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Obama Among the Radicals

Maybe the Republicans would have had more luck against Obama if their central strategy hadn't been based on nonsense. The GOP tried hard to prove that Obama is a radical, dangerous, risky. But Americans saw otherwise -- that the guy has an aversion to radicalism. It's obvious. Sure, he's known radicals via the university system, but those aren't his people.

For a much better glimpse of some of his people, please read this fine piece by Peter Slevin that ran in the Princeton Alumni Weekly about a year ago. (Peter and I are both Princeton alums, just like our future First Lady. And I love the way that, in the Princeton code, President-elect Obama also has a year after his name: He's "Obama s'85.")

And here's something else to read, if you haven't already: Obama's memoir "Dreams from My Father." Written long before he had any thought of running for president, he describes his disillusionment after attending a lecture full of Marxist nonsense. He was just out of college at the time he describes, dreaming of becoming a community organizer, but going nowhere fast:

In six months I was broke, unemployed, eating soup from a can. In search of some inspiration, I went to hear Kwame Toure, formerly Stokely Carmichael of SNCC and Black Power fame, speak at Columbia. At the entrance to the auditorium, two women, one black, one Asian, were selling Marxist literature and arguing with each other about Trotsky's place in history. Inside, Toure was proposing a program to establish economic ties between Africa and Harlem that would circumvent white capitalist imperalism. At the end of his remarks, a thin young woman with glasses asked if such a program was practical given the state of African economies and the immediate needs facing black Americans. Toure cut her off in midsentence. "It's only the brainwashing that you've received that makes it impractical, sister," he said. His eyes glowed inward as he spoke, the eyes of a madman or a saint. The woman remained standing for several minutes while she was upbraided for her bourgeois attitudes. People began to file out. Outside the auditorium, the two Marxists were now shouting at the top of their lungs.

"Stalinist pig!"

"Reformist bitch!"

It was like a bad dream.


Here's a smart column by David Corn. Rahm Emanuel is smart, charismatic and effective, but also highly partisan (and, unlike Obama, temperamental), so he's not exactly cut from the Obama cloth. But maybe Obama needs a bad cop in house.


The latest on Sarah Palin:

"She didn't understand, McCain aides told me today, that Africa was a continent and not a country."

Here's the Newsweek report:

NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family--clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.

By Joel Achenbach  |  November 6, 2008; 11:56 AM ET
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Oh great. Princeton has secret codes? Well, that explains a lot.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Again, the failure of the Republicans is that they were trying to force Obama into an obsolete dichotomy. Obama really is a third way.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

But were you and Michelle in the same eating club?

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Honest, I didn't steal the phrase "the third way" from Fareed.

But I doubt very much he stole it from me either.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

>>Maybe the Republicans would have had more luck against Obama if their central strategy hadn't been based on nonsense.<<

This is great. About time somebody said it. Thank you, Joel.

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I agree, RD. I think Obama transcended the culture wars (which are alive & well here in Oklahoma, by the way) by explicitly concentrating on peoples' similarities rather than their differences. Most Obama voters shared a dislike of the Bush administration, distrust of its policies, and disrepect for its competence. Many voters were finally able to admit that, questions of culture preference aside, those folks they felt comfortable with were hurting them.

During the campaign Obama encouraged people to look at these issues, rather than fight the old '60s battles (Vietnam, civil rights, sex, race, drugs, women's lib, etc.). I think the Boomer connection here is that, whether or not you took part in them, (like RD, I'm a later Boomer) the nation's political conversation since the '60s has been shaped by these old battles. To me, Obama didn't offer a resolution or further argument on these issues so much as he sidestepped them. He just didn't care about these issues as they've been formulated for so long. My son's generation doesn't either.

I absolutely respect and am grateful to the folks who, as Mudge says, paved the way for so much progess. I just think that it is okay now to encourage everyone to begin moving on, looking at all those issues in a different light and deciding whether they're all equally important now. It will be a long time coming in places like Oklahoma, but even here it is beginning.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 6, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

A third way or a new way? I'll have to think about that. Sometimes, the best solution is just to put former divisions/ideas aside and start over again. Example: Cuban Missle Crisis

Posted by: slyness | November 6, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

As Yoki says, "based on nonsense" is great. One of the pithiest characterizations I've read.

The quote in the Kit just shows, once again, that Obama's a pretty smart guy.

And I don't think anyone properly thanked Mudge for his earlier notice regarding the untimely demise of the Pillsbury Doughboy. I admit I laughed heartily, though that reaction is most inappropriate for an obituary.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 6, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

It was a subliminal campaign based on subconscious word associations that just never gained traction.


Swing voters just couldn't hear dog whistles that high-pitched.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The other smears they attempted just didn't make sense either. There was an "Obama the babykiller" meme that failed to take because abortion/choice was not a real wedge issue.

"Socialist wealth spreader" failed because unlike Mondale's vow to raise taxes, Barack's was couched as a tax cut to 95% of the people.

The one they didn't trot out was Obama's confessions of youthful drug use as some sort of evidence that he was soft on crime. You can thank Cindy McCain for inoculating him against it.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama will be our first president with a last name ending in a vowel that is not "e."

Posted by: -TBG- | November 6, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I thought Bill Clinton's presidency was supposed to be about governing the third way.

I mean the policy part, not the private peccadilloes.

Really, didn't they call it the third way or something like that?

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 6, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I think you're thinking about Taco Bell and the "fourth meal," Ivansmom.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 6, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

This is off topic but something I forgot to mention earlier, several days before Obama's election speech I had read an article on the 106 year old woman he referred to - I like it so much I showed to my husband, he is a follow up.

Is she a boomer :-)

Posted by: dmd2 | November 6, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I definitely remember Bill Clinton and Tony Blair (prior to being Bush's poodle) both espousing the "third way." Maybe "the third rail." Later, they were all about the "triangulation." Frankly, I think it's all some kind of secret code to advertise willingness to accept the over-lordship of tri-laterally symmetric alien invaders. Any John Christopher fans out there? (Not Dennis Christopher -- he's breaking away from all that).

Ah, weak pop culture humor. It's the sorriest kind of humor.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 6, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I laughed at the Doughboy obituary too, Ivansmom. I was surpised taht boys can get yeast infection too.

I don't think the culture war is over. It's too easy to use as an electoral tool and it works just fine with so many people. The NYT had a wonderful map, yesterday or the day before maybe, showing all the places that have voted more Democratic (a lot!) or more Republican (a few). It showed that some of the poorish red south-south central states(Arkansas and Kentucky as I remember, plus a couple of neighbouring states) were actually getting redder, i.e. the MCain campaign worked just fine out there. I'm sure that it didn't go unnoticed by Republican stategists. The culture wars may become regional though, instead of being the national onslought it was this year.

Back in the late swinging seventies I witnessed an argument between members of the Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) and In Struggle! (a Trotskist joint IIRC) partisans turning to an exchange of blows. I knew right there that these guys and gals were not ready for the Enlightened Dictatorship of the People they were proposing.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 6, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

This is really cool, from the Newseum: 719 "Obama wins" newspaper front pages from 65 countries:

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about the third way, but I'm always happy to get to third base.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

That's OK, ScienceTim. My grasp of pop culture is so tenuous, so uncertain, that I thought it was probably funny.

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

As a 1962-vintage Capricorn, I claim allegiance to neither the Boomers nor Generation X. I fit in with neither. I am one of those tragic individuals who was forced by the cruel laws of demographics to learn The Hustle. And The Bump.

While my chronological siblings are free to associate with whichever demographic group they feel comfortable with, I embrace my fate.

I am one of the forgotten. An Interstitial-American.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

JA, the column "Obama's Secret Weapon" is going into my scrapbook.

It is an electronic scrapbook, so it may not last as long as one made of paper, but that is a great summation and worthy of keeping.

Posted by: nellie4 | November 6, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I self-identify as many things that I have only the most tenuous connection to: Irish, red-head, geek, boodler. But baby-boomer is not one of them. Boomers got to do all the cool things like take massive quantities of drugs and have unprotected sex and own actual long-playing records. These are all joys that have been taken from my generation, whatever it is.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Glad Mudge posted the link to the newspaper front pages, I tried it yesterday but could not get it to load.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 6, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Here's the map on differential voting. Should have looked for it in the first place, it was easy to find.

Unfortunately, I got the Tripods reference.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 6, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

So did I, sd. I just wasn't going to admit to it.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

So true yellojkt. So very true. But, you know, honestly, I have managed to overcome my resentment over the long-playing records.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Born in 63 I agree with RD and some of yellow (I listened to long play albums and will claim no comment to any of the rest).

I have never thought of myself as a boomer - I think we are the lost children :-)

The Bump LOL

Posted by: dmd2 | November 6, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Born in 1960 in January; never felt like a boomer but never (even more) felt like a Gen Xer.

Apparently, we can be called:
Generation Jones (54-65)

Coined by Jonathan Pontell, we Jonesies are a lost generation between boomers and Xers. We are marked by

"unrequited cravings and unfulfilled expectations"

and came of age politically in the Reagan years. This quote attributed to Sid Viscous

of the Sex Pistols might fit us:

knew about the summer of love but too young to attend.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 6, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Padouk, I'm beginning to think you're in what the DSM-IV manual describes as "Boomer Denial."

"The Hustle" was 1975. I'd say you've got a pretty serious case of acute, chronic BD. If you want, I can recommend a 12-step program that will allow you to get in touch with your Inner Boomer. It's very liberating. (And they don't make you wear Disco bell-bottoms or anything like that. You don't even have to watch "Starsky & Hutch.")

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey! I learned the Hustle! and the Bump! but I still have long-playing records (all now, alas, artifacts). The Boy is the only kid he knows who has always had a turntable and heard "records" along with CDs. This knowledge does not lessen his scorn when I say that the Flaming Lips, for example, has released a new record. Or album. That is so 20th-Century.

I'm so glad, ScienceTim, that you also remember the third way. I thought my seive-like brain was fading into senescence. It may be, of course, but at least that memory isn't an indication. I am confident of this because I know your intellect is still razor-sharp.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 6, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"Boomers got to do all the cool things like take massive quantities of drugs and have unprotected sex and own actual long-playing records."

*sigh* One out of three.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Also, I don't think the "unprotected" part of that stereotype is right.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

1975? Hmm you are right. When I was in Junior High.

I fear the only thing I am denying is that I ever danced to Donna Summers. And I can only do that because I have tracked down and destroyed all the pictures.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I too remember the third way, Ivansmom, I just don't remember that it was particularly successful over the long haul.

I also remember when a younger friend (still a boomer) overheard her young son explaining how to use a rotary dial telephone to his buddies. Now that made me feel old!

Posted by: slyness | November 6, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Sid Viscous, the syrupy crooner?

The Pill became legal in canada in 1961. 1960, the year of my birth, is the years most Canadians were born in the country thus becoming tha last year of the baby boom. The number of births totally crashed in 1961-62.
However I never felt like a boomer. Boomers were the ones getting the easy summer jobs and having school inside the brick building, not in the portables parked in the school yard. They were the ones going to school 9 to 4, not going to school on the morning shift half of the year and the afternoon shift the second half. I was 8 in the summer of love. Got the tail end of the S&D& Rock and Roll though. Not everything was lost. Resentment? YES.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 6, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

1901-1924 * The G.I. Generation
1925-1945 * The Silent Generation
1946-1972 * The Baby Boomers WITH THESE SUB-gen
**1954-1965/69 * Lost or Jones Generation
1964-1979 * Generation X
1981-1982 * Cold Y Generation
1976-1990 * Generation Y or the Millenials or The First Digitals
1991-present * Generation Z

Culled from a number of sources. So, my grandfathers were both in the GI Generation, serving in WWI. My dad and mom are (were) the Silent Generation. I am a Boomer-tail/Generation Jones; CPDOTS1 and 2 are Gen Y/Millenials/First Digitals. CPBoy is barely at Gen Z.

Note: We cannot call the Jonesies the Lost Ones: that is for the really cool people --dillitantish and deconstructed and trust-funded --who hung out in Paris with Ernest and F.Scottie FG, etc.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 6, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse


I was going to add "casual" but I had used up my quota of adjectives today. VH1 has a six-part documentary on the sexual revolution and they have pretty firm audio-visual evidence of a lot of random hooking up. And condoms did come into vogue as the preferred family planning alternative to The Pill until the prevalence of diseases antibiotics didn't treat.

But since I wasn't sexually active in the 70s, I may be talking out of that Connecticut-based orifice. YMMV, professional driver on a closed course.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

CP - this is the first time I ever heard of the "Jones Generation," but the wiki description makes sense.

And is a whole lot cooler than "Interstitial-American."

Wow. So I have a generation after all.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

That makes me a G. Jones too; I feel much younger now than I did 10 minutes ago.

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

We have our own website and everything!

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Yes, RD, I think it does fit. i agree with SC's clarion call of resentment. Acchhhh: but, yes, on our bad days I see this toward the coolness of the boomer sisters/brothers, cousins, neighbors, etc. And, with bemusement toward the more entitled and special and cosseted generations just after us.

But the Jones moniker is not so kind, also. Really means covetous, which is one of the seven cardinal sins. Resentment follows close on the heels of coveting. Jonesing means this (from Urban slang sources):

the act or state of desiring or craving, often for food, ie. I'ma jonesing for some Fritos.

*the act or condition of wanting the material good that are faddish or popular. ie. She is really jonesing for an iPhone ever since Tiffany got one.

*the act or state of needing something badly, usually related to chemical dependency. ie.I've been jonesing for a joint all day.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 6, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, CP: the Losties definitely belong to the 1920s crowd.

I think the Gen Jones thing is statistical crap: the category claims to want 8 years only for "true" Boomers -- and 11 years (or even 15) for them. They want to dominate the entire era; that's nonsense. (And Pontell, who coined the term, is full of crap, too. In the marketplace of ideas, some ideas are crumby, don't forget. Just because some guy coined it doesn't make it right.)

I don't think a lot of you people understand what "The Boom" is and was. It isn't something you can decide whether you identify with or not. It is a statistical bump in a population demographic. You can't "deny" you aren't in a demographic, just because you have some psychic alientation from it. You were born when you were born. Deal with it.


(And I get the last laugh when you guys start getting AARP solicitations. Which will be any moment now. Bwahahahahahaha.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I protest. 1976 is not Gen-Y/Millenials/whatever. I refuse to be associated with those people. I had already come of age before 2000. Hell, 2000 is when life got boring (OK, not completely but I was definitely a grown-up). I remember Reagan and Challenger and the 80s and life before home computers and video games and cellphones. My first computer didn't have a hard drive let alone a modem and it ran on DOS. I'm Gen-X, thank you very much.

Sorry about that. Comes out sometimes.

Posted by: astromom | November 6, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

SD! not SC! SD's definitive shout-out on resentment.

And, look what musical drek we offered to the world:

Hair-glam rock (totally uneven!)
techno house hypnotic stuff
(Sorry to offend, but Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young/Monterey Pop tis NOT).

(Some is quite dance-able but as RD warns, cameras can and do capture such regrettable moments!)

later some cool New Wave and Punkie stuff....

And the clothes and hair styles. My goodness. I shall fax a round of bad-hair or bad-clothing get-out-of-jail cards presently.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 6, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I have one or two rather substantial boxes packed full of LP's. I packed them full in order to avoid warpage, at risk of squishing the engraved ridge-tops. I have an operable turntable, too, but no place that I can conveniently set it up. I am kind of thinking of acquiring a USB turntable. Or, I suppose, I could just go spring for CD copies of all the LP's that I actually like. Somehow, it's just not the same, knowing that I can get a run-of-the-mill, perfectly ordinary, CD with exactly the same (actually, better) tonal quality compared to my expensive audiophile discs of the Brandenburg Concerti, pressed in 1984. I have a couple limited-edition LP's that probably will never be released on CD, but that's because they are basically pretty bad. Anybody ever hear of a guy going by the name Freff? A little googling reveals his current web site( ), but not his current appearance. I bought a really silly self-produced LP from him back in about 1982 or so, at a science fiction con. I presume he has gotten better since then.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 6, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Yes, CP, that is part of the Generation Jones subtext. We are enviously craving the features of generations either older or younger than us. While I appreciate both books, I don't relate to either "The Electric Kook Ade Acid Test" or "Generation X", although I probably would fit better into a Douglas Coupland book than Tom Wolfe.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

True CP. The term onesing isn't that flattering.

But realize, and I am not joking here, I have always felt a sense of alienation with regards to both Boomers and Gen Xers.

I knew I fit in with neither.

Further, I have always felt a distinct connection with those born in or around the Kennedy years. I have commented on this before, as well as noted that many of us here on the Achenblog fall into this category.

Anyway, it's kinda nice to know I'm not the only one who has felt like this.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

yello, "casual" is quite accurate; "unprotected" is not. This was the era when every guy carried a condom in his wallet, and The Pill came into being. "Unprotected" sex wasn't a "fad" or a desireable thing, like it became later in some sub-sets. No, we were pretty much paranoid about pregnancies.

Te absolvo.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

For an expression of unseemly gloating about the election, today's Sinfest is pretty good.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 6, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

SCC: Jonesing of course.

Perhaps what we are jonesing for is the kind of group validation familiar to the more fashionable generations older and younger than us. Instead, because of the cultural shame that many have with the late seventies, we are often ignored.

I guess this is another nice thing about the President-Elect of the United States.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I beg to differ. The Generations framework is both demographic and cultural.

You cannot force RD, YJ, CP, DMD, Yoki, SD, and others to say we see the world through Boomer Lenses (TM and patent pending). We don't. Even the demographers note this distinction of generations. For example, before the horror of what is now our economic system, most analysts knew that the first wave of Boomer retirees would do much better financially than the tail-Boomers. This reflects the spike of productively after the, not growling at you.

Just saying: RD and I are formed by Banana Split viewing....and turning goop in Creepy Crawlers in our Thingmakers, by Mattel.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 6, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Now I'm laughing. I was listening to the Brandenburg Concerti in the car this morning, and this is the first reference in my tenure to the works on the Boodle. Just an all round fine day.

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon, Boodle buds... :-)

I'm still feeling the happy buzz from the election and just hoping it lasts for a while. Please forgive me if I accidentally fart a bouquet of colorful cartoon flowers.

According to CqP's data, I'm either Jones-ing or an X'er. I've always used music as the litmus test for who's what, but I'll admit it's not 100% accurate. For example, if you know who (still) sings "Cheeseburgers in Paradise" (and you don't want to gag when you hear it), you're probably a Boomer. If you know who sang "White Punks on Dope", you're probably an X'er -- and a cool one, at that (bonus points if you can name the German singer who covered it).

Just my unscientific $0.02.

Busy busy here at the fairy door factory. Not as busy as I'd like, but I'll take what I can get. Blew up yet another orbital sander last night. I don't know if they get clogged up with fairy dust or what, but this was the fourth one to die in the past year. Appropriate four-letter words have already been spoken and a replacement will be purchased in the next hour or so.

Ah well... time to get back to it...

Peace out :-)

Posted by: martooni | November 6, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Well, I do in fact see the world through a Boomer lens, darkly. I just never knew there was a Jones subcategory and that I should actually fit into it amazes me, because of that lens.

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Jeezy-peezy! I can't keep up with y'all!
Re-posting from the last kit:

RD, on your 9:02, talk about coincidences! Just last night, bc and I were talking about project management and mastering the PMBOK. (For the uninitiated--lucky souls--it's pronounced "pimbock."

Scotty, this means that there are now three bits of boodle wisdom: 1) Don't start a land war in Asia 2) Don't bump-draft in the corners and 3) Emotional intelligence is more important than the PMBOK.

TBG, do you think they have the PMBOK in Mianus?

Posted by: Raysmom | November 6, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention the entire Sid and Mary Krofft media empire from H.R. Pufnstuff and Sigmund and the Sea Monsters to The Donny and Marie Show. Everything I know about the effects of psychedelic drugs, I learned from Jimmy and his magic flute.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Gotcha, Yoki. We Jonesies can PICK the team we play for. I might have more boomer views because I lived in a backwater, where pop culture was not yet beamed at us, nor available for

Apparently, Jonesies are afraid of these fears:

Toxic Shock Syndrome
Killer Bees
Three Mile Island
Scared Straight Program
The Ocean("Jaws", "Poseiden Adventure")
Rats ("Ben", "Willard")

Office hours done with nary a customer. Boodle with you all later.....

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 6, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy Buffett/The Tubes
Totally useless as a discriminator since I was listening to punk rock long before I became a parrothead.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Yello - At least you didn't mention Lidville.

It haunts me still.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

CP-That list totally nails my cultural touchstones. Tune cootie:

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

CP - Indeed. Although for me, personally, TSS not so much.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

As much as I loved Charles Nelson Reilly (and had no clue he was gay even as I watched Match Game every single day), I could not stand Lidsville.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Yello - you aren't the only one.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Although a tad older than RD, CP, et al, I feel more like a Jones than a Boomer. Boomers got Woodstock, early Beatles, and all the good summer jobs as teens. Jonesers got the Banana Splits and Barry Manilow, and had to fight like wild dogs for scraps to get summer jobs.

Posted by: Raysmom | November 6, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

CP's 3:02 confirms it, I'm a Jonesie born 11/60. But please, no more tune cooties. I cried at the original Poseidon Adventure before the ship capsized.

Found out this morning that a colleague and friend, from the more populous part of our county, is considering a run for state senate in 2010. Yeah!!

Off to work. It has been unseasonably warm here for a week now, but that's going to come to a screeching halt. By the time I get home this evening it will be snowing. Perhaps 2" by morning. Yuck.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 6, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Early Boomer - Elvis
Mid-Boomer - Beatles
Joneser - Shaun Cassidy

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm a jonesie because I was a big Monkees fan (ooo, Davy!) but didn't really get interested in the Beatles until I was in college.

Posted by: kbertocci | November 6, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

CP the list is perfect just add Amityville Horror.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 6, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Some of us serious boomers begin with Bill Halley and "Rock Around the Clock", and when "Your Hit Parade" was a fixture on B&W TV and kids turned to "Kukla, Fran and Ollie" (bonus points if you can name the puppeteer).

Posted by: ebtnut | November 6, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

That takes me out of the Jonesies and puts me in the mid-Boomer group.

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

But where does Punk fall? Spent a lot of my late teens/early twenties seeking small clubs in New York and London where that was brewing.

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget KC and the Sunshine Band!

Posted by: dmd2 | November 6, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

SEVEN GI Generation Presidents in a row, from a young Kennedy (born 1917) to an oldish Bush (born 1924) through an old Reagan (born 1911).
NONE from the silent generation (1925-1945).
Then two boomer Presidents from the early boom (1946).
Then a Jonesie President (1961).
No wonder I feel more in touch with him and similarly aged local politicos.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 6, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Looks like I'm a Gen Jones too. I never felt like a Boomer although I hung with Boomer cousins who taught me all about Elvis, Howdy Doody and the other Happy Days ephemera. I am of the Bay City Rollers, Shawn Cassidy, Donny Osmond (when he was a kid) era. I think that just about sums it up for me.

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 6, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

MotP, I shall get you for the Bay City Rollers tune cootie that is now in my head :-)

Posted by: dmd2 | November 6, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Geez, I'm having an identity crisis. I'm a jonesie and I never knew it. I've always thought I was tail end boomer, but when CP mentioned the Thingmaker, I could literally smell the goop at that moment.

Davey Jones, sigh. Oh, the hours and hours my sister and our two friends played "living in an apt. and dating the Monkees". I was the oldest, so I got to pick my Monkee and of course, it was always Davey.

Posted by: Kim1 | November 6, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

*sigh* All signs indicate that I am a Jonesie.

As a Monkees fan, does it increase or decrease my cool-cred that I am personally familiar with a well-known musician who ghosted some of the songs for the boys, before they started insisting on playing their own instruments? The ScienceSpouse just might be even more familiar. Where does that leave her? I know of no direct connection to the Banana Splits. When I was young, I never could intuit what species of organism(s) the 'Splits belonged to, but I really wanted one of those cool little six-wheel ATV's they drove around in.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 6, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

No true baby boomer is a punk rocker. Punk was a reaction to the self-importance of the boomer ethos. As pretentious as Emerson Lake and Palmer was (and I insist that is the right s/v agreement), punk was that nihilistic.

Boomer Music

Rock and Roll - Elvis, Chuck Berry
British Invasion - Beatles, Stones, Herman's Hermits
Psychedic Rock - Jefferson Airplane, Jimi Hendrix
Hard Rock/Heavy Metal - Zeppelin, The Who, Black Sabath
Art Rock - ELP, Yes, early Genesis

Joneser Music
Disco - Donna Summer, Bee Gees
Corporate Rock - Kansas, Styx, late Genesis
Punk Rock - Clash, Ramones
New Wave - Flock of Seagulls, Human League

Gen X Music
Grunge - Nirvana, Pearl Jam
Rap - Beastie Boys, LL Cool J

And I'm not qualified to discuss music past then because I had kids and went into the Barney era.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Definitely a boomer here, although I wasn't big into popular culture. However, I had all the early Beatles albums; in the 6th grade, we had to write a travelog and in one of my stops I opened a door to see a Beatle on the other side. Hmmm, don't remember which one it was, I'll have to go dig it out. I do recall that I got a good grade on the project. Fiction has always been a speciality for me.

Posted by: slyness | November 6, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y Night! S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y Night! Sorry dmd (heehee).

I loved the Banana Splits. I still sing that song once in a while.

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 6, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Were the Banana Splits an East Coast phenom? Because I cannot conjure up any memory of them from my formative years, but I'm right in the same bracket as RD and Science Tim.

Tim - as a Monkees fan, those links make you way cool in my book.

Posted by: Kim1 | November 6, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

You are just M-E-A-N.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Now that's a tune cootie that will stick in your head all day!

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 6, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

OMG - it's all coming back to me now, MotP!

Posted by: Kim1 | November 6, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I know yello, I know. Heehee.

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 6, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Happy to help Kim.

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 6, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Banana Splits were/was not just East Coast. I grew up in the then-red, now increasingly blue, Hoosier state of Indiana.

I have no memory of Lidsville. Possibly ignorance, possible repressed childhood memory, I cannot say.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 6, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

What do they call when you've completely suppressed memories from your childhood?

Thanks to MotP, they're all crashing down on me right now.

And it's too early for chardonnay.

Posted by: Kim1 | November 6, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I finally have a working chimney liner!!! *Snoopy dances* :-)

And I never heard any BCR until the late 90s. Really and for true.

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 6, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Count your blessings, S'nuke. You missed the plaid-pantsed proto-boy band in their heydey.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Front page has a link to commemorative paper and assorted stuff. Paper available tomorrow?

Posted by: dmd2 | November 6, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Snuke if you need wood,I live in them.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 6, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh, man, this debate again. The Baby Boom was a Gaussian hump, no more, no less, and it had its little Gaussian echo, which is now fading into noise, because people are random beings. And good for us, I say. All generational labels appear as the most suspect sort of anecdotal mass-culture attempts at superficial knowledge as opposed to realer stuff. Labels of x and y, no z because the analogy begins to be obviously comedic and pointless. No aa, either, for the same reason.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 6, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Noted, Jumper.

But we needed a pointless day, after the last several, don't you think?

Posted by: slyness | November 6, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Pointless, inane, superficial, shallow. I'd settle for any of 'em.

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The bright spot is in the hidden motherlode hinted at by "no less" in my above rant. That gaussian hump gave us astounding historical changes, as so well described by Curmudgeon's excellent essay above.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 6, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Excellent essay in the last boodle, i.e.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 6, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow -- unframed commemorative WaPo prints are just a nickle shy of 60 bucks! Having bought an entire set of new tires for my buggy yesterday, I think that now's not the right time to bite on that. I'll just save my "original" front page and do something with that before it disintegrates.

I'm a certified boomer with a lot of vinyl -- both stereo and mono. The turntable is somewhere nearby (but not hooked up) -- I wonder if there are any places which sell replacement needles.

Pitch dark at 5:30. Better than 2:30, folks.

Cya tomorrow probably.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | November 6, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Gaussian Hump would be a cool name for a punk band.


Posted by: martooni | November 6, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Generational identities can be starkly discontinuous because they are often linked to discrete historical events.

For example, I was 6 in 1968. This means I have no memories of the murders of RFK and MLK, the Democratic convention, the Summer of Love, Apollo 8, or any of the other traumatic and salient events of this most remarkable year.

The lack of such memories, I assert, creates in me a significantly different outlook on the world than if I had been 10, or maybe even 5 years older.

So differences in age of just a few years can make a profound difference in the collective memories that make up a generation. It all depends on what happens in those years. Quite a lot happened in the late sixties.

And thereby hangs the tale.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

One of the characteristics of a baby boomer is that they argue over what exactly a baby boomer is.

The rest of us are just nodding bemusedly.

"So my (parents/teachers/rabbi/priests) are/aren't one after all?"

I always thought Baby Boomers were the ones who saw and participated in the civil rights movement, or the summer of love.

But define away.

I know I was born when RD was in HS, and RD was probably born when Mudge was in HS.

I don't really care to know what generation I am, although I think it should have been named Generation J for all the J-names that were in vogue back then.

It was like there were inital shortages along with the oil shortages.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 6, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I do concur with you, RD.

However the Vietnam War lasted from 1965 to 1975.

Anybody who could have been drafted during those years or had reason to fear draft, or had older siblings/boyfriends/relatives who were drafted, was unified in a particular cultural experience and reaction.

Not all 'Nam Vets are Baby Boomers (McCain is 8 years too old to be one, I think), as many career military fought in 'Nam, but I'd say all the ones who were unwillingly drafted as jungle fodder were baby boomers.

And now I'll shut up. I was born after 'Nam ended.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 6, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

And to bring it back to the original point. Because of my age, I did not witness the brutality of the civil rights movement; I did not see the protests against the war; I did not have friends drafted; I did not experience first-hand the betrayals of that era.

Therefore, I lack the visceral anger that it has engendered in some. And although I am grateful to those who fought the hard battles, I am also weary of the polarization and endless confrontations that war invariably causes. I am ready to move beyond this mindset. I can tolerate some forgiveness. I don't feel compelled to wave the bloody club of vengeance.

I don't want to abandon these causes, of course, I just want to shift the terms of conflict to something less emotionally violent. I want an atmosphere with less shouting and vilification and more compromise and seeking of common ground.

And this is what I hope to get from President Obama.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, Wilbrod, you never experienced the Gas Embargo, post-Watergate cynicism, the frustration of the Iranian Hostage Crisis, or even Disco. Therefore, I understand that your outlook on life is profoundly different than mine in many ways.

For which you should be eternally grateful.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting, isn't it, that the two Vietnam vets (heroes, in fact) that ran for president both lost.

At least this time, his opponent didn't trash his service.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 6, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

You can go to and buy all kinds of cool stuff like coffee mugs with Post fotos...Great time-waster (not cheap either)..

FYI, I added some Palin stuff to the kit. She thought Africa was a country and not a continent.

Posted by: JoelAchenbach | November 6, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Duh...clearly Wilbrod you would never have experienced Disco directly. But you've seen the clothing and the decorations. The music wasn't much better.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Yanno, it's amazing how President-Elect Obama stopped the culture warriors cold when they started in on Bristol Palin, by noting that his mother was 18 when he was born. I don't think I heard another word on the subject. Our new president is a person who will not waste time and personal capital on extraneous subjects.

Posted by: slyness | November 6, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Is that "Africa a Country" report really credible? I mean, it sounds good, but she couldn't really have been that ignorant, could she?

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

RD I would say my outlook is similar, although also influenced by Canadian events.

Our first family photo (that I recall), of the six of us has me as a four/five month old baby, the family is sitting on the couch with a coffee table in front. On the table is the cover of Life magazine with the funeral picture of Jackie O, Caroline and John.

Rather than remember how deeply that event affected people (even here the closed the schools when the news came out), I learned the importane of JFK's message and others of that decade.

Probably not that dissimilar from the experiences of the early boomers who did not live through WWII but were greatly influenced by it.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 6, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I saw the reports about Palin and Africa earlier today - really is hard to believe, really hard to believe.

She is roughly the same age as I, did she not watch Live Aid, watch the end of Apartheid etc. Read any one of the ALL those magazines she claims.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 6, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Rd, I was 8 in 68. Just enough older than you to be horrified and quite frightened. I also lived on the smelter side of town, with working class families. Brothers of classmates were going to Vietnam. Despite the proximity of Canada that option did not occur to many of these boys until later in the way. Chris M's funeral, which assembled his 13 younger sibs in the front row still effects me. Also, the funeral for Tommy B. who was so damaged that the rosary was closed casket.

I was also taught by a fraternity of young priests and nuns (sorority? te hee) who were on fire about justice. For my first communion, the organ played Salve Regina. My sister, communed 18 months later, marched down the aisle in a hootenanny Mass. The meditation"hymn" was Bob Dylan's "Blowin' in the Wind." My young mother hung this poster in our semi finished basement rumpus room: War is not healthy for Children and Other Living Things."

I also stumbled upon the stunning paperback _Johnny Got is Gun_ and was forever changed.

But, I learned about the sixties by eavesdropping on Carole L and Carla G. the beautiful teen girls who lived behind me. I remember Carla weeping about whether or not she wanted to be engaged to Butch O'R. while he was in Vietnam. Soundtrack of their records across the alley include:
Yummy Yummy Yummy; I got luv in my tummy
Stop in the name of love
The name song Nanna nanna bo banna

By the end of 1968, MLK and RFK were dead by bullets; my father -- original mountain man -- wept openly at both events; iI was very sobered by that. Thought at night that the Communists would come through Seattle eventually. That, or the missiles from Russian would aim and land at the similar ones ringing GF, MT.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 6, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Turtles(terps) or Turkeys(hokies)?

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 6, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Palin and I were born in the same year but I would venture to guess that my knowledge of world affairs (and geography) is much more extensive than hers. (I've actually been to Africa) Having said that, I'm no where near qualified to be the governor of any state much less the VPOTUS. But, Palin would put me under the table if we had a shopping contest. I don't think I could spend that kind of money even if I had a year to do it. Really.

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 6, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it amazing CP the difference just a relatively few months can make to a kid? I remember lots and lots of things from 1969, but nothing at all from 1968.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I really don't remember much about national or world events until I was in the second grade. I vividly remember watching the POWs from Vietnam descending the plane on our b&w rabbit-eared tv, probably around 1972 or so. My mom was crying and said she thought they were very brave men.

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 6, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

RD, what year did you start school?

My personal lasting memory of the 60's was Expo 67 and our Centennial it seemed at time when anything was possible and the world seeming to be a new modern wonder.

Off topic watching CNN - Barney bit a reporter - even the White House dog is testy :-)

Posted by: dmd2 | November 6, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

This may be a generational touchstone. How many of you look at this image and know immediately what they are?

Posted by: -TBG- | November 6, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Type balls or whatever they were called for the IBM selectric typewriter. Boy, I remember thinking what a great invention that was!

Posted by: badsneakers | November 6, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Selectric Typwriter balls! I remember having to switch them out to change fonts. They came in these cute little cases for storage. Man those Selectrics weighed a ton!

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 6, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

MotP I remember the prisoners coming home as well - I can still see those pictures but wasn't sure I had the event correct.
I also remember the moon landing and watergate, how long watergate went on, and on and on.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 6, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I loved those selectrics no more jammed keys - which I was famous for.

Pong would be another good touchstone - I remember the joy when dad came home with one, right up there with the converter box that plugged into the TV and was just smaller than a laptop - flipping around channels by flipping the switches was I thought so cool. Especially since as the youngest it had been my job to get up and change the channels when needed.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 6, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Well, I started Kindergarten in the fall of 1967. I remember Kindergarten very well, and certainly have many memories of home dating back to when I was four or so. But when it comes to noticing what went on in the outside world, that really didn't begin until I was in second grade. (Although I vaguely recall Nixon winning the 1968 election.) We kids didn't watch the news, and my parents didn't discuss such things.

Also realize that I was doubtless much more isolated than many kids.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Er... those are magic 8-balls for writers and editors, right?

When you get writer's block, you just hurl one at the nearest wall and see what you can make of the letters indented on the wall.

Different styles available for the font-sensitive writer.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 6, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

dmd, I remember Watergate too but was too young to really understand what was happening. It wasn't until my American History class in college that I learned what it was all about. Fascinating stuff.

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 6, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Grade Two makes sense for the memories of the world around us, when children are around 8 they begin to develop the ability to look outside themselves - from my long ago law classes I remember them classifying it as the point determination of the Age of Reason.

I have a seven and 10 month old I am currently counting down until she reaches that milestone - it will get easier then right!

Posted by: dmd2 | November 6, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Apollo 11 was a biggie for me too, dmd.

And I hated that the Watergate hearings took over television. Nothing but green tables. For, like, months.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

My son is 17. I am still waiting for the age of reason to commence.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

While many of you are a good 10-20 years older, I too have memories of back in the good old days. My parents were both ahead of and behind the times. While we had a Betamax, we also had a TV with a knob and no remote. They didn't get a microwave or an answering machine until I went to college. And they didn't pay for touch-tone dialing (remember when you paid extra for the tones, but the dit-dit-dit was free of charge) until my brother convinced them to when he bought his first modem again about the time I went to college. Yet we were one of the first families I knew with a personal computer some years before. Made for an interesting childhood. I was probably the only person I went to college with who didn't know how to use a microwave.

And I had a typewriter growing up. Much easier to fill out forms with that. You know before fillable pdfs. :)

Posted by: astromom | November 6, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Paging DR -- meant to say earlier that I love your vignette of the knitting shop ladies chatting about the election results.

Could we dare hope, that Michelle knits? That knitting could be her signature policy arena? I believe that knitting in elementary school can help with math skills and fidgeting...

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 6, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Not helping RD :-)

MotP - politics and the news were always discussed in my house, so although I was too young to understand watergate I was well aware of it.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 6, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

You do not have to be a radical to have used the tactics of the radical organizer, I think that I'll have Trotsky instead of turkey this year for Thanksgiving...

Posted by: crispusattucks | November 6, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Hi All,
As you know, I'm as old as Mud (oops: I meant Mudge!) so I remember it all, even participated in a lot of it.

TBG, I know that the ball thingie is properly called an "element" because I spent a bizarre 9 months in 1969 in NYC attending The Katharine Gibbs Secretarial School. I had graduated from college with a lot of knowledge but no skills. So, instead of lighting out for the territories, I went to NYC to become famous. I thought that the Warhol factory would embrace me, but I was too shy and self-conscious to even walk through the door!

NYC at that time was deep in the throes of the crazy times, and I was too, but only at night -- after I had spent three or more hours doing HOMEWORK! Talk about a schizo experience. It was really the best of times and the worst of times for me.

Maggie O'D

Posted by: rickoshea0 | November 6, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I forgot to mention that it was my mother who was responsible for the Katie Gibbs part of my education. While I was in NYC becoming famous, she thought that I should learn to type. I thought I was getting into a two-or three-hour per day class; but nooo, it was a 9-4 hour a day with all that homework to boot. Talk about failing to do due diligence!

Posted by: rickoshea0 | November 6, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Maggie O'D - here's an anecdote I think you will appreciate. My mother took typing in high school and was quite good. I remember her typing a letter one day, and then cursing mildly after a few minutes. "Oh cr--", she said. "I have my fingers on wrong."

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Pong! dmd, my Dad came home with Pong one day when I was about 20/21, and everybody still living there insisted I leave my student-hovel and come play. We were entranced! So very very cool.

I should say my Dad was an early-adopter; PhD in Chem, very savvy tech-wise (such as it was, in those days). Knew how computers worked and everything!

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I graduated from high school in 1978. I'm a few months older than Obama, a few months younger than frostbitten. I'm guessing that we know most of the same songs.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 6, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Aloha - I was living in Okinawa when many of the POWs from Vietnam landed there on the first leg of their trips home. Very powerful stuff, that.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 6, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I took typing in 9th grade because we moved to Okinawa after the school year had started and Spanish was full. I am sure my development as a student and citizen of the world has been hindered by not having a facility with any language, including my native tongue. But, typing fast and accurately has helped me keep body and soul together many times. Being able to type without looking, and while talking about a topic totally unrelated to the typing, is also a good way to impress middle schoolers.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 6, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Bob-where did you go to school on Okinawa?

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 6, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

My dad was the afternoon daily's city hall reporter, so politics, especially local politics, were part of my daily bread. 1960 was the first election I remember. Jack Kennedy came to town, and we went to my grandmother's to watch him pass. He was in a convertible waving to supporters by the site of the road. My dad shouted something in support, and Kennedy turned and acknowledged him. Oh, what innocent days.

In my day, if you were a girl and typed, you were a secretary. Those of us who didn't want to be secretaries therefore never learned to type. When I graduated, though, clerical work was about the only work available. My first work typewriter was a Selectric; all my typing was OJT. My favorite font was a sans-serif, was it Letter Gothic? A very plain font. We have come so, so far.

Posted by: slyness | November 6, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse


SCC: Side of the road

Posted by: slyness | November 6, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

gwe, of course, for me it's the Terps (they're about to kick off on ESPN right now).
And I apologize for just jinxing them.
You VA Tech fans can thank me later...

Since I'm late to the Gen Jones party, I'll simply admit that I was born in that era, but was never into disco. Never learned to Hustle or any of that stuff. Was always all over the map musically - I like what I like, you know? I enjoy everything from delta blues to opera and everything in the middle. Sure, I suppose I'm a rocker, but that's not the beginning or end of it.

I'm between yellojkt and RD agewise, but I remember Apollo 8 on Christmas, and I don't know who in/around DC in '68 that does not remember how upset and scared folks were when MLK was assasinated and the riots in the city. And Bobby Kennedy, too...

Hanna Barbera productions, of course. Banana Spilts, sure. Danger Island, anyone? Uh, oh, Chongo!

I don't know what my life would have been like if I didn't have afternoon reruns of Warner Brothers and Looney Toons cartoons for entertainment, and Star Trek and the Three Stooges for unforgettable life lessons.

I read the Washington newspapers religiously as a kid (spread out on the living room floor because my arms weren't long enough to hold the paper the way I liked it), we got both the Star and the Post. I guess that makes me some sort of News Unitarian?

We talked war, politics, sports, elections, history, international relations, space, religion, arts, science, literature, music, food, you name it - because I was interested in *everything*. I was definitely an unusual child, and that seems to have carried over as an adult.

The Jones name makes me snort a bit, because of a wonderful sculpture done by my oldest that's here in my living room. It's based on one of DaVinci's grotesque sketches, and she named him Mr. Jones. Wait until I tell her *I'm* a Jones.

I just happen to have more hair than that guy (and I don't just mean on my back).


Posted by: -bc- | November 6, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

frosti - I was there 1970-1973. I went to the elementary school at the Machinato-Naha Housing Area (located, oddly enough, about halfway between the Machinato Army base and the Naha Navy Base), and the middle school at Naha.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 6, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

frostbitten, one of my first real jobs was in publishing in a lowly capacity, and do I know fonts! We typed a lot (before self-correcting Selectrics were available) and manuscripts needed to be clean. Give me a typescript and a bottle of liquid paper, and I'm a maven.

But I digress.

Meant to say, Letter Gothic was my favourite font back in the day. Now Arial or its variants. Clean, modern, san-serif, clear when large or small. Excellent!

I'm still trying to persuade law firms that new Roman fonts are stuffy and old and no fun.

I just love getting a properly published trade paperback or hardcover that has "A Note on the Font" on the back flyleaf.

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Just finished with Joel's added linkiness and am wondering why in the world any republicans, including Rush, would want to see Palin become the standard bearer for their party. In fact, if I believed in intercessory prayer, and also felt it was ok to pray for ill to befall an entire major political party, I would pray quite fervently for Palin to lead the reps toward 2012. It would certainly delay the long needed reorientation toward the party's core ideals, and would all but insure an Obama second term (I say this without even knowing how deep a mess he could possibly make of the first term).

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 6, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Ah, old typewriters.
I remember having to pose as a writer. To make sure the local security service got the right message, my concierge had to hear my clattering on the writing machine.
A friend offered that I should learn how to touch type while creating the nessessary noise. I did that and wrote a horrible novel.

Posted by: Braguine | November 6, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Bob!! We lived in the same housing area but '74-'75. Naha Middle (for 9th grade, because they closed K-9) and Kubasaki for me. Spent many hours hanging out with friends in your old elementary school playground. After dark of course, because we were teens, and hanging out in groups after dark looking suspicious is always fun for teens. I believe this is pretty much true regardless of generation designation.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 6, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Boy, what a bunch of kids. In grammer school (remember them, K1-K8) we were making crude jokes about Tojo and told not to go near any balloons that came down in the woods. I discovered girls just as Elvis was coming on the scene. Selectronics, I used to hump one of those home from work in the trunk of my car to type my grad school papers. Went to school at 17 with a bunch of 30 year old Korean war vets on the GI bill. Was in the service during the peace time between Korea and Vietnam. Still have a working turntable and lots of vinyl. Worked as an industrial engineer specializing in printed circuit board assembly about ten years before the microprocessor was invented. Remember when no one would admit they voted for Regan for governor of California when I got back from Hawaii working for PACAF as a civilian force planner for squadrons building and operation air fields in Vietnam. Don't know nothing about music.

Posted by: bh71 | November 6, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

One other quick thought:

Hanna Barbera was good, but I liked Irwin Allen and Gerry Anderson productions just as much.


Posted by: -bc- | November 6, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Talk about Memory Lane. I graduated in '78 like Bob, about Yoki's age, a couple of years ahead of RD. That made me just old enough to remember the events of '68. I had relatives old enough to be drafted and one who went to Canada. In fact I remember the announcement of JFK's assassination - it is one of my first memories, mainly because the TV was on and my mom and aunt were so sad. I must say, I have no memory of the Banana Splits. I don't know if I was too old or I've just erased it. Since I had many older cousins I was exposed to the protest music of the '60s as well as the (shudder) popular music of the '70s. Disco and all.

I also remember Pong. We were not a technological family but every now and then my dad liked to bring home something modern. I recognized the Selectric ball too. The only thing my dad ever insisted I take in high school was typing. At the time I assured him it was unnecessary because I wasn't going to be a secretary. It is, of course, the skill I use the most frequently.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 6, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

bc- but comparing HB to Allen and Anderson is like comparing apples to oranges.

Or, more precisely, like comparing apples to underwater sea monsters and winsome moon ladies in violet wigs.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

They never even offered typing in HS. Despite buying a $5 typewriter and using it in HS and having a computer as well...

I only learned to touch-type in college after practicing with a typing game and typing so many papers that my fingers started migrating to the right spots before my eyes did.

Of course, there's NO way I could touch-type on a typewriter without heavy use of white-out. Thank god I don't have to.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 6, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I taught myself to type in sixth grade because nobody, including me, could read my handwriting. We owned an ancient manual Smith Corona. It was so hard to operate that I never learned to use my pinkies. To this day I type with eight fingers.

Perhaps I can blame my numerous typos on that.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 6, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Also, firsttimeblogger, you can find replacement turntable needles. Ivansdad gets them at a local place called Audio Dimension, but if you look on the Internet you'll find something good.

He was born in 1962, by the way. He has always firmly held, based on our respective upbringings and experience, that I am late Baby Boom and he is on the cusp of Gen X. He certainly began with that music early and still knows the contemporary stuff. As he says, although he has a lot of vinyl (including all the old punk etc) he is more digital than I, because he is, as we say in the Ivansclan, hip to the hyper.

I am seldom hip to the hyper. In fact, my participation in the Boodle is perhaps as close as I get to the cutting edge.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 6, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

In keeping with this thread (which is probably boring the young folks!), I note that the advertisement on top of my page is:

The Eagles - World Tour 2008
"Long Road Out of Eden"
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Verizon Center - 11/20/08

Posted by: bobsewell | November 6, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Nowadays, typing is called keyboarding and it's a requirement in middle school. IIRC, it's only one semester, though. I recall the Geekdottir trying to fit it in the schedule when she was in the 8th grade.

Yoki, I rather like Times New Roman, but I've always been a serif kinda girl. Courier and Ariel do nothing for me.

Posted by: slyness | November 6, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Ran out of the office early this afternoon (at the height of the Boomer discussion) for a cardiologist appointment. The good news is I appear to still be alive. EKG was fine, and blood pressure was 118 over 45. Yes, 45: I am barely conscious and pretty much walking comatose with my eyes open. (All credit due to my HBP meds and clean living.) Gotta get an adenosine (chemical) stress test in a week or two, plus some detailed work-ups. Yeah, we're havin' some kinda fun now.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Those are typewriter balls, which are like mouse balls, only bigger and wrinklier.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Palatino, New Century Schoolbook, and Black Chancery.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

So those were your favorite quills, Mudge?

Posted by: slyness | November 6, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

'mudge, somehow your fondness for Black Chancery surprises me not in the least!

Posted by: bobsewell | November 6, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

'Mudge, dude, you so totally rock, squirt!

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't that be cool if Michelle Obama did knit, CP. We can dream. I wish they would teach knitting in school more often. It would go viral with some sets if someone came out with a knitting video game.

I was just old enough to remember JFK's funeral and recall Vietman via Life magasine and Joe Schelsinger on TV. My first crush was Adam Cartwright, but Davy Jones was a close second. My music is smack dab after the Beatles and before the Bay City Rolllers which means, John Denver. Who was my third crush.

So this makes me un-label-able, which is just fine with me.

Posted by: --dr-- | November 6, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

*blushing* (in ITC Avant Garde Gothic Bold, a fully function PostScript Level II font)

slyness, you made me really laugh.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

SCC: PostScript Level III. Somehow poked an I out.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse


Sometimes, on rare occasions, I can keep up with the high level of wit around here.

Now I can go to bed happy.

Posted by: slyness | November 6, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

[boy]idk much about when i was a baby, but i know i was cool/awesome because im cool/awesome 2day. so its cool when i was a baby cause i didnt know english so i just went with the flow y'know? poem:
When i was young
i had a tongue
that didn't know much
but i had a hunch
that i was cool
so cool in fact
that i had a pact
where i would be cool
so cool.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 6, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm partial to helvetica, and the movie is good too

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 6, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

That last was the Boy. I'm so glad he knows English now.

When he was a baby he ate a spider. Cool. Awesome. Huh.

I looked and I don't even have Black Chancery as a font option. It sounds fascinating. I think of alchemy. Witchcraft. Evil lawyers.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 6, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

DR -- in-laws, from up Frosti and Wilbrod climes, all knitted men too, until the Generation Jones/X came along.

Apparently, boys especially knitted mittens in set of threes, with thumb on the edge, not in the palm. So, lose a mit? You have a replacement but must start knitting the next replacement. Knitters in the Norwegian-side from Hamer/Torpe valleys north of Lillihammer; Swedie-Finns from Helsinki who were merchant marines on the Baltic. I saw a crew sweater knit by one of them. The wool was oily and lustrous-firm: could stop a North Sea wind knife, etc. Imagine all those Nordic men, knitting, some on ships and others at a hearth. Such a sight to see. Wonder if the Viknings knitted too.

Go Terps, says the teacher who -- chagrined -- was stuck in traffic this evening. Route One SHUTS DOWN. Perhaps BC is stuck over here too. Town Hall? bc? Franklins? the New but Old Varsity Cafe?

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 6, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bobsewell | November 6, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Cool. Thanks, Bob. That fits in with alchemy, witchcraft and evil lawyers. In a good way. I may try and practice it with my calligraphy pen, which I recently resurrected. My handwriting is no more legible than with a regular pen, but it sure looks good.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 6, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Hanging head in shame: without commas we are lost

knitted men? Such wonders....but DR, you got my drift right? And SeaSea, and we other secret knitters. I bet GWE knits, why yes he does. AND RD hopes that Santa will deliver Elizabeth Zimmermans' classic _Knitting without Tears_ and Mudge is just green-eyed with jealously that we won't let him into the Knitting Guild and String-Fitters Union yet. Mudge, those beautiful hand knotted fishing nets qualify you for the Macrame for Fun and Profit Club.

Tired. Off. God bless.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 6, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Time to give Beatrice the rabbit her tomato snack (not many more fresh tomatoes) and pour Captain Awesome into bed. Buenos gnocchis, vaya con queso and fondue to you all.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 6, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey Joel, I have a suggestion for a new kit. Maybe you can snap a photo of Obama walking on water with Mudge, TBG, jumper, slyness and some more boodlers following close behind. I would be the one slightly right of center sinking waste deep.

Pulitzer material no doubt!

Posted by: ModerateAlien | November 6, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to be in the Chapel Hill/Durham area this weekend and would like some Boodler restaurant recommendations. Nowhere that won't seat me if I'm wearing sneakers, jeans, and a Georgia Tech tee shirt.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 6, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Not in College Park tonight CP (Mr. Dr. B was not feeling well), so I avoided the traffic.

All things considered, I suppose it's fine that the Terps are only down by a TD with 11 minutes left in the game. Sheesh.


Posted by: -bc- | November 6, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I remember seeing Jack Kennedy go by in a black convertible in the 1960 campaign. We lived on the main street in my town, he was coming to make a speech, and I sat on my front steps and watched him go by.

One of my earliest memories is hearing Dick Clark talk about the deaths of Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and the Big Bopper - I was about 5.

We are getting drenched in rain - snow in the mountains.

Most of you all are making me feel ancient.

Not sure that MO is a knitter - but you never know. I think she has great color sense and I still like her red and black dress. Oh, and Sarah Palin's former spokesperson in Alaska vehemently denied the Africa story - on Larry King. I missed the part where they had been ragging on her.

Posted by: seasea | November 6, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Not so sure Curmudgeon is jealous. He's a word welder, after all, and we can't all have everything.

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Mod Al - you don't have to sink. Walk towards the light.

Posted by: Kim1 | November 6, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

ModAl-long time no see. A small quibble. Boodlers don't walk on water, they just don't get wet above the knees.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 6, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Liked the dress, not the cummerband or bow so much, probably because the material was different and it got caught as a different kind of black on camera.

I figured she chose a predominantly black dress because of her grandma-in-law's passing. Also, that she might have put the cummerband on to tone it down (or to give it shape).

I think it's time to knitpick instead, though.

Palin could have remembered that South Africa was a country but forgot the "South" part, she being a northerner and all that.

It's not THAT implausible, you'd be amazed how resigned African students are to saying simply they're from "Africa" no matter what country they're actually from.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 6, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

The Boy is quite remarkable. A person I'd like to know.

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that I believe the "Palin don't know Africa from shinola" story either.

For a (potentially interesting [well, to me]) glimpse into the world of fontmeisters, here's a discussion of "least favorite" fonts:

Posted by: bobsewell | November 6, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm with bob s. I am skeptical about the Palin/Africa story. Now, the not knowing which nation's were part of NAFTA...I'm thinkin' that's plausible.

Posted by: Kim1 | November 6, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

bob, thank you. That is a good site.

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Palin's air-headedness is part of her charm.

Posted by: ModerateAlien | November 6, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Alas, unlike Yoki, I must say I prefer fonts with serif.

Changing from Times New Roman to Arial may be too daring for some.

For those, Cambria, Palatino, Garamond, Book Antiqua, even Bookman Old Style provide nice alternatives without losing the serifed nuances that gives lawyers that gratifying feeling of formality.

(I never see Bookman Old Style without thinking of Mudge.)

Alas, I'm not very adventurous with fonts; too many of them are wider or narrower than I like for the point count.

Too wide and plain, like Courier New, then the text comes across as ascii text, a very plebian computer nerd printout feel.

However, I probably couldn't identify the font we're using right now even if I had 10 guesses. In the comments, it appears to be Time News Roman (or Helvetica) but in the box, I'm not so sure-- something more courier-newish.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 6, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

No votes, no good words for my fav font, Tahoma?

Used to be Garamond, but wanted a change for a project about two years ago, and stayed with Tahoma.

Posted by: nellie4 | November 6, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Hi, Yoki. How was your day?

When I was doing graphics at the school I worked for in 2000-2002, I did a large theatre lobby-sized lobby card for the school play, Peter Pan, and used black chancery as the main font, about 12 inches tall. It was a neat poster.

bc, hate to tell ya, Maryland lost, 23-13. And just now Denver went up 34-30 with like a minute to go. (All three of us --including LiT, who is no mean football prognosticator, lemme tell ya --picked Cleveland.)

The Daily Show did a riff on how dumb is Sarah Palin. Best line: "She's so dumb she thinks the capital of China is Chinatown."

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

One word: Pica.

Another word: Elite.

Posted by: rickoshea0 | November 6, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh Maggie, you are showing your age.

Posted by: nellie4 | November 6, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Hi 'Mudge. I had a wonderful day. I actually finished two projects, instead of starting another three with no hope of finishing anything.

And I'm coming to Washington pretty soon! Likely over the Thanksgiving Weekend which sucks cause nobody will be around, but puts me in a good position for Dec. 1 and 2 meetings.

And life is generally full of possibility and wonder, ya know?

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

If that's the best the Daily Show can come up with, they need some new material.

Posted by: ModerateAlien | November 6, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Boy, those typophiles hate comic sans. I use it a lot when I work with kids because the letters look more like hand printing than any other font. I have a theory that you could boost test scores among third graders living in poverty a good 10 points just by printing the tests in comic sans.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 6, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm truly flattered, Wilbrod -- I *love* Bookman Old Style.The whole Bookman family, but Old Style most of all.

I dislike most "typewriter" fonts: Courier, Arial, Helvetica, etc.; I think of them as "default" fonts. No character, no class, Brand X. And I generally don't much like most sans serif fonts, either.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

You are so right!

Did I ever tell you about the time that one of Jack Kennedy's motorcade cars rode over my left foot?

It's never been the same.

Posted by: rickoshea0 | November 6, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

You're gonna be here for Thanksgiving weekend? Can I call "dibs!!" on you for dinner? You gonna be here on Thanksgiving itself? Dibs!!! Dibs!!! Dibs on ya!!!

I'm dead certain Maggie knows which (of pica and elite) was 10 characters per inch and which was 12 per inch. I always preferred the 12-character one. I guess that makes me an ---------

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Apply for a job in the Obama administration here:

Time to call it a night.

Toodles boodle and sweet dreams.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 6, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I KNOW you're a member of the Eastern Media *Elite*!!

Posted by: rickoshea0 | November 6, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

You are a very good friend, Mr. Curmudgeon.

But, !@#$%*! I think, if I'm lucky, I land late in the day on Thursday when you all should be lying about somnolently like rabbits who've eaten lettuce or cobras who have ingested goats. And I have serious commitments on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. However, if anybody wanted to have an international BPH on Monday evening, I would *so* be there.

EYE know which was 10 and which was 12

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I always used pica typewriters to compose the final draft of my papers. It made them seem longer. Must've been the genjones effect: Copious amounts of recreational chemicals while typing. This image of Chris Miller's short stories in the NatLamp just came rushing out of some long lost file in my head.

Posted by: -jack- | November 6, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Besides, Mudge, you couldn't have been a pica, that was that 6 foot tall rabbit named "Harvey."

Posted by: nellie4 | November 6, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Good story here about a White House butler --

Posted by: nellie4 | November 6, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Pica are also small alpine-dwelling rodents similar to ground squirrils. I was hiking with my brother once when one jumped up on my boot and savaged the leather lace.

We both cracked up and said, as one, "What's he going to do? Nibble on our bums?!"

And then I flicked it off and went on our way.

Posted by: Yoki | November 6, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Very nice, Nelli.

Rachel Maddow, on the Steven Colbert show, just confessed she's half "Newfie." (Newfy?)

OK, Yoki. *sniff* *sulking* I understand. *shaking head "No"*

'Night, Boodle.


Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

I think they're basing their judgment on other factors than legibility.

Comic Sans is quite readable; it's so called because it does look like comic book lettering (or handprinting). But a business report shouldn't look handlettered.

You may want to use sans serif fonts (no "feet" on the letters, no extra flourishes) for kids in general.

Tahoma has good readibility points in its favor.

Tahoma is a fine font. It's very like Arial, but ever so slightly narrower, and the short letters even shorter.

Also, the Is look like I's not lower case L's because they added serifs to the I and only that. (No feet on the T, M, N, S, etc.).

Thus, it probably loses from an purely aesthetic viewpoint, but at least tries to combine the respective reading strengths of sans serif and serif fonts.

Shruti and Arial are nearly identical. I think there is a slight difference in that Shruti seems slightly wider.

I pick only the fonts I CAN read quickly, rather than for elegance. If I can't read the name I skip it.

I was disappointed to see Papyrus bashed. It has very good legibility for such a nonstandard font that mimics handwriting.

Extra-large capital letters (set below baseline) help legibility and overall balance. It just comes off as sharp, not soft, with e's nearly becoming c's.

If it had an option to typeset capital letters in either normal baseline or oversize, it'd be a better font.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 7, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

conspiracies? like the Khalidi tape...

Posted by: goaway41 | November 7, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I’m very happy today. Finally, our courts no longer fear the powers to be. Twenty years ago, our ex-PM, Mahathir, sacked 5 of our Supreme Court judges who won’t listen to him. For 20 years, he intimidated the courts judges. I’m glad that more or less has come to an end.

For a long time, the readers of Raja Petra’s blog have been afraid that he would be arrested under our infamous Internal Security Act which allows the gov’t to detain anyone without charge. Raja Petra, a muslim himself, did not ridicule Islam like he was accused of. He ridiculed the country’s muslims which is a different thing. Most of the ruling party’s men are not very bright, so I’m not sure if they know the difference.

Posted by: rainforest1 | November 7, 2008 3:39 AM | Report abuse

Raja Petra’s website congratulating President-elect Obama.

Posted by: rainforest1 | November 7, 2008 4:10 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. The selections over on the op-ed this morning are enough to scare off Rambo: Krauthammer, Gerson, Parker, and a column by John Boehner on the GOP's "Way Back." I'm not done sending them out, yet, and Boehner wants to figure out a way back. My shadenfreude hasn't had near enough time to express itself.

OK, gotta run. Later, Dudes.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 7, 2008 5:37 AM | Report abuse

Everything I know about fonts I learned at the font conference:

Posted by: yellojkt | November 7, 2008 6:24 AM | Report abuse

Chuckie K laments the "the sideshow psychodrama of feminist rage and elite loathing that had little to do with politics and everything to do with cultural prejudices, resentments and affectations."

So....the problem was our prejudice against a undereducated moose-shooting snowbilly that just happen to be a right wing troglodyte woman? Shame on us for not playing along with the Republican twisted version of affirmative action.

He also calls McCain "the most worthy presidential nominee ever to be denied the prize" thus sweeping Goldwater, Stevenson, and Smith out the door in one brisk swoop.

That would make a good discussion, though. Who was the best failed presidential candidate?

Posted by: yellojkt | November 7, 2008 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Morning, all, and happy Friday.

Yello, you going to a football game in Chapel Hill? Best bet is barbeque on the quad lawn in front of the library before the game. Then it's a quick walk down the hill to the stadium. Guess how I know this.

In downtown Durham there is an old tobacco warehouse that's been converted into a nice mall. We ate in one of the restaurants there (it was excellent), when the Geekdottir was at NCSSM. I don't remember the name but I'm sure you could find it easily.

If you need more info, I'll call the Geekdottir later in the morning. She isn't up now, and won't be for a couple of hours.

Posted by: slyness | November 7, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Just to pick at the baby boomer scab a little more, this is from Gail Collins's excellent column from a few days ago:

///Finally, on behalf of the baby-boom generation, I would like to hear a little round of applause before we cede the stage to the people who were too young to go to Woodstock and would appreciate not having to listen to the stories about it anymore. It looks as though we will be represented in history by only two presidents, one of whom is George W. Bush. Bummer.

The boomers didn’t win any wars and that business about being self-involved was not entirely unfounded. On the other hand, they made the nation get serious about the idea of everybody being created equal. And now American children are going to grow up unaware that there’s anything novel in an African-American president or a woman running for the White House.

We’ll settle for that. ///

The rest of the column including a commutation for Lindsay Graham here:

Posted by: Mo_MoDo | November 7, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. Just time to pop in, heading to the laundry room. I will have to come back and read the comments from this kit, which sound pretty interesting. And what about the Pillsbury dough boy? Did he eat too much? Did all that bread do him in? Answers folks, I need answers!

Scotty, Mudge, Slyness, Martooni, and good morning to all.*waving*

Doctor visit over, and more pills, and really not a lot of answers. I don't think I'm finished with that.

Great kit, JA. I think President Obama sidestepped a lot of those murky issues which was good because it allowed him and us to keep the light on what is important. It's the economy, stupid. Republicans drag out that mantra at every election because it's the flag that is flown with some of that hateful stuff they embrace. It wrapped up in patriotism, supposedly. I sometimes think they do that because they don't have clue on how to fix stuff. And would rather not deal with it.

Beautiful weather here, just really warm and sunshiny. Another day like yesterday, but after that the cold comes back. Have a great day, folks.

Time for my date.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 7, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Boodlers

Interesting stuff happening around the world.

People are no longer afraid of the US or at least the Evil White House.

Stuff is coming out into the open. A good example is NYT article that puts into doubt Georgia's claim it was attacked.

Lots of opportunities opening up for Obama.

Happy Friday, everyone.

Posted by: Braguine | November 7, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Morning Boodle. Looks as though things are looking up!

Let's muster this Dawn Patrol, 'Mudge and yello have been waiting.

Posted by: Yoki | November 7, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

OOoh typefaces. Cool. Where art and functionality meet. And sometimes collide.
I went through a big Garamond period there because I thought it had a sense of sophistication. But then I got tired of all my reports looking like excised portions of the Harry Potter books.

So now I just stick with Times New Roman.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 7, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

First of all... Times New Roman is not a font. It's something made up by Microsoft that slightly altered Times to make it look OK on the screen. Not a font. Nope. Not to be used for anything printed.

OK.. that's out of the way. I have to point out that The Daily Show was not making fun of Sarah Palin, but making fun of the press for knowing stuff about her they didn't tell us until Wednesday.

And another thing... GOOD MORNING! Job interview this morning. Spent a good time on the phone with her yesterday and am making a personal appearance today. Wish me luck. It's been 20 years since I interviewed for a job.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 7, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all.

Although I am very late to the dance, with a happy heart I send congratulations to Slyness, Cassandra, Jumper in NC. To KB & DofC in Fla...the same...and to Frosti!!! But to trooper Kim, may I lovingly say, I told you so? Even tho VB ever so slightly swung for McCain, you have a brand new Democratic US Congressman and a new mayor. Yea for martooni & all the other boodlers who are happy with their state's choices.

For TBG, so glad you were treated in recognition of your outstanding support of Obama here in the great state of NOVA during the BPH. To answer your question of many kits ago, yes, I may be vintagelady, but just call my mother "Mama", she is content with that.

Posted by: VintageLady | November 7, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Are you sure about this TBG? I know Microsoft ships it, but my understanding was that it was much older.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 7, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Good Luck, TBG!! How can they not hire you, if you want the job!!!

Posted by: VintageLady | November 7, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Consider me corrected, RD. I didnt' realize that Times New Roman and Time Roman were the same font, licensed under different names. I had used Times Roman for years and hadn't heard of Times New Roman until it shipped with Windows.

I was under the impression that Microsoft slightly altered the font to appear better on screen.

You learn something new every day. Oh well. I'm glad I knew this so I didn't go on a rant in my job interview today!

Posted by: -TBG- | November 7, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

ModAl, in that photo I'd be the snorkel poking up just behind the crowd...

And of course, my font is Zapf Dingbats, but you knew that.

Go get 'em, TBG!!!

*TGIF-and-various-and-sundry-other-exhortations-of-joy Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 7, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, VintageLady... and welcome back! I hope everything went well with your Mama and that she's happy in her new home.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 7, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Hi ModAl. Glad you are, periscope-like, surfacing here.

Terps lost Hokies won; Hokies may or may not be, er, "clipped" roosters, according to folk lore.

Terps, as you know, are rock 'em sock 'em turtles.

Off to impart wisdom and fix apostrophe abominations and the comma-catastrophe, etc.

TBG = TIGER BE GOOD in that interview. Please do not say "boodle," however hard this is. You can say, however, that you are Terp-prof approved.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 7, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

I knew you'd come through for me. I'd love to have the name of that Durham tobacco factory place. Sounds fun.

Every year the Georgia Tech band picks one away game as the freshman road trip. This year it's at Chapel Hill and since that is roughly half way between here and Atlanta, my wife decided we should go and support our kid. We probably won't even see him, but it's the thought that counts.

We lallygagged on getting tickets and hotel reservations, so we are way in the nosebleed of the visitors section and couldn't get a hotel room in Chapel Hill proper, so we are in Durham (which is fine by me) and have to figure out how to get to the game and back and where to eat.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 7, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

TBG - I am curious about what type of font you like. I'm always interested in making my tech reports stand out a little. For example, I think I might try this "Black Chancery" font I've heard tell of.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 7, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse


Good luck--go get 'em!

Posted by: Braguine | November 7, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra... where are you, friend? Time to get up!

Posted by: -TBG- | November 7, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Brightleaf Square, Yello, that's the name of the place in downtown Durham. I think the restaurant is Fishmonger's. Here you go:

The Geekdottir was fond of the little restaurants on Ninth Street, as they were cute and funky and within a walk of NCSSM.

If you have time, check out The Book Exchange in Durham, one of the best used bookstores I've ever visited. Heaven, but a firetrap if one ever existed...

You'll be fine staying in Durham, it's, what, eight miles between the campus of Duke and the campus of Carolina? Of course 15/501 is an awful road but at least it isn't far. Be warned that parking in Chapel Hill is practically impossible. Mr. T favors the public parking deck on Rosemary Lane, behind the shops on Franklin Street. It's a full mile from there to the stadium, but at least it's across campus and a pleasant walk. Go early, really early.

Posted by: slyness | November 7, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Morning boodle.

Rain has not switched over to snow here yet. It will though, so it's going to be a fine mess by morning. But, tomorrow is firearms deer season opener so there will be jubilation in the land no matter what the weather does. Better to have snow on the ground anyway, makes the deer easier to track.

Boodle pet owner question-does anyone else have a cat who is knocked out for about 24 hours after receiving vaccinations? Frostcat#3 is a big (16 lbs) orange guy and is just miserable this morning after rabies and distemper shots yesterday. #5, who is a third his weight and received the same shots, is a little under the weather but got up for breakfast and is at least chipper enough to play a bit. (To clarify, we don't have 5 cats, #1's number was retired.)

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 7, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Good morning all
A heck of a time for the hokie running back to set a school record, says alot about him and even more so about his offensive line.Some of those holes were so big,I could have driven my truck thru them.

Almost all of my mountain view is back and most of the color here on the mountain is gone from the trees. It all ended up on the ground.Good thing I did leaves on monday,now there is twice as much as there was before.

sorry cp I can't knit,sew or crochet.I keep a bag of things needed to sew for when I visit my mom.I do croquet though and usually have a course set up in my yard amongst the moss and leaves of course.

Good luck with the interview tbg.

off to do the leaves

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 7, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Are you Comic Sans? It surely looks like you!

Posted by: rickoshea0 | November 7, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Morning, boodle. Just a quick check-in before I check out at noon. Have to go check on my dad in Frederick Memorial. They took him in the other day, and it turns out he had a UTI. Doing a minor procedure this a.m. to relieve it along with IV antibiotics. He should be out tomorrow after overnight observation.

The answer to my quiz question on the puppeteer for KF&O--Burr Tilstrom.

Posted by: ebtnut | November 7, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Best wishes for your dad, ebtnut.

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 7, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the tips. We want to avoid driving from Durham to Chapel Hill if possible. I have no idea if it's possible or practical. I will inquire when I get there. I have been to Book Exchange, but it has been many years ago. I think a return trip is in the cards.

Not me, but I'll take it as a compliment.

I'm harassing the Terps around here for not taking care of their end of the bargain. We gave FSU the loss the Terps needed and UMCP was supposed to take care of the Hokies for us. Now we have a tougher row to hoe.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 7, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I don't like to mess with oddball fonts too much, except in illustrations, etc. If I did ad copy I would. Fonts are a science worked out by little-understood perceptual mechanisms; each serif should enhance readability in the fraction of a second the eye, usually in motion, travels across the page. There's my perceptual psychology background talking. Child of the kern, that's me. Sorry for the kerny joke.

Also, I don't walk on water. Air, maybe. Or sunshine. (insert "dean scream" here.)

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 7, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I know yello I know....have fun at your game!!!

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 7, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Boodle mojo on the way for your dad, ebtnut and all other boodlers with ailing relatives. We seem to have a few. Hope they all recover successfully.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 7, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all. It is good to see you, moderate alien. I hope you and all the other Boodlers who were perhaps not so vocally enthusiastic about the recent presidential election will come on back now. I think the rest of us are calming down a little, and ready to move on from a steady diet of politics. Just look, yesterday turned into a discussion of the Baby Boom, and not a particularly intellectual one either. Fun, wasn't it? And of course as always it provided some insights despite itself.

Yoki, the Boy will be honored, and I hope you get to meet one day. It was the spider, wasn't it? You should have seen him, with long spider legs sticking out from his mostly toothless happy grin.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 7, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

No, Padouk, I don't think black chancery is such a good idea for a technical report...unless you're a pirate.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 7, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Just came up in the office elevator. On the news screen there was a caption:

"More than a meter of snow falls on the Black Hills of North Dakota."

Of course, my immediate thought was, "Rocky Racoon won't be able to check into his room!"

Posted by: Yoki | November 7, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Good luck TBG today, I know you'll enjoy your interview and so will your future employer.

Frostbitten, to put our chilly morning in perspective our weather guy here told us how North and South Dakota were having a Blizzard with 50-mile-an-hour winds blowing the snow and drifts "higher than my five foot ten inch stature!!". I hope it isn't coming your way.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 7, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Calling Slyness.. come in please.

Jack & I are planning a mini BPH soon, maybe tomorrow but I dunno... and you're invited to breakfast at Basil's at 9:00 too. Bring the family. And jams and jelly. Or honey. That's what we do. But let me know, so I'll make sure to show.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 7, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

You go in there and take that job, TBG, if you want it! You are amazing and they won't be able to help recognizing it.

Posted by: Yoki | November 7, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, did you get a picture? Oooh, that would be so great for blackmail!

Posted by: slyness | November 7, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Jumper, wouldn't that be (insert Katrina & the Waves here)?


Posted by: Scottynuke | November 7, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Knitted men...hmmmm. But yes CP, I got it. There is a surprising number of men who knit, including one fellow who comes to the shop quite regularly and says, learning to knit is keeping him sane. He is waiting for back surgery and has trouble walking for more than a few minutes. We are going to have him try socks next.

Book Antiqua, my favourite.

Posted by: --dr-- | November 7, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Brightest CO2 sequestration news I've seen in a while:

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 7, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Aye, Mudge. But it would get noticed.

But as for serious fonts, I too really like the "Bookman Old Style." I used to use it back when I was a contractor. But it isn't an option for me on this here gov'ment computer, so I go with Times New Roman as the closest thing available.

Good luck TBG! And best wishes to everyone who has loved ones fairing poorly today.

Much of life is joy but with that joy comes pain.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 7, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

nellie, that story about the White House butler was great - I was beginning to skim a little, almost missed the surprise ending. I literally burst into sobs.

Posted by: Wheezy1 | November 7, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Scotty. The Dean scream was a separate thing. An inarticulate howl of victory.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 7, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I was thinking about Ivansmom this morning.

Started out with some new rock on the CD player in the car, but that didn't suit. So hauled out of the deep archives Kathleen Battle singing Bach arias (with Itzhak Perlman on violin!). Sublime, really.

When #1 was just a tiny child, barely walking and not yet talking fluently, we often played this. It was remarkable to observe her listening to it. She would close her eyes and become totally relaxed, you just see the beta-state overtaking her. Because her response wasn't mediated by a lot of words, or associations, or experiences, it was the most purely musical experience possible. Magic. Happy memories to carry me to work.

Posted by: Yoki | November 7, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse


About that article...



Posted by: Scottynuke | November 7, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I'd love it do breakfast, Jumper, but I'm committed to whatever Mr. T has going on in the morning so I'll have to pass this time. Let me know about a BPH with Jack, I'll do my best. Mr. T thinks I'm crazy, he just doesn't get the fun we all have.

Posted by: slyness | November 7, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Obama's holding a press conference today at 2:30. I think this may be the first one I've heard of: yes? No?

I hope it is broadcast.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 7, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Or even narrowcast, 'Mudge.

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 7, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Wheezy, I just read that piece. My first thought was that Madelyn Dunham and Helene are in orientation together, and someone will see to it that they are told and can celebrate together. Nice little mental picture for me. (I could keep this scenarios going in my head for some time, what with the champagne, or would it be mead? streamers and fireworks, or comets and asteroids? I gotta stop.)

Mudge, bc...if we all took a loss on Game 1, that makes us all tied. Which means everybody wins (can I rationalize with the best of 'em or what?)

Have a happy day all.

Posted by: LostInThought | November 7, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

My only addition to the font discussion:

If you want to make your own font (or just co-opt one someone else has made)

Posted by: astromom | November 7, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Hey LiT!!! *extra Grover waves for DC* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 7, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Good luck on the job interview TBG. I hope that as I type this someone is offering you fabulous amounts of money, weeks upon weeks of vacation time, and other such emoluments as might be appropriate to induce you to come to work for them.

I love that word, "emolument" - it feels like expensive lotion.

'Mudge, re: your question yesterday as to a word Maddow used, it's "Newfie."

As in,

You might think it's goofy/
but the Man In The Moon is a Newfie./
He's sailin' on to Glory/
away in a golden dory.
- Stompin' Tom Connors

Posted by: byoolin1 | November 7, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Continuing the font discussion (jeez, the things we suddenly discover everyone is fascinated by and can talk about forever):

Most of you are PC people (not necessarily willingly). But TBG and I and a few others I'm sure will remember the "good old days" of the early Apple graphics days doing layout and page make-up using QuarkXpress or Pagemaker (boo hiss). In those days font handling was accomplished by a small program called Suitcases (which still exists). Using Suitcases, you "loaded" in your selection of fonts you were likely to use on a daily basis; 40 was the magic number. Then you could have separate side "suitcases" of other font groups that you would open/close (load/unload) from time to time as needed.

The early Suitcases was flukey and buggy as all get-out, and would regularly crash once or twice a day, and you'd have to get the master disc, re-load it, then reload the fonts, etc. Royal pain in the patoot.

(In those days I was production manager of a chain of nine newspapers in Southern Maryland; the chain was later bought by the Post, which owns them today. You never heard such cussing and screaming in your life when one of my typographers' Suitcases crashed say an hour before deadline. I didn't know ladies knew such words.)

As head of the dept. one of my jobs was shopping for new fonts, a task I dearly loved. There were thousands of them out there, and I found some cool ones. The very best one that mimiced a child's handwriting was called "Lemonade." Loved that font. I had three special fonts for Halloween stuff; one was called "Bones," one called "Vampire," and once called Blood something that featured drops of blood dripping off the letters. (These were all for headlines, not body copy.)

And I'm sure TBG will remember this, too: Adobe used to put out a huge wall poster about 5 feet by 5 feet that showed something like all 1,500 of its fonts on it. Oh, that was so cool, but you needed a humongus wall to display it--and there ain't no such thing as that kind of open space in a newspaper composing room. I probably still have that thing tucked away in some carton in the garage.

It was kind of a geek/cool thing among my typesetters and me to recognize fonts in magazines and wherever else they popped up. One of them would be thumbing through a woman's magazine at lunch looking at the ads and saying: "Garamond Bold Condensed. And Nike's using Jansen again. Volkswagen is using Helvetica and their body copy is Gaudy Light. I wonder what Clairol's using this month? Looks like Yorktown."

We had a collection of take-out menus for lunch, including hal;f a dozen Chinese restaurants, and every dang one of them used the same font, called Chopsticks--every one of you would recognize it immediately. My typographers all took it as a point of snobbishness to disdain the Chinese restaurants for all using that same old tired font.

Ah, good times, good times.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 7, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

byoolin, I thought "Newfie" referred to someone from Newfoundland, yes? No?

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 7, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Hey back at ya S'nuke. I'm up in WBG for a few days, getting away from the construction zone (a friend calls my situation 'high class camping'. I point out that I've got a bathroom sink now, so I've moved up a rank or two, more along the lines of a Rip Van Winkle Motel [does every area have one of these?]). I've got some cleaning to do today, but then it'll be nature walks and river rock throwing with DC all weekend. Which totally works for me. The rock throwing sounds particularly therapeutic.

How goes it with you? Got heat? (I do. Had it for a few days now. See? I am moving up!)

Posted by: LostInThought | November 7, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, what a lovely story. Thank you.

I got no picture of the Boy eating a spider. I was too busy hiding my panic, and opening his mouth to see what I could fish out.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 7, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

We all missed you at the BPH. Got any shoe reports for us?

Posted by: yellojkt | November 7, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Yes indeedy, LiT, heat galore now that we need not concern ourselves with leaky chimneys and carbon monoxide and such. Of course, we always have the reliable standby of blankets and cats and space heaters... *L*

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 7, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

'Mudge, yep, a Newfie is someone from Newfoundland (or, as it is know officially known, 'Newfoundland and Labrador).

Apparently Rachel's mother is from there.

(Or, in the local vernacular: "Oh, t'underin' Jayzis, my son, yes, my own sweet mudder's from de Rock. Now, come on, sit, sit, sit, and try this. [Hands you a small glass of screech.]")

Posted by: byoolin1 | November 7, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Frosti -- is the cat who feels rotten after the two shots an older cat? My vet started spacing shots out to one a year, if possible, when my cat turned seven. He said it was easier on the animals.

Posted by: nellie4 | November 7, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Jaysus, is Krauthammer delusional?

Posted by: Yoki | November 7, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

*clapping* for byoolin's Newf-speak!

Posted by: Yoki | November 7, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Yes. Always has been.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 7, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

frosti, belated congratulations and I hope your feline's feelin' better soon.

Cassandra, I hope you're feeling better soon.

I really need to make the time to read the paper today. Dang this work thing.


Posted by: -bc- | November 7, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Howdy all. So, I check up on the Detroit Free Press this morning (to see how Allen Iverson is fitting in with the Pistons (and vice versa)), and I note that the Free Press has celebratory Obama commemorative stuff to sell, too. Breathtakingly, the Free Press has its own front page poster PLUS a t-shirt for (*drum roll*) $29.95! And the WaPo front-page-only (not even framed) is going for 60 bucks! What on earth is up with that? So hard up for money after paying your executives, WaPo???

Gonna make due without, although I am keeping my home delivered front page nevertheless.

Gorgeous day out there. I should really get out of here.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | November 7, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Nellie-#5 is 5 years old, so headed into official senior territory. I'll see if we can start staggering the shots as you suggested.


Oh, and Nellie, next time give a hankie warning for stories like the White House Butler.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 7, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

It's probably the last mild day until next March or April, I should be out there.

Frosti, at one point I had three cats. The three being vaccinated the same day with the same shot would yield three different outcomes. Lightweight hyper female cat would show no difference in behaviour. Huge long-haired orange tabby (up to 20lbs in his prime) would be doozy the same night and OK the next day. Atletic short-haired wellow tabby (say 12lbs) would be down for the count the same night and dopey until maybe 24 haours after the shot. Go figure.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 7, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

SCC *sigh* be vewwy weawwy of the wellow tabby.

Fontwise, the font police at work enforces a Times New Roman only policy. I slipped the occasional Arial document through the defences if it's under my own signature. Useless tidbit: font is "police" in French so we have "la police des polices".

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 7, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of which, is there a link somewhere on the home page about buying one of those commemorative WaPos? Cuz I can't find it. Anybody know a good secret source? We've got every single presidential front page going back to 1960, but this one.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 7, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Now we know what happened to Honda's cute walking robot...

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 7, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse


"Washington Post Election Editions," right-hand column on the home page, directly underneath the button bar.


Posted by: Scottynuke | November 7, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Shwiek... your SCC made me waff wike weallwee hawd. ;-)

Posted by: martooni | November 7, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse


I hope the job interview turns into a real job. You do have so many gifts and special know-hows that make you right for just about any job, especially those at the top of the ladder. I got here about seven this morning.

Well the date at the laundry room wasn't too bad. I got a chance to talk to some folks, had coffee, and enjoyed myself.

As for the doctor's appointment, more pills, and not much else. Legs still hurt, but just moving and trying not to concentrate on the pain.

Mudge, you and the two out of three. I'm not even going to ask which of the two.

You know, Mudge, I got the sense you were disappointed in what you saw after meeting me. I hope that wasn't the case, because you were exactly as I had pictured you, of course, seeing your picture at the other bhp's helped that impression. Perhaps it was the hearing-impairment that threw you off? Or maybe it's just me? I know my hearing-impairment is a problem for many people. I didn't really want to use the tablet and write, but I knew because of the place, and new voices, I wouldn't be able to understand.

And the choice of place(for the bhp)was not a problem for me. I don't drink, but that is not a requirement from me for others. And it's not a problem for me. I don't do drink because I've drunk enough in my lifetime to float a small town, so I've had enough. Don't care for anymore. But don't hold anything against anyone that does. I would not want anyone to go through what I went through because of drink. Balance in all things. Too much of anything isn't good for anyone, and more so for the person indulging.

I had a great time meeting all of you. I really did. I enjoyed the trip because I never go anywhere, and it was great to see a major city for a change. And as always, I thank all of you for thinking of me.

I'm waiting on the news conference with newly elected, President Obama. The unemployment news isn't good this morning, and the those car companies in Detroit are suffering big time. There is much work to be done.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 7, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Excuse the "I don't do drink, it should be "I don't drink.....

Did anyone mention what happen to the Pillsbury dough boy? I should go back and try to find that comment.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 7, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra --
//Found this e-mail from my wife when I got to work a few minutes ago:

Sad News.

Please join me in remembering a great icon of the entertainment community.

The Pillsbury Doughboy died yesterday of a yeast infection and trauma complications from repeated pokes in the belly. He was 71.

Doughboy was buried in a lightly greased coffin. Dozens of celebrities turned out to pay their respects, including Mrs. Butterworth, Hungry Jack, the California Raisins, Betty Crocker, the Hostess Twinkies, and Captain Crunch. The grave site was piled high with flours.

Aunt Jemima delivered the eulogy and lovingly described Doughboy as a man who never knew how much he was kneaded. Doughboy rose quickly in show business, but his later life was filled with turnovers. He was not considered a very smart cookie, wasting much of his dough on half-baked schemes. Despite being a little flaky at times, he still was a crusty old man and was considered a positive roll model for millions.

Doughboy is survived by his wife Play Dough and three children, John Dough, Jane Dough and Dosey Dough, plus they had one in the oven. He is also survived by his elderly father, Pop Tart. The funeral was held at 3:50 for about 20 minutes.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 8:56 AM //

Posted by: nellie4 | November 7, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Bad news: the Dough Boy is toast. Getting poked in the tummy now has become the yeast of his concerns.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 7, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, nellie4. That is so funny.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 7, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Disappointed in you?

Mudge lives by the pen anyway. But it sounded like the MegaBPH was so mega that nobody could spend all night talking to you like they wanted.

I'm thrilled you got to see DC, Cassandra.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 7, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Disappointed, Cassandra? Of course not!!! Don't know what you could be referring to. (I guess I must have looked funny or weird somehow. Although this isn't the first time somebody has said my face doesn't appear to match my mood. Don't know why.)

Anyway, here's the Pillsbury DoughBoy item I posted two kits ago:

Found this e-mail from my wife when I got to work a few minutes ago:

Sad News.

Please join me in remembering a great icon of the entertainment community.

The Pillsbury Doughboy died yesterday of a yeast infection and trauma complications from repeated pokes in the belly. He was 71.

Doughboy was buried in a lightly greased coffin. Dozens of celebrities turned out to pay their respects, including Mrs. Butterworth, Hungry Jack, the California Raisins, Betty Crocker, the Hostess Twinkies, and Captain Crunch. The grave site was piled high with flours.

Aunt Jemima delivered the eulogy and lovingly described Doughboy as a man who never knew how much he was kneaded. Doughboy rose quickly in show business, but his later life was filled with turnovers. He was not considered a very smart cookie, wasting much of his dough on half-baked schemes. Despite being a little flaky at times, he still was a crusty old man and was considered a positive roll model for millions.

Doughboy is survived by his wife Play Dough and three children, John Dough, Jane Dough and Dosey Dough, plus they had one in the oven. He is also survived by his elderly father, Pop Tart. The funeral was held at 3:50 for about 20 minutes.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 6, 2008 8:56 AM

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 7, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Isn't the default expression on editors disappointment?

Posted by: engelmann | November 7, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't feel bad, Mudge. People are always asking me "what's wrong?" and when I say "nothing's wrong, why?", they tell me I look pi$$ed off and ready to bite somebody's head off. I guess my "thinking face" is a mean looking glower.

Posted by: martooni | November 7, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I used the industrial strength leaf blower today and did 2 driveways and 2 yards,my right arm feels like it will fall off any minute...note to self...close car windows when blowing leaves....DOH!!!!

Also raked a big pile for jumping into...such a kid I am..

Off to work....

Have a Great day everyone!!!

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 7, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Fonts I have known and loved (used)

Nothing says 70s better than the serif font
Benguiat. I confess to having had business cards with this font.

A 69-70s san seriff font that I use occasionally, is Eras. However, Eras is crappy to read online. More "interestingness" than Arial, when you need such but not as designed as say, Bauhaus. Arial Narrow, bolded, can work as a read-out head in less designed documents

Verdana was developed with online reading in mine. Works better than Arial or the Hel-fonts. Georgia is a serif font that reads well online at at least 11 pt.

All the books I worked on were in these:

Cheltenham and Cheltenham Light
and the classic, ta da!


And, like Yoki, I adore colophons.

And marbled end papers....gilt edges, ragged signatures, red rubric text....satin strip book marks sewn into the red/white/red stitches....

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 7, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Ordered my commemorative paper, from the link on the front page - they ship to Canada - Yea.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 7, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 7, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Laughing, SofC: that's exactly right. Add a touch of eary resignation and despair.

And martooni, I'm exactly like that, too! My wife or one of the kids sometimes asks, and I wonder, are they crazy? I'm fine. But I suppose it really is me, somehow.

Of course, I live inside my own head so much anyway, that I guess my face is reflecting something a thousand miles away. I'm virtually always "writing" inside my head, so maybe that's it, either writing or "observing."

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 7, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

♔ ♕ ♖ ♗ ♘ ♙ ♚ ♛ ♜ ♝ ♞ ♟

Chess unicode works...

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 7, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

☀ ☁ ☂ ☃ ☄

Weather unicode does too!

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 7, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Love your 1:38 CP. That's either the UN Building in New York, or Arlington Cemetary from the air, right? Or my son anal retentive cooking Tater Tots on a cookie sheet.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 7, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

☣ BIOHAZARD for DNA Gal!!!

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 7, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 7, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Peace symbol ☮
Yin and yang ☯

For Mudge and other troomers ---TROO BOOMERS.

I shall stop now.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 7, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Just caught a sneaky-looking uniformed groundhog drilling at a neighbor's door hinge. Held him at bay until the gnome told me to back off and never mind.

Bah. That still looked suspicious. Who goes around drilling people's doors in the middle of the day?


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 7, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Font fun. It dinna get much more foon that that.

Been practicing the Maine accent around the office (not that the first line, above, is Maine-ish -- more Scottish). Inspired by the discovery that a co-worker from down the hall is from Cutler, Maine. Ayup. Down East. Been working with these newfangled computing machines for damn near 30 years now, man and boy. Ayup.

The really strange thing -- she agrees that I've got the accent pretty well, but she can't do it any more. Totally repressed it. Just like my Hoosier accent.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 7, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The Third Way?

The term itself extends back at least a century, to when Pope Pius XI called for a Third Way between Socialism and Capitalism at the end of the 1800s.

Clinton and Blair are just the most recent prominent examples.

Posted by: omnigood | November 7, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Omni, the Third Way is one aspect of Catholic social teaching about how we organize ourselves economically and politically to ensure that all have a decent minimum. For Catholics who study their history and documents, socialism is not a dirty word. Note. CST does not require socialism but always this as an extension of Jewish moral commentary:

that the weakest would be considered and care for. In other words, "widows and orphans" now to be understood more broadly as the preferential option for the poor.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | November 7, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"Third world" as popularized by Nehru also originally meant a path between the capitalist and socialist worlds. Now it just means poor.

Check out the banner ad on this site that touts an Indian matchmaker site:

"She's Gorgeous, Smart & Homely"

I don't think the word means what they think it means.

Paging DNAGirl: What would cause this mistranslation?

Posted by: yellojkt | November 7, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Has Obama done his press conference yet? Did I miss it or has it not started yet?

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 7, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

It is not a mistranslation at all, yello. In Indian-English it means what it originally meant in English-English, and it's our current use of the word that has evolved into meaning less than well-favoured. And that evolution is very very recent, since 1900.

Homely always did mean "good at homemaking," with all the virtues of warmth and comfort and providing and loving a family and being faithful and kind to everybody at home.

Posted by: Yoki | November 7, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Still waiting for it to start, it looks like, Aloha.

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 7, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

No, MofP, he's running late. I hope he comes out soon.

Posted by: slyness | November 7, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

No fair using all those fancy-schmancy fonts that my poor browser can't translate!!!

*pouting in the corner*

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 7, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Thanks guys. He's starting now!

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 7, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Where can I watch live online?

Posted by: Yoki | November 7, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Just started, live feed here:

Posted by: Curmudgeon- | November 7, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching the feed on the WaPo website,

Posted by: MiddleofthePacific | November 7, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

OMG! He knows who the president of Iran is, and can pronounce his name!

Posted by: slyness | November 7, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I do not have sound at work anyone know if someone is liveblogging the press conference?

Posted by: dmd2 | November 7, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Deliberate haste...boy, rub it on making rational decisions!

I wish they would repeat the questions so we know what they are...

Posted by: slyness | November 7, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

He's a mutt all right!

Love the humor.

Posted by: slyness | November 7, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"mutts like me"... Obama is most definitely *my* President.

Posted by: martooni | November 7, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"We'd like to get a shelter dog, but many shelter dogs are mutts, like me!" said President-elect Obama, speaking of a need for a hypo-allergenic dog because his daughter Malia is allergic to dogs.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 7, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Recap on Y!

In related news, Byrd has stepped down from the Senate Approportions committee, and Reid is trying to oust Leiberman from his position as chair of the Homeland Security Committee, even as Leiberman plays coy to the Republicans.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 7, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Time for some ridiculous humor;

Posted by: Braguine | November 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Excellent press conference -- when he didn't feel the need (or want to) answer a question, he actually came right out and said he wasn't going to answer it. Much different from Bush's weaseling (mainly because Bush doesn't know/understand what he's talking about, generally). It's a difference between "little boy" and "adult." Ah, the next few years are indeed going to be fun.

So glad he won.

Posted by: firsttimeblogger | November 7, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the robot-assist link, Scotty. It's new. Maybe I should get into prosthetics; I've always thought about it since I put on a pair of plasterer's stilts years ago and realized they beat the heck out of what was on the market for artificial legs. (The prosthetics biz has caught up a lot, as noted by the runner recently.)

As for me, I live by the sward and I guess I'll die by the sward.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 7, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

bc, 'Mudge, LiT...

Check this odd news on for size:

*raised eyebrow*

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 7, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I'll try to view that Obama PC later.
Off for a well-deserved 4 day weekend. I'm bridging to Remembrance day next Tuesday. I should get online once in a while to catch up with the sillyness.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 7, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Newfoundland (Is it NEWfunland or NewFOUNDland?), I'm reminded that my father had an imaginary friend too (He was so ahead of his time!).

Whenever we had company after we kiddies were put to bed, we'd ask him who came to visit. His answer always was "Aloysius McGillicuddy from Antigonish.

Then he'd recite

Get the dory;
There's herrin(g) in the bay!

Posted by: rickoshea0 | November 7, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

New kit. Press conference coverage. These old media guys are trying to get a little lighter on their feet.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 7, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Anyone in da Bunker?

Posted by: Braguine | November 7, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Roll call... I see Brag's here. Anyone else?

Posted by: -TBG- | November 7, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Dancing 'twixt & 'tween.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 7, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure that I want to throw this out over THERE, but: I remember there was some interest in getting a copy of Wednesday's Post. While the full edition has quickly become scarce on the ground, I did pick up a few of the "Election Special Commemorative Issue", which I'll pass along to them what's interested. I guess I'll hold on to my copy of the regular paper.

I note that the Post showed good old-fashioned capitalist initiative by pricing the "Election Special" at triple the price of the daily paper, and it doesn't even have the sports, comics, or crossword! On the other hand, it also doesn't have any advertising.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 7, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Hi Bob S. - am definitely interested in one of your spare copies of the Post.


Posted by: loafie1013 | November 7, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

AZBlue - Certainly! Do you already have my email address? (Sorry, my natural befuddlement has mixed with the recent WaPo-enforced name-changes to leave me often confused about who's who!) If not, send me an e-mail at bobsewell at hotmail and I'll get your address. That particular e-mail address isn't the one I mostly use, as it's often a vast wasteland of spam, but I'll find your message (and reply) eventually!

Posted by: bobsewell | November 7, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Hi folks. There's crazy people back there. Uh, up there. In the Boodle after this one. I think you know what I mean...

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 7, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

something ate my beloved boodle, tough going up there.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 7, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm here! Maggie and GentlemanGWE and who else?

Love the code, Mags.

Welcome home.

Posted by: Yoki | November 7, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Wowsers! as my teenage niece would say.

Demoralizing to read all those comments, but still not as demoralizing as The Fix's or The Trail's comments.

Bob S.- if you have any copies left, I would be happy to obtain one. I will e-mail you and send you the appropriate compensation, not to mention that I will buy you a beer at the next BPH I attend.

BTW - I was happy to hear that Don from I-270 showed up at the last BPH, but now I'm wondering, where is Dandylion? It's amazing how attached I get to boodlers. I worry when I don't hear from them!

Put me in the "I can't believe that anyone could think this is a gaffe" category. But then, I've always like Joe Biden and felt that even if he didn't always say his piece in the most politic way, one still, if one wants, can see that he really didn't say anything really ghastly, just didn't say it all that prettily. I am struggling to come up with an instance of me treating a Republican politician with similar forbearance and the only thing I can come up with is the time when GHWB marveled at the technology of a supermarket checkout line. The media roasted him for it. At the time I thought that was just a big bunch of hooey...

I know there are other instances, I just can't think of them. That said, I think it was nice of Obama to call Nancy Reagan. Unfortunately, I am afraid that's like throwing chum into the ocean at a shark sighting. Hopefully I am wrong.

Posted by: Kim1 | November 7, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

*Brag hunkering near the bar.* Sounds like the Saakashvili types are bombarding the Boodle.

Posted by: Braguine | November 7, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

While the going is slow take a look at Balz's latest adventure:

Posted by: Braguine | November 7, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I did think it was a gaffe, and inappropriate under the circumstances. I *understood* the joke, but it still might not have been made.

Posted by: Yoki | November 7, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

It's just crazy up in there. I had to go back to rescue the others.

Why so much hate? Even if disappointed in the election, why not be elated at the promise of the historic nature of this election?

Posted by: rickoshea0 | November 7, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I don't think we need to worry about direct compensation. Trust me, buying me a beer will more than cover my cost.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 7, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Bob S, I'd be interested in one of those papers, and would gladly pay the cost plus shipping - as I don't know when I'd have the chance to buy you a libation. I know some other folks were interested too - maybe Yoki and Aloha? And if there's an overwhelming response, I'd understand if you have to put out names in a hat or something. I do have my P-I tucked away.

I've got to figure out where the latest BPH pics are...

Posted by: seasea | November 7, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

SCC - put our names in a hat

Posted by: seasea | November 7, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Upstairs, everyone is going nutz, including boodlers.
Slurp, it's nice to have a quiet drink in da Bunker

Posted by: Braguine | November 7, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I may have to raid my piggybank, but I'm going to run out and buy a few more before they're all gone. See ya'll in a bit.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 7, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I was glad to hear that Don was at the BPH too, since he hasn't posted in quite awhile.

Posted by: seasea | November 7, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Wowsers I like that and Yoki I aint no gentleman, but would you like me to hold the bunker door open so the rest of the regulars can come in.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 7, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

And there is a place to order the special edition online, from the WaPo home page - $9.95 + $5.00...I hadn't looked into that...

Posted by: seasea | November 7, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Maggie-thanks for the leaving the breadcrumb trail. Need to back boodle a bit here. The snow has started, yuck.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 7, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys see this? Well put.

Posted by: rickoshea0 | November 7, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Good link ricochet. I knew I'd be happy if Obama won, but I was not prepared for just how emotional I'd be, still.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 7, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Not that I would begrudge the Post any money that it can earn in these trying times, but I think we can do better than $9.95 + shipping!

Posted by: bobsewell | November 7, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

In addition to my daily delivery subscription, and the two or three extra copies that I buy from the coin-box each week, I also just spent almost three months worth of subscription fees on the "Election Special". Somebody better want one, darn it!

Posted by: bobsewell | November 7, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Great link, rickoshea. Thanks for posting. Yeah, I got teary-eyed, at McCain's graciousness and when Obama spoke too. A wonderful night.

Glad you folks left the porch light on at the bunker. I hope Joel will have another kit for us tomorrow or Sunday, a silly one, so the strident posters will go away.

Posted by: slyness | November 7, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

By the way, don't be impressed. A home delivery subscription to the Washington Post (as Joel, Gene Weingarten, or any appreciative subscriber would tell you) is an insanely good deal. I have no particular desire for them to double their subscription costs, but if they did, I wouldn't blink an eye at paying it.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 7, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Hi, kids.

It got a little crazy on the front porch there, but I think it's settled down now unless a blogger with an agenda (whatever happened to "Red-Faced America," anyway?)picks it up.

Hope everyone has a nice evening.


Posted by: -bc- | November 7, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Green man, you are a gentlemanly sort, just a little mountain in your ways.

But always, always green.

Posted by: Yoki | November 7, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Yoki - My mind is a coarsely woven net, so lots slips through. Had you expressed some interest in a copy of the election special Post? If so, I can probably smuggle it up to you somehow.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 7, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Great and good bobsewell, I abase myself and grovel. I supplicate and beg your indulgence to grant me a commemorative Washington Post front pages, oh sir!

Defender of print and holder of archives, great and glorious Robert! Sovereign, librarian, king.

Bless me, your humble subject and abject reader.


Posted by: Yoki | November 7, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

rickoshea, thanks for the reminder to come back here, my tolerance for hateful comments is very low right now. I read some comments after the death of Obama's grandmother that will take some time to recover from. So much hate - yuck.

I watch the press conference later and was struck by how tired Obama looked - not surprising he may have mixed up what he wanted to say. So little tolerance around.

I just met up with a friend and we discussed this topic of tolerance and are both baffled as to why so many are intolerant and maybe a few other nasty words we used.

Thanks to this place I get my faith restored in humanity, although it might lead me to falsely believe more people are like the boodlers than in reality there are.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 7, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Aw shucks! OK.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 7, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Deal! High Five-a!

Posted by: Yoki | November 7, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

dmd - You may THINK that you have a low tolerance for hateful comments, but you are far braver than I. I've stayed away from the comment sections of most articles in the past week, because I knew that my spirit wasn't up to it. I'll toss a few rabble rousing (thanks, Kim!) bones to the dogs on the Umbrage-Kit because that's MY yard, and I can do it playfully. But mostly I don't have the stomach for the senseless anger.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 7, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

I was reacting to all that anger as Bob and dmd were, miserable, wanting to not see it and I suddenly realized: *in spite* of it all --- the country elected Obama!

Posted by: nellie4 | November 8, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

bobsewell, you are not being fair to dmd. She means what she says. She is a good, dear, kind and loving friend of mine. She means exactly and only what she says.

Posted by: Yoki | November 8, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for leaving some bread crumbs to the bunker. I'm just dropping in for a nightcap. I've got a big day tomorrow.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 8, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I think (or at least fervently hope) that dmd knows that I was, in fact, commiserating. Gosh, it's been rough out there for months and months now. I guess it's always been like this. I can only dream that someday it'll get better.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 8, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Yoki, but no umbrage at Bob I think I understand what he was saying.

Yoki, lets you and I save our umbrage for the the decision today to nix the portait gallery, which should have been installed in the Old US Embassy - just looking at some of the collection online such an important part of our history - unbelievable.

Posted by: dmd2 | November 8, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

By the way, Yoki, I don't think that the Achenfax device will suffice... You'll have to e-mail me an actual mailing address if you want some actual wood pulp.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 8, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

I just love this Boodle. I take umbrage on behalf of two people who dont! How great is that?

We're *fine.*

Do I have your email, bobsewell? Prolly. Send it to me at and I shall send you a mailing address. And thanks.

Posted by: Yoki | November 8, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

To ever-so-slightly expand on a previous comment - I didn't even look at the comments on several very moving columns by Eugene Robinson, Colby King, others too numerous to mention, because (even though I knew that there would be many gracious comments, and I would probably wish to add my own) I just didn't have the stamina to expose myself to the ugliness that I knew would surface.

I'm not usually that wimpy, but I just decided to give myself a vacation from it for a little while, you know? I'll get out there and fight the good fight soon enough. After all, idiot jerkwads do need to be reminded that they are, in fact, scumsucking a$$hats. It's not a pleasant task, but someone's gotta do it, I reckon.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 8, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

I almost posted a question today, whether anyone had read Robinson's incredibly moving column today, but then the front-page flurry started.

So I thought better of it.

Posted by: Yoki | November 8, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

What I did do was e-mail some of the writers directly to tell them how much I appreciated their work, and they have (without exception) let me know that they appreciated the feedback.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 8, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

lotsa people up late tonight ...Yipeee must be the weekend or somthing....Hey dmd,Yoki and Bob...did I miss anyone?

Pretty ride home tonight moon shimmering in the clouds...and 2 days off....

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 8, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

greenwithenvy, I think seasea was here earlier. Who else? frostbitten was here but I think she must have left.

Posted by: Yoki | November 8, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

I doubt that anyone would buy it if I said that it's past my bedtime, but it actually is later than I realized.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 8, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

How are things up north of da border?

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 8, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Since the new Kit's comments have been dead since my last post over an hour ago, I guess it's probably safe to migrate back there. (Maybe. I hope.)

Posted by: bobsewell | November 8, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I'm here still...the night is young and TGIF! Even though I have to work Sunday - and the worst kind of work for me - supporting an upgrade, so it's mostly waiting and hoping someone else is doing things right. But that's Sunday, far, far away.

I never read the comments on news articles. Even the most innocuous articles get horrible, hate-filled comments. I don't know what's wrong with the people that do that.

Posted by: seasea | November 8, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Hey seasea! That's just how I feel. Price to be paid, but hey, it's Friday night (for another 36 minutes).

green man, it's all good, don't you think?

Posted by: Yoki | November 8, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

howdy sea sea and bob it seems safer here dude.

plus there is a party going on!!!

I guess it's good yoki,probaly a little colder up north...It was almosy Hot here today....

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 8, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

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