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Sarah Palin, Serial Winker

[Huh? Oh. Was there a debate? I guess I should blog on it. You know the motto here: "Yesterday's News Tomorrow."] [Has the next debate already started??] [You know I have a regular job, right?]

Here's the big news: Sarah Palin has mainstreamed the political wink! She's not just a winker, she's a twinkler. And a champion smile-talker. She would flash that same smile even if she were telling you that she'd just burned down your house. What other expressions can she do? Libby Copeland had a great line in her deconstruction of Palin's expressiveness: "Palin is all emoticons."

(I have a strange feeling we'll never see a non-winking, non-twinkling, non-smile-talking Veep pick again. We'll never see another Lloyd Bentsen.)

I found the debate intermittently vapid, and constantly and repugnantly crammed with talking points. I didn't trust a single statistic either side offered -- you sense there's a rule that numbers must be distorted to make it through the metal detectors.

But both candidates performed well. A gaffe-free night for Biden is like Lucy letting Charlie Brown kick the football: We didn't think we'd ever see it. (In fact, I thought Biden was excellent.) Palin's dodginess -- refusing to answer questions directly -- may have turned off some viewers, but she managed to reassure the panicking David Brooks types.

One moment jumped out: After Biden choked up, talking about not knowing if a child would make it, Palin didn't react at all -- as if she weren't even listening to him. Warm-and-fuzzy Palin seemed suddenly rather Arctic.

I also wondered about Palin's comment on the constitutional role of the vice president. In common practice, as I understand it, the vice president doesn't go anywhere near the Senate except to break a tie vote on an important bill. Here's what Palin said:

"Of course, we know what a vice president does. And that's not only to preside over the Senate and will take that position very seriously also. I'm thankful the Constitution would allow a bit more authority given to the vice president if that vice president so chose to exert it in working with the Senate and making sure that we are supportive of the president's policies and making sure too that our president understands what our strengths are...

"... our founding fathers were very wise there in allowing through the Constitution much flexibility there in the office of the vice president. And we will do what is best for the American people in tapping into that position and ushering in an agenda that is supportive and cooperative with the president's agenda in that position. Yeah, so I do agree with him that we have a lot of flexibility in there, and we'll do what we have to do to administer very appropriately the plans that are needed for this nation."

Someone needs to do a story on what a vice president actually does all day.

By Joel Achenbach  |  October 3, 2008; 10:23 AM ET
 
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Biden was hardly gaffe-free.

How about not knowing the VP's constitutional duties?

Posted by: Jim Ostrowski | October 3, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"Of course, we know what a vice president does."

Good save, Sarah! Just a week before being nominated for VP, she appeared on tape (well, probably disc) asking could someone please just explain to her what the vice President does all day? I'm glad that she now feels confident enough in her prior knowledge that she can just say "of course."

Posted by: PlainTim | October 3, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Read most of this kit aloud to the frostrents, they liked it. Both are admirers of JA's dead tree edition writing and books, but they don't read blogs. They might start though. This election has changed their TV viewing habits. Ma Frostbitten has exchanged HGTV for Countdown on MSNBC. I haven't seen Frostdaddy laugh so loud since Sanford and Son and M*A*S*H went off the air.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 3, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

And, of course, she's right about the flexibility of the VP position: so flexible is it, that it has hardly any defined role, and only one area of direct responsibility. In essence, the VP is a presidential spokesman of whom the President has no real authority to rid himself. (How's that for grammar?)

Posted by: PlainTim | October 3, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin doesn't get it. She doesn't understand the role of the Vice Presidency and perhaps the least qualified candidate for the job in our history.

A nice smile is not a qualification for office. It does matter that a candidate can't or won't answer the questions the media and the public believe are relevant to determining her qualifications. Job candidates don't get to determine what the interview questions will be.

Posted by: Murf | October 3, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I hope you are wrong about future VP candidates feeling the need to wink at the tv audience. I hated it. Made me want to throw something at the TV. Cheap and condescending.

And seriously, who gives a "shout out" in a vice presidential debate? To third graders?

Posted by: no winking! | October 3, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

You can put lipstick on a filly and trot her out to perform for the crowd. But when all is said and done, it's still just a dog and pony show.

Posted by: rhy | October 3, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah -- Palin's mannerisms make me itch and feel very, very irritable (which I promise will not cross over into tomorrow's festivities). I wanted to throw stuff at the TV, too.

I'll bet she thinks stuff is just all, well, hunky-dory, and she's gonna have just a heck of a good time.

Starting to feel even more confident (although crossing fingers and holding thumbs anyway, just in case. . .) about Obama's chances.

cya tomorrow.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | October 3, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

...feeling a wee touch of the old scurvy coming on... *inching toward the door*

Posted by: Curmudgeon | October 3, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Dont forget the main thing-Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.do we need a muslim communist in our WH?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

She is much more qualified than Obama to be president....let alone VP

Posted by: Carter | October 3, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Palin OWNAGE!!! McCain/Palin 2008

Posted by: OWNAGE | October 3, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Barack disgraces soldiers in iraq.

Barack will take away you guns.

Barack wants to be the first Black President in History. It's only about that.

Posted by: OWNAGE | October 3, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Give me a winker as opposed to a spinner.

The rest of you "elite" folks can go shovel some more manure.

Posted by: Scarlett | October 3, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Wink, baby, wink!

Posted by: yaks | October 3, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I hope Jesus comes and takes Sarah to heaven.

Then does her.

Posted by: Wow | October 3, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

good lord ..

cover this like an interview for a entry management position. would you hire Palin
(c'mon, be honest).

do you expect your candidate to cover the questions asked or dodge and dance?

now ... one more step. the entry management job is the vp of the united states.

please ... this is embarassing.

Posted by: frankinbend | October 3, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

They must really think we are stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ycdgJoN5H8

Posted by: JakeD | October 3, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Republicans can say what a great job she did all day long. Nothing she said all night came from her. It was 90 minutes of nothing. Did anyone check to see if she had an earpiece? Shame on you John McCain. You should know better

Posted by: mary | October 3, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"She is much more qualified than Obama to be president....let alone VP"-- OMG, you have to be kidding! She's another in the W lineage of "we may not be adequate for the job, but we know what we want, and that makes it right."

Posted by: HS | October 3, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a fraud. And stating that is the understatement of the year. But Sarah is a real person. And that is her gift. Just being real! Americans need that! Thank goodness someone is. Obama is scary. He is a reversal of David Duke. God help us if he gets control of this country!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Heckuva job Palie!

Posted by: Paul Mavini | October 3, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

It is no wonder that highly qualified people choose not to hold a political office. That is unless you want power and get rich on a gov't salary. (How do they do that? Hmmmm)

This lady was doing quite well on her own and now everone with an audience may place her on a spit and roast her to death. Shame on the media and shame on us.

We should let it be known a public servant is just that. The office should not be a place to get rich and for the unqualified to have power and for the qualified choose the private sector to keep away from being barbequed.

Posted by: Don Jones | October 3, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

As a lifelong winker I'm proud that one of ours is finally bringing it to the people. Winkers have a long and storied history in this country. From Charlie Chaplin to FDR, Betty Boop to Red Foxx. Winkers have played an intergral role in shaping the American Experience. It's even rumored that Abe Lincoln himself was known to throw a wink here and there just to lighten the mood. My guess is that you've got a neighbor, a spouse, a grandparent, a doctor, or someone in your life who is also a winker. Perhaps even some closet winkers out there. So please, this election season, go easy on us winkers.

Posted by: Centient | October 3, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

First off, I support fully the clearly superior candidates for both President and Vice-President, Obama and Biden. It is obvious to even a casual observer, they are superior in their intellect, temperment and their plans to improve our country's economy, our global perception, and the lives of the vast majority of Americans. McCain is too old and ill tempered to be fit to be our President and Palin, all I can say about her is......she is an idiot. The only things that she says that make any sense are all scripted, and when she gets off the script, she makes no sense. All I can say to you bloggers who praise McCain and Palin and spew disdain and even hatred toward Obama is that you got what you asked for and deserved with Bush, but please, this time stay home on election day and don't drag down the country again with your stupidity by voting for McCain and Palin. You people are the reason that we "must" raise the educational standards in the USA!

Posted by: OC | October 3, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

'Elite'? Oh, you mean those of us who bother to think from time to time?

Posted by: SadSadSad | October 3, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Whoa... glad the bunker's open this afternoon. I need to go take a shower. Yikes.

Posted by: TBG | October 3, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I guess Palin should apologize for her happy and smiling demeanor and attractiveness. What we need is a grumpy, ugly woman for vice president... goodness, if people are upset with her because of the way she looks or that she smiles a lot, if people are judging her character based her the fact that she smiles... let me get this straight, you'd be happier talking to a grumpy guy and vote for him because you can tell, by his grumpiness, that he has good judgment? right.

ignorance, unqualified, etc - maybe we should put Obama up to a HIGHER standard, even, than Palin, as opposed to having a high standard for Palin and none for Obama. As it stands, it goes like this: Palin hasn't been in Washington enough to be Vice President. Obama hasn't been in Washington enough to be corrupted by it and thus is great for the presidency. WHAT?!

For those saying "she doesn' get it, she doesn't know what a VP does" or whatever... could you explain to me what they do that you know so well, having never even been a mayor of a small town, that she doesn't know?

For that matter, maybe Obama and Biden could explain to me how raising taxes on corporations is going to lower prices.

Oil pricesare too high - I've got a great idea, let's put a new tax on oil company profits so that they will raise their prices to make up for it. That will make he price go down! Because, when corporations get taxed, they LOWER their prices. Um, no, if YOU were taxed on the profit you made (thus, you make less money), you would be raising prices to make up for it, not lowering them. Pretty soon, my guess is that Obama wants to tell them how much to charge, too... may as well let the government take over the business, at that point. Sounds like something Marx would have liked. Also, Exxon is already paying 42% tax on their profits. And I presume the CEO's are paying income tax on their already taxed profits as well.

Another stupid thing - companies are moving off shore because it's cheaper. Let's force them not to do that and raise taxes on them while we're at it, that will make more businesses want to stay here and prevent jobs from going to India, etc. That makes no sense either. The problem isn't businesses going offshore, the problem is that we keep raising taxes on them here and DRIVING them offshore.

And you want to talk about McCain/Palin not getting the economy? I'm pretty sure the only economy that Obama understands is a very socialist one.

And for the record - Obama and Biden are both politicians, and OBama is a lawyer, lives like a lawyer, makes a lot of money like a lawyer. Palin is middle-class. Which of them understands middle-class more?

Posted by: paul | October 3, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

She is still a joke to me; over to you SNL.

Posted by: Pickerbu | October 3, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who is a reversal of David Duke would seem to be just fine.

Posted by: HS | October 3, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

We dont need another VP who avoids questions. The GOP are a bunch a bullies. She fits right in

Posted by: Mike | October 3, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Give FeedBack on how you think Sarah Palin did in the Debate, See what the national poll says about what others think,
http://www.mccanes.com/watchdebatevp.html

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

ownage is waiting for Kristallnacht to play with his brown shirt buddies.

remember ownage, between your shift at wallymart ...

'Arbeit Macht Frei'

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Palin is now claiming that Katie Couric "annoyed" her because "that's not whated I want to talk about" and "that's not what the American people want to hear about." TOO FUUCKIN' BAD. If you enter a race and you're asked a simple question by the press, answer it, and then go on with your slogans and tag lines. Either she has enough intelligence to actually answer a straight quetion, or she doesn't. The simple fact is, she doesn't. Even McCain doesn't pull that Palin shiit. Speaking like you're uneducated, and acting folksly, might appeal to simpletons, but not to most people.

Posted by: Mike for Obama | October 3, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I love it. Sarah Palin is all emoticons! That goes hand in hand with my feeling of being texted everytime she "answered" a question during the debate.

Posted by: DCdallas | October 3, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I just wanted to say that the anonymous poster who claims Obama is Muslim communist makes me ashamed to be an anonymous poster.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

If Obamanation wins, I would suggest everyone who doesn't condone socialism/communism to find another place to live. Especially those people who have worked hard through education or entrepreneurship to achieve a nice salary. Unless you like giving over 50% of your earning to worthless carrion who lay around doing nothing and demand it is their right for the government to redistribute wealth. Oh I forgot for you liberal democrats that is "fairness". What in God's name is fair about that? Please explain.

Posted by: Marc | October 3, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Ownage? If by ownage you mean she didn't completely blunder her way through it. I wouldn't vote for Palin for librarian, let alone VP. Obama and Biden have the vision and the experience to lead this country out of the mess that the NeoCons have gotten us in to. McCain and Palin will be four more years of the same mess. If you are better off now than you were seven years ago, by all means vote for McCain.

Posted by: That Guy | October 3, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Looks like an "Invasion of the Boodle Snatchers."

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Warm and fuzzy?? She's like a cyborg that downloaded the shooting scripts of every Micky Rooney movie in random order.

Posted by: Texican | October 3, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GET EM BARACUDA!!!!!!! HOCKEY MOMS CAN DO IT ALL!!!! LOV YA GIRLLLL!!!!

Posted by: sandyss | October 3, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I found it easy to find this sort of snippet:
"After John Adams attended a meeting of the president's Cabinet in 1791, no Vice President did so again until Thomas Marshall stood in for President Woodrow Wilson"
But I can't find out how or when or even IF the Vice-President's role as President of the Senate historically withered on the vine and the President Pro-tempore began the official job (which I know is often itself delegated.) All I can find is "As President of the Senate, John Adams cast twenty-nine tie-breaking votes—a record that no successor except for John C. Calhoun ever threatened. His votes protected the president's sole authority over the removal of appointees, influenced the location of the national capital, and prevented war with Great Britain. On at least one occasion he persuaded senators to vote against legislation that he opposed, and he frequently lectured the Senate on procedural and policy matters. Adams' political views and his active role in the Senate made him a natural target for critics of the Washington administration. Toward the end of his first term, as a result of a THREATENED RESOLUTION (Jumper's emphasis) that would have silenced him except for procedural and policy matters, he began to exercise more restraint..."
Was a threatened resolution the only thing that began the tradition of non-interference? Who LAST attempted to lecture the Senate on procedure?
In short, if a VP showed up and demanded the right to preside all the time, what would happen? I assume the Senate would quickly pass a resolution to formalize the situation of VP noninterference.

Posted by: Jumper | October 3, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Now that it appears that Palin can walk and chew gum at the same time as Thursday's debate seems to indicate, when are you doing Meet The Press, Sarah?

Posted by: YOU CAN"T HANDLE IT | October 3, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Marc,

Yup ... the night after the election win for Obama I'm going to run right down to the VFW and paint it red ... with five gold starts!

Give it a rest. There is a place for you in America November 5th. Alaska.

Why wait, move now!

Posted by: frankinbend | October 3, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Your article is great. Joe got to kick the football for the very first time and Sarah was silly enough to quote the constitution when asked what the vice president does.

Posted by: dajoel | October 3, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

aint nobody want that damn MUSLIM TERRORIST in office this is america NOT EGYPT

Posted by: Johnny REP | October 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with the criminal REZKO.No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need a criminal in our WH?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Palin looked stupid, such as in over-acting. Was she focused on outperforming Tina Fey ? When a clueless politician is hyperactive like that, no credibility nor reliability is conveyed to the audience. What a pity that republicans have to perform cheer-leading for this strange actor. The absurd ticket of McCain-Palin is a crude joke on America during the harder times.

Posted by: MP | October 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

OC you are a moron. Guess who has passed legislation that has repeatedly f'd our education system? Liberal democrats in the name of making life "fair". Life was never meant to be fair. Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.

Posted by: Marc | October 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

This columnist is a moron.

You can't focus on anything else but a wink to get hits on your site?

Did we hear about Obama's obnoxious finger pointing/jabbing which thank goodness he seems finally to have toned down, although he still maintains that grating sermonizing-preacher voice when he speaks. Can't stand listening to the guy speak.

How about McCain's incessant use of "my friends"

How about McCain's iciness? Obama's dodginess?

Oh no, it's much more fun to poke at the female candidate down to every last minutiae.

Women can't win. If they respond to something with emotion, they're vilified as too emotional. If they keep composure, they are vilified as icy.

Men are irrational.

Posted by: Dumb column | October 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Like Oh My God, Sarah so sucked

Posted by: Laura, GA | October 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad that you raised Palin's answer to the VP question. Behind her incorrect answer, you can tell that Palin is ready to abuse the Office of the VP like Dick Cheney. It is one thing for her to not read newspapers, but it is unforgivable for a VP to not read and understand the Constitution. Smiling while giving insults and lies is her only skill.

Posted by: Rodney | October 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

At first I didnt know who to vote for since I do not subscribe to any one of the parties but after the VP debate...it became VERY CLEAR!! Palin is a disgrace and as a woman, I am ashamed for her.

GOD SPEED OBAMA-BIDEN 2008!!!

Posted by: Sammy | October 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm for a new law that says you can't have your finger on the nuclear button if you can't pronounce "nuclear" without it being spelled out phonetically on a teleprompter as it was during Palin's acceptance speech. She said "nukular" several times last night. An attempt at the common touch? You betcha wink wink!

Posted by: JP | October 3, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I CANT WAIT TILL McCain is PRESIDENT
WHAT ARE THE HATERS GOING TO DO THEN ?????

Posted by: OWNAGE | October 3, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

AFTER READING THIS,
NOW I KNOW I LOVE SARAH PALIN.

Posted by: randy | October 3, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin has been....
1. a mayor, Marxist Obama has NOT.

2. governor, Marxist Obama has NOT.

3. in charge of the Alaskan National Guard, Marxist Obama has NOT.

4. a whistleblower who defeated an incumbent mayor. He has never once shown that kind of courage, Marxist Obama has NOT.

5. a whistleblower who turned in the chairman of her own party and got him fined $12,000, Marxist Obama has NOT.

6. took on the incumbent governor of her own party and beat him, Marxist Obama has NOT.

7. beat a former Democratic governor in the general election, Marxist Obama has NOT.

As Gingrich said, "I don't know of a single thing Obama's done except talk and write."

Posted by: yougogirl | October 3, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey America, try to remember one thing on Nov 4th.

You are voting in a presidenial election, not american idol.

Posted by: Gary P. | October 3, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

OWNAGE

YOU DAMN RIGHT MCCAIN GONNA GIT R DUN

Posted by: Johnny REP | October 3, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Aint she just the cutest lil' dumplin' ?

-puke

Just what we need - George Bush in a dress.
------------------------------------

Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Posted by: Pulsamsara | October 3, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Serial winker...

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:-)

Posted by: chicagopearl | October 3, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

There goes the bigoted and privileged Radical Right starting their 100% false attacks on our future President. "He's a Muslim!" LIE. "He's a communist." LIE. Seriously, if you have to resort to such outrageous comments Obama will win very comfortably come November. The American people are not stupid and they are not going to fall for the scare tactics any longer.

Obama/Biden 08 country first!

Posted by: chris | October 3, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Yes, yes... Obama is a muslim communist... we know, we know.... it's so obvious, unlike the Mnachrian candidate McCain who after spending 5 years as a POW came out looking fit and healthy because he cooperated in ways we will never know about. And talk about elite! McCain silver-spooned blue-blood, daddy get me into the Academy, 7 houses, wife-dumping flipflop philanderer...

You are all immigrants in America (except the First nations), and religion has no place in politics (read your constitution), so try actually voting on issues rather than lettin grace and religion poison your thoughts, please.

Posted by: Mike Robinson | October 3, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

frakinbend,

You obviously need to read up on what socialism entails. Last time I checked it runs parallel with many of Obama's views and implementation he wants to employ. The line b/w socialism and communism is very thin. We do not need more government power. They have enough and take enough of my money as is every year.

Posted by: Marc | October 3, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"Vapid" doesn't begin to describe Palin. She has the mind of a high-school cheerleader, and the same demeanor. What a testament to how far we've fallen. I never thought I would think Dan Quayle wasn't the bottom of the barrel. He's not. We've set a new low water mark. Congratulations, John McCain. Our hero.

Posted by: Abarafi | October 3, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I CANT WAIT TILL McCain is PRESIDENT
WHAT ARE THE HATERS GOING TO DO THEN ?????

Posted by: OWNAGE | October 3, 2008 4:49 PM

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good point OWNAGE.I was thinking about the same thing.I think they will hang themself

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The underlying theme of every position Palin has uttered: "All of us dumb people really do know better than all of the smart people. Wink. You know who you (we) are. Wink. There's safety in numbers. Wink. If we dumb people band together, we can win. Wink. We don't need facts or brains to inform our opinions." It's amazing how the lesser individual (with her exemplary trashy family in tow) can be condescending toward a highly respected U.S. senator, and decent person. You can put lipstick on a stupid biitch, but she's still a stupid biitch.

Posted by: Elite Liberal | October 3, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Serial Wanker?

Posted by: Joe Six Pack | October 3, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

What to learn the truth about the economic mess we are in and who caused it? Get a copy of the New York Times for September 30, 1999 and check out the story about Fannie Mae. What an eye opener!It may be available on their web site.

Posted by: jc | October 3, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Are we seriously criticizing a candidate for winking and smiling? Isn't there enough content to comment on? Honestly, I don't see anyone picking on Obama or McCain's quirky mannerisms. Why do we have to pick on a woman's?

Posted by: are you serious? | October 3, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Palin wears an earpiece?

It's said that everyone is born a Democrat. Some people just never grow up.

Posted by: TheTruth | October 3, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama a Serial Loser?I tnink he is

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Marc, you are sooo correct. Move to another country. Finally, we thinking people will get rid of you idiot idealogues. Please go.

Posted by: MuckFcCain | October 3, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Her beauty pageant and sportscasting experience has served her well. She's a vapid, provincial twit. What has this country come to?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Chris,
So Obama and Biden are not privileged? Last time I checked they both live well beyond privileged. Obama's religious ideal are what they are - I could care less if they do not interfere with his leadership abilities. His socio-economic policies make me sick. They are socialist pure and simple. You cannot deny that in any ways with what he wants to employ - The End.

Posted by: Marc | October 3, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin sparkles and shines.

But she's like giving your girlfriend a cubic zirconia engagement ring. Everything is cool unless she finds out.

Posted by: BobC | October 3, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow, we even have some ALL CAPPERS.

Sigh. "Let the wild rumpus begin!" Later, friends.

Posted by: Jumper | October 3, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I think that Palin's answer on the Vice President's role was probably one of her more carefully thought out and honestly stated positions. I think her twisting of the constitution wasn't accidental.

If McCain and Palin win the election, you can bet on two things:
- McCain will try to keep her in a laundry hamper somewhere where she can't do any damage. McCain may be a little frustrated right now and a little unpredictable overall, but he's smart enough to try to keep Palin away from any of the real wheels and levers of power.
- Palin will come out swinging, following the Dick Cheney school of thought on the Vice Presidency - that it's somewhat independent of the Executive branch.

Expect Palin to win that battle, and to find crooked little sub-constitutional ways to push her own semi-secret agenda. Image J. Edgar Hoover with lipstick, heels, and a flannel shirt-wearing husband named Todd. And that's if McCain lives out the entire term.

I think that McCain's got the wrong priorities and policies for right now. But Palin's a flat out crazed, power-hungry lunatic.

Posted by: DisFisCon | October 3, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

first of all Anonymous should be prepared to disappear from the face of the earth with his best republican friend Palin, McCain & Bush. You have no use in this country,so you bettr vanish. Rest we'll take care with democratic friends of Obama & other well wishers.
Anonymous, people like yours days are over.
May lord ave you

Posted by: wonderer | October 3, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Sarah really only made one mistake... and that was not mentioning that JOHN MCCAIN tried to put in legislation in 2005 that would have prevented this rediculous banking situation today. But it was rejected by the crooked democrats at the time and never passed.

It's not too late to start listening to him now.

MCCAIN/PALIN

Posted by: Michelle Obama | October 3, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama Smokes cigarettes (?)...wow....not good...
Mcain president, Biden VP and the other 2 are useless.
just wishing............

Posted by: ANALYSER | October 3, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama is just another politician that will do or say whatever it takes to fulfill his political ambitions. Barack is calculated and methodical about hiding his true convictions and intentions, and uses deception to get elected.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember Barack Hussein Obama’s intimate 20 year relationship with the Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright, who blessed Barack and Michelle marriage and baptized both their daughters. AND, to remember the hideous videos of Jeremiah Wright’s congregation which included the Obamas, damning America with bombastic joy, after the Muslim’s criminal attack on America on 9/11.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember how Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright used his tax-exempt church to exercise a radical political agenda, and how he refers to Israel, as well as America, as a "racist" State. Barack's religious leader, Jeremiah Wright believes that the true 'Chosen People' are the blacks; and that black values are superior to middle-class American values.
 Indeed Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright is a black supremacist.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama wants to be president to implement Jeremiah Wright’s dream of a black supremacist society in America.

The time is now!
For Americans of all political parties to come together to preserve the future of the country we love and have always been proud of, by voting for a True American Patriot and War Hero who risked his life for our country:
John McCain for President of the United States of America.

Country First!
Americans for John McCain/Sarah Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 3, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"Especially those people who have worked hard through education or entrepreneurship to achieve a nice salary"
Posted by Marc

Those are the ones who are voting for Obama,

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

And another thing... I just wet myself.

Posted by: wonderer | October 3, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

What has this country come to?
South side Chicago muslim communist cocommunity org for president?Way to go liberal losers

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I thought I was going to vomit with all that damned winking and smiling. And her use of the words "again" and "also" betray her inner thoughts as she sought to spew out as much of the talking point list she could coherently remember. On the surface it was a glossy, slick performance -- but just lurking beneath the surface was a doaster of Kouric proportions, waiting to come out. Send her back to Alaska and, if hse works real hard, she might be ready for a serious run at the VP in 8 years time.

Posted by: Orbiter Dictum | October 3, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

You think Rove's new screeching hand puppet isn't spouting spin? You think people that want a VP with some ability to speak and think is "elitism". With standards that low I guess most 6th graders are elitist. As far as the "communist" blabber. Stop listening to AM radio, 1940 is calling, they want thier idiology back.

Posted by: Hmmm | October 3, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Joel, thank you for expounding on Palin's views on the Vice Presidency. Her response was downright terrifying.

As If the Bush administration had not already expanded the powers of the Executive enough, Palin suggests she would seek even more exertion over the Legislative branch.

Alot of people, including myself, are upset with our Congress. However, please remember that they are the source of our democracy.

The Senate, and to an even greater extent the House, are THE democratic branch of our government. Every 2 years we can kick them out if we so choose. The Legislative branch's power is great, but also diluted and slow due to the deliberation of many representatives. The Executive power is concentrated and designed to act quickly without much deliberation. They balance things each other out, do not let that precarious balance be upset.

What made democracy in ancient Rome and Athens fall?

Demagogues, masking themselves as being on the side of the people, used the people's disillusionment towards their representatives to infringe on the power of the many. When congress was sufficiently weakened, he seized control and threw the people, their wishes and democracy to the flames.

Posted by: truth | October 3, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Winking is often charming when someone is flirting with you or putting you at your ease. When some people wink, they seem confident. Winking while saying something inarticulate and meaningless or false, however, has a bad effect. It shows that you're either confident of your ability to BS, or your confident that what you're saying is actually intelligent.

The winking, smiling and colloquialisms all serve as bells and whistles to distract from the information (or lack thereof) she was expressing. Read a transcript of Sarah Palin's "answers" and see how much useful, pertinent data you can find therein.

Posted by: Bambi | October 3, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

MuckFcCain,
First, I want to congratulate you on such a unique and thoughtful name. Second, last time I checked this country was founded upon freedom, but I see anyone who has a good idea that goes against a retarded ideology you simply restate what they said and ask them to leave. You are not thinking people. You are sheep with your hands out.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Who are these people?

Palin just annoyed the heck outa me, doncha know. She reminded me of certain young women I used to debate in High School. They wowed the judges with their poise and perkiness until you got to the whole cross-examination part. Then they collapsed. I won a lot of debates, but didn't get many dates.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 3, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I am still trying to figure out who O'Biden is....

Posted by: Jessica | October 3, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm voting for Sarah. She's nice and smug. The kind of smacked a-s-s I like. The smartass we need. Those saying she's George Bush in a dress are wrong. Two obvious differences. 1. Lipstick. 2. An extra set of lips.

Posted by: SuckFarah | October 3, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

firsttimeblogger, if the debate bothered you that much you should have skipped over to MSNBC and watched the full body massage of Obama.

Posted by: CharlieC | October 3, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess nature abhors a vacuum, Joel. But at least we got some new posters.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 3, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

GROW UP PEOPLE AND VOTE OUT THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS

Posted by: Jer | October 3, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm voting for Obama because:
* I don't want to work hard for my paycheck
* I really don't want to work at all
* I want the rich to coddle me for the remainder of my days as though I am an eternal child
* I'm lazy
* All of the above

Posted by: Michelle Obama | October 3, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

The majority of those voting for Obama are minorities who do not have a large salary. Nice try though Anonymous.

Posted by: Marc | October 3, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

You need to review what a Republic entails. The last time I checked, a Rebpublic was not a political system in which ignorance, fear and religious dogma as used as a method for the wealthy to continue to fatten their bank accounts.

Actually, the running of America more closley resembles the British Colonial doctrine utilized to keep a minority in oppression of a majority.

The combination of a 5th from the bottom graduate of the Boat School and a folksy evangelist from the sticks do not comprise the team that I desire to mend the class war (that Karl Rove created) and the economy and war that Bush has left us with.

Posted by: Marc | October 3, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Barack disgraces soldiers in iraq.

Posted by: OWNAGE
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I'd say making a soldier do his/her 5th tour of duty in a war that should never have been waged and not giving them proper equipment is disgraceful.

However, bringing them home to their loved ones with a free education so they can go on and lead successful lives is honoring them.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I just can't see Mc Pain and sister Sarah in the White house, an angry gambler, warmonger and artheriosclerotic fool, yea is a hero, we know, how many times we have to hear that, heroes are not automaticly qualified to be Presidents.
His philosophy is that if you have a doubt about a coutry loyalty, BOMB IT.
Hear my word Mc Pain equals DRAFT

Posted by: vanpek | October 3, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

When Palin recites memorized points she cocks her head to the side. Pay attention folks. It's hillarious. She could never play poker.

Posted by: Larry Oregon | October 3, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Um. Wow. This is just a stream of shouting and name-calling and the occasional barely-disguised profanity, both from those who claim to agree with me politically, and those who oppose my very right to breathe. But mostly from the latter group. Wow.

Need I say it? Front Page Alert!

C'mon guys -- help us uphold our reputation as a bastion of civility and reasoned discourse, even when we seriously disagree with each other. If you wanna yell, go visit Hugh Hewitt. Or Froomkin. Or the Fix. Or the Trail.


Hmmm. Joel, could you maybe post a super-secret New Kit and not tell these angry folks? Something where people can be reminded of the time and place for, uh, "Social Events", without inviting crazy people?

Posted by: PlainTim | October 3, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I wish NObama would just do me right here and now.

Posted by: SuckFarah | October 3, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Biden clearly hit all the right points. Palin ducked 'em all. Even my desperate corporate conservative friends know they are going down. tsk.

Posted by: Miss DeLight | October 3, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

first of all wonderer should be prepared to disappear from the face of the earth with his best Liberal friend Obama, Rev Right& Rezko. You have no use in this country,so you bettr vanish. Rest we'll take care with cons friends of Palin & other well wishers.
wonderer, people like yours days are over.
May lord ave you

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

In response to the opening bracketed question, no, there was not a debate. There was an unprecedented event in which a moderator asked questions, one candidate responded to the questions, and the other candidate talked about whatever she wanted to talk about.

Posted by: DoTheMath | October 3, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Yo, Anonymous, Marc is the one who said he'll leave if Obama wins. I'm just point out that if the McCain supporter left, the polarization would subside for a while.

Posted by: MuckFcCain | October 3, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

You know who else is a winker, Bush.
Mccain and Palin really are McSame.

Posted by: Joe | October 3, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand, when I watch her I do feel a little rising in my pants.

Posted by: Larry Oregon | October 3, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GET EM BARACUDA!!!!!!! HOCKEY MOMS CAN DO IT ALL!!!! LOV YA GIRLLLL!!!!

Posted by: sandyss"
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Palin isn't even a hockey mom, none of her kids play hockey so I guess NOTHING about her is true.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Rightttt those people who are voting for Obama all have a large salary and are the wealthy. The wealthy are voting for high taxes on themselves......haha

Posted by: John Doe Finkle | October 3, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1831461

Posted by: patrick | October 3, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Her answers were exactly as if she had been handed a file binder of well prepared responses.
I say this because in several cases she was avoiding the question or tried to go back to the previous question.

McCain DID NOT put "Country First" when he picked her. Articulate and bright woman - but not ready to be VP

I just hope more people see this and spend a moment to imagine if something actually did happen to McCain. She would be in way over her head....way over....way, way over.

Posted by: Jon B | October 3, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Where the heck are all these trolls coming from? Do they all have Palin set on their Google Alerts?

Palin's talk about how very glad she is that the VP jpb is so flexible scares me. Cheney sure did like that flexible VP job too.

Posted by: schala | October 3, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

ya gotta close one eye when you aim. don't confuse a wink with a sight. bang-bang

artist

Posted by: artist | October 3, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

And you know what else? Michelle Obama is about the ugliest black lady in politics.

Posted by: Joe | October 3, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not a Muslim, you piece of crap Jonny... I wish him the best given all the racist and retards out their and their biggoted views.. Btw Obama's gonna win the other party is all fluff.. And what America needs now is great leaders..

Posted by: the truth | October 3, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Biden is clearly the most qualified and experienced. He actually answered the questions with responses that addressed the issues we as middle-class Americans care about. Palin never answered a question. She continued all night with fuzzy talking points (sometimes stealing the Dems points like energy independence) and tried to win over the Joe 6-packs and Hockey Moms with here smug, "by-golly" attitude and a little winky-winky here and there. You betcha! Her energy producing State comments made me sick. Alaska has some oil, whoopee. Iowa is an energy exporter too, with tremendous ethanol production and wind farms all over the State. No oil. I'm sick of hearing how skilled a debater she is. A skilled debater will win because they understand the issues. They actually have an opinion or a platform to draw from. They actually make a point. She has nothing. She couldn't answer a single question, and zigzagged all over avoiding anything unscripted. Every statement she made regarding foreign leaders and situations abroad, whenever she had to pronounce a foreign leader's name, was spouted out like she had just crammed for the test the night before (yet she couldn't remember McKiernan). It was the high school class president against the Senator.

Posted by: SoDak | October 3, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I say we vote for someone that matters... like Ron Paul!!!!!

Posted by: schala | October 3, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The boss hit a nerve apparently. Cripes. It will quiet down eventually, I hope.

I've got MBPH envy suddenly. Spouse and spawns have decamped to the Louvres in Québec city, I've got the weekend to myself for quality times with the dogs. For Q city's 400th anniversary the Louvres lend a nice collection to a local museum.
http://www.lelouvreaquebec.com/

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow, another Palin basher. Original. Do you look like Tina Fey and do the whole act?

Posted by: Captain V. | October 3, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Manolete! Nice critical thinking. Oh wait! Thinking is unpatriotic. Better step in line there.

Posted by: frankinbend | October 3, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Palin must have thought the debate was a beauty contest. How unqualified is she? People of American will not be fooled by this woman, she dodges questions, laughs and winks at every moment. Since when the war in Iraq is a laughing matter.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Palin demonstrated she is not about to be impressed with the status quo , baffle them with BS, lets give the country away to the slackers. Most of us have recognized this trait as admirable and would recognize the fact that those who cast stones are generally the dolts.

Posted by: amazed | October 3, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to everyone that liked me in the debate last night. Please note, however, that I was drunk as a skunk and I sharted in my pants.

Posted by: Joe Biden | October 3, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Muslim or not Obama's policies are completely terrible.

Posted by: Marc | October 3, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Way to miss the point Jim... *rolls eyes*

Posted by: Dave | October 3, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Yo yo yo! Barry fans in da house! Wassup my naggers? KFC fo all y'all!

Posted by: Michelle Obama | October 3, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

people with long comments know more than people with short comments

Posted by: Mike | October 3, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

SCC Plese do your own corrections. I'm tired.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Great. McCain's 72 year old brain is showing signs of early dementia, not to mention the melanoma. Palin is gosh golly neato super okey dokey--she seems so innocent now, but wait 'til she commits crimes against humanity like Cheney. She'll be super alright then, I'm sure. What better puppets could an underground society of autocrats want?

Posted by: rckstrdave | October 3, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Front page alert, belated. Welcome to all you new posters, but you may have misunderstood where you are. Achenblog is a humor blog - also thoughtful, sciency stuff. Basically Achenbach tries to find a light, humorous slant on whatever topic he's taking up in the blog. Sometimes this is to treat serious topics with humor. Sometimes it isn't.

Really, the reference to Lucy & Charlie Brown should have tipped you off.

So if you aren't seeing the humor in looking at the debate from this angle, or if you don't think people should treat the debates and the election in a lighthearted spirit, maybe you should go visit another blog where they do ugly partisan politics - and I mean both sides.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 3, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Where the heck are all these trolls coming from? Do they all have Obama set on their Google Alerts?

obama's empty talk scares me.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

@ Anonymous User, Marc, OWNAGE, yougogirl., and johnny REP

Wow, you five are the prime example of how the education system has failed. If you four truly believe what you wrote, which I find unbelieveable difficult to believe, then I am speechless in regards to your stupidity. I don't like Obama, but I didn't think that anyone truly believed he was a Muslim. It's a good thing your likely all under age (7-10 0 0judging by your posts) because that way you wont be able to further taint the already tainted election system. The only downside is that you will all likely become lifetime voters. What a shame.

Posted by: X | October 3, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really believe that McCain would give Palin the same authority as Bush gave Cheney? LOL!

Posted by: Ken | October 3, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"The majority of those voting for Obama are minorities who do not have a large salary. Nice try though Anonymous.

Posted by: Marc "
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Read your post, I'll give you another shot to edit it.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

3 troll posting per minute. Wow.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The change Obama wants isn't necessarily the change you are looking for. Let's see, universal health care, tax the corporation more, tax the rich more means less jobs because most businesses will either go somewhere else or just cut personnel, but at least you'll all have health care. No prescription drugs though that's not part of the health care deal.

Wake up - things aren't that bad - it's just life - deal with it! Go McCain -Palin

Posted by: tdko | October 3, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

RepubliCANT sheep. Face it, your candidates are a JOKE.... voting for PAIN/MCSAME, is another vote for 4 more years of Bush. Face it, W makes you cringe, that is why McSame refuses to acknowledge him.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Why can't anyone believe that I wasn't responsible for this financial crisis?? I assure you I was at home with my boyfriend when that all happened.

Posted by: Barney Frank | October 3, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"Joe 6 Pack"???? ummm, are you insinuating that the average middle class man is a drunk???? and what about all the other hard working moms that are not "Hockey Moms"

get with it lady... not every thing is peachy

Failin Palin can go back to Alaska


Hate to tell all you Republicans... McBush and Failin Palin will not be in the White House anytime soon..unless of course there are more hangin chads this election

P.S. Bush WILL GO DOWN AS THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA

Posted by: Obama | October 3, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Biden made sense while Palin tried to make friends. She came across as a beauty pageant contestant with a nervous wink. Take away the word maverick and she hasn't much to talk about. She is as phony as a three dollar bill. After last week's performance McCain's campaign is in the dumpster where it belongs

Posted by: hearditall | October 3, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"You people are the reason that we "must" raise the educational standards in the USA!"

OC I couldn't agree with you more! I'm a working class guy and can't understand how people can vote for someone based on the way they look or make them feel. Joe six pack has been in the white house for 8 years now and look were we are today! Education is always underfunded in this country. Keep em stupid and drunk so the government can rob them blind. Can you image our political scenario today happening in England? Never, people over there actually have a level of literacy and know how to read between the lines.

Posted by: Juan | October 3, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

If Obama is Communist as you people say, then McCain/Palin/Bush are proportionally Fascist...

Posted by: Tim | October 3, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

It is so painful that anyone still believes Obama is a Muslim.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_obama.html

For that matter, just peruse the whole site. It's nonpartisan and extremely educational.

Posted by: schala | October 3, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

5to6 TP/min

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Can she say 'Yes' instead of 'You betcha' while flashing that girly, cutie pie grin of an adolescent cheerleader coming off the soccer field? Who falls for this crap?
Look folks, anyone who deeply cares about the security of this great country simply cannot vote for McCain. Otherwise, we will actually have a very good chance of having her be a 72 year olds heart beat away from the presidency. She is utterly unprepared and unqualified.

Posted by: Dan McClain | October 3, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN/PALIN

Posted by: Tim | October 3, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Don't you know who O'Biden is? He's the one running against McPalin.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey, any boodlers out there - I'm fleeing back to the last Kit. Too much shouting in here.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 3, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

And another thing, I'm tired of having to wear clothes in public. Why can't we pass a low that lets Barney Frank have whooopie with any democrat man he wants without risk of prison time??

Posted by: Dan McClain | October 3, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

It is all over for McCain and Palin.

Obama and Biden are on there way to the White House without doubt.

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"She's not just a winker, she's a twinkler. And a champion smile-talker."

Is she also a joker, a smoker, a midnight toker?

Posted by: Kevin Moore | October 3, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

To yougogirl:

You do not know what a marxist is. It sounds very scary... rolls off the tongue... makes you feel smart, I'll bet. Obama is not a marxist. He is a democrat.

If you're looking for marxists, you'll find them in the communist party, next to the trotskyites. "Trotskyite" is harder to say, though, and even though using it correctly would make you look smarter, you still wouldn't understand what it meant, I'll warrant.

kthxbai

Posted by: LiberalFromDenver | October 3, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

i agree Obama Osama is the opposite of David Duke

Posted by: sally | October 3, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA/BIDEN 08

Posted by: Tim | October 3, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Posted by: the real mccain | October 3, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

And after they get impeached they be on their way to the Big House.

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

General Eisenhower said "Old soldiers never die. They just fade away." McCain is just an old soldier who's trying his best not to fade away.

A woman I know said about Sarah Palin, "Anyone can smile but watch that thread count." In other words, How much more is there beyond her smile? Not much.

If McCain had enough to say, he wouldn't lie so much. The McCain campaign is one endless lie after another. Even after they've been shown the truth they can't stop retelling the same lies, like "Barack will raise your taxes." It's like someone so old and senile once he starts shaking your hand he just can't stop. You can feel sorry for someone that old but that doesn't mean you have to vote for him.

Posted by: Morton Redner | October 3, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Marc,

You must mean the line between Marxism and Leninism is thin. The differnece is when a system removes itself from it's original goals and begins to serve it's masters.

This is similar between the current difference between our original Republic and the new Facist Theocracy.

Lenin to Marx is as Bush W is to Reagan. I guess that makes McCain Stalin and Palin Nikolai Yezhov.

Posted by: frankinbend | October 3, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Wow @ October 3, 2008 4:40 PM:

You made me laugh out loud. Very funny comment!

Posted by: Andrew | October 3, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I smoke crack... just like my savior NOBAMA.

Posted by: Tim | October 3, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

This article is right on target: Every single one of Palin's gesture, every facial expression seemed plasic and rehearsed. Did it ever happen to you that you overhear some silly person using the word "like" three or for times in a sentence – and you are not sure what you would do if you had a gag handy? I couldn't shake a similar feeling hearing Sarah Palin speak last night. We all use the word "also" occasionally. She used it in the debate more then a 1000 times – yes, that is more than one thousand times. Let alone other aspects, it seems preposterous to even consider a person with such poor rethorical skills for such a high position…

Posted by: Matthias Marklin | October 3, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

JEEZ why R U talkinhg about winkin and stuff insted of WHAT A LIER all politicians are especially


Oh no. It's catching...

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 3, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Biden needs to get to a psychiatrist and deal with his child's death after all these years or quit using the tragedy of the death to get votes.

Posted by: sick of emotionalism in politics | October 3, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

if people started with the personalizations of obama, like he's an angry black man, he is black power in a dress suit, how about those ears! there would be HOWLS of racisism, "how awful" "blah. blah. blah.
You liberals can dish it out but you can"t take it. If people treated you or obama the way a lot of people have treated Palin, the sound of the big Cry Babies would be deafening.
It is amazing how inteligent the liberal masses think they are yet regress to name caling, finger pointing, propaganda when it suits their point of view. Shame on you - you have no integrity Like a spoiled child you want everyone else around you to live up to a standard of discourse that you cannot even ive up to.
HOw many of you are baby boomers or children of the baby boomers? Exactly.

Posted by: joie | October 3, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Palin reminds me of GW through and through - all smiles and no one home..."say it AIN'T so Joe". The debate level was lowered as she continued to embarrass women with her canned nonsense.PLEASE...America deserves intellegence in the white house this time around. Having Constitution Law professors in the top spots would be a welcome relief to the last 8 years. As for experiencing middle class, Obama/Biden have been there for a longer time than McCain...that's fer darn sure..you betcha.

Posted by: indetodemo | October 3, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Palin played it like the debate was another beauty contest. Lots of cute, but no substance.

Posted by: DWayne | October 3, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm rubbing hot oil on my testes while typing with one hand.

Posted by: Matthias Marklin | October 3, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm unimpressed by all of you who unrelentingly bash Palin. I'm not voting McCain, but you guys are being ridiculous.

She was charming, refreshing, unique and unlike any politician I've seen in quite sometime, yet you guys nit-pick on the most ludicrous things.

I find it unique that a politician would encourage third graders (who can't even vote) to watch the depate.

She winked at the audience, that is not condescending. She RELATES to people.

Biden did a great job too, his style is completely different though. He is much more a tried and true politician and his mannerisms show it too.

I don't like McCain, but I like what Palin signifies for politicians. Real people getting involved. I don't care if she is not qualified yet, but she will be.

But for now, Obama/Biden has my vote.

Posted by: Unimpressed | October 3, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

But she sho was hot. Mmm Mmm!

Posted by: DWayne | October 3, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Good job by Palin. She is as smart as a 5th grader. We both love Israel! Of course we know what a VP does! Golly, Joe Sixpack should be President!! Elect me and we get extra recess and new cheerleader uniforms!!!

8D LOL HEHEHE HAHA

Sarah Barracuda

Posted by: Heck ya | October 3, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I say move to the last boodle. The lights are still on. Now watch while I chum the water:

Sarah Palin didn't know that The Right Honourable The Lord Cullen of Whitekirk was a Knight of the Order of the Thistle! Haw, what kind of idiots would we look like if SHE was VP???

Posted by: Jumper | October 3, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: schala | October 3, 2008 5:09 PM

schala - Excellent point!
But do you think these morons who make up stories about Obama care about the truth? No way. They are just a bunch of numbskulls who happen to have access to a computer.

Posted by: Anon | October 3, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Biden was hardly gaffe-free.

How about not knowing the VP's constitutional duties?
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Sounds like you and Palin need to read the U.S.Constitution. Biden got it right. You and Palin are failin'.

Posted by: DWayne | October 3, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

What a disgrace Palin is to women! And no fault of hers. Any male governor put in this position would be the same, maybe worse. Why should we have to talk about her being cute and nice. Why can we not be talking about her strong opinions and perceptions of the current situation.
Why does it seem that she was chosen more for the skirt than the shirt?
So, once again the male establishment has 'used' a woman (read skirt) for the skirt and not for the intellect.
If women feel proud about McCain selecting Pallin and cannot see thru' this ploy, then they deserve all the bias that they have coming to them.
Look at Condoleeza Rice, Hillary Clinton, Madeline Allbright.. real women.. not there just for the skirt and the smile.
Shame on McCain. But even bigger shame on the women that could to see thru' this.

Posted by: brian | October 3, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I didn't know the true charter of this blog. Since I have to be funny, here goes...President McCain and Vice President Palin. There. Funny enough?

Posted by: SoDak | October 3, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

But Obama is the idiot.Mmm Mmm!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of the fear mongering republican tactics, telling us that if a democrat is elected the country will "lose jobs" and lose the war and bring back terrorist power is the same BS strategy they have been preaching the last 8 years. GTFO republicans.

Posted by: Jesse | October 3, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Sarah was winking at me! I saw her eyes sparkle as she looked across my living room at me in high definition beauty, she gazed into my eyes, into my soul. There is no doubt she wants me. I would slay a moose for her, I would burn a library.

Posted by: Tinfoil Hat | October 3, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of getting the government the Republican water carriers deserve.

McCain/Palin = More of the same

Posted by: FC | October 3, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Americans are sooo stupid. In general, and for the most part.

Posted by: Matt | October 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin seems to think that she can connect with "Joe Sixpack" by pretending to be common folk but she didn't connect with me. I found her to be evasive and arrogant. The "shout-out" was inappropriate and her "Say it ain't so Joe" remark was just nasty. I don't want a pit bull for a political leader, I want someone with tact. She reminds me of the leader of the clique in high school who made fun of the fat girls.

Posted by: Rob Wilson | October 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I just love these Palin fans and supporters, they really try hard dont they.

they know in their hearts Palin will be returning to Alaska opening a fast food McMoose outlet.

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

OOO! You guys, flip it to the Dish Network channel 73!!! You'll have hours of entertainment!!!!!

NOBAMA... All fluff, All the time

I'm Barry Obama and I approve this message.

Posted by: Barry Soetoro | October 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Unimpressed,

I admit that the debate was uphanded and refreshing. I came off impressed with Joe Biden and honestly surprised that Sarah Palin didn't emit a stream of idiocracy.

I saw Biden as presidential and Palin as .. small town mayorial.

Fits.

Posted by: frankinbend | October 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

palin is a millionaire...she is not middle class..

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Man..after watching the whole debate, for sec i thought i had chance with her (she was winking and smiling at me sametime).

Posted by: wackyracer | October 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Looks like more and more former Hillary supporters are backing McCain/Balin as a result of last night's debate. They are seeing that she doesn't ride a broom like the media has been portraying her. Chris Mathews calling her a "Dolt" is the latest example. I love her enthusiasm, which is head and shoulders above anyone I have seen in political life, on either side of the isle. She also is more qualified to lead the country than either Obama or Biden.

Posted by: DL13 | October 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

If Putin completed owned Bush (read: the looked into his soul thing), think of what he would do to Palin. He'd probably be able to convince her to hand over the launch device and codes and give him a little shoulder rub.

But seriously, the winking and the whatever-the-hell-that-was act and yet there are people who are saying insane things like she has more qualifications than Obama to be president? Where the hell do you idiots come from? Is it that you're turned on by the 'naughty librarian' routine? Listening to her talk its clear that not only does she not speak clearly, she doesn't think clearly. Which is probably a valid statement about anyone still supporting that ticket.

Posted by: Strange Days | October 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Piggy the winking Moose Slayer!

Posted by: Tom | October 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

So any of you hot lesbos want some of this?

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I love recession, endless war for oil, and the highest gas prices ever. Go GOP!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:15 PM

I bet you did not even graduate from grade school. Grow up.

Posted by: nel | October 3, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

u liberals just lost main point-Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need a muslim communist in our WH?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"I CANT WAIT TILL McCain is PRESIDENT
WHAT ARE THE HATERS GOING TO DO THEN ?????"

Um...fill his Cabinet? Run the Executive Branch? Basically continue Bush's failed policies?

Yep, that about sums it up.

Posted by: Rob in MN | October 3, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Let me just note that the "Tim" who has posted here is not me.

Posted by: PlainTim | October 3, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Anyone that believes that Obama is a gay, south side chicago communist cell of AlQuaida - has been listening to Steve Doocey too much.

I look at McCains past record of non regulation, corporte tax breaks, long time ties to lobbyists. - and se a big brown piece of turd telling everyone how nice he smells.

It took PORK to get republicans to pass the bill today. How about that, John and Sarah?

Posted by: you can fool me once | October 3, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Palinstorm! Weeeeeeeeeeeee!

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I find it amazing the the strenght of our economy is the working american people. But the 95% of working the working class american people shouldnt get a tax break. But the hard working people who make over 250,000 a year should get a tax break. Sounds to me the Republicans have a different view of what working really means.

Posted by: Tom | October 3, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Quickly wondering if I can hop a plane to DC and take cover in the bunker.

Posted by: dmd | October 3, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I felt like Sarah was trying to flirt with me through the TV, by selling a used car lemon. I have never seen a VP candidate give a shout out at a debate!! Seems like Sarah thinks she's running for Student Council or Miss Wassila. Facial contortions and winks won't get my vote. No substance in that skirt suit Miss Sarah!!

Posted by: T | October 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Dang... they're finally on to me... they just found out my citizenship is not completely accurate...

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/13/

Posted by: Barry Soetoro | October 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"Looks like more and more former Hillary supporters are backing McCain/Balin"

Oh, what a whopper. Nice try, though. Women are abandoning the McCain ticket in droves.

And your girl's name is Palin, btw.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I was listening to the first part of the speech on the radio and could literally feel the impact of that stupid smile crawling up my spine.

Posted by: Webwanker | October 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I liked it when Sarah winked at me but IM NOT VOTING FOR HER!

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

You're not rubbing olive oil on your testes PlainTim?

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Palin fits perfectly into that Republican mold of cutsey females. Remember how the Republican right savaged former Attorney General Janet Reno for her looks. Now we know that beauty IS a qualification in the Repub selection process. Who was the more competent and ethical AG, Janet Reno or Alberto Gonzalez? Gonzo should have been ousted for being plain stupid and is lucky not to be in jail for perjury and misuse of his office.

Posted by: Tom in Alabama | October 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"I CANT WAIT TILL McCain is PRESIDENT
WHAT ARE THE HATERS GOING TO DO THEN ?????"

Ummm...Liberals will go and f..k themself.After that they will hang themself .I like it

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Wow...
As am reading these posts I can not understand how ignorant people are.

Obama is a Christan, not Muslim. Obama has pushed legislation in the Illinois house, really. I have no idea where people get the idea the he is a communist.

Stop listening to the distortions and LIES the the Republican right.

If you do not like him because he is half black, just say you are a racist and deal with it.

Posted by: Phil | October 3, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Palin is technically right about Vice-Presidential Duties:
The Vice President "shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be evenly divided" (Article I, section 3). In practice, the number of times vice presidents have exercised this right has varied greatly. John Adams holds the record at 29 votes, followed closely by John C. Calhoun with 28. Since the 1870s, however, no vice president has cast as many as 10 tie-breaking votes. While vice presidents have used their votes chiefly on legislative issues, they have also broken ties on the election of Senate officers, as well as on the appointment of committees in 1881 when the parties were evenly represented in the Senate.

Posted by: Leopard | October 3, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

how old are you? what are your credentials? I could only assume extreme nepotism would allow such prepubescent mutterings to appear. Do you get paid for these meaningless paragraphs you jizz out? Poor writing!

Posted by: shawn | October 3, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Republicans crack me up...ask them a question about their candidate and their answer is a question about yours! I guess no matter who McCain picked Repugnants would say they loved em...it could be Carrot Top and you guys would go down swinging...

Posted by: Holden | October 3, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN/PALIN

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"Dont forget the main thing-Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.do we need a muslim communist in our WH?"


Got hate?

Obama: Christian, liberal, Democrat.

But that's what you said, right???

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Those of you equating Obama with socialism and equating tax cuts with reduced (and better) government are missing a few things, I think.
- Long ago, in or before the Reagan days, we decided to flirt with a trickle down economy. The tax code was turned on its head - gross receipts were dramatically cut, and enormous tax cuts for the wealthy were carved out. The tax burden was shifted in two directions - toward the middle class (those of us who have a "real" job) and toward the future (by drastically increasing the federal deficit and debt).
- More or less coincidental with the trickle-down experiment we decided to double down on our faith on private industry leaders, and allow several industries to self-regulate.
- We let that little experiment run for 20 years or so. Every 4 years, at election time, we look to see whether we can conclude that trickle-down is good or bad.
I think that this is the cycle where we figure out that trickle-down, don't pay as you go economics are not just suspect; they're flat out bad. The rich have gotten a ton richer and the middle class have gotten a ton poorer.

"Trickle down" economics ultimately trickled down very nicely, if you live in India or China, where what once used to be American jobs now reside.

Deregulation created enormous strange and bad effects, perhaps the worst of which are wrapped around the easy credit that resulted from lax banking capitalization requirements. Our nation is not stronger now in any way than it was in 1980. We carry less weight in the rest of the world, we owe the rest of the world more money, and we've become a nation of borrowers, reaching our eager, sweating hands out begging for one more fix of cash.

We need the right kind of "more government" right now. Not to bail out the idiots on Wall Street, but to regulate the markets in such a way that there's transparency and accountability. Arguing that we need less government interference in business right now is just plain silly.

Don't argue that "less government" is the answer. Feel free to argue that "more efficient and effective government" is the answer.

The Democrats have historically been labeled as the "tax and spend" party. That's not a great moniker to have hung around your neck. But it's a heck of a lot more responsible than being the "borrow and spend" party, which is what the Republican party has shown itself to be over the past quarter century. And if you really wanted to look at irresponsible spending over the last 25 years, you're looking at the Republicans.

Posted by: DisFisCon | October 3, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

This debate was almost worthless. Sen Biden so clearly outclassed Gov Palin that it made me sick.

Gov Palin, at her best, proved to be the intellectual equal of George Bush. Her knowledge is dictated by her simple ideology.

Sen Biden proved himself to be so far above Gov Palin in both intellect and knowledge that there should be no "Fair and Balanced" bunk about this debate.

Gov Palin is simply not qualified to hold the post of Vice President. Sen Biden is.

Gov Palin is nothing more than a hood ornament.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

ha ha ha

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Holden... you're getting me excited with that Carrot reference... busy later?

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I know the debate was yesterday's news, but here's what I got out of it.

McCain tried to stop this problem in 2005 (Bill S-190 of the 109th Congress), CRAs and ACORN (where Obama got his start)helped create this mess and that Obama/Biden are against same sex marriage.

Please read up on these things. They are pretty scary. Please make an informed decision with your vote.

Posted by: slake | October 3, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

WOW...we seriously need funding for schools!
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"I CANT WAIT TILL McCain is PRESIDENT
WHAT ARE THE HATERS GOING TO DO THEN ?????"

Ummm...Liberals will go and f..k themself.After that they will hang themself .I like it

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:19 PM

Posted by: Tom | October 3, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

My measurements are 34-24-34... and that's just from the neck up...

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Phil dont lie to us.Everybody know by now that Obama is a muslim.The sad part that he is a muslim communist

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Anon @ 5:15 -- The people yelling in here really, really don't care one bit. I'm sure they know it's false but peddle it anyway because it's fun. But maybe there's a few people out there reading who haven't heard of factcheck before. It sure does feel like a useless battle though!

Posted by: schala | October 3, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Nice!! pretty good
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Holden... you're getting me excited with that Carrot reference... busy later?

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:21 PM

Posted by: Hiolden | October 3, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow! you Obama fans are just wonderful people, you can see everything about everyone but you can't admit you picked a total lightweight. I hope he wins so you can all throw stones at yourselves.

Posted by: dg | October 3, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Give me a winker as opposed to a spinner.

The rest of you "elite" folks can go shovel some more manure.

Posted by: Scarlett | October 3, 2008

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You sound just like little Miss PalinWon with your elitist cries. And John McCain is the biggest spinner there is. The biggest flip flopper to. If you want I could post a whole page of them just for you

Posted by: Hemi | October 3, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, this is a liberal blog. The mean spirited, misogynistic stuff is getting old. Biden is a plagiarist, and really should go reread the Constitution to review what a VP does in the legislative branch. If Palin had made his errors, she'd have been crucified. All of your posters are preaching to their own choir. The "undecided" vote is very decided. They just like the attention. How could you not know who is better for the country in general? Either you are a socialist at heart or not. There is no more Democrat party. We need 3 parties- Liberals, Conservatives and Moderates. Liberals stole the Democrat party. The choice now is between the Socialist (Obama) and what used to be called a Democrat (McCain). It's not that you can't criticize Palin- it's just that you do it with so much bias and lack of veracity that you lose your own credibility. You sound like a middle school girl. This is why people give Fox the highest ratings. They ALWAYS have someone on from both parties. At least the viewer has something to compare and contrast. The excuse I guess is that it is YOUR blog.

Posted by: YumYum | October 3, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Look, this is the democrap site... all y'all haters can go someplace else!!

Now, let's talk more about me. Any of y'all want to 'tap' me for vice president?

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I love Sarah Palin because she is a hockey mom and eats moose burgers BUT I AM NOT VOTING FOR HER!!! as much as I love her lipstick! This country is in a mess right now and I am not risking the future because how much I like her. Vote for Obama , much less risk.

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

@ That Guy --

(full disclosure -- i was a teenage Republican)

i am much better off financially today than i was seven years ago.

but if my company is to keep growing, we need a stable economy. and a stable currency.

we don't require a high-school diploma for our entry-level positions, but if we have a job applicant who won't give a direct answer to a direct question, we politely conclude the interview. we don't need trouble in our shop.

and a rehearsed answer or a non-answer instead of an answer is just as good as a lie.

and, on top of everything else, i want my constitution back.

i trust Obama and (thank ya', Sarah) O'Biden. I trust their perspective, the way they approach our nation's problems, the philosophy behind their positions.

and McBush, McCheney, McCain and McPalin have no perspective, no approach, and no philosophy whatsoever.

Posted by: escaswv cvpko | October 3, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama IS NOT a Christian!!! He said he believes there was a Jesus.... and So does the DEVIL!

Posted by: Socialist | October 3, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

anonymous: Hope you got the muslim communist out of your system long enough to relax and enjoy the thrashing Sen. Obama will provide to the mavericks in November. Sad that you feel your diatribe and repetition of BS will scare anyone. It is going to be such a relief to finally have a muslim communist president! We have been limping along without one for so long.

Posted by: jimimosey | October 3, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN/PALIN 2008, 2012

PALIN/??? 2016/2020

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I find testes rubbed with olive oil and lightly sauteed really are so much healthier than the traditional preparation. This is why we need better nutrition education in our schools.

Posted by: schala | October 3, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

You wrote: One moment jumped out: After Biden choked up, talking about not knowing if a child would make it, Palin didn't react at all -- as if she weren't even listening to him. Warm-and-fuzzy Palin seemed suddenly rather Arctic.

Actually, I thought that she seemed rather respectful at that moment. It would have made the situation even more awkward if she had spoken directly to him at that moment and acknowledged his pain. It wasn't "Arctic" or cold... it was respecting him as a man, to move on with the debate.

Posted by: Mary | October 3, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that the right wingers can't acknowledge that people can disagree with them without being "communists", "the opposite of David Duke"?, or unpatriotic. Everything the right wingers say is personal attack, misinformation and hyperbole. This administration has been an utter disaster, it needs to be fixed and historically that has been left to the Democrats and Liberals. Please, Republicans, just admit that Bush was a mistake, that the world has not ended when the Democrats have been in control in the past, and that most of the progress achieved in this country has occurred because those with a progressive philosophy have occasionally been in power.

Posted by: David | October 3, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

My family members that have been serving in Iraq for over 6 years have gone crazy. The light in their eyes and the skip in their step are no longer there; just an empty stare into space and listless disinterest in interacting. Their dreams for a happy future have been clouded into thinking that life is war. When is it ever ok to use hands and weapons against someone? When you go home tonight and you see your family ask yourself, how would I feel if someone kicked down my door right now and shot down my family members? Do you want to see your family hurt and bloody? Do you punch your wife? Husband? Kids? We have disgraced ourselves the world over with our careless callous disingenuous behavior. Leave the entertainment in Hollywood and let the diplomacy in Washington, once again honor the greatness that is who we are. We love people. We are good to people. We want the best for all people. How insulting to call our own people “Joe Six-pack.” It is as if the writer of those words has pigeon holed everyone that is not rolling in dough as some yahoo-hick living beer to beer. Every person has a dream in their heart and wants the best for themselves and their family. We all deserve to be treated and spoken too like First Class citizens. As a teacher I know that the students that are pigeon holed stay pigeon holed, the students that are inspired to their highest ideals go onto make great contributions to their lives and communities. I would love to see us get back on track uplifting and appreciating all American’s; not just a select few. The middle class has been towing the line long enough. Obama and Biden are inspiring. Inspiration goes a lot further than entertainment. I have a dream … a dream of America being respected again and elevating their ability to manage and inspire great exhibitions of humanity around the globe.

Posted by: LadyLiberty | October 3, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Maybe some people find Palin very appealing which is fine but they also consider capable....and I don't know why....I realize she is a Govenor but she presents herself so much less knowledgable and capable than the governor of my state...

Posted by: Jerry | October 3, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you schala... you're hot.

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

there is another fact-Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.AS i said before-no wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.This are undisputble facts

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Barack Hossain Obamma is a SOCIALST!!!

He wants the governmnt to sieze private property! He wants the government to give away hundreds of bilions of your tax dolars to lazy people that could'nt handle their money!

Oh wait - that's not Obama, that's Bush.

Nevermind.

Posted by: philko | October 3, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

To me, Gov. Palin simply killed Sen. Biden in the debate.

I feel sorry for Biden. He has to defend Obama even though he doesn't even believe that Obama is qualified.

Posted by: Cathy | October 3, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

All us who really love Palin also love the exclamation point! We love hootin' and hollerin' and the best device to convey our enthusiasm is that handy bit of punctuation!

Posted by: WE LOVE PALIN! | October 3, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a baby killn machine! The ironic part about abortion is the People who believe in it are Democrats and they are the ones doing it. NOW THE AMAZING PART. They are killing off future DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!

Posted by: Socialist | October 3, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

In actual practice, the VP's duties vary depending on the Administration. For instance, in the current Administration, the VP operates the puppet strings, and also meets with oil company executives behind closed doors to help minimize any profit erosion caused by unnecessary competitive forces.

That's the exception, though. Typically, VP is responsible for bringing coffee and donuts in the morning, and waiting anxiously like the Maytag repairman for the rare opportunity to break a tie in the Senate.

Posted by: Bush Doctorin' | October 3, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
If you vote for NOBAMA
I'm gonna blow you.

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Biden forgot that when Franklin Roosevelt wrote the Constitution, he went on TV to announce that the Vice President's only specified duty was to preside over the Senate.

Posted by: VB in NC | October 3, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting to read comments from Palin fans and supporters. I can understand how they feel being frustrated not knowing anything and trying to sound as if they do.

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Joel please, for the love of a deity, a science kit, I beg you.
Bended knees 'n' all.

For example, on the discovery of a stressosome in bacteria that swings into action in response to external threats. Do we have one of those in the bunker?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081002172007.htm

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 3, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Maybe some people find Obama very appealing which is fine but they also consider capable....and I don't know why....I realize he is a community org but he presents himself so much less knowledgable and capable than any bum

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

How may I ask are you people getting ideas that Obama and Biden will transform the country into a communist or socialist one? If you could provide evidence to me that all adds up to that other than your initial accusation I may take in your reasoning. Please e-mail me at mikepeterson998@hotmail.com if you can prove that to me. As of now some of you are sounding just as bad as Nazis or KKK members whose only backing form their views and ideas is not proof and evidence but only their views and ideas.

Posted by: Mike | October 3, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree Kimmo, it is quite warm in my room. Time to go turn on the air conditioner!

Posted by: schala | October 3, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Sara Palin is more of an embarrassment than Bush, Jr. has been. She tried to read her talking points but when she went off script a few times, she could not make a competent sentence structure. She was extremely distant and way too folksy for someone who is running for the second most powerful position in our government.

While Biden is not the best "apples of the bunch", at least he is on the same planet as me. Palin is from another world; one where Jesus means more than reality and answering a specific question with a specif answer is not required.

She's a joke and an embarrassment. The way she is makes me laugh.

Posted by: OhMy Gawd | October 3, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting to read comments from Obama's fans and supporters. I can understand how they feel being frustrated not knowing anything and trying to sound as if they do.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain dropping out of Michigan puts him in mathemtical corner.

He is concentrating on five or six "must have" that Bush carried in 04. The problem is that he is not leading in any of those.

Michigan is experiencing today what other states will experience shortly. Huge unemployment numbers. He stands a snowball's chance there, and wants the election over before the rest of the country looks like Michigan.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Sarah is Bush ideology but dressed in a skirt,

She so naturally smiles and winks,
(instead of smirk) ;}

Posted by: pensive2 | October 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Sarah, keep your mouth shut and take your clothes off. Larry and Hugh have a bundle of cash waiting when you grace the pages of their mags after the GOP train wreck in November.

Posted by: JohnnyOnTheSpot | October 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

It isn't all Palin bashing, it's called making legitimate arguments against her positions.

Her take on the role of a VP was one of the most undemocratic things I have ever heard a representative say, and it sounds much worst when I read the transcript.

The Executive has no place infringing on the legislative branch's powers. The legislative represents the rule of the many, and we vote out a large part of representatives every 2 years which is a great mechanism to protect democracy.

The founding fathers set this up so that the House, with its many reps, would be the prime mouthpiece of the people. The Senate with less and more seasoned reps would be a sobering balance for the "wildness" of the House.

Go read the federalist papers and tell me the founding fathers wouldn't be upset by the proposition as she made.

Posted by: kickme | October 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

It is all over for McCain and Palin.

Obama and Biden are on their way to the White House and a good thing they are.

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

*** VOTE FOR OBAMA***, join me and quit your job live on Welfare and Food Stamps. Republicans will pay for our Health Care with their taxes! What idiots! Keep workin Republicans, Millions on Welfare Depend on You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Socialist | October 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Who would you trust in office more? A president that graduated with high honors from Harvard or a president that graduated 5th from the bottom of his class of 800 sum students.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

is this all you have...

you thought biden was excellent ? dear god if you thought that then stop trashing palin

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/10/02/joe-bidens-14-lies-during-the-debates/

Posted by: lame | October 3, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

As an outsider in this country, I find it extremely amusing to sit back and watch this supposedly great country ready to hand over the reins to such incompetent old men and plastic airhead wannabes as McCain and Palin. God bless ignorant America!

Posted by: amusedsilly | October 3, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

You racists are cowards. I'd like to see you spout some of your BS anywhere other than online or with you muddin' buddies.

Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make it okay to sleep with.

Remember that bubba.

Posted by: Ashton | October 3, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Sarah, I have heard of your lipstick too, well enough. God has given you one face, and you make yourself another.

You wink, you grin, and you "betcha", and
nick-name God's creationism, and make your wantonness your ignorance.

Go to, I'll no more on't; it hath made me mad.

Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: Hamlet | October 3, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
If you vote for NOBAMA
I'm gonna blow you."

A fine offer, but I'm married.

Posted by: Strange Days | October 3, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

All us who really love Obama also love the exclamation point! We love hootin' and hollerin' and the best device to convey our enthusiasm is that handy bit of punctuation!Dont think that we are retarded


Posted by: WE ARE IN LOVE WITHOBAMA | October 3, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Idiot, there is no one by the name NOBAMA, ha ha ha

It's all over for McCain and Palin.

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
If you vote for OBAMA
I'm gonna blow you."

Michelle Obama

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Sarah did just fine. Both she and Biden had a few truth stretches but all in all, I believe her and her character impresses me more than either Obama's or Biden. McCain brings experience and knowledge to the office of President as well as HONOR. He has been around and can attest to what works and what doesn't. His foreign relation experience speaks for itself. I will support him above any socialist who wasn't even a boy scout, wouldn't wear the American Flag or say the Pledge. I don't know why Hussein and Michelle don't go to some communist country if they feel the USA is such a bad place. McCain is a real hero, not a greedy elitest. Remember, once a muslim, always a muslim. I say NO OBAMA--NO OSAMA, NO BIN LADIN, NO to BIDEN. Vote McCain-Palin if you treasure your freedom!

Posted by: techlady44 | October 3, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget, just like we had Billery, we would have Sarodd.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

John McCain picked the most qualified, knowledgeable, best choice to replace him, should he fail to serve his term completely. She is the best and brightest of the Republican party.

No one in the Republican party can offer better skills and experience. The first and most important decision John McCain can do as president is pick the best vice president available.

He was looking out for the country first when he chose Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Kelly Stevens | October 3, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Show me the lipstick!

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't see the difference between her and Bush debating in 2000-04.

When asked a question she skirted (get it) it, and twisted it around to dumo on Obama. She talks about the need for education, but she would fail any class for refusing to answer fairly pertainent questions. And like Bush, when pinned down she does this "aw, schucks..."I have faith in the goodness of the American people....shining city on the hill".

When Bush used the Bible to solitify the right wing, a reporter asked him what part of it he liked, and his rely was, "I like it all". And when asked what newspapers she reads, Palin relied, " read them all". Newither person could name one thing specific of something they claim to do daily.

America needs people that have the mental capability to grow this country, and not to act as a monarch until disaster occurs amd the American people have to pay for their ineptitude.

If elected and McCain could not preside, America wold want a recall election before this little con artist culd drag this country even lower then Bush and Cheney did.

Posted by: Ben Melman | October 3, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Michelle, I have heard of your lipstick too, well enough. God has given you one face, and you make yourself another.

You wink, you grin, and you "betcha", and
nick-name God's creationism, and make your wantonness your ignorance.

Go to, I'll no more on't; it hath made me mad.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The GOP are a bunch of puppets and the Wall Street Fat Cats are their puppet masters

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, since the thoughtful people cannot have a doctor (Paul) in the house, I could enjoy some more winking and twinkling! I doubt she could be another Cheney. Probably the most dangerous VP in history! "Probably" Joe? If Biden is not certain about that, then maybe he should "probably" not get the job...

If nobody can see it, then I'll point it out. What we have here is the failure to communicate (RIP Cool Hand) and an adversarial administration to keep these guys on the straight and narrow.

All of these guys are wannabes. Obama wants to be the first Nilo-Sahara American president although his roots are more "Great Society" than Sally Hemmings. Biden wants a shot because he could've been somebody. McCain really believes that it is his turn and Palin is the Hillary "rebound" girl. In short, we are just going for a cruise and Biden and Palin get shotgun.

As far as the Bailout fiasco, more nobel prize winning economists said nix on the bailout. Like in Planes, Trains and automobiles: "You're going the wrong way!!!"

Posted by: Herbert | October 3, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
If you vote for OBAMA
I'm gonna blow you."

Michelle Obama

WOW! THE LIGHTS WOULD HAVE TO BE OFF. good for Obama, fat chicks need loovn too!!

Posted by: Socialist | October 3, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Joe 6-pack? Sorry honey, at my table if you can't knock back at least 10, you're a pussy.

Posted by: SoDak | October 3, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

This line of blog entries is eminently predictable. The Obama supporters engage in personal attacks because they know Palin surpassed [admittedly low] expectations, and the McCain supporters express, sometimes inartfully and inappropriately, that they think Palin did a good job. Fine. To the Obama folks: explain to me how Palin's winking is "condescending" [other than that's how MSNBC commentators described her demeanor]. Condescending has two meanings: becoming less formal or below one's rank or assuming an air of superiority. If you're saying she was acting informally, I'd agree with that. It may have been a tactic to appeal to regular folks -- last I checked, they vote too. She talked like a normal person as well -- I'd much rather hear that than stilted, attorney-speak [and I'm an attorney]. If you're saying she was acting superior, then you're being intellectually dishonest. You can't have it both ways -- she's either "vapid" or acting superior. Now I know you'll say she was doing both, but you know you were misusing "condescending." If you say she was winking and that shows she's vapid, I'll buy that logic although I completely disagree. But enough of the vocabulary lesson. The bottom line is that the anti-Palin crowd's most fervent attacks continue to be personal. She winks. She's vapid. She's from a backwoods state. She hunts. She's folksy. She's a beauty queen. She's a "biitch." Her family's "trashy." She was "condescending to a Senator." How, then, are you treating one of our 50 governors? Are you condescending? Malicious? Hateful? Mean-spirited? Anti-intellectual? What you don't get is that the more you and the media engage in these ad hominem attacks, the more you create a backlash with the normal folks whose existence you seem to deny. They are the same people who regard McCain as a war hero, and if they saw the entry calling him a "Manchurian Candidate" and suggesting he dishonored himself as a POW, not only would they be outraged, they might just write a check to the campaign when they might not have done so in the first place. I actually invite you to continue and increase the vitriol -- heck, send some my way and waste your breath -- it hurts your candidate more than it hurt McCain and Palin.

Posted by: tampalawyer | October 3, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

My bad.I mean that previous post.Michelle Obama uglyer that uglyest crocodile so I 'd like to correct myself

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

i heard obama has a brother that lives in a box on the streets of whereever that is he has family ties to(muslim roots). Maybe he can give that poor guy a job in the big house if he wins.

Posted by: Rie | October 3, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

someone above says, "Give me a winker as opposed to a spinner." Are you serious?! You're not trying to suggest that she's not both are you? Just look at her interview today on Fox News: she covered up for not answering the periodical question and the Supreme court case question!

Posted by: VP to nowhere | October 3, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I thought the VP job was to remain in undisclosed location.

Posted by: FL voter | October 3, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

You got to admit, Palin is way better to look at :) VPILF.... Hooraayyyy!!!!!!!

Posted by: Socialist | October 3, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Palin and McCain will win ,why?
Obama - Muslim communist with no experience. If you want to know Chicago area has now the highest tax in US why? Because we have too many like Obama here. If you have house for 400K here you paying 9000 taxes easy . Then you decide who you will vote for
Biden - Old fart. out of touch. he can work in the old bakery as order taker.

Mccain - old but experienced and can bring the people from both sides. Most of all you will not get taxed as Obama/Biden
Palin - destroyer of the large and inefficient government. Supporter of traditional marriage and using our own resources instead giving Osama and other like him money to kill people around the world – mostly americans

Posted by: MI | October 3, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Too bad McCain's campaign is in the beginning of the end phase while Palin's is just coming up on the power curve.

Not in synch at all. Well that's what happens when you pair two well known "mavericks".

You betcha' Sarah Sixpack. Your 15 minutes will be up soon. You need to go back to hunting some more wolves from your airplane as part of God's Master Plan to enhance Alaska's pristine beauty. And before the EPA enforces a No Fly Zone for you collectors of their left front legs.

Posted by: Barry | October 3, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin and her pitiful patois have put a new electoral element in play: the white trash vote.

Posted by: boomer.consumer | October 3, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that there are so many people out there who think Palin is so wonderful. As a woman, I'm ashamed by Palin. I was insulted when McCain chose her as a running mate. Of all the qualified people out there, he picks someone who barely has any experience, and what experience she has is very limited.

Palin is a person who has barely traveled beyond our national borders. She practically shuns students who take the time to get to know the world before embarking on their careers. Come to think of it, a lot of people who like her probably haven't experienced life in a different culture either. THAT'S why their so afraid of people they've never met who might have slightly different views than their own.

To think that so many people (including the current administration) think this is a "Christian" nation, too... Tsk, tsk. If you're Jewish, Hindu, Shinto, Muslim, etc. they're saying you don't belong in the U.S. Hmmm. Our founding fathers would disapprove. They came here because they felt persecuted and wanted the freedom/liberty to practice their own religion. I guess a lot of people have forgotten the Golden Rule, too; or maybe they would like it if someone told them they should leave the country, change religion, have their father's baby, etc.

By the way, Palin is as much of a politician as any other, and don't think she's some "middle class" woman. If you really look at her background, you'll see she's wealthy. You've got the wrong idea if you think that she had to scrape up money to send her kids to school!

Let's talk about the "maverick" thing: if she and McCain were such maverick's, why did they defend the current administration during the debates? Amazing what people fall for!

Both VP and Pres. candidates overstate what they have done or would do and understate or muddle the work of their opponents. Might want to check out FactCheck.org, which is mostly impartial: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html.

Posted by: interesting | October 3, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Here is some interesting data:

ALL FORMALLY NOTED AMERICAN RECESSIONS SINCE THE CIVIL WAR

Recession/Panic/or Depression President in Office Party of the President
Panic of 1857 Pierce Republican
Panic of 1873 Grant Republican
23 Year Depression of 1873 Grant, Hayes, Garfield, & Arthur Republican - All of them
Panic of 1893 Benjamin Harrison Republican
Panic of 1907 T. Roosevelt Republican
Post WW I Recession Wilson Democrat
Great Depression Coolidge & Hoover Republican
Ended under FDR Democrat
Recession of 1953 Post Korea Eisenhower Republican
Recession of 1957 Eisenhower Republican
1973 Oil Crisis Recession Nixon Republican
Early 80's Recession Reagan Republican
1990 Recession GHW Bush Republican
2001 Recession - still going on GW Bush Republican

Clearly, voters choose to have recessions when Republicans are put into office. I don't care how cute Palin is with her big dimples and quaint, fake sounding colloquialisms, I'm just not all that crazy about recessions and depressions.

Posted by: EW | October 3, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Palin seems like a person who knows how to get things done -- and a lot of that does have everything to do with personality (see: Ronald Reagan). You can sit in the Senate for 30 years and talk policy in a theoretical fashion but until you are in an executive position, making decisions that directly affect peoples lives then you don't understand. That is why we seldom elect senators to be president.

Posted by: Steve | October 3, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

You all think that she's ready to President, more ready than Obama?!--on what basis? You just want someone who will recklessly authorize enemy action in the name of God.

Every time you wingnuts get asked to prove that she is ready to be President, your answer is she is ready because Obama is not ready--hmmm, very well thought out answer. Can you wingnuts stay away from the polls please.

Posted by: YouTube McCain | October 3, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Governors are glorified Mayors. Winking and talking like Marge Gunderson isn't connecting with the regular folks. The fact that we insist on division between regular folks and you, tampalawyer, is why we are in this mess of sh*t. You did write "they" not "we" when referring to the regular people voting.

Posted by: SoDak | October 3, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama should go back to writing socialist fantasy books and leave governing to someone who knows something about it.

Posted by: georgeb | October 3, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

VP has two constitutional duties. Read Article 1, you should be able to fidn it, it comes early enough.

1) To break ties in Senate

2) To succeed President if he is incapacitated or dies.

NOTHING ELSE. Biden knew this. Palin didn't

End of story.

As to "talking like a normal person" Explain exactly what her string of sentence frangments not connected grannatically correctly, on climate change, meant? It was unintelligable, as was her strring of talking points on israel. She answered nothing, Biden even replied to her simplistic "pit bull" complaints, as meager and few as tehyw ere. She didn't understand the answers I guess, because she repeated them ad nauseum. It is quite hilarious to see balnaced criticism on her vapid regurgitated robot-like delivery. yes it surpassed amazingly low expectations. Is this a reality game show?

Biden sounded learnbed, sorry, if you want a beer drinker who winks at her base all the time and is proud of apponting her entire high school graduating class to governor assistants and such, did not approve of rape kits being supplied to rape victime, has probably never read the Constitution or a newspaper, go right ahead.

Hopefully we haven't reached the stage where over 50% are uneducated unlearned fools and proud of knowing so little.

McCain should lose. This choice was absurd, yes she surpassed falling on her face. So what? When did this constitute victory. Saying nothing not very well, are you all William Kristol, all you Republicans, what ever happened to intelligence?

Posted by: fred fep | October 3, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Watching the debate was a lot like watching a hoedown. Both candidates danced around the questions so much they might as well have been on Dancing With the Stars. Palin never actually answered a single question she was asked and Biden only answered a couple, then as clear as mud. I can't say I'd be too crazy about either one being president, but it's better to risk Biden than to go ahead and put America the rest of the way on the chopping block with the war mongering, recessionist McCain..... Palin clearly showed the "VACANCY" sign as regards the area in her head where a brain should be residing.

Posted by: EW | October 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Come on y'all ease up on GOVERNOR Palin, she is enjoyable to watch. She has character,which is lacking in Washington! She is intelligent & very knowledgeable of our energy needs. You critics need to stop bashing her & take another look at Obama & Biden...Biden is experienced but Obama, come on get real! Name something he has accomplished during his years as a Senator.
Palin is the best pick..for VP, heck after this I bet Hillary runs clear of her if it ever comes between the two of them for President! Keeping winking girl & shoot straight!

Posted by: Sandy Thomas | October 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Please everyone take five minutes to look at McCain's interview with The DesMoines Register this week. Very unstable. Not very Presidential. Quite frankly, scary.

Posted by: GivePeaceaChance | October 3, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I think the main reason that Palin is so popular with middle-class white woman is that it validates their own shortcomings as being honorable.

If we can believe that a low-talent, johnny-come-lately-to politics who has nothing but a Joe-sixpack outlook on life can be VicePresident of the United States, then that makes OUR modest accomplishments in life seem equally valuable.

The truth however, is that you should have more accomplished in life than 5 colleges in 4 yrs and a (state) election that requires less than 80,000 votes to win.

But the alternative is to have to emulate a black guy who came up from poverty, and worked his way through Harvard Law.

No, I'd rather believe that any idiot (like me!) could be VP, rather than Obama, because being like Obama requires LOTS more work!

Posted by: Henry | October 3, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Wow I cant believe some of the comments. She really has some of you fooled. Gosh darn, jessh whiiliakers(however you spell it) holy cow need I go on.Did she ever give ammunition for SNL., should be good this Saturday, with all that winking and cold heart.She showed no comapssion when Biden spoke of himself being a single father. She was cold as ice,brrrr. Shes downright scary, dangerous and not real. Get real, bugs bunny would be a way better VP.

Posted by: Jacqui | October 3, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd vote for Biden, McCain or Palin for president before Obama. Obama is just a media creation.

Posted by: Sophia | October 3, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

i was voting McCain until Palin showed up on the ticket to no where, I'm jumping ship before it goes down

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

That VP comment was so weird. The suties are to have a pulse, and break ties in the Senate. There was a great article in the Post a few weeks back about the Constitutional afterthought that is VP.

I think the real answer is, it is what you make of it and what the top guy/gal let's you make of it.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

How did the first legitimate black candidate for president ever get branded an elitist? How is it possible that any black person - even Oprah, the queen of annoyance - be labled an elitist? Wake up people. Blacks were getting lynched, sprayed with water cannons, mauled by dogs, and shunned in nearly every economic and social arena in the USA, until a few short decades ago.

So I guess Obama is an elitist because we worked and studied his ass off and graduated with a law degree from an Ivy League school. Then what does that make McCain? Psychotic royalty?

I'm not advocating any sort of pity or remorse here, but for god's sake, calling Obama an elitist is nearly as innane as calling him a radical Muslim. It's ridiculous and shows how fearful the republicans are of losing - to someone obviously much more talented and charismatic than the best they had to offer.

Oh my god! It can't be true that a black man in America, a n-----, is more qualified so lead this country than a half-crazed old man - who lost the only war he participated in, uhh or was imprisoned in - and a no-talent, clueless hockey mom who runs an apathetic frozen state, which 99% of the American population wouldn't dare move to. You do realize that Palin got elected governor of Alaska because the population is mostly single men, who wanted something nice to look at while watching the evening news.

Lee Atwater is dead. You do know that, right?

My god: Palin is simply a horrifying, blow-up-sex-doll of a Bush re-run. Can you repub-bots really stand four more years with someone in office who doesn't know the correct pronuncuation of "nuclear"? Do you really think ol' down home, "golly-gee" Palin is a legitimate candidate? Are you really so ignorant that you think this Jane six-pack is qualified to run this country - a country, I might add, which is in dire straits after 8 years of pseudo-freemarket, faux less-government republicanism.

Do you have any clue how far down the USA has been pulled by such political, pseudo-populist tom-foolery? And some of you want more?!?!

Are Americans really that stupid?

Posted by: forpetesake | October 3, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Henry, before you talk, realize that Obama did not "work" his way thru law school. He never worked a day until he became community organizer. Is community organizer even a paying job? or is it like being in the PTA? If so, then my wife is qualified to be president.

Posted by: georgeb | October 3, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

there is nothing "enjoyable" to watch, she is like a high school student trying to memorize her oral history report that is due in the morning

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Boodlers see my 5:15

Posted by: Jumper | October 3, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for McCain/Palin to take over the White House and start picking fights with Iran, Pakistan, Russia, Spain, Venezuela. That should get our war economy in full swing. That's how America got out of the last Great Depression right?

Posted by: Mephistopheles | October 3, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for McCain/Palin to take over the White House and start picking fights with Iran, Pakistan, Russia, Spain, Venezuela. That should get our war economy in full swing. That's how America got out of the last Great Depression right?

Posted by: Mephistopheles | October 3, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

G.I. Joe used to make more sense when I pulled the string in his back than Palin has in her recent interviews or did during the debate. She uses words she doesn't understand, can't tell a subject from a predicate, and doesn't seem to be able to hold on to even medium-sized thoughts for a moment at a time. She's not even smart enough to know not to use words and phrases she doesn't understand. She doesn't even seem to understand that she doesn't understand. Ghastly. What is even more shocking is how many people listen to Palin babble and can't tell the difference between her babbling brook of a stream of consciousness and a truly rational train of thought. Let's put it this way: if you think the king's invisible new clothes look pretty good, you're at least as stupid as the king is himself. Appalling.

Posted by: SadCommentary | October 3, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Glad that someone noticed, and mentioned "nucular" and "O'Biden", both of which struck me like nails on a blackboard.
Further, it seems to me that Sarah Palin is approaching the office of VP as if it will be useful in whatever plans she has for the state of Alaska, which really has little in common with the other 49.
Whenever she opens her mouth, I cringe.
I am not only embarrassed for her, I am terrified of anyone who thinks she is even a little bit okay.

Posted by: Aaack | October 3, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Mephistopheles pull your head out of your ass

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Wherever the idiotic falsehood about Obama being a muslim communist came from is where is needs to be sent back to. He isn't. And were he a muslim, he'd still be the bettwr of the two candidates. This race is for the presidency where religion myths do not belong. It is not an application to become a televangelist.

Posted by: EW | October 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Wherever the idiotic falsehood about Obama being a muslim communist came from is where is needs to be sent back to. He isn't. And were he a muslim, he'd still be the bettwr of the two candidates. This race is for the presidency where religion myths do not belong. It is not an application to become a televangelist.

Posted by: EW | October 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Wherever the idiotic falsehood about Obama being a muslim communist came from is where is needs to be sent back to. He isn't. And were he a muslim, he'd still be the bettwr of the two candidates. This race is for the presidency where religion myths do not belong. It is not an application to become a televangelist.

Posted by: EW | October 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Wherever the idiotic falsehood about Obama being a muslim communist came from is where is needs to be sent back to. He isn't. And were he a muslim, he'd still be the bettwr of the two candidates. This race is for the presidency where religion myths do not belong. It is not an application to become a televangelist.

Posted by: EW | October 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Wherever the idiotic falsehood about Obama being a muslim communist came from is where is needs to be sent back to. He isn't. And were he a muslim, he'd still be the bettwr of the two candidates. This race is for the presidency where religion myths do not belong. It is not an application to become a televangelist.

Posted by: EW | October 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, this is a liberal blog. The mean spirited, misogynistic stuff is getting old. Biden is a plagiarist, and really should go reread the Constitution to review what a VP does in the legislative branch. If Palin had made his errors, she'd have been crucified. All of your posters are preaching to their own choir. The "undecided" vote is very decided. They just like the attention. How could you not know who is better for the country in general? Either you are a socialist at heart or not. There is no more Democrat party. We need 3 parties- Liberals, Conservatives and Moderates. Liberals stole the Democrat party. The choice now is between the Socialist (Obama) and what used to be called a Democrat (McCain). It's not that you can't criticize Palin- it's just that you do it with so much bias and lack of veracity that you lose your own credibility. You sound like a middle school girl. This is why people give Fox the highest ratings. They ALWAYS have someone on from both parties. At least the viewer has something to compare and contrast. The excuse I guess is that it is YOUR blog.

Posted by: YumYum

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

People criticize her because Obama gets the same treatment. You know as well as I do that Palin had everything she needed to say written down right in front of her. The other day she couldn't tell us what newspaper she reads and now she's telling us about Darfur. She could probably pull off being a VP but there is no way she's ready to be President if something happens to McCain. And anyone that says she is ready to be President is clearly not thinking about what's best for our country.


Posted by: Hemi | October 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

G.I. Joe used to make more sense when I pulled the string in his back than Palin has in her recent interviews or did during the debate. She uses words she doesn't understand, can't tell a subject from a predicate, and doesn't seem to be able to hold on to even medium-sized thoughts for a moment at a time. She's not even smart enough to know not to use words and phrases she doesn't understand. She doesn't even seem to understand that she doesn't understand. Ghastly. What is even more shocking is how many people listen to Palin babble and can't tell the difference between her babbling brook of a stream of consciousness and a truly rational train of thought. Let's put it this way: if you think the king's invisible new clothes look pretty good, you're at least as stupid as the king is himself. Appalling.

Posted by: SadCommentary | October 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I appreciate this privilege of being able to speak with Americans in this great country of ours. As a middle class hockey mom maverick reformer with only a million in assets, you betcha I can feel your pain. But the fundamentals of our economy being strong, the American workforce that is. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Also the work ethic that is so deeply entrenched in this great country of ours. {wink} Joe six-pack and soccer moms across this great land of ours from sea to shining sea must band together, doggone it. Also under the umbrella of jobs, in this great country of our ours, Barack Obama wants to rear his head and raise taxes for average American families making only $42,000 a year. Also that is how to kill jobs in this economy. And I may not answer the questions but I'm going to talk straight to the American people in this great land of ours, darn it. God bless us everyone.

Posted by: Sarah P. | October 3, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Mephistopheles, right on brother. U-S-A.

Posted by: Joseph Six Pack | October 3, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to really cross-examine Palin on her religious views on national TV. The woman's church make's Rev. Wright look like Disney.

Posted by: genuine risk | October 3, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse


I CANT WAIT TILL McCain is PRESIDENT
WHAT ARE THE HATERS GOING TO DO THEN ?????

Posted by: OWNAGE | October 3, 2008 4:49 PM

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good point OWNAGE.I was thinking about the same thing.I think they will hang themself
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Keep dreaming guys. Take a look at the latest polls -http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/

Obama is leading with 320 electoral votes and he only needs 270.

To put this in historical perspective neither Gore or Kerrey had anything close to these numbers a month away from the election.

The question really should be: What are you Obama haters going to do?

President Obama - get used to it!

Posted by: CynthiaD | October 3, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Watch out of presidents comming from the army : they love to dictate.. (dictators).

we, in Africa, know something about it !

Posted by: Ramoul | October 3, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

CynthiaD the only poll that matters is on November 4th.

Posted by: Amy | October 3, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"The only polls that matter is the one in November" is always the statement of the desperate as they watch their candidates sink.

Posted by: CynthiaD | October 3, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

If feel like I wandered into a BKD over here.

Posted by: byoolin scoots back to C'tology. | October 3, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey Amy - if the polls were reversed and looking good for McCain would you be so blase about them?

Posted by: CynthiaD | October 3, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

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SHUT UP ALREADY AND GO BACK HOME

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama should go back to writing socialist fantasy books and leave governing to someone who knows something about it.

Posted by: georgeb | October 3, 2008 5:51 PM

_________
Like who? A cranky old fart misogynist flip-flopper in poor health who changes his mind on major issues to suit the topic of the day? Or perhaps a mavericky dimwit evangelist with a poor grasp on most issues that concern the public who spouts Rovian talking points and winks at the audience so she can distract from the fact that she has a clue what the answer? Please.

Posted by: jimimosey | October 3, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

CynthiaD you liberals have stacked the deck to such a degree, including polls, how can you take yourselves seriously. I have a right to my opinion and you can just keep believing that the polls mean something. Sarah energized us and we will show up in force on November 4th. Your guy looks good in the polls...so what. I know that I and none of my friends have not received and calls from pollsters. But we sure as heck are going to be there when it counts. You guys probably won't even know where your polling location is.

Posted by: Amy | October 3, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

The statement that the only polls that matter are the ones in November is the cliche of the desperate as they watch their candidate sink.

Amy - if the polls were reversed would you be so blase?

Posted by: CynthiaD | October 3, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin. #2 in Command of the USA

Scared Yet?

Posted by: BullMooseandSquirrel | October 3, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Introducing your next President of the United States: President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho!!! Porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion!!!! A great man, a great American. He will serve up a can of whoop ass if you cross him. He will stomp your ass if you don't! JOIN THE CAMACHO 08 MOVEMENT! CAMACHO WILL SAVE AMERICA

Posted by: Idiocracy | October 3, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

All you Obama haters... how much does it bother you that he is going to be the next Commander and Chief of the USA

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Pull this mindless dribble, the only party that has ever potected and looked out for America is the Republican Party Period, wink wink wink.

Posted by: You Suck | October 3, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

She made him cry. I thought it was supposed to be the other way around?

Posted by: Holman | October 3, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

If she was a blonde, I'd let her get away with as much winking as she wants.
I now wonder, if only she'd been a little cute and cheesy with Couric and Gibson.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Nader in 08

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Winker or not, she can always be my gal pal. Don't know about veep, though.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

BullMooseandSquirrel scared of what? I have yet to hear an intelligent argument that Obama is more qualified than my girl Sarah. Me and my girls are going to come out in full force on 11/4. You liberals are going to be at home watching MSNBC assuming that your guy is going to win. Who's going to have the last laugh?

Posted by: Amy | October 3, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I don't care that Palin doesn't know what the VP does, as what the VP does (Cheney excepted) is of no matter to the US. What I care about is that she has no idea of what the President does, and with a 72-year-old on the ticket with her, that's a much bigger issue.

Posted by: anon | October 3, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Is that the best you liberal POS writers have? Want to bring up the radical Messiah's past or Biden's failed hair plug transplantion? Of course not, that wouldn't be "Fair and Balanced".

Posted by: Toxic Avenger | October 3, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

AFTER THE BLATANT AND STUNNING SEXISM LAUNCHED AGAINST THE HILLARY CLINTON PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN by Barack Hussein Obama and the liberal media, democratic Hillary supporters were thrilled to hear John McCain announce Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, because, she offers Americans a chance to vote for someone who is her own woman, and who represents a party that, while we don't agree on all the issues, at least respects women enough to take them seriously.

HAVING A WOMAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AND NOT AS THE SPOUSE, IS A CHANGE WHOSE TIME HAS COME, despite the fact that the media and Democratic Party leaders have decided otherwise. But with the Sarah Palin’s nomination, Clinton voters, in particular, have received a political wake-up call they never expected. Having watched their candidate and their principles betrayed by the very people who are supposed to be the flame-holders for equal rights and fairness, they now looking across the aisle and see a woman who represents everything the feminist movement claimed it stood for. Women can have a family and a career.

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S BULLYING OF THE CLINTON CANDIDACY DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON WAS THE FIRST REVELATION OF HOW MISOGYNISTIC AND SEXIST THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS BECOME. The democratic party has moved from taking the female vote for granted to outright contempt for women. That's why Sarah Palin represents the most serious conservative threat ever to the modern democratic liberal claim on issues of male cultural and social superiority.

THE TIME IS NOW FOR A WOMAN TO BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE AS AN EQUAL PARTNER IN GOVERNANCE.

The time is now for John McCain/Sarah Palin.

COUNTRY FIRST! McCain/Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 3, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

For a former chair of the Senate Judicialry Committee, who claimed that an intellectual breakthrough enabled him to take it on himself to sit in judgment on federal judicial nominees for their "idelology," Senator Biden made a boneheadedly erroneous statement when he assterted that Article One of the US Constitution relates to the Executive Branch of the Govt: "Article I. Section 1. All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives." Ten, there was his smugly AlGorean assertion that climate change is know to be caused by human activity... I guess there was never global warming in the past--that's why we are still in this Ice Age!

Posted by: Wally Lodato | October 3, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I also sympathize with the nauseous responses to winking. Personally (it's a matter of taste, obviously) I prefer politicians to limit their manipulation to more subtle emotive appeals. Biden's close call w/ tears was probably a stunt, but it was restrained, disciplined acting. I like that.

But hey, we like our actors' emotions packaged differently.

Posted by: brehove | October 3, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The biggest whopper that Sarah Palin told was "we are building a forty billion dollar gas pipeline which will create thousands of American jobs."

Not true:

She signed a contract with a Canadian company to study the pipeline's feasibility. Due to environmental considerations and difficulty of building and maintaing such a project, it is at least fifteen years away- and probably will never be built.

If I hear her say "hungry for oil" one more time, I am going to throw up. We should not be eating oil.

The "drill, baby, drill" mantra girl should return to Wasilla and get her kids back in school making sure they are properly educated and supervised. If she can't take care of her own family, how on earth can she take care of the nation?

What is Todd going to do with his snow machine in the evil east coast city of Washington D.C.? "The First Dude" looked very uncomfortable last night- that's for "darn sure."

Please...What was john McCain thinking?

Posted by: Elizabeth | October 3, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

It sounds like Manolete will be there with me on 11/4. You fake liberals can do us all a favor and stay home and nap that day.

Posted by: Amy | October 3, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

pipeline to nowhere

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Amy, how old are you...12???

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Old enough to vote and organize a big turnout on 11/4. that's all that matters. You liberals can't even organize yourselves enough to get registered in time.

Posted by: Amy | October 3, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

The reason we analyze these superficial details of this women is because she is an empty pair of glasses. I'll take substance in the 2nd ranking Executive position over a cute, hockey Mom any day.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Bible news flash to Sarah Palin - "He who winks with his eye is plotting perversity; He who purses his lips is bent on evil." - Proverbs 16:30
... seriously, every time the Bible mentions winking it is in a very negative context ... deceit, maliciousness, plotting, villainous, corrupt!! Somehow it worked its way into mainstream (perhaps Monty Python , wink wink nudge nudge) but the root evil is still there.

Posted by: Bill - San Juan Capistrano | October 3, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

that is a scary view of the vp's role, that i don't know why people aren't talking more about. that is exaclty in line with the bush/chenney policy of ever more presidential power, and a weakening of all other branches of government. no the vp does not set the senates agenda or have control over it. the vp does however come in on tie break votes. what she is saying is completely contrary to the constitution, and perfectly in line with the neocon agenda. the founding fathers set up 3 seperate branches of government that had checks and balances over each other. this is not a monarchy.

Posted by: A.N. | October 3, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Some clearly forget history or never learned much. Think of Jefferson-Jackson Day celebrations. Ever looked up Andrew Jackson's education? How about Harry Truman's? Perhaps someone who wants to convince everyone of their mad skills in debate and research would care to provide a disquisition on LBJ's education. It is beyond dispute that Sarah Palin's education is comparable with each of those Presidents.

Next, she is demonstrably intelligent. Twice, she ran against and beat the political establishment of her own party and the “good ol' boys' network.” She exposed corruption in her own party. She forced oil companies to pay Alaskans more for resources they take from Alaska. She forced major energy corporations to renegotiate a moribund gas pipeline deal at terms more favorable to Alaska. That pipeline, once completed, will benefit everyone here in the "lower 48" who uses natural gas or buys products that involve the use of natural gas. Her stunning 80%+ popularity in her home state after a couple of years in office is impressive: it is the highest for any governor in the country. None of this these accomplishments of hers could ever have been achieved by anyone who so many here have described as being so lacking in so many positive attributes.

Worse, though, the extraordinary volume and heat of profanity, misogyny, ridicule, and hatred directed at Sarah Palin is far more faithfully reflective of the true character of her detractors than it is of anything about her. Shame on these people, of whatever political side or persuasion, who cannot express their agreement or opposition without using words and tactics that are inappropriate where they are more typically seen, in places such as truckstop restrooms and crack houses. I think it is every bit as appalling to read filth intended as an attack on Michelle Obama as on Sarah Palin, or, for that matter, on Barack Obama, John McCain, Joe Biden, George Bush, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton or any other politician. Just because someone here or elsewhere either has so little self-control and maturity that they cannot help themselves but engage in truly low, vicious and evil behavior — or simply has such abysmally low intelligence they just don't know any better, that is no excuse. Finally, shame on those responsible who have failed to police this site better against all those, right, left or otherwise, who have defiled this place and others.

Posted by: majorundertaking | October 3, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey Manolete, shes not real, wakeup unless you want to live in a Commie America run by the rich and you wont have a job, medical or education,oops you dont have one. Theres a million women out here who cant stand fake women,if you want one theres a lot in Hollywood and the Porn industry, Sarah P would fit in perfectly there.

Posted by: Jennifer | October 3, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Watching the debate, it seemed like Palin had maybe 25 or so short snippets that she had memorized. She made sure she rolled them all out, whether they related to the question or not. That is not exactly what I call debating.

Also, do we really want another college educated neo-con who can't pronounce the word "nuclear"? It is bad enough that you can't pronounce a word that is said exactly like it is written but then to use it over and over and remind us of your stupidity is priceless.

I never knew that there was anyone as snarky and superficial as Ann Coulter but congrats, Sarah, you are.

Posted by: thelastmoderate | October 3, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I read these comments and worry about you-all. We're most-all supposed to be Americans. We (almost) all pay taxes and we all complain they're too high. We all worry about this economy. We all worry about hostile people in the middle East and we all wonder what is the point of the War in Iraq. We're all disappointed by the government's response to Katrina. If we can spell, and read the blogs, we're all worried about American education or at least about the typing. We (almost) all know that Health Insurance companies, and many other companies, are arrogant, unreliable and greedy. It's time to see we have a great deal in common, Right and Left.

Posted by: Richaado/California | October 3, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Yum Yum - take your own advice and read the Constitution. Palin (and Cheney) are dead wrong according to every constitutional scholar out there.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

A.H. is afraid of the constitutional role of the VPOTUS. Article One, section three, provides, in part, "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided." Another demonstration that, because of their fear of its terms, the Socialist Left have no real regard for the Constitution?

Amy: please don't call them "liberals." I am a liberal--from the Latin, "liberi," meaning "of and pertaining to free men." The Socialist Left care nothing about free men in their quest for power, as demonstrated by their regulation, misregulation (e.g., Fannie and Freddie), overtaxation, and refusal to be held accountable for anything

Posted by: Wally Lodato | October 3, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

There is a disturbing amount of ignorance and misinformation going on here. I am shocked that anyone would vote McCain/Palin. That is about the stupidest thing anyone could possibly do. Unless, of course, they think that Bush has done a good job. Think about it.

Posted by: jojowasaman | October 3, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Amy, are you voting for Palin simply because she is a woman? If so, shame on you.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I had to add this after reading manolete's comment:

"AFTER THE BLATANT AND STUNNING SEXISM LAUNCHED AGAINST THE HILLARY CLINTON PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN by Barack Hussein Obama and the liberal media, democratic Hillary supporters were thrilled to hear John McCain announce Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, because, she offers Americans a chance to vote for someone who is her own woman, and who represents a party that, while we don't agree on all the issues, at least respects women enough to take them seriously."

Dude, I am a Hillary Clinton supporter who is voting for Obama BECAUSE of Sarah Palin.

Posted by: thelastmoderate | October 3, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Well, we shall see how the rest of the debates go for the Presidents office. I sure do not want to see a muslim in the office and just maybe the McCain/Palin ticket can and will change from the current clowns running this show. I would of rather seen Hilary on the ticket before this joker and it's still not saying much.
If you like to hunt and are into guns, then be careful of Obama, he'll take them away form us all. That'a all I got's to say bout dat!

Posted by: REPUB MAN | October 3, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm a foreigner so who am I to say, but... I suggest Washington Post takes a random 100+ supporters from both sides and tests the average IQ of each group, please. Just use a standard GRE or GMAT test so it's as objective as possible. There are enough volunteers I'm sure to get this done. The people riding the Obama-Biden ticket that I have met have all sworn that they leave this country if McCain wins. They consistently also happen to know how to e.g. construct sentences without grunting adjectives all the time. How far does this country's voters want to fall behind the rest of the world? If McCain wins, it may become mandatory for Americans to become friendly with dinosaurs - after all the universe is less than 6000 years old.

Posted by: Ian | October 3, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Palin will now be isolated and will not be allowed to talk to the press. Palin as president would be a nightmare and remember, McCain won't disclose his medical records.

Posted by: Bill | October 3, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Yoy can put monkey ears on a socialist, but that does not make him qualified to be President. A vote for Oboma is a vote for Michelle Obama, she would be running the country.

Posted by: Nl | October 3, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Amy, don't waste your time... its futile

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Evil 'n sinful Pentecostal!

Please look up the meaning of WINK in the Bible: Psalm 35:19 Proverbs 6:13 Proverbs 10:10 Proverbs 16:30

Goin' to Hell!

Have a good future,

Buddhist

Posted by: steve | October 3, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

The fact that you people could possibly be signing up for 4 more years of Republican bullsh*t after they drove your country into the ground is shocking and sad. How can anyone buy into that circus sideshow they've been peddling. It's time to look past the winks, cliques and one line slogans. Your country went from being the greatest in the world to being the laughing stock of it. Now is the time to turn things around.

Posted by: Thank God I'm Canadian | October 3, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

You'd wink too if that kind of jibberish came out of your mouth.

Really, there is no need for pundits or bloggers to opine about how Sarah did. Nothing exposes her more than verbatim quotes from her own words, which -- doggone it -- cannot actually be blamed on "the media filter."

Posted by: fmjk | October 3, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Canadian--the correlation of events is the capture of the Congress by the Socialist Left and the sprialing downward of the US economy. Before that, for the first six years the economy was humming along fairly smoothly. After that, the bubble--fed by Fannie and Freddie (of whom MessiahObama was one of the primary pecuniary beneficiaries), whose intelligent regulation was so vigorously resisted by MessiahObama and others of his ilk.

Posted by: Wally Lodato | October 3, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Old enough to vote and organize a big turnout on 11/4. that's all that matters. You liberals can't even organize yourselves enough to get registered in time.

Posted by: Amy

++++++++++++++++++++++

Now that was a stupid statement to make considering the Republicans are in court trying to block early voting. Don't you know people are camping out to be the first to vote.

Posted by: Hemi | October 3, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Its scary that people were impressed by Sara Palin. This is dangerous and not funny. She needs to go sell Avon or Mary Kay. Then she wont have to think on her feet.

Posted by: sam | October 3, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Palin claims she didnt do well with Katie Couric because she was annoyed. Just what we need, two people in the white house with anger problems

Posted by: Jan | October 3, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin looked foolish to me. I didn't know that actually stating that you are not going to respond to the question asked is considered good debating -- and I don't understand why the press is giving her so many positive reviews. Is the media scared of her? The "Shout out" made me feel like I was watching the screaming hord outside of the Today show when the camera pans over them. Not professional at all. I am NOT impressed.

Posted by: NoPalinYouBetcha | October 3, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

My dog is more qualified to be VP than Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Charles | October 3, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

we played a drinking game and everytime she said nuculur, maverick and also we took a drink. What a night

Posted by: john | October 3, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Palin was so cheap. She winked like a hooker to get men's vote. She is so stupid and ignorant but not American people. Vote for Obama and Biden for our children.

Posted by: goldieluck | October 3, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

She used every trick in the book when it comes to sexual suggestion in order to save herself. Winking, giggling, grinning and what not. But he still beat what amounts to “W in a skirt” out of her, without much trouble.

Posted by: Jena | October 3, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Katie Couric annoys me, but I don't find my self becoming a blithering idiot because of it.

Posted by: Gloria | October 3, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Biden was error free? Didn't anyone else catch his reference to the "Bosniaks" or his saying that the nation of "Obama" was closer to Israel than Iran? Was I hearing things?

Posted by: pickthosenits | October 3, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

That was supposed to seduce me? My balls were rotting off every time she spoke.

Posted by: Fisher | October 3, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

A winker and a wanker -- what a pair ! McCain can't be happy with Sarah's performance in the debate. Lieberman would have helped im more in this debate. Having picked an unvetted Sarah may cost him the election instead of helping him.

Posted by: bodo | October 3, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

pickthosenits

Hey it is correct to say Bosniaks. I am a Bosniak so I should know. It refers to Bosnian population that adheres to Islam. If you don't believe be google it up. When you say Bosnian, it can be a Orthodox Serb, Catholic Croat or a Bosanian Jew. But Biden was talking about a genocide which was perpretrated by Serbs on Bosniaks. It shows how well informed Biden is and I thank him for knowing that detail.

Posted by: Semir | October 3, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Palin thinks she's cute and winked like a pro. Men are laughing and making fun of her. She is so stupid. We don't like hooker in the White House. She may spread her legs to Putin but our country still not safe if they win this election. Wake up Americans, don't elect liar and hooker for the White House.

Posted by: goldieluck | October 3, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

As usual the right wing nut bars have no idea what they are talking about. Biden did very well. Palin is a train wreck.

Posted by: Me | October 3, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama. Serial liar.

Posted by: sandy | October 3, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama. Serial liar.

Posted by: sandy | October 3, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

who the F*** are all you people and what insane ASSylum did you escape from?

Oh that's right your all republicans....my mistake....carry on

Posted by: Floyd R Turbo | October 3, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

This is the most vacuous comments section I've ever seen for a respected publication. It frightens me mightily that people are still saying Obama is a Muslim. And Jeremiah Wright? At least he's not a murderous witch-hunter like Muthee, who prayed over Palin and was credited for his help with her campaign.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

donate to the "help a liberal leave the usa fund"

contact your local chapter. donations will be needed urgenty on Nov. 5th.

Posted by: laughing at the dems | October 3, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I think her winking was too cute by half. I guess she thinks it's endearing, I find it sickening. She recited what she was told to say, there was no attempt at actually answering questions posed to her. Is there not one Republican who can pronounce the word NUCLEAR? If you can't say it properly then you shouldn't be allowed to have the nuclear codes, simple enough. I grant she didn't drool on herself, but she didn't help McCain win over any undecided voters. She is dangerous, ignorant and is not qualified.

Posted by: radio3142 | October 3, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

To all of you who are pointing your fingers at anyone else, find the nearest mirror and point it at the person most responsible for this sorry day in our history. We get the government we deserve, and now we're going to take the consequences.

Posted by: ted in pdx | October 3, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I used to enjoy reading Joel's blog and other Washington Post blogs, but it's really degenerated into a forum for ranting lunatics and name-callers. (I guess I just did that myself).

I am very surprised that people actually believe the lies that Obama is a Muslim or a socialist.

ps Bosniaks is the correct description for Bosnian Muslims (see WIkipedia). . .

Posted by: SFL | October 3, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm an Obama supporter.. but let's give credit where it's due.

Gov Palin did a FABULOUS EXCEPTIONAL job in the debate. She held off the TREMENDOUS pressure- the most I could imagine a VP candidate might have. She held her own against the champ Biden.. and then some! To negate this triumph would be be to ignore the truth.

Now, that being said, the Reb ticket is still a no-vote due to policies, but I certainly do admire charisma and strength of Ms. Palin and McCain too!! A winner in my book.

Let's hope the best wins! :)

Posted by: Tara | October 3, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Freaks 1 n all
U r scaring the
Children
Kindly leve now

Posted by: crap | October 3, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

She is stupid, plain and simple. The scary part is she thinks she is smart. After 20 minutes she was lost.

Posted by: Scy | October 3, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Semir. I was uninformed and I appreciate the correction.

Posted by: pickthosenits | October 3, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for invoking "panicking David Brooks types." I do not know which other debate he was watching. (But to be fair, Mr. Mark Shields thought Sarah Palin did well too). But rambled as she was or folksy as she tried to be or smily as she potrayed; Americans showed overwhelmingly that she lacked substance (I saw through this in the speech she gave at the Republican Convention). Until last night, I never listened or heard her since that smelly speech in Minnesota because she was just an empty barrel from the Exxon Mobil oil shores of Alaska!

I cannot imagine reading through the transcripts of all what she said yesterday, one will develop migraine and tension headache combined. Unintelligible!

Posted by: midas20874 | October 3, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Manolete's contribution to bullfighting included being able to stand very still while passing the bull close to his body and, rather than giving the passes separately, he was able to remain in one spot and link four or five consecutive passes together into compact series. He popularized a pass with the red cloth called the "Manoletina" which is normally given just before entering to kill with the sword. In addition to all of the major bullrings of Spain, he had very important triumphs in Plaza Mexico. He died following a goring in the right upper leg as he killed the fifth bull of the day, the Miura bull Islero, an event that left Spain in a state of shock.

Posted by: DeadBullshiller | October 3, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Did those taht say Palin did so well last night actually listen to her or did you just chose for yourself which answers you wanted to hear?

I do not know how she did as the Govenor of Alaska but she is not ready to be my President or my Commande. If she was to make it in office and something happaned and she became president I would be embarrased.

And by the way Paul when you stated "I presume the CEO's are paying income tax on their already taxed profits as well" You are completely wrong. All salaries are part of the companies expenses and are subtracted from the gross Income and therefore are not taxed. Tax is acessed on Net Income.

Posted by: Allen | October 3, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

SFL, what you are seeing today is a "storm" caused by the Achenblog being linked to by a troll-heavy forum, causing a mass migration much like locusts.

They will plunder this blog post and then move on. I invite those who appreciate more thoughtful discourse to come back, if only to continue reading Joel's posts (kits as they're called here on the Achenblog).


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I was astonished to learn from Palin last night that the Vice President now "presides over the Senate". What a remarkable job! Not only a member of the executive branch, but a member of Congress as well! Thanks and kudos to Governor Palin for pointing out a simple fact that not even the founding fathers understood.

The woman is a halfwit.

Posted by: Mark F | October 3, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Apparently when you put lipstick AND talking points on a pig and people will say, "Well, it didn't screw up as badly as we thought..."

Posted by: kevin B. | October 3, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Dudes!

This Boodle rocks!!

I have not laughed so hard at bad grammar in a while.

People who fall for Palin say stuff like "git r done" and we can find that in what dictionary? It is SOOOO PATRIOTIC to slaughter the English language. And wanting to speak and spell properly is, well, elitist at best, Communist at worst.

Apparently, using all capital letters and omitting all punctuation, hyphens and apostrophes included, proves that the commenter is fully qualified to pass judgment on those of us who have taken the time and made the effort to actually use our brains to make a decision that will benefit the country.

And that, my friends, is a run-on sentence.

Posted by: a bea c | October 3, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

My understanding is VP is an very honorable & reponsible position. Based on Sarah Palin's comment from last night here are my comments

1. I thought she was acting nothing more than a kid; laughing every now & then and winking, which made her look very casual & ir-responsible.

2. In USA, at this point in time where people were expecting true answers she was always casual & never answered straight. I do agree that she was direct in her talks, but what value does it bring to the country if those words are phony & cannot answer the question.

3. She did mention something in her speech about Alaska. After doing some research about Alaska on this site, (http://www.classbrain.com/artstate/publish/article_1222.shtml) I realized its a big state with barely any population, which means she manages a BIG state but manages barely any population, so not quite sure what gives her the idea that she is great.

4. Not that I'm saying Joe was great, but I can for sure say "Sarah Palin" was a total waste

Final Comment: God forbid if people of this country appoint her as VP based on the speech she gave last night, where people thought she was a straight speaker. I think this country needs people who are thoughtful & experienced rather than just straight talker.

Posted by: Prasanna | October 3, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm passing tonight. Geez. You hate me? I'm a saint by comparison. They're beating you like a rented mule. Palin did fine. Biden was the usual 30 years in the Senate schmuck. Yeah, right, in the neighborhood I grew up in... Nice lakeside mansion, Joe "Daddy of Hedge Funders and Lobbyist" "Six Million PAC" Daddy. OK. I've vented. I'll pray for you (agnostics and atheists). I'm secretly Baptizing you as well. Haha!

Posted by: Troll | October 3, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

But she sure knows hot to debate!!!!!

Posted by: Scy | October 3, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

"My dog is more qualified to be VP than Sarah Palin."

Posted by: Charles | October 3, 2008 7:28 PM

Charles, even if your dog pooped on the lap of the Iranian minister in midst of nuke talks, your dog would still do less damage to our country than this woman is likely to inflict on us.

Posted by: kevinb | October 3, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Please, Please ,Please America. Open your eyes. First, Obama is not a Muslim, check your facts. Second, do NOT put McCain/Palin in the White House. You will screw up your country soo totally and the rest of the world will suffer in a domino effect style. Thirdly, WHAT IS WRONG WITH AN ELITIST, ANYWAY? You guys need people with an education in office. I know this 'cause I have people with NO education in power and it's really bad. Don't go in that direction. Lastly, just to clarify, Obama is not an eletist, he just has an education and that's good. Biden has experience in Washington D.C. Also good. Isn't your choice easy?

Concerned citizen in Venezuela.

Posted by: nadine mandeville | October 3, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

- Constitution of the United States

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, there is quite a bit of controversy on how to rate Palin's performance.

Compared to VP debates past, there were no major gotcha moments like Lloyd Bentsen's "Senator, I knew JFK, and you ain't no JFK" to Dan Quayle, although I thought Biden's moment when he thoroughly corrected Palin on McCain's actual voting record came close, it just wasn't a sound bite.

Anybody expecting a complete disaster for Palin was disappointed.

But it was not a good debate performance, but a good "Palin" performance. She ignored the questions repeatedly to deliver a stump speech. I had heard of the interview disaster and the first five moments convinced me that it was no exaggeration. However, she started looking at her notes repeatedly and started getting more confident and coherent.

I would almost wonder what it'd be like if I could bring notes to an interview and refer to them when asked questions about subjects I am supposed to know something about, ignoring questions, and then lecturing others on not being what "America wants".

But I know the answer already. It'd be "not getting hired."

However, both candidates did show their respective styles and strengths, which at least is some information for the undecided voters to think about.


Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin paid for votes in August 2008.

Alaska Legislature passes $1,200 energy rebate
Steve Quinn/The Associated Press

Originally published Thursday, August 7, 2008 at 9:06 p.m.
Updated Thursday, August 7, 2008 at 11:25 p.m.

By STEVE QUINN

Associated Press Writer

JUNEAU — Most Alaskans are $1,200 richer.

That’s because the Alaska Legislature backed Gov. Sarah Palin’s call for an energy assistance package in a special session that ended just hours before its 11:59 p.m. Thursday deadline.

An energy bill and an accompanying appropriations bill are worth close to $1 billion. Both await Palin’s signature. The Legislature also supported Palin’s suspension of the state’s 8 cent a gallon fuel sales tax.

In a statement, Palin praised lawmakers for 60 days of special session work that also featured the approval of a license to a Canadian company to pursue a natural gas pipeline project.

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 3, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

...and yes, I did call her a pig, but a darned good lookin' one! Sarah Pailin is a succulent sycophant, destined for greatness, or obscurity, all of it depending on the gullibility of the American voters, and the ability of Diebold and the new Federal prosecutors to rig the election.

Posted by: kevinb | October 3, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

To the boodlers who stuck it out or returned to add reason to this blog, my heartfelt thanks. You know who you are.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

While Sarah Palin is out campaigning, who is taking care of her new baby? If she's elected who will take care of her children then? How many middle America mothers have the luxury of full time child care?

Posted by: wondering | October 3, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm late into the boodle... those last two quotes of Palin that you mention Joel are pretty bad to say the least... I couldn't bring myself to watch the debate... Canadian political debates are boring enough. But yes, I did notice the 'twinkling' which was quite irritating. What a ditz!

Posted by: Miss Toronto | October 3, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Today I listened to a nurse on the front lines in Afghanistan. She had just done three surgeries on our boys - amputations of their legs and one boy lost both legs and an arm. This is the cost we have paid because the Republican leadership in this country were too stupid, yes, too damn dumb to even understand the word diplomacy, too attached to their ideology of "right and wrong" and "evil and good" to take the time to figure out any other way than to take OUR children and sacrifice them on the altars of their greed and lust for "victory." Why should America give another chance to these sick and misguided people? The denigration of intelligence, the dumbing down of America by the Republican leadership is a disgrace to the founders of this nation. People like Sarah Palin will destroy this country, will destroy your family, will bring death and destruction to the people of this world. They've proved it. So if you want to play with the lives of your friends and even your family, then go ahead and vote for these blood-thirsty, moose-killing Republicans. They will NOT disappoint you. They will destroy you, but they will NOT disappoint you.

Posted by: Dan Rains | October 3, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a ditz! I watched ten seconds of it and had enough of her 'twinkling' persona... it might be wise to start drug testing politicians since it's not just athletes looking for performance these days.

Posted by: Miss Toronto | October 3, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Damn I thought she wanted me.

Posted by: Greg | October 3, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Miss T, we are a dollar short and a kit behind.

Shiloh, try biblic quotations now.

Repent! The End is Near!

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 3, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

So the constitution is now "flexible"? Interesting how rigid the constitution is until it suits a Republican to make it flexible again! So much for "originalist" Supreme apointments

Posted by: Richard | October 3, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

OK. So she was successful because she didn't break down and start babbling like an idiot.

Now let's turn to the substance and look at what she did say.

Let's see...mostly a collection of bumper sticker length slogans that could possibly be linked together, depending on how divergent your thinking is. Not very friendly to those of us who tend to think in a linear fashion.

And oh yeah...she sounded like "one of us." Sorry, but that's not a good thing. Just as I would not want either Joe Pesci or Marisa Tomei (from My Cousin Vinny), or Goober Pyle or Minnie Perl representing our country to the world, I shudder at the idea of Palin sitting across from somebody like Putin. Sorry, but in some instances, speech littered with colloquialisms is not appropriate, especially when you have an urge to check to see if the person spewing them is also chewing gum.

Does that sound elitist? You betcha!

Posted by: jahlen | October 3, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh get a life!!

Winking, blinking....who cares.


Posted by: Truth Seeker | October 3, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I found her to be completely phony and weirdly emotionless. That smile was like a news anchor's smile when she tells you that 20 people have just been shot dead at a massacre downtown. If there were more substance there, I suppose I could handle having her overly-whitened teeth thrust in my face and her "cute" little winks in my direction. But since she was barely comprehendible and dodged 90% of the questions, the whole display was rather disgusting.

Posted by: GS | October 3, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

With Sarah Palin in the picture the campaign has lost meaning to me.

First, it is was the inexperienced Obama. We all agreed to that.

Second, it was the gov from Alaska who understands us.

Third, it was the Veep who just had to be kicked out cos she could not answer very basic questions; A simple newspaper question ends up in "Alaska is not a foriegn country"

Fourth, Daddy steps in to say experience is no big deal.

Now, she decides to set questions for herself in a national debate and goes on to answer them anyway and we are all behind her cos she did not make a fool of herself. And oh, lets not forget those curious winks which to me is beauty pageant stuff.

If women want to start portraying themselves in politics as "delicate" while we all treat her with mittens, I think it's weak. I do not recall Condoleezza Rice or Hillary Clinton going through this circus before getting where they are.

If she wants to be Veep, she has to earn. Otherwise, to put democrats on the same footing, I suggest Obama gets a dress and applies some paint on his lips.

Posted by: Harry | October 3, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Paul???

Are you walking advertisement for the GOP elite?
When did you allow intelligence to walk out the door and let stupidity to walk in. "You presume.."? It's idiots like you that will believe anything anyone tells you.Have you ever looked at the accounting records and/or accounting practices of some of these companies.These companies can literally write upto 20% off in order to pay less tax.And they can do this within the law, by using loopholes within the tax system.Scratch below the surface, educate yourself and break free from the stupid disease.And that goes for all GOP sympathizers.

Posted by: Mike | October 3, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Dave,
That was hilarious!

Posted by: GS | October 3, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

For shriek...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080113174657AAEkNnv

...as requested and no megalomania assumed.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

The difference between the 2 VP candidate is that Palin is being patted on the back for not imploding, while Biden is being patted on the back for having his facts at the ready. Who would you rather see in the White House?

Posted by: soccer mama | October 3, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is not a "season unscrupulous corrupt" politician, so of course she would not appeal to those who are. She is an attractive woman, so of course many of the unattractive woman will not like her. He is not a liberal democrat who believes that the people who work for a living should have to support the slackers who don't work, so of course the slackers and the liberal dems will not like her. She believes in working for the people, not the party, and that is very confusing to most of us because we aren't accustomed to having honest politicians in our country. She appears to be a happy vibrant person and that doesn't seem to fit well with the bitter, ugly, nasty people in this country. So all things considered .... she has been drawn into an ugly political race that she has every right and reason to pull out of , but she is not a quitter. Good Luck, Sarah ... we don't deserve you, but I sure hope your ticket wins. You are the only real change that could come out of this whole mess.

Posted by: thinker02 | October 3, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

She smiles, she winks, she's folksy, she's from a small town, she hunts, she sticks to the scripted talking points, and she is unwilling (and unable) to answer the questions put to her by the hateful mainstream media.

She complies with all the requirements for a Vice President or President in the eyes of God-fearing, hard-working, gun-totin' regular 'simple' folks.

You betcha!

Posted by: George | October 3, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I can never imagine Palin's winks would induce so many new visitors to the boodle. I still try to find the names I am familiar with, even some of the talking seems familiar.

Posted by: daiwanlan | October 3, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

All I can say ... apparently the bar was set really low if you think she did well last night ... Biden wisely held back and did not make her look more stupid than she is ... let's hope people vote for the better candidates instead of voting in fear that the republican party has instilled throughout the years. They get votes using fear alone.

Posted by: Smarterthanarepublican | October 3, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

she may have winked but she never blinked. that should count for something. ;)

Posted by: northernexposure | October 3, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for Obama to start winking at Sara Palin when he is next to his wife...That would be funny...Two Winkers

Posted by: Tony | October 3, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

thinker has something in his/her 8:52, it explains all the Obama hate. The man is smoking hot, so all the ugly men won't vote for him.

Posted by: frostbitten | October 3, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

What an effete bunch. Everyone so put out by winking. It's just a mannerism, people, not an etiquette breach. Guess ya'll live in parts of the country where flipping people off is more acceptable? Keep me laughing!

Posted by: TBC | October 3, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I will too.

Posted by: RD Padouk | October 3, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I consider it a major plus that Biden got through an entire debate without, as near as we can tell, plagiarizing comments from anyone.

Posted by: George Hanshaw | October 3, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

"she may have winked but she never blinked. that should count for something. ;)"

Dry eyes?

Posted by: frostbitten | October 3, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse


I was thinking with the enormous pressure Sarah was under by the Letist media and the Messiah types, she might break down but to my surprise it was Biden almost on tears.
Yeah, the lady winks but does not flinch.

McCain/ Palin 08

Posted by: vic | October 3, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm so in agreement with everyone who sees the bar as being set very low for little Sara Palin. One thing that was so obvious but not talked about in what I have read so far was how she was NOT drilled by the commentator for NOT answering the questions. I appreciated how during the Presidential debate both candidates had to own up to the questions asked. It seemed like little Sara was being handled as if she were a child, can't hurt her feelings, must walk on eggs around this gal. Gosh this whole mess stinks. Go Obama - Biden!

Posted by: lolablev | October 3, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Hi, it's me again. I led off this thread and just want to say again that Joe Biden is a bozo who doesn't know what I knew in high school about the powers of the VP.

It's hysterically funny that the MSM has ignored his gaffes, the same MSM that pimped the greatest heist in history, the Wall Street bailout.

Posted by: Jim Ostrowski | October 3, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Look deeper and search for the original person before choosing him/her as Vice president and possible president of America. A highly skilled debater trained by umpteen number of coaches for one week, like a High school student who takes intensive training at Kaplan to score high for SAT, can impress the camera but is that the important thing America needs at this time in a President/VP?. Of course, that ability is laudable but more importantly, the Vice president/ President should have the wisdom, knowledge, experience and power of judgment to lead the nation.

Senator McCain strongly advocated and supported deregulation for years; when everything fell down, he said economy is basically very good; in the next hour he said we are in deep trouble; then he canceled the campaign, went to DC and complicated the matter frther; failed to convince own party men to vote; canceled the debate and then canceled the cancellation! Before all of this , he had instant solution for the Wall Street problems and fired Cox and appointed Andrew Cuomo, Mike Bloomberg etc to oversee economic operations; (all through press conferences; even without asking them)!

He first thought Al Qaeda was being trained by Iran. Gov Palin yesterday, said the center of terrorist problem is in Iraq. We all know that there was not one Al Qaeda man/woman in Iraq when we invaded that country. Instead of eliminating Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, for which we had outpouring support from all over the world, vested interests in DC dragged the nation to war in Iraq hoping that they families can hold the keys for oil to the world for all times to come. In that process they alienated most of the people of the world particularly middle east from us. They embraced dictators to promote democracy and alienated people

Biden listed so many reasons why McCain- Palin can not do the job. He established that McCain-Palin program will be no different than that of the present administration.They are not mavericks. We heard his confident voice that should echo on the international stage. We heard declarations and assurances that would make America resurrect restoring its pride and moral right as the leader of nations.

Palin drifted away from questions when she did not have answers. She played like a smart kid who skillfully dodges around the parents and teachers. A little professor, naughty though, as we read in a book on TA. We all like to hear our 2-3 year old children or grandchildren speak. That is the best talk we want to hear. We get excited if they speak fluently, especially with clarity unusual for their age. This is because we have a soft corner for the young and the weak. We get, involuntarily, biased towards Palin. She is like our dear kid making a super performance on the stage Let us all give her a second and third round of applause.


Americans are also smarter. The ignorant, Uninformed/ misinformed presidents can easily be misguided as has probably happened in the case of President Bush . If a president/vice president cannot analyze and make own decisions the country is in real danger. Nothing against her or McCain, but Obama-Biden is the team for America. They are better qualified and can do the job better

Posted by: Kuriakose Pulikeel | October 3, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

guess Palin should apologize for her happy and smiling demeanor and attractiveness. What we need is a grumpy, ugly woman for vice president... goodness, if people are upset with her because of the way she looks or that she smiles a lot, if people are judging her character based her the fact that she smiles... let me get this straight, you'd be happier talking to a grumpy guy and vote for him because you can tell, by his grumpiness, that he has good judgment....
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McCain is an UGLY, ERRATIC, GRUMPY old man and, NO, we do NOT want him for president! Palin just makes McCain all the more UGLY, ERRATIC, AND GRUMPY OLD MAN THAT HE IS!. Palin is acting like a 4 year old girl with her winks, eye-lash fluttering, and fixed smile. She is NOT genuine, she is ignorant, manipulative and downright ugly in spirit. No, thanks, we do not need an ugly, erratic, grumpy old man and a 4-year old child woman dressed in 60's attire and hairdo in the white house.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

And thinker02 - very sad that we all have to pay for the 6% of the slackers who are currently on the unemployment roles, and the other 10% who are under employed or just off the rolls because they have no job. Shame shame shame on you for putting blame on those less fortunate.

Posted by: lolablev | October 3, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a joke. Went to four colleges to get a degree in journalism? Come on. Being a hockey mom, peppy and winky is not a qualification to be the next vice president.

If she becomes the next vice president, USA will be such a joke to other nations.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Those who really think Sarah is qualified, smart, and get it..those who really think so are not qualified to vote as americans...reaching such low point of picking our president shows nothing but complete ignorance

Posted by: reto | October 3, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I get your point, but to say that Sarah Palin is an emoticon is really an insult to emoticons everywhere.

The truth is, she didn't belong up there on stage. Bush appointed shills (heckuva job, Brownie) and now McCain has done the same thing.

What happened to the decency and humility of just saying "Thank you for thinking of me as a potential vice-president running mate, but honestly, I think the responsibility the job requires is above my abilities"?

We live in cynical times.

Posted by: 999 | October 3, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

How did we arrive at this point! a Barbie fit for a prescription glass ad. running thru a memorized one liners, designed to impress happy, creationist, science hating baboons suddenly is positioned to run the country. This is a dumbing down at its worst.

Posted by: Jake | October 3, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

For me, it's very simple. I cannot stand another 4 years (godforbid8) of the mispronounciation of the word "nuclear". IS IT REALLY THAT DIFFICULT TO PRONOUNCE NU-KLEE-AR???

Posted by: lch1 | October 3, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Soccer mama, how true. Palin already showed in earlier interviews that she had never bothered to really study anything about foreign policy.

Cramming for a debate doesn't fix disasters such as this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/25/eveningnews/main4479062.shtml

One thing that bothers me a lot is how she "reads minds" to know what other people want. Like "What America wants" or "What Barack Obama is thinking".

This gave me flashbacks to Bush's "gut" judgment of other people.
http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000263.htm

But while we're on Memory Lane-- which McCain doesn't want us to be on, here's part of why McCain didn't get nominated in 2000.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=668_1204083055

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden won this debate hands down. He answered all the questions very thoroughly and with confidence and intelligence.
Sarah Palin never really answered the questions and instead kept talking about energy continuously. She never described nor outlined any of McCain's plans for Iraq, the economy, healthcare, social security etc. but just kept spouting out cutesy comments and remarks.
Sarah Palin tries so hard to appear to be just an average American "Joe" but if you actually read her and McCain's agenda and position on the issues you'll see that rather than working for the average middle-class American that they're instead helping the large money making oil and gas companies and the wealthiest American citizens. That's what I find very disturbing.

Posted by: scout | October 3, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Sara still does not know the role of VP as defined by Constitution. Watch the movie, Idiocracy. That is what has happened last 8 years and now possibly another 4 years? Wake up, people!

Posted by: Chris | October 3, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

You need to study the VP office a bit more before you go shooting off your mouth. The VP votes only in case of a tie but the VP could preside over the US Senate all day long, if they so choose to do so. Early US VP's were much more involved with the day to day Senate than what has been the norm over the past 100 years.


Posted by: TN J | October 3, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Troll,

Oy ve
'tis truth you speak today
meanwhile,
if you could smile
once in a while
we would be beguiled

Super winkly twinkly XOXOXOs

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 3, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

O'Biden, Nucular, McClellan, Joe-Six-Pack, ICK, SCARY, ICK

Posted by: hhii | October 3, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod: You are a valuable and informed soldier in this fight for democracy in our republic. Thank you.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Palin's folksy schtick is so contrived. The reveal came after Biden choked up and Palin did not acknowledge his response, but started talking about maverick (again!).

There really is no there there. And it is pitiful how the McCain campaign is using this woman. Palin handling our foreign policy if McCain dies? No thank you.

Posted by: ikea1 | October 3, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Palin is an IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wouldn't trust her to tie my shoes. If you believe anything she says you must be as dumb as her.

Posted by: baby joejoe | October 3, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Ok everyone all of us Obama Posters are challenging all McCain posters to a Stare Contest on Achenblog. This the second time we have done this on the Washington Post, the first time was on Chris Cillizza's The Fix. This has never been done before on any comments section in the history of any Presidential election which means all of us are making history! Cool Right! Lets start - Now we have in our corner a champion Jessica Alba who in real life supports Obama/Biden.

Are you ready? Ok on three ...1 ...2 ...3

Jessica Alba The Stare Response
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmzcKXsllWs

Ok this part isn't a contest but we are fans of Sarah Silverman
Welcome to The Great Schlep
http://www.thegreatschlep.com/site/index.html

Change we need

Vote Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Cooday | October 3, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

It's probably time to give it a rest. Palin did what she was trained to do. She connected to the mass of men who live lives of quiet desperation. She was as familiar as the local news broadcaster. She resonated with the fundamentalists and spoke to the majority. She was good, empty of content, but good at broadcasting. She was trying to be the distaff Reagan "great communicator" - but she is no Reagan in experience or life work. She was just another talking head, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

They dressed her in a "valentino" 10K dress, a thing she never afforded, and put her on national stage infront of 70M americans and the whole world watching, and she simply do not fit, and a complete ignorant...I wish I feel sorry for her, but she accepted being in such position ... French Politian said: "if that's an american dream, i can tell you it's a french nightmare" .. if mccain win (god forbid) she'll be sitting with french, german, british sophisticated politicians and they will look down at her and down at us...this is not what represent the most powerful country on earth

Posted by: reto | October 3, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I have found an debate analysis that should answer all doubts.

http://www.adennak.com/archives/palinflow.gif

In chess you have to think a few moves ahead, anticipate the other's possible moves and plan counterstrategies.

Politics is more complex than chess, but runs on similar principles. You must know the board and the players, and keep going. Unlike in chess, all parties don't necessarily want (or settle for) the same goals. Many presidents have used poker metaphors for politics.

You stand pat, you bid or fold, wait until the cards fall right. You read the other players and what they may have.

If you're in a bad hole, the game's not lost as long as you don't throw all your resources into that mistake and have nothing left over to win future hands.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2008/02/04/080204ta_talk_mcmanus

McCain though, is reputed to love craps and throw the dice for hours, depending on luck. It's all about the thrill for him, as statistically he's more likely to lose than win.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 3, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

jahlen wrote:

"Just as I would not want either Joe Pesci or Marisa Tomei (from My Cousin Vinny), or Goober Pyle or Minnie Perl representing our country to the world, I shudder at the idea of Palin sitting across from somebody like Putin. "

Actually, jahlen, if the lady who created the character "Minnie Pearl" was still alive, I would much prefer her to Palin. Sarah Cannon was actually an intelligent, educated lady. The Sarah Cannon Cancer Center at Vanderbilt Hospital was partially funded and named after her. She probably knew more about foreign affairs than Palin does. At least she had traveled all over the world.

Posted by: thelastmoderate | October 3, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

The way some folks - journalists and "pundits" included - seem to be convinced that Mrs Palin "won" the debate beats me...
How is that possible?

It just can't be... Unless substance has been devalued to such an extent that it urgently needs an intellectual bailout...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

YOU obama fans are going to HAVE a BROKEN heart soon when he loses..Even your KIDS will BE SAd..LMAO..McCain/Palin 2008

Posted by: OWNAGE | October 3, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

So, looking at the rules of posting comments, I am amazed to see the disconnect between what some people have written on this comments stream and the guidelines for responsible commenting. "Muslim communist Obama"? Is that not visceral - and highly racist / ignorant - personal attack? And if it's not, what is?
Those of you who write such things, let alone think them, please get a historical, cultural clue, inform yourselves, cultivate some respect and maturity and then come back to voice your opinions to the rest of the reading public.
SFL, I agree: "I am very surprised that people actually believe the lies that Obama is a Muslim or a socialist."
For those of you who think that moving people from welfare to work in a poor Chicago community, or trying to get everyone access to healthcare is "communism" or even "socialism", or even remotely subject to criticism, I ask you first of all to reflect that a move in that direction is an ANTI-SOCIALIST move. I ask you secondly to care for a second about the world around you, reflect for a minute about the kind of world you want to live in, reflect for a minute about the fact that others' well-being affects yours too (since it seems that yours is all you care about).
And then, and only then, cast your vote.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Will the last moderate please roll up the Constitution and put it in a place of safekeeping. It may be wanted again another day.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I will try but it is already scorched at the edges. Renditions, Gitmo, torture, etc.

Posted by: thelastmoderate | October 3, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

First off,I'm a Canadian thus neither a Republican nor Democrat, so consider this a view from the world outside the U.S.of A.
Americans, internationally renowned as the greatest narcissists may not be aware of this, but yes, there are "others" out there.
To me the Palin-Biden debate should be of little consequence as I can not believe that anyone in their right mind would vote for the Republican party after what they've done in the past few years.
I supported the war in Afghanistan because of 9-11, but then, after starting that war what did the U.S do? Why they basically bailed out and left Canadians -and others-
to have their young men and women come home in flag draped boxes. Bin Laden and the Taliban could have been destroyed, human rights could have been restored in Afghanistan had America kept its eye on the ball and concentrated their full force there. But no, they had to go start their war on terror in Iraq and justified it by saying "oh, sorry, we were misinformed.
When hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT people have been killed, maimed, left homeless, jobless and live in a constant state of terror - "sorry" doesn't quite cut it.There was no jihad in Iraq until the Americans invaded, but there is now and it's there to stay, But what could you expect... if a foreign nation invaded the United States would the American people just lay down and sat "oh okay, we'll accept the slaughter of our people and you taking over our country."
Hell, no- it would never happen, Americans would fight to the death, to the last man and woman to protect their country and their way of life. Anyone sanely disagree with that? When Iraqis do it they are all "terrorists". What a bunch of crap.
And to the religious right - Do you think that if Jesus were with us today he would have supported the disembowelment of Iraq? I don't think so.
Our Prime Minister is currently fighting an election too: I am ashamed as a Canadian but even more so as a human being that he supported the war in Iraq... apparently, he too was "misinformed".
So what are we left with? Two more Vietnams -one that could have been won (Afghanistan) had the U.S. not bailed to start the other war - now we have two "wars" that cannot be won because divided we can not conquer.
And then there's the recession that's soon to hit, and hit hard the American people.Who brought that on why Mr. Bush's Republicans , that's who. From where I sit : Bush - McCain ... two peas from the same pod.
The people of the United States of America cannot, in clear conscience reinstate the Republican party.
Four points in closing:
(i) McCain voted for the war in Iraq, Obama did not, enough said there.
(ii) Bush had the audacity to speak during Olympic prime-time about the deep dissatisfaction about China's human rights record, yet had no qualms in borrowing billions of dollars from them for the invasion and occupation of Iraq. If that isn't a human rights violation of immeasurable proportions, what is. ( Not to mention that the U.S. will be financially indebted to China forever.)
(iii)back to the narcissism - I was outraged that during the presidential debates the only mention of casualties were of Americans - no mention of the casualties of your allies or of the people of Iraq and Afghanistan
(iv)One would think that by my diatribe that I do not like the U.S. On the contrary, I have traveled extensively throughout the continental U.S. - by canoe through seven states, by bicycle through four states and through playing rugby about a dozen other states. Through those travels I have literally met thousands of the true American people - from all walks of life - and have found them to be as friendly and helpful a people as you will find anywhere on the globe. I hope and pray that they will not re-elect the war mongering Republican party because if they do, the blood of thousands of innocents will be on their hands just as if they'd fired the guns themselves.

Posted by: Steve Hicks | October 3, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

It is obvious the author only saw the wink. He doesn't understand English. That is what Palin was speaking. Biden was speaking Washingtonese. He being from the Beltway could understand Biden.

Posted by: bummmer 1 | October 3, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting to read comments from Palin fans and supporters. I can understand how they feel being frustrated not knowing anything and trying to sound as if they do.

Posted by: Kimmo
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They are acting just like Sarah, she doesn't know anything either but tries to sound as if she does. Very sad for both Sarah and her supporters. And the really, really sad thing is that McCain chose her as his runningmate and put her into such an embarrassing situation for her. And shame on her for accepting when she KNEW she was not qualified. Sarah is an embarrassement and a disgrace to the majority of women in our country, the ones who are intelligent and hardworking.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

It is a comfort to know that the majority of the population recognizes that over estimating this woman's mind could lead to some very disturbing and unpleasant truths in the near future. I wish that Sarah was enjoying moose season up there in good ol Alaska, doggone it, but what is a vp pick hockey mom to do? I guess stun the masses with her constant winking, smirking and vaporous answers to some of the country's most important questions. Someone who will not be held accountable during debate to answer a question will be an absolute monster as VP, especially with increased power (which was the only thing she seemed to get really excited about!)

Posted by: What?? | October 3, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

With any luck, once this is over Palin will have a new job:

Impersonating Tina Fey.

Posted by: JakeR | October 3, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Steve Hicks, I think your rational thinking would be welcome to this blog - although it already has a surfeit of Canadians - please join in again.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey, new folks, don't be so darned lazy -- take a moment to fill-in a handle and keep to it so we can tell one "Anonymous" from another. They're ALL anonymous, so you might as well choose a handle that we can at least use to keep the voices straight.

Remember, kids -- the voices are not your friends.

Posted by: PlainTim | October 3, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

A maverick and a ditz walk into a bar and sit next to this dude talking to a horse, who is seated next to him.
“My horse is pretty smart,” the dude says to McCain.
“Is he now,…” says McCain, thinking hard.
“Yeah, his IQ has been tested around 195 on the Stanford-Binet scale,” the dude replies, interrupted by the horses neighing. “He says your IQ is half your age, which makes you an imbecile.” The horse laughs and McCain gets angry. Sensing this, the horse taunts him by speaking French and Vietnamese. McCain’s face reddens and he mutters expletives under his breath.
“I bet you a hundred dollars I can make your horse laugh.”
“You’re on,” says the dude.
McCain turns to look the horse square in the eyes and says “I’m a maverick and I’m going to bring change to America.”
The horse laughs so hard it nearly falls out off the barstool.
“Didn’t think you had it goin’ on upstairs enough to pull it off pops,” the dude says, handing McCain a crisp $100 dollar Federal Reserve note that was only worth $2.50 by the time McCain managed to pocket it. “Mad props. I told you he was smart.” The horse starts munching on hundred dollar notes, as if to confirm this.
The ditz pipes up with “Betcha can not do it agin’ Maverick—doncha know. Wink. Wink.”
“You filthy trollop, you’ve been using that line ever since I tapped you, but if it’ll make you shut your pie hole, I’ll do it.”
McCain turns back to the horse and says “The ditz thinks she’s qualified to be the Vice President of the United States of America.”
This time the horse laughs so hard he falls off of his barstool and lays on the floor, barely able to breathe, peeing himself.
The dude looks disgusted and says “I’d like a shot at getting my money back. Two to one you can’t make him cry bro.”
McCain looks at the ditz and winces, as he always has ever since he realized the implications of his impulsive choice for VP.
“When Putin rears his head over the airspace of the United States, where do they go? Where did they go? Itzy bitsy spiders….”
The ditz starts crawling on the floor of the bar looking for them, and McCain turns to the dude and says “That’ll keep the c*nt occupied for awhile. You’re on.”
.He turns to the horse again and says “A hundred million Americans agree with her.”
The horse scrutinizes the maverick. After a moment’s pause he realizes that even through the mavericks lips were moving, he was telling the truth. The poor horse starts bawling, looking confused from the cognitive dissonance.
The dude says “okay, one more chance man, one more chance, all or nothing.”
Palin approaches and gets back up on her barstool, forgetting what she was doing the moment before, as she has been doing ever since McCain tapped her, and possibly ever since she was born.
The dude looks uncomfortable and says “can you make the ditz go away?”
“I got no way of knowing that you two might not try to pull something funny.”
McCain turns to the ditz and says “What would you have done if Katie had played hardball with you?”
The ditz responds that she wouldn’t have blinked, and her mannerisms become that of a robot. She looks like she’s been hypnotized.
McCain says, “We are going back in time, to the interview, can you hear me okay?”
“Dang sure tootin’, Katy ” the ditz responds.
“Are you ready for your next question, Governor Palin?”
“Dang sure tootin’ , Katy.”
“Did the Old Kingdom Egyptians use their dinosaurs to help them build the pyramids, Governor?”
The ditz gets really nervous, panics, and runs out of the bar.
“Wow man, that was a serious gotcha question!”
The maverick smiles and says “let’s rock and roll.”
“I’m running with the ditz against that Muslim Socialist Communist Rascist America hatin’ Black Millitant Fist Bump Doin’ Barrack Hussein Obama and his Trotskyite Wobbly sidekick Joe Biden for President and VP of the United States of America.”
The horse laughs his ass off, knowing that Biden is a Stalinist, not a Trotskyist.
And of course realizing that the grossly incompetent maverick and ditz are way, way overmatched. McCain turns to the dude and whispers “Now don’t get excited youngun’ that’s just the setup, see?”
He turns back to the horse and says It’s going to be a close election.”
As before, the horse is momentarily paralyzed by the cognitive dissonance arising when he realizes that the maverick is telling the truth. Then he starts shaking with powerful heaving sobs, puking all over the floor. The dude shakes his head, watching as the horse looses control of his bowels and starts going into convulsions. He hands McCain his wallet and walks out of the bar.
The bartender walks over to the maverick and says “Damn, you f*ck*d up his horse, took all of his money, and made a hell of a mess out of this place. You’re one angry SOB!”
McCain laughs and says “this is nothing; you should see what’ll happen when I’m done with running the country.”
The bartender asks him if he’s going to clean up the mess.
“No,” says McCain, picking up a mop.
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I was impressed with Biden's performance, but then I'm probably biased because I've always respected his passion and ability to articulate his position, even if I do usually disagree with him. He comes across as genuine, a good person. Despite my cynical humor, I actually like Palin and some of the things she's done in Alaska; but although she did much,much better in this debate than in the interviews,I was turned off by the folksy delivery and lack of substance. The talking points become regurgited propaganda with no life to them once you hear them a couple of times, doncha know.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Is it safe to come out yet?

Shiloh, my hero, this one's for you:
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=505

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 3, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I remember the Presidential debate of 2000 when that straight talking candidate George W Bush was told by Al Gore that his economic plan could not work. Mr. Bush responded by saying "I dont know anything about that fuzzy math". My Co-workers thought it was funny when I told them that I thought it would come back to hurt us. We now have a candidate who says the economy is not his strong point. Watch out. I wonder about people who question other peoples patriotism. We spend $144 Billion in Iraq every year. They bank their money and laugh at us while going to the Bank. If we were to stop paying them that money and divided it by fifty (each state would receive $2.8 Billion Dollars). Which candidate wants us to continue giving them that money. The republicans talk about the Democrats and taxes. The Clinton years higher taxes Bush years lower taxes. Which years were better. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. America this is a crucial time. Mr.
McCain will not get several chances to go back and forth on one issue. We do not have room for error regarding the economy or the military. God help us all if Mrs. Palin ascends to role of president of the USA.

Posted by: kb | October 3, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

We on the outside of your country watch your election process while anxiously biting our nails as you pick your next ruling party. Could you please stick to business and stop experimenting in your elections? International nerves would calm down directly and we could get back to our regularly scheduled programming instead of stressing out watching yours.

Posted by: what??International | October 3, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Broadening the base, DNA, (noting that al Gebra is the system, and al Queda is the base) is the realistic way forward and it's safe to come out.

Posted by: Shiloh | October 3, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Biden's multiple apparent factual errata, any number of which were astonishingly egregious, blatantly belied his vaunted experience, let alone many of the opinions advanced here as to the putative "winner."

See:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6y54n_rove_news

http://freerepublic.info/focus/f-news/2096370/posts

Posted by: majorundertaking | October 3, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

> Sarah Palin is not a "season unscrupulous corrupt" politician, so of course she would not appeal to those who are.

Really? Look up Ted Stevens (you know, the Republican self-proclaimed "King of Pork" from Alaska) currently under corruption charges. She's under investigation as well from a different probe and has been since before she was nominated. But the probe is claimed to be "hopelessly partisan" because someone had the temerity to suggest that it probably wasn't a good idea for McCain to pick someone who had an ethics probe due for a report in late October.

> She is an attractive woman, so of course many of the unattractive woman will not like her.

Not being a woman, I have to say that "hotness" is not a factor I look for in a good leader. I'd rather that McCain chose one of the nine other eligible Republican women who are Senators or Governors, every one of which is more experienced than Palin. If he felt that he needed a woman as his VP to get elected, that's one thing. But why base your entire campaign on experience, then throw that out the window to select a VP whose primary qualification is that she's hotter than the other, more experienced Republican women? What's McCain running for here, American Idol?

If I were a woman, I'd want the first woman VP that was elected to be smart, poised & competent. Not some moose woman with a big rack.

(Pun very much intended, even if city folk might not get it.)

> He is not a liberal democrat who believes that the people who work for a living should have to support the slackers who don't work, so of course the slackers and the liberal dems will not like her.

Nobody here believes that. You just have to make up some ridiculously weak opponent to argue with in your head because you get trounced once you have to actually defend your ideas.

Obama is trying to improve America. McCain is more of the same. This election might as well be McCain vs. Able.

(Pun again intended. Some of us Christians haven't yet forgotten McCain blabbering on about 'agents of intolerance' before he found religion in time for the elections.)

> She believes in working for the people, not the party, and that is very confusing to most of us because we aren't accustomed to having honest politicians in our country.

Honest? Is that why she tried to sell us a Bridge to Nowhere? Is that why once they got rid of the earmark (and kept the money), she built a Road to Nowhere to a bridge that doesn't exist? Or was there a good reason for a road that dead-ends in the middle of nowhere?

But I guess it was "honest" of her to say that she wasn't going to answer that question in the debate, but would instead talk about something unrelated because she didn't have any notes on how to respond to that issue.

And then she wants the VP to have more power? After Cheney? No thanks! What's her idea of "more power", anyhow? Does Palin plan to shoot two people and beat Cheney's record?

> She appears to be a happy vibrant person and that doesn't seem to fit well with the bitter, ugly, nasty people in this country.

Is that why she spent most of the debate winking at the camera? And you know, there's plenty of reason to be upset when gas prices have doubled, the economy is crumbling, and McCain wants us to piss away a few trillion dollars in Iraq in the hopes that someday they'll eventually say "no, we don't need your money any more."

And when McCain's own idea of victory in Iraq was to have them run their own damn country, even though he has no plans for HOW to make that happen, she calls it the "white flag of surrender" if we dare to plan for Iraq to take responsibility for itself! If you want to talk about socialism, it seems that McCain thinks we should let them mooch off of the USA until whenever, while Obama has a plan to get them supporting themselves. If plans equate to "surrender" for him, it's no wonder McCain has pulled so many crazy stunts in this election. But that's the kind of "leadership" we've had for the last 8 years and I really don't want any more of it. That's why I mailed in my early ballot with a vote for Obama.

> Good Luck, Sarah ... we don't deserve you

Indeed, I should hope we haven't sinned that much!

Posted by: JakeR | October 3, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I think her winks were fine. It was about showing that she is a real person; not the usual propped up Washington politician.

She was under alot of pressure and handled herself great.

Biden said in the primary that Barack Obama doesn't have the experience to be president.

Posted by: JBfromFL | October 3, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I admit that I have sinned and I am going to hell.

Now, I know a prostitute when I see one. The wink is the first signal. What do you think I could purchase with 6 in a pack - 6-pack?

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 3, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

No doubt about it: Sarah Palin is a "serial winker of the nth degree." Now this type of winky dinky tinky activity is very similar to a medical syndrome to be known in the Journals as "rapid, uncontrollable, dysfunctional eye-lid movement syndrome." It's side effects often lead to unprotected sex...It's true! A recent scientific study found that in most Joe Six-pack bars across America, a male will finish beer #6, look across the herd of sultry, half-dressed sexy women waiting around the bar for the mating sign from him....if the sign doesn't come from Joe Six-pack, then the sexy women take control, and smile with a characteristic wink designed to cause the male to lose all inhibitions, walk over, if he still can, to talk to the flirt to determine whether the cause was just a speck of dust, or was a concerted effort to seduce and command him to respond in a way that will lead to a roll in the hay. This activity has been confirmed to work almost every weekend across America. So be very careful, and be aware that "serial winkers" have infested the bars near you, and are now trying to take over the White House....Say it isn't so!!!

Posted by: benighse | October 3, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Palin the serial winker was doing her ex-beauty queen best to dazzle with empty catch phrases and parroted rhetoric. Yeah, like -- darn right!

Biden was the thoughtful statesman whereas Palin was anything but.....

McCain really messed up choosing Palin. She's a disaster. As a Christian woman, I am appalled by her positions and her pretense at being something she is not.

Palin is a disgrace to all the women, Republicans and Democrats, who have worked hard and become respected, learned political servants.

Palin is a joke. wink, wink....

I just pray the joke is not on our nation who needs intelligent, forward-looking, thoughtful leaders.....

Posted by: abby0802 | October 3, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I was warned about this boodle (comments section for you drive-bys) but this exceeded my expectations in entertainment value. It's like watching a clown car get hit by a train full of sarin gas. It's scary and toxic but funnier that it should be.

Just 30 more days.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 3, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Broadening bases,
a careful gardener breeds
gene diversity

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Between Palin's "Joe Six-Pack" mentality and Biden's "come with me to Home Depot" comment,clear:

Palin and Biden should go get drunk and build something while McCain and Obama can address the real issues.

But, unfortunately, it isn't that easy.

McCain already has one foot in the grave and it obvious some white racist will put a bullet in Obama's head.

So, vote for the Vice-President like they will be President about a month after inauguration.

Anybody with two brain cells that can work together can tell what the choice is.

Give Palin back to Alaska where she can have local/foreign policy with Russia again and give the White House to people that actually have experience.

Posted by: WTF? | October 4, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Shiloh & DNA Girl, are you out there? I can't seem to find my way to the bunker through all of this dreck.

Posted by: jack | October 4, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Terry Anderson, an African-American talk show host in Los Angeles, provides a list of 39 things Democrat presidential hopeful Barack Obama claims are facts, but further investigation shows they are not exactly correct.

1.) Selma March Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google'Obama Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that...and for more. Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. Whe n Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_African

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office. 4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in islam''

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn except how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - & lt; FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2>NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted -&nb sp;NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rath er handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel

30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.

31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

35.) I don't Have Lobbysists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 (That's 15 Million) who don't have to buy it.

39.) My uncle liberated Auschwitz concentration camp - NOT EXACTLY, your mother had no brothers and the Russan army did the liberating.

Posted by: drillbabydrill | October 4, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

jack -- go back to the last boodle

Posted by: nellie | October 4, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

If the woman is so wise and strong why hide her away and protect her from the media? The other guy has to do it. Why the pampering if she's not just another big whining Republican baby? We know why. She must be drilled,coached and filled with talking points that address nothing and sidestep the question. Hate to break it to poor Sarah but if she can't handle the media she candle handle this world.
John Mccain has shown what little reguard and respect he has for this country by endangering it with such uncurious arrogance.

Posted by: B.Rollens | October 4, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

No construction site would suddenly decide to let hockey moms just show up and operate their heavy machinery, or airline pilots let their cousins take over their flights, or the military invite their perky neighbors to plan missions for them.
Why are the American people tolerating this insult to the country when they wouldn't tolerate it on a football field or in their own jobs?
McCain passed over a lot of good people to get someone who hasn't earned her stripes and doesn't deserve the job. It's a waste of precious time in a serious era.

Posted by: Wasting our time on this.. | October 4, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Never mind. Too much yelling and vulgarity going on here, and few hard pieces of evidence to back up the juxtaposed positions. I find this collection of posts to be evidence of my opinion that most of the electorate formulates their opinions from, at best, second hand information, rumors, lies, talk radio, and hearsay. Take your yelling and vulgarity elsewhere, or post from a more informed perspective.

Posted by: jack | October 4, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

I betcha Sarah got a cracker after last nights superb parroting performance. It takes a special pathetic ego to actually refer to yourself as a "maverick".

Posted by: BDR | October 4, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Stepford Veep! Enough with the plastic grins and the bug-eyed winks already. ugh. i thought her face was so tense, it was going to start showing cracks in the makeup. so much for woman power and feminine gravitas.

Posted by: yikes! | October 4, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Great-uncle, and it was Buchenwald. So? He was making a point about the personal impact of PTSD, not doing a genealogy quiz.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Obamas_World_War_II_history.html

And yes, Obama's father did herd goats as a boy.
"Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya, where he grew up herding goats with his own father, who was a domestic servant to the British."

His father got a scholarship to study in America, went back and became successful. That's what a college education does for a lot of people.

Just because Lincoln was born in a log cabin doesn't mean he stayed there all his life, yet the phrase marks how humble his upbringing was.

I think only people growing up in the poorest parts of America can begin to understand how poor Kenya is even for the most successful people.

I have been following the Obama campaign. I've never seen such a claim of 900 bills; that is likely from one of many chain e-mails circulating.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/substance_abuse.html

Factcheck.org isn't always perfect, but it's good.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_obama.html

Barack is actually Hebrew. Barak, lightning. Arabic is related to Hebrew, and Swahili does have Arabic influences.

That's like saying Helen isn't an English name because it's also Greek and French.

Go tally up all McCain's lies, if you can keep them straight without your head exploding.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

drillbabydrill:

It is obvious you believe most of the bs on the internet w/o doing in fact checking.

It is getting late and I'm tired, but I did you the courtesy of looking your crap up on snopes.com

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

Wilbrod, thank you for also addressing drillbabydrill's crap.

It is obvious that drillbabydrill believe the NeoCon's non-sense.

Probably also believe that if we drill now, we'll have that oil tomorrow. Too bad the amount of available oil in the US does not compare to our daily usage of the sludge. Get off the oil already. It is 2008, our nation has been dry from oil for 30 years. We should have been free from it then.

Posted by: WTF? | October 4, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

70 million tuned in to see Sarah Palin stand toe to toe with a 35 year Senator who didn't know his facts, especially about the Constitutional role of Vice President. Amazing. His assertions that Obama didn't say he would sit down with enemy leaders made Biden look ridiculous. 70 Million didn't tune in to see Biden. Imagine that.

Posted by: Sigmond | October 4, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

You have to understand that the mediocre Freds (and Wilmas) of the world have been waiting half a lifetime to have their savior Sarah representing them. People who enunciate (and pronounce) words properly are scary to them. They need a vapid Winky McKnow-nothing to take away their fears with her good old-fashioned bedtime stories. Rememeber the idiots are the ones reproducing the fastest......

Posted by: Laurie | October 4, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Wilbrod, you have been keeping up the good fight here tonight. Hope the family problem has a good resolution.

All you new visitors to this site should listen to Wilbrod - she knows whereof she speaks!

Posted by: Wheezy | October 4, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

I get so tired of these Redneck Dorks calling Obama a muslim,Try actully
reading about his life and show me proof

Posted by: steve | October 4, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

I never thought I'd see an actual Stepford Candidate, in my lifetime.
She is one scary thing.
That said, what's even more frightening, is how many millions watched her debate performance, and said *yup, she'd be a great VP.*
You betcha!
Looks like we have a partial Stepford Electorate, also, who believe they're voting for their American Idol, rather than considering the serious problems facing this Country - - two wars, a financial meltdown, two enemies on the cusp of possessing Nukes.
Yup, you betcha (wink, scrunch the nose), she'll protect our kids.

Posted by: baz | October 4, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

A pit bull is...just a pit bull.

Amazing!

Posted by: T-Prop | October 4, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Poo

Posted by: Boko | October 4, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Winkie Palin was a distraction. While we were all talking about this vapid broad's interview, Paulson and the government went and approved that $700 billion of yours and my money will go to bail out Wall Street.

The ironic thing is that while Goldman under Paulson was feeding off of and into the mortgage debacle in this way, it was feeding off of it another way.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 2:15 AM | Report abuse

Winkie Palin was a distraction. While we were all talking about this vapid broad's interview, Paulson and the government went and approved that $700 billion of yours and my money will go to bail out Wall Street.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Henry Paulson under Bush just engineered for us taxpayers to shell out $700 billion to bail out the fat cats that were Paulson's partners and colleagues when he was running Goldman Sachs. This is Socialism for the crooks that were the engineers of this country’s financial debacle. These Wall Street fat cats who were Paulson's partners and colleagues and not most taxpayers, are his real constituents (although technically he has no consitutent since he wasn’t elected; Bush appointed him.) I, for one, certainly don’t want him being in charge of $700 billion of tax payers’ money!

In a Bloomberg article by Mark Pittman 11/5/07, Goldman Sachs made $3 trillion dollars in the previous 3 years with Paulson in charge, off of subprime mortages. Investment firms gorged themselves off these bad mortages by repackaging them into securities and selling them to unsuspecting investors.

The ironic thing is that while Goldman under Paulson was feeding off of and into the mortgage debacle in this way, it was feeding off of it another way. Paulson knew the mortage market was going to crash, so he bet against the mortgages by setting up a fund called the Paulson Credit Opportunities Fund that sold insurance policies against bad debt. In 2007 the fund returned 600% or $4 billion! While this was going on Paulson was on the news networks telling everyone that the housing crisis was "contained” and that he had a lot of confidence in the mortgage market..

He helped to defeat a bill by Brad Miller and Barney Frank to make firms that package and sell subprime mortgages liable for damages if loans violate minimum standards, including ensuring a borrower's reasonable ability to repay.

He is a fat cat crook whose interests lie on Wall Street and who has been stealing your money and my money. And John McCain wants to keep him around Washington if McCain becomes president !!(Wall Street Journal, 10/4/08)

Sources:
http://realestateandhousing2.blogspot.com/2008/09/henry-paulson-fraud-or-gross-negligence.html

http://www.davemanuel.com/2008/01/15/paulson-credit-opportunities-fund-how-the-fund-had-such-an-explosive-year-in-2007/

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

We're middle class and we love Sarah Palin!
What a great job she did after only 5 weeks of preparation. Anyone who criticizes her - could you do a better job after only 5 weeks of preparation against someone who has been doing these debates for over 30 years?

Posted by: Uptodate126 | October 4, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

She keeps winking and blinking
and blinking and winking
I tell you she's driving me sane.

Posted by: CitySlicker999 | October 4, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Protester from Texas "The difference between Sarah Palin and a pit bull? The dog knows it’s not qualified to be president." Nice....

Posted by: nuttin funny | October 4, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

Ummm... What's the point of putting up this bridge if we can't snare an occasional troll?

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 2:49 AM | Report abuse

For every few dozen wild oysters that you eviscerate, there will be a couple with something resembling a pearl, and for every few dozen raw pearls, there'll be a gem.

Patience, stamina, and insensitivity to the screams, that's all it takes!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

I get so tired of these steve's who think that they know a Redneck Dork from a red-class dwarf. If you wanna talk redneck, son, bring it! I've not only et collards, I've cooked 'em, bacon grease & all! I've scraped chitterlings (yes, that's the full name!) inside & out, and then boiled them right up. And yet, I still have decided to vote for Obama, and still think that you are an inconsiderate, and possibly a bit ignorant, chatmate.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 3:02 AM | Report abuse

As Gov. Palin so eloquently put it during the VP debate on Thusday: Sen. Obama wants to “waive the white flag of defeat” in Iraq. I think most Americans, right of left of the aisle, do not want that to happen. Regardless of whether or not you supported the war at its onset, not to mention the debacle it transitioned into before Gen. Petreaus got there, we are clearly winning now. The terrorists are on the run, safety is improving, and if we don’t get it right this time, we’ll probably have to go back 10 years from now to fix it anyways. It’s like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Iraq has been doing well lately and it would be crime to let the lawlessness that has reigned for the last 3 years loose once again to ravage the country and its people.

Palin went on to point out that Obama is insistent on pursuing “dangerous” foreign policies and remains “naive” when it comes to the ways of the world. Imagine what people would say about anyone else promoting a 16 month withdraw plan for well over 18 months, and then saying that no revisions were necessary? That sounds pretty naïve to me. Obama says that we must win in Afghanistan, which to him is the central front on the War on Terror (the Generals in the military disagree), and not necessarily Iraq. I can't imagine how we could possibly win in Afghanistan if we capitulate in Iraq. That is a very dangerous thinking.

I think Palin made the decision that voters face this year very clear. Vote for a winner, or vote for a loser.

The real Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S26C-rxIVW8

Posted by: Fred D | October 4, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

Previous poster: "Obama is scary. He is a reversal of David Duke." -- wouldn't that be a good thing??? Pinhead....

Posted by: dmc | October 4, 2008 3:30 AM | Report abuse

Fred D - I thank you for offering a non-frantic/fanatic point of view. I might wish to quibble slightly with your characterization of Gov. Palin's remarks as "eloquent", but reasonable folks can probably disagree about that without hating each other. Thanks for the thoughtful input!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 3:43 AM | Report abuse

Kind of like Bill Clinton who smiled a lot, had a light attitude and would give thumbs up signs.

Posted by: Jeff | October 4, 2008 4:14 AM | Report abuse

Just like that.

**Grin**

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 4:40 AM | Report abuse

She told Charlie Gibson that she did not blink when offered the VP spot by John McCain, but gosh darn it, she'll try to wink her way into vice-presidency! Someone better give that woman some eyedrops, I think she got some dirt stuck in her eye! ;)

Posted by: Andrew | October 4, 2008 4:47 AM | Report abuse

.. well either that or she's got Tourette!

Posted by: Andrew | October 4, 2008 4:50 AM | Report abuse

I CANT WAIT TILL McCain is PRESIDENT
WHAT ARE THE HATERS GOING TO DO THEN ?????

Posted by: OWNAGE | October 3, 2008 4:49 PM

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good point OWNAGE.I was thinking about the same thing.I think they will hang themself

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I could not wait to see a US VP impersonating Tina Fey on SNL. :-) Oh, Heaven, please grant this wish for me!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 5:17 AM | Report abuse

A lifelong conservative Republican friend decided she couldn't vote for McCain after he picked Palin as his running mate. She has no love for Obama, but from her perspective at least Biden could hold down the fort if something happened to Obama. Palin can't, my friend concluded, and further concluded that McCain's picking Palin revealed a deep flaw in McCain.

I'm not a big Obama fan either. But I understand why Palin did so much better in this debate than she did in the lengthy interviews: the GOP demanded a debate structure that limited answers to 2 minutes--to sound bites she could memorize. Same Palin--just different rules.

This goes beyond all the partisan blather in this forum on both sides. And it goes beyond the lies and exaggerations both Biden and Palin deployed (you can see a comprehensive list on FactCheck.org).

Palin is not up to the job, and it should be obvious to anyone who watched both the interviews and this debate. As one commentator pointed out, she often didn't understand the question in the first place.

I'm not saying she's stupid. But at this point she's not prepared to run the United States of America. I'd say this if she were a Democrat. By age 46 she would have some grasp of world affairs and how the economy works if she had the slightest interest in these things. She just doesn't. I admire how she took on her own party's establishment in Alaska, but that's not enough.

And all the talk about how she's more prepared than Obama is just whistling past the graveyard. Go back and watch the first debate between Obama and McCain. I don't agree with him about a lot of things, but he obviously has what it takes to be president, as does Biden.

I was once a liberal Republican--yes, such people existed in large numbers back in the 50s. Now only a handful are left in the GOP, drowned out by chanting loons who are conservatives in name only. I miss the party of responsible conservative people like Eisenhower, who established the national highway system. Today's Republicans would brand him a So-shul-ist for having done so.

And now my former party gives me a VP nominee who falls short of the mark--breathtakingly so.

What has the GOP come to?

Communism is ownership of business by government. What do you call ownership of government by business? Whatever it is, that's what the GOP now stands for.

This economic fiasco isn't completely the GOP's fault--but it is mostly. I only hope the GOP will be able to reform itself so it actually represents actually conservative Americans again.

Posted by: Ehkzu | October 4, 2008 5:30 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin WINS! Oops, that was a typo, I meant Sarah Palin WINKS!

I CANT WAIT TILL Obama is PRESIDENT
WHAT ARE THE HATERS GOING TO DO THEN ?????

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 5:48 AM | Report abuse

People are actually celebrating the fact that this woman who aspires to be the ultimate leader, was, for once, able to recite what had been crammed into her head by her handlers, without falling on her face. That is 'some' standard America sets for itself, isn't it?

Posted by: thisworld | October 4, 2008 5:51 AM | Report abuse

I found it interesting (and similar to the current administration) that the Publican hoping to be next in office, Gov. Palin, starts the evening with what amounts to a signing statement.

Posted by: DAL | October 4, 2008 5:52 AM | Report abuse

The more suitable role for Sarah Palin is as a political cheerleader. The fact that she was able to twinkle and smile while talking about some very serious issues clearly indicates that she had no idea of the nature of those very issues. She might as well have said ' my mother just dropped dead' with one of those perky smiles and winks, having realised none of it's implications.

Posted by: thisworld | October 4, 2008 5:54 AM | Report abuse

USA just passed a bill to use a very large pubic fund to support the US economy.
If Obama is elected he could monitor and implement better controls then McCain who is lost in economic matters.
However, the general American public needs a common man (or woman) out there in White House to provide some comfort.
Under years of Bush we had Wall Street run wild without restrictions.
If this Republican ticket wins then America can kiss that large public fund and probably a lot more funds and all goodbye.

This winker woman is the best candidate for Alaska and probably for any third world election . But definitely NOT for USA.

Posted by: Velshan | October 4, 2008 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Read this NYT article almost 9 years ago to understand who just had started this mess of the current financial crisis. Enough said.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260

Posted by: Bill Clinton | October 4, 2008 6:13 AM | Report abuse

For the last 8 years we've had as our president, George W Bush, a former coke snorting alcoholic, who managed to receive degrees from Yale and Harvard (business school) with not flying colors, but the most mediocre of results (pathetic given that he's a new england WASP who attended private schools from day one -- what a shame he is to his father, who at least could articulate himself well on the world stage)

Prior to that, for 8 years we had as our president, Bill Clinton, Rhodes scholar, brilliant speaker, and charasmatic (although prone to the odd affair ;--)), a president who took Bush senior's defecit and turned it into a record surplus.

Now, in 2008 we'll be electing our next president in probably the most crucial election of our respective lifetimes (economy could be on the verge of a total collapse; we're still engaged in 2 foreign wars; new supreme court justices will be named between 2008 and 2012). The overwhelming question is, what is our ideal leader?

On the one hand we have Obama, clearly brilliant, articulate, and charasmatic a la Bill Clinton; on the other, we have McCain, battle tested, tough, stern, straight talkin', etc.

There's a divide in the voting popuation. One side generally prefers a statesman, a leader who shines on the world stage and instills confidence in his people (charisma is a magnet, people aspire to the qualities of their leader); the other side, generally prefers a leader that speaks plainly like an every day Joe, but exerts a toughness, a take-no-sh** from anyone attitude.

Based on the past 8 years, and the 8 years prior to that, I for one, without any reservation whatsoever, will choose the Statesman, Obama, vs. the military-minded McCain.

There's too much at stake. America at home and abroad is in very bad shape. We are the laughing stock of the world with Bush in power. Do the leaders of England, France, Germany, Japan, Russia, or any influential nation for that matter, stumble over their words, de-regulate the economy to the point of breaking it; then, in a socialist moment, call for 700 billion dollars to cleanup the mess; thus putting creating a record deficit?

This is the United States of America, the icon of the free world. Bumbling idiots have no place in the white house, much less town hall.

Our founding fathers would be utterly dismayed at the idiocy-as-ideal that appeals to a segment of our voting population.

In conclusion, this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ycdgJoN5H8

Posted by: Our Ideal Leader... | October 4, 2008 6:30 AM | Report abuse

Time to roll out the sleeping trolls, see if there are any new friends we want to invite back next week and tidy up the place.

"Honest officer, I don't know how it got out of hand. A bunch of rowdies without invitations showed up and crashed the place. And I have no idea how those fliers got stapled up all over town..."

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2008 6:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad a record 70 million watched that illiterate retard Palin. The more people see of her the less they like her. BTW I think the "winking" was probably just a reflex from the discomfort of wearing the earpiece her pimp handlers made her wear. Joe Biden was all class and grace in comparison.

In any case the debates are just a sideshow as "it's the economy stupid". The recession and meltdown the repugs have brought us will bring them close to annihilation. They will be lucky to even carry Alaska and Arizona at the rate they are going.

The repugs will join the unemployment line. Maybe then they will finally get to know what is happening in the real America where people are losing their houses and don't have 12 extra ones to fall back on like McGoo.

Posted by: mark | October 4, 2008 6:41 AM | Report abuse

Obama is not even qualified to be vice president because he does not have more experience than Palin. For some reason the media does not want to talk about it, this will haunt Americans if Obama-Biden wins in November.

Posted by: serious voter | October 4, 2008 6:51 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. The boss will be proud; 600 comments and we are still on kit, so to speak.

Posted by: shrieking denizen | October 4, 2008 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Good morning , Boodle.

Wow, what an invasion while I was BPHing.

I received this last night:
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year old Texas rancher whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Sarah Palin and her bid to be a heartbeat away from being President .

The old rancher said, 'Well, ya know, Palin is a post turtle.'

Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a post turtle was.

The old rancher said, 'When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle.'

The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to explain. 'You know she didn't get up there by herself, she doesn't belong up there, she doesn't know what to do while she is up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb a$$ put her up there to begin with.

Posted by: Brag | October 4, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

With all the comments impossible to back Boodle.

For the info of all non-regular comentators and lurkers:

Brag (Alexey Braguine) is the author of Kingmaker. (quick, order the books before it sells out).

No, he's not writing Queenmaker.

Posted by: Brag | October 4, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

If Obama wins, he won't protect the American interest because he is a black Muslim. What does that tell you? You figure it out for me!

Posted by: serious voter | October 4, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Picking Biden to be vice president, Democrats knew that Obama does not have enough experience, they hope Biden's experience will subtitute for that. Vice president won't help president unless he dies or steps down. You can keep dreaming but this will never happen!

Posted by: careful | October 4, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Had a great time at the BPH last night and enjoyed meeting more Boodlers.

Surprised to see racists and wild-clueless ranters here. I wonder if Troll been recomending our mature discussion to his bare-a$$ed buddies.

Posted by: Brag | October 4, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I guess none of the Biden folks want to dispute that Biden is a bozo who doesn't know the powers of the office he seeks.

Posted by: Jim Ostrowski | October 4, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Gov. Paylin bought votes and signed contrat for Canadian company (not country first):

Alaska Legislature passes $1,200 energy rebate
Steve Quinn/The Associated Press

Originally published Thursday, August 7, 2008 at 9:06 p.m.
Updated Thursday, August 7, 2008 at 11:25 p.m.


By STEVE QUINN

Associated Press Writer

JUNEAU — Most Alaskans are $1,200 richer.

That’s because the Alaska Legislature backed Gov. Sarah Palin’s call for an energy assistance package in a special session that ended just hours before its 11:59 p.m. Thursday deadline.

An energy bill and an accompanying appropriations bill are worth close to $1 billion. Both await Palin’s signature. The Legislature also supported Palin’s suspension of the state’s 8 cent a gallon fuel sales tax. In a statement, Palin praised lawmakers for 60 days of special session work that also featured the approval of a license to a Canadian company to pursue a natural gas pipeline project. http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/aug/07/alaska-legislature-passes-1200-energy-re
bate/

Posted by: theodosia1 | October 4, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I zapped a few but the software is so dang slow... I need a better zapper.

Posted by: Achenbach | October 4, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Somebody please tell me where the communist Muslim talking point is coming from. Because if that is all they got left, McCain should just fold the tent and collect his three pensions.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

I have a big jar of kimchi, and this time I have decided to pour the juice into my bowl, and jullienne the actual kimchi into shreds and then put into the bowl.

Posted by: Jumper | October 4, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Any who votes for this woman has irrational hatred for the Democratic party, plain and simple. Check it dude.

Posted by: Come-on | October 4, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

For years, I have been saying that the Republicans will say things they have no intention of doing, like health care reform. I would always say that Republican candidates would be figuratively winking (not really winking) at big corporate america, like health insurance companies, to send a secret implicit message that we don't have any intention of changing anything! Well I now see that the wink is no longer a secret signal. The wink is now front and center! The wink says to me, don't listen to what I am saying, when I get in, I'll do what every republican has done before!!! Just so you know, I am not a republican or a democratic. Actually, I am disgusted by both parties and continue to be so!

Posted by: Twinkle Winkle | October 4, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

That sounds real good, jumper. I used to have access to kim chee at the local H-T. The Bi-Lo we currently patronize only has heads of cabbage. How about trying to get together for a cool beverage sometime soon? I ought to be up your way to see my bro in a couple of weeks.

Posted by: jack | October 4, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

For any regular Boodlers wondering where we are, look in the past.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 4, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

It was like watching a washed up actress hustle for tips while pouring coffee at Denny's.

I'll give her an extra buch or two for being nice...

But I hardly think that is an acceptable way for a Vice President (or, heaven forbid, a President) to act. Any world leader or diplomatic is either going to A) see through her act, or B) think she is a total dunce.

Posted by: Blip | October 4, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

McCain isn't going to let up.

He has decided to spend 100% of his advertising budget on character attack ads against Obama. His people are saying that we have "turned the page" on the economy, and now we need to get to the real issues this campaign: Hating Obama.

McCain is going to lose. People already think he is an ill-mannered liar. He's going to firm that impression up in the minds of Moderate Dems and Indies.

Whoever is running McCain's campaign ought to be canned.

Posted by: BLip | October 4, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Good grief,
what kind of comments are these? Marxist, Communist Socialist? Do you folks actually know what those things are? At least you spelled them correctly. I had to laugh at most of the comments here - sounded more like comments from 3rd graders, or actually the rabid fundamentalist boards int he middle east; indoctrinated folks that don't know how to think. If America is populated by people like that, the terrorists have already won (and how do we get rid of you all).

Posted by: Ex-Pat | October 4, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I have a great title for a new Disney Movie. "Elly May Clampett goes to Washington" starting Tina Fey of course.

I loved it when McCain said he felt sorry for Biden. Biden did have a difficult part to play. It must have been hard not to break down laughing at some time. The whole thing reminded me a bit of George Burns trying to "debate" Gracie Allen. It is always more difficult for the "straight man".


Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch | October 4, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Gwen Ifill did a horrendous job of moderating the Vice Presidential debate. Does she get a free pass because she is black? or a woman? Where do I begin? She could hardly get the questions out of her mouth. She stumbled on almost every word and every line she said. It was so bad that it was actually hard to watch. Then she let Governor Palin ramble on about things that had nothing to do with the questions being asks. I can only assume that Ifill was so poorly informed herself that she didn't realize that Palin wasn't answering the questions. Not once did she say anything like "with all due respect Gov. Palin you didn't answer the question". I felt for Ms. Ifill for whatever speech problem that she has, but I kept thinking how did anyone give her this job?

I kept thinking of that old Lloyd Bentson's line to Dan Quayle ("Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator you're no Jack Kennedy") but in a different context. As in Ms. Ifill, I watched Katie Couric, I actually heard her pronounce complete understandable sentences, I saw that she had a strong grasp of the facts, I saw her politely re-ask questions when she didn't get an answer, Ms. Ifill you're no Katie Couric!

Posted by: RW | October 4, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

It is well known in eastern liberal elite circles than Gwen Ifill is a white Muslim pair of male Siamese twins who keeps his job only because he's willing to appear in blackface in order to fill the network's minority quota. All of you silly rubes who keep calling him "her" should read "The New Yorker" more often!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Obama and the Weathermen (Ayers), Acorn (voter registration fraud), Rev Wright and the ever (hollywood history of Un American activities;) Is there a trend here???

The Democrats, playing the race card bought into a major issue.When is this country going to figure it out??

Posted by: Electavet | October 4, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Why won't Palin sit down and do some Sunday morning talk shows? You know, the ones you can't prep for 3 days and wink your way thru it? Folksy not gonna cut it Barbie, do an interview without your index cards.

Posted by: Joe | October 4, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Bob !!
Borrow my towel?

Posted by: Boko | October 4, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm constantly astounded by the out-of-touch "Main Street" denizens who have apparently never bothered to apply for their own race credit card. Why, I earned two bonus dollars just for my Gwen Ifill "blackface" comment! Of COURSE the Obamians play the race card, only a clueless blancophile chucklehead would leave that kind of money on the table

(Ooops, that's another three dollars!)

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Boko - Thanks! (Whew)

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"Why won't Palin sit down and do some Sunday morning talk shows? You know, the ones you can't prep for 3 days and wink your way thru it? Folksy not gonna cut it Barbie, do an interview without your index cards."

I think that's pretty obvious. She flubbed even softball questions from Couric. If she ever does do a morning show I predict it will be on Fox. I like to imagine her being interviewed by the late and much lammented Tim Russert. That would have been something to see. I don't think she could wink her way out of that one.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch | October 4, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"Princess Palin". Sounds good, ya?

Posted by: scotty | October 4, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Contumious Muslim farbaggers have no place in the white America of northern strapaciousness. All female magsters unite, and send six-pakjoe a yuntarian accomplishment!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I'm kind of proud of that last one. I'm sorry I wasted it here. It would have gone over well in some of the other comment sections. I may have to try to hone my technique.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Shilo will be pleased. There're no inane, fawning comments here.
They're hipporhinocedogging insane.

Poor Joel, the only way he would know to zapp some comments is if he read them all.
ALL! On a weekend! Ouch.

I suggest a new kit on the importance of 18th and 19th century canal constuction to North American political/economic development.
I'd hate to wade through sewage to get my links to photos of the BPHses.

Posted by: Boko | October 4, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Sarah got her friend the witch doctor to bless her again so she wouldn't flop in the debate.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch | October 4, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Bob S., Boko, we're hunkering in the "old" bunker.
Make sure you stay in the decon room for at least 5 mins, with settings at full blast, before entering. Leave the towel outside. It can survive anything.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 4, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Palin is serious a ditz people. I'm not one to say this about others but she is a ditz. She seemed to not answer a single question. Watch the debate over....I'm amazed that a VP candidate could be so not knowledgeable. Scary. I know more about the government than her. I think she should go back to school for a bit and then come back...like after she finishes Junior High and High school. McCain is a fool for even selecting her. Republicans must stand up to this a demand a better candidate!!

Posted by: Jan | October 4, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

There will always be those who choose to view the world from their back sides;
the truth is too painful for them to view reality head on...
Such is the case with those whose only lifeline to their bitter hatred of Obama, is to insist that he is a Muslim...
They would also insist that Jesus Christ is a muslim, if he should dare cross the grain of their mindless brains.
If only they knew that he already has...

Posted by: SOS | October 4, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The Democratic presidential campaign started out as with the platform of general populism (embrace all Americans regardless of races, sexes, religious, etc) but since then have change to a racial overtone with the reject of Hillary as the front cadidate twice (as a presidency and vice presidency candidate). The attempt of Obama to choose Joe Biden is just to soothing the liberals into not question his true intention has not been working. This racial issue will dictate the outcome of this election, win or lose, the backlash against black in politic at all level locals, states, and national will be tremendous. Here is the strategy of the GOP offensive, by focus on women rights issues (equal pays, balance between works and family, preserves family values) for which Sarah Palin role is fit naturally, then up to half of the votes are up for grasp. Isn't it the main reason why McCain have chosen her for the task? Liberals pundits have been too hastily written off McCain/Palin campaign, we shall see what will coming in the next 30 days.

Posted by: patriot | October 4, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

If Obama wins, he won't protect the American interest because he is a black Muslim. What does that tell you? You figure it out for me!
Posted by: serious voter | October 4, 2008 7:14 AM
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Oh serious voter: May the Lord show you the color of you wretched gangrenous soul...
You are your own worst enemy, and really someone needs to protect your family, your neighborhood, your country, and quite frankly the world from the projectile guile that you spew... Look how it is killing you! Aren't you concerned that your sore is spreading?

Posted by: SOS | October 4, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

have been too hastily written off McCain/Palin campaign, we shall see what will coming in the next 30 days.

Posted by: patriot | October 4, 2008 11:10 AM
__________________________

Just be sure you are ready for the next 30 days, Patriot...
You many not be able to sneer and jeer for very much longer... No matter who is elected.

Posted by: SOS | October 4, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Poor Palin. She says Nuke You Lar.

Obama, Mass A Two Sits.

JFK, Cuber.

Guess only Dems are perfect.

Just ask one.

John Kerry, 2.76 GPA. George Bush, 2.77.

Doggonit. Those facts again.

Like Raines, the Bush Minority Home Ownership Program applauded by Dems, Biden's wealth and lobbyist/hedge fund kids, and Obama's sweetheart jobs for Michelle and Axelrod, the Stuy High Guy.

Inconvenient Truths.

Yeah. They're for the Little Guy.

Posted by: Troll | October 4, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

What is important is what Sarah Palin informed the American viewers by repeating Obama statements. Those HIDDEN from the media to protect him.
He said about OUR troops that they
"ARE RAIDING VILLAGES AND KILLING CIVILIANS."

This is what you would expect from the ENEMY or a TRAITOR of this country, NOT the man that wants to be the Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces! It PROVES he is not fit to lead! He insulted this country and our military, and above all those men and women that gave their lives fighting for this country! HE IS NOT FIT TO LEAD! HE IS NOT FIT TO BE COMMANDER AND CHIEF! He has PROVEN this.
He should step down, but he won't. He only cares about being President. Nothing else!
AMERICA, TELL HIM NO!
WE LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND OUR MILITARY! THIS TRAITOR IS NOT FIT TO LEAD!
TELL HIM NO ON NOVEMBER 4th!

Posted by: Democrat now Independent | October 4, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Sock Puppets! Gotta' love um.

Posted by: Dolphin Michael | October 4, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I thought that the following was an interesting remark & reply during Sally Jenkins' discussion on Thursday about her Palin article:
- - -
Philadelphia, PA: Thanks for the article. I can relate to Palin's championship experience as being a confidence builder to last a lifetime.

Don't know how tonight or the rest of the election will turn out, but it makes me almost sad (as an Obama supporter) that she's been pulled into this. She seems like she may have some real talent, which could have been nurtured, proven and honed off the national stage, and been interesting to watch 4 or 8 years from now.

Too bad...

Sally Jenkins: You know, this is potentially a really important point. Forgive the sports comparison, but Palin reminds me of a really great but still raw athlete.

Link to discussion: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/10/02/DI2008100201650.html

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

D. Mike - check the last 'boodle. Wipe your shoes!

Posted by: A friend | October 4, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

WE LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND OUR MILITARY! THIS TRAITOR IS NOT FIT TO LEAD!
TELL HIM NO ON NOVEMBER 4th!
Posted by: Democrat now Independent | October 4, 2008 11:34 AM
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You were a democrat, and now simply because "Obama" is running you have switched your alligience...Seems that you are the TRAITOR and not fit to comment!

Posted by: SOS | October 4, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Palin is an empty shell, an act.

Avoiding questions she didn't have a rehearsed answer to is not really debating. It is cheating. It is not taking the debate seriously, and that is an insult to Americans who were listening to some substance instead of a gimmicky winking and smirking comedy act.

Posted by: Betty | October 4, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Grind up USA sell for scrap metal. To SSauidi Arabai. Make suvrentys joke. Kills they sruck markets. Makes Wichcraft God. Put erection machines for Republican. Stop sciences. All this Republicans. They fight and kill and revenge. They Moolahs take over theyr own telly. Stop!

Posted by: Repmuji | October 4, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a liar, and that is sad but true.

She lied while grinning.

She lied on things that are WIDELY KNOWN to be lies, during a debate that millions watched:
1. That Obama would raise taxes on folks making $47,000. FALSE. He will only raise taxes on people making more than $250,000. He give give larger tax breaks to those making $47,000 than McCain will.

2. That millions of business owners will have their taxes raised. FALSE. Only a small percentage of bus owners make more than $250K.

3. Alaska has a running oil pipeline. FALSE. Construction's going on but no oil will flow in these pipes for 10 years.

A lot of other lies too, including the way she spun what Obama said about Iraq.

She's a spinning liar. What kind of "public servant" would that make? She has no business. Get out.

Posted by: Church | October 4, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Palin's crimes against Alaska will begin to air on Oct 10th.

If she loses the VP job, she will be impeached in Alaska for her use of Yahoo to avoid the Freedom of information act, and for failing to provide appropriate backup disks for her SUPERVISED people's data on Yahoo.

Posted by: Bruce | October 4, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Repugnicrats are all smeared with different shades of poo! Vote Cynthia McKinney - She don't take no crap from de man!

Go Green!

http://votetruth08.com/

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

HARPER VALLEY PTA, with the tight skirt & the winks (hey, guys!)

Rootin tootin you betcha, just like Donald Rumsfeld would say while he's pulling the wool over your eyes.

The "can I call you Joe?" was a set up for the "say it ain't so Joe".
Very scripted, very connived. She crammed all week for this "debate"; Perhaps she should get an Oscar?.

She's as much a Washington insider as any of them.

Posted by: PM | October 4, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Palin the real empty suit. Limited understanding of any topic, only ambition. Go back to Alaska. Scary stupid.

Posted by: Hoffmann | October 4, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Yo yo yo! Barry fans in da house! Wassup my naggers? KFC fo all y'all!

Posted by: Michelle Obama | October 3, 2008 5:06 PM

To this poster: You are bigoted idiot. Just the idiot type who got George Bush into office.May God return to you what you put out. May you run into a cold hearted person like yourself in your time of need.

To all you Republicans : I cannot wait until GOD leaves you on the earth you destroyed with all the riches you've accumulated, and see if Gold, Silver, Money and Oil can save you.

(Most Republicans = God spouting but not God fearing, racist, classist, blood money heirs, intent on doing anything or anyone to preserve the wealth of themselves and their kind, the other 20% are the misguided idiots who obviously put more merit into what they hear than what they see, believe your grandma- Actions speak louder than words)

Posted by: smarterthanyou | October 4, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Ya She's Hot...

Posted by: tito | October 4, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Any chance you could share the research on those stats, SmrtrthnU? Don't be a stingy Repukelican, now.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse


smarterthanyou:
"You are bigoted idiot."

Gallup a few days ago:
White - Obama 37% McCain 52%
Black - Obama 93% McCain 2%

Bigot's are as bigots do.


Posted by: Jack The Ripper | October 4, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

When they research the history of Sarah as McCain's running mate in '08, I hope they examine these comments.

There a lot commentary for Palintologists to sift through and scoop out, that's for sure.

bc

Posted by: bc | October 4, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Da "Maverick who Votes 95% with Bush last 8 Years, and "Stands up for U. S. Soldiers by Shafting them"?

September 2007: McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments. At the time, nearly 65% of people polled in a CNN poll indicted that "things are going either moderately badly or very badly in Iraq.

May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.

April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.

March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.

A Military Hero, or McBush with 95% Bush Vote in Congress?
McCain "Supports Bush/Cheney Iraq War of Choice and Continued Oil Occupation... For Next 100 Years if Needed For Victory"!

McCain Does Not Care About American Soldiers and Their Families!

McCain ONLY CARES ABOUT HIMSELF!

Posted by: Paul Revere | October 4, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The founding fathers must be turning in theirs graves over the trivializtion of the vice presidency. Wrinkled noses indeed.

Posted by: Charles | October 4, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Nobody seems to mind that we are all subjected to a President and now a VP candidate who can not pronounce even the simplest of words:

Iraq and Iran/Iranians

Nuclear

The word "clear" has but one syllable, and is not pronounced "qu~ler", anywhere I ever see it...
Bush pronounces it "nu~qu~ler", and Palin pronounces it a totally new way, adding a third syllable:
nu~qu~lee~er, the lear syllable, like "Lear Jet".... Remember, "clear"?? To her, it's now "qu~lee~er", instead...

Palin insists on "EYE~RACK" and "EYE~RAN"; "Iranian" must be "EYE~RAIN~EE~AN", but few people pronounce these words without the "R" being intoned within the first syllable, as in "IR~RON", or "IR~ROCK", and "IR~RON~EE~AN".... But "NU~QU~LEE~ER" is a brand new one for me....

Anyone else bothered by these incorrect pronunciations of these rather basic words by people in high places??

Posted by: Mike in Carlsbad | October 4, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Those foundling fathers must have been real b@st@rds.
All dem rules!

Posted by: RealPatriot ® | October 4, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I thought they should have ask the question? Exactly where do you think Russia is? I notice Palin dodged alot of questions and repeated herself a few times.

Posted by: 1 | October 4, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

That Palin is vomit with feet is blatantly obvious to anyone with the mind and experience of a 4th grader and beyond. Thus those who view her as valid and valuable are simply cut from the same cloth. Not a shred of intellectual honesty. McCain's only legacy to American politics is bringing us a waking nightmare.

And I was actually going to vote for this idiot because I think Obama is a looser; but now Palin's white trash mentality and power hungry demeanor means I cannot vote for McCain or anything that even remotely smacks of Republican evil.

Posted by: Disgusted123 | October 4, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Thats folksy twang may work in Alaska,but I cant imagine her talking to China or Russia and saying:well come on over for a 6 pack and some chicken wings and we will jaw about the nukes..

Posted by: 1 | October 4, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

As designated by the Constitution of the United States, the vice president also serves as the President of the Senate, and may break tie votes in that chamber.

Note: President of the Senate!

Posted by: mili | October 4, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

To be honest, I thought Biden did a better job in the debate; of course, I was looking for informed discussion on issues. He definitely came off as a better leader, and the polling among independents seems to reflect that (I have yet to see a poll of independents where Biden didn't win by a healthy margin).

In all fairness to Palin, I am impressed that she has come as far as she has in such a short amount of time. But she just wasn't ready for this; if the Republicans had let her mature up in Alaska for a few more years she would have been a prime candidate down the line. I think the shine is being taken off the apple, and she may no longer be viable on the national stage. But she accomplished what she needed to do at the debate: she kept the people who were voting Republican anyway from jumping ship, without scaring off independents.

I sincerely doubt the McCain ticket wins in November, especially if the economy doesn't drastically improve. At this point I think they would be better off giving up on trying to win, and start advertising in places where they can help Republicans down the ballot. If Obama wins and the Democrats dominate down the ballot, it could take the Republicans decades to recover.

Posted by: Laughing | October 4, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I also find it hard to keep talking about her experiance as Gov. of Alaska when the entire state only has a population of around 700,000 people.She also said she started a trust for her state.Geez,I guess so after getting the money from all of us tax payers for the bridge to no-where,then cancelling it,she kept the money!

Posted by: 1 | October 4, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I think English teachers must be pulling their hair out across the country. Palin is a perfect example of a student who "slid" through the educational system without consequence. Now we are the ones who must endure entraining this candidate - a candidate who is unqualified to speak or think on her own. Sarah Palin should never should have been given a passing grade in the first place.

Posted by: Andrea | October 4, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Credit where credit is due:

Disgusted123, you're my new hero. "Vomit with feet" is superb!

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

You have to love old anonomous: who states
'
Dont forget the main thing-Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.do we need a muslim communist in our WH?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:35 PM

Looks to me that after 8 years of fascist Christians could we do worse ?

Posted by: Alex P | October 4, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Not an unreasonable question, Alex. It would certainly take some effort, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Geez people,you have to quit believing all that conservative propaganda.Obama's not a muslim,just like economy is not fundementally sound right now either..

Posted by: 1 | October 4, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain paid poster sez
Dont forget the main thing-Obama is the muslim communist

And McCain is the POW who committed treason while in POW camp. We have the film to prove it. He escaped the firing squad because his dad was a big shot.

Back to the muslim lies. When Obama can say, I am a born again Christian, all fundamentalist Christians approve. McCain never acknowledges that he accepted Jesus as his Savior.

Obama says, I AM MY BROTHER's KEEPER. That's Christian liberal talk. It means, I will protect the elderly and the very young. McCain wont do either.

Obama's tax plan has a NO TAX provision for people on social security making under $50K.
Obama's education and health care plans assure the young a healthy start in life and a good education.
And PS. there are millions of Muslims in the USA and they are good citizens too.

The main thing is, the socialists on are Wall Street, getting a billion dollar bailout.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain lives in a dream world,why wouldnt he?His wife is worth over 100 million,he has houses he didnt even know he owned,she wears dresses worth $300,000. so to him his economy is doing great!!what an outta touch moron.

Posted by: 1 | October 4, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Please stop using polling numbers of blacks and whites to make some convoluted point about racism. Blacks aren't voting for Obama because they hate whites, they are voting for Obama because they like him and he is their first chance ever to vote for a black president. That isn't racism, just as it wouldn't be racism if McCain were winning 95% of the white vote as the first white candidate. To imply otherwise is moronic.

On the other hand, I personally know several white people (family and friends) who are voting McCain not because they like him, but because the dislike Obama's race. That is the contrast. But in all fairness, I think most bigots were voting Republican by now anyway (Republicans proudly took the mantle of the bigoted party from the democrats in the 70's).

Realistically though, race isn't going to decide this election. There aren't enough blacks in the battleground states to make a difference, and what populations there are just about cancel out the bigoted portion of whites. This election hinges on the economy, and that spells bad news for McCain.

Posted by: Laughing | October 4, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's 'Shining house on a hill.'
http://www.motormint.com/ProductImages/fullsize/TRAILER.jpg
I hope it's well blocked. Wouldn't want it rolling down.

Posted by: RealPatriot® | October 4, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

correcting typos
McCain paid poster sez
"Dont forget the main thing-Obama is the muslim communist"
Oh yes, forget it because it is a lie.

PS. McCain is the POW who committed treason while in POW camp. He made a propaganda film for the enemy.
He escaped the firing squad because his dad was an admiral.

Obama can say, I am a born again Christian, and all fundamentalist Christians approve. McCain never acknowledges that he accepted Jesus as his Savior.

Obama says, I AM MY BROTHER's KEEPER. That's Christian liberal talk. It means, I will protect the elderly and the very young. McCain wont do either.

Obama's tax plan has a NO TAX provision for people on social security making under $50K.
Obama's education and health care plans assure the young a healthy start in life and a good education.
And PS. there are millions of Muslims in the USA and they are good citizens too.

McCain poster, The main thing about your post is, the socialists are on Wall Street, getting a billion dollar bailout.


Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I dont care what color you are,if you cant see the shape our country is in then your totally blind.McCain says he's a maverick,Ha ha,,he's running on the Republican ticket,that makes him a republican, and I say a hammer is a hammer,it doesnt matter which one you hit your finger with,its gonna hurt,same way a republican is a republican,its gonna hurt if we get another 4 yrs of all the crap!

Posted by: 1 | October 4, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

40% of 2004's registered voters did not vote in 2004.

That's why Karl Rove was going on and on on the radio on Friday saying for the GOP not to be depressed that McCain gave up in Michigan.

Really, even Barr could win, if everyone registered shows up.

But statistics being the interesting indicators that they are, based on the current mood, Obama is winning. That's an active tense.

The election has begun and Obama is winning, so far.

We shall see, wont we!!

Posted by: Bruce | October 4, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/08/02/mccain-anthrax-and- iraq.aspx

This link shows McCain committing a crime against the USA, for which he should do jail time. If Bush doesnt pardon him, that is.

Check out McCain, the liar, doing FALSE propaganda to lead the USA to war against IRAQ. That's a crime, you know.


Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

McCain said when he made the comment that our economy was fundementally sound he was talking about we have the best workers in the world,well thats true but they have to have jobs to prove that,and has anyone checked the unemployment lately?whats the use in having the best workers if they are out of work?

Posted by: 1 | October 4, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are counting on the vast majority of the Stupid, Mentally Challenged, Book Burning, Religious Zealots and every other whack out there to vote for them, With the Republicans running the show there would be no moor middle class only slums of the poor and the Disgustingly rich, Every woman would be required to be Barefoot and pregnant and only Fat old Republican white men would be aloud to vote They Believe in a ONE party system "There's". If McSame/McPalin win I hope all you repugs loose your jobs and your houses. Better buy some good shoes. You will need them to stand in soup Kitchen lines when you have no money for food. But take hart when its cold you can burn books to keep warm and know in your heart you voted the "RIGHT" way.

Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: american pie | October 4, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Parts of the declassified translations remain blacked out, suggesting John McCain divulged sensitive information to the Communists that, 40 years later, the US Government still doesn’t want us to know about.
Read propaganda that John McCain a member of the United States Armed Forces gave to the enemy:

.Cuban Radio 11/9/1967:
“There is not any doubt for me; things are taking place in a favorable way for North Vietnam. In particular, before world opinion at present, the United States is standing alone.”

“My assignment to the Oriskany, I told myself, was due to serious losses in pilots which were sustained by this aircraft carrier due to its raids over North Vietnam territory –VNA) and which necessitated replacements. From 10 to 12 pilots were transferred like me from the Forrestal to the Oriskany. Before I was shot down we had made several sorties. Altogether I made about 23 flights over North Vietnam.”

[About the mission he was captured on:] “The briefing was held in the morning. That’s right. I remember that it was in the morning that they told me the situation and the plan of the raid, which should take place about noon. A reconnaissance officer explained this plan to me. They showed me photographs of my target and marked out the paths to be followed by the Oriskany at this point. They pointed out to me a number of antiaircraft positions near Hanoi and a number of possible rocket positions, the position of our rescue ships, the radio frequency, the composition of the flight, and so forth. Upon arrival near the target, our formation order: I would be number three, and the chief of the formation, number one. Each pilot would have to approach the target from a different direction. The choice of which would be left to [unclear].

“While moving toward the target, we stumbled over a very dense network of fire, a very powerful riposte. A few rockets were seen. Our chief turned to approach the target and I followed him at a distance. At the time when I was preparing to drop my bombs — I did not know whether I could drop them because things were happening too fast — I heard a terrible explosion which shook my plane and sent it toward the group. It was hit so violently that I was thrown on my back and went straight toward the ground in this posture. I tried to pull the direction-stick ??? …

??? … Naturally I felt buffetting because my bailing out was made at the time when the plane was falling too fast. When the parachute opened I looked down and found out that I was going to fall into a lake. I was really lucky to be able to fall into a lake. All around me bombs were exploding while rockets and antiaircraft shells were streaking through the sky. I hit the lake and went to the bottom. While trying to return to the surface, I was seized by Vietnamese and pushed to the bank of the lake. They disarmed me and brought me to prison.”
(What do you think of Hanoi’s Fire Barrage?)

“Very intense, very accurate. When a fire barrage is so accurate, one has to reckon with it. You are excellent artillerymen. Naturally, I have never seen such a fire network because it was the first time that I flew over Hanoi.”
(Were all the pilots who had flown over Hanoi afraid of the Firepower from the ground?)

“Yes, Certainly! How lucky are those who do not have to come often to the Hanoi sector. Very dangerous! Because they could very well be shot down, hit, something that no one wants! When I arrived near my target I saw two rockets streaking by my side, and it was terrible to see. They flew very fast, very strongly.

“For me, there is no longer any doubt. Things are taking place in a favorable opinion. The United States at present seems to be standing alone, so much is its isolation.”

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

There shouldnt be any more investigations on anything until after the election,otherwise Bush will indeed pardon anyone found guilty of anything.But after the election there should be alot to investigate!To numerous to mention on a blog!

Posted by: 1 | October 4, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The Palin Wink? What about the Obama Fist bump? with the wife all the time. I thought he was trying to be the President of the United States, not the NBA.

Posted by: Rod | October 4, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

After this awful Republican ticket is soundly defeated next month, Sarah Palin will return to Alaska to serve out her one and only term as Governor.

She'll never run for office again. But we'll see plenty of her on her syndicated TV show, which is a perfect match for her skill set.

Everybody wins. Sarah Palin gets paid to be Sarah Palin, and the rest of the country avoids 4 more years of bellicosity and ignorance in the White House.

Bet on Tina Fey being one of the first guests on "Gotcha! with Sarah Palin".

Posted by: Joe | October 4, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Wink, wink! Just waiting for the rest of the Monty Python skit... Nudge,nudge!!

Posted by: rayjay | October 4, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

american pie - Middle-class moors? Next you'll be telling me about the fairly-successful Phoenicians in our midst.

Posted by: Bob S. | October 4, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

To all a reminder and a question. Ronald Reagan to Jimmy Carter (1979 debate): "Are You Better Off Than You Were Four Years Ago?"

I would add "... or Eight Years Ago?"

It looks like the shoe is on the other foot now.

Posted by: Sam Winston | October 4, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I think Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air. She makes me smile when I look at her. Obama bores me because all he can do is ride on the coat tails of the last 8 years but everyone seems to forget the Democrats had their hands in the mess to. I would also like to point out that California being the most Liberal state in the Nation seems to have gotten themselves in a bit of a mess. What does that say about the almighty and wise Liberals.

Posted by: Sandy | October 4, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Orbiter Dictum - It seems to bother you when a person is actually friendly, it's sad when you despise someone who actually knows how to be friendly and connect, unlike Robama.

Posted by: Sandy | October 4, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Well Sandy, what it CLEARLY says about the "almighty and wise" liberals is, well..
we had it right all along-on the economy, on the wrong war, on Bush's competency, on Cheney's greed and arrogance, on Harriet Meiers, on Alberto Gonzales, on Donald Rumsfeld, on Katrina response, on torture, on armor for our soldiers, on responsible spending, on adequate regulation....

And you folks still in denial about what has actually happened to you in the last 8 years can ride on our coattails to recovery, because a high tide raises all boats, even yours.

Want more?

Posted by: Joe | October 4, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

JOE - One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country. WANT MORE!

Posted by: Sandy | October 4, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Good golly gosh darn - While the Boodlers were porching, the Boodle was boarded by pirates. I guess it was bound to happen, after the post last week about how civil everyone has been here. I hope they find another blog soon; this is where I come for good sense, good humor and good grammar. Good grief!

Posted by: Jane B | October 4, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Now now Sandy, use your indoor voice. You wouldn't want folk to think you're unfriendly, would you?

Posted by: RealPatriot ® | October 4, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Joel. The 5:38 PM comment needs a bit of zapping.

Posted by: Boko | October 4, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Sandy

Let's be clear about this:

This fiscal mess is a direct product of de"REAG"ulation (as in Reagan) and the cabal that jumped on it like carrion.

The current international mess is about 98%Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld.

And all of it is sitting right in the laps of the people who voted not once but TWICE for it.

I'm glad that Sarah Palin makes you smile.

Unfortunately no one will see your smile when the next Enron turns out the lights again on the rest of America. Did I forget to mention W's buddy "Kenny Boy" Lay?

When will you Bush enablers ever try a different way of looking at the world? You might learn something useful.

Posted by: Joe | October 4, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks RealPatriot - I just get a bit tired of wiping and diapering the behinds of liberals.

I am off to work to enjoy some adult company.

Posted by: Sandy | October 4, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Sandy, wake up, California has been under a REPUBLICAN governor for the last 8 year. Ah-nold is a Republican. Deregulation of electricity caused electricity trading and high prices in California a few years back... under Ah-nold.

Ronald Reagan also was governor of California once, too. Strange for such a liberal state, eh?

Only a part of California is like San Francisco and that's San Francisco itself.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Howzabout a little kiss?

Posted by: RealPatriot®999 | October 4, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

You guys are too funny...uh, you know who you are.
Best not hang out here too long though; I'm sure we've exceeded our nu-qu-lee-er dose limit by far.

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1685

Come, I have the keys to the decontamination unit...and to the bar. The adults will be gone by now.

Posted by: DNA Girl | October 4, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Those nostalgic for real boodling should look in the past, Jane.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

lol, dna girl. let's pull some crazy prank in the bunker.

Posted by: L.A. lurker | October 4, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

When all is said and done she's still more qualified than Obama. And she's easier to look at. :-)

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

of course we know VPs job is to:


out covert cia agents
cook the intelligence books for illegal war
fire federal judges for political reasons
order wiretappin's of american 12packers
party with the oil tycoons at halliburton
shoot lawyer friends in the face while drunk

aaron burr, step aside.


why did every major paper giver a freeride on "no gaffes:"

who Presides over the Senate?

the shadow thugs from houston and dubai.

Posted by: bloggod | October 4, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Maybe her winking is a subconscious act similar to a poker tell?

I dated a woman who was a serial winker who got it from her mother. It was hard to hold a conversation as I was having to ask every 15 seconds "what the hell are you winking at?!?"
It's a very annoying and distracting behavior.

Posted by: Arizona | October 4, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm afraid you're right, Wilbrod, but then, I heard Thursday night that that's waht liberals do.

*off to back-boodle*

Posted by: Jane B | October 4, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"maverick:"


john hinckley
hitler
ferris buehler
david koresh
timmy mcarmy mcveigh
john allen muhammed
spirit
forest gump


send the maverick to the glue mill

Posted by: bloggod | October 4, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod,
There's always the People's Republic of Berkeley.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

You know what's most ironic? In the AP and other mainstream press reporting on Palin's performance in the debate, the words "carefully scripted" and "talking points" are repeated again and again. First, how do you really know that? How do you know Biden didn't have his own script or talking points, especially when he has such a history of gaffes? Isn't it patronizing and sexist to suggest Palin couldn't operate without a script? Have you ever seen Obama off the teleprompter?
He fumbles badly for words (as most of us would). Maybe.....it's the Democrats' own talking point to say Palin repeated talking points? Nahhhh -- they wouldn't do that, would they?

Posted by: tampalawyer | October 4, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

You know what's most ironic? In the AP and other mainstream press reporting on Palin's performance in the debate, the words "carefully scripted" and "talking points" are repeated again and again. First, how do you really know that? How do you know Biden didn't have his own script or talking points, especially when he has such a history of gaffes? Isn't it patronizing and sexist to suggest Palin couldn't operate without a script? Have you ever seen Obama off the teleprompter?
He fumbles badly for words (as most of us would). Maybe.....it's the Democrats' own talking point to say Palin repeated talking points? Nahhhh -- they wouldn't do that, would they?

Posted by: tampalawyer | October 4, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Go go
Go Jane B go
Go
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Go
Go Jane B go
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Janey Back Boodle

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

You know what's most ironic? In the AP and other mainstream press reporting on Palin's performance in the debate, the words "carefully scripted" and "talking points" are repeated again and again. First, how do you really know that? How do you know Biden didn't have his own script or talking points, especially when he has such a history of gaffes? Isn't it patronizing and sexist to suggest Palin couldn't operate without a script? Have you ever seen Obama off the teleprompter?
He fumbles badly for words (as most of us would). Maybe.....it's the Democrats' own talking point to say Palin repeated talking points? Nahhhh -- they wouldn't do that, would they?

Posted by: tampalawyer | October 4, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Here is Biden's answer, in full:

Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history. The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.
And the primary role of the vice president of the United States of America is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit.

The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he's part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous.


First of all, as John points out, Article I establishes the legislative branch. It is Article II that creates the executive branch of government, a fact that Hinderaker's 16 year old daughter pointed out.

Secondly, while Cheney's contention that the VP is part of the legislative branch is indeed problematic, for Biden to say the Vice President is only a creature of the executive is just plain wrong as Hinderaker points out. He has a defined role in the legislative branch - and its not as Biden describes it:

Finally, Biden misstated the Vice President's role in the Senate. It isn't true that he "preside[s] over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote." The Constitution contemplates that the Vice President will be the full-time President of the Senate, replaced by a President pro tempore "in the absence of the Vice President." It's true that the Vice President only gets to vote in case of a tie; but, of course, that's the only time it matters.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

We need someone with a great smile and some real assets in a skirt to be VP. That is the level to which our country has sunk.

Posted by: help | October 4, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

"Rightttt those people who are voting for Obama all have a large salary and are the wealthy. The wealthy are voting for high taxes on themselves......haha"

Well, I make well over 250k a year and am 100% sure I want to vote for Obama/Biden. I would be happy to pay higher taxes because in the end, the overall benefit to my country is more important than me being able to buy one more car or another house. I prefer a candidate that has intelligence and listens to advice and analyzes what works and does not work to make policy as opposed to someone that still thinks the world is in WWII mode and applies realism thinking to everything. As for Palin, I admire her as a woman but I would never want someone in power who says that "cause of things don't matter, we have to act".

Posted by: Anna | October 4, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

PROOF THAT SARAH PALIN WAS WEARING AN EARPIECE DURING THE DEBATE.

Please be sure to examine each of the examples that I have noted below before dismissing this. It is shocking and evident and really deserves closer scrutiny.

People are voting in Ohio already, under the wrongful impression regarding Sarah Palin and the debate in which she was wired for her answers. Time really is of essence. Must we wait!!! Please don’t allow this to be another situation like people being under the wrong impression about Bush and, thus, voted him in under the erroneous guise that he knew what he was talking about.

See and judge if this is worthy for yourself. Please go to:


1st - abovetopsecret.com - scroll to right and see story titled: PALIN APPEARS TO BE WEARING AN EARPIECE DURING DEBATE. After clicking on be sure to scroll down the 4-ENLARGED PICURES SHOWING THE EARPIECE!!!

2nd – willyloman.wordpress.com - scroll down to story titled: WHAT DOES GOV PALIN HAVE IN HER RIGHT EAR? Please be sure to click on the short clip noted ***CNN VIDEO***. In this clip, watch closely and recognize the right ear and the light flesh-colored 1-1/2 inch thin piece running from the stem of her glasses to her ear BUT the left ear noticeably does not have the line running into that ear.

3rd – huffingtonpost.com (October 2, 2008) under the STYLE section. Go to the story titled: SLIDESHOW: The Case Against The French Braid featuring Palin. Be sure to scroll down to the ENLARGED PICTURE OF PALIN’S PHOTO SHOWING HER BACK. There you will see HER BACK SKILLFULLY BUT EVIDENTLY PADDED MIDDLE OF HER JACKET WHERE THE TRANSMITTER IS LOCATED.

Also, notice that she was wearing her hair down today, the day after, in a taped Fox News interview where she was likely able to be given key words to help her with remembering supreme court cases that previously were not part of her normal knowledge base. I understand Reuters tried to get The Debate Commission to have both candidates checked for earpieces, as I did with no success which, by the way, should become a prerequisite in all debates if the world is to think all is above board for gaining honest impressions and information that should be considered paramount in American. I understand the McCain camp was told about this, according to a previous, Fox News report, which is why they felt obligated to not have her ears blatantly covered for the debate. But the concealment wasn't very good as you will see, and with better equipment will discern for sure. However, They made sure the hair was down the next day, and I bet will always be down in interviews, unless they get better updated equipment. THIS, UNDOUBTEDLY, IS SERIOUS.

Please DOOOOOOOOOOOOO SOMETHING!!!!!! The old saying pertains here: You snooze, you lose. Get it out there anyway you can before, once again, it's TOO LATE!!!

Posted by: randy | October 4, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I can't remember when I met so many interesting people. Calgary, Philly, Ft. Lauderdale, McLean (you know what I'm talkin' about! Anyway, here we all are meetin' each other--not blinkin'--just talkin! and--gosh darnit,

Posted by: the boss lady | October 4, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

LOL so now she had a ear piece and thats why she had her hair down.. can't you come up with something better then that.you guys are so funny. trying to come up with some reason why Palin didn't fall on her face.. it was a ear piece yup thats it.. no no she studied before she went that was wrong.She is a woman that is wrong. she is from Alaska what a joke.She talks funny how stupid.Boy you guys do a good job

Posted by: mat | October 4, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

fiscal mess: well you better put in Cater and Clinton in on that mess to. Clinton push the lenders to lend to low income familys back in 1995. look it up. Dem's messed this country up to the rep can't take all the credit.Mccain in 2005 tired to stop some of it but the dem's blocked it do your home work.

Posted by: sue | October 4, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

thats ok let them come up with reason why Palin did ok. Biden went off to study before the debate. the news covered it. wow what a surprise.most of them do study before a debate. didn't you in school before a test? If they didn't that would have been stupid.Obama studies before his debates is he stupid? well Obama could have talked about anything besides the questions and you all would still vote for him and love him.Talk about being brain washed.Biden now thats something else he thinks tv 1929 and the pres was R. now thats a vp for ya.

Posted by: Frank | October 4, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Commenters: You do realize you're mostly arguing with 16 year olds don't you? It is possible to you know, get a real life.

Posted by: Hello? | October 4, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

You idiots. 66 virgins awaits obama after this life.

Posted by: obamaisamuslim | October 4, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a communist, terrorist, muslim loving egomaniac.

You morons, wait until he has Rev Wright and his white hating crew in the capitol. You liberals better start runniing, you'll be the first to go.

Posted by: obamaisanegromuslim | October 4, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

The blinking is an odd attribute of Mrs. Palin's and one of the attributes she shares with Mr. McCain.

They also share another attribute. They are both stepping up myth mongering and smear-tactics against Senator Obama. Straight out lies. Today Mrs. Palin is lying and slandering Senator Obama, saying that he is palling around with terrorists (i.e., Ayres). Senator Obama was 8 yrs old and living across the world in another place when Ayres was active. Now Ayres is a professor at University of Chicago, Illinois. From any stretch, this is a bold face lie. Mrs. Palin is now the Queen of the "potty mouths", and one mean girl.

Posted by: Lucy2008 | October 4, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

The posts are starting to get mean and racist. Right here on this blog a few have started.

Everyone, please fight against these smears. These people are morally challenged. Well-informed, intelligent and ethical people won't do this.

Mrs. Palin has shown her dark heart today talking stating lies and smears about Senator Obama. McCain/Palin are losing and will use any dark and ugly tactic now. They are taking the lowest of the low road. They are showing their scales.

Posted by: lucy2008 | October 4, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Everyone, please fight against these smears. These people are morally challenged. Well-informed, intelligent and ethical people won't do this.
Mrs. Palin has shown her dark heart today talking stating lies and smears about Senator Obama.

I guess you making this comment like you said you must be morally challenged then.

Posted by: fred | October 4, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

And some are reading-challenged, too.

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 4, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

under Obama's health plan.
Parents would be required to cover their children or be charged a fine.
Obama's plan only offers more government, while McCain's plan offers more choices."
Obama's health care plan will be adding another government bureaucracy.it would create an inefficient state-run system.

Another run government plan they can't run what they have already and we want them to take care of our health?

the Obama campaign has signed up singers
Bruce Springsteen and Jay-Z to play at events in Philadelphia and Detroit, as well as Ohio State University.
Voter turnout could be key in deciding the outcome of the 4 November presidential election.

So having stars sings will win him the title President. makes sense.we Americans have came a long ways when we let singers tell us who to vote for. the young kids will vote for him because he knows these singers and thats cool.

Posted by: stew | October 4, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

The NFL has also signed up Bruce Springsteen to sing at the Super Bowl. I say we boycott those dang commies. No more Sunday football for me. Nosiree.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Some would say that a nervous tick like that is a tell that you are lying.

Posted by: Independent | October 4, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

As another poster pointed out, the right wing nut jobs who are clearly stupid enough to buy into Palin's style and not substance are the reason that education system has to change. Bunch of bozos you McCain-Palin supporters.

Posted by: Against Stupidity | October 4, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Of course Palin is a serial winker, it probably runs in the family. After all, public record show that Palin gave birth to Track slightly more than 8 mmonths after she eloped with husband Todd. And then there is Bristol. Winking at an early age is celebrated in Palin's family. She's not perfect, just forgiven. She's also good at attacking others.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

P.S. Palin, McCain, and the Republicans are a bunch of racist liars . Putting down community organizers, who mostly operate in low income MINORITY communities equates to racism in my eyes.

Posted by: Against Stupidity | October 4, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Jesus was a jew. Never a Christian

Mohamed was a Christian. OK I made that part up

Posted by: omni | October 4, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

RE:
Sarah Palin, Serial Winker
--------------------------
Montreal, CANADA, October 4, 2008

TO THE NEXT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NEW PRESIDENT:

SIR:

"MAY I CALL YOU "O" ?"

Because of MAIN STREET!

Because of WALL STREET!

Because of the final electoral sprint - ending soon next coming november 2008 - while THE WHOLE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA has its eyes on YOU.

Everyone expects You to be democratically elected and see that something happen in America.

In March 1983, one of humanity's most famous spokesmen, Pope John Paul II, came to our country - 'Haîti' - and loudly proclaimed what each and every one of us had been whispering:

'Something must change here.'

Today, more than ever, a lot of people of The United States of America stand up, longing for something and working to make something happen.

"Go thou America ahead and show us thy true countenance in a positive light.' It is up to everyone to play his or her part in order to let thee regain thy mark of excellence !"

With this letter, I am communicating with You, SIR, and with the whole people of The United States of America.

You offer this country what it takes to be a 'Wonderfull Land.' Yes, let us say 'with a great people living and working together.'

Go thou, America, go ahead, following in the footsteps of one of thy sons who is now becoming one of thy statesmen.

With this in mind, to whom else could I entrust this letter sent to his Holiness Pope John Paul II when he set foot on Haitian soil for the first time, as well as its acknowledgment by the Vatican?

That letter to Pope John Paul II is intended to draw attention to the problem posed by anti-Black discrimination and its negative repercussions on the advancement of scientific progress in the West, and more precisely in the realm of Optics.

In the Western world, according to Newton's widely accepted theory, white is considered to be the synthesis of all colors. Actually, the opposite is true. White constitutes the analysis or 'visible' decoding of light or color, whereas black is its synthesis or 'invisible' composition.

In other words, darkness or blackness and, we might add, "Black Holes'" - a scientific misnomer designating invisible stars or 'Black Suns' - are a source of energy and light. Scientifically, Industrially and Economically speaking, what an asset !

That basic raw material of light energy culminates, in its most radiant form, in the neutralization of all the colors of the spectrum in the form of usually called "white light."

Therefore "absolute blackness", the absorption of all the colors, is a divisible component of light. Needless to say, Newton's theory gives only a partial interpretation of the notion of light, by excluding black. Our contribution aims at demonstrating that the black color is not only an integral part of the color process, but its true synthesis. Light is therefore shown to be a divisible whole comprising an intensity or color scale in which black is the invisible or 'absorbed' form of the energy in question.

Allow me, SIR, in order to support my statement concerning Black Holes and radiation, to pose a question asked by Hubert Reeves, Doctor of nuclear astrophysics and Scientific Consultant to NASA:

"What would have become of the Sun, if it were plunged into a high temperature radiance like the one that existed at the beginning of the Universe? [our translation]"

"Instead of emitting light, it would absorb it and, in the end, it would be completely reabsorbed into the cosmic fluid."

The cosmic fluid is what, due to an "optical mistake", is called "darkness" or the "blackness of Space". We are talking about the electromagnetic flux, that immeasurable ocean in which the planets and stars are bathed, like the sea which links all the continents together. Darkness is thus "The Sea of Space."

"What would have happened if, instead of an ordinary star like the "White Sun", a Black Hole or "Black Sun" were injected into that primordial radiation?"

"According to Einsteinian Physics, a Black Hole is a place where gravity is so formidably intense that nothing can escape it, not even visible light. Such a hole should suck in and absorb radiation and increase its own mass: E=MC2, always."

"But after Einstein came Bohr, Heisenberg, and Quantum Physic. From then on, nothing was the same as before."

"The Einsteinian version of the Black Hole is equivalent to a statement that the matter inside the Black Hole is definitely there to stay, in that volume of space. Let us quote Hubert Reeves: "Such an absolute statement is thus contrary to the "Quantum spirit", affirming that nothing is definitely localized in one place. There is always a probability of escape. If the enclosing wall is too high, a tunnel will be dug; if the prisoners are patient, they will escape. One has only to wait." [our translation]

"According to that principle, Black Holes "evaporate". Matter constantly escapes as radiation. Black Holes "shine!" Their surfaces behave like those of any body heated to a certain temperature and that radiation endlessly feeds that marvelous "Cosmic Fluid" which, wrongly and in bad faith, people keep calling "Darkness."

Nigra sum "sed" formosa!

Yes, but should we not say instead, I am black "and" comely?

Darkness, which is both source and vehicle of light, does not have to defend itself for being the beautiful and infinitely discreet raw material of the Universe. Darkness is the "Mother of the Universe."

Also, beautiful and discreet art thou, Haiti. Discreet, yes, but never outshone! Just like the Black Virgin who inspires and sheds her love on thee from the hilltop and even beyond Cité Soleil (Sun City).

Our purpose was to offer a more constructive approach aiming at correcting the abusive traditional, so-called scientific, theories of Optics.

It’s like to say that in the exceptional circumstances in which we live today - in the point of view of FINANCE and ENERGY - no exploration in the mid or long term, by the american expertise , of an additional source of energy, at the same time safe and economically profitable, should not be ruled out.

That is why, we wrote to that authentic witness to the signs of this age, His Holiness Pope John Paul II, the prophet of the new era.

Congratulations to You, Sir, and congratulations to the PEOPLE of The United States Of America - for having made it possible for this day of November to come - to mark the beginning of a "New Era of Hope !"

Lucien Bonnet

PLease, SEE :
LETTER TO POPE JOHN-PAUL II
in 'BILL A RI AND THERE WAS LIGHT !
http://www.contact-canadahaiti.ca

Posted by: Lucien BONNET | October 4, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I see no reason why candidates for the highest offices in the country should shut down legitimate legislative investigations into their alleged abuse of power, started long before they were such candidates. In fact, I see very good reason for American voters to know what the Alaska legislature made of Palin's ethics before they get to vote in November. But as we know, John McCain believes in minimal transparency and maximal secrecy. At least he has since Sarah Palin was pickd for his veep. He learned from GW; don't answer subpoenas, avoid the constitution, corruption rules and if in doubt lie, lie, lie

Posted by: Fed up | October 4, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

There's only one deal Obama should make with the Repugnicans: "I'll stop telling the truth about you if you'll stop telling lies about me".

Posted by: thorninurside | October 4, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Ya know, should McCain die in office, Heaven forbid, I think there'd be somebody in there who would be able to really get in there and represent the winkers of Amerca. Them Warshington types wouldn't know what hit 'em when the winkin' and the posin' and the grinnin' came all over 'em just like a tidal wave, yah. Change is comin' to Warshington!

Posted by: ElBruce | October 4, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

So the word around town is that Perky Palin is a Crazy Canadian!

Posted by: Unaffiliated | October 5, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

In the debate I think Sarah Palin acted like one of those toy dolls with a pull cord on it's neck...what a joke!
Who will McCain pick for his cabinet...Howdy Doody & friends???
McCain has shown very poor judgment in making important decisions...such as picking a running mate [country first?...my ass] ...please do not vote for him.
Thanks

Posted by: toshtogo | October 5, 2008 3:18 AM | Report abuse

Really, america is not this stupid. I do know that it is not racist, just a little biggoted. Guess what she stands for?

Posted by: Iam4usa | October 5, 2008 5:28 AM | Report abuse

If Palin did have an earpiece, at least the technology has gotten better than when Dubya had that giant receiver strapped to his back in a 2004 debate.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 5, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Imagine you were on a high school debate team and instead of addressing the topic you winked and addressed a different topic that you like better. Not only would your side lose the debate, you would get kicked off the team, which is what should happen to Elly May Palin.

Posted by: Randall R | October 5, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Somehow the entire debate reminded me of one of those dialoges between George Burns and Gracie Allen from their TV show. All Biden needed was a cigar. Say goodnight Sarah.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch | October 5, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"The American people are not stupid and they are not going to fall for the scare tactics any longer."???

I wonder who puts Bush in WH for 2 terms (:- I think a passing score with a standard test is needed to vote! There should definitely be a standard for the candidates.

I guess we have to think about the positive side of Palin as VP or president: America will provide more amusements to the world!

Posted by: More Stupid (:- | October 5, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

godnite sara

Posted by: vpsp | October 5, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing that so many so-called Palin supporters can only "support" her by 1)changing the subject and not talking about her at all, 2) namecalling and rudeboying people they don't agree with, and 3)attempting to incite fear in others by their comments.

I feel like someone is telling me "Boo! Look over here! No, don't look over there, over here! And be very, VERY afraid while you are looking!"

How many people are actually INFLUENCED by this low level of discourse? It certainly doesn't do Palin any favors.

I think there are a fair number of "rabid" supporters of Republicans and Democrats who would likely support whatever candidate is placed because they have such deep party affiliations. OTOH, there are also a large number of other voters who are looking for the SENSE of what is being said. All this ridiculous and low-minded commentary, without explanation or support, is only turning those people off from the candidate who is most often supported by such comments.

Let's talk about the issue, which is, "is Sarah Palin counting on her cheerful and upbeat personality to mask her inadequacies and unwillingness to address issues that concern the American voter?"

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"Are we seriously criticizing a candidate for winking and smiling? Isn't there enough content to comment on? Honestly, I don't see anyone picking on Obama or McCain's quirky mannerisms. Why do we have to pick on a woman's?

Posted by: are you serious?"

I think the criticism being leveled is that there ISN'T enough content to be commented upon. People seem to be feeling that the winking and smiling aren't genuinely representing Palin's personality but are instead being used to draw attention away from the emptiness of her debate responses. Most people aren't picking up on other candidates' mannerisms because they are finding more to comment about in their words.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Direct from their web page......

THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM
Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System, written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee, chaired by the late Vallmer Jordan in 1981.


These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They consist of the following concepts:
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Matthew 22:37


1.Commitment to God. "The God of our weary years" will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.
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2. Commitment to the Black Community. The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community.
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3.Commitment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society. Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate.
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4.Dedication to the Pursuit of Education. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each Black person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. “Real education” fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college. Basic education for all Blacks should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of Black minds.
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5.Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence. To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the Black Community. We must recognize the relativity of one’s best; this year’s best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor.
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6.Adherence to the Black Work Ethic. "It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago." Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the Black workforce.
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7.Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect. To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress and a model for Black Youth.
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THIS IS THE SCARRY PART>>>>>>

8.Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness." Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the "talented tenth" of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor's control.
Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:


1.Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.


2.Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.

3.Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of "we" and "they" instead of "us."

4.So, while it is permissible to chase "middleclassness" with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method - the psychological entrapment of Black "middleclassness." If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our "voluntary" contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.

5.Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the Black Community.

6.Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.

7.Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.


THIS VALUE OF SUGGESTING THAT THE "talented tenth" OF BLACK AMERICA ARE THE THUGS THAT ARE IN PRISION IS OUTRAGEOUS.

When Barack speaks about growing the middle class and strengthening our country, one must only look back to what he has belived for the last twenty years from his church.....

Mind you when he says he is a man of action and a man that when he see a wrong he will fight it.....well, he did not disovow his paster...until it became a political risk to assosiate with him. A tacktacal manuver.....


If I replace "black" with "White" in this document....it become a racist rant. Obama is hiding the fact that for twenty years he has belonged to a hate organiation under the protection of it being a "christian church". ......


trully GOD help us!


Posted by: Joe Sixpack | October 5, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

What a disgrace Palin is to women! . . . . . If women feel proud about McCain selecting Pallin and cannot see thru' this ploy, then they deserve all the bias that they have coming to them.
Look at Condoleeza Rice, Hillary Clinton, Madeline Allbright.. real women.. not there just for the skirt and the smile.
Shame on McCain. But even bigger shame on the women that could to see thru' this.

Posted by: brian


A perceptive post, brian, and one that reflects the reactions of many hardworking women around America. I found Palin's performance on Thursday to be repulsive because she seemed to rely on that bubbly personality of hers instead of showing us what qualities she had as a speaker and thinker. There's nothing wrong with having that personality - lots of us do - but she didn't seem to realize that along with it we expected her to give real answers to the real questions she was asked. I felt that she never took us as an audience seriously, and she didn't treat the problems people face seriously either. I found her a real let-down for women.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I am looking forward to the day Palin loses her trial for using Yahoo to do state business, (so she and her employees could hide their doings, from the Freedom of Information act). I remember when the case against former VP Agnew dragged on in his home state. Eventually Agnew had to resign and go to prison. I suppose she will just get a bracelet, she would not have to really go to the slammer.
So people will get to pretend she is really not a crook, like they still pretend, about Richard Nixon.

Posted by: bruce | October 5, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

California being the most Liberal state in the Nation seems to have gotten themselves in a bit of a mess. What does that say about the almighty and wise Liberals.

Posted by: Sandy

The Governor is Republican, Sandy. We are in the process of doing a RECALL. He was a failure. Vote for Ariana Huffington!!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

California being the most Liberal state in the Nation seems to have gotten themselves in a bit of a mess. What does that say about the almighty and wise Liberals.

Posted by: Sandy

Half the state assembly are Republicans. Half the state senate are Republicans. While the state gets a lot of publicity for cultural liberalism, tens of millions are Republican. The SF bay area is indeed liberal. Kerry got 74% in SF bay counties and carried CAL. Bush carried every other county in the state. Kerry only carried 6 counties.
So there's your lesson on cultural liberalism and the blame game.
We have a Republican governor and half the legislators are Republicans too.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

By the way, somebody I know with a medical degree and serious family history with bipolar in the family is completely convinced that Palin was been acting hypomaniac in the debate and elsewhere.

That, combined with her frequent absences as a governor, does make me think that we need full mental health disclosure from the Republican campaign for BOTH candidates. (McCain has disclosed nothing-- and his behavior since vietnam strongly suggests that PTSD cannot be ruled out).

Posted by: Wilbrod | October 5, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Bruce:

I don't know what Palin did on Yahoo, but the Freedom of Information Act only applies to the federal government and not state governments such as that of Alaska. That being said, there may be an Alaskan state statute that deals with open government or public records. Here in Florida we have the broadest such laws in our Government in the Sunshine law and Public Records Act. Just FYI

Posted by: tampalawyer | October 6, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

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