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The errant drive of Tiger Woods [Updated]

The supermarket tabs sometimes run a little feature on celebrities doing very ordinary things "just like us." Here is the celebrity schlepping groceries to his car, just like us! Here is the celebrity looking wrung-out and haggard while enduring the wails and squawks of malcontent offspring, just like us! This is what I thought of many times over the weekend as I followed the latest bulletins from Florida about Tiger Woods and his errant drive.

Haven't we all had one of those Thanksgivings where, after gorging ourselves, and sacking out on the couch to watch football, we suddenly realized it was a 2:25 a.m. and we needed to take a road trip? That's as American as pumpkin pie. And who among us can raise his or her hand and honestly declare that he or she has not, at least on one occasion, rammed a fire hydrant outside his or her home and then totalled the car against a tree? Those hydrants are sneaky! They should be more clearly marked on the yardage charts ("water hazard").

I'm sure the Florida Highway Patrol would like to know a couple of tiny details that remain fuzzy at this point, such as, "Why does a guy who has sufficient eye-hand coordination to bounce a golf ball over and over on the end of a club and then hit it out of mid-air as though it had been teed up, and who is famous for always driving his own vehicle because he likes to be in complete control of his personal safety, find it impossible to drive out of his gated community without having a wreck that wakes up the whole neighborhood?"

There has been much irresponsible speculation on this. But the FHP will want to ask a few pointed questions, such as, did Tiger's wife, Elin Nordegren, attempt to extract him from the SUV with the golf club before, or after, he crashed? And what club did she select? The FHP will want to know, for example, if she said to herself, "The pitching wedge ought to work for this," and then changed her mind and said, "No, wait, I'm going with the Big Bertha."

Tiger says he wants privacy, and that he and his family "deserve" it. Excerpts of Tiger's statement:

This situation is my fault, and it's obviously embarrassing to my family and me. I'm human and I'm not perfect. I will certainly make sure this doesn't happen again.

This is a private matter and I want to keep it that way. Although I understand there is curiosity, the many false, unfounded and malicious rumors that are currently circulating about my family and me are irresponsible....

I would also ask for some understanding that my family and I deserve some privacy no matter how intrusive some people can be.

I'm not unsympathetic.

I'm a huge Tiger fan. If it's Tiger vs. Phil, I root for Tiger, unless Phil is looking like he really needs a boost.

But you can't have it both ways in life. You can't be a celebrity who rakes in tens of millions of dollars by endorsing products and popping up on our TV screen every day, and at the same time demand privacy when you wreck a car in a weird and conspicuous manner and then refuse to meet with the authorities who want to question you about an accident.

Purely as a PR strategy this has been disastrous. This is a story that's on the verge of launching its own cable-TV industry. Dude, you gotta staunch the bleeding!
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In the Boodle, there are those who want none of this tawdry stuff. Here's my response:

"Mudge [rant posted below], LostInThought, and bc all abjure the peekaboo culture that is part of our celebrity worship and I think everyone here knows that celebrities come very close to being of zero interest here on the A-blog. Nor do we engage in sheet-sniffing, so far as I recall -- correct me if I'm wrong about that. (Note that the kit does not get into any alleged bimbo eruptions. Not my bidness.) But I think Tiger is a public figure. He's also an A-blog fixture -- we write about him when he does something great. And here's the key point that abqcleve [in the Boodle] has brought up: The FHP wants to know why Tiger crashed and he won't talk to them. There's obviously a legal issue in the wind here: If this crash was the result of domestic violence then it is NOT the privilege of the man and woman in question to say go away, we don't want to talk to you -- at least that's my understanding of domestic violence law (which I assume is primarily geared to protecting women who might be afraid of pressing charges and/or who might change their mind and stay in a situation that could prove dangerous or even fatal). Any lawyers out there who can help me on this?

[From the Boodle, here's an excerpt of the Mudge rant, which I'm assuming may go on all day, like the rain from a coastal low:

I simply don't want to participate any more. I just don't give a damn who is in rehab, who is out, who is having marital or sig other troubles, straight, gay, bi, trans, hetero, metro, or wacko. I don't care who [naughty verb] who and in what position. It's not only none of my business, it's not only prurient beyond all reasonable prurience, but I simply don't care. Do. Not Care. Lindsay Lohan can wear panties, or not, as she chooses when she gets out of a limo, but I don't want to know about it. I don't care who she's doing. I don't care if she's no longer being done. I don't care if Wesley Snipes hasn't paid his taxes. Tsk, tsk...but I don't care, beyond what I'd care that Larry Anybody didn't pay his taxes either.

I don't care where the Beautiful People ate lunch. I don't care how long the wait was at Spago. I don't give a hairy rat's ass how much they tipped.

At some level, I have to assume that celebrities are more or less just like us, only a little worse, because they have money and access and posses and retinues, and people to open doors for them and buy their cocaine for them, whereas you and I have to do all that scut work ourselves. But yes, I assume for pruposes of argument that if you and I had lots of money and access and fame (much of it undeserved), then we'd be [sphincters] too. But even then I wouldn't care.

By Joel Achenbach  |  November 30, 2009; 7:51 AM ET
 
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Gives "Just Do It" a whole new level of subtext.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

And since I was late with the Turkey Daypics, here is a repost of what you can get off the Thanksgiving buffet at The Lady And Sons (Paula Deen's DisneyWorld-ish Savannah restaurant dedicated to the art of clogging arteries for those of you who don't watch the Food Network 24/7):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/yellojkt/4145873430/in/set-72157622778917863/

There is a token slice of turkey there right next to the giant piece of succulent juicy fried chicken.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure the cops will also want to know if Tiger or his wife yelled "fore!".

Posted by: martooni | November 30, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Good God, man, you forgot to get gravy!

Posted by: Wheezy11 | November 30, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Love Tiger, but this story is just odd. Last night watching the game I came across this and it made me laugh as much as Joel's kit.

First paragraph,

Like Scott and millions of others, I’ve been sitting here trying to imagine possible conditions under which the story of Elin Nordegren using a golf club on the rear window of an SUV to “rescue” her husband from a fender-bender could hold up in a way that will eventually have us all saying “Yeah, of course, that makes perfect sense.”

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/29/awaiting-the-tiger-tale/

Posted by: dmd3 | November 30, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a gravy person. If the turkey isn't moist enough to eat without it, I don't want it. Sorry.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I've been thinking this whole thing over since it happened the other day, and I have come to this conclusion: I want to have nothing to do with it. Here's why: as a nation we are obsessed with celebrities, and the tiniest little thing they do, to the point that people report how much tip they did or didn't leave at a restaurant.

The fact is, this whole celebrity thing has swung completely out of control. And with all due respect to Liz Kelly and Roxanne and Amy and all the other celeb trackers, I'm tired of it. I simply don't want to participate any more. I just don't give a damn who is in rehab, who is out, who is having marital or sig other troubles, straight, gay, bi, trans, hetero, metro, or wacko. I don't care who [naughty verb] who and in what position. It's not only none of my business, it's not only prurient beyong all reasonable prurience, but I simply don't care. Do. Not Care. Lindsay Lohan can wear panties, or not, as she chooses when she gets oput of a limo, but I don't want to know about it. I dion't care who she's doing. I don't care if she's no longer being done. I don't care if Wesley Snipes hasn't paid his taxes. Tsk, tsk...but I don't care, beyond what I'd care that Larry Anybody didn't pay his taxes either.

I don't care where the Beautiful People ate lunch. I don't care how long the wait was at Spago. I don't give a hairy rat's ass how much they tipped.

At some level, I have to assume that celebrities are more or less just like us, only a little worse, because they have money and access and posses and retinues, and people to open doors for them and buy their cocaine for them, whereas you and I have to do all that scut work ourselves. But yes, I assume for pruposes of argument that if you and I had lots of money and access and fame (much of it undeserved), then we'd be [sphincters] too. But even then I wouldn't care.

more (this rant's gonna be a doozey, methinks)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

If the incidient was on private property, no one is making a complaint, and no insurance claim is made, beside the fact that it looks like you're hiding something, why talk with the police? Besides, hasn't he been hiding all along?

Yeah, he makes big bucks, but didn't a non-statement statement work for Big Ben? If an athlete keeps his private life private, at what point do details become our business?

Posted by: LostInThought | November 30, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

The whole world has seen Tiger lose his temper on the golf course. If he acts that way at work, I can't imagine what he acts like at home. Yikes! Needless to say, I am LOVING this story!! There are endless jokes to be made about this.

Posted by: mfigiel-krueger | November 30, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Roit!!! What's all this passive voice then, JA???

I mean, "Tiger's errant drive" has a lot more oomph, wouldn't you say?

Just another example of the decline of the WaPo online copy desk, I guess...

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Some bozo thinks families ought to be naked for five minutes on Sundays. This unusual Sunday ritual was proposed by Maurice Clemmons, the alleged officer-shooter in Tacoma, whom police would like to question. What was Mike Huckabee thinking when he pardoned him from a long prison sentence, fer Christ's sake?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html

Wish I could have asked Huck about his controversial decision, but the Tacoma story broke yesterday, and Huck was in town Saturday night, his Alamo City sister and brother-in-law in the crowd at the nearby Barnes and Noble. The very last leg of our long route on Saturday took us near the mall bookstore at the time Huck was to have signed books, so we decided to turn off for a look-see.

Mike Huckabee is short. He's now very bald on the back of his head. My husband thinks that the former Arkansas governor looks 10 to 15 years older than his promotional photo. I agree.

Mike Huckabee arrived 25 minutes late, preceded by his youngish Christmas elves, dressed in red-and-white outfits to tie into the theme of Huck's children's book, "A Simple Christmas." The crowd was enthusiastic, but rather small.

The former governor-turned-author had problems getting out of San Angelo. They flew his bus on the plane from San Angelo to San Antonio. We got a decent look at the bus, and while I was chatting with mall security, my husband got a good look down the bus's aisle. Huck was going to grab a good night's sleep in one of the berths, since he had to be back in Little Rock by Sunday morning in order to appear on FOX Sunday with Chris Wallace.

Apparently, on air yesterday, he said it's less likely than he'll run for president in 2012 (see the home page). Wonder if Huckabee and his family get naked for five minutes on Sundays? Again, what was Huckabee thinking when he granted Clemmons a pardon over the loud protest of prosecutors?

Posted by: laloomis | November 30, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, Tiger's incident has all the marks of a "domestic disturbance". First question - was all the shattered glass from that rear window at the crash site, or back at the garage? And did that get all swept up before anyone else could notice? And while I know this may sound a bit obvious, where were Tiger's clubs that Elin could grab one that quickly? In the end, though, since that only things that got hurt were the hydrant, the tree, the SUV, and Tiger's face, maybe we really don't need to know. We get enough of that kind of domestic drama with "Desperate Housewives".

Posted by: ebtnut | November 30, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

So Woods sliced into the neighbourhood rough at 2.30 a.m.. Maybe he was medicated, according to this newly unearthed, and heretofore unknown master work by Cervantes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/education/29marijuana.html?hpw

Posted by: -jack- | November 30, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Reposted from pervious Boodling:

"Good morning, all.

And welcome back, LiT.
Glad to hear you and yours enjoyed your holiday vacation.

As much as I like the idea of the passing of a weekly Football Scepter, I am of mixed feelings about the idea. I can only assume that Mudge (who seems to be in the hunt week in and week out) would use it to whack me over the head with it when I get out of line (e.g. picking the Cowboys to win or the Iggles to lose under any circumstances, etc.). The tiara, while sharper, has a much shorter effective reach/impact radius. Gilligan, for all his faults, knew that it was better to get hit with the Captian's hat than with a piece of bamboo about yea long...

I, too, have been wondering about the Salahi and Woods stories over the weekend, and think you pose interesting questions about journalism, celebrity reporting and what contisitutes effective, repsonsible media.

And if there's any money in the repsonsible journalism parts.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 30, 2009 9:11 AM"

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 30, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

SCC: ... since the only things...
More Irish Breakfast, please.

Posted by: ebtnut | November 30, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

The only reason we care about most celebrities is schadenfreude. To me, Tiger's recent incident is filed under the Mencken quote about how hard it is to believe someone is telling the truth when you know you'd lie if you were in their place. But Mudge is correct, it's really no one's business. Being a celebrity looks good to some people because of the money and power involved. The downside, of course, is the inability to do anything without being followed, photographed and dissected in the press.

Posted by: badsneakers | November 30, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I have a question from the previous boodle... wouldn't it be "Les Alouettes Montreal?"

Posted by: -TBG- | November 30, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

curmudgeon6, I don't care how many login identities you have, I think I love you.

Amen, nuff said.

Posted by: --dr-- | November 30, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

In terms of private property, an enormous, elaborate gated community in our area has a bit of a reputation for being a haven for affluent retired alcohol abusers. Since the whole place is private, what happens with golf carts and cars isn't for the public to know.

The celebrity thing has gotten completely out of control. Polite behavior is to not notice celebrities.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | November 30, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

While the situation my not be our business, the fact that Tiger Woods was rushed to the hospital after a car accident was big news. He is the biggest name in Golf, one of the biggest names in sport worldwide. It is hard to release just selected information once a story gets out.

But in general I avoid most celebrity news, first because the ones that make the news the most I have the least interest in or do not know who they are.

Posted by: dmd3 | November 30, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

SD, that is what mrdr felt. Not so much that anyone won the thing, just that the Riders worked harder at losing at the end. sigh. focu, dr, focus.

Curling. curling

Posted by: --dr-- | November 30, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

TBG, its "les Alouettes de Montréal/the Montreal Alouettes"

Being beaten by a Swedish model with a golf club was a fantasm of mine. Not so much now that it's in the public eye.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 30, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

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As far as I'm concerned, Tiger has done all the right things (possibly barring the precipitating event). According to the scuttlebutt (always highly reliable, right?), he was stepping out on his wife, and she was beating up on his butt (which he may sort of "deserved," notwithstanding questions about violent behavior and assault). So here's what Tiger did right: he didn't hit her back (I think we can stipulate that had he wanted, he could have taken her in a fair fight). He knew the situation was out of control, so instead of physically fighting back, he correctly tried to leave the scene to descalate. She apparently beat in the car window with the gold club, then jumped in front of his car. He *could* have mowed her down (and rightly claimed slef-defense) -- but he didn't. Instead, he swerved to keep from killing her, and went into a tree instead. So good for him. All that having happened, Tiger won't talk to the police about it. He doesn't want to get his wife into legal trouble (and as a spouse cannot be forced to testify against his wife), and if he did anything criminal, which seems doubtful, he cannot be forced to testify against himself. There's some folderol about filing a false report, but c'mon, that's basically crap, even if true. It's still crap.

But here's the thing: it's none of my business. If this had happened to Mr. and Mrs. John Doe of Pistol Grip, Ohio, we'd never hear about it, and it would barely make a one-liner in the Pistol Grip Picayune's police blotter column. And rightly so. So the ONLY thing this is really about is celebrity. That's all. There is otherwise no connection to the real world or our attention.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I agree dmd. Big story. But wouldn't talking with the police be in effect helping to create a report for TMZ to splash? Taking that a little further...by not talking, isn't TW saving the taxpayers' money on the inevitable 'leaked documents' investigation?

Posted by: LostInThought | November 30, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I think they are in a no win situation, by not talking to the police that becomes a story.

One of my original thoughts when I saw the report about him going to the hospital was of Payne Stewart and I was saddened to think that another great golfer might be lost.

The best way celebrity gossip could go away is for people to ignore it stop buying the rags, magazines, watching infotainment etc - but I do not think that will happen, but would gladly follow Mudge if he chose to take up the crusade!

Posted by: dmd3 | November 30, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

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So here's the thing. I'm no longer going to participate in any way, shape or form. I'm drawing a line in the sand right here. I'm not going to read any more of Liz's celeb stuff, I'm not gonna watch it on TV (I almost never do, anyway, except insofar as it is forced on me), and I'm not gonna offer any more comments on it (sorry, Joel, but my performance record of being on'kit is pretty miserable anyway, so it's not like I'm a great loss on that score).

I'm just not going to be part of the audience any more, not going to be a part of the masses. This kind of celebrity obsession diminishes and reduces all of us to a variety of college-educated, upscale, white collar trailer trash who spend the day watching Jerry Spring and Ricky Lake. There's serious BS going on in the world, wars, global warming, genocide, starvation, epidemics, and an effed-up front office in the Redskins organization. Serious people shouldn't be quite so concerned with ephemera. A little of it here and trhere is fine (we're all human), but it's gotten out of hand, as has so much else in our increasingly toxic culture.

Far as I'm concerned, Tiger did the best he could under those circumstances (even if he precipitated it). So mazel tov, Tiger. Don't talk to the cops, don't talk to the media. I hope you can patch it up with your wife (and keep your zipper zipped, if that was the problem). One way or the other, I don't want to know about it. But I'm out. I'm no longer part of the crowd. I don't do celebs any more.

Except Evangeline.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all, and happy Back to Work Monday.

I heartily agree with Mudge's rant, all three parts. I may not be able to completely avoid celebrity comment, but I'll do my best.

That said, the Kit is very funny.

On the question of crime: if a report is made, police have jurisdiction to investigate it, even in a gated community. Whether or not the behavior is criminal depends in part on state laws, both regarding crimes and the gated location (in some jurisdictions gated communities are private roads). If there is no victim and nobody files a complaint, arrest and prosecution are unlikely.

The police shooting in Seattle is very sad. I wouldn't read too much into Huckabee's pardon of the suspect, for several reasons. Huckabee granted clemency of various sorts unusually often (for a governor) during his term. This person was either a juvenile or very young at the time and had essentially a lifelong sentence. Finally, the opposition of the prosecutor means nothing. I can probably count on the fingers of one hand cases in which clemency has been granted with the prosecutor's support. When a prosecutor is successful and a defendant is convicted and sent to prison, the prosecutor usually believes that person deserves that outcome and doesn't want it disturbed.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 30, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The new Chez Tiger on Jupiter Island is under construction.

http://www.page2live.com/2009/11/09/is-that-a-new-motel-6-on-jupiter-island-no-its-tiger-woods-new-crib/

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | November 30, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

-jack-, Scottynuke,

I am surprised no one came up with the headline,

"Woods Slices Through His Neighborhood On An Errant Drive."

Posted by: charley42 | November 30, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Upon Further Review, I gotta go with LiT and Mudge on this one. The whole Tiger/Elin/SUV business is none of mine - no one was seriously hurt, and it occurred on private property.

I think he's getting good advice and doing the right thing(s) by keeping the circumstances a private matter as much as possible. Hopefully no one on the Tiger Team will give in to the inevitable pressure in a bid for public attention (another intersection of celebrity-seeking and journalism).

I didn't realize that doing commercials made one subject to public scrutiny at the same level as public servants, holders of office, and other government representatives...

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 30, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"But you can't have it both ways in life. You can't be a celebrity who rakes in tens of millions of dollars by endorsing products and popping up on our TV screen every day, and at the same time demand privacy when you wreck a car in a weird and conspicuous manner and then refuse to meet with the authorities who want to question you about an accident."
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Good point, but this isn't about celebrity: I'm pretty sure the police are interested in a possible instance of battery on a spouse, in this case, evidently, Erin's on Tiger. In many places, that's a mandatory visit to the hoosgow.

Posted by: abqcleve | November 30, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Domestic abuse is a very serious issue and the treatment of celebrities when they assault (or are assaulted by) their partners reflects on how society treats these crimes.

While the rubber-necker and schadenfreude aspects are large, this is more than a drunken starlet flashing her goods coming out of a limo.

And I Am Not A Lawyer But...the 'pillow talk' rules in cases of domestic violence are probably different than for, say, income tax evasion.

There is a recent case where the wife of a local New York anchorman was charged with assaulting his wife and she later recanted. The prosecutors decided to continue with the case.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I think there are two issues when it comes to celebrities.

First is the issue of "why do we care." Well, Jeepers, it seems to me that this can, and has, been said about spectator sports as well. I mean, so one bunch of employees beats another bunch of employees in a game. I don't see following celebs, per se, as being any less silly. We find lots of trivial things interesting.

But there is a second, more troubling, aspect to celebrity worship. At some point it really does become an invasion of privacy.

Now, I have little sympathy for some of those celebs who seek out the camera because all they really have to offer is their celebrity. Don't cry to me Ms. Hilton.

However, there really are some people who don't deserve constant scrutiny. Some jobs are, by their nature, more in the public eye than others. But this doesn't, of course, necessarily imply that everything those people do is any of our business.

Now Tiger is in the gray zone. You can't be a successful golfer without becoming well known. And yet he certainly has courted fame through his many, many advertising appearances.

So, to me, it really is a matter of degree. Sure, scan the headlines, and peruse some of the more amusing articles. (Liz just writes good.) But know when to look away when things get to horrific.

Much like spectator sports.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 30, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

1. Als deserved the win, with an impressive comeback. Saskatchewan: 12 is the correct number, and the correct number is 12. 11 shalt thou not count, excepting that thou then counteth to 12. 13 is right out.

2. (Saskatchewan lost by incurring a too many men on the field penalty on the play that the Als actually missed the last minute field goal, thus allowing a gan du Mul/Mulligan).

3. Congrats Als. Not so fast, Duval - remedial kicking for you. You didn't so much win the game as failed to lose it.

4. Tiger. This is just a lame attempt to keep golf (the new bad boy sport) in the news during the traditional off-season between the PGA and the Masters.

5. Also, the appeal of this story is all schnarfinade (nod to bia, finally got to use it).

Posted by: engelmann | November 30, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

C'mon Joel, you know it couldn't have been a Big Bertha: Tiger's a Nike guy. I'm guessing she hit him (oops, sorry--- hit the SUV) with a 60 degree lob wedge. It's a lot heavier than a driver and it's easier to control.

Posted by: Regis09 | November 30, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

mudge, i completely agree with your sentiments about celebrity news. the tiger woods story is perhaps a cut above constant crap being churned out because domestic violence is a more serious issue, but i feel bad for the couple. if anything, i'd put money on two things: 1) tiger is smart and he's talking to good lawyers, and 2) this will be a huge wake-up call to the couple, and hopefully it will spur them to get some professional help with their marriage or do whatever it is that they need to do. i'd also wager that tiger won't go in public until he's physically healed and likely won't go to the next tournament (which i think is very soon out here in socal).

Posted by: LALurker | November 30, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I want to understand why people are so interested with the lives of celebrities, or royalty, or the Donald Trumps of the world. The mundane details of their lives never really interested me. I get enjoying hearing that someone who made a career by righteously telling everyone else how to live their life has been caught hiking the Appalachian trail or in some transgression of the rules others are supposed to live by. I get the newsworthiness of disasters, not so much the rubbernecking but for hearing about the how and why, if the cause is known. Of course this means that I pretty much don't get NASCAR (look, they are making another right turn) or reality TV, or a lot else in popular culture. But I am curious, was this hardwired into us as primates? Did the less successful members of the group who kept track of all the details about the alphas in the group do better? Or has one trait out of many been elevated by mass media, marketing, and the 24 hour news cycle to a point of primacy in our culture?

Posted by: km2bar | November 30, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Too bad he doesn't use Taylor Made - these are perfect.

http://www.taylormadegolf.com/mainlevel/golfshop/rescue-clubs.html?IsPopUp=0#30

Posted by: dmd3 | November 30, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

charley42, great headline.

abqcleve, long time no see!

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 30, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, LostInThought, and bc all abjure the peekaboo culture that is part of our celebrity worship and I think everyone here knows that celebrities come very close to being of zero interest here on the A-blog. Nor do we engage in sheet-sniffing, so far as I recall -- correct me if I'm wrong about that. (Note that the kit does not get into any alleged bimbo eruptions. Not my bidness.) But I think Tiger is a public figure. He's also an A-blog fixture -- we write about him when he does something great. And here's the key point that abqcleve has brought up: The FHP wants to know why Tiger crashed and he won't talk to them. There's obviously a legal issue in the wind here: If this crash was the result of domestic violence then it is NOT the privilege of the man and woman in question to say go away, we don't want to talk to you -- at least that's my understanding of domestic violence law (which I assume is primarily geared to protecting women who might be afraid of pressing charges and/or who might change their mind and stay in a situation that could prove dangerous or even fatal). Any lawyers out there who can help me on this?

Posted by: joelache | November 30, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse


Mr. Athletic Superstar, Mr. Clean, will lose millions from this contretemps. Since noting else was damaged that his remaining millions can't clean up, this seems like a self resolving story.

Posted by: edbyronadams | November 30, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Actually, you *can* decline to talk to the authorities; it's a basic Fifth Amendment right. And you *can* decline to testify against your spouse, if you so decide. If the police want to continue investigating, that's their decision and possibly their job. But you have no special requirement to help them in those two limited instances.

However, I do recognize a double standard. If this had been a case of a husband beating up on the wife, and going after her with a gold club, our view would probably be different: we'd want the wife to testify against the abusing husband and get rid of the SOB. A lot of women's advocate-type people would want the wife to get out of that abusive relationship, move to a shelter, get help, etc. (and I probably wouldn't disagree). That the wife had been cheating on the husband wouldn't have been much of a mitigating factor ("she deserved to have him kick her butt, the cheatin' hussy").

So yes, a double standard is in operation here. (And it has nothing whatsoever to do with celebrity status; that merely clouds the issue.)

That said, I'm still glad Tiger's staying silent. There is no obligation whatsoever, in law or anywhere else, to feed the insatiable media machine. None. Zero. So don't.

I was pondering the extended question of what point a celeb incident *should* become a matter of public interest, attention, debate -- and TV notoriety. I was thinking specifically about well-known cases such as the Robert Blake case or O.J. Simpson. Yes, these were murder cases, and whole orders of magnitude more serious than a domestic squabble and a minor car crash. But even then, what makes any one murder (or murder of an ex-spouse and her boyfriend) any more sigficant in the Simpson case than any other similar homicide. The answer is clear nothing but celebrity.

In the Blake case a guy shot his wife. Tragic and lamentable -- but shouldn't it be roughly the same as any other spousal homicide? And god knows, how many times have we heard about some jerk murdering his ex-wife or ex-girlfriend? All horrible cases, sure -- but how different from OJ?

And yes, I understood from the first day of J-School that "names make news," and indeed they do. But there have to be limits. There is still a difference between something being "newsworthy" on the one hand, and total TV fodder for an obsessive, prupriet audience on the other. I can find no rational reason why the death of Mrs. Blake or Simpson's ex should be any different from the equally tragic death of a thousand other wives and exes who were murdered.

We'd never be talking about this stuff if the guy was a plumber and his wife was a Safeway cashier and they lived in Socket Wrench, Wisconsin.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

OK I have posted Mudge's 930 rant in the kit. It's a classic!

Posted by: joelache | November 30, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

We've all seen it on the course. Tiger slices into the water, then wraps his club around a tree.

So...he swings wide coming out of the driveway, hits a fireplug, then wraps his Escalade around a tree.

Same thing.

Posted by: hackett1 | November 30, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, it seems that there's a likelihood of some sort of spousal abuse issue, and the police should ask a couple of questions (him, her, kids, neighbors, staff, etc.), see what they can figure out. But is Paparazzi at the Gate really all that helpful? If you were in his shoes, we'd want to make sure you're safe (my guess is he's surrounded by lawyers who are doing just that for him *and* the kids). I'm guessing there's a couple details about money and kids that need to be worked out, and he might be in a pretty good bargaining position at the moment. That would change one he speaks. That which comes next, do that next.

Besides, shouldn't the spotlight be on the abuser, not the abused? Where's the interest in her statement?

Pistol Grip OH? Socket Wrench WI? Mudge, you go to some interesting places. Were you in search of road-side marvels like the world's biggest ball of string, or were you on crop circle detail? Inquiring minds want to know....

Posted by: LostInThought | November 30, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

It isn't about domestic violence - she hit the CAR, not him, and he hit the fire hydrant, not her. It IS entirely about celebrity, as Mudge described.
Lizard Island will miss you. I agree with you, though will likely stay on. The reason I read it is for a shot of humor for the day; the comments, the ones I read it for, are hilarious. I don't care what any of those "celebrities" are doing, I want to read what poem or pun has been made up about whatever, that makes me bust out laughing....
This situation, however, isn't funny, it's just sad.

Posted by: agog1 | November 30, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

We have all seen Tiger lose his temper on the Golf course, Slam a club down or throw it carelessly around. What makes you think he doesn't continue this behavior at home?
Perhaps both Mr & Mrs Woods do this same thing..act out with Golf clubs..destroying property or things . Then is this a Danger for their children? Is this a Danger to the other spouse?

What if the situation were reversed and we found Mrs Woods in the drveway with Tiger standing over her with a golf club..Don't you think a warrant would have been issued by now on the investigation of possible Domestic Abuse?

Believe me I think it would have.. # days of hiding behind Lawyers.. Please somebody get a Writ...& protect the children until we know the answers of what went on down there..

Posted by: digtldesk | November 30, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

mudge, you're right about the gender double-standard. it makes sense that the police are asking for the medical records. if it turns out any of tiger's injuries were not the result of the car accident, then the police will, one assumes, investigate what the law requires as is their job. and here, celebrity should not deter the lawful investigation of domestic violence, even if it does expose more information about the incident and, unfortunately, feed the media frenzy.

Posted by: LALurker | November 30, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I understand completely why the FHP may want to talk to Tiger (and probably his wife too), Joel. But that's the FHP's problem; it isn't *my* problem. Whether they want to talk to him or not, how is it any different from the Utah Highway Patrol wanting to talk to John Doe? If they need to do their jobs, fine; go do what you can. But it's not *my* business what the UHP needs to do, or CHIPS, or the Penna State Police, or NYPD, or any other agency.

No matter who the law enforcement agency is, and no matter who the perps are, we're still talking about a pretty smalltime, limited domestic disturbance and a minor car accident. And even if there is a domestic violence issue, which I acknowledge there is, it is STILL nothing but a local domestic violence issue that is none of my business or concern, and more than any of the ten gazillion other cases in this country.

Yes, Tiger is a public figure. So? We aren't playing around with this thing because we are all so gosh-darned concerned about reducing fender-benders or protecting guys from getting beat up by their angry wives. God knows, we aren't remotely concerned -- except pruriently -- about marital infidelity; stats say it occurs to 50 percent of every couple in this country.

Are we discussing any other minor car accidents in Florida? How many might there have been on that same night? Are we concerned with any other domestic disturbance calls the other day? No.

Yes, he's a public figure. Yes, I like him and admire him. No, he has no claim on my attention outside of his golf score and his handicap. I don't care that Mickey Mantle drank like a fish. I don't know why Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe didn't get along (other than they were both crazy).

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

We have all seen Tiger lose his temper on the Golf course, Slam a club down or throw it carelessly around. What makes you think he doesn't continue this behavior at home?
Perhaps both Mr & Mrs Woods do this same thing..act out with Golf clubs..destroying property or things . Then is this a Danger for their children? Is this a Danger to the other spouse?

What if the situation were reversed and we found Mrs Woods in the drveway with Tiger standing over her with a golf club..Don't you think a warrant would have been issued by now on the investigation of possible Domestic Abuse?

Believe me I think it would have.. # days of hiding behind Lawyers.. Please somebody get a Writ...& protect the children until we know the answers of what went on down there.. What if someone wakes up DEAD in the future at that same address months down the road.. who are you going to blame for not investigating the possibility that someone or possibly BOTH need ANGER MANAGEMENT CONTROL....

Posted by: digtldesk | November 30, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I for one, have always been more interested in the triumph over adversity stories, or the stories of how someone reaches the pinnacle of their profession.

However, there is an odd curiosity to the opposite, why does someone who "appears" to have it all screw up? That character imperfection has always provided curiosity - would we read Greek or any other mythology if no one ever made mistakes?

As for stories that make the news it is something I have wondered about whether the person is famous or not - what draws attention to some crimes over others - probably many reasons for that.

Posted by: dmd3 | November 30, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

digtldesk, I guess that's it. Why do "we" need to know? Can I look in your checkbook? Maybe watch you argue with your spouse, or discipline your child? Snap some pics while I'm at it? If the line is there for us, why isn't it there for him?

Posted by: LostInThought | November 30, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

If someone wakes up dead at that address in the future I'm thinking we need to call ... the Pope?

Posted by: Wheezy11 | November 30, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

When I cross the line on my Taxes , The IRS is there to check it out. When a neighbor hears gunshot coming from the direction of my house (even though it was an echo and I have a GSD in my backyard) 4 Deputy Sheriffs showed up at my house & asked to see me & my wife. So If the man has cuts on both his face and lacerations inside his mouth but the police towed the vehicle and see no evidence of anything that could have caused lacerations INSIDE of his mouth, I guess one would have a hard time explaining how it happened. Then if you lie to a police officer it may become a crime after the fact.

BTW I don't argue with my wife outside of the house, I don't drive in an errant matter at 2AM. Most people can maneuver around fire hydrants unless they are distracted or it is foggy or they possibly have some bleeding going on in their mouth BEFORE they impacted the Hydrant..

Posted by: digtldesk | November 30, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Dear Tiger Woods, I am very disappointed in your response to lawful authorities in the case of your auto accident. You are an iconic role model and to act in this manner is reprehensible on your part. As far as I know, a fire hydrant is public property and the tree was not on your private property. Accoridngly, you need to do the responsible thing and respond as any other American should. As you just got a bump and a bruise, you should have made the truth known and then have a sense a humor about it. You are missing a golden opportunity to further endear yourself to the American people. In the process, you would show the youth of the world how to step up and responsibly handle such minor matters. Unfortunately, you are taking the Ted Kennedy way out. This will never stand you in good stead with the public, who adore you and loath to see you act in such a God Awful manner.
Your detractors, who have just been waiting for the chance to slam you, now have a gift, from you no less, with which to do just that.
You need to lighten up, get a grip and take a healthy dose of reality. A little bit of self depricating humor would go a long way to resolve this minor situation. Please, don't let this little scracth fester into cancer.

Posted by: vmonroe_valnesio | November 30, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Woods is not required by law to talk to FHP. That's why rich people have lawyers - they are at their beck and call and tell them who to talk to.

Posted by: rlj1 | November 30, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I suspect, too, that it's a pretty short trip between discussing the celebrity obsession aspect of the Tiger case to traveling a short way across the world to discussing the celebrity obsession status of the State Dinner-crashing Salahis. In the one case, it is we the public who are obsessed with Tiger (but that's supposed to be OK, he's a public figure). On the other, it was the Salahis who were obsessed about *becoming* celebrities, and who would do nearly anything to achieve it.

But the common denominator is simply celebrityhood itself. There's way too much of it, though I don't think it affects the Salahi case all that much. I don't think they were especially focused outward on the media circus that's out there. People have wanted to be famous and part of the glitterati from the very beginning of time, without regard to whether there was an Internet, Hollywood Tonight and People and Us magazines. There were people who were dying to catch the eye of Pharoah and be part of the hip, trendy pyramid thing, going up and down the Nile on the royal barge, or hoping Caligula would invite them to the next orgy. Narcissism exists without regard to its outer environment. It's when the outer environment that looks back at the narcissist we have a problem.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Okay, Joel, I'll bite. You raise an interesting question about domestic violence law. There are also some interesting assumptions being made regarding this situation.

First, an important caveat: there is, as far as I can tell, no certainty that domestic violence was involved here. Perhaps they were arguing. Perhaps she hit him. Perhaps that golf club was not wielded in an attempt at rescue. That's way too many "perhaps". Even if any or all of those things were true, I strongly caution anyone from extrapolating from those circumstances to suggest that imminent danger to anyone would justify pre-emptive removal of anyone from the home. There are countries in which that might be a matter of course but that is not how U.S. law works, in any state.

About the golf club thing: It is surprising how often people in crisis situations react with what seems to them reasonable vigor, which is wholly illogical. She may well have been trying to help.

Another point is that the "violence" everyone here is discussing is actual physical violence. Seeing someone stand over an injured person, after a car accident, would not support an assumption that the stander caused the injury, even if the stander is carrying a golf club.

Domestic violence law varies among states, but one constant is that there must be some evidence of the crime. This doesn't always come directly from the victim. Perhaps an eyewitness reports seeing S (suspect) beating V (victim). Perhaps V's injuries require a doctor or hospital visit, and the medical care provider becomes suspicious and reports the injuries. Perhaps V initially reports the crime but recants. Perhaps cops see it happen.

In all these cases, law enforcement may investigate. S and V do in fact have the ability to refuse to cooperate in this investigation. Mudge correctly points out that neither S nor V have any obligation to talk to police. Of course, if there is other evidence against S, he or she may do the "not talking" from a cell. It is common in domestic violence cases to continue a prosecution even if V recants or refuses to admit the violence on the stand, assuming there is some evidence (if only V's original complaint). This has to do with the severe imbalances of power in abusive relationships, and has been a great step forward in the quest to have domestic violence seen as a crime. However, that doesn't give police power to force anyone to make a complaint or submit to questioning.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 30, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

So, what causes lacerations to the inside of the mouth? Teeth, usually, when the face makes contact with a solid object such as a steering wheel (he rear-ended the hydrant, so no airbag). But why was he driving so erratically? Well, he knows, and his wife knows or has a very good idea, but given that FHP decided not to ask before they could lawyer up, the public is unlikely ever to know for certain. One would hope, however, that if this was sparked by a DV incident, the responding officers would have picked up on that at the scene and initiated that investigation, rather than treating it as strictly a traffic accident.

Posted by: northgs | November 30, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

rjl1, nobody is required by law to talk to police. Being rich or having a lawyer has nothing to do with it. There may be distinct consequences for your exercise of that right, but we all have it.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 30, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Front page and full moon alert, if you hadn't noticed. Insofar as I had a role in this, I apologize. In any event I'm done.

All I'm gonna talk about from here on out is food and how badly I'm kicking bc's butt in the tiara contest. (OK, it ain't a lot, and I'm hearing footsteps.)

(Trying desperately to change the subject) there's a WaPo poll that asks readers to submit nominations for the "best of the decade" in various categories, "best political scandal, movie moment, athlete, local story and more, as well as your nominations for the most influential person of the decade." Which is all fine and dandy by me; these things can be harmless fun (if not taken to excruciating lengths). Be that as it may, it is promoed on the front page as follows: "Best of Decade: Pick seminal moments, '00-'09."

Two problems. First, "seminal" always puts my naughty head in a place where it shouldn't be. Second, and more important, I don't think the headline writer knows what "seminal" means (in any of its various connotations, including the name of a Florida indian tribe). "Seminal" doesn't mean "best of," not even when you get lucky on a date with a cheerleader. And it pretty much has nothing to do with what your learn in a seminary.

(Yes, yes, I know how to spell Seminole; it was a joke. Lemme alone.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Is it illegal to say, like sex rough, Ivansmom?

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 30, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

It would certainly be interesting to know how and why Tiger Woods crashed his car, there is a problem: the answers are none of our business.

Posted by: francislholland | November 30, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Arrogance and special treatment.
I know that if I had been involved in any traffic accident and my response to FHP had been-a]sorry I'm sleeping now and can't discuss it: b] calling dispatch to recall troopers sent out; c] stated I would come in Sunday and then, oh I changed my mind---I would be sitting in a cell right now. I could care less about any possibly selacious details. I do however care about Wood's belief that his actions require different reactions due to his celebrity.
You and FHP can reaquaint me hourly with "the law"--and as a longtime Florida resident I will telll you-this is not the way it goes down with ordinary folk here in the Sunshine State.

Posted by: alyd69 | November 30, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

You know. We have 2 wars, Health care issues and unemployment to deal with. Tiger Woods car driving ability really is something that most people care about. (except maybe the tabloid readers)

Posted by: Hopinghere2 | November 30, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure I understand the point of your question in the context of domestic violence or crime, Wilbrod. Again, given the variations among state laws, if consenting adults agree to a particular activity among themselves in privacy, it should not be a matter for law enforcement. Now, if the activity is so rough one of the participants dies, the other will be liable for some type of homicide charge. You don't get to consent to that.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 30, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Well 'Mudge, salmonella moments natuarally follow extensive use of holiday leftovers, right?

Oh, wait...

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

THERE IS NO DOUBT ... that had it been SHE who was driving the car wildly with injuries inconsistent with the auto accident, and HE who had smashed out the windshield ... people would be much less inclined to look the other way.

YES, it may be a Domestic Violence case ... and YES, the police are obligated to investigate.

Posted by: db16 | November 30, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing is nothing but tabloid journalism at it's worst. Since Woods and his wife aren't talking at this point anything we say is based solely on speculation. Is it normal for someone to go leave at 2:25 in the morning? Of course not. Is it normal for someone to "hear a crash" and grab a golf club to go investigate a crash? Of course not. Do we know what the story is? Nope, we don't.

As to the legality Woods has compiled with Florida Law. He was required to provide his license, registration and insurance information which his attorney did. He was not required to talk to police and he didn't. So what? On the issue of domestic abuse having caused this it's probably safe to assume since the wife had a golf club in her hand out side he would have been on the losing end of that argument. There has been no mention of her with any visible signs of being abused. If I was a betting man I lay my money on a scenario where they had an argument, it became heated, he decided to leave, she grabbed a club and followed him outside, he jumped in the SUV and she started whacking it with the club. He sped away and lost control with her chasing him. However, I'd probably lose my money if I bet on this scenario.

As to the celebrity status and he's fair game get a life. I've heard this ridiculous argument for years. Woods has made a concerted effort to maintain his privacy and he's entitled to it. If companies don't want to hire him to pitch their products because of views on privacy no one is forcing them to pay him millions. They do it in spite of his views on privacy because they have deemed it good for business. Is anyone dumb enough to argue Woods has had a negative impact on the PGA for his adamant privacy stance? No, it's a non-issue. When Tiger isn't playing their ratings go through the floor. The only group that screams for more access is the press. They tell him he has a responsibility to be more open when none exists. They tell him he can't have it both ways. Why not? It's been working real well for him so far. Whether or not he crashed a car in unusual circumstances is Tiger's business if he wants to exercise his desire for privacy. These same self-serving tabloid writers know damn well that this incident, by itself, will be non-issue in a few weeks. That's the news cycle reality we all live in. Get a life and leave his alone.

Posted by: boblund1 | November 30, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I'll bite Mudge, Globe and Mail is also running a similar event, so far best movies of the decade and best sporting event (this week). Since I see so few movies I am out on that one, but sporting events for me would be double gold by Canadian Hockey teams in Salt Lake - can still picture my eldest outside celebrating. Mike Weir's Masters Win, Tiger Woods shot at Glen Abbey probably the best golf shot I have ever seen. Usain Bolt's 100 metres. Michael Phelps. And one to be named later :-).

Posted by: dmd3 | November 30, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, your reply is fair enough.

I was just thinking of a staged scenario possibly getting out of control enough to attract a neighbor's notice and complaint. I think at a minimum they'd be booked with disturbing the peace (just because the police had to be called in).

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 30, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Or we could just ask the classic leading question:

When did you stop beating your wife?

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Mudge -- lunch is in the back room on the large cafeteria table. I resisted using the red plaid tablecloth because it is not yet December. I used the football-themed cloth.

Turkey tetrazinni (is that real?)
Turkey enchiladas (my specialty -- sour cream chili sauce, not the classic red)

brussl sprouts (no crowding, tis enough from everyone)

pears -- perfect

Others will add their contributions shortly.

Wash your hands and go to the head of the line. RDP -- that goes double for you.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 30, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Far more often, the police are called and nobody is booked, arrested or cited. If you call the police because your neighbor's dog is noisy, or a party is loud, that doesn't automatically mean someone gets arrested, or even issued a citation. If police arrive, investigate, find no crime (but a possibly alarmed or annoyed neighbor), they'll leave. Their mission is to "protect and serve". Not only is it hard and dangerous, it can be darn frustrating.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 30, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

CqP, you are so kind. I have sage butter sweet potato casserole, which will be reheated shortly. Also creamed corn, from that I bought fresh in July and froze. I hope that will be enough of a contribution from me.

I hope the Woods kids (aren't there two? I just don't keep up with this stuff) are okay. I also hope there are lawyers hired to look out for their best interests.

Posted by: slyness | November 30, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I've got some corn casserole in the fridge...

*shuffle shuffle shuffle*

Somewhere...

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

And here is the WaPo version of the Cannabis College story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/29/AR2009112902724.html

I guess they can blame getting scooped by The Times on being too wasted researching the issue.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

And your "No Duh" moment for the day:

"Palin particularly popular among fans of Limbaugh and Beck"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/29/AR2009112902717_pf.html

Nothing gets by Dan Balz.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that the posters who claim to care the least are also the ones who drone on and on and ON, for paragraphs at a time, about how little they care?

Posted by: dllydggr | November 30, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the dishes, Slyness and ScottyN. Here is our food history lesson of the day (CLIPPED IN TOTO from Wikipedia)

Tetrazzini
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tetrazzini is an American dish usually involving a non-red meat (often diced fowl or seafood), mushrooms, and almonds in a butter/cream and parmesan sauce flavored with wine or sherry and stock vegetables such as onions, celery, and carrots. It is often served hot over spaghetti or some similarly thin pasta, garnished with lemon or parsley, and topped with additional almonds and/or Parmesan cheese.

The dish is named after the Italian opera star Luisa Tetrazzini.[1] It is widely believed to have been invented ca. 1908-1910 by Ernest Arbogast, then chef at the Palace Hotel in San Francisco, California, where Tetrazzini was a long-time resident. However, other sources attribute the origin to the Knickerbocker Hotel in New York City.[2][unreliable source?]

There is no universal standard for the dish, so various parts are missing or substituted in various recipes. For example, another kind of nut, or different hard cheese. The name is often expanded to describe the specific protein used (e.g. Chicken Tetrazzini, or Tuna Tetrazzini).
[edit] References

1. ^ Amanda Gold (2009-05-31). "Bay Area stars freshening up 5 classic dishes". San Francisco Chronicle. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/31/FDV317PLBJ.DTL&type=food.
2. ^ Niosi, Andrea (December, 2004). "Chicken Tetrazzini". Foodreference.com. http://www.foodreference.com/html/fchickentetrazzini.html. Retrieved 2007-02-10.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 30, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to the Boodle, dllydggr. In this forum, people appreciate clear opinions supported by sound reasoning, argument from experience or authority, and, where possible, facts. Sometimes this translates into deliberate, thorough comments. Saying "I don't care about celebrities" (a) leaves much in question (in what way? too much information? too little? jealousy?) and (b) isn't very interesting. A supported argument at least opens up the possibility of intelligent discussion, something else the Boodle likes. All this can take, as you say, whole paragraphs.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 30, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the interest in this story. People never leave their house at 2:00am?

Of course there are strange things occurances here...but nothing criminal. And more important nothing of public impact.

If the rumors are true him and his wife had a fight. Wow riveting (sarcasm).

I am making a comment because this speaks ill of us as a society and our media that this is a focus.

Posted by: 411Tibby | November 30, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Frosti -- Pulp wrote this song "Pencil Skirt"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuvVvly0Ypk

Somewhat anemic Brit pop, but thought you would like to know that your skirt is not only wearable, tis a metaphor for "she is with someone else other than me." You know, one of the six great song themes of all time.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 30, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Because, dllydggr, it is an effort to get everyone else to not care, too, because it is part of a degenerative sickness in our society. Got it now? Good. (Assume you know how to just skip over stuff you don't want to read. The rest of us do.)

Thank you, CqP. You are a nonparallel (one of those little chocolate candies with tiny white sprinklies on them).

Dave Jamieson has done a really nice job of reporting this piece: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/20/AR2009112003175.html?hpid=features1&hpv=national&sid=ST2009112702107

When you are done reading it, try to think of a "solution" to either this guy's particular problem, or to the emergency responders' dilemma. I can't. Not a good one, anyway.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Tiger is a dumb as#. This woman is "well known" around Manhattan and Tiger should have known better. NYC is FULL of attractive, divorced Cougars looking for a rich guy - and they will do anything in their power to get their prey - married or not, they could care less. Monogamous men approaching their 40's and in the midst of or beginning a mid life crisis are "low hanging fruit" for these women...."free"/kid-free/nag-free sex with a hot chick is hard to resist when it is literally "thrown" at you.

Posted by: mtbunker | November 30, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

The Viking babe apparently beats him like a rented mule. He runs for cover, she chases him with golf club in hand. Actually it looks like she teed off on him for laying some pipe with yet another Viking babe and the "accident" was an attempt to cover it up.

Posted by: jhadv | November 30, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Mudge -- been wanting a metaphor for my freckles. Little nonpareil candies....perfect. Smoochies!

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 30, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

CqP, the only turkey tetrazzini I have experienced is the college dining hall version. But I'm sure the boodle version is much tastier, so I'll do my best not to judge before trying. Thanks for setting up the meal! Just in case there's a person or two who still has room for pie, I'll bring my apple pie à la Great-Grandma. (The tricks are making the crust "not too thick and not too thin" and saying "hope it will be good" when you put it in the oven.)

Posted by: -bia- | November 30, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

At this point Tiger has about 72 hours to get this out and begging a mea cupla otherwise he stands to loose a lot, whole of lot of money.
If the PGA didn't drink before this they are now.
The gravy train is leaving the station with a scorned woman at the controls. If I were him I would be sleeping somewhere else and hope she does not get ahold of John Bobbitts wife's cutting knife.
You would have thought he would have known better than to hook up with a 'hostess' who knows how to work a cellphone camera. Man those photo's are going to go for big bucks.

Posted by: KBlit | November 30, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Bia -- Yoki would approve; light bechamel sauce, complete with finely chopped mushrooms added later after the sauce set. I added a dash of curry powder....whattayadink about dat?

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 30, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Ooh, yum. I'm there.

Posted by: -bia- | November 30, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

*blushing*

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

TigerStorm or WoodsWind?

Since Rachel Uchitel is 34 and Tiger is 33 (turns 34 in a month), calling her a cougar is a little bit of a misnomer regardless of whether she is actually a third party in this domestic crisis or not.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Tiger owes "us" anything. If his sponsors wanted to give him money because he is a crystal clean human being, then that is how they should have hyped it instead of claiming they are selling their products solely due to the fact that he is a phenomenal athlete.
We do not "own" him. His sponsors do not "own" him. He owes nothing to anyone except the law and according to the law, he doesn't even owe them an explanation for what happened.
Case closed.

Posted by: cms1 | November 30, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I suppose that the Woods situation could potentially become a slightly public issue if someone presses charges and it becomes a matter of public record in a court of law.

Until then, I think all the Woods' need to do is to sit tight, try to work things out privately, and wait for some other celeb or wannabe to get themselves in a jam or make a mistake, and the whole troop of paparazzi (or is that a herd, a scourge, a pack -- what?) will stampede over to someone else's gate or front lawn.

And so it goes.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 30, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

From everything I've heard, it seems like Tiger is the one being abused. Rumor is he's cheating. That would 'splain E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

Posted by: forgetthis | November 30, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I think the collective noun you were looking for, bc, is a vomit of paparazzi. Or perhaps a roadkill of paparazzi.

Maybe we could vote on it. Any other nominations?

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I nominate "a scum of paparazzi."

Left over pumpkin cheesecake would look nice on the football themed table-eat up folks, I've had more than enough.

Perhaps DotC can tell us why FHP even cares. In MN we are thankfully short of gated communities, but the MN highway patrol wouldn't be interested unless the accident occurred on a state highway.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | November 30, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

The only reason I'm interested in the Tiger story is that my reaction when I heard he had been in a car crash was concern - for him, his family, his athletic career possibly cut short. Then when the details came out, the story didn't seem to add up. I suppose I'm hoping that he and his wife are getting the help they need - I'd hate to see either one wind up dead because of arguments that got out of control.

I've read enough memoirs by famous people to know that their private lives can be as messy, or messier, than "regular" people's - but it's still interesting when the illusion is shattered.

My mom mad Turkey Tettrazini in the 60s - with spaghetti noodles - but I've never attempted it myself.

This looks like an interesting book about maps:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/books/2010369741_litlife30.html?cmpid=2628

Posted by: seasea1 | November 30, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

A parasite of paparazzi.

A tapeworm of paparazzi.

A flashbulb of paparazzi (no, too old technology. Nobody knows what flashbulbs are anymore. A strobe of paparazzi just doesn't capture the sleaze thing; much too antiseptic.)

Back a few years a vampire of paparazzi might have worked, but the hip, new, trendy view of vampires is now something dreamy and swoony and pale-faced romantic, with seminal undertones (so to speak). Simply no longer an option for what we want. They've taken a perfectly good bloodchilling concept and turned it into Tremulous Barbie and Bloodsucker Ken.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

A Psoriasis of Paparazzi-
irritating, unsightly, annoying, and it just never ever goes away completely.

Posted by: kguy1 | November 30, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I suppose Tiger Woods should be thankful that the accident was not a bad one - I mean a really bad one that would have, for example, required him to have blood transfusion as a result of some massive or substantial bleeding. For God knows there is no other Cablanasian (or Kablanasian?) in the western hemisphere (and for that matter anywhere else on this small earth) with a blood type that is suitable and compatible with Tiger's.

Posted by: erickaba | November 30, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

A tetrazzini of paparazzi?

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 30, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

SD -- wait until we finish the chafing dishes of T.T. Manners, VLPmaster, Manners! :)

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 30, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

erickaba, for your future reference

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type

Think you were thinking of bone marrow transplant re the difficulties in matches.

Posted by: dmd3 | November 30, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I share the sentiment of those who really don't care why this happened. From my perspective, people who find this crap interesting really don't have lives of their own, really. At this point, this appears to be between Tiger Woods' family and the highway patrol, and that's just fine by me. I'm sure the HP will insist on getting a satisfactory account at some point. Just move on folks, nothing to see here ...

Posted by: rbe1 | November 30, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Charley42: Loved your headline.

Posted by: Safronie | November 30, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

ok - i admit it - i love celeb gossip... i'm the lowlife... i watch jon & kate - i read the front page of the tabs while in the grocery store lines - no i don't buy any of them but i do read them... do i believe all of it? no... that being said, i also feel bad for celebs when they are being hounded by papp - they can't go into grocery stores, public restrooms, etc... but the reason they are famous IS because of the adoring fans that want to read every little detail about their lives...

mo

Posted by: mortii | November 30, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

and it so happens i DO actually have a life!

mo

Posted by: mortii | November 30, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Why can't you have privacy if you are a celebrity? Tiger is fair game on the golf course, or on the set (TV Spots), but give him a break. Everyone deserves their own private moments. "It's a private matter... case closed."

Posted by: 189AROD | November 30, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Huh - I thought 'troop' was pretty good (it is used for primates such as baboons, is it not?) and so was 'scourge' (like mosquitos and other pests), but I'll play for a minute...

A leer of paparazzi?
A lens of paparazzi?
A zoom?
An invasion?
A trespass?
A wake or venue?

For the record, if there were more than one of me, it would probably be called a Disaster. Or at least a Mess.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 30, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

mo!! (Again with the hugging.) The only celeb gossip I'm interested in are the doings of the cast of that great old Deutsche flick, "Frauleins in Bondage Behind Bars" or whatever it was called. Great movie.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

No, no, bc. A bunch of you might be a "boson of bc's." Or maybe a torque of bc's. Maybe a carburator of bc's. A Higgs of bc's? But neither a mess nor a disatser.

I like peer of paparazzi. How about "a violation of paparazzi"?

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

A plague of paparazzi...

More than one of me would require a rift in the space/time continuum, no?

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Check with these folks for that Fraulein flick, Mudge. I know they have a whole section of the store devoted to "Chicks in Chains."

http://www.videovault.com/catalog/catalog.html

Posted by: kguy1 | November 30, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Or even a plaque of paparazzi, really...

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

A colonoscopy of paparazzi?

Posted by: -ftb- | November 30, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I am *so* tired of this story. I do *heart* you, Mudge, for your rant.

Posted by: -ftb- | November 30, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

What bothers me MOST about these articles on his accident?

Everyone agree's that his wife went at him with a golf club.

NOWHERE do I see people giving Tiger credit for keeping his temper and NOT abusing his wife.

you can find fault with ALOT that MAY have happened that night, but you can not find fault with the man for not taking the golf club from his wife or hurting her in trying to defend himself.

I have heard the local radios saying Tiger got the crap beat out of him by his wife, and they made fun. me, I think a man that works out regularly and who is physically much stronger then his wife showed a great deal of restraint to the point that he has been embarresed world wide. And nobody is giving him credit for it.

So much for fair play by both fans and the media.

Who should be held accountable here? me, I think the fans and media that do not credit this man for that restraint and good judgment. NO MATTER WHAT ELSE OCCURED THAT NIGHT.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | November 30, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I had a life once. They're over-rated. Living vicariously through over-paid and under-disciplined celebrities is much easier and more fun.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I know *zackly* where to find that flick if I need to, kguy. But thanks anyway.

I want to endorse 189AROD: who says that just because you become a celebrity you give up your rpivacy? That isn't "a rule" anyplace I'm aware. Yes, I quite agree that if a celeb becomes a mediaw0re and goes around generating rafts of publicity and self-exposure, and otherwise laps up the limelight, then sure, you give up just about every scintilla of privacy voluntarily. But whether you are just a journeyman actor, singer, athelete, etc., that is basically your 9-to-5 job, your means of livlihood, and if you otherwise make no special effort to occupy the spotlight, then no, you haven't given up anything. An actor/singer/athlete's public work (acting, singing, golfing, football, curling, Thinking You Can Dance, whatever) is subject to public review, sure. But what that person does after "work" is none of my business. And there are a sizable handful of celebs who very actively try to protect their privacy, and if that's what they want, more power to them.

Hell, I don't like it that Salinger and Pynchon are recluses almost of Howard Hughes proportions. But if that's what they want, I cannot gainsay them.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps a conflagration of paparazzi?

Posted by: ebtnut | November 30, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

It is no business of anyone's but his and the FHP. By the way, if it had been a lesser known individual, the FHP would have just written an accident report and been on their merry way. The FHP stands to gain a lot of publicity from this. Celebrity works both ways, i.e. it can help one's cause, or hurt it. In Tiger's case, I think it's hurting it. I hope he stands his ground. He owes no one an explanation. The FHP should just drop it.

Posted by: ChicagoJim | November 30, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"Die Strafe des Schweigens," mudge. It was a HUGE hit, remember?

Posted by: -TBG- | November 30, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

LiberalBasher, see my 10:22 a.m. post above. But yes, so far it's been just you and me.

(See? Us flaming libs and flaming conservs can find a small bit of common ground after all. Perhaps I can talk you into agreeing that Glenn Beck ought to be executed by a firing squad of his peers? Or am I pushing my luck? Well, give me props for trying.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I remember, TBG. *mopping brow, sniffing smelling salts, pondering a cold shower*

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that "restraint and good judgement" would have been to stay faithful to the mother of his children, if indeed that is the cause of all this brouhaha.

Posted by: kguy1 | November 30, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Well now Tiger has pulled out of his own tournament citing car injuries .........yet!!! both he and the hospital said these were not serious. Judging by the photos of the caddie he did not hit that tree doing any 5MPH but then with a wife and gold club embedded in the frame Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I guess it takes awhile for 9-iron injuries to heal or at least for the swelling to go down.

Can you just smell the alimony? And if the gal releases the photos, and she will, then there goes the endorsements and Tiger finds that with no jet, yacht and no one to pay the free bills he is looking at 'tin cup' as his future.
And why would you hire a lawyer who specializes in murderers and child molesters? That sure makes me feel good.

Posted by: KBlit | November 30, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Were there nuns playing soccer?

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I got a kick out of Sally Jenkins' column:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/30/AR2009113002283.html?hpid=news-col-blog
Yes, it's snarky and maybe a bit mean. But Tiger has really handled this horribly, from a PR standpoint, although I'm sure we'll be on to the next outrageous thing soon enough.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/30/AR2009113000408.html?hpid=topnews
You know, if Tiger decides to retire from golf and be a recluse, it wouldn't bother me a bit. He's been working at golf all his life, maybe it's time to get off the merry-go-round, to mix my metaphors. But I think he's trying to have it both ways, and that doesn't work so well.

Posted by: seasea1 | November 30, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

mo - I think you win the prize for most coherent post in the fewest words. Huzzahs.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 30, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

This Joel Achenbach should be working for TMZ, not being associated with anything concerning News. He just regurgitated all the crap we've been hearing all weekend. And justified it by blaming Tiger. Not very creative and defiantly shows a lack of talent. But, isn't that the definition of a blogger?

Posted by: MrT55 | November 30, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Well, MrT55 showing it defiantly is better than showing it with deference.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 30, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I am just upset that Tiger's whole image is a lie and a sham. Why was he driving an Escalade and not a Buick Enclave?

I will never be able to trust a celebrity endorsement again.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I disagree, seasea -- Tiger's retreat to his bunker is fine in this case. Any statement that includes information other than what the public THINKS happened would be counterproductive. PR is the least of Tiger's concerns.

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse


It's not an "errant" drive, it is an arrogant drive. He is behaving just as he does on the golf course when things don't go his way. He is a whiner.


Posted by: mortified469 | November 30, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

And Wilbon agrees with you, 'Mudge... Sorta:

http://views.washingtonpost.com/world-wide-wilbon/wilbon/2009/11/todays_hot_topic_tiger.html

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

yello, think the Buick sponsorship was dropped when the car companies got into trouble.

Posted by: dmd3 | November 30, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon makes a distinction between "domestic" issues and those that aren't This seems to be a bit too arbitrary to me. The real issue, in my mind, is to what extent should the lives of public figures be covered by reputable news organizations.

And please, don't anyone suggest that such things shouldn't be covered at all because they aren't "important." The news is full of things that, technically, aren't important to the vast majority of us, and yet are still of interest. It is an issue of degree. Where does legitimate reporting end and improper intrusiveness begin?

And I assert that there isn't always a clear-cut division.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 30, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

LiberalBasher, see my 10:22 a.m. post above. But yes, so far it's been just you and me.

(See? Us flaming libs and flaming conservs can find a small bit of common ground after all. Perhaps I can talk you into agreeing that Glenn Beck ought to be executed by a firing squad of his peers? Or am I pushing my luck? Well, give me props for trying.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

---

lol, nope. I don't listen to Glenn Beck , Rush, or Faux news. Rush and Glenn are bigots or racists.. What ever you want to call them. I hate racists/bigots, no matter what political party.

So go for it, fireing squad at will. Shoot, I'll pay for the bullets.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | November 30, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

mudge mudge mudge - that movie WAS a classic was it not? LOL

mo

Posted by: mortii | November 30, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Sorry CqP,
I hereby recall my tetrazzini of paparazzi in favour of:

A cloaca of paparazzi.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 30, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"Gentlemen and gentlewomen of the press, some crap happened which I'm not going to talk to you about. Crap that you wouldn't talk about either. I am sorry if your pretense to being anthropologists from Mars, and not ordinary people to whom crap happens also, is becoming ridiculous to the point of making you all look like fools. You have brought it on yourselves. Goodnight."

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 30, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

LiberalBasher, you're okay in my book. Lemme buy you a beer some time.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 30, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Me, too, Mudge. The way I read the name LiberalBasher is that this person is a Liberal and a Basher. Now, if I'm not correct, I shall retreat to my own bunker (which I hope has some nice food in it, along with other staples). Nevertheless, LB, I really enjoyed your comment "Shoot, I'll pay for the bullets." Kinda puts the cart before the horse, tho. Kinda reminds me of the shoot-first-ask-questions-later principle of the last administration.

I find it somewhat curious that certain posters make such gigantic assumptions of what might have happened. None of us knows, and yet, many are absolutely certain. I certainly appreciate the dubious rewards of having an active fantasy life, but really, people -- we just don't know nuttin'. . . . at all!

And as for Tiger Woods having to hold a tin cup ---- *snort* ---- he's richer than God and whatever cup he may be holding is gonna be a lot more like gold than like tin.

RDP, you sound a lot better. Hope the rest of the family has crossed that bridge. Go forth and disinfect your house, sir! And then invite us over. . . .

Posted by: -ftb- | November 30, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

A peep of paparazzi?

Posted by: rashomon | November 30, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Actually, for going in through a windshield, I think I'd go for one of the long irons. A two or a three. Any thing with too much loft, or with a big head like a driver, is too likely to get stuck in those clumped-together shards of safety glass when you pull it back for another swing.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 30, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I think Tiger has said this is personal in more ways than one, but some of you still don't understand "personal",and feel its unrealistic, whats unrealistic about keeping you business to yourself.
Maybe if other celeb's would do this sometime we could put some of the TABLOIDs out of business like "TMZ" reporting lies that the Highway Patrol is pursuing a warrant in Tiger case, ESPN reporter in Fl reported to Espn that the Agency has made no such statement. The Tabloid need stop destroying people lives with Tabloid lies.

Posted by: gallagher591 | November 30, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

If this is domestic abuse, maybe Tiger's the abusee, not the abuser? Possible that he was whacked in the head w/ one of his clubs (or any other hard object), tried to drive off and couldn't due to a pre-existing head injury. Maybe he's got a bruise that's a dead giveaway for what actually went down. I'm just sayin', don't go assuming he's the bad guy in this.

Posted by: carusocm | November 30, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Thanks ftb - I am pretty much recovered. Alas the rest of the family is still very much under the weather. Even my son has had a mild relapse. But do not fear, all are on the road to health, bumpy as that road may be.

And since when did Gatorade come in so many flavors and types?

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 30, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

No matter that imprint of the 9 iron will be there for a long time. Wonder if she used a full follow through or just short stroked it?

Man they just do not make SUV's like they used too!

Every, and I do mean every, woman in America will be watching to see what the prenup was because they will follow suit. Gee Tiger thanks.
oh and be sure to drop by the Free Clinic you know just to check out that bad cold!

You smuck!

Posted by: KBlit | November 30, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow, KB, you certainly have an active imagination. You seem to be the kind of person who doesn't let facts get in the way of your fantasies. That Tiger Woods would be the target of your enmity is simply astonishing, as *nobody knows the facts except the two involved and they ain't talking* AND it would appear that whatever happened had nothing to do with you. Hmmm, maybe that's the problem here.

Again, Tiger can buy this country over and over again, just like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett. Free clinic my a$$. Say, your knee-jerk condemnation *can't* have anything to do with the fact that, like our president, Tiger is a confluence of different racial identities, can it?

And, um, the word is "$chmuck" not smuck, unless you're into buying jam at a discount. . . . (ggod one, eh, Mudge?).

*sigh*

Posted by: -ftb- | November 30, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

personally, i don't think tiger cheated on his wife... he seems like too much of a nice guy!

now the ppl that i'm STILL angry about are the salahi's...

mo

Posted by: mortii | November 30, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

SCC: good (although ggod isn't too far off the mark)

Posted by: -ftb- | November 30, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Hmmph. Home from the holidays greeted by rain and front page alert too. Oh cruel fate.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 30, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Methinks Mudge doth protest too much and needeth a life.

Ditto for Mr. A. Readers like to engage him on matters of news and state, but if he were to run his chariot into the sound we would not consider it worthy of such fuss, assuming his laptop was not seriously injured. Celebrity ot no, it is much ado about nothing.

Posted by: MsJS | November 30, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like somebody teed off on Tiger's lying lips. Then he makes a run for it, doesn't get far. Mama said there'd be days like this..

Posted by: dudh | November 30, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Joel,

I want some insider information on this item in the Weingarten Chat poll:

At a Thanksgiving party at my house this year, the Achenbachs and the Burgers and I went to a park and played football. For some reason, we also competed in teams to see how far we could throw and catch a raw egg without it breaking. We brought a tape measure. What was the distance of the winning toss?
5 feet
12 feet
22 feet
41 feet
57 feet
213 feet

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Here is a list of things Tiger might say when he tells all: "Mistakes were made.""She's only 13, but she's all woman.""Be sure you are right, then go ahead.""I heard it through the grapevine.""I shoulda stood in bed.""Mao ju-hsi: wan tsui.""Who's on first?""Good night and good luck."

Posted by: axolotl | November 30, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow, the President - as Commander-in-Chief - will describe and explain revised military and other plans for Afghanistan (live from West Point).

A prediction:

President Obama will be criticized by many on the right and the GOP, and he will be criticized by many on the left.

I suspect that a lot of critique has already been written, and will hit the Web over the course of the day, well before 8 PM EST.

Oy.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 30, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

If it happened on private property and there was no public property damage, there is nothing the Florida Highway Patrol should be doing except leaving him and his family alone.

Posted by: Extempraneous | November 30, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

SPOILER WARNING:

This video reveals the answer to Gene's Poetry Poll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unD2bzhDkLk

Go ahead and stuff the ballot if you want.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Once again, many of our drive-by or new posters appear (a) to have an agenda, (b) not to read very closely, and (c) to FAIL to recognize the concept of a HUMOR BLOG. Admit it, the Kit is pretty funny. Also exaggerated. For effect. That's the humor part.

Sorry for the shouting.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 30, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Ivansmom -- you said it, sister!

But when have you ever known the drive-by/new posters (except for a few) to have a sense of humor? Isn't that, um, you know ...

*illegal*???

And, so, on a dark and rainy and gloomy and not terribly productive Monday, I bid the Boodle adieu, as I shall now search the freezer for some Lean Cuisine, chased by some Mandarins (*oranges* you silly people!!!).

On the morrow perhaps. . . .

Posted by: -ftb- | November 30, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom: We get it. We're new, not stupid.

Extempraneous: He hit a fire hydrant, which is public property. Sorry.

The only proper way to serve turkey tetrazzini is to throw it away.

Think the Redskins might wanna hire Charlie Weis?

Posted by: MsJS | November 30, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

WTF happened?

Posted by: affirmativeactionpresident | November 30, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Mudge the Maxwell Perkins book greeted me when I arrived home. This looks right up my alley. Thanks again!

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 30, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Ftb, exeunt chased by a Mandarin.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 30, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Hi, Ms JS. Yes, most TTetra should be thrown away. However, I find that a good cream sauce makes palatable the drying turkey slices I race to eat before the USDA sends the hazmat team to pick them up.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 30, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Sure would be nice if Tiger can maintain his privacy and tell the yahoos who can't get enough of the speculation to shove it. Enough is enough folks...mind your own business for a change.

Posted by: boomer131 | November 30, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, ftb, this might be the rightest reference:

Exit, pursued by a bear.
--William Shakespeare, Stage direction in "The Winter's Tale"

I would like to read this as a group, in front of the fire between Xmas and NYDay. Any takers?

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 30, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

*biting my tongue*

*I may need a new tongue when this Tigerstorm is over*

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | November 30, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, anything good on TV tonight? Any sports?

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | November 30, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Heck, at least we can make this a learning moment:

http://www.slate.com/id/2236963/

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 30, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

bc - I think you are right. There is really no good answer in Afghanistan, just the least bad. Sort of like what happens when you find yourself holding a bucket of water on the ceiling with a broomstick.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 30, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

No,no, MsJS. If you get it, I wasn't talking to you. I'm glad you're here.

Also, frankly, I don't think most of the persons about whom I wrote are stupid. I certainly didn't say that. What I said is that they're not reading closely, possibly in service of their own agenda, and appear to have missed the humorous intent in the Kit. You can be smart and still do all those things.

CqP, I thought the very same thing about "pursued by Mandarins". Exit, pursued by a bear, is one of my favorite moments in Shakespeare and lord knows I've seen a few. Ivansdad and the Boy were both in Winter's Tale about six years ago - yet another role in which the Boy died. He's made something of a specialty of it. Sure, I'm up for a fireside reading. Mulled cider? Mulled wine? Mulled mull?

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 30, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

By the way, MsJS, I agree about the Much Ado about Nothing comment (see general agreement with Mudge's rant, above) and appreciate yet another Shakespeare reference. Ivansdad's done that one a couple of times; I think he directed it once.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 30, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, isn't mulled moll a crime of sorts. I would think that she would not survive the
mulling or
milling, for that matter.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 30, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Padouk. I *reeeeelllly* don't like the phrase "go ghetto" on the windshield in that piece. Reeeeeelllly don't like it at all, not even in the context of a tongue-in-cheek thing.

I think I'd accept "go postal," and a host of other phrases, but not that one. I don't think "go ghetto" belongs in the general lexicon as a commonly acceptable phrase.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | November 30, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Shall we mull over Moll, mulled in a mill?

RD, thanks for that "Learning Moment" link. I hope never to need to know what to do at an accident scene, but now I have a better idea.

However, RD, I don't know whether to thank you for "holding a bucket of water on the ceiling with a broomstick". That's a vivid and remarkably puzzling mental image.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 30, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Why yes, 'Mudge, I believe there will be multiple sightings of airbore oblate spheroids in scant minutes...

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Mudge... did you click on the "go ghetto" link?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/tigerwoods/6683141/Tiger-Woods-told-friend-his-wife-had-gone-ghetto-on-him.html

Posted by: -TBG- | November 30, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Moll have a mole? Or am I just flandering around with that recollection? Or is it just makeup she bought at the mall the time she went with Mel? E-mail me the answer.

*Oh yeah, I could put it all together, but let's let you guys have some fun*

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | November 30, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Martin Mull mulled a moll in a millner's??

What???

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I think 'alarums and excursions' may be my favourite stage direction.

Posted by: Yoki | November 30, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

We can have turkey in Mole sauce tomorrow....can I get an accent mark?

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 30, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

No, I didn't, TBG. But thanks. And yes, it changes the context entirely. But it also requires that the writer of that piece do a better job of explaining where the phrase came from. One is required to explain or attribute that kind of thing when its source can be misunderstood (exactly as I did). In no way would I agree that a live link is adequate, witness the gazillion senseless live links we encounter all the time all over the place. I wouldn't have been surprised if that link led to a Wikipedia entry on the Warsaw ghetto. I don't think clairvoyance should be expected of a casual reader.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | November 30, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

The bucket and the broomstick bit is *supposedly* a summer-camp trick, where one coaxes a gullible young camper into seeing if he or she can make a bucket of water "stick." Once the configuration is established, of course, the pranksters run off giggling and leave the victim in a no-win situation.

Or, in this case, retire to Texas.


Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 30, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

RD, I really liked the bucket/broomstick image.

Thanks for that.

Looking forward to the MNOblatespheroid game a little later this evening.

I'd add that not all fire hydrants are public property. There are some private communities near me here where all of the roads, hydrant systems, sidewalks, etc. are owned and maintained under contract by management companies as private community properties.

In some cases, individual homeowners may even own and maintain such facilites. Not the county, not the state.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | November 30, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Shakespeare read aloud by a crackling fire, some Mozart perhaps softly in the background....

Count me in!

BTW, Ivansmom, I have just about 30 pages left in the first Larsson book. I was thinking of reading something else before I got into the second book, but no way! I want this to go on and on. So, right after this is done, I'm on to Flickan som lekte med elden (The Girl Who Played With Fire). A dang good read -- it's a shame that he died so young (and, yes, 50 is young).

Posted by: -ftb- | November 30, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Yello, I was not the one with the tape measure so I don't know the answer to the winning-egg-toss question, though I think I can guess it. I will tell you, however, that one one particular Achenbach child, by name of Isabella, found the contest to be rather...eggshilarating.

Posted by: joelache | November 30, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Moll and Mel had a mill with a millipede and made millions. Mull that over.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 30, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I was in a MacBeth performance once. I played Malcolm. There weren't any restaurant's nearby, and I had to walk a mile for a meal wearing mail.

Posted by: rashomon | November 30, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Was she eggsuberant? Eggsacktly!

Posted by: -ftb- | November 30, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Joel... Ha!

I was thinking there must be that one family member who sadly helped find out how far was too far.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 30, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Joel egged her on and bet the eggzacta on the contest.

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Now that's the proper way to spend Thanksgiving. Outside doing something fun with friends and family.

As to catching raw eggs, the trick is to keep your hands moving so as to minimize the shock to the egg. Found that out the hard way.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 30, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Dadgummit, bc beat me to telling MsJS that there are such things as private fire hydrants. I would not be surprised if the entire water and sewer system in that exclusive gated community is private and self-contained. It's not necessarily a good thing, either. But that's another story.

Posted by: slyness | November 30, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

A confused noise within.

I found the story interesting for about 5 seconds. I far prefer celebrities who relly (Yoki, how do you type that in Canadian?) jump the shark. Britney Spears was a prime example--unpredictable and lots of staying power.

Posted by: -dbG- | November 30, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

ALERT!!! "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" is on ABC!!!

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Took me far too many years to realize the Grinch was really a Chuck Jones Warner Bros. cartoon in disguise... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of The Grinch, I just recently learned that the singer, Thurl Ravenscroft, was also the voice of Tony the Tiger.

Suddenly so many things make sense.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 30, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Come on, WAPO, you are better than this. Tiger Woods backs his car over a fire hydrant and all of a sudden, once legitamate news services are quoting the National Enquirer and gossiping in hushed whispers and giggling. Are you kidding me? Woods is above all this and will remain so...he's the world's top golfer and has thus far remained one of progessional sports most suitable role models.

Woods will be alright, but I'm really concerned about our news services ... who are just digging a deeper grave for themselves, by giving so much coverage to this, while two wars are raging.

Posted by: free-donny | November 30, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Come on, WAPO, you are better than this. Tiger Woods backs his car over a fire hydrant and all of a sudden, once legitamate news services are quoting the National Enquirer and gossiping in hushed whispers and giggling. Are you kidding me? Woods is above all this and will remain so...he's the world's top golfer and has thus far remained one of progessional sports most suitable role models.

Woods will be alright, but I'm really concerned about our news services ... who are just digging a deeper grave for themselves, by giving so much coverage to this, while two wars are raging.

Posted by: free-donny | November 30, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Feinstein agrees with me on Tiger:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/30/AR2009113003170.html?nav=hcmodule

But have you read the Sally Jenkins column? Wow! Methinks she doesn't like Tiger a whole bunch.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/30/AR2009113002283.html?sid=ST2009113003575

Posted by: joelache | November 30, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

No, Joel, the dude can't staunch the bleeding. He'll have to stanch it if he can. Hey, can I be your copy editor? I work cheap and I'm worth every penny.

Posted by: weanderson | November 30, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

* *

... bliss...

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 30, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Why can't we leave this alone?

We've all just got to 'get the skinny', 'dig up the dirty details', 'get the dope on 'em', "they must be up to something juicy", etc., etc., ad nausea...

Who wants the perverted, money-for-nothing media probing one's life for some worthless gossip they sell to the mass of ambulance chasers out there who love nothing more than to drag everyone through the putrid muck of their own wretched little minds?

So what if the guy dented up his car? So what if it's a "personal matter"? What business is it of anyone's other than Tiger and his wife?

He doesn't owe anyone anything -- all this crap about 'when one becomes famous one gives up his/her right to privacy' is nothing more than media-contrived garbage.

If a bevy of nosey, sad loser jerks and trash media want to dig up dirt on people then they should pick on the criminals, gangs, politicians, Talk-show zombies, catholic priest pedophiles, and their ilk, and leave the innocent alone.

The guy's a sportsman for chrissake -- not a felon.

.

Posted by: Burke9 | November 30, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why all the GOP white columnist keep on attacking Tiger,is it because he is black? is it because he should not excel in golf as a blackman? is it because he can not make any mistakes as a blackman? I don't see any of these GOP guys comment against their own kind, all these guys are hypocrates and cowards,period.

Posted by: johnycheng1 | November 30, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

What is it with some of you people? You think its fun to watch the misfortune of Tiger Woods? This is your idea of a good time?
According to Florida law, Tiger is only obligated to show his drivers license and proof of registration to these so called "offended" officers. If the cops down there don’t already have that information they’re pretty inefficient. Looks as though the state is looking to make a mountain out of a molehill! Or maybe, it’s just some of you speculating, while you’re waiting for something really “fascinating” to have an opinion about. Either way, Tigers’ only responsibility is to his wife, and family. Every one else should really back off, instead of trying to exploit the situation. At his worst Tiger has more class than any of the muckrakers who are just looking for a byline. When there’s so damn much more going on in the world, is this what really floats your boat? "Poor Form"!

Posted by: shadowace99 | November 30, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

This, from the article:
"But you can't have it both ways in life. You can't be a celebrity who rakes in tens of millions of dollars by endorsing products and popping up on our TV screen every day, and at the same time demand privacy when you wreck a car in a weird and conspicuous manner and then refuse to meet with the authorities who want to question you about an accident."

When practically your entire fortune of HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS has been made by being a public figure in both sport and the advertising world, where does one come off with the balls to all of a sudden "DEMAND" privacy.

Posted by: imiga | November 30, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Mark Bradley - http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2009/11/30/heres-what-tiger-woods-needs-to-tell-us-absolutely-nothing/ got it right. The man likely has a very good reason for saying nothing and should bloody well do so.

Posted by: fr3dmars | December 1, 2009 1:49 AM | Report abuse

I always thought Woods was a great golfer, but so what? I'm pretty athletic, was an excellent amateur baseball player and reasonable soccer player (and golfer, too, considering how little I practiced), and thought I might be an excellent golfer if that was all that I ever did. So I would make a terrific shot, 2 feet from the cup and feel great, 1 time in 20, where I used to think Greg Norman would do it 18/20, and then along comes Woods and does it 19/20 and wins all the tournaments. Sure, he makes perfect shots. But so do all the rest of them, just not quite so regularly -- which points to his having a body and brain that's nearly 100% golfer, seemingly little anything else, although that may just be a result of his desire for privacy. (Back when I was in a regular weekly threesome, golfing ability wasn't at the top of the list of qualities I appreciated in my partners.) Some of the pros at least seem to have a pleasant personality even when they make a mistake rather than wrapping the club around a tree, not simply smiling and saying all the nice stuff they rehearsed when accepting the trophy. So it's great to watch Woods play, if playing near-perfect golf is important, along with advertising expensive cars.

LTL-CA

Posted by: Jim19 | December 1, 2009 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Tiger Woods, Thierry Henry, and Roger Federer…..perhaps it’s the curse of Gillete….

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/advertising/henry-woods-federer-the-curse-of-gillette-1830663.html

Posted by: rainforest1 | December 1, 2009 3:36 AM | Report abuse

"...here's an excerpt of the Mudge rant, which I'm assuming may go on all day, like the rain from a coastal low..."

I'm still giggling, what a great line, Joel!

Morning, all. I hope this coast low blows over today. I'm ready to go on to something bigger and better. Obama's speech on Afghanistan, maybe?

It's below freezing this morning, about time that happened around here. Rain yesterday and forecast again for tomorrow, so we will enjoy sunshine while we can.

Good morning, Cassandra! I hope you are warm and comfortable.

Posted by: slyness | December 1, 2009 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Buenos dias, Boodleros!

I feel better speaking Spanish today and pretend I don't understand Obama's English.
If he spoke French, he might have understood that Napoleon got his butt whipped.

As far as Afghans go, tonight's speach will be the same as if Obama delivered it in German while speaking Japanese with Portuguese body movements and a Laotian interpreter.

Brag

Posted by: Braguine | December 1, 2009 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Good morning Slyness and Al.

I know it is the Christmas shopping season, where everything that is incredibly tacky somehow makes sense, but this is going just too far. They now have a Chia Obama.

I feel lessened by this knowledge.

Posted by: --dr-- | December 1, 2009 7:26 AM | Report abuse

I had skipped over the Salvation Army Major's name until I was blindsided by it in the second paragraph...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/30/AR2009113004677.html?sec-nation

Posted by: -TBG- | December 1, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

That is a nice story TBG,and great name!

Posted by: dmd3 | December 1, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Must not...

click...

on de Moraes' blog...

"'We are greatly saddened' to be portrayed as 'party crashers,' Tareq Salahi tells 'Today' show."

*making-world's-tiniest-violin-motions Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | December 1, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. It can't be December yet. Where the %*%#@! this year's gone?

We have snow on the ground, it's got to be winter.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | December 1, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Why Obama is so Bushy?

My explanation is here:

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/09nov/news010.html

Brag

Posted by: Braguine | December 1, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

I know everyone has desperately been waiting to find out, yes my area went snow free in November first time since 1937 possible, first time in 162 years. Waiting official word, but no snow at my house.

Even better it was warmer, sunnier and drier than normal - but I see this did not extend up to the capital. Also note the Torch is approaching the area you grew up Shriek, currently in Baie-Comeau - runners running as the sun rises.

Hope everyone has a great day.

Posted by: dmd3 | December 1, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

TBG: Ha! Now we know where our blue-bottomed friend is on the weekends... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | December 1, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Scottynuke, the Salahis deserve a chia Obama.

Posted by: --dr-- | December 1, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Dear Aunt Lurlene. She was always the white sheep of the family.

Me, ringing a bell for the Salvation Army? I don't think so...

'Morning, Boodle.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | December 1, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Joel, please do me a personal favor and pass on the following to the WaPo online copydesk (assuming, somewhat foolishly, that there even is such a thing anymore). This is the second day in a row they've embarrassed themselves.

Semina1: "germinal: containing seeds of later development; 'semina1 ideas of one discipline can influence the growth of another' (wordnetweb dot princeton dot edu/perl/webwn)

"Highly influential, especially in some original way, and providing a basis for future development or research.
'The Structure of Scientific Revolutions' was a semina1 work in the modern philosophy of science." (creative: innovative, primary
(highly influential): innovative, formative" -- all from http[colon]//en dot wiktionary dot org/wiki/seminal

"2. Of, relating to, or having the power to originate; creative.
3. Highly influential in an original way; constituting or providing a basis for further development: a semina1 idea in the creation of a new theory." "1. potentially capable of development
2. highly original, influential and important"
"adjective influential, important, ground-breaking, original, creative, productive, innovative, imaginative, formative Those beautiful tracks appear on this semina1 album." (Collins Thesaurus of the English Language)

"3. having possibilities of future development.
4. highly original and influencing the development of future events: a semina1 artist; semina1 ideas." from http [colon] //dictionary dot reference dot com/browse/seminal

"like seed in being a source or a first stage in development; germinal; originative a semina1 book
being the first or earliest of something that is later recognized as having been of primary influence a semina1 jazz band
of essential importance; specif.,
basic; central; principal
crucial; critical; pivotal" from http [colon] //www dot yourdictionary dot com/semina1

"Contained in seed; holding the relation of seed, source, or first principle; holding the first place in a series of developed results or consequents; germinal; radical; primary; original; as, semina1 principles of generation; seminal virtue. 'The idea of God is, beyond all question or comparison, the one great semina1 principle. Hare.' from http://everything2.com/user/Webster+1913/writeups/seminal

"1. formal: a semina1 piece of writing or music is new and different and influences other literature or music that comes after it." from http [colon] //www dot macmillandictionary dot com/dictionary/british/semina1

and etc. When lit'ry types talk about the "ur-text," they are talking about the semina1 work of that particular category. "Origin of Species" is certainly the semina1 work in the field of evolution.

Not one of those definitions means "best" or "best of."

Sorry to be pedantic about this, but it is apparent that nobody over there knows what the he11 they are doing. Or doesn't care.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | December 1, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

'Mudge, perhaps they're intentionally using $emina1 in a cynical ploy to drive up page views from spelling-poor Web surfers... *SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | December 1, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I dunno, Scotty. Maybe you're right. I sure can't figure it out. I just can't believe people like Bill Walsh and Pat the Perfect (and Weingarten) aren't going ballistic. But maybe they never look at the WaPo home page, I guess.

Interesting that the WaPo wirty dird filter doesn't like "semina1." (I'm using the number one in place of the ell.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | December 1, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Sorry about your Pats, BTW. Up until this year, I routinely picked them in every match-up. And it's not Brady's fault; the D is letting them down. I still think he's the #1 QB out there. (Though Brees is sure making it look easy, isn't he? Jeez.).

I'm not sure at this point that Nawlins isn't this year's Super Bowl pick. I think I see them going against the Vikes at this point.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | December 1, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

In the NFC Championship, 'Mudge? Sure.

I guess we could ask Weingarten what he thinks at noon or something...

Posted by: Scottynuke | December 1, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

'Semina1' won't go through but de Moraes can use 'wh0redom'? (But I can't.)

Posted by: yellojkt | December 1, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Good morning. It has finally hit freezing here, though the sun is warming things up quickly each day. Possible snow this week. We keep the house at about 65 degrees F, and have a lot of poorly insulated windows. I'm working at home this morning. It is surprising how quickly one can become chilled sitting still at 65 degrees.

Posted by: Ivansmom | December 1, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Borowitz on Tiger:

"ORLANDO (The Borowitz Report) - In a development that rocked the worlds of sports and politics, golf superstar Tiger Woods announced today that he was hanging up his clubs to become a politician.
"After two days of refusing to speak to the media about suspicious aspects of my personal life, I have proved to myself that I am qualified for a career in politics," Mr. Woods told reporters in Orlando.
His stunning decision immediately drew praise from such disparate politicians as Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina and Sen. John Ensign of Nevada, who called a press conference to welcome Mr. Woods to the Republican Party.
"Tiger Woods has not yet revealed what his party affiliation will be, but based on what I've seen, he has what it takes to be a Republican," Sen. Ensign said."

Posted by: Ivansmom | December 1, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

My house is full of zombies this morning. Creatures that look like my legal dependents but who stagger about and moan a lot. Sort of like a Frat House after a big party. But at least The Pestilence has passed. This will certainly be a Thanksgiving to remember. No matter how hard we try not to.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | December 1, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Someday, RD, you'll look back on this holiday and laugh.

Really.

Posted by: Ivansmom | December 1, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Well, I did use some of my down time to figure out how to add linkification to Google Chrome, so there's that.

And I am already sorta laughing about it. It's just that it really hurts my abdominals when I do..

Posted by: RD_Padouk | December 1, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Glad the pestilence has passed RD.

Shriek - noticed that in a while the torch will travel up along the Sageunay - can you get good views from the road in that area - really hoping to see the area as I have not travelled there. Nice sunny day currently so hopefully it holds for the rest of the day.

The feed (which I do believe is visible outside Canada - there have been commenters from the US).

http://www.ctvolympics.ca/torch/follow-torch/index.html

Posted by: dmd3 | December 1, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Just so no one is confused pictures are live as are facebook and twitter comments but live GPS map currently cannot get a signal so is not accurate, they are current across the St. Lawrence from where the map shows, todays route, (Yes I know I am compulsive!)

http://www.vancouver2010.com/more-2010-information/olympic-torch-relay/olympic-torch-relay-interactive-map/

Posted by: dmd3 | December 1, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, I sympathize. Our furnace didn't come on this morning as it's supposed to at 5:30 ayem. When I figured out that it wasn't working (63 degrees at the thermostat is a clue), Mr. T called the HVAC company. Then, of course, about half an hour ago it started to warm up. But I'm not cancelling the HVAC visit, I don't want this to happen again.

Yoki, good thoughts and prayers for your proposal to be successful.

I'm glad to see that the suspect in the Washington police murders has been found. Mixed feelings about his death: sorrow at another life lost, but relief that we won't have to endure a trial.

Posted by: slyness | December 1, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all. That was funny Ivansmom, except, perish the thought, Tiger as a Republican!!!

Well, now ,look what the media has done....I just read an aol news headline that sez Tiger has pulled out for the rest of the golf season, not just his injuries for his tournment.

Earlier, I looked for a youtube clip of a tv show I remembered when Tiger was two years old and he and his daddy were guests:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxPmzIKBris&feature=related

It was in the '70s, a Mike Douglas show. Seems to me he was also on Johnny Carson's show, but nothing available to me there.

Anyway, he is a damned good golfer....sincerely hope he makes a comeback in a couple of months.

Posted by: VintageLady | December 1, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

VL - I remember that clip! I used to watch Mike Douglas all the time as a kid.

That Bob Hope...

Posted by: RD_Padouk | December 1, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

RD,
Glad the undead are showing signs of life. Perhaps some year this will be fodder for the worst Thanksgiving Contest at Gawker:

http://gawker.com/5415363/thanksgiving-horror-stories-the-results-are-in

I had to scrape the windshield for the first time this year. Not a milestone I enjoy.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 1, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, I understand.

We keep our thermostat at a balmy 64 degrees. We also have very drafty windows.

I won't be truly warm again until April (or May).

Posted by: Moose13 | December 1, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Tiger is definitely not out of the woods, but he's skipped out of Sherwood [Forest] Country Club in Thousand Oaks, Calif.:

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_13898019

Excerpt:
Because Woods bailed out on attending his own charity golf event at Sherwood Country Club in Thousand Oaks, it matters to ticket holders who've paid to see him perform and were making an honest contribution to his foundation.

Poster of Tiger within Sherwod, and a mention of Woods' failure at PR101:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-tiger-woods1-2009dec01,0,2466208.story

Sherwood--not too shabby:

http://www.sherwoodcc.com/

Posted by: laloomis | December 1, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Another editing grrrr. Shales said (and I've seen in before in the pages of this august organ) "coronate." Crown, please.

Posted by: Yoki | December 1, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

What of the intertissued robe of gold and pearl, Yoki?

Posted by: Scottynuke | December 1, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Story about finding the alleged cop killer:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010393433_webarrest01m.html
a few miles from where I live. Yesterday the police had staked out an apartment right by the gas station I use, on the way to the grocery store. Glad they got him - seems like he had a lot of help on the run.

Posted by: seasea1 | December 1, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Scientific American offers rebuttals to climate change skeptics.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=seven-answers-to-climate-contrarian-nonsense

Posted by: yellojkt | December 1, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Coronate is only halfway wrong -- it's being used as a verb and not an adjective. An object tossed onto that sentence would fix it up, but changing it to crown might work too. Doesn't sound as fancy-schmancy as coronate though.

Maybe it matters that WaPo isn't Canadian? Or it could be that we don't have a whole lot of experience with all that coronation/crown stuff and just let the definition evolve differently here.

Posted by: LostInThought | December 1, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

/Crowns Yoki ornately for a queenly edit/

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | December 1, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I was pleased to note that the Slate "Explainer" column endorsed my suggestion for using a long iron to attack car windows!

Posted by: bobsewell | December 1, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

dmd - i understand your obsession with the torch... i was lucky enough to have seen in pass thru DC in person!!

mo

Posted by: mortii | December 1, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Alas, Merriam-webster disagrees with Yoki.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coronate

verb 1a: verb
1 a : to place a crown or wreath on the head of; specifically : to invest with regal dignity and power

Shale's sentence needs a lot of work, but not in the sense he used coronate.

"TV is ready to welcome, embrace and coronate you and make you a household face, and all you may have to do is show up."

Sorry, Yoki, maybe it's one of those Yank-Canuck things.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | December 1, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

(Goes off to crown somebody with broken beer bottles instead.)

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | December 1, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Mo, torch goes through my town in 18 days - I can't wait. I promise to at least attempt to restrain myself from Olympic overload in February - can't guarantee it though, I am a little nuts that way.

Mentioned to my husband the other day, do you realize we started dating a week before the last Olympic games were held in Canada (Calgary 88), and we will celebrate our 20th anniversary one week before the Vancouver Olympics. He just gave me a strange look :-)

Posted by: dmd3 | December 1, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

just playing with my new droid. Carry on.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 1, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Your new droid? Does it make bad jokes and puns?

I heard the other day Radio Shack got a whole shipment of those things in from China, but they were defective. Yes, Radio Shack was suffering from a bad case of humordroids.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | December 1, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Seminal does mean germinal, and is not a dirty word.

Posted by: Jumper1 | December 1, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

What is a droid?

Posted by: dmd3 | December 1, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The newest "thing" in cell phones is called the "Droid."

Really.

And its masterful marketing campaign has stealthy fighter jets launching pods that impact spectacularly and menacingly all over the countryside. Just what I want from my cell phone -- death from the skies. *shrug*

Posted by: Scottynuke | December 1, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I assumed it was short for android, i.e. a robot, like those little toy robot dogs and stuff they have now.

But my joke would actually work just as well for a talking cell phone that makes bad jokes and puns.

Or in New York and parts of northern New Jersey, it might be the past participle for "draw." Used in a sentence: "Yo, Vito, who droid dem pitchers ya looking at?"

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | December 1, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

i was thinkin android as well...

you know you can now build your own darth vader robot arm?
http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3568437

mo

Posted by: mortii | December 1, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that's a toy, mo. I think it may be a marital aid for R2D2.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | December 1, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Concise Oxford only has corontation (n).

Posted by: engelmann | December 1, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The Droid is a model of cellphone made by Motorola and sold by Verizon. It is a competitor to the iPhone.

My previous phone was a Palm Treo which had internet capability but since the Great Registration Name Fix I have been unable to post from it because the browser could not handle the log-in script (and the giant ad scripts tended to crash it)

My 12:37 was proof of concept that I could comment over the web using the phone. I will now nearly never be out of reach of the Boodle. Consider that either a promise or a threat.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 1, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I thought R2D2 was a marital aid.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 1, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps we need a Boodlial aid at this point...

Posted by: Scottynuke | December 1, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Marvin: I talked to the Boodle at great length and explained my view of the Universe to it
Ford: And what happened?
Marvin: It committed suicide

Posted by: DNA_Girl | December 1, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

DNAGirl,
HHGTTG FTW. You continue to amaze me.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 1, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

HHGTTG FTW?? Yello, your droid keyboard is jammed.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | December 1, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

*headdesk headdesk headdesk*

From today's Discussions:

"Ronald Kessler, chief Washington correspondent for Newsmax.com and author of In the President's Secret Service: Behind the Scenes with Agents in the Line of Fire and the Presidents They Protect, was online Tuesday, Dec. 1, at 11 a.m. ET to discuss the Secret Service breach by the Virginia couple, the protection and security of the chief executive and the effect of the incident on the federal law enforcement agency."


Newsmax. WaPo is actually turning to a NEWSMAX person for rational discussion of anything??? *SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | December 1, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

TANSTAAFL
-the droid

Posted by: yellojkt | December 1, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Sweet talker YJ,
see ya at that restaurant
at the other end...

Posted by: DNA_Girl | December 1, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Jen Chaney's review of "A Christmas Tale" at the Post's online front page is worth following up with Criterion Collection's clip:
http://www.criterion.com/films/474?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor&utm_content=217988672&utm_campaign=seasonal_disorder+_+kytro&utm_term=NotyouraverageChristmashomecomingstoryAChristmasTalepacksawallopasyoullseeinthiscalamitousclip

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | December 1, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

boy yello - that droid is bringing out the SERIOUS geek in u! but the big question is does it come with a towel?

mo

Posted by: mortii | December 1, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

My coworkers were very, uh, impressed that the very first app I downloaded for the droid was an HP-48 emulator. If there weren't one available for the droid, it would have been a deal breaker.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 1, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey, an on-Kit comment!

Citation and fine for Tiger. End of story.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/01/AR2009120100439.html

Posted by: Scottynuke | December 1, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Chris Rock comments on Tiger Woods:
http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/12/01/tiger-woods-car-crash/

(took a while to load, and the transcript is right on the page)

Posted by: Jumper1 | December 1, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

End of story? Un, no. Now there's a new chick who says she's been in the rough with Tiger since 2001 and has the e-mails and texts to prove it. No, this isn't going away any time soon.

Posted by: ebtnut | December 1, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

End of the car crash story, anyway, ebtnut...

Posted by: Scottynuke | December 1, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Chevron to issue refunds to Tiger ticket holders wanting to see him tee off in Thousand Oaks. Plane tickets nonrefundable:

http://www.examiner.com/x-8197-Boston-Golf-Examiner~y2009m12d1-Tiger-Woods-Chevron-World-Challenge-golf-tourney-offers-refunds

The latest buzz...Tiger's tragic tete-a-tete with a fire hydrant at two a.m. wasn't extramarital but extraterrestial:

http://www.examiner.com/x-8197-Boston-Golf-Examiner~y2009m11d30-This-just-in-Elin-Noredgren-gives-birth-to-Tiger-Woods-alien-baby


Posted by: laloomis | December 1, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Does Tiger swing in his spare time?

http://www.entertainmentandshowbiz.com/tiger-woods-girlfriend-joanna-rachel-uchitel-and-now-jaimee-grubbs-who-is-next-2009120224843

Posted by: laloomis | December 1, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Good evening, all.

Taking a breath from a good but busy day - now off to pick up the little one from chorus practice and run some errands before attending to pineapple chicken for dinner.

I'm not interested in Eldrick Woods' personal life, so I'm checking out now.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | December 1, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Are Tiger's girlfriends coming out of the woodworks...or is that Woodsworks? (Or are these dames part of the fame game?)

I'm reminded of certain Cab Calloway lyrics...

It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing,
doo-wab-di-wab doo-wab-di-wab doo-wab-di-wab doo-wab-di-wah

Maybe Claude King?

Where's that tiger where's that tiger where oh where can he be
Low or highbrow they all cry now where can that tiger be

Where's that tiger where's that tiger where's that tiger where's that tiger
Hold that tiger hold that tiger hold that tiger hold that tiger

Posted by: laloomis | December 1, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm with bc, channeling Mudge's earlier rants (see above in Kit for part I). Not interested in Woods's private life. I feel under no obligation to either pay attention or have an opinion on it.

Posted by: Ivansmom | December 1, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I might note that Weingarten was heartily with us on "Tiger doesn't owe anybody an explanation" thing, that it is being massively overplayed, and that 52.83 percent of those in his poll agreed with us.

I think I'd slit my throat before I ever worked for a media outlet that considered outing some celeb's extramarital girlfriend as a legit news story. In a fair number of the detective novels I've read, and in some TV shows and movies, somebody always accuses the (somewhat tattered white knight) private detective of being a sleazy peeper who does divorce work as being the lowest form of pond scum. But I think these tabloids here and in Britain that out these things are even lower. (Exposing politicans and clergy is a different matter.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | December 1, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Yoki!!!! Guess who picked up your schtick??

"Condiments: If you could only have ketchup or mustard to liven up your food which one would you pick?

washingtonpost.com: (snort)

Gene Weingarten: Mustard, in part because there are so many kinds."

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | December 1, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, I told you, didn't I?

Posted by: Yoki | December 1, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

And mustard can be used for potato salad and a zillion other recipes.

Ketchup? Cocktail sauce and meatloaf.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | December 1, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I routinely have 5 kinds of commercial mustard in my fridge, plus three mixes of my own made with dried English mustard powder. When #1 and #2 were at home and set the table for a hamburger or corned-beef sandwich meal, and I'd ask them, "is everything on the table?" they would reply: "mustard, pickles, mustard mustard mustard, tomatoes, ketchup, mustard mustard. Yup."

Posted by: Yoki | December 1, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Jeez. From the "44" column:

"Cheney, Rove take lead in prebutting Obama Afghanistan speech

By Garance Franke-Ruta

"As President Obama prepared to address the nation about his Afghanistan policy, former vice president Richard Cheney and former White House strategist Karl Rove led the Republican charge to shape perceptions of it in separate media appearances that were published and aired Tuesday morning."

Prebutting? That's a word? Of course anything about Cheney and Rove that also has a major reference to "butts" in it probaly isn't all bad.

I can't think of any two GOP spokesman who could possibly be more compromised than these two prebuttal sphincters. And I can hardly wait for their postbuttals.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | December 1, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Pardon me, Yoki, but do you have any Grey Poupon?

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | December 1, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmannAYiwh0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xomArI4aJ0&feature=related

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | December 1, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Maille for me, 'mudge.

Posted by: Yoki | December 1, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Achooo! I'm feeling lonely!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20091201/sc_livescience/lonelinessspreadslikeavirus

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | December 1, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that part of the reason that domestic violence is underreported is the idea that everyone will know, and that it's hard enough to deal with the situation at hand without all the qustions and handwringing from loved ones about how this happened, how long this has been going on, how you could changed the outcome and just the general embarrassment along the lines of "I never thought it would happen to me." No matter how you slice it, someone's coming out looking weak (despite the fact that dealing with such an ugly thing should signify strength.)

Loved ones ask all these questions because they care, they are upset, and sometimes they wonder if somehow or another they were complicit. I don't think it's particularly helpful for those who aren't loved ones to chime in. I also think speculation along the lines of someone did something to deserve such a thing is a very bad message to send to those who are thinking about dealing with their own domestic violence issues.


Posted by: LostInThought | December 1, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I remember reading an article about a guy who rebuilt and reconditioned Rolls' for sale. When he took them out for a test drive he always kept Grey Poupon in the car for the inevitable encounters with smartass teenagers at traffic lights.

Wilbrod, ketchup is also good on burgers, fries, and as an ingredient in my approximation of the secret sauce that Jerry's Subs used to have on their roast beef subs. I think that's pretty much it. It's a good thing that a bottle of ketchup will last just about forever in the refrigerator.

Yello, that very informative link to the Scientific American global warming article is now bookmarked. Thanks. Unfortunately, by sending me off to the SA website I've now watched videos about the Antikythera mechanism, dark energy (and I'm not sure I want to be a resident of a deformed universe), neanderthals, Enceladus, and Moore's law. I've also read articles about Ardi, stellar lithium, and bedbugs. (I am such a geek.) What I haven't done much of is work on a project on a very tight deadline. Thanks a lot.

Posted by: rashomon | December 1, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I like Maille, too, Yoki. When I lived in Sweden, I would buy the powdered mustard (I almost typed "power mustard") and mixed it up. Now *that* was hot! Great to take if one is congested. It'll blow your head off! *really, really good*. And for those who "know" I picked the powdered mustard, well, you know, *just because*. I even have a poster of an ad for it that I got (I think) simply ages ago (multiple decades) at the Victoria & Albert Museum in London. I still have it around somewhere.

And, no ... no relation. Now *button it*!

I saw Rove this morning on Today, and promptly hit the mute button. It's such a crock to have these guys on.

I think I need to take another shower, just in the mention of those two idiots.

Posted by: -ftb- | December 1, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

rashomon,
Welcome to my undiagnosed AADD-addled world.

Posted by: yellojkt | December 1, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I used to eat lunch with a friend at a Chinese restaurant, and we got into the habit of ordering barbecue pork with hot mustard. We thought the mustard was great, and finally asked what kind it was, expecting it to be something exotic. It was dry mustard they bought at the Safeway next door.

Posted by: seasea1 | December 1, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

New Kit!

Posted by: -ftb- | December 1, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

God, what a pointless site. Tons of white noise about Me and Us, occasional comments about real life. Joel, start over.

Posted by: dudh | December 1, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

There's a story about the Antitkythera mechanism on the SA website? I'm in trouble now...the Geekdottir is fascinated by it and named her (self-built) desktop for it. Will have to check it out...

Posted by: slyness | December 1, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

slyness

http://www.scientificamerican.com/video.cfm?lineup=1406165298&id=52209781001

There are two parts.

Posted by: rashomon | December 1, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Dudh, go pound sand.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | December 1, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

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