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Obama's mainstreamism

With all due respect to those who believe Obama is a crazed, Alinsky-tutored, Ayers-befriending radical, and that the health-care reform plan is a Marxist-Leninist plot at the highest level of government, and that death panel members will draw fingers across their throats when granny asks for dialysis -- and so on -- the Obama administration strikes me as fundamentally mainstream. It even has a few (relatively) conservative redoubts. Afghanistan is just one example of Obama breaking with the Left. In general, as Matt Yglesias has written, he has taken more centrist positions even when it has disappointed liberals. Paul Krugman was appalled, for example, that the stimulus package last year wasn't a whole lot bigger. His education secretary, Arne Duncan, advocates policies that are anathema to unions (here's an abstract of a story on Duncan in The New Yorker). And via Mike Allen, we see that Atul Gawande of The New Yorker says that the health-care plan gives extraordinary responsibility to local communities to find ways to bring down costs:

"The most interesting, under-discussed, and potentially revolutionary aspect of the law is that it doesn't pretend to have the answers. Instead, through a new Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation, it offers to free communities and local health systems from existing payment rules, and let them experiment with ways to deliver better care at lower costs. In large part, it entrusts the task of devising cost-saving health-care innovation to communities like Boise and Boston and Buffalo, rather than to the drug and device companies and the public and private insurers that have failed to do so. This is the way costs will come down -- or not. That's the one truly scary thing about health reform: far from being a government takeover, it counts on local communities and clinicians for success."

My guess is that, in coming months, Obama and his top aides will suddenly discover that they are fiscal hawks [I just noticed the Fred Hiatt column on this] and will champion fiscal prudence (to the hoots and hollers of the GOP, not that it was exactly fiscally prudent when it had power). Because there's really no alternative, if you believe CBO [and Bob Samuelson]:

"Those accumulating deficits will push federal debt held by the public to significantly higher levels. At the end of 2009, debt held by the public was $7.5 trillion, or 53 percent of GDP; by the end of 2020, debt is projected to climb to $15 trillion, or 67 percent of GDP. With such a large increase in debt, plus an expected increase in interest rates as the economic recovery strengthens, interest payments on the debt are poised to skyrocket. CBO projects that the government's annual spending on net interest will more than triple between 2010 and 2020 in nominal terms, from $207 billion to $723 billion, and will more than double as a share of GDP, from 1.4 percent to 3.2 percent."


One of my favorite blogs is the Knight Science Journalism Tracker, and not just because once in a while I get to see my own name in lights. Writer Charles Petit critiques our news judgment, cites errors, corrects misapprehensions, calls out balderdash. It's the only place I know where I can quickly compare how different organizations covered a big science story. Bookmark this one.


Must read: Those "real people" reviews you see online for restaurants, salons, etc.? Paid for. It's one scam after another. You can't trust this Internet thing. Bring back Old Media!!!!


Also a must-read: Ian Shapira's piece on how 26 is the new 18.

"In its bureaucratic way, the government's restructuring of health care sets a new starting point for independent adulthood: no longer at age 18 or 21, but deep into the 20s. The new health-care benefit, to take effect in six months, acknowledges the economic and social forces -- the grim job market and delays in marriage and childbearing -- that have kept the millennial generation, those generally in their 20s, more dependent on their elders than their parents had been."

By Joel Achenbach  |  March 29, 2010; 11:43 AM ET
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There really is no alternative.

Posted by: Yoki | March 29, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I agree that conventional political labels don't really apply to Obama. They never have. I've always admired him for recognizing that the solution to a complex problem typically can't be derived from a pithy slogan.

I have it on good authority that he is an extremely careful thinker who studies things exhaustively before acting. And I honestly believe that he will turn his attention increasingly towards long term debt. Which isn't to say that he will be able to succeed.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 29, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

In many ways Obama is to the right of Mitt Romney circa 2006.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 29, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, well, you guys can talk 'bout this here physical Prudence, whoever she is, all you want, but me, I still gotta hark back to the last kit, in which Joel's plaintive cri de cure was heard 'bout wantin' to be a cowboy. And such was the plaintivitude of his wish that it tetched off a major visit from the Muse, who has inspired me to write the following plaintive, heartbreaking tune

and it goes

a little something

like this:

Mamas, don't let your bloggers grow up to be cowboys
Don't let 'em pick guitars and blog at Starbucks
Make 'em be writers and space nerds and such

Mamas, don't let your bloggers grow up to be cowboys
They're always on deadline and never fact-check
Even on topics they kit

Cowboys ain't easy to love and their skin is like leather
And who wants to boff on the range
And it gets right cold on yer parts nether when yer out in the weather
Can’t cuddle when yer chilled to the bone (so to speak)

And each night begins a new day
And if you don't understand him cuz he ain’t been edited
You'll probably just turn to a new web page

Mamas, don't let your bloggers grow up to be cowboys
Don't let 'em pick guitars and blog at Starbucks
Make 'em be writers and space nerds and such

Mamas, don't let your bloggers grow up to be cowboys
They're always on deadline and never fact-check
Even on topics they kit

Cowboys hate cooking that old five-bean chili
And porching ain’t in their vast repertoires
And them that don't know him won't like what he writes
‘Bout bosons and NASA, hominemineminems and stars.

Mamas, don't let your bloggers grow up to be cowboys
Don't let 'em pick guitars and blog at Starbucks
Make 'em be writers and space nerds and such

Mamas, don't let your bloggers grow up to be cowboys
They're always on deadline and never fact-check
Even on topics they kit

Mamas, don't let your bloggers grow up to be cowboys, etc.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 29, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

And yet there will be those who swallow whole the lies like this:

"He just passed a trillion dollar, European style takeover of the health system called Obamacare." and

"We need a leader in foreign policy, not a constitutional lawyer lecturing to us from a lectern."

Heard both of these whoppers come out of Sarah Palin's mouth.

Posted by: Raysmom | March 29, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

hey mudge - how bout tech nerds!!! don't leave me out!!!! can you work multiprotocol label switching in there anywhere?


Posted by: mortii | March 29, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

And Obama's really smart too! What really impressed me right away about him was what a good writer he was. This is a link (which contains other links) about the markup of his Sept speech to Congress (You lie!):

Which makes the teleprompter meme that the Rebpublicans repeat even more ridiculous.

Posted by: seasea1 | March 29, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Here is a frightening collection of pictures for you do-it-yourselfers.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 29, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon, folks - a busy day.

Mudge, I'm going to be singing that all afternoon...

Catching up on previous Boodling - yes, I'm good with Tinkertoys and MGs, though one's a lot easier to store than the other. I occasionally thin out the periodicals, car parts (why did I need this piece from a 1969 Ford Torino again?), old clothes, and general accretion of *stuff*, but Nature abhors a vacuum (and she ain't too fond of me, either).

It'll fill back up (and more) as soon as I turn my back, it seems.

Fortunately, I didn't pick up that surplus 350+ ft. rocket launch tower I saw over the weekend. It'd be cool to have, but I'm sure the HOA would have something to say about it in my yard.

Couldn't help but notice the FEC's report on the RNC's spending. Re. that item at Voyeur - I think someone misspelled "rain" by spelling it 'm-e-a-l-s.'

A friend pointed out that they went through $100M last year - that may have been a *lot* of stormy weather for the teabag set... perhaps they just needed to spend it to feel better about themselves after the Inauguration.

Personally, I've always thought of Obama as quite centrist in many respects, and I think that's what drew many Independents during the '08 campaign.


Posted by: -bc- | March 29, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Yellojkt, last photo, not circuit breakers, "classic" knife switches! What do they say about necessity and invention?


Posted by: DLDx | March 29, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I've seen some real life Dr. Frankenstein-style open blade knife switches in operation. They terrified me. Go through one arc-flash training class and you will never look at a breaker box the same again.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 29, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Ok, reasons STILL why we need this reform. NYTimes reporting that insurance companies are figuring out HOW TO NOT INSURE CHILDREN WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS.

Pardon my shouting....

William G. Schiffbauer, a lawyer whose clients include employers and insurance companies, said: “The fine print differs from the larger political message. If a company sells insurance, it will have to cover pre-existing conditions for children covered by the policy. But it does not have to sell to somebody with a pre-existing condition. And the insurer could increase premiums to cover the additional cost.” END QUOTE

Hey: what about this idea? I want to make money. I can make plenty of money working in insurance. And, I can feel good that I provide a product that we all need. WIN-WIN!

How do these people sleep at night?

Ok, will try to find a reason to be on kit or find a fabric to comment on or some other drivelly but boodle-approved topic.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 29, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I feel so much better knowing how much worse Oboobma can get.

Believe me, the instant the pressure is off, he will revert to his inner Ayers.

So we must keep the pressure dialed up to high till high noon on 01/20/2013.

Posted by: thebump | March 29, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Thus proving my point.

Posted by: Raysmom | March 29, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

How do these people sleep at night, you ask? Very simple. They lie back in a coffin filled with the soil of Transylvania and pull the lid closed. I thought everybody knew this stuff.

Posted by: kguy1 | March 29, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Ok. I was on kit with my healthcare rant.

I missed the quick kit but loved the list of words that Mudge posted and Joel re-kitted with.

My favorite granny words were (are):

davenport (sofa, couch, really)

First, chiffarobe, which is a Sears and Robuck mashup of chiffonier and wardrobe. You may recall from Lee Harper's To Kill a Mockingbird" that plot-essential line of:

""bust up this chiffarobe" from Mayella Ewell to poor and innocent To Robinson.

Davenport is what my granny called her main sofa. The other sofa, a sofa bed, she called the "convertible."

When I hear that word, I don't think of a cool car with the top down; I think of the prickly sofa that I slept on in summers -- hot summers -- in Leavenworth, KS. She opened the convertible for fine company but not for me.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Okay, somebody remind me how much our adventure in Iraq has cost us. I don't need to be reminded about how well it turned out.

On dealing with stuff, I'm a battle-scarred veteran. We filled the dumpster twice while cleaning out my mother's thousand square foot condo, and Mr. T and his brother took three and a half years to clean out their mother's house. In the end, they hired a local antique (junk) dealer to finish the job. I've promised my kids I won't do that to them, but I'm not sure I'll be totally successful. The big issue will be Mr. T's tools. What we will do with the utility trailer and the cargo trailer I have no earthly idea.

Posted by: slyness | March 29, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Kgy -- thanks, blood sucking human parasitic, amoral vampires are least I do not have cognitive dissonance anymore.

Sharpening stakes, preparing garlic tincture, we need a peasant revolt?

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 29, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I can only stay for a min as I have a meeting to run but had to mention that Raysmom and Raysdad attended my niece's wedding this past Saturday at a big, very old (George Washington time-frame old)mansion in DC. A fun time for a couple of boodlers!

Joel--I remember the spud story too. Such fear!

Posted by: Windy3 | March 29, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

On the night the Senate health care bill passed the House, speaker Pelosi thanked a bunch of supporters who had pushed for its passage. One of the was "The United Methodist Church". That seems to have set off a revolt among the membership, which is very heavy on small businesspeople who are horrified by the legislation. I don't know that Pelosi's comment will split the denomination, but there's a lot of people looking to move to more conservative churches.

Atul Gawande's piece in the New Yorker will probably be quoted a decade from now. By then, the 2010 reform may look as badly failed as the 1980s immigration reform. I fear that medical device makers will bankrupt the country. We'll all have titanium hips and electric wheelchairs, but have to live on grits and beans, plus zucchini in season.

The only good news seems to be that Obama persuaded a superlative expert to run the health cost cutting shop.

After Reagan and W. Bush, the teleprompter must be associated with an empty mind, so I guess it's risky for Obama to use them. There must be lots of conspiracy theorists explaining how such an airhead became the consperators' puppet President.

Apart from that, Obama's showing a combination of making his opponents look good if they cooperate and beating them if they don't. That's yielded some results with health care and limiting nuclear armaments. Could Iran take the hint? Could policy toward Israel be a bit more shrewd than it looks?

Need I mention that quarterhorses are nice but not essential? Had I gotten into horse ownership, it would no doubt have been through a breeder whose Appaloosa colts often had too many spots, but excellent dispositions.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | March 29, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama mainstream? Not hardly. He is realistic in that he recognizes that to fully implement his far-left radical agenda he needs enablers in congress and that two terms are needed to completely hamstring America. He'll go as far left as he thinks he can get away with. God help us if he gets a second term and another cooperative congress. Gridlock and divided government never sounded so good as they do now.

Posted by: hit4cycle | March 29, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

If by mainstream you mean poor decision making, then yeah, I agree. Obama is a mainstream politician.

He's already costing my family money, so he is a mainstream liar, as well (I am NOT going to raise your taxes if you make less than $250,000/year).

Posted by: primegrop | March 29, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

DotCounties, I am not making the Appaloosa connection. But am fascinated, since these horses are popular with a few ranchers in MT that I, explain? We called them the big Roman nose horses....pardon to any and all here with the strong classic Italian profile....

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 29, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

And you know this how? See if you can respond without using the words "Fox" or "Rush."

Posted by: Raysmom | March 29, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

That was directed at hit4cyle, but you could take a shot at it, too, primegrop.

Posted by: Raysmom | March 29, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Raysmom, let's talk ponies with Dave instead.....pretty ponies....

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 29, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Sure, CqP. The best horse I ever owned was half Appaloosa and had not one spot.

Posted by: Raysmom | March 29, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Front page alert, of course.

CqP, I grew up with the granny-worded furniture davenport and chifforobe, too -- that's what we always called those things.
But the sideboard was always a "hutch," for some reason. Didn't hear the word "credenza" until I was in my 30s, IIRC. We always had a big cedar chest, too. I even built a smaller trunk-sized one for my wife, white oak exterior, cedar-lined. Love the smell of a cedar closet. We had a full walk-in cedar closet in the house my father built us.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 29, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

CqP, the part of the article you quoted about the insurer raising premiums to cover the cost of a child's pre-existing condition reminded me of what happened with the insurance plans of a company I used to work for.

The company offered a choice of two policies, and covered fifty percent of the cost, the other half being paid by the employee. One policy was a conventional Blue Cross plan, the other an HMO. Since the HMO was cheaper, and most new employees were young and underpaid, they generally opted for the HMO.

One of the company owners, who was on the Blue Cross plan, had a son who was diagnosed with cancer. In order to recoup costs, Blue Cross increased premiums for the entire group repeatedly over the next few years; since it was a small company -- and a small group -- the increases were dramatic. (I think that few people are aware that this dynamic can take place in any small group plan.) Consequently, ALL new employees were opting for the HMO, and some existing employees were switching. After a couple years, Blue Cross decided that the remaining "group" was too small, and threatened to terminate the plan.

At this point the owner was left with very little choice. If his existing plan was terminated, he would be unable to enroll his sick child in a new plan. So enrollment in the HMO was closed, and all new employees were only allowed to enroll in the now much-higher-cost Blue Cross plan.

One of the many features of the system that teabaggers are fighting to save.

Posted by: rashomon | March 29, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

What we really need is a pleasant revolt.

Posted by: Yoki | March 29, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama's costing you money, primegrop? Good.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 29, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Raysmom, that half appy would probably not yield a spotted foal...but I could be wrong. PAGING WB and DNAgirl..... Appies out west are nearly all quarter horses; and very nice horses are they. We had access to several including a compact strawberry roan that we adored.

Mudge, I shall start saying davenport again.....chiffrobe is harder as the children will try to have me committed.....I am fast becoming a character. Chiffarobe would move me into cat-collecting territory....

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 29, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"Davenport" was the word of choice in my family, too. I'm still trying to break Raysdad of his "pocketbook" and "dungarees" habit.

Posted by: Raysmom | March 29, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

How could this ninny possibly think that mainstream and Obama could be used in a single sentence? If he's got it right, then were destined to don the Mao pantsuit.

I disagree and have no interest living in Barry's world. It's dark, it's restrictive, it's oppressive, it's unfair in the name of fairness, and it makes me support societal non-contributors (and I don't mean the sick or really poor). Obama's insatiable...always angry...always disapproving...always in a huff lecturing someone...but I wonder if he has always been so dishonest and deceptive? Being abandoned at such an early age is taking its toll.

Posted by: jlgosnow | March 29, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Added some links to the kit...

Posted by: joelache | March 29, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Rashomon, oh the tales I could tell like that. CPBoy survived brain tumors at 3....and, yes, the insurance piece was horrific EVEN THOUGH WE WERE INSURED. Meant that we could NOT CHANGE JOBS. Premiumns went up...and, getting the boy well took time and effort and worry and days of tubes and probes and surgery and lots of high tech invasive stuff that I would not wish on anybody. But, if tumors strike, then I want everybody to have access to this stuff.

And, get this: a few people at work crabbed about how this made their premiums go up the next years, with crabbing directed at US. Wow. Your premiums (mine too) but a child has brain tumors!!!!!!!!! Shall we weigh out the suffering and worry on the scales of infinite wisdom? I think I just trumped you on the worry-o-mom-meter. (Not you Rashie, the jerkezoids who were irritated with us.)

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE? Does they need to have a child be diagnosed with CA before they get real?

And, sheesh, put the blame square were it belongs.
Guess I have dogs in this fight.

Back to ponies and chiffrobes...

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 29, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Mao that is a boodle handle just begging to be slipped into....I am imagining red silk and wide palazzo pant legs....a mash up of east and west....a little Suzy Wong and a little Sophia Loren.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 29, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, Yoki.

I think quarter horses should be mandatory. I'd even go for a quarter horse/appaloosa mandate. Or alpaca premium.

Posted by: seasea1 | March 29, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I would sign up immediately for a peasant revolt (or even a pissant revolt), with torches and pitchforks and all, but a pleasant revolt? No way!

Posted by: kguy1 | March 29, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

CqP, want to grab a pony and head for the bunker?

Posted by: Raysmom | March 29, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

CP, if you ever have need to out a Canadian, tell the person you're looking for a new chesterfield.

Posted by: engelmann | March 29, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

So we must believe there is no middle ground. It's Obama's way or the crazed idiots' way.

Sorry, that is simply not true. There are interests involved and choices. Obama makes his based not on reason alone, but also on his philosophy and ideology, but most of all to carry out the only campaign "promise" he has not gone back on: to be transformative - leave his mark in history.

I think there are more myths being built around Obama than there have been for others. One of them is that he is more poised, deep and thoughtful, not calculating, manipulative and shameless in the way he uses then throws people close to him under the next passing bus...

There is no proof in his past that he is anything more than a very smart, focused player of systems and is extraordinarily ambitious and adaptive.

Time will tell. For the time being, his control is slipping.

Posted by: sally62 | March 29, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Ponies to the bunker, where we shall have pleasantness. And wear silken lounge wear.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 29, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Chesterfield!! So, this is in the Canadian Fake book? Thanks, E-man. Glad to have one additional chance to "pass."

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 29, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

How could this ninny possibly think that mainstream and Palin could be used in a single sentence? If he's got it right, then we're destined to don the Miss Alaska banner.

I disagree and have no interest living in Sarah's world. It's dark (well, half the year), it's restrictive, it's oppressive, it's unfair in the name of fairness, and it makes me support societal non-contributors who have nothing better to do than dress up in costumes and hurl racial epithets. Palin's insatiable for money...always angry when asked to be rational...always disapproving of the media of which she is a member...always in a huff lecturing someone on something she knows nothing about...but I wonder if she has always been so dishonest and deceptive? Quitting in the middle of her term is taking its toll.

Posted by: kguy1 | March 29, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Bunker is open, the bar is ready for business! And the chef will be in shortly, we'll see what he has in mind for dinner. Is it pleasant enough to eat on the porch? I'm afraid the wind will preclude that...

My former employer self-insures employees and retirees, with Aetna administering benefits. My premiums have doubled in the three years I've been retired. I'm grateful it's only that, and that I have it.

Posted by: slyness | March 29, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Where do these people come from? I can't believe they are just perusing the front page of the Washington Post. Someone is sending them here with talking points.

Posted by: -TBG- | March 29, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Proof that even paranoids have enemies:

A nut job has been arrested for making death threats towards Eric Cantor.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 29, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Off kit, but funny...

Posted by: -TBG- | March 29, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse


I bought this patchwork Chessie for the bunker. Thank me later.

I am working on a fainting couch, next.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 29, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how all the people calling Obama a communist for "taking over the banks" are reacting to the news that the government is about to sell its Citibank stock for a five billion dollar profit. Just like a good capitalist.

My guess is that this is the kind of information that won't even register in their world. Too much cognitive dissonance. And I'll bet that Beck and Limbaugh won't even mention it.

Posted by: rashomon | March 29, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I just don't understand people who think Obama is some radical far-left insurrectionist. I never have. Perhaps this is because I've known some of those folks for real, and even parsed some of the beliefs myself. Obama certainly isn't a conservative. However, that doesn't make him a nut job, or even a traditional liberal. No record of Obama's - school, professional, teaching, legislative voting and bill introduction - suggest that he makes decisions or governs primarily in thrall to any ideology. If anything, he's always looked like a center-left pragmatist to me, with pragmatism winning most debates.

That pragmatism is probably why he doesn't allow emotion to be his public driving force. I don't say it doesn't influence him; I have no idea what or how he thinks. I do know how he acts and what he says, and those don't say "ruled by fear" or, for that matter, "ruled by joy" or "ruled by faith". Sorry, whichever way you want to turn, the man's not a nut.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 29, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

A fainting couch? That divine divan to dive in under the duvet?

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 29, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

*faxing CqP some smelling salts*

Posted by: -ftb- | March 29, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, this interpretation of a divan is well, shall we say, duvet optional?

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 29, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"Don't eat the antenna" could become Boodlespeak for "I can't believe I have to tell you this..."

Posted by: Raysmom | March 29, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I like that, Raysmom. What would "Don't throw the antenna at your spouse" mean?

Posted by: -TBG- | March 29, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

That it's time for anger management class?

Posted by: Raysmom | March 29, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I prefer "swoon couch". It's more old-fashiony.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 29, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

YJ -- here is the swoon couch. Architectural Digest will deliver tomorrow. You and Scotty Nuke can carry it into the break room. Thx.

And NO! We cannot exchange the celery green for a dark ruby red.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 29, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"His education secretary, Arne Duncan, advocates policies that are anathema to unions"

Why didn't you mention that there are a lot of education experts that oppose Arne Duncan's supposed "reforms" also?

Posted by: jlp19 | March 29, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, if you really want to go old-timey, yello, how about "vapors couch?"

Posted by: rashomon | March 29, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

CqP, you're right. The biased insurance pricing plans means that small businesses pay more for insurance and ALSO for using it. Bigger businesses can negotiate lower premiums and bargain against increases.

I've often said that health insurance is simply, the one factor that undermines all the fair employment laws ever made. I'm aware that the odds are very likely that I was laid off in part due to health insurance premiums rising due to some health crises among my coworkers.

I don't get angry at those coworkers nor at my business, but I do get very worried at all the people who think that such a dysfunctional market system is worth defending.

Unfair health insurance pricing is directly responsible for a significant slowdown in small business building in this country and this recession, and has been for the last decade.

Obama's plan has the main flaw of having been 12 years late to the party, that's all. Nobody should be a slave to a single job just because of health insurance rules. This does nobody any good and undermines our freedom.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 29, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The proof is in the details, sir. It is no longer required that someone introduce Barack Obama to the United States of America, we know him well by the work of his hands, not by the words from his mouth.

This man is a con-artist of the first rank. He is as duplicitous as any Los Vegas gambler and just as reckless. Obama presented himself as a certralist with a desire to 'clean up Washington.' This was a lie straight from the pit. Obama's dealings with Congress and the Senate are an embarrassment to the entire country and, on the world stage, amateurish and dangerous.

To state that Obama has no connection to Saul Alinsky is akin to stating that Jack Kennedy was an upright, wholesome and loyal husband to his wife, Jackie. And, in stating such nonsense, the author forfeits all rights to credulity. All the reader needs to know is the writings of Saul Alinsky and the ability to compare those with current events from this president.

The author's attempt to dismiss the intelligence of the average American is at best insulting, and at the worst, petty.

Posted by: prossers7 | March 29, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Love the chesterfield, CqP! It will look wonderful under the Kinkade of the river with a cottage in the foreground. I'm sure the shop steward will be delighted.

Posted by: slyness | March 29, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

As long as we are refurbishing the bunker, how about a few new cuspidors? The old ones haven't been cleaned in a while and a few evolutionary biologists (and one or two creationist ones) have asked for them for their theses.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 29, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

THE OBAMA, PELOSI REID PLAN TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. FORCED LIFE INSURANCE. EVERY AMERICAN 21 AND OLDER MUST BUY A MINIMUM LIFE INSURANCE POLICY of ten thousand dollars and make the U.S. Government the owner beneficiary of the policy. It must be renewed every year until death. The IRS will monitor the insurance and the companies will send proof that you have paid and kept up the premiums directly to the IRS and copy you to attach to your tax returns. Depending on your income you may be required to buy as much as 1 billion in life coverage (Warren Buffet is required to buy 1 billion in coverage) including accident and double indemnity and whole life. The government will run the programs through the Treasury Department. WAGES WILL BE GARNISHED AND ATTACHED AND LIENS ON PROPERTY WILL BE FILED IN THE CASE OF NON-COMPLIANCE. THE VIOLATIONS WILL BE PROSECUTED IN THE SAME MANNER THAT TAX CRIMES ARE.
This law is perfectly legal under the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution . IF OBAMA, PELOSI AND REID HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF IT YET THEY WILL.

The liberal Republicans are fighting to give the next of kin 10% of the policy payoffs but the Oligarchy says that they are just obstructionists and must hate their country.

Posted by: mharwick | March 29, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Can I join you on the swooning couch, CqP? I feel in need of a recamier, especially after seeing the price tag for this one.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 29, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

There are radicals on the left and the right. Then there are what I refer to as provocateurs and saboteurs that wish their followers to become incendiary devices, I think.

If a principle is accurate then said principle must be universal. Some people must get off on radicalizing their followers whether it be politics, religion or the environment as motive. The language of hate is just rhetoric for some but for the submissive it is indeed a tool of radicalization. And Extremism is not the mainstream of decent, hard working and moral Americans, Thank-God.

There is much rhetoric which tries to invent reformations or renaissance within political or religious organizations. And yet, the evidence is clear that traditionalists, orthodox, conservatives or conformists are still deluding themselves that the pendulum belongs to the Far Right.

Those provocateurs cheering their sheeple onto slay windmills in quest to find a Holier-than-thou Grail commit character assassination against what they perceive to believe as "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder". When the pendulum did swing because free people hate control freaks with boundary issues in general.

Resolved, the middle is where it's at.

Posted by: truthhurts | March 29, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

i have to admit - i've always wanted a blood red velvet chaise lounge!!!


Posted by: mortii | March 29, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

oooo ooo!! can we get this for the bunker?


Posted by: mortii | March 29, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Mo's round sofa comes in "Wild Pony" -- which fits right in to the discussion.

Posted by: nellie4 | March 29, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

CquaP, the spotted Appaloosa deal was that an excellent local breeder's overly spotty horses sold at a discount. Which was a double plus for their owners: nice horses that were inclined to like their owners, plus the owners were seen as smart, thrifty people.

Rashomon's explanation of a small-business health insurance 'death spiral' is classic. I think business owners are likely to know that can happen, while still thinking that the reform act is worse because it'll somehow drive them out of business.

I think some of that attitude may come from the difficulty of finding good employees, which seems to lead to suspicion that much of the population isn't worth insuring.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | March 29, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm finding the past to be a more comfortable prologue than those ranting rambles.
Anybody care to join me for some...spring fever... in the bunker?

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 29, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

It truly cracks me up when the right goes on about Saul Alinsky. Somehow it escapes them that the most visible groups using whole chapters out of "Rules for Radicals" are the tea-partiers. Once again proving that right-wingers are impervious to irony.

Posted by: rashomon | March 29, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

In my early teens I earned pretty good spending money riding small ponies for people whose equally small children couldn't handle them. I was still small enough not to hurt them by being astride, but strong enough to retrain them from some nasty habits. Mr. F and I both grew up with horses, he a cowboy even (though he spent as much time laying irrigation pipe as cutting cattle, both nasty jobs). That is why, despite all her begging, the dott never got anything bigger than a dog.

Sigh, so many visitors today. Not one worthy of an invite to stay a while.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | March 29, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The Geekdottir is seeking full-time employment because the gap insurance I bought her when she graduated doesn't cover basic care, just expensive emergencies. She has decided that she needs basic care NOW, so she's looking for a job, after being happy doing contract work for the last couple of years. I can't blame her for that.

Posted by: slyness | March 29, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Do not forget how President Obama was utterly failing to get a new Salt Treaty replacement, oh wait he just got that deal done, saving 10-40 billion a year in costs to maintain unneeded nukes, and to match Russian spending.

Posted by: Muddy_Buddy_2000 | March 29, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

A reverse mudging from Spring Fever:

"I'm going to sit right here and think happy daffodil thoughts like a good little garden gnome.

I bought lime basil the other day, can't wait until I can plant it; it's so good in summer salads. There is a certain satisfaction in the simple planning of gardens and crops that makes one feel wise, farsighted, above mere mortals with their daily fusses about today.

Forget today's woes, for I have sown tomorrow."

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 29, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

On things 'that shouldn't be home made', what's wrong with the boat with the built in Lazy boy?

Posted by: bh72 | March 29, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Frosti, I think truthhurts might rate an invite... Maybe. *re-reading closely* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 29, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

where are the jobs...

Posted by: DwightCollins | March 29, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

'xactly bh72. The freeboard is a bit low but who cares? The steerage is probably a bit sluggish too, but heh.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 29, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't think I disagree with truthhurts, generally speaking, insofar as TH seems to be separating the middle from extremists of all persuasions. However, I'm still pondering the assertion, "If a principle is accurate then said principle must be universal."

The more I think about it the less I like it. I think this means, in context as far as I understand it, that if a principle is truthful it must hold as truthful for everyone, everywhere, in every circumstance. Or possibly for everyone everywhere in these particular circumstances, I'm not sure. That might work for science (I'm not qualified to judge but think it might) but I'm not at all sure it works for essentially societal constructs like politics, religion, community, etc. It seems to suggest that certain principles must be absolutes across the board. This either disregards what may be fundamental differences in thought or belief, or it narrows the class of truthful principles to the brink of pointlessness. Hmmm.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 29, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

bh72-I had the same question. Also, though not pretty, the hot tub is very similar to a common installation in these parts. Usually they're gussied up for the tourist trade, but basically the same. I have a slight doubt about the flame thrower, but I still want one!

Posted by: frostbitten1 | March 29, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

The author is clearly out to lunch in view of Obama's blatantly Persephonic policies. Clearly anyone who doesn't see his ultimate goal is a paid propaganda agent for Cthonic cults.

Posted by: qgaliana | March 29, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Precisely, qgalliana. I'm glad someone finally had the guts to say it.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 29, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I liked the flame thrower too. But the thought of mentioning it would put me in a group disparaged here.
I did forward the design on to my nephews known to indulge in such devices.

What is a Persephonic policy?

Posted by: bh72 | March 29, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

never mind, I googled it.

Posted by: bh72 | March 29, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Frosti speaks of the sow-na, say it say it say that is what I am talking about.

Beats the hot tub times ten...hope to figure out to have one....

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 29, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse



Posted by: Jumper1 | March 29, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

OMG, CqP! I can't believe you found that pix of me and Zoë Caillebotte (your 5:02)! Well, not me, exactly, cuz I wasn't in the picture...but I woulda been if it had been taken about five minutes earlier.

Ya see, I was good buds with Gus Caillebotte, who had many interests including yacht racing, and most especially boatbuilding, my own specialty. (He was a lawyer as well as an engineer before he got into painting and photography, ya know). So anyway, I had met Gus at the races at the Isle of Wight, and we struck up a friendship and he invited my home to his family's country estate at Yerres a dozen or so miles upriver (south) from Paris (they had their "city house" on rue de Miromesnil, IIRC).

"Mudge, mon frere," he sez to me one day in, I think 1882, "vous gotta come spend the summer with us at Yerres, and meet the fam."

OMG, CqP! I can't believe you found that pix of me and Zoë Caillebotte (your 5:02)! Well, not me, exactly, cuz I wasn't in the picture...but I woulda been if it had been taken about five minutes earlier.

Ya see, I was good buds with Gus Caillebotte, who had many interests including yacht racing, and most especially boatbuilding, my own specialty. (He was a lawyer as well as an engineer before he got into painting and photography, ya know). So anyway, I had met Gus at the races at the Isle of Wight, and we struck up a friendship and he invited my home to his family's country estate at Yerres a dozen or so miles upriver (south) from Paris (they had their "city house" on rue de Miromesnil, IIRC).

"Mudge, mon frere," he sez to me one day in, I think 1882, "vous gotta come spend the summer with us at Yerres, and meet the fam."

"Sure, why not, mon ami," I replies in my best Frog-talk. "Say, have you got, like any sisters or anything?"

"Alors, tres sorree," he says, "but I have a cousin, Zoë, mon dieu! Wait 'til you meet her!"

Well, long story short, one afternoon Zoë ain't feeling real well, says she's out of sorts, and was gonna retire to her divan, and wanted me to come along and take her temperature and so on, make sure she wasn't running a fever. Gus, he was out running around with his new photograph camera snapping these de-re-gorytypes and such, and says he wants to take a pix of me and Zoë later that day.
Okay, one thing leads to another, which I won't go into, except to say that Zoë was somewhat healthier than she'd let on. Fade to black, fade to white again an hour or two later, and Zoë and me are feeling a bit peckish. So I kips into me knickers and such and tell her I'm just going down to the patissery to round us up some benyets and cafe olay. On my way down the stairs I run into Gus and his camera gear. He sez he's come to take our pix. I say go ahead on up, I'm just running down to the bake shop for some sustenance, and I'll be right back. So anyway, when I return, there's Zoë sill reclining her pretty little head off, and Gus is nowhere to be found.

to be oh so continued

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 29, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

le part deux

"So where'd he go, Toots?" I asked (she liked it when I called her Toots).

"Oh, he's in his darkroom developing some plates," the minx replies. Little did I know the plate he was developing was a certain photo of the dish in front of me.

So, yes, Gus painted the pix of Zoë on her davenport in her costume d'anniversaire, based on the photo he'd taken, because, believe me, Zoë had too much energy to sit around for long holding still for a week or two. And yeah, I missed being in that pix by about five minutes.

Ah, bon temps, bon temps.

Slyness, is there any chance you'd let me have a copy of that painting in the bunker instead of the Kinkade? If not, then my second choice would be one of my favorites, gus painted, "Paris Street, Rainy Day." I mean, you wanna talk about a *real* painter of light.

And I hadda laugh when I saw that link, CqP, because it said Gus's orientation was "landscape." Bwahahahaha! Believe me, Gus's orientation sure wasn't landscapery. All ya had to do was see him and this younger chick named Charlotte Berthier canoodling in a bistro, and you'd know what old Gus's orientation was.

Yeah, I miss Gus. He died when he was 45, yanno. Pneumonia, I think it was. Tragic loss. A really great painter.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 29, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking "Twombly."

Posted by: Jumper1 | March 29, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Pardony moi. I don't know how that hiccup got into Part Un.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 29, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Good Passover to those what observe.

I must say, that Caillebotte nude is the least erotic I've ever seen. Very cold indeed. Not surprisin', reely.

Love the story, 'mudge.

Off to Seder.

Posted by: Yoki | March 29, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse


(I seem to be saying that a lot these days, dunno why...)

Great painting, Mudge, but...we don't want to embarrass the Boss if he happens to bring the WaPo brass by. I mean, yanno JA has a standing invite to the bunker, so we reelly have to be careful.

Um. I think I'll punt this one to CqP, Yoki, and TBG.

What do you think, ladies?

Posted by: slyness | March 29, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, maybe not the best idea I ever had, slyness. Let's go with the Paris street scene.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 29, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

This is how I picture the bunker in my mind...

Posted by: -TBG- | March 29, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Twombly had italics.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | March 29, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

This will drive insurance companies insolvent, just as free mortgages for
everyone created the housing crash.
No lifetime max? children carried until

30 million new medicaid customers.

you liberal types just keep trying to
put lipstick on this pig.

I can hear the news media, in four years,
blaming President Ryan.
somehow pelosi and obama will be painted
as saints.

It is a vicious cycle, democrats spend and spend and give away and give away.
and thier media flunkies blame the republicans for not saying NO!

Posted by: simonsays1 | March 29, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

That's pre-lace and pre-Kincaide, but yes, nice and cluttered yet roomy like that.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 29, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Insurance companies insolvent? I can hardly wait.

But gimme a little help here...WTF is President Ryan?

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 29, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

TBG, that is the fabulous bunker kitchen, and just beyond, the equally fabulous bunker den! (The bar is just out of sight, on the right of the doorway.)

Posted by: slyness | March 29, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

This will raise 'mudge's bp a notch higher...

Scientists and Weathercasters at Odds on Warming

Posted by: DNA_Girl | March 29, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Paul Ryan, the wunderkind Congressman from Wisconsin (I think), who balances the budget by killing Social Security and making Medicare a voucher system...except the budget doesn't quite balance even then...will google a link...

Posted by: seasea1 | March 29, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

The last time I check,Democratic presidents since 1950 have averaged a annual deficit of 0.9% of GDP, while Republican presidents have averaged 3.2% of GDP. I find it interesting that the two biggest deficit makers were the two that insisted on large tax cuts during good times; Reagan and W. Bush.

I understand running a deficit during bad times, but purposely running large deficits during good times when we should be paying down the deficit shows poor judgment.

Posted by: DrS1 | March 29, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION ALL FELLEOW SHEEPLES I WILL NOW BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION THE THE GOVERNMONT IS A CONSPIRACY! why you ask?! cause of communists! thats why! Obama bein all tall and good at sports and presidents goin to yer schools. I MISS REAGEN! Back in the day shootin all dem dam hippies sendin them back to their communist ways. Obama TOOK MEH JERB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: Ivansmom | March 29, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Hi Boy! Good to hear from you.

Off kit, but wow. Just wow.

Posted by: slyness | March 29, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, it's like aliens had taken over the bodies of Jumper and I-mom.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 29, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Here's Ezra's take on the Paul Ryan budget:
Which includes a link to previous column that details the proposal.

Here's Ryan's official website - I bet he has the proposal there:

Of course, I'm just assuming that's what the poster meant. Could be any number of other viable candidates who could beat Obama in 2012 - bwahahahaha.

Posted by: seasea1 | March 29, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

The Boy is my hero.

Posted by: -TBG- | March 29, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

You know, simonsays, just the interest payments on the debt that Bush racked up would pay for the entire health care overhaul.

Oh, and don't eat the antenna.

Posted by: rashomon | March 29, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

The Boy has got into the spirit of the Boodle, I'm afraid; he is also amused by trolls.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 29, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

TBG, you PROMISED you wouldn't post that picture of my kitchen!

Posted by: nellie4 | March 29, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Nice use of the word "sheeple." I must try to work that into more conversations.

Posted by: seasea1 | March 29, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

This is a column in the local web-paper that's relevant to the Kit, kind of:

I don't know the writer, but he looks like one of those old dang hippies. (Where is Martooni, anyway?)

Posted by: seasea1 | March 29, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

heard on talk radio
of sheeples in seattle
dam west coast hippies

Posted by: DNA_Girl | March 29, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Very good, seasea. I certainly agree with this part...

"When people look to Sarah Palin for guidance, they've disqualified themselves from rational discourse. When they think that Glenn Beck makes sense, they've written themselves off from engaging in a reasonable dialog. And when they object to Barack Obama because they think he's a Muslim or a Kenyan or a Socialist or who knows what else, well, it's better not to waste your time in a discussion with them. They're just not going to listen."

Posted by: -TBG- | March 29, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

The front page drivebys are actually more legible than usual. I can appreciate that.

Truthurts, not sure I agree either that an accurate principle is universal. But I wasn't sure if you were asserting this or projecting it on extremist thinking.

The middle yes, is where it's at. But only to the extent that the 'middle' is a broadly definable area. It's more of a philosophical center of mass and where it lies depends on how much weight you put on the different considerations on the edges.

Wrong is all those bits that are unberably far from the middle. Tolerance for this is somewhat subjective. Part of being an extremist is narrowing that point so finely that almost everything else becomes 'wrong'.

Posted by: qgaliana | March 29, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Jack Ryan became president at the end of Debt of Honor, or about three books after Tom Clancy ran out of original ideas.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 29, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Wishful thinking Achenbach

Posted by: dalane27 | March 29, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

The local independent book store will have an April Fool treat: a talk and signing by Andrew Young, author of "The Politician: An Insider's Account of John Edwards's Pursuit of the Presidency and the Scandal That Brought Him Down". On Friday the first.

I understand that the first bunch of Cuban health personnel will arrive in Miami the same day.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | March 29, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

All the shouting is making my headache worse.

Lovely full moon outside - very peaceful to look at, some posters may want to take a few moments to enjoy.

Posted by: dmd3 | March 29, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh dmd, I'm sorry you still have that headache! I'd love to see the moon but it's pouring buckets here. At tennis tonight, the sound of it on the roof was deafening.

Posted by: badsneakers | March 29, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Thanks badsneaks, supposed to be 79f here Friday so I have that to look forward to, perhaps it is the humidity coming in that set off the headaches. There is a humidex in the forecast - Yipee!!

Posted by: dmd3 | March 29, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Yes, we are supposed to get some warm weather on the weekend. Hard to believe after all this but looking forward. We are going to try to take the granddaughters hiking Saturday, hope we don't get mired in the mud on the trails!

Posted by: badsneakers | March 29, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Sheeples in Seattle? Wasn't Tom Hanks in that.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | March 29, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

My guess? You are exactly right, you are guessing and so is President Obama. If President Obama had a track record of being right then he could be given the benefit of the doubt. So far he's been wrong about everything. None of his ideologue theories have prove to be right. President Obama is a far left radical. Make no mistake about it. He's not a centrist. Middle of he road President or anything of that sort. Mock whoever you want who calls President Obama a socialist. Your the only one whose making light of it because your cut from the same cloth so you can't see what the rest of the American people can. Your still looking the other way and living in a world of denial. Every time President Obama opens his mouth he talks about fundamentally changing and transforming this country. He doesn't talk like an American President does. His tone is pure socialist. The direction he's taking this country is socialist driven and no amount of propaganda from you can change public opinion about President Obama or the motives behind health care. You wasted your time. November is still on the minds of the people. No distractions from you or anyone else is going to save the Democrats. Independence Day has been moved to November.

Posted by: houstonian | March 30, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

My guess? You are exactly right, you are guessing and so is President Obama. If President Obama had a track record of being right then he could be given the benefit of the doubt. So far he's been wrong about everything. None of his ideologue theories have prove to be right. President Obama is a far left radical. Make no mistake about it. He's not a centrist. Middle of he road President or anything of that sort. Mock whoever you want who calls President Obama a socialist. Your the only one whose making light of it because your cut from the same cloth so you can't see what the rest of the American people can. Your still looking the other way and living in a world of denial. Every time President Obama opens his mouth he talks about fundamentally changing and transforming this country. He doesn't talk like an American President does. His tone is pure socialist. The direction he's taking this country is socialist driven and no amount of propaganda from you can change public opinion about President Obama or the motives behind health care. You wasted your time. November is still on the minds of the people. No distractions from you or anyone else is going to save the Democrats. Independence Day has been moved to November.

Posted by: houstonian | March 30, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Mao Pantsuit….they are so not hip. I think the young people in China won’t want to be caught death wearing one of those.

Posted by: rainforest1 | March 30, 2010 3:50 AM | Report abuse

SCC: dead

Posted by: rainforest1 | March 30, 2010 4:08 AM | Report abuse

Never mind all that...

Here come Peeps!!!

Or should I say, "Eep!" :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 30, 2010 5:24 AM | Report abuse

I used to work with a woman who cuckoo for peeps. She would buy all she could and eat em all in a few weeks.She was just mad they were only out around Easter.I asked her why not buy a s***load of them and freeze them,then you could have peeps year round. It never dawned on her to do that. I talked to her over the xmas holidays and she had a freezer full o peeps.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | March 30, 2010 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Scotty,that was great.....thank you.....thank you.......I enjoyed that very much

Posted by: greenwithenvy | March 30, 2010 6:25 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. I used to love Mao shirts, the ones with the upright collars. Does that make me a Marxist/Maoist/Trostkist?

The moon was spectacular indeed dmd. The Ancient Giant Black Lab didn't need me to turn on the flashlight/beacon last night, he could follow me by moonlight.
I like houstonian's "So far he's been wrong about everything". Everything. Can't even pick the carpets' colour right.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 30, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all. Hi Cassandra! Yes, the moon was spectacular last night, I hope it will be the same tonight. And it's supposed to be a nice day! And in the 80's by the weekend!

Did somebody from Houston say something?

Gotta go look at the peeps...

Posted by: slyness | March 30, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. Greenwithenvy, that's a lot of sugar, although I like the peeps too. But try not to eat too many.

Scotty, I went to get an accident report from the local police department here, and the guy took me through the rigours of the damned. I know it's a tad late to file one, but, gee, this guy really had a field day with me. I got so vexed and frustrated, I told him, forget it. I going home and go to bed. He even said he called the insurance company, and then asked me if I wanted to talk to them. I said no. I should have done it sooner, I know.

I know my blood pressure was sky high when I left that building.

Like your answers Ivansmom, and hello, Boy.

Have a great day, folks.

Posted by: cmyth4u | March 30, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse


"I'm going home and go to bed."

Posted by: cmyth4u | March 30, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, I'm sorry yet another "customer service" employee has forgotten who they're supposed to be serving... *HUGSSSSSSSSSSS*

*headed-off-to-a-meeting Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 30, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Some days I think anyone is welcome to TOOK MEH JERB. Brilliant, Boy!

Cassandra, breathe deep. Again, and keep doing it. We need you around here.

I have a question for the boodle, partly because of yello's very funny comment about his wife's mil yesterday. But it's not totally unrelated to the topic of stuff. Who gets annoyed when they don't receive a thank you note for a wedding gift (the ur stuff, sts)? Does it break down by the person who shopped, the one who paid, shipped it. . . Or does nobody else care?

Have a good morning, all. Brag?

Posted by: -dbG- | March 30, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse




If this actually happens, I am SO there...

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 30, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I do realize the kit has moved past stuff, btw.

Oh, to be so far right that Obama looks far left instead of centrist!

Posted by: -dbG- | March 30, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry folks. What a morning topic! I think my blood pressure must still be up. And I have to go back this morning. *sigh*

But there is a a bright side! I'm signing up for the water thingie. Hooray!

Posted by: cmyth4u | March 30, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

slyness, i just spent a good minute or two trying to figure out what SD was talking about. ... almost like reading one of my own posts. Ah, tis the confusion of poster names.

It is funny how folks have to attribute a differing opinion to a larger socio-economic movement. My father used to temper my language even as we used to disagree (way back when), by teaching me a few concepts and one of those is that (1) there are many ways to skin a cat, so to speak; (2) With that, we may have a difference of opinion; (3) a less attractive approach to a solution with proper execution may very well provide a better outcome than the opposite.

AND, as we always say, make an argument. Don't just state your opinion, build a case for your opinion or at least state a few soundly derived or at least agreed upon facts that have some sort of tangential relationship to your position.

Let me stop my blathering by pointing out that, without a deep deep deep discussion of the facts and factors on any of the problems facing America today, one can't truly approach an understanding of the problems faced and the robust nature of the solutions. It is almost laughable to suggest that someone is a socialist because of anything that Obama has done recently.

Are we a great nation because we are possibly the last industrial nation which has a system dependent on 'for profit' insurance companies to make our health system work?

Are all the other industrial nations socialist?

My point is that we have to let those Houstonian type posters probably can't barely run their own lives much that of a nation of 300 million people. The level of understanding is totally demonstrated by the content of the posts themselves.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, good move and congrats. The work has just started.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

dbG - My wife gets annoyed if we don't get a thank you note because she is the one who notices.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 30, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse



Posted by: CommieBlaster | March 30, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

No, I'm not going to make a "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome" reference.

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 30, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Good morning boodle! Headed to St. Paul this evening, then on to Tampa on Thursday. Driving this time and not dreading it as much as I envisioned. Won't be around much so take care everyone.

Later gators.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | March 30, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I found that article about 26 being the new 18 very thought provoking. I certainly agree that my son is way more dependent on his parents than was I at his age. But this seems less a reflection of some profound societal shift and more a simple indication of differing parenting styles. That is, my wife deals with our son in the same way her parents dealt with her - which is a far cry from how my parents dealt with me.

Still, I think there is something to the thesis behind this article. It seems reasonable to conclude that the age of independence is actually going up. But isn't this the way it has always been? That is, this seems like the continuation of a long historical trend.

And, as a parent, I could deal with having my son around a bit longer than in ages past. Not the least because when he is in the house there is someone else to blame for leaving the seat up.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 30, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Shriek, be careful out there -- that hanger steak could be rump roast:

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 30, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

RD, you know you are a vacation, right? Not a trip, but a vacation.

Slyness, I read the story this morning, and saw part of the video about the murder of the family. So very sad. At least all the children didn't die, but still awfully sad.

Posted by: cmyth4u | March 30, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Good morning y'all. Enjoy the water thing, Cassandra. I bet it will feel good.

dbG, I also get annoyed when I don't receive a thank-you note. I don't really expect them, and that is good because it is no fun to constantly have your expectations not met. The Boy has done thank-you notes since he was a toddler. At first he'd dictate and I'd write, but I let him do his own once they were remotely legible. We've missed a few but not many. I also write thank-you notes to people who give me advice, recommendations, etc.

Of course, I also get annoyed when people don't reply to invitations which clearly state "please reply" (having decided that perhaps "rsvp" was too obscure). Through about eleven years of full-fledged planned birthday parties, I'd say maybe a third of the invited kids responded. That's not to say they didn't all come, of course; most did, but didn't think to tell us. The rule was you made goodie bags for everyone, then when guests didn't show gave the extras to the guests's siblings.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 30, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Catholic Church Wall of Shame: Part 2: France and Belgium (round-the-world tour)

More than 30 Catholic priests have been found guilty in France during the last few years of raping and molesting children. Monsignor Pierre Pican, Bishop of Bayeux and Lisieux, made a court appeareance in June 2001 for failure to inform police about the crimes of Father Rene Bissey. Bissey was sent to prison for 18 years for raping and molesting 11 boys in his congregation. Parents complained, Bissey admitted having sexual relations with several children, but Pican only sent him to another parish. In another case within France, Father Gerard Mercury was removed from his parish in Bordeaux, but only after his second conviction.,9171,220027,00.html

Cardinal Godfried Daneels, in 1998 in Begium, was in court for downplaying the actions of a priest accused of sexual abuse. For raping 10 children between the ages of 10 and 16 in a Brussels parish, Andre Vander Lijn was eventually jailed--even though Daneels had written government officials asking them to be prudent in their actions toward an excelent priest. Daneels was considered a very good prospect for the papacy. See the BBC reporting in the next to the last entry, below (the last entry is a real humdinger, if you want a round-the-world tour in capsules of information):

Posted by: laloomis | March 30, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll buy 26 is the new 18 when 945 is the new 712.

'Morning, sheeple. Hope you all shlept well.

Houstonian, thank you for permission to mock whomever I want. I choose to mock you.

dbG, my wife is one of those who gets miffed if there's no thank you card, so you're not alone.

Joel, would you do me a favor and pass on to the national desk or the assignment desk, or whoever, this request for an story. I'd like to see a serious, seriously researched piece (not some Outlook thumbsucker) by somebody on exactly who all these delusional wack jobs are, who are running around yelling "socialist" all the time at this and that. I keep seeing polls about how 30-x percent of Republicans think Obama is the anti-christ, or 52 percent of Conservatives think he's a socialist, or whatever, but it's not enough to just have a poll. The fact is, a sizable minority of people are running loose in this country who are obviously "political" in the sense that they seem to be concerned (rather than indifferent) about whatever the issues of the day might be. But my point is these people cannot be taken seriously in any kind of rational political discussion. Do they *truly* believe O is a socialist, or is it simply some kind of shorthand? (I don't want to read a lot of blather about how they are disaffected or alienated or blah blah blah. One can be a centtrist or a leftist and still be disaffected and alienated. It doesn't explain one's politics. Alienation doesn't track with rightwing crazoid. Holden Caulfield invented alienated and disaffected, but he didn't run around thinking Truman was a socialist.)

Can we find some actual psychologists as well as some *honest* political theorists and operatives who will discuss honestly how society treats 5 or 10 percent of its members who are seriously off the charts?

Thank you.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 30, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Morning! Cool but my goodness spring is rising. Just walk outside and you can hear the gurgle of sap in the trees. Buds on the azaleas and so too on the darling Carol Mackie shrub Daphne, the smell fest is about to begin.

And why oh why have I NOT planted a row of viburnum? Bless me Mother for I have sinned.....

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 30, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all.

Warm muffins, coffee and OJ on the table.

RNC chairman Steele is under fire again for his tony spending ways.

The RNC apparently had $22 mil on hand when Steele took over a year ago. Since then it has raised $96 mil. However, it currently has less than $10 mil on hand.

With that kind of burn rate, Steele may be the best thing ever to happen to the DNC.

Posted by: MsJS | March 30, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

What an interesting question. I do not mind in the least when I don't receive thank you notes. I don't think I even notice. I do send them, however.

Posted by: Yoki | March 30, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Lisa (as I am calling her for several days)was picked for one of the highly coveted spots in the European University Institute, and after a short period of thoughtful deliberation decided to study educational reform in the 17th century, finally narrowing her study to the Catholic order of the Scolopi, schools initially set up to educate the poor.

These schools never reached England's shores because of Henry VIII's and Elizabeth I's renunciation of all things Catholic, but proliferated in Italy, Spain and central Europe. Eventually the schools evolved into exclusive private academies, educated the families of the weathly and privileged, and matriculated students who would claim places in history.

Lisa, based in Florence, had to locate the closest archives that held research material about the Scolopi. These records were not in her new university's home, a former abbey on the outskirts of Florence, but in the center of Florence itself. Lisa must have been one of the four Danish students or the only one from Luxembourg, but not one of the nine Italians, since, by her own admission, she had had only two weeks of Italian classes at the university. She had to learn the Italian language as she went.

For the first three weeks in the archives in central Florence, Lisa concentrated on the school notebooks, making endless lists about the 94 new school boys enrolled each year in the lowest grammar class. As she became better acquainted with the Father who oversaw the dusty archives and as her Italian improved, he relaxed and allowed her greater access to the materials within the central Florence repository.

The Scolopi was founded in 1600 by a Father from Aragon, spread quickly through Catholic Europe, crossed the Alps in 1632, but in 1646, the schools had been abruptly shut down by the pope. The research materials Lisa searched provided no answers, nor were any answers (Lisa asked questions) forthcoming from the father who supervised the central Florence records, nor from the father to whom she first spoke about her research project.

The question of why this order of Scopoli was suppressed in 1646, would send Lisa on a search that lasted months, months spent searching dusty cupboards that served as remote provincial schools of the Scolopi as well as a move to Rome to research in the order's main archive.

Posted by: laloomis | March 30, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

This just in on Marketplace Morning Rpt. Canadian gummint to award medals to Tim Horton's employees in Kandahar. I'm fer it.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | March 30, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I wish I didn't notice. The latest would have been for a wedding gift my sister and I sent to a far-away cousin's son for a wedding we couldn't attend. I found their registration at a crate and barrel and my sister bought and had it shipped, we evened up. When I was congratulating her on her g'daughter's note to me she mentioned how annoyed she was that she hadn't heard fr them. I'm less annoyed because I'm more removed from the work. Otoh, I still remember I didn't get one years ago from a friend's son wedding present. So the marriage only lasted a few months, but I have them a big cuisinart. He'd better pony up a note before he thinks about getting married again (laughing at myself. It's sooo trivial!)

Posted by: -dbG- | March 30, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

*faxing roses to Mudge for his missive to Joel* I heartily agree.

I hope you have a buncha CDs to play in your car, Frosti for your trip (and I hope I didn't miss her). That's a long drive.

Gotta get some stuff done. You know, "other stuff" (not this stuff).

Might trundle back this afternoon, tho. Acquit yourselves admirably in the meantime. Or, not.

Posted by: -ftb- | March 30, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Those two Moscow bombers were trying to kill Russian FSB (formerly KGB) staff -- and not only that, staff who work at the Lubyanka? Man, they have picked on the wrong freaking dudes.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 30, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

*putting roses in nice vase on top of filing cabinet next to my desk, where everyone can see them*

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 30, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, you raise an interesting point.

I rather expect that at least 10% of the population is considered politically irrational by someone. We each choose a definition of 'politically rational', plot folks on the continuum, and find some relatively small number of them at the 'irrational' end of the bell curve.

The people I consider political irrationals aren't going to change just because I've labelled them as such any more than I would change because I fall into someone else's 'seriously off the charts' category.

As to how society copes with this, well that's part of the debate we have in Congress and other legislative bodies, in our churches, at social agencies, on the internet, and elsewhere every day. There's no one-size-fits-all answer.

Posted by: MsJS | March 30, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.
[sprinkling Holy Water on loomis]

[bc, now checking his face and body]
Hey, they sprayed ether down the carb of the Large Hadron Collider, fired it up, knocked a few particles together, and I'm still here! *We're* still here! Yay!

That's great -- except now I *still* need to plan dinner.

MsJS, we'd mentioned that RNC burn rate yesterday, and considered the idea that some in the GOP may have needed to try to make themselves feel better with a little 'rain' after the last election cycle...


Posted by: -bc- | March 30, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

No, I'm sorry, MsJS, but saying that "at least 10% of the population is considered politically irrational by someone" just doesn't cut it. All cats may be black in the dark, but in the light of day we can and must some sort of distinctions.

Political discourse in Western Civ rests upon a kind of common vocabulary and a common code. Democrats and Republicans can wrangle with each other day and night (and have for nearly two centuries), but they are always using commonly agreed terms, terminology, concepts, touchstones, etc. And implicit in all this is the idea that the various sides and parties agree to disagree about some things, but overall agree that the dialog is important and nevessary.

But you can't have dialog, you can't have discourse, and you can't have a political process with people who are (a) ignorant of the correct terminology and usage of political words, and (b) who want to be taken seriously and have their ideas not only "listened to," but actually put into policy (ain't gonna happen).

One can sit down with Orin Hatch and James Sensenbrenner, and deal with them (or not) on some sort of common basis. But how do you talk to a wack job who thinks Obama is working for Stalin? How do you regard that person's viewpoints and political wishes and desires? You can only ignore them and write them off-- which only inflames them further.

And we now know, thanks to a couple of studies, that "correcting" these kinds of people in their misapprehensions doesn't work, that it only hardens their delusions. So how does the American democratic (small d) process incorporate the looney tunes among us? I don't see how it can...and this people are disenfranchising themselves and cutting themselves right out of the discourse. It doesn't help to say they are being exploited by the Limbaughs and Becks; I already know that. That is merely a side issue.

In a way, it is the same problem as dealing with holocaust deniers and GW deniers and people who think the world is going to end in 2012, and all the other nonsense floating about. How does one say, "I respect your right to an opinion, but I really don't think you're receiving transmissions from Alpha Centauri and Obama wasn't born in Kenya, but I still want to hear what you have to say."

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 30, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

bc: Interesting theory. I would call that 'a monsoon season' rather than 'rain', but I get the point.

I apologize for not seeing the boodle discussion yesterday. I've been remiss in the backboodling dep't.

Within the last few minutes I received email from friends in London and Venice, so those parts of Europe are still here, too.

I ad oped all dat knockging togeder at LHC would knockg oud my head cold, but I'b sdill snibbling.

Posted by: MsJS | March 30, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

frosti, I agree. Does the US have anything to recognize the service of civilian contractors?

When I last did long solo drives I had gotten into books on tape - really made the time pass. Now there are a ton of podcasts and whatnot that a person could listen to for the same purpose.

Interesting piece on the Tea Partiers:

Posted by: engelmann | March 30, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

from today's Borowitz Report:

"In Turnabout, Michael Steele Calls Same-sex Unions “Incredibly Hot”

"WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) - In what appears to be a reversal of a long-standing GOP position, RNC chair Michael Steele said today that he considered same-sex unions "incredibly hot, especially when the girls are getting it on in a glass case."

When asked if his comment meant that the GOP now favored same-sex marriage, Mr. Steele clarified his position: "If we're talking about two hot lesbian girls simulating marriage in a glass case, yes, I am very much into that sort of thing."

Mr. Steele denied that he had changed positions on same-sex union issue, but added, “There’s nothing wrong with changing positions if you like the new one better.”

The GOP chairman could not be reached for further comment, as a spokesman for Mr. Steele said he was all tied up.

Other Republicans were critical, however, about the GOP chairman’s authorizing close to $2,000 for a night out at a Los Angeles sex club, including Sen. John Ensign (R-Nevada): "Why spend that kind of money for something you can see in my office for free?"

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 30, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I get very annoyed if I don't get a thank you note. Very.

So much for being grateful for a dry basement, there's a half inch of water covering most of it and I'm wetvacing furiously while waiting for "S" to come home with (I hope) a bigger wetvac!

Posted by: badsneakers | March 30, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I agree that the percentage of "irrational" political believers, on either side, is relatively small. As Mudge says, most people who disagree vehemently politically can at least talk with one another and often get things done. For gosh sakes, even Dick Cheney was an effective member of Congress.

I also agree with MsJS, that the way society copes with irrationals is the debate in Congress and at community levels. That debate has always been about how to hear, or disregard, that segment of the population while continuing to function as a civil society.

What concerns me is that the current vocal crop of irrationals does not appear to be interested in participating in civil society. I worry that they are, if you will, circumventing the debate. Physical attacks, personal threats and threats to legislators' families based on political ideology are not within the bounds of what a diverse civil society can tolerate and still thrive.

This behavior is not new, it is just new in this context. For years anti-abortion activists have engaged in violence and physically disrupted businesses, as well as threatening, and killing persons they believe to have performed or facilitated abortions. That fringe has been criminally prosecuted and not tolerated by mainstream abortion opponents. However, it hasn't been completely condemned either. Now we're seeing the same kind of single-minded passion, often driven by emotion and conducted on a personal level, applied to politics. I strongly believe that the leaders of all parties need to condemn it swiftly, vocally, and without excuse, and shun those who engage in it.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 30, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I guess my point is the fringe has always been among us, Mudge. Every once in a great while they open our eyes to better ways of looking at the world (slavery, civil rights). I'm not sure we're at one of those times now, but it does happen.

As to political discourse in Western Civ being built on a common vocabulary, I personally believe that's hoo-ey. That there are vocal people who don't follow 'the common code' who have sizable followings is evidence to my point.

I disagree they are shutting themselves out of the democratic process. They've got the attention of the media and both major political parties. Yes, even the Dems have to figure out what this movement means as part of their 2010 strategy.

If you don't believe they can be formally incorporated into the democratic process, then go right ahead and try to shut them out. I wish you luck.

Posted by: MsJS | March 30, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Would someone go find an old etch-a-sketch for loomis! ... just anything to keep her mind challenged and away from here for a bit--especially during this holy week.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

But what good does it say that "there has always been a lunatic fringe"? How does it advance our understanding of anything? Yes, sure, it's a true statement. But it isn't *useful.* I don't mind that it is a cliche, although it is; I mind that it doesn't really explain anything.

And where do you get this ""try and shut them out" crap? You're reading a lot into what I wrote that isn't there. *I'm* not trying to shut them out; I explicitly said they are shutting themselves out. What I'm saying is how can they be invited in as respected equals when they are batty (and in fact not respected)?

You don't think most of us are using a common vocabulary most of the time? Jeez. I just don't know what to do with that.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 30, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

You've expressed it better for me, MsJS - I don't think this particular irrational fringe wants to be incorporated into the political process. In fact, they seem to me to be actively indicating that they don't trust the political process, don't believe it works for them, and want something else. I'm not sure I understand what the something else is, and I'm not sure they do either.

I am concerned because I don't think we can drag them kicking and screaming into the political process if they don't want to be there. Some of our recent drive-bys essentially advocated not expanding small business, not using U.S. medical services, and not paying into existing programs as a response to the health care reform bill. These people appear willing to tear at the economic and social fabric of the country in order to get their way. They seem uninterested in working with others who don't agree to make something we can all live with. This isn't incorporation or participation in the political process. It isn't even revolution.

When our leaders (both parties) fail to strongly condemn physical attacks, verbal personal attacks, and death threats, they send a message that this behavior is part of acceptable social discourse. You can't call people to arms then be surprised when they use their guns.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 30, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

'Lunatic fringe' also refers to bangs. In one of the Prairie books, Laura Ingalls mentions that she wants bangs. Pa remarks with this rejoinder. So, the fringe has been around a long, long time.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 30, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

About political fringes...well, small vocal minority groups often leverage our politics quite well.

The trick is how to leverage the middle into expressing themselves and implementing this will of the silent and somewhat content majority.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 30, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

This is just a random thought so I have no evidence to back it up but I wonder if part of the 26 is the new 18 phenomenon is partially related to college loan debt. This is not the first article I've seen regarding young people's "unprecedented" lack of independence but I've seen many too about the "unprecedented" college loan debts that many students are assuming even just for undergrad.

There certainly seems to be a correlation though that's not the same as causation.

I can certainly believe that 26 is the new 18 in an anecdotal sense. I am 26 and while I've been somewhat proud of my independence (I accepted some help (as a Christmas gift) with a car down payment but that's it) but many, if not most, of my friends are relying on their parents in one way or another and many to a significant degree (housing, regular money for rent or spending, food, cars, etc.).

Posted by: cowhand214 | March 30, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, I have long held the belief that many of the ills of society come from the fact that we are no longer a nation primarily made up of self-employed farmers. We lack the sense of cooperation, community, common purpose and understanding of those who toil, next to each other season after season.

The farmers understood the value of labor and even good luck. They also knew that they were always one growing season away from trouble. The farmers knew that they could each get much more done if they teamed up to bring in each others' crops and even shared in their hardware to do so.

Therefore, they also knew that their neighbor's welfare was important to their own. Finally, they knew that, as small potatoes, each farmer's own production didn't really hurt their neighbor in the pricing. More likely, it was the buying power of the manufacturers and marketers that would impact their pricing.

My parents grew up in vastly different surroundings, one in an Iowa farming community and the other in an East Coast old factory town. In the 1970's I remember getting into heated discussions in the East Coast town with out of work factory workers who easily blamed us young whipper snappers for the problems that this nation faced. Where as, I would see farmers in the small town, sit in the cafe enjoying the midday meal and having diverse discussions about all sorts of topics without the need to really blame anyone. Not only were the discussions diverse, but the opinions held were as well.

The discussion carried very little heat, as I recall.

There are studies that suggest that those who have settled into the FOX news mindset are not as intellectually curious and/or knowledgeable of scientific and even national affairs. Those FOX listeners and maybe Tea Party-ites themselves, don't really have any personal knowledge of much of their "hot buttons." Take Al Franken--they know very little about the man. Why do so many people hate the man without knowing anything about him?

Their minds are absolutely jammed with unsubstantiated opinions and beliefs.


Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Ivansmom has a point about the fringers not wanting to be part of the political process. No, they don't...but they do. The thing is, they are highly ambivalent about it. IM is right that they don't want to participate in the mainstream of it...but when you hold all sorts of rallies, when you invite specific candidates to speak at your rallies, when you shout and scream about lower/no taxes, and when you are screaming more than anything about defeating a specific piece of legislation and calling the president a socialist -- you are up to your ever-lovin' eyebrows in the political process and the nation's political discourse.

What I am getting at is this ambivalence the fringe has. It *wants* to be taken seriously, but clearly can't. Does this behavior remind you of anyone?

A few decades ago, a guy named Anthony Wolf wrote a how-to-deal-with-teenagers book called "Get Out of My Life, but First Could You Drive Me & Cheryl to the Mall: A Parent's Guide to the New Teenager."

It is this kind of extreme ambivalent love/hate behavior that teenagers have (as expressed in the title) that mirros (IMHO) almost exactly what the TPer fringe exhibits: I hate you, Washington, and won't have anything to do with you...but first, could you lower my taxes, educate my kids, give me my VA benefits and Social Security, and let me demonstrate how much I hate you on the mall.

I read Wolf's book decades ago (back when I was raising sociopaths), but I don't remember now much of what he said. But I think the nation as a whole has got to say to these people, as one says to those crazed teens who want to go to the mall, "Look, your behavior and ideas, are not acceptable...but we've got to talk."

What I don't remember is how Wolf suggested we do that. But in my view, it is the neurotic adoslescent behavior that is indentical in both cases.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 30, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Hi cowhand,

Teacher to 20-23 year-olds and parent to a 26 and a 24 year old.

Number of things extend childhood, except for the 18 year-olds heading off to war/military careers....'nother story.

Preciousness of the few children in this cohort born to older parents.

Involvement of parents deeply in children's lives, including college and career decisionmaking (I kid you not!).

High energy and house costs (linked).


Unwillingness to have simple, starter lives on the part of many young people. (may be changing)

Hidden costs of technology (affluence meets necessity means cool meets planned obsolescence).

Bad economy, although the last time twas this bad, was circa 1982, when I graduated from college. Trying to remember what we did, collectively? Me? Married and went grad school to write papers, make babies, garden, etc.

AND move to a starter house that most of my peers thought was "shabby and ghetto." That critique stung but was also part of the prevailing mood....not start small and modest. Wait.

Trend may be changing though, as I eavesdrop on my students. May this green sensitivity last longer than the last one....a new kind of modestly and sustainability ...instead of the 80s lurching into the go go go 90s.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 30, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Goodness, this is a prepossessing lot, isn't it?

Posted by: Yoki | March 30, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I apologize.

What do you want to do with them, then? If you aren't willing to invite them in as equals, are you not relegating them to second-class status in some way?

I still disagree that they are shutting themselves out. They get far too much attention to be considered shut out.

As to a common vocabulary, I believe there are many. Those on this blog have largely adapted a particular vocabulary, but it would make little sense to other groups.

The government has a vocabulary that, quite frankly, baffles me most of the time. When I hear my Congresswoman use it, it's just a foreign language.

If there's a framework that you want to call common, that's fine. You are wise and well-informed and lots of people will agree. You have to go with what works for you. I'm grateful for the opportunity to discuss.

Posted by: MsJS | March 30, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Note, for example, the extreme neurotic ambivalence of the super patriots who "love their country" and go on and on about it --yet hate pretty much everything about that country. That's simply not a sane, well-adjusted psychiatric condition.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 30, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Gary Trudeau put the similarity between the 60's protests and the Tea Party rallies on display in this week's Doonesbury "...same rage, same incoherence, same street theater..." It is ironic that these are people who weren't protesting then, and being an older demographic, won't go through the transformation many hippies and counter culture folks made as they grew into full adulthood. I think that the protesters feel powerless, but many of the responses just seem childish. Like the nut jobs in Michigan, who must have felt powerful (and useful, and being on the right side of 'history') having a cause to fight for, even if their main cause was just being against existing authority.
p.s. Anybody else see the "Clever Monkey" Nature show last Sunday on PBS? we are way too similar to our simian relatives.

Posted by: km2bar | March 30, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Cowhand, you're 26! But your posts are so wise. I guess I got caught in my cliches and figured you for older.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 30, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Mug shots are always scary, Yoki. Of course, what those folks were trying to do, well, murder is a crime.

I hope you're right, CqP, I think this generation of kids has a lot going for it. There is definitely something to what Cowhand says. My kids launched themselves with great joy upon graduation, but they both went to state universities and had no student debt.

Terrorism has been with us for a loong time (Gunpowder Plot, 1605, for instance). Fringe behaviour has too, but I think there's more of both nowadays, because there are more of us and an awful lot to be mad about. Much of being mad is about belonging to groups, so that people are not totally isolated. We have lost the sense of community RT spoke of, above, but we still have the myth of the individual. With all the change going on around us, it's no wonder people go crazy.

Posted by: slyness | March 30, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

What do I want to do with them, MsJS? If I knew that, I wouldn't be ranting. My dilemma is precisely *becasue* I don't know what should be done with them. Clearly, there views can't be taken seriously. Clearly they are angry. Clearly a few of them on the outer edge are actually violent and delusional (the militia wack jobs just arrested for plotting to kill police). I don't think ignoring them is the answer. I know sure as hell that letting them have their way isn't the answer (no, you CAN'T go to the mall!). It is because I don't know what to do with them that I am perplexed. (But it's not about *me* and what I want; it's about what the country should *do,* insofar as that is possible.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 30, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Anthony Wolf source online:

The thing about teenagers is that they are minors, and therefore not subject to the same rights as adults. So some of Dr. Wolf's advice might not be applicable. But it's as good a place as any to start.

Posted by: MsJS | March 30, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

National Geographic Traveler contributor Andrew Evans recently spotted and filmed an all-black king penguin—a very rare mutant—on the sub-Antarctic island of South Georgia.

Does anyone seriously believe this is not a direct result of electing Obama?

Posted by: kmurti | March 30, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, Stephen and the gang are meeting about a mile from where I sit (at home to burn some in-lieu time before the end of fiscal year tomorrow...)
The security was expecting lots of protesters but from what I saw yesterday there was more cops of all stripes than protesters. So it looks like we won't be smelling the sweet scent of tear gas but the cops will get their overtime anyway.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | March 30, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, first off, if you look at the numbers related to the "Obama is the anti-Christ" stuff, they suggest that maybe 25% to 30% of the Republicans think that Obama is the anti-Christ"

Since 30% of America self-identifies with Republicans now, that's about 10% of the total population. It would be interesting to see the breakdown by age, but I would think that the folks that would tend to think along those lines are also heavily weighted to those who have retired and who also are easily scared and really aren't up with things, like they have black players these days in the NBA.

Barack Obama just happens to trigger long standing feelings. Obama is a moderate, but he is a black moderate, making him the most evil man in the world. Look who else they have a problem with... Nancy Pelosi... I think she is a woman.

This is all new to so many folks.

How can the people with money handle this? They have to protect their billions, so they do whatever they can to fire up the poor and misguided. The largest growing business segment in Washington, DC today is Astroturf Interest Marketing.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I agree with those who suggest the teabaggers are a sort of counterculture movement of disaffected folks who feel left out of the mainstream, like those we see every generation or so (and little counter-counterculture bumps every decade between).

In this case, we have a bunch of disaffected folks who want to belong to something, but can't reconcile having supported the old-school GOP, the disasterous Bush Administrations *and* the failed McCain campaign.

So, now what? One answer could be to- reject mainstream everything and follow the models of movement leaders/icons of the 60s - Glenn Beck as Che Guevara, Newt Gingrich as Abbie Hoffman and Sarah Palin as a combination of Timothy Leary and Ken Keysey.

Hmm. Good luck with that.


Posted by: -bc- | March 30, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

This is an article in Forbes about some of the Tea Partiers:

There was an article I read recently on the HUffington Post about the people who showed up in Nevada. A lot of them are unemployed and/or on Social Security, which would explain how they have the time to go to the middle of nowhere. An article on the WaPo described the Tea Partiers at the Capitol as "mostly white and over 50". I take comfort in the fact that there aren't more young people, but then again, maybe they just don't show up at protests.

What concerns me most about these people is the violence and racism which seems to underpin the movement (see Tom Tancredo's speech at their convention). The media seems to take them seriously, unlike groups like Code Pink, which were presented as wackos. There is also money behind the Tea Party, as well as a whole TV network (Fox News) and major party (Republicans). Scary indeed.

Posted by: seasea1 | March 30, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I think the younger tea partiers are on meth, living in their parents basements.

Posted by: Jumper1 | March 30, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, I was thinking along those lines when I wrote that 12:54.

Back a couple of Kits to the LHC - here you go:

I think there may be some basic science problems with this Reuters release, not the least of which is that electron-volts is a measurement of energy, not speed.

"CERN's Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the world's biggest machine, slammed beams of particles together at a record collision energy of 7 tera-electron volts (TeV) or 7 million million electron volts -- three and a half times faster than previously achieved in a particle accelerator".

At least they got the million million part corrected.


Posted by: -bc- | March 30, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

tea is slang for marijuana

Posted by: omni3 | March 30, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Next thing you know Obama will suspend Habeas Corpus and install a massive electronic spy apparatus to focus on the general public, and start torturing people.

Oh, right. Never mind.

Posted by: Jumper1 | March 30, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article on the tea-partiers misconceptions, seasea. But I'm not sure about Bartlett's observation that "It's hard to explain this divergence between perception and reality." I think that it's rather easy: there's an entire industry, based in talk radio, Fox News, and right-wing blogs, based on building these misconceptions.

I'm also not so sure about the ideas some have expressed here that these people are in some way marginalized or disenfranchised from the political process. The frightening thing is that they are not. Sure, the militia types probably don't vote, but polls have shown craziness such as 25% of Republicans thinking that Obama is the antichrist, and that only 1/3 of them think he was born in this country. While they may be a minority in overall terms, they are a substantial part of the GOP. More importantly, they vote in disproportionate numbers in primaries, off-year elections (think Cuccinelli) and school-board elections. To a large extent, they are the ones determining which Republicans end up in state and federal offices.

Mudge is absolutely right in wondering how the hell you conduct a dialog with somebody whose starting point is that the world is actually a cube supported by three elephants standing on a giant flying turtle. Where, exactly, is the area of compromise with that viewpoint? And what do you do when they aren't somewhere out on the fringes, but sitting in Senators' and Representatives' seats in Washington?

Posted by: rashomon | March 30, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Reading the following, I see that come November, there will be an army of last-minute hires running around with USB thumb drives plugging them into voting machines manufactured by Diebold. Frantic election supervisors will be forced to ignore paranoid warnings by voting-integrity activists. This because Justice dropped the ball.

Posted by: Jumper1 | March 30, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Gonna throw in my 2 cents worth, too (adjusted for inflation, of course):

There are many in the Rethuglican party -- and not only the ones who profess to be tea baggers (thankfully not in the tea I'm currently drinking) -- who think that compromising (willingness to do so or actually doing so) is a sign of weakness. It is this steadfast absoluteness, similar to the fundamentalist religious types, that control this kind of mindset. Anything interfering with the *absoluteness* of their opinion -- without ever considering the exigencies, varieties and/or (dare I say it?) *realities* of life beyond their control -- is terrifying to them. And terror leads to anger. And anger leads to destruction, of themselves along with other purported "enemies".

What they also don't get is that they are easy prey for those who can, and do, manipulate them, making bazillions of dollars in the process. Any of that money trickling down to those who actually do the dirty work? Heck no!

I've said it before -- invariably, these people vote against their best interests continually.

And, so, back to the mines (alas, my own *reality*). But I'm sippin' on some fine vanilla-almond tea. Mmmmmmmmm.

Posted by: -ftb- | March 30, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Rashomon - in a single party red state like Texas the activists driving the primaries means that primary winners are usually the elected officials, which certainly explains the makeup of the Texas Education Board. Yes, there are Democrats, but seldom do qualified people run as a Democrat (except in larger metropolitan areas). It's a waste of their time and energy. People who want to be elected either start out Republican, or change parties somewhere along the way. It's like being a Baathist in Sadam's Iraq.
Maybe the perception of tea partiers as irrational wing nuts will energize more centrist Republican candidates but I doubt that they would ever win in the primaries. In the current climate, they will need to be Teapublicans. Just today our local paper ran a letter to the editor praising Gohmert's vote on health care reform (and I suspect that the writer was old enough to be on Medicare and probably Social Security).

Posted by: km2bar | March 30, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Jumper, you're so wrong. It'll be handled wirelessly.

Posted by: -dbG- | March 30, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Snowing here in the banana belt this morning. It began about 2 AM and is forecast to last until sometime tomorrow. We have a couple inches of white slush here at 2200 feet, temp 33.
It was 75 saturday

Posted by: bh72 | March 30, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

rashomon, just so you know, I totally TOTALLY understand that they vote. I also know that they HAVE BEEN voting all along. They consistently vote until they die. (unlike us Dems, it appears). My point is that they have been there all the time. What really has changed is that there is so much money invested in stirring this all up.

The folks who should be worried are the Republicans who's fundraising has been totally fractured. It appears that Michael Steele's National Committee is having a hard time keeping up with the Dems right now and that isn't a good sign.

On one hand, that is good in that the financial support efforts from the right has been dispersed into over a dozen major PACs. The bad news for the Democrats is that it won't be so predictable. It is more likely that the Republican party will become a bit of a feudal system where there would be regional power bases.

While the Special Elections this past 12 months have proved that the Right has strength, it has also proved as in NY that there will be damaging battles between wings of the Republican party. Further, the lessons of Virginia on a local basis is that the Republicans will not be shy about rolling back basic civil rights once given the opportunity. Forgive the allusion to the race item at this point, but civil rights make for a very "black and white" issue for the more progressive voter.

In other words, this rabid wingnut behavior will drive progressives and independents to the polls in November. Further, until it happens, polling will not reflect the level of concern amongst mainstream Americans.

Finally, the imagery of the militia arrests and their plans and tactics sound almost exactly like Al Qaida and independent voters will associate the militia threats through the language being used by Republican politicians to the Tea faction, to a certain degree. Palin and her supporters may think that they can rally votes to win elections, but the radical, angry, violent, suppressing language is hurting their cause even as it gets them on TV.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Of course, in the words of my departed father, "RT, you could very well be wrong."

Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Why do dads have to say that, RT? :-)

Posted by: -TBG- | March 30, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I have a question about anti-trust laws: are there any major US airports left at which the airport services are NOT "provided" by HMSHost?

Posted by: ScienceTim | March 30, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Hi CqP, thanks for the lengthy response.

I will say that my situation immediately after college was different from many of my friends. After graduation I bummed around Annapolis (graduated from St. John's College) working jobs that primarily paid the rent (barely) and kept the fridge stocked with beer and food.

However, I had a job that I had worked through college and that I had left the winter of my senior year in order to concentrate on school work and being broke. They called and asked for me to come back and made me a full time offer with benefits, etc. That sort of thing is serendipitous and cannot be counted on. It also means I was not trying to find my first "real" job when the economy was tanking. Many friends of mine were not so lucky when they tried to make the transition.

I suppose we'll see how it all plays out. Or, I guess, I'll be playing it out and observing all at the same time. Is it the Chinese who say "May you live in interesting times?"

Posted by: cowhand214 | March 30, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

TBG, don't you think that most No. Virginians were a bit stunned when the newly elected Gov. and the AG decided to rescind certain civil rights so immediately after being sworn in like two Manchurian Candidates coming out into the open after laying low for a dozen years? To me, that and that alone was enough to convince every lazy voter to show up.

In am hearing that there are actually larger crowds demonstrating about that move, than say, the Tea Party folks. I also hear that there were huge rallies about Immigration Reform that basically went uncovered by the media.

Jumper's point about the Patriot Act still really sting in the heart of a real American. We are talking about civil rights that go back before the United States was formed. I am really uncomfortable about the coexistence of the Patriot Act and the Patriot Movement.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

They shouldn't have been surprised, RT. Cuccinelli is from up here and has been representing a NoVa district in the state Senate for a while. (He was very nearly beaten in 2008. If he doesn't do anything too drastic while he's AG, at least we're safe knowing his district is now in Democratic hands.)

And this is what the Washington Post said about him in their endorsement of his opponent for Attorney General...

"However, there is reason to worry that Mr. Cuccinelli would treat the job of attorney general as an ideological crusade. We take him at his word when he says he intends to fight with the federal government over constitutional and legislative issues that stick in his craw. In the past, he has introduced measures calling on Congress to amend the Constitution to deny citizenship to children of undocumented immigrants, and to subvert the First Amendment by barring journalists from knocking on the doors of bereaved families. (Those bills failed to attract any support.) He attacked the efforts of some Republican lawmakers to secure adequate funding for schools and roads. He doubts the science of global warming and casts aspersions on the motives of those who are concerned about it. He peddles outmoded, half-baked and prejudicial theories about homosexuals.

"Given his sometimes bizarre and incendiary ideas, we worry that Mr. Cuccinelli would drive qualified and nonpartisan lawyers away, transform the attorney general's office into a staging ground for his pet peeves and causes, and make it an object of ridicule in a state where it has enjoyed a long run of respect."

So... you see... no one should have been surprised. He's doing exactly what he said he'd do and exactly what he's been doing for years. The problem is that he doesn't LOOK like a raving lunatic, even though he pretty much is.

Posted by: -TBG- | March 30, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

The immigration reform rally had the misfortune of being on the same day as the health care vote (Mar 21), so it got drowned out. The WaPo and networks covered it, barely. Of course, it was peaceful and had no signs of Obama as Hitler, so who could blame them (just kidding!).

Lessee - on the kids being covered till they're 26 - I had the great fortune of having health insurance through my very large corporation which covered kids up to age 26. So when my kid got appendicitis when he was 21, he was covered. He was working at the time but had no health insurance through his job (probably because they kept his hours below 40). He would have been covered till he was 26, but had to be living in my house, or in school. Not sure what the restrictions are under the health reform law (it's a law now, not a bill!). He now has health insurance through his job, and when I got laid off, he offered to help me if necessary (he's 28 now)...

Posted by: seasea1 | March 30, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

TBG, There is, of course, no doubting it, now. Eh?

Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The Post really nailed that one, TBG.

Posted by: rashomon | March 30, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

And yet he still won, rashomon. We had such poor Dem candidates/campaigning in our statewide races in 2009. Should have been a cakewalk.

Posted by: -TBG- | March 30, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Standard Model like River City?

Posted by: Jumper1 | March 30, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Danged elitist scientists running around breaking fundamental laws. What's next -- dogs and cats sleeping together?

Posted by: rashomon | March 30, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

They broke a law of nature? One word: epoxy.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 30, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Platonic nappings
Allowed by Ma Nature's laws
And big, long sofas...


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 30, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking Campbell's might want to market quark-gluon plasma as the next 'in' soup, but the 4 trillion degrees Celsius serving temperature would be tough on most soup spoons.

Posted by: MsJS | March 30, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson's discussion covering the areas of the Mudge Rant:

Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness for Etch-a-Sketch.

Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Campbell's Chunky New England Home-Style Quark-Gluon Chowder -- Now with Alphabet Pasta! Mm-mm, good! Hearty, too.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 30, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Another controversial speech cancelled, this one by a leftie.

Posted by: MsJS | March 30, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Does it come in a microwave-safe container?

Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Doe you serve it as is or do you have to add isotopes?

Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Knorr's might make it in an "instant" variety:

"When the gold nuclei, traveling at 99.999% of the speed of light, smashed together, the plasma that resulted was so energetic that a tiny cube of it with sides measuring about a quarter of the width of a human hair..."

I guess that would make it a cube of gold bouillon.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 30, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I haven't gotten too excited by the election of Pat Robertson, I mean Bob McDonnell, to the governorship of the commonwealth. Several features of Virginia election law and history worked in his favor. The governor cannot serve consecutive terms, so there is never an incumbent advantage. The elections are held in the year following presidential elections, so there is virtually nothing else on the ballot and turnout is low. It is a fact that every Virginia governor since 1977 has come from the opposition party to the president. It's a weak office and designed to be that way. The downside of all this is that no governor has to face the electorate and take responsibility for his actions. Mark Warner is probably the only former governor who could be elected again. He spent most of his term cleaning up after Allen and Gilmore, and did a pretty good job of it.

Posted by: kguy1 | March 30, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Now here's a real shocker: Ricky Martin says he's gay. Who woulda thunk.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | March 30, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Actually, kguy, I'm pretty sure Allen could have been reelected. His popularity was always inexplicable to me, since he always struck me as a junior-high school bully who never matured, but was nonetheless real. I think we owe the videographer with the mullet a huge vote of thanks. Without the "macacca" comment, Obama might well have been facing a far-more-electable Allen/Romney ticket in '08.

Posted by: rashomon | March 30, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

That is, far more electable than McCain/Palin.

Posted by: rashomon | March 30, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The Xerox machine is now 50 years old and, like a lot of us, obsolete.

The first xerox copy I had made was on one of those 12 foot high models. It was in 1959 and I was working for the US Air Force at McClellan AFB in Sacramento. The machine was in a dark room manned by an official operator. I had to get a signature from a colonel to have a copy made. I don't remember what the original document was that was so important that we needed copies. Anyway the operator pulled out a thin glass tray from the machine, raised the cover, put in the original, sprinkled some black powder over it, closed the cover. tilted it back and forth a few times, stuck it back in the hugh machine and in a few minutes I had one copy and the original with black finger prints on it.

Posted by: bh72 | March 30, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh, in the absence of macacca Allen would have been re-elected to the Senate without a doubt, but I'm talking gubernater here, and George A managed to poke several gaping holes in the budget bucket during his tenure which persisted (and were enlarged by Gilmore) until Warner managed to get a tax increase through the legislature. A lot of the problems with VDOT were his doing too. I think he would have had considerably more trouble being elected governor again.

Posted by: kguy1 | March 30, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

From the comments on the RNC strip club story-

This poor young woman was just doing her job trying to whip up support from donors. Unfortunately for her, FEC transparency has proved to be a harsh mistress. Her career is going to be chained to this story for a long time, and anyone in the RNC who might have said some safe words of support has probably been gagged by Chairman Steele. This whole debacle has gotten her properly licked. To top it off, now Steele has to beat off even more allegations of hypocrisy in his party, but because of the public nature of this reveal, his hands are probably tied.

Posted by: dkp01 | March 30, 2010 4:33 PM

dkpo1, I like the way you talk.

Posted by: kguy1 | March 30, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Here is an ambitious and accomplished young woman that is not being gagged.

Posted by: bh72 | March 30, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

bh72 -- you are funny.

I'm surprised (and maybe Xerox is, too, after all the money they spent) that people are using "xerox" with "photocopy" -- thereby rendering that famous trademark into generic-land. Cellophane and escalator are two marks that went generic, so there's no protection for either one of them. Xerox Corporation spent bazillions of dollars to attempt to educate people to use the term "photocopy" in order to protect their intellectual property and valuable good will in that mark. Ah, well.

And, yes, *I* do use the term "photocopy", so my hands are clean ... unless, of course, someone pours some black powder on them.

I agree with you, rashomon, about your depiction of Allen as a junior high school bully. Interestingly, soon after the "macaca" incident, someone with apparently nothing else to do checked Allen's genealogy and found some Jews in there somewhere. Allen was very unhappy, as were the Jews, who really, really didn't want him in the tribe, having had quite enough from the old time gangsters and, well, Henry Kissinger. Hard to keep them out, yanno.

What do you say, Mudge?

Posted by: -ftb- | March 30, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Chairman? Motion to increase goofiness of conversation by 7:30 pm EDT.

Posted by: Yoki | March 30, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Will these babies grow up to chase dogs up trees?

Posted by: bh72 | March 30, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

SCC: are using "xerox" with "photocopy" *interchangeably*


Posted by: -ftb- | March 30, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

BTW, you folks in DC will have a chance to meet more Tea Partiers April 15-19 - Tax Day rally and 2nd Amendment rally:

Woo hoo!

I second Yoki's motion.

Posted by: seasea1 | March 30, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

If I can do one thing in life well, it would be to keep any office I work in from buying a Xerox™ brand photocopier. Everywhere I've ever worked, the Xerox™ brand repairman consistently has been a familiar fixture--like one of the gang. Not so with Canon™, OKI™ or other brand machines.

Most often the excuse is that "you didn't get the proper machine for the amount of copying you do," which translates to ME to "our salesman was horrible and didn't sell you the proper size machine."

Now.. I've got a tickle in my nose. Let me go get a kleenex.

Posted by: -TBG- | March 30, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey, there, Rococo!

Posted by: Jumper1 | March 30, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I always say xerox for copy. It is only in the last several years that I have learned to say "soda" rather than "Coke" (as generic for soft drink), and "tissues" for "kleenex". Parenting has forced me to clean up my language.

Though I still occasionally confound my family by saying "icebox" instead of "refrigerator".

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 30, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Oooooh, Ivansmom, I remember chasing the milkman in his little truck down the street with my friends, both for rides in the back and the chance to get huge chunks of ice to take home to my mom to put on/in/over (whatever) the "icebox".

Is it time to get goofy, yet? I *do* like your attitude, Yoki!

Posted by: -ftb- | March 30, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Hmm. I say kleenex for tissue, photocopy and photocopier, pop for soda, refrigerator. I'm trying to remember if I use any other brand names as generics... nope, don't think so. That's not terribly bad.

Posted by: Yoki | March 30, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Xerox Corp is based in Rochester NY, so a lot of deaf students from RIT have worked at Xerox over the years.

There is only one sign for "photocopy" and it uses a X handshape.

English-speakers could just rebel against the trademark and just say Xerx or another variant they couldn't really bust us for.

As for Coke-- coke has been a word long before Coca-Cola was invented.

When consulting, I'd much rather my surgeon say "pass me the Kleenex" if he wants one, rather than "pass me the tissue."

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 30, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, that was funny

Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Many years ago MrJS was traveling in France and found himself in need of facial tissues. His French being not-too-good, he did a lot of hand gesturing to the woman behind the counter regarding his need.

She immediately got it and said, "Ahh, Kleenex!"

Posted by: MsJS | March 30, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

MsJS, I am so glad she didn't say "Ahh, Charmin"

Posted by: russianthistle | March 30, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

ftb... I'm confused. You are younger than my husband and he's never seen a "working" icebox in his life. Where did you grow up? In the 1930s? :-)

Ivansmom... my nephew from your area says you could hear this conversation in your parts...

"You want a coke?"

"Sure... get me a Dr. Pepper."

Posted by: -TBG- | March 30, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

We had a proper zinc-lined icebox at my Grandmother's cottage when I was growing up (and I'm just a little younger than ftb); my uncle used to cut ice off the lake in the winter and store it in the grape arbour under tarps and hay. It would last until at least the end of July. There was also a little round-shouldered c. 1950 refrigerator that lasted until she sold the cottage in the late 70s or early 80s. I predict that wouldn't happen with 'durable goods' these days. We also had a one-holer outhouse until my parents bought a chemical loo in the 70s, but there was never a bathroom with even cold running water, ever.

Man, no wonder I liked going to my cousin's heated, electrified bathroomed cottage down the road whenever I could slip away for a night!

Posted by: Yoki | March 30, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Outside of Detroit, TBG. My parents were not well off -- certainly not as well off as they became later in life. My mother also had a washing machine with a wringer on the outside. Mom was tiny, and to watch her do the wringing by using all her tininess putting the heavy wet clothes through that wringer was indeed a sight. She hung the laundry out in the back yard to dry; on rainy days, they dried in the basement.

Yep, we had one 'o them ice boxes. Very, very cool (so to speak) when we got our first Frigidaire and didn't need to collect ice anymore.

Posted by: -ftb- | March 30, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

The refrigerator I grew up with was the one my dad bought in the fall of 1941; it was the last one on the sales floor. It too was round-shouldered and of course my mother had to defrost it periodically. She moved it to the house on the farm in 1974, but it only lasted a couple of years after that. At any time, over 30 years with an appliance is a marvel...

Posted by: slyness | March 30, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

OK.. that makes sense, ftb. I didn't mean to sound snarky and hope it didn't come across that way. I was just wondering. Thanks.

Posted by: -TBG- | March 30, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Hah! My Grandma had a wringer/washer in her house in town right through the sixties, though I think the wringer was electrified, as was the wash tub. Oh, we loved that thing! Because Grandma's town house was an 1830s converted store on the main street, it had a dry-stone-wall and dirt-floor basement that smelled of mould and had shelves and shelves of scary stuff (the first electrified waffle iron, flat irons. rotting shirtwaists, mysterious bits of shotguns from the 30s), and because we were a tribe who didn't always take kindly to being told we had to play with some stranger-child (usually not as imaginative nor bold as we were [at least when we were all together]). the cellar made a perfect "dungeon" in which to invite them; they generally fled back upstairs within minutes leaving us to frolic in our domain.

Look, I'm not proud of this.

Posted by: Yoki | March 30, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

My dad, who turns 70 this year, uses the term 'icebox' to this day.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 30, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm flattered that laloomis has begun telling my tale, though she is calling me "Lisa" for some strange reason, rather than giving my real name. Perhaps it is easier to plagiarise someone else's work by hiding the original source? Go on, laloomis - buy the book, and acknowledge that you are copying out chunks from Fallen Order, by Karen Liebreich, published by Grove Atlantic, available in all good bookshops or on Amazon... Very relevant these days as it tells the tale of how the Catholic patron saint of education colluded in a major paedophile scandal that brought down a priestly order. Plus ça change...

Posted by: karenliebreich | March 30, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

We still say we DIAL the phone. When we make money we go KA-CHING! (And the cashier still RINGS something up).

There are a ton of these I can't think of right now, but they're not much different than calling the fridge the icebox.

Posted by: -TBG- | March 30, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

It's surprising how long non-electric refrigeration lasted, even in the wilds of suburbia. I remember dry ice in the frozen-food bins at grocery stores well into the 1970s. The elementary school I went to in sixth grade was right next to an Albertson's, and the scraps that were dumped in back of the store were scooped up to play "hot potato" at recess -- much to the chagrin of the nuns, who were probably certain it was going to end up stuck to someone's tongue.

Posted by: rashomon | March 30, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Hi Karen! Welcome to the 'Boodle. Even though laloomis' posts about your book were completely off-topic, we'd love to hear what you also have to say about... let's see.. what are we talking about today? Obama's mainstream admin, the Large Hadron Collider, Xerox™ and Kleenex™...

You'll see that much of our conversation is off-topic as far as Joel's original post (the "Kit") goes, but subjects of interest to most of us tend to be discussed thoroughly, if not comically.

Posted by: -TBG- | March 30, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Regarding brand names used generically: way back when, we used to use "Trojan" as a generic term.

Still use "Brillo" as a generic. And just about every one of use uses "Band-Aid" generically. All stretchy arm/leg bandages are "ACE bandages" no matter who makes them. And I have heard people refer to their denim pants as "Levi's" without much regard for who actually made them.

Most disposable cigarette lighters are Bics. If they are not disposable, we called them Zippo's. I don't care who built it: it's a Porta-Potty. Coffee goes in a thermos. Those kids' blocks are Leggos. When my wife has a headache, she takes Tylenol, no matter who's acetomenomenomophenommenonin it is. When I have an upset stomach, I chew some Tums, even when they aren't.

They put Astro-Turf on football fields, all bleach is Chlorox, and back in the day all vacuum cleaners were Hoovers (not so any more). Also way back when, a record player was a Victrola.

I've never used any tape in my life that wasn't Scotch tape, no matter who made it. I tend to say "Saran Wrap" the same way.

No, ftb, I was not happy about George Allen joining the trip.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 30, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

TBG, I grew up with phones with dials. There's something fun if slow about that wheelie thing.

Iceboxes-- I don't know if I've ever seen a non-electrified one, but I've seen plenty of old, heavy-lidded ones at rural stores. They're always parked outside on the porch with no obvious cord.

I always thought people just kept calling the coffin-built ones "iceboxes." To call them freezers or fridges just doesn't do credit to their character.

Heck, I owned a typewriter until I was in my 20's. Just a steampunker at heart, I guess.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 30, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Well, that was interesting.

Posted by: Jumper1 | March 30, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I remember when we first moved to a small town in the interior of British Columbia, #1 saw her first IBM Selectric (TM) typewriter in the window of a local junk shop. I asked her (then, about 13 years old) if she knew what it was. She looked deeply uncomfortable, sort of ground her toe into the ground, and said on a rising inflection, "Um... an ancient computer missing the monitor?" She really didn't know the word 'typewriter.' I thought that was telling. And it was a self-correcting Selectric! We were swooning with pleasure when we got them at the oil company c. 1978.

Posted by: Yoki | March 30, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

And let's not forget about Jacuzzi, which I never realized was a registered trademark until Satan masqueraded as a hot-tub salesman on "Northern Exposure."

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 30, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Howdy karenliebreich. Glad to see you here, though sorry for the circumstances. Your book is under copyright protection, I take it.

TBG, that "coke . . . Dr. Pepper" conversation was repeated throughout my childhood and is common today. It was a real shock to move away, say "sure" when asked if I wanted a coke, and get - a Coke.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 30, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I will never forget my daughters, short lived, fascination with my dad's old electric typewriter, she loved it but eventually she realized there was no spell check (yes apple = tree :-)).

I am in for silly after two days headache is gone, sun is shining, grass is getting green.

I also remember rotary dial phones, but more importantly I remember when we got our new push button phones, my mom got a "princess" phone for their bedroom - the button lit up and I thought it was the coolest thing ever. Did anyone else learn to play Mary Had a Little Lamb on their new push button phone? - keep in mind I was about 5-7 when we got the phones. Remember how heavy they were?

Posted by: dmd3 | March 30, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

And Formica™ countertops!

I love how Hints from Heloise never uses a brand name; my sisters and I often share her column when she comes up with uses for "wooden tiles from a crossword-puzzle board game" or suggests uses for "petroleum jelly."

Posted by: -TBG- | March 30, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Here is Ms. Liebreich's website:

And a synopsis of her book:

Posted by: yellojkt | March 30, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

So glad your headache is gone, dmd.

This is for Joel.,2884/

Posted by: Yoki | March 30, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

There are generic versions of Scrabble?

Posted by: dmd3 | March 30, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I understand the need for manufacturers to enthusiastically protect trademarks. I believe the law is not on their side if they do not. But come on "I am stuck on band-aid brand" just doesn't flow.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 30, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

And this is for MsJS:

The Dancing Cabman
- JS Morton -

Alone on the lawn
The cabman dances
In the dew of dawn
he kicks and prances

His bowler is set
on his bullet head
for his boots are wet
and his aunt is dead

There on the lawn
As the light advances,
On the tide of the dawn,
The cabman dances.

Swift and strong
as a garden roller
he dances along
in his little bowler

skimming the lawn
with royal grace
the dew of dawn
on his great red face

To fairy flutes
as the light advances
in square black boots
the cabman dances.

Posted by: Yoki | March 30, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

No, there are not, dmd... that's what makes it funny when she insists on not using brand names. Why not just say Scrabble™ tiles? It's not like she's recommending a particular game. Her column is full of stuff like that.

Of course, her column is full of completely stupid hints, too. Like the one that says you should keep your email addresses in a "phone index box" (read: Rolodex™) next to your computers so they'll always be handy.

Posted by: -TBG- | March 30, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Why thank you, Yoki!

*Snoopy happy-feet dance*

Posted by: MsJS | March 30, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Welcome, Ms. Liebreich! Your books sounds fascinating; I'll bet you had an interesting time researching it. If you'd like to tell us about it, we'd be delighted to hear. My particular interest is the English Rennaissance, but I always enjoy learning anything about the 17th century. It's amazing how much we owe to the events and culture of that era.

Posted by: slyness | March 30, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Karen Liebreich, I was not finished telling a wee part of your tale, a bit of the information within your preface--fascinating as it is. I was hoping that you would be more revealing with the details about your research, the pursuit of truth, the search, much more like the telling of Jonathan Harr's "The Lost Painting."

Yes, I own your book. I highly recommend others purchase it. I commend you on your persistence in tracking down the truth of the matter, hours and hours within dusty archives--that pedophilia within the Catholic Church is not just an issue that has occurred over the past several decades, but goes back at least 375 years.
Others should know the part in your preface about then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger--a real twist in the contemporary story.

So I shall not continue with the story of your bravery, but recommend that others buy "The Fallen Order." I just wanted to do the slow reveal, giving you full kudos on Friday. But surely it's important enough that some journalism outlet enable you to write a current op-ed in light of the ongoing scandal in the Vatican.

I can certainaly loop back to the suppression of the Knights Templar by the Catholic Churtch, since antecedents were both Knights Templar and Phillip the Fair.

Posted by: laloomis | March 30, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Is wet vac a brand name? Nevermind, I don't care, all I know is I'll be using it all night in shifts with "S" as we try to keep the water from reaching the washer and dryer and extra refrigerator (which is not an ice box - altho' I remember my childhood friend had one at their 'camp').

Wettest March ever and second wettest month ever here! No kidding...

Posted by: badsneakers | March 30, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Too funny TBG. Not sure what is more funny having a rolodex by the computer or still using one. Speaking of tradenames that became the standard, rolodex, daytimer (both pretty obsolete now though).

Ms. Liebreich hope you post about your book or any topic, warm welcome.

Posted by: dmd3 | March 30, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Yoki | March 30, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Loomis, why don't you research pedophila in the Anglican church? There's a history equally as long and rich.

All institutions attract flawed people seeking to protect their deeds with the guise of power and authority.

Actually, why don't you go research pedophilia in your own family tree?

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 30, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Specifically, William Marshall is my antecedent--many others antedecents or members on the Plantagenet family tree fought in or led the Crusades. Phillip the Fair is a distant great-grandfather, and on the family tree are the my Beaufort cousins the Tudors Henry VIII and Elizabeth I.

If I had my druthers, your book should be on amazon's Top 10.

Posted by: laloomis | March 30, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

The word *shameless* comes to mind.

Posted by: -dbG- | March 30, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I think it is interesting that 15-25% of women report being sexually molested as children, and the vast majority of those cases DO NOT involve catholic priests.

30% are a form of incest; 60% are friends of the family-- babysitters, neighbors, older siblings' friends. Strangers are 10%.


I am personally sick of listening to you carp on your new favorite vocabulary word of the day.

Some of us have lived with this issue for decades and truly don't need your bigoted public service announcements on the subject.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 30, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

What I think Ms. Liebreich is owed is an apology.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 30, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

A TPer 2nd Amendment rally in DC on the 15th?

Glad I'll be way outta town... :-O

Speaking of tea leaves, mine are suggesting this will be my year-of-the-summer-that-wasn't... *SIGH*

And plus la change, plus c'est la meme chose...

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 30, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

We know, from contemporary research, that predators are attracted to power-relationships. Sports-teams, churches, choirs, prisons, group-homes, half-way houses, seminaries, hospitals, old-people's residences, care-homes, private homes; anywhere that questioning authority labels the questioner 'rebellious' when he or she is powerless and dependent and subjugated, that is fertile ground for exploitation of whatever kind. This is not a church problem (no matter, and no discrimination, the denomination). It is a problem of power-imbalance.

Posted by: Yoki | March 30, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

There's pedophilia in the Boy Scouts as well, if you watched ABC News tonight.

However, the Catholic church doesn't do much about it, does it? It either ignores or tends to promote the abusers.

Intersting the reporting by the Washington Post, reporter Anthony Faiola, this afternoon about the scandal. Faiola types Pope Pious XXII (22nd), when no such pope exists--aren't there copy editors on WaPo staff any more? Read Liebrich's book to find out the connection between Pope Pious XXI (12th) and the bulk of her story.

And Faiola had an interesting graf:

Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn of Vienna, for instance, this week publicly countered accusations that Benedict turned a blind eye to abuse scandals when, as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he headed a powerful Vatican office in charge of disciplinary action of the clergy between 1981 and 2005. Schoenborn said that Ratzinger in 1995 pressed for a special investigation into the former archbishop of Vienna, Cardinal Hans Hermann Groer, for allegedly molesting young monks. That push, Schoenborn said, was blocked by aides to then-Pope John Paul II.

So, Vatican, open your books, open your records.

And to answer Science Tim's question of a month or more back. Yes, I am a rape victim. So this rape and torture of small kids by the Catholic Church incenses me to no end. Just so you understand some of my motivation.

Posted by: laloomis | March 30, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I dare say, I wish someone would eat their druthers

In other news, Padouk is Washington Post dead-tree Humorist:

(can I put that hyphen between d and t ?)

Saw it the Health and Sciences section of today's paper.

Posted by: omni3 | March 30, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Part of the reason why FMP, as used by bc, set me off a tear, too...

Posted by: laloomis | March 30, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Why no summer, Scotty? (As shop steward, I can let you have an afternoon off now and then...)

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 30, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry. Did Loomis just commit a clear violation of copyright - which could result in civil damages - and try to excuse it with variants of "I really like your work" and "I was going to give you credit at the end, along with your real name which I deliberately didn't use"? Not much shocks me, but that does.

Speaking as a lawyer, if I were working for Ms. Liebreich's publisher the only thing standing between Loomis and a lawsuit would be clear lack of any forthcoming posts quoting from Ms. Liebreich's book ever again on the Internet anywhere. Fair use doesn't apply here and there simply is no excuse for this. It would get a student in serious trouble at law school - I've seen them kicked out for less. Ms. Liebreich is owed an apology at the very least, but frankly it would probably be better from a legal standpoint if she never heard from Loomis - even indirectly - again.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 30, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I agree. Karen Liebreich, I am sorry. I am sorry that I didn't use your name in full on Monday or Tuesday.

I'm also sorry that men (and sometimes, but far less frequently) commit rape and sexual torture--directed toward both sexes, young and old, either in the name of religion and or in the name of power, or for whatever sick reasons they have.

Posted by: laloomis | March 30, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

That's a horrible tragedy Loomis. But it doesn't give you a blank check. I have my own issues, as, I am sure, do many of us. But I don't use it as a justification for bad behavior.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 30, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

And speaking of copy editors, it is spelled "Pius," not "Pious."

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 30, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

So, do you think it is psychologically healthy for you to dwell on this subject? Honestly? Have you consulted a psychologist on this subject and discussed strategies to deal with your anger?

I'm incensed too, especially the deaf school angle, but it does ME no good to dwell on it. This headline is only one of a thousand on the same subject by a variety of offenders today.

I choose to surround myself with the good in life. The Achenblog is one of those goods, and I don't come here to be reminded ad nauseum of how evil people are.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 30, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Someone remind me.

What's it called when someone is always the victim, always misunderstood, always unappreciated?

IIRC, Tim asked that question in light of a particularly insensitive comment you made about someone else. Don't look for sympathy here.

Posted by: -dbG- | March 30, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

XXI is twenty-one

Man this is so tiresome. just go

Posted by: omni3 | March 30, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

A Jewish mother?

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 30, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Chopped liver?

Posted by: -dbG- | March 30, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I've just spent a half hour laughing at these examples of Tea-bonics:

Posted by: yellojkt | March 30, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

A Steven Seagal movie?

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 30, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

If whining is brief:
A dog-- true, lovable and loyal.
Life's wags, not baggage.


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 30, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

And some Etch-A-Sketch art:

Posted by: yellojkt | March 30, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

It's like going through life as a bargain brand paper towel.

Posted by: -dbG- | March 30, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm cancelling my Netflix order of "Doubt."

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 30, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

In my experience, FMPs are only ever worn consensually.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 30, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

RIP, Jaime Escalante, 79, model for "Stand and Deliver."

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 30, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

LiT once explained to me, FMP does not mean what I think it does. But I forget...

Posted by: omni3 | March 30, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

'Stand and Deliver' is one of my favorite school themed movies a very very close second to 'To Sir With Love'

RiP Jaime

Posted by: omni3 | March 30, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I remember almost all of your brand-name stuff. As I grew up, in our slipshod fashion we always used the really popular stuff as the generic title independently of the actual brand.

It is only as we were forced to teach the Boy language by example that I began saying "tissue" etc. This wasn't so much out of respect for the brand name as my pedantic nature, or perhaps the certainty that the infant Boy would lisp, "but Mommy, it not Kleenex. It Puffs!"

It is interesting how once one is bereft of the convenience of brand choices must be made. "Soda" or "pop" - since the commonplace here, "coke", was discarded. Or other choices - paper bag v. paper sack for instance. I found this distinction was vivid and meaningful when I moved to the Northeast and people had no idea what I'd asked for.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 30, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Foodservice Management Professional, omni.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 30, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

The pop/soda/coke map:

Posted by: yellojkt | March 30, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

yello - I love that map. For I was born a pop man. But I have been thoroughly assimilated into the soda world.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 30, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey, RD Padouk, congratulations on making the print edition with your excellently risible physics joke! and thanks to omni for the link, for those of us in the hinterlands.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 30, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

The BYOG (Bring Your Own Gun) is on April 19 - that being a significant date for militia types (start of our very own Revolutionary War, Waco fire, OKC bombing). Such nice folks. Why would anyone ever get the idea they're promoting violence? Glad I'm thousands of miles away.

Posted by: seasea1 | March 30, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Ferragamo Manolo Pucci

I probably splet one of those { at least ) wrong

Posted by: omni3 | March 30, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Feedom isn't free. The sign carrier is correct. There is clearly a fee.

Posted by: -TBG- | March 30, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

And I have always said "Coke" despite growing up in soda country. Just a southerner at heart. I do remember a summer when a friend and I laughed ourselves silly at western New York staters calling it "pop", with the flat "o" to boot.

Posted by: seasea1 | March 30, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Forest Management Plan? I read about it every time I go up to the lake.

Posted by: --dr-- | March 30, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Bravo RD, Bravo! I always knew you were a man of many talents.

Posted by: --dr-- | March 30, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

You and me both, RD. I purged "pop" from my vocabulary. What I'm wondering about the map is the "other" category. What do you call it other than pop, coke, or soda? "Carbonated sweet beverage?" "Fizzy drink?" "HFCS-laced carp?"

Posted by: Raysmom | March 30, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I was ridiculously pleased and profoundly honored to see my quote in the dead-tree version. There is something powerful about seeing one's words on actual paper. It is a rush. Thanks Joel!

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 30, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I have heard people actually use the term "soft drink."

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 30, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I ask for Diet Cola, and then I'm asked if Pepsi is OK. Sigh. Yes, that'll be fine.

I can only think of four colas off the top of my head: Coca, Pepsi, RC, and one I wouldn't want to drink.

Posted by: omni3 | March 30, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

OK.. let's move on...

Hero? Sub? Grinder?

Posted by: -TBG- | March 30, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Hoagie, zep.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 30, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of which, and circling back to brand names used generically, there used to be a common reference to a very large stacked sandwich called a "Dagwood," after the comic strip.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 30, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

All I know is sub or hoagie (what's a Grinder?)

Hoagie cause I kinda grew up in NE Philly and sub cause I adapted well when I moved to Maryland in '87

Posted by: omni3 | March 30, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Mudged by Mudge, of course

Posted by: omni3 | March 30, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

April 19th is the day that the British began the march to Lexington and Concord and Paul Revere and William Dawes raced to tell everyone that the British were coming. Thus began the American Revolution. It's celebrated every year as Patriot's Day in Massachusetts and Maine.

The reenactment happens every year on the Concord National Park.

Posted by: rickoshea1 | March 30, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Hoagie (Grinder is the same thing in New England, IIRC). They're called subs out here, and I confuse the sandwich makers terribly when I ask them to hold the mustard and mayo - just oil and vinegar for me.

Milkshake, frappe, or cabinet?

Posted by: seasea1 | March 30, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Reubens. Caesar Salad.

Posted by: -dbG- | March 30, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Grinders are hot. Hoagies are cold, with the exception of cheesesteak hoagies.

Posted by: -dbG- | March 30, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Milkshake, not that I *ever* have one, sigh.

Around here, we ask if you want a drink, we've got water, tea, and Diet Coke (or whatever, I try to vary the assortment). I don't think we offer soda or pop. Skim milk is generally available, and I can make lemonade if asked. Tea is always iced, unless you ask for hot, but that's available. I will get the coffeemaker out for special occasions; I actually keep a bag of good coffee in the freezer for close family who drink it...

Posted by: slyness | March 30, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Sub. Milkshake. When I moved East and was asked about grinders and frappes I was deeply disconcerted. Those folks talked funny.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 30, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Mostly called 'subs' in New England. Soda/pop/coke used to be called tonic here. Don't hear it used anymore. I think we all got sick of trying to explain that we didn't mean tonic water.

Posted by: badsneakers | March 30, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Tea: sweet tea or unsweetened? I grew up with sweet but have weaned myself off it.

Another difference: in the Northeast, iced tea was a seasonal drink.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 30, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I downloaded Firefox today and have been using it since this evening. So many similarities with Safari yet enough differences that it will take some time to get use to. Unlike the transition from IE to Safari when it was so way much better.

Best part is I can load the crossword puzzle and not have it freeze and crash my ISP browser (it would never show up in Safari, just got a Java cup)

There are some things I like better, and so far the only things I don't like are those that are different. But I'll adjust.

Worst difference so far is I can't resize my Comments text box.carp

And where is spell check?

I may go back to Safari and use Firefox for the crosswords and sudokus only, Safari seems faster to me. But I'll give it some time and explore my options and preferences a bit first. (any body else make this transition, and go back?

Posted by: omni3 | March 30, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Not now it's not. It's everywhere.

I can't pass the Entemann's discount store near my house without thinking of you, Ivansmom.

Posted by: -dbG- | March 30, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Quite true. Only ever had iced tea in the warm months. It was kinda weird how right after labor day and the start of school my brother and I had to drink milk with supper, no more iced tea.

And never heard of sweetened tea until I moved to Maryland. One always had a choice of adding lemon and sugar, and how much. A few people mixed the tea with fruit juice, like orange juice, but that just seemed weird.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | March 30, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Just "shake," thank you. I remember being told many years ago that McDonalds was prohibited from referring to them as "milkshakes" because they didn't contain enough milk. Possibly just an urban myth.

Posted by: rashomon | March 30, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Granny had an ice box until, circa 71 or 72 she had a Frigidaire...and that is what she called it. Always. It was a store model from the back or the basement and was the fleshtone pink of the 50s.

She also called all vacuum cleaners a Hoover, 'cept the Electrolux that she dreamed about.

And, we called all plain chocolate bars a Hershey....wait, what other plain chocolate bars were there back then? Seems to me that I noticed Cadbury in the late seventies...Nestles? Did they have a plain bar?

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 30, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

There is enough regional variation in sandwiches that the different names are justified. I grew up on cubans which traditionally contain only pork, ham, swiss cheese, pickles and mustard.

My New England mother (I still have to get the birthday card my wife bought in the mail. It's not altruism on her part, she is angling for a share of the inheritance) was always extolling to us the meaning of grinder, frappe, tonic, and custard. And she liked to wax nostalgic over obscure drink brands like Moxie and Burpsie.

She also cringed every time us kids pronounced awnt as ahnt.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 30, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Oops, I meant to say say where. I knew what a Grinder is, I just couldn't remember where from.

Cheese steak hoagies are an abomination to me. One or the other please.

Mustard depends on the sandwich (but believe it or not...Mustard and Mayo is actually good occasionally with ham and swiss, nothing but just those four and sliced bread),

defintely vinegar and olive oil on an Italian sub (Philly style Italian Hoagie thankyo) But I fairly well have a preference. Meat first, then cheese, then lettuce and tomatoes and last EV olive oil and vinegar (I hate it when the sop the bread with the Oly and Vin first

Posted by: omni3 | March 30, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

The refrigerator was the 'Freedgie-derra' to the Greeks in my world. Roll those R's.

Posted by: -TBG- | March 30, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

What, they don't say "tawwnick" in Boston anymore? Once I walked into a Dunkin Donuts there and asked for orange pop. It took me about five minutes to convey to the server what I meant. As I recall, iced coffee was another Boston thing, available in every diner in the summer.

Posted by: woofin | March 30, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Omni, spell checking is automatic for me when using Firefox, (this is new :-)). Right clicking when in the comment box turns this off and on for me, not sure what the MAC equivalent would be. I also have linkification now, happy, happy.

Posted by: dmd3 | March 30, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

TBG -- laughing so hard....thank you. Italian neighbors said this too.

Somebody said Lego, so here is this:
comes from the Danish "leg godt," which means to "play well."

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 30, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Ow, me ed is strating to spin arounf th us

Posted by: omni3 | March 30, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh, the spell checker works in that it red dot underlines it, but in Safari I could "ALT" semi colon for suggestions. I think I'll like the Firefox right click way (it does work on the MAC), thanks dmd.

Gosh, I'll probably be asking a bunch more questions in the next few days..

Posted by: omni3 | March 30, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Right clicking on the red lined error gives suggestions, I am new and just figuring out Firefox as well Omni.

Posted by: dmd3 | March 30, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Here's a question for bc and Cmudge: what the heck is Quantum Futz?

It's been rattling around in my head since this AM.

Posted by: omni3 | March 30, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I've never quite understood what reference liquid McDonald's Triple Thick Shakes™ are being compared to.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 30, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse


Even if it isn't, stay with that thought, Yellojkt.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | March 30, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't know woofin, tonic just seems be an old fashioned name now. Iced coffee used to be a summer drink here, now DD sells it year round. Personally, I think it's a summer drink, but YMMV.

Posted by: badsneakers | March 30, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

yello, the thighs of the customers.

Posted by: engelmann | March 30, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

We used to drink Quinine Water, Canada Dry brand. Not sold this way now. Granny thought that quinine water was a duty during summer. She hoped it would help with the skeeters. She grew up in Ireland. Leavenworth, KS and the big city of KayCee were very muggy to her mind. I think that before the 20s Q-water was more potent.

YK. Now the Two all beef patties jingle is playing...and you deserve a break...and change back from your dollar....

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | March 30, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: Yoki | March 31, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Dr. Johnson's best definition.

Enough: Too much.

Good night, goodbye all.

Posted by: Yoki | March 31, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Lawdy Lawdy Lawdy...

laloomis, let me get this right...for the billionth time, you used a racially-insensitive term, and I called you out on it. But then I reached out because I worried, and as I mentioned, it's Lent and I'm RC. You knew you lost, so you tried to deflect the argument, come after me with what you thought was an easy win (my Catholicism), and plagiarized to do so. And the rooster came home to crow.


Since this is hopefully the last time you will show your face on the boodle, let me school you on a few things.

* You're insistence on defining everyone by race (except those of your own race) is tiresome, and makes everything else you write suspect.

* Your attempts to compare yourself to Mudge are transparent. To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen, I know Mudge. Mudge is a friend of mine, and Ma'am, you're no Mudge.

* The color of one's skin, or their ancestral homeland (even yours) says nothing at all about the soul within the person.

* Rape and molestation are different things. One involves something akin to being dragged off into the woods with a knife to your throat, the other is a gross misuse of trust (whether by a father, an uncle, a teacher, a priest, etc.). While both leave horrible scars that can only heal with the help of an outside voice of 'normal' (for lack of a better word), they are wholly different things. Using the terms interchangeably dilutes your argument. And neither experience says anything at all about the victim.

* Everyone here knows what a shoe-nut I am, and that FMP doesn't stand for what it started out as. Like the word Republican (wouldn't Abe roll over in his grave on that one). What's the deal with calling bc out on that? Trying to swing a dead cat and catch me on the chin? Might as well call Yoki out on the liturgy of the Orthodox church because she's tight with TBG. Everyone sees those types of maneuvers as a sign that even you know you've lost the point.

I'm sorry you tried to use Karen Liebreich's work as a weapon to hurt me, yet I hope she makes you pay, (cash money would be good) because that's the only way there's even a shot that you'll change your behavior (I was going to say learn, but I don't think you've shown any sign you're capable of that, lo these many years here on the boodle). But Ms. Liebreich doesn't know how many times you've done this without the author knowing. You might scrape by by the skin on your butt.


Posted by: LostInThought | March 31, 2010 1:25 AM | Report abuse

(part 2, wow, I’ve never had a two-part post before.)

* Lots of bad things happened to people when they were young. But that was someone else's fault. How you carry it through as an adult speaks volumes, and rests solely on your shoulders. When evaluating you in this light, you don't look so good.

* Your seeming inability to feel any empathy whatsoever for anyone else, to put anyone else's bad day above your own, or even anyone else's good day above your own, speaks to narcissism. I hope you consider that.

* Your attempt to snag me by your RC molestation rant (boy are you barking up the wrong tree) during Holy Week shows a total lack of grace and class. You'd probably describe a decadent lunch to a Muslim during Ramadan. You've offended a whole lot more people than just me, and I dare to say, many of them non-Catholics.

But because I'm mindful that it's Holy Week, and will pray for you, and that when the time comes, that God have mercy on your soul.

I leave you with a final thought: lithium.

Posted by: LostInThought | March 31, 2010 1:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm tight with you too, Lit! And the shoes.

Posted by: Yoki | March 31, 2010 1:34 AM | Report abuse

mmmmmmm, shoes.

Posted by: Yoki | March 31, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Back at ya Yoki. Sleep well, and may you have pleasant dreams.

Posted by: LostInThought | March 31, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Love love sleep.

Posted by: Yoki | March 31, 2010 1:41 AM | Report abuse

We have no regionalisms, excepting that north Florida barbecue is reasonably recognizable. The little shacks of yore are largely gone. During the period of massive conservation land purchases, a real estate operative for The Nature Conservancy was a expert on the little places. He was a quite gentlemanly product of Washington & Lee, never without a blue blazer on hand.

So we're left with the chains, Woodys (Jacksonville), Fat Boy, Sonny's (Gainesville), Dustin's.

Something about the climate makes us perfect for Thai. Even if my lemongrass died last year. I think it was shaded out by the caladiums.

Someone in town has come up with a novel sandwich shop: a grilled cheese emporium. I'll report once I visit.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | March 31, 2010 2:08 AM | Report abuse

on that note let us pray or meditate

I like to go with..

om manipadme hum

om generosity purify pride
ma ethics purify jealousy
ni patience purify desire
pad diligence purify prejudice
me renunciation purify possessiveness
hum wisdom purify hatred

Posted by: omni3 | March 31, 2010 3:09 AM | Report abuse

Faxing DotC lemongrass for planting…….
I have a big lemongrass bush at my backyard. Whenever I cook, whether the dish needs it or not, I’ll cut up some lemongrass into small pieces and throw it in. I only use the 2 inches of the stalk base and throw away the rest. I’m being a little wasteful since I could use up to 6 inches of it. But it’s a big bush! I don’t think people here use the leaves for anything.

We call our supermarket, emporiums.

Posted by: rainforest1 | March 31, 2010 3:15 AM | Report abuse

…from omni’s Wapo link…

RD Pakouk wrote:
But if the physicists are excited, well, isn't that enough? Because, you know, when we get excited we make quantum jumps. (Oh, yes. Physics humor. A bottomless well of mirth.)

RD PaKouk???

Way way back when, in my typing class (using an ancient machine called the “Typewriter”), we were taught never break someone’s looong name with a hyphen to go to the next line. In college, in my business writing class, we were told never misspell someone’s name. It’s bad PR.

Posted by: rainforest1 | March 31, 2010 3:36 AM | Report abuse

Hi Rainforest. I can't believe I'm the first one awake. Actually I can, I got two hours sleep and am getting ready to descend to the basement again where much water awaits. Such fun.

Loved the discussion(s) last night, wish I could have participated more. Have a happy and dry day everybody.

Posted by: badsneakers | March 31, 2010 5:29 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, badsneakers. Good luck in your de-watering.

Posted by: rainforest1 | March 31, 2010 6:02 AM | Report abuse

That is a great herb to have growing right in your yard. I have giant tub of chopped lemongrass in my freezer because the fresh stuff doesn't keep long enough for the very small quantities I need. Lemongrass chicken is my son's go-to dish for cultural exchange dinners.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 31, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I'm cool with the typo rainforest. I mean, typos are kinda my calling card so there is some irony here.

The nifty thing is that Joel and the WaPo thought the words were worth spending money on. Such validations are precious.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 31, 2010 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Are you getting any residuals, or are they invoking Rule 6?

Posted by: yellojkt | March 31, 2010 6:54 AM | Report abuse

They are indeed precious, RD, and we're delighted with this one for you! It's a great joke, too....

Good morning, all, hi Cassandra! I don't have much to say. It's the busy day and I'll get started shortly.

Ham biscuits and a fruit bowl with hot and cold beverages on the ready room table. This will hold us over till MsJS has the muffins ready...

Posted by: slyness | March 31, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Oh good grief Yello. Of course they are invoking Rule 6, and I am honored to be the subject of the invoking. What I meant by "spending money" is the intrinsic cost of paper, ink, distribution, and all that other stuff.

Besides, I never have, and doubtless never will, make money from my words.

I'm trying to interpret this as a virtue.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 31, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh good grief Yello. Of course they are invoking Rule 6, and I am honored to be the subject of the invoking. What I meant by "spending money" is the intrinsic cost of paper, ink, distribution, and all that other stuff.

Besides, I never have, and doubtless never will, make money from my words.

I'm trying to interpret this as a virtue.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 31, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I think this is rule 7. Rule 6 states we can't sue WaPo for believing what we read in the comments section.


Posted by: RD_Padouk | March 31, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

It's one of those wonderful times of the year where the sunrise's appearance coincides with my entering the cubicle... *removing welding goggles to type properly* :-)

'Mudge, the summer's shaping up as wall-to-wall important projects. Frankly, I'm worried about finding time for NukeSpawn's regular visit!! :-O

*getting-a-new-grindstone-cuz-I've-worn-down-the-old-one Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | March 31, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Boodlers!

Yesterday, a great new project was inaugurated in Santiago

For over a century, the Mapocho River, which flows through the middle of Santiago was one of the world's most poluted streams.

Now, it is to become a crystal clear river suitable for swimming and other recreational activities. The served waters that used to be dumped into the river, now go into a tunnel under the river bed to emerge into a treatment plant below the city. From there it will be used for irrigation.

During this winter, the increased water flow will flush the accumulated muck. The spring thaw should bring clear Andean water and make this one of the cleanest urban watercourses in the World.


Posted by: Braguine | March 31, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

Looks like I missed a lot yesterday afternoon and evening.

Interesting to see that an author (hello, Ms. Liebreich) has noted unauthorized reproduction of her work here by Loomis. I wonder if Diamond, Friedman, Brown, and other authors and writers whose work has also been reproduced in this manner are aware of this copyright issue... and are standing by for their own fawning Boodle comments.

Loomis, you were done a great wrong as you mentioned in your post yesterday. I made a reference to shoes. Because of *that* you're going to implicate me as some sort of rationalization or justification for things you've done here in the Boodle? Sorry, lady, I'm not responsible for what's going on in your head, for what you write here, or for any other wrongs that men or women commit. I could go on, but LiT covered it better than I could.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again (and echo others) -- if you are having difficulties, please seek help. Seriously.

RD, you are indeed the man.


Posted by: -bc- | March 31, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Make sure you head to the new Kit.

Posted by: Ivansmom | March 31, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Rule 7 used to be Rule 6. They added an extra one in there somewhere.

Mark your calendars. The next TeaBagger Meet-Up will be in Las Vegas July 15 - 17, 2010. Should be an embarrassment of riches.

Posted by: yellojkt | March 31, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

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