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Where's the video of the gulf oil leak? [Updated w/fotos]

With the Challenger, there was the O-ring, brittle in the cold.

With the Columbia, there was the foam that flew off the fuel tank and damaged some protective tile.

With Deepwater Horizon? The cement looks like the culprit. Or was it the decision to pull out the drilling mud and replace it with sea water? Something in the protocol of sealing the well, or in the materials used, appears to have led to the gulf tragedy. And it happened as the rig was about to skeedaddle. They weren't drilling a hole, they were just trying to say goodbye to it.

What we reported over the weekend, and what has been quite well documented by the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times and the Times-Picayune, is that the blowout happened when the drilling rig engineers removed the heavy (14-plus pounds per gallon) drilling mud from the well and replaced it with significantly lighter sea water just prior to injecting a final cement plug. But make no mistake: The well was supposedly already sealed. The protocol is for multiple barriers. You're never supposed to be one barrier from failure. When the cement didn't do its job, the blowout preventers should have kicked in.

The Senate hearings Tuesday gave us three executives from three different firms pointing fingers at one another. BP says Transocean is at fault, Transocean says Halliburton is at fault, and Halliburton says BP is at fault (I think I got that about right but read the Post story today for the full explanation).

BP made news by saying that, prior to the blowout, there were "anomalous" pressure readings from the well. Message: They should have seen it coming. But BP has yet to detail what those pressure readings indicated, or who, exactly, made the judgment call to ignore them.

Down in Louisiana, another hearing, a joint investigation by the Coast Guard and MMS, raises the issue of whether the response to the disaster compounded it. So much water was dumped on the burning rig that it sank, apparently. Did the main leak begin with the sinking of the rig, or earlier, during the blowout and fire?

Meanwhile....where's the undersea video of the leak?

BP has robotic submarines with video cameras. It has shown us the intrepid robots fixing the smallest of the three leaks (you see the geyser in the background). But where's the video of the biggest leak, the one from the riser?

BP's Doug Suttles said Monday that the company is trying to be totally transparent. And everyone's busy. Here's Suttles: "You have to recognize, particularly with these remote-operated vehicles, the images you're seeing are the working images used by the crews offshore, and of course the last thing we want to do is distract them."

Giiven that there is abundant uncertainty about the quantity of crude emptying into the gulf from the well, why not let the world see the leak?

Is it just too horrible to look at?

[Update, noon: BP tells us they will add some video later today. No more details than that.

In the meantime, a BP spokesman points me to two still photos that are on the BP web site that show the main leak. Here you go.

original_plume_1.jpg

original_plume_2.jpg

[Both photos copyright BP.]

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My colleague Marc Kaufman filed an interesting dispatch for the Post Carbon blog from Venice, La.:

Venice, La., is not an easy place to make sense of.

On one side, you have two picturesque marinas with fleets of high-end boats that rightly claim to be the entryway to some of the world's best fishing. Saltwater Sportsman Magazine named it one of the 20 best fishing desinations in the world back in 2005, and its bayous and marshes are blessed with glorious sunsets.

Then within a stone's throw of the two marinas you pass by acres of land used by the oil and gas drilling industry - some of the space is alive with cranes moving material, some of it is filled with rusted, twisted junk. There are tank farms, a scrap metal yard and - right next to the water - a giant landfill.

Acres of what were once forests of cypress are now drowned in brackish water, with a few trees still alive and many trunks standing bare. Hurricane Katrina played its role in the drownings, but so did the relentless push to control, fill in and channel waterways for the use of people. Denied its chosen path, water will, of course, find another.

It's hardly unusual for people to enter into Faustian bargains with their surroundings - using and abusing the land and its resources to create wealth and comfort, while turning a blind eye to the cost. The glorious setting of Venice just makes that bargain more obvious and extreme.

And for decades it has largely worked. Cypress Cove Marina owner Rene Cross said the fishermen and oilmen always got along well. The oil companies made sure marinas and boat owners got some of the action taking crews out to the rigs, while sports fishermen learned that the best fishing was often found around the artificial "reefs" created by the pylons of the offshore rigs.

Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser told me that many families in the parish make money from both oil and fishing; that oil work brings in good and steady income, and fishing brings in sometimes good and sometimes bad money. "They co-exist in our families, but you have to assume there's more than the usual amount of friction right now," he said.

But the bill from that Faustian bargain may well be coming due. Oil from the Deepwater Horizon is alarmingly close to Venice, the commercial shrimpers, oystermen and fishermen are already grounded, and many locals seem convinced that it's only time and some bad weather before it hits the marshes for real and then the bayous.

The Venice marinas are still picturesque, but they're empty of visiting fishermen and things may well get worse - much worse - before they ever get better. And when they do get better, there may be one Venice and not two.

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[more to come...]

By Joel Achenbach  |  May 11, 2010; 1:11 PM ET
 
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I wish I had something positive and uplifting to say about this disaster, but I don't. Except, guys, get it fixed NOW, please.

Posted by: slyness | May 12, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Presumably some agency or entity -- but I don't know who -- ought to be subpoenaing all those videos and logbooks and records and whatnot, yes? Withouth doubt, a good bit of the records where on the rig itself, and were lost when it went down. But there's also got to be a great deal of e-mail and other kinds of back-and-forth, and that all needs to be subpoenaed. And there are also 115 survivors, every one of whom has to be de-briefed and formally deposed (by subpoena, if necessary), in order to get a better fix not only on the moments around the explosion, but on the decision-making about who ordered this or that or the other. It would be helpful, at some point, to have a list of who the 11 "missing" (read: deceased) people were, and what their job responsibilities were.

From the Times-Picayune piece, we know two were engineers in the mud room who died instantly at the first explosion inside the mud room. The T-P says the adjacent room was the galley, where a party was being held to celebrate the conclusion of the operation. The story says the mud room wall exploded into the galley area. It is reasonable to draw two conclusions: first, that it being an "official" celebration, the majority of people (we don't how many) in the galley were upper rank people, officials from one contractor or another, BP, and perhaps the rig top management (as opposed to ordinary crewment hanging about because they were off-duty). second, from the description of the explosion, it is fair to assume that many (if not all) of the remaining 9 casualties came from this group, although we also know that at least a few from this room survived (because there is at least one eye-witness account of being inside the room, the lights going out, chaos reigning, etc.).

So we really need to hear from those 115 survivors, not the high-ranking brass who (a) don't know much or anything and (b) wouldn't 'fess up even if they did.

There is also high probability that some of the decision-making about procedures and monitoring was taking place off-rig. At this point nothing I've read says who the person (people) were who decided to reverse procedure and replace the mud with seawater. Given the controversial and experimental nature of that decision, it could have been made and ordered by somebody on shore, in Louisiana, New York, London, or who knows where. And so that person and all his records and communications need to be subpoenaed.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 12, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Now it appears the well was kicking HOURS before the final blowout. This had also been a difficult well for weeks.

I will quote from a partial story link posted on The Oil Drum website:

Sea Captain tells of rig blast in gritty detail:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/7000866.html

KENNER, La. — Hours before the late-night blast on April 20 that engulfed the Deepwater Horizon in flames and killed 11, there were signs of trouble aboard the drilling rig.

Shortly after 5 p.m. that afternoon, the rig unexpectedly stopped pumping drilling mud out of BP's Macondo well to the vessel Damon B. Bankston, parked alongside the rig. This was one of the last steps the rig was taking to secure the well and temporarily abandon it so BP could come back later to extract oil from it.

Hours passed before the rig gave word it would resume the mud transfer, but it never happened. Instead, sometime after 9 p.m., drilling fluid began shooting out of the well, coating his vessel like “black rain,” said Alwin Landry, captain of the Damon B. Bankston.

Then came a loud hiss, what he called a “green flash,” alarms and the start of one of the nation's worst offshore disasters.

Landry and two other crew members of the Damon B. Bankston were among the first witnesses to testify Tuesday before a joint panel of the Coast Guard and U.S. Minerals Management Service investigating the Deepwater Horizon incident."

("They gave one of the most detailed public accounts yet of the moments leading to the blast and the dramatic rescue that followed.
................. PLENTY more at the link" - [participant posting link])

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 12, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Why BPHs tire me out...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7668344/Beautiful-women-can-be-bad-for-your-health-according-to-scientists.html

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 12, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Also, Jumper, one of the T-P stories said Landry was talking to the rig, which told him they were having trouble. So yes, somebody aboard the rig knew there was a problem. They even went so far as to tell Landry to take the Bakston and stand off the rig 500 yards, just in case. The story didn't say if he'd done that or not (it seems not, and maybe he didn't have time before the explosion). But yes, when somebody aboard the rig tells you to back off 500 yards, that's a major indication of serious trouble.

And this also raises the problem of communications aboard the rig. We've got a guy in the rig operations center with enough information to tell the Bankston to move off 500 yards. But we've also got two engineers in the mud room, and next door in the galley there's a party going on. It is quite possible all these things occurred nearly simultaneously, and no time for anyone to react significantly to whatever warning signs there were.

This is contradicted, though, by the fact that there was significant time for the rig to spew mud all over the Bankston, and then for seawater to spew out afterward. There was time for the Bankston to report getting hit by mud splatter, and for them to observe the saltwater gusher. There was time for them to talk to the rig, and receive the advisory to move off 500 yards. All this time span had to equal at least a few minutes, not just a few seconds. So would the two engineers inside the mud room have known what was going on in the pipe? What did the people next door in the galley know (and why were they still there?)?

We need to hear from the survivors on the rig. And I'm sure everybody is going to be lawyered up like Tony Soprano.

And yes, the well had been "kicking" quite a lot, and that in itself should have been sufficient warning to proceed cautiously.

As somebody said, disasters like this don't happen from a single problem, they happen from a series of problems. There are already at least five known specific problem areas, any combination of which might have been the fatal steps, plus at least two known general/philosophic/procedural problems.

Basically, we already have seven known problems that all contributed in some way.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 12, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Just a little drive-by boodling, but I want to remind y'all that Jumper posted this a few days ago...

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Now I'm not claiming to know something, but I AM willing to make a bet: $30 says Halliburton tweaked the cement formula recently. I'm guessing added fly ash or gypsum. Just bettin'.

Wonder who approves that sort of thing? Onshore it's EPA, I think. Dunno if offshore gets to submit to a different agency or none at all...

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 2, 2010 6:10 PM |

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It reminds me of a friend of mine who was watching the Challenger take off with a senior co-worker. When the shuttle exploded, the co-worker said something like, "Oh! Looks like the O-rings!"

Posted by: -TBG- | May 12, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all.

Warm muffins & banana bread, hot coffee and chilled OJ & RRGJ on the table.

The Blackhawks have advanced to the NHL Western Conference championships against the Sharks. Much merriment at CasaJS.

Healing mojo from CasaJS to all on the boodle who could use some. The above-mentioned food has also been mojo-enriched.

Totally agree with Inspector Mudge, with one minor guess that much of the relevant computer data from the rig probably was uploaded frequently to servers elsewhere. Whether any of it will be supplied to investigators will depend on how incriminating it is, I suppose.

As to all the comments in the last kit about rock, I have two words. Procol Harum.

Posted by: MsJS | May 12, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Jeez, no wonder I'm such poor health.

"Just five minutes alone with an attractive female raise the levels of cortisol, the body's stress hormone, according to a study from the University of Valencia.

"The effects are heightened in men who believe that the woman in question is "out of their league."

"Cortisol is produced by the body under physical or psychological stress and has been linked to heart disease."

I mean, I'm even out of the league of Dame Edith, fer cryin' out loud. No wonder I'm on three diuretics.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 12, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Shouting out that my bug apparently has not wiped me out for the entire week. I seem to fine, food-wise, this morning and so far, so good. I will attempt a salad at noon, and maybe some veggies this evening. I hope all is well - or at least improving - for other boodlers who caught it from Snuke and me.

Mudge, you are funny.

Congratulations, MsJS. Now, if your Blackhawks could outdo the Sharks (on behalf of my ousted Red Wings), I would be actually happy about that.

And good luck (and skill) to the Habs tonight. GO HABBBBS!

Posted by: -ftb- | May 12, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I'm not touching that one, Mudge. Waaaay too easy.

BTW, if you really want a video of the oil leak, Mr. A, I'd be happy to make you one. Completely lacking in authenticity, of course, but it would spurt real purty-like.

Posted by: MsJS | May 12, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

This just in:

Rep. Waxman: Oil well's blowout preventer had leak

By FREDERIC J. FROMMER
The Associated Press
Wednesday, May 12, 2010; 10:46 AM

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Henry Waxman says that his committee's investigation into the Gulf oil spill reveals that a key safety device, the blowout preventer, had a leak in a crucial hydraulic system.

The California Democrat said in a hearing Wednesday that the investigation also discovered that the well had failed a negative pressure test just hours before the April 20 explosion.

He cited BP documents received by the Energy and Commerce Committee that showed there was a breach in the well integrity that allowed methane gas and possibly other hydrocarbons to enter the well.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 12, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm not convinced that Henry Waxman is my go-to guy when it comes to technical information about the oil industry, but I'm glad he's out there beating the bushes.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 12, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

What was it Ken Salazar said about the role of gummint now is to keep the boot pressed against BP's neck?

Sumpin' like that.

Posted by: MsJS | May 12, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

To answer yellojkt's earlier: easy. Beatles up through Rubber Soul are "oldies."

Without Googling, who knows who performed "Free Ride?" on the "classic rock" stations for years?

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 12, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Edgar Winter Group. I never liked that song.

Posted by: Yoki | May 12, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The Henry Waxman Trio?

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 12, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Of the two hearings on the oil spill I would be most interested in live feed from the one in Louisiana. The Coast Guard questioning MMS oversight, then the oil folks testifying that they were their own watchdogs. Mighty interesting stuff.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 12, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Also, MsJS, love Procol Harum.
Whiter Shade of Pale always on my playlist.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 12, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

One of the first rock concerts I ever went to was Procol Harum; the one that resulted in the LP "Live with the Edmonton Symphony Orchestra." I don't think the symphonic musicians had ever before seen anything quite like the audience we were.

Posted by: Yoki | May 12, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Bob-S. I'd go to Times-Picayune prior to a politician no matter how well-intentioned.

My question is, why didn't they kill the well prior to pumping out any more mud, and why didn't they cement it thoroughly when they had the chance?

There's a suggestion also out there now that the well HAD lost some mud in a low-pressure zone a few days previous, which led to a kick (because of some loss of mud pressure at the higher-pressure deeper zones), a bad situation I referenced a few days ago. Some attention to that area with cement might have been recommended at cementing time as well.

I remember the one that almost got away from us one night. Down near the Mexican border. At around midnight. It started kicking and I told the hands to "get ready to shut her in." On orders from the engineer, they didn't try to kill it until the "mud kicked up to the top of the rig" (his order) and when it did, I told the hands to shut her in AND THEY HAD NOT GOTTEN READY. They had to charge up a big compressed-air tank to power the rams. I never spent a longer 15 minutes as it kicked several more times. Meanwhile they were adding weight to the mud, and I was afraid some higher zones would succumb to the added weight, so I made them add lost-circulation material too. It was the right thing to do. And they shut it in (finally!) and began circulating under pressure and all was well.

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 12, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't have the video but there are nice pictures of the burning rig.
http://www.costha.com/docs/OilRigFire.pdf

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | May 12, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Kit's been updated with murky photos.

Posted by: MsJS | May 12, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Sure glad you're on our side, Jumper! *You* know whatcher doing.

Posted by: -ftb- | May 12, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing is murky.

Posted by: joelache | May 12, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Underwaterwaterline video of a small oil mat off the Louisiana coast. That stuff is disgusting.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/saltwater/2010/05/oil-spill-live-what-we-still-dont-know-about-deepwater-horizon-disaster

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | May 12, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Back on terra firma, it appears that the Milwaukee archdiocese, in the form of the Archbishop and the judicial vicar for the archdiocese, contacted Marquette U. president Fr. Wild regarding the offer of a deanship to an openly gay academic.

Fr. Wild is keeping mum on whether this outside influence caused him to rescind the offer.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/93301809.html

Given that Marquette is governed by a board of trustees and not the local archdiocese, this raises questions about academic freedom and institutional independence.

Understatement of the day:
"It's not been my best five days as president."
--Father Wild

Posted by: MsJS | May 12, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

shrieking, that video prompts several unprintable words to arise in my throat.
Ugh. One question I have is are these globs with or without the dispersement chemicals? I worry that worser in being poured on badder, so to speak.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 12, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

This could be a good thing...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/us/13gift.html

Depending on what sorts of food they donate, of course.

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 12, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Autocatalytic transformation of tin ingot from one phase to another. Awesome!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXB83Heh3_c

An IBM researcher once proposed a similar mechanism as a possible explanation for cold fusion, (if indeed it occurred at all, he cautioned,) transforming palladium to palladium hydride and the resultant cracks, which develop several million electron volts at the microscopic propagating tips of the cracks sufficient energy to push a few hydrogens together.

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 12, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Scottynuke, you have a truly good soul. Good story and hope the efforts towards efficiency and cold storage pan out. The end of the article mentioning Target's efforts to get foodbanks into schools was interesting as well. Summer programs like the one I worked in back in Baltimore are especially crucial for kids when schools are out. We fed breakfast and lunch, plus snacks to over 600 kids every day while keeping them off the streets and occupied.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 12, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or does not this WaPo`home page head suggest the U.S. Supreme Court may have "stolen" the Mohave Desert Cross? "On Faith: Who stole the cross? Thief or court?"

Um...isn't that perhaps over the line? Especially since SCOTUS specifically ALLOWED the cross to remain?

I am so sick and tired of lousy home page headline writing.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2010/05/mojave_cross_stolen.html?hpid=talkbox1

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 12, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Front page (slide show) alert.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 12, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

And it just gets worse and worse:

"Stupak: Oil well's blowout preventer had leaks, dead battery, design flaws

By Steven Mufson and David A. Fahrenthold
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 12, 2010; 1:53 PM

"A senior House Democrat said that the blowout preventer that failed to stop an oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico had a dead battery in its control pod, leaks in its hydraulic system, a "useless" test version of one of the devices that was supposed to close the flow of oil and a cutting tool that wasn't strong enough to shear through joints that made up 10 percent of the drill pipe.

"In a devastating review of the blowout preventer that BP said was supposed to be "fail-safe," Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) said in a hearing of the House Energy and Commerce Committee on Wednesday that the device was anything but fail-safe.

"Rep. Edward Markey (D-Mass.) pressed BP on why it had assured regulators in its exploration plan that it could deal with a spill 50 times larger than the current one when the current one seems to have defied control technology. "The American people expect you to have a response comparable to the Apollo project, not 'Project Runway,' " Markey said.

"Stupak said that the committee investigators had also uncovered a document prepared in 2001 by the drilling rig operator Transocean that said there were 260 "failure modes" that could require removal of the blowout preventer.

"How can a device that has 260 failure modes be considered fail-safe?" Stupak said.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 12, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the good news is that this disaster may have been caused by stupidity and corruption.

Those things can be fixed. Let's get them fixed and get back to drilling - a little more safely this time, please.

Posted by: ZZim | May 12, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Jumper! You mentioned "palladium". What *else* could I think of suddenly (*movie cootie*) but "The 39 Steps"? Robert Donat (playing Richard Hannay) had been to the Palladium music hall in London and couldn't get the introductory tune out of his head and kept whistling it whilst running across the brae in Scotland.

And now I can't get that &^%^ tune outta my head.

And, Manon (now that I've back-boodled sufficiently), I'm so happy that there is some improvement in your granddaughter's condition. Add me to the list of karma-senders.

And even though I don't know Beau Biden personally (as, you know, *we* do each other), I extend tons of good, healing karma to him, too. Apparently his stroke was not as debilitating, but he's really young to have one.

My father's accountant (and then mine for a time) in Michigan had a stroke which not only threw him out of bed by its force, but it eventually killed him. I believe he was in his 70s or really close to 80 (if not over) by that time. A very sweet guy. I remember him fondly. He was very, very sweet to me when my mother died.

Okay, then. Back to that *^%*(& 39 Steps toon cootie and sending more winning karma to the Habs for tonight. Git them wingless birds, you Habs!

Yoki and Shriek, you'll be sure that my karma gets to the right people up there, right?

Posted by: -ftb- | May 12, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

And the good news is, we sure built a lot of new homes and buildings up to the crash. (Hmm... that may actually be good news...)

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 12, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

A rig worker interviewed on 'All Things Considered' claimed that:
"Workers who survived the oil rig explosion were kept off shore at a hotel after being evacuated, apparently incommunicado, and were presented with documents to sign and initial which had them admit that they were not injured and did not see anything concerning the cause of the explosion."

http://www.legalethicsforum.com/blog/2010/05/the-gulf-oil-spill-and-the-lawyers-thinking-about-113f-and-43.html

Posted by: Boomslang | May 12, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Going back to an earlier conversation for just a sec, apparently rock is alive and well, as DC came home from school singing how I'm a tool, but so what, she's still a rock star, she's got her rock moves....

Posted by: LostInThought | May 12, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon, all.

I am of mixed feelings about the photos and video of the Deepwater Horizon accident above and leaking wellhead below water. I can appreciate the information contained in the video and stills, but 11 people lost their lives there, if BP said that they weren't making photos or video public in deference to them and their families, I'd accept it, even if it suited BP for other purposes.

I'm not interested in looking at pics of the airliner crash in Lybia at the moment, either. But that's just me.

A question: after all is said and done (hopefully soon) is that area of the Gulf hallowed ground/seabed, like the Titanic?

Jumper, I really appreciate your insights to all this.

I'd get back on the classic rock thing, but don't many people refer to symphonic music as "Classical" even if it wasn't composed by a guy in a powdered wig suffering from something that would have been cured by antibiotics (if they were around 300 years ago), and may in fact have been written last weekend by a 17 year-old enfant terrible? [I guess that'd be contemporary classical music?]

Like the idea of a girl in pigtails and Princess sneakers singing Barry White -- I introduced my little guitar player to Pete Townsend windmills a couple of weeks ago. Though I refuse to let her smash a Perfectly Good Guitar.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | May 12, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Actually, most of us talk about "serious" or "symphonic" music (even if it is arranged for a string quartet, or whatever) and reserve Classical for the period that began with the end of Bach and ended with the end of Beethoven (more or less). That is, Bach was Baroque, Beethoven was Classical, and after him came the Romantic, etc. That whole thing, from roughly 1600 to 1900 is the Common Practice Period, and afterwards, the Modern.

Posted by: Yoki | May 12, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Well, I was thinking that I'm classically baroque (or is that consistently baroque?), but I think some money is coming my way today ....

*snort*

Posted by: -ftb- | May 12, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Backboodling I see Yoki got my trivia question about Free Ride and Edgar Winter. Yoki, I never had much use for that song either; and it just goes to show how Big Radio has the habit sometimes of pulling a group's worst stuff and playing it ad infinitum. Then again, you said you don't care for jazz, which Edgar did when he first began. With the mix, of course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U_c5P-1pyc

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 12, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I used to love Edgar Winter when he was on Johnny Carson's show and played Maw Frickert.

Oh, wait...

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 12, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Will backboodle shortly; hi to all. Cray busy in teacher land this week.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 12, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm surrounded by Philistines!

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 12, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I'd sing you the fight song from my alma mater, the University of Philistinia at Sodom, jumper, but I am notoriously tone deaf.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 12, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, if you grauated summa cum laude at UP Sodom, I'm sure you can hum it.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | May 12, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Pretty sure he graduated thankthe laude, but anyway...

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 12, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, maybe Dear Laude?
Oh Laude Laude Laude?
[Not My Sweet Laude, anyway]

bc

Posted by: -bc- | May 12, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

And Yoki, when you turn on a symphonic radio station around here, it shows up on my radio as Classical, even when they're playing Copland.

I think labels like that can be slippery.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | May 12, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

In this time of trouble, some good news:

I have yellow lilies blooming in the back yard. A fun surprise.

Both pairs of shoes that I ordered from zappos are cute and comfy. (I only technically needed one, but who's counting.) So I'm all ready to teach this summer. (Syllabus, shmyllabus.)

The local fabric store had some nice trim that will match the lovely fabric I bought for my grandmother's chair, so I'm ready to take it to the highly-recommended upholsterer to be rejuvenated for the next half century or so.

In a blind flailing swipe I crushed that mosquito that's been buzzing in my ear all afternoon.

It's been a good day!

Posted by: -bia- | May 12, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I know, bc. It is a sort of popular shorthand for "stuff that drives young people out of the subway."

And, to be fair, as you know I take my rock and punk very seriously indeed!

Posted by: Yoki | May 12, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Most of us? Everything must be different up there. Here, you'd be hard-pressed to get most of us to do anything. But I digress. FWIW, we have modern classical music, contemporary classical music, etc. Lots of classical music still be written today the way it is commonly defined here.

Posted by: LostInThought | May 12, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Nats beat da Mets, 6-4. Woo-hoo!!!

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 12, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

PSA -- odd line demarking the weather front; still, still, air; no bird song AT ALL. (And my yard is a bird sanctuary.)

Mudge's 'hood is to have bumpy/thumpy/scary storms.

Take care on the drive home, all.

Just heard the rumble of moderately close thunder. Got my flashlight.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 12, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Hi all!

My favorite Edgar Winter song is Frankenstein. He goes a bit far with the feedback portions, but I love the rest of it.

Is anyone else having a horrible allergy season? I can't remember a worse season since I was very young. I've had to give up on the claritin and start on benadryl. Every scrap of skin itches, and I think I've forgotten what a deep breath feels like. I hope everyone else is doing better. Best wishes to Manon and the infirm boodlers. :)

Posted by: MoftheMountain | May 12, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I can attest to CQP's weather report. Major storms just passed over Shenandoah Valley with thunder and lightning that shook the house and knocked out the TV satellite feed. Coming your way.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 12, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

bia... that's JUST the kind of stuff I want to hear right now. THANKS!

Posted by: -TBG- | May 12, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

VA is hit with storms too. Be careful, youse guys and gals.

Huge thunderclap overhead but no rain yet. Greenish light....odd and lovely in that nature-rules way.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 12, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

My pleasure, TBG.

Posted by: -bia- | May 12, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

The sky opened up over my abode a bit ago, and it's thunderbooming, although I haven't seen any lightning.

*let's hope for no power outages, pleeeeze.

BTW, *NEW KIT*

Posted by: -ftb- | May 12, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

New kit! With video!

Posted by: MsJS | May 12, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I loved your post as well bia, as informative as Joel and the boodlers have been on the oil well disaster, it is depressing - your post was a ray of sunshine - thanks.

Made it through work today on a semi foggy brain, now I am pretty much done in. Go Habs!

Posted by: dmd3 | May 12, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

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