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Bailout Fever

This would normally be the time of year to kick back, take a breather, and focus on what really matters in life, such as receiving gifts. Also, it is important to upgrade your marinades. No matter how detestable your existence and execrable your prospects, you can always take solace if you've got a good marinade working for you. Though universally disliked and hygienically dubious, you nonetheless can sense that things are incrementally trending in a good direction thanks to your brilliant feats of culinary chemistry. Kind of the way we used to get a warm feeling as we pondered our stock market investments.

Sadly, this holiday season is marred by the financial crisis. It is a bad one. Indeed, on CBS radio news this morning, the announcer boldly declared it to be "the worst since the Great Depression." Possibly this person does not remember the 1970s. Gas lines, stagflation, the Bee Gees: One horror after another.

But no question, it's rough right now, and we find ourselves hesitating before plunking down that credit card to buy that nice Barolo. Or course we go through with it anyway -- after all, it's a respectable bottle of wine -- but the hesitation is new. (Call it conscientious profligacy.)

What worries me most is that if we let down our guard and stop paying attention to the news for even one 24-hour period, the leaders of our government will decide that they really like spending money a hundred billion dollars at a time. There's almost a one-upmanship thing going on: I'll call your hundred billion and raise you two hundred billion. The Bush-Obama administration just decided to bail out Citigroup (where Obama economic adviser Bob Rubin is a "senior adviser") to the tune of $300 billion. Yesterday, we learned that the Democrats and Obama want an economic stimulus package of between $500 billion and $700 billion. This morning we read this, from Bloomberg via Mike Allen: "The Federal Reserve announced two new efforts to unfreeze credit for homebuyers, consumers and small businesses, committing up to $800 billion. The central bank will purchase as much as $600 billion in debt issued or backed by government-chartered housing-finance companies. It will set up a $200 billion program to support consumer and small-business loans, the Fed said in a statement today in Washington."

The AP tries to tally up these measures and declares that the federal deficit for this fiscal year will likely hit about a trillion dollars.

I realize a trillion dollars isn't what it used to be. Also, that the Keynesian solution to a recession is to deficit spend like there's no tomorrow. But here are a few random questions that pop into my head:

Why do some people get the money (AIG, Citigroup) but not others (Lehman Brothers)? Is there any central principle of fairness driving this process? Why isn't the decision-making more transparent? What exactly is the ideology of the people tapped to get us out of this mess? (Have they been just winging it from the get-go?) Why do the bailout numbers keep getting bigger and bigger without any indication that Congress, ostensibly the keeper of the federal purse, is being required to give its assent (and thus be held accountable potentially)? What do you call this kind of economy, in which the free market is considered sacrosanct up to the moment that it flees screaming into the arms of the federal government? Why is the federal government racing to rescue Citigroup but apparently doing nothing (correct me if I'm wrong on this) for state governments and local governments suddenly facing fiscal disasters that will lead almost immediately to layoffs in schools, colleges, hospitals, social service agencies and other places that directly affect ordinary people?

And of course: What's in this for me???


I know you're thinking this is just Joel being his usual, cranky, fiscal-hawkish self, but check out this blog's calculation (via Ben Smith) of how much is being spent on various bail-outs:

"The $4.6165 trillion dollars committed so far is about a trillion dollars ($979 billion dollars) greater than the entire cost of World War II borne by the United States: $3.6 trillion, adjusted for inflation (original cost was $288 billion)."

But wait -- it's not 4 trillion, it's more like 7 or 8 trillion dollars! Check out this piece from Bloomberg:

"The U.S. government is prepared to provide more than $7.76 trillion on behalf of American taxpayers after guaranteeing $306 billion of Citigroup Inc. debt yesterday. The pledges, amounting to half the value of everything produced in the nation last year, are intended to rescue the financial system after the credit markets seized up 15 months ago.

"The unprecedented pledge of funds includes $3.18 trillion already tapped by financial institutions in the biggest response to an economic emergency since the New Deal of the 1930s, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The commitment dwarfs the plan approved by lawmakers, the Treasury Department's $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. Federal Reserve lending last week was 1,900 times the weekly average for the three years before the crisis."

Um, this is starting to get my attention.


It's not just me: Here's more fretting from Andrew Sullivan, with a transAtlantic perspective:

"... the radicalism of the current policies pioneered by Paulson and Brown and now getting even more outlandish seems to me to have two potentials: to somehow drag us out of this without an almighty crash now but make the recovery from debt even more arduous, or to add unimaginable mountains of debt to our current plight and still not manage to avoid the crash, thereby making it all much worse. The abandonment of any sobriety in this moment is disturbing. "

By Joel Achenbach  |  November 25, 2008; 12:27 PM ET
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Numero uno?

During the campaign for governor in WA state, the budget deficit was supposed to be $3 billion. Now that the incumbent Dem was elected, it has gone to 4, 5, 6 Billion. Just keeps getting worse. I just keep spending as usual, on the theory that someone has to.

Posted by: seasea | November 25, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Not sure who is first, but SeaSea (Seattle Slew to me, these days) wins Congeniality for getting us all one kit back.

I am thankful for SeaSea.

Hi Moose -- I always think of you when I bike Route One, which is actually, quite often.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 25, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, Joel, I can't concentrate on this kit. I'm still stuck on CqP's typo at the very end of the last kit, when she mentioned keeping community panties [sic]stocked.

Perhaps after a cold shower we can discuss high finance.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 25, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh my. Community Pantries.

Sigh. Midlife vision adventures. the near and far visions are fine but the computer screen, well, I should not be cleared as an air traffic controller.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 25, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

About Tday giving at this point, for Community Pantries and Soup Kitchens.

Send them grocery store gift cards. Even ten dollars on a card helps. Be sure to mark the amount on the card with a Sharpie. Give to the local food bank when you shop. Most grocery stores will let you add 1, 5, 10 or more to your receipt. You won't miss 10 at all. I promise.

Volunteer to cook or serve on non holidays. Become part of the once-per-month club. They really need experienced hands to help with all the young volunteers who show up as part of Scouts, youth group, or schools....

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 25, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I just opened an offer for a year of 0% interest on balance transfers, with a low transaction fee, from a credit card company. This has been going on for months. Their pleas to please transfer some debt for a pittance were at first chipper, then aggressive, then rather pathetically persistent. I think I have them on the ropes now. I will laugh as I send it through the shredder, surely they can afford to lend me money for an even smaller transaction fee and 2 years of no interest.

Brag-heard a rep from a shipping company on the radio over the weekend. It seems they give the Somali pirates their loot in cash, then drop them off at various points along the coast so no single pirate has all the cash. Seems they have a hard time hanging on to it once they get back home. Some justice in that I suppose.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 25, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

When, when, when will I learn to preview? I used the word cash twice in the same sentence when I could have used booty at least once. This pirate crisis could be solved before another natural opportunity like that arises.

Off to work, later boodlers.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 25, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse


I have three credit cards. I use one as a checking account. I have the others to use for an odd expense or say, to take traveling. Of course you have to use it once before you go and call the company and say "This is me." They will detect the occasional use as a departure from pattern and LEAP at you with Identity-fraud equipment. Anywhoooo: in the past two weeks, those accounts have sent me registered letters informing me that due to inactivity they were canceling the cards. Interesting.

The card I use is a Citibank card held since 1983. They just sent me a letter jacking up the APR and Annual rate (not quite the same) to usury levels in the high 30s. Interesting. I guess if I get in trouble, like many in the economy will (are), shall be hard to use the card to float myself. I think the card companies see a chance to squeeze some people. Other will squeeze to the point of death (bankruptcy).

Good times. Wish they brought out the best of us. But, read Dickens. Baddie get baddie-er.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 25, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

CP, is it a large, oval, ceramic liner you need? I have an extra and will be happy to ship with the cookie molds.

Thank you for the gift card and pbj sandwiches on Friday idea. I'll use them.

Posted by: -dbG- | November 25, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

oh, cruel shot at the Bee Gees... here's the recipe Mudge...

3lb Eye of Round Oven Roast
1 box seasoned stuffing (I make homemade by cutting up focachio bread and toasting it under the broiler, add savory)
½ cup melted butter
1 can whole cranberry sauce
½ cup grated orange rind (organic)

Combine stuffing with melted butter. Add 2/3 of the can of cranberry sauce so that it is coated but not soggy. Add orange rind. Cut roast down centre in a ‘V’ shape and sprinkly lots of Thyme in the cavity. Stuff. Place the meat on a rack in a roasting pan with ½ inch water deep. Bake at 450 degrees for 30 minutes but be careful not to burn the stuffing on top by turning over top pieces. Reduce oven to 275 F and bake for another 1 ¼ hours.

Note: works best with a gas oven, meat may tend to dry out otherwise. Keep an eye that it doesn’t overcook. Stuffing should prevent this from happening if it is thoroughly heaped on top.

Bon appetit!

Posted by: MissToronto | November 25, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Forgot the 1/3 of cranberry sauce left... heat on stove with some orange rind and pour over after it bakes for the first 30 minutes.

Posted by: MissToronto | November 25, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Dickens is a good reference point, CqP. I haven't been using the card I got in college (1973), but the company (Chase) has been sending me emails at the rate of two a day to get me hooked back in. Wachovia was the original issuer of the card, but it has changed hands about three times. Maybe I should just close the account.

Posted by: slyness | November 25, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I am still baffled by the use of the bailout money. Does it mean the US is buying the actual properties, or just giving the debt-holders cash and they get to keep the properties? This of course assumes there are unoccupied houses or houses with folks soon-to-be foreclosed that actually exist, that someone, somewhere, has title on. Maybe I should just homestead one; move in and see how long it takes to get evicted. If ever.

I think the waiting list for Habitat for Humanity is pretty long. Ahem!

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 25, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

DbG let me check the dimensions. Dates from the 70s (avocado, anybody) Have not be able to replace it through Rival CrockPot...and not at t-store. Is HUGE. As befits an old school Catholic or Mormon family.....worked great on turkey carcasses.

Off to teach a quick class.

Snow tomorrow, p'haps? That is what I hear on the kids' underground. There will be pjs worn inside out, tonight, I am sure.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 25, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Now that the obligatory on-topic post is made (wouldn't mind an answer to my naive questions, though), I'll contribute what I learned about brining.

Brining is complicated. Upon immersion in salty solution, the first thing to happen is that water is drawn out of the meat (or fowl). It is only after this first osmotic equilibrium is reached, around 24 hours into the process, that the now-salty water slowly diffuses back into the meat. This takes another 24 hours or thereabouts. Finally, the true equilibrium is reached. To calculate the exact amount of salt to use is tricky. The only way I can figure it is, find out by some experiments how salty you like any of your food, by tasting various saltwater solutions. Then you would need to know the volume of your meat or fowl. Add the volume of the meat to the volume of water you are going to use, and add enough salt to perfectly salt the combined potful as if it were all water.

I'm actually going to do this next time I brine. Last time I used too much salt. The time before that, I didn't soak it long enough. Third time will be the charm. I think I will hickory smoke a turkey I will have brined.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 25, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If they're passing out money, I know someone that could use about a 100k of student loans. I figure since this is about one ten-millionth of the bailout money, nobody would mind if I took my time paying it back.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Note from the Food Safety Patrol: please remember to refrigerate your bird while it is brining to a maximum temp of 37. Unless it is really reliably below freezing outdoors every minute that you are brining, leaving a brining bird on the porch in a cooler is *not sufficiently safe* to be reliable. Also, please ensure that your brine is cold when you pour it into the receptacle.

Thank you. Please return to your regular activities.

Posted by: Yoki | November 25, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, the NYT had a piece on the chemistry of brining last weekend if you can find it.

Good news on the Lloyminster meteor, it's very likely that some pieces will be found. Because of the relatively low speed entry (14km/s or 30 800 mph in Christian units) some bits bigger than 50 g (say 2oz)should have survived. Anybody packing their suitcase for Lake Manitou?

Lake Manitou:

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 25, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

One of the excuses for the credit crunch is that there is no longer a secondary market for loans that have been made. A lot of lenders need the immediate sale of their loans to stay liquid enough to make more loans. By guaranteeing a market for the loans, the gummint is trying to prime the pump and get new lending going.

This flavor of bailout doesn't help people that have loans they can't pay or banks that own loans that aren't being paid.

The floating portion of my HELOC went down half a point this month, saving me about $75 this month. I promise to use that money to keep some needy restaurateurs in business this weekend. The organic turkey growers are going to have to rely on the rest of yinz. There is only so much I can do by myself.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 25, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, I've brined turkeys and chickens for the past couple of years, and never used times anywhere near that: usually just overnight. While you may be technically correct that 24 hours, or some such, is needed for equillibrium, I don't reaching that state is required. I've brined meats for as little as five or six hours, and gotten good results. Also, I don't think the precise amounts of salt are necessary. All the brine recipes I'm familiar with give an amount, but they are approximations. Basically I just dump in a very approximate amount, throw in som sugar or brown sugar, whatever spices are handy, etc. I don't see any need to make brining complicated.

Yoki is correct about food safety; however, I have been known to throw a cup or two of vodka into a brine to kill whatever may think it's gonna grow in that browth. That way I don't have to worry too much about temperature.

The one trick to brining that I DO think is important is thorough rinsing afterward.

One other thing: brining almost always guarantees you won't get a crisp skin. For most people that's not an issue. (There is a separate technique for getting really crisp skin, but you can't brine first.)

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 25, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh, yes, one other tip vis Yoki's warning: instead of all water, I often dump a couple trays of ice cubes into the brine to get the temp down as low as possible. You can get quite a lot of cubes in a cooler. The trick then is to make sure there is enough salt in the cooler so that as the cubes melt, the saline concentration still stays high.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 25, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

'Mudge, I'll forgive your diluting my safety messages, just send some of that vodka my way!

Posted by: Yoki | November 25, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Of course, there are SOME advantages to not getting a fresh turkey...

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 25, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Absolut? Grey Goose? I confess, if I'm dumping it in brine, I use swill: Ribakoff. I can't send you that.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 25, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Absolut will do nicely, thanks. *Getting through the day*

Posted by: Yoki | November 25, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I think that no one really knows exactly what to do about this economic crisis, and they're doing the best they can.

As to whether that's good enough, the right thing to do, etc. -- I don't think anyone knows.

You pays your money and takes your chance.

Personally, I think contributing money, time, work, energy, etc. to those *in need* is always a sound investment.


Posted by: -bc- | November 25, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

But, but, I love crispy turkey skin...sigh...Guess I'll have to drink more vodka.

Posted by: seasea | November 25, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

My contribution to keeping the economy healthy is to pay all three of my danged home loans (on two houses) in timely fashion. Having decided that we lack good landlord-skills, however, we plan to settle the sale of the excess residence in about two weeks. For a lot less than we could have gotten if we had sold it as a fixer-upper last year (before we spent money fixing it up). And for a lot less than we could get if we waited and sold it in 5 years. We decided we have enough trouble just owning one house, thanks, so we are happy to be rid of the burden. We plan to save what we can and spend it fixing up the house we actually live in. And, you know, paying college tuitions and so forth. My expectation is that I will be rebuilding my savings from zero once college is done with.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 25, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of economic flashbacks to the seventies, remember "pump priming"? I'm pretty sure the underlying idea behind some of the current spending is pretty much the same.

This whole economic mess just leaves me numb. The numbers involved are simply too huge to fully contemplate. And the big problem is that we are in such uncharted territory that everyone is kind of making it up as they go along.

I mean, you have some people saying we need to go out there and spend like good 'mericans to keep the money flowing. Then you have others who say we should be sitting at home patching up our old clothes and figuring out tasty new ways to prepare Ramen.

Winging it indeed.

Still, I take some comfort from the fact that, in adjusted terms, the world has endured far greater economic crises. But the current situation does, not for the first time, make me realize that much of the economy really is nothing but smoke and mirrors. I mean, who decided that gold is valuable?

But I do think that to understand the economy, and the markets in particular, you need to understand mob psychology. People sometimes do things that they think are best for themselves (like running madly in a crowd) not realizing that the cumulative effects can be devastating. (Like being trampled.)

I guess the only reliable philosophical position I can take is that we should all do our best to make sure our own financial glass houses are in order before throwing too many stones. (Woah. There's a wicked mixed metaphor.)

Don't carry credit card debt. Don't take loans against unstable assets. Pay yourself first. Diversify. You know, the stuff your grandpa told you to do. And since my grandpa lived through the Great Depression, I figure he knew what he was talking about.

Oh well. Right now the only bailout I am thinking about is bailin' out of town. HaHaHaHa...

Oh bother.

Have a great Thanksgiving everyone!

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 25, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Niall Ferguson (today's Discussion) seemed less than panicked by the financial crisis, except maybe for Argentina's prospects (Brazil better). And a hint that vacations abroad should be scheduled NOW, before the dollar craters.

I've been spendthrift this past year or so, I think in small part because of the effects of a now-discontinued prescription and in larger part because I wasn't expecting to replace my house's roof. Clamping down on expenditures is, however, easier said than done, especially with the kitchen-refurbishment campaign in full swing.

It may be a small blessing that the kitchen is utterly out of commission right now, not to regain some functionality until maybe late next week, albeit with no counters and probably not many drawers. But a honking big sink/drainboard.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | November 25, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

seasea, if you like crispy skin (I do, too) here's the secret (besides not brining the chicken or turkey): the night before or at least 5 or 6 hours before cooking, mix up about a tablespoon of baking powder and a tablespoon of salt (preferably sea salt or kosher salt), an approximate 1-to-1 ratio. You can also add in pepper (prefer ground black pepper, about half as much as the salt), and any other herbs you want: thyme, sage, rosemary, herbs de provence, whatever. But the main thing is the salt and baking powder combo. Gently lift up the skin and insert some of the mixture under the skin, trying as best you can to distribute it on the underside of the skin and/or on the meat. When you've got as much of the underside dusted as possibly (you'll need multiple batches, depending on the size of the bird), lightly dust the outside of the skin as well. Cover the pieces with plastic wrap and put in refrigerator until ready to cook.

What happens is the baking powder really dries out the skin so it crisps. Meanwhile the salt seasons the meat and helps absorb surface liquid.

Easy to do, works really well. The longer you leave it the drier the skin gets--12 hours is good.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

SciTim, I'm delighted to hear that you're getting rid of the house you don't live in. As long as you're not upside down on that mortgage, I wouldn't worry about what coulda/shoulda/woulda been.

That said, I made the mistake of looking at my last mutual funds statement. I do feel poor. But then I never have felt rich, so what's the difference?

Posted by: slyness | November 25, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

FYI, it has been pretty conclusively demonstrated that basting a turkey is ineffective, and just slows down the cooking process. So don't baste. (And it wets the skin, which us crispy lovers don't want.)

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 25, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Running for the bus, clutching recipes in hand.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 25, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Before you all set sail, want to wish all my American friends a very happy Thanksgiving. Hope it is full of family and friends and good food and lots of laughter.

Posted by: Yoki | November 25, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

SciTim-it takes a cast iron stomach to be a landlord, and no emotional investment in the property. I keep telling myself I have cleared those hurdles, it helps me sleep at night.

All the "smart money" said it was foolish to sink a bunch of equity into Chez Frostbitten, which we built for cash out of our NoVA house. It is comforting to know that when our Tampa house is either worth just 1/3 of what we paid or underwater (the declining value/rising sea level graphs may cross any day now)we can retreat to the frozen north and live off the land.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 25, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Linda and my Bill went to the cash register together to pay the bill for our Mexican-food lunch. Phil and I remained settled in the booth.

"You don't have to leave today and drive to Rancho Cordova and spend the night at the Marriott, you know."

"Ummm?" I think I hummed my reply as a question.

"You can stay one more night with us," he said matter-of-factly.

"But, Phil, you've done so much already," I protested.

They'd given up their bed to us on Friday night. We couldn't stay in the guest room because that was where Gilles, their foreign exchange student, now slept. Linda had slept in the twin bed in their computer room. Phil had slept on the floor--mainly because he's still very protective of his back since he was hit by a car some years ago when he was a pedestrian, crossing a street.

"Really, Linda, it's no big deal," Phil countered back to me. "Maybe there's something else you would like to use your Marriott reward points for?"

I didn't hesitate in answering, but softly replied, "Why, yes, there is. The Texas Book Festival in Austin. We stayed the night last year. I'd love to go this year, too."

The matter was quickly settled. We would spend Saturday night in Escalon. But I vowed to myself that I would buy something for Linda at the Texas Book Festival, and it had to be the right book, the best book I could find for her.

When early October rolled around and the list of authors for the festival was finalized and available online, I scoured the choices like I never had before, like an investor might pour over the day's stock market listing or a college student might study a semester's course catalog. I checked and double-checked the offering by each author who was scheduled for the fest.

I didn't think the book I would pick would be about Texas, but I didn't completely rule out the possibility either. I rather doubted it would be a cookbook, since I noticed over the years that my friend Linda, a hard-working wife and mother, was interested in labor-saving, rather than labor-intensive, meal preparation. It wouldn't be a children's book, either, because Robbie was past that age. Nor would it be a heavy work about politics or foreign policy--that's just not light-hearted Linda.

Posted by: laloomis | November 25, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Off to New York to watch my son march in that parade on Thursday. A sneak peak:

Enjoy your turkeys.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 25, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

It could have been a book about a piano, since they have an old piano in their newer home, but I couldn't remember who played it or could play it. Linda said she was a member of a book club at the college and the club had read works by California authors, so I looked harder at all the California or West Coast writers who were coming to Texas. I considered two different books about book clubs.

I think I was leaning toward fiction or historical fiction. Kathleen Kent's "The Heretic's Daughter" appealed to me, but perhaps it wouldn't appeal to my friend. Whatever it was that I finally chose, I felt I'd have to read it first.

I finally found David Ebershoff's book, "The 19th Wife." I felt I might be drawing closer to a decision. I'm not sure if I found the book or the book found me. Or was I swayed by a simple sentence that Linda had spoken on Sunday morning while we were sitting outside, in the coolness and stillness, under her covered patio?

Posted by: laloomis | November 25, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Just wanted to check in and say that I enjoyed my conversation today with all of you, and now it is time for me to turn in. I'm a little tired. The walking takes a bit out of me, but I'm going to try and hang in there with it. I need to, plain and simple.

Thanks, Yoki. And much needed information, CP.

Have a good evening, and enjoy those delicious smells from the food preparations.

Night, boodle. Sweet dreams.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 25, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Important etiquette question!

How long after you break up with a girl/boy must you wait before you can ask for a favor on behalf of your offspring? More importantly, how long can you go before you may no longer consider making such a request? I just emailed my high school girlfriend, on whom I have not gazed in 28 years -- to ask if she could put me in contact with her father, in order to help out one of the ScienceKids on a school project. Is this sweetly fatherly, or creepy and stalkerish? Honestly, I can't tell. I am not a socially adept person, y'know.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 25, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

SciTim, just this happened to me about 5 years ago, favour for son of former amour. I was thrilled to hear from him and glad to do what I could for the kid.

I did not perceive it as stalker-like at all, more like working the network, which we all do, all the time.

Then again, my social skills are not exactly a shining beacon lighting the way, either.

Posted by: Yoki | November 25, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I would say sweetly fatherly, sounds like something my husband would do.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 25, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I vote for sweetly fatherly...not that I'm so socially adept myself. I can barely remember high school at this point, so unless it was a really dramatic romance, it's probably ok.

Posted by: seasea | November 25, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Good evening, y'all. I inadvertently, and for all practical purposes, began my Thanksgiving holiday significantly early as several errands and duties for the Boy took up most of yesterday afternoon and today. Ah, well. This did interfere significantly with my Boodling, so I missed the excellent food discussion. Reading the thing cumulatively made me very hungry and wanting to cook something; also, as Cassandra noted, mindful of the folks are are very hungry and don't have the cooking option.

Side dishes: my family's oyster dressing (poor folk style, stale bread and canned oysters with lots of sage and some thyme). Thanks for the ideas and recipes, y'all.

ScienceTim, I think 28 years is long enough.

If I am honest, I must admit that the numbers in the bailout are meaningless to me. They're just too big. I will say, as a lifelong believer in small deficits and large surpluses, I believe the gummint should spend what it must to push the economy back to health, deficit be damned. I'm glad to hear Obama apparently feels the same way. I don't want all the money to go to corporations, and there are lots of other details I hope get proper attention, but I truly believe now is not the time to worry about the deficit. After years of W, who'll notice? I am glad they don't apparently plan another "tax rebate" check - that was so lame. Raise your hand if you put that towards existing debt or into savings, that is if you didn't go out and spend it. I remember I gave one to Merrill Lynch, which promptly lost it. My part for the greater good.

Brag, I loved the pirate story. It was scarily believable, and I personally think more business people should take advantage of just that kind of opportunity. I can't, being female - not respected in the culture, you know.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 25, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

SciTim, it's most certainly networking at this point.

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 25, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and here's one from the "Quick Tips on How to Get A Fixed Address With No Money Down" department...

*puns intentional* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 25, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Hmm. You know SciTim, what *we* think is kind of irrelevant. What matters is what the woman in question thinks. (Not to mention the Science Spouse.)

Also, I think you need to fully consider your motivation. Is the only reason you are making contact *really* just to get in touch with her father? If the answer is no, there is nothing, per se, wrong with this. But you need to be honest all around.

Emotions can be tricky things. Even after 28 years.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 25, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Hi All,

Here's a method of turkey preparation that I just came across last week, salting. I read it in the LA Times,,0,4842837.story

I'm trying it now. My turkey is sitting salted in a bag in my fridge. We'll see if it turns out. I'm hoping!

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 25, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Frosti, (or anyone else who can watch), turn on Rick Mercer tonight, so far he has been a roady for Feist and is now working with some of the animals at the Toronto Zoo - taking the reindeer for a walk past the tigers was very funny.

A good laugh after so much awful economic news and mind boggling deficit projections.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 25, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Aloha, MiddleofthePacific! Salting and brining are exactly the same mechanism, aren't they? You've got your osmosis and your reverse-osmosis, just one uses more water than the other.

As Curmudgeon said early, "don't forget to rince!"

Posted by: Yoki | November 25, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

MotP just found the article I was referring to earlier Jumper.

The snowblower got its first workout tonight. I had to use the electric starter to blow out the gunk accumulated since last spring but it started and worked fine.

Have a fine Thanksgiving youse all. Difficult times call for fine entertainment.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 25, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

The LA Times writer says that without the water, the meat of the turkey is less spongy (although I usually brine and it didn't seem spongy to me). The salting method doesn't use any water, just plain 'ole salt. But yes, it's really the same concept of the salt retaining the moisture in the meat so the turkey comes out juicy.

I am certainly gonna rinse well before roasting. Don't want to ruin all that hard work with too much salt!

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 25, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm salting our turkey, too, MotP. We were talking about this method a week or so ago when I posted this link to an article in Bon Appetit magazine, which offers three variants.

Tim, you done nuthin' wrong re: yer old ex. (Of course, I'm hardly a reliable witness on this question.)

Yoki, thank you for your good wishes. I would gladly have you and all our other Canadian friends at my dinner table on Thursday in a heartbeat. But you knew that.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 25, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link Mudge. The Times recipe says to salt for 3 days and Bon Appetit says 18-24 hours. Hmmm, hope I am not doing this too early. Maybe I will rinse tomorrow and see how that goes.

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 25, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Aloha MotP!

After all this brining and salting talk I'm ready, for next year. I won't even meet this year's bird until late tomorrow evening.

Thanks for the heads up on the Mercer Report dmd. I don't get off work until 8:00 but it's only a 2 minute drive home.

Gates to stay on at Sec. Def. Hmmmm. Guess that means Obama is smart enough to make this Bush's war even after he becomes the "one president." I like it.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 25, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

SciTim - I hope I didn't come across as rude or presumptuous with my earlier post. I didn't mean to imply that there was anything, you know, improper about looking up a long ago flame. Or that you had any untoward motives. I beseech your forgiveness if you thought I was.

My point is that whenever you reach back in time the emotions can be surprisingly powerful. Before someone does this it is always good to think it through.

But I have no doubt you have.

I'm the one who sometimes haven't.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 25, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Some great food talk today, makes me wish I was having the big meal here. “S” and I will go our separate ways on Thanksgiving, he to his son’s (the ex will be there so I will not), and I to #1’s for dessert which I am bringing (pumpkin pie). I will stop at #2’s on the way to bring cinnamon rolls made from the leftover pie dough and some orts (I finally get to use a crossword word!!) I’ve saved in the freezer for the dog. We’ll have a turkey breast on Friday with a mini version of the feast including acorn squash, asparagus, cranberry sauce, dressing (stuffing) and creamed onions. I may try salting it, MotP. Oh, and pumpkin pie. I don’t care for mashed potatoes so unless “S” will miss them too much, I’ll pass on those.

Just spoke to granddaughter #1. They don’t have school tomorrow. Is this now typical? I remember going for a half day and so does my daughter. Wish I had tomorrow off, I’d start Christmas shopping.

Wasn’t Kim going to give us the sage and onion dressing recipe? I’d be interested in trying it.

Posted by: badsneakers | November 25, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I hope Kim shares the sage and onion dressing recipe too. I've got a recipe from the interwebs but I'd love to see a traditional one. Tomorrow I make the cornbread, something I've never done. I have (unsuccessfully) used Pepperidge Farm in the past, now I'm going to make my own. We'll see how it works out.

Sneaks, when I was a kid, we went to school three whole days in Thanksgiving week, then had Thursday and Friday off. I think nowadays the kids just go Monday and Tuesday. Not fair at all. The City is open on Friday, but Mr. T will take his floating holiday (used to be Veterans Day).

Posted by: slyness | November 25, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I cannot make cornbread at all. Mr seasea does it quite well, using a generic corn meal recipe, I think.

This quote from Obama, about the budget - "Orszag, Obama said, "doesn't need a map to tell him where the bodies are buried in the federal budget." - makes me want to add "and he doesn't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows" - for a gratuitous Bill Ayers reference. A thousand apologies.

Also, apparently Ann Coulter broke her jaw and had to have it wired shut. It just keeps getting better, doesn't it?
(not that I wish injury on anyone, but it does seem somewhat karmic, no?)

Posted by: seasea | November 25, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I started taking off the Wed before Thanksgiving many years ago, after getting stuck in horrible traffic one too many times. Plus it made it easier for me to bake and clean for Thursday. Then a few years ago, I decided to take the whole week. Before long I'll probably take the month of Dec, too - or Jan. I'd really love to take January off.

Posted by: seasea | November 25, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I was going to say that cornbread is easy to make, but then remembered that many of you are southerners and may have a different standard for it, so I’ll just be quiet. Seasea, if I was having the dinner here and if I wasn’t doing two jobs, I’d have asked for at least a half day off tomorrow, alas. I do have Friday off but will not attempt any Christmas shopping that day, I don’t like crowds and mayhem.

I heard that about Ann Coulter and couldn’t help laughing, I may be punished for it, but I don’t care, it’s funny.

Posted by: badsneakers | November 25, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

badsneaks, my kids are off school, too. If it keeps kids on school busses out of crazy holiday traffic, then why not?

And I'm working from home, then heading over to my Mom's to prep for Thanksgiving. In our family, several have their birthdays towards the end of November, so we usually have a big birthday celebration, too. [As if we didn't need another excuse to eat.]

Might have to show off my Tiara while I'm there, too.

I think I make a decent cornbread -- providing you don't mind a little actual corn in it.

*Tim, glad to hear that you're selling that other house, and getting things squared away. Peace of mind can be priceless.

I also expect at ths point to exit this world without a nickel to my name, but then, that's how I entered it, too.


Posted by: -bc- | November 25, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

If you have lived a righteous life bc the check for your coffin is supposed to bounce..

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 25, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Well, I guess schools having the whole day off makes sense. I hadn’t thought of the traffic aspect and my daughter who works in a school, says that the kids aren’t paying attention anyway the day before a holiday. I think I’m just jealous.

It sounds like you have a great family time coming this weekend, bc.

Posted by: badsneakers | November 25, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, the bird has been spatchcocked and salted, and is now resting comfortably in post-op. I will shortly enshroud him (her?) in wrap and replace her (him?) in the fridge.

It was kind of a weird feeling there for a few minutes, cutting ol' tom in half down the middle. I felt kinship with him (her), having been basically spatchcoked myself when I had my bypass surgery. (Of course, no one cut mylegs and wings off.) (Not that I had wings in the first place, mind you.) (Crap. You know what I mean.)

Kim e-mailed me that sage and onion recipe, which looks very close to my grandmother's. I'll see if she'll give me permission to post it, if she herself doesn't do so.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 25, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Yo, bc. A friend of mine signs off her emails with this caption:

"I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it left."

Another one, though, signs off with "Life Lessons From Literature" which may include:

Don't go onto the Moors (Wuthering)


Always check the attic (Eyre)


Don't look in the lumber-room (Grey)

Very funny and allusive.

Posted by: Yoki | November 25, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Meant to add that I think Obama's move to keep Gates as DefSec for a year or so is an interesting one. It'll keep continutiy in places that depserately need it while the overall game plan for the wars undergoes changes in direction.

I'd like to believe that this shows a good bit of humility and the willingess to leave egos aside on both parties' parts, rather than a throwing up of hands.


Posted by: -bc- | November 25, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Don't you just love Curmudgeon? I do!

Posted by: Yoki | November 25, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Hi all. I literally ache from kneading the dough for our noodles, but I thought I'd check in, now that I've poured a glass of chardonnay.

SciTim - my bet is that she will be delighted to hear from you.

mostly and bad sneakers - I'm with you! I don't know what it says about me, but I laughed when I read that about Ann Coulter. I feel kind of rotten, but she drove me to it.

Here is Aunt Anna's Sage and Onion recipe. (I'm thinking of CP as I write this...I KNOW she has an Aunt Anna in her family tree - Irish, Catholic to her marrow, schoolteacher, never married, lived to her late '80's. Basically, she was a pistol)

4 medium onions
8 cups coarse stale bread crumbs
2 tsp rubbed sage
1 tsp salt
1/2 tsp pepper
1/4 cup melted butter
1 egg, slightly beaten

Pour boiling water over onions and let stand 5 mins. Drain and rinse with cold water. Cover with more boiling water and cook over moderate heat until tender, about 20 minutes. Drain onions; place between towels to squeeze all moisture. Chop onions finely. Toss together onion, bread crumbs, sage, salt and pepper. Blend in butter and egg. Cover and keep cold until ready to stuff.

(the "keep cold" thing makes me wonder how old the recipe is- Aunt Anna died in 1970 and lived in Illinois her whole life) Pretty basic, but it's really good.

As I told Mudge, I don't stuff the turkey, not from any fear, but because I'm too lazy.
I put it in a glass lasagna pan and drizzle it with chicken broth. I've used homemade broth and store bought and don't find that it makes a difference. I cover it with foil and bake in a 375 degree oven for about 30-45 minutes (I'm not good about times and amounts...I wing it a lot) and then remove the foil and bake until I like the way it looks, sort of crispy around the edges...YMMV. (did I use that right?)

I also told Mudge that my culinary theory is that if it's good - it's BETTER with bacon, so I toss in 6-7 crispy pieces of bacon and have occasionally thrown in some coarsely chopped celery.

Anyway, Aunt Anna was very young at heart and somehow, I think she'd get a kick out of me posting this recipe.

dbG - I meant to say how much I enjoyed your "leave the Cannoli" story...too funny!

cassandra - thanks for your timely reminder of the real meaning of this holiday. You are an inspiration to me.

ok, I think that's enough boodle hogging.

Posted by: Kim1 | November 25, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Kim's recipe sounds very much like my grandmother's, except that my grandmother would cie up about two or three stalks of celery, and add that and some parsley.

I can't wait to try it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 25, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Kim that recipe sounds like the one my mom made for years, until she started to make "fancy" stuffings, never had the heart to tell her I preferred the bread crumbs and sage.

I think mom might have added raisins - she put raisins in a lot of her recipes, we always had boxes or bags of raisins in the house. Like you most of her repices she would just wing it, which is why I have very few of them, sadly.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 25, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Mrs D step-grand mother had an onion and sage stuffing recipe I liked very much. She's getting a little fragile at 93-94 yo but I'll ask if it her stuffing fit Kim's recipe somewhat. She worked most of her life (she married with granpa Simon in her early 60s) as a Catholic sacristy maid in New Hampshire and Maine for Franco priests, she may have taken the recipe from the locals.

Are you getting heat from animal lover Mudge? Last year Witch no.1 was disturbed by my spatchcocking of the turkey. The cutting of the backbone (with a sharp, rigid deboning knife) didn't raise any alarm but the manual dislocation of the thighs, drumsticks and wings got me in trouble. The noise effect was a bit much maybe.
It snows again, are we in for a repeat of last year? I hope not.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 25, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Spatchcocked roadkill:
Serve hot with spatula-- mmm,
Dinner for shrieking!

Sounds like a great dinner to me!

-- Wilbrodog--

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 26, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

say goodbye to Tuesday....heard this on the way home right after midnight.I just love the slide guitar on this,but somebody must teach this person how to spell Lynyrd Skynyrd

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 26, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

I know that Fox and Friends is probably not morning show of choice in this venue but I have it from usually unreliable source that the Georgia Tech Marching Band will be making an appearance on said show in six or seven hours for now. Which means I have to go to sleep now if I have any chance of catching it in person.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 26, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. The dawn patrol will take off from a slippery airfield, some more snow fell. It's a perfect day for a snowball fight though. The knitters against the cooks?

Let's get cooking you muricans.

Unicorns are having a rough time in the Arctic.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 26, 2008 5:54 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Yes, that's a sad story about the narwhales, SD.

Not a lot on the front page or op-ed this morning. Kathleen Parker has one of those annual columns pointing out that a vast majority of Americans don't know doodley about the Constitution, or history, and what-not. Parker seems to be carving out a niche for herself, writing provocative pieces that will ensure a zillion letters and e-mails of outrage against her.

And yes, let the cooking begin!

Actually, I'm pretty bummed out this morning. Found out yesterday that for something like the 20th year in a row, I failed to make People Magazine's Sexiest Man Alive cover. What, are they BLIND???? OK, I admit Hugh Jacman is not exactly a "bad" choice, but still.

No, no, don't try to make me feel better. I'll just have to suck it up and deal with it.



OK, my peeps, let us get these here airplanes launched into the Wild Dark Yonder. Brag, you got my six, as always? Good man. Scotty? Cassandra? Yoki? (How'd your Hellday go yesterday?) yello? Who's on board this morning? C'mon, there's piping hot coffee and muffins in the Ready Room.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 26, 2008 6:20 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning all, for your pre-Thanksgiving amusement I give you this, click on the video for the Toronto Zoo.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 26, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, as “S” can attest, I find humor very sexy.. So any man who can make my laugh is on my ‘sexy’ list. You make me laugh so therefore...

Posted by: badsneakers | November 26, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Good point Badsneakers and Mudge cooks as well!

Posted by: dmd2 | November 26, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm here, Mudge! Assign me anything you need me to do.

Actually, I made a list of the tasks I must accomplish today to ensure that tomorrow runs smoothly. We will only be eight: Mr. T, the dottirs, and I, my brother and sister-in-law and the 8-year-old twins. Such a relief! Last year we were 12, which strained the capacity of the dining room. We've seated as many as 16, but that requires separate tables, which isn't nearly as fun.

It's a chilly 25 here, and the frost looks like a young snow. Certainly the water in the birdbath is frozen. No complaints from me, I like seasonal weather.

Posted by: slyness | November 26, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all. Although I am not on Mudge's role call, I've fed the birds and now am about to bake the pecan/maple pies folks in our families always ask for.

Kim, your dressing recipe sounds similar to one that I learned from my MIL, but we saute' the onions and celery in a little butter to soften them before adding the bread and sage and fresh parsley. (and skip the boiling water step) Sometimes I add some of the cooked, chopped giblets and broth to the dressing, but not always. Sometimes I use some of the giblets and broth in the gravy, but not always. I use the same large, dark enamel roasting pan to make the gravy that I cooked the turkey in. Usually skim off some of the fat, then mix up the hot water and flour and salt & pepper and commence to heat and thicken and darken until I have a very thick, rich, dark gravy. I suppose if one could count the gravy as a side, it would be my favorite. Pour it on the turkey, potatoes, dressing, sweet potatoes, rolls, whatever.

bc my mother makes the potato casserole you speak of, it's her favorite thing to make for holidays.

Mudge, I make the corn pudding, but I am a purist and do not add the cheese which seems to be popular up here. It just doesn't taste right (although good) with the cheese.

Within the family, many make the home made potato rolls, my oldest son has learned, it is important not to lose these traditions and teach them to the next generation.

Cassandra, as always, thank you for your thoughts and prayers.

Posted by: VintageLady | November 26, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Reporting for duty, 'Mudge. Late but willing.

We worked through most of our issues, and we press 'send' and send our project off in 5 hours and 54 seconds. And very glad to launch it I am, too.

Enjoy all your cooking and prep, Boodle. I think there is something particularly satisfying about getting ready for people you love.

Oh, and just a reminder of the IPBH next Wednesday at 5:30 (is that the right time, TBG?) A week today I'll be in DC, and look forward to seeing some friends there.

Posted by: Yoki | November 26, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

Have to take daughter #2 to the dentist this AM, will check in later.

The Patrol Planes are warmed up, the wheels unchocked -- let 'em rip, folks!

[bc heads for the coffee and muffins]


Posted by: -bc- | November 26, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Kim, Your Anna would have been my Katie. Pistol and lived for several years in an insane asylum. Think she was rather spirited for the times.

Faxing sage to everyone; fresh clipped from the yard.

Suddenly I am off to take non driving neighbor to the store. Hope her list is short and the crowds not there.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

slyness, I can't think of anything better than being eight at Thanksgiving... Oh, you meant PEOPLE! *smacking forehead* :-)

'Mudge, I have it on good authority there was a very strong write-in effort to People on your behalf. Damn hidebound editorial staff and their rules...

The Dawn Patrol runway was far more crowded than expected, but it seems the folks in the tower left early. Ratzinfratzin signal delays...

bc, I'd keep the tiara on the down-low... Certain offspring (OK, all of them) would want to "share," I'm sure.

So nice to see the Karma Fairy gave us one more reason to give thanks -- no Coulter-ish utterings this weekend. *faxin' santa an extra plate of cookies to counteract bein' ever-so-slightly bad*

And this is simultaneously sad (at the need demonstrated) and uplifting (at the ability of some to help):


*can't-quite-figure-out-why-but-thinkin'-it's-gonna-be-a-quick-workday-and-not-minding-a-bit Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 26, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Boodlers!

Been delayed by pirates this morning and some weirdness in Georgia.

Pirate mothership sunk by Indian frigate turns out to be a Thai owned ship. Only one crewman survived.

In Georgia, a former ambassador stated Georgia planned attack on South Osetia with American aproval.

One must keep in mind that Saakashvili has strong links to Neo-cons.

Posted by: Braguine | November 26, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Good morning folks... as usual I was here for dawn patrol but backboodling takes time. And I had an entire day's worth of backboodling because I spent yesterday with my niece and great-niece so the new daddy could return for one full day of work. I've seen the little one now three times in her two short weeks of life outside the womb and I see great leaps and bounds of development each time.

Yesterday was her first day of real face-gazing. She just looked up at whoever was holding her and studied hard to figure out "just who or what is that?" A miracle, if you ask me.

I love my roll as Acting Yia Yia as my sister can't miss any more work right now and be exactly where she wants to be... in her daughter's living room holding her new granddaughter. I'm thinking there's a reason I lost my job when I did... having the time to help out like this is a gift for me that I just didn't expect. Life is beautiful.

Kids here have half a day off school today. That way, it gets counted but nothing's expected of anyone. We're going to my sister's house tomorrow where there will be 18 of us, including the new baby, both of her sets of grandparents and a nephew's new, seems-very-serious girlfriend. To be honest, I'll be with my favorite 17 people in the whole world.

I'm going to make the asparagus with mushroom ragout from this week's Food section...

Posted by: -TBG- | November 26, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Well, son and I are heading down south to rejoin the wife and daughter at the in-laws.

I tell ya, when you move across the continent and marry the only child of an only child, Thanksgiving family get-togethers can be a little anticlimatic.

But we'll still have fun.

And let me say that I am forever thankful for the friends, both imaginary and otherwise, that I have made here on the Achenblog. There are days when this place is the only thing that has kept me sane.

Or at least close.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 26, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

The dry-salting is obviously the way to go. Thanks!

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 26, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, RD... you are very right... as usual. Have a safe trip and lots of fun with the family. We'll keep the Boodle Fires burning here for you when you return.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 26, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. I'm hitting the Dawn Patrol pretty late. The walking is gruesome, and the weather is a bit cold. I crawled in the bathtub afterwards, and now in the process of getting ready to hit the door.

Not much on tap for today, just the radio program and the soup kitchen. And I have to start the kitchen works. My car isn't outside so I have to run that down this morning. I hope my daughter is on her way.

Slyness, Mudge, Scotty, Martooni, and Yoki, what's up folks? A good morning to all.*waving* Yoki, with all that good food, the Dawn Patrol needs you! Of course, we love just as you are.

Have a great day, folks. Hope the cooking is going well. Sneaks, I didn't want to laugh about Coulter, but it just seems kind of funny. Maybe smile, and not laugh, yet the laugh is in the heart so I can't get away with that one.(smile)

TBG, don't you just love that "baby smell", ah, the wonder of new life. Enjoy your family.

Time to hit the road.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 26, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Here's that quiz Kathleen Parker mentioned:

Some real toughies in there, so I have to credit some luck for my 93.94% score.


Posted by: Scottynuke | November 26, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

You're in good company, Scotty. 93.94% here, too. And I *knew* without looking which ones I got wrong.

Here's a head-scratcher: I've had my turkey thawing in the fridge since Saturday afternoon. I checked it this morning, and it's still pretty frozen. And it's only 12 pounds. According to Kim O'Donnell, three days should do it--I'm now on Day Four and will probably have to put it in the sink for a while tonight. (Don't tell anyone at the CDC 'k?)

Posted by: Raysmom | November 26, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm in the Boodle, Raysmom, so OF COURSE I'm in good company! :-)

And use a big, CLEAN bucket in the tub to thaw the turkey -- easier to change the water frequently.

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 26, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Same score as you, Scotty and Raysmom, 31 out of 33. Missed the National Levee question (and dispute the answer) and the very last question, on taxes. Didn't like that one, either.

While I agree with Parker's overall assessment of the general intelligence of the public (woeful), I'm not sure this test was a very good one for that purpose. There were a couple here that were NOT what I would regard as good civics class questions.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Rats. I missed the question about the Anti-Federalists. 96.97%

Now. Do I want to polish the flatware or make cornbread first? Since I think the buttermilk is still somewhat frozen, I'll start with the flatware.

Posted by: slyness | November 26, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Good for you two, Scotty & Sneakers. I came in with 84.85 %, which I'm OK with. The ones I missed, well two them, I should not have, tho.

Posted by: VintageLady | November 26, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Gee whiz, slyness!!!!

Posted by: VintageLady | November 26, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

A little late, but yello, as long as you didn't include longing references to that night on the couch after the prom and tell her you've thought about it every day of your life since then, you're probably okay. RD is right, too, as always.

Kim, you crack me up. I've had sausage stuffing, but never bacon stuffing.

I'm going to out myself. Today is my birthday and I'm working. . . I hate technology!

Have a good prep day, everyone!

Posted by: -dbG- | November 26, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, 'Mudge, that levee question didn't have any answers that included Led Zeppelin, so...

And I just read the Goldsmith op-ed, and I'm confused... Sounds an AWFUL lot like a version of "I was just following orders and I was told it was legal" to me.

But whadda I know?

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 26, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday, dbG!!!!

Posted by: VintageLady | November 26, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

*faxin' confetti and champagne flutes filled with workplace-appropriate ginger ale to dbG* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 26, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Happy Birthday, dbG!! Ya should said something earlier; I'd have baked you a virtual cake, or bought you a virtual piece of bling (not that you need any jewelry yourself, what with your hobby).

Let's see, still age 29, I assume? (A gentleman may not pursue this line of questioning further).

I didn't like the Goldsmith, either, Scotty. And I seldom buy into this "it would reveal National Security questions, so you'll just have to take my word for it that you shouldn't investigate what I did..." BS, either.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Happy birthday dbG! Many happy returns of the day! *feeling like a terrible friend*

Posted by: Yoki | November 26, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

No, no, thank you! You are all wonderful friends.

Yoki, no worries. I couldn't tell you when yours is either (the karma fairy gets all of us sooner or later).

Posted by: -dbG- | November 26, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Happy birthday, dbG! And here's wishing for many more happy ones for you!

VintageLady, I *do* have a master's in public administration. I have no excuse for not doing well on that quiz!

I love the Internet! Am polishing the silver by soaking it in hot water with Oxyclean on aluminum foil. So much easier and less smelly than using silver polish!

Posted by: slyness | November 26, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

87.88% How enbareassing. I'll just have to plead Canadian.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 26, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

96.97 also. Another reason I like Sly.

I have bundled and tightly tied my turkey in a fresh trashbag and immersed it in the bathtub in cold water before...

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 26, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Jumper, I told you not to watch "24" for turkey tips...

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 26, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I forgot to mention that a little brown sugar on oatmeal has made some doubters into true believers.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 26, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

*snort* Scotty. Another scene:

"Jack, you're supposed to thaw the turkey in the fridge."

"There's no TIME for that! Hand me that blowtorch."

"No Jack! There must be a better way!"

"If we don't thaw this thing immediately, the terrorists win!"

Posted by: Raysmom | November 26, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I just can't hep mahsef sometimes, Raysmom... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 26, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

There is a better way to quickly reduce foreclosures and credit defaults, give lenders more money and increase housing values.

Here’s how it works.

The government takes the 800 billion dollars they plan to give to the financial institutes, and pay off as many bad mortgages as they can.

When they do this, here is what will happen:
1. As each loan is paid off, the bank or mortgage lender will have that money to loan to other borrowers.

2. The bank or mortgage lender will have one less BAD loan on its books. As more and more bad loans are paid off the bank will have fewer defaults and projected losses, and should be able to manage their business without government help. After all, if only 2 or 3 percent of a bank’s portfolio consists of bad loans, it should be easily able to handle that.

3. The homeowner now has no mortgage to pay. What do you think the homeowner will do? Well, the homeowner has been struggling with bills for months, if not years. He has put off fixing the house, buying a car, buying clothes, taking a vacation, etc. Now that there is no mortgage to pay, he will be out there doing these things. He will be putting money into the system to catch up.

If the homeowner puts some of the money in the bank, that will just give the bank more money to lend.

4. For each loan paid off by the government, there will be one less home in foreclosure or looking to be sold. As the inventory of available homes goes down, the competition for the remaining homes goes up, and so will the price of homes.

Now, I know that a lot of people will say that this will give money to flakes and people who don’t deserve it. Also they will ask how to choose these people and that those who don’t get their mortgage paid off will be angry.

There needs to be some rules to the selection process.
First, the homeowner must be living in the home, and should not own more than one home. Multiple homes can be a sign of an investor. This money should only go to families that earn their living from hard work and not investing.

Second, the homeowner must be either in default, or have one of those bad loans where the interest rate has kept going up and is putting the homeowner in jeopardy. As fewer of these homeowners can be found, then the criteria can be expanded to include others.

Third, the major breadwinner in the home must have a job. Why is this important? Because the purpose of this process is to have the homeowner stay in the home and use the money they were paying for the mortgage to buy other things.

In conclusion, fix the problem from the bottom up. Don’t give money to banks so they can buy other banks and give big bonuses. Banks won’t spend money.

Posted by: isaacsonj | November 26, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Good morning y'all. Happy birthday, dbG! So sorry you have to work. Did I tell you the story of the IT person who got mad at his law firm, erased the servers, changed the passwords, and took the backups? Or maybe you've heard that one. . . .

Badsneakers used "ort"! I'm impressed. I've never seen a real person, even a real imaginary person, use "ort" in a sentence. Now I'm going to look for the opportunity. Badsneakers, you're an inspiration.

I too got 32 of 33 - 96.97% - on the quiz. I admit, I thought some of the answers suffered from a teeny bias so I took the source and wording of the questions into account - except, clearly, on the one I missed.

I am home today. The Boy is out as well.
The wheels of government have turned so smoothly without me for most of the first two days of the week, I thought they might as well continue for another half day. I want to be careful, though, that nobody notices how well things go in my absence.

Safe travels to everyone getting on the road or in the skies today.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 26, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I'll file this under 'Local punter makes good.'

Posted by: Boko999 | November 26, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse


Have the happy happies on your Bee day!

Posted by: Braguine | November 26, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Random House editor and author David Ebershoff, in his own words, at his website, about how he learned the story of the 19th wife:

"I first heard about Ann Eliza Young while editing a book for the Modern Library. A scholar of 19th century women’s history mentioned her to me in passing. She was making a point about the long tradition of personal memoirs in American publishing, but I thought to myself, Who is this woman known as the 19th wife? What does it mean to be a 19th wife? I couldn't get the idea out of my head."

What Ebershoff has done in his work of historical fiction is tell the story of not one 19th wife, but two: a present-day 19th wife living in a Utah community of Firsts (those Mormons who have not abandoned the practice of polygamy) and an historical approximation of the story of Ann Eliza Young, the 19th wife of LDS prophet Brigham Young.

The contemporary 19th wife is in jail and alleged to have murdered her husband, and her son Jordan, one of The Lost Boys, abandoned several years earlier by the roadside at the age of 14 because of the competition among the elder men in the compound for the young girls, arrives from Pasadena, Calif., to solve the whodunnit, as only Jordan truly can.

The 19th wife, however, is really a codeword, meaning the most recent wife, the young wife in whom the polygamist husband is most sexually interested. And fairly well-known, Brigham Young had more wives than his documented 19 wives.

When Ebershoff spoke at the Texas Book Festival, he explained that he wrote the contemporary murder mystery first, and then edited it so that he could weave in the historical story. The final result is a masterful effort of interleaving.

Dull storyteller Ebershoff is not, thanks to his use of creative voices that forward the tale. "Documents" (written by Ebershoff) pepper the novel: newspaper articles, the letters, the Introduction by Harriet Beecher Stowe, the Wikipedia entry. The novel also includes Mormon founder Joseph Smith, President Ulysses S. Grant, Ann Eliza Young's booking agent on the lecture circuit, James B. Pond, and Victoria Woodhull, the first woman to run for president of the United States.

Posted by: laloomis | November 26, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Happy birthday, dbG! And happy Unbirthday to everyone else.

Posted by: Raysmom | November 26, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

One of Ebershoff's tales about his research is entertaining as well. During a trip to a First community along the Utah-Arizona area, he entered a grocery story to observe women and children and eavesdrop on conversations. He ended up being herded or escorted from the polygamist town by the local sheriff. Really, Ebershoff and CNN reporter Gary Tuchman ought to sit down and swap stories some day.

Ebershoff certainly caused me to do some more research on the three daughters of Squire Loomis (Squire a brother to my great-great-grandfather Thomas): Elizabeth Loomis Shurtliff, Lucy Loomis Tuttle Andrus, and Maria Loomis Dewey. All three were at Winter Quarters, and each handled the proposition of plural marriage differently. Lucy was approached by Brigham Young to be one of his plural wives, according to the Loomis genealogy tome.

Ebershoff did make two recommendations at the end of his own presentation in Austin. For readers who love nested stories, British writer David Mitchell's "Cloud Atlas" and an upcoming work about the evolution of Abraham Lincoln's political thinking and his moral development (just when you thought there was nothing more a writer could write about Abe), that Ebershoff recently completed editing, by Ronald C. White, Jr., due this spring.

And where does my friend Linda fit into this?

Posted by: laloomis | November 26, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

dribble is it basketball season already?

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 26, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

More "Back to the Future" announcements for the transition:


Posted by: Scottynuke | November 26, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

OK, now I'm peeved...

People are going to rank the "10 Worst Highways in the United States," and they pick on US ROUTE 1 in Maine????? Between Portland and Bangor???

Ridiculous. *fuming*

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 26, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Once again my general licentious reputation has caused confusion. I haven't looked up any high school sweethearts in years because I married one.

I spent the morning hanging out in front of the Fox News Building. I saw Gretchen Carlson and Steve Doocy.

I also snagged some half price tickets to Young Frankenstein (what knockers!). Then we are treating our son to a steak dinner tonight to fortify him for his 2:15 dress call to rehearse and prep for the parade.

So I have an excuse for missing Dawn Patrol this morning.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 26, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

A little pointless noodling around brought me this ever-green sprig from the writing of Hunter S. Thompson:

It turns out that Thompson didn't like Richard Nixon very much. Go figure.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 26, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

LOL, gwe.

Tim, Thompson was notorious for his hatred of Nixon. And his obit of Nixon is justly famous (your link).

"If the right people had been in charge of Nixon's funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral was illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin."

Jeez, I wish I'd written that. Brings a tear to my eye.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Quiz question one for the TDays: name a boodler likely to see wild turkeys. Note the plural: we means the boids not the elixir of life.

Food report: Faux Sour Cherry Pie ala Mudge in the oven. Nearly done. Joined by a pumpkin pie that relies on a pre-made crust. Fie up me, mostly because I used fork tines to squish the crust in a resemblance of homemade. I expect the food fairies to hold this against me mightily.

Pans of stuffing ready to go in after pie. I put a pan of water under them, to help with the moisture bath that internal turkey provides.

Cranberry relish done yesterday. Tomorrow, the boird, the taters, the beans comma green-steamed. No Durkees/Campbell's Cream of Mushroom Soup for me. I am already in trouble about the pie crust. Oh yes, one crust is homemade, and it really looks it. But Mudge's puckerlicious TM filling will coup that surely.

No brining; no pre-salting. Just a rube with olive oil and dash of kosher salt. Five clementines to the empty cavities. I have a huge needle syringe to piece-baste.

Loving to hear about other foods and strategies. Such indulgence and no calories....I image heaven as partly such a feast, a glorious feast. And, in heaven, all are invited, all feted, and fed. Amen.n May we help usher in this generous, peaceable kingdom here and now.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

FIE ON ME!; and please, follow that up with pie.

About pumpkin: if you have not done this up yet, consider the Swedish secret. A dash of cardamom will take your spice melange to a new high.

Frost and FirstTimeBlogger already know this, I trust.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Peaceable kingdom revisited.

Fava beans and a nice Chianti anyone?

Posted by: -tao- | November 26, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Free, I'm free!! (Running around the room banging a pot with a wooden spoon like Steve Martin in _Dirty, Rotten Scoundrels_.)

The specific tasks I was working on today require dummy files from someone else, and we've just agreed Friday morning is plenty early to have the parts ready.

Time to get ready for lunch with friends of 43 years duration.

Raysmom, :-)

Ivansmom, it's a constant temptation, another reason why we have disaster recovery servers (although administrators seeking vengeance isn't one of our test scenarios).

Last night I told another friend/colleague that sometimes I think of winning the lottery just so when our company's wealth management department courts me to let them handle the money, I can tell them no and it's because I dislike my boss' boss management style so much.

Surely there are better reasons to dream of winning the lottery.

Posted by: -dbG- | November 26, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

A rube with olive oil...

*struggling mightily not to rise to the bait*


Posted by: Scottynuke | November 26, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

HippoBirdie to dbG.

Hey, shout out to Gene Weinies: Column about happiness and hobbies by Gina Barreca. How many others here wondered if she was real?

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, Scotty....did that intentionally for your joy. Not bc, of course, that would be

Dude with Olive Oil

A still life painting by Michangelo Dante O'Keefe.....

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Fie on thee not, CqP! Ne'er fie on thee, prithee.

Great WaPo headline on a movie review: The main hed is "Transporter 3: Crash, Crash, Crash." And the wonderful deck hed: "You Were Expecting King Lear?"

Cardamon, huh? *scribbling note to self, but wondering how a sweater will improve a pie recipe. Oh, well.*

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Happy, happy birthday, dbG! No more working today!

I got 96.97 on the quiz also...several stabs in the dark worked out for me. That's not the right metaphor, is it?

To complement SciTim's Thompson post about Nixon (which was fabulous) I want to post Joe Klein's blog piece about the lamest of all lame ducks. Not written nearly so well as Thompson's piece, of course, but I thought "paralytic incompetence and overweening arrogance" deserves a tear from Mudge as well.

I'm going to go pick up the faithful beagle from his grooming (we want him smelling good and looking fine for our guests, of course) and then back to the kitchen. If I don't make it back to the boodle for a while I want to wish you all a lovely Thanksgiving, in case I didn't already do that.

Posted by: Kim1 | November 26, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I know, CquaP, I know, and I'm oh-so-very thankful for you and the rest of the Boodle.

As I've just been informed the office is closing early, I wish you all a safe, happy, drama-free Thanksgiving and a great weekend!

*off-to-the-train-and-hoping-the-crowds-won't-be-too-bad Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 26, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I think I have ADD-,8599,1862307,00.html

Posted by: Kim1 | November 26, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The feds have been freed!? Yeah. NASA peeps due to arrive in neighborhood soon. U-Peeps let go at noon.

2008: The great turkey-trot-car lot on the beltway and spokes begins. I believe that the holiday season is in full swing now.

Take care, y'll.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

We just got word that all the Feds are excused at 2:30, but -- according to the various rules and contracts -- us contractors have to stay.

See, the thing is, I'm the team lead. And as such, I am also aware that there is a rule that contractors are NOT allowed to work unsupervised with a Fed being present (unreliable wretches that we are).

Oh, what to do, what to to resolve this apparent dilemma, this contradiction in rules? What do I tell my team? Lemme think, lemme think...

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

CP, I can really relate to Gina's article. I'm pretty sure I don't have any hobbies. I read, but not obsessively. I know a little about wine, but mostly which under-$20 bottles are tastiest. I love dogs, but not all of them (or so I found out when working with rescue dogs). I garden, but just so that my yard looks nice and I have fresh 'maters. I knit, but only to keep my hands out of the chip bag after dinner. I don't collect dolls, bells, or figurines of any sort. I used to ski, but now value my knee ligaments more. I boodle, but only when things are quiet at work.

Posted by: Raysmom | November 26, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

SCC: withOUT a Fed being present.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday, dBG.

Volcker? *That's* interesting.

And inspirational...
More later.

As far as dealing with a frozen turkey in a Thanksgiving emergency situation, I'd consider cutting it into pieces with a sawzall and dealing with them that way.

Sawzalls are a lot less messy than chainsaws in this situation, trust me.


Posted by: -bc- | November 26, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Raysmom -- you are a Lebenskunstler! German for life-artist. Tha tis the whole point of art, anyway, to help us enter more deeply into life.

So, you have a five dollar word for your very-self that is like Weltanschauung or
Wissenschaft or

You know, if there is a German g&5FST6%$3e4-garbled word, it MUST be true.

Don't forget;

kick A$$ Ra$$pberry Pie maker, etc.

And, COTR-Empress, too.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

The old flame responded positively this morning, and we have exchanged some emails.

No, I am not chasing after her to rekindle old sparks or anything like that.

33/33 on the civics test. Yes, I am your Daddy. Did anyone look up the table comparing the results for ordinary citizens vs. elected officials? It's very sad. On almost every question, ordinary citizens outperform those who have been elected to make and enforce law and public policy. Oh, dear.

And now, we are off to purchase a new saxophone mouthpiece. Later, Boodle!

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 26, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I am faxing my papal dispensation paraphernalia to use. And, a set of entrails (plastic but boy do they ever look real) plus some (real) bone; let me know if you need some plastic-coated, extra-easy Tarot cards. I think that RD took the Black Magic Secret Decoder Government-issue Eight-Ball with him. Darn it. If I have told him once....consult at the Magic Station out back. Leave all materials alone for the next needer of sacramental, etc.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

CP, you are too kind! Thank you improver of young minds, bicycle traveler, Montana maven, rhubarb afficionado, poodle rescuer, charity goddess.

Posted by: Raysmom | November 26, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Why, thank you, CqP. When I shook my own Magic Eight-Ball, it played "Boogie-oogie-oogie." I think it was trying to tell me something.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Raysmom, why thank you! I love your monikers for me. The boodle thing is real, isn't. You got me scribbled down and I resemble it.

To the Canoockies: we are thinking of you. Remember, your T-day is first. You will always have that.

I am thinking about having your T-day as well. We could start a Northern Hemisphere trend: two Thanksgiving Days are better than one.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

issacsonj, I applaud your courage for posting an on-topic comment this close to a four-day weekend. It shows an admirable ability to focus.

Also, I agree with you. I was saying something like that this morning, in a discussion of FDR and the Great Depression compared to our current situation. There was an article in the NYTimes that pointed out the failures of some of the New Deal programs. But I argued, FDR was right to create jobs and distribute the money "bottom-up" as you advocate. Even if that didn't make the Depression go away, a person with a job was less concerned about whether there was a Depression or not.

On the other hand, as has been pointed out by many, our current approach selects banks which were so bad at making loans that they ran themselves into the ground, and gives them money to make more loans. Something's wrong with that picture.

Posted by: kbertocci | November 26, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Excellent idea, CqP. And if we include Mexico we could have, like, Cinco de Poutinegiving Day.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon, Boodle!

Happy birthday, dbG!

The cranberry sauce is chilling, the pies are done, the stuffing is made, and the marinade/injection is resting.

Sweet potatoes are the last item on the to-do list, other than injecting the turkey later tonight.


Tomorrow, all I have to cook is the mashed potatoes and the mac and cheese. Everything else is ready for the oven!

Oh, I might want to cook the turkey too.

Posted by: Moose13 | November 26, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

KB- thanks for pointing out IssacsonJ post. I missed it along all the cardomon dust. IJ -- come back, and say more.

Mudge -- getta outa there! I gave you a dispensation, buddy. Stay if you must but write a pome or two.

And, poutine is Frenchie -- SD is likely fuming. We can go into a great thing with Halloween (ghosts and baddie spirits) and All Saint's and All Soul's with our Mexican Americans. Just think: marzipan skeletons and mariachi music, served up with enchiladas and tamales with mole sauce. Chili verde for dinner. hot chocolate laced with powdered Ancho chilies.....but not a poutine in sight.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Moose, you are just up the way from me. I imagine putting the tkey in the oven and then biking to Lake Artemesia to meet you for a fast trot around the lake.

Tell more about the injection marinade. I squirt cider vinegar in, alternating with drippings......I am in a panic as i cannot find my syringe. Came from my granddad's medical bag. He started out as a country doc circa 1907 or so.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Afternoon all
Happy Bithday dbG and many more. I am running late today and told work I would be in late.What nerve making me work on Turkey day.Brother #2 is having turkey day to welcome his son back from AFA and get this he is expecting 65 people.3 birds and a ham and all the other stuff.i am sure he need a couple of cold malted beverages come tomorrow night.

No spotting of wild turkeys today,but I did see many a deer around and in my yard.We had a mess of rotten bananas at work and I brought them home to feed the deer.I saw one deer with a whole banana in his mouth,pretty funny looking.

Well off to a little while.

Have a Great day everyone!!!

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 26, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

isaacsonj, kbert, I don't think it's an either/or proposition. Rescue of individuals and rescue of corporations go hand in hand. If the Corps have money to lend, but no one qualifies for loans due to no jobs, what's the point? Likewise, rescuing the individual while letting the Corp fails may mean the individual loses his/her job. Or letting a major corporation fail may undermine individual confidence, resulting in fewer purchases, resulting in more corporations failing, more jobs lost, etc. etc. etc.

Hope this made sense, although it may sound like my brain has been soaking in some of that turkey brine.

Posted by: Raysmom | November 26, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Oooh! I know this! I know this! Pick me, CP.

Voted most likely to see a wild turkey is our own GentlemanGWE, no?

Posted by: Yoki | November 26, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse


Yoki got it right: Mr. GWE qua Country Gentleman sees turkeys like the rest of might see squirrels.

Yoki, did you know that Ben Franklin wanted this bird on our seals rather than the eagle?

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I second Kbertocci's comment about issacsonj. It was a well-thought-out post and under the circumstances shows an admirable discipline of mind. I agree that giving banks large sums of money so they can buy other banks and continue to pay stockholder (shareholder?) dividends wasn't really what I was thinking of when I thought "rescue". My main concern is that the mortgage difficulties are so complex. I do worry about who will identify the homeowners in question and administer the program, but that's just my natural distrust kicking in.

Mudge, clearly you must stay at the office but may not work. Are there any anti-scorbutics available, and do you have access to YouTube? Party on, dudes and dudettes.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 26, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Would my boss be considered a wild turkey for making me work on turkey day?

Hey Yoki!!! How are things up there.The Chinook still blowin?

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 26, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I am just dropping by to say hi and tell you that I clicked in from the official Joel Achenbach Wikipedia entry. I was actually there, no offense to your dear leader, to look up guitar info on Kevin. No luck. Maybe it is the David D. connection?!

Happy Birthdays and Hi ALL!

Posted by: russianthistle | November 26, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Alas, yesterday afternoon our traffic manager handed me a 300-page edit job that has to be done by Tuesday. And anyway, the first bus doesn't come by until 3, and itll be full of Feds, so no seats. So I'm stuck here until 3:30 at the earliest.

Plus...truth be told, we're all kinda workaholics here. Me, too. And I can't really leave while my troops stay, so...

I'm tryin' to shoo 'em out the door, but a couple of 'em won't go.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Now singing the tune of

Wild Turkeys Couldn't Drive me Away!
Wild, Wild Turkeys ...... from the Rolling Stones _Sticky Fingers_ album.

Always seemed a Neil Young song.

Howdy, RussianThistle

(Waiting for the cardamom-pumpkin pie to set: three test stabs already)

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Hi russianthistle (aka Dolphin Michael). Happy thanksgiving.

I was out and about and picked up lunch from a great Vietnamese sandwich shop (plain croissant sandwiches for the guys, barbecue pork and shrimp spring rolls for me). I also got croissants fresh from the oven. Yum. The only thing keeping me on the baking schedule, as opposed to the nap detour, is the Thai iced tea with tapioca. Sugary caffiene is our friend.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 26, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Mom, where did you get the sandwich? I am trying to get a friend with a restaurant here to start selling them for lunch.

Posted by: russianthistle | November 26, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

CP ... need a taster?

Posted by: russianthistle | November 26, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I have a medical question for the Boodle. Sunday afternoon Ivansdad fell and hurt his ankle. It swelled up considerably. He wrapped it, put some ice on it, took ibuprofen, and kept off it as much as he could, considering he was rehearsing. That night he slept with it wrapped, and the next morning he woke with considerable black, purple & blue bruising. He has continued to elevate it and keep off it as much as he can. It is still swollen, hurts to touch (though he can bear some weight on it) and the bruising is worse and now extends down to his toes. He asked me if he should worry. My opinion was of course he should worry, there might be a stress fracture or similar animal given the bruising. Were I he I'd see a medical professional. I told him I'd ask the Boodle. Collectively, the Boodle knows everything.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 26, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Yup, could be a hairline or stress fracture in there somewhere. He needs an X-ray. The clue is three days later, it hasn't gotten better, and maybe worse. That ain't no bruise.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

That'll be $328.00. See the girl at the window on your way out.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

We have a large Vietnamese community, Dolphin russianthistle, so banh mi etc are fairly easy to find. Recently a local Vietnamese entrepeneur opened a huge sandwich shop which carries both Vietnamese-style banh mi and American-style sandwiches (cold cuts, etc.) on baguettes or croissants. They also prepare various savory and sweet buns and other Vietnamese delicacies, and homemade ice cream in the usual flavors and some unusual (green tea, durian). All the bread is made fresh in-house, and they have a special machine which makes little pastry-type cakes too. The place is clean and well-lit, with plenty of seating and room to stand and wait for carry-out orders. It is a brilliant venture, really.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 26, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse


Sprains and strains in ankles can be worse than bone breaks. He needs an xray and MRI. Fixing a problem now is WAAAYYYYY better than a post-fix problem after the body has attempted a re-scaffolding of interior structures both hard and soft.

I have one ankle appropriately addressed after a wild encounter with a hurdle in a track meet, circa 1981. I am so glad this was repaired with a pin and other good stuff. I do, however, set off the airport detectors.

The other ankle was injured on a curb about five years ago. Stupidly, I opted for foolish valiancy. Big mistake. The swelling and discoloration means he damaged the ankle infrastructure.

Since Ivansdad plans to use that joint for many years, including to gamble downstairs for an assignation with you, should those thoughtless Nurse Rachets place you on separate floors, well, you see my point. Tell him this, if all other arguments fail.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Damn. Now I gotta split the fee.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, Ivansdad thanks you for your advice. However, he remarked that we voted for Obama so we wouldn't have to pay anyone for that.

Hee hee.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 26, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I'mom, thanks! street address on said shop?

As it happens, my friend just called me and I told him to get "to it!"

CP both wise advice and beautiful prose. I almost thought that i was reading version of The Ankle's sprain by Will Shakespeare.

Posted by: russianthistle | November 26, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

RussianT -- no tasting now, but I shall save you a slice for your coffee on Friday. Pie for breakfast on Friday. Start the day right.

Pie is out! Pans of stuffing in, with water bath underneath. Oven also kitted out with rosemary and the house smells lovely.

Now I can attend to out-of-doors items. Am horrified that earthworms are invasive. Am rethinking the add redworms strategy oo my three stages of composting....but better turn the piles over and add lime a bit.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

RT -- blushing but happy. Will the Vietnamese sandwich shop be close to some of us? We can descend singly or in boodle bunches. Keep us informed.

Pho, too?

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Gamble? I hardly think Ivansdad is gambling!

True family exchange circa 1976 as I was heading out on a trip to Europe, one stop was Monaco:

Yokismom: You're not going to gamble, are you, darling daughter?

Yoki: Gamble! Gamble! You should see me in full frolic!


Posted by: Yoki | November 26, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Russianthistle Aquatic Mammal, looking for the address led me to the excellent website, From this I discover that Lee's Sandwiches is a franchise originally begun in California, with outposts now in Texas, Arizona and Oklahoma. This does not surprise me; our local Vietnamese community has many ties with the California ones, particularly in Southern California. Our store is at 3300 Classen Blvd., Oklahoma City. Send your friend to the website.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 26, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey, green dude! Yup, one blew out last night and another one blew in this morning, making the roads bare and dry and the sun brightly shine. It's a fine day in Yoki-land.

Posted by: Yoki | November 26, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Sigh, again, the cardomom dust is to blame.

Ivansdad gamboling!

Such a lovely picture is that. Now, really off to the outdoors. By 4:30, shall be dark and colder.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 26, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

CP, your plight has once agin inspired me to get out mah gee-tar and pluck a new tune, and it goes

a little somethin'

like this:

It's true! It's true! The crown has made it clear.
The compost must be perfect all the year.

A law was made a distant moon ago here:
Leftover veggies cannot go to rot.
And there's no legal limit to the worms here.
Go buy a lot.
The composting is forbidden till November
And ends in March before it gets too hot.
By order, odors linger through September.
Add lime a lot!
Lime a lot! In CP’s lot!
I know it sounds a bit bizarre,
But add lime a lot, in CP’s lot..
That's how conditions are.
The worms may never crawl till after sundown.
By eight, the mealy bugs must disappear.
In short, there's simply not
A more congenial spot
For happily mulch composting than here
In CP’s lot.

Add lime a lot! In CP’s lot.
I know it gives a person pause,
But buying worms is hot, for CP’s lot,
Those are the legal laws.
The mulch may never pile up on the hillside.
By nine p.m. the red worms must appear.
In short, there's simply not
A more congenial spot
For happily worm wrangling than here
On CP’s lot.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Time to start the ginger molasses cake. I think I'll use old-fashioned sorghum for part of the molasses. That should make it interesting.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 26, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Hi all.

Posted some thoughts and rumors regarding Obama and Volcker's Economic Recovery Advisory Board:

Hope you enjoy it.

Note: Richie Rich was never under consideration.

Ivansmom, I rolled my ankle and fell last year with similar symptoms. Took about six weeks to heal to the point where I could resume normal activity. Please have him stay off of it as much as possible and keep it cool to get the swelling down.

Gotta run, I have some Thanksgiving prep to do...


Posted by: -bc- | November 26, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Hi CP!

Don't know if you come up as far as Cherry Hill Road, but I'll wave anyway.

The marinade is from Emeril Lagasse (it goes along with his fried turkey recipe).

Here it is:

1 Tbsp. Worcestershire sauce
1 Tbsp. liquid crab and shrimp boil (I don't usually put that in--I think it's similar to vinegar and Old Bay)
1/8 cup apple cider
3/8 cup honey
6 oz. beer (I'm substituting all apple cider)
1/2 Tbsp. salt
1/2 Tbsp. ground allspice
1/4 cup Creole seasoning
1/8 tsp. cayenne
Pinch of ground cloves

You combine all the ingredients in a blender and process for 5 minutes.

I have used this recipe a couple of times in the past. This is my first all-cider attempt.

Posted by: Moose13 | November 26, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, it depends on whether you want to play the odds, if you have insurance, and if the employer demands something from a doctor.

If it were ME, uninsured and unemployed, I'd just feel it real good and decide if it needed setting. If not, I'd wait. If that didn't help I swear I'd put a @#$ cast on it myself. Lots of times a cracked bone gets zero advantage from a doctor. A sprain won't get any advantage from seeing a doctor. The cast is the key to a crack in a bone. Time and immobility heals it, not doctors.

Having said all that, there's a big advantage in knowledge. If you know it's either cracked and out of place, or cracked and NOT out of place, or not cracked at all, you can use that knowledge. So an X-ray is a great tool.

Once a guy broke his ankle at work; his foot was cocked over sideways. While the ambulance was coming, he begged his pal to remove his brand-new expensive cowboy boot from the broken foot. "I know the SOBs will cut it off." So his buddy as gently as possible withdrew the guy's boot, with gasps of pain from the injured guy and scowls of not-wanting-to-do-this from the friend. They got the boot off, it was saved.

At the hospital they X-rayed it and told him he had a "hairline fracture." They even gave him a funny look, like he was a wimp. (He wasn't - and multiple witnesses had seen the foot pointing in a direction that God had not intended)

The careful withdrawal of the boot had perfectly set his ankle bones exactly back where they belonged. The cast they put on it was all he then needed to heal perfectly.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 26, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Your post, Jumper, has given me the horrors.

Posted by: Yoki | November 26, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Afternoon and a happy Thanksgiving to all.
Scottynuke, thanks for the quiz. I was floored when I got 100% without cheating! Honest!
It's good to be back in the 'boodle.
(Formerly, RA)

Posted by: ra1967 | November 26, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to add to all that by saying that, obviously, if there are complications to the ankle it would be a mistake to not see a doctor. Crippling for life is not a cost-effective move.

I will maintain that the patient gains nothing by losing his head, and is level headed can deduce SOME things about the injury. A day's wait MIGHT save a trip, and will not affect any outcomes by itself.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 26, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Yoki. I didn't mean to!

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 26, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Believe it or not, sitting in my family room right now is a young man who just said, "I LOVE Lee's Sandwiches on Classen Blvd!

You see... we have an Okie cousin spending the T'giving holiday with us. He's the one who graduated from The Boy's school last spring.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 26, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse


My friends run a restaurant in Bethesda called Green Papaya. It is on Elm St. It has always been very good, but just not a lunch/sandwich sort of environment. That's what people are buying now, and they can make a great sandwich if they so chose.

I am working to recover/re-establish promotional programs. I am trying to establish a regular happy hour discussion group there on Thursday (not this one).

Posted by: russianthistle | November 26, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm recovered now Jumper.

Posted by: Yoki | November 26, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

In addition to hairline/stress fractures, there are two other things to worry about: bone chips, and ligament damage. A mild sprain ought to start getting better after two or three days, so we already know this isn't "mild." A "second-degree" sprain involves some partially torn ligaments; a third-degree is a torn ligament, period, and takes a year to heal.

If this is a sprain, it is almost certainly second or third degree, if not actually a bone chip or stress fracture. It requires an x-ray, MRI, and a proper course of treatment, including at minimum the right kind of ace bandaging, etc.

Plus getting the "good" drugs.

2nd degree takes 6 or 8 weeks to heal, 3rd could be a year. And I don't like the description of the bruising going all the way down to the toes. This is way too serious for an "ordinary" sprain.

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I love Green Papaya!

Lucky you, russianthistle.

Posted by: Moose13 | November 26, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I just picked up my daughter, and I went off on her. I mean I just totally lost it. Now I feel bad. What drove me around the bend was two library books for the g-girl. I got the books from my daughter, but I forgot to take them back, this after begging her to take them back. I asked her to drop them in the return box while she had my car. She said yes. I look in the back seat, and there are the books. She's had them two or three days, just riding them around. The folks at the library have called me so many times about the books because I signed the library card for the g-girl. And I just lost it. Plain and simple. And she tried to give me word for word, and I advised her to be quiet, because she could not justify her actions. Everyone in the car was silent. And to add to my misery, I'm getting feed back from the hearing-aid. You know, like a microphone does. Maybe I should quit while I'm ahead, and just go to bed.

I have to finish the cooking, but my spirits are low. I don't like to do that, but she just goes too far sometimes.

Kbert, glad to hear from you. VL, thank you. Ivansmom, hope Ivansdad gets better. That injury sounds painful. Kim, that receipe is an inspiration.

Carry on, folks.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 26, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra... it happens. Your daughter knows you love her. Don't dwell on it and give her an extra hug and kiss next time.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 26, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Many years ago I sprained my ankle so badly I was sure I had broken it, so I went to the emergency room and had it Xrayed. But it was just a bad sprain. They told me to keep it elevated - I don't think I even got any pain medication - no cast, not even a wrap. The soft tissue never healed quite right - it's still bigger than my other ankle. But I was able to walk down the aisle in heels a week (or two?) later...So Ivansdad should get it checked it just to be sure.

Beautiful day here. I need to get out in the yard and do some clean up. Ran to the library to pick up the new Le Carre book and some poetry collections, so I'm set. (Cassandra, have your daughter pay the library fines. I hate when I have to do that.)

The house next door which was painted purple is being painted a bright fuschia. The kind of color that would be nice as an accent, as trim. The whole house is a bit much, but it will still be useful as a landmark. You can't miss it.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. I've still got cranberry bread to make.

Posted by: seasea | November 26, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, Cassandra. There are just days like that. Go ahead and cook something, it might make you feel better.

It really is a small world, TBG - or else, the Boodle forms the great underpinning of society.

Ivansdad thanks you all so far for your comments and suggestions and welcomes more. Read as a whole they have a consistent theme so far: pay attention, stay off it, get an X-ray. I think he was hoping for something along the lines of "Everything sounds fine" or, failing that, "Go outside, rub some dirt on it, and walk it off."

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 26, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh, dear. . . .I just backboodled a little bit and noted the medical issue with Ivansdad. It sounds pretty serious to me. Anytime the internal bleeding travels like that, to me it sounds like at least a fracture. I hope he assents to at least an x-ray.

Otherwise, to all the boodle, wherever and in which time zone you may be (or in which you wish you were) -- have a glorious Thanksgiving.

And, Shriek, I'm really, really hoping with all my heart that the Lions lose tomorrow so that they can capture their perfect season. *sigh*

Gotta go get more work done before I'm done. You know. . . .

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | November 26, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Very good imitation of a perfect Christmas day here. A gentle snow is falling to refresh the old stuff we had yesterday. Mrs. D thinks she'll be able to do some cross country skiing next weekend. Oy.

With all that turkey talk, I've developed turkey envy. Tomorrow we'll be having the chicken cacciatore I made Sunday, that will have to do.

31/33 on the quiz with more than a couple lucky eenie meenie minie moes. I plead Canadian too.
Like Yoki, I've met a big deadline today. The final meeting today gave me another week's worth of work and then some but I may, finally, put that 10-year project behind me. 3 years late but who's counting. I wasn't on it for the first 5 years but still I feel relieved.
So I'm here on my second refreshing beverage, looking at the birds doing their usual final feeding frenzy at the feeders and feeling quite festive despite the total normalcy of this day on the Canadian calendar.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 26, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom... I agree with the others to get that man to a doc soon, even if you have to whack him over the head with an iron skillet to get him there.

I used to work for a bar owner who thought he had just twisted or sprained his ankle in a kitchen fall. Turns out it was fractured. It also turned out that he was diabetic (he knew, but nobody else did) which complicated things. To make a long story short, he ended up with gangrene and had to lose the foot. But being a stubborn old fart, he ignored the docs' instructions on how to care for his "nub". Another amputation later (this time at the knee) he finally took them seriously and had no further problems -- other than getting around on a prosthetic limb.

Along the same lines, I had a skiing accident once where I ended up stretching -- not tearing -- the tendons (ACLs?) behind my knee. The color scheme of the bruising was exactly as you described and didn't appear immediately, but a day or so later. Took about 2 years to heal since I didn't have insurance or an extra $5K laying around to have surgery.

Just my $0.02.

In any case, I wish him well and a speedy recovery.

And I wish everyone here a very happy Thanksgiving.

Peace out :-)

Posted by: martooni | November 26, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving to all who are bailing out of the Boodle for the holiday. On Friday morning (or tomorrow night, if you are in distress) here's a little tune cootie that may help your digestion.

Running for the bus in a few minutes myself. Will be around for the next four days, methinks. Maybe I'll get some writing done! Wouldn't that be nice...peace and quiet...leftovers...blank page staring back at me...

Posted by: curmudgeon-1 | November 26, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Just getting a chance to backboodle, first Happy Birthday dbG - hope you have a wonderful day - treat yourself extra special today.

Ivansmom, I once had a similar experience with an ankle injury - turned out to be a pulled ligament - considerable bruising - near black in colour - doctor applied tensor bandages and in a short time I was recovered. It was not one of my more graceful moments (not that I have many graceful moments), I was walking down the street and went over on my ankle, being young and foolish and a little under the influence I ignored it and went home to bed, hurt like crazy by morning and frightened my mom but almost passing out on her when I finally fessed up to the injury. Hope Ivansdad heals quickly.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 26, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Belated sky report: I actually saw the meteor commented upon by some. The time on my computer was 5:27 MST. It is dark here by that time, with cloud cover. I face north in my office, with a window on the east side. I caught a flash out of the corner of my eye and turned to face east. I saw a yellow-orange streak going approximately East-South-East. Unfortunately, there is another tower directly east and that prevented me from seeing the last 10 degrees above the horizon.

The way the clouds lit up after it went behind the next tower I was fully expecting that it impacted less than 100 km away.

US trivia report: 30/33. One I didn’t know, one I dispute, and one I should have got.

Ankle report: I’m thinking it’s serious enough to check out. Walk it off if by “off” you mean surgically detached.

Posted by: engelmann | November 26, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse


Thursdays (other than this one) ... discounted pricing for beverages and selected apps and an entree or two. All you have to do is talk to me and my friends.

Posted by: russianthistle | November 26, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Holy carp... they're saying 78 dead so far in the terrorist attacks in India.


Posted by: martooni | November 26, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

IvansMom, One thing I think that has not been mentioned is the possibility later on for traumatic arthritis, and believe me, your husband won't like that one bit!

The last insult to my left ankle/foot, just twisting my ankle, resulted in a broken little toe bone in two places, adding to the breaks, sprains, crushes that I've endured, so that now my foot is one big gnarly misshapen lump of bone.

One foot doc that I consulted at Johns Hopkins wanted to break all 28 bones in my foot and glue, pin, and fuse them back into some semblance of normal.

I politely declined.

Maggie O'D

Posted by: rickoshea0 | November 26, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The cornbread is baked, and some of the ingredients for the stuffing all chopped up. Moving right along. Still want to get in bed, and go to sleep. Perhaps later.

The volunteering at the soup kitchen was good. We had a pretty big crowd. Nice lunch too. Chicken and ham,rice and gravy, yams, string beans, plain and choc. cake. I served the cake. And tea to wash it all down. We gave out all the food. We had some kids because school was out today. And we had lots of people to help.

Have a good evening, folks. Time to get back to the kitchen. Thanks for listening.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 26, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Dolphie... is anyone invited? Sounds like kinda fun.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 26, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Almost forgot...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DGB! And may you have many more.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 26, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Furious back boodling:

Missed two on the American History and Gummint quiz. Can't complain, but I thought a few questions weren't particularly relevant.

In line with me at TKTS was an American from Vancouver in town to see Kristen Scott Thomas in The Seagull. She prefers American Thanksgiving because we make a much bigger deal of it. She says the Canadians just treat theirs like any other three-day weekend and that people can't even agree on which day to have the feast on.

I have an entire closet full of foot and leg recuperation accessories. I just never seem to hurt the same part twice. I also recommend the diagnostic imaging. It's peace of mind.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 26, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Many happy returns! By the way, my shoulder is aching badly from just reading about spatchcocking, heart surgery, and mangled ankles.

Here's hoping nobody here (or family) gets any of this over this Thanksgiving weekend.

I am trying to find some new (or old) authors of amusing fiction.

I'm now reading "Winesburg, Ohio" by Sherwood Andersen (1913), and I can see how he was part of the genesis of modern American short story fiction. The psychological emphasis, the metaphor, backstory, etc.

However, it's also somewhat depressing in spots. An friend of mine much prefers Latin-American magic realism, so I'll have to read a few short stories from that tradition sometime, so I can understand the difference more clearly.

As for Raysmom, you seem to be plenty invested in your life and hobbies.

As I see it, hobbies aren't intended to overwhelm your life but to meed the needs of the soul-- by providing the occasional spice to keep your routine from becoming your entire life.

And, gardening has the additional advantage of helping to fill a cooking-pot, as well.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 26, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Well apparently I wasn't completely asleep during my high school American history classes 84.85% - I am still perplexed on the last question - I quibble with the correct answer.

Perhaps I am just a sore loser.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 26, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Day report:

Steady sunshine at noon;
People rustling through, like leaves,
On roads and in stores.

Cold earth sweats the stink
Of trees' fallen musk and tracks
from bygone stag parties...


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 26, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

You guys take American History in high school?! Wow... I'm really embarrassed now.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 26, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Having just endured a 2nd degree sprain, and recovered enough to plan to do a Turkey day walk/run tomorrow (we'll see how the running goes)my perspective is if I had it to do over again I would not have gone to the doctor. It wasn't alarmingly swollen, didn't keep me awake all night in agony (as long as a cat didn't land on it), and it never really achieved colors of the sympathy inducing kind among the frostfam (tough crowd).

However, while in the army I broke the same ankle and with far less pain in the actual incident that cause the break. The big tip that I should seek medical attention was the morning after when it was so swollen I could not get my boot on over it. As fractures go it was not that bad, not as bad as my arm in 2nd grade anyway, but it still needed a cast.

Henceforth, my rule is-swollen and/or throbbing, or painful even when not touched or while bearing weight, see a doctor.

Jumper-I relocated my own dislocated pinkie finger once. I don't know which was more nauseating, seeing it flopping as if the skin was all that held it in place or pushing it back into place. Nearly passed out, but it's amazing what it did for my rep as a small unit leader.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 26, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Fear not TBG it was an optional course - even in High School I loved history - it was in my final year, I really enjoyed the class.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 26, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

yellojkt, your line-up friend is mostly right, but I would say by way of explanation that here it's considered to be more of a private holiday. We're all about the understatement.

Don't Americans vary the actual day for the big dinner by their family circumstances? With ours on a Monday it's pretty hard for people to have a dinner on that day if there's travel involved.

Posted by: engelmann | November 26, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, FWIW I once had a "traveling bruise" such as Ivansdad seems to be displaying -- it came after a not-trivial muscle injury that I spent quite a while healing from.


And martooni, yes, it's insanity once again. *SIGHHHHHH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 26, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

SonofCarl... I'd say 99% of Americans have their big dinner on Thanksgiving Day... it's nice because then we have three days to rest afterwards.

dmd... glad to know it was optional. But I'm pretty sure there are no Canadian History classes offered in American high schools anywhere.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 26, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

No time to backskim. My wife and some friends of ours canvassed the neighbourhood a few weeks ago and found many families to cook Thanksgiving dinner for. thus, I've fired up the fryer and am in the midst of cooking three birds; we have turkey breast that will roast tomorrow morning. 120 meals to pack and deliver in the am, then we'll share a communal dinner with our friends. Fry by night.

Posted by: -jack- | November 26, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

jack, that is fine. Just fine.

Posted by: Yoki | November 26, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Jack good for you and your wife. A remarkable pair you are.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 26, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Jack... that's selfless self-initiative at work -- and a beautiful thing.

You and your wife and Cassandra got the real meaning of Thanksgiving down pat.

Thank you all for being you.

Posted by: martooni | November 26, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

The key difference between a hobby and a job is a job pays you and you pay to have a hobby.

I consider boodling a hobby.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 26, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I hadn't thought in those terms, Yello, but you're right! Unless boodling is an addiction.

Posted by: slyness | November 26, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

SCC: "the meaning of Thanksgiving" should have been "the meaning of Being". Sorry about that.

Posted by: martooni | November 26, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

*laughing* This was in my work inbox this afternoon!

>>Artevo Gallery presents Artists of the World

Thomas Kinkade
Painter of light

Paintings from North America's most collected living artist

Please join us<<

Yoki is not going to join you.

Posted by: Yoki | November 26, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

My "thinker" just kicked in, so please cover your heads and hide the children...

yello's comment about boodling and hobbies and jobs and which pays better is to blame.

My "big thought" is not that Boodling could become a reliable personal source of income for any of us, but that Boodling as a whole could become a funding source for "projects greater than ourselves".

My "big thought" was that the comment box here could maybe have a checkbox next to it where you could donate $0.10 or $0.25 or whatever whenever you post a comment -- optionally, of course.

Since micropayments of that size generally cost more to process than they're worth, they could be accrued to each user's account (now that we have to sign in every time we want to post something) and billed monthly or quarterly in lump sums.

Users could then choose to have the money from their posts contributed to a specific charity or charities, or have it contributed to a charity or charities of Joel's choosing -- or chosen by Boodler voting.

Thinking about it more... make it a standard $0.02 per post, giving it a symbolic value (and even more affordable, so increasing the volume of contributions).

Call it "putting your money where your mouth is", or call it crazy.

So where can I send my $0.02 for posting this?

Posted by: martooni | November 26, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Just now getting a chance to backboodle. I went Christmas shopping after work and no, I didn’t get out early, unless 15 minutes early counts. It was crazy busy all day, which surprised me. Anyway, the night before Thanksgiving is a great time to shop, the stores were empty and I got a lot done. When I came home I made two pumpkin pies and cinnamon rolls. Now I’m tired. I’m going to sleep in tomorrow as I don’t have to be anywhere until afternoon.

Happy Birthday dbG, sorry I’m so late in the day with the greetings.

I agree with everyone else about the ankle, Ivansmom. I’ve had more ankle sprains than I can count, but the worst one was while playing basketball in college, two weeks on crutches. The whole leg swelled and the colors of the bruise were quite pretty. Ivansdad needs to see a doctor.

Posted by: badsneakers | November 26, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Thinking about that more, it would be relatively simple to expand it to other blogs and articles and whatever else can be commented on throughout the WaPo site.

And it could even be expanded to allow a person to create a universal account on some ".org" site used to pay for donation-posts on multiple sites.

There I go again, giving away yet another business plan for free.

Posted by: martooni | November 26, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Good night, Boodle. Yoki is tired.

Have a very happy day tomorrow, my friend [no creepy smile or lip-lick] what with Thanksgiving and all.

Cassandra, forgive yourself. The yeanlings can make us crazy, even when we vow not to let them get to us. I think you are harder on yourself than on anyone else. Look at it this way; if they were strangers, we wouldn't care what they do. We'd be polite. It is because we care about them so very much, that we work hard to see their best selves.

Will I be flying dawn patrol tomorrow? No guarantees. I'm planning to look after Yoki tomorrow, so see you on the tarmac on Friday, friends.

But homemade muffins and hot coffee will show up in the admin building (hmm, very mysterious!).

Posted by: Yoki | November 26, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Howdy. Ivansdad is very appreciative of and saddened by the collective Boodle wisdom. He may wind up at a doctor yet (yes, I'm working on it).

Martooni, I like your idea.
Yoki, I hope all is well on the Big Project and the attorney who did the Very Bad Thing was politely sidetracked until it is/was finished.
Cassandra, Jack, thank you for putting into action what I often think of but seldom do. You are truly good examples.

I was uncharacteristically distracted by a brief shopping trip, and a gingerbread molasses cake and bourbon pecan pie have been baked. Pie crust dough is ready to roll out for pumpkin pie tomorrow. The Ivansclan has had a lovely evening having a pre-Thanksgiving feast with old theater friends. Very nice. Now I must corral the rabbit and try to get everyone headed towards bed.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 26, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

best wishes to ivansdad for a speedy recovery. have had a couple of

happy (almost belated) birthday, dbg!

and happy thanksgiving to everyone!!

Posted by: LALurker | November 26, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Ivansmom. The Very Big Project has been sent, and we know we did out best.

And the lawyer who Did A Very Bad Thing is no longer a partner of nor associated in any way with the firm with which I have thrown in my lot, and I hope (oh, I hope) he has not taken any competitive intelligence across the street.

Be that as it may, I am proud of my firm because it wasn't about to have any of that, mate.

All is well.

Posted by: Yoki | November 26, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

Belated Happy Birthday, dbG!

Wishing Ivansdad a speedy recovery.

I miss corn bread. Way back in the mid-1980s, you can get 3 boxes of corn bread mix for 99 cents. They don’t sell them here.

Posted by: rainforest1 | November 27, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

The bailout figures do look pretty scary. All the amounts are in “b”s. I guess “m” is just too small to be of any help. It just shows the magnitude and severity of the problem.

The Fed and Treasury have been taking a lot of heat for not saving Lehman. Whether the decision to let it die was the right one or not, nobody will know because the global financial system was fundamentally broken long before Lehman’s death.

Posted by: rainforest1 | November 27, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

This problem in Thailand where the anti-gov’t protesters taking over the airport is creating a lot of inconvenience for us. Our workers are on mandatory exit and when they got to the airport, they were told the flight to Yangoon via Bangkok was cancelled. If they can’t leave in 2 days when their work permit expires, there’s going to be a lot of paper work getting their permits extended.

Posted by: rainforest1 | November 27, 2008 2:34 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. The wind must be blowing from the South; I swear I could smell roasting turkey.

Tricky take-off in the snow this morning for the dawn patrol.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 27, 2008 6:10 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving!

It's very quiet here. Mr. T is still abed, and I'm just starting my first cup of tea. I had to call about the newspaper, all we got were advertisements. So I'll just have to make do with WaPo and till a replacement is delivered.

Posted by: slyness | November 27, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

About three-thirty I went on morning recon to find the GT band but they had already come and gone through Herald Square. I did catch James Madison doing their dress rehearsal.

It's amazing how many people are up and wandering the streets of New York at four in the morning. Some of them are even sober.

It was worth the early wake-up to watch the utility trucks taking down all the street lamps and traffic lights in Times Square. Can't have anything a Harajuku Girl balloon would get stuck on around.

Took a brief nap and now I'm heading up to Columbus Circle as a scout so I can warn my wife to get the camera ready. Estimated air time for the GT band is ten a.m. in case anybody has the parade on while doing the fixin's.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 27, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

As much as I love chipping in my two cents worth, your plan could bankrupt me.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 27, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

And Happy Turkey Day from the Boodle Hog.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 27, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Yello.... have a great day at the parade! You and your family are on a Truly Great Adventure and I'm feeling a little frenvy. Sounds like a lot of fun! Can't wait to hear all about it.

I agree... as much as it sounds great, I don't know if I could afford Martooni's Great Idea.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 27, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Belated birthday salutations to dbG! And best wishes for Ivansdad's ankle. Ouch.

Happy Thanksgiving from Myrtle Beach. I can tell I am in South Carolina because the papers are all full of the exciting news that tomorrow you can buy guns tax free.

Although I despise the 8-hour drive down, I must admit the in-laws have themselves fixed up quite nicely in their cute little house. And, thanks to the economy, the new development in which they live is remarkably free of intrusive neighbors.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 27, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Rainforest - thanks very much for that article on Thailand. As always, I greatly enjoy hearing your perspective on things.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 27, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving, Boodlers!

I will be mooching off friends today :o)

Posted by: Braguine | November 27, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Boid i in the oven. I am not afraid of much but bird prep makes me queasy. Little doglet attends my every move, sniffing as she does the evidence of, well, yummies that I quickly move to the garbage can. Giblets is a darling word, but the reality is blechhhy. Do not tell me about how your make your stuffing. I will eat it as I do sausage. No details, please.

I will try crock pot mashed potatos, which frees up valuable stove top space. Hoping to eat at 1-2ish. Then perhaps a family bike ride, followed by nap. Desert with several families in the neighborhood commencing at about 8. Orion is up in the SE sky; winter is upon us.

Thank you, boodlers known and unknown. I am grateful to know you.

Here is a thanksgiving blessing by poet John Berryman:

Minnesota Thanksgiving

For that free Grace bringing us past great risks
& thro' great griefs surviving to this feast
sober & still, with the children unborn and born,
among brave friends, Lord, we stand again in debt
and find ourselves in the glad position: Gratitude.

We praise our ancestors who delivered us here
within warm walls all safe, aware of music,
likely toward ample & attractive meat
with whatever accompaniment
Kate in her kind ingenuity has seen fit to devise,

and we hope - across the most strange year to come -
continually to do them and You not sufficient honour
but such as we become able to devise
out of decent or joyful conscience & thanksgiving.
Bless then, as Thou wilt, this wilderness board.

Poem: "Minnesota Thanksgiving" by John Berryman, from Collected Poems 1937-1971 © The Noonday Press. Reprinted with permission.

(The indents will not show, but the look of the poem is like a hymn.....I love the yippee, which is so like my four brothers eyeing each other during the grace. And, may we all have a Kate in the family, who is musical and will lead the singing, sans or con piano.)

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 27, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Let's please send a few good thoughts to those innocents caught up in the attacks in India. Bad stuff.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 27, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Yes, RD. Horrid and not over.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 27, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving to all near and far, here and there. Among the many things for which I am thankful the Boodle ranks high. Thanks to and for my imaginary friends, and thanks to Joel for the Kits and the forum and being part of it.

Yoki, you make me laugh. I have a couple of ideas of what the Very Bad Thing must have been to create a Former Lawyer so quickly.

Felicitations on the Yellojkt Famly Big Adventure. RD, try not to succumb to temptation and create a Big Adventure of your own with those tax-free guns.

Thank you for the pome college parkian.

More after the parades and church.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 27, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning, friends. Happy Thanksgiving Day to all. I've been up since six, but just got time to sit down and boodle. I've finished half of a meal, and I'm not planning on doing anything else, but getting dressed and heading out the door. Like you, Brag, I'm going to annoy family and friends today.

Martooni, don't know if I could afford your plan.

Yoki, such a nice comment, and it does make me feel better. I apologized to my daughter and told her I love her. She was okay. My behavior would probably make more of an impact if for some reason I stop cooking. She would notice that. You think?

Mudge, Slyness, Scotty, and all, good morning, and enjoy your day. *waving*

My sister called me this morning. I love my sister, and I hope she's happy. I told her I'll check by later today.

Have fun, gang. Don't eat too, too, much. And whatever you do, tell your family you love them.

Time to swim.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 27, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I know as many people making turkey today as making turkey on our Thanksgiving. It should be called turkey envy day or something like that.

Happy T Day to everybody. Happy Birthdays to some (dbg, many happies), Happy Anniversaries to others (I am remiss RD, but congratulations)
and for Cassandra, always a prayer, for the times when you forget to include yourself on the list of those you pray for. The big guy has you in his sight and in the palm of his hand.

Watching the stuff going on in India this morning reminds me of how good we have it. I just hope we are brave enough, caring enough, involved enough, smart enough not to screw it up.

Posted by: --dr-- | November 27, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Twas up and at 'em early (my wife wouldn't let me sleep in), and had a hearty breakfdast: Cheerios and V-8. Ah, well, maybe there's some muffins left in the ready room.

Already vacuumed the kitchen and stairs, so now may begin the Day's Main Act: The Cooking of the Bird.

I wish I had a dining room table 100 feet long that would accommodate you all. A nice big turkey every 10 feet or so, and loads of side dishes in between. And we'd put Cassandra down at the end so she could look down the table and say grace. Lots of Canadians plus Rainforest distributed 'mongst the hoardes. Off to the side, a couple of card tables set up for the wee ones, grandkids, and bc. (OK, bc, you can sit at the main table. Just try not to get any gravy on your pilgrim outfit.)

Let the show begin!

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 27, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Just put on the Macy's parade... hoping to catch a glimpse of Son of Yello.

I, too, am thankful for the people and the space here. Thanks to Joel for making it possible and thanks to all of you, seen and unseen, for being my friends.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 27, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

The best returns of Thanksgiving to those of us who choose to celebrate it.

I am not sure if the terrible events unfolding in Mumbai over the past 24 hours are intended to send a specific message to Americans on this holiday or not. I have not heard of any demands from the terrorists regarding any hostages they may have taken, but it seems to me that as well-prepared as that these gunmen seem to be, there must be some purpose behind it other than murder and general chaos.

My thoughts are with anyone affected my these attacks, directly or indirectly.


Posted by: -bc- | November 27, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Many thoughts are bending towards India this morning... *SIGH*

I'm amazed yellojkt forgot the most important info:



*turning-up-TV-to-overcome-various-cooking-noises Grover waves*

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 27, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, the kids' table is *way* more fun than the grown-up table. I'm quite happy there.

As long as I don't wear the Puritan hat with the big buckle on it, everybody fits around the table fine, thanks. I'll just wear the Tiara instead of the hat anyway. Sets off the pilgrim outfit nicely, I think.

I can't sit still during the meal anywho, you know how I am - refilling drinks, fetching more hot rolls and warm gravy from the kitchen, chatting with everyone along the way.

Say, did we remember to name the turkey before he went in the oven?


Posted by: -bc- | November 27, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse


What color are they wearing!!!
What do the hats look like? Military Caps or the Bearskin thingies!!!!!!

Name of team on banner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 27, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

We do know it's the Georgia Tech band... not sure what instrument Son of Yello plays.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 27, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, TBG -- I had placed him back in high school!

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 27, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

*Sigh* The phone rang just before 8 ayem: my brother calling to say that the niece is throwing up sick and there's no way they can chance a 2-hour trip today. So we will cook the boid on Saturday. Fortunately, I was able to make last-minute reservations for buffet at one of the best restaurants around; at least we will eat well today. And Saturday is the Geekdottir's birthday, so we'll have more reason to celebrate.

Posted by: slyness | November 27, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

O.M.G.!!!!!!!!!! bc, I forget to send out the football picks for this week! LiT and omni, are you guys out there?

I'll send 'em out right now.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 27, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

The four males were in the family room watching football that cool Sunday September morning in Escalon. Linda had been out on her patio watering her many potted plants. I had been reading the Modesto Bee at the patio table. The patio was quiet, Linda sat down next to me and we started talking.

Linda said a word that I don't think she had uttered once to me since we became friends while both working for the Modesto Chamber of Commerce 22 years ago: "genealogy." Of course, I had kept her abreast via Christmas letters of what I had been up to since 2003.

Linda said that her aunt was keenly interested in genealogy and had spent a great deal of time researching her family tree. "My grandmother was born a Thrall" she said. "They hailed from Connecticut. One of my ancestors, Joseph Brainerd Thrall, was a minister in Utah."

After Hurricane Ike moved beyond Texas and up the Mississippi River Valley, and after we got home from vacation and settled back into a normal routine, I had to satisfy my own curiosity about the Thrall trunk of her family tree. I used books about ancient Windsor that sit in the tall bookcase next to where I sleep. I luckily stumbled upon a Thrall genforum. I used other resources available on the Internet.

Thrall: William, Timothy, John I, John II, Samuel, Chauncey, Rev. Samuel Rowley (who had three sons who became pastors, including), Rev. Joseph Brainerd, J. Brainerd, and then presumably Linda's grandmother.

The Thrall family settled in ancient Windsor, Conn., members of England's Dorset Pilgrims, arriving a few years before the Loomises, who came later by boat up the Connecticut River in 1639. William Thrall was a stone cutter, quarrying stones for basements, wells, and cemetery headstones. Though not next-door neighbors, both the Loomises and Thralls lived on the south side of the Farmington River. William Thrall and my antecedent Rev. John Wilson fought together during the Pequot Massacre.

Several generations later, our families were on opposite sides of the tax revolt that was Shay's Rebellion in Springfield, Mass. Major-General William Shepard, who helped quash the conflict, is not my direct antecedent, but perhaps the most prominent member of my Shepards of Westfield, Mass. Linda's Samuel Thrall was one of the unhappy and frustrated farmers involved in the uprising. The defeat of the Regulators by military forces helped to usher in a more centralized government, but ensuing criticism of his involvement, with his property threatened, forced Samuel to move from Granville, Mass., where he had earlier relocated from Windsor, to Rutland, Vt. Rutland isn't but a handful of miles from where Loomis-descendant and Mormon founder Jospeh Smith was born in Sharon, Vt.

And somehow, Samuel's great-grandson, the Congregationalist Rev. Joseph Brainerd Thrall, ended up in Mormon territory. The biographical detail for Amherst's class of 1873 tells the story:

Posted by: laloomis | November 27, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Rev. Joseph Brainerd served as the Congregational minister in Salt Lake City from 1884 through 1893, although the first Congregational Church had been founded in the territory in 1865. He was there when the federal government issued the Edmunds-Tucker Act in 1887, in response to the church's polygamist practices, that disincorporated the LDS Church and authorized the federal government to seize all of the church’s assets. He was there when the Supreme Court upheld the act in May 1890. He was in Salt Lake City in September 1890 when LDS church president Wilford Woodruff issued the Mormon Manifesto, effectively abolishing all future (but not current) plural marriages. Thrall increased church membership during his tenure and added to the growing number of Congregational schools, staffed by women.

A quick search of the NYT archives shows that Joseph Brainerd Thrall visited New York in 1892 for a convention of the Christian Endeavor Society, representing the state of Utah ("Interest in Doing Good: Christian Endeavorers Full of Enthusiasm," July 10, 1892, Wednesday, Page 9, 30881 words.) After a number of other postings, Rev. Thrall would spend his last years in North Carolina.

But there was one other thing Linda said about her genealogy that really caught my attention--something that should sweeten Thanksgiving Day. And did I send her Ebershoff's book "The 19th Wife"?

Posted by: laloomis | November 27, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

I can't watch it, being at work and all that, but don't forget the game between the Most Reliable Team in Pro Football against the Tennesse Titans at 12:30. Don't miss 30 minutes of exciting football by mistake.

If indeed Hades exists, those kids in India and their masters in the madrassas deserve it plenty.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 27, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

In case they haven't already gone marching by (don't have the TV on myself) -- yello's got a picture of yello jr. in uniform with sax on the blog entry he linked to earlier:

Anyone spot him?

Posted by: -bia- | November 27, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse


Happy Thanksgiving Day. I hope you get a chance to enjoy the warmth of the day with family and friends.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 27, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Oh, sorry, so rude to post on a holiday without a proper greeting:

Happy Thanksgiving, Boodle!

We're not doing the major traveling that would be required to be with family today, but we're looking forward to gathering with friends for the feast this evening.

Posted by: -bia- | November 27, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Happy Turkey day all!!!
I am in baltimore switching Mom's tvs over to digital,took an and a half last night for the first one,about 15 mins for the one today. Off to my brother for the feast and family,then off to work.I will try and check in later.

Have a wonderful day and safe travels everyone!!!!

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 27, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

A good editorial on Thanksgiving today by the WaPo...

Posted by: -TBG- | November 27, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I had my eye on the parade the whole morning and Tivo'ed through it and I didn't see the Georgia Tech band... were they during a commercial or did I just miss them?

Posted by: -TBG- | November 27, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

A Spontaneous Poem for You for Today (and Everyday)...

If you have them and they're nearby,
kiss your kids and mean it.

If you have them and they're nearby,
kiss your parents, just because.

If you have them and they're nearby,
kiss your cousins and neices
and even the nephews
and the dogs and cats and hamsters, too...

And if you've nobody at hand for a kiss,
simply place one or three of your very best in your palm
and blow them away with well wishes in the wind
and know the calm they will brush
against worthy cheeks
will make eyes rise high
and smiles split
and miracles manifest

and glimmers of hope
might have a chance


peace out, my friends :-)

Posted by: martooni | November 27, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving boodle! Will madly backboodle as soon as I get the "fling" in the crock pot. Abandoned doing any inside the bird a few years back as everyone liked the outside stuff better.

Mr. F and Frostdottir are at the Y for a quick workout so I have a few minutes to sit without the TV on. That will end as they go into a football watching stupor. Fair enough, I am the same once the basketball brackets come out-men's and women's.

The organic free range bird was $2.70 per lb, delivered. If the stock from the neck and innards are any indication this is going to be one fabulous bird-even without time to dry salt and brine.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 27, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I missed all the queries, but yes, my son plays saxophone in the Georgia Tech Marching Band.

I elbowed my way up to Columbus Circle to try to get some video footage of the band but never really got close enough. My wife got pictures from window of the restaurant at the hotel where we had brunch.

The band was on the tube at 10:05 right as scheduled. I don't there is any identifiable footage of him. If you aren't a pretty baton twirler, you don't get much air time.

We are meeting him for lunch at 2 before he gets back on the bus for the eighteen hour ride back to Atlanta. Then it is off to Athens for the UGA game on Saturday.

My wife jokes that he has done more at Tech his first semester than I did my entire time there.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 27, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving Day to all. I've made my contribution (2 of them, or my friends won't let me through the door -- it's the Spinach-Tomato-Cheese casserole I posted a couple of kits ago), and they are in the refrigerator until about 4:30, whereupon I will nuke them, wrap them in double sets of towels, gently nestle them into the duffel bag, change my clothes and head out the door. My friend, who only cooks once a year -- and this is the day -- starts off her usually huge turkey by pouring an entire bottle of brandy inside and over the bird. The meat simply falls off the bone, moist as can be, and with a smile.

I love this holiday -- and not just for the food that someone else makes. Thanksgiving is an ecumenical holiday -- for everyone regardless of their religious beliefs (if they have any). Yep -- it's my kind of holiday.

Hope everyone enjoys it -- including the ones in other countries. And, dear Shriek -- I don't think I want to tune in our beloved (yeah, right) Lions. Gonna read the paper and watch Miracle on 34th Street (I think I have the whole dialog memorized).


Posted by: firsttimeblogger | November 27, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

It's early days, 35-3 for the TTs with about 2.5min to go in the first half.

Nothing says Turkey like the Detroit Lions.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 27, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving to all. I’m ready to go out the door to #1’s with a pumpkin pie and some cranberry bread. From there, I’ll go to #2’s with orts (it’s my new favorite word) and cinnamon rolls. I feel good ‘cause I pretended it was Saturday and got all my cleaning chores done this morning, now the rest of the weekend will be more fun.

Posted by: badsneakers | November 27, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

In addition to Americans, Canadians, and rainforest, happy thanksgiving to Eurotrash, Dreamer, and other lurkers and venerable Boodlers from down under and across the sea.

Cassandra, that's great insight: get your daughter's attention when you stop cooking. Very funny! That would probably work at my house too.

Desserts are done and I'm trying some last-minute cheese biscotti (recent NYT recipe) just for fun, to nibble while the dishes get set out.

About that football. Ivansdad said the Lions were playing and I saw the opposing team had a T so I naturally assumed the Lions were playing the Tigers. Followed by the Bears. He said no, there were no Tigers in football, only baseball. I said what about the Cincinnati Bengal Tigers and he said no, the Bengals are just Bengals but not Tigers, even though they have a tiger on their helmet. Now I'm sorry, but that just makes no sense. Localities aside, I maintain there is no such thing as a Bengal but there certainly are Bengal Tigers. And if Tennessee is going to play the Lions they should be Tigers too. Sorry, I'm going into a rant here, I'll try to stop.

By the way, RD, Ivansdad says that the tax-free gun shopping opportunity gives a whole new meaning to "Black Friday".

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 27, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

And thank you, martooni, for that spontaneous poem. It brought a tear to my eye. Or two.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 27, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Mmm, I like giblets. Boil them first, they look less gross afterwards, and dogs adore whatever you can spare.

But then I am an omnivore,


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 27, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"Intertanko has this week publicly supported the many tanker operators who have declared their intention to avoid the area off Somalia's coasts and the Gulf of Aden, and to sail instead via the Cape of Good Hope. "We fully appreciate their reasons for reaching such a decision. Understandably many more members are now considering similar action," "

Wow that's something that will help the environment, burning fuel to go around a whole continent with the big Suezmax tankers instead of shunting through the Suez canal.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 27, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The Lions delivered again! Only 47-10 because the TTs gave them a free touchdown at the end of the first half. They stink and have no business being shown in prime time.

The chicken cacciatore is warming up in the oven and the green beans are ready to go. Noodles or rice, that is the question now.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 27, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse




Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 27, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Round one is over Mudge? Me, I'm hungry.
Rice it is.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 27, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

comatose and comatootsies

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 27, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving!

Round 1 of The Feed is complete, followed by a one hour walk. Apple pie will be Round 2, but I don't think I'll be able to face it for another couple of hours.

Hope everyone is having an enjoyable day of food, family, and friends.

Wow, the Lions are pathetic.

Posted by: Raysmom | November 27, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to make an envious or anything but supper at the dmd house tonight - chicken soup for the younger set, leftover chili for the adults. :-(

Martooni loved loved the poem.

Hope everyone had a great feast - my fax is on should there be leftovers, in particular corn bread which is rare in these parts and pecan pie - just because it is pecan pie.

And I got my Commemorative Washington Post in the mail today!

Laughed about the Lions today when my husband called me at work and gave me an update - spent many a US thanksgiving playing hookey to watch the games - this year I did not mind working.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 27, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom,I understood your rant and your reasoning perfectly. Should I be worried?

Posted by: --dr-- | November 27, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you should worry, dr, but Ivansdad might disagree. Perhaps the Lions would play better if they thought they were facing a predator, rather than, say, a mythological vanquished set of gods which people long since ceased to worship or respect.

I am faxing dmd some pecan bourbon pie.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 27, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Back from the family gathering. I enjoyed it much. I'm so happy that I've come to terms with my disability, the hearing loss. I tried to make conversation, but that attempt failed, so I just kind of sat back and took in body language. That is so much more fun. Just watching people as they talk and laugh. I know conversation is good, but when you can't have that, there is something else, all is not lost. And as I sat there and watched, the folks realized I was taking mind pictures. Alas, they want to talk. I don't. I eat pie,and look at my mind pictures. It was good to see everyone.

And I stopped at my sister's house, and we laughed and talked about old times. Our grandparents, our mother, just stuff we used to do at Thanksgiving. We talked about the stuff that was fun, and then she loaded me up. And she had my favorite: pineapple cake. I thought, I'm in Heaven. She even gave me half of it to bring home. I'm just crazy about cake, and Lord knows I don't need it. I should run when someone says cake. And run hard the other way.

It has been a good day. I saw some of my family. My grandson didn't show. One of them is sick with an ear infection, and taking antibiotics. Maybe next time. I've called but can't get anyone. I'm going to try again.

I hope your day has been good. Lots of food, with family and good friends. And praying for calm in India.

RD, if they're selling guns in SC, you can bet someone is selling them in North Carolina. Ivansmom, I couldn't help but laugh about your take on "Black Friday". The gun folks will find money from somewhere to stock up. And not just here in this country, but they do that in other countries too. Buying weapons instead of addressing other needs. I suspect some may feel that if they have the guns, there will be less competition for those things that are needful.

Rant over. Enjoy the rest of your evening. Night, boodle. Sweet dreams.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 27, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Bless you Ivansmom.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 27, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I am still stuffed from dinner at 2 pm!!

Since the first 2 games were blowouts,perhaps tonight's matchup will be closer

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 27, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Me too! And I didn't eat that much - just a little bit of everything - guess that's what did me in.

*Faxing chocolate chip/peanut butter chip cookies, cranberry bread to Canadian friends*

Posted by: seasea | November 27, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Hi folks... home from Bawlmer where we feasted with the best of em'. Everyone got to hold the little baby girl as much as they wanted... the new parents are enjoying their baby and enjoying others enjoying her too. Just the right amount of relaxed. I'm sure it will show in the little one's personality as she grows older.

I love Thanksgiving for all the same reasons, ftb... it's about the only holiday in the US where you can say "Have a great Thanksgiving!" without offending anyone (anyone worth worrying about, that is). I love being with the people I love and sharing the good times and good thoughts and good food with them.

On the way home tonight I was thinking of my mom and dad and how proud they'd be that we still gather together, the group getting bigger and bigger. They are always with us in spirit and it's because of them that we love each other so much. We have lots to be thankful for... that's just one thing.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 27, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

TBG, your lyrical posts about the lady baby and your family and your memories of your parents are really wonderful, and touching, and *familiar* in the best possible way. Such a pleasure to read.

Posted by: Yoki | November 27, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely, Yoki.

Yello, until he graduates, you still have one over on him.

Trying to fall in to bed right now. Tomorrow morning begins the final week of the /insert project name here/ Death March, which began early last spring. All weekend, 24/7 online coverage scheduled for next week.

I hope the person who's making her name by putting an impossible deadline on this isn't immune to karma.

Posted by: -dbG- | November 27, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Many happy returns to all boodlers, those groggy from holiday overindulgence, and those awaiting faxes of leftovers. Just returned form a quick trip over to Frostdottir's apartment. That is what I am most thankful for this year-that Frostdottir has a job and her own place. Have to hand it to Mr. F, he made preparing her for this step his main mission in life for the last 3 years. I'm sure there were times Iraq looked like a better assignment.

The fresh turkey was a big hit and well worth the price for the gravy alone. I've been making what the frostfam considers excellent gravy for more than 30 years and have never made any as good as this.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 27, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

And that she's smart enough to know not to do it again without giving us months to rest.

Posted by: -dbG- | November 27, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

dbG-I don't know from Karma, but "what goes around comes around" didn't become a cliche for nothing. Hope all goes well.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 27, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

When I got to #2’s house they were still waiting for the turkey to be done so I ended up eating dinner with them. We spent a lot of time and energy trying to get the youngest granddaughter to eat her miniscule bite of squash. Access to dessert depended on it. The squash finally disappeared from her plate but none of us was sure whether she actually ate it or managed to hide it somewhere. But she did have dessert - pumpkin pie with chocolate ice cream, yikes. She inhaled it, so I guess it was a good combination in her opinion.

I went to #2’s house and joined her in feeding her friend’s two Great Dane puppies, if the word can really apply to about 60 pounds each of dog. Then we fed the horse she cares for. None of the animals needed coaxing to eat, including her own dog who made quick work of some of the orts I’d brought for him.

I’m doing some online shopping tonight and have a couple of ideas for the daughters, so I am feeling less anxiety about the whole gift thing. Glad to know that you all had a great day with much food and family. Hope the boodlers to the north. west and east enjoyed the day vicariously.

Posted by: badsneakers | November 27, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving to the boodle. I had to choose a new ID but I am not new to the boodle...just a permanently slightly mixed-up person. Like our economy but not as bad. :-)

It is snowing out here in Colorado. I spent an early dinner at my husband's cousins' home deep in the canyon/foothills next to Pike National Forest. It was so quiet and peaceful but I'm always hoping to spot a mountain lion like the cousins have done more than once. Maybe next time.

Posted by: Windy3 | November 27, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

*Grover waves to Windy3*

Posted by: Yoki | November 27, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Who's peekin' out from under a stairway
Calling a name that's lighter than air
Who's bending down to give me a rainbow
Everyone knows it's Windy

Who's tripping down the streets of the city
Smilin' at everybody she sees
Who's reachin' out to capture a moment
Everyone knows it's Windy

And Windy has stor-my eyes
That flash at the sound of lies
And Windy has wings to fly
Above the clouds (above the clouds)
Above the clouds (above the clouds) were you in a previous Boodle life, Windy?

Meanwhile, the Iggles got tired of having Westbrook score all their touchdowns (he has four so far), so DeSean Jackson, the Next Big Name in Football, just scored one. They lead the Cards 41-20. It's great to see the ressurrection of Donovan McNabb, too.

There's 9 minutes left in the 4th quarter, so it's not looking got for the T-Day tiara for bc: he has the Cards, while LiT and I have the Iggles.

Very reluctantly (I swear! I'm not lyin'!) had dessert a little while ago: had to split my affections between a small piece of my wife's punkin pie and a small piece of my daughter's cheesecake. What's a man to do? Sometimes it's sheer hell being me.

The spatchcocked, salted and baking powdered turkey was terrific, as was Kim's onion/sage stuffing recipe. Man, oh, man, I'm gonna be in pig leftover heaven for a few days. At my son's insistence, we also had the spiral-cut honey-glazed ham. I swear I heard the table groan under the weight.

McNabb just threw his fourth TD. And it's after 11 p.m., time for bed. Tomorrow is Get Out and Put Up the Christmas Decorations Day, a.k.a. Red and Green Friday.Supposed to go up to 55 here tomorrow -- likely to be the warmest its gonna get twixt now and March, so we better put 'em up while we can.

Night, Boodle. Hope you all had a good day today.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 27, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Good evening, all.

A really nice Thanksgiving at Mom's house -- it was great to spend time with the family and the food was fabulous (probably because everyone contributed to the dinner and desserts, even the kids.)

The football was less than stellar, but we were so busy prepping, cooking, talking, snacking (You wouldn't have *believed* the elbowing going on to get at the crispy sections of turkey skin when I pulled the bird out of the oven. I'm going to be bruised and sore for weeks. My Mom and daughters in that kitchen make Bill Laimbeer and Dennis Rodman under a basket look like Mohandas Gandhi and the Dali Lama at a formal tea.) and laughing that we didn't need to give the games all of our attention.

Hours later -- I'm home, still full and happy.

Ok, and a little sore around the ribs, too.

G'night, all.


Posted by: -bc- | November 27, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Windy's driving a subie, I think.

This last game wasn't that bad, but overall ,yeh, a lousy football day.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 27, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Windie might be Birdie-eidriB

Full and warm. Pie with neighbors was delicious, but best was the mixed fresh fruits to dress with a dollop of unsweetened cream.

What is for breakfast? Pie and coffee, natch. Lots of papers to grade in the AM.

Thankful for TBG's ladybaby, who graces us all. So very sad about the debacle and deaths in India. Peace requires so much, especially justice and participation. The upcoming meetings in Mumbai were (are?) to look at policy tools for righting the sinking global economic ark. Justice is greatly helped by economic health. I am worried that these events portent difficult times and tetchy, tetchy, triggers of terrorist irrationality.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 28, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Digest, sleep, and be merry, Boodle; for tomorrow, we may buy!

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 28, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Finally home after a fun thanksgiving...then work which wasn't all the fun.Cold inside my home 47 and trying to get a roaring fire going in the stove.It looks like everyone had a wonderful day,even our neighbours to the north.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 28, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

I’m happy to hear that everyone had a great Thanksgiving. I’m drooling reading about your delicious food.

My dog didn’t catch any of my neighbour’s pigeons, so no pigeon for me for Thanksgiving. She has been chasing them off and on for over a year now but never caught them. It’s either the pigeons are too fast for her or she just chase them to have some fun.

I think this mobile phone gun is way neater than the tax free South Carolina gun.

Posted by: rainforest1 | November 28, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning, friends. I hit the bed, and went straight to sleep. Just waking up, so it was a good night for me. I slept all night.

Mudge, did the table really groan? That must have been one big ham.

Well the holiday is over, and now folks are running, and I mean that literally, to the shopping malls. Some in NC opened at three o'clock this morning. They're trying to get those few dollars. My sister said last night she will be in that mix this morning. I'm not going, but if I could go, I'm always afraid I would get run over. Sometimes those crowds can get out of hand.

Scotty, Slyness, Martooni, Yoki, and all, good morning and take care doing the shopping.*waving*

It's suppose to be mild here today after a cold start. It was nice and warm yesterday. A really great day to be outside. And, oh, that sun, just so bright. Have a great day, folks.

Time to swim.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 28, 2008 6:01 AM | Report abuse

Good morning Boodle. Nice to see all the reports of good times had by so many.

Another easy day planned for me. Feeling better able to cope after taking yesterday for me.

Cassandra, lovely to see you up and about and starting us all off with your greetings. Wise not to get into the shopping fray, I think.

Have a great morning, everybody.

Posted by: Yoki | November 28, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, everybody! Hi Cassandra!

Mudge, good luck with the Christmas decorations. Mr. T got busy and put up the exterior trees and lights yesterday afternoon. The big Christmas tree is up in the living room but not yet decorated. I don't know when I'll get around to it. I love the smell!

We do have a new exterior decoration this year. A couple of years ago, Mr. T purchased a half whiskey barrel. He put a 4 by 4 post in it with hooks for flowerpots so I could have extra flowers in the backyard. (This summer it was petunias.) Last year after Christmas we bought red and green lights on sale, and yesterday we strung them between the barrel and the top of the post. It looks festive in the dark!

I had to laugh at a buzz in this morning's Observer:

Thanksgiving, a holiday for men and boys.

Posted by: slyness | November 28, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse


That Buzz at the Observer is something else. I usually read it at my dad's house. He gets the paper everyday. He won't allow them to deliver it, he goes to the store and pick it up every morning. And we laugh at a lot of the comments in the Buzz.

My favorite this morning...

"Oil-- Just when we decided to go in "rehab", the "pusher" lowers the price."

I know my neighbor thinks I've gone around the bend. I laughed out loud, really loud. My thinking, somebody hit the nail squarely on the head.

I wonder if some of those quotes aren't coming from comedy writers?

The walk was slow this morning. I missed yesterday, and it seems I had to get back into it again. I want to extend the walk, but I think I need to go slow. This is so hard.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 28, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, free of charge I offer you Yoki's Exercise Rationalization:

Any exercise is better than none. So I look at this way: if I can't do the 45 minutes on the bike I should be doing, 10 minutes is better than avoiding the bike. If I'm not swimming 75 laps in the pool, 5 is better than staying dry.

Keep plugging away. Since I'm such a slug, it doesn't get easier the way the fit people promise, but it eventually becomes part of the routine and I miss it when I'm traveling or otherwise indisposed.


Posted by: Yoki | November 28, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Happy Leftovers Day, everyone!!! :-)

I think Windy used to have feathers...

So, I go out to the Dawn Patrol runway this morning, and NO AIRPLANES! Not even Snoopy on his doghouse. Telecommuting is a wonderful thing. No, really, I AM working! 'Mudge, don't look at me like that...

Oh, and guess what?? "Mork and Mindy" marathon on SciFi today!!! *happy dances* Too bad the TV's not in the computer room... ;-)

And I really, really wish news of shopping shenanigans was all we had to focus on today... *SIGHHHHH*

*mapping-out-the-leftovers-strategy-for-the-weekend-and-a-few-extra-jogging-sessions-to-compensate Grover waves (the ones that Yoki left for me, anyway) ;-)*

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 28, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

NEW KIT!!!! :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 28, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

SPEND MORE BORROWED FUNDS? Sure, that should solve the problem. And what does the Fix look like really?

We have created monsters in the form of omnipotent economists. They are not what they seem.

Perhaps society has simply overplayed them.

Posted by: JamesRaider | November 28, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

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