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NASA chief on new space strategy

[i've been working on a story on NASA's new strategy. The piece should run ASAP. At the request of NASA media folks I typed up a few questions for NASA administrator Gen. Charles Bolden, hoping to get him on the phone. I received these responses by email from NASA, attributed to Bolden.]

Q. Is there a Plan B, or C, or D, that would keep NASA civil servants and contractors doing Constellation-style test launches at the Cape, and/or keep the shuttle flying beyond the end of this year with a drawn-out flight manifest and new orders for external tanks, and/or hasten development of a heavy-lift vehicle....?

There is no "Plan B." During a senior management staff meeting I asked members of my team to help develop an accelerated plan for research and development on a heavy lift launch vehicle within the existing 2011 fiscal year budget proposal. There is only one budget and one plan, and it's mine, it's in the President's budget, and I am implementing it. We think it's exciting. It will enable us to do things we can only dream about today. It will foster new industries, spur innovation, create jobs, and lead to more missions, to more destinations, sooner, safer, and faster. It's both affordable achievable.

Q. Should taxpayers be angry that NASA has put 9 billion into a program [Constellation] that is now being killed by the administration? Or is that a small amount of money compared to what WOULD have been spent on a program that the administration says is not executable?

We have learned so much working on Constellation, and we plan to build on the data collected, the lessons learned, and the expertise of our dedicated work force to execute our exciting new path forward. Currently, we are evaluating what specific areas of Constellation may be applicable to future programs and we'll transition those elements to our new research and development efforts where useful and appropriate.

However, the Augustine Committee's findings made clear that Constellation was simply not affordable or executable under any reasonable budget scenario. Nonetheless, we hope to harvest some of the knowledge and experience gained during the last few years in support of our new direction and activities.

Q. How worried are you about losing the knowledge base at the Cape? Any concern that skilled people will jump ship before shuttle finishes flying (with possible safety implications)?

We couldn't do anything without the enthusiasm and dedication of our talented work force. We are working to develop the implementation plan for our new programs and priorities so that people know what work will be carried out and where. We also expect that our investments in new approaches, new technologies, and private industry will create new jobs and new opportunities.

While the decision to retire the shuttle was made six years ago, the safe and orderly retirement of the space shuttle fleet is our top priority. NASA is working closely, as we always have, with our entire work force to ensure that all necessary resources are available to fly the remaining flights in a safe and prudent way.

Q. Is Obama going to offer any sweeteners when he goes to central Florida [for April 15 space conference]?

The fact that the President is taking time to visit Florida to discuss the future of America's space program demonstrates his commitment to NASA, and our robust exploration vision. I think people will see firsthand what I see - his passionate commitment to a bold future in space which is at the heart of the decision to add an additional $6 billion to NASA's budget.

By Joel Achenbach  |  March 27, 2010; 5:13 PM ET
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I guess Mr. Bolden's the man. It's his plan and h'e going to implement it.

Mr. A, I might have considered wording the second question thusly: "Should taxpayers be angry that 9 billion was sunk into a plan (Constellation) that wasn't really workable time-and-budgetwise from the get-go, and are any of the brainiacs that dreamed it up still at NASA or its major contractors?"

But that's just me. Otherwise, good questions and sadly predictable answers.

Posted by: MsJS | March 27, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Those are great questions, Joel. Although the answers have that mushiness characteristic of policy makers, at least he responded.

The assertion that the 9 billion spent on the Constellation program wasn't really wasted is interesting. I'm not sure if this is spin or not. But it seems consistent, at least to me, with the philosophical basis of much of this new budget.

That is, he seems to be stating that you can develop the technology needed to go places in space without actually, you know, going places in space.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 27, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

That would certainly make an entertaining question MsJS. Unfortunately, it might not get an answer.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 27, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

the Weingarten link starts here, the other one was part two

Posted by: omni3 | March 27, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Very interesting. That Bolden needs to learn to write in English. I shall, soon, attempt to translate what he wrote into what he might have said, were he speaking in sentences with fewer syllables.

Or, Use less words. Mostly short.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 27, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh I'm sure you're correct, RD.

The 9 bil is a sunk cost, anyway. Whether it was well spent or not, one of the first rules of economics is, "Ignore sunk costs."

But while it should be ignored when planning for the future, it's allowable in the present to remove those wedded to ill-conceived programs from positions of responsibility.

Posted by: MsJS | March 27, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Butler's totally bringin' it.

Very cool.

Re. Gen. Bolden - well, he's saying the right things, as he should.

And um, Joel - shouldn't the answer to that first question end, "affordable and achievable?"


Posted by: -bc- | March 27, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I-mom, here's not non-political/non-policy wonk interpretation of Gen. Bolden's answers.
1. No.
2. No to the first part, yes to the second.
3. No.
4. Any speeches the President intends to make are best left to him.

Go Butler!

Posted by: MsJS | March 27, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Ya jinxed Butler, bc...

If I may offer a semi-professional opinion, I'd say Bolton answered those himself, with maybe a touch of polish from the wordsmiths.

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 27, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe not, bc... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 27, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I most assuredly apologize, bc! *L*

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 27, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Nah -- Butler just cleaned KSU's clock.

Which reminds me --- gotta clean my clocks.

Posted by: -ftb- | March 27, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the President pick KSU to win the West? Oops.

Posted by: MsJS | March 27, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe you guys are letting this softball float by you all:

"The Butler did it."

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 27, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mudge -- what's in a softball float, besides "root" beer?

Posted by: -ftb- | March 27, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

The butler
in the wind tunnel
with the tuning fork.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Bolden sounds like a bureaucrat. No surprise there. CqP, if you need help working on those responses, I'm around this evening, just give me a call.

I hope Mrs. Mudge will be okay tomorrow. After supper I went out and dug up some of the wild onions in the yard. That's a task I approach piecemeal, because there's no way my back would survive getting them all at one time.

Mr. T and I enjoyed our foray into high school all-star basketball this afternoon. The girls' game was in the second half when we got there; West came back from a 20-point deficit to tie at the buzzer but lost in overtime. The boys' game was much closer, but West lost at the buzzer because the three-point shot to win didn't go in.

bia, loved the story about the White House seder. What a great idea.

Mudge, you never know how prayer will change things, CqP is right about that. The Sojourners organization has been with us for a while; they are good folks.

Posted by: slyness | March 27, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, it's been used by the media with each Butler win. And the CBS team used it this evening. It's a cute softball, though.

Posted by: MsJS | March 27, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse


Sojourners, like the nuns, have been quietly and faithfully, taking care of the poor and neglected and ignored for more than thirty years. Many of the SoJo crew are my friends. We raised our children together, including soccer and other ordinary child-fests and specific peace/justice formation activities. I used to write for Sojourners about family life. So, am in that crowd.

(Land a hammer on my head, too, Mr. Beck....since you threatened that....will you ask your Beck-b00bs to take a ball/peen to us? Sheesh)

Prayer: very powerful because it works on the INTERIOR of our hearts. Like the wisdom of Victor Frankl, whose insights were bought with blood sacrifices all around him: prayer is part of this freedom -- that we choose our response to what happens around us. Choosing a response is the most human of freedoms.

So, Beck is mean and small-sighted and rude and avenging (what?). I will be loving and kind and darn, go and work harder for justice.

Stand up and be counted, justice-loving men and women. Passover and Easter are very good holy-days to stand up for what is right.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Woodman Song

Woodman spare that tree!
Touch not a single bough;
In youth it sheltered me,
And I'll protect it now;
'Twas my fore father's hand
That placed it near the cot,
There, woodman, let it stand,
Thy axe shall harm it not!

Beck-man, please spare me!
Touch not my simple brow.
In youth, I learned me
Beatitudes; protect me now!
(Look in the BOOK at your hand)
Justice rules there-in, A LOT!)
There, Hammer-Man, let me stand
Thy Hammer, harm me not!

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Here is a video of Redding CA Mrs Bald eagle feeding chick number one and two. Chick one two days old. Chick two one day old. Still setting on egg three.

Posted by: bh72 | March 27, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Here is the song, which by the way, is the FIRST environmental song ever!

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Could someone put a tick in my 'no good deed goes unpunished' column? Sheeze Louise...

laloomis, you're right. I didn't address my post to anyone specific. But it wasn't Mudge. I knew the person I was talking to would know I was talking to them, and that there really wasn't any need to call someone out on the carpet specifically. But since you felt the need to re-post my entry (making sure if anyone missed it the first time, they sure didn't the second), let's look look at the possibilities....

1/When I said I noticed a change in the way someone argues, I was speaking to an attorney. His powers of pursuasion have really developed nicely, and one day soon, he's going to be dog in the courthouse. He's working on a particularly trying case, and I was wishing him luck in formulating his arguments before court on Monday.

2/I'm really having a torid affair with YJ, and we had a terrible argument. We've had these before, and they always wrap up with truly excellent make-up activities, but getting to that point in the past has taken too long. I was hoping to make things better more quickly, because what good is a secret lover if there's no lovin'?

3/I was feeling badly about treating you the same way I always have when you act up, even though the way you act up has changed. I wanted to make sure you weren't sitting in your house, thinking 'darn it, the woman's got a point' while spinning the cylinder of a gun and considering your options. Seeing how I don't let you slide when you act up, I thought I really should be supportive of your efforts to be a better person. Besides, it's Lent, and I'm RC.

Now, which seems most likely?

On to other topics, I had a great day, took on Mother Nature, and lived to tell about it. Now off to a nice dinner to celebrate making it through in one piece. Have a happy night all. You too laloomis.

Posted by: LostInThought | March 27, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes it takes years to figure out what we've actually gotten out of programs like NASA's Constellation. You know... like a pen that writes upside down, or velcro.

Dr G and I just had a lovely dinner with Mr & Mrs Yellojkt at the Eden Center, the Vietnamese shopping center in Falls Church. It's always great to have someone share her native cuisine. And the company was as good as the food.

Now I owe them a dinner at Taverna Cretekou in Old Town Alexandria.

Posted by: -TBG- | March 27, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Spaded the three raised vegetable beds today, Cultivated in a yard of composed steer mature and 25 pounds of lime.
Yesterday built a grow light setup in the shed and seeded seven six packs with heirloom tomatoes, peppers, giant sunflowers, thyme, basel, zinnias, and marigolds. Everything is set now until Mother's Day. Here the rule of thumb is not to plant anything outside until after Mother's Day to avoid the usual late frost.
Sunny and warm today here in the banana belt. Must get out and mow the lawns before the sun goes down. A five day rainy spell is forecast.

Posted by: bh72 | March 27, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the double digging, Mr. Bananas. Faxing first class fare to you now; come out and dig my beds, too.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

All is forgiven. You bring the peanut butter, I'll put up the trapeze. The usual place.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 27, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

LiT -- I am having torrid affairs with boodlers, too. Plan to go to confession on Holy Thursday and confess all. You too? Then we can have a really good Easter dinner, with rhubarb, asparagus, pork tenderloin, and other foods of forgiveness.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I just read the Weingarten column. Change that to pancake syrup and billy goats. Sometimes the old-fashioned ways are the best.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 27, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Aw shucks, TBG. You're making my blush. Just don't let LiT find out about our rendezvous. She's the jealous type.

If I sound a little a little punchy, it's because I've got a guanabana bubble tea buzz going. But now I have a craving for spanakopita.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 27, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Salacious Boodle-flirts to all.

And TBG, you just had to say Taverna Cretekou, didn't you? Maybe in, say, mid-April?

Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Very well done, MsJS. That's exactly what he said, and nicely put. Here's my interpretation of what he might say colloquially, if he spoke colloquially:

a. No, my plan is affordable, exciting and will keep everyone we need very busy.

b. Nobody should be unhappy because that money wasn't wasted. We'll use what we learned with that money to do some exciting projects. We're pleased to be working towards goals we can afford and accomplish.

c. We are lucky to have such a dedicated and talented work force, but they're lucky to have us. We're still the best bet for a career in space exploration, whatever form it might take.

d. We're pleased that the President is excited about NASA and look forward to his visit.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 27, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, it would be so nice if people could say what they mean. But everyone is afraid of being quoted, held accountable for every single comma, have to justify a misplaced word, that you get nothing but platitudes. Our life is less rich, and far more boring, than it was back in Jefferson's day!

Posted by: nellie4 | March 27, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

LiT and yello are having an affair? TMI.

Posted by: laloomis | March 27, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Lack of name in Comment #3--again the use of "you" (second person singular)--is unclear, LiT.

Who would own a gun and be spinning its cylinder? Guess ambiguity is a way of tiptoeing around libel or slander? Whatever it is that you're tryin to say, LiT, I don't get it. Hope your lawyer friend (mystery guest #1) can be helpful should you need his or her services?

Posted by: laloomis | March 27, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Jeepers Loomis. And here LiT was trying *really* hard to tell you in a funny way that she was trying to say something kind to you, but you refuse to process it.

At least that is my take on it. Because I would never believe LiT and Yello.

He would never do that to me.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 27, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

RDP, let's chat NASA instead.

So, lots of money under the bridge and no space ponies to show for it.

Let's do better next time. Which, by the way, is now.

I like my space ponies as probes, and so do you.

Did the collider moment happen? Are we there yet.

Charm is a nice name for a tiny but important particle TBIP?

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh geez. Loomis, you can't be that obtuse, can you? On reflection, perhaps you can.

I'm a very very much sadder though wiser Bear. Because it means my passionate (though unrequited) attachment to LiT has been ignored.

Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Nellie, some folks prefer not to say what they mean, or to take others at their word, because they fear that plain speech might diminish the sense (or illusion) of control they get by deliberately choosing to obscure meaning or turn it to their own ends. Some folks think of words as weapons, and manipulate their own and those of others on what they percieve to be their own behalf. And some folks, of course, get paid by the word. What you want to watch out for are the ones who get paid by the syllable.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 27, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

You know you are my one and only. Except for SciTim. And bc.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 27, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

But Yoki, tis always been you and me, the prairie gals with Irisher heart is broken but I shall console myself with the nice Italian movie star nerd with cool glasses, known in these-here parts as Padua(k).

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Ooops. I hope it was obvious I was joking! I have been known to say things I think are funny and nobody else does.

About NASA, I go back to what I implied earlier. The new approach is based on the assumption that technical progress can be achieved without a specific target. That is, one can develop technologies for exploring space independent of any particular goal.

This, to me, makes sense. One could develop blue-water sailing techniques without fixating on what part of the New World one visits.

Same here. But that said, it is a lot easier to get folks worked up over a program if you have a well defined goal. So I worry that even if this new approach yields positive technical advances, it will lack the emotional appeal to maintain funding.

Because, when all is said and done, space exploration really is the stuff of dreams.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 27, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

LuvTim....and bikingYj...and gearheadBC and Himself-of-the-Mudges...and Error of the Ages....Big Love of the boodle.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

You know, my beautiful CP, that you are the one I hold out for...

Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

You'd leave me for Padouk? A *man?!* Fiinnnnne!

Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

As for Joel's second question, the first thing they teach in engineering economics is "Sunk cost is irrelevant." The only amounts that can be used to make an economic analysis are future revenue streams. It's the same as if your car's transmission craps out right after you had all the brakes replaced. The fix or replace decision is based on what it is going to cost you right now, not what you already spent.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 27, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of dreams. Good night everyone.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 27, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

sniff, sniff

weeping in the corner

Posted by: Moose13 | March 27, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Ponies in the sky
with diamonds

Ponies in the sky
with diamonds

Picture yourself in a boat
with blue-water skies....

Yes, RDP. What you said.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

by the sylable yu say.

I'l eclud extanous leters, and writ an expo on:


Posted by: omni3 | March 27, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Moosies! we can tryst on the bike path and then go to Ikea to buy meatballs and lingonberries!

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

omni the Boy is teaching me to text - the enemy of syllables, spelling, extraneous letters and perhaps communication involving coherent and sustained discussion of abstract concepts - but I digress.

I think he'd say: xklud xtra ltrs & ryt Xpo on.

I'm not sure about "ryt".

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 27, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

In the morning, then!

Posted by: Moose13 | March 27, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

"chrono-synclastic infundibulum" has a lot of syllables too. Good for at least a dinner.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 27, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

gnite slpy bdlrs
<3 Imom lol yr txtyness
Am PBSing, natch

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Folks of all sexes:
If you love dogs-- I love ya!
(No cats need apply)


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 27, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Aw, carp. Somebody beat me to it.

Posted by: omni3 | March 27, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Mng Dlite
Then egs/bcn YMM
CUlatr, <3 Msie

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

polymorphous perversity

See, laloomis, I just took the mick out of you, and left you a wee hook to accuse us all of immaturity! I'm generous.

Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

dgLuv me
CtLuv, nsm BUT
cn try
wsh m lck

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Peanut butter and trapzees... gosh. I hope Google Earth's not watching.

So, for ligonberry bike trysts-- you use ten-speeds, right? Penny Farthings provide an antique yet unique tryst experience, though, or so Yellojkt's XXX-tra secret bike blog says.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 27, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

plymrphs prvrsty
mkc! immtrty
tkee x 10!

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

That actually started out as a typo, and I just kept it up. I can read about seventy to eighty percent of texting, but haven't the need to do it myself so never learned to.

the Sirens of Titan already covered chronosynclastic infundibulum

I'll just have to make up my own big word, but that's kind of cheating. I need a pseudonym.

Posted by: omni3 | March 27, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse



leading to, of course,


And, I am laughing like a crazy lady....and wondering if the PrudeBot is aware of words of male and female import on the sub continent....

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

make that forty percent.

Posted by: omni3 | March 27, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

the bot is a useless tool. I've alreay mentioned I can get anything I want past it. Without using code.

an example of code:

phallus with lesbian

Posted by: omni3 | March 27, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

So how many of us really ignore sunk costs and stick to it? I've got a car, for instance, that consists of nothing but sunk costs held together by wishful thinking.... it's kind of a miracle, really.

Posted by: woofin | March 27, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Lignam and Lingam are safe. Even when they rise out of the primal sea.

Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Thank you omni, I was sure for a while that I was the only one skipping over the texting stuff.

While I'm sure YOU could learn it in a minute, I am much too old for a new language.

Posted by: nellie4 | March 27, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I'd show you an example without code, but that may put my powers that be to evil use and not good, so I won't. You'll all just have trust me and take my word for it.

Posted by: omni3 | March 27, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Stp gfy txtin! My mndz goin goin gon

Posted by: woofin | March 27, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

laloomis, I started the whole thing with your login name.'s the deal. The bullets go in this way, slap it closed like this, give it a spin for luck, and see this button over here? That's the safety. Push it this way until it clicks. Not the temple, that's not as foolproof as one might think. Under the chin is better.

Don't worry about me having appropriate legal representation. Believe me, I've got that one covered.

Yoki (laloomis, this means I'm talking to Yoki now), you know I feel about you. The IBPH is etched in my mind forever. Who could forget such a night? Adding BobS to the mix was genius. And way fun. Who knew he'd be that limber?

YJ (laloomis, this means I'm talking to YJ now)...thanks. I can't stand these spats. Same bat time, same bat channel?

I've had a really kick-butt day, and am now getting ready to dive head first into this bottle of pinot. Have a very happy night all.

Posted by: LostInThought | March 27, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

My mouth pried open:
Half-chewed vowels flying out,
wobbling like diphthongs...


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 27, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I love you. And bob.

Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Thank you nellie, I try to read it, but knowing which vowel is missing and where it goes is sometimes harder than a crossword puzzle. Bob Klahn hard.

Posted by: omni3 | March 27, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I am Spartacus!

Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

The Post has posted the Achenstory.

Unfortunately, space exploration's been a muddle for years now. Building the International Space Station consumed enormous resources, and we nearly ended up terminating the project just when it became useful.

The moon-Mars stuff cost a fair amount, but never seemed to pick up the broad Congressional support it needed. I fear that lately it's been seen as a huge make-work project for a relatively few, mostly Republican, congressional districts.

I'm no expert on space matters, but I suspect that if the US develops a heavy-lift launcher, heavy cargoes will be available. Assuming of course that it's not cheaper to launch things piecemeal and assemble them once upstairs.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | March 27, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

///DeCastro, the United Space Alliance executive, said he doubted the mobile launcher could be useful without the Ares 1.

"It's just a big old tower now," DeCastro said. "I guess you could sell it to SeaWorld or something and put a big ol' slide on it."///

Pretty sure a boodler had that idea first.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 27, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

blog or it didn't happen

Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I just realized my short bed time story should have a prologue (introducing the wicked pendant creator). Also that maybe chapter seven should be the epilogue.

I already have rough drawings of the front and back of the pendant. I'm thinking front and back cover art...

I need at least seven more drawings.
Outside of three ring circus tent in distance with circus animals in middle distance and proto in foreground,
Inside circus tent during pony act,
Proto's inside home maybe,
Proto outside walking for sure (multi pix on a page),
A clown drawing with a subtle 'Fear Clowns' message

Oh dang, I have more pictures than pages in mind now.

I just figured out how to work that if I get the right number...

Posted by: omni3 | March 27, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

God, how I need a cigarette.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 27, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

ƒin, time for bed

Posted by: omni3 | March 27, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, jst ths nce u cn smk insde k? Dnt mke hbt of ths.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Some people insist on foreplay, some go straight for the deed, others with vast wordly experience just want the dang ciggy.

Sorry Mudge, you did leave the door slightly ajar.

(and I left the typo in on purpose

Posted by: omni3 | March 27, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. Trapezes are so '70s, and peanut butter is rather sticky and tends to gum up under heat and pressure (don't ask how I know).

I've brought my olive oil and I've got the ceiling fan, 8 pairs of manacles, 50 candles and 10 pounds of rose petals, ready to take on all comers. See for yourselves why there's the GLAD in Gladiator - Google and/or recording devices are *not* invited.

Though the US Geological Survey's seismographs do pick up that much movement of the earth (Don't ask me how I know that, either).


Posted by: -bc- | March 27, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

loomis, in case you missed it earlier:

"Disingenuousness always helps, doesn't it?



Posted by: -bc- | March 27, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse"


Posted by: -bc- | March 27, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Wonderful PBS tonight. Mad King George. And Helen Mirren.

Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

BC, so YOU are responsible for Carole King's hit song about global perturbations down below?

Thanks for that. Now I am really ready for Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Thank you.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 27, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, not us. We have BritSits, which I like very much.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

You are most welcome.

Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

(referring to CqP's 11:34.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 27, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

"There is a mist. The Queen. I miss her."

Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

ok, tn. cp n m dnt wry.

Posted by: Yoki | March 27, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, thank YOU for not putting ash in the philodendron pot. That's a good sport! In about two weeks, the weather will be nice enough that I won't feel guilty about sending out to the balcony for your dear little post-pleasantry habit. Now, scoot on home, there's a dear. I am up early. I have to race YJ to Moosie's house. She promised hand cut, peppered bacon. Now that's a post-lude treat for very oinkie sure!

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love Maureen Dowd. In her op-ed for tomorrow, she advocates that Benedict be banished to Bavaria and the Catholic Church chose a Nope (nun pope).

A caller to the Diane Rehm show this past Friday, the caller who said she works in the medical field, asked why she was required by law to report cases of child abuse--sexual and physical--yet the Catholic Church can get away with decades of enabling the practice.

Posted by: laloomis | March 27, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, thank YOU for not putting ash in the philodendron pot. That's a good sport! In about two weeks, the weather will be nice enough that I won't feel guilty about sending out to the balcony for your dear little post-pleasantry habit. Now, scoot on home, there's a dear. I am up early. I have to race YJ to Moosie's house. She promised hand cut, peppered bacon. Now that's a post-lude treat for very oinkie sure!

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 27, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

I ht t whn Yk gts lryngts nd lss ll hr vwls.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 27, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, I love that movie...sigh. Vicar of Dibley, not very much. BUT, As Time Goes By soon, then Keeping Up Appearances...and I did have a good Fawlty Towers fix: rat and health inspector!

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

y? m nt mch mr artclt wt m.

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

srt f trbl, stl. spcly bkwrds.

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, put the pot on for tea before you go. I take up a fortifying tea with honey, lemon, and a splash of Jamesons for our Yoki. She is up in the bower apartment, yes, the turreted corner of the manse....I would ask the help but I sent them home. Sometimes they fear your and your salty sea dog ways....

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 28, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Fawlty Towers! You vicious bast@rd ( to a car)! The dead man in the bar. Sybil!

I'll tell you a story about staying in Sid and Sybil Brown's hotel, in Bath, one of these days. Their grown son was one of the writers on Fawlty Towers.

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

You let Bridget go? She could use the wages, aye.

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, yes dear, show your softie side and then the help won't quake in their books. Aren't you tired of the Dread Pirate Roberts schtick, when you really are a soft serve Dairy King double swirl of a luvie.

Yoki -- a REAL FT, well my goodness in deed.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Yes, CP. My family still calls me Brigid, or Bridget, depending. Also, sometimes, Pookie. And, Josephine.

Though, now that Stephen is gone, there is a lot less Josephine in my life.

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

No, Yoki.. Bridie is really afeered of Cap'n Mudge. I let her go with that nice young Neil. He promised to take her over hill and dale to her grannie's place. Tis Palm Sunday and he will bring her back after the waving of the palms and the praying over that Apostate Mr. Beck.

Bridie is dear and she ties my corsets so perfectly. And, brushed my hair with a light but firm hand.

YeGods, we be speaking of our ancestors and cuzes....they served and were not served.....

And, from my mouth to God's ears: Wealth and an Italian villa on the shores of Lake Guarda near Limone would NOT spoil me at all.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Geesh didn't anyone see west by god beat kentucky for their first final four apperance since Jerry West(not west by god)?
Of course I had wv beating ky for the national championship,maybe that is why my brackets are so screwed up.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | March 28, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Nor me, beloved cuz.

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Sigh, yes I see that dark cut-out in the sky labeled S.

We can call you Josephine as you need.

One dear Irisher great auntie was her very, very self
Patricia Josephine.....

Paddy Jo to us and her sibbies.

The two candles on the porch are for S. One is rue, the other rosemary; both for remembrance.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

GWE, kind sir, are you happy happy in a green man way about your WestByGod Mountaineers?

GO big Yellow.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Well, CqP, I try to keep that side of me under wraps. Well, under a slicker, actually. (Here I am in my salty sea dog togs, on my way to work every morning:

But I digress. 'Twas yer 12:00 post that reminded me of this, one of my alltimey favs:

You must remember this
A kiss is still a kiss, a sigh is just a sigh
The fundamental things apply
As time goes by
And when two lovers woo
They still say, "I love you"
On that you can rely
No matter what the future brings
As time goes by
Moonlight and love songs
Never out of date
Hearts full of passion
Jealousy and hate
Woman needs man
And man must have his mate [argh! ye can't get much more nautical than this, 'e wot?]
That no one can deny
Well, it's still the same old story
A fight for love and glory
A case of do or die
The world will always welcome lovers
As time goes by.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 28, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

So long as Bridie is comin' through the rye, roamin in the gloamin', with young Neil, 'tis well. He's a good boy. And I've known his gram for many days; she'll keep them on the path. And I pray they begin the beguine after the vows.

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Fading, though I should try to stay awake and see Lionel's first wife Margaret...

slp tght
Dnt lt bdbgs bt

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Yes I am fine lady and did you see that the Mountaineer mascot was a woman?

Posted by: greenwithenvy | March 28, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Is Paddie Jo still available as Boodle-handle? 'Cause I can't give up my Yoki-ness, but would be happy to be Patricia Josephine.

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, yes we PRAY they will bed post wed. Oh my, the responsibilities of our positions, etc.

Mudge--love this song, always. ANd, Lionel's first wife is now named

Margaret Butterworth.....

Now, I have seen her...tall thin and impossibly rich but a bit too I can sleep....Good job, Lionel, go with dear and wonderful Jean....gnite boodles.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Argh, sweet dreams, CqP. And tell young Bridie that no true lass e'er had fear from the likes o' me, for all me salty bluster.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 28, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

'tis an interesting final four, indeed.
Should be some good games coming up, too.

I do have WVa playing for the National Championship in one of my brackets... congrats, Greenie.

Really need to bear down and read Joel's piece soon...


Posted by: -bc- | March 28, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Jeepers. I go out for one little party (which was super! Three folks played guitars, a keyboard was tinkled, a bass was thumped, and spoons were applied to a washboard. Nearly everybody took a shot at lead singing at some point. And even more delicious dishes than previously listed arrived. Too much fun.) and suddenly all discretion has been tossed to the wind?

Posted by: bobsewell | March 28, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Well, at least you had WV in the Final Four, bc. Me, I had a VW with four on the floor.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 28, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, bobsewell. But it was great.

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Went to bed and couldn't sleep at first, finally nodded off for a few and woke to a dialogue running in my head. An imaginary conversation with a real person I don't know. It was in Spanish. How weird is that?

Oh, Um, I don't speak Spanish (and I really don't hear it), I only know about a hundred words, and a few phrases.

Posted by: omni3 | March 28, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Well, you're right, and I'm not ashamed. Next, I suppose, that incident with the Whacky Weasel will be discussed.

Posted by: bobsewell | March 28, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Let's not go there, OK?

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

for all you trysting love birds:

A love song in Spanish.

I think everyone will like..

Posted by: omni3 | March 28, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

and for all of you who aren't trysting...

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

And when trysts ends badly
as they all do sadly
don't take up the bat
take comfort in fact

your not the only hurt one

'Malo' por Bebe:

Posted by: omni3 | March 28, 2010 1:42 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 1:49 AM | Report abuse

I apparently need a ruling on whether Chopped Liver is available as a boodle handle. ;-)

Posted by: engelmann | March 28, 2010 1:51 AM | Report abuse

omni, diving into deep waters! One of the great comforts of getting older has been the realization that I needn't be too afraid of getting hurt because it won't actually kill me. I'm pretty sure it's made me more emotionally open. It makes me sad that some people seem to take away the opposite lesson.

Posted by: bobsewell | March 28, 2010 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Fark, all. I hope you feel good.

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 2:01 AM | Report abuse

I hear you Bob. Bare in mind these are songs sung by youngsters

they are muses.
inspiration for poetry.
judge the poem as it stands.
look back to when you believed this is IT.
then when you discovered it wasn't, the pain!

just sayin' I'm not so old I don't remember those feelings.

66557, that's my metre, and I should go to bed now cause I wanna get up some time today.

Posted by: omni3 | March 28, 2010 2:08 AM | Report abuse

YOKI, use more capital letters for more effect next time.

Of course I think I understand what your upset about

but you really do need to shout it so I'm sure that you are really really upset


Posted by: omni3 | March 28, 2010 2:12 AM | Report abuse

i can't shout

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 2:19 AM | Report abuse

I have WV in my Final Four but two people with more points than me have the Mountaineers cutting down the nets. All my hopes now ride with Duke. A revolting development.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 28, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Last night was fantastic. Who knew afterglow could result from March Madness?

Posted by: yellojkt | March 28, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

you know what i find funny laloomis - it's only slander or libel when it's aimed at you yet you have insulted many many ppl without provication. besides, it's not defamation if it's the truth! get over yourself laloomis. we have better things to do than listen to your drivel - we have recipes and skating costumes and basketball to discuss! those are infinetly more intersting than your %^& lineage or rare genetic disorder.


Posted by: mortii | March 28, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Good thing I left when I did last night, else NukeSpouse would REALLY wonder about all the time I spend here.

Not that I feel left out or anything. *sniff*

And congrats to WV for beating Kentucky (NOT gonna use the abbreviation after last night)!

*how-do-texters-SCC-anyway Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 28, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. I take a boodle day off and Big Love breaks out. Just my luck. And what Engelmann said.

It's red-shouldered black birds madness here. All males yet, of course. When the female will show up trouble will break out. The big gang will split and each will defend its territory.

The snow tires are getting out today. And it's true, Australia is the REAL first GP of the season.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 28, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Just give up YJ,I'd rather Puke then root for Duke.......

Posted by: greenwithenvy | March 28, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Unless there is Big Bucks involved of course.........

Posted by: greenwithenvy | March 28, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I may be an ornery vindictive b@stard but I love that Alguersuari, from the height of his 20 years of age he reached last week, is not giving an inch to Kaiser Shumi on the Melbourne track.
bc, that one is a race.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 28, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Yah, s_d, I love racing in the rain myself. Take a deep breath, suck it up, react to opportunity, and enjoy the slide. Good stuff.


Posted by: -bc- | March 28, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Good morning everyone. Hey, what are all these cigarette butts doing on the floor of the boodle? And how did those footprints end up *there.*

Don't tell me. I don't really wanna know.


I really enjoyed Joel's space article. It lays out the workforce frustrations very clearly, while still acknowledging that there is a lot of work being done on space.

What annoys the heck out of me is the assertion that if we lose the people we will lose the knowledge. This is insane, and I know I have ranted about this before.

It should be an imperative of every project manager out there to make sure that things are written down. At the end of each technical project a key deliverable should be a big manual labelled "How we did it." (Think of that book in "Young Frankenstein" but with fewer references to brains.)

To me, to end an expensive project and not preserve the technical know-how generated is obscene.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 28, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

*oh. my. word.*

Er, good morning, y'all.

Warm muffin, coffee and OJ on the table.

*mouth opening and closing repeatedly in futile attempt to find something else to say*

Posted by: MsJS | March 28, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

RD, that obvious step - preserve the knowledge - is often overlooked. We once had a woman who had worked with us for years. She answered the phones, did case intake and general administrative work, keeping track of the entire workplace inflow and product. She also had a prodigious memory and could tell you all sorts of things about past developments which were relevant and helpful to current assignments. A while back we ran out of money and, foolishly, the Powers That Be let her go (rather than furlough everyone for a couple of days). Nobody had her train the remaining employee (formerly receptionist) in her tasks. They didn't understand what she did; her successor didn't understand some of it, didn't much care to do some of it, and didn't have the institutional memory. The next few years were a disaster and many embarrassments ensued until they finally reinstated some of the core duties and hired someone else who could do them.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 28, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Good morning boodle!

Nights like last night are why, after 4 seasons, I have finally hired a cleaner for our vacation rental. I will not miss doing it myself.

What this boodle needs is less bracket talk and more bears.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | March 28, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

LiT: Besides, it's Lent, and I'm RC.

I'm assuming that RC means Roman Catholic? Odd, isn't it, that one can make a mountain out of a molehill on the one-time use of the word "Oriental"--create such a big fuss, but when it comes to a decades of child abuse within your own organized religion, not a peep. No calling out the egregious practice of child sexual abuse by priests and the coer-up by higher-ups, the emotional scars of the victims--all of it documented in news reports over decades, not to mention the tremendous volume of coverage lately about Ratzilla's role as Cardinal, his lack of spine to address the problem.

If you're so big on calling out what you perceive as acting out, LiT, may I suggest the first place you should look is within your own ranks--your religion, and your own self. Hypocrite.

Off to read Agatha Christie's "Murder on the Asian Express."

I'm reminded of an incident lately on ABC's This Week. Economist and journalist Paul Kriuman was asked to comment on Desiree Rogers leaving her post as social secretary at the White House. Krugman replied, to the effect, "You wnat me to comment on the Desiree Rogers leaving the White House when so many millions are unemployed?"

Goes, for you, too, Mo. Drivel. Recipes and skating costumes (making a mountain out a molehill) are what you discuss when you have nothing much to say).

Posted by: laloomis | March 28, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

RD, those books of project knowledge exist - in my corner of the world (software), they call them SDF's and they can be bigger than the Encyclopaedia Britannica for a small project. Without the people involved it's extremely difficult to extract the reusable bits from the dump trucks of information a project will generate.

Actually packaging the technology or information for reuse is pretty much one of the first thing to get cut, since it does nothing to advance the current project. It is also much harder to do than most people realise, to the point where it is acquiring 'myth' status in some minds. Contrary to the old saw, if you know what you are doing, there are times where it is easier to just reinvent that darn wheel.

Within 5 years the hardware they intended for the initial designs will start dissapearing from manufacturer product lines. Their blueprints will be good for the museum.

All in all, however they want to spin it, I don't think this is good for manned space. They may be able to get a lot of interesting theory and tech ideas, but when they decide to finally go somewhere it will be like starting over.

Posted by: qgaliana | March 28, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

RD... my feeble mind wonders how you work on space. Don't you just fall if you are "on space?" ... fall somewhere or towards something?

Posted by: russianthistle | March 28, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Loomis, this is tedious. Look, the bottom line is that you and the boodle have a dysfunctional relationship. You are not good for us and we are probably not good for you. So why not make a fresh start somewhere else? It is clear you aren't going to change. And neither are we.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 28, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps I will go read "And Then There Were None", particularly if I can find the vintage British edition with the original title.

Which means the N-word must be perfectly respectable because book titles from seventy years ago are the criteria for which modern word usage should be determined.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 28, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

RD and I-mom, if an organization treats its people well and bosses understand what their underlings do in a big-picture way and periodically go so far as to ASK, this sort of stuff happens far less frequently.

Many organizations don't understand the basics of human resource management. Preserving institutional memory is seldom anyone's priority.

On the flip side, many employees believe that if they share too much about what they do or know, they become expendable. When times are tough (like now), they believe their exclusive hold on some facet of knowledge make them more valuable.

In NASA's case, I'm willing to guess the Constellation project work files are well-detailed and archived, that Gen. Bolden has already been apprised of what will be relevant going forward and what won't, and that appropriate steps are being taken to preserve as much of what's considered valuable as possible.

Posted by: MsJS | March 28, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Also, there is no shortage of people keeping track of things going on in the Church, not to mention the other Important Things going on out in the world. Whether we, here, specifically address such issues is irrelevant.

What makes the boodle special is when it produces things that can't be found anywhere else. And, to a large extent, those unique attributes emerge from the unique experiences, opinions, and random thoughts of the people who are here.

In essence, if I want to read regurgitation of the Big Issues of the day, I can go many places. But if I want to hear the unique voices of the many fascinating people of the boodle, this is it.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 28, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

RDP, I think that NASA'S ongoing contributions to understanding the Earth should be center stage. The documentation of our ilth as a planet makes possible understanding how deep is the doodoo we are in...and can help us understand the size of the shovel we need to extricate ourselves.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

RD, LiT, I have to say I was a bit shocked at the opening part of loomis' comments about RC-ism(in her mind). I take LiT's last sentiment to heart and agree. Let's all support the poster and hope for better understanding and participation. So, rather than jump in and react, I will choose to ignore as much as for LiT's sentiments as to the fact that I see little good coming from correcting the perception.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 28, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

qgaliana - it's good to know that there is some good documentation going on.

And I agree, documentation is one of the first things cut. Also, it isn't typically in a contractor's best interest to document things. It is natural to want to remain as important as possible, and information extortion is a popular way to do it.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 28, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't know, RD. My attitude has changed. I once found Loomis so tedious I gave up reading her - a practice reinforced by the comments responding to her. Before I realized who it was, I read her latest one. While it is clear Loomis didn't mean what she wrote to be funny, I realized that I now find her consistency humorous. She's still insisting on talking about things having nothing to do with the Kit or any Boodle topic, still mad when others don't, still (as bc says) disingenuous in service of her own ends. This, in the face of repeated comments and pleas asking her to join the Boodle world, or not, finally struck me as funny. She is who she is; we can't change that; if I stumble across her posts again I might as well enjoy the irony of a non-humor poster on a humor blog being pretty funny in her persistence.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 28, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Frosti... I'm think you hadn't fully backboodled when you wrote your 10:14 post. Unless "bracket talk" is what the young people are calling "it" these days.

But my great-niece concurs... "More bear!" is one of her stock phrases. And at 16 months old, she only has a few.

Posted by: -TBG- | March 28, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

And, RD, I am a bit disappointed in you. When you leave, you are to press the button to bring down the cone of silence. That is in your union job description. NOW, everybody knows about the occasional night of wildness here. I am like to shrink of the shame. Thank God and Goodness and Mother Gaia that no pictures of the costuming are posted.

Frostie, you can keep the deposit. I'll be by to help clean after four PM. I am a bit tired and I need my powder milk biscuits so I can get up and face the world.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

MsJS - well said. I hope you are right about the records.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 28, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry CP. Hmm. Probably a bit of retraining is in order...

Ivansmom - yeah, that's a good mindset alright.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 28, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Ivansmom is right... Many times (for me) the most coffee-spewing humor is found in supposedly nonhumorous posts. Sometimes trolls; sometimes regulars. Topics chosen as retribution are one example. Tee hee.

I continue to be amazed at what this group and this space has brought to my life. Just last night my husband and I enjoyed a great evening with people we never would have met otherwise. My son lives in a city he wouldn't have even visited if it hadn't been for the boodle folks. The people here have become as real to me as anyone in my life has been... they are now a HUGE part of my life, whether we've met in person or not.

But now it may be coming back to haunt me. Daughter has begun making "internet friends." In her case, at least, she chats online with them face-to-face (well.. camera-to-camera) so she knows they are, in fact, the people they claim to be. And I've had a chance to meet a few of them. But I still might have to rethink this whole "imaginary friend" thing.

Or do you think it's too late?

Posted by: -TBG- | March 28, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Yup, the key to much great humor is the realm of the unwittingly absurd. Thinking of which, I really miss seeing appearances by Professor Irwin C Corey.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 28, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Jk -- I had forgotten about that AC novel original title. Thank you for the reminder and your timing is perfect.

TBG -- real real or real-real or IRL or virtual real.....yes. REAL.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

*begin drivel alert*

After much going back and forth, I've decided to center the Easter feast around roast rack of lamb. Sides will be potatoes au gratin and asparagus. Must search the boodle archives as I know many great prep ideas for both are in there. Thank you to those who participated in those discussions.

I'm thinking pie for dessert.

*end drivel alert*

Posted by: MsJS | March 28, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Pie! Rhubarb?

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Prof. Irwin Corey at 94 ...

RD, science and politics, I guess.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 28, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I love chopped liver!
Come up and get your faces licked
Maybe ears nibbled...


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 28, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Oh no - not the great asparagus debate again :-)

Posted by: qgaliana | March 28, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

As vegetable
for Big Love time, or sparring
asparagus rocks.


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 28, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

And, the metabolic miracle of asparagus, post-table.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

It is odd to see that, after weeks and weeks of being away from the Boodle, I come back to find Loomis still here, and still griping. What a glutton for punishment. If she dislikes the regulars, and the regulars dislike her back, why is she still clicking on this link? Is someone stopping her from leaving?


Those 9 billion may yet bear fruit. I am thinking of all the cool stuff we now have thanks to previous programs that were not necessarily related to going places. A colleague recently shared this site with a long list of examples (disclaimer: I did not verify every single example).

Posted by: abeac1 | March 28, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Having thoroughly back-Boodled into submission (so to speak), and pursuant to loomis' 10:48, why, LiT! I had absolutely *no idea* you were completely and totally responsible for all the abuse perpetrated by and under (so to speak) the Roman Catholic church! Holy Jamoly, Clarabelle! Such powers you must have!

See, here's the thing. If loomis doesn't get all attention all the time she goes off the deep end (as if she needs a reason). Another thing to consider is her apparent lack of recognition when another Boodler uses humor, directly or obscurely or even upside-downly, to illustrate a point. I once read somewhere that a deliberate literal interpretation of words or events can be sign of schizophrenia or other organic brain disorder. And there you go.

loomis -- I will join the rest of the Boodlers who have suggested to you that in light of the fact that *you* are not going to change (we do recognize that) in order to make this Boodle a more accommodating place on the macro scale, leaving you the, well, "odd" one out, as well as the fact that *we* are likewise not going to change to accommodate your narcissistic cravings, you will continue to be marginalized and consequently left out of the rest of what this Boodle gives to us and us to each other.

Yes, a long sentence. Tough it out.

You crave attention on such an air-sucking scale that the rest of us have gone into another universe altogether to be with and among ourselves. Without you. And, no, we generally do not even talk about you when we are together. There are many, many more important and interesting topics than, well, just you.


Good grief, it's almost noon in these parts. Where on earth did the morning go?

Posted by: -ftb- | March 28, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

But MsJS, that isn't drivel! It's entertaining information about a member of this community that I have come to care about. It is brief, intriguing, and affectionate. It is part of a conversation among friends. This, to me, is important.

Because tomorrow morning I will go back to work and make my tiny little contribution to real-world events that might one day end up in some of those books we keep hearing about. And having a clever set of imaginary friends sure makes that easier.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 28, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

And now I'm in the mood for some piping hot coffee and sweet cherry pie.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 28, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

OK, Ms.JS, that asparagus problem has been around for a while. I looked at some OED entries (that I have access give me a reason to get up on some days!)

John Arbuthnot (1667–1735), a Scottish mathematician and physician to Queen Anne, noted in a book on foods first published in 1731 that “asparagus… affects the urine with a foetid smell (especially if cut when they are white) and therefore have been suspected by some physicians as not friendly to the kidneys; when they are older, and begin to ramify, they lose this quality; but then they are not so agreeable” (Arbuthnot, 1735). Samuel Johnson (1709–1784), in the first edition of his Dictionary of the English Language(1755), quotes Arbuthnot's passage, although Charles Knight (1791–1873) in his English Cyclopaedia (1859) does not mention the odiferous property; perhaps it was not yet common (Johnson, 1755; Knight, 1859). However, by 1866, Pierre Larousse in theGrand Dictionnaire Universel assures us that “tout le monde connaı̂t l'odeur fétide qu'elle communique àl'urine” (Larousse, 1866). UNQUOTE

See this long but fab open source science article on asparagus pee and beet root pee.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Beet root red output tends to be dose-dependant. Asparagus output, not dose dependant.

Only about half of Brits have the asparagus phenomen; US peeps are about 79 percent in the asparagus effect group. Not sex linked.

In high school just after Easter/Passover break we steamed asparagus in class and were sent a way with collection bottles. We came back the next day an isolated the times.

RDP -- have a slice of rhubarb tart. And, pass the cream. Thanks. No. No. sugar. That'll do.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

RD, here is the key to the costume closet. Why not take the over-sized beret that Basque shepherds sported back in the day. And, the striped wool vest...the nice grey upon grey tones look very Pyrennesian.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

That spinoffs site is very cool, abeac. Thanks for sharing it!

MsJS... this is not how my sister will be making the Easter lamb, but how I make it in my house, where we like it very very pink...

I buy a boneless lamb roast and I untie and unroll it, even butterflying if I have to to make it a consistent thickness (usually only about 3 inches thick).

I cover it with Cavender's Greek Spice or an equivalent (you can get Cavender's at any grocery store ), fresh ground pepper and extra garlic powder if I feel like it, and let it sit for about 15 minutes while the oven gets hot (around 375-400°F).

Before putting it in the oven, I add olive oil to my dark, nonstick dutch oven and heat that over the stove to medium-high. When the oil is hot, I sear the lamb all over, using the sides of the dutch oven to help sear all outside parts of the lamb.

Then I put the lamb on a rack in a baking pan, pour a bit of chicken or beef broth in the bottom of the pan (for gravy later) and put it in the oven for only about 30 minutes or so, until the internal temp is about 135° to 140°F.

Take it out, tent it with aluminum foil and let it sit for about 15 or 20 minutes before slicing. It will continue to cook, so dont' be scared if it looks too rare when you remove it from the oven.

This is how my immediate family likes it. (My extended family tends to cook it until gray and hard). I'll be doing this on Friday when I make the traditional Greek Easter soup to take to my sister's house on Sunday, which is normally made with the parts of the lamb that don't go on the table (my YiaYia/grandmother's recipe called for "half a spleen").

I'll cut the roast in half, make the soup out of one half and roast the other for the kids and husband to pick at all day. The best part: my house smells like YiaYia & Papou's house all weekend.


Posted by: -TBG- | March 28, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for your kind words. But please don't mention beets in connection with the digestive system. A Weingarten tweet a while back has scarred me for life in that respect.

Click at your own risk.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 28, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Say what you will, the Achenblog wouldn't be the same place without Loomis' contributions. Such as they are.

Posted by: bobsewell | March 28, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

*begin drivel alert*

CqP, rhubarb pie is a MrJS favorite and is on the short list.

RD, as you probably guessed, I am posting the drivel alert for loomis' benefit. I am honored you took the time to read it and respond.

ftb, George Will opened a column within the last 4 months or so with a sentence of about 40 words. It is, on occasion, the required exception to the rule.

*end drivel alert*
And I honor all of you who head out to work each week to add to the collective good of humanity. As someone who no longer can, I want you to know I appreciate your efforts.

Posted by: MsJS | March 28, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

It's genetic CqP. In this family the two boys are pee-pure and the three girls pee-fetid.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 28, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse


laloomis, your latest racial misstep was by no means your first (you repeated it several times over the course of 2 days). Shoot, it wasn't your hundreth racial misstep. But you know this. If I didn't think you were mentally challenged/unstable, I'd think you did it on purpose because you're evil. Satan's wife.

Next, I've seen your posts over time about Catholicism. Let me just take this opportunity to say your understanding of it is limited at best. But that's okay...I could never understand Judaism, Hinduism, Buddism, etc. completely, as I haven't been brought up in those faiths, haven't participated in the rites and rituals, haven't taken the tenets into my heart and incorporated them into my actions and choices. But because I don't know another faith the way a practitioner does, I refrain from comment. I don't see Other as threatening; I just see it as Other.
And let me point out something else...the faith and practice of a religion, and the governmental organization of it, are different things.

Also, where do you get off your high horse and call me a hypocrite? You don't know me, and you don't know how I lead my life. I'm mindful of holding my personal information close to the vest, and reveal very few details about myself. I just don't think it's the proper forum.

I had considered sending you an email yesterday, making sure my words were merely the slap in the face you deserve and not a knife to the heart, but there's no way on God's Green Earth that I want you to have my email address, or any other information that might allow you to track me down. You strike me as having the potential to be a diaper-wearing cross-country-driving lunatic, and I have children to protect.

I'm sorry you weren't able to take my hand when I reached out to you. Sorry not that I reached out, but sorry as in have pity for you.

Best of luck in acquiring any semblance of empathy for your fellow man.

Posted by: LostInThought | March 28, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

And a more recent contribution to his oeuvre:

Posted by: yellojkt | March 28, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, SD, I shall keep count. And publish the boodle asparagus results after I muddle through the t-tests and chi-squares.

Pork loin recipe very much like Gt. Aunt Tona taught me:


* A boned pork loin weighing 1.5 pounds
* Butcher's twine
* 2 cloves garlic, peeled and crushed
* 1 tablespoon white wine
* The needles from a sprig of rosemary, chopped
* 3-4 juniper berries, crushed
* 2/5 cup (100 ml) olive oil
* Salt and pepper to taste
* 1 1/2 quarts (1.5 l) whole milk

Tie the meat with several loops of twine. Put it in a ceramic or pyrex bowl. Plan to cover the bowl in the fridge during marination.

Combine the garlic, vinegar, rosemary needles, crushed juniper, and olive oil. Mix well, season with pepper and a little salt, and pour the mixture over the meat. Marinate the pork loin for overnight turning it the next morning and letting it sit for an hour.

Come time to cook the loin, drain it well and put it in a cast iron casserole. Add the milk and simmer uncovered over a moderate temp for an hour. When the time is up, finish by a sear at high heat but not broil until brown.

You can make a gravy with the marinade, but do not add the milk. I use 2% milk and this is fine. The milk -- as with any liquid and pork -- keeps the meat tender.

(Milk and meat, disallowed for kosher folk, but the meat is, we are ok, right?)

Lovely with cold asparagus.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Well, I think LiT said it all, and quite well.

But back to Space.

abeac - first of all, welcome back! You have been missed. I really enjoyed that list of spin-offs, and although I have never thought that spin-offs alone could be used to justify the space program, they certainly do make a good argument that the Constellation research hasn't been entirely a bust.

Of course, I go back to Bolden's implication that the Constellation program has had direct benefits to the space program. Is that credible? I mean, that mobile launcher that Joel presents. Has the development of that tower really led to some useful new technical insights applicable to future missions? This is what Bolden seems to be suggesting. And I, personally, think he has a point. I'm just not sure if it has been an especially cost effective way of doing so.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 28, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

And, Ada Boni is to Italian cooking in this country as Julia Child is to French cookery over here.

And, they are both gone but live in their books.

Ada is only on the Italian Wikipedia:

I love her Regional Italian Cooking. My mother owned it but was a bit scared of this book. I inherited it at my wedding and then, moved near Gr.Tana Tona, and learned to cook out of this.

Bagna Cauda, anyone? Lovely on bread slices toasted lightly.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

France has ordered 14 Soyuz carrier rockets from Russia for ONLY $1 billion to launch from Kourou:
so, MY suggestion to Launch the Soyuz from KSC is a GREAT IDEA to FILL the 6-10 years US spaceflight GAP and SAVE up to $20 billion to invest in the development of an HLV for lunar missions:

Posted by: gaetanomarano | March 28, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The Prez is in Afghanistan:

Posted by: seasea1 | March 28, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow seasea. That was sneaky of him.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 28, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

De-boning a leg of lamb is impressive, TBG.

Posted by: Jumper1 | March 28, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Eating easter grass
Will I barf up chocolate
bunnies to chase down?


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 28, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrodog, Easter grass is mean stuff. I tried eating it many years ago and can say it's not fit for human or canine.

Besides, chocolate bunnies are too stoopid to know when they're being chased. What's the fun in that?

*alarm-stomach growling high noon*

Posted by: MsJS | March 28, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

An Easter dream ruined.
What now, the Beagle's fake too?
Pass the eggs and tears.


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 28, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

CqP, here's my lunch that I just had. The influences are Medi/Italian, but basic what I had on hand and left overs from the veggie bin and pantry:

AND, it was one serving and quick.

Leftover farfalle pasta, tossed with a bit of olive oil and Parmesan cheese and into Microwave oven.

Left over broccoli chopped into bite size pieces and 3 or 4 Kal. Olives chopped and tossed into hot Olive Oil saute pan. season with salt, pepper, oregano, parsley and crushed red papper flakes and let it go for a couple of minutes, covered. When it starts to talk to you, toss in a couple of capers and 5 or 6 pepperoni slices or go upscale with pancetta (but put it in earlier). Give it a stir for 1 or 2 minutes then drizzle in a teaspoon of vinegar, 2 or 3 teaspoons of Marsala wine and then 4 tablespoons of red sauce/gravy. Finally, add 1 teaspoon of sour cream.

Stir, cover and turn down to low for 2 or 3 minutes.

(When we make our gravy, we do it over three days in a 64 qt pot at a low/low simmer. The last day, it is used to cook 2 racks of beef ribs and a couple dozen meatballs--so, to approximate, I would use a thick meat flavored sauce.)

Pour the saute pan over the hot pasta and give it a nice mix.

I am a happy boy!

I can't understand why so many people complain about cooking for one. For me, it is enjoyable. So many Pasta dishes are quite do-able for one and no one is going to give you a ticket for adjusting the dish to your tastes.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 28, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Whew, it's taken a while to do all the backboodling from last night.

You go, LiT girl!

No way anybody in THIS household will ever root for Dook! It's genetically impossible. So, GWE, we'll be rooting for WV with you!

Easter dinner! I'm thinking ham with asparagus and beyond that I dunno, except there needs to be chocolate for dessert. Maybe brownie trifle:

1 recipe brownies, prepared and baked
2 cartons chocolate mousse, prepared (I like dark chocolate mousse)
2 8 oz cartons Cool Whip
Heath toffee bits

In a trifle bowl, crumble half the brownies. Cover with half the mousse and then one carton of Cool Whip. Sprinkle toffee bits on top of the Cool Whip. Repeat layers until the bowl is full. Cover with plastic wrap and chill until time to serve. (You may sprinkle Kahlua on the brownie crumbles if you wish.)

Posted by: slyness | March 28, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

slyness, email, some, could ya?!

Posted by: russianthistle | March 28, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I trust Marcella Hazan for Italian cooking. And of course I have often referred to Claudia Roden for Middle-Eastern (egyptian/lebanese/iraqi/iranian) things stuff. Cuisine from the Axis of Evil as I've heard her refer to in an interview.

There's nothing wrong about adjustments Weed. You're not really cooking if you're not adjusting.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 28, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

SD!!!! My favorite cookbook is The Classic Pasta Cookbook by Giuliano Hazan. Give me the simple stuff. Puttanesca. Basics.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 28, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, how's Mrs. Mudge doing today after all that activity yesterday?

Posted by: MsJS | March 28, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

*faxing roses to LiT*

Well, CqP, if your pork loin were to be blessed by a rabbi, then maybe ...... But no dairy. So you couldn't serve it with a nice herbed up butter mix on top.

Weed, that were some nice pasta. I'm frenvious. But I've just eaten lunch, so I'm not as hungry as I might be.

Posted by: -ftb- | March 28, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Weed, check your email. This stuff doesn't last long, so enjoy while you can!

Posted by: slyness | March 28, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

FTB -- so my pork could be blessed? How nice. I can eat it because I am in the Catholic/Christian tribe-line, and not the two fine lines from Abraham.

But, still no dairy? A pig should not be cooked in sow's milk, right? This care to avoid the abomination of a mother's milk to cooking liquid of her child?

So, blessed pig for me but not in milk of any animal mother?

St. Francis And The Sow

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The bud
stands for all things,
even those things that don't flower,
for everything flowers, from within, of self-blessing;
though sometimes it is necessary
to reteach a thing its loveliness,
to put a hand on its brow
of the flower
and retell it in words and in touch
it is lovely
until it flowers again from within, of self-blessing;
as St. Francis
put his hand on the creased forehead
of the sow, and told her in words and in touch
blessings of earth on the sow, and the sow
began remembering all down her thick length,
from the earthen snout all the way
through the fodder and slops to the spiritual curl of
the tail,
from the hard spininess spiked out from the spine
down through the great broken heart
to the blue milken dreaminess spurting and shuddering
from the fourteen teats into the fourteen mouths sucking
and blowing beneath them:
the long, perfect loveliness of sow.

Galway Kinnell

Wow. Poems exist for all occasions and boodle threads.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the tags in that post. Trying to find Linda Pastan's Passover poem, that begins with something like:

I set my table with metaphor....not finding this, here is one:

The Quarrel

by Linda Pastan
If there were a monument
to silence, it would not be
the tree whose leaves
murmur continuously
among themselves;

nor would it be the pond
whose seeming stillness
is shattered
by the quicksilver
surfacing of fish.

If there were a monument
to silence, it would be you
standing so upright, so unforgiving,
your mute back deflecting
every word I say.

Poem copyright © 2007 by Linda Pastan, Reprinted from “Solo Café 2: Oppression & Forgiveness,” Vol. 2, Solo Press, 2007.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

A clever poem for each event,
And a way to cook each noodle.
Yea, what could be more heaven sent
Than communing on the boodle?

Posted by: MsJS | March 28, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I've never entirely wrapped my head around that particular Hebraic prohibition. Is it OK to eat a cheeseburger made from beef & goat cheese? Seems like that would solve the problem of mother's milk.

I remember quite some time (years, I think) ago somebody in this space saying that they'd had a really good Reuben sandwich (there's me going on about the damned Reubens again!) at a kosher deli. When I pointed out that it seemed unlikely, they assured me that they knew whereof they spoke. Is there a special dispensation for Reubens?

Posted by: bobsewell | March 28, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse


So, you mean the Swiss cheese part? Is that mandatory?

I would think that corned beef with sauerkraut on dark bread are the main components.

Ah, you mean the Russian dressing part?

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps only if the deli owner's name is Reuben. Dunno. I never studied Judaism and never (and I mean *never*) follow the dietary laws. Anybody who comes between me and some good shellfish will pay a very high price!

That being said, and atheist that I am, I figure that nobody's going to ask if I'm a believer before they try to kill me. And that, for me, portrays the idiocy of "belief" if that belief is to be used for evil rather than for good.

Mudge knows much more than I do about all this stuff. In all probability, so does CqP. I hereby delegate to them to hash it all out -- which brings us full circle, indeed. Presumably, hash with a fried or poached egg on top has gotta violate something. Even a healthy dose of hot sauce couldn't cure it. Not that it wouldn't be good, in retrospect.

Posted by: -ftb- | March 28, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Sandwiches are tricky.

A meat-based sandwich can't use bread with dairy (butter) in it, and a dairy-based sandwich can't use bread with lard in it. So most kosher bread is made with neither so it can go with anything.

The Reuben sandwiches at my local kosher deli contain no cheese and the sauce is also dairy-free. They're still called Reubens, though.

Posted by: MsJS | March 28, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Ah, back to food. Not only is it not drivel, it is positively enriching. Nourishing, if you will. I had a bad week and, like RD, will go to work tomorrow to sort out bones-of-civilization, bad-decision, no-boundary stuff which certainly winds up in print, in our newspapers anyway. Even at its most serious the Boodle is an outlet and an inoculation.

MsJS, you forgot the most important point: what time is Easter dinner? I don't want to be late.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 28, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing about 4:30

Posted by: MsJS | March 28, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Tennessee & Michigan St. have a real barnburner going into the half...

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 28, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, I'd entirely forgotten to check my astrology/astronomy charts. The Naval Observatory tells me that last Saturday was the vernal equinox, and that the full moon is on Tuesday (or so), so I guess Passover & Easter must be upon us. Do I recall correctly that the Greeks (& other Orthodox) are sharing the same dates this year?

Posted by: bobsewell | March 28, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Loomis, your logic in associating LiT's following common RC Lenten practice with the issues of abuse is unfathomable to me. Like I were to hold *you* responsible for events at Abu Ghraib because you voted in the 2000 election and are a US citzen, and didn't speak up when and where *I* could hear you. Seems like you're grasping at something to hurl rather than considering the information you're being presented.

Again, if you're hearing the same thing over and over from different people (or if you prefer, several different sources providing the same data), doesn't logic dictate that this data may be worthy of consideration?

Sheesh, loomis.


Posted by: -bc- | March 28, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Well, bc, as I have pointed out over and over, what loomis wants is attention. She manipulates us with outrageous accusations, we respond to her predominantly in a negative fashion, and she gets what she wants.

It reminds me of my brother (the psychoanalyst), who likewise manipulates people by making them angry. And those who rise to the bait express the anger that is much, much too terrifying for him to express himself. The degree of his anger is to the level of annihilation. That's what he really wants, but recognizes (at some deep level) that to annihilate others wouldn't be good for him or for his psychoanalytic practice. So he manipulates others to express his anger for him. After more than 60 decades of observance of his modus operandi, i suspect that I am much more aware of this than he is.

I observe the same tendencies in loomis. She's pissed that she has a rare disorder -- and appears to use it as an excuse to make us angry for her that she has it. From what I understand from authorities in the field, many people with rare disorders have a "difficult personality" -- well, indeed.

By uttering racist views or by filling the Boodle with her massive geneology over and over again, yet wishing to restrict the rest of us to stay way away from matters that interest us, if only to concentrate on her and whatever she thinks is important.

Note that even if what we express to her and about her is negative, she keeps comin' back for more. It's like mother's milk to her. Which shouldn't be used with a pork loin.

Posted by: -ftb- | March 28, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

FTP -- this is the delish dinner this evening that I have.

One of many variations on pasta in the manner of a very, very, very busy sportin' gal.

Pasta of your choice. Red gravy of your choice. Now, the bottom layer, which depends on what you have in your cans in the larder. I will open

artichokes in water
black olive slices

In a small sauce pan, heat olive oil and add garlic. I like to squeeze roasted garlic into the pan. But, even garlic powder will do. DO NOT USE GARLIC SALT...too salty.

Drain the 'chokies, olives, and caper before tossing them into the oil-garlic slurry...cook and watch the canned veggie comestables, until they are heated and flavored but not limp.

Meanwhile, your past and gravy are warm.

In a large bowl, layer the olive oil layer, then the pasta, then the gravy. Top with parma or the locatelli as it is salty.


Nice cold the next day.

Workin' gal pasta. Easy and hot and then back to work with y'll.

Salty -- don't eat it every day. Now that spring is upon us, instead, get spring veggies and do this fresh.

But workin' gal pasta is lovely in the winter, when you have little energy to cook.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

OK, who said pie? I was avoiding pie and succeeding. Sigh.

Cherry? Blackberry? Hmmm. No. Peach and Mango methinks. Or maybe I will make NINE large size tarts instead. At least that way I won't have to make the crust.

Posted by: --dr-- | March 28, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Frosti, this one's for you!

"I said I had very serious concerns that Barack Obama had anti-American views. And now I look like Nostradamus."
-- Rep. Michele Bachmann

-Quoted on the Doonesbury@Slate page...

Posted by: slyness | March 28, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Mmmmmmm. Peach and mango pie/tarts. Worth going over the border for.

*excuse the dangling preposition, pls*

Posted by: -ftb- | March 28, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I've heard of Bagna càuda. On Babylon 5, the Security Chief Michael Garibaldi describes it. Made my mouth water

Be sure to serve a fine red wine with that hot bath. I recommend a Pinot Noir


Posted by: omni3 | March 28, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Another of those tropes that I trot out periodically is that all negative emotions are some manifestation of fear. It may or may not be a rational fear, but it's real enough for their purposes.

Posted by: bobsewell | March 28, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Why is it still called a jump ball if nobody ever has to jump for it?

Posted by: yellojkt | March 28, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Well now, if my Wolverines didn't make it into the tournament this year (at least the NCAA tournament), it's nice to see the Spartans go further. I only saw the ending, though, and now I'm back to what might pass for work. Or something.

Posted by: -ftb- | March 28, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

My dietary restrictions are very simple: if I like it, I eat it; if not, not

Anyhoo, I pretty sure this is Kosher:

potatoes au gratin

8-10 medium white potatoes sliced thin
1-2 onions chopped fine
1/3 cup flour
salt and pepper
1/3-1/2 cup margarine
1 quart soymilk

Oil 9x13 in (23x33 cm) casserole pan and build layers
start with potatoes
sprinkle with chopped onions, flour, salt and pepper, dot with margarine
repeat, top layer sans flour
pour soymilk until top layer almost covered
cover with foil
bake 30 minutes at 350º (176 C)
uncover and bake another thirty minutes till potatoes are tender

I've made this several times. The best Gratin without cheese ever.

Posted by: omni3 | March 28, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

My first rule of eating, omni, overheard by a friend in an elevator long ago: Food should never hurt.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 28, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

You know, slyness, Bachmann does look kind of like Nostradamus. I think it's the eyes.

Posted by: rashomon | March 28, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

That is to say, the *crazy* eyes.

Posted by: rashomon | March 28, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Unless it is a vindaloo or something else that is supposed to hurt so good.

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Omni, rub the baking dish with garlic cloves, substitute real butter for margarine and real milk for the vile soya extract and you've got gratin dauphinois. A classic.

This is Witch no.2's sweet sixteen BD. I can't believe it. But still I'll make baked potatoes with the sour cream/green onions/capers garnish, steamed asparagus and BBQed bavette.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 28, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

What, Chef Simply Divine, is this bavette?

Must we log in to your secret site with PayPal?

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Bavette. Hmm. Is that a little Bav? A baby Bavey? A bavette sounds like it is little, and has four little, pointed paws, a pointy snout, and pointy ears. It could have spines, or a row of soft spikes down the back. I think fur, rather than scales.

Or perhaps a bavette is from a small bear. Every 16-year-old needs more bear.

The Boy was startled recently to discover that nobody else in one of his classes knew what an echidna was. More zoo for them!

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 28, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Beverage question. As I understand it a Dark & Stormy is ginger beer and dark rum. I just happen to have both. What are the proportions? Half and half? 3/4 beer to 1/4 rum? Beer with a rum splash?

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 28, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think that echidnas (-ae?) are quite adorable. I mean, if you're relegated to eat ants to survive, then I think you should look awfully cute while doing it.

I might have enjoyed SD's BBQed bavette during the years when I was a meat-eater. Sounds good, anyway, for the carnivores among us.

I think it's time that the morning's newspaper has marinated enough to be old news by now, and suitable to read and fall asleep over. Yep -- it's done, by golly!

Posted by: -ftb- | March 28, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

A bavette de flanchet is flank steak (beef or horse). A bavette d'aloyau is part of the sirloin but I haven't been able to find a satisfactory translation (all I found was flank steak, which it is not). So we're having bavette d'aloyau until a better name is found. The aloyau is the Porterhouse/T-bone steak. The bavette hangs just south of it on the belly.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 28, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

About 4 to 1, I think. Six oz. ginger beer and 1.5 oz. rum over ice. Feel free to vary from there as you please.

Posted by: MsJS | March 28, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, MsJS. This sounds appealing to my sneeziness.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 28, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

There is a pair of quiches ready to assemble soon. Some chopped kale got parboiled and then upon examination quick-fried in some bacon fat for further correctness. There is sauteed onion, crumbled bacon and sauteed mushrooms at the ready, the pie shells defrosted. The lack of cream will be addressed with extra cheddar cheese. If only the other project, the peanuts, would finish up in the 275 oven! It's been hours now and they are still damp. Soon.

Posted by: Jumper1 | March 28, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Bagna càuda? Is that some sort of Centauri delicacy?

It's one shot of rum over ice and as much ginger beer as it takes to fill the glass. The twist of lime is optional. And now I'm thirsty.

I need some booze as my heart fights against my wallet in the Duke game.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 28, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Geez, you guys! I'm ravenous. How about one of those "traveling" dinners? You know, we go from house to house, eating as we go. And at the end, we need a forklift to take us back to our respective abodes.

It has to be dinnertime somewhere in the world, eh?

Posted by: -ftb- | March 28, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure border gaurds are OK with dangling participles if you cross the border. Come for pie!

Posted by: --dr-- | March 28, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Osso buco stewing away and I'm about to cook up some polenta to serve with it.

Windy3 and I had a mini-BPH last night at her niece's (my neighbor's daughter) wedding. A lovely time was had by all, including the bride and groom. They were having such a good time it was absolutely infectious.

LiT, you would appreciate the bride's choice of footwear. Under a gorgeous gown with art deco details was a pair of strappy red FMPs.

Posted by: Raysmom | March 28, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Nostradamus? Did someone mention Nostradamus?

While I'm always open to new data, I think James Randi has already told me everything I need to know about Nostradamus.

[Sorry for the tinyURL, but I had to pull that one from the Google cached archives of New Scientist articles, and it was ridiculously long. The full URL follows.)

Posted by: bobsewell | March 28, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

shriek -- is it hanger steak?

Posted by: nellie4 | March 28, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

or a flat iron steak?

Posted by: nellie4 | March 28, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm certainly no LiT, but I appreciate the bride's choice of footwear.

Posted by: bobsewell | March 28, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

OK, now, back to the subject at hand. [There was one, in case you've forgotten.]

The problem, as I see it, is how to keep our beer cold, but not frozen, outside earth orbit. And to keep it at the proper atmospheric pressure until it's time to allow those glorious bubbles their moment of release. And to get it there to begin with. Because any reasonable technology which can move beer a few Earth radii out, and maintain it at about 275-280 degrees Kelvin should (with minor scaling-up) suffice to move human critters adequately.

Posted by: bobsewell | March 28, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Rashomon, you are right, the resemblance is uncanny! Evil eyes, indeed!

Posted by: slyness | March 28, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, Bob, if launching beer while keeping it nice and cold is your thing, there's this:

I am so easily amused.

(Sorry about the commercial.)

Posted by: rashomon | March 28, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

btw, Dark 'n Stormy is a trademark of Gosling's, maker of Black Seal Rum, one of the few cocktail names that are legally intellectual property.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 28, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Hanger steak is the onglet (barely ever available in these parts) and it's a tougher meat. The flat iron is part of the shoulder, its alternative name is the top blade steak and again its a tougher meat.
The bavette is at the bottom of the sirloin, in the belly just behing the back leg.
I think the best name is skirt steak, when the so-called skirt steak is cut properly that is. I've seen illustrations of skirt steaks that were flank steaks, really, but others were clearly bavettes d'aloyau. So I think skirt steak it is.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 28, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Wiki doesn't agree with me. They make skirt steak a tough cut way forward under the ribs... sigh.
More research is needed.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 28, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

you need a highball glass
fill with ice
2 oz or 60 ml dark rum
fill to top with Ginger Beer (or less if you want a stronger taste of rum)
squeeze slice of lime and drop it in

Posted by: omni3 | March 28, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I had shrimp and scallops tossed in with my workin' gal pasta this evening but talk of steak makes me yearn for the range family's delight:

Tri-tip: Also known as a culotte steak or triangle steak, the tri-tip is a triangular-shaped portion of top sirloin.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

shriek, I think a bavette d'aloyau is most often called a bottom sirloin (which sort of makes sense). It is a favourite; tougher but more flavourful than a filet or rib steak, not as tough as flank steak. I'd rather chew a bit longer for that rich flavour.

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Bingo. Bottom sirloin flap steak. Extreme bottom sirloin if you wish. It's not usually separated from the bottom sirloin, so this muscle, the obliquus internus abdominis apparently, is normally sold as a part of the bottom sirloin steak.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 28, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I am remiss, though. Hippo Birdies to SD's darling dot who is SweetiePieSixteen this weekend, right?

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I love bavette/flap steak Yoki, it doesn't need the marinating that benefits flank steak. It's a useful property on busy nights.
I buy it at the butcher shop but I've seen the cut appearing in megastores lately. That's good, customers getting more sophisticated about their food. .

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 28, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Swashbuckling dude movie on PBS this evening:

Sharpe's Challenge, based on the Cornwall books about the pennisular war...though this tale takes us to India.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday to Witch #2, Shriek!! :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 28, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Thank you CQP!!! I would have missed Sharpe if not for your alert. I was on Netflix last night hoping the first 16 were available for instant viewing (not) and I fear Mr. F is not as appreciative of Sean Bean as I. Clogging the queue with Masterpiece Theatre is not done when one wants family peace.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | March 28, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Her real BD is next Wednesday CqP. She was born on a Good Thursday, just past midnight, if there were such a thing as Good Thursday. Mrs. D. and the baby left the hospital early on the Saturday before Easter. It was that or else the next opportunity would have been the following Tuesday. Darn socialist system.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 28, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

During the summer, I really like a version of that drink with a golden rum and a couple of pieces of crystalized ginger stirred in. Those sugary ginger pieces are delicious after they've been soaking in the ginger beer and rum for awhile, too.

ftb, thanks for your insights earlier this afternoon.


Posted by: -bc- | March 28, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: DNA_Girl | March 28, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Good evening, Boodle.

I see I have much catch-up work to do. First things first.

To e-mann: No, Chopped Liver is NOT available as a Boodle handle, IIRC. The reason is the oft-asked rhetorical question, "What am I? Chopped liver?" In order for this question to remain viable, the personage of Chopped Liver must remain blank, according to the Boodle Naming Convention. Otherwise, if someone really *were* Chopped Liver, then the question lacks substance, because someone someday might just answer, "No, he's Chopped Liver, over there."

I would check to make sure this is correct, except today is Sunday, and try as I might, I just can't get Scotty to come into the shop steward's office on Sundays. He seems to insist it is his "day off," and I can't break him of the habit.

Now, I *can* report that "Paddy JHo" is on permanent hold as a Boodle handle, until such time as its rightful owner, the Countess of Calgary, claims it. Otherwise, it must remain on inactive status.

Mrs. Mudge and her vertebrae are in fine shape, MsJS, thanks for asking. She starts back on her treadmill tomorrow morning, after a 6-week lay-off due to back problems.

The brisket was to die for. Melt-in-your-mouth good. (It was the recipe in the Post last week.)

Padouk, I really wish you hadn't mentioned cherry pie. You know how we talk about tune cooties? Well, now I've got the worst food cootie.

18 minutes until Part 3 of "The Pacific."


Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 28, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse


SCC: Paddy Jo.

Now, the question of kosher was raised, with special reference to mixing meat and milk. To answer CqP's query, the mixing of pork and sow's milk is especially contentious, since one isn't supposed to eat pork in the firt place. So in a way, it is perfectly OK to mix those two.

Now, although the language in Deuteronomy [the Hebrew word for "killjoy"] would seem to imply only "mother's milk" is the problem, no, one cannot mix one's animals with other animals' milk.

The Torah does not actually explain the reasons why the kosher rules exist; it basically comes down to the Big Guy saying "Because I said so, bubbe." This has caused Jews no end of grief, which of course is what God had in mind all along. Like he cares about cheeseburgers, ya know?

From the time of Maimonides, the notion has arisen that the kosher laws had a health basis behind them, and for a millenium that has been given as the general explanation. Lately, however, that explanation has started to fade, and some Jewish scholars, named Shecky and Heshie, have advanced the idea that they were more symbolic than actually useful health rules. (Like eating fish on Fridays. Like, what is *that* all about? Ya know? Same thing. "Because I said so.") Shecky, Heshie and some others have advanced the idea that a lot of stuff about God is supposed to be unknowable, so when He gets a little crazy like He is often wont to do, Jews just shrug and say, "Meh. He's meshuganah today, go figure."


Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 28, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I hear Gin and Ginger Ale is good.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 28, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Not just Jews 'mudge.

The architect who created this world
what an empty, solid foundation he laid
as a lesson to humanity
he created mortals part by part
he established the order in this way
then he withdrew and waited
he gave to Veysel all sorts of pain
and set him to seeking a remedy...

Asik Veysel, Turkish poet - 1894-1973

Posted by: DNA_Girl | March 28, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse


Now, I know what a lot of you are thinking. But Mudge, you say, what about giraffe meat and giraffe milk?

I hear you. And until 2008, this was always one of the most perplexing issues in all of Judaism, so perplexing in fact, that this is why there are no great deli sandwiches featuring giraffe. Did you ever hear of a Jew walking into a good deli and saying, "Sammy, gimme the Long Neck on Pumpernickle, but lean, hear me? Lean, Sammy. And with the Thousand Island"? No, of course not.

Two years ago, a board of rabbis decided that giraffes are kosher, and therefore so is their milk. A giraffe chews its cud and has split hooves, a requirement. But what happened in 2008 was that some veterinarians treating a sick giraffe in a zoo in Israel discovered that giraffe milk curdles. It is the ability of milk to curdle (not all milks do this) that helps define what is kosher. No curdling? No kosher.

You will note the massive error in the URL: vets don't decide what is kosher, rabbis do. The vets merely discovered the curdling.

Factoid: only about a sixth of Jews follow kosher rules. This is why crabcakes are so expensive.

Factoid: There are 613 laws in the Torah. Jews divide them into two categories: mishpatim, laws that have something of a rational explanation, and chikum, laws that do not (called the "gofigureem").

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 28, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

IIRC, the laws in Elizabethan England about eating fish on Friday were intended to support and stimulate the fishing trade...

Posted by: slyness | March 28, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse


Onglet = hanger (or hangar) steak
Bavette d'aloyau = skirt steak
Bavette de flanchet = flank steak
Flat Iron = Top Blade (trimmed properly)

Have no clue why I might speak up on this.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 28, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

'cause you're The Meat Department?

Posted by: Yoki | March 28, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Gar. I've been eating a lot of pasta and veggies lately and this steak discussion is starting to get to me. I like PnV, you understand, but variety is nice. I have a sirloin in the refrigerator which I intend to marinate, sear and cook quickly in an iron skillet, and slice for serving - if I can ever get my family home together and hungry at supper time. Gosh darn theater.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 28, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

thank you Mudge for a timely explanation.

In tonight's Simpsons, they went to Israel. Homer became the new False Messiah.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 28, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Interesting day on the boodle, we have a brand new fridge in our home, with lots of room for faxed leftover. Much amusement getting the fridge into the house, small issue of squeezing it through the front door and then squeezing it in to the opening for the fridge. this involved removing the front door, handles on the fridge, cutting away the cabinet for the fridge. But it is now in and looks good, old fridge was moved to the garage to serve as a beverage fridge and extra freezer.

All this was done while suffering a day long headache that will not go away, also watched both girls play their final playoff game of hockey, both in losing efforts but they played great and had fun. At the end of todays game eldest skated over to give her dad a bear hug to thank him for the great coaching all season long, a touching father daughter moment that choked me up.

SD - happy sweet sixteen to your daughter.

Posted by: dmd3 | March 28, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

The WaPo home page photo box has a neat photo of the very rare flying whale. I remember crossing the Indian Ocean late one night in about 1720 or 1721 when we ran into a whole school of flying whales. Kept us awake all night, rounding them up as they flopped on board, and we had to throw them back over the side. They were pretty docile, though, for 40-foot creatures.

Wrecked the hell out of our deck, though, I can tell you.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 28, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

The Post reports that the State of Utah will be using its new eminent domain law to seize federal lands within its borders. It would be fun if they'd also seize some pieces of Idaho and Nevada.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | March 28, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

those flat hanging steaks --

Hanger steak at Mustard's in the Napa Valley. The first thing I ate there, and so good I have never ordered anything else.

Flat Iron steak at Hoppe's up in Cayucos. Equally as good.

Wonderful dishes, braised meat and lovely sauce. May I suggest Peachy Canyon Incredible Red to go with that?

Posted by: nellie4 | March 28, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

As Mr. Mudge can probably attest, I walked through the rain with my dinner groceries--and ate cheaply but well. Six or seven boneless country style pork ribs rubbed with salt, garlic powder, pepper (black and red) and a bit of chili powder and then to the grill. I drizzled a tomatillo sauce and key lime juice on the ribs as they grilled.

Once they were ready, I sliced them thinly on an angle and then added to a cheese quesadilla that was about to be tossed on the griddle. Topped with some sour cream and a bit more lime juice and chopped jalapenos.

Very tasty, if I do say so myself. Possibly $1.50 to $2.00 per serving--not bad.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 28, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Nellie, I hope this doesn't gross people out, but I wanted to point out that there is just one Hanger steak per bovine unit.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 28, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Same with the tri tip, RT. My dad used to be paid in sides of beef. One year he did something really nice for a ranching fried. A freezer full of trip tip steaks came to the garage. I cooked this with my 4H group for the fair, where our group won a blue ribbon.

Apparently, trip tip is shipped west to Oregon and CA where people ask for this by name. Will have to befriend a butcher. With the demise of Giant into the Royal Ahold people, I do not really know a butcher anymore.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 28, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I was saying that I took the Miller Brewery Tour last Fall. I finally got the pictures posted. Here they are:

This particular photo is of the Pabst Mansion owned by Captain Frederick Pabst.

He made his fortune as a sea captain and then brought beer to the Midwest.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 28, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Yoki | March 29, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Golly gee?

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 29, 2010 5:16 AM | Report abuse

Language, people, language! There may be little ears eavesdropping on the boodle.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 29, 2010 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Gee willickers!

Posted by: yellojkt | March 29, 2010 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Um. Good morning?

Okay, I'll say it: Good morning, and happy Monday to all. I hope others aren't looking out on a dripping landscape as I am. We had strong storms here last evening and in the night. I hope the weather will clear off so the sun can shine.

Hi Cassandra! I hope you have a good week. Hard to believe that Holy Week is here already; there is much to contemplate about the events this week remembers.

Posted by: slyness | March 29, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Good morning you all,

CqP, I remember Phil Harris's Woodman, version, way back when.

*waving at wheezie from a week ago*.

Speaking of netflex, they sent us Precious. I had a hard time watching it. I really didn't think I could watch it because the actress is so terribly fat, but I got used to that. The mother role person won an academy award, I think. She deserved it, very convincing as a monstermom.

Love catching up on the boodle.

NASA: HBO has Apollo 13 on a lot, very good flick. Holds up well.

Posted by: VintageLady | March 29, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

CqP!!! Good to mention the tri-tip. There are two -- l.5 to 2.5 pounds. Off the the Center cut sirloin and Ball Tip. Truth is that most shops don't get them in when ordering sub-primals. They are all removed and shipped to the West Coast as you so interestingly observed.

There is just one tongue and one hanging tender (Hanger Steak) or Onglet per animal.

A Brazilian friend talks of Churrascarias in the area and how great they are. I can only imagine. His favorite cut is the Picanha and I found out that it is the Rump cover steak which is part of the Top Sirloin. When you buy sirloins and, instead of a large steak, you see maybe two or three 1 by 3 inch steaks wrapped together, that is the Brazilian favorite cut into cross steaks with the fat cap trimmed. So, you can get the Picanha roast at a local market, if you want and you find the right cutter.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 29, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning Everyone.

Twas a foggy morning. But, fortunately, no ghost pirates with homicidal intent. Nor, alas, Adrienne Barbeau.

Good to see you VL! I hope you are doing well.

It will be a busy day around here.

I do so hate it when this happens.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 29, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

*headaches-make-snappy-repartee-difficult Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 29, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

RD... We would expect nothing more from you in your secret lab.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 29, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Snuke, feel better soon.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 29, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Methinks somebody had a few too many Dark 'N Stormies™ while watching the NCAA Regionals.

Did I mention I have a couple of hundred dollars at stake on the Duke-WV game?

Posted by: yellojkt | March 29, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. I read part of the boodle, and you guys are crazy.

My son and I used to watch Fawlty Towers when he would get off work at night from the burger place. It was a crazy sitcom, and we enjoyed it so much. A nice memory.

As for the kit, I don't know. The questions I'm sure were good, but the answers weren't really answers, were they? I mean it was double-speak, right? It lacked detail. Didn't the questions sort of ask for details?

Slyness, I spent yesterday in the emergency room at the hospital here. I went to church, but while fixing the water for the ministers, lost my breath and it was scary. I have asthma, but this was different. Decided it was best to get it checked out. I'm okay. Just severe acid reflux. I've been to the hospital before for that. Will just take it easy today.
I saw on television where you folks had some bad weather your way. Hope no one was seriously hurt.

Scotty, hope you feel better as the day moves forward.

Vintage Lady, good to hear from you, and hope you are in good health. I haven't seen the movie Precious yet, but I want to. It's interesting what you said about viewing the movie. It was hard for you to watch because the person playing that role was so fat. In that case, I would be hard on your eye too.

And everyone enjoy your day. Love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | March 29, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Checking the WaPo tourney picks. Joel has fallen to seventh. Not one of his Final Four picks made the cut, so he has topped out. Roxanne Roberts has a commanding lead. Both Roberts and second place Jen Cheney have Duke beating WV, so no possible change there unless some dark horse has the Mountaineers going all the way.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 29, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Catholic Church Wall of Shame: Part 1: Britain (round-the-world tour)

Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, Archbishop of Westminster and leader of the Church, appointed a priest, Michael Hill, whom he knew was suspected of pedophile activities, and who was later found guilty of nine sexual attacks, to the position of chaplain at Gatwick Airport, where he still had access to children.

The Archbishop of Cardiff, John Aloysius Ward failed to take actions gainst not one but two pedophile priests. Ward ordained Father Joe Jordan, later jailed for eight years for sexually abusing boys despite clear warnings from a fellow bishop that Jordan was an unsitable candidate. that he was alredy excluded from teaching and was a potential abuser. In the late 1990s, John Lloyd, Ward's press officer, received a sentence for eight years for indecent assaults on children.

I share these today because NYT's conservative Catholic commentator Ross Douthat has written an ill-informed, poorly researched piece at today's New York Times about the sex abuse scandal occurring under Benedict's watch and during Ratzilla's time as cardinal. So poorly researched is it that portions of it--the permissive sexual culture of the 1970s and the era's overemphasis on therapy--are hugely laughable. (And what is the deal with ABC News having an exclusive from the Pope this morning, the morning news show effectively acting as stenographer or bullhorn for the Pope? George S., you can do better than this...and where are the changes to format that you and Westin discussed?)

And today, from San Antonio, education and religion are also in the news. Trinity University, in an effort to expand diversity on campus, has increased its enrollment, from 1 percent to 9 percent of international students. Now, some of these students want the words "our Lord" removed from the campus diploma, which is raising the hackles of big donors to the historically Prewsbyterian university and creating a small conundrum for the new president:

Posted by: laloomis | March 29, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Did someone mention Adrienne Barbeau?

This is a clip from 1989's immortal "Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death" (PG) starring Shannon Tweed in a rare appearance with her clothes on, Bill Maher attempting and failing to act, and the aforementioned AB as the villainous Dr. Kurtz. She shows up about the 3 minute mark urging the gals to sacrifice Maher. Memorable, but not quite up to her "Swamp Thing" standards. This one is probably NSFW!

Posted by: kguy1 | March 29, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I would be remiss if I didn't talk about a little-known story--about a young woman, a bright academic, a prodigious researcher, who set off to follow a line of inquiry, but found instead something mysterious and pursued it to its end. If I don't mention this young woman--a European woman, not an American woman, her journey, I'm afraid it may be relegated to the dustbin of history. Her journey has a really amazing twist at its end. For the time being, let's just call her Lisa.

As Lisa tells it, she arrived in Florence as a naive 21-year-old student. She had been accepted by the Eurpean University Intitute, supposedly the creme de la creme of the European Continent's studenthood, to pursue a doctoral degree. The organization strictly limited its student body by nationality--allowing only four Danes, pnly one Luxembourgeois, and a rahter larger number of Italians, nine, who would study at the a former abbey, the Badia Fiesolana, on a hillside overlooking Florence, and who would initially live, sleep and eat together in a crumbling 17th century palazzo in the northen outskirts of Florence.

Lisa was scrambling to nail down the subject of her doctoral thesis. Her goal was to study education reform in the 17th century, but she had no clear plan about where to begin. Te Scottish professor who interviewed her for her slot in the program suggested she talk to a local church official whose religious order could possibly be of major importance in the history of education and whose archives-he believed--were quite nearby-- a short walk across the cloisters.

[more each day this week]

Posted by: laloomis | March 29, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

‘morning all. I hope there is a specially hot and smelly place in Hades for the grease monkeys who torque wheel nuts until their super charged pneumatic wrenches give up.
I could only get one out of five nuts off the first wheel I tried to unbolt. So I sprayed penetrating oil on all nuts of all wheel and went to change the wheels on the other car. Even after an hour a couple of nuts required application of excessive force, which means my back and shoulders are reminding me this morning that I’m not 25 anymore.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 29, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death" is a great title. Not only does it grab you on some lizard brain level, but the story practically writes itself. Though why anyone would practice cannibalism when surrounded by tasty avocados is beyond me.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 29, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I-mom, when I think Bill Maher, I think guacamole.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 29, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

To me Adrienne Barbeau shall always remain pure, untouched, and forever endangered.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 29, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

In yet another quirky coincidence, the men's NCAA hoops tournament featured Duke vs. Baylor in an Elite 8 matchup.

The women's tourney features the same game today.

*cue TTZ theme music*

Having never seen the movie, is it the cannibal women or the avocado jungle that are/is deadly? The title implies the latter, but if that were the case AB would play Queen Avocado Pit or some other green-tinged character, right?

Posted by: MsJS | March 29, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Hey -- new Kit, all about closets and the valuable (once, perhaps) junk therein.

Posted by: -ftb- | March 29, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Hey RDP, good to see you, too!

Cassandra, I'm feeling fine.

Cassandra, we have met. It was at the International Boodle Porching Hour. In my opinion, you are pleasantly plump. I am also heavy, but not so much that the doctors worry about my weight.

I hope you can click on this link:

It should take you to a selection of youtube links which include the young actress whom I view as terribly fat. Her health must be at risk. She plays the role of a teenager in high school. In reality she is about 26 years old. She reminds me of the candidates on a TV series about people competing to lose weight.

Please do not ever consider yourself to be in the category of this young woman, weightwise, as she must be close to 300 lbs. Clearly she has great talent and her weight may not bother her at all. As I said, it was hard for me to watch her at first, but I got over it.

Posted by: VintageLady | March 29, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

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