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Oil spill a lot more than 5,000 barrels a day

Now we know: The oil spill is 5,000 barrels a day PLUS all the stuff that's still gushing from the two leaks at the bottom of the gulf.

The 5,000 barrel estimate by NOAA and repeated ad nauseum by the U.S. government and BP is now officially kaput and we can never speak of it again. (BP now claims it's *capturing* 5,000 barrels a day, but that's only from one of two leaks.)

The way we know this is that BP says that it's recovering 5,000 barrels a day from the new insertion tool and there's still all this black stuff surging from the pipe in two locations. There's a live feed on at least two Senate Web sites showing what's happening at the main leak.

How much is leaking? Don't know. The 26,000 estimate by Ian MacDonald looks more plausible all the time.

[There's also been a lot of coverage of Purdue professor Steve Wereley's estimate that the leak is 95,000 barrels a day (70,000 from the main leak and 25,000 from the secondary leak, as he testified yesterday in Congress). But I still must harp on the fact that this doesn't distinguish between oil and gas and can't be correct as far as I can tell, and even NPR, which has pushed Wereley's estimate, now is hedging. NPR reports:

"Wereley concluded that the flow from the main pipe was 70,000 barrels a day, plus or minus 20 percent (one barrel is approximately 42 gallons). That's 14 times the official estimate. But he added an important caveat: It was not clear how much of the flow is oil and how much is natural gas.

"Last week, a BP spokesman told NPR the company didn't know that ratio. Then on Sunday, another company official told NPR the gas-oil ratio is 3,000:1 -- that is, 3,000 cubic feet of gas per barrel of oil. That's at sea level. At the seafloor, where the pressure is high, the gas compresses a lot, but the oil doesn't. So scientists tell NPR, given BP's ratio, that would mean there's three times as much gas coming out of the leaking pipe as there is oil."]

Whatever: It's a LOT of oil. It's certainly bigger than the Exxon Valdez spill at this point.

BP has been parsimonious in releasing video until now, in what seems to be an intentional effort to minimize public outrage. Some of us complained repeatedly about the lack of video being made public and, more importantly, the way the U.S., government has let BP call the shots. Now the Senate has finally got its hands on abundant video, though according to the Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Service in a pointed letter to BP the video has often been stored in low quality DVDs.

There's going to be a lot of talk now about the "cover up" by BP of the true dimension of the spill. See, for example, this statement that just came over the transom:

Statement by Larry Schweiger, President and CEO of National Wildlife Federation:

"It is now clear that BP had hoped to cover up the damage of their oil spill by withholding video evidence of the size of the gushers and preventing independent analysis. In Washington, it's been said that 'it's not the crime, it's the cover-up' - but in this case, it's both the crime and the cover-up that are an outrage.

"The Gulf of Mexico is a crime scene and BP cannot be left in charge of assessing the damage or controlling the data from their spill. The public deserves sound science, not sound bites from BP's CEO."

And I don't think NOAA and EPA are going to come out looking too great, either, at this rate. From the Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Letter:

While deep-sea research is difficult, it is now commonplace around the world. The industry capabilities pioneered in and off Louisiana are truly revolutionary. Therefore the ill-equipped, ineffective and ill-prepared monitor program undertaken by EPA and NOAA reflect very poorly on those agencies.

By Joel Achenbach  |  May 20, 2010; 2:10 PM ET
 
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I was mudged:

As already stated, anticipating re-reading JA's stuff in April.

Mr. F's brother just won a major award (not a leg lamp) for wetlands restoration
http://www.eli.org/pressdetail.cfm?ID=213
A lifetime of work to have 48 miles of stream channel restored. He does gorgeous work, but it makes thoughts of the task ahead in the gulf that much more daunting.

The Environmental Law Institute is hosting a panel on the Oil Spill Liability Framework on the 24th from noon-1400. Too late to get a seat but they are accepting call-in reservations today.
http://www.eli.org/Seminars/event.cfm?eventid=561

RD-I used to love to eat a certain mammal but have given it up, along with Chinese shrimp, in solidarity with boodlers whose sensibilities and judgement matter to me. Sigh, it's on the spring menu of a restaurant I've longed to try. Poor me, Memorial Day weekend we'll be eating tapas at our neighborhood tequila bar instead. The boss can't do all the dirty jobs.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | May 20, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

at least BP is now able to measure something.

Posted by: -jack- | May 20, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, the WaPo front page makes this statement: "Scientists make life from scratch" and the deck: "Researchers say they have successfully created a partially synthetic, self-replicating bacterial cell."

But the first graf of David Brown's story pulls it back: "Scientists on Thursday reported that they had successfully created a partially synthetic bacterial cell, the latest step toward making life from scratch."

Now it's a "step" toward making life, not actually doing it.

And Joel's kit above has a front page alert.


Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 20, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

jack, remember that the Gulf is really large. Don't worry.

Posted by: russianthistle | May 20, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

From Our Fiction Truer than Strange Department-

http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-social-networking-site-changing-the-way-oh-chr,17465/

One has to wonder how many times a day some professional journalist thinks these exact thoughts.

Posted by: kguy1 | May 20, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Whatever the number of how much is spilling and at what rate...it's data points for environmental studies and crunching numbers for BP's P/L statement. Numbers for damages will come from elsewhere, no?

Posted by: LostInThought | May 20, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Just like Peter Gibbons said to Samir: stop worrying.

Posted by: fallschurch1 | May 20, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

kguy, that Onion piece was brilliant. Thanks for the link.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 20, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Onion link to NYT quote "Foursquare = planned serendipity"

*runs screaming from room*

Posted by: talitha1 | May 20, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Frostbitten, Mr. F's on a very nice list. I'm happy to see recognition for Rebecca Sharitz.

NOAA, like other agencies, has to cope with tight budgets. Their research fleet is expensive and members of Congress are likely aware that even the Coast Guard is seriously hampered by old equipment. I'd expect the civilian part of our government to be shrinking its involvement in deep water research.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | May 20, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh great, the latest Front Page Alert:

"Achenblog: A BP spill cover-up?"

*checking the bunker's supply closet*

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 20, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the NOAA is finally going to get called on its cover-up for BP. The world is full of renowned scientists who will be more than happy to develop accurate estimates of the true flow rate from this leak. Why is our government shilling for BP instead of acting in the interests of our nation?

Posted by: jerkhoff | May 20, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

how long will journalists repeat that nonsensical amount of oil spill at 5000 barrels per day, which is equivalent to 10 liter per second??

Can you see that this is not a bathroom leak??

Is there anybody in connection with reality here??

Posted by: YangAfu | May 20, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I miswrote. Not Mr. F, his brother.

Ecological restoration is terribly expensive and doesn't always work. Unfortunately, a lot of streams were ruined for what seemed good reasons. The Kissimmee River was made into a canal so there'd be more cow pasture and so water would move rapidly downstream and into Lake Okeechobee. As it turned out, the sudden bursts of polluted water were ruinous for the lake, so the river's being partially restored at great expense.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | May 20, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Umm. Weather look cloudy with a high probability of meatballs. Or tarballs.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | May 20, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

*thinking I ran from room just in time*

Posted by: talitha1 | May 20, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

DotC-reversing the effect of canalizing rivers is exactly the kind of restoration Mr. F's brother does, or as he likes to say "we put the bends back in streams."

Posted by: frostbitten1 | May 20, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Here you go, Dave
http://www.awn.com/files/imagepicker/91/Meatball_Crumb.jpg

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 20, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh, man, I don't like the looks of this already. slyness, I'm gonna open up the bunker now, just in case it starts to get ugly.

Home computer still on the fritz, so you guys are on yer own in a few minutes. See ya tomorrow.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 20, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Can't you write about the deficit some more, instead of this? I'd rather be angry than sad.

Posted by: Itzajob | May 20, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

With regard to EPA and NOAA, let's face it, neither agency was in high regard during the Bush years, and I'm sure their budgets were treated accordingly. That, and the presumed revolving door between the oil companys and the agencies has undoubtedly left a lot of foxes in the henhouse. Tight budgets + cozy relationships with the companies being regulated = potential for disaster with no adequate worst-case planning. Maybe we will have to go back to the "nuclear option".

Posted by: ebtnut | May 20, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Cover-up is a good start on describing BP's actions. Disinformation works as well. Eventually we will move on to foot-dragging and @ss-covering. I fully expect shots to be fired before all is said and done.

I posted this morning video of a CBS reporter being stopped by a patrol of BP contractors and Coast Guard employees. Keeping the press away will only backfire. Light is the best disinfectant.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 20, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Another gor-gay-ous day in TWC. Been out enjoying it.

Mr. A, I have questions about the booms. According to BP's website they have deployed 1.9 million feet of boom, or about 360 miles of the stuff.

However, the most recent boom deployment map is from May 3rd.
-Did BP stop deploying boom after that date, and if so why?
-Given that oil is coming ashore in places where boom looks to have been deployed, what happened? Are the booms only partially effective, and if so, did BP not know this in advance?
-Assuming they knew in advance or at least early on from the videos of rough weather, what was being planned as the boom backup to catch the oil the booms would miss? The proverbial Plans B thru Z? Were any of these plans deployed and how effective were they?
-Given the amount of oil that's already spilled, how long are the booms going to have to stay in place to keep the floating goo off the shore?

*note to self: silly MsJS, they don't know how much oil has spilled, did you not just read Mr. A's kit?*

Posted by: MsJS | May 20, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh Scottynuke, you have a rant to unleash?

Or are you not yet home?

Posted by: MsJS | May 20, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Bunker open and ready for service, Mudge.

There's the oil spill in the Gulf, the Dow was down almost 380 points today, the euro is teetering, the US deficit is ballooning, as is the Euro zone's. Yeow. I think I'll go hide in the bunker's back broom closet till things improve. I'll probably get stuck in a fetal position.

Posted by: slyness | May 20, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The dispersants are a tricky matter. The really don't neutralize the oil, they just send it someplace else. It's akin to the proverbial sweeping the dirt under the rug (which has its own 'cover-up' nuance). Or perhaps more like shoving all the junk in the closet when cleaning up for company.

That the gusher is way, way more than 5,000 bbl per day would feed into my theory that BP is way more concerned with controlling the well than stopping it.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 20, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

MsJS,
Don't know and ain't tellin' are two different things.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 20, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Yello, that's true.

So add another question to the list: What did BP know about the leak rate and when did they know it?

Posted by: MsJS | May 20, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm on Foursquare and have often used it to announce on Twitter where I am and what I'm doing. Whether anybody cares is another matter, but that's not my concern. It amuses me to tell the world where I am at the time and since the app is on my cellphone, it's pretty cheap thrills. Sometimes I am even really at the places I say I am.

I do know that at least one Celebritology reader noticed my missives from Austin a few weeks back.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 20, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Stream channelization was a big deal, once. I suspect it was sort of a rural jobs program. Then there was the business of tidying forest streams to make the spawning salmon happy. Or I think there was. That was another era. Trees fall, obliterating past tidying.

One real shock was a geomorphologist's study of streams in southeastern Pennsylvania. Pre-Europeans, they were extended beaver meadows with water moving in relatively straight lines over organic sediments, like today's Everglades. Once the beavers were killed and farming began, the streams were swamped with inorganic sediment from the new farm fields, while there was nothing to hold the beaver meadows together. Erosion set in and the streams quickly cut deep new beds, which are still there.

Virginia must have been similar.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | May 20, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Can some pea mavens help me solve the mystery of what green split peas need precisely to cook thoroughly without extreme rawness in the "35 minutes" so claimed on the package?

I'm guessing salt and/or a high pressure cooker, but I could be wrong. Is starting with cold water always a mistake?

I recall that dried beans should never be cooked with salt or anything acidic until completely soaked and cooked first, but I'm seeing all the split pea recipes always recommend starting peas with stock.

Let's just say I am finding split green peas very difficult to cook with other pulses or grains for some reason-- they never cook completely. I'm trying to figure out what it is that is impeding the cooking process, because it persists no matter what I try.

(Yeah, the solution is not to cook split peas with anything else absorbent, I guess, but the puzzle is that the other grains and legumes do just dandy but for some reason the peas don't. It's a cooking mystery to me.)


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

While split peas may not be in the same league as spilt oil, I'm hoping my problem is easier to solve.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, were the split peas soaked before cooking?

Posted by: MsJS | May 20, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Er, the package says they don't need to be, but I rinsed them as per directions, MsJS.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty certain split peas do not need to be soaked like other beans (or whole peas). I know my grandmother doesn't soak them, and she starts her split pea soup with a boiled-off ham (so yeah, stock). Not much help beyond that though, sorry.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | May 20, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, some how this is very funny, the notion of pea mavens or split pea mavens.

Having now made two loaves of the no-knead bread (of NYTimes Bittner-Sullivan fame), I would like to ask the bread mavens of Yoki and Jumper about doing the same to make pizza dough.

Lately, CPBoy loves the thin and slightly chewy "Roman" style crust of a pizza slinging friend.

However, he has not met a pizza dough that he does not like.

And, btw, spinach mavens: fresh spinach -- small leaves are divine -- is a lovely and healthy adjuvent to pesto sauce.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 20, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I happen to like adding cooked rice or barley to split pea soup, but have found I can't cook them in split pea soup at all.

I'm thinking maybe some food chemistry occurs, but I can't think what.

Once I also accidentally put in yellow split chickpeas with the green split peas, thinking they were yellow split peas, and the green split peas were completely wrecked.

I have, in fact, successfully cooked split pea soup, it's just that I can't improvise on the recipe unless I know what's going wrong.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

We as a nation have become too complacent. If we blink our eyes or click our heels everything will be all better. What's a month of gushing oil in our waters? Eh,it will all just disappear...like a commercial on TV. Like our common sense.

Posted by: Windy3 | May 20, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

This recipe claims if I cook the barley first, I might have success.

http://olehgirl.com/?p=2299

This says boil the peas first.

http://diabeticgourmet.com/recipes/html/210.shtml

Sigh. Maybe I just buy evil green split peas. That could be it.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

On a brighter note, I love split pea soup!

Posted by: Windy3 | May 20, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Hmm... if hair mops up oil... will beheading everybody at BP and using their heads to sop up oil work even better?

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh good, Wheezy!

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

That would be very sad, Wilbrod. And messy.

Posted by: Windy3 | May 20, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

@Wilbrod, I don't think there is any mystery science going on. Why not just start the peas first and add the other grains/pulses as you go, in order of their length of cooking time. I would say you want the peas roughly 3/4 cooked (al dente, sort of) before adding the next longest-cooking element.

@CquaP: http://tastingtable.com/entry_detail/99/Jim_Lahey_reveals_his_recipe_for_no-knead_pizza_dough_.htm

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and check out the long-fermenting pizza dough (using both hard and soft flour) that is in the NYT Food section this week. I'm going to try it this weekend.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/dining/19pizza.html?ref=dining

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

A couple of days ago, Joel sez "I talked to two more experts, Greg McCormack of U-Texas and Bruce Bullock of SMU, and both said there's no earthly way to estimate the flow based on these videos.

"Anybody who can tell you how much oil is coming out of that thing is likely lying to you," Bullock told me."

I think he got snookered a bit by these guys--Bullock isn't that technical of a guy and McCormack is more of a petroleum engineering guy. From the video, you can't measure the flow with any precision to normal petroleum engineering standards. You can, however get an order of magnitude indication, and way more(5 to 10 times more) than 5000 bbl a day looks to be the right answer. In general, scientists are more comfortable working at an order of magnitude scale than most engineers.

Let's use the information we have.

Posted by: Mapmaker1 | May 20, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, I just spent 3 hours trying to cook split green peas that only were supposed to take 35 minutes. They're still only 3/4 cooked; I gave up.

Those peas reacted with something, like if you expose dry beans to acid, they will never cook properly.


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Smack-kissed of love and delight to Yoki!!! First version is basically the same as the bread. Now that Giant does NOT carry King Arthur flour, I am making do....

Let me know how the second version goes....will you make your own starter?

WB -- I am fine with split peas but I do not add anything until they are softie. BTW, the canned beans people are not always cooking until doneness....

My slow cooker -- 30 year old is dead. Been making do with a Dru Holland dutch oven...about 50 years old...but I am often home so can watch this. Advice on a slow cooker?

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 20, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, I have more success w/ peas if I soak them for about 30 minutes first.

I realize the package says no soaking, that's why I asked.

Posted by: MsJS | May 20, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Do split peas also have problems cooking properly in hard water?

That could be it; the other grains and legumes would release minerals when cooking.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I always have starter in the fridge, more a levain than a true sourdough, but I'll try it with that before starting a whole new version.

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I've always liked my crock-pot, CqP.

Great for making chicken cacciatore (just brown the chicken first and plop in) while I'm at work.


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

MsJs, sounds good, especially if hard water could be an issue.

I guess the package lied ;).

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Rival crockpot. That's the brand.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I do suspect that BP chose to report the smallest of estimates because it seemed like it would make them less a target of hatred -- except, of course, that escalating new estimates made them look progressively worse, and nefarious to boot. A wiser course would have been to go with a seemingly preposterously huge estimate to begin with, then take credit for honesty (if it turned out to be true) or for refining the estimate to progressively smaller values (if it turned out to be overly pessimistic).

A point claimed by both BP and the Feds is that they already are deploying all the relevant resources that they have, so the magnitude of the estimated flow rate has no influence on what they do. You can't actually work any harder than 100%, even if that's what's necessary for success. The difference between "there's a vast flow rate" and "we now know it's even vaster" strikes me as unimportant at this stage. When it WILL be important is in the aftermath, as we come to terms with the scale of disaster that can result from an event like this, and use that to estimate the magnitude of resources that should be made available in the future to deal with problems vs. the regulations we should pursue to make such an event less possible.

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Regarding the oil that is reaching shore beyond the booms: My impression is that no one, in any oil-spill situation, has ever claimed that booms would capture all the oil under even the most optimistic of scenarios. It should be no surprise that oil has gotten past them. Even if the booms captured the vast majority of the oil, that leaves a fraction of "a whole lot", and a partial lot is still a lot. Without the booms, it would be even worse.

Posted by: ScienceTim | May 20, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

CqP, nothing rivals Rival crockpot-wise.
Crackpots and spilt [stet] peas are another matter.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 20, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Boo, Wilbrod.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 20, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

CqP -- my local Giant in Columbia still carries King Arthur flour. It's now the only kind I bake with. BJ's Wholesale Club also has it (only the all-purpose, usually not the bread flour).

Posted by: ScienceTim | May 20, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Or is that supposed to be BOO?
Bob-S gives me lessons but I'm apt to forget specifics.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 20, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

No, endorsements from more than one boodler are good, Talitha. Now CqP can't blame me if she buys a crockpot that turns out to be a crock.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, TWC has pretty hard water. Whether the pre-soaking of the peas counterbalances is I don't know, but it's what I've done for years and I get good results.

Good luck!

SciTim, I would expect the booms not to stop all the oil. At the same time I am curious "how much worse" it would be without them and whether that is enough to warrant backup/ancillary plans B thru Z.

And part of that answer lies in knowing how much oil we're talking about, which is dependent on the leak rate.

Posted by: MsJS | May 20, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that attempting to hide the rate of flow, which, I stress, has just been alleged, would only make sense if BP planned on stopping the well completely as quickly as is possible.

Knowledge of a high flow would indicate that they were losing potential revenue much faster than they let on, thus providing even more of an economic incentive to keep the oil in the reserve. Further, evidence of a high flow rate would be impossible to hide once a rescued well started yielding - which is exactly what has happened. Finally, BP would know that the effects of a higher flow rate certainly would become apparent as time went on. Which, again, is exactly what happened.

Therefore, that BP *didn't* attempt to cap the well right away, suggests, to me, that they didn't fully understand the higher flow rate and really were going with the least risky procedures first.

None of which absolves them of being slow to provide information. These factors just, to my mind, throw the notion of a grand conspiracy into doubt. BP might simply have been succumbing to a corporate reflex to control information.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | May 20, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

RD,
I would say a high flow rate supports my thesis that they want to do anything to avoid stoppering it permanently. It was a big gamble and it paid off handsomely, except for one tiny minor setback.

As for the embarrassment of having to own up to the actual flow rate once the well was under control, I would think they could find a way to live with it as they cried all the way to the back. Besides, the exact volume of oil from the well once it was in production would not be particularly hard to keep private. Trade secrets and all.

Remember, this gusher is the result of an allegedly partially valved-off well. And their preferred option has always been the relief well. BP wants this well to stay in service. Bad.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 20, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Thanks MSJs. I'll try that next time and see if it helps the green split peas cook faster.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Also, Wilbrod, see if you can find a packaging date on the wrapper (often in very tiny grey print and in code; if those peas are *ancient* ain't nothin' gonna soften 'em up.

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Yello - somehow you seem to think that capping this well would prohibit them from ever drilling a new one. And if they really wanted to keep the flow rate a secret, why is it now being announced? If what you say is true they would refuse to divulge how much is being brought up now. And I think they are smart enough to know that the "embarrassment" of a cover up can come with legal penalties.

I am not discounting the possibility of a deliberate conspiracy. I am saying that such a course of action makes no sense to me and is inconsistent with their behavior. But, perhaps they really were that stupid.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | May 20, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

2-0 Montreal!

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

rd,

Stupidity and the "corporate reflex to control information" pass the Occam's Razor test on the most likely explanation. You gotta be pretty tone deaf to come up with Shoreline Cleanup Assessment Team (SCAT).

http://bp.concerts.com/gom/bp_scat_team_17052010.htm

The PR team at BP is in way over their head.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 20, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Also, recall that the stated purpose of the relief wells being drilled are not to remove oil, but are to inject mud and concrete to seal things up. The notion that they wouldn't actually do this and would, instead, say "suckers!" and start sucking out all the oil is simply not credible. I guarantee that the government would not tolerate that.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | May 20, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, that age issue could be true too (the wrapper is gone though).

Thanks for the tip. How old do they get before they get ancient?

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

"But, perhaps they really are that stupid."
I find this is a legitimate consideration in just about any situation involving people (and some animals).

Posted by: frostbitten1 | May 20, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Again, there are two issues here. The first is if BP was limiting information, and it seems clear they were. The second is why they were doing this. And I do not know. But I am not in the least convinced that a grand scheme to dawdle along and then stealthfully sneak out the oil is anything close to the simplest explanation.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | May 20, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

It depends, sort of, where you got it and how appropriate the packaging was (read: not plastic is better). If from a run-of-the mill supermarket, I would say anything over two years (since we have no idea how long they were in processing/storage/shipping/shelved and what they've absorbed from the packaging. If from a reputable organic source, more like four years (since they will have been handled respectfully throughout their lifespan).

Now, theoretically properly dried and handled pulses last indefinitely, but that is a big caveat. I keep some local organic in my stock (just in case the coming guerilla war in Rainy River goes global -- joke!). Of course, in that instance, we'll be glad to eat semi-hard ancient grains and pulses. Just not now. :-)

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Why yes, MsJS, I am finally home, and I do have a bit of a rant...

Folks, compare the spill to Chernobyl all you want. Three Mile Island, on the other hand, was overtaken on the disaster scale as soon as the Deepwater Horizon exploded.

Why?

Zero deaths from TMI. Reputable science has looked at the aftermath again and again, and the consensus finds the minute radiation dose to the public around the plant had zero health effects.

Why is that? Because the overall design of the plant was a GOOD IDEA and did its job, despite well-documented problems with operator training, information flow and emergency planning, among other things. Remember, the accident melted half the core, yet the reactor vessel remained intact and the containment building held up, limiting the releases to a filtered, monitored path.

What's the lingering environmental toll of TMI? Again, it's zero. Show me the vast swaths of Pennsylvania still recovering -- there ain't none.

If there ever is another U.S. accident (and believe you me, thousands of corporate and government people focus every day on avoiding that), there's approximately $20 billion in insurance already set aside for the costs. Every single U.S. reactor pays an annual premium of about $400K.

Leave TMI and U.S. nuclear power out of the Gulf oil disaster discussion, please.

*getting off soapbox*

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 20, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Yoki. That is helpful, don't think the peas should have been that old, perhaps it was storage conditions.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Scotty - I agree enthusiastically. As I recall, didn't I make that same argument many days ago now? This is Chernobyl. We wish it were TMI.

Of course, it is *way* more compelling coming from someone, like you, who really knows what he is talking about.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | May 20, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Me, RD_P? I just read stuff.

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 20, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

A good rant, S'nuke. Forwarded it.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

It may not make yello feel any better but I threw out the cynical attitude toward BP's motivations around the same time yello did. I hope I'm wrong. I'm sure we all do.

Just stop the #%&$*** thing and clean it up quicklike. 8-]

Posted by: talitha1 | May 20, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Most excellent S'nuke. I have saved it to use when the need arises. I'm a Dem. in MN, believe me the need will arise.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | May 20, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

See, the thing is that the technology to stop the #%&$*** thing and clean it up quicklike may not exist. As I said many many days ago, at that depth, everything is experimental, including mitigation efforts.

The reason, I think, that BP didn't have a fail-safe in place, is that it doesn't exist. No other company (or agency, or interplanetary visitor) would have, either. Because nothing like that, or this, has ever been tried.

Just today, The Globe and Mail reports that the company seeking approval for an equally deep offshore well in Canadian territorial waters had to admit to our regulators that they had no idea how they'd 'fix' a similar situation, should they face it. Because *nobody* knows.

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, that insurance thing and the apt use of "ain't" sold the rant to me, S'nuke.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 20, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Yes, good rant, Scotty. I'd waited for it and take it to heart and head. Will share.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 20, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Scottynuke. I refrained from issuing my own rant when I saw that you were biding your time until you could do it on the basis of your vast and well-informed reading.

The relief well for this site has always been stated as being for the sole purpose of a long-term solution by way of corking the drill hole permanently.

When you have the capability to drill through solid rock to get at the resource that you want, as well as drilling through cement plugs, etc., I find it hard to believe that a balky blow-out preventer would really stop BP if they wanted to try again at extracting oil from this reserve. They can drill another hole, or I suppose that they could drill right through the BOP. The intention, at the time the rig blew up, was to insert a cement plug and close the well for later switch to production. There is absolutely no need for BP to act nefariously in order to preserve some investment in drilling an existing well. If they really wanted to do it, they could. They have announced that they will not, presumably to allay the sort of conspiracy theories that yellojkt's (well-earned) cynicism has prompted.

I have been kind of wondering why they didn't remove the BOP (cutting torches? explosives?) and stick new tubing into the existing well. I guess it's not really as simple and quick as I make it sound from my position of near-total ignorance. However, beneath the BOP there is a nice clear tube. The BOP leads to messed up tubing that has three major leaks in it, and it's already leaking like a sunuvagun. Seems like you couldn't do much worse if you blew off the BOP and then let the thing squirt madly for a while as you insert some new piping and cork the primary shaft.

Posted by: ScienceTim | May 20, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I was just waiting for you to speak, Scottynuke. And I liked the front page opinion link on the issue, too. Thanks.

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

3-0 Montreal at the end of the second period. That is OK with me.

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, Yoki. I understand. Never done at these depths, no back-up/fail-safe, no good regulatory practices in effect because 'nobody knew'. Got it. I've missed very few links, discussions, articles or dispatches. Only cynical about BP's actions in the last few days - and remember, we all had question marks in our heads at the beginning, no matter the sophistication (or lack) of our science/tech/drill knowledge or just the despair we felt watching this unfold.

I value this forum, the boodle, because it's a melding of the rational, the poetry, the facts and the OMGs. :) *sitting down to breathe now*

Posted by: talitha1 | May 20, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey Yoki! Looks like "our" Habs have turned back into the Habaneros we knew (in our heart of hearts) them to be!

*a non-jinxing woo-hoo to the Habs*

Snuke -- that was a terrific rant. Well worth waiting for.

Posted by: -ftb- | May 20, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Is it bad that when I see TMI, I think Too Much Information instead?

Posted by: yellojkt | May 20, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Stubborn pulses are known unknowns. No one knows why sometimes beans and peas won't cook sometimes. There are many folk remedies, none confirmed by science.

My policy is wash thoroughly. This may be superstition, yet I do it. Second, don't skimp on the water.

Third is add baking soda. A last ditch effort; often tenderizes the stubborn batches.

Fourth is the delightfully contrarian treatment: soak them in salt water for four hours, drain, then cook normally. I have tried this and it works.

Dried green peas have always cooked quickly and without any toughness, though, for me. Everything else I said has been about beans. Including garbanzos.

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 20, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

This makes me appear to be on the right track
http://thenewcook.com/2008/10/the-truth-about-cooking-beans/

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 20, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh, ftb, I am redeemed, tonight. No matter how it turns out (but good, I think, for "our" Habs). Shriven, even.

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

As one of the folks who compared this event to Chernobyl (later than others, it seems) I want to say that I agree fully with Scottynuke's rant. I mentioned that Chernobyl showed the flaws of the technology used in THAT plant.

I know a bit about our nuclear plants and nuclear energy. Ours is much much better than Chernobyl. I was not in any way looking to criticize our nuclear plants.

Two cents from someone who has worn dosimeters and anti-c clothing a few times.

Posted by: steveboyington | May 20, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh carp, I worked (and am working) on the joint WB/EBRD project to reclaim Cherobyl, and anyone who would compare that technology to any plant in North America is just, mad.

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

For a month now, Barack Obama and his administration have been complicit in the lie about the volume of the gusher. No one, not even Barack Obama would allow any independent agency, or even the government to go to the bottom to install an accurate measuring device. Yet Barack Obama continued to voice the BP lie about the volume. WHY THE BIG LIE? From Barack Obama?

Posted by: infuse | May 20, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I suggest you change your handle from infuse to confused.

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

BP could take some public relations lessons from Sabre. Find a fall guy and then 'fess up.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 20, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Or, do what the drug company did in the original Tylenol-tampering crisis. Oh, I date myself!

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Warner Brothers is involved in the Chernobyl rehab efforts? Excellent! I loves me some Looney Tunes & Merrie Melodies.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 20, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

The oil threat to Florida is decreasing, thanks to the loop current turning into an eddy--entrained oil may go around in circles for a while. Good.
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/05/gulf-oil-threat-to-florida-wanin.html

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | May 20, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Most excellent, Bob-S. Funny.

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

As I have from time-to-time (and not entirely without pretty good supporting evidence) been accused of summoning unpleasantness with the mere power of my mention, I was saying nuthin' about the hockey game while it was ongoing.

But I'm pleased with the outcome.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 20, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I have a pretty good opinion of you, Bob-S, but I'd never thought that you are an influence on the wider world. Silly me. Shall I say an invocation to exorcise your power? Or be grateful that you granted it to my team?

Posted by: Yoki | May 20, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, I make split pea soup from the recipe on the package of peas. I've never had a problem, they cook in the time indicated, and I don't even put the soup in the blender, we like it "as is."

I make it just the way it says, adding some leftover ham at the end. No other extra ingredients.

I would definitely try filtered water before changing anything else.

Posted by: nellie4 | May 20, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Nope, no believers in jinxes here!

And about those Nationals. Sigh... When your team scores seven runs, they're supposed to win the darned game! Gotta stop having those "give up five runs" innings.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 20, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod -- just looked in my cupboard and the split peas I have there have NO recipe on the package, and are covered with lots of farsi. So here is the recipe I used.

Soup - Split Pea Soup

½ lb. split peas
4 C. water
1 ham hock, or 4 to 8 oz. ham, diced
1 bay leaf
1 /3 C. chopped onion
1 /3 C. chopped carrot
1 /3 C. chopped celery
1 minced clove garlic
½ tsp. salt

Bring to a boil and simmer covered about 1 hour. If using ham hock or soup bone, remove from soup and cut meat from bone, return to the soup. Can thin soup with water, chicken stock, or cream.
Taste for salt and pepper

Posted by: nellie4 | May 20, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me why these revelations aren't headlined on every major newspaper in the US? I first found it on the BBC News site, and here, it's on a blog site.

Posted by: Catch1 | May 20, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I think Paul Fahri's piece about the (very recent) Paris art heist is delightful stuff:
"In grand fashion, thief makes off with five masterpieces from museum in Paris"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/20/AR2010052005101.html?hpid=topnews

Since I wasn't familiar with the Picasso work ("Le pigeon aux petits pois") mentioned as amongst the loot, here's a pic:

http://www.so-sticky.com/catalog/images/Pablo%20Picasso%20-%20Le%20pigeon%20aux%20petits%20pois.jpg

The photo gallery accompanying the story includes all of the works reported missing:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2010/05/20/GA2010052003567.html?sid=ST2010052003788

Posted by: Bob-S | May 20, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Catch1 - Did you mean the pea soup recipes, or the oil stuff?

I'm pretty sure the oil stuff will shortly be on the front of every news organ that covers major international stories, and certainly on every major U.S. news outlets list of top stories. Happening as we speak, I'll bet.

Ultimately, the facts on the ground are what they are, no matter how reticent BP has been to get the word out.

Now, if you were talking about the peas...

Posted by: Bob-S | May 20, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

BP’s CEO and cohorts should be immediately Arrested and Jailed without Bail. BP is Guilty of an Active Criminal Cover-up costing us Hundreds of. An ongoing Crime of this magnitude should be stopped Immediately.

Arrest them at Ronald Reagan Airport or pull them out of their Luxury Yachts in the Gulf. JAIL them now before they can do any more damage to the USA in this Criminal Cover-up.

Woods Hold Oceanographic Institute now estimates the Oil Leak to be over 100,000 barrels day; 25,000 Barrels from one hole, and 70,000 Barrels from another of the Broken Pipes and there is still another break to be examined.

100,000 barrels (4,200,000 Gallons) a Day @ 42 Gallons/Barrel; 30 Days = over 126,000,000 Gallons (126 Million Gallons).

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126975907

http://www.whoi.edu/

http://globalwarming.house.gov/spillcam

The Oil and Gas Industries have been Cheating the Public out of Billions every year, all while enjoying both Public Subsidies and Tax exemptions (in the case of Gulf Coast Drillers).

Require Drillers to be Insured for Worst case Scenario ($100 Billion ~ $1~2 Trillion from the looks of this accident).

The Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund supported by industry fees should be raised from $1 Billion to $500 Billion.

Current Drillers should be subject to new Insurance and Safety Regulation requirements.

Posted by: liveride | May 20, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

"Current Drillers should be subject to new Insurance and Safety Regulation requirements."

Somehow, I've got a feeling that's on the way, breathless exhortation and strangely placed caps or no.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 20, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Sitting by the roadside on a summer's day
Chatting with my mess-mates, passing time away
Lying in the shadows underneath the trees
Goodness, how delicious, eating . . .

Green split peas?

Posted by: talitha1 | May 20, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, Nellie's recipe is almost an exact replica of mine. I use a leftover holiday hambone often. Never had a problem with my splits "cooking up", as my grandmother used to say. (breaking down)
Dunno about old peas except in song.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 20, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Channeling Burl Ives...

Goober Peas Maven, Ms.T.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 20, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Awww I'm touched that Catch1 likes my pea soup recipe!

Talitha, we must have gotten that recipe from split pea packages in Virginia -- mine probably from the product in a Giant store.

Posted by: nellie4 | May 21, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Well, the BBC has long been envied for its dominance of the pea-soup news niche.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 21, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

I am trying to figure out how BP is making money off of letting oil leak into the Gulf, but it defeats me. liveride must have a better brain than I.

I'm glad to see that Woods Hold Oceanographic Institute has taken over the task of estimating the leaking oil volume, because I seriously doubt that the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution has the relevant expertise. They probably would just take whatever is the current estimate and multiply by ten, then multiply by another 2 for safe measure, and call it a "reliable upper limit". It's what I would do. It's called "pulling it out of your bung-hole."

I also am curious as to the nature of this Accurate Measuring Device that the conspiracy-minded government and BP have been resisting putting at the bottom of the gulf immediately. Apparently, infuse is one of the few outside the secret inner circles of government who knows of this device, else we should have heard much about it by now. Unless all the MSM are in on the conspiracy... And, of course, I'm also curious as to how knowledge of the spill's magnitude ("ten whole spit-loads of oil" instead of merely "a whole spit-load of oil") would function in making recovery and repair techniques more effective. I suppose it might be huge enough to justify the use of a nuke to try to close the pipe. Because radioactivated nuclear debris in the floor of the Gulf of Mexico is a trifling problem by comparison. Of course, there's also a little problem in that no one has ever actually constructed a nuclear weapon intended to function at 5000 feet underwater. How long could it take to beat that problem? No more than an hour or two, I wager.

Catch1 is totally correct that it's a travesty that such important news should be reported on a blog site instead of by major newspapers. A blog site operated by one of the nation's premier newspapers. A blog written by one of their more excellent reporters. In a blog posting that cites specific articles published by that newspaper on its web site, and which will appear in the very next print edition of that highly-respected newspaper. Yep, it's a travesty.

Posted by: ScienceTim | May 21, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

'good night all. I'm back from a tiring but enjoyable trip.

The idea of a recipe for pea soup makes me laugh. My mother would laugh even harder. Anglos used to taunt French Canadians by calling them Peasoups. I had a cat called Peasoup. He felled in it as a kitten, and survived. (there is no recipe for peasoup, it's what you do with it)

The reason for understating the rate of release of the well is obvious, headlines shyness.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | May 21, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Answering all -

CqP - I'd been wanting to bring up Goober Peas all evening but was afraid it wasn't PC. Ya know how us reenactor folks git viewed these days can be very hard on the ole historikal-mindful soul. ;)

Nellie, I just grew up fixing split pea soup that way. I look at a recipe and see the ingredients and proportions and know whether it corresponds with my knowledge of the best way to treat them. Your's sounds just like mine - I call that wonderful.

Pea, Peas, Pease, Please.
Lovely.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 21, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

See, shrieking's mother knew what I'm talking about. I treat food the same way I treat fabric and yarn. I let them tell me how they will best be utilized and try to leave my designs upon them aside. The tastiest food and the most beautiful designs are a surprise to me every time.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 21, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Back when I was trying to get a break into the Canada-Alaska Logging Sports League, The Woods Hold Institute was the primary resource for information on the latest research into equipment & training techniques for the various disciplines, as well as being the official overseer of the drug testing program.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 21, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Gosh! I'm bowing out of the Boodle, now.'bye, all.

Posted by: Yoki | May 21, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Tim, what I found amusing about that "accurate measuring device" is that to get accurate measurements the oil would, presumably, have to pass through the device. So, if BP (or the gummint) could install such a device, they might prefer to install something else. Like an "off" valve.

Posted by: rashomon | May 21, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Tim, Tim, Tim... Can't you see it, man? 100,000 barrels (4,200,000 Gallons) a Day @ 42 Gallons/Barrel; 30 Days = over 126,000,000 Gallons (126 Million Gallons). With the Current fEderaL gASoline Tax of 18.4 cenT$ per gallon, that's about $750,000 bucks a day that they don't have to pay.

How do they actually make any money, you ask? The answer is simple: Volume!

http://www.hulu.com/watch/4258/saturday-night-live-first-citywide-change-bank-1

http://www.hulu.com/watch/2315/saturday-night-live-first-citywide-change-bank-2

Posted by: Bob-S | May 21, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, I can never tell if I'm getting the hook, vaudevillian style, or if I should bow out politely. Tonight, confused as I am, I will choose the latter hoping it is not the former. 'night.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 21, 2010 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Well... pease porridge hot, cold, or nine days in the pot could help end world hunger... if only it would cook up!

Funny, Bob S.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 21, 2010 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Watched "Mexican Hayride". Another good Abbot and Costello.

Was watching "Abbott and Costello Meet the Monster" and the DVD is carped. Some idiot at the library used a sharpie to write a code on Side B. It was nearing then end and then sploop. It's a double sided disc. and they wrote all over side B. They do this all the time. Usually it's almost forgivable because the one side is fullscreen and the other is widescreen, so you can still watch it. But this was two different movies per side. two movies can't be watched now. I have know idea who or what the monster is, only that Bud and Lou save the day. they always do, and besides they made another movie, didn't they

In other movie news. Lemmon and MacLaine in "The Apartment"

I'm in love with Shirley all over again, and Lemmon, ever the gentleman


Apologies for the incoherent rantgent the other day.

prolly not redeeming myself much today.


Imagine three gigantic rubber balls. plop them down on the leaks. place the 100 ton thingamajig on top. OK, time for bed

Oh, wait, does anybody know how to remove sharpie ink from a DVD disc? I doont have to return it for a few days.

Posted by: omni3 | May 21, 2010 1:52 AM | Report abuse

omni, use isopropyl alcohol (available at any pharmacy, if you don't have any) on a very soft piece of cotton. A t-shirt that was worn until it fell apart is perfect.

Posted by: rashomon | May 21, 2010 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Bob-S-, don't give BP any peas porridge cold ideas. Soon they'll be announcing a "junk shot" of peas porridge for nine days from now.

Posted by: steveboyington | May 21, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

I knew you'd know what I know, steveboyington, no worries. And thanks all, sometimes a guy's just gotta rant, yanno?

Hey evvybuddy, guess what?

I'm in charge of my office today!

Hey, why's the bunker door locked?? :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 21, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Mmmmm. Beignets for breakfast. It's been 22 years since my wife and I spent my first bonus check on a trip to Mardi Gras. We had a charmed vacation. We lucked into a hotel reservation one block of Bourbon just a month ahead of time. We did the whole Cafe du Monde thing until my face was just a blanket of sugar.

And we somehow got walk-up reservations at Brennans for the best breakfast I have ever had in my life. It was seven courses ending with Bananas Foster flambeed at the table. Oh, how I could eat my way across New Orleans.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Going back to the topic of swamp monsters/weird creatures and silly things I give you this.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario/big-trout-lake-monster-sparks-internet-speculation/article1576748/

Posted by: dmd3 | May 21, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and I'm reeeeeeeeeeeeeely trying to suppress my schadenfreude over Rand Paul imploding so quickly.

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 21, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

And here is today's dispatch on the tactics of BP. The oil rig survivors were kept at sea incommunicado for over 40 hours and couldn't contact family members until they signed releases.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/may/20/survivor-deepwater-horizon-gulf-oil-explosion

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

SCC: It was Transocean, not BP, that was holding the workers in ransom for signatures.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Scotty,
Saying things like 'anti-discrimination laws shouldn't apply to private businesses' is called 'energizing the base.'

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

This oil leak upsets me no end. I don't like thinking about it too much, but this article is very depresssing.

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2010/05/21/gulf_oil_spill_revives_capes_1969_nightmare/

I enjoyed your rant, Scotty and found it very informative.

Joel, excellent reporting on the people affected and the technical stuff too. Your description of the food in NO makes me really want to go there.

Posted by: badsneakers | May 21, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't those papers be signed under "duress" if they had been kept confined. Would hardly seem like a freely given release.

Ivansmom, Engelmann, ftb?

Posted by: dmd3 | May 21, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I think it is clear that not only is the oil leak far greater than has been believed, but it has already entered the loop current, traveled all the way up the Atlantic to the British Isles, poisoned the local seafood, and induced massive brain damage.

Which is the only way I can explain these mascots:

http://www.geekosystem.com/2012-london-olympic-mascots-kang-kodos/

Posted by: RD_Padouk | May 21, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I think it is clear that not only is the oil leak far greater than has been believed, but it has already entered the loop current, traveled all the way up the Atlantic to the British Isles, poisoned the local seafood, and induced massive brain damage.

Which is the only way I can explain these mascots:

http://www.geekosystem.com/2012-london-olympic-mascots-kang-kodos/

Posted by: RD_Padouk | May 21, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I had no idea that crude oil was so hallucinogenic. They are like Gumby and Pokey tripping on acid.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Isn't "Gumby and Pokey tripping on acid" redundant?

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 21, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I have no idea what Sunday morning cartoons you watched as a kid, Scotty, but could you get me a DVD? I'm going to have to reassess the subtext of Davey and Goliath now.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Like wow. Even looking at those mascots can make you see double.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | May 21, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Actually, they kinda remind me of the Smog Monster... *shivers*

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 21, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all. Splendid rant, scottynuke, and thanks to yoki for the reminder about the unknowns involved here.

I think RD has reached the only possible conclusion about the genesis of the London Olympics mascots. Scary l'il dudes, they are.

Our guest ramblers have an interesting view of the expansiveness of the criminal law. While there may be some which applies here, civil liability for bad things does not mean a crime has been committed. If we can't arrest Internet posters and charge them with a crime when they exaggerate or mislead with words and numbers for their own personal gain (not necessarily financial), then we can't do it to corporations either.

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 21, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I am delighted and releived to report that this is the last day of school. Next year the Boy will be in high school (gulp).

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 21, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I think the blue d1ldo just wetted its pants.

The oil reached one more zone of the Louisiana coast:
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/marsh_island_oil_report_confir.html

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | May 21, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Where is our latest color-coded map of the spill extent so we can play What Cloud Shape Do I See? Or is nobody bothering anymore on the assumption the entire Gulf will be covered eventually?

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Ivansmom -- I'm surprised that today is the last day of the school year for the Boy. Around here (and in Michigan when I was a kit) school went on for another month. But we started again after Labo(u)r Day. Does the Boy start again in August?

*throwing a huge wad of karma to the Boy to be activated once he hits the high school steps*

Posted by: -ftb- | May 21, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Here's the forecast for Sunday.
http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/book_shelf/2030_TMF72-2010-05-20-1300.pdf

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | May 21, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I see Krusty The Klown getting his head bashed by a baseball bat.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

My wife has another month of work. And my son started summer semester on Monday. The calendars have gotten completely out of whack.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Once more I will recommend this site for up-to-date reporting. With accurate diagrams, too.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6493#more

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 21, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

A thought about BP -- as many have noted, there are lots of people paid to manage information and media regarding the company to put it in the best possible light, and to manage or mitigate exposure to risks stemming from use of that information. And to minimize the propogation of Bad News.

In this case, they were put in the position of distributing and advocating an emergency situation with a lot of uncertainty around it. As everyone's learned more about the situation, it has become clear that the information re. flow rate estimates the BP press folks were propogating were woefully conservative. Put me down as another one who does not think there was a large-scale cover-up as much as that corporate reflexes kicking in.

These folks have a Gulf full of Bad News to deal with. I do not envy them at all.

About the booms being deployed in the gulf - aren't they more or less only good for managing the situation at or near the surface? I am unfamiliar with the boom technology being used, but I am curious as to whether there are any undersea mitigation or control efforts for the oil, aside from chemical dispersants.

Bob S, I didn't follow you gas tax calculation. A 42-gallon barrel of crude oil only makes 'bout 20 gallons of gasoline, 10 gallons of diesel, and the rest for other stuff -- grocery bags, and whatnot.

Still, if I consider the idea that 70,000 barrels per day are going into the Gulf over a month that's 2,170,000 barrels and at a basic $70 a barrel, I suppose I could say that represents $151,900,000.

Realistically, that's not the case either, due to the costs of processing crude for sale or refining into other products, but I ran out of appendages to count. Thankfully, I'm in my office with the door closed.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | May 21, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all.

Warm muffins, coffee and OJ on the table.

Yeah, I saw those Olympic mascots the other day and scratched my head. They are the result of many kiddie focus groups and the consensus was "nothing furry". They are definitely not furry. One of them looks like a one-eyed light bulb and there's no cuddling up with a light bulb.

Thanks for the rant, Scotty. Well done.

Yoki, your 8:27pm post says gobs about the risks the oil companies are willing to take. The likelihood of an event like this was considered so small as to be indistinguishable from zero. Now that the non-zero nature of that probability has been revealed, the industry (and the Merikan gummint)is being forced to reassess. This, in the long run, is a good thing. In the short run, it's messy.

Posted by: MsJS | May 21, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

The Standard Model is catching flak at an accelerating rate. That's exciting: new physics is coming.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100520212139.htm

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 21, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

From WaPo story about little vole running in front of the president --

"Washington is, after all built, along a river, on what used to be a malarial swamp."

And you thought using commas had gone out of style!

Posted by: nellie4 | May 21, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

It was a cute little vole.

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 21, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

bc, I was poking a little fun at previous poster liveride, using the numbers provided by him/her.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 21, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Hi all!

Put another comma between "be" and "a malarial swamp" and I'd say it's written in Bill Shatner dialect.

As a fellow TA of my husband's used to rant while grading essays, "Commas are not decorations!"

Posted by: MoftheMountain | May 21, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Ellipses, on the other hand...

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 21, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul once again backs up my argument that all you need to do to negate the Tea Party is actually pipe down and let them talk at length about what they want to do and what they "believe".

Posted by: steveboyington | May 21, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely right, Steve. That's what Rachel Maddow did the other night-- she let Paul go on and on until he hung himself. The more these Teapublicans talk, the better it is for the Dems.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 21, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Paul's self-immolation, along with Katie Couric's Palin interview and its subsequent right-wing accusations of a MSM ambush, remind me of an episode of M*A*S*H. In it, Hawkeye and Charles are competing for the attention of a young Swedish doctor (Mariette Hartley, I think). After Charles bollixes his chances through his usual pomposity, he accuses Hawkeye of sabotaging him. In response to which Hawkeye comments "Yeah. I let him talk."

Posted by: rashomon | May 21, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

This Paul is too precious. He qualified Obaba's criticism of BP as un-American.
"accidents happens". Sure.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/2010_Elections/rand-paul-fires-back-critics-civil-rights-act/story?id=10705651&page=2

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | May 21, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Rand Paul agreed with Laura Ingraham that he was ambushed by the "looney left" ... Rachel Maddow just let him talk and then asked some calm follow-up questions. That wasn't a debate as she was just getting him to clarify his position.

Paul, for his part, minced so many words, it was important to get some simple clarification of his feelings. For her part, Rachel gave him 20 minutes to talk. She asked questions and he answered.

The implications that he was blind-sided and misquoted or quoted out of context is pure folly. Paul just kept talking and they ran the segment right through the scheduled advertising breaks.

Posted by: russianthistle | May 21, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul makes the classic mistake of answering a question other than the one which was asked:

"I support the Civil Rights Act because I overwhelmingly agree with the intent of the legislation, which was to stop discrimination in the public sphere and halt the abhorrent practice of segregation and Jim Crow laws"

Key dog whistle phrase here is 'public sphere.' According to Paul's circumlocution, if the Montgomery transit service had been private, Rosa Parks wouldn't even have had a right to get on the bus.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

'Zactly, yello -- Paul has yet to admit that it's proper for the law to apply to private entities. *rolling my eyes*

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 21, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

From Cillizza's chat. I'm not sure which is more reprehensible, the kid's question or Cilizza's softball answer. Yeah, it's a kid...but Cilizza shoulda ripped him a new one.

"I'm a senior in high school at Langley, and I have a bone about the coverage. I understand there's concern about the oil, but even in the worst case there's so much water in the Gulf that the oil gets diluted. What really bugs me, though, is the huge impact on investors. My grandfather left me 1,000 shares of Transocean when he passed away last year. It was enough, selling at $95 per share, to buy me a 2010 Land Rover Sport Supercharged. Well, not anymore. I just looked and the stock is down to $58. So now I'm stuck with the Land Rover LR-4. With NO Supercharge. All because Obama fusses about the leak rather than swallowing Transocean and BP's liability so the companies can stabilize themselves. Thanks a lot Obama. Stop being the problem, and start being the solution.

A.Chris Cillizza writes:
Um, it's 80 degrees and sunny out in DC today. I would recommend going outside and reveling in the fact that you are in high school.

"It's a glorious time of life -- particularly when you are 18 and have a Land Rover."

--

Although I admit to thinking that perhaps the question was a hoax.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 21, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Yah, 'Mudge, that's waaaaaay too over the top to be real.

I sincerely hope. :-O

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 21, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Have you all seen Google today? Cute! Be sure and insert a coin.

Posted by: nellie4 | May 21, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

OK, Cillza redeemed himself:

"That the "18 yr old Langley High student" was not real. As a 30 year old government contractor who is about to have to buy whatever junker $1500 will get him, I'm not sure I still have the will to live if he actually exists.

A.Andrea Caumont writes:
I totally think that was a joke, but a very funny one.

A.Chris Cillizza writes:
I tend to agree. I can only assume it was a joke. I can only hope -- for my own sanity -- it was a joke.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 21, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Happy beautiful Friday, all.

Well. Not sure how to say it. Tomorrow is the 15th anniversary (which sounds festive but isn't) of my mother's death. Maybe because it has a "5" at the end of it makes it special (which also sounds festive but isn't), but all this week, I've been feeling on edge and very, very sad. 15 years is a long time, but I do miss her greatly. I expect Sunday will be better, as it will be the day after.

*sigh*

Okay, everyone, let's hear sumpin' funny. Mudge? Snuke? Yoki? Frosti? Raysmom? Ivansmom? yj? And all of my other imaginary family units? Let 'er rip!

And joyous huzzahs to the Habs!

Posted by: -ftb- | May 21, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

ftb, I'm not wearing any pants right now.

But the skirt's hiking up something awful.

How's that? :-)

*HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS*

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 21, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

nellie, I almost had my day eaten!

Wish they'd ask Rand Paul about complete drug legalization. The tea party reaction would at least be interesting.

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 21, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I see, Bob S,-- I didn't Backboodle enough to catch the context.

Speaking of my not being on top of my Backboodling, I think someone - jack? - posted a link to a report on those results a day or two back, Jumper. Interesting stuff. And I'm resisting saying something similar to what the WH folks are saying today as a paraphrase of Mr. Jinx -- "I hate mesons to pesons."

The text under the Science Daily graphic seemed a little confusing to me, too. I believe there's some anti-matter in the 'verse, and I think it's still being created in high energy collison situations.

You'd think that after the former PM of the UK had a live mike problem, that folks who handle Palin and Ra. Paul would know to have them be of few words anythere there's one in play.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | May 21, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"Build it Bigger" reran an offseas oil rig construction episode. The technology involved in actually constructing one is very daunting. It did say that oil rig fires have occured before, killing 167 men at once (Piper Alpha), and that a Canadian rig overturned in strong waves decades ago.

They did explain semi-submersible technology for stablizing floating rig platforms, and how the first effort didn't yield much oil until an engineer decided maybe drilling fluid had caused limestone plug at the drill spot. A little HCl and they were getting a gusher after that. That well began at 3,000 feet underwater.

Deepwater Horizon, according to Wikipedia, was at 35,055 feet, with 4,132 of that water.

I guess thinking they could plug that hole wasn't completely crazy, but I'd like to see the back-of-the envelope calculations on how easy it is to cork the top of a 30,000+ foot well.

Given the logistics in managing just one rig, seems the best way to manage such a scenario would be to have already another well within a mile or less which could help pump up the oil and lend equipment to help manage any spills, but nobody has more than one platform rig at a spot, looked like. One is already a huge investment on an unknown oil field.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 21, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Snukie! You're the best! I burst out laughing!

*hugs right back atcha*

Posted by: -ftb- | May 21, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm not wearing Scotty's pants either!!!!

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 21, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I AM wearing Snukies pants. The are a nuclear orange sort of plaid threaded with neon green. Brass suspenders, with the webbing in a poppy-red.

I am about to sprinkler diotomaceous earth to foil the ticks. HE lent them, as they are the luckiest of pants.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 21, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Forgot the ornamental and structural apostrophe:

Snukie's pants

OR is that the pants that belong to Mr. Snukies?

Not sure how you spell your diminutive, SN.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 21, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Just leave his diminutive alone, CqP.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 21, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

From Adam Kilgore's column in the WP:

Nationals principal owner Mark Lerner received stitches this evening after an unfortunate moment during today's batting practice.

Lerner, as he occasionally does, was shagging fly balls in full Nationals uniform alongside his team. Standing in right field, where the sun made it difficult to see, Lerner settled under a fly ball. The ball barely glanced off his glove and drilled Lerner, 56, on the bridge of his nose, right between the eyes.

"I've never seen blood gush that fast out of someone," said one Nationals player.

A trainer rushed to his aid, and Lerner had to be walked off the field with a towel held to his bleeding forehead. Lerner, happily, is doing fine now.

Posted by: russianthistle | May 21, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

http://www.chicagobreakingbusiness.com/2010/05/facebook-myspace-send-user-info-to-advertisers.html

A number of social networking sites are sharing info with their advertisers that, in some cases, can tell the advertiser who you are. This is in direct violation of the privacy rules these companies say they espouse.

Posted by: MsJS | May 21, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, it was the Ocean Ranger that sank in a storm in 1982. 84 dead, mostly by hypothermia. And mostly newfies, a breed that doesn't die easy of hypothermia. Large rescue helicopters, Gumby suits and enclosed evacuation boats became mandatory sometimes thereafter...

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | May 21, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

The Google home page has a functioning PacMan game!

Ain't technology grand.

Regarding that Langley High student. I dunno. I have driven by that High School once or twice. A Land Rover wouldn't look out of place.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | May 21, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Big, Big bear hugs ftb. My Mom always said years with 5's and 0's were special, birthdays, anniversaries etc. Hard to believe it will be four years this year since my mom passed, cliche to say but it really seems like just a short time ago.

Posted by: dmd3 | May 21, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I particularly love the name Ron chose for his son... Rand. I can't get over how many people in NH have taken to posting with characters in Atlas Shrugged as their handle. I love it when they spout all the Atlas Shrugged talking points.... and spell the names wrong. In one message list last week there was a Hank Reardon, a Jon Gault and a Dagney Taggart.

Funny, nobody in New Hampshire goes by Francisco or D'Anconia.

Posted by: steveboyington | May 21, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

In the "Time to Move Elsewhere" department, one of the local papers is sponsoring a contest called What's the Stupidest Thing [Mayor Richard M.] Daley Has Ever Said?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-quotes-20100521,0,200251,full.column

You are invited to vote early and often (a proud TWC tradition), even if you're dead (even prouder).

It's a really close call, but my first vote goes to: "Wha! Wha Wha! Wha! Wha! Wha!"

Posted by: MsJS | May 21, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

ftb, here's a hug and the Ivansclan's favorite knock-knock joke:

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Impatient cow.

Impatien -- Moo.

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 21, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

MsJS, I was reading something similar in WSJ, is really it in violation? Facebook changes its privacy policy at will, and my impression upon reading the latest was that they straight up told you they could give out anything they wanted to advertisers, but if you didn't want your info automatically shared (for your convenience, of course, and despite having set your profile to private) to their partner sites you could go in and opt out of each site individually in your privacy settings.

I'm open to clarification if someone is more knowledgeable...

(and yes, Scotty, that ellipse is purely for asthetic purposes. ;) )

Posted by: MoftheMountain | May 21, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Fun Fact: Rand Paul's given name is Randal (only one 'l') Howard Paul and he was not named after Ayn Rand, not that I think he would have minded.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know ellipses could help with asthma...

Heck, I didn't know porpoises could GET asthma!

Oh, wait... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 21, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Awww. The newborn lion cub at the National Zoo died. My daughter will be heartbroken.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | May 21, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

yellow: good point. So he chooses to go by Rand? Even better.

Posted by: steveboyington | May 21, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

G'afternoon, all. Busy day here, I have a lot going on for somebody without a paying job.

Hugs, ftb! Memorial Day will be the 6th anniversary of my mother's death, which is hard to believe. I still have moments when I think of things I need to ask her about or tell her.

Yes, excellent rant, Scotty! I remember a meeting early in my career, when the local electric utility was moving radioactive material from one place to another via interstate highways. The utility officials were amazed at the calm of the emergency response folks, as opposed to the panicked reaction of the politicians. The material shipped without incident, as it should have.

Posted by: slyness | May 21, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I would rather live for 10 years next to a US nuclear plant than one year next to the coal-fired power plant we have here in Bow, NH.

Posted by: steveboyington | May 21, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

MotM: The personal info can get to advertisers under certain circumstances no matter how one sets the privacy restrictions.

The easiest example is the following:
Say you are on your fb profile page and you click on an ad. The advertiser can, in certain cases, get information connected to your profile page even if you've cranked up the privacy restrictions.

The social media companies say they are addressing the issue and that's good. But they are on record as saying this wasn't happening and it has been.

There are folks out there who intend to keep a close eye on these companies to make sure they stick to their stated policies. I rather expect this won't be the last time we hear about something like this.

I'm left with the impression these things usually happen due to sloppy program code and not to devious intent.

Posted by: MsJS | May 21, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Here's a Star Wars character joke Ivansdad and the Boy made up when he was a toddler. It is still one of our favorites, but maybe you had to be there:

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Pig.

Pig who?

Pig with an axe.

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 21, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Comedy gold, Ivansmom! :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 21, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The latest kerfuffle is that Facebook and real people have differing opinions about what qualifies as 'individually' identifiable information. One commonly transmitted piece of information is referring websites. The URL of that site could be linked to your personal data in some way.

Even a list of Google searches anonymized can be easily traced back to individuals if they do searches on themselves or their home addresses. This can then be datamined to similar searches to find a pattern.

As Scott McNealy said over ten years ago "Privacy is dead, get over it." Well, I'm not going to throw in the towel yet, but it's a mug's game.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Teapublicans have the answer. The answer is no tax for corporations. Front page mystery solved as it seems that corporations are loading up the Tea- and Re-publicans with dough in expectation that they will win control of the Congress in November.

What seems clear to me is that common ordinary people, whether they are working or not, are much better served with people who are not "so" bought-off as the Republicans. Economists who track this sort of thing will tell you that the average American can buy less and less with his wages. They also will tell you that there is a huge redistribution of wealth to the few wealthy people in this country.

Rand Paul has been saying for almost a decade the same thing about equal rights. What must have happened is that, in the past 24 hours, the Republican media handlers have had Randal try to walk the statements back. It is absurd to think that he doesn't believe what he said to NPR and on the Rachel Maddow show.

What's more, we all need to see for ourselves what the Teapublicans are getting into the Republican Party Platforms when they wrest control.

Oh, my.

Posted by: russianthistle | May 21, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

My fave is the one that starts:

Knock knock!

Who's there?

Banana.

Posted by: omni3 | May 21, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

they found the Montauk monster's cousin

Big Trout Lake, Kitchenuhmaykoosib Inninuwug

http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Gargoyle+like+mystery+creature+washes+Ontario+lake/3056938/story.html

Posted by: omni3 | May 21, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

In fb's case, even the person's name was being shared. To their credit, they're fixing it.

Since I was once in the personal data gathering bidness, I know how many of the algorithms work. As it turns out, the advertiser doesn't need to know your name to bombard you with unwanted solicitations. All it needs to know is whether it's worth the time to bombard you.

Posted by: MsJS | May 21, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Ba nanahu?

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 21, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Mmmmm. Thanks for all the hugs and the jokey stuff. Very cute, and makes me smile.

And now I'm gonna go out and do that errand!

Posted by: -ftb- | May 21, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Even with "confirmation bias" widely seen as a bad thing, internet companies are salivating to provide it at the exclusion of other stuff. Even Google refuses to do a true open search for the user nowadays.

Posted by: Jumper1 | May 21, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, Mudge. Enjoy your weekend, all. I shall bike to the National Arboretum to visit some old friends. Rosa is the family name. Honorine expects me every year,
http://www.usna.usda.gov/Gardens/collections/VirtualTours/HerbGardenVT_08.html

As does Madame Hardy, Cecile Brunner, and many others.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 21, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Cow Bell.

Cow Bell who?

More Cow Bell!

MOOOOooooo

Ba-dum-bump

Posted by: omni3 | May 21, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Have a good trip, CqP.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 21, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

enjoy the trip cqp!

Posted by: MsJS | May 21, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Banana who?

Posted by: Ivansmom | May 21, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Orange you glad I didn't say banana?

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

KK
WT?
Isabelle
I?
Isabella necessary on a bicycle?

----
KK
Wt?
Gorilla
GH?
Gorilla a cheese sammich and I'll be right over.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 21, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Almost yello, I heard a different version as a kid.

After "Banana who?" you repeat the knock knock from the start, after a couple times, depending on the persons patience, and willingness to play along, 1 or 2 or 3 more times, then you say "Orange you glad I didn't say banana again?"

Posted by: omni3 | May 21, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Home computer in the shop with "issues"; am 'puterless until Tuesday. See yuns Monday morning here. Everybody have a good weekend.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 21, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Soap.

Soap who?

No Soap, Radio!


......

It occurred to me that a knock knock is a good short set up for variations on the "No Soap, Radio".

Just choose something different than Soap and Radio in case they know this joke, set it up, and you're good to go.

Posted by: omni3 | May 21, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Borrowing CqP's shorthand. Repeat ad nauseum, and the exclamations are uttered at maximum volume.

KK
WT?
Ether
EW?
Ether Bunny! YAAAAAY! :)
------
KK
WT?
Nada
NW?
Nada Ether Bunny! YAAAAAAY! :D
------
KK
WT?
Stella
SW?
Stella Nada Ether Bunny! YAAAAAY! 8D
------
KK
WT?
Consumption
CW?
Consumption be done with all these ether bunnies?
------
KK
WT?
Cargo
CW?
Cargo, beep beep, and run over all the Ether bunnies. WAAAAAH! :(
------
KK
WT?
Boo
BW?
Don't cry, Ether bunnies be back next year! YAAAAAY! :D

Often followed by an ether bunny version of KK, WT? Orange and accompanied by the campfire song "Stay on the Happy Side" (also at maximum volume) between KKs.

Upon reflection, it's a miracle my sister and I made it to adulthood.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | May 21, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

MotM, who told you that you did?

Posted by: omni3 | May 21, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Have a good weekend Mudge. Take up a #2 pencil and give us a good report come Monday.

for ftb: I understand. My dad died on Mother's Day 10 years ago. An anniversery punctuates those memories. Everyday life tends to filter the primal hurt and then the 'remembrance day' comes. I think celebrating your mom here is joyous and I send my embrace to you in her stead.

From Troutlake Monsters to Chernobyl Teletubbie LondonOly atrocities to OilDrum.com links to knock-knocks, this had been an interesting day to backboodle.

On the homefront . . . . . the car is still on the operating table and the drivers are in ICU. Almost DOA, walletwise, but prognosis good. Send flowers.

Listening to White Album as I type.
Link music y'all. 8-D


Posted by: talitha1 | May 21, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Ob-la-di, ob-la-da, talitha!

Gonna be largely absent from the boodle this wknd on account of a house guest camping out in the computer room.

Have a fantabulous wknd, y'all.

Posted by: MsJS | May 21, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

lol @omni. Truly, the first draft of that had "(relative)" prior to "adulthood."

Time to go home, TGIF. Have a lovely weekend, all!

Posted by: MoftheMountain | May 21, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

You are very sweet, talitha. Thank you.

Posted by: -ftb- | May 21, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I invented a new recipe and hope you all can forgive me.

It's called:

La Mort Par Poutine

and goes a little something like this:

potato

bacon
butter
flour
cream

stock. beef chicken pork turkey, I really don't care, but if you're Jewish or Muslim you might want to avoid the pork stock (It's made from pigs, dontcha know [wink])

your favorite cheese, shredded, unless it's American cheese or Velveeta or cream cheese or mascarpone. YUCK. And how would you shred those abominations anyways. American cheese isn't even cheese for crying out loud.

Clean the potatoes, but don't peel them unless you really really have to. And trust me you don't. So don't peel the potatoes. OK.

From here on out timing is important.

Slice the potatoes into something resembling square sticks. The thickness should be that of a human finger. Unless you have fat fingers. You want to fry these square shaped potato sticks until they are soft on the inside and a little crisp on the outside. If you find any fingers in the finals don't blame me. OK.

Elsewhere in the kitchen fry some bacon. Fry some of this bacon to a nice crispness and chop up into bacon bits. Throw the rest out.

Just kidding. Fry the rest to the doneness you like and you can enjoy munching them as you continue my experimental cooking catastrophe waiting to happen. I just noticed experimental ends with...

Now add some butter to the bacon fat (Use a lot of butter if you want Française version). Mix vigorously. Sift in flour while stirring constantly. Then add cream slowly while stirring constantly.

When thoroughly mixed add stock.

By now, if you any sense of time at all, your potatoes are ready. Otherwise start over from scratch.

Put potato shaped square sticks on plate big enough to hold them all. You don't want them spilling out all over the floor after all that hard work.

Cover with shredded cheese. Sprinkle with bacon bits. Pour heart attack gravy all over everything.

Grab a fork. Have a seat. Enjoy, and die happ,urp


Posted by: omni3 | May 21, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Cool, MotM, I'm laughing with you.

Posted by: omni3 | May 21, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

la
la
lala
life goes on!

baby, you can drive MY car.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 21, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Holy arteries, omni3! *does sound good, tho*

Interesting review in the NYT about the third Millennium book ("The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest"). Makes me want to read the series all over again.

But instead, perhaps I should read this morning's WaPo before it gets any older. Or I do.

Posted by: -ftb- | May 21, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Live feed. Sort of engrossing in an inverse-Zen sort of way.

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

Posted by: RD_Padouk | May 21, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

The Abyss was on HBO this pm. Couldn't bear to watch but I did think of inner space and oil rig interaction. Wonder why?

RD_P, inverse-Zen indeed. It's the Christmas Yulelog video gone bad.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 21, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

The important thing ftb, is did it make you laugh at all? I want everyone to die happy

Posted by: omni3 | May 21, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

FYI, apparently putting 2 coins into the Google doodle Pac-man will get you two player with Pac-man and Ms. Pac-man.

Just had to share that. :)

Back to dinner. Have a good weekend!

Posted by: MoftheMountain | May 21, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

ftb, had to backboodle-- hugs, even though fifteen years have gone by.

Let the sadness be an incentive to do something you both liked but maybe that you've forgotten to do so for so long.


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 21, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

ftb-kitty lovin's on the way (allergy free if that's a concern) And, thanks for mentioning the NYT review. I just read it, and a bonus excerpt of the first 3 pages of The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest. It's driving me crazy that it won't be released until the 25th!

omni-I think I gained 5 lbs just reading that recipe. Looks delish though.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | May 21, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

My mama's gone, too.
Still recall her silky ears,
long nose, longer tongue.

-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 21, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

"Drop-side cribs to be banned from sales because of safety risks"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/21/AR2010052103254.html?hpid=topnews

----------------------------

Back when "Cheers" was still a fairly new TV show and "M*A*S*H" hadn't ended yet, a buddy and I spent several months building a crib (yep, drop-side) for a co-worker having her first child. We were particularly proud of the rack-and-pinion mechanism we devised to make it easy to secure & release the side-drop, while making it impossible to release only one side at a time, or to release it from inside the crib.

If it still exists, I'd be kind of surprised if that crib wasn't still safe and serviceable today. We built that baby to last.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 21, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Clap, clap, clap for omni.
He captured the essence of poutine.

Maybe Essence of Poutine would make a good name for a luscious potatouey cologne.

Witch no.1 turned out to be a fairly good writer. I'm waiting for her antipodean dispatches with anticipation.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | May 21, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Bob -- you built a crib for a co-working. Double indulgences for you and my admiration. The S in Bob S is for sweet.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 21, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrodog just made me cry
Here is pat for silky ears

Posted by: talitha1 | May 21, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I was busy today with the FiOS installer (finally have the TVs converted) and doing some ancestry work, so I've not been paying close attention here.

Bob, I second CqP's thought, you are definitely a sweetie. I bet if all cribs were made as yours was, they wouldn't have had to discontinue them.

ftb, I feel for you, entering records into a family tree makes me nostalgic and leaves me missing my parents and aunts.

Just read that book review and having seen the movie this week I am more than ready to read the last installment. I love kick-a$$ female characters.

Posted by: badsneakers | May 21, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, thanks! The timing was serendipitous, as I happened to be in a woodworking phase, and therefore had most of the skills and access to all of the tools for such a project, when I got the news (with plenty of lead time) that she was "in a family way." I'd just finished up another time-consuming piece, and the crib sounded like a fun project.

My fellow craftsman on the project was endlessly amused that one of the first things I did (long before we were ready to use any) was start researching (and then tasting!) non-toxic finishes. As I explained to him, there were very few surfaces available to me as a tiny tot that I didn't leave toothmarks upon, and I vaguely remember that some of them didn't taste very good.

I'm sure I ate a good bit of lead paint (and ran behind the DDT-spraying mosquito-fogger truck!) as a young lad, which may help to explain many things, including why I thought it was reasonable to taste-test paints, varnishes & stains.

[No, I didn't find any finishes that were so tasty I eat them to this day. But I did settle upon a couple that weren't too obnoxious. No, I don't remember what they were.]

Posted by: Bob-S | May 21, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if any of you are watching Real Time with Bill Maher right now but their convo about the oil spill is ludicrously ill-informed and crassly politicized. Not helpful, imho

Posted by: talitha1 | May 21, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

oh, well - I like satire so why am I kvetching?

Posted by: talitha1 | May 21, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I often get a kick out of Bill Maher, but "wise & temperate" is seldom the effect he's going for.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 21, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Bob, I worked in a materials testing lab at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing one summer. Every once in a while someone would come through the office with new adhesives they were testing for stamps, looking for volunteers to lick them and rate the taste. They would have loved you.

Posted by: rashomon | May 21, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

rash - LOL! Yup, count me in!

A couple of years ago, my office was having some pre-paid return envelopes printed to accompany a survey we were sending out. The final determining factor (I was NOT the person who made this decision or even lobbied to consider it) when we settled on the envelope was the flavor of the flap adhesive.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 21, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Spotty boodling might
be why I missed it, or did
the Canadians
hide Vanessa's light under
the proverbial bush(el)?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/21/ipad-porn-amateur-content-canadian-tv

Posted by: DNA_Girl | May 21, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

"In April it was announced that the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission approved the licensing of Canada's first porn channel. Known as "Vanessa", it will begin to air in October and will be required to adhere to Canadian content regulations, which mandate that programmes featured on the channel include "equitable portrayals" of the sexes and uniquely Canadian themes and settings."

Please don't make me say it.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry yello, all the commenters on the original story have already said it (over and over again).

Posted by: Yoki | May 21, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I must point out, yellojkt, that HARDtv and Red Hot TV are available to help our northern brethren & sistren make it through the night. I believe that Vanessa's distinction is that it's the first French-language purveyor of such fare.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 21, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

All Things Salacious;
daily broadcast hosted by
yello pro bono

Posted by: DNA_Girl | May 21, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

DNA Girl just
enables salacious thoughts
I didn't have yet

Posted by: yellojkt | May 21, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Bob S grins and claims
to offer some sage advice.
That herb not be straight.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 22, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Which of course leads back to here:

http://www.canadiansexacts.org/

What I wouldn't do for a Sticky Flapjack.

Posted by: yellojkt | May 22, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Who knows what thoughts lurk
in the s(t)eamy hearts of men?
DNA Girl knows!

Posted by: DNA_Girl | May 22, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

DNA - !

I was kind of proud of my effort, what with the nature reference & all. But yours was quite nice.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 22, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Herb? forbid the thought
of misbegotten revelries
at such an hour.

Mayhaps I ponder twice upon this thought
and hie me to the nearest cookie bin.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 22, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Since I've always been a bit of a map freak, I'll recommend this on my way out:

"Library of Congress holds conference on origins of portolan charts"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/21/AR2010052104713.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: Bob-S | May 22, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

'tis morn in this time
zone and 'tis past time to zone
or zonk out Bob-S

Posted by: DNA_Girl | May 22, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Love maps too, Bob. Thanks and send more!

Posted by: talitha1 | May 22, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Porn? Lord love a moose,
Animals know without that--
Naturally smart.

-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 22, 2010 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Canadian p0rn... Hmmmmmmm...

To paraphrase Robin Williams;

"Looks like an industrial film covered in parkas and toques."

*ducking-and-running-before-the-tomatoes-start-flying-and-contemplating-a-long-list-of-chores Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 22, 2010 6:20 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

Off for airport pickup duty, and then procurement of food (since I won't be around to cook) - bagels, lox, cream cheese, onion, and capers.

All this talk of licking and the new Canadian channel's -- what is the Boodle coming to?

Teh Haiku Hottnesss?

bc

Posted by: -bc- | May 22, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning,friends. Can one measure how much oil and gas is coming from this gusher in all that water? I can see measuring what's piped in a tanker, and even that is dicey, but how do measure the amount coming out of the gusher, truly? And if that can't be done, because it's like measuring the love, then do you play the blame game? Asking for the impossible, then blaming? As you can well see, I don't understand any of this, but then, we knew this right?

Just to let all of you here know about my green thumb, when I go to my little spot to do something, my neighbor from across me comes out and ask, what are you getting ready to do? And she then takes over completely. In other words, my neighbors don't allow me to mess up. They're on it. And not just one of them. When one shows up, they all show up. I know I don't have a green thumb, and I really appreciate the help, but it does make me feel a little bad sometimes.(smile) I'm sure the plants are happy.

Where are the Republicans getting these people from? Are they from the surrounding planets? Do they actually live in America?

Have a great weekend, folks, and love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | May 22, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning,friends. Can one measure how much oil and gas is coming from this gusher in all that water? I can see measuring what's piped in a tanker, and even that is dicey, but how do measure the amount coming out of the gusher, truly? And if that can't be done, because it's like measuring the love, then do you play the blame game? Asking for the impossible, then blaming? As you can well see, I don't understand any of this, but then, we knew this right?

Just to let all of you here know about my green thumb, when I go to my little spot to do something, my neighbor from across me comes out and ask, what are you getting ready to do? And she then takes over completely. In other words, my neighbors don't allow me to mess up. They're on it. And not just one of them. When one shows up, they all show up. I know I don't have a green thumb, and I really appreciate the help, but it does make me feel a little bad sometimes.(smile) I'm sure the plants are happy.

Where are the Republicans getting these people from? Are they from the surrounding planets? Do they actually live in America?

Have a great weekend, folks, and love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | May 22, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all, and happy weekend! Cassandra, I'm glad to hear that your tomatoes are in good hands. I hope you feel well!

We had enough rain last night that Mr. T can't finish the raised vegetable bed he's building for me. Oh well. He's trimming a shrub now and we can put down pine needles so the day won't be a loss.

He informed me last night that the responsibility belongs to me for activities in London for our trip in a couple of weeks. Hamlet at the Globe? The Tempest at Old Vic? Mrs. Warren's Profession at the Haymarket? Quilts at the V & A are definitely on the agenda, as are Leonardo drawings at the British Museum. Alas, Windsor Castle is closed for the entire month, so we'll have to go to Hampton Court instead. Then on to Leipzig to look at fire apparatus...

Posted by: slyness | May 22, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

A wise woman asked,
what is a measure of love?
A span of God's hand?

Posted by: DNA_Girl | May 22, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

It must be a gazzalion gallons of oil a second. Got to be.

How else can we discredit oil?

Posted by: GaryEMasters | May 22, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Hi, Cassandra. It's probably not a criticism of your gardening efforts, you know. Your neighbor has seen you on crutches lately (still?) and is trying to help. I would do that for a neighbor obviously not physically up to gardening.

DNA Girl, you and Bob S were on a roll last night! Very subtle and funny.

Posted by: Wheezy11 | May 22, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Apparently this guy knows the measure of love:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/family-and-relationships/you-him---energy-breakup-mathematician-finds/article1576467/

I am seething with frenvy at your trip, slyness. I've not spent more than a day in London in too long. I would certainly spend an afternoon at the Tate Modern. Think any play in the West End is bound to please.

Posted by: Yoki | May 22, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I know they're helping, and it's a fact, I'm so awful at gardening. I do appreciate their help, not complaining one bit. I just think it's funny, and a little sad. Something I love to do, but really awful at it. I'm a murderer, killing plants.

Hi, Slyness. You and Mr. T are going on a trip? That's wonderful. I hope you and your love have a great time.

I've laid the crutches aside for the moment. I haven't thrown them away because I might have to go back to them. My doctor says I have a pinched nerve and will probably need surgery. I told her she was riding high until she mentioned surgery.

I know the oil spill is frustrating for all of us, and I most certainly include myself in that number. I just want all of us as the great nation we are to send our prayers upward so we can have peace here and prosperity that we can't even imagine. He is faithful that will do, and not a man to lie. He wants us to seek Him in everything, especially the hard things of this world. And this folks, is hard.

Help us, Lord Jesus, help us.

Posted by: cmyth4u | May 22, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I know they're helping, and it's a fact, I'm so awful at gardening. I do appreciate their help, not complaining one bit. I just think it's funny, and a little sad. Something I love to do, but really awful at it. I'm a murderer, killing plants.

Hi, Slyness. You and Mr. T are going on a trip? That's wonderful. I hope you and your love have a great time.

I've laid the crutches aside for the moment. I haven't thrown them away because I might have to go back to them. My doctor says I have a pinched nerve and will probably need surgery. I told her she was riding high until she mentioned surgery.

I know the oil spill is frustrating for all of us, and I most certainly include myself in that number. I just want all of us as the great nation we are to send our prayers upward so we can have peace here and prosperity that we can't even imagine. He is faithful that will do, and not a man to lie. He wants us to seek Him in everything, especially the hard things of this world. And this folks, is hard.

Help us, Lord Jesus, help us.

Posted by: cmyth4u | May 22, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Slyness, You've likely seen more of London than me, but here's a short list anyway.
Dennis Sever's House
Sir John Soane's House
St. Stephen Walbrook in the City
Courtald Collection
Osterley or Syon House?? I've never been around when Syon was open.

Royal Court (theater with comfy leather seats)
Sadler's Wells (comfy new dance theater)
Royal Festival Hall (I haven't been since the Big Rehab)
If possible, the Painted Hall at Greenwich.
Also if possible, Westminster Hall.
I haven't made it to the Tricycle Theater.


Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | May 22, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Such a quiet Saturday Boodle. This should help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSQJE5AGpRg

Posted by: Yoki | May 22, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Afternoon, Boodle. Hey, Yoki.

Slyness, if you need some flunky to help carry your bags on your london trip, open doors, and be a general factotum, I'm available.

At least, I plan on being available, although I'm not at the moment. I'm in the waiting room at the local ER. The cellulitis in my leg has flared up, and the local doc has sent me here to get another PICC line (my third) installed in my arm for IV antibiotics. Not my favorite way to spend a Saturday, but it's still better than honey-dos. And I get to use this computer in the waiting area while my home computer is in the shop.

Gary, I'm sure we can find some other way to discredit BP without your snide exaggerations. We're pretty creative; we'll think of something. But thanks for checking in. Always good to hear your thoughts on current events. Of course, you're still back in the 1840s politically speaking, but even so, there's lots of history buffs here. You must be pretty excited about Rand Paul's victory.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 22, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, 'mudgie, that's awful. I'm sorry to hear it (but it is lovely to have you here when we didn't expect you).

Posted by: Yoki | May 22, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for your kind offer, Mudge, but that's why I have Mr. T. ;-)

The Tate! I completely forgot about it. Thanks for the reminder, Yoki. Syon House, Dave...I've read about it, it would be a great tour. As I said, I was disappointed by not being able to go to Windsor Castle, but I figure that is an excellent excuse to plan another trip!

Five days isn't nearly long enough, of course. I figure four months would sate my tourism desires in London. Maybe.

Shall we plan a group trip for next spring?

Cassandra, a pinched nerve in your leg or your back? Not a good thing ever.

Posted by: slyness | May 22, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

That is a *fabulous* idea, slyness. I'm in. Talk about an international BPH!

Posted by: Yoki | May 22, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

*aiming the healing mojo gun at both Cassandra and Mudge*

*aiming the smile laser at everyone*

Posted by: MsJS | May 22, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, thinking of you. Please take good care of yourself. *hug*

Yoki, shaking up a quiet drizzly afternoon for me, huh? Thanks, I needed that! Mr.Tal is up in PA playing for a costume ball of some sort. I can never tell what he's up to until he dons whatever period outfit best suits the gig. Today was colonial American with knee britches and white hose! Never a dull moment until it gets quiet in his absence.

slyness, I was gonna offer to be a bag porter for you but Mudge beat me to it. I'm completely frenvious, especially to see the quilts.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 22, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Yoki - That one definitely takes me back to my teens. Tiny clubs and warehouse lofts, raw rock.

Posted by: Bob-S | May 22, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Well, I never claimed to be a grown-up, Bob.

Posted by: Yoki | May 22, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Slyness, I, too, am frenvious about your upcoming trip to London. Practically every time I've been there, I go to the Victoria & Albert Museum and then take tea at Fortnum & Mason. Let's face it, UK food is not the most wunnerful in the world, but F&M's tea is pretty good, considering. I regret not indulging in a huge jar of Vindaloo curry to bring home the last time I was there.

You're right, Yoki (well, you're *always* right, Yoki) about an IBPH next year over there. Would that we all could ....

I was a bit surprised to see Mudge pop up on the boodle today, and I'm concerned that it had to happen within the confines of a hospital. Therefore, I am faxing some duly macerated karma in your direction, Mudgekins, and a load of sweet karma to Cassandra, too.

After I got back from all my morning errands, I then lit my candle for mom. Didn't want to have a candle burning while I was out, and I apologized to her for having been tardy. She understood, because, well, she always understood. Do miss her horribly, still. And thanks again for all the hugs and good wishes. Nice to be in a family with no (apparent) rampant family politics (or at least not for awhile now, and aren't we soooo grateful).

Hugs back atcha.

And, as long as I'm here, ALLEZ LES HABS this afternoon.

Posted by: -ftb- | May 22, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute is the Worlds Best NonProfit agency for Oceanographic Studies and They are not Paid to Underestimate the FACTS in favor of BP.

They now estimates the Oil Leak to be over 100,000 barrels day; 25,000 Barrels from one hole, and 70,000 Barrels from another of the Broken Pipes and there is still another break to be examined.

100,000 barrels (4,200,000 Gallons) a Day @ 42 Gallons/Barrel; 30 Days = over 126,000,000 Gallons (126 Million Gallons).

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126975907

http://www.whoi.edu/

http://globalwarming.house.gov/spillcam

The Oil and Gas Industries have been Cheating the Public out of Billions every year, all while enjoying both Public Subsidies and Tax exemptions (in the case of Gulf Coast Drillers).

Require Drillers to be Insured for Worst case Scenario ($100 Billion ~ $1~2 Trillion from the looks of this accident).

The Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund supported by industry fees should be raised from $1 Billion to $500 Billion.

Current Drillers should be subject to new Insurance and Safety Regulation requirements.

BP’s CEO and cohorts should be immediately Arrested and Jailed without Bail. BP is Guilty of an Active Criminal Cover-up costing us Hundreds of. An ongoing Crime of this magnitude should be stopped Immediately.

Arrest them at Ronald Reagan Airport or pull them out of their Luxury Yachts in the Gulf. JAIL them now before they can do any more damage to the USA in this Criminal Cover-up.

Posted by: liveride | May 22, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I hope Mr Tal has the leg(s) for knee hose, such a waste of a good outfit otherwise.

I guess Mudge is still going with cellulitis over termites for the time being, but that kind of recurrent infection is nothing to fool around with.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 22, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Awww, ftb. *Big hugssssss* I feel for you.

This is pretty good.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/magazine/23Larsson-t.html?src=me&ref=general

Habs!

Posted by: Yoki | May 22, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Slyness,
A group trip might not be a bad idea.

Osterley's interiors are by the same fashionable architect as Syon's. Arguably both houses represent the best taste money could buy in 18th century England.

I've seen Hampton Court only once, during its rebuilding after a disastrous fire. I thought I'd been sated with daffodils, but obediently checked out the palace's daffodil field anyway. It was amazing.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | May 22, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

If fish is "brain food" and we eat more and more fish, why are we too stupid to stop the destruction of.... the world's fisheries?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599199117200

Posted by: steveboyington | May 22, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, Mr.Tal definitely has the legs for knee hose, along with some other fine physical attributes. 8-) He can pull off a great colonial fifer and a pretty decent more dandified gentleman if called upon.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 22, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

LOL! What Georgette Heyer would have described something like 'shewing a finely-turned calf when he made his leg to the ladies.'

Posted by: Yoki | May 22, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, back in the day when men were the peacocks and ladies rather pea-henish, the falsies available for men lacking a fair and sturdy calf were made of sewn bags filled with sand and emery, with laces to lash then to the dancing man's leg.

Oh, the humanity of it all!

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 22, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

And now there are calf implants for the same purpose!

But did you like my pastiche?

Posted by: Yoki | May 22, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Pastiche perfect!

Posted by: talitha1 | May 22, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Get better 'Mudge!!!! :-O

Posted by: Scottynuke | May 22, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Oy.

Thanks all for your good wishes. Alas, I am now in the waiting room of the ER at Georgetown Hosp. (where I wanted to go in the first place except that a certain person who will go unnamed but whom I have been married to your 27 years 8 months and 19 days talked me into going to the local chop shop instead). Looooong story, which boils down to: local chop shop doesn't do PICC lines on weekends, only 9-5 on weekdays. So there was 90 minutes shot, and I wound up checking myself out of their ER by just walking out while waiting for Godot. Then, while driving to DC, engine in pickup overheated while crossing the Wilson Bridge. Found a gas station where I got water, but failed to fill it enough, and it overheated again six blocks later.

Gotta run.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | May 22, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Ouch Mudge, not a way to spend the weekend.

Mr. Liver Ide Has Strange Capitalization Habits.

This is Victoria day weekend, the busiest gardening weekend of the year. Mrs. D and I spent the day reconstructing a flower bed destroyed in by the mount Sanitation project. Tomorrow I must get on the regular stuff like planting potatoes, seeding cucumbers, beans, etc.

I moved a bunch of 24x30" tiles this morning. The b@stards have gained 10lbs since I laid them down 10 years ago.

This isn't going so well for the Canadien. Rats.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | May 22, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

fair AND sturdy?

Posted by: teddymzuri | May 22, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

everybody wants to talk about 33.
how 'bout 44 saves, 5 in OT.
just say no.
31.

Posted by: teddymzuri | May 22, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Niemi very impressive.

Posted by: Yoki | May 22, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

But you have to admit that is it lots of fun to say Byfuglien.

Posted by: Yoki | May 22, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Cinnamon-raisin bread in the oven. Off to a story-swap soon. Aloha!

Posted by: ScienceTim | May 22, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

This is what obituaries are for: to tell you about people you should have known and admired but didn't get around to doing it earlier.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postmortem/2010/05/in-a-league-of-her-own.html?hpid=news-col-blog

RIP Dottie Kamenshek. Wish I'd met you earlier.

Posted by: ScienceTim | May 22, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Mudge dude, I feel for ya. Were it me, I'd say I had way too much going on.

I hope you can have a good tall beverage and relax later this evening.

Feel better soon, sir.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | May 22, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

It is really tragic to realize that you've met somebody too late.

Posted by: Yoki | May 22, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Yoki! Yes. And, sometimes never too late to be kind and etc.

Mudge reports that the medical machinations continue. Film at 11ish.

And, meanwhile, hockey continues I believe.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 22, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

And also never too late to meet other great people!

Posted by: Yoki | May 22, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes, dear Yoki. On my gravestone, inscribe that

NEVER TOO LATE

EXPIRATION DATE REACHED, though is tempting.

YJ will write:
MAY AS WELL BE KIND

Error wrote:

TIKI BAR OPEN 24/7

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 22, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, *we're* all great, aren't we? Um, even mostly, perhaps?

Too bad about the Habs. If they can't win a game in Philly, then it's curtains for them this year. But they certainly have reached a point not *ever* expected this year, so they can be proud in their disappointment (if it comes to that, which (in my heart of hearts) I think it very well will).

I wonder if Joel is gonna throw us a new kit tomorrow?

Mudgie -- so sorry about your travails. *tossing more karma yer way*

Posted by: -ftb- | May 22, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Ah, ScienceTim. I spent a good hour this afternoon reading about 'Dottie' Kamenshek and her remarkable record in the women's leagues. She was described as the one of the best first base fielders, gender be damned, of all time. (Hope I got that right.) I'm not the best sports fan here but I sure know a woman who took it to the limit. Kamenshek did, and what a physique!
RIP Ms.K.

Posted by: talitha1 | May 22, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, sciTim, for that link. No crying in baseball? Well, yes, but today, crying for baseball's loss.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 22, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

SCC: extra "the" dele

Posted by: talitha1 | May 22, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

ftb, wondering about Mr.A myself.
He's certainly more than entitled to time off well spent. Can't help thinking he's about to give us "food for thought" if not actual photos of food for frenviousness!

Posted by: talitha1 | May 22, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

That is exactly right, ftb. And I can tell you, if they play the next game in Philly the way they played this afternoon (on home ice!!!) it will not only be all over, it will be deservedly so.

As you say, they weren't even supposed to be in the playoffs, much less push the Caps out, so it has all been gravy.

Nonetheless, I have a little lump in my throat at the thought.

Posted by: Yoki | May 22, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I hope you are home by now, with your feet up and the cold beverage of your choice at your side. Emergency rooms on the weekend are not pleasant places to be.

Way kewl obit, SciTim. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: slyness | May 22, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

New kit.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | May 22, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

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