey does a better Palin than Palin.

Trying to decide if it’s too cold to work in the yard enlarging the garden.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 19, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Sneaks--if it isn't too cold to work in the yard, then it is too hot to work.
(ancient Wamba saying)

Posted by: Brag | October 19, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

s'nuke-true enough. I have to admit a game 7 win is always more exciting than any other. Go Rays!!!!!

Posted by: frostbitten | October 19, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Mornin all
I was quite convinced my post from last night killed the boodle.It is rare for me to have an evening off and nothing planned and no boodle.

Congrats to the sox and forcing a game 7.I took a bet Thursday night about the world series.I was going to take tampa and he was taking the phillies,I may have to change that now.

Time to climb on the roof and sweep the chimney and clean the gutters....well maybe after 1 more cup of coffee.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 19, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

firsttime, this is for you; the care and feeding of crickets. The internet marches on.
http://www.nyworms.com/ccare.htm

This "socialism" nonsense goes on. I just had to email a friend who tried to pull that one. Here's what I said:


"Just tell me if you want a government, or no government. Either one is at
least arguable. If you're a young man with a gun, you can survive in a Mad
Max world with none. However, if you want any government at all, I prefer
one focused on 'socialism.' That is, concern with human beings. What else would I WANT a government for?

Did you see the shoddily built building collapse ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKeENdyIluI

Didn't really follow building code, did they? I guarantee some moron who
sniffed at 'regulations' was involved.

All these anti-tax Joe-the-plumber types won't come out and say they are
against ALL taxes. THEY just don't want to be the ones paying them.

Bush just charged a trillion dollars to the citizenry for his
horribly-conducted operations. Who the HEck is going to pay for it? Is that
list of extremely wealthy HEcks who supported him and his election
theft in '00 and '04 gonna pay? HEck no, they don't want to. Why, to
actually tax them would be 'socialism.' Yeah, right. "


Posted by: Jumper | October 19, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Bravo Colin Powell!

Posted by: VintageLady | October 19, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

DNAGirl. I think observing that certain classes of Indians 'ape' American culture ignores a lot of history. Most of those apes have been educated on the British model, speak good English, and could find their country on a map.

Ape?
DUCK!

Posted by: Boko | October 19, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Brag, the Wamba are wise. "S" has already gone outside, I'm still thinking about it. Saw Powell endorse Obama, he had some well thought out reasons, glad he did it. Wish he'd spoken out earlier about some other issues tho'.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 19, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Powell's endorsement of Obama will throw the McCain camp into further disarray. Powell's timing is perfect.

It looks like a landslide is building up.

Posted by: Brag | October 19, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Kim-hope these observations from your area give you some hope.

Ma Frostbitten was in the checkout at a local supermarket when she heard the bagger telling the checker Obama wanted to tax them and give their money away in welfare. Ma turned to the bagger and asked him "Do you make more than $250,000 a year?" The bagger sputtered, but the checker who had been silent turned to him and said "you need to listen to her, she knows what she's talking about."

(Someone needs to let the Joe Six Packs know that payroll taxes are taxes too. It continually amazes me that people who will never see any of their pay exempt from social security taxes don't even realize there's a ceiling.)

Ma's Boss and family live in VA Beach. Mrs. Boss received a McCain robocall and had the presence of mind to listen all the way through and take down the 800 number mentioned in the call. She then called and tied up the line with a long explanation of how she had been an undecided voter for a very long time and how much she appreciated receiving the recorded phone call because it helped her choose. "Thank you, thank you, I've finally decided. I'll be voting for Sen. Obama." Of course she had chosen Obama long ago, but it was a nice touch.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 19, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Jumper. I'm not exactly a "pet person" -- although I do like cats and dogs, and once asked the parents for a horse when I was younger. When I asked for a dog, she (wisely in our case) suggested that I play with the neighbor's dog. Which I've been doing ever since, of course. Pet cricket? No, I think now. Although I'm not sure I can coax him out of the bathroom without his going into my closet. Perhaps, alas, he'll starve. And there would go any good luck I might have accrued.

I watched Colin Powell on Meet the Press, all the while wondering how Tim Russert would have handled all of this. Tom Brokaw always sounds just a wee bit drunk to me, and I find him hard to listen to.

And that's the truthhhhhhhhhhh.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 19, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

SCC -- "I think *not*"

Dang cricket!

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 19, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

One of the chat rooms I visit is rather political (not that I take part in those conversations), and it's astounding how people take issue with pointing out the gaping holes in the Joe Plumber saga. *shrug*

And those same people said Powell's actions could be explained away by melanin levels. *SIGHHHHHHHHHHH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 19, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

HiHo all.

rainforest - Thanks so much for your comment last night. It really made me think.

Mr. Capps - please do not take our deviation from topic personally. It's the nature of the boodle to do this.

I watched Colin today, which is rare because I usually avoid the Sunday Programs, and was again impressed with his intellectual depth. If only individuals like him were more valued by the Republican party. Because whose opinions are being held up to counter those of the learned and experienced Colin Powell? That's right. Joe the Plumber.

Sigh indeed, ScottyNuke.

But hey, how 'bout them Sawks?

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 19, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

ftb-I found myself anticipating Powell talking to Russert, would have been a far better interview I think. Have you considered just catching the cricket and taking it outdoors? I find they aren't that hard to catch if they've been indoors for a while. Soft living slows 'em down I guess.

Spent the last hour looking at tile onlne for the loft kitchen back splash. Hate when I get stalled out like this. Must be some deep seated psycho reason for not being able to get started on the last major project. Nothing left but painting and sorting through boxes once the tile is done.

What thinks the boodle of glass mosaic tile? Will it feel dated in a year?

Posted by: frostbitten | October 19, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

We're all educated apes, really--some more clumsy or geographically challenged than others, but still...

Chimpanzee and human genomes are 99% identical (99%!!!); the differences pretty much arise from how the genes are used.
http://www.genome.gov/25520501

One family of genes that displays significant divergence is olfactory receptors, possibly because evolution of apes' sense of smell is driven by different selective pressures than that of humans, but more likely because there seems to be less selective pressure in general on olfactory receptors of species that have developed upright posture and better sense of vision to go along with it--i.e., these genes diverge (possibly losing functionality) with little consequence.

But now I'm degenerating into lecture mode.

Fun fact and hypothesis: Humans have relatively few odourant receptor genes (~ 400) compared with other mammals (e.g., mice ~ 1500; they're cheese connoisseurs after all). Perhaps this loss enabled development of cities--i.e., we could better tolerate our stinky neighbours?

FYI, 2004 Nobel Prize in Medicine:
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2004/press.html

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 19, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Disclaimer:
I am not going ape over Riles of the Jungle, despite his frisson inducing "Me Riles You Jane" cry!

The sun's out, the air is crisp, it's time for a walk outside, cya.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 19, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

A Bora child named Darcy is nothing. Now if a cousin or sibling was named Fitzwilliam, THEN we'd be looking at a true Austen conquest.

DNAgirl, I'd tend to agree with Boko that no subcontinential would want to be accused of "aping Americans".

It IS good that someday nobody's going to have to say in English, "Hi, I'm Hardik."

Unfortunately they've probably been saying "Hi, I'm Randy" instead.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 19, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

DNAgirl, I agree with you we're all apes.

The problem is that whenever a comparsion to (other) apes is specifically applied to a group (which is "not us") it hearkens back to outdated evolutionary theories that were supposed to prove X group of human was more evolved than YZ groups. *

Indeed, one "proof" of inferiority was the idea that they were good mimics, but hardly innovative thinkers. *

Which, aside from the egregious idiocy of thinking that any part of a species is "less evolved" than others....

This above definition also doesn't match the Indian-Americans I know. Most of them are an odd mixture of desi and American with anywhere from 1% to 25% crazy by volume.

Op. Cit.
* The Mismeasure of Man, by Stephen Jay Gould.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 19, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

And for one last go at the boodle trough before I set off...

Spider Robinson did an excellent novella "Telempath" on the notion that a strong sense of smell was incompatible with civilization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telempath

In retort, Wilbrodog would like to remind others of this pome:

http://wilbrodog.blogspot.com/2008/05/for-all-my-poodle-amigos-btw-spell.html

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 19, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Frosti, I like mosaic tiles. I also really like subway glass tiles. I love to dream about these things.

I have only installed this tile in a dime-sized bathroom floor.
http://www.mglasstile.com/catalog/item/362069/91508.htm
Very forgiving and, me, without a tile cutter.

I placed a mat of it in an Ikea frame and then sealed the tile with something satinish and hung the frame as a backsplash. Still looks fine.

But, this is the back splash I would install for my authentic 40s kitchen:
metal mosaic
http://www.mglasstile.com/catalog/item/990228/1013988.htm
Authentic as in never been updated save for press-apply floor tiles in the 70s. I SEE green splatter linoleum underneath and wish I could reveal that.

Would really like to make a small bathroom-wet room -- sans toilet -- with this stuff:

http://www.mglasstile.com/catalog/item/395229/1235898.htm

Wow. Fun. My only advice at midlife is to put the colors in that YOU WANT. IGNORE the neutrals only, unless neutral is what you want.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 19, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, rainforest, for the link to Bolivia. I didn't know where the bowler hats came from. I've mentioned here before how much I love Andean music, and the textiles...not to mention alpacas and llamas. Wonderful culture.

I too was searching for the baseball game last night. No wonder I don't know what's going on. I finally found it about the time Tampa tied it up. Hope the Phillies aren't getting too rusty.

I haven't seen Meet the Press yet (I cannot listen to Brokaw either). I watched a little bit of This Week, where Newt Gingrich was whining about the "elite media" savaging poor Joe the Plumber. What, telling the truth is savaging? I think someone needs to tell people Obama did not come up with the tax system we have, he just wants to adjust it.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 19, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Out to watch the game

GO RAVENS!!!!!!

Posted by: purplewithenvy | October 19, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

ftb, take the cricket outside. I'm sure it can cope.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 19, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Crickets are omnivores and scavengers feeding on organic materials, as well as decaying plant material, fungi, and some seedling plants

Posted by: omni | October 19, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

frosti, glass tile sounds good to me. I bet going to a good tile store that had tiny sample rooms set up would settle the matter. Internetted shopping can lead to analysis paralysis for me.

Speaking of which, after weeks of renewed searching went to a store to check out 2 finalists yesterday, we have a winner. No matching steak knives, no phillips or hex-headed knives, but iced-tea spoons you betcha. When you find the right one, inessentials melt away (rme, :-) Back to the internet for a 66% discount from any brick 'n mortar store. Yipes!

For all romantics, one of the greatest love stories of all time is on A&E right now: The Terminator.

Right after Halloween, look for the greatest Christmas story of all time: Die Hard.

Have a great day. I'm looking to start settling out the gardens, spreading that bunny poo around where it can doo magic next planting season. Thanks, RD.

Posted by: dbG | October 19, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

On kit, I used to tutor a little boy whose sister was named Ciara, pronounced Sierra, named for the perfume.

Ivansmom, I'm going to borrow your Look of Quizzical Death this week's meetings.

Posted by: dbG | October 19, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Also, crickets are luck in Asia, especially China

Not so much in the western hemisphere. Chirping in the house in Africa and many South American countries it is a harbinger of illness and or worse.

So call your cricket Li Chi, but not Obama or Miguel

in other news, I can't find a translation English->Spanish for Pretzel.

torcido pan palillo.

barra de pan torcida.

????????????

Where has 'a bea c' been the past few days?

TBG did you get her e-mail at the Mega? I imagine she's just really busy!

Posted by: omni | October 19, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon, all.

Been busy around the house this weekend, what with Halloween decorating, auto repair, general home maint, writing, shopping, laundry, going to watch the Sox over at the Nukes' etc.

Watched Gen. Powell on 'Meet the Press' earlier, and will be watching NFL football here and there (how 'bout them Terps yesterday?) until Washington plays at 4 EST.

Trying to catch up on the Shanghai GP from this morning, too. [Shhh, shriek, please don't tell me how it ends].

Powell has always stuck me as a man of integrity, and not just because he restores old Volvos as a hobby; his resignation after Bush's first term said a lot to me. I've always thought he'd make a good President, apart from partisan party politics (which is why I wouldn't be surprised to see the GOP really push to get him on the ticket in '12 or '16).

Have a good day, all.

Brag, I'm sorry I missed your signing yesterday. Sounds like I missed an interesting afternoon.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 19, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I second the glass tiles so long as you post a picture

Lali Torres is a good tune cootie buster yello (if you don't hear Spanish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60YGkTiIUFw

Posted by: omni | October 19, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey everybody, just catching up. Beautiful fall day in the Carolinas, now it's time for long sleeves. I'll have to put the shorts and t-shirts up now.

Glad to see that Powell endorsed Obama. I hope it will have a positive impact. I'm still sooo ready for this to be over.

I think I'll go vote Tuesday.

Posted by: slyness | October 19, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

cp-we have amazingly similar tastes. Your first link sent me to a tile that I love and Mr. F rejected for the bathroom as too old fashioned, and too much like our Nova house. The second I had seen in my search this morning, and rejected as too dark for this room-but oh, how it made me swoon. The last is dead on, for color and texture and made the short list.

dbG-you are right about Internet induced selection problems. We bought our bathroom tile from the store right across the street from the loft and they are always getting in new items. Perhaps they'll have just the right thing when I get down to St. Paul in a couple weeks.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 19, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

dbG, have you seen Rocky?

OK, I know you were being ironic. But so few people get it about Rocky

Posted by: omni | October 19, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

If im not mistaked, the Lali YT vid I linked to is

I would (try to find and) post Lyrics but they'd be in Spanish, and twould take all day to translate with any justice (yeah right. But I'm pretty sure it is about her love of Christ and how He lives in her heart.

Vives en Mi

Posted by: omni | October 19, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Here I am, up at the crack of noon.

Everybody sounds in fine fettle today, as I am myself. I'm really pleased by the Powell endorsement; he seems to be last Republican with who is widely held in esteem. I wonder what it will mean for undecideds in redder states?

Still feeling pretty good. This is exhausting. I'll have to find my usual gloomy and pessimistic self pretty soon. I think Monday morning's rapid approach will help.

Have a great afternoon, sports fans.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

That's great, dbG! New flatware, yay!

I'll send you some iced-tea so you can use your spoons.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, everyone knows how wonderful your iced-tea is! Thank you.

omni, I'm not sure I was being ironic. "Come with me if you want to live." Wow. :-)

It's hard to escape Rocky living here, but I'll check it out again.

Posted by: dbG | October 19, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

walking home after grocery shopping (beer of course) I stopped to say Hi to 'my flower guy. Wasn't shopping for flowers, just wanted to say Hi. we talked a bit. I asked if I could get a single. He let me pick one from an assorted bunch. I asked how much. He said a hundred bucks. I said when I win the lottery I'll pay you. He said when I win the lottery I can buy him a house. I said and one for me too. And a new van for you (his van broke down and I didn't see him for three weeks). Then he pulls out a pink rose. He thinks I have a thing going with my brunch gal.

She loved the flowers. Promptly put them in my Vase.

In other news, I have two job offers. One as a busboy of all thinks

which is me to say I may be looking as my job maybe on the block

So SciTim, I didn't get the bike looked at, but it is still a gift for you to give your Mom.

Posted by: omni | October 19, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

dbG. His eyes puffed and closed at the end of his fight and he cries out for Adrian...

earlier

He fumbly asks her on a date

He is so much more sweet with her than any other time

The will to be the Champ is one thing

The Spirit of love is another

Tears well up every time I see the two of them together.

Too many people think of it as a movie about an underdog boxer...but to me it is all about romance.

But hey, I'm just a sappy romantic.

But yeah, going back in time to meet the mother of your hero...A real close second

Posted by: omni | October 19, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

And for a really good Christmas movie (made for TV) "The Best Christmas Pageant Ever"

If any one here on the Boodle hasn't seen this I highly recommend

It's billed as Family fare I think, but will go over most non precocious heads. Teens and tweeners will probably be bored. but for my worth the end is all

I could tell you all, but why spoil it. see it if you can

Posted by: omni | October 19, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Michelle Bachman, MN 6th Dist., really stepped in it with her Obama is anti-American rant. The Minneapolis paper reports her dem challenger raised $450,000 in 24 hours and a respected rep has jumped into the race as a write-in candidate. Very interesting. In the '06 race the Independence party endorsed a candidate who drew 8% of the vote and it came in as Bachman 50% Patty Wetterling 42%. This year the IP endorsed Bachman's challenger instead of slating their own candidate.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 19, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

The Best Christmas Pageant Ever is one of the best books ever written for young people. The movie is good too but nowhere near as funny.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 19, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Great article in today’s Globe Magazine by Charlie Pierce, one of my favorite writers. Here are a few sentences and a link if you’d like to read the whole thing.

“He did not plunge into the market. The high-tech boom passed him by, as did the Greed Is Good '80s and the go-go Internet '90s. But, gradually, little by little, what he thought of as My Money became Their Money, and now that they'd toyed with it and manipulated it and bled it white, they were telling him it was his again, and that he should give what he again thought of as My Money back to them as Our Money. He felt like he was being robbed at gunpoint by a gang of armed pronouns. Suddenly, he thought, now that the erstwhile masters of the universe are staring into a Porscheless abyss, we are all in this together again.”

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/articles/2008/10/19/torn_up/

Didn’t stay outside too long, way too windy to do much more than clean up the garden. Time for a nap. By the way Frosti, I just love Ma Frostbitten!

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 19, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Boodle, can one of you post the link to Scotty's MBPH pictures? I need to remind myself of something. Many thanks.

The sun is out now, in a sort of feeble winter-light sort of way. Lucky dogs may get two walks today.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

sneaks-I love Ma Frostbitten's theory about why women her age are not flocking to McCain. "We have husband's his age and we know the old coots aren't too sharp any more."

Posted by: frostbitten | October 19, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Yoki
http://www.monkeyview.net/id/2480/mbph/

Posted by: nellie | October 19, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Thanks nellie!

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I was considering knitting a little fleece turtleneck (cricketneck?) for the little guy out of odds and ends of leftover yarn, before capturing him and taking him outside, but when I looked in the tub last, he was gone! Maybe he went down the drain on his own ("The Great Escape" was on WETA last night and today, after all). I don't hear him, either, and I suspect that if he were still around I would be listening to a great amount of indignant cricket-noises ("hands on hips" and all that).

I didn't know that crickets had a bad connotation in Africa. I'll have to check that out with my friends over there.

Did a buncha errands today -- Rockville Pike isn't quite so bad on a late morning Sunday -- forget it on Saturdays. Just did my "book work" as my mother called it (balance checkbook, enter stuff into ledger, write checks (*sigh*), etc.).

Laundry's done, plants watered, and basically I'm done for today. Just gonna chill. And may you do the same. May the Redskins win, and may the Lions continue to build on their heretofore perfect season. It's why we love 'em. Or not. . ..

Toodles boodle.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 19, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

It's so nice the dogs went on 2 walks already. At least one more to come.

bc, I won't be a spoiler but I will state that your guy did better than mine (Kubica). I was secretly hoping that Robert would sneak pass Felipe and Lewis but it won't happen. Sigh.

My Bills are doing very well thank you. The Chargers can't keep the ball long enough to score anymore. 23-14 final.

Witch no. 1 claims that the pork loin braising on its bed of leeks distracts her from her work (600 words modern fairytale in Spanish). I say feh, that is the smell of Autumn.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 19, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

frostbitten,
The Ikeafans website has an entire forum for backsplashes. I had no idea they were such a big deal. In fact, until lately, I didn't know there was such a thing.

Some glass tile is exquisite and presumably attractive when properly lighted.

My intro to glass tile was (of all places) Eltham Palace in London, where back in the 1920s a wealthy couple built a mansion attached to an Elizabethan Great Hall. The house is a strange mishmash of vaguely stockbroker chateau on the outside and art deco on the inside (the main room is a popular movie locale). One lavish bathroom had pale blue glass tile, on which the sun was shining. Fabulous.

And for what it's worth, English Heritage used to see the house as an embarrassment. Now it's quite popular.

While I was checking the Detroit News for GM-Chrysler merger talks, I noticed that their movie critic worries about the lack of holiday movies this year. The Bond movie, released before Thanksgiving, is evidently anything but jolly. No chipmunks, no Bad Santas, not much of anything seasonal.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | October 19, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

That would distract me, shrieking denizen. It sounds delicious.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Being on the winning side of a sunday game is much better then losing.Way to go Ravens 27-13. How about Dallas getting thumped by the Rams. Perhaps last week win against the Skins wasn't a fluke.

I am happy we won,but I was happy before that too.

What a spectacular day here,cool but beautiful. I went to a neighbors to watch the game and as I was pulling up their driveway I caught a glimpse of a nice big owl flying away.Last evening I watched a flock of geese,well 7 or so,fly upriver and land in the river just below where I was checking out the sunset....nice.

Posted by: purplewithenvy | October 19, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

It's a favourite family recipe Yoki. This one is a bit bittersweet though because, first, I stupidly sprayed the rosemary plant with toxic chemicals with the view to get it inside later today (red spiders were rampant) before I thought of cutting some twigs for the pork and second Mrs Denizen left for the Big Smoke just as I was slipping the cocotte in the oven so she is not likely to have any of her favourite pork recipe. A little miscommunication, fairly common now because she travels a lot. Oh well.
She made 12 emergency pumpkin muffins, 4 of which are currently landing in TO, from the pumpkin I steamed last night for the big couscous. I'm not getting one more of those sawdust muffins from the hotel she said. It was interesting to watch this synchronized baking&packing event.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 19, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

frosti... Ma Frostbitten's theory is why my parents wondered why anyone their age would vote for Bob Dole.

Posted by: TBG | October 19, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Bob Dole is now 85, much older than McCain and frankly sounds much sharper from what I last saw of his writing.

bc, Colin Powell is 71. I know he looks good, melanin is amazing for the skin, but still, time does not improve the odds he will run for President if he hasn't already.

He had his chance in 2000, really. He'd probably have sewn up the nomination or gotten a solid veep slot.

I've discussed the issue of a maximum age slot. We all do know that some people are able and ready to work until they're 90 and some are washed up before 60... but it doesn't seem reasonable to force pilots to be grounded at 65 while having no upper age limit for their commander-in-chief.

I'd say 75, that's staggeringly generous compared to other retirement ages. It does mean that Reagan would have had to retire midway through his second term.

Which, given that he formally announced he had Alzheimer's six years after he left the White House and might have had the earliest signs when he was already President, wouldn't have been that bad; he'd have left just as the Iran-contra Scandal broke.

Since Bush I went to war against Hussein's invasion of Kuwait, we can hope that he actually disagreed with the iran-contra scandal issue all along and would not have supplied arms to Hussein, allowing the first Gulf War to occur, and worse, this current nightmare in Iraq.

It's worth a thought.


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 19, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Hah! I was channeling Spider Robinson subconsciously, having retained no conscious memory of his story. Thanks a bunch for that reminder, Wilbrod! And thanks also to 'Dog for the peem.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 19, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

There's a nasty video circulating the internet questioning Obama's birth. I won't post the link as it deserves oblivion. The right wing crazies are obviously desperate.

Posted by: Brag | October 19, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

It's not even as though Obama claimed he had an immaculate birth, Brag. That's for his followers to claim.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 19, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

In unrelated news -- Robert Dallek's WaPo editorial calls for full disclosure of presidential candidates' lifetime medical records in order that the public be fully informed:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/17/AR2008101702058.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

What do you think? I feel there must be something sinister in the similarity between this fellow's name and the greatest of all the Doctor's enemies throughout time and space.

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 19, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Brag-that video is one of the reasons I asked for boodle help in composing an e-mail to direct Pa Frost-in-law and other easily hoaxed seniors towards Snopes.

Thanks again Jumper for your fine effort. Now we're trying to figure out how to explain to Pa what bookmarks are so he doesn't have to type the Snopes url every time he gets one of those right wing nut job e-mails.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 19, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

For dog lovers, a link to Jim Hoagland's column today:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/17/AR2008101702522.html

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 19, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Warning on the Hoagland column-very good, but you will cry.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 19, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Undiagnosed ailments have greater health impact than diagnosed ailments, ScienceTim. I would be loath to say that full medical disclosure is in fact necessary at all.

Then the question arises, what medical disclosures should be made? Clearly, anything impinging on mental fitness.

Now, FDR's condition did not. I also doubt the arteriosclerosis was pre-existing, although inactivity due to polio does predispose to quicker development of cardiovascular problems.

Mental decline and depression due to cardiovascular problems, from what I've seen, tends to increase in a year or less before a cardiac incident, not 3-4 years before, let alone 10.

Yes, I do think there needs to be more pressure and more of an "out" for presidents to actually retire due to illness or age catching up faster than expected.

I think Lincoln's depression was no secret. It was never "diagnosed" though, nor was the condition that took his father. It seems possible, due to this being found in present Lincoln relatives, that his father had spinocerebellar ataxia-- causing him to go from a powerful man to somebody who was so unsteady he was mistook for a drunk. And that Lincoln either was developing it, or that he lived under the fear that he would.

Does this make a difference to his ability to serve? Indeed, I'd say that a man accustomed to dealing with depression daily was probably the only type of man who could have thought straight and so fairly over the entire Civil War and in planning Reconstruction (which his vice president, an uneducated tailor, carried out).

As for Addison's disease-- it is indeed a very devasting disease that needs to be monitored carefully for optimum performance and wellness on a daily schedule... like diabetes, actually; death can ensue very quickly if shots are not given regularly and in sufficent dosages.

OTH, Bush I developed Grave's disease during the Gulf War planning, and that was treated, and no secret made of it. Disclosure is much more those days than has occured in the past.

Still, questions were not raised about his fitness to serve as a consequence, even though Graves' disease can mimic bipolar mania during an acute attack, and has strong implications for Bush I's ability to make good judgments.

There was no offical plan given to make sure he was relieved of duty should his condition get out of control-- even a "sick day" policy.

Full disclosure is not the answer. Fuller acceptance that presidents may be impaired now and then during their term in office (we all have sick days, funerals, etc.) and better planning would be best.



Posted by: Wilbrod | October 19, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow... you've got to watch Colin Powell's endorsement today.

He not only endorses Obama and criticizes McCain' for choosing Palin and the McCain campaign for its negative attacks, but I'm incredibly proud of him for pointing this out--something many people have been afraid to say, I think...

"I'm also troubled by – not what Senator McCain says – but what members of the Party say, and it is permitted to be said: such things as, 'Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim.' Well, the correct answer is he is not a Muslim. He's a Christian; has always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, 'What if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country?' The answer's 'No, that's not America.' Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim American kid believing that he or she could be President? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own Party drop the suggestion he's Muslim and he might be associated with terrorists. This is not the way we should be doing it in America."

video here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_NMZv6Vfh8

The transcript is here...

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Transcript-of-Colin-Powell-by-GeoBear-081019-915.html

Posted by: TBG | October 19, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Gen. Powell's comment about being Muslim in America was much-needed.

Obama and Sen. Clinton will be in Tampa, then Orlando tomorrow. I may try the Orlando event.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | October 19, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

My Goodness! What a way to start Game 7! I hope it's a harbinger of good things to come for the Red Sox.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 19, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow. And thanks TBG. Speaking truth to power (even if that power is on the way out). Wow.

And, DaveotC, yes.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

TBG, I did not see Powell make his announcement on Meet the Press, but saw his answers to the press afterwards? His response to the Muslim question among others was what impressed me.

Posted by: dmd | October 19, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Powell may have redeemed himself to me. He once had a chance to be a True American Hero and blew it back then. Maybe today he stepped up.

We'll see.

Posted by: TBG | October 19, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Powell gave the right answer

Salaam aleikum, Boodle

Posted by: Brag | October 19, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Salaam aleikum, dear Brag. And peace be with you all.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Aleikum salaam, Yoki

Posted by: Brag | October 19, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for that tbg,Mr Powell makes some great points.

Hey Yoki,we had our first freeze here last night and are under another freeze warning tonight,but i bet it is awfully cold up north there.

I never did pick my tomtoes,I ended up just covering them with some sheets.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 19, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

An interesting little bit. In the 19th century a good chunk of the Russian Imperial Army served in Central Asia Muslim areas.

By the 20th century, the customary song to open festivities in the officers' mess throughout the Army was Allah Verdy (God is right).

I imagine that the new Russian Army officers' corps will have adopted this tradition.

Posted by: Brag | October 19, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

In reference to medical records, I think our expectations of presidents have changed over the years, as our medical knowledge has grown. I hope there are procedures in place to evaluate the health of elected officials and determine when it's appropriate to have them step down. I suppose the last time it was an issue was when Reagan was assassinated. Who remembers how long he was out? It was several weeks, IIRC, but that was, what, 1981?

Posted by: slyness | October 19, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Slyness, I don't think we have a "medically unfit to be president" category. It's not in the constitution, yadda yadda.

A doctor can try and persuade a president to step down, but he can't remove him from duty (this is civilian life, not the military).


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 19, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Slyness-- If Reagan was assasinated, we have no problem with zombie presidents.

Sorry, could not resist.

Posted by: Brag | October 19, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

i is in control

Posted by: haig | October 19, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see that gwe has stopped being purple; a sort of horrid bruise-like colour, to my mind. I prefer him green.

Fern Hill

Now as I was young and easy under the apple boughs
About the lilting house and happy as the grass was green,
The night above the dingle starry,
Time let me hail and climb
Golden in the heydays of his eyes;
And honoured among wagons I was prince of the apple towns
And once below a time I lordly had the trees and rivers and leaves
Trail with daisies and barley
Down the rivers of the windfall light.

And as I was green and carefree, famous among the barns
About the happy yard and singing as the farm was home,
In the sun that is young once only,
Time let me play and be
Golden in the mercy of his means,
And green and golden I was huntsman and herdsman, the calves
Sang to my horn, the foxes on the hills barked clear and cold,
And the sabbath rang slowly
In the pebbles of the holy streams...

Dylan Thomas

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Zombies are my favorite!

And it's Bush v/s Zombies time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoXgRtDysLY&eurl=http://www.webtvhub.com/hilarious-george-bush-video-american-president-warns-of-zombie-threat/

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 19, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

DNa --you should have given a fasten your searbelts warning before watching the zombie thing--I fell off my chair laughing.

Posted by: Brag | October 19, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I hate clowns!

Posted by: Karl | October 19, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, I love that poem, Very much so, thank you.

This Robert Frost poem, uncharacteristically short, is such an October gem:

Nothing Gold Can Stay

Nature's first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf's a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.

-- Robert Frost

Posted by: College Parkian | October 19, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

But how do you feel about zombies?

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

The Winter Palace Phillip Larkin

Most people know more as they get older:
I give all that the cold shoulder.

I spent my second quarter-century
Losing what had learnt at university

And refusing to take in what had happened since.
Now I know none of the names in the public prints,

And am starting to give offence by forgetting faces
And swearing I’ve never been in certain places.

It will be worth it, if in the end I manage
To blank out whatever it is that is doing the damage.

Then there will be nothing I know.
My mind will fold into itself, like fields, like snow.

Posted by: Jumper | October 19, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Dear CP, thank you. I love that poem, very much. Thank you. Also The Death of the Hired Man.

Mary sat musing on the lamp-flame at the table
Waiting for Warren...

Home is the place, where, when you have to go there,
They have to take you in.
Something you somehow haven't to deserve.

...It hit the moon.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

And Jumper, don't forget Larkin's epigraphs:

They **** you up, your Mum and Dad,
They don't mean to, but they do.

Sexual intercourse started in 1963,
Which was rather late for me.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

TBG, Mudge, are you out there? Am I right in saying that Reagan was assassinated? Isn't assassination the crime of trying to kill a public figure for political reasons, apart from whether or not the person dies?

Posted by: slyness | October 19, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

One of the delights of moving north is learning that indeed, some pines are not evergreen-- namely the tamarack. We just drove past long forests of pure gold christmas trees mixed with evergeen varieties.

(Eat your heart out, Charlie Brown.)

And I've not mentioned the golden birch, the flaming shrubbery, nor those darkest purple-red leaved trees, that always look like maple Goths; they're as near to black-leaved as I've ever seen on a live tree. (Hi, Mo!)


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 19, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Also known as the larch, though not the European Larch (laden or unladen).

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

LARKIN!, This is Larkin, too.
Continuing to Live

Continuing to live -- that is, repeat
A habit formed to get necessaries --
Is nearly always losing, or going without.
It varies.

This loss of interest, hair, and enterprise --
Ah, if the game were poker, yes,
You might discard them, draw a full house!
But it's chess.

And once you have walked the length of your mind, what
You command is clear as a lading-list.
Anything else must not, for you, be thought
To exist.

And what's the profit? Only that, in time,
We half-identify the blind impress
All our behavings bear, may trace it home.
But to confess,

On that green evening when our death begins,
Just what it was, is hardly satisfying,
Since it applied only to one man once,
And that one dying.

Philip Larkin

Posted by: College Parkian | October 19, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I believe it's normally referred to as the "attempted assassination of Reagan," slyness. You know, like attempted murder.


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 19, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, once again, CP. I didn't know this one. Simply true. Poetry really *is* the most efficient way to say anything, isn't it?

I'm overcome.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Larix larcina, the Tamarack Larch or the American larch.

Sorry, Yoki, I had to look larches up to be sure you were referring to tamaracks, not gothic trees.

Larch wood is good to launch as part of yachts, by the way.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 19, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, yes on the home definition poem. YES. Among the truest thing written, ever. I like best in Frost the scenes and the dialog TRUE!. They are very prose-y poems.

Larch, Tamarisk, I miss those trees and the real birches. Our river birches pale, compared to the one you and Wilbrod, and SofC, Dr, DMD, Sd know: Of birches, Frost said this

Birches

WHEN I see birches bend to left and right
Across the line of straighter darker trees,
I like to think some boy's been swinging them.
But swinging doesn't bend them down to stay.
Ice-storms do that. Often you must have seen them 5
Loaded with ice a sunny winter morning
After a rain. They click upon themselves
As the breeze rises, and turn many-colored
As the stir cracks and crazes their enamel.

Entire poem here:
http://www.bartleby.com/104/66.html

Posted by: College Parkian | October 19, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Depression, illness, zombies
Falling leaves, tender memories of childhood past
Golden evergreens appear to die, senescence
Loss of memory
Ending with one's dying day.

Ummm ...

It's just a severe economic dislocation. And an important election. Not TEOTWAWKI.

Just kidding - like the poems, thanks to all.

Posted by: Wheezy | October 19, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Is there any attempted hashishination of a president on record?

Posted by: Jumper | October 19, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Life would be dull without zombies. We need zombies to preserve our freedom. We need zombie stimulation of our brain while they eat it. We need zombies to bring Palin out and create a zombie revival. Zombies are good for you. Adopt a zombie, vote McSumptin.

This is sponsored and aproved by McZombie, Burger Zombie, Zombie Hilton, WienerZombie, ZombieRus, Motel Zombie, Ritz Carlton Zombie, and Melvin Koznowsky.

Posted by: Brag | October 19, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Ah!

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Jumper. Know you this abrupt and ironic Larkin bullet?

Days
What are days for?
Days are where we live.
They come, they wake us
Time and time over.
They are to be happy in:
Where can we live but days?

Ah, solving that question
Brings the priest and the doctor
In their long coats
Running over the fields.

-- Philip Larkin

Posted by: College Parkian | October 19, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, I'm not sure about hashishination. Haberdashery, though, definitely.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Yoki, the economy of poems to say the truth or even those compelling truths that resist being spoken directly. Robert Frost spoke on the occasion of JFK's inauguration. We need poets in the cabinet, too.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 19, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I know and love all those poems except the Larkin's. He's amazing.

For the four of us, only one on line apparently, the game is 2 to 1 Tampa, and it's the top of the 7th.

Worrying here.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 19, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Lech Walesa

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

There's a Larkin biography, isn't there? Anyone know the title and/or author?

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 19, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Ha, Wheezy! Yes, we must have peppy verses next.

College Parkian, we have birches tall, slim, and straight in profusion here, but none have captured my heart. Now, the large birch I grew up next to in Virginia was a birch I could climb and daydream in. Long after it had died, a few branches were sawed off, but it was not chopped down, so it stood as a large sculpture of sorts, serving as home to many birds until it finally came down.

So I must disagree that the river birches of the DC area pale in comparsion. Indeed, they stand out even more down south and acquire personalities and nodding acquaintances with the entire neighborhoods.

Here, all those birches are wild and elusive. It's a different feeling.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 19, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Wheezy! So glad to see you here.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

commie

Posted by: xram | October 19, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

SCC: "With the entire neighborhoods?"

I'm suffering Hercule Poirot syndrome. Please pardon as I wrestle the little grey cells back from the ravenous zombies, yes?

Merci beaucoup.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 19, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

de rien

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I love tamaracks. I attempted to bonsai one that I brought back from a camping trip, but it didn't survive more than a couple years. May have to try one in a container. They're not native this side of the Cascades, I don't believe.

We have some beautiful autumn colors this year, maybe because it's colder than normal already. My blueberry bushes and a Japanese maple are bright, flame red. The red twig dogwood leaves are starting to turn red and gold.

I tagged along to the hardware store/garden center to get bulbs today. Picked up some crocuses - mostly the tiny species varieties, including the snow crocus Prins Hans, but also a reddish colored one called Flower Record (although online it seems to be purple or blue), some ranunculus and some daffodils - one kind called Sailboat:
http://www.colorblends.com/Daffodil/Sailboat/

Planted them too - rains are coming.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 19, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

SCC - that would be Prins Claus - I even looked it up and still got it wrong! Hercule Poirot syndrome indeed.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 19, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Wheezy, I met you and Error online within posts of one another. I always think of your handles at the same time.

Maggie, not sure on the Larkin bio, but you may like knowing that he and Barbara Pym corresponded for years. NOT lovers as the rumour flared in say, 1996 or so.

Thanks, Maggie for the baseball update. For complex reasons, I have lost the heart for baseball fandom, but hope that will re-ignite, too.

Wilb., yes, I should not speak ill of a tree! But, simply at times of homesickness, I look at the brown-flakes peeling, and simply resent not seeing the paper birches. We had one in our Montana yard, planted at time of baby sister S's arrival. When we moved, one last picture of us is that we gathered around that lovely and feminine tree with neighbors. We prayed a decade of the rosary before moving off to California. So, simply my own heartache and wistfulness about the North.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 19, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Mostlylurking! Maggie!

I love the Boodle.

'Night all.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

My gracious! I just re-read my comment above. Did I ever go to school? Will I ever learn to preview?

I meant, of course, that I knew and loved all the poems above BUT I didn't know the Larkin's. I hope you understood that.

Now, amazingly, the game's tied 3-3.
Getting really interesting. And nail-biting time for Red Sox Nation.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 19, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

*coming out of retirement to comment*

I'm pretty sure that Barbara Pym was never anyone's lover. But so funny and such a good writer! I never knew anybody else who knew BP!

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Hi Wilbrod, hi Yoki! I used to have the vista of a stand of birches in the back yard next to mine. My new neighbor moved in six months ago and had them cut down. He seems nice, but I miss the trees he treated so cavalierly.

Now watch, he'll lose the house for which he overpaid and give it back to the bank, to the detriment of the economy and our neighborhood. And we'll have lost the trees.

Posted by: Wheezy | October 19, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I never really feel badly about people cutting down silver birches. They have a very short life-span. They grow like Topsy, but don't survive long. Plant a few more and they'll fill in where you want them to.

Sorry to hear about the potential foreclosure, though. When will banks learn that it is better to cut people some slack and have tenants, than to have a bunch of worthless properties on their books?

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Announcement! I totally misunderstood what just happened at the ball game. It's 3-1 Tampa. It must be wishful thinking on my part. Apologies all around. (Remember that I only watch baseball in October and only when the Red Sox are winning.)

Did someone mention Barbara Pym? I used to love Barbara until I discovered Anita Brookner, whom now I no longer love.

I did love one of her opening sentences, though, "Her life was ruined by literature," which I used to recite to my dot, who always (and still does) have her nose in book.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 19, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

My poetry appreciation skillz are dorkier than you can possibly imagine. Think Service, Kipling, a little Shelley, Coleridge. I think I need a filter. Which I get here (only the good stuff makes it past you guys)

Posted by: Jumper | October 19, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I think my poetry skills are worse than yours, Jumper. I used to say (in my twenties) that I was too young for poetry and would appreciate it later. I'm 50 now and still waiting to grow up enough to read it seriously.

Do like the ones people post here, though.

Posted by: Wheezy | October 19, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Maggie, I'm with you on Anita Brookner. I tried and tried and *tried* to love her, but she's ever so delicate and mannered, and that just doesn't appeal. Booker Prize or no, I can't stand her. I want books and poems with more blood and bones.

Ruined by literature! HAHAHAHA. That's me.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, I don't know that my new neighbor will lose the house, just that he overpaid. He doesn't seem to actually live there, either, which is problematic. He only comes on trash day to carry things out.

Maybe he lives in his workshop somewhere, crafting things out of birch wood.

Posted by: Wheezy | October 19, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'm really leaving now.

But Jumper, nothing wrong with Service (love him) or Shelley (a little refined, but what can you do?) Coleridge is amazing in a sort of stoner way, and Kipling? Politically suspect, and not very skilled, but I think he spoke to whole generations, and there is some value in that.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Maggie, I admire Anita Brooker but feel a bit that I must exert myself when reading her. BPym is such hoot, but with knowi ness and tenderness toward the characters. And, herself, too, since she is so much within the books.

While we are a it, the Fredericka Potter books of A.S. Byatt are as familiar to me as my own life.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 19, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't think so, slyness. I believe it's only assassination if the person is killed. It's not like "impeachment," which just means the trial, not the outcome.

Posted by: TBG | October 19, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, Why two brothers can whip out swaths of Dan McGrew and Sam McGee in duels with one another for the best parts!

Posted by: College Parkian | October 19, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

The Virgin in the Garden was too close to the bone for me, CP. Glad the times have changed, for women.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

'Night, Yoki, hi, Wheezy.

Maggie, that's funny. October is about the only time I watch baseball anymore, too. I keep getting the score wrong because I look at the hits instead of the runs.

I listened to an interview with Paul Theroux on my local NPR station. One interesting thing he said was that reading books was the way intelligent people communicate - which made me think of the Boodle, and how some of the most fascinating discussions for me are about books and poetry (which I do not have a deep knowledge of at all). Haven't read Theroux at all, either...He was referring to a literary allusion Gordon Brown had made, and said how unusual it would be for an American politician to do that - except maybe for Obama (and Clinton - Bill's a prodigious reader). Theroux told an interesting story about running into Obama a few years ago in Hawaii, and urging him to run for president.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 19, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Service! Long ago my husband and I bought all of his collected poems, based on our love of "Bessie's Boil."

Posted by: nellie | October 19, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

How typical of Theroux. He's such an egotist. It's all about him. He's such a poseur too. I've read a lot of him, and although he has had some really good books (Mosquito Coast and the The Great Railroad Bazaar, to name two), there are also a lot of stinkers.

Though he is a cohort or two older than I, he grew up in the next town from me -- an older, mostly working-class town northwest of Boston.

He's also in a long-standing feud with Naipal, once his mentor.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 19, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I stipped reading Throux in the Mosquito Coast.

Good night, Boodle

Posted by: Brag | October 19, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Mass back-boodling here:

I always just threw the crickets out the front door. Let them find their own way back in.

Don't know about hasishination, but in the 60s there was a plot to spike the punch at Trish Nixon's wedding with acid. Never came to anything.

It's just weird to stop for a bagel at 10:30 in the morning and see a football game well into the second quarter. I've gotta get back to the east coast.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 19, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

So it's Frosti and Dave of the Coonties vs Mudge, omni and dbG!

Play ball!

Posted by: TBG | October 19, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm sad to announce that the red Sox lost to the Tampa Rays. BUt they were the better team. I believe that they were in first place all season.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 19, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

My goodness! I have never had a comment held for review, and they have held a poem by Robert Service? It must be all the apostrophes.

Posted by: nellie | October 19, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Somewhat regrettably, Gulf Coast Florida is nearly a distinct state from the Atlantic Coast. There's a certain lack of east-west roads, so the Lake Wales Ridge might as well be the Endless Mountains that divide Pennsylvania.

I hadn't realized what a weird stadium the Rays occupy.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | October 20, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Maggie and Scotty! It was a good game, what I saw of it. Congrats, frosti, Floridians.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 20, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't sure where you are, Dave. You said you may go to see Obama in Orlando so thought you may be more central.

G'night all! I can sleep in tomorrow... the benefits of being jobless are endless.

Posted by: TBG | October 20, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Dave, the grass looked wet or even frosty to me - that doesn't seem right. I was casting on a sock, so I was kind of watching out of the corner of my eye, so maybe it was just me.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 20, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Good Night Irene.

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 20, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

hey, all. loved the powell endorsement. i wasn't surprised because i had heard the rumors. hope they make some good tv commercials out of his statement. i also love it that conservative intellectuals are jumping ship.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 20, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Were you ever out in the Great Alone, when the moon was awful clear,
And the icy mountains hemmed you in with a silence you most could hear;
With only the howl of a timber wolf, and you camped there in the cold,
A half-dead thing in a stark, dead world, clean mad for the muck called gold;
While high overhead, green, yellow and red, the North Lights swept in bars? —
Then you've a hunch what the music meant. . . hunger and night and the stars.

And hunger not of the belly kind, that's banished with bacon and beans,
But the gnawing hunger of lonely men for a home and all that it means;
For a fireside far from the cares that are, four walls and a roof above;
But oh! so cramful of cosy joy, and crowned with a woman's love —
A woman dearer than all the world, and true as Heaven is true —
(God! how ghastly she looks through her rouge, — the lady that's known as Lou).

Posted by: Anonymous | October 20, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Nice choice, nellie or anon.

Mosquito Coast is deeply funny; I loved it.

Up late looking into posting animations on Blogger. Not easily do-able. In the process I learned I already own a great GIF editor hiding in Photoshop Elements. Not that I'll be able to post them.

No wonder I was freezing. Back room window still open. Cranked up the woodstove the other day and this afternoon too.

Posted by: Jumper | October 20, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Tampa is the southernmost Midwest City. Just look where I-75 leads and figure out the migration pattern.

As opposed to Fort Lauderdale, which is New York City's most southern borough.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 20, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Florida: the Souther you go the Norther you get.

Posted by: Jumper | October 20, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

“The Dutch government said Sunday that it would inject 10 billion euros into the bank ING Group after it became the latest victim of the global financial crisis.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/20/business/worldbusiness/20ing.html?ref=business

I’m glad the Dutch gov’t made that decision. I’m covered for cancer and 59 other unpronounceable diseases under ING. If I don’t die of any of the listed illness by 65 years old, I should be able to get some money back.

Posted by: rainforest | October 20, 2008 3:11 AM | Report abuse

And I thought it was just France. My kids are in public French school in Paris and reading the names of their classmates over their coat hooks has kept me laughing for years. The parents may complain about American culture, but they certainly don't hesitate to name their offspring Kevin, Ryan, Jimmy, Jessica, and Fiona (thanks to Shrek they think that one is American, too). With names like Jimmy, they don't even understand what a nickname is since French people don't normally do that. So they'll name a kid Andy instead of Andrew, etc. Such an oddity to impart someone else's culture of which you know very little on your own child.

Posted by: MRC | October 20, 2008 4:02 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. Sorry for your loss Scotty and Badsneakers. After 2 hard frosts during the weeend it is a mild morning. It will be back.
Apropos of nothing, Robert Harris is back in fine form with his latest, "Ghost". I wasn't impressed by his recent Roman stories but with Ghost he is back in familiar territory. It's about a ghost writer getting the juice out of an ex-British PM who is a barely concealed mash of Tony Blair and Bill Clinton. The publishing industry gets skewered every other page. Very entertaining.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 20, 2008 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Happy cool Monday, all. It's warmer in the mountains than here in the Piedmont this morning. Fall has come!

I'll be in and out again today. First item on the agenda is to make the run to the airport to pick up a friend of Mr. T's. She's coming in town for a conference and wanted to visit. So I have to go to the former workplace and attempt to smile and be nice to people. I find that I really don't care to visit there. They've moved on, and so have I. It's such a relief not to have to care any more.

TBG, if you haven't had the feeling, it'll come quickly.

Posted by: slyness | October 20, 2008 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Ah well, at least the Sox made it interesting. “S” and I aren’t feeling too bad about them, they had a lot of injuries this year and Tampa was in first place most of the year.

#2’s wedding is Sunday, hope this week doesn’t hold any big snags. It’s cold here too, looks more like November than October. Ugh.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | October 20, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

*SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH*

*Monday-already Grover waves*

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 20, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Sad to see ING in trouble. They pioneered internet account access. Not to mention that odd lion logo.

Orlando is closer than it was a couple of years ago. A nasty two-lane road to the Turnpike has been replaced with a magnificent four-laner and the Turnpike's been repaved. It was so bad a few years ago that I actually turned around at a rest area (they're in the median) thinking my vehicle must have a bad axle.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | October 20, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Frost on the wings delays takeoff.

Shriek--the publishing industry deserves to be skewered. It's run by illiterate bean counters.

Posted by: Brag | October 20, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all.

So, now, how does it work for boodle baseball fans? Do you all join together to root for Tampa Bay against Philadelphia in the World Series?

VT lost, Redskins won; 50% glee for the weekend, here in the House of Burgesses.

Posted by: VintageLady | October 20, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Oh, yes. Good morning Boodle

Posted by: Brah | October 20, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

The Tampa Bay (really St. Pete) Rays changed their name from Devil Rays to avoid any hint of demonic Damned Yankees type of connection. Perhaps we can just call them the Flying Spaghetti Monsters.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 20, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Have to hand it to the Sawx, they kept it a nail biter right to the end. Heavens no VL, on the boodle endorsement of the Rays. I daresay we have as many Phillies fans, or more, among us as Rays fans. Still, go Rays!

Moving a little slowly after going out to dinner with the visiting Frostdaddy last night. The traditional Northern MN Supper Club is very much like the smorgasbord in Fargo, but with a little dimmer lighting and alcohol.

Yes, the Tampa Rays play in St. Pete and the St. Pete Times Forum is in downtown Tampa. Confusing to newcomers, but is perfectly normal considering the draw of the weirdness magnet.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 20, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

Scottynuke, NukeSpouse, Maggie 'O, and the rest of you Sawx fans - I'm sorry.

I wasn't able to go to NukeHaus after a family party, and am afraid that I was unable to discharge my obligation as NukeSox GoodLuck Charm.

In the interest of full disclosure, I was also offered a free ticket to the Washington NFL Franchise game *and* to see the Lyle Lovett/John Hiatt show down at the Warner Theater last night. Turned them both down to go to Mom's house, too.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 20, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

bc, we waited and waited and waited... The NukeFelines were very worried.

*SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 20, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Slyness your 6:55 is right on. It is a relief not to have to care anymore.

Posted by: dr | October 20, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Slyness... I'm already at the point where I don't care, but this morning I've been going over stuff with the folks who took over my work. This is the big deadline week and they got my projects dumped on them at the last minute.

I may not care about the work anymore, but I do care about the people.

Posted by: TBG | October 20, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

New kit

Posted by: dr | October 20, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle.

Waaaaaaaaaay to much in the hopper to backboodle and see what's going on, so I'll just start fresh.

Scotty, Maggie O, and NukeSpouse, deeply sorry about the Sawx. I was rootin' for youse guys hard as I know how, and thought that in the 8th inning you/we might have had a shot at it.

Round One of the Series is Wednesday night. I haven't paid this much attention to a World Series since...since...well, since the Sawx played.

I suppose I'm happy about the Redskins' win, but I just think they should have scored about 20 more points than they did.

And Dallas lost! (Tee hee; can't keep from giggling).

I think I'm getting my computer back tonight, and with Linux and OpenOffice aboard; no more Microsoft. I may need a Linux for Dummies book, though.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 20, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

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