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I showed my eldest all the various Electoral College scenarios, including those in which McCain pulls the inside straight. She was appalled. She's an Obama supporter. A McCain victory is something that stretches her young brain to the snapping point. She can't countenance it even as a hypothetical.

"If McCain wins," she said, "I'm going to college in EUROPE."

(I wonder if that would be cheaper. We'll look into that.)

Her dramatic threat reminded me of a headline I have been meaning to suggest to the editors of The Onion:

HONOR STUDENT VOWS
TO USE DRUGS
IF OBAMA LOSES

I tried to offer my child some bromides about taking the long view if her candidate loses, and the importance of supporting our government, and so on, the whole reassuring-Dad, ultra-sensible, promiscuously even-keeled, Gergenesque line of reasoning that probably boils down to the simple fact that I'll still have a job no matter which side wins.

(Journalists have no opinions, as you know, much less biases; we glide through life without snags or reactions, like argon and the other noble gases.)

I do genuinely think that we become overly focused on the presidency [please ignore my current case of pollitis] and remain alarmingly ignorant about the other vectors in modern society. Presidents can do lots of things, from waging war to appointing Supreme Court justices, but there are levers they can barely reach, and others that resist their firmest shove. Moreover, our Constitution is designed to make the ship of state an ocean-going tanker that can't turn on a dime. The ability of the White House to rivet our attention is not matched by its ability to shape daily life.

The most important event of the last 25 years, for example, may not have been anything that came out of the political world, but rather the development of the personal computer and the Internet, which in turn played a key role in circulating capital on a global scale at the touch of a button.

Wisdom has its pros and cons. When you get older you can become idealistic about your own cynicism. I always advise people that if they really want something to believe in, they should try nihilism. One has to be guarded, lest disappointment skewer the heart. By middle age you have scars from the impact of all the dreams that fell from space.

This attitude staves off the grief when your candidate loses, but also dampens the thrill when your candidate wins.

It was not always so: I remember how I felt in 1980 when Reagan won: Disbelieving. Thrown for a loop, shattered, stomped on, intellectually exiled from my country. On my campus (not exactly radical as campuses go), few people took Reagan seriously. He couldn't possibly win. Carter's biggest problem was that he was too conservative! This was known. This was taught. Reagan was just a simpleton. College campuses have an alarming amount of groupthink even while glorifying independent inquiry.

So Reagan's victory felt seismic, a violent shifting of what had seemed to be a predictable reality. I remember thinking: What kind of country is this? Later in life I thought: Kid, you should've gotten out more.

I think of the guy from San Francisco who flew into DC the day after the 2004 election. I interviewed him down by the Reagan building, where G.W. Bush was about to make a speech. This San Franciscan said he flew to DC in a mad panic because he couldn't believe - just couldn't get his mind around the fact - that Bush had beaten Kerry. He had to see for himself what was going on. He said something like this: "No one I know voted for Bush."

It's a big country. The Democrats have the upper hand going into tomorrow but I think it'll be a late night. College in Europe is unlikely but not out of the question.

--

My friend Carl Hoffman, who rides the Lunatic Express, has won an award for an article about traveling on the Amazon. Here's Carl's latest dispatch, from Indonesia. Excerpt:

'There are no roads to Leksula. There is no Internet. Nothing but sea and sand, palm trees and jungle-covered mountains rising behind the village where deep within, one man told me, lived people "with no religion." The engineer on the ship that brought me there said they were "cannibals." Leksula is hot, humid and deeply quiet. Still. Little moves, except children, who are everywhere, tumbling on the sand, diving off the pier, throwing each other into the ocean, playing with a joy and abandon long absent from the organized soccer fields and playgrounds of American cities.'

By Joel Achenbach  |  November 3, 2008; 7:46 AM ET
 
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As someone said recently, "I'm gonna need a drink Wednesday one way or the other."

:-)

And reposting from previous Kit:

Mr. Beinart needs more coffee, obviously.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/02/AR2008110201718.html

Culture war? Uh, no.

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 3, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

I've done my civic duty. I stopped by the Democratic headquarters Saturday morning and picked up a list of folks to call. Between the calling, taking care of my daughter's hair and nail needs for a Sataurday evening event, photographing said event,caring for the dogs & puppies, and kitchen/laundry duties, multitasking was the MO for the weekend. This election cycle has me mentally exhausted. If the election breaks for the Republicans, as I've said before, I'll just have to work on the family bunker.

Posted by: -jack- | November 3, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Mew kit, new plug:

I am sponsoring Yellojkt's Election Prediction Pool (YEPP) for anyone willing to take a stand on their prediction of the Obama (or McCain) victory margin. You can also compare your guess with 19 journalistic and internetistic superstars that don't seem to have any better clue than the rest of us.

http://livebythefoma.blogspot.com/2008/11/yepp-yellojkts-election-prediction-pool.html

Also, see the tail end of the last boodle for important announcements by Pop Socket on game changing endorsements by Wonkette and Jon Swift.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Scotty, I read Beinart's article and I think he said Palin is still stuck in the old model of "scary other vs. safe us" but that most of America has moved past that. Seems about right to me. He thinks that severe economic crises make cultural differences seem irrelevant. I hope he's right.

Posted by: Wheezy1 | November 3, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

And speaking of teenagers, it seems that according the WaPo front page story, my problems in high school were because I wasn't watching ENOUGH sexually explicit television and music videos. If I only knew then...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/02/AR2008110202592.html

And these kids are watching Sex And The City and Friends and That 70s Show. Imagine the teen pregnancy rate if they had access to Moonlighting or 90210 or Hart to Hart. Now there was risque teevee, buddy.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Courtesy of Celebritology, Evangaline Lilly's Halloween costume:

http://icydk.com/2008/11/01/lets-hope-this-is-a-costume/

Don't tell me I never gave you anything, mudge. btw, any leftover crab claws you can fax me?

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Umm ... can I SCC the *meaning* of my earlier post. I didn't know who Beinart was, read his article at face value. Then I Wiki'd him and found out he has a webtv show with Jonah Goldberg, for Pete's sake!

So obviously, no matter how reasonable it seemed at first glance, I don't agree with his article. Sorry, Scotty.

Posted by: Wheezy1 | November 3, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' all...

Good points there, Joel. Particularly the one about middle age and the scars from crashed dreams. I have actually allowed myself to become cautiously optimistic about tomorrow. I hope I won't regret it come Wednesday morning.

Just in case anyone is wondering whether Obama's campaign is working hard to win Ohio, I was visited three times this weekend (twice yesterday) by Obama volunteers going door to door to make sure everyone knows they can still vote early today, where to vote, and basically just being very friendly. They even stopped at my McCain-supporting neighbor's house and she didn't set the dogs on them.

Haven't seen or heard from a single McCain campaigner and their local HQ is only two blocks from here. I suppose they're banking on his negative ads that imply we're all going to die a horrible death at the hands of Obama's terrorist buddies and that if we survive, Obama will tax us to death, we'll all be unemployed, and a plague of locusts will devour our children. I'm still waiting for them to play the "raining fire and brimstone" card.

So it goes. ;-)

Off to the races here... Got an insanely busy day lined up and nothing is getting done with me sitting at the 'puter.

Peace out :-)

Posted by: martooni | November 3, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I didn't apply to graduate programs at the University of California in 1971 because their radical right-wing governor seemed likely to trash higher education (ended up that UC did OK).

So I ended up in a state where students snickered at right-wing TV station editorials, shortly before that editorialist became a long-serving member of the Senate. The state university system continued to do nicely even if it was a hotbed of immorality and Communism.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | November 3, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Slyness, I won't be going to see Obama. I'm not a big hero-worshipper. I'm already working on my criticisms of his Cabinet selections. "Yeah, it was deeply brilliant to put Richardson in Homeland Security, but THAT OTHER SLEAZEBALL in Interior? Jeez, Obama, what are you thinking?" That sort of thing. Of course I'm gonna vote for Obama, and darned happy to do so. I believe no Republican political appointee should be allowed in any position for even a short time, and a Dem victory should expedite that. Obama = Compound W?

Does Hoffman's guide refer to those without religion as "los sin Dios?"

yello, your predictions effort would entail my guessing the extent of upcoming Rovethefts, and I'm unable to predict the amount of election tampering that the disloyal opposition is going to attempt. I'm more worried about that than, say, Ann Coulter voting multiple times.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 3, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Scotty and Wheezy, I think you are doing Beinart a disservice. His point in the column is that he thinks Palin is an unpleasant vestige of cultural conflict that we can no longer afford and no longer wish to waste our time on. His whole point is "Culture war? Uh, no." As to his unsavory connections to Jonah Goldberg -- Beinart's Wikipedia page notes that this is a program that is supposed to be liberal vs. conservative, with Goldberg in the conservative role. My biggest problem with Beinart is that he was a vocal proponent of the Iraq War, arguing that liberals and Democrats should be in support of it. That is a big error in judgment. It was a common error in judgment, but still... I feel like maybe the advocates for war should spend a little longer in the wilderness, gaining wisdom, before they can make a claim on our ears again.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 3, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

That's why I had to paint Ohio a very light red: The Diebold Factor.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Why steal votes retail when it's cheaper to fix elections at the wholesale level?

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Cars owned by former Presidents:

http://www.latimes.com/classified/automotive/highway1/la-hy-presidents-cars-pg,0,258054.photogallery

My favourite is the '67 Mustang convertible, followed closely by the Thunderbird convertible. My Grandpa had a T-bird hardtop and I'd gaze into the front turn signal/running light with my cowboy gun bedecked sunglasses to see how well they worked.

Posted by: -jack- | November 3, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Jumper,
The talk is already that Gates will stay in place at Defense. Talk about a masterful politician being able to pull that off.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I'm facing a tough day at the office today, and this helped, especially the chemistry metaphor. I hadn't realized that I was suffering from a deficiency but apparently I was because that really made me happy. I guess I need to visit xkcd more often.

Posted by: kbertocci | November 3, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

SCC: simile

Posted by: kbertocci | November 3, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I'll step across the aisle here to show that I can, and give some cred to some conservative Republicans (at least they were then...) out of Raleigh; IT specialists and programmers who assisted in identifying hackable election systems here in NC and assisted in screaming bloody murder until the state made some very good changes to help prevent this sort of thing. Because some of 'em still believe in the American Way. It's not perfect yet, but other states should look at what we accomplished here.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 3, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

As to Eldest AchenDaughter's fears, 538.com (I'm too lazy to spell it out) had a post last night that ran the McCain victory scenarios.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/what-mccain-win-looks-like.html

There are more plausible episodes of 'Sliders'. Most required 6-8 point swings in the polls.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Back from a weekend of moving more boxes, trying to get Dear Child trick-or-treating (she's afraid of the masks...I don't blame her), etc. Candy wasn't enough of a bribe to get her to walk amongst the horde.

Only saw last night's game. I've gotten spoiled these past few weeks with double digits; I've only got 9 so far this week (not quite a Wile E. splat from a ledge...more like a Tom & Jerry frying pan to the head). Tonight I've got the Skins, but we'll see how that goes. The worst that can happen though is a tie with Mudge and bc. (Aside to Mudge...don't let the shoes fool you; I'm a tomboy through-and-through. Having lots of brothers tends to have that effect.)

Off to figure out why I don't have heat, and then unpacking boxes. Have a happy day all.

Posted by: LostInThought | November 3, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

First, the sports:
I'm still celebrating mancrush Lewis Hamilton's first Formula 1 World Driver's Championship. He took the championship yesterday by finishing 5th in the Brazilian GP, passing cars as they slewed about in a rainstorm on the last turn of the last lap, moving high enough in the race's results finish the season exactly one point ahead of race winner Filipe Massa. Exciting stuff.

Mudge, it does not look good for us tonight vs. LiT in the weekly NFL picks. The *best* we can hope for is to tie her. I'm tellin' ya, she knows what she's doing. Plus, I think she can throw a 40 yard frozen rope with a spiral tight enough to bring tears to Sonny Jurgensen's eyes. Miami, indeed. Sheesh.

Politics are important, for sure, and I agree that personal computing and the Internet - the tools of the Information Age - most important changes in our society over the last 25 years. Something to reconsider here, I think, is how the Information Age is transforming our Political and Economic Systems, for better or worse (hey, maybe recycle, er, I mean *update* some Bad Information stuff?).

Would the Man in the Basement recognize the current state of Democracy as what he was fighting for?

Or would he be kneeling on the banks of the Potomac, looking up at the Monument, crying, "You *maniacs*! You're not thinking, you're reacting! You've replaced substance thought with and speed and volume and tabloid journalism! You've over-informed yourselves to h3ll! D@mn you! D@mn you all to h3ll!"

Or something like that.

On another note, I posted somthing about the GOP campaigns, wondering if the Republican Party has become the Donner Party.

http://www.10thcircle.com/10/?p=256

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 3, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

The take-away message from the 538 post is that if McCain loses Florida, Ohio, or North Carolina his goose is pretty much cooked. And we have boodlers in all those states, so we know who to personally blame if things go haywire.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

This is a very wise kit. Remember, we aren't electing a dictator. We have institutions and laws to protect us from executive power. Yes, recent history has shown that these buffers are weaker than they should be, but this should be a clarion call to renew our commitment to shoring these up, not an excuse to simply hope that we never again have a president who needs to be restrained.

But as to the emotional reaction to the election. A McCain victory would be psychologically devastating because so many people have gotten their hopes up, many for whom hope is a new experience. And this hasn't just been wishful thinking, it has been backed up by copious polling data. So if it turns out that all those spikey graphs have been wrong, well, Nate Silver might wish he had never identified himself.

As for me, although intellectually I understand that the Republic Will Survive, I have a ridiculous amount of emotional attachment to an Obama victory. His would be a victory of intellectualism and optimism, two things I am quite big on.

The optimism is especially important to me. For one key difference in the philosophical approaches to these campaigns has been the attitude shown regarding the American people. McCain has based his campaign largely on a cynical notion that the public can be easily manipulated via scare tactics and blatant appeals to identity politics.

Obama, on the other hand, has always banked on the belief that Americans are better than that. I mean, the whole notion that a man who looks like him and has his name would be accepted by America is a fundamental vote of trust in our better selves. And I don't want him to be proven wrong.

Finally, of course, the last 8 years has been kinda like being stuck in a bad relationship that you can't get out of. A dark oppressive soul-sucking weight.

I just want to really feel good about the person in the White House. Even if he can't solve all the world's problems (which he clearly cannot) I just want to feel willing to wait three hours to shake his hand when he comes a'calling. I've waited a long time to feel that way.

And I'm not the only one.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 3, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

If Sarah Vowel hadn't already used it for a book title I'd have to say boodlers are "Wordy Shipmates" this morning.

Shout out to Rainforest, who was with us last night. Loved her comment about problems convincing a supporter of the other party to see the error of her ways.

Mr. F says he hasn't received a phone call from a Florida Obama volunteer for a few days now. That they were able to track him down on his cell phone with a VA area code is a testament to their organization. That they stopped shortly after he told one he had already mailed his ballot shows their incredible discipline. But what fuels this organization and discipline? It's not all money. Who else would allow you to pull a list of phone numbers off the web, make your calls, then count on you to report your results? No one. Even if he weren't my favored candidate, and even if I start looking at western Ontario properties on Wednesday, this will be a campaign to remember.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and what RD said at 9:34 is spot on.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I wanted to clarify that I will not hold Nate Silver, or any pollster, personally liable should McCain win. There is no shame in being wrong as long as your process is honest.

What alarms me is the way that people have been willing to quantify victory based on polls. When you go to 538 you see a "percent win" number. Now, I understand what this means, but the perception is still that a hard number has been applied to soft data.

This can be dangerous because it sweeps systemic uncertainties under the rug. This is why many people are uncomfortable when, say, scientists assigned a percentage to Global Warming. It is subtly misleading.

Partly, too, there is a very human tendency to discount small probabilities. A 5 percent probability of something still means that it will likely happen 1 out of 20 times.

All of which just means that a riot against the pollsters is probably not justified should McCain win.

Which isn't to say it won't happen.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 3, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Ummm, college in Europe? I've been looking at apartement rentals in Santiago.

Whether the Monarchists or the Anarchists win, I'm having a drink at the BPH.

Now, plugging a political announcement. VOTE for Brag, buy his book.

Posted by: Braguine | November 3, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

There are two statistical problems, the reliability of the polls and the meta-poll data extracted from them and then the independence of different polls and methodology. If there is a Bradley/Diebold/"Let's just lie to pollsters" Effect it would affect several races equally.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of 5% chances, everybody knows that a natural 20 overcomes all modifiers.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Just to clarify...

I took Beinart as saying Palin's poor peformance could be attributed to fighting a dead culture war, as opposed to questions over competence.

I would suggest the truth lies 180 degrees from Beinart's premise.

That is all.

*somewhat-enervated-from-dealing-with-no-elevators-while-working-more-than-15-stories-up Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 3, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I heard a pollster on the radio last week dismiss the Bradley effect. He described the situation in the 1982 CA governor's race as respondents saying they were undecided when in fact they were going to vote for Bradley's opponent, George Deukmejian.

Obama's success doesn't depend on undecideds and 1982 (my last year in college) is an oh-so-distant memory.

Posted by: Fifty | November 3, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know of a website that lists ALL the laws Bushco has broken? I found one that lists one per day, but over 8 years that wasn't enough for a complete record. Okay that last bit was a joke, maybe, but I'm still looking for something like that for real.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

bc, your imaginings of the other George W's thoughts reminded me of a good re-run I heard this weekend: "Speaking of Faith" on NPR was on the subject of the Founders and the separation of church and state. The point was made that George W. Bush has been criticized for invoking the name of the Almighty too often, bringing God into political discourse more than some people consider seemly. However, said Steven Waldman, if you read George Washington's speeches, he did that much more. But there was a crucial difference: Washington didn't just pray for God to support the young U.S. of A. He prayed and worked to be sure that he and his country were worthy of God's support, and he feared that if they were not worthy, God might not allow them to prevail. Washington specifically worried that because the troops were too profane, taking the Lord's name in vain and drinking to excess, that they might lose the war and God might wait until they improved themselves morally before He granted them victory at some later date. In that light, I think I imagine GW's reaction to our current situation somewhat differently than your scenario.

Posted by: kbertocci | November 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

jumper, along the lines of what you are talking about, not a list and not all the laws, but here's a 100pp report from a law school that held a conference on the subject of the WAR CRIMES that have been committed by the Bush administration:

http://www.mslaw.edu/MSLMedia/LTV/6.4.pdf

Posted by: kbertocci | November 3, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Good morning! Joel, this is a good and timely Kit. The Boy has expressed feelings similar to the Achendaughter's about the possibility of a McCain win. Though I fervently hope we won't have to test this, I found myself assuring him that the country would survive. I described the Reagan win (I felt like Joel, though my college campus was more prepared for it) and its aftermath, and reminded him we'd made it through eight (!) years of Bush-Cheney. I even suggested we'd survive an unplanned Palin presidency.

That said, RD, you expressed my feelings about this election very well. Along with so many people, I have a sense of optimism and possibility that has been missing for a long time. This is a cliche now but for me this really is a chance for hope to triumph over fear. We have been ruled by fear for so long and it is so tiring. I'm excited to hear a politician say that America is better than that. I believe it is true. I want to see that belief validated.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 3, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

*faxing yello two crab claws and a tupperware of crab chowder, plus a big wedge of clafouti. So, yes, thank you for the Evangeline Lilly link. I like the dress (it fires up the old sexy schoolmarm thing), hate the blond locks. But I can find it in my heart to forgive her just about anything [except maybe Dominic Moynehan] [although better him than Sawyer] [although everyone knows she belongs with Jack.] [Or me] [mainly me].*

Never thought I'd EVER find myself typing "a big wedge of clafouti." But it just shows to go, this is a world where almost anything can happen. Except McCain winning tomorrow. Joel, I about choked when I saw the headline of this kit. Try not to do things like that: I'm on heart meds, ya know. And the honor student won't be the only one doing major pharmaceuticals if McC wins; trust me on this. Nor the only one moving to Europe.

I tend to agree with SciTim on the Beinart piece. I didn't think it was very well written, but I think his fundamental point is more or-less correct, with a few tweaks. I wouldn't have said that the hated Culture Wars are over, but rather that the Good Guys (that's us) have finally turned a corner, and that over the next decade we can start to consolidate our gains. And Beinart is fundamentally correct that it is the younger generation that has and will turn the tide.

Part of the problem is to use the correct terminology: to say something like "the tide has turned" [or is turning] rather than to proclaim one side has "won" and one side has "lost." Won/lost is two decisive, too final, too all-encompassing. The ultra-high-speed pace of today's technology allows us to overlook another fundamental truth: that "change" is really a generational thing, and requires (by definition) a substantial period of time (i.e., 20-30 years, a generation, in other words) for generational change to happen (d'uh).

(The human species has known this fact for about 2,800 years, by my count, since it is one of the core lessons of the story of Moses and his generation not being allowed to enter the Promised Land. His generation had to die out before the next generation could lead. A lesson clear as a bell.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

(Continuing the rant above, broken into sections to defeat the "Hold for Review" bot):

But I think Beinart missed an even larger point, a substantial semi-political seismic shift that will gradually become apparent in the next four years. Obama's election tomorrow will substantially reverse and put an end to four decades of the success of hated Richard Nixon's 1968 Southern Strategy and the backlash of the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s. It was the Democrats who primarily fought and won the Civil Rights movement, and it cost them mightily: all those hard-core Southern Democrats switching parties and becoming Republicans, and giving them control for most of the last 40 years. Tomorrow that strategy dies. The Republican Party's dominance, based heavily (though certainly not exclusively by any means) on racism (or if racism is too strong a word, then perhaps let us call it "an almost-all-white exclusivity") comes to an end tomorrow. The Conservative movement within the GOP is nearly bankrupt morally and intellectually (and its NeoCon cult is deader than a doornail, starting tomorrow). The GOP is split down the middle, has nowhere to go, and must find a whole new definition of itself. (Ask yourself whether you think the likes of Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter have the intellectual heft to do that particular chore. Bahahahahahahahaha.)

Two cases in point.

One. When I was in high school in the early 1960s, I barely knew what a homosexual was. I'm not sure that, if asked, I could give a reasonably clear definition of one, male or female. There was this one neighborhood guy who hung around the boys' sports team, and there were rumors about him. But basically he seemed like a normal guy (whatever the hell that means). If pressed to name somebody who I thought might be homosexual, male or female. I might have possibly come up with Liberace. That was it: in the entire world, the only two possible gay people I could have named would have been Liberace and the neighborhood guy. That's it.

So let's look at today's generation. They turn on the TV, and they have Will & Grace, Ellen, Rosie, Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. There's half a dozen or a dozen mainstreeam/network shows that have gay or lesbian or bi characters, and gay/lesbian plotlines turn up with regularity.

And here's the thing: NOBODY CARES. Or perhaps more accurately put, a substantially sizable portion of the country doesn't care, and of that smaller subset who do care a little bit, they really don't care very much, or enough to do much of anything about it. Only a small subset get all bent out of shape about it, and are still fighting that part of the Culture War. But the fact is, they have irretrievably lost, and either don't know it or don't care to recognize their loss. But in 20 years, gay marriage will be common, and people will doner what all the d@mn fuss was about way back when, in the early 2000s.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

(Third and final section):

Second case in point: race. I don't have to paint any picture of what race was like in, say, 1962. And remember that movie, "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner," about the white girl dating (and wanting to marry) a black guy. Shocking, simply shocking.

Take a look around at the younger generation today. Would the notion of a white girl "dating" a black guy raise the slightest (pierced) eyebrow? Today's younger generation sooooooooooo doesn't give a hairy rat's patoot about who is boffing who, race-wise (and sometimes gender-wise) that it's a complete non-issue. Turn on any TV show and you've got Asians, Hispanics, Blacks and Whites under the age of, say, 30, all intermingling in several senses of the word, all without a single wiff of disapproval from anyone. The only people who still get huffy about that stuff are old farts my age, my generation.

Yes, there are still some pockets of resistance, even some openly obvious and obnoxious ones. I'm not saying the Culture Wars are over; but I AM saying the other side has lost, will go into increasing decline, and by the time the last Boomer has switched from assisted care to hospice, the Culture War will be dead, over, gone, kaput. And good riddance.

End of rant.

God, you have nooooo idea how much I am looking forward to tomorrow.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

AHA!!!!!!!!! That's what I suspected.

I have just proved to my own satisfaction that the "Hold for Review" bot has a size limiter/counter built into it, and it automatically rejects posts above a certain size. Perhaps Joel can ascertain this, and report to us the word count the bot uses (and maybe get it eliminated?). It is currently somewhere between 400 and 600 wrods; I'm betting 500 is the break-even point.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Best wishes for fast moving lines to all voters tomorrow. I hope that one of the enduring outcomes of this election will be a sustained increase in voter turnout.

Posted by: out-I-81 | November 3, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Hi, fifty! Excellent rant, Mudge. Lest anyone think you're just guessing about the younger generation, I'll back you up here. I was talking about race and gay marriage with the Boy and a 14-year-old friend of his on a long long drive this weekend. They both don't see the point of discrimination on either race or gender, and say most of their friends don't either (and one goes to a pretty conservative, McCain-oriented school). These things just don't resonate with them. There are culture-war type issues here where kids (not these two) get worked up, like guns and abortion, but race and gender aren't important in the same way.

The WSJ headline today says that Obama leads in home stretch. He's eight percent ahead in their poll, down from 10 percent earlier but apparently enough. The editorial is titled "Leap of Hope", has a good picture of Obama, and essentially discusses possibilities of what may happen in Obama's presidency as if it is inevitable. I don't usually read the editorial page but this was fascinating.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 3, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Shouldn't it be possible to screen undergraduate programs for further consideration just by asking how many of the students go abroad as part of their educations?

(There might need to be a fudge factor for athletics-heavy places where it's a big deal to be on a team. Maybe a small lib-arts place with big football?).

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | November 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

DotC,
Foreign study programs are almost a mandatory checklist item nowadays. How many use it does require a little more digging.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

'Mudge;

Put me down for $10 on the over for the word limit...

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 3, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Halloween was Friday, Joel. This kit is really scary. Thank goodness for xkcd and bc's donner party crack.

What a start to the week-- I already have the shakes.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 3, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I have a suspicion many of us will be live-boodling tomorrow night, and with an intensity previously unreached even for this group.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Liberace was gay? OMG!

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 3, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Mudge -

I'll bet that is based on a character count rather than a word count. So much easier to do. So 2500-3000 characters, including spaces and such?

Comment on your previous 3-part post:

Rome went out in much the same way.

DLD

Posted by: DLDx | November 3, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Cilizza's "Fix" column is calling it for Obama, 319 electoral vs. 219. He gives Obama Florida and Virgian, but not Ohio or NC. From his mouth to god's ear.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Just had yet *another* visit from an Obama campaigner, making it four visits in three days. Talk about a ground operation!

They're out hanging "Vote Obama" signs on everyone's doorknobs -- nice looking signs, btw -- that are printed with the voter's name, precinct, voting hours and a list of rules and rights regarding voting.

C'mon, Ohio! Yes we can!

Posted by: martooni | November 3, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Oops. The Cilizza link: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/?hpid=topnews

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

David Spade has a bit about his shock at learning that Freddie Mercury was gay: "The band was even named Queen. Could they make it more obvious?"

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Cizilla took 312 in the Post Contest, so he's betting both sides of the spread.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I feel for McCain and not being able to remember the 5th former Sec'y of State who endorsed him (Schulz)- I cannot for the life of me find a piece I read last night about how the reps have morphed the culture wars into an extreme version of the usual American anti-intellectualism. The writer called it the DAM (Dumb as Me) movement. If anyone has seen this, or something like it, please toss up a link. In exchange I offer up this from the New Yorker-
"Like, Socialism" the last paragraph about Socialism with an Alaskan face is the best.
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/11/03/081103taco_talk_hertzberg

Frostniece #3 to Obama volunteer staying at Grandma's house-"I had a horrible nightmare last night. Sarah Palin was president." You and me both sweetie.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

'Mudge;

What's the over/under on how many posts we'll see tomorrow evening?

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

While looking around at the news I noticed a blog that referenced David Frum's article on why he is voting for McCain, I then thought he can vote? That means he now has US Citizenship - so officially Canadians no longer need to apologize for him.

Also did a quick check on Wiki to see if he had been a dual citizen - no, but he was interested in the Socialist Party as a Youth - LOL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Frum

Posted by: dmd2 | November 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Martooni- Ma Frostbitten reports the same door-to-door activity in VA. More hang tags will go out tonight at midnight saying "Vote Today."

Minnesota Public Radio just had a piece on voter challenges at the polls. The MN legislature took action after 2004 that allows only a Minnesota voter to challenge someone's eligibility (last time there were "contract challengers" brought in from out of state). Additionally, challengers must complete an affidavit describing their personal knowledge of the person's ineligibility. Can't just say "looks too young" or "I think he's not a citizen." Apparently most voter challenges were done not because anyone was ineligible, but it was a good way to slow down the process and drive away people who couldn't wait in long lines.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

A conservative friend wrote me last week, twisted in knots that we might elect a socialist. I wrote him a polite note to debunk the socialist nonsense when I realized two things.

1. He thinks I'm a conservative fellow traveler. That makes me a crypto liberal!

2. We liberals can dream about moving to many other countries, but where's the conservative haven outside the US?

Posted by: Fifty | November 3, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Oh, Peter Beinhart...I thought you discussing Larry Beinhardt. A commentary by Larry Beinhardt would be worth reading. After all, he did such a good job on Wag the Dog and The Librarian. Peter Beinhart, not so great.

Posted by: davemarks | November 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Fifty, I like your post!

Posted by: Yoki | November 3, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

In 2000, conservatives were threatening to move to Australia if Gore won. The climate may have changed since then.

Bill Maher has been suggesting places for disgruntled conservatives to move to on his show including Oz, Sweden, Canada, Vietnam, and Russia.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of the separation of church and state (which nobody was, I guess, except me)

At the end of the church service on Sunday, when the minister would normally be at the back of the sanctuary for the benediction, our pastor instead stayed at the front and said, "Please be seated." He said, "I just wanted to take a few moments to tell you who to vote for." Everybody laughed, and he said, "Just kidding." And I thought, oh yeah, now I remember one of the reasons that I attend this church. He did encourage everyone to exercise our right to vote, calling by name a member of the congregation who recently became a citizen ("...that means you, too, Matilda!") but mostly he just wanted to make an announcement about upcoming church activities.

As most people are aware, the law doesn't allow under law for a tax-exempt religious institution to engage in partisan political activities. I would sure like to see that law enforced a little better, or at least be better-publicized. I have had at least one conversation with a member of the clergy employed by my church in which the employee in question expressed the opinion that refraining from political speech was a choice that was made by the church; she was unaware of the legalities involved.

Posted by: kbertocci | November 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Ha.
I did a did a double take at Ivansmom's mention of an
"unplanned Palin presidency" with a what?! that family is pregnant again?!

Posted by: DNA_Girl | November 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Hi Yoki!

Yello, coincidentally, same friend was complaining about Bill Maher, who is helpfully researching countries of refuge!

Sweden seems an unlikely Republican getaway however.

Posted by: Fifty | November 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Ha.
I did a did a double take at Ivansmom's mention of an
"unplanned Palin presidency" with a what?! that family is pregnant again?!

Posted by: DNA_Girl | November 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Good question, Scotty. OK, here's the Official Word from the Shop Steward's Office: tomorrow between 8 p.m. EST when the polls close, to the moment of McC's concessions speech (see Weingarten's Gene Pool contest for predicting electoral count and time of concession speech tie-breaker): 125 posts. So that's the over/under number: 125.

Number of times McC says "My friends..." in that speech: 6

Does Palin give a reasonably dignified concession speech, or is she self-agrandizing and shows no class: yes/no.

Boodlers in tears: 14

Posts by Joel during the timeframe: 4

First network to call it: CBS, at 9:48 p.m.

Last of four major networks to call it: Fox, at 11:22 p.m.

(My predictions: 339 electoral [Obama wins Ohio]; 125 posts; concession at 12:20 a.m., 6, "no," 14, 4, CBS/9:48, Fox/11:22)

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

kbert, thanks for the link. I read some of it. I have trained myself to go elsewhere than Wikipedia for such stuff, on the theory that inflammatory subjects may be unuseable due to partiality, edits, vandalism, etc. But I have been pleasantly surprised at the evolution lately of the site. The internet revolution ain't over yet. The section on the article there about Bush had a good, although incomplete, list of various crimes committed.

Speaking of which, Joel discounted Gore's and others' contributions to legislation which encouraged the growth of the 'net.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 3, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

kbert, thanks for the link. I read some of it. I have trained myself to go elsewhere than Wikipedia for such stuff, on the theory that inflammatory subjects may be unuseable due to partiality, edits, vandalism, etc. But I have been pleasantly surprised at the evolution lately of the site. The internet revolution ain't over yet. The section on the article there about Bush had a good, although incomplete, list of various crimes committed.

Speaking of which, Joel discounted Gore's and others' contributions to legislation which encouraged the growth of the 'net.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 3, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, just realized networks can't official;ly call it until West Coast polls close. So never mind on that one. They'll ALL call it at 11:01.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Good question, Scotty. OK, here's the Official Word from the Shop Steward's Office: tomorrow between 8 p.m. EST when the polls close, to the moment of McC's concessions speech (see Weingarten's Gene Pool contest for predicting electoral count and time of concession speech tie-breaker): 125 posts. So that's the over/under number: 125.

Number of times McC says "My friends..." in that speech: 6

Does Palin give a reasonably dignified concession speech, or is she self-agrandizing and shows no class: yes/no.

Boodlers in tears: 14

Posts by Joel during the timeframe: 4

First network to call it: CBS, at 9:48 p.m.

Last of four major networks to call it: Fox, at 11:22 p.m.

(My predictions: 339 electoral [Obama wins Ohio]; 125 posts; concession at 12:20 a.m., 6, "no," 14, 4, CBS/9:48, Fox/11:22)

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Good question, Scotty. OK, here's the Official Word from the Shop Steward's Office: tomorrow between 8 p.m. EST when the polls close, to the moment of McC's concessions speech (see Weingarten's Gene Pool contest for predicting electoral count and time of concession speech tie-breaker): 125 posts. So that's the over/under number: 125.

Number of times McC says "My friends..." in that speech: 6

Does Palin give a reasonably dignified concession speech, or is she self-agrandizing and shows no class: yes/no.

Boodlers in tears: 14

Posts by Joel during the timeframe: 4

First network to call it: CBS, at 9:48 p.m.

Last of four major networks to call it: Fox, at 11:22 p.m.

(My predictions: 339 electoral [Obama wins Ohio]; 125 posts; concession at 12:20 a.m., 6, "no," 14, 4, CBS/9:48, Fox/11:22)

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, just realized networks can't official;ly call it until West Coast polls close. So never mind on that one. They'll ALL call it at 11:01, except Fox, at 11:22.

Two more over/unders:

Dem gains in House seats: 18
Dem gains in Senate seats: 8

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Andrew Sullivan has finally made his official endorsement...

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/barack-obama-fo.html

Posted by: -TBG- | November 3, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Yikes, mudge. That pool is more complicated than mine.

Here goes:
Obama with 333 (are we required to name the winner?)
Over 125 posts (I can game that real easy)
Concession at 11:15 EST (bedtime in Arizona)
8 "my friends"
no - Palin vows to continue fight
15 Boodlers in tears of joy.
3 kits
ABC at 10:06
Fox sometime in 2011

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Incredible. My first 12:24 was posted AFTER my the one below it (and which got repeated). Somebody wanna figure how THAT time warp happened?

Two more over/unders:

Dem gains in House seats: 18
Dem gains in Senate seats: 8

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Andrew Sullivan has finally made his official endorsement...

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/barack-obama-fo.html

Posted by: -TBG- | November 3, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Salon disputes the teen sex/tv study:

http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=37519

Correlation is not causality

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

What's the over/under on repeat posts tomorrow evening?

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 3, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Whoaaaa....some MAJOR fluctations going on in the space/time continuum here. Jeez.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

TBG - I just finished reading Sullivan's excellent work, and was going to link to it as soon as my eyes stopped watering.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 3, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Yikes, mudge. That pool is more complicated than mine.

Here goes:
Obama with 333 (are we really required to name the winner?)
Over 125 posts (I can game that real easy)
Concession at 11:15 EST (bedtime in Arizona)
8 "my friends"
no - Palin vows to continue the good fight
Boodlers in tears of joy: all of them
3 kits
ABC at 10:06
Fox sometime in 2011

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I have a double post forthcoming. We spoke too soon about the comment machine being fixed.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Mudge! Scotty! Ivansmom! TBG! yello! I missed you!!! And everyone else!

The cruise was great, but at $0.75 per minute for the internet, I couldn't afford to boodle. We had free WiFi in Vencie, so I caught wind of a BPH. Wednesday?

*Slogging through e-mails and action items well past their "sell by" date*

Posted by: Raysmom | November 3, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Raysmom!!! *welcome back HUGSSSSS* :-)

Yep, Wednesday BPH at the usual time and place.

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 3, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

SCC: Venice

Raysmom: Maintaining a 1:1 Post-to-SCC Ratio Since 2006™

Posted by: Raysmom | November 3, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes, thanks for the Andrew Sullivan link. His initial analysis of the evils wrought by the current administration was great, but the end is the clincher. Those last couple of paragraphs got me, too. Sullivan says what I was trying to say earlier, more eloquently.

Hi Raysmom & DLD.

I'll catch up with the live election Boodling later tomorrow night. As I've mentioned, I have a rehearsal (grr!) and have instructed the Boy to man the Internet for me. Maybe I'll have him sit in on the Boodle too.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 3, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Raysmom,
Welcome back! Saw "Casino Royale" Sunday and got a longing to go back to Vencie. How lucky you are.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Joel,

At least your daughter talks about the election. Mine is apoplectic that with impressive epidemiology/breast cancer experience she can't get a position at Vanderbilt in Nashville. The son just wants to get a decent job with a philosophy degree in San Diego. They've both assured me they will vote. Meantime, my dream of a full summer spent on the coast of Portugal floats out there with the argon or ether or whatever.

I do wish McCain has stopped using the words 'fight' and 'my friends' way back when. It gives me the creeps. But, hey, Tina Fey sure has been fun.

Posted by: lisaholdren | November 3, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Joel,

At least your daughter talks about the election. Mine is apoplectic that with impressive epidemiology/breast cancer experience she can't get a position at Vanderbilt in Nashville. The son just wants to get a decent job with a philosophy degree in San Diego. They've both assured me they will vote. Meantime, my dream of a full summer spent on the coast of Portugal floats out there with the argon or ether or whatever.

I do wish McCain has stopped using the words 'fight' and 'my friends' way back when. It gives me the creeps. But, hey, Tina Fey sure has been fun.

Posted by: lisaholdren | November 3, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Yes, thanks for the Andrew Sullivan link. His initial analysis of the evils wrought by the current administration was great, but the end is the clincher. Those last couple of paragraphs got me, too. Sullivan says what I was trying to say earlier, more eloquently.

Hi Raysmom & DLD.

I'll catch up with the live election Boodling later tomorrow night. As I've mentioned, I have a rehearsal (grr!) and have instructed the Boy to man the Internet for me. Maybe I'll have him sit in on the Boodle too.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 3, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Raysmom, welcome back; missed you, too! Be prepared to bring photos and other show-and-tell to the BPH.

That Andrew Sullivan endoersement may be one of the most powerful pieces, as well as summary indictments of Bush/Cheney so far written in this campaign. Well done, Andrew!! I urge the whole boodle to read it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Maher has been advertising havens for the LIBERALS to run away to, in the unlikely event of a McCain victory. To their credit, conservatives have not made fetish of their willingness to abandon their nationality in the event of an unappealing electoral outcome. Of course, that may have something to do with the fact that they were winning the elections, even as they decried the nastiness of those evil anti-citizen liberals who were keeping them (conservatives) from doing their good works.

I never have understood -- how does one even begin to keep a straight face while arguing that liberals are opposed to the general satisfaction and welfare of the populace? Isn't that like arguing that Jesse Jackson would prefer a return to slavery, or Rush Limbaugh wants to see prescription drug-abusers hanged without trial?

As a haven for conservatives, I would recommend Singapore.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 3, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Please permit an ubergeek digression.

I was perusing through my old statistical mechanics notes just know, when I was reminded of something called "ergodicity."

Ergodicity means that the space average of a system equals the time average. That is, if you make enough measurements of identical systems at a particular moment in time, the results should yield the average over time for any individual system as well.

I suddenly realized that this is what polling is all about. So for the results of today's polling to be effective tomorrow, the system must be ergodic.

Go Ergodicity!

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 3, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

No time to boodle today,busy with something else.

McCain is not going to win,period end of the story.

what is the under over for tonight's game? my pick wash 17- pitts 14.

Have a great day everyone

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 3, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Saudi Arabia supports conservative family values.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 3, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Rhodesia?
Oops, forgot. Sorry.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 3, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I hear Paraguay has some very strong non-extradition rules just in case you have run afoul of the World Court while implementing policies in conflict with the Geneva Convention.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Saudi Arabia supports conservative family values as well. For the men anyway.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 3, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Rhodesia?
Oops, forgot. Sorry.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 3, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the double post.
My first comment bounced around the ether for a good 5 minutes.

There is also Grande Prairie AB.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 3, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

RD, with repsect to the polls, I was thinking of the repeated Observations, Zeno's paradox and Schrodinger's Cat.

If we look at the polls and the straw polls at the election sites more and more frequently as 11 EST Tuesday gets closer, (like the arrow in Zeno's paradox), will we ever see the final results announced?

And when we look in Schrodinger's cat box, who will we see?

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 3, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

They can hire big Mayflower vans and all go to He11 as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

RD, with repsect to the polls, I was thinking of the repeated Observations, Zeno's paradox and Schrodinger's Cat.

If we look at the polls and the straw polls at the election sites more and more frequently as 11 EST Tuesday gets closer, (like the arrow in Zeno's paradox), will we ever see the final results announced?

And when we look in Schrodinger's cat box, who will we see?

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Moi, a doublepost? "Paolo, he broke the President!"

Apricot pineapple pie soon. Paraguay is under new management. There is no evidence that John Galt hacked the London Derivatives Market. My head hurts.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 3, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Here you go, worst-case worriers. A friend here has come up with a possible event precipitating a McCain win, even now: Osama Bin Laden, believing a McCain win in his best interests, surrenders personally, today, to McCain's people. Very publicly, live on the Internet.

I told my friend I wished he'd kept this to himself. That's why I decided to rid myself of the image by sharing.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 3, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I have pictures of the elder Bush's moving trucks outside of the White House from Bill Clinton's first Inauguration Day.

I was a sophomore in college at the time. I remember the excitement of my candidate winning and actually being able to watch the swearing in in person. Good times.

Posted by: Moose13 | November 3, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back,Raysmom. Hope the trip was fun and exciting.

JA, my world flipped too when Reagan won. I think some folks just got angry because they had to wait in line for gas. I know I got tired of searching and waiting in line for gas. I never passed a station that was selling gas during that time. I worked out of town, and always needed gas. And sometimes after sitting in line for so long, time one got to the pump, no gas. Now that is the kind of experience that makes one want to strangle someone, anyone.

Mudge, I think you pretty much summed up the situation, but I do believe it will take some folks my way a bit longer to adjust. You know the Supreme Court's decision to integrate schools hasn't been in effect that long here. Some folks would rather eat mud.

This morning at Burger King, I stopped for a cup of coffee, and breakfast. The young woman behind the counter threw some of the condiments on my tray. Just threw them on there. And all of this after I told her I didn't want something she put on the tray. When I told her what I wanted, she threw it on the tray.

I won't be breathing easy until everything is over. And then, I'll breath slowly.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 3, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

That young person needs an older woman to have a word with her. I volunteer! I can loom and speak very gravely yet kindly, and she'll know that anyone who treats Cassandra disrespectfully will soon have a whole Boodle o' trouble.

Posted by: Yoki | November 3, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Where's CP? Tom Daschle was in Billings MT this morning, campaigning for Obama. From there he's off to Crow Agency and Bozeman. I cannot begin to tell you how reassuring it is that someone with a recognizable name is out there in these places, written off for so long.

Tempted to drive to Bismarck, ND tomorrow for the victory party at the Elks Lodge. Kent Conrad and Byron Dorgan are both supposed to be there. (I remember when Kent Conrad was tax commissioner. I was in the army and hadn't received my state forms. He answered the phone personally when I called late on a Friday afternoon and I had my forms in a hand addressed envelope on Monday.)

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm...

Current top billing on CNN.com goes to a self-described "undecided voter" who sent in some Webcam video of his existential struggles in determining who to vote for.

Anyone else see the potential for a little acting job to get prominent airtime on the Web?

Not that I'm cynical or anything...

cassandra, don't forget to breathe deeply, as well. *HUGS*

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 3, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Where's CP? Tom Daschle was in Billings MT this morning, campaigning for Obama. From there he's off to Crow Agency and Bozeman. I cannot begin to tell you how reassuring it is that someone with a recognizable name is out there in these places, written off for so long.

Tempted to drive to Bismarck, ND tomorrow for the victory party at the Elks Lodge. Kent Conrad and Byron Dorgan are both supposed to be there. (I remember when Kent Conrad was tax commissioner. I was in the army and hadn't received my state forms. He answered the phone personally when I called late on a Friday afternoon and I had my forms in a hand addressed envelope on Monday.)

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

JA-any chance we can have the boodle's comment function functioning in time to live boodle tomorrow evening?

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

JA-any chance we can have the boodle's comment function functioning in time to live boodle tomorrow evening?

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

You're just doing that to make a point, aren't you, fb?

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha!

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 3, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Andrew Sullivan, wow, just wow. I'm taking a copy of this upstate with me on Wednesday.

I've been thinking about the back and forth of campaign charges, and how the Dems have stood their ground this time. I'm proud that we've learned from 2000 and 2008 to defend ourselves, even if it takes a lawyer in every polling place in America.

I'm serious. Sad that it may take that and critical ads, calling a liar a liar (on both sides, sometimes) to make sure people have a chance to vote and candidates aren't Swift-Boated again.

We're fortunate we've received the chance to learn and grow.

I intend to be the first voter through those doors tomorrow at 7 AM.

Would it be wrong to accept all the literature handed me knowing I'd dump one side's so it can't be given to someone else and return that of my party so it can? . . . Yeah, I thought so. :-)

Posted by: -dbG- | November 3, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha!

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 3, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Andrew Sullivan, wow, just wow. I'm taking a copy of this upstate with me on Wednesday.

I've been thinking about the back and forth of campaign charges, and how the Dems have stood their ground this time. I'm proud that we've learned from 2000 and 2008 to defend ourselves, even if it takes a lawyer in every polling place in America.

I'm serious. Sad that it may take that and critical ads, calling a liar a liar (on both sides, sometimes) to make sure people have a chance to vote and candidates aren't Swift-Boated again.

We're fortunate we've received the chance to learn and grow.

I intend to be the first voter through those doors tomorrow at 7 AM.

Would it be wrong to accept all the literature handed me knowing I'd dump one side's so it can't be given to someone else and return that of my party so it can? . . . Yeah, I thought so. :-)

Posted by: -dbG- | November 3, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Hee Hee!

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 3, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Te absolvo, dbG. A priori, te absolvo.

Pax vobiscum.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, be careful what you wish for with the photos. We have 3 CDs full of them, and still haven't downloaded the pics from Venice and Rome.

Posted by: Raysmom | November 3, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Because, ya know, that's how we laugh the day away in the Merry Old Land of Oz.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 3, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon, as always, you spew hatred and bile. If you are gay, you don't seem very happy. Or "tolerant."

Posted by: GreenHornet1 | November 3, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Pax Vobiscum and sin no more dbG.

GreenHornet1, you have no idea how right you are. *sigh*

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Green Hornet, as always you remind us of the Screwtape Letters.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 3, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Huh?

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Firefox (at home) seems to behave properly. It posts quickly and without the stuttering I got earlier at work.

Wasn't the Green Hornet the first openly gay Super Heroe?

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 3, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I know Mudge, my first post was to recommend GH1 to take two little pink pills before dinner and a large white one after dinner.

Firefox seems to be working fine in the comments.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 3, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

OH NO!
NPR reports Obama's grandmother died.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

More on Mrs. Dunham's death at The Trail

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/03/obamas_grandmother_dies.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Granny story in the WaPo
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/03/obamas_grandmother_dies.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 3, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame about Obama's grandmother.

I suspected that it was going to be a near thing when he went out there a short time back.

Somehow, I think she's going to be watching tomorrow, and she's going to be very proud no matter what the result.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 3, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I am so sorry about Obama's grandmother -- so hoping she'd live through tomorrow. I'll just bet that she tried. Bless her heart, and his. He certainly knows where he came from, and it has nothing to do with skin color or nationality. He is one lucky man to have had her in his life -- and she was one lucky woman to have had him in hers.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | November 3, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The juror who had to leave the Ted Stevens trial to attend her father's funeral turns out to have been lying:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/03/AR2008110301255.html?hpid=moreheadlines

She actually left to attend the Breeder's Cup. She declared on the steps of the courthouse that she believed Stevens to be guilty "like all the other politicians." So, I would imagine that Ted Stevens will get re-elected, since he can argue that a juror just showed the jury pool was tainted by a biased nitwit who pre-judged the case, and who was present for at least part of the deliberations. Defeating Stevens would feel like an injustice in this circumstance. If this woman could get through the selection process, Stevens should be arguing, what about the other jurors? How can we know they weren't similarly biased? How can we know that they weren't swayed by this juror before she ran away?

Ivansmom and other legal-Boodlers, help me out here -- does this provide valuable grounds to help Stevens in appeal, or not?

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 3, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Monarchists and Anarchists United officially endorse Obama.

Brag, spokesman, president and member of this illustrious institution, not only endorses Obama but declares him winner, predicts dancing in the streets tomorrow!

Posted by: Braguine | November 3, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I've already voted for Obama. I can't imagine him losing; HOWEVER, as we all know, the Republicans have a talent for stealing elections. McCain has seemed a little too confident this past week. Maybe he knows something the rest of us don't.

Posted by: moongoddess1 | November 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Consider Estonia for college. Tartu University was founded in 1632, just before Obama's alma mater. It has Ivy League-type cred in some fields. There is also a branch of a Midwestern college in Estonia.

Estonians are split 35/21 toward Obama with 44% undecided. It's the Nordic thing of not venturing your opinion glibly. We were against the war against Iraq, 80/20, with few undecideds, so I'm a little disappointed by the latest poll, but it's definitely a blue country, not a battleground (though it has plenty of other experience in being a battleground).

Posted by: kristopher1 | November 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Monarchists and Anarchists United! Finally, a party for me. Where do I sign, brag?

Posted by: Yoki | November 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

It is a very sad thing that Obama's grandmother has passed away. As much as it was expected, it still has to be devastating to him and his family. The family has requested that people send donations to cancer research organizations rather than leaving or sending flowers. I hope that happens. While it's nice that people leave flowers and things at her apartment building, it's much more valuable for them to make even a small donation to a worthy charity.

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 3, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

How great that kristopher1 posted the news from Estonia! I've been there, and its a great country.

I once worked with a professor of law of Estonian extraction (I think his father, IIRC, was an exiled nationalist) who went on to become a flying judge in the North, and did and does much good for the Native communities.

When he was professing law, he wrote (with another prof and me) the first version of the federal Young Offenders Act for the Department of Justice, which was designed to protect and rehabilitate youth offenders. It has since been turned into an unnecessarily harsh and punitive instrument. So sad.

Posted by: Yoki | November 3, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I can hardly believe the US election is tomorrow. After two years of campaigning, and all the ups and downs, it'll be over and decided tomorrow.

And then the post mortem will begin.

Posted by: Yoki | November 3, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Krystopher1.

I had an uncle who lived in Estomia. My parents got a Red Cross card dated one day before the Soviet Army moved in for the second time. He had escaped from the Gulag after the first invasion.

We never heard of him again.

Posted by: Braguine | November 3, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Are we sure that isnt a misspelling?

Monarchists and Anarchists Untied?

Dag, now I have a tune cootie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8szRgIcYlY&feature=related

I have no idea if the Green Hornet was gay or not, but he had a very cool car and a pretty handy sidekick.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 3, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

BC
Our anatchists are better singers and musicians. They only toss bombs under the carriages of royals.

They don't practice musical hooliganism.

Posted by: Braguine | November 3, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

RIP, Mrs. Dunham. Ya done good. *head bowed*

SciTim, I saw that piece on the wacko juror. I think the senator's appeal will basically say, "Put her back on the panel!" *rolling my eyes*

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 3, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Well, bc, at least it was monorchidists

Posted by: Yoki | November 3, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Yikes, stupid SCC that ruined the joke: wasn't...

Posted by: Yoki | November 3, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Hi all, this is the former SonofCarl on the official roll-out of my new post-registration handle. No more injured pinkies looking for the shift key.

1. yello, I did try to work on a response to Miata-man to your query. However, there was no way to respond without snark encroachment. Silence may indeed be golden.

2. bc: “Donner Party” - LOL. If you don’t mind, I’d like the Canadian rights for that to apply to the Alberta Liberal Party. Yoki will see the humour.

3. Belated laurels to Yoki, Mudge and DNA Girl for some fine poetry welding. Remember kids, these are trained semi-professionals. As with so many things in life, always use a mask and don’t look directly at the light.

4. “Clafouti”? I have no idea whatsoever what that is. I thought that was French for “ah-choo”. [SD you had that coming for proposing disgruntled GOPartiers come to Alberta ;-)]

5. Speaking of GOP havens, I saw that yellojkt started the list with Oz. I’m not so sure about that. I think the Winkies may be superficially attracted to monetarist policy and original intent legal theory, but they tend to vote strategically and are notoriously fickle in the absence of strong leadership.

Posted by: engelmann | November 3, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Over @ the Trail, it seems someone had the good sense to man the Zapper when the rabid fringe started spewing feces among the condolences for Mrs. Dunham... *SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 3, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to dress tomorrow the way I would before a big soccer match. Pants, shirt, left sock, right sock, left shoe, right shoe, and if I find a penny heads up, it'll go into my right sock. This evening, half jokingly, I asked my wife if she'd be ok moving north of the border. To my surprise, she suggested the area west of Toronto.

Posted by: -jack- | November 3, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

engelmann, how nice to see you!

I'll bring you some Clafouti when I'm next in your fair city.

Love the Donner Party joke. Himself and I once took a large group of family and friends out to a fairly high-end restaurant and made the reservation in the name of Donner, because we could count on the hostess to bring us into the dining room by saying "Donner Party"

It cracked everybody up when it happened just that way.

Posted by: Yoki | November 3, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Jack-yes, it is best to follow every good luck ritual we've accumulated over the years. Ma Frostbitten made Tater Tot Hotdish for the Newport News Obama HQ tonight. It's a reliable favorite from a reliably blue state.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

This just in.....


http://www.docudharma.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9765

Posted by: rickoshea0 | November 3, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Alas, the zapper didn't work 100%. I'd have zapped and closed the comments altogether. Those who would troll upon an obit notice deserve no quarter.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 3, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Nate seems pretty confident over at 538, but, purely as a formality, I think I will actually vote tomorrow. You know, just to be sure.

I will be showing up, cup of coffee in one hand and book in the other a little after 7AM. With luck I should be done before that whole "cup of coffee" business starts to seem like too bad of an idea.

Sad and painfully ironic to have Obama's Grandmother pass today. What a complex mixture of feelings must be going through his mind.

I am glad that some of the more noxious comments are being delighted from the political blogs. Shame on those who allow them.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 3, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

bc, you getting your game face on? LiT? Scotty? Who else is out there watching the game?

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 3, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

"delighted from the political blogs"? Ah, the value of trained proof-readers. Looks like RD needs a Personal Blogging Assistant.

I have already warned the ScienceKids that they shall be attending the civic ritual with me tomorrow morning. Heck, they may even help to awaken me in a timely manner.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 3, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

SoC/e-mann:
Welcome back. It's good to have more of the old gang back.

I had to sit next to a Giants/Steelers fans at happy hour. Fortunately there were too fans of the DC franchise to counter the evil.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

polls toll true this time
all for one is one for all
ergo dicks are out

Posted by: Achaiku | November 3, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

SCC: two or to or something.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

SCC deleted, clearly. Stupid autocomplete does more harm than good.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 3, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Just saw this ad for the first time. Even more powerful that it might have been as it came about 5 minutes after one of those horrible Rev. Wright ads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbuLchsauKs

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

SCC-more powerful THAN it might have been.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Hi All, just got in from a meeting with my new boss, on the drive to me him I heard the news about Obama's grandmother, So very sad for him, I am sure tomorrow will be a very exciting day for him but so bittersweet.

Jack I HIGHLY recommend the area west of Toronto :-), your wife has great taste.

Looking forward to the exhuberance of the boodle tomorrow, Hope everything runs smoothly with the voting and I will enjoy watching history unfold - so much to celebrate.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 3, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I saw Melvin Koznovski crossing the street.

Good night Boodlers, see ya tomorrow.
:o)

Posted by: Braguine | November 3, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Great commercial Frosti, haven't heard that song in a long time, enjoyed listening to it again.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 3, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Engelmann? It sounds so...Teutonic...You'll always be SofC to me. (I guessed that you were one of those Scandihoovian Carlsons or Carlsens - ah well). Nice to see you.

Maggie, that's great! Maybe having that as a tune cootie will get me through the night.

frosti, I was going to find and link that commercial too - very nice.

(the Boodler formerly known as mostlylurking)

Posted by: seasea | November 3, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Engelmann? It sounds so...Teutonic...You'll always be SofC to me. (I guessed that you were one of those Scandihoovian Carlsons or Carlsens - ah well). Nice to see you.

Maggie, that's great! Maybe having that as a tune cootie will get me through the night.

frosti, I was going to find and link that commercial too - very nice.

(the Boodler formerly known as mostlylurking)

Posted by: seasea | November 3, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I am mudge, but the darn guests have been keeping me running around. The french just don't understand this american football and just how important MNF is.I had to snatch the remote from a guest watching CNN.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 3, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I too felt terrible when I heard about Obama’s grandmother. How sad for him to not have her here to see the hopefully, good news tomorrow.

My boss told me I had to come in at 5 am and work until 8 or 9 tomorrow, with of course no lunch break. He was joking as we have had a running good natured argument going for months about the election. Here in MA it doesn’t really matter, we’re very blue. And of course I'll be voting, it might be a long lunch hour!

It will be a nerve wracking day and night. I hope they call it for Obama before midnight as I’d like to get some sleep and doubt I will be able to if it’s undecided. I just want a president I can respect and trust. I want my country to be respected again. I want smart people surrounding him who will give him good advice. I want him to sometimes admit he might be wrong and take the advice of his experts. I want all these neocons and right wing nut cases to crawl back under their rocks and emerge only if handcuffed. I never want to hear the phrases ‘my friends’ or ‘you betcha’ again.

Posted by: badsneakers | November 3, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

gwe is mudge? Wha?

The other thing that has me nervous is the close governor's race here. You know, the one that Gregoire (Dem) won by 137 votes 4 years ago?
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/386084_turnout03.html
I'm afraid the Rossi voters will be motivated and they most likely won't be voting for Obama too...

Yoki, we can only hope it will be over tomorrow...

Posted by: seasea | November 3, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Congressman Bobby Scott is speaking now at the PWC fairgrounds (on CSPAN). Ma Frostbitten knew his father, a doctor who was probably the best known practitioner of "ghost surgery" in Hampton, VA (When his expertise was needed but it couldn't be known a black doctor performed the operation). I am so proud of how the state has changed since I was born.

Looking for TBG in the crowd.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Hi seasea. I know, I was just being my optimistic, light-hearted self (!).

Posted by: Yoki | November 3, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

gwe, you should have tackled that guest and wrestled the remote from his hands. *That* would show him what's important.

Posted by: Yoki | November 3, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Going to bed soon with hope in my heart. Tomorrow will be historic and I predict the country will be celebrating through the evening.

Obama has already done a lot to make this country a better place. I have enjoyed reading stories about how young people and people of color have been motivated to participate in the democratic process. This evening I listened to a story on NPR about a 95 year old African American woman who voted yesterday for the first time in her life. She's excited about the election, after a lifetime of feeling like voting was something other people did. Then there was this story in yesterday's New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/us/politics/02first.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=black%20first%20time%20vote%20obama&st=cse&oref=login

I'm sorry about Obama's grandmother. It is sad timing.

* * * * *

We lost a friend yesterday too: Capt. Tony Tarracino, a Key West character from way back:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflorida/story/753541.html

Posted by: kbertocci | November 3, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey everybody, did a boodle skim and now just checking in to say, woohoo, tomorrow's the day! I'll be so glad when it's all said and done.

Blessings upon all who have done their best, starting with Mrs. Dunham, and ending with all the volunteers.

I'll be giving my ground-breaking presentation, Principles of Fire Station Location, at 9 ayem in the morning. Please send me some of the boodle mojo! I'm gonna need it.

Love to you all, especially to young Miss Achenbach and The Boy and Cassandra.

Posted by: slyness | November 3, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Captain Tony? So sorry to hear that. The guy was a living Carl Hiaasen character.

And of course Barack's grandmother is a terrible loss. I hope she knows she did a great job.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 3, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Kbert, I agree that Obama's candidacy has already brought about much positive change. The Volunteering for Obama experience has showed me people I mistook for racist out working for the campaign and excitement in the community such as I have never seen and never thought I would. A group of us canvassing Saturday (50 y.o. white woman, 60 y.o. black woman, 70 y.o. white woman) were briefly surrounded by a small cloud of young black boys, who peered at us intently. They moved a few feet on, then one shouted loudly up to his house "they've got Obama stickers on!" as he happily went on his way. I'm liking all of this a lot.

I'm not superstitious, I'm going to pack for voting as if I will be surviving in the wilderness - I'm putting a cold case of water bottles in my car, and two or three folding chairs, of course umbrellas. There's supposed to be a comfort station for those in line organized by the Obama campaign, but if it doesn't come through I intend to succor any voter in need.

G'night Boodlers. Happy voting day!

Posted by: Wheezy11 | November 3, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

g'night Wheezy, and thank you.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

In for a few min and watching Boston Legal. Denny Crane's reason for voting McCain: Salmon and women.

"In the end, it's all about spawning."

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 3, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Good evening, all.

Wearing my lifelong Washington NFL Franchise fan hat, I'm hoping that they Burgundy and Gold can win this MNF game even though they're down 16-6 going into the fourth quarter.

Wearing my NFL picks hat, well, I *did* pick the Steelers to win tonight.

slyness, good luck with your presentation tomorrow morning.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 3, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Stupid Question:

What does MNF mean? I get NFL, but beyond that?

I know it's different than NSF.

Posted by: Yoki | November 3, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable how close they are letting the crowd get to Obama. TBG better give us a detailed report.

Off to the Daily Show and then to sleep. Sweet dreams boodle.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Just watched Obama's speech in Manassas - he had me in tears, again. Loved his story at the end, which I have never heard him tell (and I've seen lots of his stump speeches), about the woman in Greenwood, SC who did the "Fired up? Ready to go!" chant at 6 ayem. Great way to end - looked like he didn't want to leave the stage - and I loved that he was marvelling at so many people there on a "school night". Looked for TBG, but...

So there you go, slyness, we got to be fired up and ready to go!

Posted by: seasea | November 3, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Monday Night Football

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 3, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, Monday Night Football

Posted by: dmd2 | November 3, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

duh! Thanks frosti. Knew it was a stupid question when I asked it.

Posted by: Yoki | November 3, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

and dear dmd

Posted by: Yoki | November 3, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Hi again, all! Hi, Yoki! I see I have become Wheezy11. Tomorrow it will probably be Wheezy111. Oh well.

Did anyone see this Christian Science Monitor article "My Wife Made Me Canvass For Obama"

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1103/p09s02-coop.html

A sample:

Let me make it clear: I'm pretty conservative. I grew up in the suburbs. I voted for George H.W. Bush twice, and his son once. I was disappointed when Bill Clinton won, and disappointed he couldn't run again.

I encouraged my son to join the military. I was proud of him in Afghanistan, and happy when he came home, and angry when he was recalled because of the invasion of Iraq. I'm white, 55, I live in the South and I'm definitely going to get a bigger tax bill if Obama wins.

I am the dreaded swing voter.

end quote.

And now I'm really going to bed. G'night again to all.

Posted by: Wheezy11 | November 3, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Hi Wheezy(1)! Miss you, my friend.

You so totally rock, squirt!

Posted by: Yoki | November 3, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

i've been out of town and too busy to keep up with the boodle.

i'm kind of cynical, as i'm sure comes across in my comments. don't like to count my chickens til their hatched, and all of that.

but it just hit me how profound it is that tomorrow we may very well get up, go to the polls, and elect an african american to be the president of the united states.

that. is. totally. awesome.

Posted by: LALurker | November 3, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

FYI: Obama wins big in Dixville Notch and Hart's location, NH.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/03/AR2008110301169.html?hpid=artslot

Posted by: DNA_Girl | November 4, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Ya beat me to that headline! To bed for me.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 4, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Hi Frostbitten. Best wishes to you and everyone on your election day.

People in this country don’t vote so they don’t know the feeling of voting and waiting for the results to see if your guy wins. The Sultan takes fairly good care of his people. There is no personal tax. Medical is socialized. If you need to seek medical attention in a neighbouring country, the gov’t will pay for your air-fare and medical expenses. University students get a monthly allowance. If you study in an overseas university, the gov’t also gives you a monthly allowance. Don’t know how long that will last, but for now, it looks pretty good. People here are in danger of becoming too complacent.

Posted by: rainforest1 | November 4, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Slyness, you’ll do great at the presentation. Sending positive vibes your way.

Posted by: rainforest1 | November 4, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Morning News: Chinese economy going into the tank.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/03/AR2008110303486.html

This could be real interesting.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2008 5:45 AM | Report abuse

Richard Cohen is blathering about how we are seeing the fruits of LBJ's civil rights crusade.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/03/AR2008110302609.html

I'll believe it when Obama carries Alabama in 2012, because he isn't this year. The Solid South still has a Moh number of about 6 but I can see some cracks starting.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2008 5:52 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. I think I have to disagree mildly with yello, since most of my rant from yesterday (the one in which I appear to be a closeted Ku Klux Klansman) appears in mildly altered form in Cohen's column. And a few pieces of it seemed to have slipped into Gene Robinson's piece, too. I'm a bit leary of thinking the same as Cohen, I must admit.

But yes, the big day is here... and we have an even bigger night ahead of us. So let's go, Dawn Patrol, let's get airborne. We've got a lot of ground to cover today: we're flying from the 20th century into the 21st.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 4, 2008 6:16 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. Eh engelmann, welcome back! You are of swedish stock or something? I knew a (late) Wesserman whose father was one of those ethnic/cultural Swedes living in Finland. He had an infinite supply of Finn jokes, they are the (drinking) newfies of Scandinavia.

The US election is over today but we should start a provincial campaign tomorrow. Elections are reported to be scheduled for December 8.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 4, 2008 6:20 AM | Report abuse

'morning, boodle. I tossed and turned last night like I do before the opening day of school. Today is the beginning of the great adventure. With it some food for thought:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/opinion/04herbert.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Posted by: -jack- | November 4, 2008 6:47 AM | Report abuse

Off to vote, I'm taking the dead trees WaPo, my iPod loaded with podcasts, a bag of leftover Halloween candy, a folding camp chair, a -10 degree mummy bag, two changes of clothes and a signal flare. Wish me luck.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2008 6:47 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget your Popiel Pocket Fisherman, yello. You never know when it might come in handy.

Posted by: -jack- | November 4, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Boodle!
Sniffing the air of change and taking off. Will go liveboodling later today.

Posted by: Braguine | November 4, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Mudge wrote: "So let's go, Dawn Patrol, let's get airborne. We've got a lot of ground to cover today: we're flying from the 20th century into the 21st."

So we better vote for the pilot, right? Hahahahaha!!

Or we'll land in 1968 Haight-Ashbury.

Talk about a bad trip, man.

Oh, well, it's going to take a lot of drugs to get through 4 (more) years of inexperience and incompetence.

Posted by: wpfree | November 4, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

poll report:

Went over to my polling place about 6:40 and it was packed. The line snaked at least halfway around the high school and was 2-3 people deep. Since I had the astrokid with me I decided better of standing in line (she's 18mo) so instead I left. I'll go back later, probably between 9 & 10. The luxury of being able to work from home.

Good luck to all those standing in line today.

Posted by: astromom | November 4, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning, friends. I've been up since two o'clock. I'm still working under the old time. Well, today is the big day. And I guess by tonight we will know the real story.

People in line already to vote. I'm happy to see the participation.

And I saw Obama on television this morning with tears in his eyes, and I don't think I've seen that before in a candidate. I am sorry about his grandmother. I was crazy about my grandmother. When she died I went to the cemetary a lot, even after I got off work at eleven and twelve o'clock at night.

Scotty, Martooni, Mudge, Slyness, and everyone, good morning to you.*waving*

It's raining here, and quite chilly. A good day to stay in, and look out the window. Have a great day, folks. Hopefully, we can all get together tonight. I will try to check in after church tonight.

Time to swim.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 4, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/04/AR2008110400967.html

Ah, so nice to see the staff of the Balsams/Wilderness resort hotel/ski area did their civic duty at midnight. Seriously, "Dixville Notch" is just a pseudonym for the Balsams, but at least the media crews have a posh place to stay... *L* And Hart's Location is "nearby" if you happen to have a good helicopter, as you'd have to get over Mt. Washington and the rest of the Presidential Range to avoid at least a 90-minute drive... *L*

Dawn Patrol reports from co-workers indicate voting lines stretching hundreds of people into parking lots. A good sign, I'd say.

*happy-to-see-the-elevators-working-again-and-looking-forward-to-pulling-the-lever-today Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 4, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' everybody...

I've got the skies over NE Ohio covered, eyes peeled for any sneak attacks or polling booth shenanigans.

I wanted to vote early today, but Mrs. M has to work (and will have the car) so I'm going to wait until mid-afternoon to cast my vote. Probably for the better this way anyway -- one less body to delay those who need to vote early before going to work. That, and the lines should be a little shorter. Or maybe not. With the projected turnout they're talking about, we may see long lines all day and evening here.

Now I know how you sports fans feel when your team is playing on Big Game Day. This is my Super Bowl, World Series and Stanley Cup all rolled into one.

Time for another coffee and *try* to get some work done. Gonna be tough, though... I'm as giddy as a little kid on Christmas morning.

Peace out :-)

Posted by: martooni | November 4, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Morning Boodle. I can already feel the tension.

What time should I look for meaningful results to start trickling in?

Posted by: Yoki | November 4, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

I just voted. There were 50 people lined up at 6 a.m. when the voting place opened.

Posted by: davemarks | November 4, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Here is a slight diversion.

Compare Palin's intellectual vacuum to Bachelet's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48aWu8GBKyQ

Posted by: Braguine | November 4, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Yoki- Rules prohibit any official results from being announced until after all polls have closed. So that means after CA & Hawaii close which is 11 eastern if I remember correctly. Exit poll rumors may leak before that. So it'll be a long day waiting.

Posted by: astromom | November 4, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Whose rules prohibit the results from getting announced early? The federal election committee, the FCC? I just realized I don't know the answer to that.

Posted by: astromom | November 4, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

From the early voter article on the home page, it seems somebody's expecting the electorate to skew REALLY young...

"Moveon.org sent granola bars, T-shirts and [[[Hannah Montana dolls]]] to hand out to people standing in line, said Julie Jakopic, deputy chair of the Alexandria Democrats."

*L*

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 4, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Major networks say, they will release results the moment a candidate reaches the 230 electoral votes needed to win. This could mean around 7PM eastern.

Majpr networks and AP have formed a pool in some secret location where they are collecting polling results and are quaranteened to prevent leaks.

Posted by: Braguine | November 4, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Yoki-Virginia polls close at 7:00PM Eastern, Indiana polls close at 6:00PM local (some counties are in the Central time zone, most in Eastern). So those will be the ones that could be called earliest, but I doubt it for VA anyway.

Good morning boodle. Hope I wasn't too complacent about my reelection. Too late to do anything now since everyone votes by mail.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 4, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

frosti, I'll be happy to lend you my fax for the next election to speed things up... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 4, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

You might know that I’m rather conservative. I have never ever voted for a liberal before, but one story has so touched me I had to cross the line. From humble beginnings, this African-American started at the state level before moving onto the national stage. A maverick that has bucked the system and stood firm in the face of controversy. Someone that will truly heal the racial rift that has divided our country for so long:

Cynthia McKinney

Finally, we will get to the bottom the vast conspiracy that gripped our country for years: Who REALLY killed Tupac?

Posted by: PopSocket | November 4, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I gotta apologize for Pop, I have no idea how he got a voter registration card. I confronted him and he just mumbled something about mugging an ACORN worker. Suffice it to say, his increasingly random and arbitrary political positions do not match my own.

I got to my voting place about ten minutes before opening and there were about a hundred people already in line. The guy three spaces ahead of me had brought his camping chair.

The line surged promptly at 7 and I was out of there within 30 minutes. The line length was holding steady. We had happy hour last night with a bunch of teachers and they were all planning to sleep in and roll out to the polling places between ten and noon. Not me. I have to get it done early. Just in case.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning All

Well, I've voted.

The voting in Fairfax went pretty quickly, in part because my last name is in the last half of the alphabet. You see, there were two lines, "A-L" and "M-Z," with the latter much shorter than the former. I'm talking about a 80/20 split which is much greater than expected from name distribution.

Wonderful mix of people in line. And since my polling place is where they sent all of the new voters from GMU, there were a lot of shockingly-young people who ramped up the energy level. It was much more festive than your typical polling place.

I figure nothing really definitive will be known until late tonight. I might actually stay up past my bedtime and, if all goes as expected, have myself a nice celebratory glass of domestically-produced sparking wine.

But I refuse to pop the cork too early. No good can come from that.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 4, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Ritchie Coliseum and Stamp Student Union have very long lines, which suggests that the student vote has been ignited. I have voted in the shadow of the Maryland campus since 1983: huge uptick in youth excitement and voting-duty-privilege understanding. As the teacher to some of these darling and maddening young ones, I am so pleased and indeed teary.

I will bike to Ritchie after 9:45 and cast my vote with CPDot2.

I am remembering discussion of the thrill and disbelieving-joy in my Irish-American family about voting for JFK (me, born in January 1960). But to hear my grandparents and parents say that Catholics were no longer second class citizens after that time, is humbling. I do not claim that this suffering is equal to our shameful heritage of slavery and racism. However, suffering is a common experience, as is exclusion. I believe that we are witness to a similar shift in vision.

I live in a majority black county. My last child is one of 37 white students at a high school that is black and Latino. The trill around me that a new stage is being revealed to us all is palpable. Revealed? Can't find the right word

wrought
wrestled
taking root
evolving

Let the better angels of our energetic, generous, impatient, --- and deeply flawed -- national character take flight; and our hearts with them.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 4, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

I have the luxury of working from home today, will be voting a little later when the vote-before-work crowd thins out.

It should be interesting, and I sincerely hope it will be trouble-free. A friend of mine pointed out that a police officer suffered a gunshot wound at a school in Laurel, MD last night, while investigating a report of suspicious activity. That school is a polling place...

Having said all that, the Washington NFL Franchise's loss last night bodes well for an Obama victory today, as their won-loss record in the game directly preceeding an election has accurately indicated the results of the last 17.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 4, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, some eastern polls close at 7 and some at 8 EST; you won't see anything much before that, although the news will be reporting massive lines and waits--and the bigger the turnout the better for Obama. But even now we already know the turnout is going to be massive. There won't be "official" final counts for quite a while because the turnout is so large--but the unofficial exit polls of people coming out of the polls will start shortly after 8 or so, as various TV netwroks "declare" the winner in such-and-such a state.

New England will come in early, and won't tell us anything usefull--Obama is going to sweep there, and it isn't indicative of anything. The early key states to watch are Pennsylvania, Virginia, Ohio, Florida and North Carolina, and they may take a while to taslly. But I'd expect projections from them around 9 EST.

Obama is expected to win Penna and Florida, and here the clue will be the size of the win. If it's close, it'll be a long night. If he takes Penna by, say, 8 or 9 points, it's all over.

Florida will be closer -- but the earlier it falls in a projected exit poll win, the better for Obama.

It's the next three that are key: Virginia, NC and Ohio. Obama will probably take Virginia, and again the size of the win and the earlier the call, the better.

Obama most likely won't take NC -- but if he does, the race is over, dead, finished, for McC. You can go to bed.

Ditto Ohio. If Obama wins Ohio, once again, it's all over. Doesn't matter what happens elsewhere (because it'll be a massacre).

So: there will be no "official" call until late -- but I'm betting we'll know the winner by 10 or 11 EST.

The "wild card" will be how much voter fraud and machine problems the GOP will throw up, how badly places like Florida will screw up their machinery and counting. And then if the exit polling diverges wildly from the "official" counts, we'll know there's some serious skulduggery going on, and there will be riots in the streets tomorrow.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 4, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Keep those polling place reports coming boodle! I miss the ritual, but the expense of an in-person election would crush our fair city.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 4, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon, thank you for that. It should be posted in school rooms and cafeterias everywhere. Very helpful, and beautifully written.

Posted by: Yoki | November 4, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

And, Dixfield Notch up in New Hampshire (always the first to be open and the first to be counted) went with a nine-point spread to Obama.

I have friends who voted in Fairfax and they said it took an hour, but they had friends in line, so the wait was at least enjoyable. I'm gonna wait for about an hour and then venture out.

Yesterday was a horrific day, workwise, and today will be an "off" day, mostly.

Best of luck and good tidings to "us" -- we the boodlers, and we the nation (including our dear international citizens).

Will check in later.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | November 4, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

My support for Cynthia is based on my hope that someday the last oppressed and ignored group in this country will finally obtain the civil rights afforded all other Americans. I speak on behalf of all Pseudonym-Americans when I say that we too will someday have our place in the sun.

Even as we speak, there is a vast movement to drive us underground and off the internet. Is commenter registration any different from the Nuremberg Laws? First they register us, then they ban us from civil scoiety and then they will hunt us down and eliminate us all in the name of a safe and civil society.

We have one hero that speaks for Pseudonym-Americans: Jon Swift.

http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2007/11/pseudonym-americans-fight-back.html

First they will come for the sock puppets, then they will come for the trolls, then they will come for you. Then who will be there to taunt, harrass and ridicule the oppressors?

Think about it the next time you denigrate or dismiss a Pseudonym-American. We are on the front lines thanklessly defending your rights.

Posted by: PopSocket | November 4, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

bc, that school where the policeman was shot was where our oldest daughter went to elem school (35 years ago). The shooting happened about 2:15 in the morning when the cop wrestled with a burglar (cop wasn't badly hurt). It had nothing to do with the election, although yes, it is a polling place.

Two of my officemates came in, after voting in Virginia. One said she got to the polls at 5:15--and was 15th in line. The other said she was there about 5:30--and was about 40th. Wow! (Polls in VA open at 6 a.m.; 7 a.m. in Merlin.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 4, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Moose and I voted by absentee ballot.

I think it's going to be a long, anxious day.

Oh, good morning!

Posted by: Moose13 | November 4, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Like mudge, I am watching Florida, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, and Ohio. By the time Obama wins any two or three of those, it's over for McCain.

I have a standing Tuesday night dinner group from eight to nine and I fully expect it to be all over but the cheering/hand-wringing by the time I get back.

Howie Kurtz has the field guide to what to expect when and what code words to listen for.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/03/AR2008110302682.html

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Mt Rainier, MD and Hyattsville, MD reporting largest voting crowds in years.

Mt. Rainier had people camping out overnight -- town has such an espirit de corps so we shall give them that.

Hyattsville election officials bringing frail and elderly, pregnant women, and people with visible disability to the front of the line, pro forma.

About to bike off before the rain. Shall report on Ritchie Coliseum zeitgeist -- U2 played there back in the day. Elvis played Cole Field house, back in a further day....further back in the day....

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 4, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

FY, Ben & Jerry's, Krispy-Kreme, Starbucks, and Chik-fil-a all have promotions giving away free stuff if you voted and have your "I voted" sticker on.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 4, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I've voted in DC since 1992.

In 1992 and 1996 at 7AM there were about a dozen people in line waiting for the opening.

In 2000 there was an uptick to about two dozen.

In 2004 there were about 50-60 people.

This morning, at 7AM, there were already at least 200 (maybe 300) people in line.

In the 5 minutes I stood waiting for my bus I watched another 30 people get in line.

This in DC. Where everyone Votes Democratic, no matter what, our 3 Electoral College Votes go to Obama no matter what.

Posted by: omnigood | November 4, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Report from my husband. It took him 1:45 to get through the voting line. He got in line at 7am. I'm thinking I'll venture out in about 30 min.

Posted by: astromom | November 4, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Minnesota Public Radio reports teams of voter challengers have hit Blaine and Anoka MN. These northern, and outer, Twin Cities suburbs just happen to be in Michelle Bachmann's district. Could it be voter suppression is now an accepted method to deal with foot in mouth disease?

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 4, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I heard you only have to tell Starbucks you voted for a free tall coffee.

A link for -bc-
http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/diecast/images/corgi/corgi-hornet6.JPG

Posted by: omnigood | November 4, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

On a completely different topic -

Did you all see this?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/04/AR2008110401097.html?hpid=topnews

How would you feel if you finished watching the game only to find a smoldering wreck where your car was suppossed to be?

Posted by: astromom | November 4, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Oh hai, lookee what I found on the Trail!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/04/in_manassas_obamas_last_hurrah.html

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 4, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Morning all.

I drove up to my polling place, a little Methodist church, at 0700. The line was 60-70 yards long. In the 13 years I've been voting there I have always been able to walk up to the door go in to find at most around 10 folks in line. It was very chilly and damp, but everyone seemed in good spirits. I was done at 0825. A few friends have called saying that their wait was going to be about 3 hours. Amazing!

Our water heater has sprung a leak, grrr, so I'm waiting for the plumber. If he comes in a reasonable time frame (I'm skeptical...) I am going to pick up material and place Remember to Vote door hangers in a few neighborhoods this afternoon. I feel like I need to take a Valium or something. The only time I ever take anything like that is before I fly. As I've gotten older, I have become very nervous about flying. Silly, but there you have it. So, I pop a Valium 5 mg the night before I fly and in the a.m. and I'm good to go. I have the same kind of edgy nervousness right now. I've got too much to do to be popping Valium, but I sure feel like it.

CP, your 8:36 was very touching!

Have a great day everyone! YES WE CAN!

Posted by: Kim1 | November 4, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

off to vote,I will report back when done.

CP,i did see U2 at richie and about a week or so before that was BOC.The place I am voting ,I am sure no one of fame has played there,except for the kids in the school playground.......

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 4, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I am so very impressed by the signs of heavy voter turnout, deeply impressed. Democracy in action means each of us have to care, and have to show up when it is time to do our job.

It sure doesn't happen here in Canada federally, and in Alberta, not even a hint of showing up for provincial elections. Which is why I am stunned we didn't think of it before.

We need stickers, and promotional Tim Hortons coffee after we vote. Sort of like the cookie after you give blood.

Posted by: --dr-- | November 4, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Was it good for U2?

Just askin'.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 4, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

s'nuke-thanks for the link to JA's piece. The Potomac News/Manassas Journal Messenger reports 85,000 for the crowd size last night.

Based on usual turnout Ma Frostbitten was not expecting a long wait to vote today. From Kim's experience this is clearly not a usual turnout day in VA.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 4, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

dr-one of my favorite bits from Rick Mercer is his rant about one party rule in Alberta. "Ruled by one party longer than Angola!" The Tim Horton's coffee couldn't hurt.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 4, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

dr, I think we need to go back to the good old days when driving the vote ment piling people in the back of a pickup and handing them a bottle :-)

Posted by: dmd2 | November 4, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I *so* want to see that Bachmann woman's McCarthyist butt handed to her.

She doesn't have foot in mouth disease -- she meant what she said and was proud of it. What she has is malignant bigotosis.

Posted by: martooni | November 4, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Good morning all. Voting went pretty smoothly at my local elementary school.

I enjoyed Wuerker's cartoon in today's Politico:

http://www.politico.com/wuerker/

Posted by: bobsewell | November 4, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Frosti, tonight on Rick Mercer he chats with the US Ambassador to Canada.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 4, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I didn't make it into the 7 AM line, but will swing by around noon, then 2 if noon is long.

Last night I was called by the Obama campaign to check that I knew where my polling place was, its hours, and if I or any friends or family members needed a ride. Nice, very nice, especially since they'd promised no more calls after 5 after the last time they called, and woke me, at 8 PM. Last night? 4:45. :-)

Do you think they meant imaginary friends too?

Posted by: -dbG- | November 4, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Yes, yello, our gal Cynthia needs all the help & support she can get. And then some.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 4, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Joel, in the name of all that's holy, can we please change the name of this *&^%$#@*^%$# kit? Please? Pretty please? Pretty pretty pretty please with a free Starbucks coffee and a Krispy-Kreme diabetic shock-inducing frosted donut on top?

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 4, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Omni, thanks for that link (resisting the urge to buy that toy...)

gwe, CP, hey, I saw U2 at Richie, too. And BOC, and Adam Ant, and Pat Travers (remember him?), and ... certainly more than I can remember.

Going to get myself cleaned up, put my "Error in '08" t-shirt on, then walk over to the school to vote. Whee!

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 4, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all! Thanks and congratulations to all who have already delighted in their civic duty. I myself will wait until this afternoon, when I'll pick up the Boy and head to the polls. We've never had to wait (very very tiny precinct, nobody lives out here), but I have a book and he'll have homework just in case. If he gets bored he can read the WSJ.

The Boy wore red white and blue today, with an Obama button. He's also wearing a large sticker made from pieces of white duct tape with black magic marker, something along the lines of: "I want to vote but they won't let me because I'm not globally prepared. I'm a citizen. I want to vote!"

RD, I went out on a limb and bought celebratory domestic sparkling wine as well. I also will wait to open it - it was hard enough to buy it without feeling like I was jinxing the whole thing.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 4, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

You're up early, Bob... Or is it late? ;-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 4, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Momentarily moving onto the next question, how will I live without constant updates to Huffpo, 538, politico, daily beast, pollster?

I might actually have to do some work.

Posted by: -dbG- | November 4, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Ivansmom... I had to laugh... that Boy of yours and his duct tape. Someday he's gonna fix the world.

;-)

Posted by: martooni | November 4, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

dmd, I think they are doing that now in Oz. Sort of. Oz was really smart, making election day a Saturday by law.

I'm sure the pickup thing would work here in Alberta. Fort McMurray for sure. Not so sure about Saskatchewan though. You'd have to drive around too long to find enough people to fill the truck. Barely a million people and 652,000 sq km of space.

Posted by: --dr-- | November 4, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

New kit!! My prayer (see 10:11) was answered!!

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 4, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Nate Silver's #10 reason to ignore exit polling-
"10. You'll know the actual results soon enough anyway. Have patience, my friends, and consider yourselves lucky: in France, it is illegal to conduct a poll of any kind within 48 hours of the election. But exit polls are really more trouble than they're worth, at least as a predictive tool. An independent panel created by CNN in the wake of the Florida disaster in 2000 recommended that the network completely ignore exit polls when calling particular states. I suggest that you do the same."

Although I think he should have done these in reverse order, like Letterman. This would then be #1. (And what was he thinking to say we'd have the results "soon enough?" Yesterday wouldn't have been soon enough.

Must go get some work done, must tear myself away from the computer.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 4, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

:-D Early, for once. I called it quits at the (for me) obscenely early hour of 12:30 a.m. last night.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 4, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Everybody go to vote or something??? :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 4, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

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