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Kenley and Project Runway

Like most Americans, I'm obsessed these days with the great national calamity known as Kenley's Bad Personality. It threatens to overshadow the rest of the news, including that Wall Street thing and that vice presidential debate thing.

Now some of you may ask, who is Kenley? To which I reply: Aren't you a little embarrassed to let the entire world know how clueless you are? Whatever happened to shame??? If someone asks you to name a Supreme Court decision other than Roe v. Wade with which you disagree, we'll forgive you if you can only sputter inanities. But you cannot be forgiven if you know nothing about Kenley and her abrasive personality on Project Runway.

She's one of four contestants left. She's talented, though tends to hit the same note over and over, a kind of 1950s look. She's alienated everyone with her defensiveness and squawkiness. I won't give away what happened last night, in case you haven't seen the episode yet. (You can see the clash of personalities and Kenley's personal Three Mile Island meltdown at the Project Runway site.) But the fact that she's still around is probably because of an executive decree from the show's producers, who, if you pay very close attention to words that flash momentarily at the end of the episode, offer "input" on the crucial decision of who gets to stay and who is out. They know that Kenley makes good TV. People like to have someone to root against. The squabbling backstage, the tears, the name-calling, the "emo" personalities -- great TV!

Fortunately our political process has not become so corrupt as to allow cults of personality to take precedence over competence and intelligence. Right?????

By Joel Achenbach  |  October 2, 2008; 8:12 AM ET
 
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Joe Biden had some dental work done recently--becoming long in the tooth, with a ahrpening of his canines? Perhaps a mad scientist has been tinkering with his genome? Or is he really a member of the undead?

I had to laugh last night while my husband was flipping between CNN and MSNBC to hear a remark by Huffingtonpost.com blogger James Moore (author, "Bush's Brain" and "The Architect: Karl Rove") on Olberman's show. Moore claimed that tonight Biden would "drain the political lifeblood" out of Palin.

Colorful language (especially with Halloween at the end of the month)!--if one were in Wallachia. Biden and Palin running for vice president of Rumania? Biden a member of the Order of the Dragon?

Sigismund created the Order of the Dragon along with his queen, Barbara of Celje, cousin to Siggie's first wife, Mary. Vlad "Dracula" Tepes was a member of the order, along with his father. Both Mary and Barbara descend from an earlier Hungarian king, Stephen V, my antecedent. All in the family.

But be sure to check for the two characteristic bitemarks and possible bruising on Palin's fair and pale neck as she leaves the podium tonight. Maybe some sticky residue as well. Look closely for the telltale drop of b1ood at the corner of Biden's lips. Bwaahahahaha!

Posted by: Loomis | October 2, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

You would think that Palin could have at least come up with Plessy v. Ferguson? At the very least...

Posted by: Loomis | October 2, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

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Eagle-eye Brag watching the Boodle's six o'clock.

Wolfowitz up to more mischief?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/JJ03Ad01.html

Posted by: Brag | October 2, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

The only runway I know around here is our Dawn Patrol grass field. My severe ignorance is caused by lack of TV.

Posted by: Brag | October 2, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I haven't noticed a contestant on Project Runway since the big bearded guy who came back for a visit dressed as Brunhilde. And I can't even remember his name. Seems to have been having fun, though.

Posted by: lump516 | October 2, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Loomis: Palin doesn't have a fair and pale neck; she's got a tanning bed.

Posted by: Cap'n Chucky | October 2, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Morning all.

I've never heard of Kenley, but here's a link about an ill-behaved presidential candidate

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/221317.php

The qualities I admired about him are not in evidence these days.

RD - thanks for that Rickards link in the last boodle. You're right, he makes this financial crisis much more understandable for a dope like me.

Posted by: Kim | October 2, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

This season stinks. None of the contestants are as good as the runners-up from last season or the season before.

The immaturity and petulance of the remaining finalists is incredibly annoying. And they burst into tears at the littlest criticism. None of this season's designers deserve to win, deserve the exposure, deserve our attention. This is the throw away season of Project Runway.

Posted by: Pupster | October 2, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Katie missed the real follow up to the question. She should have asked "can you name any SC decision besides Roe v. Wade?"

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Hey, how's about a special "Dress Sarah" episode of Project Runway. Or Palin as a guest designer. Or maybe we could put Kenley in to debate Biden.

So many possibilities, so little time.

Posted by: Cap'n Chucky | October 2, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, got carried away and put in an extra "Palin". As if one wasn't enough.

Posted by: Cap'n Chucky | October 2, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

My brain freezes up when asked questions like name SC decisions, but I think I could have come up with a couple:

Brown vs. CMS Board of Education

Marbury vs. Madison

Dred Scott

More recent ones? eh.

Posted by: slyness | October 2, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Actually, you didn't, Cap'n Chucky. It's a flaw in the software.

Posted by: slyness | October 2, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Gore v. Bush springs to my mind when contemplating SC decisions that I disagree with...I guess it's no surprise that Gov. Palin didn't pick that one!

Posted by: Kim | October 2, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. Seriously Joel you're watching that show??? Oh. I see. Mrs. A, Elder, Middle and Younger Daughters are watching the show.
I guess you're probably the one hauling back the cubic yard pack of feminine hygiene product from the Big-Box-that-makes-you pay-for-the-privilege-of-shopping as well. Let's just say that next time I go to buy a barrel of peas, a gross of toothpaste tubes or a crate of underwear I won't ask if anybody need anything at the BBTMYPFTPOS.

Cohen at the NYT has an excellent opinion piece.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/opinion/02Cohen.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

The money graf pertains to today’s debate:
"I know one thing: this is no time for further gambling. John McCain rolled the dice on Sarah Palin. I’m grateful to Bob Rice of Tangent Capital for pointing out that the actuarial risk, based on mortality tables, of Palin becoming president if the Republican ticket wins the election is about 1 in 6 or 7.
That’s the same odds as your birthday falling on a Wednesday, or being delayed on two consecutive flights into Newark airport. Is America ready for that?"

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I love that you care about PR - almost as much as I do.

Posted by: kathycoulnj | October 2, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

How about Ledbetter v. Goodyear? If Palin knows about it, and agrees, I should think that should strip her of any cred with working women-even more than if she is oblivious.

Slyness-I don't think Marbury v. Madison is reaching back too far. Deep down, that's the decision that really irks the reps.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I was a little embarrassed that I could only come up with a few SC cases in the first few minutes... Brown, Hamdan, Miranda, Dred Scott, Wahtshisname v DC gun law...

Then again, it's not like I'm running for VP or anything. Or, you know, an American.

Posted by: byoolin | October 2, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

SCC: I meant "Whatshisname," of course, and then I looked it up and it's Heller.

(And thanks for reminding us of Gore v Bush, Kim.)

Posted by: byoolin | October 2, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Chucky,

I would paraphrase...

So many possibilities, so little shame.

Or maybe dignity?

Posted by: a bea c | October 2, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

byoolin- "....Or, you know, an American." Priceless!

I am growing ever more dismayed at the low bar we've set for "intellectualism" in America when knowledge we should be expecting of 8th graders is seen as something the VP candidate of a major party can pick up in the waning days of the campaign. As I told Ma Frostbitten last night "At least Sarah's not short, she doesn't have to sit on her Idiot's Guide to the Vice Presidency when she's being interviewed."

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

The NYT has an op-ed of sorts this morning, comprised of intelligent questions that a vast variety of contributors would ask Palin and/or Biden in the debate tonight.

Here's one of them:

Governor Palin, in a February interview you told me that “energy is a cause of war.” You said, “I personalize it, realizing my oldest child, my son, is in the Army now. He’s going to be deployed in a matter of months.” You added, “We’re fighting over, in some sense, energy sources.”

Governor, could you describe how, in general, energy is a cause of war, and how, specifically, it is a cause of war in Iraq?

— PETER MAASS, a contributing writer for The New York Times Magazine and the author of “Love Thy Neighbor: A Story of War”

LL: Just before we left for our Tahoe vacation, I stole over to the big-box book retailer on a lunch hour to read parts of Biden's autobiography, "Promises to Keep."

Here's what Biden wrote on page 16 about the earlier Bidens:

"My dad was born in Baltimore in 1915, around the time his dad, Joseph H. Biden, had fallen in with a family called the Blausteins, helping them deliver kerosene door-to-door from a special tank rigged on a horse-drawn wagon. When the company anticipated the coming of the automobile age, they turned to gasoline and made a nice little company called American Oil Company (later Amoco). Joseph H. was shipped to Wilmington to run the American Oil operation there."

LL: Biden, a few pages later in his autobiography explains that his father was given every privilege and material item that his dad's heart desired, yet bemoans the fact that his own father never had a college education. Author Daniel Yergin, in his Pulitzer-prize-winning book, "The Prize," barely mentions the Blausteins. However, others have written about them in some detail.

Here's an article from Time magazine, summer of 1940, titled "Blaustein v. Standard Oil." The legal challenge was heard by New York County Supreme Court.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,789909,00.html

I prefer this detailed piece of reporting about the Blausteins, far more recent, written by Margaret Hamilton and published by the Washington Post on Feb. 1, 1999. She explains the Blaustein company ties to both British Petroleum (the same company that took over Atlantic Richfield, the oil company my father worked for, and for whom Todd Palin now works) and to Texas (should this surprise anyone?):

http://www.webshells.com/crown/pages/history.htm

If I had the opportunity to sit down with Joe Biden for a one-on-one interview, I would definitely want to ask him how the family fell so far, so that Joe had to struggle to come up with the tuition so that he could attend an exclusive schools. His grandfather had a ground-floor opportunity in oil and gas and accumulated great wealth? Where did the family fortune go? How was the wealth spent? And apparently lost? Certainly ol' Joe Biden knows the oil and gas industry and could also reveal more of his family's story.

And let's hope that tonight's moderator of the debate, Gwen Ifill, asks both Biden and Palin their respective views on America's current energy situation and its future.

Posted by: Loomis | October 2, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I believe the question posed by Couric to Palin was what other Supreme Court decisions Palin DISAGREED with, besides Roe v. Wade...

Posted by: Loomis | October 2, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I posted about the SC issue as "non-partisanly" as I could a couple of days ago. Then gave it an ed-tech twist with the primary sources websites.

http://blogs.glnd.k12.va.us/teachers/bcantor/2008/09/29/supreme-court-primary-sources/

The Oyez Project is worth looking at.

Posted by: a bea c | October 2, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Software with flaws? Never heard of such a thing!

Posted by: Cap'n Chucky | October 2, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Palin probably would have answered that letting Diana Ross leave the group and go out on her own was a bad decision.

'Morning, Boodle.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

JA - Thanks for not being a spoiler. Last night's episode is on my TIVO.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Or maybe Godzilla v. Mothra. That one was a doozy.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Byoolin at 9:51: I think there's a germ of an idea there. Maybe anybody running forPres or VP should have to answer the same questions that somebody applying for citizenship needs to answer, just so we know they're really, y'know, Americans. And none of this "I'll try to find 'em and I'll send 'em to ya" crap, either.

Posted by: Cap'n Chucky | October 2, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Being a journalism major, she at least ought to be able to cite Sullivan v. New York Times, or Near v. Munn. Unless of course she agrees with them (but then, she'd have to know what they said).

The John Peter Zenger thing probably doesn't count, not being a Supreme Court decision. If she ever heard of Zenger.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know exactly what Todd Palin DOES as a production worker? I used to work in petroleum but I'm unsure. I THINK he might go around examining metering systems at the point where oil/gas goes from wells into pipelines; maybe checking to see if pressure sensors and flowmeters reflect actual gauge pressures, etc. But I can't find out. I know he used to supervise the same work he does now. I'm not looking for a put-down, just curious.

Posted by: Jumper | October 2, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

When the selection of SC justices is guided by eliminating activism from the bench, a position touted by the reps, one would expect that the VP nominee could come up with more than one example of such activism. What, no problem with Stone v. Graham?

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if she's ever heard of the Pentagon Papers case? (New York Times Co. v. United States.) Or what she thinks of it (if someone explained it to her slowly).

The Miranda decision (Miranda v. Arizona) and its companion case, Gideon v. Wainright...

The Bakke case...

Loving et ux v. Virginia (which just was in the news recently when Ms. Loving died)...

Wonder where she stands on Scopes, the Scottsboro Boys and Galileo...

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to cut Palin a little slack in saying that coming up with a SC case name can be somewhat difficult. It's not like the names give you any hint as to what the subject matter is. Even my DH has trouble remembering some case names, but he does remember the holding, and he's taught ConLaw.

But that said, it doesn't install much confidence (OK I didn't have any before but you know) that she couldn't even talk about a SC decision like "oh that ruling where they said Gitmo detainees have rights, I didn't like that too much" or "you know anything authored by Ginsberg, Breyer, Stephens, or Souter". Now that's a question, can she name the SC Justices, their judicial leaning, and does she know which ones are closer to retirement?

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

frosti - Republicans are perfectly fine with judicial activism when it's in their favor.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Little detail from the Anchorage Daily News about Todd Plain's duties:

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/8679537p-8574757c.html

On the other hand, Todd Palin's job as an hourly wage production operator at a Prudhoe Bay gathering center is far from the center of power in BP. Palin works both indoors and out at the facility, which separates water from crude oil and reinjects the water into the ground before sending oil down the pipeline.

Posted by: Loomis | October 2, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Somebody mentioned Maureen Dowd being banned from the McCain plane. More than that, she was kicked off in Pittsburgh and left to fend for herself. I have the story and some blogosphere reaction today:

http://dowdreport.blogspot.com/2008/10/mccain-plane-flak.html

I'm upset more people aren't taking umbrage. It's not a good harbinger of how McCain will deal with the press if he's elected. That and the sequestering of his VP candidate seem to point to him picking up lots of press relation pointers from Cheney and Co.

Posted by: Mo MoDo | October 2, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

SCC: Palin, not Plain--with his rugged good looks, he's hardly plain...but do recall his recent duties are SAHD.

Posted by: Loomis | October 2, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Loomis, you're right, Couric did ask Palin about SC decisions with which she might hae disagreed. If I had to guess, out of the ones I listed, I'd say the Governor would probably disagree with Hamdan.

Two recent decisions she could have named to polish her conservative bona fides might have been Kennedy v Louisiana (which struck down the death penalty for child rape) and Boumedienne v. Bush (which held that the Military Commissions Act unfairly deprived Boumedienne of the right of habeas corpus).

Frosti pointed out that Katie might well have asked Governor Palin to simply name some SC decisions, but that might be pretty close to 'gotcha' journalism.

Which is not to say that I think the governor would have been able to answer that question, either.

Posted by: byoolin | October 2, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

good points astromom, I had to look up Stone v. Graham myself, but knew it as the "10 commandments in schools case." As you point out, it is easy enough to bring up a finding without having to recall the name. She could have said, "I disagree with the courts ruling that...." and skirted the name of the case.

Time to get ready for lunch with Frostsis #2. Will be interesting to see how VA's Tidewater diners take to my baby sister's wickedly funny Palin imitation. I may just put her up to staying in character for the whole meal.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

My only reality show is Amazing Race. This season look like they have plenty of potentially bickering couples including estranged spouses trying work through infidelity issues, newly dating clingy types, and the usual assortment of controlling illegitimate progeny and female dogs (B&Bs).

I'm disappointed that the elderly hippie beekeepers already lost. My wife says the smart money should be on the preternaturally attractive brother and sister pair. Sentimentally, I'm pulling for the comic book geeks, but those guys tend to get their lunch handed to them by the fifth episode.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 2, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"...decisions with which she might hae disagreed."

I'll leave it to the Boodle to decide whether that merits an SCC or is just a randomly-inserted snippet of me doing a charming Scottish brogue.

Posted by: byoolin and Applecross were right To keep the Highland hounds in sight | October 2, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

COURIC: What other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?

PALIN: Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings, that's never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are -- those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So you know -- going through the history of America, there would be others but --

COURIC: Can you think of any?

PALIN: Well, I could think of -- of any again, that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a vice president, if I'm so privileged to serve, wouldn't be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Yello, you say "the preternaturally attractive brother and sister pair," I say "creepily and not-so-vaguely incestuous brother and sister pair."

Shudder.

Also, shudder to think I quote Robbie Burns one minute and confess to knowing anything about that show the next.

Posted by: byoolin | October 2, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Jeez, even I can think of Dred Scott v Sanford off the top of my head.

But that would imply she's not "for" state rights come what may. Very Unrepublican (in the modern sense)... but if she agrees with it,she loses a lot of votes...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Like Brag, I've never heard of Kenley. Are you sure you don't mean "kanly."

"The act of kanly was originally created as a way of allowing bitter disputes to be resolved without any harm being brought upon innocent bystanders. It was similar in many ways to the ancient duels made on Earth, although it usually had much broader ramifications. Kanly (kanli) is a Turkish word means sworn enemy. This animosity continue father to son, until the last child dead or two families make peace." (Dune Wiki)

Posted by: Shiloh | October 2, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

By the way, Fossett's plane has been found.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/510257

Posted by: byoolin | October 2, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

byoolin,
Po-tay-toe, po-tah-toh.
It's going to make great television.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 2, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Very boodley question but not on kit.

Because it spoke to me in lisping, lilting Italian, I bought a raddichio this early am from a friend's coffee shop and produce stand. I carried this home in my hoodie kangaroo pocket while biking; expect I looked somewhat pregnant in sidewise views.

I am thinking to saute half of this darling purple cabbage head in olive oil and garlic: Simmering longish to cut the bitters. Then eat with a dash of rock salt and maybe a bit of bacon. I do not have pancetta, so plain rashers will do.

What other boodler-ways to cook this? I could look at recipes but that would be silly when
The.Boodle.KNOWS.ALL.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 2, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Palin is surely familiar with the SCOTUS opinion that one should not create a clear and present danger by shouting "Bring 'em on" across the Bering Strait, as held in Schenck vs United States.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 2, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

A busy morning.

Personally, I like Project Runway.
My daughters turned me onto the show, and I don't watch it religiously, but I do watch it from time to time.

I appreciate the qualites a successful designer needs to bring to the show: the creative and the practical, the competitive and the cooperative.

And, of course, there's always the interesting psychological elements. e.g. Santino as PR's Rasputin was a very interesting season.

If they ever had a duct tape apparel competition, I'd be interested. I've had plenty of practice.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 2, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

If I had been chewing gum I would have swallowed it when I heard Palin say she thinks there's a right to privacy. What confuses and worries me is that if I had had a mouthful of beer I probably would have spewed it all over the flaptop.

Counterintuitive, neh?

Posted by: Boko | October 2, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Add a few partially crushed mustard seeds and peppercorns while sauteeing. I'd go easy on the garlic. Ginger is better with cabbage.

Ooh ooh, do I get a prize for being a know-it-all?

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

byoolin, Robbie would nae ha' lasted t' the end 'o tha furst shew.

The great Ewen McTeagle, on the other hand, would have certainly been able to scrounge at least a fiver to get him to the next episode.

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 2, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Clueless alert: I don't know who Kenley is and have never watched Project Runway. I gather it is about fashion, not airplanes?

About that Palin answer: her obvious choice should have been last year's Exxon Valdez decision in which the Supremes reduced the award (to Exxon's benefit). As governor, she spoke out against the decision. You'd think she'd remember it lo these many months later.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 2, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Loomis, I was curious.

I've read a lot of stuff and took some college courses on a lot of other stuff, but my mind about went blank on Supreme Court decisions. Plessy v Fergusen and Brown vs BOE and Gore vs who? and Henry Fonda vs the people who didn't want him to have a free lawyer, and Dred Scott, and that's it. How embarrassing. I shouldn't be VP! Wah!

Posted by: Jumper | October 2, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

this season is the less creative or even less talented bunch ..so to have defensiveness diva stay is a good move. For good tv and so that we dont grow bored with everyone left's monotone designs.

The judges expect designers to kiss their behinds or to act as if they were the actual fashion police. Most designers are nasty by nature, Donnatella Versace is one of them. As long as her work speaks louder than her defensiveness... i say let her stay. However, her designs..only speak as far as the 50's went.

Posted by: mercurio3 | October 2, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Get rid of Kenley already!I'm sick of her incessant whining.
They should have dumped her when she sent that bloated Minnie Mouse dress down the runway for the Zodiac challenge. And what about that atrocious concoction she created last week? That was supposed to be Hip Hop??? Kenley wouldn't know Hip Hop if it hit her in the face.
The show used to be really good and based on actual talent but this season I'm not so sure.

Posted by: Fala | October 2, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Grikked radicchio works well with me. The head must be larish, not those dwarf things we get in winter. Mix a goodly quantity of olive oil (2 tablespoon per largish head, mebbe)and equal qty of balsamic vinegar, some garlic and any eyetalian herb(s) you fancy. Chervil and oregano comes to mind. Salt and pepper to taste, although I prefer adding pepper just before serving. Rub/pour that vinaigrette on the halved red-headed endive. Wait 30-60 minutes.
Put in a pan cut side up, pour the vinaigrette on top. Add a few carrots or cut-up turnips, well oiled, to make a mixed veggies plate. Place in a hot oven (425-450F). It takes a while to cook radicchio (and root vegetables) completely, the edges must be crispy and the heart soft. 45-60 minutes is typical for largish heads. As with any roasted veggies, parmigiano and/or romano sprinkling adds a zing.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Morning All
Very chilly this morning in west by god, we are starting to get some nice colors in the trees.

A friend turned me onto Project Runway and even though fashion isn't my concern ,I have enjoyed the past couple of seasons.I haven't checked out this years show,maybe catch it on reruns.Still all in all very entertaining. Oh and did I mention Heidi Klum is one of the judges.It is always pleasant looking at her.

Off to do some chores and find the rake,

Have a Great day everyone!!!

Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 2, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

SCC Grilled, to start with. *sigh*

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I know nothing about Project Runway, save for what I read here. If they want me to be among the viewership (and who wouldn't? Think of the word-of-mouth!), I think they should have Yves Rossy on the show. Now THAT would be a design competition worth watching!

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 2, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Fala, we don't use the expression 'Hit her in the face.' around here. The preferred phrase is 'Bit her in the ass.'

Today is 'stick a flower in a gun barrel day'

Alright all you know-it-alls - figure that one out

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't watch Project Runway, but I have noticed that it's common practice to cast at least one Really Annoying Twit on a reality show. Such as Brandy with the miniature Schnauzer on Greatest American Dog, or Jenn on Hell's Kitchen, or Scott Sabol on American Idol. Yes, "I'm Raysmom, and I'm addicted to reality TV."

frosti, your sister sounds like a hoot. I'd love to team her up with my boss, who can also do a spot-on Palin imitation. And even looks like her.

Posted by: Raysmom | October 2, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

CP, make a marinade out of some chopped garlic cloves, EVOO, baslamic vinegar, kosher/rock salt and ground pepper. Put in some herbs if you want (rosemary, thyme, basil, whatever is handy), and a touch of mustanrd (dijon). Marinate for an hour or so. Put on baking sheet, drizzle with marinade, roast at 425 degrees for 20 to 25 minutes.

Since you mention bacon, you might want to fry the bacon until crisp, then use a tablespoon of bacion grease in the marinade.

After it comes out of oven (I'd grill it on my grill outside; don't know if you have one), sprinkle the bacon bits and grated parmesan cheese (or better, shredded parmesan regianno if you got the real stuff). If done on grill, put layer of foil down; the marinade will drip and catch fire; gotta watch flame-ups.

I use a formula like this for grilled romaine all the time. I like it with the diagonal scorch marks on it.

If I was making the bacon, I'd consider sauteeing the garlic cloves with the bacon before adding to the marinade.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Grilled romaine? Really? You're not yanking my chain, pulling my leg, jesting with me? I never even *thought* of cooking a lettuce. Incon-CEIV-able!

Posted by: CulinaryTim | October 2, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

see my 11:32 Mudge. 20-25 minutes' fine for romaine, double that (easily) for radicchio.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Figure out what, omni? Flower-in-a-gunbarrel day? Pentagon March, 1967, man. C'mon, gimme something hard.

BTW, your notion that I would only eat a fresh Philly pretzel is wrong. I can, have, and would eat one (or more) if it was rock-hard and three weeks old. Yes, fresh is preferred. But I am not a pretzel dilettante by any means.

With yellow mustard, of course. Although I gotta admit that honey mustard stuff Aunt Annie sells is mighty tasty.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

my mother makes a mean lettuce soup CulinaryTim.
It makes a strange green liquid, which is color adjustable by careful selection of lettuce species, but darn good.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Ok so I was reading the front page story on skepticism about Palin and this line caught my eye.

"(White married women support the GOP ticket by a 20-point margin.)"

Really???? Why???? Being a white married woman and having many friends who are white married women, we range from center to left, but definitely not in the Republican camp. Yes, I run in the "intellectual" crowds, but not all my friends are PhDs. I'd understand an even split, but a 20-point margin????

Color me confused.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Can't let us bread?
Please at least let us pieces of lettuce species.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Raysmom, I too am a reality TV addict, currently watching SYTYCD Canada - just picked the top 20.

I have not watched Project Runway though.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

astromom.... maybe they're talking about "white married women married to Republican men who think they know what their wives think and answered the survey for them."

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

To add to Byoolin's alert.

The area where hiker Morrow found the Fossett ID and hundred dollar bills is extremely rugged, with many small alpine lakes. What amazed me is that Morrow was hiking off-trail--along with the fact that lawyers that represented the Fossett family would not take the call from Mammoth Lakes, and Morrow initially had no idea who Fossett was. Wonder if the search teams will find remains?

Found these photos last night, and you'll have to scroll down to see the photo of Minaret Lake. The "minaret" rock formations are somethin' else, extraordinary, really. Again, a little naming reminder in the Sierra of Muslims and mosques.

http://jrabold.net/mammoth/mamwild.htm

This part of California's backbone reminds me, too, of the Whitney California Geological State Survey that worked so vigorously to map the Sierra.

http://www.yosemite.ca.us/library/exploration_of_the_sierra_nevada/whitney.html

I became interested in one of the members of Dwight Whitney's team after our Tahoe vacation, James Terry Gardner, thinking that he might be the reason that Gardnerville, Nev., got its name, but he is not. However, I found that Gardner is descended from the Dwights of Northampton, Mass., and the Connecticut River axis, the same town Whitney hailed from. A close-knit group, these early geologists. The Terrys were one of the early families of ancient Windsor, Conn.

Our trip was full of Mormonism, in strange ways, which I hope to explain either before Thanksgiving or NYT columnist Frank Rich's speaking engagement at Modesto Junior College on Nov. 15. The cheap seats for his visit cost $25. His lecture here at Trinity was free, thank goodness.

Posted by: Loomis | October 2, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Lettuce prey

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Nope Mudge. Here's a clue: Initials MG.

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

My mom used to make what she called Honeymoon Salad: lettuce alone.

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Culinary Tim, yes indeedy, grilled romaine OR grilled radicchio. Really outstanding.

Shriek, you could be right on time. Yes, it does have to be well-cooked to get rid of the bitterness. I've never done it in the oven, just on outside grill, where I never had to actually time it (and temp control is difficult): I just watched it unti, it was done.

Romaine is usually pretty fast, doesn't need through cooking like radicchio. Just enough to get the grill marks and a little scorch here and there.

And yes, I can see adding pepper at very end instead of in marinade.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Would a crock pot work for the SD version, SD?

DNA gal,you are loosing out to the Eytalian or Frenchified version. Post a detail or two more about yours....for Halloween, I shall experiment and offer a radicchio-version of ColCannon, de riguer in Irish families before trick-o-treating.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 2, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"It is not one form, it is the only form ... It is the greatest and the most activist force in the world ... It is a force which is more positive than electricity, and more powerful than even ether." -MG

Posted by: Shiloh | October 2, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

TBG, lately my wife has been on an iceberg lettuce kick: just a simple wedge with some dressing on it. (And salt and pepper.) Sometimes it's good to go back to basics.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Kent State was May 4, so I'm stumped.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 2, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyagraha

Omni?

Posted by: Shiloh | October 2, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Mudge you have just described my fathers choice for a salad for as long as I remember, I chunk of iceberg (about 1/4 of the head, Thousand Island dressing - salt and pepper. For such a simple salad he was very fussy about how it was done, his salad and his rye & water where the only two things I remembered him being very particular in how they were prepared.

He wasn't thrilled when we all grew up and had them over for supper and served our fancy salads, an assortment of lettuce and ingredients.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

(2 October 1869 – 30 January 1948)

Posted by: Shiloh | October 2, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Project Runway? Isn't that the show about renovating old airstrips?

[Pause for hysterical laughter.]

Had an *interesting* morning made a little bit more interesting because of you dang Canadian types. But it's all good now.

When it comes to those reality competition shows I'm much like Kim - I can't handle the humiliation involved. Yet I will try to watch the debate tonight. Of course, expectations for Palin have gotten so low that just as long as she doesn't start speaking in tongues many will hail her as the victor.

astromom - I actually have one of those married white women living under the same roof as me. She's pretty darn confused by that 20 point margin as well.


Posted by: RD Padouk | October 2, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Ooh Shiloh is on the right track -

and "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

But there is just a little more to it. It's not just a birthday, it's International

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Gahndi? (sp)

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I know, dmd -- my grandfather was like that, too.

When my wife served the iceberg wedge a few weeks ago I was shocked by the realization I hadn't eaten it that way for, like, 45 years or something. It was actually a pretty neat change-of-pace. (I think I'd get bored with it after, say, the third time or so, though.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

*standing up*
Hello - my name is mo and i'm a reality show junkie! i watch them all:
sytycd
american next top model
american idol
america's got talent
survivor
so you want to work for diddy
making the band
jon & kate plus 8
amazing race

i do, however, draw the line at flavor of love and the spin off new york show (tho i did watch shot at love - it was like a train wreck - you just can't stop watching!)

and ceepee - grilled! mom had some grilled rad in italy and i swear to the fsm that it tasted like steak! don't know HOW... but there you have it...

Posted by: mo | October 2, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Have now googled correct spelling Ghandi.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I've watched every episode of Survivor except the last two and it was all downhill from the first one. Loved the first one though

The other reality shows I really liked the most was Celebrity Mule where Kathy Griffith won and (Should I admit this?) I'm a Celebrity get me out of here...

Looks like Shiloh is stuck cause my clues were a bit misleading - Think 'International Day ...'


Answer is coming up in 10 minutes or so (Maybe I'll pull a JA and post the answer in a hour

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Day_of_Non-Violence

Posted by: Shiloh | October 2, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps we could call it pour some salt into a gun barrel day.

Pictures of Gandhi Jayanti commemoration:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshowpics/3552958.cms

http://www.gandhi-manibhavan.org/gandhiphilosophy/philosophy_nonviolence_nonviolence.htm

Or perhaps we could call it reward some country for thumbing its nose at the NNPT day

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

ok - nothing ticks me off more than the iceberg wedge trend!!! actually, i'm quite miffed with iceberg lettuce in general but what's with fancy restaurants serving iceberg wedges?? iceburg lettuce has little to no nutritional value. it FOOLS you into thinking you are eating something healthy - it's the big mac of lettuce! i think my disdain for iceburg lettuce started when i was working at a fancy hotel rest in nyc during college - our salads were made with field green lettuce, something that i had never really seen before (this was the early 90's). i loved field greens so much that i felt cheated that i was duped into thinking iceberg lettuce actually consituted a salad...
yes, i have iceberg lettuce umbrage!

Posted by: mo | October 2, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

And we have a winner:Shiloh

And he didn't even need my most telling clue

This was more fun (at least for me) than an MSN quiz


Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I admit it, I watch the reality shows on VH1. Flavor of Love, Rock of Love, I Love New York, Charm School, and I've even seen some episodes of the Tila Tequila one.

But surprisingly I stay away from most of the major network shows, even the reality ones. My TV is rarely ever on the big 3 anymore. Bravo, VH1, Sci-Fi, and the station with Jon & Kate +8 and that fashion makeover show.

I'm my father's daughter and I love crappy TV.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey, astromom et al., I was pretty puzzled by that "20% of white married women prefer mccain" too - I know two who will admit to it. Not me, nor anyone else in that demographic I see. Of course, we've already established that I don't necessarily get out much.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 2, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I love Iceberg, it's like eating water. But since I discovered there is more to lettuce than iceberg I like all other kinds for salad. Iceberg for me is a snack like watermelon or apples. no umbrage here

I think I'll get some for this evenings snacking

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

interesting fun fact about lettuce:
*according to wiki*
Lactucarium (or “Lettuce Opium”) is a mild opiate-like substance that is contained in all types of lettuce. Both the Romans and Egyptians took advantage of this property eating lettuce at the end of a meal to induce sleep.

i shall, from now on, only eat salad!

Posted by: mo | October 2, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Now that I know the "real" answer, omni, I'm convinced my original answer was the correct one. Just sayin'.

mo, I think the iceberg wedgie is just a kinda "retro" thing.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

oops,wait I get your point mo. to be served iceberg in a restaurant. that's just cheap

but still I love iceberg for snacking at home

Not a fan of salad dressing at all. If I get dressing at all it's on the side. But then I feel guilty for using only about 1% of what they give me.

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Today is also the birthday of poets Wallace Stevens and Don McLean. And Phil Oakley if you want to get really obscure.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 2, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

mr. joel: i must confess i do not know 'project runway' unless it is what manly men do in their backyards for their homemade airplanes. if it is anything else i suspect it is not manly and not in keeping with your other pursuits, such as grass growing, porch sitting, chili cooking, etc.

Posted by: butlerguy | October 2, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

But Mudge, aren't you off by 19 days?

The Pentagon March in 1967 was Oct. 21st, no?

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

The modern restaurant wedge salad includes enough bleu cheese and bacon crumbles to induce a coronary, thus rendering it unhealthy enough to merit a twelve dollar price tag.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 2, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

According to Wikipedia, today is also Pomme de terre Day on the French Republican calendar.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 2, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2578/is-iceberg-lettuce-a-drug

A little something for iceberg addicts.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 2, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

don't forget the drummer for the Sugar cubes Sigtryggur Baldursson

and Tiffany - a sugar pop rival of Debbie Gibson

Albert Scott Crossfield (as close to not on topic as I'll get in a way)

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

butlerguy, I look at PR as an interesting exercise in challenges to solve a particular problem by developing a concept, then designing and building clothing within a given set of parameters.

A friend called me recently to encourage me to watch an episode/challenge where the contestants were directed to make apparel using materials found solely in an auto parts store.

I enjoyed it immensely, just as much as the one several seasons ago where competitors had to make clothes from a plant/flower nursery.

I appreciate creativity.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 2, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Lettuce opium?? I just had a nice Caesar salad for lunch anzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 2, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Solantu.htm

And a little something for The Potato Eaters.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 2, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Scotty: Are you feeling a little sleepy?

Didn't someone say "Lettuce is the opiate of the masses."

Posted by: Shiloh | October 2, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Previous quote attributed to the FSM.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 2, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

My mom used to make the salad exclusively with iceberg (and the accompaniments). Me, I'm hooked on romaine and oak-leaf lettuce, which I can get almost year round at my farmers market down the street. They grow it in the greenhouse during the winter.

And, now, back to wracking my brain (what's left of it) and shaking Adobe Acrobat to try to make it do what I want it to do. I love Adobe, but it's being a smart-a$$ right now. Dang teenager. . .

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 2, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

CiPi, radicchio in a crockpot would be braised radicchio. It should work too. I would hold the basalmic vinegar and use a dash of white wine. Or vermouth. Or Noilly-pratt. But wine is better as the cook has to start drinking the rest of the bottle so that it would not spoil, standing there all lonely on the counter.
Just add as little liquid as possible at one time. It's braised radicchio, not boiled cabbage.

omni, for me the Flower in the Gun Barrel is the start of WWI, the summer 191. Early in the war, say September-October 1914, the French poilus went to front "La Fleur au Fusil", convinced it would be a short, glorious war. It would also be the last of the last wars, La Der des Ders (la dernière des dernières). I would say they were were very wrong on both counts.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

SCC there is a missing 4 in 1914 somewhere.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I've got nothing on radicchio except that Dave Barry once said, "Radicchio is Italian for 'even starving goats won't eat it.'"

Posted by: Raysmom | October 2, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Frostsis #2 cracks me up. "You know (insert name of interviewer) I'm against world peace. That would just throw a lot of people out of work." But seriously, "I'm looking forward to The Rapture. It's going to take a lot of people I don't like, and Cracker Barrel won't be so crowded on Sunday."

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Returning to boodle after a couple hours' absence, two remarks:

1. You'd think Palin would remember Dred Scott v Sanford & Son. About the right to shout "This is it, Elizabeth! I'm coming to see you!" in a crowded junkyard.

2. Does Brandy with the miniature Schnauzer relate in some way to all the radicchio recipes? This is kind of disturbing.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

shrieking d, it is plainly apparent we need more flowers and less guns, allergies be dammed

short and glorious - "All Quiet on the Western Front"

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Boy, sounds like Palin said, "settled."

Hmmm. She' Executive Branch. Hmmm. Law of the Land.

Roe v. Wade. Settled.

I know. I know. She shops at WalMart, is a carnivore, and her husband doesn't have a degree.

The horror.

Why, she NEVER will have a kid working as a DC lobbyist or at a hedge fund. The white trash bimbo. She's almost, ..normal.

Not allowed.

Posted by: Troll | October 2, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

and causes of thyroid disease:

Overconsumption of uncooked "goitrogenic" foods, such as brussels sprouts, broccoli, rutabaga, turnips, kohlrabi, radishes, cauliflower, African cassava, millet, babassu, cabbage and kale

Posted by: mo | October 2, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Know you tell me about the kale.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 2, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

My wife shops at Walmart, is a carnivore, and would hate to see her son work as a Lobbyist.

Of course her husband has two degrees. I guess that makes her a total freak.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 2, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

SCC: Know, now, whatever... Dang silent letters. Just there for spite.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 2, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Trying to catch up and looking forward to Sat. night's MBPH. I got my Amtrak reservation last night and my hotel reservation this a.m.

If folks are still looking I found good rates on a website called "best hotel rates.biz" and just typed in Washington DC.

The North West section of DC near Georgetown I think is one of the nicest areas (think it was a bea c that was inquiring last p.m.--I have no computer at home so was only able to catch up and answer now. I am staying at One Washington Circle Hotel and will be getting in to DC at around 3:30 p.m.)

What time on Sat. p.m. does the MBPH at Buffalo Billiards start?

Thanks, all. Getting very excited.

aroc

Posted by: aroc | October 2, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

aroc... looking forward to meeting you! The party begins at 5 at Buffalo Billiards on 19th St, near Dupont Circle (right across from the Dupont Metro stop).

Troll... it seems that Sarah Palin's kids will never be governor of a state, either. Isn't that a shame? I don't know why they aren't pursuing higher education. Seems like such a waste.

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

aroc - my understanding is 5:00. We lose the room at 8:00, although many will doubtless keep the party going until the paddy wagon arrives.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 2, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

As far as I'm concerned lettuce (or any of its variants) is simply the delivery vehicle for the "good stuff": dressings (blue cheese, caesar, catalina, Russian, balsamic, rasberry vinaigrette, et al.); and the foreign objects who swim in them: pepperoni, croutons, chopped hard-boiled egg, tomatoes or grape/cherry tomatoes, cukes, an occasional radish, bason bits, strawberries (in spinach salad), mandarin oranges, onion (sparingly), diced ham, articificial crab meat, and several dozen lesser accoutrements, garnishes, leftover pieces of london broil, popcorn (and non-popcorn) shrimp, and whatever other detritus might be available.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Geez! aroc will be there too! I am so sorry I am missing out on this. Though I appear to be coming down with whatever the Boy's had all week so it is probably just as well for the rest of you that I can't join you.

I sometimes shop at WalMart (though usually it is SuperTarget, which has almost exclusively dressed the Boy for twelve years now), am a carnivore, and would hate for my son to be a lobbyist. However, my husband has several degrees. Guess that makes me some sort of alien. Ah, well, at least I'm in good company with RD's wife.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 2, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

That's pretty damned sad if that's your definition of "normal," Mr. T.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Q and A moments ago: Vital questions about Palin's Pastor. (saving catty remarks about shoes for later, I guess).

Sally Jenkins: I tried to reach Paul Riley, the pastor who baptized her, and had no luck. So I don't know the answer to your question. I did ask her father point blank, "What did you tell your daughter about religion and science?" He replied, "Nothing." He and Sally Heath wanted their kids to figure it out for themselves. They simply exposed them to both sides of the discussion. Having met Chuck Heath, and seen his amazing collection of fossils and bones, etc., I can tell you that their household is a very intelligent and thoughtful and interesting one. And more world than you might expect. The Heaths volunteer as trappers for the Dept of Agriculture Wildlife service. They go around the world working on wildlife projects, saving imperiled bird populations, etc. They came to New York after 9-11 to trap rats and seagulls that were plagueing the salvage operations. And they have been to China not once but three times. So this is a sophisticated household, with some interesting ideas flying around inside."

But, hey, you have two degrees. Don't let facts get in the way of 7th Grade gossip.
Palin's like way dumber than you.

That's why's she's Governor. And mother of five. And a business owner. And a pilot. And a beauty queen. And a .... Sorry, it's hard on your self esteem. Remember she's from a "little" state to inflate your self-importance.

Dems are sooooo smart. Just ask one.

John Kerry. 2.76 GPA. George Bush 2.77.

Ouch.

I will sneak into a Dem Debate Watching Party to see the titters if Palin doesn't know the Deputy UnderSecretary of Commerce in Belize.

She's a bimbo cause she's a Republican.

And, she chose life over abortion, I mean reproductive rights.

And she has 5 kids, unlike Bobby Kennedy's 11.

And, her running mate has 7 houses.

Biden has only one $3 Million Dollar lakeside home.

And a lobbyist son. And a hedge fund kid.

But, hey, HIS spouse is a PhD.

So is mine.

That makes me a freak, I guess.

Palin is such a hick. So dumb.

Not like Obama and Biden. Two super guys who know EVERY SCOTUS opinion. And Senate procedure. Just like Klansman Robert Byrd.

Some change.

Posted by: Troll | October 2, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Obama teach Constitutional Law - just a wild guess but I am thinking he might have had to know a few Supreme courst judgements.

As for Lobbyists/Lobby organizations they are not all pond scum - just saying.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I was confused by the question, omni. Thought you were merely going for the origin of the flower-in-a-gunbarrel thing, not an anniversary date. Also I was a bit discombobulated, since today is also my ex's birthday as well as my 26th wedding anniversary. I have to be VERY careful how I address the card and the gift. It's generally better to use terms of endearment rather than actual names. (Though gotta keep them straight, too.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Troll: It's Darlene Gentle and her title is Commerce Assistant to the Ambassador to Belize. Now you'll know if Palin gets it right.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 2, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Troll, don't you have some angry, scornful friends you can go chat with and distort issues and opinions to your heart's content? Nobody in here has been ugly about Palin's baby or her state or her parents. All of us are entitled to our opinion about her readiness and qualifications to be VPOTUS and if any of us get snarky from time to time, well...you'll have this. You've stepped way over the snarky line and I don't know why you're bothering with us at this point.
I think Rush Limbaugh is on right now, go turn your radio on, take a deep breath and hunker down. You'll be much happier there.

I know those 20% of married white women, they're all my friends down here in Tidewater!

Posted by: Kim | October 2, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I guess you don't have to be stupid to be an anti-intellectual. Just wrong.

Posted by: Jumper | October 2, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

And I don't need a @&@^%#* anger management class! To he11 with all of you!


p.s.
Damn it!!

Posted by: Jumper | October 2, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Mr. T seems to be other detritus in boodle dressing. He's testy for sure. I wonder if he's crusty as well?
Mmmmm.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Troll, you're sounding angry again. Are you mad at us, the Boodle, or at Palin critics more generally? To the degree that criticism of Palin comes from snobbery or classism (and some of it probably does), I agree that it's disturbing. (I find the "elitist" criticisms in the other direction equally disturbing and simplistic.) I'm also sure it's true that she's more complex character than the persona that is coming across. Isn't everyone? (Someone? in a chat yesterday? was talking about archetypes and how dependent we are on them in our political discourse. Anyone see that?) But you can't seriously be arguing that the whole reason she comes across as uninformed in her interviews is her party affiliation, can you?

Posted by: bia | October 2, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Here's a question for folks to ponder. What are the correct criteria to use for tonight's debate? I mean, what, exactly, constitutes a "win."

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 2, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

SD -- I will put cute little raddichio in crock pot this evening along your marination guidelines. Do I need to toss out a first dunking, to remove the bitter? Ya know, like throwing out the first bath of bean water to remove the bean-iness through the digestive system.

I just realized in horror that I will miss some of the first debate unless I can grab it at a bar or something. Will be waiting dutiful on CPBoy Dude to be picked up after a really long music session....sheesshhhhhh.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 2, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Suggested new name for lobbyist.

Lobbster (it rimes with mobster

Posted by: Brag | October 2, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey, TBG ('cause I think you know) -- there *is* parking in the building, right? Parking on the street around Dupont Circle on a Saturday night is awful (and on any other night, too).

Is it north or south of the circle?

Trying to figure out which way to come down.

Lemme know (or you can email me, too). Thx.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 2, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

CP, it'll be on the radio, if you're waiting in the car. Try 88.5 FM.

Padouk, what constitutes a "win" is every bit as spinnable as all the rest of it. Which is the problem.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Brag, so a lobbyist for coal would be, um, a "Rock Lobster."

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Yup... there's parking in the building next to Buffalo Billiards. I imagine there's a reduced rate for weekend evenings.

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

RD - I think the criteria varies greatly depending if we're talking about Biden or Palin.

Given the low expectations for Palin, she probably doesn't have to do too much to get a win or the very least a tie. If she is at all coherent it will be better than her recent showings.

Biden on the other hand has a much harder time. He not only has to know everything backwards and forwards and not produce any of his famous gaffes, he also has to not be seen as a pompous a$$ who's just out to take down the little lady.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Except that we all know the "winner" has been predetermined. Both sides have already written their press releases and lined up their spinners with talking points.

Palin can't lose;
Biden can't win;
Ifill was biased.

There, now you don't have to watch/listen, because that's what you're gonna hear all day tomorrow.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

A friend just now e-mailed this to me: it's Palin Bingo, a game you can play tonight as you watch the debate! Have fun! Win prizes!

http://www.palinbingo.com/

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Dear Troll - There are those of us who don't think Sarah Palin is dumb, but we are concerned that she does not have (and is not interested in obtaining) the knowledge we think a candidate for president should have. At least at this stage in her career. With McCain's age, that is a real concern. It is obvious is that Palin is ambitious, and that she thinks her career is god's plan. We've had 8 years of a president with those qualifications (and an appalling lack of interest in facts on the ground and science). I suspect that a Palin presidency might be even more like Ahmadinejad in Iran than the current administration -- long on ideology, short on desirable results. We've had faith-based foreign policy (democracy will cure everything), faith-based economic policy (the market is good, what is good for the market is good for us), faith-based governance (government is the problem, not the solution - until you have 9/11 or Katrina or the current mess).

I'd personally like a candidate that is not only smarter than I am, but prepared. One who stands a chance of meeting the challenges of the job. Reagan by the second term made me wonder which bothered me more, that he was ‘out of the loop' on things like Iran Contra, or that he knew what was going on. Looking back, I suspect it was the beginning the Alzheimers even then. Some of McCain's comments are beginning to bother me the same way.

I don't have great hopes for either candidate truly changing the system much, given of momentum vs inertia.

ps - are you sure you're not a sock puppet?

Brag - thanks for the links to Asia Times. Other boodler's might try this for an outraged viewpoint of our current financial problems. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JJ01Dj04.html

Posted by: km2b | October 2, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Good question, RD. and fair answers, Mudge. One of my problems with these "debates", all the way through the process, has been that they're not really debates in any formal sense of the word. They are a chance for the candidates to try to speak to particular issues, by answering specific questions, without anyone helping and with a time limit. They may be helpful to voters just because they offer a glimpse of whether a candidate can think and express itself clearly and quickly. However, unless there's just blank stares and dead air, I'm never sure how one computes a "win". As others have said, each side will claim victory based on their own criteria. I suppose that one might say the person who sways undecided voters (if there truly are any out there) might claim a win, but the methods for measuring that are very inexact.

"Rock Lobster" - hee hee, brag & RD. I have a friend who lobbies for health care for the uninsured and those in poverty - "Doc Lobster"? Another who lobbies for childrens' issues (now there's a thankless job) "Kid Lobster"?

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 2, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, TBG. Actually, I took my own initiative (say, maybe *I* should run for office) and called the place. The guy told me that, while there is a parking garage, it doesn't stay open late. He told me that it might be easier to park on the street and that I should maybe come early to find a place. I have found that there are usually some spots on O Street or N Street. Kinda depends on time. And remember, it's free on the streets on weekends.

And there we are.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 2, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey! I resent that implication. I had a sense of humor. Sick, twisted, but humor.

Posted by: Pop Socket | October 2, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Off to Atlanta for Parents Weekend. Everybody enjoy the IMPBH and all its ancillary activities.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Are any of the other women here insulted that Biden is expected to tread carefully because Palin is a woman?

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I bought a huge cabbage at a roadside stand yesterday. I don't know the variety but it has enough veins in the leaves to make a junkie drool. I don't like cooked cabbage ( I'm a slaw man) but I'm willing to try something new. Will the cabbage recipes above work with any variety?

My cousin is a lobbster for the trucking industry up here but probably doesn't have the influence of the US variety because our election campaigns don't last 4 years, there are spending limits, and we're not batsh1t crazy.
Sorry about the last bit. I don't know what got into me.

Posted by: Boko | October 2, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

And mudge understands a salad. Greens are the base for the real stuff. Like chips in nachos.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

In a classic debate one person would always advocate a given position while the other would oppose it. While this can happen in political debates, it typically doesn't. Instead you generally get two different approaches to solving a given problem.

This is useful, of course, but it doesn't highlight the kind of direct clash that marks the true forensics experience.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 2, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Boko, maybe a Savoy? If is tightly layered like a normal head of cabbage only bumpier and looks sort of like a brain?. If it is longer and open at the top like a Romaine, that would be a Nappa cabbage.

Both a bit soft for slaw, but it'll taste good. Savoy is ideal for delicious things wrapped in cabbage leaves, like holubtsi.

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

CP, the bitterness is not a chemical that can be leached out from the divine bud. Cooking thoroughly with a dry to semi-dry method transform the bad bitterness into an earthy good lessitterness. The red-headed endive doesn't get sweet. For the crock pot, I think I would not marinate. Halves or quartered radicchio with oil, herb, garlic and a little wine, or maybe lemon jice and water. Turn the bits often at first, add a little liquid as necessary. Cook enough so that the base is tender. It should take a while. Finocchio takes nearly 40-50 minutes of braising, it shouldn't be that different for radicchio.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Padouk, in the true forensics experience, doncha get to suddenly zoom to a close-up of the insides of somebody's body, where all sorts of yucky things start happening and gurgling and putrifying? Or have I just been watching too much "House," "Bones," and the various CSIs?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

The radicchio will turn a sort funny brown/purple if braised. The vibrant colour won't last. But that is OK, if you like that sort of thing.

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Not angry. Determined. Determined, after viewing some of your demeaning and mean-spirited comments to counter. I have not enough hours in the day to "boodle," backboodle, or snipe. Thank you, km2b, for your polite response.

DNA Girl, you suck. You literally suck.

km Et Al, it's your blatant partisan bigotry. The relentless nitpicking and catty comments about a person you obviously don't know.

Do I know Biden? I know his staffers. Do I know Obama? No one knows The One.

That is a huge part of the issue.

But when your fav is questioned, you are intolerant.

I don't see much there- no publications, little effort, no career record, 137 Presents, etc. I see teacher's pet who has never done a real thing. Most Americans have this ambivalence.

I've had it with Democrats who put on airs, until we find they "did not have sex with that women," "did not father that baby," are working class types in $3 Million mansions, and have only ONE mansion in Hyde Park (the copy). Or have a lower GPA, but talk about how smart he is.

Most of you are decently educated, well-meaning persons amongst yourselves.

But let a Christian espouse faith, a working Mom have a child, or a husband put fuel in your auto, and you have a hissy fit. Because you are totally partisan, religiously-biased, and regionally- and ethnically-biased as well.

Palin is no dummy, nor an extremist, nor a bimbo. You know that, but some snipe.

In fact, km, your rant that Palin is Ahmadinejad is ludicrous. And bigoted.

Here, you espouse a candidate who is pro-Nation of Islam, anti-Semitic, and aligned with Farrakhan Et Al.

Yet the facts are that Palin espouses an attachment to Israel.

I recognize that anti-Semitism is all the rage on campus.

It's just that whole Holocaust and your pal Ahmadinejad wanting to wipe the Jews off the planet that sticks in my craw. Plus a viable nuclear program for weapons, delivery vehicles, a sworn vengeance, and good range. And, let's see, Hezbollah.

I think you're insane to compare Palin to him.

I would hope someday your daughter got better treatment, but I am sure she will be a Democrat (unless you abort her).

Prejudice. That's what I see here. Intolerance. Palin is not intolerant of you. But she sees through people like you and Obama. One thing in Scranton, another in McLean.

Do you honestly know what people think of Washington and New York "elites?" (And most of you exude that odor, even though your IPAs come back elsewhere in many cases)

And, you exclude outsiders. I guess we are divisive. Because we don't accept Professor Platitude's lecture.

It's going to be a rough 4 years for you.

But I will agree with "I don't have great hopes for either candidate truly changing the system much, given of momentum vs inertia."

Given Obama's votes for Democratic Farm Bill subsidies for millionaire farmers and his push for the No Banker Left Behind Act, coupled with Joe MBNA Biden, it's a given they are Republicans in Democratic clothing. Nice mansions they have.

You gotta give them "credit." Ha!

Hope Biden's hair plugs don't pop out tonight. Cause, he's just such a regular guy. Some change. Oy vey. As Pearlstein said, you don't get it.

Posted by: Troll | October 2, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh, yes, dmd. But I suppose it is one of those things pre-written into the script. If he comes down hard on her, he's either mean, and whether or not he does, he'll be labeled sexist. The Obama campaign knows they can't win. The only way Biden can react is by looking baffled at any idiocy or incoherence of Palin's, sort of the non-verbalized equivalent of Hax's "Wow."

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

The bitterness is not a chemical
that can be leached out from the divine,
bud. Cooking thoroughly
with a dry to semi-dry method transforms
the bad bitterness
into an earthy good lessbitterness.
The red-headed endive doesn't get sweet.
For the crock pot, I think I would not
marinate. Halves or quartered radicchio
with oil, herb, garlic and a little wine,
or maybe lemon juice and water. Turn
the bits often at first,
add a little liquid as necessary.
Cook enough so that the base is tender.
It should take a while.
Finocchio takes nearly 40 to 50 minutes
of braising, it shouldn't be
that different for radicchio.
The radicchio will turn
a sort funny brown/purple if braised.
The vibrant colour won't last.
But that is OK,
if you like that sort of thing.

---Elizabeth Butternut Browning

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 2, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

What happened, we were talking raddicho and Colcannon and then the boodle went blank, absolutely blank of any meaning whatsoever, as the trapdoor fell underneath me and I slid way down into the bunny bunker.

Strange that nobody's talking about the debate tonight.

Oh well, colcannon IS a better topic anyway. Mmm. mashed potatoes and cabbage. How normal.

College Parkian, that in England is the same dish called bubble and squeak, I believe. Always amuses me, that name. Rira in Bethesda offers a version of colcannon with bacon, which is considerably dressier, and fattier.

I'd adore to know your bona fide auld sod version of colcannon, sans frills. Maybe we can make some cool colcannon and butter cookies while we're waiting for the roasted turkey to finish.

Darnedest thing, that turkey just wandered in, gobbling and scratching proud as you please, like God had sent it right here to be fowl.

It should be tasty when done, I put a lime-soy rub on it.


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Mudge - I've never fully understood the connection between the two meanings of "forensics", but when I was in High School the national debate society was called the "National Forensics League." Yep, for three years I was an active member of the NFL.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Troll there are meds that could help that anger and delusion as I did not see any of those arguments raised here, far from it.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I know why the boodle went blank.

"User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site."

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Wish that I could erase that post from my mind - after having read it.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

A Lobbster representing heating oil:

Lobbster Thermidor.

Posted by: Brag | October 2, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Hmm -- as to the "troll" amongst us, I may have to take a shower (except I'll bet that's elitist). I wonder if he breathes.

*shudder*

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 2, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Where's the boss? We need his little zapper thing.

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Troll,
That rant sounded like a Palindrone.
(couldn't resist it).

Posted by: Brag | October 2, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

48 hours!

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I love that, Brag.

BTW, I've got only 300 pages left to read (out of 768) of Wizard of the Crow. It is simply outstanding, and it's difficult to put down. I highly (no, make that *HIGHLY*) recommend it. I've got to get his other books.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 2, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Mudge.
You're hired as my editor. That doesn't pay much but it's in Canadian dollars. Those loonies and toonies may come handy one day.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't think either candidate will cause the other to win or lose the debate, but that each will win or lose on his or her own merit: Biden by speaking and saying too much, Palin by speaking and saying nothing. Each will advertise their fitness accordingly.

"I have always been among those who believed that the greatest freedom of speech was the greatest safety, because if a man is a fool, the best thing to do is to encourage him to advertise the fact by speaking." -Woodrow Wilson

If a man or a woman is a fool, it will be apparent in the debate. And the debate will be "won" by the one that appeals most to independent voters - or changes the mind of the open-minded. The others have already made up their minds and will choose a winner based on that prejudice.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 2, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I started to read, because I wondered if there was some reasonable engagement possible, but once I got to the accusations of sucking I stopped wondering and started scrolling.

Posted by: bia | October 2, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

It is now a matter of hours. Inexorably, Boodlers are converging on the nation's capital to participate in, promote, perfect and practice the fine art of Porching.

The Evil One has already decamped for his undisclosed and unmentionable location.

Lobbsters are running for cover.

Posted by: Brag | October 2, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"I used to live in a room full of mirrors. All I could see was me. So I took my spirit and I smashed the mirrors; now the whole world is here for me to see." Jimi

I know, it's a bit early for that. But in my case, I used to look at people and see stereotypes. I thought I wasn't but I was.

In any case, the presidential etc. "debates" aren't really debates; they may never have been; but I bet there were a few somewhere back in time. So the only answer to who "wins" is just look at an unbiased poll, if THEY exist.

Sure glad I'm not registered Democrat. I'm gonna demand Obama work like a rented mule, and raise hell over those lazy congressional slobs. And Obama: I don't need a @#$% tax cut. I live in the south and living is cheap. What I do need is a functioning stock market, a reasonable return on my 401K, a surplus for my social security, an infrastructure, no religious fanatics AT ALL; wind, solar, geothermal, and conservation NOW; and not only that, I want a lower speed limit. And a space program that's not stupid.

Posted by: Jumper | October 2, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

And a holler out to DNA girl. You rock.

Posted by: Jumper | October 2, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I give up.
No welcome mat, nice, nasty, feisty, or funny, works with this one.
It is not tasty at all. Indeed one could even describe this detritus as a floater (yanno, with high gas content?).
And to think I offered it an apology some time ago. Pthbth!

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Troll, you've claimed you've been a steady, long-time reader, but your accusations prove otherwise.

Calling us partisan, prejudiced, intolerant, citing mean-spirited comments? Go to the mirror, boy.

Posted by: CC (who's never been outside the Midwest) | October 2, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm blocked on the name of that sea novel series you keep recommending, Mudge.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

CP, this is the way my mom cooks cabbage:

Fry (a bit) 1/2 tsp cumin seeds, mustard seeds and peppercorns in some oil.
Throw in coarsely chopped cabbage. Cook without covering for a while (until the weird smell lessens). Then cover and cook until as soft as you like it. Add salt to taste. Grind some ginger, green chilies, and coconut to a coarse paste. Add it to the pot. Cook for a few minutes more. Add some "curry powder" if you want to make it a bit spicy. Garnish with cilantro and serve.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

DNA Girl does indeed Rock.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 2, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I was so upset by Troll's post that I neglected to ad my admiration for DNA girl who was subjected to a completely uncalled for attack.

Will most of you be around to live blog the debate? I will probably be switching back and forth between the debate up here and the one done there - to a political junkie this is heaven - albeit a bizarre one - but I have never claimed to be mainstream.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

That's it, Yoki, it's a brain cabbage. No wonder I didn't recognize it. I'll try it with olive oil, garlic, and balasmic vineger.
I hope using balsamic vinegar doesn't make me elitist. It's only the cheap stuff.

Yoki, could you send an email to boko999(at)hotmail.com so I'll have your address and we can set up a meet when you wend your way Ottawawise.?
*barely containing my envy MBPHwise.*

Posted by: Boko | October 2, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Misguided, Boko, not elitist. Why not just some lovely fresh lemon juice?

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

DNA Girl -- you got me on your side, too. Absolutely!

And, not just because your cabbage recipe made my stomach growl (in admiration and in hunger).

The contrast between the tantrum screams on one side, and the calm (mostly), serious (sometimes), humorous (always!), intellectual (if we're awake enough) discourse on the other side, is so striking as to evidence a parallel universe.

I hope I'm not being overly paranoid about the fantasy of the Troll coming to the MBPH and opening fire (just a thought). After all, with my feeble joints, I can neither run nor hide fast enough. Well, just a fantasy, and one that I can do without, but, well, you know. . . .

The anger and the clear and open wish to destroy anyone and anything not like you, like most anger and the wish for destruction, stems from fear. Geez, we're the least threatening people on the planet -- or at least in the blogosphere -- I can't imagine who else I'd want in my imaginary (soon to be actual) family. This guys toxicity demonstrates a *lot* of, um, unresolved issues. (yeah, ya think???) A few years of anger management therapy might help. As if. . . .

And there we are.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 2, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Mudge:

Here's the photo:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/86092351@N00/2215691957

Boston's photograph, "Flower Power," was a runner-up for the Pulitzer Prize. He took the picture at an anti-war protest in Washington on Oct. 22, 1967.

Posted by: ac in sj | October 2, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Mudge, the original clue was completely misleading

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Odd, when I was at work earlier it appeared Troll's post was zapped but here at home I clearly see it.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Troll likes philosophy and the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Posted by: Boko | October 2, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

DNA,
Some people are mean spirited and incorrigible. By hiding behind an unrecognizable identity, they expose themselves for what they are. These types are only worth knowing from a distance as a warning that they do exist.

Posted by: Brag | October 2, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

And in honor of y'all and non-violence day:
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1635

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh what a week to have so many important engagements. Missing the Canuckistani debate, but US debate partying hearty with the frostfam. Missing the Obama rally in Newport News on Saturday but going to the MBPH. Obama will be speaking at Victory Landing Park near the monumental arch built where WWI veterans landed on their return from that war. I bet Kim would be as surprised as I was to see Obama yard sides running neck and neck with McCain in Newport News. A few ticket splitters have McCain and Warner displayed so my unscientific prediction is that Gilmore is toast, putting John Warner's seat in the dem column.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry ftb.

Even the disgusting language that person used is absolutely standard-issue for right-wing blog comments (another sign of the intellectual sloth displayed on every other level). Nothing original at all. Just read Kathleen Parker's column yesterday. The exact same words, spewed over and over.

I don't think you need to fear. The essence of trolldom is to upset people and then move along.

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Mudge, that was a great radicchio poem. You have a gift, my friend, and I'm glad you use it for our benefit.

I've never been able to cook radicchio because I confuse it with Pinocchio.

I rely on the Boodle for live debate blogging; I'm not sure I'm up to watching this evening.

I continue the shout-out to DNA girl et al. I am still sad for the troll, burdened with all that ugly venom, but have nothing else to say to or about him.

Brag - Lobbster Thermidor! lovely. Lobbyists for cable opinion analysts - Dobbsters.

and I very much liked Jumper's wish list for an effective leader.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 2, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

BBs is south of D. Circle

Posted by: moni | October 2, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Why are you still waiting for the debate? It's over. It was last night. In short:

Dion did a whole lot better than the low expectations most had. He was good. If the local candidate weren't a perfidious back-stabbing narrow-minded asshat I might have been tempted to vote liberal for the first time in my life.
Duceppe was his usual very good self. It was his 6th debate as a party chief and it showed. He looked a bit tired of the role though.

Layton was is usual non-inspiring self.

May wasn't very good and her candidate in my riding is a maroon.

Harper was not at his best. What happened to the guy who came out slugging at the last debate? Can't stand his social conservatism anymore. I hear convicts smacking their lips at the thought of 14 yo in jail.

Wilbrod: Aubray and Maturin by Patrick O'Brian

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if anyone else caught this, but the Troll has twice mentioned D.C. and N.Y. elites when referring to Boodlers. As far as I recall, we have no N.Y. regular Boodlers. At least a quarter or more are all spread out across the country with a smattering of foreigners (you know who you are). As for D.C. boodlers, aren't there only like two who were born and raised in the D.C. area. My faulty memory is telling me that we are mostly from small towns and suburbs (no N.Y. or D.C. (except the two)). None of us is money wealthy, all of us work hard. We are all of us smart, kind caring people. Some of us are well educated. Even a few who are on the verge of ridiculously well educated. I have an AA degree. That's it. But I guess if I know how to make a raspberry vinaigrette I'm an elite. SOSUME

DNA Girl, yes, you totally rock

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

SCC AubrEy, cripes.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Shriek, I have often thought that if he were to change his political stripe Duceppe might be a good leader. Hard to get past that wanted to leave the country through :-).

I hope Dion can continue to change views tonight in the English debate - I am a life long liberal who is struggling this election - but seeing little alternative - voting for Harper is simply not a consideration for me.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh My
WiFi
Free
Me
Type
(not) hype

Ouch
Ouch
Troll
Roll
Smarts

Ignore
Bores (as in)
Rude
Dudes

BTW
CABBAGE (as))
(boodle) Baggage
Good (DNA-G's curry slurry)
Good (SD's hot pot)

Posted by: College Parkian | October 2, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Omni, anybody knows that "New York Elites" don't talk about gardening and knitting and the evilly seductive powers of tomatoes.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra is sitting at my desktop and laughing. I'm on the ancient laptop at the kitchen table. We come to DC tomorrow. Life is gooood.

Posted by: slyness | October 2, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Yay Slyness... life is indeed good.. I'll see y'all tomorrow, too. Woo hoo!

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

And this day shalt henceforth be known in boodle history as the Radicchio Revolution. In memory of the battle at Gazpacho, we shall bury our artichoke hearts and tears by letting off rockets at Argula.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Back in the day we grew our own lettuce, and late in a plant's life it can get a little bitter. The thing to do is wilt it in a skillet till just transparent with some tasty oil, salt, and then season with a tasty vinegar. We call it "wilted lettuce" but one can add various seasonings as desired. The vinegar, as I see it, is essential. A basic hot salad.

Posted by: Jumper | October 2, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Hello, friends. I'm here with Slyness, and anticipating meeting all of you soon. I must admit that I am a little nervous, but looking forward to a wonderful weekend. Hope to check in later after the debate.

Posted by: cassandra s | October 2, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, I will eat a cold salad this evening of raw raddichio and lots of romaine. I like raddichio raw but find it bitter for too many days of salad. Alas, CPBoy does not appreciate the beauty of bitters.

So, dear Contessa of Canada, I am eating some of it raw; SD's version will be for 3/4ths of the darling head. Do you think raddichio would chop up into decent slaw? Almonds slivered atop?

DNA-Gal -- green head of cabbage? For your mother's yummy dish?

WIlbrod -- in two weeks, ColCannon, but previewing that scallions are present. And cream. Hearty dish, but assumes that the eater is out the day long herding sheep, cutting turf or peat, bicycling to all errands....

Posted by: College Parkian | October 2, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Aha, Jumper! Wilted lettuce was a staple of my childhood but I never understood the origins until now. It makes perfect sense. In my childhood we had flowers but no vegetable garden. However, mom & dad both grew up on farms and were familiar with late-season produce and the necessity of eating it. Our wilted lettuce, made from reasonably fresh grocery-store stock, was I suspect somewhat crisper than the real thing. In addition to vinegar, my mother relied heavily on bacon and bacon drippings - cooked the bacon then wilted the lettuce in the same skillet. I associate wilted lettuce with bacon.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 2, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, we had lettuce trees this year after we let some go weeks past harvesting time. Let's say "slightly bitter" isn't the word. Would wilting those work?

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod... I love your 7:17.

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

hey slyness and Cassandra, Whoohooo.

Remember to eat a small early lunch, the burgers are delish, so save some room.

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

That calamari looks pretty delicious too.

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

We fussy children who preferred the in-offenssiveness of iceberg leaves would only consume fresh spinach as wilted with bacon atop. I believe that bacon -- easily bought in America -- was the beautiful treat dreamed about in Ireland. Potato. Potato. Potato. Dull.

And during the Depression, the meal was fried bread, in bacon grease apportioned out to last the week.

Wilbrod -- huzzah. Up the Revolution where Cabbages shall be KINGS!


And this: The effect of eating lettuce is soporific. Where does that come from? No fair wiking, googling, etc.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 2, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I second TBGs sentiments again - bravo Wilbrod

Cassandra, the only thing you have to be nervous about is nervousness itself

OK, that was bad.

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Re Omni's point, perhaps this excerpt from Mr. T's rant is relevant:

"(And most of you exude that odor, even though your IPAs come back elsewhere in many cases)"

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

As sad as I am to miss the Mega BPH that is almost mitigated by the fact that Cassandra will get to meet so many from the boodle.

Fear not Cassandra - I think those I have met are representative of all and they are truly wonderful to a person. I was very nervous when I went to a BPH, it is something very out of the ordinary for me - I am a very shy, reserved introvert. I was immediately set at ease.

My weekend involves a few hours in hockey arenas - hockey season starts Saturday for the kids, my husband is coaching one team, and assisting on the other. Tomorrow is my older daughters cross country meet - I will attend to cheer her on - her goal is to improve on last year, due to a minor abnormality in her legs she will never be a strong runner but she always tries and does so on her own initiative - so much to cheer about.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Hah, college parkian, you call that fussy? I'm not sure I saw fresh spinach. To me, it was an exotic animal. I eventually encountered wilted spinach salad but in the context of my aunt's cooking. She was renowned for her unusual dishes.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 2, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm so pleased to be stepping away from my current existence this weekend to meet up with some really great imaginary friends. Cassandra, you'll probably need some sort of receiving line.

Troll's friends must all be clones or automatons, as there's clearly an inability to rationally discuss an issue with someone on the other side of it. So very sad. The lack of experience with Other leads directly to Fear of Other, and then it's just a hop skip and a jump to hatred and anger, which conjurs images of fist holes in walls, frightened children. Who end up isolated, with no friends. Troll, it's got to stop somewhere. Let it be with you.

Looking forward to Saturday. Have a happy night all.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 2, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

this refresh rate is a major BOoO.

more on how to get to BBDC: http://www.buffalobilliards.com/dc/bbdclocation.html

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Peter Rabbit

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Don't do that Wilbrod. Pick up the seeds if the flowers were fertilized. Lettuce trees taste terrible.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

As a kid I only had the spinach that was frozen in a box and then boiled within a in of its life - the result a green slimy goop that seems to have sand still in it.

It has only been in the last few years that I have learned to like spinach (cooked in foods) or raw baby spinach in a salad with fruit and nuts and good grated Parmesan cheese.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow!! MegaBPH time! How envious I am of all of you who are attending. Please, please, please post pics and stories of the auspicious day. I want to feel as if I were there.

Posted by: Aloha | October 2, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm warming up for the debates by watching "Yes Minister" on PBS. It's my favoutite show.

Posted by: Boko999 | October 2, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, TBG. I'm still in the salad days of my youth. Speaking of old age, I feel a speech from King Leer coming on.


"Meantime we shall express our darker purpose.
Give me the map there. Know that we have presided
to dust America: and 'tis our fast intent
To guard all cares and business with our age;
deterring them from younger strengths, while we
Unburden'd crawl toward death. You sons of oilmen,
And I, our no less lazing son of Admirals,
We have this hour a constant will to languish
Americas' several dowers, that future strife
May be established now. The unshaken Obama,
Great rival in our wounded America's love,
Long in our news has made his ambitious sojourn,
And here comes to be answer'd. Tell me, my handlers,--
Since now he will divest us both of rule,
Interest of territory, cares of state,--
Which of you shall we say doth hate him most?
That we the matter of states do mutter
In soups, toothless when merit challenges patriarchs.
Republicans, speak first."

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

is there a password? by that I mean, under what name are we reserved? Will "I'm here for the Mega BPH!" suffice?

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Yoki wins the prize: world's largest brain cabbage.

DMD and Ivansmom, Montana is a great place to grow lettuces into two long seaons, spinach too. My mom read Adele Davis early on and wanted us to be healthy. She also order flour from the Seventh Day Adventists....we had very crunchy -- read bird seed -- bread. WE covets the white Wonderbread of our lunch buddies. Sigh. We did not understand her care and foresight...homemade fruit leather too....now those are sold as uber sweet fruit roll ups.

Cassandra, my stars! I am so happy to see you on Saturday.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 2, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Will we have name tags? I am terrible with just one name, but matching handles with real names...oh my, I will surely offend many, if not all.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

DNA Girl, as I said before, I scrolled on by, so I don't know the context. But, linguist that I am, I bet that even if I did know the context, I'd still read that excerpt as "even though your International Phonetic Alphabets come back..." Huh?

Posted by: bia | October 2, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

There will be Official Mega BPH and International Boodle Convention Nametags.

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Boko, you brought back memories of watching TV with my brother back home :-).

Re Govt. subsidies/earmarks:

Hacker: Nothing wrong with subsidizing sports; sport is educational.
Humphrey (pinched nose as usual): We have sex education too. Should we subsidize sex perhaps?
Woolley: Could we?

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and speaking of excerpts, the other day a colleague shared with me a couple of sentences from a student paper he was grading:

"In the first excrete, the author discusses... and in the second excrete, he..."

Posted by: bia | October 2, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I read it as IP Addresses. Creepy.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the student was referring to his thought excretion process? You know, in dribs n drabs?

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra - I'm so glad you're going to the BPH - and with slyness, no less. You all are going to have a time. I am so sorry I can't be there too.

I can't live blog the debate because the PC is in one room and the TV in another. I suppose I could watch it on the computer, if it's shown live somewhere. How do you work this thing? But I can comment on it later if nothing else.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 2, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I plan to live boodle but Ma Frostbitten's Internet connection is soooooo slow, it may not seem live. Cox cable, is that the one Mudge had so much trouble with?

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

First clue from Yoki ( unless she got it right ). I myself was thinking rabbit, but I only know Bugs Bunny.

dmd, my earliest experience with spinach is the same.I remember the sand without fondness.what the heck were they thinking packaging it that way, and furthermore what were our mothers thinking to make us eat it?

Thinking about that brings me back to Indy. ah, sweet memories of a carefree childhood. except for that spinach and frozen boxed boiled cauliflower. Blech.

But I do love 'em both today, only raw...

time for some iceberg ithink

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Omni, tis from the Tale of Benjamin Bunny, cousin to Peter Rabbit.

Here is a silly student phrase in papers I am now grading:

....visually noticing as in opposition to meerly [sic] mentally noticing...

Out to car to PU (pickup as opposed to DO which means drop off) CPBoy. Will listen in car. Home 9:30 ish and my live blogging shall commence. I can comment on the rhetorical power of clothing, etc. then. Clue me, if they change clothes between commercial breaks. In advance, I think that Joe Biden should take a clue from Barack and close shave his dwindling white candy floss hair.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 2, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I won a brain cabbage! I can die happy.

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Looking forward to meeting all ya peeps. I enjoyed the two normal BPHs I've attended. Now, the Mega--wooweeeee!
Glad to hear we'll have name tags. I'm terrible with names.

Posted by: Brag | October 2, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

DNA Girl - loved your 8:20

bia, I was confused at first (I was in skim mode), but being a sometime geek I figured it out. Anon is right: Internet Protocol Address

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Hi All!

Can't wait to see everyone tomorrow and Saturday.

I think Cassandra will have a hug line waiting for her. Or maybe just me. :o)

Will try to watch the debate and blog, but the TV is in the other room.

Posted by: Moose | October 2, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

hi!

KBert, I owe you a picture still.

I just got back from the ER w/ my little girl sporting her very first broken bone: bump fracture right above her right wrist. Her main concern is her big spelling test tomorrow. I'm glad it is not winter so I don't have to stuff her arm in a jacket.

Off to watch the debate!!

Posted by: a bea c | October 2, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Moose too! Golly. Cassandra, Yoki, Moose, aroc and the whole gang. If you have time, give me a holler Friday or Saturday nights, or both. What the heck.

Ah well. Assuming I am feeling better (and probably even if I'm not) I have a regatta to attend (Oklahoma River, y'all!) (night races!), possibly a dog show to view (note significantly less enthusiasm, marked by lack of exclamation points), the gala services to sing, and then a nice restful afternoon while the Boy continues exploring manners and formal dance (girls! what's not to like!).

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 2, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

a bea c...

So sorry to hear about your little one's wrist. I hope she feels better soon.

Posted by: Moose | October 2, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow, a bea c, please tell your daughter how sorry I am for her. Broken bones are an adventure best had by others.

I'm sure she'll do fine on the test, unless she's spelling the letters out with her arms and legs.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 2, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Howdy, Ivansmom!

Hope you are feeling better soon too.

I'm trying to get into the living room to see the debate, but there is a comfy cat sprawled across my lap and the desk who doesn't want to move.

Posted by: Moose | October 2, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

a bea c... sorry about the little girl's arm. Ouchy.

OK.. here we go...

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Am watching the live feed on WaPo's site.
Here we go!

Posted by: Aloha | October 2, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to regret this in a few hours, but I'm kinda watching but definitely taping the debate and probably checking in here every once in a while.

Posted by: dbG | October 2, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Palin asks Biden if she can call him Joe.

Posted by: Aloha | October 2, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Had to skip over a little of the last few hours but did see Mr. T's comment. I just have one comment about that. I love it when my husband fills up my car. He always leaves a little heart in our fuel log book.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Nahhh, I can't do it, can't watch it...I'll just surf and check in with you guys to see how it's going.

Frosti - I can't believe that about Frostma's Cox cable. Cox is speedy for us, but if there's a problem getting help is a bear.

a bea c - sorry to hear about your little one's break. My daughter broke her wrist playing softball when she was in 4th grade. It did hurt, but I think she enjoyed all the attention once the pain wore off!

Posted by: Kim | October 2, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

WTF, soccer games?

Posted by: dbG | October 2, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Palin is stringing together full sentences, the low expectations have been exceeded.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

That and "I'll betcha.."

Posted by: Aloha | October 2, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Astromom - can you hear it? The collective boodle "Awwwwwww..."? He sounds like a keeper!

Posted by: Kim | October 2, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Currently watching the Canadian debate - love the round table - 5 people at a circular table facing each other for the debate - add some excitement.

Also reading two other live blogs one one on each debate.

This may be way over my multitasking capabilities.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I feel like I'm going to get in trouble, like I'm talking in class or something when I post non-debate stuff.

Posted by: Kim | October 2, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I missed your 8:07 CP. Yay Yoki. Hoot Hoot.

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

The coaching seems to have paid off. Palin is sounding confident and making sense. There goes the hockey mom reference again.

Posted by: Aloha | October 2, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

sound bite!

get down to gettin' down to biznes. with all due respect!

Posted by: jumper | October 2, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Joe six pack?

a bea c forgot to say hope your daughters arm heals quickly.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

She can sure scrunch her face to punctuate lines.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

You're darn right, Jumper

Posted by: Moose | October 2, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Kim - I just wanted you to know that I also have a hard time watching the debates.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 2, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Palin's doing fine, when she's in serious mode. Guess she has been working her butt off. Every once in a while a snarky condescending tone comes through, but she's keeping it in check. Good. Makes the debate watchable. Biden is being normal, nice, sensible self.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

The charge not true! Tax, healthcare, gasoline! Obama! Wall st. run wild!

I'm a governor, gonna talk straight!

Posted by: Jumper | October 2, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

As a mayor I would love to eliminate property taxes, instead of raising them the 30% we did this year, but I can't go to the state for oil company tax revenue. We also don't get the same level of federal earmarks that Alaska does. feh

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Do they have notes with them? Anyone know?

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra's reading in bed. She's definitely my kinda person.

CP, at the mountain farmers market a couple of weeks ago, one booth had heads of cabbage bigger than basketballs. They were humongous, and $10 each. I'll bet they were worth every penny, and then some. I didn't purchase, maybe I should have.

You all keep us informed about the debate. I'd rather not be upset this late in the evening, I need to rest. Am mostly packed, and glad to hear that there will be nametags. I even remembered to charge the camera batteries.

Posted by: slyness | October 2, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, darn it! The colloquialisms are getting old already.

Did you catch the bit about how she wasn't going to answer the questions asked? It was more important for her to speak directly to the American people? Um, couldn't she do that if she were talking to the media?

Posted by: dbG | October 2, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

She doesn't like "redistribution of wealth" unless it means sending more $ to Alaska.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Paying taxes IS patriotic!

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Of course even though she sounds more polished and coherent, the content is not sensible at all. Phew. We can move the debate back to disagreement on policies.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

So gov't can't run healthcare (not that that is what Obama wants to do) but the government should regulate Wall St. So are we for regulation or against it?

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Tell me Joe Biden said what frosti just said, please tell me that!

oh good, RD, it sounds like it's you,me and Slyness with our fingers in our ears doing martooni's "la-la-la" routine.

Posted by: Kim | October 2, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

i'm liking biden

palin is on talking

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

TBG - Biden agrees with you.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Elizebeth May of the Green Party quoted from a speech PM Harper made to the American right wing Council for National Policy in 1997ish were he told the audience not to worry about our unemployed as Canada is a socialist nation.

Watching two debates is fun, confusing.

Posted by: Comrade999 | October 2, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

she said that no more tax breaks for multi-national companies, but isn't that a hallmark of their tax plan? tax cuts for businesses?

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I can't stand her "I'm so cute, don't you just love me" facial expressions. In my years in the military I saw many women try to lead this way-few soldiers were willing to follow them, even if out of curiosity.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

a bea c, sorry to hear about the little one's accident. I hope a good night's sleep will make her feel better. And I hope she does fine on her spelling test!

Posted by: slyness | October 2, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

a toxic mess on main st that's affecting wall st? did she get that backwards?

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Canuckistanis-Please give us a heads up if the "green shift" gets prominent mention, as well as our economy dragging yours down.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Count me in the la-la-la contingent. It is on in the other room but I just can't do it. I'm happy to read the play-by-play here. Soon the Benedril will kick in and I'll be asleep anyway.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 2, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Drill, baby, drill!

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Biden's eyes are the same color as the background. Looks good with his tie, too.

Didn't really care for the pinstripes on the suit though when he first came out. I don't notice them now.

OMG... "East coast politicians!"

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

question - if we were to tap into all of the oil in Alaska, would all of it actually be sold here? I was under the impression that some of it gets exported due to transportation issues.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin, how is the US going to become a leader on climate change when we're so far behind?

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Biden is being very smart. He's beating up on McCain, being normal and gracious with Palin, and once in a while he brings up something topical that she's not prepped for (e.g., some detail about McCain policy) and she stutters and refuses to address it. That veneer of knowledge seems to be about a millimeter deep. Will be enough to satisfy people like David Brooks.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

frosti Harper is still maintaining our economy is only is a slow down.

I would so love to see this format in the US debates - free for all. I do anyone being careful with Elizabeth May - treating her as another plolitician not a woman - Yea!

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Something I thought was interesting---

I'm watching the debate on PBS. Every so often, the camera angle shows the candidates from behind so you can see their notes.

Gov. Palin seems to be scribbling away much more than Sen. Biden.

Or maybe he is just better at not moving his arm so much.

Posted by: Moose | October 2, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Dion's english seems easier to understand as the debate progresses - must have been quite nervous at the start.

Next question balancing environment with economic issues.

FYI questions by viewers (on tape)

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Drill baby drill, delivered with such a cute smile and scrunched up face, she almost jumped out her fmps.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

astromom, I heard that main street to wall street, too, altho it is difficult to digest her words, she is talking faster and faster. I've been listening on live feed and playing solitaire, I just can't watch!

Posted by: nellie | October 2, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Senator O'Biden.

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Clean and eco-friendly natural gas? Whaaat?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

she's tolerant of gays.

i do wonder if biden and obama talked about the same sex benefits bit.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Don't any of you people care about Project Runway???
Don't you care that Kenley is a truly horrid human being? Don't you care that Jerell won his 3rd challenge in a row?? Don't you care that the brilliant Korto was driven to tears by the judges' comments? And what about Leanne and that random swatch of blue???
Don't you people know what's really important?
Who cares about the debate??? I'm not even watching it. I'm waiting for the SNL version this weekend. Tina Fey is a better Sara Palin than Palin will ever be!
auf Wiedersehen!!!

Posted by: Fala | October 2, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Is she slouching? It seems like she's leaning on the podium.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Gay labyrinth, Palin and Biden both fall and land on the floor, which is the Escheresque ceiling! Oh no! But they are okay! Neither loses footing at all!

Posted by: Jumper | October 2, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorta kinda watching, but I can only manage snippets. What do y'all think about Biden's big smile when she says something he disagrees with? I'm not getting a mocking/condescending vibe, but does it open him up to the accusation?

I don't know if he should have gotten his teeth quite so bleached.

Posted by: bia | October 2, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes she is so tolerant of gays she would not prevent them from visiting their partner in a hospital - such a humanitarian!

Having difficulty watching her.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

She's says eyerak or eyerakis one more time and I'll give myself a wedgie.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Watching with frostsis #1 and the gay marriage issue hits close to home. Her husband is black and she brings up the emotional issue tied to "marriage" as when they were born, and for some time after, it would have been illegal for them to marry in VA. We have decided that the state should recognize civil unions for all, performed by the state, and if people want to get married they can deal with the church of their choice. In other words, clergy would not have the "authority vested in me by the state of..."

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Fala.

Tonight's it's all debate, all the time.

Tschüß!

Posted by: Moose | October 2, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

It bugs me when Palin says Eye-Rack and Eye-Rack-ee. Am I petty or what.

Posted by: kbertocci | October 2, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Frosti... I'm with you on that. It seems a matter of semantics... is marriage something the state grants or the church grants?

Ugh.. nukular. Ugh.

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I think the Castro Brothers are playing down at the Birchmere next week!

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

And now, NUCULAR! Ack! And pandering to the Cubans!

Posted by: kbertocci | October 2, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Lucky for you SD she's moved on to Eeyeran.
Next up Eeyore

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

frosti - I'd be in favor of a plan like that, I'm just not sure how many people would go along. My husband has an even more radical plan, just get rid of civil recognition of all unions.

Sorry, Kissinger's "passion for diplomacy" has to be the best line of the night.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

They're all blathering now. I'm gonna throw up in my mouth. I can't take it anymore. I'm out, I fold. Goodnight, and good luck.

Posted by: Jumper | October 2, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

And "they hate us for our freedom!"

I don't know if I can listen to this whole thing.

Posted by: kbertocci | October 2, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm depending on all of you for debate coverage. On the way home I made it 15 seconds in before switching Mozart's 40th Symphony on the CD. Very soothing.

I can't risk the same reaction as Jumper. And I know I would!

Posted by: Fifty | October 2, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Isn't meeting with the leader of Iran considered diplomacy?

How are they going to support diplomacy if they won't consider speaking with world leaders?

Posted by: Moose | October 2, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Ouch!!! She said Eyeran and newkular as well.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope the Excedrin I took kicks in soon. My head my explode.

Posted by: Moose | October 2, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

So what's the over/under for how long its going to take to actually have a solution in Israel. Haven't we been trying for this since at least Carter? Isn't that all president's do in their last year or two?

I'll say 30 years.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Here at Chez Frostrents we are thinking Biden is keeping his facial expressions under control and they are playing very well-not condescending, just incredulous enough when necessary.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

SCC: may explode

Posted by: Moose | October 2, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is such an elitist he actually knows what he's talking about.

So it's not just gays... she loves Israel too!

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

She loves Israel, it's just too bad its inhabitant haven't accepted Jesus Christ as their saviour, yet.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Israel is my BFF. And his too. I so respect both of us 'cos Israel is our BFF. Mavericks. Change is coming. So respect you. Yeah.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Frosti, too bad you can't see the debate up here, does not seem to be any concern by any of the candidates about their facial expressions. Like a small question period.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Nucular weapons will be be all end all of too many people. Except the way we use them in our country. Wha?

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Very obvious she doesn't have a clue what the current administration's Israel policy is, and Biden is calling her on it. He said George Bush about a dozen times, saying "I haven't heard how his policy is going to be different from George Bush's."

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Does she say akmanidejad?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Is nuclear really that difficult to pronounce?

Posted by: Moose | October 2, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

If such comments hurt our cause, why is she repeating them?

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Screw this nucular stuff, I'm gonna talk about school children in Afghanistan for the rest of my time. Sweet children. yum.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Reminds me of something my daughter's Home Ec teacher said to the class last year when she explained about the Nuclear Family... "It's nuclear like a nucleus, not nucular like the bomb."

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

DNA Girl, you're cracking me up.

Posted by: Moose | October 2, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

akfasnistan now?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I think the reps have agreed to all mispronounce nuclear in the same manner so no one looks any dumber than anyone else.

Wish I could see the Canadian debate, sounds like a barn burner.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Still, she's speaking in full sentences as often as not. Gotta give her props for that.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, we need to use our nucular dominance to impose peace and good government on Eye-rak and Eye-ran.

The thing that frightens me about her is, possibly many people are accepting this bafflegab?

Also, "maybe I'm not answering these questions the way you people (with a sneer) want me to, but at least I'm being honest."

Wow.

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Bosniacs?

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

TBG - lol

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

What is she talking about NOW?

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh man I'm such an outsider and not used to how y'all operate in DC. For stuff against stuff, changin' yer minds all the time, confusing the heck outta the rest of us.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

"It's obvious I'm not a Washington insider..."

Stereo from frostsis#1 and me- "because I haven't a clue about any of what you just said."

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden would make a good president.

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

has John McCain won a war?

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

John McCain knows how to win a war? Which one did he win?

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

John McCain knows what evil is (is she seeing visions of Putin's head rearing over Alaska again?)

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

John McCain knows how to win a war? Which one has he won yet?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

So she's waiting for the pundits to tell her who said what and when.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Here. Listened in car on radio.

SP is doing better than past two weeks appearances.

On to appearance. Don't hate if you find this silly.

JB needs a haircut especially at the nape of the neck. Guess he cannot be accused of a Edwards' elite and exravagant hair cut. Blue tie is perfect, tiny,tiny pin dots add interest. Cannot tell if he had blue eyes. Lighting gives both people huge pupils.

SP is wearing restrained drop earrings but drop earrings are really new on the political stage. Interesting. Suit is charcoal grey, not black. Subtle sheen to the fabric; shoulders are fitted but intentionally built up and out. SP wore softer, natural shoulders more recently. Pin is large and with some crystals or facets to outline colors of flag.

Back of suit is an effective blunt-feminine peplum pleat. Shoes and hemline when I next get a glance.

Posted by: CParkian | October 2, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

The 10:08 comment was me.

Posted by: Moose | October 2, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Wonkette is down. Wonder what that means in the polls.

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I'm a little sad Biden isn't making any big bloopers. Can't make fun of him. Entirely too sensible. 'Course he's prolly got some stuff wrong and we'll find out tomorrow. Back to Palin.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Particularly when she starts her answers she doesn't look at the camera. It kinda bugs me. I know she's looking at her notes. But take a quick look then connect with the public.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

If Palin's ability to at least speak in complete sentences - not exactly reaching very high. Call me crazy but shouldn't that be a given for a VP.

Harper just gave Duceppe his best condescending sneer of the evening - topic his governments cuts to Arts funding. There is a picture I would like to see on the front pages tomorrow.

FYI the Canadian live blogging of the US debate I am reading (MacLeans mag) are really not impressed with Palins staying so on script (notes).

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Get outta the way guvermint. So why is she trying to go to DC again?

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

JB is a right-hand pen- holding gesturer.

SP's harm modulation reflects broadcaster training.

SP's perkyness reminds me of Ronald Reagan, but she is well a gal.

Posted by: CParkian | October 2, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Did she wink at me?

Posted by: Winkin | October 2, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

If Palin thinks education is so important, why aren't her kids going to college?

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

"I will double the the funding for the Arts Council, we will have more movies, more novels, and more fun in Canada."- Dion

'John McCain and I will end corruption and greed." -Palin

Sorry, I'm so confused.

Posted by: Boko | October 2, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

She's taking this question as a Civics exam?

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

What? Constitution allows for more authority for the VP? Working with the Senate? Has she read the Constitution?

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Palin: I'm making lame attempts at jokes, 'cos I got nothing else. Please laugh, I'll take mercy laughs (audience obliges). I'll support McCain, like a good little assistant with whatever, 'cos I know how to work with ya!

Plug for children with special needs. Kudos for that.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Founding fathers allowed flexibility?

She wants to be the next Cheney. Run away!!

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Founding fathers were wise. Lotta flexibility in there. Attributed to. As a mayor, regulator, executive. OK, she's completely lost her grip on sentences by now.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

SP's ARM modulation.....little hand talking at all.

SP's hair is interesting: constructed soft sexy soccer mom, but more like a stay at home mom than a professional mom. The top is teased...wow, teasing may be making a comeback. Who knew. The back is softly French braided, rather than a top knot of the past week. Meant to look like she does her hair herself. Bet she has a bit of help to get the teasing smooth on the back. French braiding by self is tricky too.

Once swipe of hair highlight on the right hand side is a bit pronounced,

Posted by: College Parkian | October 2, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Biden made a gaffe. Article 1 is the legislature.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Was out for the afternoon and evening, watching debate on CNN with the, er, interesting Uncommitted Ohio Voter Man and Woman React-o-Meter graph scrolling along the bottom of the screen.

So far Biden seems to be a little overflowing with facts and numbers and has referred to himself in the third person a couple of times (always a yellow flag for me). Bosniac *was* a good one, TBG. Having said that, it seems like Palin was regurgitating phrases with a low level of comprehension during the economic and foreign policy sections.

Oops, Palin threw out a "There you go again, Joe."

Did she just say that "No Child Left Behind" was *not* working? *That'll* get the Bush Administration behind McCain/Palin.

Er, I see some Dick Cheney in Palin's comment about the Veep having more involvement in Congress. Isn't there supposed to be a separation between branches? Do I hear organ music? Oh, I see Ifill's asking for clarification on that.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 2, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

DNA Girl... the only reason she has any interest in children with special needs is because she has one. If you'd asked her 12 months ago, she wouldn't have had such an interest.

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Biden is giving her a lesson on what a VP is and does. Guess they ran out of time to prep her on that important job definition.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I can't watch any more of it. What I do note, however, is that Palin is relying heavily on notes (script?), and Biden looks down rarely. He knows his stuff. She doesn't. But the bar has been lowered so much below sea level for her that to stand upright would be a win.

Also, at the beginning, when she blurted out "Can I call you Joe?" to me she sounded like she was 12 years old, going to her first big girl party. Not very classy at all. The presumption here *should* be that you're already a grownup. Behave that way.

a bea c -- give the girl a bountiful boodle kiss from us all for the boo-boo.

Gonna go empty the dishwasher now.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 2, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

exceptionalism ?

(firefox doesn't recognize it as a word)

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

as an executive, mayor, oil&gas regulator and mom, I ....
failed?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

She did! She did wink! I'm confused about what it means, but I know it means something.

Also, in her answer about Israel and what a good friend she is to it, there was some code which I recognized but could not decode.

Scary. Really frightening.

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Palin just attributed "shining city on a hill" to Reagan, as if he said it first. I think I'm going to vomit.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Shining city on a hill, beacon of hope, perfect ideal, hope, light, mom, apple pie, WORLD PEACE, Yeah!

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh, TBG, that is harsh. Who knows?

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Fun for later.
"What's missing from this election? Molly Ivins"
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/10/03/molly_ivins/

Posted by: Boko | October 2, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Biden choked up about his boys. Palin wasn't quite sure what to do after. Took her a second.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Who needs to watch the debate, I am getting all my info from the boodle.....but Please can someone comb or cut Mrs. Palins bangs....they are driving me nuts......

Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 2, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

SP's shoes MIGHT have a red cast to them Wow.

SP is hitting lots of rhetorical bells; the perkiness seems very authentic. She looks like she is having fun.

Biden has more gravitas. Not sure that the gravitas always works. But, I hope that our country mood will respond to the gravitas.
SP's perkiness and smile and nose scrunch might land well...like Shirley Temple in the Depression.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 2, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Palin just spoke of tolerance and equality - how is it that gays would be excluded? Simply being able to visit your partner in hospital is not equality.

Laughing at McCains diverse group!

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Biden is taking down the Maverick label. Finally. I was wondering when the Obama/Biden campaign would do that.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Given who's uttering them, I'd love to dump on pronunciations, but I just can't.

Iraq, OK, given that it's a word of foreign origin, the "eyerak" pronunciation is a symbolic distancing of oneself from the way those scary foreigners pronounce their own name, so I can see taking some meaning out of that.

But overall, we all know that pronunciation varies by region and social group. We all pronounce lots of words differently than they're spelled, because spellings are fixed and language changes. (How many of you put a "k" in "knee"?) So, yes, I say nuclear. But pronouncing it "nucular" is actually a very reasonable and regular kind of linguistic change. It's called metathesis (two sounds change places), and it happens because all languages like to have consonant onsets for their syllables, and this way the last syllable gets one. It wouldn't surprise me if that pronunciation eventually became the standard one, but for the time being, it's just a regionalism. It doesn't reflect anything about any individual's intelligence, though, any more than whether or not they pronounce a difference between "merry" and "marry" (Weingarten to the contrary).

Posted by: bia | October 2, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

CP - what channel are you watching? I've got CSPAN on and about the only view I'm getting is a split screen of their faces.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Bangs, GWE, here is what is up with that. SP is a woman of a certain age and bangs hide the brow's furrows.

Also, she is channelling with her hair style:
Marlo Thomas from That Girl
Sally Field from many places including Gidget.

I want to flip her hair into the Mary Tyler Moore flip.

Posted by: CParkian | October 2, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Palin:
We are the mavericks, my friends
And we'll keep on fighting dems repubs 'til the end
We are the mavericks
We are the mavericks
No time for guvmint bums
Cos we are the mavericks of the worrrrlllldd

Biden:
Uh, NOT.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Yoki... from what I understand, Palin cut funding for schools for special needs kids as governor.

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

There you go again, bia, getting all descriptive over prescriptive again.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I so wish we could have a split screen of Elizabeth May speaking and Sarah Palin - not the ideas but the mannerism.

May is a politician - Palin a talking Barbie doll really makes me ill.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Come on CP. Cindy has got to have introduced Palin to the wonders of Botox by now. :)

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

MSNBC and PBS

Gwen I's turquoise is lovely with her black shirt. GI and J Lehrer....go PBS; thank God no Wolf Bllitzer

Posted by: Cparkian | October 2, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

"This is such an honor for me because I'm in no way qualified to be here! Wow.. this is neat-o."

Posted by: TBG | October 2, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

wtf? what is her closing statement about?

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Fight Fight Fight

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

TBG- that funding cut was incorrectly reported. My understanding is that because of an accounting change the money was in a different budget category and when people scrambled to take a look at her record they saw the disappearance but not where it reappeared.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Such an honor, got to meet y'all. I like to answer these tough questions without the filter of the mainstream media. So yes, I know what the hurts are and joys are and
I'm proud to be an Amerriicaaann
'cos back in the day men and women were free
And John McCain is such an awesome leader
he'll bring us all WORLD PEACE!

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Not as much to say about style about JB....silly, but I's waiting to see the shoes

Posted by: CParkian | October 2, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

tee hee hee, thank you thank you hey howareyou, tee hee hee,

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Floyd R Turbo.......Merican

And she scares me!!!

Posted by: Floyd R Turbo | October 2, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Yup, that's me, frosti. I've been thoroughly indoctrinated. Don't think there's any going back now.

Of course, all of that isn't to say that it might not be smart to avoid stigmatized forms (however reasonable or regular) when on the public stage looking to gain a position of authority.

Posted by: bia | October 2, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

David Brooks:
I am amazed. I thought she was every bit as equal as Biden. She held her own with Biden on foreign policy etc.

Palin: Squeeeeeellll, OMG, OMG, OMG, I WIN. Take that Katie Couric!

We are now witnessing the miracle of lowered expectations. Ain't it grand?!

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

That giggle might seal up the white male vote where McCain is already ahead, but you know what, white males are not the majority of the electorate any more baby cakes.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

OK, so I've still got CSPAN on and they're showing the candidates and their families milling around. I wish the sound was still on. Biden was talking with Father Palin (well I guess not Palin but her dad) and Palin was talking with Mrs. Biden. The baby is being passed around. And both the families are being introduced to Gwen I. The oldest Palin daughter doesn't seem to be attendance. And Biden only has female family members with him.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

SP's suit is a satin broadcloth, very fine weave. The shoes are red, indeed but closed toe. Very high heels, which she is quite comfortable walking in.

Wish little baby boy was home sleeping and in soft sleepers not the khakis and plaid jacket. Sigh, but I was very home bound by choice in those evenings. Babies a bed at 8; me not long after....

SP beat the odds. Wonder what conservatives who have called for her to back out will say now.

Posted by: CParkian | October 2, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

What happened to Gwen I. She's on crutches.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what to make of Palin's winking at the camera. Can you imagine Cheney doing that?

Oops, she said "Main Stream Media."
Does she think that Obama's going to go away if she says it two more times.

She's quoting Reagan. Hmmm.

Mild closings.

Hey, that's some suit she's wearing.
Can't see the shoes, but they have very spiky heels, not too tall. Biden's outfit went well with the background and his eyes, as pointed out previously.

Overall, I'd say no one lost and both were only mildly evasive at points, but Biden covered a lot more ground and was reasonably convincing.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 2, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

hi, all. great live blogging.

i think gwen i. broke her ankle a few days ago.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 2, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I think I saw JB's shoes on the WaPo feed. The look like well used but nice square-toe leather lace-ups. Hand-made even, maybe. Bespoken shoes a real possibility. I envy that.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow, first VP debate that didn't put me sleep. Wow. It was almost a debate for real.

Winner by a wide margin: Gwen
Second place: A quiet audience
Third place:
last place: everyone else talking about it on TV now

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Eerily prescient LIFE magazine cover from 2004 with John McCain and ... Tina Fey!

http://pdnedu.blogs.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/02/tinafeymccainlife.jpg

Posted by: Fifty | October 2, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

No, but it's a sop to sanity, dmd.

Best moment probably was when Palin pulled out that "a lot of fingerpointing at the past" (Biden smacked that down with "the past is prologue, and schooled her on what Bush had been doing for Israel's safety so far.)

I quit watching soon after the pundit crack and what America really wants. Listen up, I'm fairly sure you have no idea what Yellowstone wants, or the Ozarks want, nor what the cornfields in Iowa want.

AMERICANS want many things, and mostly what they really want is money in their pockets, gas in their tanks, doctors that don't bankrupt them, and a future. That's not partisan stuff. What they DO disagree on is how to get there and how much equality of opportunity matters.

Joe kept his cool, but I could see the rilin' up. CBS has the split screen, ABC and NBC doesn't. I was watching on 3 channels.

So my impression:

a) Palin was really incoherent at the start but straightened up a lot. Unfortunately she showed some of her true nature.

b) Biden knows McCain far better than Palin does. This should be clear to anybody who doesn't have his head in the ground. I tended to believe Joe over Palin.

c) I agree with TBG, Biden looked presidental. I can sleep easy knowing Obama did pick the best guy he could find to be on his ticket.

d) I wasn't sure about the notetaking, but I thought perhaps Palin had a laptop or large PDA and was using a stylus on it to click on talking points.

Her introduction was incoherent but once she settled on the podium, she did better, except when she wanted to do all those off-the-cuff nonanswers which I found incoherent and saccharine. I have my suspicions.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

The Canadian candidates are still going at it. Lots of stamina neede, it's a big country. Joe and Sarah had the intensity going though. (Canada is standing between Alaska and the lower 48s, should we worry about that?)
I think Sarah was fadin a bit at the end though.
great actres for remembering her lines, smiling at the right place and all that. Presidential material, not really.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

CP, me too, only the babes were abed around 6:30/7:00 (northern nights, don't you know) and me by 7:30/8:00 (to this day).

TBG, all I know from having been in local government is that there are all sorts of reasons to be against a specific funding bill, none of which need have anything to do with the fundamental cause.

Could be that people are asking for money from an envelope not open to them. Good management means transparent dealings among the various envelopes. So sometimes we make a choice not to fund something we believe in, because we don't have the cash.

I'm not saying that Palin is in this situation, only that we don't know.

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

SD -- thanks on the shoe thingie. I like old mens shoes, well made but polished.

JB was better on the facts and the issues; less rhetorically sucessful thought save for earnestness. Hope we (USians) are listening.

SP was much better on the homespun- buzz words that RING, RING I tell you, and reverberate in many places.

She is also authentically Jacksonian: she comes by those you betchas and well there, hold on, etc honestly. I talk that way sometimes, but without the vowels. My students think I am a hoot.

Posted by: CParkian | October 2, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Gwen broke her ankle the day before the debate. And you know all that pain and agony probably made her biased toward the Obama camp and she's milking it for all she can for the sympathy vote.
Damn those crafty Democrats!

Posted by: Fala | October 2, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

C-SPAN on line was dismal, disjointed and a disappointment, a techno-failure that gives me little to support my analysis of the debate. The boodle run-on critique was similarly disappointing.

First, Palin was very good. If unconvincing, that is my personal prejudice

Second, Biden did run-on as forewarned.

Lastly, the boodle critique was inane for the most part - and the fashion analysis a sad commentary on the priorities of contemporary society.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 2, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please!

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Gwen Ifill picked great questions, as I knew she would, did let the candidates go off on tangents a little but kept them reasonably herded and actually answering some hard questions.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

My goodness Shiloh. I am DandyLion's eyes on the boodle. We all serve each other a bit. I'll assume you are overtired.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 2, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Getting old and grumpy out there Shiloh?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I plead guilty: everything *I* said about the debate was unquestionably inane. I found comfort in reading others' similar comments posted simultaneously. It was amusing but not constructive or educational. Oh, well.

Posted by: kbertocci | October 2, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I won't. I presume that if Shiloh finds us fawning and simpering and disappointing and inane, he'll schlep off elsewhere to a site more suited to his refined taste.

Or not.

But nobody here needs to accept his judgement unless they want to. I'm done with subtle bullies.

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Palin had already done her job by securing the religious right. That her head didn't explode during the debate is just icing on the cake for McCain.

Posted by: Boko | October 2, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh, I do agree that she did well on many points where she clearly prepared. The conservatives will love much of what she said. The undecided voters leaning conservative might like it too.

Mostly, though, she did the sizzle, not so much steak.

I thought Biden did well.


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Boko, boko, boko. Are you being inane again?!

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Shiloh, the fashion analysis was attempt on my part to stay on Kit.

But Palin and Biden didn't dress and wear all that makeup for nothing, did they? Don't we owe them an acknowledgement of their fashion and visual style efforts?

bc

Posted by: bc | October 2, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Boko--but she looked at the camera! And her face was flawlessly made up!

And yes, no being mean tonight, Shiloh.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

KB, I guess that the most important event is that SP held her own when two groups did not think she would comport herself:

powerful conservative voices

many firm Dems.

As a human being, I am very glad to see no train wreck. I will vote OBama/Biden, but do not want any person to stumble painfully in front of us all. So, good on that.
====
In the AM we should all read FactCheck.org to narrow in on the truth of the claims.

Posted by: CParkian | October 2, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Just tossing out tidbits while I catch up -

The "best" lettuce in the world has little more nutritional value than iceberg. It's lettuce, folks. Don't get too excited about it. Feed your rabbits whatever type you like, and don't try to live on it (exclusively, anyway) yourself.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 2, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Me too, totally inane or perhaps insane. In keeping with Madam Palin's drivel, I thought.

I swear, if she had said anything of substance, I would've given her props for it. But she didn't. We're going to hear about how well she did from everyone else anyway. Let us enjoy a moment of honesty, circle jerk though it may be, for a bit?

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

SD, I heard that too. I thought it was me and my bad ear (but k is a hard consonant so...). I also thought I heard it with a b (abmanidejad)

again me bad ears (or not)

I'm skimming here. and ready for bed. three bottles of wine will do that to me. I'm an elite Wino.

Relax folks, they're the little ones. 187ml ( about 6 ounces.

OK time to get back on regular schedule, so I'll be turning in shortly. Catch up in the AM and see you all fortunate Boodlers tomorrow PM.

Query: Does Buffalo Billiards have a Billiards table?

And once again I've lost my place (I'm missing out on at least on Kit and a Boodle and a half. from last week)

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

And simpering too. I think forego passing a fawn.

Posted by: Boko | October 2, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

I am off all enjoyed your comments.

Shiloh, to me Palin is no different than Bush, all folksy charm and not substance - that bothers me and as a women her style offends me, her hairstyle, clothes mannerism the whole shooting match. The cute, coy woman who bats her eyelashes to get her way - offensive.

Posted by: dmd | October 2, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Subtle bullies, Yoki? I didn't think there was any subtlety, just a frank response to that kind of inanity. You inevitably cast a sexist shadow over comment, but that may be a failing of the profession and inability to keep up.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 2, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

More than well, actually.

Risin' up, back in Scranton
Did my time, took my chances
Went the distance now I'm back on my feet
Just a man and his will to survive
So many times it happens too fast
You trade your passion for glory
Don't lose your grip on the sins of their past
You must fight just to keep them alive

It's the eye of Joe Biden
It's the thrill of the fight
Rising up to the challenge of our rival
And the last known survivor
Stalks his prey in the night
And he's watching us all
It's the eye of Joe Biden

Face to face, out in the heat
Hangin' tough, stayin' hungry
They stack the odds still we take to the street
For the kill, with the skill to survive

It's the eye of Joe Biden
It's the thrill of the fight
Rising up to the challenge of our rival
And the last known survivor
Stalks his prey in the night
And he's watching us all
It's the eye of Joe Biden

Risin' up, straight to the top
Had the guts, got the glory
Went the distance, now I'm not gonna stop
Just a man and his will to survive

It's the eye of Joe Biden
It's the thrill of the fight
Rising up to the challenge of our rival
And the last known survivor
Stalks his prey in the night
And he's watching us all
It's the eye of Joe Biden

It's the eye of Joe Biden
It's the eye of Joe Biden
It's the eye of Joe Biden
It's the eye of Joe Biden

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, the "Daily Show" writers read the Boodle.

Jon Stewart just quoted some of the Bloodhound Gang's "Fire, Water, Burn" lyrics in reference to the economy and the Senate vote on the Bailout package.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 2, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Can I go Off Topic Off Topic?

PR! done
VPD! done

yeah

How about me recommending a great movie again?

For horse lovers and movie fans: Flicka.

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

And that's how Joe Biden looked, Dandylion. Laid back as a tiger.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Ooh, my friend Flicka is a great book.

I'd recommend Phar Lap too as a movie about racehorses. And of course, the Black Stallion movie, classic.


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 2, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

"shadow over comment?" What do you mean, Shiloh?

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Alright, a quick summary then off to bed.

Generally I thought the debate was Eeh. Neither took a header but one didn't blow the other out of the water either. Not really any unexpected answers and some of the same he said/she said stuff that McCain and Obama went after each other with at the first debate. Biden had a better presence about him but he's an old hand at this right. I do wish someone would have pressed Palin on the regulation question early. She just didn't answer.

I was concerned with Palin's interpretation of the Constitutionally allowed powers of the VP. Not a fan of the Cheney VP model. Of course I don't see either Obama, and particularly not McCain, letting the VP be a puppet master so maybe not as much to worry about. But still, one should know the confines of one's job.

And as a Dem it was nice to see Biden question the Maverick label for McCain.

Finally, I was glad Ifill asked about how they saw themselves fitting into their respective administrations. I however would have liked to have seen that question posed to both Presidential and VP candidates in a setup like the Newleywed Game. Have Obama and McCain write their answers down on a card, and then have Biden and Palin give their answers out loud and see if they match.

Night all.

Posted by: astromom | October 2, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

i like inanity. i have too little of it in my life. and cp's analysis of the visuals was one of the least inane parts, actually. deconstructing the visual message. reconstructing the cultural context.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 2, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe a recipe, Omni.

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I'll have too look for that book Wilbrod, Thanks for the mention

Posted by: omni | October 2, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Driving by...The first five minutes of the debate, like a soccer match, set the tone for the scrum. Overall, I'd call it in favour of Sen. Biden. His responses were succinct: the response to the withdrawal of troops from Iraq presented a plan, in contrast to Gov. Palin, who rambled; Sen. Biden's response to raising children as a single parent will resonate; and, his response to the duties of the VP's office as designated by the Constitution was a more succinct response to Gov. Palin's point that the Constitution afforded great flexibility in that regard. I don't think that the debate did much more than solidified the candidate's respective bases.

Posted by: jack | October 2, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Now on kit: I know nothing of Kenley, nor of reality TV. The closest I get to the latter is Overhaulin'. The O/H crew swiped a bus from John Force and gave it the Foose treatment. I wouldn't touch anything John Force owns for fear of becoming a greasy smudge.

Posted by: jack | October 2, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Noooooo,,,not the "eye of Joe Biden" tune cootie! (nicely done though :-)
Must prep for class tomorrow. Over and out.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

I enjoyed the inanity - that's why I come here. I was laughing out loud at "Bosniacs" - Joe, Joe, Joe. I couldn't sit and watch it all - got distracted by work a bit - did she say, "Say it ain't so, Joe"? Or did I make that up? What was up with the question about their weakness, their Achilles heel? Palin turned it into her assets - or did I misunderstand (I'm very tired).

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 2, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Thanks everybody for the liveblog. I caught a little on the radio from the airport. Went and saw my son's fraternity. Messy and chaotic. He's fitting right in.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 2, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Sarah is highly trainable (*sigh in envy* says this DdB owner). What are her real views of the world?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 2, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

DNA girl-it's just "out" never "over and out." (nothing personal, just makes me peevish)

Time to call it a night here. It will be interesting to see what the morning papers have to say. I think the ball was left on the line of scrimmage but Obama still has possession. Toodles and fondue.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 2, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

"AMERICANS want many things, and mostly what they really want is money in their pockets, gas in their tanks, doctors that don't bankrupt them, and a future. That's not partisan stuff. What they DO disagree on is how to get there and how much equality of opportunity matters."


Wilbrod - re: your 10:49 - amen.

DNAGirl, College Parkian, astromom et al - thanks for the running commentary - helped with watching the debate. I quite enjoyed it. No need to have the oh-so serious commentary here - lots of other talking heads on tv for that.

I'm glad Palin held her own. I hope that people won't be too distracted by the fact that she could speak in complete sentences and actually pay attention to the content of said sentences.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

CP,
Since you are a distinguished costumer, I appreciated your narrative on SP's fashions.

I'm watching the ABC wrap-up. Can't wait to see who George Will thinks won.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 2, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Ok. Out.
And out, out damned tune cootie!

Wonder how "over and out" came into my head?


Posted by: DNA Girl | October 2, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I thought the debates were fantastic. I'd pay good money for streetside seats to see either of them running in Pamplona.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 2, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Rodger Dodger
Over and out?

Posted by: Boko | October 3, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Factchecking is already in.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/debate_fact_check

Biden made a rhetorical point when he said that 5,000 tax cut would go to pay insurance. Point being, that's not enough for the average cost of insurance in this country, and doesn't help people who have problems affording the copays for serious illnesses.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Deconstruction, whether by casting shadows or fashion comment, reconstructs being into existential nothingness. It is meaningless and ineffectual to the voter who responds to the visceral and not to the meme. And that, as history shows, is proven by the majority rule of democracy - whether right or wrong.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

I think you misused meme, Shiloh. I would certainly say "Drill baby Drill" is a meme.

One could argue that politics is all about the memes. And I didn't understand your first sentence at all. Deconstruct it, please?

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Shiloh - That word, you use it, but I'm not sure that it "memes" what you think it means.

Successful "memes" are, rather by definition, only those ideas that have become reasonably well integrated into common thought, so that reactions to them are somewhat visceral.

"Socialized medicine", "intelligent design", "Wall Street bailout"... In theory these are just intellectual concepts, competing with others out there in the brain space, but you'd have a hard time convincing me that many folks aren't reacting to them in a pretty visceral manner.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 3, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

I could also say I've heard enough of this "pander to the lowest common denominator" and that other people will vote on gut, not facts.

I submit that:

1) people vote on the information available to them, and that
2) their emotions form a part of that information.
3) Nobody likes being manipulated against their natural inclinations.

Or, to put it in meme form:

There may be a sucker born every minute, but even a broken clock is right twice a day, and you can't fool everybody all the time, and America wants fewer big words and more soccer moms playing hockey on Main Street.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Wilbrod - On the other hand, I thought that Shiloh's first sentence was a perfectly valid observation about the danger and/or pointlessness of micro-analysis of every word/pronunciation/gesture/body language tic in political discussions.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 3, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

But casting shadows? Yoki asked for the context.

This must be an allusion or meme I'm not familiar with, because all I can think of is a cattle call to cast the lead for "The Phantom Ink Blot: The Opera".

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

I keep wondering whether US retirees taking the semi-mandatory Alaska cruise realize there's something called British Columbia between Seattle and Ketchikan.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | October 3, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

shiloh, you're the one twisting words into nothingness now.

deconstruction looks for cracks in the narrative and their underlying meaning. this is the stuff of the visceral.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 3, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

And that meme, Wilbrod, may be the same self-defeating cultural phenomena that elected GWB twice and that can elect McCain/Palin. It is the meme that helped to create the Third Reich, it was resistance to that cultural mindset that defeated the meme of the time (and the meme "genome" - to use Dawkins - is evolutionary, not revolutionary)

Yoki's need for context is within my original context, that she abbreviated, and is inherent in her posts of posterity that formed my sense of the person and opinion. She is what she is. That is not critical, but simply observation. Like Voltaire, I defend her right, although I may find it disagreeable.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

L A Lurker: If you think that the stuff of the visceral deconstructs meaning rather than taking it on face, then deconstruction becomes meaning...and your twist loses real elections.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

It's late, and I'm tired, but I have to post. You guys are all wrong thinking Biden is some kind of intellectual freak. I watched with my 15 year old and it was clear. Joe's a Golden Retriever. He was so cute. When (it was rare, admittedly) SP screwed up, or left him an opening, he began to get the "dog excited" look and waited for his chance to run with the ball.

We kept waving at the TV and shouting "good dog" to him all evening. My 13 year old called it. "He's adorable."

Posted by: Wheezy | October 3, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

'L A Lurker: If you think that the stuff of the visceral deconstructs meaning rather than taking it on face, then deconstruction becomes meaning...and your twist loses real elections.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 1:34 AM '

?? Excuse me? I'm out of my league, here, obviously.

Posted by: Wheezy | October 3, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

I know the meme of good dog is bltch. That's not a synonym, but a fetch word. Right, Yoki?

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 2:07 AM | Report abuse

Wheezy, he's been in the Senate a long time and knows foreign relations.

He doesn't have to be an intellectual freak, he simply has to be interested and competent in the job he's held for so long. And he is. And yes, he is very energetic.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

How about the backhanded complement Krauthammer handed to Obama this morning?

Thinking of intellect and temperament, Biden has the sort of outgoing personality that Obama still has to work at--he still gets called "aloof" (British ambassador, according to the Telegraph).

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | October 3, 2008 6:22 AM | Report abuse

morning all. I broke down to familial pressure and fired-up the old furnace. I have to admit it was getting clammy in the house.
All the media are busy deconstructing the debates this am. Not much interesting stuff to report.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Dobroe utro, Boodlers.

Wearing fur-lined helemt this morning makes me thing in Russian.

Flying cover for boodlers converging on DC.
Krauthammers headline surprised me.

Off we go into the frosty sky.

Posted by: Brag | October 3, 2008 6:50 AM | Report abuse

I'm on dawn patrol today. Heading for the airport.

Posted by: Yoki | October 3, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

What a weird night for TV! I was channel surfing and "Desperate Housewives" was on one channel; "Lost" on another. Then I figured out I was watching the debate.

Posted by: Joe Mayo | October 3, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. I missed the debate. I was in the bed reading one of Slyness's many books. She has books everywhere.

Mudge, Scotty, Martooni, morning to you, and to all.*waving*

I think because expectations were so low for Mrs. Palin, if she opened her mouth, someone was going to say, excellent. I thought, it was pretty low to compare Biden to a dog. I don't know the man personally, but even in the forum he appeared in last night, one would have to say that comparison was pretty harsh. The political process isn't pretty at times, and most Americans don't pay close attention. And if they did, many would still be lost. I am.

I am getting closer to my destination. I want you guys to lower the bar, so that by me showing up, expectations are met. I am really looking forward to meeting my virtual friends. Come prepared to write. In a new setting the hearing is less.

Have a great day, folks. It is chilly here, but promising to be a great day.

Posted by: cassandra s | October 3, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Boodle. Wheezy, I love the golden retriever image. Safe travels to all MBPH travelers!

Posted by: bia | October 3, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

So Wachovia done left Citi at the altar and eloped to California, taking off in a stagecoach!

The merger makes such good sense that it should seemingly have happened earlier. If only Wachovia hadn't gotten involved with The Girl of the Golden West (urp, that's Puccini).

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | October 3, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

CNN this morning had an expert analyzing the difference between Palin's winking and Biden's face rubbing.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 3, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

We whipsawed our necks to catch Erin Burnett on NBC this morning mention--ever so briefly--that news had come across the desk that Wells Fargo had acquired Wachovia. Whhaaaaaa?

I ran--and I do mean ran--upstairs to get online and check the NYT (Dash's continued reporting). See the Washington Post also has the story. Apparently, Wachovia (?board?) didn't approve the deal with Citibank made just four days earlier.

The info network (I'm being purposely vague) yesterday shared an article written by reporters David Enrich and Matthew Karnitschnig at the Wall Street Journal and published Sept. 30 about just how close the deal was last weekend, with Wells Fargo seemingly being the lead contender at the start of the weekend to acquire Wachovia. This WSJ duo's 1,934-word reporting was fascinating reading yesterday afternoon--and very detailed. Don't know if I can get the link to it to share here.

A huge surprise this morning though.

Posted by: Loomis | October 3, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Dang interwebz... Had a very cogent, entertaining comment that disappeared into the ether.

Anyway. Cassandra, we have a bit of experience with pen and paper at BPHs, so we should be good tonight. :-)

*really-quick-but-even-really-er-happy-cuz-it's-a-MBPH-TGIF Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 3, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Good thing I went to find gas this morning, the tire pressure was low and I had to take care of that too. Of course I overfilled and then had to bleed. And the cover on the spare? I'll spare all of you my thoughts there.

Thanks for the running commentary, folks, I do appreciate it. Good to know that Biden looked presidential.

Gotta go pack lunch and get ready to pick up GFofSofTBG.

Posted by: slyness | October 3, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

g'morning boodle! Missed out on a 21 degree morning at Chez Frostbitten this morning so all my flowers will be green slime when I get home. It was nice to have them through all of September, but it is a worry to see our first hard frost come so late in the year.

Off to read Charles K., that headline is just too intriguing to skip today.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 3, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

There's been talk about SP and her FMPs. Shoes, I know about.

Mostly, SP wears comfortable heels, either pumps or slides. Tall, but nothing racy. But once, she wore a pair of red peep-toe pumps. These. Note the description.

http://www.endless.com/Naughty-Monkey-Womens-Double-Dare/dp/B0018AMB1W

Now here's a quick half-way decent primer on FMPs. Note which shoe most closely resembles her choice.

http://www.thefashioncult.com/2006/07/fabulous-fmps.html

Am I an aficionado or a connoisseur? Not sure, but Sarah Palin is neither.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 3, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

*sending good road trip vibes to slyness, cassandra, and all of the other attendees of teh MBPH*

TGIF, boodle! I'll be off with the band on Saturday. Don't have too much fun.

Posted by: jack | October 3, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Completely off topic, but for any fans of the old Washington Senators baseball team, their former shortstop, Eddie Brinkman, died.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/02/AR2008100203848.html

He was part of one of the worst trades in baseball history, at least from the Senators' perspective.

Posted by: pj | October 3, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the visuals on last night's debate. The only one I got before reading the boodle came from my son, "She's wearing a black dress above her knees. She's hot."

One thing I noticed about Palin's speech mannerisms is that she has a habit of kissing the roof of her mouth with the tip of her tongue. I've noticed this gesture is most common among cute women and teenage girls. (Cute = small, attractive)

Later today, my father will undergo open heart surgery. I will be afraid to answer the phone as I know every time it rings, I'll get that empty, vacuum like feeling in my chest.

Posted by: DandyLion | October 3, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Sorry I missed the live Boodling during the debate, though I fear my own contributions would have jacked up the "inane" dial to about 11. You all know how much I love the deep, thoughtful analysis and eschew the wise-ass snarky remark. That said, I'm deeply disappointed Caribou Barbie did as well as she did.

MegaBPH Weekend is upon us! I am so jazzed.

And I may have found another pome:

We fussy children
who preferred the in-offenssiveness
of iceberg leaves would only consume
fresh spinach as wilted with bacon atop.
I believe that bacon
-- easily bought in America --
was the beautiful treat dreamed about
in Ireland.
Potato. Potato. Potato. Dull.
And during the Depression,
the meal was fried bread, in bacon grease
apportioned out to last the week.
Up the Revolution where cabbages shall be kings!

--William Butler Eats

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 3, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

LIT, thanks for your shoe analysis.

Very sublte - I'm giggling over here.

slyness, I'm glad you checked your pressures before leaving.

All of you Boodlers are precious cargo, my thoughts are with all of you for safe travels.

Cassandra, as Scottynuke points out, we do have experience with written communcations at BPHs, so please don't worry. And I apologize in advance for my atrocious handwriting. May have to construct a Rosetta Stone for you - or just draw pictures. Curiously, my drawing is far better than my handwriting.

Ach, need to get a few things done - away I fly!

bc

Posted by: bc | October 3, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

DandyLion, I'm sending good thoughts your father's way. May all go smoothly, and may the surgery ultimately leave him better than ever (or at least much better than recently).

Posted by: bia | October 3, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

To bring this back to Joel's kit - I think the creative types in the boodle have just been challenged by Mudge to create a line of clothing and accessories for "Caribou Barbie".

Must haves - snowmobile, warm sweatshirt for hockey arenas, although scrunchies are more commonly seen in arenas than up do's.

Posted by: dmd | October 3, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

DandyLion, wishing the best possible outcome for your Dad's surgery. Your description of the fear of answering the phone was very good.

Posted by: dmd | October 3, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Morning all. It is a beeeyoooootiful day here in Tidewater, I'm happy frosti gets to enjoy it.

I didn't watch but the hubby says she's "darn cute" and thought the masses would like her performance but that she didn't change his mind about her complete unsuitability as a VP.

Dandy Lion - good thoughts coming from Tidewater for your dad.

Posted by: Kim | October 3, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

DandyLion,

My thoughts are with you and our Dad today.

I know the situaton is completely different, but I also had open heart surgery.

Take care.

Posted by: Moose | October 3, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

SCC: your Dad

Ugh

Posted by: Moose | October 3, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

LiT, I'd say you're both: aficionado and connoisseur

I'd also say you're a tease

Posted by: omni | October 3, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Pat... good thoughts for your dad and your whole family. We'll be looking forward to a report of good news tomorrow night.

Son of G reports the Slyness bus has left the building. They are on their way.

Posted by: TBG | October 3, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

omni...you just say that because you're an aficionado. Or is it connoiseur?

DandyLion...I'm sending the very best vibes your and your dad's way.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 3, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Dandylion, good luck for your dad today.

Boodle well everybody, I know many are in transit, so travel safe.

Posted by: dr | October 3, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Best thoughts to DandyLion's dad and a bea c's little one.

*doing deep breathing exercises after prolonged interwebs troubles @ work* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Good thoughts going out your way DandyLion.

LiT, let's just I see the beauty of a well designed woman's shoe. and then you post links to pics.

Posted by: omni | October 3, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

*Sending out positive thoughts to DandyLion, his dad, and his dad's surgeon*

And a safe journey to all our boodlers in transit.

My feeling after watching the debate that neither candidate did much to convince the undecided. Palin was thin on content, but good on delivery. Biden was content-rich, but bland on delivery. Both made statements that made me read the Post's Fact Checker first thing this morning. Answer: both guilty of stretching the truth, but Palin told the biggest whopper IMHO (that Biden had supported McCain's military strategy until very recently).

Posted by: Raysmom | October 3, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

For a bea c: be the first to sign cast from all your virtual friends with a simple 'Love from the Boodle' (or something like that

LiT, I only got part of the aficionado, the enthusiastic part, not the knowledge part

Posted by: omni | October 3, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

More good thoughts for Dandy Lion Pere. Wishing a succesful op and speedy recovery.

Posted by: Brag | October 3, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

What everyone else has said, DandyLion. Peace be with you and your family.

Posted by: jack | October 3, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Pirates in financial melt down?

This is almost funny.

Nobody knows what the Russian frigate Neustrashimiy (Fearless)is going to do when it arrives to the location where American warships have the Faina boxed in.

However,the closer it gets, the lower are the pirate's ranson demands.

Posted by: Brag | October 3, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Good luck Dandy Lion and a speedy recovery,someone told me about a get well card they saw.Most say get well soon,this one said get well now.

I heard a rumor around our community,and last night I found it out to be true.A new house was built (not far from mine) and the owners put up a street light,like something you would see on a city street. It sits on a telephone pole about 30-40 feet above the road.It is visible from my house. I will of course go through proper channels and if that doesn't work.Does anyone have a BB gun I can borrow?

I am happy to say the fawn tripilets have lost their spots,but still have their brown coats where as the adults almost have all turned grey.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 3, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Piling on to DandyLion and his dad. I can certainly relate to "those" phone calls. Hope all goes well.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

gwe-everyone in our neck of the woods has a "yard light" that is really a big light polluting street light, plus we pay $10.76 per month for the privilege. I have been planning to have mine changed to a switch and timer from a photocell so it doesn't stay on all night but have been waiting for the electric co-op's line crew to have another reason to come out. I would just have it turned off completely but the porch light doesn't illuminate the path to the garage and I would like to see the bears and wolves before they see me.

Just spent an inordinately long time doing some computer work for Ma Frostbitten. Truly a case of the almost competent leading the clueless, but at least it will be harder to hack into her secure wireless network than it was to read Sarah Palin's e-mail.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 3, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Briefly checking in from Cabo where it is always beautiful...and hot! I watched the debate. Palin was good...folksy but one tough cookie! Biden was toothy (what a gleaming set of choppers) but a gentleman. The beat goes on.

I only get 30 free mins on the internet. I didn't bring my laptop on purpose. Turned off the blackberry, too. Hope all is well (except the economy...oi vey). Buenas dias.

Posted by: eidrib | October 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Best wishes to Dad of DandyLion.

Posted by: byoolin | October 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Cabo.... San Lucas? If so, I wonder how's the surf?

Nice weather here. Scheming to take the afternoon off and visit an open house at a palm and cycad nursery. Maybe.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | October 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

gwe, you'll need at least a .22LR, them industrial glass covers are tough. Regulations usually regards those lights favourably. The light=safety equation is held in strong belief. We have neighbours with multiple lamp post in their fenced-in backyards. Before these houses were built I could see well in by own backyard except on moonless night. Now we are permently blinded by those lights that are barely above eye-level. And the city promotes the usage of said lights. *sigh*

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Right now I am in the GT College of Management in their mock trading floor listening to a professor lecture about the financial crisis. He called the Paulson Plan "the nuclear option" and that it is perhaps a bit drastic.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't know, I just kept thinking I was watching Chatty Sarah--you know, pull the string in her back and out come all these plug-in phrases that she learned at Big John's ranch this past week. And then she said she isn't necessarily going to even answer the qeustions asked. How about this--figure out a way to ship Sarah off to Attu and replace her with Tina Fey. That way at least, if McCain gets elected his VP will be able to talk about something other than Joe 6-pack, soccer moms, and seeing Russia from her window.

Posted by: ebtnut | October 3, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

DandyLion and a bea c,
Best wishes for your family members.

GTProf says that short term capital markets are completely frozen and something needs to be done. It affects manufacturers that need short term loans for raw materials and payroll.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 3, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

CNBC reporting that Gov. Schwarzenegger wants to ask fed govt for a $7B rescue package for California...

Posted by: Loomis | October 3, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

People who came to the debate loving Sarah Palin probably went away from it loving her as much as ever. People who came to the debate hoping to see a fiasco, to see Palin make colossal gaffes, had to have been disappointed. She may have swayed a few "undecideds" her way with her mom-next-door demeanor and seemingly indomitable smile. There were mistakes here and there, but they were mostly minor.... By Tom Shales
Friday, October 3, 2008

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

If Tina Fey were the VP I might vote for McCain.HAHAHA...not

But still Ms Fey would be a better pick, no?

Imagine if somehow Error Flynn was on the ballot

The VP ticket was the Boodle.

So many people confused and laughing.

we got elected.

we could solve all the worlds problems.

Then the BPH would be a National Holiday.

We'd all get off from work early one Friday of every second month

Five hours to the abnormal BPH

Twenty-nine till the Mega IBPH

Posted by: omni | October 3, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

FYI I will try to post a new kit this afternoon but am trying to finish a long story...well, not a long story, but a hard story...on the economy (like i even know what that is...).

Posted by: Achenbach | October 3, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

DandyLion, I didn't see the post about your Dad while I was composing my 9:49.

My best to him and to you and your family.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

So some think that Palin had a good delivery? Hmmm... Maybe watching her facial expressions as she speaks adds favorable intonations to her voice. The sing-song pitch she uses spans the better part of an octave. Though this style can be effective with rehearsed speaches, I don't think it goes over well in a discussion format.

I think people are more influenced by visual attractiveness when it comes to content delivery than they want to admit.

Thanks for all the well-wishes for my dad. I emailed him a link to this kit. Maybe he'll post a few words when he gets a chance. Maybe he'll join, you all would like him. He's a nature-loving, pointy-headed sciency type with moderate left-winged convictions.

Posted by: DandyLion | October 3, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I get so confused on this toy business, not having children and all...

I know that Mitt Romney was compared numerous times to a Ken doll.

Now someone has suggested a Caribou Barbie. Will there be a longer shelf life for this than Tyco's Growing Up Kathy, who sprouted breasts? Not to mention Mattel's Growing Up Skipper who functioned pretty mcuh like Kathy--didn't stay part of the product line for too long--people prefer fantasy to reality, which is why Tyco's Mommy's Having a Baby Doll didn't catch on with doll-buyin' mamas.

There was a Growing Hair Barbie, perhaps the doll can be altered to be a Growing Hair Joe Biden doll?

An old Rambo or aging action figure doll for John McCain? Perhaps a Suntan Santa for McCain? Better yet, the former Mattel Sunsational Malibu (Phoenix) for John.

Or maybe the old Hawaiian Ken doll for Obama? Of course, the old black Ken doll is the most obvious choice for Barack. Hey, better yet, the Sunsational Malibu Ken African American!:

http://www.manbehindthedoll.com/mbtd_sunsationalaa.htm

It must be pointed out that Ken® PRECEDED Barbie® in crossing over the racial barrier. 1979's Hawaiian Ken®, is depicted as a native Hawaiian, thus preceding Black Barbie® by one year. In 1982, the first African American Ken® appeared. His head mold would be unique, simply because it was new. Termed the "Black Ken® 1981" head mold, it would only be used once, then retired. This head mold appeared only on our Ken® of the Month for this month, Sunsational Malibu Ken®. He had it "going on" with a hip afro, and nothing much else, seeing that his appearance was in the Malibu swim line. Interestingly, his head mold is closed-mouth, giving him an air of seriousness.

Posted by: Loomis | October 3, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Loomis' situation vis a vis Wachovia has suddenly become more personal for me. Does it mean anything that the lender for my house, Wells Fargo, has agreed to buy Wachovia? Interestingly, the other suitor for the hand and assets of Wachovia was Citigroup, whose Citimortgage arm is the lender for my old house that we have not yet sold and now are thinking we shall rent out. So it seems likely that I would have been involved with one bank or another that would be owning Wachovia.

So, if Wachovia goes under, can it take Wells Fargo with it? And what would happen to my mortgage?

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 3, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Learned enough about day trading to scare me. I'm gonna keep my day job.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 3, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey Joel, I challenge you to game of eight ball! Bring the middle dottir, you know, the one with money...(Just kidding)

Has anybody answered dbGs call for brown paper lunch bags? Did I miss it?

Posted by: omni | October 3, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Joe threw in a bit more truly wonky bits after I folded. Wonky bits are good.

I always had a problem with current deconstruction theory because I had developed my own theory in isolation. My theory focuses more on implicits, inferrals made on the intent of the communication because of its existence. And second-order implications that the common inferrals are assumed, sometimes mistakenly, by the communicator to be made by the commicatee.

In other words, if you stare at someone and repeat "two plus two equal four" repeatedly (and they already know this, and they know that you know they already know this, they will hate you. Really get angry, too. That part is a joke but it's true.

My theory also observes the problems that can result from fast switching in and out of Socratic modes of communication. I'm still working on that. It does occur more in spoken than written communications; that's a good thing.

Jesse Helms pronounced "nuclear" correctly. It's gone downhill from there, and he started off pretty low. There is a subtext to its mispronunciation, and it's a real smarmy unconscious habit. The subtext is "I support antiintellectualism" and also "you do too." I find that insulting in the same way I find the "n word" insulting even though I'm not often taken to have African anscestry. It's the assumption that I SHARE the initial assumption. The third-level assumption I make from "nucular" is that the speaker is not to be trusted. (Unless they simply can't pronounce it, as a child)

My friend the Gulf War vet always says "EYE-rack," even though knowing better. It's an Army thing. I let that slide, but do correct the "Ka-BULL" pronunciation.

Posted by: Jumper | October 3, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Here's somebody who deconstructed the debate last night...I think it's hilarious.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-palin-debat.html

Posted by: Kim | October 3, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Visually, she smirked and started looking pleased with herself when she had something coherent to say.

She was not without facial expression twirks, and there was a implication that if it was at all acceptable she'd have done a pirouette at the end.

By delivery, it is meant that she actually pulled out some sentences that made sense more often than not.

Her nerves were all over the place at the first, IMO, and the unrehearsed stuff was just so different from the talking points she was trying to do, I'm not surprised that her voice was all over the place too.

I just quit watching when she started looking like a royal smarmy...

I dunno, I have issues with people looking so self-congratulatory when they think they have a "gotcha" moment. Even though I probably do it myself.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Good thoughts, DaddyLion and a bea d. e?

Posted by: Boko | October 3, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, I would think the staring part is what would make people angry. The male threat stare, you know. Pick up a body language book ;).

You could probably stare and say "two and two make five" and still get people annoyed.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Good luck on the economy, Achenbach. Is it as hard as clouds?

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Assigning Achenbach to report on the economy is like assigning a suitably empathetic reporter to reveal Tokyo residents' feelings about the latest visitation from Godzilla.

You don't expect statistics on the expected cost of rebulding burned noodle shops or how long it'll take to fix the subway roof that collapsed under Godzilla's foot.

Posted by: Dave of the Coontie | October 3, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Good thoughts for DandyLion's dad!

Posted by: nellie | October 3, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm the one who introduced "Caribou Barbie," Loomis, though I didn't make it up; it's been floating around the Intertubes for a while.

BTW and FYI, my company 401K plan is at Wells-Fargo. If your hubby winds up working for them, ask if he can find a way to transfer a couple hundred grand into my 401 account; I haven't been doing too good lately. I bought Pony Express back when it was two blankets and a chicken per share, and then lost my buckskin shirt when the Iron Horse came along. I salvaged what I could and invested it all in Wells-Fargo's initial IPO when they set up the stagecoach line. I was doing OK for a while until that whole "let's-transport-mining-payrolls-through-Indian-territory" business. I told 'em it was a bad idea. Did they listen?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 3, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Pony Express was Federalized.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

To Dad of DandyLion: Best wishes for a smooth operation and quickest recovery! You are invited and encouraged to hang out here at the Achenblog anytime!

Posted by: kbertocci | October 3, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

House motion to concur with senate amendments passes 263:171

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Good thoughts to DandyLion. My mom went through it a couple of years ago. Definitely a scary feeling. One funny thing is the mood swings (for the patient) that come after the fact. People get unexpectedly weepy and emotional for a month or so afterwards. A friend of mom's put her in touch with someone else about to go through the same thing, a couple of months after mom's surgery. The third party asked "I hear you cry and cry at the drop of a hat afterwards, did you get weepy too?" Mom, who is a woman of victorian sensibilities and a normally very prim vocabulary, responded, "Not weepy, no. I just got b!tchy." Which was shocking, hysterical, and totally true! We've been razzing her about it ever since.

Posted by: CJ | October 3, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

SCC: Dad of DandyLion. Oops!

Posted by: CJ | October 3, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I was informed a little while ago that the author of this blog post

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/blogs/conversation/archive.asp?postID=25160

just quit his job as editor of the paper because he wouldn't cut his staff any further.

*SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 3, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

2 hours 31 minutes. Not that I'm counting.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I told y'all this bail-out bill would pass once it got enough pork in it.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Had some meetings, now I need to head into the city to take care of some business, then to the BPH. Whee!

bc

Posted by: bc | October 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

The WaPo Comics Riff blog got over-run by trolls this morning. Not a pretty sight/site.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/comic-riffs/2008/10/the_morning_line_all_palin_all.html

Let's keep the bunker well stocked for the next month or so.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 3, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, Tim, just stay tuned as we are...FDIC doesn't like the Citi-Wells switcheroo at all, and later this morning Citi threatened legal action in the bank manage a trois.

Citi's stock dropped this morning, but the rest of Wall Street early this morning liked the Wells-Wachovia deal, the news sending the market into an early rally (don't know where it is now after the House bailout vote), as did Wachovia employees at HQ in North Carolina (the latter reported by Bizjournal.com)--and in San Antonio, I might add.

Breaking up the various units would have been hard to do (a la the Citi proposal), but already this morning a she talking head at CNBC mentioned potential layoffs in a Wachovia-Wells union. I think layoffs are inevitably in the future--but to what degree?--whoever comes out on top, or paired, in this financial mating game. I think it just speaks to the trend of consolidation of lending institutions--greater $$$ power concentrated in fewer hands.

Posted by: Loomis | October 3, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Someone IS planning on live blogging the MBPH for all of us poor souls that wish we could be there, right?

And taking pictures?

Have a fabulous time!

Posted by: CJ | October 3, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I know it will be at least as amusing as the livedeblogbate from last night!

Posted by: CJ | October 3, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh, pictures will be had, believe you me.

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 3, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Also some inanities, I have no doubt. (I'm planning a few myself.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 3, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Howdy, and good wishes to DandyLion and your dad - you both need them.

I love the idea of a bea c signing the cast for the Boodle - I refer to y'all as my imaginary friends. That'll give her daughter something to explain.

Safe travels to all heading for the IMBPH and etc.

greenwithenvy, I sympathize. Some "city people" types moved onto our road a few years back and got the county commissioner to put in streetlights. Wholly unnecessary. The family wanted to complain but were prevented by inertia and spouses. The lights on our section of the road have been out now for several months, or maybe a year. We're not telling anyone.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 3, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Hiho. Busy day here, but the end is in sight.

Dandylion, let me add my good thoughts to everyone else's for your dad.

Did manage to watch some of the Debate, and it doesn't at all surprise me that Palin failed to fulfill her low expectations. That she would do well was pretty much pre-ordained by the format and her insistence on talking about what she wanted to.

Look, the woman is a former television personality. She knows how to read copy, and that's basically what she was doing. At least Biden tried to respond, while all Palin did is spout her talking points and smile. You could have programmed a computer to say what she did. Where Palin fails is when she can't work from a script.

Here's an interesting part of the equation, though, that I don't think is getting much attention. I am sure that this debate was the first time that many voters had actually heard or seen Joe Biden.

At least the first time when they were actually paying attention.

In addition to being extremely well prepared and informed, he also came across as kind and very decent. It would not surprise me at all if a lot of undecideds suddenly take a shine to him.

Well, anyway, it's been an exhausting week.

I am really looking forward to meeting many of you at the MBPH.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 3, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I have a blue jay that just came up an sat on the sill of my sliding door - very cool.

Lovely fall day here cool, bright and breezy, older daughter has completed her cross country run and managed to do better than last year. She is in her last year of grade school and was suprised when I got weepy realizing this will probably be the last year I will watch her compete in track - high school sports are less all inclusive and more about competition. I am thinking it might be a long year if this is how I will mark every milestone along the way.

My husband who originally thought McCain made a smart choice choosing Palin has been re-educated courtesy of his cousin. She send him clips of Palins interview - he was not impressed, and while she didn't have any major flubs last night the constant checking of her notes was noted.

Have fun this weekend all.

Posted by: dmd | October 3, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

New kit coming soon but you've already commented on the debate so I will expect everyone to be off-topic once it's posted.

Gorgeous day outside -- I'm heading to a kid's soccer game if I can tie up a few loose ends.

Posted by: Achenbach | October 3, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I've heard that Buffalo Billiards has WiFi.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"I will expect everyone to be off-topic..."

Oh, sometimes it's so nice to be predictable.

*just about out the door to head downtown*

:)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for all the good wishes for my daughter. We won't have a real cast to sign until Monday mid-morning. She's enjoying the attention from everyone at school, it seems.

DandyLion, best wishes for your dad.

See everyone in a bit over 24 hours...

Posted by: a bea c | October 3, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

New kit!

Posted by: Raysmom | October 3, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

It's like a bunker, only smaller!

Posted by: Jumper | October 3, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Hi Jumper. I saw your interesting post over there in the frightening place. Good questions I'd never wondered about before.

Posted by: bia | October 3, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who hasn't already seen the new Kit, don't go there! The Kit is funny and pithy, but the front page link has made it Troll City. All the nutcases on both sides are there, shouting and using foul language and near-unprintable references. Very ugly.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 3, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Worst storm I've ever seen over there. I used the words "last boodle" to lure our pals back because I didn't want to be too clear in my directions. Maybe even that was too much. Please excuse me while I shout:

YOO-HOO! WE ARE HERE.

Posted by: Jumper | October 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Whoof!

Thank goodness, I can breathe again.

Read the kit, but stay away from the comments. It's like a freakin' RoveStorm over there, only less high-minded and thoughtful.

Posted by: PlainTim | October 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Can we ask Joel to make the next Kit something completely removed from presidential politics? Housing or science would be perfect. Then maybe the ugly nuts will all go away.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 3, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I think shrieking is right in his comment on the next boodle -- forget Rovestorm, the new term is Palinstorm.

Posted by: bia | October 3, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

LET ME IN! LET ME IN!!!


Posted by: Kim | October 3, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Whew! Thanks!!

As my sainted mother used to say,
H
"Heavens to Murgatroyd, what on earth happened here?!"

Posted by: Kim | October 3, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Scrub me down. For the love of God scrub me down lest I bring some of that contagion in!

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

There are so weird people out there. The guy oiling his testes had me LOL. It's up to 8-10TP/min now. Hopefully they'll slack off for dinner.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

You darling people, having clicked your ruby red slippers saying (3 times)
There is NO place like home.

And, poof, here we are. Thanks Jumper.

The wacky litigious neighbor went out of time suddenly, so I have been creeping in his back yard poured bleach on his p.ivy and wisteria.....MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH

I must do this once per year to keep his tendrils off my bushes. And, strike when I can.

So, off to shower with Dawn soap so I don't get p.ivy. Then to see some sweet old darling ladies I know.

See some of you here later and some of you IRL on Saturday.


Posted by: College Parkian | October 3, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

There's 256 comments over there already. Of course, most of them appear to be from spambots and nitwits who just post one-sentence insults and worse, not even bothering to insult any individual specifically.

I always wondered -- who is Murgatroyd, anyway?

My page is topped by the floating head of Sarah Palin, with the legend "A Proven Maverick" and McCain*Palin. I can only assume that the Republican party has given up on the notion of running John McCain as their candidate. Perhaps they intend to transplant McCain's brain from his torture-damaged and aged body into Sarah Palin's young and appealing skull. But what will Todd say?

Posted by: PlainTim | October 3, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

You mean your mom knew Murgatroyd too, PlainTim?

Posted by: Kim | October 3, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Whew, that must be what having a bad Star Trek transporter experience would feel like-made worse by Cox Cable's sloooooooow speed connection. I didn't think I'd ever make it here.

The mini BPH has started, yes?

Posted by: frostbitten | October 3, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

The Palinstorm is down to 1-2 TP/min. So many trolls actually stop for dinner and lunch like regular people.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

it's pretty scary over there.

if joel doesn't post another kit this weekend, could mega-bph commentary and checking in take place over here?

hope everyone has a terrific time!

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I posted this over in that other place (I dare not speak it's name...brrr). Could we start a petition or something?


Joel please, for the love of a deity, a science kit, I beg you.
Bended knees 'n' all.

For example, on the discovery of a stressosome in bacteria that swings into action in response to external threats. Do we have one of those in the bunker?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081002172007.htm

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 3, 2008 5:29 PM

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 3, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

My father is friends with 'Betsy', as in 'Heavens to Betsy'. It was the 8th-grade English teacher that my sister and I each had in succession who said 'Heavens to Murgatroyd!'

Posted by: PlainTim | October 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

That's a fascinating link DNA Girl. I think its amazing that even at this late date bacteria still have surprises for us. Also, I just wanted to point out that "stressosome" is a real fun word to say.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

That's a fascinating link DNA Girl. I think its amazing that even at this late date bacteria still have surprises for us. Also, I just wanted to point out that "stressosome" is a real fun word to say.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 3, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Simply pasting from a search at Wikipedia:

Murgatroyd is a surname. In 1371, a constable was appointed for the district of Warley in Yorkshire. He adopted the name of Johanus de Morgateroyde, or literally: John of Moor Gate Royde or the district leading to the moor.[1]

The name may refer to
Bryan Murgatroyd (born 1969 in Walvisbaai), Namibian cricketer
Cecil G. Murgatroyd (1958-2001), long-running satirical political candidate in Australia and New Zealand
Stephen Murgatroyd (born 1950), writer, broadcaster and consultant
William A. Murgatroyd (born 1893), analytical chemist (page on Esperanto Wikipedia)

Moreover:
"Heavens to Murgatroyd!" is an exclamation popularized by Snagglepuss, originally uttered by Bert Lahr (upon whose voice the cartoon character was based) in the 1944 film Meet the People.[1]
a Murgatroyd family is central to the plot of the Gilbert and Sullivan opera Ruddigore
Heavens to Murgatroyd, Even! It's Thee Headcoats! (Already) is an album by Thee Headcoats


So, looks like Snagglepuss and Bert Lahr are responsible for the expression in common usage, but no telling to which Murgatroyd 'they' might have been referring.

Posted by: PlainTim | October 3, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

'scuse me.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 3, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

The Murgatroyds are good friends of the Dickens, though not nearly as capable, which is why we always wish heavens upon them.

You know the Dickens - they're the family that does everything to excess, whom everyone tries to emulate.

Posted by: The ScienceSpouse | October 3, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. How did I come to post about my father? It's my MOTHER who says 'Heavens to Betsy.' My father says 'Argle-Bargle', 'Gargapue' (that thing what you cook burgers upon), and other colorful phrase that are less easily made WaPo-safe.

Posted by: PlainTim | October 3, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

All I know is that Snagglepuss used to say it right before he would "exit stage right."

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 3, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Time to head home, Dear.

Posted by: The ScienceSpouse | October 3, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Say, dear, is it time to order "La Cuisine Chinoise" and head home?

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 3, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh. Well. That answers that question.

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 3, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

It must be the link on the front page.

Posted by: rhy | October 3, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I've been fighting stressosomes with curcumin. (skin condition) The local wacky health store was out of my regular formula (the one that actually worked) and so I bought another brand that seems useless, judging from the red marks on me since then.

Some research indicated that curcumin leaves the body quite rapidly. There is some thought that if a similar next-generation molecule can be designed that does not leave so quickly, it might be a new "miracle drug."

Posted by: Jumper | October 3, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

There's no place like home, there's no place like home.

Actually, I emailed Joel and told him that there ought to be something which can be done about the Boodle high-jacking.

Perhaps this should be on our agenda tomorrow (although I'm sure that the BPH "regulars" will have worked it all out by tomorrow).

A lot of very angry, very frightened people in the sewer over there. *shudder*

Nice to be among good, friendly people over here.

cya tomorrow. Oh, yeah, btw, a huge shout out of THANKS to Jumper for opening the bunker.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 3, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I think Joel is probably grooving on the Palinstorm. It means people actually click on his blog. I imagine that as soon as it goes off the front page the rants will vanish. Although, to be honest, there are some very articulate posts scattered among the rants. It's just not a very good Signal-to-Noise environment.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 3, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Jumper,
Try to get turmeric from your local Indian store and add it to your food (a slightly spicy taste). I end up eating about 1/4 pinch a day that way. Don't know if it really is any good for anything (e.g., who knows how much is absorbed), but South Asians use it liberally in food and believe in its "antiseptic" properties.

Re the material from your Indian store, it may be diluted with food coloring, but if lots of Indians buy it there, it's probably real stuff (we know that taste well). Best way is to get turmeric sticks and grind them yourself, but beware you may end up with many never ever ever ever fading stains.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 3, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

WOW, just like the old days of political blogging (finding the old thread). Does anyone know when the Bill O'Reilly Show comes on so I can go back upstairs?

Posted by: Dolphin Michael | October 3, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous is keeping the Serial Winker boodle busy at about one TP per min. There is some toxic stuff out there.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

The Palinstorm in the new kit is typical American blogdom hyperbole that will increase in intensity over the next 30 days and then - save for the possible gnashing of teeth and wailing-wall moans that America has again elected a Republican administration - normalcy will return to the Achenblog. The insane will have vanquished the inane, once again proving the dictum that every nation gets the government it deserves. This retreat says you can't stand the heat - so got out of the kitchen. It says that the safety of the coddled world of food, fashion and friends is more important than the fight.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Watching the count over there is kinda like watching the Dow drop. Horrifying yet compelling at the same time.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 3, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that other kit has only 3 direct attacks on Joel's writing. Quite a change from the frogstorm of summers past.

Although that guy who keeps thinking Joel writes like a 14 year old boy is back. He seems fascinated with the idea of Joel "jizz"ing. A few attacks on each other, but mostly political stuff.

Honestly it IS amazing that some people literally believe (or pretend to) believe the same old lies.

I just drove through a countryside with trees torching red and yellow, dead pines in grey, long grass turning straw, and the brightest blue sky you could want.

I think I'll sit at a football game tonight just for the hot cocoa or russian tea; it's the perfect weather for it. And perhaps a book next to a gas fireplace.

I better quit being so marshmallowy and sickly sweet now before somebody jabs a stick in me for roasting.

When this typhoon passes from our nation, we'll pick up the pieces and carry on with solving life as usual. I hope last night's debate gave some undecided voters some clarity one way or the other, on style, approach, and such.

If not, I hope they at least are enjoying the free things in life right now, no matter what is happening in their lives to grieve them.


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Nonsense, Shiloh. First, as I've said before, if McCain/Palin win I refuse to admit I have the government I deserve, and there's about half the country with me on that. I didn't deserve the last eight years, I really didn't deserve the last few weeks of financial meltdown, and I don't deserve to have it continue. That formula only works when the electorate swings big one way or the other. When it is so evenly divided it can't apply.

Also, retreating from the PalinStorm shows sanity and prudence. There's nothing to fight, and the heat isn't of ideas or discourse cooking, it is of a wildfire burning out of control. Those folks are not listening - to themselves or anyone else. Continuing to post would just add to the noise. Life is short and I very seldom do truly pointless things.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 3, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I didn't read Shiloh's post about "It says that the safety of the coddled world of food, fashion and friends is more important than the fight."

If you want to wade in and debate, nobody's stopping you. Cherrio.

And yes, didn't you hear the 60's? Make love, friends, and dinner, not war.

And before you knock this, try running a war without the first three.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Some people indeed have fought wars without clothes (berserkers for one), but it's not the modern style either. Just ask the troops in Iraq.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

"It says that the safety of the coddled world of food, fashion and friends is more important than the fight."

Go get them Shiloh, go Tiger!
Watch out for the testes rubber!

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

For Ivansmom and those who very seldom do truly pointless things:

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Well, it will all come down to the voting machines again... and also the number of seniors who, again, manage to cast their votes for Patrick Buchanan.

On a serious note, I think we are starting to see the signs of a house cleaning. There are whispers of house and senate Republicans getting really edgy about their most recent polling results. Having McCain pull his activity (suspend) Michigan and then rumblings about doing the same in PA... that really hurts the rest of the slate.

Posted by: Dolphin Michael | October 3, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I think this is the most incoherent sentence so far from the other side:

"Yoy (sic) can put monkey ears on a socialist, but that does not make him qualified to be President. "

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Such a house cleaning would be around 30 years overdue for many parts of the Republican Party, Dolphin Michael.

I hope it works. I've voted for moderate Republicans before. However, seeing even the moderates rubberstamp Bush's plans has turned many thinking Republicans that I know off the party for good.

And I'm going to donate a little more money to Obama and feel better.


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

"This socialist looks like a good candidate to be President of the US of A but there is something missing..."

Put monkey hears on him!
Put monkey hears on him!
Put monkey hears on him!

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

It's down to 0.5 TP/min. on the other side.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Why, even I
know
the solution
Food, fashion, friends
and
frivolution

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 3, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

criminy, I hope you're right,DM.

Well, if one cannot attend the M&S BPH, it is nice to be amused by RD and Mr. and Mrs. Science peeps. Stressosome is really a fun word and I am so happy to finally learn the truth about the Murgatroyds and the Dickens.

The hubby is coming home (he's been hubby in absentia lately because of work) and we're going to put on our sweatshirts, fire up the chiminea (sp?) and crack open a bottle of Simi Cabernet. I may have to let him put on his Lyle Lovett CD too. I'm leaving to attend MBPH tomorrow and he's doing the chaperone, cook, chauffeur (sp?) chore-enforcer, church getter-upper thing all by himself for the weekend. (can you hear my wicked cackling?)

Posted by: Kim | October 3, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Shiloh, now you're just being silly. I can't sustain any kind of umbrage when you start that. Refusing to engage is different from picking your battles, as I suspect you know quite well. Carry on.

DNA girl, very nice poem.

Kim, I've been there with the wicked cackling. It does add to the weekend, doesn't it?

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 3, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

And props to Shrieking D as well. I really do appreciate your dispatches from the war zone...you, sir, are a hero for, you know, heroically keeping us up to date with the best of the freak show.

Posted by: Kim | October 3, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Well, I will see you folks later if you are around. I have to wish someone a happy 40th for an hour.

Wilbrod! You know what we face here is absolutely tragic. What we have to have in these times is compassion (sorry if this sounds schmaltzy) ... The thing that gets me is that the Ronald Reagan quote that Palin used was originally said about the dangers of Medicare. Can you imagine where this country would be right now without Medicare?

Then, there was the screaming loofah boy, Bill O'Reilly losing it with Barnie Frank. Right now, there could be worse things to be than a thoughtful "social Democrat." If you have guys like O'Reilly who don't get it, what can we expect from his devotees?

Well, now that we don't have any money, I guess it's a good thing that Bush hasn't suggested that we all go shopping.

Off for my pint!
DM

Posted by: Dolphin Michael | October 3, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Everything psychologists say about procrastinators putting things off because they are rewarded for it is true. I scored a hotel room 4 blocks from Dupont Circle with free parking for $99.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 3, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

It's creeping down below 0.5 TP/min but it is getty very nasty out there. The pros are in play. Nothing new or vaguely interesting to report though.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

You are a woman my son would look up to, frosti, in more ways than one. His favorite t-shirt is

Procrastinators Unite Tomorrow.

I have to sneak it out of his room to wash it...17 hr old boys are gnarly.

How are you getting up to DC? I'm sure you've got your plans, but if you need a ride, don't hesitate to shout. I'll be blowing through Frostparents area tomorrow a.m.

Posted by: Kim | October 3, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

SCC, can you tell I already had a glass of chardonnay? 17 yr old boys!

Posted by: Kim | October 3, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey I went there for a moment (it's like watching a train wreck in slomo yanno), and I learned something; Biden had it right with the "bosniacs".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosniaks

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 3, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom -- I'm with you! Shiloh, you were out of line with that posting. We all pick our battles, and we don't have time, stamina, inclination, etc., to do all and be all to all. Even if we are wimmin.

Turmeric is a really good herb/spice (whatever it should be called). It's said to be a natural anti-inflammatory. I use it quite frequently myself, although I try to take pains not to get it *on* myself (the stain never does go away).

I am quite fascinated by McCain's entitlement fantasy. He deserves to be President because, well, he deserves to be President. And he attracts like-minded "people" (I have to be careful of my phrasing) like the trolls evacuating (so to speak) on the other kit. I wonder if the wartime sacrifice were shared (really, really shared) by every single person living in this country, whether this entitlement syndrome would be so deep and pervasive. Shopping (especially now) doesn't do it.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 3, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow - I don't know what to say. Just checked in for one of my occasional lurkings expecting the usual reasonable (and sometimes engagingly inane) discourse and stumbled onto a battlefield. What's going on??

Posted by: depice | October 3, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

oh, I'm so glad this side is sane...

I posted this before I realized it was out of control

Dudes!

This Boodle rocks!!

I have not laughed so hard at bad grammar in a while.

People who fall for Palin say stuff like "git r done" and we can find that in what dictionary? It is SOOOO PATRIOTIC to slaughter the English language. And wanting to speak and spell properly is, well, elitist at best, Communist at worst.

Apparently, using all capital letters and omitting all punctuation, hyphens and apostrophes included, proves that the commenter is fully qualified to pass judgment on those of us who have taken the time and made the effort to actually use our brains to make a decision that will benefit the country.

And that, my friends, is a run-on sentence.

Posted by: a bea c | October 3, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Howdy depice! Reasonable and engagingly inane discourse, that's us and proud of it. Joel's debate Kit got put on the home page and the trolls took it over immediately. However, apparently the Palinstorm caused you to break lurker status. It's an ill wind that blows no good.

a bea c, I'm glad you stumbled back here. Jumper tried to send folks over several toxic hours ago. We're hoping the next Kit is about something other than the presidential race - ideally some sciency or otherwise obscure thing, where we can all stay firmly on topic and bore the trolls away.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 3, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I really need a NORM! cry from Cheers right about now.

Posted by: dmd | October 3, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

and now, a serious question for the Boodle.

Since I became a citizen, I've been an officer of elections in my county. Four years ago, there were not enough voting booths to go around. We had waiting hours of up to 2 hours in my county. A couple of weeks ago the County Registrar said in an interview that people who wanted to avoid long waits should vote mid-morning, and mid-afternoon. Otherwise, he was expecting record turnout and very long waits.

So, for four years he has known he had a problem. He didn't fix it. The most affected voters are those with little flexibility to stand in line for hours, those who work hourly jobs and can't just walk out mid-morning or mid-afternoon to vote.

I am conflicted. I originally became an elections officer to make sure we didn't have any hanging chads. But, how can I work for this guy who is, in my opinion, limiting the voting opportunity of traditionally Democratic voters?

My precinct chief called today and left a message on my machine asking if I'd be available to work on November 4. I don't know if I should be available.

Any thoughts?

Posted by: a bea c | October 3, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I almost forgot I owe you a story...why didn't anyone remind me?

Posted by: omni | October 3, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Kim-thanks for your offer but I have a rental car and stops to make on the way up-meeting with a former co-worker for coffee, foreclosure survey of the old neighborhood...

dmd!!!

Posted by: frostbitten | October 3, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I think poll hours should be extended, and they will need volunteers to make that happen.

Mention this. A lot of people work 5 AM to 3 PM, or 9-5 and would rather get the voting done before work. I've been in a line that was over 200 people long and I still managed to get the voting done in less than a hour, wasn't too late.

IMO, Election day SHOULD be a national holiday, with flexible leave up to 2 hours granted. It's as much a patriotic day as Memorial Day or Veterans Day.

Until then, we'll just have to make do.


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

DMD!!!

Hey, everybody knows your name here.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 3, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Whew - glad for the reassurance that it's only a temporary condition! Hope the same can be said for the ringing in my ears caused by my brief exposure to hazardous levels of noise...

Posted by: depice | October 3, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Kim - sounds like a great, great evening you have planned!

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 3, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I hoped to post this under a post-debate kit but that's not gonna happen, so ...

I had an epiphany about Palin after last night's debate. I formerly thought her uninformed about issues of national policy and thought of her coaching as deception.

From the debate I realized that's wrong and that instead Palin simply doesn't care about national policy issues. I saw that in her rehearsed answers.

The other three candidates in the contest eat, sleep, and breathe national politics. While Palin's determined to get her team elected, these issues simply don't resonate personally with her.

Now I see the deception as making it look like she gives a fig.

Posted by: Fifty | October 3, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

You know what is funny when I discovered everyone had come back to this kit, I got that feeling like you would get walking into a comfortable neighbourhood bar.

Agree, Fifty athough I think Palin cares about her own self interest first, team second - the team will aid her future goals - shudder.

Posted by: dmd | October 3, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

i think of palin as not stupid, but intellectually lazy. very lazy. lazier than arbusto, who at least had a more solid education (that he partied through i'm sure) and exposure to politics his whole life.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 3, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

That's a nice insight, fifty. I know a lot of people who have far less reason than Palin to know about national policy issues - not a state governor, for instance - but are genuinely interested. I think it is easy to forget that it is possible to be in politics, even at a national level, and not really be interested in policy issues. Why, after the last eight years, this should come as a surprise I don't know.

a bea c, that's an interesting question. I'd urge you to continue working as an election officer. For one thing it is an awesome thing to do. For another, you'll build up credibility so when you go to the county (or even state) Election Board asking for more booths or extended hours, you won't be just some complainer - you'll be speaking as someone who works the elections and knows your county's situation. And of course, assuming the Registrar doesn't act on your concerns, you'll wind up doing that. After all, what's the Registrar going to do? Fire you? Wouldn't that make a great story or letter to the editor.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 3, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

a bea c, it sure sounds like you're needed.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 3, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Is this the refuge of weak-kneed liberals?

Posted by: DeadBullshiller | October 3, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

a bea c, stay with it please

depice, welcome and stick around, you'll like it here

Posted by: omni | October 3, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Kenley has the most annoying voice I've ever heard in a woman. No, in anyone at all. I can see why she said she has had to fight her way through life. Everyone within ear distance probably is compelled to slap her.

Posted by: Leigh | October 3, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

a bea c- please stick with it!

Posted by: frostbitten | October 3, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

dmd --where everybody knows your name --

Posted by: nellie | October 3, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

oops. I seem to be a teensy bit redundant.

Posted by: nellie | October 3, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Joltin' Joe got it right - Bosniaks! Thanks, DNA Girl, I stand corrected and am in awe of Joe's depth and knowledge. Still, it was a good laugh for me in the midst having to listen to Palin recite her lines. Maverick, shmaverick.

Welcome, depice. a bea c, I would say stick with it, and good for you doing what you're doing. Can people get absentee ballots? Maybe that's the way to go. Although I worry about whether my vote gets there, or if I've filled it out properly, more so than when I voted in person.

Must be a heckuva good BPH...sigh...

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 3, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Is this the longest boodle in history? It seems that way, as I was trying to catch up!

First, DandyLion & Dad, I echo all the good thoughts expressed to you and look forward to reading anything DandyDad can say.

Second, CP and others, thanks so much for you wonderful fashion sense.

Third, a bea c, hope your daughter's wrist will mend easily. Please stay with the Elections Officer post. Because there will be such a high percentage of voters this year, the lines are going to be long everywhere. We will be voting absentee ballot this year b/c we will be out of town on election day. I have been told we will be voting paper ballots in our county this year, so I think it will be terribly slow and the hours will be extended.

I fell asleep in my chair about 30 minutes into the debate. I'm sorry I missed what has been said as the most significant moment of the debate, that of Biden speaking of his sons, near death. after the terrible accident. That must have been so very, very hard. I had not seen Biden debate one on one and tho it was only for a short time, I liked him and thought he was rather statesmanlike, not at all what the pundits had hoped for, I suppose.

I took a peek at the new/wild boodle, not going back.

To all of the boodlers who will not be in town tomorrow night, I will miss not meeting you there. This will be my first porching, and I look forward to it. But, it would be wonderful if you all could be there, too.

Posted by: VintageLady | October 3, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I am imagining the MiniBPH, too. Makes me want to drop everything and trot to the Metro. Instead, watching Numbers and waiting for the moveable game feast to come here. HS boys will be here at ten thirty for poker and M&Ms. Been paying Risk in basement across Route One.

Posted by: CParkian | October 3, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

So, running away from all this ugly mess I found something beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S27Tby1rHx4

Be sure to click "more info" and take a peek at the lyrics...an old favorite.

Posted by: a bea c | October 3, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Belated prayers for Mini A Bea C's daughter and DadofDandyL. Sign my name in bright purple on the cast.

DandyL -- daddy might get down during cardiac rehab; Be sure to ask about the risk. Risk depends on some of the procedure technique. ASK now, when you have the surgeon's ear.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 3, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Weak-Kneed Liberals are welcome to flap in the bogs here along with the skittish Libertarian Loon, and the Green Brunswick Grebe (Canadian species).

Well, we're still taking up a collection to open up a wildlife sanctuary for all kind of timid political fauna, but we're too broke to feed the fauna, as all our resources are focused on putting up electric fences against troll migrations.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

VintageL, thanks for the compliment. I appreciate this.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 3, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the amount of comments in this and the following Boodle is daunting. I never made it through the Rovestorm, either.

Thought this was interesting - about the Obama campaign reaching out to deaf voters:
http://fultonsun.com/articles/2008/10/02/news/090news01.txt
Wilbrod, you've done so much to enlighten me about such issues.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 3, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

VL, here's a link to the video and the transcript of the debate:
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/debates/vice-presidential-debate.html
Joe's "tearing up" moment is toward the end. It kind of got by me in real time - I didn't quite understand what he was saying. It's been shown a lot as one of the highlights, so to speak.

I thought Gwen was too easy on Palin - missed this bit, after Palin gave a "shout out" to 3rd graders and said they'd get extra credit for watching the debate:
Ifill: "Everybody gets extra credit tonight. We're going to move on to the next question."

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 3, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been to the new kit, and now I'm afraid to. I posted a link to Comics Riff that got a trollstorm just for printing some Palin cartoons. I knew this was coming. We have another month to go. Perhaps the ugliest election ever by the time this is done.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 3, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Wish there was a video and transcript of the BPH...sigh...That's ok, I'll just go finish up knitting a sock...

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 3, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

i'm sure we'll get a report eventually. maybe both of these boodles will break the comment record.

missed the original post about dandylion's dad's surgery. positive thoughts and good wishes for a speedy recovery to him.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 3, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Anyone get a "Freedom Team salute Certificate of Appreciation" today? This is a piece of paper that says:

"for outstanding service to the Nationa as a United States Army Soldier."

Which is nice, except I never was. One.

My husband was a naval officer, and I did work as a civil servant for two years over 25 years ago. But nothing to do with the Army. This thing is signed/imprinted with the names of real Army brass, Secretary of the Army and Army Chief of Staff.

I am bemused.

Posted by: nellie | October 3, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

And my husband got a Certificate, too.

Posted by: nellie | October 3, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, ML. Found it and watched through to the end. Biden a young man, almost lost his entire family. Terrible. It was a blessing that those two little boys survived.

Dunno what happened there, Nellie. You have two sidebyside certificates to frame and hang, tho. :-)

Posted by: VintageLady | October 3, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

nite, you all.

Posted by: VintageLady | October 3, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Good night to all sane and calm boodlers. I have a full day tomorrow and you do to.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

J,M&J. I have never seen such a display of relative ignorance over in the succeeding boodle. Everyone seems bent on yelling better or being more vulgar than their predecessor. I'm glad I found y'all over here. It's been a rough week at school. Fall is upon us: good Canadian air is parked over the Carolinas, and with all of the moisture we've had the past few weeks, should make for some bright fall colours.

Posted by: jack | October 4, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

mostly: I picked up Pigpen's handle the other night...I have half a notion to keep using it.

Posted by: jack | October 4, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

A family emergency is transpiring tonight, so I feel absurd about even bothering to boodle amidst trolls. At least it has been a distraction from waiting.


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Good luck, Wilbrod. Hope it works out OK.

Posted by: Wheezy | October 4, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Likewise, Wilbrod. I hope for the best for you and your family. *sending positive energy your way*

Posted by: jack | October 4, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

jack, glad you made it over here.

wilbrod, hope things are ok with your family.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, hope things turn out ok.

jack, I thought that might have been you. Really a great Dead song, and quite apt to the times, no? When I saw Arlo Guthrie a couple of years ago, he was remarking how the war protest songs had become relevant again - very strange and sad.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

And jack, I just figured out who the "J,M&J" are that you referred to at the beginning of your post - ha! I'm cracking up - been a long, exhausting week - and thinking about appropriating that for my new Boodle handle. That phrase has passed my lips often this week.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Dandy Lion, hope your Dad's surgery went well.

nellie, congratulations! Outstanding! Do they want a donation for something?

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, early risers, refugees, friends and trolls--

It's a beautiful rainy morning in Fort Lauderdale, and I have a feeling that this is going to be a very good day.

I'm at the airport, and I am equipped with reading material: Vanity Fair, New Yorker, and *Flatland.* What could be better than that.

Cheers to all, I'll check back later (still looking for some hint about last night's gathering, but maybe it is Top Top Secret, these people like their mysteries.)

Posted by: kbertocci | October 4, 2008 5:35 AM | Report abuse

Oh, the pre-MBPH was all you might have thought it could be, particularly with all the first-timers! Bad Sneakers, "S," dbg, slyness and CASSANDRA all made it, and we also had Yoki, Moose, Bob S., Maggie O'D, mo, TBG, Brag, 'Mudge, bc and yours truly. Much merriment was had by all, including a certain request from a member of the waitstaff, although we shall speak no more of this out of deference to M&S. :-)

Oh, and 'Mudge and I finally put a name to what people seem to like about a certain candidate Whose Name Shall Not Be Spoken For Fear Of Drive-Bys:

Anti-Gravitas.

:-)

And I believe I have a new term for what occured in the following Kit:

PalinDroning.

Oh jeez, I went and said the NAME!!!

*running-for-the-bunker-with-a-second-cup-of-coffee-and-wearing-my-BoSox-hat-proudly Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 4, 2008 6:02 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the report, Snuke. "anti-gravitas" sounds like a keeper.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. It's down to about 0.1 TP/min on the Palindroning kit. I sampled a bit here and there and found some vile stuff. " We don't like hooker in the White House. She may spread her legs to Putin but..."
Who would want to debate with someone posting such a statement?

We were just at the edge of a frost here and the big ash in front of the house lost 2/3 of its leaves. Fall indeed.
tourlou and off to a busy MBPH-less day.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 4, 2008 7:09 AM | Report abuse

About the only point to reading the posts on the next kit now are for lessons on how to get words through the dirty word filter, I am hoping a post or two gets zapped very quickly.

Glad to hear the pre MBPH went well.

Wilbrod sending good thoughts your way.

Posted by: dmd | October 4, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Very interesting. I propose we "hunker in the bunker" without further need for instructions on finding the place in future. It's sort of like a time-travel adventure when the Horrors from the Present can't follow the protagonists into the past, while we treat our wounds and plot our Triumphant Return.

As for me, I watched "The Number 23" on DVD last night. Weird. It's one of those you have to see twice, so I'm going to, later.

I was trying to entertain my neighbor last night. I said, "Let's see, Palin has not only recently undergone an exorcism, to drive the demonic spirit of witchcraft from her; she also has a warrant out for her arrest for fleeing the Troopergate subpoenas." This sort of over-the-top spin I thought would amuse neighbor. But no. The "warrant" part did, but the "exorcism" didn't.

Posted by: Jumper | October 4, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I put this site on the polls, electoral college based computation, on my "favorites" list a few weeks ago so I'd remember to keep watching it. Check out the latest:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/ec_graph-2008.html

Now it's definitely time for more coffee and dead tree. Also, I predict the storm will blow til Sunday.

Posted by: Jumper | October 4, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Amusing myself here, just took a Star quiz to determine which party I support - no surprise with the answers. I do note the governing party doesn't even register in my answers.

Must have been a great gathering everyone is sleeping in or frightened away by the new kit - which I really like but I am not going to post that over there.

Posted by: dmd | October 4, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I really need to change my handle to SCC it would be so much more appropriate as I should probably correct an error in every post.

The link,

http://www3.thestar.com/static/election/quiz/index.html

Posted by: dmd | October 4, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Good morning. I just posted an obscure signpost in the PalinStorm to lead regulars back here.

Taking my sniffly self off to a (brief, I hope) sojourn at a dog show and maybe a stop at a regatta.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 4, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

thanks for the signpost, Ivansmom. What an invasion of the Boodle.

Good morning everyone bunker-hunckering

Posted by: Brag | October 4, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I just posted this on the NYT site. But I like it and am posting it here as well.

I would like to offer this tip to Barrack Obama when he next debates John McCain: During the VP debates, Sarah Palin asked, "Do you really want government managing your health-care system?" Obama should refer directly to that statement and reply, "Certainly we wouldn't want the Bush govt. that tried to hunt down BinLadin and let him slip through its fingers. Certainly we wouldn't want the Bush govt. that had no after-action plan after invading Iraq. Certainly we wouldn't want the Bush govt. that so horribly mismanaged the hurricane Katrina catastrophe. Certainly we wouldn't want the Bush govt. that has led us into a collapse of our financial institutions. By no means would we want that government to manage our health-care system. But I would want the government that brought us the GI Bill, Medicare, and affordable college loans--that's the government I will be leading. And that's the government that will be responsibly managing health care.

Posted by: rhy (Dave) | October 4, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Holy Crap!!!
*heavy breathing*

Posted by: Boko | October 4, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Enjoy the show, Ivansmom. I'm off with the band for the day. Here's an op-ed piece that discusses Gov. Palin's perceptions of the powers of the VP's office. In the debate, she embraced the Cheney model. Not too good...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/opinion/04sat1.html

Posted by: jack | October 4, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Boko, it shows that JA flushed out the lurkers. hahaha

Posted by: Brag | October 4, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I would like to retract my drunken objections to boodlers bunkering down in old threads to avoid Trollstorms. Safety first.

Holy Crap!!

Posted by: Boko | October 4, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

The antimacasars have that soothing effect on the brain

Posted by: Brag | October 4, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

A lone boot, without its mate. A puffy plastic porch pumpkin. A perfectly good clothes hamper. An oversized yard snowman, now oddly swaddled in a life vest. A guitar, even a pickup truck.

Wonder where the debris from many homes destroyed by Ike went? We now have the answer, the story on the front page of today's paper. The detritus roiled up and churned in the Gulf and washed ashore, littering the long beach of of the world's longest barrier island--Texas' Padre Island. The paper reports that one 4-mile stretch of beach yielded enough stuff to fill 2,970 industrial-size trah bags.

However, the article also points one, one person's junk is another's jewel. Local women have taken days off from their jobs to search the beaches for wicker. Regrigerators found along the shore are being dismantled for their copper. Washed-up wood was used by a lumber shop owner to build a deck. There are worries that the many pieces of small plastic now embedded in the sand may be dangerous to local Kemp ridley turtles, but no turtles have turned up yet with internal injuries.

As shore dwellers, the article concludes, the coastal residents are used to having remnant of other people's lives wash up on the beach--but never to this staggering degree.

On other news, front of the Metro section (I like the lede, so will repeat it):

"Separated by five hours and a wide philosophical gulf, the two women who this year changed the face of presidential politics appeared at invitation-only San Antonio fundraisers Friday."

Clinton was at a private home in the Monte Vista neighborhood, Palin at the downtown Marriott Rivercenter. Interestingly, Obama's cousin, actor Robert Duvall, shared the Alamo City stage with Palin. My husband asked if Duvall were born in Texas, but a web search turned up that Duvall was born in San Diego to a career military father who later became an admiral.

Far more importantly, Palin earlier in the day told Fox News that she would take more questions from reporters in the future, yet local media were not given access to her during her short campaign appearance here, according to the article.

Posted by: Loomis | October 4, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Hi all... sitting here with dbG in my family room, enjoying the nice morning and rehashing the Friday BPH.

Lots of fun last night with Yoki, Bad Sneakers, "S," Scotty, Mudge, bc, mo, Cassandra, slyness, dbG, Brag, Bob S... I know I'm leaving someone out... anyway... we had a great time and are looking forward even more to TONIGHT!

Thanks to all of you who moved the bunker over here. Bless you Ivansmom for leading us back here.

:-)

Posted by: TBG | October 4, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: sforeman32 | October 4, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Brag | October 4, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Oh sure. You guys are drinking and eating and having wonderful conversation leaving us poor buggers to deal with that---->
(arrow points to 'Winking kit.'}
Youse should be ashamed of yourselves

Pictures would go a long way to making amends. I'm waiting.

Hi Brag!

Posted by: Boko | October 4, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Just when we thought it was safe...

JA, Zapper please on the 10:42? *SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 4, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm working on da pics, Boko. :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 4, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

wow.ponzi strikes the boodle

Posted by: omni | October 4, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

sforeman32 - And then fold it into a little triangle, and shove it...

oops, bad habits picked up in the other 'boodle. Howdy, all!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

TBG - don't forget the Moose!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Like fighting 'skeeters with boxing gloves. It really doesn't work. I left a perfectly good comment over there, too. I'll repost it for the sake of discussion:

"I found it easy to find this sort of snippet:
"After John Adams attended a meeting of the president's Cabinet in 1791, no Vice President did so again until Thomas Marshall stood in for President Woodrow Wilson"
But I can't find out how or when or even IF the Vice-President's role as President of the Senate historically withered on the vine and the President Pro-tempore began the official job (which I know is often itself delegated.) All I can find is "As President of the Senate, John Adams cast twenty-nine tie-breaking votes—a record that no successor except for John C. Calhoun ever threatened. His votes protected the president's sole authority over the removal of appointees, influenced the location of the national capital, and prevented war with Great Britain. On at least one occasion he persuaded senators to vote against legislation that he opposed, and he frequently lectured the Senate on procedural and policy matters. Adams' political views and his active role in the Senate made him a natural target for critics of the Washington administration. Toward the end of his first term, as a result of a THREATENED RESOLUTION (Jumper's emphasis) that would have silenced him except for procedural and policy matters, he began to exercise more restraint..."
Was a threatened resolution the only thing that began the tradition of non-interference? Who (VP)LAST attempted to lecture the Senate on procedure?
In short, if a (present day) VP showed up and demanded the right to preside all the time, what would happen? I assume the Senate would quickly pass a resolution to formalize the situation of VP noninterference."

Not even Cheney presumed so much.

Posted by: Jumper | October 4, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Ack! Moose.. I forgot! I'm so sorry... I knew I was forgetting someone.

*sheepish grin*

Posted by: TBG | October 4, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Looks like O.J. may spend some time in prison.

Posted by: omni | October 4, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Hardly seems fair to imprison O.J. for a little armed robbery after all he's gotten away with - I mean, all he's been through.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I notice that "Troll" just posted over on the dark side. If that's OUR "Troll", I hope it's prepared. Picking on us regulars is easy, we're a bunch of wimps. The current trade is a little rougher, methinks.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

And Joel was worried that the comments would go off topic right away on the winking kit!

Posted by: dmd | October 4, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I thought that the following was an interesting remark & reply during Sally Jenkins' discussion on Thursday about her Palin article:
- - -
Philadelphia, PA: Thanks for the article. I can relate to Palin's championship experience as being a confidence builder to last a lifetime.

Don't know how tonight or the rest of the election will turn out, but it makes me almost sad (as an Obama supporter) that she's been pulled into this. She seems like she may have some real talent, which could have been nurtured, proven and honed off the national stage, and been interesting to watch 4 or 8 years from now.

Too bad...

Sally Jenkins: You know, this is potentially a really important point. Forgive the sports comparison, but Palin reminds me of a really great but still raw athlete.

Link to discussion: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/10/02/DI2008100201650.html

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

the current mob are like Attila's little sweeties, soon they will be going at each other. Good thing we have the MBPH today. Being in the Boodle now is like swimming in a shark feeding frenzy.

Posted by: Brag | October 4, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I realize that the previous comment is more appropriate to the Palin-storm, and I'll probably post it there. I'm not particularly optimistic that anyone there will agree that it was interesting.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Jumper - I saw your comment last night and I thought it was a good one. Don't have any answers for you, but it's an interesting hypothetical.

Posted by: astromom | October 4, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Bob, even if no one over there does. I enjoyed that article but didn't read the discussion. Thanks for the reminder -- I'll go check out the transcript.

Posted by: bia | October 4, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'm back. I even threw an attempted lifeline to Dolphin Michael.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I knew the Boodle was under seige when I left for the pre-MBPH, but I didn't realize it was still happening. Yikes!

Well, it least it gave me a chance to show Mr. Moose why I like the Boodle so much. He doesn't blog, so this is all new to him.

I had a great time last night, and I'm looking forward to meeting even more great people tonight.

Heck, I might even be more talkative!

Gotta go get some chores done so I can go to the MegaBPH with a clear conscience.

Posted by: Moose | October 4, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

SCC: siege

Moose can spell, just not right now.

Off to chores!

Posted by: Moose | October 4, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Hope the civil folks will follow the bread crumbs here.

Gene W's book about dogs is out:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/26/AR2008092602860.html?hpid=features1&hpv=national
He made me cry, again.

You know the BPH'ing Boodlers are having too much fun. I'm sure if I were there, I'd have lost my voice by now and my stomach would hurt from laughing so much.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

MostlyLurking!!!

What time is the BPH? Do you know?

Posted by: Dolphin Michael | October 4, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

They thought it said "serial wankers" and so they all showed up over there.

Posted by: Jumper | October 4, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, I think you've nailed it.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

DM--We have the room from 5 to 8 pm.

Posted by: Moose | October 4, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Bob, thanks for the note about the basement party. Was here yesterday. It's certainly good to know that the McCain campaign is busy paying folks to go online and sway the election by typing with CAPs. I myself don't use all caps unless I'm on the payroll.

In fact, if I had to pretend that the world would be worse with "THAT MUSLIM guy," I probably would just turn into your basic e e cummings.

Posted by: Dolphin Michael | October 4, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually proud of this one:

- - -

Repugnicrats are all smeared with different shades of poo! Vote Cynthia McKinney - She don't take no crap from de man!

Go Green!

http://votetruth08.com/

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 12:46 PM

Posted by: Pot Stirrer | October 4, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Moose! I thought it was 5, but I got cornfused by a comment.

Posted by: Dolphin Michael | October 4, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm sock-puppeting over there too, but it's not really any fun. Sort of like poking at poison ivy with a stick. I noticed one anti-Palin person saying "there is no Alaska pipeline." The internet is a strange place.

I was lamenting the other day the death of chain letters. The internet seems to have absorbed the phenomenon. I haven't gotten a chain letter, that is, written on paper and sent through the mail, since 1992. And just when I decided to begin collecting them as artifacts. (I actually incorporated a chain letter into a painting then). Back then, they were well-crafted in the sense that Nature "crafts" species: those with compelling memes survived, and those without perished. By compelling, I mean a meme that, by whatever magic, actually got the receiver to go through the trouble of making handwritten copies and sealing and stamping envelopes. Quite a lot of effort, really. Of course their internet descendents are far easier to transmit, but far less robust, in my view.

Back then I classed the best-surviving chain-mail memes into two classes: those that promised luck and good fortune, and those that used fear: "Do not break the chain, or horrible harm will come to you!" I found it life-affirming that most chain-letters I received were richer in good-luck memes than fear-memes.

There does not seem to be a clear path of descent from the paper and stamp variety into their internet analogs. I simply assume the email things evolved independently. Life was created twice!

Posted by: Jumper | October 4, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Dolph - Oh, I think both campaigns are well supported by loonie-fringers in that conversation. I'm trying to help feed them occasionally so that they stay penned up over there.

Glad you found your way home!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Aw. You poo-slinger, you, Bob S.

I guess you've done hog-wrestling before.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

TBG,
What am I? Dogfood?

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 4, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

OMG, google image search sent me to this fine pre-net specimen. Very close to what's in my collection.

http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/~mli/st.jude.jpg

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"PalinDroning" a good idea for that Rovestorm over there, but I was thinking something to indicate the flood of...

Sarahnami?
Saraphoon?
Palinphoon?

Is that other Boodle a Flood Palin?

Hmm. Alaska...

A Saralanche?

(far be it from me to suggest that there the Palin flap has caused Whiteout conditions in that other Boodle...)

On the other hand, I've seen a few Momsoons over in the Mommy Blog...

Gotta run, but I'll see those of you that attend the M BPH this evening.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 4, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Maggie, Scotty loves you, even if TBG doesn't!

:-D


"Oh, the pre-MBPH was all you might have thought it could be, particularly with all the first-timers! Bad Sneakers, "S," dbg, slyness and CASSANDRA all made it, and we also had Yoki, Moose, Bob S., Maggie O'D, mo, TBG, Brag, 'Mudge, bc and yours truly."

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 4, 2008 6:02 AM

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Jumper / Anonymous - That is indeed a fine example of the species! I remember them well.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, DM - just meant that between the Fri BPH and the MegaBPH, there must be informal, impromptu Boodler gatherings. Or else everyone is hungover, in one sense or another. Wish I were there.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Ai chihuahua!! Almost 600 comments of Palindroning; or a 600-comment Saralanche, if you prefer...

And I luvs me all da Boodlers, of course.

Also heading out for a few chores before heading into town.

*terrificly-excited-to-the-point-of-not-knowing-whether-to-Snoopy-dance-or-Grover-wave-sort-of frentic movements*

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 4, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

http://www.silcom.com/~barnowl/chain-letter/evolution.html

I may have hit the mother lode.

Posted by: Jumper | October 4, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Jumper - Wow. Truly, there art no subjects upon which the internet has nothing to say!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

fragment of article at
https://people.scs.fsu.edu/~burkardt/fun/misc/chain.html

"The chain letter reproduces asexually. After all, the odds are pretty slim that someone would get two chain letters on the same day, and somehow merge them. If you like to daydream, though, you might imagine chain letters mating this way, with the recipient randomly taking a sentence from one or the other to build an "offspring"."

"After reproducing, the chain letter, like a salmon, dies. Unless someone is really cheap, and makes 19 copies and then mails out the original!

Posted by: Jumper | October 4, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to the clever boodlers planting guideposts back here to the bunker.

It's raining here today in N. Calif.! a bit early for the rainy season, but it's washing the dust off of everything, so no complaints from me.

I wish I could be there for the MBPH, but since I have a pretty substantial cold at the moment, I would have been thyphoid mary at the party. Have a great time! and I hope to be able to attend a future M- or regular BPH.

Posted by: ac in sj | October 4, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I just snorted my beverage in & out at the same time. That's smart, funny stuff! Who knew that the chain-letter literature was so extensive?

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Probably my new favorite childish insult: "vomit with feet". Awesome!

"... that Palin is vomit with feet is blatantly obvious to anyone with the mind and experience of a 4th grader ..."

Simply beautiful.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Bob, I have young children, I think their insults are much more intelligent than most what is written on the other kit.

Of course I have a bad headache today and do not have much patience for the insults by the trolls (or my kids for that matter) :-).

Posted by: dmd | October 4, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

SCC: typhoid

Posted by: ac in sj | October 4, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I see you are working both sides of the fence, Bob S. Brave but pointless, I think. It's reached the point where they are POSTING the comments, but I doubt anyone's READING the comments. Except us. We must have a masochistic streak.

It does have something to do with Jumper's Theory of the Optimal Size of the Comments section. 600+ is very obviously too large. In contrast, just as an example, Kim O'Donnel's
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/mighty-appetite/
verges on almost insufficient critical mass to take off. But I would say she's better off with what she's got going now than with too many.

Which in turn has something to do with transmissibility - survivability / population increase - of memes.

Which, prompted by Curmudgeon's statement the other day that he's sick of hearing about memes (Wrong, Mudge, it's still interesting!), prompted me, along with some half-formed thoughts about the viral nature of the internet, as so aptly illustrated recently in the Achenblog (Sarah Palin does NOT in fact have a pilot's license), to get back into an old train of thought I had going years back but had neglected until today.

It's been fruitful. I was reminded that there are several distinct historical environments for chain letters. Pre-copy machine is one, and then fax machines, and now the internet. Another old environment was the "no typewriter in the house" and probably a "typewriter, but no carbon paper." Pen and paper only. The "teenage girl" letter:
http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/~mli/L101.jpg

Posted by: Jumper | October 4, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty good at childish insults meself.

Sarah Palin's 'House on the hill.'
http://www.motormint.com/ProductImages/fullsize/TRAILER.jpg

And I ain't sorry. So there! Nyaah!

Posted by: BadBoko® | October 4, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I made it to the hotel!!!

I was lucky I closed the lid on the computer without closing any of my Firefox tabs. Pulled over at an intersection and got myself back on track from what was on the screen. Still, I got to see the Key bridge, the Iwo Jima memorial, the Lincoln Memorial (twice), drove up and down K, and twice around my hotel.

I was made for public transportation.

Now I'm waiting on Kbertocci who went for a walk. Should be back any minute now.

Posted by: a bea c | October 4, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I almost hesitate to mention this, but Colby King's article today touched me deeply, and made me fear a little for all of our souls.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/03/AR2008100302949.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Front Page Alert for Wilbrod.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/03/AR2008100303708.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: Boko | October 4, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

hi, ac in sj!

it sprinked here a bit, but now things seem to be drying off.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Boko. That would be a nice aesthetic. Maybe as New York Ave metro develops, that is now feasible. I understand there should be an ATF headquarters opening there in a year, and there has been property speculation going on in that area.

Truthfully, that neighborhood has been high-crime and poor for a long time. I know a handful of deaf people who have been mugged in that 'hood. One was actually beaten up for apparently staring at people a bit more than they liked. There have been abandoned houses used as crack dens.

After NY metro opened, an council member got mugged. I won't walk down Florida Avenue from NY Metro without Wilbrodog to cover my back.

Eastern Market has been transformed in the last 15 years, so it can happen for that neighborhood, too.

I'm glad that Gallaudet has decided to lease rather than sell, to use the cloud in order encourage a nice aesthetic for the neighborhood, with good visibility in all directions, and to improve business accessibility for the community.

I would mention that this kind of dilemna is not unique for universities in the city; many choose the high-security route rather than the community center route.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I hear crickets chirping, and not much else. Must be time for me to head out. I wish the rest of you could join us!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Bye! Have fun.

Posted by: Boko | October 4, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I guess us non-MBPH attendees have to hold down the fort for a few hours. I got nothing except that GT beat Duke 27-0. Go Jackets.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Lord, so do I. Have extra fun for all of us, mind you.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Just watched IronMan with the Boy. It was very cute. Now maybe I'll rest a while, blow my nose a few times, chirp with the crickets.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 4, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Hi L.A. lurker!

The sun came out a couple of times earlier today, but the clouds came back again, and stayed.

Too bad we couldn't make it to the MBPH. Maybe they'll throw another one sometime.

Posted by: ac in sj | October 4, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

feel better, ivansmom!

yup, ac in sj, we can only hope for another. let me know if you're ever up (er down, rather) for another southern left coast mini-bph.

now, i've a mind to do something crazy with those kinkades...i think i know where mudge hid them...

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Hah! I found some Kinkady pitchers with meese? manders? in them.
http://www.natureartists.com/moose.asp
Sneaking one in right now. Also have keys to the bar. Wheeeee!

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 4, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

The Georgia Tech campus used to border some WPA-era public housing projects that were very dangerous places. They got torn down and turned into athletic housing/college dorms for the 1996 Olympics. Now it's possible to walk from the Georgia World Congress Center back to campus late at night without taking your life into your hands.

When my son told my wife that he had done just that coming back from Dragoncon late one night, she gasped and told him to bill us for a cab the next time. I tsked her away. If you can't live dangerously in college, when can you?

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Ah, how could I ever have left the bunny bunker?

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1641

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Ah, how could I ever have left the bunny bunker?

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1641

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

That one has place of pride on my office door, Wilbrod :-)

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 4, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

You know what would be funny?
If we pasted a bunch of that crazy stuff here and went and hid in the "Grown-Ups" boodle.

Hmmmmm.....teeheeheeyukyuk.....naahh.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 4, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

yes! i found the really big kinkade.
http://www.elhavens.com/media/2008%20web%20images/sunset-on-lamplight-lane-fo.jpg

i'm hanging it up upside down. weird. it looks like someone burned the corner of it. i wonder what bc and scotty were doing in the storage room.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Nobody's hanging Kinkades on my watch. Now if something were to happen while I was on dinner break, I might not even notice until the next day.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

i found more good stuff to decorate the bunker with!


http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/433/331/26/o_thomas_kinkade.jpg

http://s7d4.scene7.com/is/image/CollectiblesToday/pdtl-1400328001?$pdtl610$

http://images.netshops.com/mgen/master:GMG119.jpg

dna girl, whaddya got?

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

ooh...shhhh...don't let yello see us....

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if bc is wearing lederhosen today for Oktoberfest?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080922100154.htm
(let's put up the pitcher in that link :-)


Posted by: DNA Girl | October 4, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going back to read the comments between my last post and this. When I last checked in I was leaving for the FLL airport. Now I'm at Buffalo Billiards with the Mega-BPH crowd. I'm going to pass the laptop around and see what we can come up with.

Posted by: kbertocci | October 4, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget the Lladro - here is one I am sure Mudge will love. Also we need frilly cafe curtains.

http://www.lladro.com/figurines/01008138-CIRCUS_EXPRESS/

Posted by: dmd | October 4, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

dna, did you get that from bc's secret stash of night wear?


can't resist sneaking this one next to mudge's favorite chair...
http://www.jewelryboxes.com/cart/iso.cfm?detail=extralarge&sku=GMG037&img=master

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

ahhh! the adults are checking in...

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

This is so much fun! Joel said a few words and bc awarded him the coveted Boodle Frank Frazetti statuette. He is deeply honored. Pictures will follow I'm sure.

We figure there are 40 people here... boodlers and friends alike. Marc Fisher, Caitlin Gibson are here and Joel's lovely wife is also here. She says she doesn't think we're weird... but I wonder.

kbertocci handed me this laptop. I'll pass it along. Greetings to everyone... Wish you were HERE!!!!

Posted by: TBG | October 4, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

TBG is forcing me to type this while I'm missing hundreds of possible photos...

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 4, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

wish you were here

Posted by: omni | October 4, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Wow, look what I found! Looks like pages from my lab journal! Selling for >$390 a pop!

http://www.dna11.com/gallery_portraits.asp
(check out the gallery)

Man...I always miss the big money boat.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 4, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

(*we'll do the doilies later*)

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Live links people, ask for Live links!

Posted by: dmd | October 4, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I just found out that these name tags don't stick to skin, so there is only one way to recognize me.

Posted by: Dolphin Michael | October 4, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

*acting like i'm behaving myself*

hi tbg, omni, kbertocci, scotty!!!

*big wave*

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey, gang! I hope somebody's minding the bunker!

This event is just incredible. I don't want to rub salt in the wounds of those who couldn't make it--but wow. We have T-shirts, stickers, and other memorabilia, food...and each other.

Gotta run...I'll get another attendee here.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 4, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I visit Achenblog to read Joel's clever kits and to enjoy the witty and intelligent comments of you boodlers.

Imagine my dismay last night to find what had happened on the "Serial Winker" blog.

Thankfully, I followed the clues back to the humor and civility I was looking for.

Posted by: Manon | October 4, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

good evening boodle

First, everyone is drop dead gorgeous in case you were wondering.

Hope everyone gets to come to one of these some time. However, JA shared that the boodle does not get all that many page views. So slackers, pick up the pace.

More tomorrow evening. Wish you all were here, but if someone had to stay home I'm glad it wasn't me.

Toodles

Posted by: frostbitten | October 4, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Hi, everybody! The Boss is there? Kewl...

Welcome, Manon.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Hi, Manon, welcome! Glad you found us. Ivansmom was right -- we can put up with the occasional Palinstorm if it serves to encourage delurking of new boodlers.

Posted by: bia | October 4, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Oooh, look what I found for the bunker:
http://www.decoratingwithlace.com/tablelinensizes.htm?_s_ref=t66ZBTU3S&kw=[doilies]&creative=1042446852&gclid=CMLQ2v3YjpYCFSKhiQodkF84EA

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Howdy, live imaginary friends! welcome manon. You've come in the midst of a giant Boodle party in DC, attended by some and virtually attended by the rest of us. One good thing about the troll infestation is, it has brought us depice and manon - and I think someone else too, but my brain doesn't work too well right now.

Party on, dudes and dudettes!

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 4, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

frosti -- or anyone -- do they count total page views or unique page views? I mean, is there any difference to TPTB how many times a day I check in, or will it only help if we recruit new people?

Posted by: bia | October 4, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

The lovely new bunker decor should help with recruiting, doncha think?

Posted by: bia | October 4, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Bonsoir Manon!

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 4, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Posting from the "bad boodle." This is The Boss's wife...

I can't remember when I met so many interesting people. Calgary, Philly, Ft. Lauderdale, McLean (you know what I'm talkin' about! Anyway, here we all are meetin' each other--not blinkin'--just talkin! and--gosh darnit,

Posted by: the boss lady | October 4, 2008 7:14 PM

Posted by: TBG | October 4, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

moslyl, let's put up the butterfly curtains!
http://www.decoratingwithlace.com/butterflies.htm

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm voting for.................. nevermind

A report reached us tonight that the women at the Heritage Foundation think the master is HOT. Nice work Joel

Posted by: Radar's Dad (Ray) | October 4, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Stop me someone, I have a terrible urge to pull a Paris and paint the town red. No wait. I meant paint the bunker pink.

What do you think?

http://perfumequeen.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/ica_venue.jpg

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 4, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I think I'm the only one who didn't get to wear my tin foil hat...

Posted by: a bea c | October 4, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Greetings to Boddlers not MBHing. Having a great time, wish you were here.

Viva Boogle!

Posted by: Brag | October 4, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

This is such a wonderful party! What a delight to have faces to go with all the names. Joel was so gracious to take us around the newsroom at WaPo, and he gave Cassandra a copy of The Grand Idea. Wish all the rest of you could be here too!

Posted by: slyness | October 4, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Hi Hi Hi!!!

Posted by: Boko | October 4, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

L.A., yes, I love those! Now's our chance.

So, whatcha all talking about? Where's Cassandra?

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra is speaking. She thanks us all for the books we sent for her church. this is so neat! It feels good to be part of this.

yes, we are your friends Cassandra!!

Posted by: a bea c | October 4, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

dna, i dare ya...

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

The Grand Idea is so good, especially when you're visiting DC.

My frenvy is off the charts, but I'm so happy for those of you who are there. What a fabulous weekend.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Excellent! Who needs 1,000 trolls when you can have a mega-BPH instead?

DNA girl, that'll go perfectly with the Kinkades.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievably beautiful people in person. Wish you were here,

Bad Sneakers and Mr. S are to my left; Slyness and A Bea C and dbG to my right.

Posted by: College Parkian | October 4, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm still not reading the comments but I look forward to reading this whole boodle later.

Some comments might have accidentally gone over to the "bad boodle" so remember to check over there, too.

This Mega BPH is really something. I'm about to succumb to sensory overload. Cheers to all, I am thinking of all of you "out there" who are here in spirit with us.

Especially, hello to mostlylurking, and I hope you are making plans for a Florida BPH in November!

Posted by: kbertocci | October 4, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I wish you all could be here to meet everyone, it's just terrific!


Posted by: bad sneakers | October 4, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

The boodle in 4-D. I can imagine-- which is why pen and paper and such helps keep the volume to a muted roar. Is Dandylion there, too?

I'm nominating this bird as the official Thanksgiving bird of the boodle.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/phenomena-200810.html

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

No...not the bunker...pink? No, please tell me it's not true....

AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 4, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Splish swoop swirl 'n' splash
Gently rip off masking tape
Poetry in Pink!

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 4, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Hi everyone-
We're having a great time and you're all here with us in spirit....and there are a few spirits!

Posted by: Kim | October 4, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

kb, I was thinking about Florida today. It's windy and rainy here. So, God willing and the creek don't rise...(ruh roh).

Did RD make it? Vintage Lady? Kim? Come on, you guys, I just poured myself a glass of Shiraz.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey you all!

This is the largest billard room I have ever seen, and just the nicest bunch of people for a first timer like me.

As I said last night, I wish you all could be here, but there will be a next time for sure, for sure. Cassandra has given us her blessing, Joel just discussed his Galveston experience with some of us.

I'm here posting and I look up and there are all these eyes, watching!!

Too funny....

Posted by: VintageLady | October 4, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the cassowary could be a guard bird for the bunker.

I think I'm going to start using the phrase Crazy as a Cassowary now.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 4, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Who are these people.

Posted by: Achenbach | October 4, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm here next to Wilbrod with my chin on the floor over missing a parrrty. Ahem.

I.
Paws long for DeeCee
Where smells waft of food, good cheer,
And scrumptious crotches...

II.
Boodle porching hour:
Laughter exploding nonstop
From impish teasing

III.
Buffed working dogs
admired by ladies of night
Boy, I miss you, Mo!

IV.
Steak calls us all now
Gotta go supervise dinner
Farewell and wags, too


Posted by: Wilbrodog | October 4, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

hi, joel! and hugs to everyone!

now, let's give this pink bunker a jackson pollock look...

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

OJ has been convicted. His plan is coming together. He's closing in on the real killers. Soon, he'll be prowling the prison yard in his trenchcoat, writing notes in his pad, sidling up to lifers and looking into their eyes to read their souls. Oh, wait, that's W. Oops.

Meanwhile, the MBPH is a wild time.

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 4, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

DNAGirl, you shouldn't have!!!! *munching on da cookie* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 4, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Joel has left the building...

Posted by: a bea c | October 4, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Hi folks! Wish I were there!

What's this I hear about a Florida BPH?

Posted by: ac in sj | October 4, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

We'll take care of the bunker the first of the week, Mudge, don't worry.

DNA Girl, thank you for the fortune cookie. It's delicious!

Posted by: slyness | October 4, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Hi, ac in sj! kbertocci and I met up for the Miami Book Fair last year. This year it's Nov 15-16 (actually it runs longer than that, but that's when we're thinking of). The authors aren't even listed yet, but Dave Barry is usually there somewhere, or so I hear (we got a pic with him last year). TBG, you in?

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Olfaction report
For Cassandra and Joel, please
Oblige, Dandylion.


Posted by: Wilbrodog | October 4, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

DNA Girl, I have the heavenly cookie in my mouth now. LiT says, and I quote:

"Flippin' GOOD. Flippin' GOOD."

Posted by: College Parkian | October 4, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

ok, trying this again after a submission error...

Let's go cheer Frosti on along the race route.

http://www.armytenmiler.com/Courseinfo/Index.cfm#course

Posted by: a bea c | October 4, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Why do I have an uneasy feeling that all DNA girl's fortune cookie message end with either "in bed" or "in the lab?"

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

SCC: -s and all finer points of grammar I'm missing left and right today.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

hey everyone!! i was late! :(

Posted by: mo | October 4, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

DNA Girl, thanks for the cookie and the sinfest!

I'm sure some of you wish you were here, and others, I suspect you're glad you're not.

Anyway, it's a grand time.

Next time, I'm going to submit a request to have the next one in Key West. Scotty wants to commission the Achensub there.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 4, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

ftb would like everyone to know that she got home quickly (but not too quickly) and safely, and she shouts out copious thanks to Snuke for escorting her up all those stairs (next time, folks -- *NO STAIRS PLEASE*) and to her car.

Now she will take off her third person and settle down with today's paper (a/k/a old news) and nod off.

Great party! And I love the t-shirt!

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 4, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Uh, about those decorations. I'm taking them down and putting up this:
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/carenginecare/Pull.jpg

Posted by: Jumper Art Snob | October 4, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

mo's here!!!

Posted by: Raysmom | October 4, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Mo! Let's party
C'mon, Give me a few high-tens;
It's snoopy hug time!

Posted by: Wilbrodog | October 4, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Hi, mo, Raysmom! ftb, glad you got there and back again.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

It was a delight to see so many imaginary friends in person. And I was truly honored to meet Joel Achenbach after all these years.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 4, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha Wilbrod, this one actually does end in bed, sort of...
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2864

(I thought this one captured boodlgeist rather well)

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 4, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

So far... no fawning, simpering or inane conversation. Sorry Shiloh. We wish you were here though.. all of you. This is an amazing party.

:-)

Posted by: TBG | October 4, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

that's a cute sinfest.

glad everyone had a great time. looking forward to pics and reports.

oh, and i left the pink walls as is, since mudge appreciated them so much.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry all had to got off to the corner and weep for a while that I am missing such a great experience.

Posted by: dmd | October 4, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I can reliably report that there was neither fawning nor simpering in evidence tonight. Sorry to disappoint.

Posted by: Raysmom | October 4, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Raising a toast to the Boodle! May its pageviews increase.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Jackson Pollack? In shades of pink? Like maybe pitbull lipstick pink (or would that be pitbull lipstick wink?), possibly in combination with pepto bismol pink, which some of the attendees of the MBPH may be in sore need of tomorrow?

Thank goodness I found the bunker, that was scare over there. I think I got out of it with only the need to wash my toes, and not a complete shower.

Posted by: CJ | October 4, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Where'd everybody go? Hope everyone has a safe trip home. frostbitten, good luck on your run tomorrow.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Cute cartoon, DNA
But not my own reflection'
I'm ALWAYS cool, thanks.

Posted by: Wilbrodog | October 4, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I had a wonderful time at the MBPH. Really almost overwhelming.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 4, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

RD, I bet it has made up for all the BPHs you've missed. Welcome back to the bunny bunker.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

The link at 8:18 that Jumper Art Snob posted looks surprisingly like some of us who attended the MBPH tonight. No, I'm not naming names!

Posted by: Maggie O'D | October 4, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

TRUE DAT; BUT, ALL CAPS?
'DOG, YOU BEEN TO THE DARK SIDE?
DON'T TRACK BAD TRICKS BACK

Posted by: DNA GIRL | October 4, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Ha!

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

This is terrible--By back-boogling I see I have missed meeting some of the boodlers at the MBPH. It was great anyway!

All I can say at the moment is that the Boodle is something unique and very special.

I did not miss my last bus, made it back to the Boodledawnpatrolbase without incident.

Good night, Gang.

Posted by: Brag | October 4, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Big smackdown on nose--
Napping in shade is bad now?
Whine, what did I do?

Posted by: Wilbrodog | October 4, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Had a great time. Scotty took a bunch of pictures. Many are candid, and I can't wait any more than the rest of you to see them. I gave him a hard time about waiting a half day as per usual. I hope he knows I was just joshin' him. I got to meet almost everyone I think. Meeting Joel and his lovely wife was an unexpected treat. Wow.

We barely know each other all of us but what we type into the ether, but I really truly felt like I was amongst all of the bestest of friends.

And we are.

Got to meet Cassandra, and she is a very beautiful woman. Praise to her Lord God.

Frosti and I left at the same time, and I walked with her to her hotel. Gosh, I feel like such an old fashioned gentleman.

A bunch of other stuff you'll be reading from other attendees shortly I'm sure. And then there is the stuff that would put me in danger of physical harm. (kidding again)

And yes, mo was late. again with the hugging. But what can I say ... she is such a huggable gal.

Posted by: omni | October 4, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

We might not have made it to mega BPH, but up here, things are just fine. I've been visited by some fairies. Teeny tiny doors are appearing all over the place and there is a heck of a lot of pot banging going on.

Do fairies and gnomes and elven types cook?

I'm so happy that everyone got together, that I'm not hardly jealous at all. It is lovely to live vicariously through you. Can't wait to 'meet' some of the rest of you.

Mudge, just so you know, I was not responsible for any new decorating in the bunker. I was out being responsible working. I was at a knitting class but it wasn't doilies. Really.

It was pillows. If pillows showed up, well some of them may have been my fault, but only the lace ones. I was not responsible for anything velvet.

Did I mention it may have been pink lace.

Posted by: dr | October 4, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm back from dinner. Hope everything is well in The Bunker. OMG. OMFSM! I just can't friggin' believe it.

***breaks into simpering sobs***

I am so dead. This is worse than Tom Cruise in Risky Business hearing his parents are coming home a day early.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Gnomes do cook, when they're in the mood, dr. Including cheesy treats for dogs.

They just do it... differently.

http://wilbrodog.blogspot.com/2008/01/hope-yall-are-full-and-happy-from.html

Posted by: Wilbrodog | October 4, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

dr, I know you are so far advanced in crochet/knitting skills but I do believe perhaps Mudge would appreciate a dr original granny square afgan for his console. Perhaps in lovely shades of pink and mauve - with tassels naturally :-)

Posted by: dmd | October 4, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

oh, and guess what - I think I saw The ScienceSpouse knitting. How cool is that.

Posted by: omni | October 4, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

A special guest appearance by Joel and the Achenspouse. That is a special treat. How much was he selling remaindered copies of Captured By Aliens for?

Sounds like a great time was had by all. I will definitely make plans to attend the next MBPH even if I have to steal the Rambling Wreck and make one of the ransom demands a scheduling change.

Lets hope all the designated drivers remained sober the whole trip home.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

And lets hope everybody found the clothes the came in. I'm still trying to explain the 34A bra to my wife. Its neither of our sizes.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

And guess who the wind blew in? Kerric showed up at my door!

Good thing the fairies are cooking. If I had to do it we would all be in trouble.

There, there, yj. It will be all right. Maybe some of it will wash off and all we really need to do is flip the painting...

Posted by: dr | October 4, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

omni, that's very cool that ScienceSpouse was knitting at the MBPH. Yes, I can see some doilies in Mudge's future...

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 4, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

omni, I am verklempt at the news of the science spouse knitting. Completely verklempt. I think I knew that she did, but to represent all of the knitterly types, well darn it, I might just cry.

dmd, you read my mind. Tassels to drape over the top corner. I do recall seeing a computer cozy once. Ah yes, here it is. Sadly you have to scroll down past the adds. do able in pink and I know just the yarn.

http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/na_knitting/article/0,,diy_14141_3429580,00.html

Posted by: dr | October 4, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Gosh 'dog don'tcha know
Palin storms with thunder caps
shade good nightshade bad

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 4, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

dr, LOL - be great with litten kittens as the screensaver.

Posted by: dmd | October 4, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Good night everyone!!

Posted by: a bea c | October 4, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

yello, you really didn't miss anything, it was just like an abnormal BPH, just a few more Boodlers and some Significant others.

dr and moslty, I think I'm getting all teary eyed now, yes I'm pretty sure she was knitting.

Gosh, I'm going to have to figure this out. Surely it beats nail biting.

OK now, I'm three Boddingtons and a Guinness to the wind, must rest a bit.

Posted by: omni | October 4, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Miss a couple of days of backboodling and it becomes impossible to backboodle. Visited a couple of friends and had a lot of greasy food. They were delicious! I’m going to regret eating them, cuz they’ll go straight to my hips.

I’m glad everyone had a great time at the MBPH. And the boss showed up. Real cool! I hope to see a lot of pictures ….

Posted by: rainforest | October 4, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Heard something tonight I never thought I'd hear someone say to me...

dbG to me: "Should I go ahead and put the bunny poop in my car?"

Posted by: TBG | October 4, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Back from the Mega BPH. Met lots of wonderful folks for the first time, like a bea c, frosti, and ScienceSpouse. I'm so very glad Cassandra was able to make it up with Slyness to see us. And it was great to finally meet Joel. He and his wife spent a lot of time with us. DandyLion even checked out Joel's flyaway hair with his hands! It was cool that one of our frequent guest kitters, Caitlin, came by.

Thanks so much to Joel, TBG, bc, and everyone else who worked hard to put this together. This was a lot of fun!

Posted by: pj | October 4, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

What was your answer TBG?

Posted by: dmd | October 4, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

We're home now, geeking on our respective computers. Did I fail to mention the spousal knitting?

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 4, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

We had a great time. We got to talk to lots of people and meet lots of folks in the flesh that had previously been naught but digitally-encoded data to us.

As the evening was winding down, Yoki did me the great honor of asking me to tell a Stomach-Churning Story of Science Gone Wrong (against TBG's protests!). I went with "The Dissolved Rat", a story that I haven't told anyone in a good long time. For the benefit of those who were there, or those who might hear rumors of what was said -- I did not make this up. Every word is true. I did not even exaggerate. This is part of why I chose to go into physics rather than biology.

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 4, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Well I am off to bed, hopefully I will not dream about the rat I disected in high school, ScienceTim's post reminded me of the smell of said rat, a smell that became increasing pungent as the number of days we worked on the animal increased.

Very happy everyone had a great evening.

Posted by: dmd | October 5, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I returned home from the band contest at about 11. Spent the early part of the morning putting up wood with my wife's uncle. Checked the debate boodle and saw it was up to 678 comments, and nearly as nasty as it was last night. The live boodling from the MBPH was quite a treat. Hitting the rack...g'night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lpVjXwAfm0&feature=related

Posted by: jack | October 5, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Goodnight, everyone. This was a fun night even from afar. Eagerly awaiting pictures. Tim, you did mention the knitting, which is why we knew ScienceSpouse would fit right in. Now I must go look at doily patterns.

rainforest, glad you found the "right" boodle.

Posted by: mostlylurking | October 5, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Oh man - Joel was there? I was wondering if he would do a cameo.

Glad to hear that the MBPH went off well.

ScienceTim - will there be a synopsis of The Dissolved Rat story somewhere? Sounds like a good one.

Posted by: AZBlueHen | October 5, 2008 3:01 AM | Report abuse

I've had a few hours to digest this now, and have decided that, if you can't find any cool folks to spend time with, the 'boodlers will make an adequate substitute.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 5, 2008 5:45 AM | Report abuse

OK, I actually haven't really digested it yet. I'm not easily overwhelmed, but tonight was a very, very cool gathering of a whole bunch of neat folks. There was even a shout-out for the Lone Mule, who, alas, was apparently not in attendance. But if he'd showed up, he'd have been welcomed warmly by the collected throng of stinky 'boodlers.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 5, 2008 5:52 AM | Report abuse

Hey, haven't had time to fully backBoodle (or even finish my second cuppa coffee), but I can report we're approaching 900 comments on this Kit while the PalinDroning is stuck at less than 700. We showed 'em! *L*

I'm off shortly to help cheer frosti on, then I'll get started on posting the MBPH pics!! :-)

*rather-worn-out-but-in-a-very-good-way Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 5, 2008 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Boodle.

The Palinstorm seems to have abated.

Have nice warm and fuzzy feeling after MBPH. Already looking forward to the next one.

Last night had a nitecap while trying to define the Boodle, which is a very unique (group, mob, association, bunch of people) decided it is a cyber village where all sorts of people live peacefully together wishing each other well. This produces a sort sinergy, which improves our daily lives.

Frank Rich in NYT has good article on how election dynamics have changed in favor of Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/opinion/05rich.html?hp

Wishing everyone a great Sunday and a safe journey home to our pilgrims. (Boodlegrims?)

Posted by: Brag | October 5, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all, and thanks for the party. It wasn't as good as being there but it was pretty good. Howdy AZBlueHen! Yep, brag, the Boodle is all that.

Now I have to take my congested self in to sing two services. All I really need to sing is one anthem at each service - the one I stayed here for - everything else is gravy. It won't be easy, but that's why I spent all those years learning to sing. I hope.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 5, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Aside from he horrible feeling I'm forgetting something I feel fine except for a strange for no reason lower back ache.

Oh, and, new kit: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/achenblog/2008/10/washington_below_the_scum.html

Posted by: omni | October 5, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Got to thank my son DandyLion and all of you for the good wishes. Something worked well since the usual stay in the hospital is 7 days and they turned me loose on the 4th day. The nurses swear that they did not threaten to all quit if I didn't go, and I think I will let it go at that.

Won't say that I feel great, but each day things get a bit better and I can breath a bit easy. Thanks all

Posted by: DoneSailing | October 8, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

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