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Gulf well uncapped again

Watch it and weep.

Here's my story (developing).

The gulf well is an uncapped geyser again after an accident forced officials Wednesday to remove the containment device that had been effectively capturing much of the gushing oil for weeks.

Separately, the response to the spill took a tragic turn when two people associated with the clean-up died in unrelated incidents, one a swimming pool accident and the other involving a person enlisted in the effort to skim oil, Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen announced. He had no further information about the two deaths, which he learned about just before his noon EDT briefing.

Allen said the accident involving the containment operation was also under investigation, but he outlined the early theory of what happened. At 9:45 a.m. EDT engineers aboard the drillship Discoverer Enterprise noticed gas rising through a water line that had been pumping hot water down to the sea floor to prevent methane hydrates from clogging the cap.

The appearance of gas created a hazardous situation on the ship, which has been rigidly connected to the well via a riser pipe and the containment cap. Engineers disengaged the cap and the riser. Scrutiny of the cap indicated that a vent had been inadvertently closed, possibly bumped by one of the many remotely operated vehicles, or ROVs, that conduct the subsea operations, Allen said.

Officials are studying the cap to see if it is now clogged with methane hydrates. They hope to be able to recap the well, though Allen did not give any timetable for that. The cap had managed to capture 16,668 barrels (700,056 gallons) of oil Tuesday; another 10,429 barrels (438,018 gallons) were flared through a separate containment operation using a line that leads to a different vessel, the Q4000.

The total amount captured set a new record for the containment operation, but the Wednesday morning setback puts the future of the strategy in doubt.

Complicating matters is that hurricane season is kicking into full gear. Allen said up to a week of preparation would be necessary to disengage vessels in advance of a tropical storm. A tropical wave in the Caribbean is moving to the west, slowly, and has a 30 percent chance of becoming a tropical cyclone in the next 48 hours, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The flaring operation continues, but the live video feed from the gulf shows a scene not witnessed for weeks -- a plume of oil and gas surging from the sheared-off pipe atop the well's blowout preventer. The overall flow has been estimated by the government at 35,000 to 60,000 barrels (1.47 million to 2.52 million gallons) a day.

This was not the first accident involving the ROVs, which are operated by technicians on surface ships. Weeks ago, an ROV bumped a pipe that was being used to siphon oil from the collapsed riser pipe and temporarily shut down that containment operation.

"I think the fact that we've had two bumps that have had consequences associated with them in the 60 plus days we've been doing the response, it's a pretty good record," Allen said.

By Joel Achenbach  |  June 23, 2010; 1:26 PM ET
 
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And here I was in *such* a good mood over the soccer game.

I'm having a hard time reading anything too profound into this except, of course, we should have never ended up in this situation to begin with.

At least the flaring is continuing.

And weren't they planning on replacing that cap pretty soon anyway?

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 23, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

The long-awaited robot uprising has begun.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 23, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Would it have been smart to have another cap waiting, you know, just in case?

Posted by: -dbG- | June 23, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

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THE [OLD ,WRONG, BAD AND NEARLY USELESS] WELLHEAD "CAP" HAS BEEN REMOVED !!!!
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AND NOW THE OIL FLOWS IN THE OCEAN AT 4,000 BARRELS PER HOUR !!!!
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SEE THE BP LIVE VIDEO HERE: http://www.deepwaterbp.com/
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STOP the oil spill NOW: http://bit.ly/c8y9GX
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Posted by: www999 | June 23, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Weird here too Shriek, reposting

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/earthquake-shakes-central-canada-us/article1614941/

Posted by: dmd3 | June 23, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Think any of the worst case scenario thinking involved something bumping the cap? Or is this something on the worse-but-not-worst case list?

Posted by: LostInThought | June 23, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Globe listing earthquake as a 5.5, explains why I am still feeling nervous, that is pretty big for this area.

Here the Summit planners say they were prepared for anything - wonder if they included an earthquake in their worst case scenarios.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 23, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

But it wasn't the cap that malfunctioned, it was the water line valve. So that's where some redundancy would have been helpful. I don't really fault them for that; the closing of the valve really was an accident, and not negligence.

Posted by: Yoki | June 23, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

BP-USA employees with 401(k) plans heavily loaded in the BP Stock Fund have watched their retirement savings shrink by half these past 2 months.

A firm has been hired to determine whether those who manage the BP 401(k) plans are in violation of ERISA.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/milberg-llp-is-investigating-bp-employee-401k-retirement-savings-losses-2010-06-23?reflink=MW_news_stmp

Posted by: MsJS | June 23, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Didn't 'Mudge leave the Sonic Disruptor with Trudeau one time? *looking to the north*

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 23, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm breaking out the binocs and will report any tornados or zombie attacks.

Posted by: Boomslang | June 23, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The Sonic Disruptor is no match for the Trudeau Fuddle Duddle.

Posted by: byoolin1 | June 23, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Thanks boko, I'm keeping an eye on the Ottawa River for incoming Tsunamis.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 23, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

That'd make Truro jealous, eh Shriek?

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 23, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

One of the top reasons the North American political system (Canada too!) works is we don't have to worry about Generals going rogue. They'd have to get elected first and that tends to cool their jets.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

*not mentioning Al Haig to shrink* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 23, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Would you believe the Mahut-Isner match is now at 50 games -each- in the 5th set?

Posted by: MsJS | June 23, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes you just have to slog through it. The Mahut/Isner set has gone beyond 100 games. Words fail me.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | June 23, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

That fifth set is insane. That's got to be a record. Is that a record?

Posted by: -bia- | June 23, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I was invaded by mice. Five down, how many more to go? Sigh. I feel like Obama.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 23, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Ready to fax out Cajun catfish tacos for lunch. Tzadsiki or mango salsa on the side.

This morning when I watered the gardens, wasps (ack) and butterflies appeared. While the wasps hovered, the butterflies landed on the damp soil and remained there for 5 minutes. Charming.

Al Haig still alive?

Posted by: -dbG- | June 23, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Salazar should be in jail.

Posted by: farmsnorton | June 23, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The previous match record at a major in the open era was about 6 hrs 30 minutes at the French Open in '04.

This one's near 9 hours.

Posted by: MsJS | June 23, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Haig just died back in Feb.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 23, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

9 hours and counting on the tennis match. 52-52 in the fifth set with Isner serving. He held, has served 93 aces. Now 53-52. Both guys are sleep walking.

Posted by: kguy1 | June 23, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"not mentioning Al Haig to shrink"

Exactly, exhibit A. You even imagine you are "in charge" and you get your head pinched off. I like it that way.

Salazar has been mentioned again.
He is another disgrace to the Obama administration. I was ranting about him needing to go at the first "boot on the neck" remark, when it was plain as day whose boot was on whose neck and what the Unified Command stood for.


Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

What do you want to bet that Wimbledon goes to a 5th set tiebreak next year? Or a mercy rule, with a coin-toss or dice throw to decide.

Glad McChrystal got the boot.

Posted by: seasea1 | June 23, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Yoki makes a great point. The cap, per say, hasn't been damaged. It just needs to be, I guess, cleaned up and replaced.

It isn't clear to me, though, if the equipment needed to redo this process is still at the site.

I have no doubt we will be hearing more of this.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 23, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Although I still think we need to keep an eye on them robots.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 23, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Although I still think we need to keep an eye on them robots.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 23, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, I have torn the dashboard of my car apart, covered every little opening with wire mesh and ShooGoo...I still cant eradicate the mice that have decided they own my car. Glue boards don't work. They are willing to die.

I trap them, poison them and still, just yesterday I heard the telltale sound of a mouse tail, tapping around in the centrifuge, like a baseball card in bicycle wheel spokes, having fallen into the fan.

It is amazing, at at my glorious and exalted stage in life, I have sailed the oceans, I have flown helicopters for hundreds of hours in terrible conditions, I survived medical training, made money...I am NOT in charge. In spite of my best effort, I still had to pull off the freeway, go around to the passenger side and get down, reach way in there and pull a spun dead mouse out of the carousel, lest he too begin to stink.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, that's where I hid the cheese. In shrink's car!

Posted by: MsJS | June 23, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Plain as day whose boot was on whose neck and in which crisis? Which turnover of supposed power when?

How many frackin' blowouts, quakes and shake-ups do we really need in one day, and why can't we just enjoy a win in a soccer match for once? Or a cool breeze?

Posted by: talitha1 | June 23, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

MsJS, have they said what the previous record was for number of games in a set, regardless of time?

Posted by: -bia- | June 23, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The unfocused offshore moratorium is not the best idea, either. Assuming the judge's ruling will be turned moot somehow, some rapid new safety regs need to be issued. The companies should be told as soon as they meet these regs, they may proceed: it would be up to them how fast they want to get in gear. I would propose double shear rams in all cases, maybe even multiple pipe rams, changes in cementing procedures, and certain other precautions not related to the current spill but critical to prevent other causes of loss of well control. In any case, I do think that within 60 hours a team of some more expert than me could come up with some comprehensive yet practical and reasonably expensive new rules.

At one point years ago I worked for an engineer offshore who told me he always used multiple (redundant) ram stacks offshore. It was a given in his mind. Somehow the bean-counters must have whittled away at this practice.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 23, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Play at Wimbledon will be suspended in about 45 minutes due to darkness. Any bets on whether the Mahut-Isner match will extend into a third day?

Posted by: MsJS | June 23, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Never mind, I found my lace fan and ask your forgiveness for my untoward pique.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Isner looks dead on his feet. I'm betting he'll double fault the match away.

Posted by: kguy1 | June 23, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Watching live (I think) the match at Wimbledon is 58-all. Simply incredible!

Posted by: -ftb- | June 23, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

kguy, Isner's looked dead on his feet for about 4 hours. I've been thinking Mahut will pull it out for about 3. Amazing that they're both standing.

58-57, Isner. Still on serve.

Posted by: MsJS | June 23, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Alarums and calamities. Careful, earthquake people.

It does sound like the vent closing, valve trouble is not due to negligence. Still, it is a mess on many levels. RD, I don't worry so much about the robot uprising, unless they are being guided by the giant reptile or crustacean which may be disturbed by all this.Then we're in trouble.

One is tempted to ask www999 if he thinks they haven't been trying to stop the leak to date, and what his solution is, and why it hasn't yet been tried. I suspect, however, that the provided link would lead to some answer to these questions, and frankly I don't want to look. The current train wreck is bad enough.

I think the tennis match shows the wisdom of the World Cup allowing ties. Or of instituting tiebreakers. At some point they should both be awarded endurance medals and allowed to leave the court.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 23, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"The unfocused offshore moratorium is not the best idea, either."

Though I wish the judge, heavily invested in the industry had recused himself, I agree. It is political backing and filling nigh on the administration's proposal to open new areas to drilling before the disaster. Your proposal makes good sense.

MsJS, I thought it might be you, all the clues pointed in your direction and now, the truth, THE TRUTH comes out! I'll get you for this...twisting tip of waxed mustache, one eyebrow tented, the other, occluding

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Also, thank you to Joel for the swift and incisive reporting. Once again I am in danger of taking for granted your ability to objectively shape and present the story so I understand it, even though I have no pointy-head gene.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 23, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Wimbledon is the only tournament that doesn't use tie breakers for the final set correct? Nice in theory but when they go this long - not so much.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 23, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

There are some theories that there is a huge undersea methane dome, with pressures up to 100,000 psi. A pressure that is well nigh uncontrollable. Notice that the "bump" is just a Theory. It could be the methane pressure is simply overcoming everything. Some geologists advised against drilling in that area due to instability and the immense methane dome. The oil is 40% methane when it is normally 3%. This certainly explains the "kicks" which made the well so hard to control, and which BP was aware of. Still, they went on the cheap in every instance, killing recommended safety measures to save a buck. They ain't saving a buck now - penny wise and dollar foolish.

Posted by: cybervigilante | June 23, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Game was suspended at 59-all.

Posted by: -ftb- | June 23, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

//MsJS, I thought it might be you, all the clues pointed in your//

guess you'd better get the fish out of his safety deposit box before it defrosts, MsJS.

Posted by: -dbG- | June 23, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Ready to fax out Cajun catfish tacos for lunch. Tzadsiki or mango salsa on the side.

This morning when I watered the gardens, wasps (ack) and butterflies appeared. While the wasps hovered, the butterflies landed on the damp soil and remained there for 5 minutes. Charming.

Al Haig still alive?

Posted by: -dbG- | June 23, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

*heh heh heh*

Not his safety deposit box, dbG. Someone else's.

*rolling away whistling in a faux-innocent manner*

Posted by: MsJS | June 23, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

That was bizarre. I posted the fish post, got a movable type error, then it reposted my last one too.

MsJS, more of your mischief?

Posted by: -dbG- | June 23, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

RIP Al Haig 02/20/2010

and Generalissimo Francisco Franco... is still dead.

Posted by: kguy1 | June 23, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

My awesome impish powers do not extend into the internet, save for the occasional video short.

Posted by: MsJS | June 23, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/

Looks like there was a bit of damage from the quake. I suspect there's a bunch of collapsed chimneys and maybe some cracked masonry. No landslides, I hope.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | June 23, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The cap being dislodged is indeed serious and we are quite concerned about this new development. We at GulfofMexicoHealth.com are working around the clock to provide official medical alerts and health warnings. If you have questions regarding exposure to benzene, and other chemicals associated with petroleum and clean up efforts please do check in with us. We also keep the public informed on trajectory maps, EPA monitoring stations, air readings, etc.

Posted by: DianeMichel | June 23, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

No damage here at the Denizen's vast estate. The bear-damaged tall birdfeeder standing on the ledge of a table didn't even fell down.
A couple of small places (Bowman, Val-des-Bois, Gracefield) near the epicenter suffered some damages. A couple of roads near riverbanks were washed out, the church in Gracefield lost a part of a wall and the belltower is leaning. Public service announcement: the bingo is Gracefield is cancelled because of a crack that appeared in one wall of the community center.

Some moronic managers evacuated their building, creating a huge traffic jam at 15:00. *sigh*

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 23, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for the update, shriek. I'm glad the damage has been minimal.

Posted by: MsJS | June 23, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, you need a cat to ride shotgun. Or an insane Yorkie (also doubles as a car guard). Your choice.

You could even supersize your sidekick: Wilbrodog got rid of a mouse for me once-- it was weeks before I realized the smell had gone out of the apartment. One chomp, washed down with peanut butter bait and he was done.

On a separate note, I'm now jotting down never to buy an used car from any psychiatrist, even after a thorough PET scan. Mice somehow seem the least of all potential dangers lurking in such a vehicle.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 23, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm not insane!

Posted by: Yoki | June 23, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Yorkie, Yoki.
As estimable as your skills with sharks are, I would never send you after mice, dear.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 23, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Big mousetrap for hire:
Will travel for pets, soft bed
and a ton of steak.
-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 23, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

There are many ways
to skin a mousetrap; beware
of bells in your steak.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | June 23, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

We had to forgo steaks on the grill tonight as we have more wind and hail laden t-storms blowing through.

Am powering down for the evening in a few minutes. Take care, everyone!

Posted by: MsJS | June 23, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the ambulance chasers can make a buck representing all the wackos who have been driven insane by BP? cybervigilante, meet DianeMichel.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 23, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, you did not dare click on those phish links, or did you?

Cats kill nesting riparian birds at a ferocious rate, no cats here, un-belled cats are not for Audubon people.

Plus, I couldn't really lock the cat in the car every night, could I? This never happened before. My wife has a nearly identical car and they have not adopted hers. This is why I think something akin to MsJS taunt happened. A bag of bird food, or dog food or something spilled. Something made them decide they were not leaving, no matter what. I even tried those ultrasonic things, credulous fool that I am.

Like other asymmetrical conflicts, they are taking terrible losses but they are winning the war. I have not lost any lives, but my car is a shambles and various electrical things don't work.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I update my virus protection regularly. I think that was more what it was rather than ambulance chasing. Hard to say what's behind the mask, though. I wouldn't advise it, anyhow.

Looks like they are getting ready to put the hat back on.

Maybe I'm being too hard on what may be a young'un. On the internet, no one knows I'm a dog.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 23, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

..That's cuz you ain't one.
Being a dog bites to the bone
of your soul and thoughts.

-Wilbrodog-


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 23, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Good article on the differences in the banking and housing sectors between our two countries.

I am sorry I have nothing on the spill, only so many times you can sigh, saw the pictures of Pensacola beach today with considerable oil on the beautiful white beach.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/23/AR2010062304024.html?nav=rss_email/components

Posted by: dmd3 | June 23, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Even as talitha was briefly bumming about not being able to enjoy the day as people were compiling bad news, before she found her fan, an amazing thing happened here I've never seen before.

Three turkey hens with at least two dozen poults swarming behind came marching up the driveway to my house, which is in a copse. I couldn't guess why, until I saw the bird dog, pointing them from a distance, out in the field.

When the whole show saw me coming 'round the bend, yakking on the phone to my work, the dog broke and they all flew into the trees, wizzing past me, over and around, truly a kerfluffle. I put the dog in, and watched.

A few minutes later, surely on a cue, the whole flock fell out of various trees in a step glide, collected up and marched away they had come, a few molting feathers lighter. What a scene. Flying turkeys are huge. Biggest flying bird I have ever seen up close, there being no Condors here.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

State-Fed acrimony on those Louisiana sand berms:
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/06/state_urges_federal_government.html

Sorry to see that my guess of cracked masonry in Ontario proved correct.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | June 23, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Strasmas wasn't quite the party this time around. Oh, Strasburg was still very good -- 6 IP, 9 K (41 for his first four starts, another record), ZERO walks, 95 pitches (75 strikes!), 9 hits and 1 run -- but the Nats couldn't put anything across home plate. *shrug*

The Match That Wouldn't Die at Wimbledon is just ridiculous!

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 23, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Anytime you have mankind encroaching on natural environments, permanent and irreversible damage to those eco-systems will occur.

There is no doubt that BP intentionally ignored the red warning flags prior to the Deep Water Horizon explosion, just as they did with the last two “accidents” they had. BP’s “intentional” neglect, apathy, greed and soulless reactions to the horrific destruction and death of these pristine eco-systems, wildlife and way of life is indefensible. Also, their obvious lack of having an effective emergency containment response has been proven with each of their failed attempts.

With BP’s latest catastrophic debacle, why the hell are we allowing them to maintain control over the containment and clean-up efforts? With all of their inept and continual failures, why doesn’t Obama fire BP and replace them with our engineers, oil experts and scientists before BP does any more damage? Bring in our military with their submersibles. Stop using disbursements and deploy supertankers to skim the surface oil. Of course, BP will remain fiscally responsible, but they will work under our supervision. Obama should also demand the immediate cessation of operations on BP’s largest oil rig, the Atlantis.

It is truly unfortunate that a disaster of this magnitude has to occur before we open our eyes to the catastrophic destruction that can take place through mankind’s intentional neglect and greed.

Posted by: fiandox | June 23, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Good grief, mouse 6 bit the dust. Will there be an end to it?

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 23, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Sure the Beltway Boodleklatura will despise me for this, but a team like my Red Sox could really use a pitcher like Strasburg. Losing a one hitter to a tomato can, sheesh. Hope he doesn't get depressed, what has he got, a six year sentence?

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Oulette's Higg's boson story:
http://news.discovery.com/space/the-higgs-boson-may-have-five-faces.html

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 23, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

SCC 1-0 to a tomato can, not a one hitter.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Just sit to watch SYTYCD and what happens, severe weather/Tornado warnings scrolling across the screen - think it is still a ways away from from us - what a day.

Good thing I have a great sense of humur.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 23, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Yep, fire BP and stop using disbursements. That's the trick!

Posted by: talitha1 | June 23, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

The insane Yoki came for it, Jumper. And they said I'd never catch mice!

Posted by: Yoki | June 23, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Sorry boodlers. I should know better than to read posts from . . . . . ?

Posted by: talitha1 | June 23, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

That was frustrating to watch, ScottyNuke. Strasburg is fun to watch, and a loss by 1 run is less embarrassing than a loss by 8 runs - but it's still a loss.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 23, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I just checked that live feed and it looks like they have put the cap back on. Which isn't to say they are capturing oil again, but it's better than seeing that open gusher.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 23, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, turkeys are awesome to watch. When we moved into our place 5 years ago, there was a group of turkeys (14 in all... 4 hens) that came into our yard like clockwork every day. They marched down our driveway, picking at the ground. They would eventually walk between the house and the detached garage and up the incline to our elevated back yard. They'd pick in the yard and then one by one would get a running start and jump off the retaining wall, getting airborne and fly to various trees in the front yard, where they would roost for the night.

It was like they knew exactly where there was a two-tiered yard that they could use like an aircraft carrier.

Every evening at about 7 they'd do the same thing. 3 months straight.

The following summer there were only two hens. They'd come down the driveway, then onto the back yard. They changed their plan. They'd hop onto the deck railing, then jump up onto the roof of the house. From there they'd fly into the trees.

They were almost like pets. We loved every minute of it.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 23, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

All wrong of me and those evil others what brainwashed me, Yoki. I thought it'd be beneath your dignity to go mouse-chasing.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 23, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Location, location, location...

Wow, 75 of his 95 pitches were strikes, maybe he love you long time.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Ovechkin the players' favorite too, hello, you've got stars.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Hahahahaha! Dignity? I'm goofy. You know that. I'm pretty much a Lab/Underachiever cross with fashion sense.

Posted by: Yoki | June 23, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

steveb, you are in Vermont or NH?

I think turkeys were introduced to the PacNW, like huns and pheasants. Not sure about that though. The California Quail are as funny, with their little party hats, they march in speedy martial lines and I've seen it many times, when up front one stops short for a tidbit, two or three will pile into each other farther behind, not noticing that the light had changed.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Just watched the 2 minute highlight reels from todays WC matches. I think the Slovenian keeper made about 6 electric saves. What an effort.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 23, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I get to seeturkey vultures, not wild turkeys.

I'm envious; my last birdwatching thrill was seeing a quail in a field not far from home.


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 23, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

You know, nothing ever happens until I take a day off and spend it with granddaughters. Very glad that dmd and shriek are okay, just don't associate earthquakes with Ontario for some reason. Thought Obama headed off the critics by appointing Petraeus, very shrewd move. He was also probably the only person qualified. Depressing that the darn well is uncapped again.

On a happier note, it was the girls last day of school so I decided that instead of lunch, we'd go out for ice cream. A trip to the library to sign up for summer reading followed and the director showed us the first signer upper - a huge turtle that he had rescued from the street. Later the girls were watching something on the Disney channel and when I asked who the guys were, they told me it was the Jonas Bros. I asked if they liked them and the 11 year old said, "no, we watch to mock". Love it. The nine year old volunteered that Beiber was a 'mop head' - she doesn't like him. I feel so proud to have two granddaughters with good taste!

Posted by: badsneakers | June 23, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday two pileated woodpeckers were in my yard after the suet. Never get tired of seeing them.

Woo hoo - got the last two households in my are counted today! Actually recounted - somehow the office lost the original questionnaires. 19 people - finis. I hope.

Posted by: seasea1 | June 23, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Some girls I know are mighty lucky to have you, sneaks, and mighty smart in their own right, too.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 23, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

badsneakers, hope you don't mind, earlier I volunteered old sneaks for a junk shot that never was; gotta plug the hole you know. I figured a heapin' helpin' of half melted together hunks of compressed platics bags, mixed with crushed footballs and lots of bad sneakers could plug up anything.

Congratulations on the granddaughters' taste, just enough deviance is the tough row to hoe.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, I am in NH. The turkey population goes up and down around here. They have steered clear of our yard for the last couple years, but we see various broods of them in the neighborhood. Funny thing is I have seen probably 500 turkeys in the 5 years here, but never a mature male.

From what I hear, that is probably best.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 23, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I think I am developing a spider sense regarding the grape vines. We were going to be away last weekend, and as I was packing the car I looked at the trellis. Lush, green, leafy. Uh oh. At the last minute I ran and sprayed everything with pepper wax.

When I returned on Sunday there were probably 25 spots all along the trellis where the end of a cane was nibbled or a leaf was chewed off. No major damage, but our friends the deer had come by for a snack.

Looks like they chewed and figured "Hey, this stuff tastes bad. Maybe I'll try a nip down here. Nope. Still bad."

In your face, deer. I hope you got bellyaches and have long memories.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 23, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

sneaks, I am smiling my 9 year old has similar thoughts about the Jonas Bros and Beiber

Actually, this I learned today, the Ottawa area where Shriek is is the most active earthquake area in the nation, just mostly small ones. They had one when I like there as well, not as strong as this one though. It was very noticable here, 500 km away so must have been quite scary in Ottawa. Also learned that the deeper the quake the larger the area that will feel the quake - this one I think they said was at 19 km deep.

The G&M had a geology professor do a live chat and he was a great source of info - also mentions that some of the areas in the Ottawa/Quebec border are prone to accumulation (similar to liquifaction?).

I know snowstorms - earthquakes not so much.

Possible tornado a couple hours north of here, about towards the area where the G8 will be. Just southeast.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 23, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

shrink2, turkeys (the wild native birds) are indeed spectacular. Even some of the wild-looking sort-of-domestic ones, which make much more impressive estate ornaments than peacocks.

Ottawa area interactive quake map (most of the activity, as I should have noticed, is in Quebec):
http://ottawacitizennews.com/quakes/

Turns out Ottawa's at an old rift valley (graben).

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | June 23, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Nice DotC, that the university I went that worked in conjunction with the NRC to produce that map.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 23, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Parkinson's & algorithmic sensibility.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/06/ff_sergeys_search/all/1

Posted by: -dbG- | June 23, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

It was nice to discuss geology today in the office. It's not every day that you can introduce the Ottawa-Bonnechère graben in watercooler conversations. Together with the St-Lawrence and Saguenay grabens the O-B graben were formerly known as Logan's fault, named for Logan the founder of the Geological survey of Canada.
Mrs. D felt the eartquake from a concrete slab poured right on the ground and she had the best experience. I felt the structural response of our very tall (29 floors) building to the earthquake. It was a rather jerky up and down movement, not wavy as earthquake usually are. Then the building swung a bit but not even as much as during high winds. The Fungi got a few overtime hours out of it to replaces boxes and shampoo bottles on the shelves of the drugstore he works at. The picture frames were not even askew at our house.
I hope Stasburg won't develop Steve Rogers syndrome. The Spo's weren't scoring half as much points when he was on the mound. But he was a slow and VERY peculiar pitcher. Old coach Dave Williams hated him. As far as I know Stevo was the only fully qualified petroleum engineer to pitch in pro baseball.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 23, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I would note that Robin Givhan uses "semiotics" in her pan of a book which someone referred to earlier:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/22/AR2010062204355.html?hpid=sec-artsliving

Posted by: seasea1 | June 23, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

seasea, I had a pileated woodpecker on the deck of my previous house one time. I was in awe of how large they are. You are lucky to have them.

Shrink, I never take offense unless I'm sure it was meant, so no harm done. Have you tried calling Click and Clack (Cartalk guys) or maybe check out their website? I'm sure they've dealt with the mice in the car thing at some point.

As the granddaughters grow up, I am often astounded by their insight and especially the older one's skepticism. Of course the rest of the time they are just 'little kids', which is charming in its own way.

Posted by: badsneakers | June 23, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"...the rest of the time they are just 'little kids', which is charming in its own way..." Gosh do I hope so.

If we are not charmed by children, we might be geezers, or curmudgeons (no not the ones with numbers after their monikers, real, crusty curmudgeons, cultured then distilled misanthropes), or worse.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Good idea, sneaks.

Made me think of this (duh):
http://www.bing.com/search?q=how+to+get+mice+out+of+your+car&form=DLCDF8&pc=MDDC&src=IE-SearchBox

Posted by: -dbG- | June 23, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

dmd, regarding that map: near Ottawa the Mattawa Fault, that is the northern ridge of the O-B graben, is also the Eardley escarpment. It provides spectacular views of the Ottawa river valley. Transverse cracks to the Mattawa fault provide the seismic activity. This is what they were teaching us 25 years ago anyway.
An exemple of the view,
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1202496404057430304YOsMkT

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 23, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Factoid that may interest only me: if you are in Quebec City on the petit Champlain street you stand on the proto-Appalachian part of the St-Lawrence graben. Walk up the côte de la Montagne or climb the escalier casse-cou (and the remaining part of the côte de la M) and you are on the other side of the graben, in Canadian Shield territory.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 23, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

It just came to me that James Wolfe was a trans-graben conqueror. I bet old Jimmy didn't knew that.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 23, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Once had a romantic fall picnic in that area (I think that area) - Gatineau Park.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 23, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

On the neverending tennis match - the US Open is the only grand slam that uses a tiebreaker for the 5th set. Andy Roddick played a very long 5th set in the Australian Open a few years ago, and I read somewhere that a 5th set in the French Open was the previous record holder for time or games (or both). Last year's Wimbledon final had a long 5th set which Federer finally won.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/23/AR2010062303355.html

Posted by: seasea1 | June 23, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

What the...fu

"Harris relies heavily on the semiotics of stuff: Oddly placed details about the merchandise people consume stand in for character development. "While he was far more Internet savvy than most of his colleagues who relied on secretaries, Father was old school when it came to the newspapers. He had to read them in his kitchen every morning. Though he had stainless steel appliances and every modern convenience, he said a successful man stuck to certain habits to anchor his day." Rarely have refrigerators and dishwashers been put to such symbolic use."

ck! Appliance semiotics. This is the post-postmodern disaster.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

The shots were from the Champlain belvedere, as far as I can tell. Been there often enough to have a clue, for a change.

The Very Large Puppy is a position of Apprehended Thunderstorm: under the table and on my feet. The darn thing is heavy and hot.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 23, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Fowler's "Empires at War" indicated that Wolfe's attack on Québec should never have succeeded. Montcalm's defenders scurried out through the gate to attack the British in an open field, just as the defenders of Panamá had done when Morgan's sick, exhausted buccaneers showed up.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | June 23, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I lived in Neugraben, near Harburg, which is near Hamburg, for awhile. If you walked a ways, up on a ridge, you could see American tanks, far away practicing tactics in the Lüneburger Heide. One evening my girlfriend and I hiked all the way down (the graben?) and found weirdly asiatic looking, painted on sheet metal target figures, with lots of bullet dents, down there in the woods.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

For the last 10 years of the French regime the Métropole refused to strengthen the colony militarily. The writing was thus on the wall. A little earlier, a little later, this is what it came to. A stategic decision had been made in Paris and the rest is history.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 23, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Appliance semiotics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc5D6qxAGpo

And the use of consumer products to define a character was used by Bret Easton Ellis in 'American Psycho':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46-WNPlCYsg

Posted by: yellojkt | June 23, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Keep an eye Shriek, the pictures from Midland are not great. Friend just posted that Windsor area is under a warning for a tornado.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 23, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget John (now Jan) Morris's Banners of Empire.

Posted by: Yoki | June 23, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

It is done. #1 is on the airplane to Australia to live there for at least four years. I doubt, very much, that she'll live in Canada again any time soon.

I'm fine, really. *Really.* (Not really, right now, but soon.)

So joyful. That Himself and I raised a young woman who will take great risks with confidence.

Posted by: Yoki | June 23, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Hugs Yoki, for a job well done.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 23, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

dmd, my 135 lbs barometer is sticking close to me.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 23, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

thanks, dmd.

Posted by: Yoki | June 23, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Australia isn't that far. And there is Hawaii in between. Not a bad pit stop.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 23, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

No it isn't; it is that the separation is further than Australia.

Posted by: Yoki | June 23, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

oh well, I'm not there yet but it will come. Witch no.1 one comes back from her 6 weeks trip in Ag-Ch next week, I doubt she'll be content with a life in the old capital.

There are real thunderclaps right now. I'm wearing the VLP. Hot and smelly.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 23, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Godspeed Yoki's big girl.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 23, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Fireworks for the St-Jean Baptiste. The VLP isn't very patriotic right now.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 23, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm trying so hard not to toss out some sexually charged applicance symbolism here right now in between snickers.

Consider: a kitchen may be said to traditionally be the woman's place, and there are many somewhat vulgar expressions connecting cooking or kitchen stuff to sex, pregnancy, etc. (Not that I endorse this. In fact, I fully endorse men's right to cook.)

So I'm cracking up at the butchering of what could have become, in the hands of a gifted writer, a very satrical symbolism of heterosexuality.

Still, I think this is not the place to have any sort of contest to rewrite applicance semiotics in a digestible manner. Things could get too smokin' hot in short order from all the grease involved.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 23, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Yoki. Congratulations on the child-launch, but 4 years is such a big commitment. Hope she manages the bumps of culture shock and homesickness to flourish. Just remember, with phone and the internet, she should be able to stay in contact.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 24, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lG3nXyI41M

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 24, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

These are unprecedented times. Keeping head down and working as hard as possible to keep depression at bay. Thank God they got the cap secured...again.

But incompetence rules.

Posted by: Windy3 | June 24, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Shrieking, Dogs so rarely are patriotic when fireworks figure in, although Wilbrodog enjoys sitting out with us to watch fireworks from a distance.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 24, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Children don't call, they text.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 24, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

On a brighter note I broke down and bought a Nook. I love it. Downloads TWP and other papers daily. Books are much cheaper. Easily fits in my purse for my plane rides. And I got a Kate Spade hot pink leather binder for it.

It's the little things, ya know.

Also, went to the San Diego fair tonight and saw a bunch of cool rabbits. Thought of you, Ivansmom.

This is my last night in San Diego!!! Off to a new assignment in two weeks to New York!!!

Posted by: Windy3 | June 24, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, I hope you're entitled to drop in on #1.

Six months ago, I ordered 'Australian Palms: Biogeography, Ecology and Systematics.' I've even thumbed through the author's own copy while telling him how much I liked the layout. It's finally in the mail from the Huge Book Seller. So I've just gotta contrive to visit Townsville sometime.

Dr. Rob Brander's 'The Essential Beach Book; everything you wanted to know about surf, sand and rips' is scheduled to appear in October. Beaches seem definitely to be a Big Deal.

Tim Flannery has the mammals covered, and to some extent the human impact on Australia ('The Future Eaters')

Then there's Murray Bail's 'Eucalyptus: A Novel'. It was to have been a Russell Crowe movie.


Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | June 24, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

For a novel that's NOT about Australia, "The Last Continent" by Terry Pratchett.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 24, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Drill baby drill ! No regulation , no rules , no over sight ! Let corporations police themselves and make their own rules , government stay out of it ! The economic melt down of not only the USA but the entire world and now the biggest environmental disaster in US history still on going and in progress ? Hey ! No big deal ! Drill baby drill ! NO government regulation or oversight ! Let the free market work ! Let them police themselves and make their own rules ! Yeah baby !Government is baaaaaaaaaaad ! Trust BP and the corporations , trust Wall Street !

Posted by: Koom | June 24, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Careful, Koom, your head will explode if you don't chill occasionally. I know mine almost has.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 24, 2010 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Yoki,
It's not losing a child, it's an excuse to go to Australia.

And a comic for Dear Child:

http://comics.com/grand_avenue/2010-06-24/

Posted by: yellojkt | June 24, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

And I thought "60 Minutes" was the only hard-hitting investigative news program. As it turns out, the unknown figure at the Vatican that gave Glenn Beck the "we're all with you.... your work is so important.... keep it up" speech a while back? The one that inspired him to have his own civil rights march on Washington at the same location and on the same date as MLK?

Father Guido Sarducci. Great investigative piece, and exclusive interview, Stephen Colbert.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 24, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Morning, all. Ham biscuits and appropriate beverages on the ready room table, to hold us over till MsJS arrives.

Hey Cassandra! Are you staying cool? Yesterday, the load management software kicked in and the house was hot when Mr. T got home. I'm not sure it's worth the small discount on the electric bill ($5 maybe?) for that to happen.

Yoki, I'll go to Australia with you, anytime. Just let me know!

Posted by: slyness | June 24, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Wow, steveboyington. Guido Sarducci does Lazlo Toth.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 24, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't the cap look a little off-kilter on that video?

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 24, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

SteveB, that Colbert bit with Father Sarducci was priceless. It was wonderful to see the good Father again.

Yoki, my sympathies on your daughter's great distance, but do plan to go see her.

Hot day coming but nice breeze this morning.

Posted by: badsneakers | June 24, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Australia! Australia! Australia!
This is the wattle,
Emblem of our land.
You can put it in a bottle,
or hold it in your hand.

Amen.


Best of luck to your daughter Bruce, Yoki.

Posted by: byoolin1 | June 24, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

good morning boodle!

Yoki-congratulations on a successful launch.

Windy-I've read more, and particularly more fiction, since getting my Nook a few months ago than I did in the last two years combined. Love it!

Here in MN we are contemplating the fate of our loons (not Bachmann and her ilk, the state bird type loons). This fall they will head south to the Gulf and many, perhaps most, won't make it back next spring. Consoling myself with the thought bears don't migrate.

Lemon poppyseed muffins will be out of the oven in 20 min. for boodlers who have time to linger this morning.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 24, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I went to bed just before Colbert introduced Sarducci, darn would have loved seeing that, will have to watch the video tonight.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 24, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Well done indeed, Yoki! *much applause whilst watching NukeSpawn studiously ignoring anything resembling a ringing phone as she occupies one of the admin's desks*

shrink, as a Sawx fan I'm heartily enjoying Strasburg -- in the National League. *L* If by some miracle the Nats join the Sawx in the playoffs, I may have to clone myself in order to cheer properly.

Hmmmm... Jack Abramoff now serving pizza instead of jail time:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/us/24abramoff.html

*rediscovering-how-annoying-even-a-tiny-smidgen-of-poison-ivy-can-be Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 24, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

'mornin. Beautiful night. We sleep on the deck on an old Queen mattress on nights when it does not rain. The kids don't like a whole lot of hugs and mushy stuff by day, but at night, under the stars, they are squished against me so tightly on either side it is like a Houdini act getting up before they do. So lets see what the East Coasties are doing...

"If by some miracle the Nats join the Sawx in the playoffs..." and pigs fly, then BP will clean up every drop. But seriously, on the poison ivy front, the lidocaine gels sold for sunburn help a lot for the burning sensation.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 24, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

As I said yesterday, shrink, I suffer from relentless optimism... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 24, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

And isn't that a good thing.

I just showed this to my wife and she barely smiled. She needs to finish that first cup of Peet's Toraja* before she gets her sense of humor booted up I guess.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6214655.stm

*a sublime cup, many Oregonians took Seattle's cue and have become insufferable coffee snobs, when I visit my mom in Woods Hole and she buys "fresh ground" Dunkin' Donuts, just for me, I only appreciate the effort.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 24, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Доброе утро, Будлерс! :)

Hehe, recently discovered I could turn my computer into a multilingual wonder at no cost.

Watching the Boodle´s six o'clock:
What has led Gen McCrystal and his accomplices to commit such stupid indiscretions?

Was he led to believe the RS article would have a different angle? Has the author weaseled his way into the general´s inner circle to perform a political assassination?

Dance of the Generals is the next chapter of Obama's Eternal War.

Brag

Posted by: Braguine | June 24, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Here you go Scotty, from the NYT anosognosia series...you are optimistic for good reason, it turns out.


ERROL MORRIS: ...Do we live in a cloud of belief that is separate from the reality of our circumstances?

V.S. RAMACHANDRAN: Absolutely, and overall, fortunately, it’s a positive cloud in most of us. If we knew about the real facts and statistics of mortality, we’d be terrified.

ERROL MORRIS: Indeed.

V.S. RAMACHANDRAN: It may well be our brains are wired up to be slightly more optimistic than they should be.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 24, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"Was he led to believe the RS article would have a different angle? Has the author weaseled his way into the general´s inner circle to perform a political assassination?"
From what I know of McChrystal, after traveling in the same circles for a very long time (we've met but never talked about anything substantive), I'd have to answer "no." He was just being who he is.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 24, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I have a feeling the Boodle might conclude it's a lack of brain wiring in my case, shrink... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 24, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Good morning all.

YJ, funny. Yesterday, I looked out the back window in time to see her flying down the street on her friend's bike. She thought just hers was off-limits.

Yoki, You Done Good. Congrats.

Posted by: LostInThought | June 24, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

*faxin' LiT an economy-size roll of bubble wrap for DC's arm* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 24, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Frosty,
Most interesting comment. Since the results of the article were never in doubt, it looks then like RS laid a trip wire.

Ignacious quickly stepped in as cheer leader for Petreous.

Meanwhile,the great strategy of fighting a war in Afghanistan against an enemy who is reported in Pakistan would make Clausevitz turn in his grave.

Brag

Posted by: Braguine | June 24, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all.

Warm muffins and banana bread, coffee and RRGJ on the table.

Mahut-Isner resumes at 10:30 EDT. And the Queen is at Wimbledon today. Kinda wish I was as well, just for the fun of it.

Lots of rain here last night. We didn't lose power this time, but the local electric utility will be very busy restoring power elsewhere.

I'm feeling quite vigorous today, so I'm off to get some stuff done. Back in a bit.

Posted by: MsJS | June 24, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I have never been a big fan of the Queen, but good for her for attending today and honour those two gentleman deserve. She hasn't gone in 33 years.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 24, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Brag-even without the quotes directly from McChrystal, I believe he deserved the sacking for the environment he created among his subordinates. Even though I honestly share his assessment of Eikenberry (who I know better than McChrystal)were I in his position neither RS nor those who worked for me would know it-either from my words or actions. McChrystal violated the "quiet professional" ethos of his SOF background. The presence of a reporter, with or without a hidden agenda, should not have yielded such a goat rope.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 24, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Thinking about your RS laid a trip wire idea Brag. I wonder if McC fired himself as his way of letting everyone know this war was lost? If he just quit, he would have been disrespected by everyone. As it is, everyone is going to look very carefully at what he said and what it all means.

Now, hopefully, Petra. will extract us from AfPak just as he did from Iraq, just keep declaring victory and leave, get out, cut and run, I don't care what you call it. If you can't kill your way to victory, you aren't fighting a war anyway. So then, what is it? Winning hearts and minds? Our guys are not allowed to fire illumination flares at night because the falling cannister might hurt somebody.

Problem is, ever since people on the right, from George Will to Michael Savage came out against Obama's AfPak war strategy, the liberal center has been in the peculiar position of shouting down people on the left who have been opposed to American boots on the ground in that region since Rumsfeld's Tora Bora debacle.

I say you can support Obama (I've never voted for a Republican and I imagine I never will) and be totally opposed to his AfPak strategy, just as I have been opposed to various other decisions he and his administration have taken. Obama's he-can-do-no-wrong supporters must not fall into that Bush/Cheney protocol, declaring all opposition illegitimate, duped by or closeted Republicans, naive/ignorant of the facts, un-American and even treasonous.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 24, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

No mention of the Queen as the match recommences...

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 24, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Ooooh, this is a nice touch, via NYT blog:

"If Isner and Mahut complete their match without breaking the scoreboard again, a mild surprise awaits them.

Tony Adamson, the All England Club's public address announcer, will introduce a club official to present the two players and the chair umpire Mohammed Lahyani with a trophy-style bowl to commemorate their roles in the longest recorded match in tennis history."

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 24, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

This tennis match is unbelievable, I'm tired just watching them. I have things to do but can't not watch this match.

Shrink, I like what you said about supporting Obama.

Frosti, I'm glad we have your informed input on the military.

Posted by: badsneakers | June 24, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Here you go, I would hope she somehow greets or watches the two men in the marathon.

http://www.tsn.ca/tennis/story/?id=325540

Posted by: dmd3 | June 24, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Tied, 63-63. Astounding.

Posted by: bobsewell | June 24, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

They're up to 63-all.

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 24, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, Excellent! and missing someone is the mixed emotion of the day.

windy, frosti, go ahead. Parade the Nook in front of me. I'll be fine. The Kate Spade hot pink cover, that's just cruel and totally out-W00ts! me. :) Windy, I've considered the consulting you do, the very thought wears me out.

The kitchen is really hot. I'm baking cupcakes for a children's group I contribute to (their camp week ends tomorrow), and my gas oven doesn't always like the window air-conditioner. 8 dozen, half chocolate, half vanilla, next to last batch in the oven. I usually make fondant or buttercream frosting, but since they'll be outside and unrefrigerated, I was thinking glaze icing with jimmies. Other suggestions welcome.

I sometimes think optimism is an act of self love (yeah, yeah, I hear the snickers :)

Posted by: -dbG- | June 24, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Do they have a mercy killing rule at Wimbledon, à la "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?"

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 24, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Howdy. Congratulations and a big hug to Yoki. The Boy and I would like to visit Australia some day. We view it as the Ultimate Land of Cool Poisonous Creatures. Watch enough alarmist nature TV and read enough kid bug books and you will too.

I am glad Obama fired McChrystal. Such poor judgment should not go unrewarded.

A special howdy to Brag, always good to have you here. Remember to post links to your latest literary installments.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 24, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

To quote Willie W.:

"The suspense is terrible... I hope it'll last."

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 24, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

So they've each won eight games since play resumed. That's a pretty long set right there. I've got no words.

Posted by: bobsewell | June 24, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

shrink-I've heard pundits suggest the "fire himself" possibility for McCh. However, though he would not have been my choice for the command in the first place, I do not think that little of him. He had a major role in planning the strategy in the first place and if he felt it needed changing, said so, and felt it wasn't going to happen could have (and probably would have) chosen "resigning in protest." The efficacy of doing so is hotly questioned, it comes up repeatedly in "Parameters" the scholarly journal of the Army War College, but is still seen as the honest way of dealing with just such a situation.

Optimism as self love? Never thought of it that way, but I know without optimism a good night's sleep would be a very difficult thing indeed.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 24, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Excerpt of Ulysses (Alfred, Lord Tennyson) for Yoki's #1

There lies the port; the vessel puffs her sail:
There gloom the dark broad seas. My mariners,
Souls that have toiled, and wrought, and thought
with me—
That ever with a frolic welcome took
The thunder and the sunshine, and opposed
Free hearts, free foreheads—you and I are old;
Old age hath yet his honour and his toil;
Death closes all: but something ere the end,
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.
The lights begin to twinkle from the rocks:
The long day wanes: the slow moon climbs: the deep
Moans round with many voices. Come, my friends,
'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
Of all the western stars, until I die.

Posted by: engelmann | June 24, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Hey, we have a winner! Isner, 70-68.

Posted by: bobsewell | June 24, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Isner just won -- 70-68!

Posted by: -ftb- | June 24, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Maybe there are people who are optimistic by nature. I think of them as the labrador retrievers of the human world :)

I'm not. But given worrying over something I can't control vs. doing all I can then expecting the best will work out, I'll almost always choose the latter. This is Seligman's Learned Optimism and I swear by it. Applying it destresses my life.

Posted by: -dbG- | June 24, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Only took 138 games... Well done to both of them!!

Oh, and New Zealand continued its surprising run with a 0-0 draw of Paraguay, but three draws are not enough to advance.

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 24, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Which of course, makes me a thoughtful lab, or a lab/shepherd mix.

Posted by: -dbG- | June 24, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

It's kind of a shame one person had to win!

Posted by: -dbG- | June 24, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Nice ceremony happening for the two players. I didn't realize how tall Isner is - geez. Over 100 aces served by both players. I really thought that Mahut was looking stronger there towards the end. Great shots, great tennis.

Posted by: badsneakers | June 24, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"I do not think that little of him"

But you said the reason he was fired was because, "He was just being who he is."

It appears we all agree he had to be fired.
But if his firing was inevitable, nothing to do with Rolling Stone, they just exposed his identity, then he was a very poor choice indeed, which brings us back to the top.

If this war is his, his plan and he said what he meant to say, that is, he had no ulterior motive, wasn't set up by RS, etc., then we might be have to conclude he is a central part of why the war is going so badly.

You are the only one who isn't deriving conclusions from a media generated fact base. I am really interested in your opinion. What do you think about him, more specifically, how his personality intersects with his capacity as a combat general in an asymmetrical war? Of course, I'll understand if you don't have the time or the inclination to get into it. Thank you in any case.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 24, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

It's official now, both finalists of the Mundial 2006 are returning home after the first round. Italy loses 3-2 to Slovakia. 3 goals, including 2 for Italy, in the last 15 minutes. Not a good year for the Big Powers of the game.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 24, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Ever since I started taking the Serenity Prayer to heart I've had a much easier time sleeping (to say nothing of how much better I feel when I'm awake).

Posted by: badsneakers | June 24, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the pome, Engelmann. That is one of my favorites. I read it often to the Boy when we did poetry before sleeping. I cry at the end every time - just a tear or two. I can't stop myself. You'd think I'd get used to it, but no.

Of course I also laugh helplessly every time I read the tweetle beetles section of Fox in Sox. You'd think I'd get used to it, but no.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 24, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

shrink-I think McCh is more than competent enough as a combatant commander in an asymmetrical war, as far as that goes. I think where his personality, and approach, did him in was in the negotiation of the tricky bits and the tension with Eikenberry and Holbrooke. In other words, he was the wrong choice for the job not because he can't lead soldiers well in this type of conflict-he certainly can-but because his observational skills when sorting the forest from the trees is not as great as some of his peers. I should note that compared to most people McCh is a man of incredible competence and integrity, but he's not working on Wall Street or any number of other places where that would make him an outlier.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 24, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

BP, for instance. :)

Posted by: -dbG- | June 24, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

That was wonderful, engelmann.

Posted by: Yoki | June 24, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

For those still interested, this Tom Ricks piece in the NYT makes a couple great points-one about McCh not being the only one who needs to go from Afghanistan, and the other about relieving people from command generally.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/opinion/24ricks.html

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 24, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon, all.

Glad we have a winner in the Nearly Infinite match on the grass (Isner's something like 6-8 or 6-9 - makes all those aces slightly less surprising), that the cap's back on, and that the Owattaquake wasn't worse. And Yoki, congrats -- it won't be easy, but I think she's living her life as you taught her to, purusing her dreams and working for them, correct? Good to see DC's right back up on the horse, LiT, even if it's sending you running down the street after her. I like the fearlessness, and consequences can be explained, I think.

Man, I gotta check out that video of Father Guido Sarducci on Colbert.

A busy day, and I hope everyone's is as wonderful as can be.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | June 24, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"...his observational skills when sorting the forest from the trees is not as great as some of his peers..."

Ah, I understand, I think. Still, what a strange method, using a magazine interview to try to score political points, as if he were running for office or an emeritus political hack like those rent-a-generals we see on cable news. I keep coming back to the same question, how could he not know that his remarks would get him fired?

If he didn't his political "observational skills" are just atrocious. But if he did, or he just didn't care, then the question of motive, conscious or unconscious is inescapable, at least it is if you see mindfulness through a psychiatric prism. Thanks again.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 24, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

It's probably also easier to get the occasional ace after you've kept your opponent on the court for several dozen games. Very clever strategy. I hope we see more of it.

Posted by: bobsewell | June 24, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Lucian Truscott IV has a nice piece about McChrystal and military leadership in the NYT. He cites McChrystal's reported comment that he would die for the men on his staff, and remarks: "General McChrystal’s statement is that of a man who is sentimental about his job, and who has confused sentimentality with command."

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 24, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I think the weirdest element of McChrystal's departure is that George Will wrote an intelligent column about the necessity of firing him, and took nary a dig at Obama in the process. Once or twice, you could tell that he thought about going that way, but he held back. It was startling -- a George Will column with which I felt complete agreement.

Chuckie the K, on the other hand, has been absent from the WaPo front page. Perhaps he has an opinion on the subject, and perhaps he has written that opinion for his column, but it has not been featured on the WaPo home page. Probably, he is waiting to gain perspective on the incident, if you define "perspective" as "figured out a way to describe it so that the fault is Obama's radical liberalism and naiveté".

Posted by: ScienceTim | June 24, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Here's the final paragraph of Truscott's essay: "After more than 30 years of nearly continuous war, every Afghan — whether Taliban or friendly — knows the lesson that Grandpa taught Lang that day. Unless we put generals in command who aren’t sentimental, generals who are willing and able to give the deadly serious orders to accomplish the mission they are given, who know that men die for a cause and not for them, we will get no respect from friend or foe in Afghanistan, and we may as well pack up our stuff and go home."

This resonates with me because my strong uninformed opinion about Afghanistan has always been that only fools try to fight a war against Afghans. This opinion is based on what little I know of history, and was reinforced by the descriptions of the Afghan fighters in "Charlie Wilson's War" (the book). I know that we have some of the Afghan people with us, but we're fighting others. History suggests the Taliban are not going to surrender to us, or even reach a meaningful lasting peace accord. I suppose the hope is that enough of the Afghans with us will eventually take the fight against their Afghan Taliban counterparts themselves, turning it into something of a civil war with us out of it.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 24, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

That Ricks article is very good, very interesting. Thanks, frostbitten, for the heads-up.
I like the last observation - that by choosing Petraeus Obama may be reinforcing a feeling (at least among us laypeople) that he's the only competent general the Army has. I'm not complaining about the choice, mind you, but it is an interesting thought.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 24, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

My $0.02 was that McChrystal had to go, primarily for allowing a culture of disloyalty and for the lack of discretion in allowing it to be so visible.

I don't really fault McChrystal for the comment seized upon by Truscott. That is a fairly common sentiment among officers in the modern era. Obviously it is not likely to come to a reality, but it is an outward expression of what is called "loyalty down" particularly in the combat arms. Society is more egalitarian and soldiers expect less distance from their leaders (which is partly why senior officers of most nationalities are now seen in combat uniform more than dress uniform). In terms of sentimental vs. unsentimental, the standard is whatever works, but the optics are not good for the Gen. Haig types nowadays.

Posted by: engelmann | June 24, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom: I think you've boiled the whole AfPak strategy down to it's core - get enough of the locals to fight their own battles, and get the h_ll out of Dodge. Maybe keep them backed up with remote drones for a while to take out hotspots. As I've said before, Afghanistan is essentially a country in name only. And nation-building is tough to do when there is essentially no allegiance to the nation.

Posted by: ebtnut | June 24, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps McC is positioning himself as a politician after his military career. Perhaps George Will lusts to vote for him.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 24, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The excellent NYT blog At War had a long comment yesterday on the value and risks associated with the so-called Counterinsurgency doctrine.
http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/rolling-stone-articles-true-focus-counterinsurgency-coin/

The father of COIN just became the boss in Afghanistan so it is not likely to be repelled anytime soon. Embedded in the posting is an opinion piece by the always good C.J. Chivers detailing how the complicated rules of engagement of COIN increase the risks to the soldiers in the field. In turns it makes the men weary of the Generals who edict those rules (are they all effing nuts in Washihgton?).

There was a story recently telling the way thugs with AK-47 at the ready expelled a western company that had the contract to provide security for a big development contract funded by Canada in Kandahar. The thugs were working for a company controlled in part at least by the local Afghan warlord who happens to be half-brother to President Karzai. It's the same company that is suspected by the US to arrange for Taliban attacks on convoys they are not paid to protect. From 2001 to 2010 Afghanistan transformed itself from a theocracy to a kleptocracy. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/afghanmission/article/820752--security-standoff-stalls-canadian-dam-project-in-kandahar

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 24, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Best twitter quake joke yet, knowing the epicenter was near the Quebec-Ontario border:
At last Quebec separates from the rest of Canada!

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 24, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I was reading the twitter quake jokes yesterday there were some good ones, love that one Shriek.

I like this joke about how well our tax dollars have been spent securing the G20.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/torontog20summit/article/823797--summit-blog-something-s-up-in-the-sky-at-the-g8#photo

Posted by: dmd3 | June 24, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, reading that profile reminded me very much of somebody I knew who was a 'Nam vet and a really loud extrovert.

As Frostbitten says, good soldier, honorable guy. Just was in the wrong job for his strengths and temperament to the degree that his natural tendency to ignore niceties for action was exposed to a huge degree.

He takes orders, of course. But when orders are unclear or he feels like he has ten bosses, what to do? He wants his way. So do we all, really.

The difference is in how well we recognize the right of others to intervene, and how to deal with inappropriate intrusions by using the chain of command (b&tching up). This skill is often specific to understanding the rules and goals of the situation, and he's not used to civilian diplomancy.

Had he had somebody else providing cover for him, or running a tight point on the diplomatic situation, he could have learned on his own (not brilliant) curve. He didn't.

In the end, we're all stuck with our own personalities and prejudices. Leadership can happen with almost any personality type, but will always be colored by natural strengths and weaknesses.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 24, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Looks like "hamburger diplomacy" is about to enter the vernacular:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/24/AR2010062402479.html

"After the meeting, Obama and Medvedev headed to Ray's Hell Burger in Arlington for a typical American lunch. A cheer went up from customers when they walked in, the Associated Press reported.

During their meal at the popular eatery, where Obama ate last year with Vice President Biden, the two men sat at a table with their interpreters, the AP said.

The U.S. president had a cheeseburger with cheddar cheese, onion, lettuce, tomato and pickles. His Russian counterpart had a cheeseburger with cheddar, onion, jalapenos and mushrooms. Obama drank ice tea, Medvedev sipped a Coke, and they split fries."

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 24, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The sentimental remark about dying for the guy under his command actually also reminded me of somebody else who was quite volatile, lied a lot, and was entirely dependent on his own public image, but one remark doesn't make a psychosis.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 24, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait for half-smoke diplomacy, Scottynuke.

'course, some might suggest that much - if not most - of it already is.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | June 24, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Paranoia or astute police work? I am also making a mental note to remove all my garden implements from my car that could be deemed "weapons"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/g8-g20/news/police-arrest-man-with-arsenal-of-weapons-near-g20-zone/article1616347/

Posted by: dmd3 | June 24, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Imagine this at Woodley Park!

http://www.grist.org/article/2010-06-23-why-yes-mass-transit-stations-should-always-have-a-slide/

Posted by: kguy1 | June 24, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, look at that little characters remaining widget. Who says things don't keep getting better and better...meanwhile,

W_G wrote...

"...how to deal with inappropriate intrusions by using the chain of command (b&tching up). This skill is often specific to understanding the rules and goals of the situation, and he's not used to civilian diplomacy."

Problem with this otherwise cogent and I must say now dominant narrative, is that this guy is Special Ops. Not Rangers, not a commando, in the Army, Special Ops is all about civilian diplomacy, or politics. Isn't that true Frosty?

Are we to believe he was just a soldiers' soldier who happened to end up a Special Ops General? He was the first ever Special Ops war theater commander, I think. He was chosen to be political.

I still think he knew he would be fired for what he did, but I can't say for sure, let alone why.


Posted by: shrink2 | June 24, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

3000 characters remaining,
like a Fellini movie.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 24, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Back from a morning of fun and silliness, including swapping out 'normal' currency in the tip jar @ the local Starbucks for money origami critters.

kguy, if they can make one that's wheelie accessible, I'm there. Probably have to go backwards, though.

Chocolate cookies later this afternoon. one of MrJS' faves.

Posted by: MsJS | June 24, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

It's so breathtakingly hadean today that I can envision children all over the D.C. area pleading, "No, mommy, don't make me go outside to get anything from the ice cream man!"

Posted by: bobsewell | June 24, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry. I thought the Truscott and Ricks articles were interesting for their insight, from a different perspective (more informed than mine) on qualifications for the kind of complex military command necessary in areas like Afghanistan. This is one reason I highly value frostbitten's comments in this area. I never intended to engage in armchair psychology directed at McChrystal or any other general, for that matter. Having never met the man, it would be presumptuous of me even if I were experienced in either psychological analysis or military command.

Very interesting: Apparently there is some sort of character limit. Per log-in? Timed? I don't know. But I now have a little box between "comments" and "preview/submit" titled "characters remaining", with a running and ever-decreasing tally.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 24, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I agree, he knew. Maybe he just thought it was coming anyway, or he couldn't restrain himself even so-- might as well go out with guns blazing.

Um, I personally know a couple Special Ops from 'Nam, and I wouldn't call them diplomats. Maybe it's the killing-people thing; they're more likely to assassinate diplomats than be one. They're trained in unconventional warfare, not diplomancy.


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 24, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, I met two such men. They both went and got Harvard MBAs.

Posted by: MsJS | June 24, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Now if there just a widget to show us what's not going to make it through the wordy dird filter.

Fellini or Groundhog's Day?

Posted by: -dbG- | June 24, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"They're trained in unconventional warfare, not diplomancy."

Many millions of characters no longer remain as Pentagonians have tried to differentiate Special Ops, the Green Berets of John Wayne infamy, from assassins.

Once again, I'd sure like to hear from frostbitten in this regard.

Is the political sophistication of SOF all hype, mostly hype, or shouldn't McCh have know a thing or two or three about the ways civilians transact power?

It is possible he never heard of Rolling Stone, or he thought only hippies read that, or that since it has mainly to do with rock music, no one would care? As if he had done an interview with The Enquirer, he might have thought he had irrelevant publication cover.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 24, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Well, the World Cup shockers keep on coming...

Japan is up 2-0 on Denmark after two reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee(watch that character counter move)eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeediculous free kicks.

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 24, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't know the hype you speak of, Shrink. All I know is what I've been directly told by those who know.

I think you're just trying to chase explanations down. The man has a right to act irrationally for a rational cause, or vice-versa.


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 24, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

MsJs, The two I met were pretty smart guys; one is a certified genius with multiple doctorates, including one in psychology, but he's been messed up by 'Nam.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 24, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"The man has a right to act irrationally for a rational cause, or vice-versa."

This is not an intellectual witch hunt.
The all the dying people part matters to me, I am paying for it. Don't get me wrong, but I don't care about the general. I want to know what the f "we" are doing there and whether or not this guy just declared the defeat of his own plan.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 24, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow, a character-counting widget we never asked for. Still no italics!

Posted by: seasea1 | June 24, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm no military expert, shrink, but I doubt a man who has devoted his adult life to it would "declare the defeat of his own plan" in that manner.

Posted by: MsJS | June 24, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so I know it's my job and that I gotta do it. Really, I gotta do it. The follow responds to yesterday's earthquake in Canukistan and environs in other lands, and is directed to all in its wake (I mix metaphors a lot, so bear with, eh? (Ohhh, I said "bear"!):

**Did you feel the earth move under your feet? Did you feel the sky tumbling down, tumbling down?**

Couldn't resist. That song was just *made* for times like that, eh?

And, now, onto your regularly scheduled boodling. . . .

Posted by: -ftb- | June 24, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Will the character counting widget preclude TBG from submitting her outstanding artwork? That's my only concern, although I did note on another comment format that the limit is 5000 characters. I submit that, based on the content usually found in that format, the limits should be reversed.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 24, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

It looks like its churning up to some precip here in MoCo. I checked Doppler a while ago and there were no T-storms anywhere closer than Warrenton, but maybe this will be a pop-up like the one we got Tuesday evening in Savage.

Posted by: ebtnut | June 24, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: MsJS | June 24, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I think the execution of that plan will be called in question, Shrink, rather than the objectives. Perhaps it's a plan poorly carried out due to confusion.

Petraeus is now stuck making sure HIS counterinsurgency works in Afghanistan as it apparently did in Iraq.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0623/Gen.-David-Petraeus-takes-over-in-Afghanistan-Will-it-make-a-difference

I think there are some fundamental differences between Iraq and Afghan society, though, that may have complicated the COIN strategy.

For one thing, are we absolutely sure the other side's not doing the same thing, only with less money yet more efficiently psychologically?

Throwing too much money at people for their cooperation can cause as much resentment as it does loyalty, because money is intended to be exchanged with others, and is not a direct good.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091209121225.htm

We seem to have been pouring enough money to certain people in Afghanistan to make them extremely wealthy even by American standards.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090715131549.htm

A feel-good gift. But what do they buy with that? Does that money make them think about their own people's needs? Does it make them more likely to see Americans as partners, rather than walking bags of money?




Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 24, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Well, that new feature is interesting. I don't see it as an impediment in any real sense.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 24, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

First, let me say I do not know enough about McCh or the human psyche to say anything about his motives-conscious or unconscious-for saying what he said in front of a reporter. But here are a few observations-

If he didn't think RS would do a well reported, and well read, story he would be the only officer at his level who didn't. Everyone gets the "early bird" brief, an unclassified digest of top news stories and the RS's serious coverage often makes it into the brief and has for many years.

On SOF and the political- the former Mr. F (#2), a SOF aviator, often said it should be called "non-standard" opns not "special" so people would remember to play well with others. While I think the areas of authority and responsibility for Eikenberry-Holbrooke-McChrystal could have been better defined, that issue could also have been overcome with a less problematic combination of personalities.

While not excusing his comments, or the climate he created with his close aides, I know that the whole thing can be far less than any of us are reading into it. We've been at war a long time. Most people who do well in the military, and SOF in particular, are people persons. Once you get to battalion command and above it is a very isolating experience with few close peers, and it gets more isolating as you rise. He was busy, tired, preoccupied, and used to speaking freely-he was probably used to often being the only person in a room who could. What he said may have been out of his mouth before he knew it, and it alone was worthy of relief. But, to my mind the truly unforgivable part is the climate he created among his subordinates, that took time and surely was obvious before the RS reporter ever arrived on the scene.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 24, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Resigning, being fired and being relieved of his command are all different things. Also, seems to me that by and large, saying what he thought got him up the ladder, not down.

Posted by: LostInThought | June 24, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"Does it make them more likely to see Americans as partners, rather than walking bags of money?"

Everyone knows the answer to this. We are not their partners and we never were, not when they were fighting the Soviets (who killed ~1,000,000 Afghans, reportedly) not when the Soviet puppet and the Northern alliance lost to the Taliban and not now.

We are only money. The entire Afghan economy depends upon Russian, American and European drug addicts. What does that mean? (rhetorical question)

"...are we absolutely sure the other side is not doing the same thing, only with less money yet more efficiently psychologically?"

Yes, they are. This is Taliban psyops versus US Army psyops.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 24, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Precisely, LiT and Frostbitten.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 24, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Just a note while Rangers are not the same as SF, they are considered SOF. McChrystal had both a regular airborne infantry battalion command with the 82nd and a ranger battalion command (both Lt. Colonel jobs). Interestingly his command as an O-6 (Colonel) was not one of the Special Forces groups but of a ranger regiment. He also spent a year as a fellow at the JFK School at Harvard and another with the Council on Foreign Relations. This variety of experiences is not unusual, as staying strictly in SF assignments virtually insures a truncated career-not enough opportunity for command and staff jobs that promotion boards understand.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 24, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Here is what I have been amusing myself with today, this is the "weapons loaded vehicle", now it appears to me is a car that was ready for a weekend at the cottage, camp. Only the cross bow stands out, but I do know hunters who use cross bows so not completely out of the norm. As for being disoriented being surrounded by 40 heavily armed police might do that.

Whatever the reason the driver had he certainly wasn't being inconspicuous. Comments on the articles up here are very amusing.

This local is directly across the street from where dmdspouse used to work, great area and a few blocks from the "red security zone".

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100624/weapons-arrest-toronto-100624/20100624?hub=Canada&s_name=

Posted by: dmd3 | June 24, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"He also spent a year as a fellow at the JFK School at Harvard and another with the Council on Foreign Relations."

From this, I gather he was promoted to this war theater commander's job after he had political training, if not experience.

frostbitten, if you have time, this is fascinating, you have referenced the "climate he created" several times. Could you say more about that?

Posted by: shrink2 | June 24, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

This bear has the right idea. Take a dip in the hot tub.

http://www.theawl.com/2010/06/bear-chills-in-hot-tub

Posted by: yellojkt | June 24, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I was reminded of a scene in "Silence of the Lambs" when Scott Glenn is ribbing Jodie Foster in some sexist dig; not too harmful in itself, but Foster says it's not so much that, it's that the men "look to you to know how to act." Then Glenn gets it.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 24, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Cookies, anyone?

Got nuttin' to add to the McC thread, so I'll add chocolate cookies.

Posted by: MsJS | June 24, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, read for yourself.

On the first page alone of the RS interview: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236
The aide's comment about the dinner with the French minister in the first page alone, and an advisor suggesting a play on words for "Biden" strongly suggests an atmosphere of disrespect that has been encouraged by MacChrystal.

Also regard page 3 about Team McChrystal enjoying bashing their superiors.

And page 5 indicating that MacChrystal's orders have been distorted by the time they reach the troops. That cannot be condoned even when it doesn't cost lives-- and it has. This is sabotage from within, and it must be rooted out immediately.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 24, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I will take some cookies, I have nothing on the McC situation - as is painfully obvious.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 24, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Update on the suspicious, vehicle, the car was the man's home, and he was distraught because he didn't know who would look after his dog.

Sigh.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 24, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

shrink- I draw my conclusions from the quotes attributed to his aides and advisors in the RS article.
A few examples-
"Who's he going to dinner with?" I ask one of his aides.

"Some French minister," the aide tells me. "It's f*ing gay."

My take-aides communicate what they think the boss thinks.

On the first time he meets Obama after getting the Afghan job -"It was a 10-minute photo op," says an adviser to McChrystal. "Obama clearly didn't know anything about him, who he was. Here's the guy who's going to run his f*ing war, but he didn't seem very engaged. The Boss was pretty disappointed."

My take-disappoint my boss, disappoint me. This is something he should've shared with Mrs. McCh, or his dog, not an adviser.

"The general's staff is a handpicked collection of killers, spies, geniuses, patriots, political operators and outright maniacs. There's a former head of British Special Forces, two Navy Seals, an Afghan Special Forces commando, a lawyer, two fighter pilots and at least two dozen combat veterans and counterinsurgency experts. They jokingly refer to themselves as Team America,..."

My take-precisely why I think "non-standard" makes a better name than "special." They believe the memoirs they've written in their heads and nowhere else "because if I told you I'd have to kill you."


Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 24, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Aside from what Wilbrod cites from the Rolling Stone article, I found McC's personal history, especially his record at West Point, pretty telling. It starts on page 3 with "The son of a general, . . . . ." Seems like he bucked authority from the beninning.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 24, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

SCC: beginning

Posted by: talitha1 | June 24, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, frosti! Good to hear this from you.

Posted by: -dbG- | June 24, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so everything we know comes from the Rolling Stone piece. I thought there might be other sources of information as to this dreadful flaw. We've agreed he never was the right person for this job.

The open question remains, did he know he was leaving the job as he was speaking to the reporter? If he didn't, picking him says a lot about something. If he did, he quit.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 24, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I appreciate frosti's insights today, too. I've read a lot of other articles and opinion pieces, shrink, but the RS article is the "primary source", so to speak, and the catalyst for this entire thing.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 24, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Balancing the budget (yeah, right) on the backs of the unemployed:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/24/AR2010062405259.html?hpid=topnews

Shrink, what you're calling McChrystal's "flaw" may be what helped him move up the ranks, as someone else pointed out, I think. People in power become used to doing what they want. Apparently no one on his staff pushed back at RS when they checked quotes, etc. I think McChrystal just didn't think it was a big deal, for whatever reason. To me, what he did last fall was more disrespectful, and that's what got him the job. Or at least didn't keep him from getting the job.

I, for one, would like us to withdraw from Afghanistan altogether.

Posted by: seasea1 | June 24, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

shrink-my personal perception of McChrystal's "dreadful flaw" is that no one believes in his brilliance more than he does. As I said yesterday, he could use some of that impostor syndrome.

As to picking the right general for the job. It's much like investing, past performance is no guarantee of future returns. The biggest problem with trying to fit the qualities to the requirements is that the presumed requirements often don't coincide with the actual situation.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 24, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Going back to our favorite oil company for a moment, it stock closed below $29.00 today and reached a new 52-week low of $28.56.

Sky News reports the company is looking to sell its stake in a Gorgonzolan oil producer to raise some quick cash.
http://blogs.news.sky.com/kleinman/Post:0a22ed08-7b21-4078-91a6-797a6addbeb4
(Well, he didn't say Gorgonzolan, but there is evidence of crumbling under pressure)

Posted by: MsJS | June 24, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Frosti, I too am fascinated by your perspective, thanks for sharing! I'm still astounded that an officer of his rank would say such things and allow them to be printed. He had to go.

Posted by: slyness | June 24, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I should say my 6:44 is based on pre-RS article perceptions of McCh.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 24, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

First of all, the people in the Gulf have to contend with an approaching storm as well as deal with the oil spill. I'm betting the folks are just plain wore out.

I saw on the news they're dragging the ocean and catching an endangered turtle, and burning these little guys, as well as anything else caught up in that net. Bad, bad.

Now we have more oil pouring out because the cap has been removed.

I'm calling on all the ministers, preachers, evangelists, Sunday school teachers, missionaries, and all that believe in God and His Son Jesus, everyone, we need a national day of prayer for this ongoing mess. Are you out there folks?

I believe this will work, folks. Nothing else has. Please let's give this our best heartfelt effort. And I suspect many of us have been praying all the while, I know I have, but let us do this together, as one, being led by those that God has put in charge.

It is over one hundred degrees here. It's dangerous to go outside. Love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | June 24, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"As I said yesterday, he could use some of that impostor syndrome."

Indeed.

Going swimming. Thank you so much boodle community for being so erudite and civil to boot; I learned a lot today. Thanks again frostbitten, I can only guess at how much you care about this.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 24, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Love you back, Cassandra.

I like your idea.

Posted by: -dbG- | June 24, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Scottynuke, you are warming my curling deprived heart with your World Cup Soccer reports.

I have 2723 more characters left to use but I have nothing left to say. Its sort of hypnotic watching the numbers change as you type. Its not like it's italics or anything but hey...

Posted by: --dr-- | June 24, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I weep not for Stan McChrystal. This is hardly someone who's going out in disgrace.

He said some impolitic things in a pretty political environment. Stuff happens. He'll be just fine.

Posted by: Bob-S | June 24, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

My new favorite phrase: "It was like I could throw a coin at his face and make a wish."

Posted by: steveboyington | June 24, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I've always had a pattern of recognizing the insecure people who might have some influence over my fate, and then antagonizing them.

It's a gift, I tell ya.

Posted by: Bob-S | June 24, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

You're most welcome, dr. :-)

I can think of several Boodlers (OK, darn near most of ya) who'll flip over this site:

http://www.scifiairshow.com/index.html

Enjoy!

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 24, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra, sorry to hear about the hot weather; I would go stir crazy in no time flat. I like your idea, too.

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There's a bit of a needlework design I've been implementing this afternoon. Simple number groups repeated to create the illusion of curved diamonds. (the above used about 3,200 characters) Fun with mathematics.

Too early for fireflies and too hot to cook!


Posted by: talitha1 | June 24, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Keep cool, Cassandra. Go to a shelter or hospital or library if your AC conks out. Too many people risk heat stroke out of fear of bothering someone.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 24, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

The point has been made that McChrystal and his aides did not resist or push back when Rolling Stone sent them the pre-press article, so they must have approved of its content. Not so. The purpose of showing them the article is to get their reaction (a bit of extra material for the article), and to verify quotes. As various journalists at this very news-publisher have noted, the subject of an article is not given veto power over it. In fact, the only example I can think of is that Gene Weingarten admits that his son had veto power over the article in Sunday's paper. There is no squawk of disagreement that McChrystal or his aides could have offered that would not have gotten them into hotter water, no admission of error in print that would not have come off as shameful whining.

There is no reason to think that Rolling Stone would refrain from publishing because they discovered that the article hurt McChrystal's feelings. McChrystal may have behaved foolishly, but there is no evidence that he is stupid or dishonorable. He surely knew that he could not restrain the article and that he had destroyed himself. That doesn't mean he did it on purpose, but there must have come a moment when it became an inescapable conclusion. The only reason for his prepublication calls to various people to apologize was as a matter of honor -- you can rescue your personal sense of honor by apologizing to those you have wronged. You can't rescue the trust that has been placed in you.

Milbank described McChrystal as being clueless about his situation when reporters asked whether he had offered his resignation, and McChrystal indicated he had not. I would read it differently -- having dishonored himself, his President, and the role that had been entrusted to him, he had lost the right to decide his own mode of departure, and had to go before the President and be ordered as to his next actions. I don't know if that's what really was going on, but I think it's what an honorable man would do.

Posted by: ScienceTim | June 24, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

So, Bob S., are you campaigning for McChrystal's job now?

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 24, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

The point has been made that McChrystal and his aides did not resist or push back when Rolling Stone sent them the pre-press article, so they must have approved of its content. Not so. The purpose of showing them the article is to get their reaction (a bit of extra material for the article), and to verify quotes. As various journalists at this very news-publisher have noted, the subject of an article is not given veto power over it. In fact, the only example I can think of is that Gene Weingarten admits that his son had veto power over the article in Sunday's paper. There is no squawk of disagreement that McChrystal or his aides could have offered that would not have gotten them into hotter water, no admission of error in print that would not have come off as shameful whining.

There is no reason to think that Rolling Stone would refrain from publishing because they discovered that the article hurt McChrystal's feelings. McChrystal may have behaved foolishly, but there is no evidence that he is stupid or dishonorable. He surely knew that he could not restrain the article and that he had destroyed himself. That doesn't mean he did it on purpose, but there must have come a moment when it became an inescapable conclusion. The only reason for his prepublication calls to various people to apologize was as a matter of honor -- you can rescue your personal sense of honor by apologizing to those you have wronged. You can't rescue the trust that has been placed in you.

Milbank described McChrystal as being clueless about his situation when reporters asked whether he had offered his resignation, and McChrystal indicated he had not. I would read it differently -- having dishonored himself, his President, and the role that had been entrusted to him, he had lost the right to decide his own mode of departure, and had to go before the President and be ordered as to his next actions. I don't know if that's what really was going on, but I think it's what an honorable man would do.

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Posted by: ScienceTim | June 24, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Stupid, stupid, Moveable Type error. I had an error when I thought I had hit Preview, so I went back, added a little more text, previewed it successfully, and posted again. Only to see it show up twice.

I humbly offer my resignation.

Posted by: ScienceTim | June 24, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

SciTim-building on your 8:29 (and 8:22)- about the only refreshing thing about the whole mess is not hearing any whining about being misquoted or having comments taken out of context.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 24, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I'll be curious to see McC's next move. Book? He'd sell millions upon millions, if he let it be known that he was gonna be critical of Obama. Dottydo and ProCounsel alone would buy dozens.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 24, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

gosh!

Posted by: Yoki | June 24, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra, your good heart does my body (and soul) good.

Good people are good for us. Much better than the bad people who are bad for us.

(I heard this said by a neighbor's grandson, circa six who was trying to understand the oil spill).

Hi dbG and others. Frostie, thinking of your honorable and wise warrior-heart.

Have a horrid summer cold and will retire to the coughing and sneezing chaise....summer colds so offend and irritate.

Good Night, boodle; blessings with fruity-Jimmies on top.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 24, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Good evening, all.

I-mom, I hear you. As interesting as the psychoanalysis of McChrystal and other folks involved in that RS piece is, I'm not trained or equipped for such things. My Boodlenalysis of that situation: I suppose that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, if you know what I mean.

And I see that Comedy Central's showing new episodes of Futurama - very cool. I bet they're watching over at TBG's.

Speaking of such things, Scottynuke, that scifiairshow site -- oy, that's direct from the Basement of the Science Building. Nice Photochoppage, and yeah, you know I didn't have to look at the text to know where those birds came from. Omni would love that stuff, and probably would be very happy to see one of the Angel Flight interceptors parked at that airshow (not to mention one of the Angel Flight herownself.)

bc

Posted by: -bc- | June 24, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Cassandra, dear heart -- please take care and stay safe and healthy.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | June 24, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have italics. 2966 left

Posted by: nellie4 | June 24, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

The McChrystal October London speech smackdown by Obama was discussed tonight on NPR and appears briefly in the RS article. Sounds like the personal pattern that frosti talked about.

CqP, faxing you honey,lemon and fresh ginger tea. Cassandra, enough ice to swim in.

Cupcakes delivered to my office, where they'll be picked up tomorrow. I'll say it here first--no more wedding cakes, cookie platters (except for 1 kid) or dozens upon dozens of cupcakes. From now on, I'll give something else I make--money. If I'm visiting someone and take them 4 dozen cookies, that's still okay.

Hah! Moveable Type got ScienceTim too! I knew it wasn't just me.

Posted by: -dbG- | June 24, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Seems the boodle went bed. Only 9:30 here on the left coast.
Interesting insight from insider frosti.

Hottest day of the year so far here,85 and RH 13%.

Where are you seasea, middle of the pacific and rainforest?
Where's mudge?

Posted by: bh72 | June 25, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Seems the boodle went bed. Only 9:30 here on the left coast.
Interesting insight from insider frosti.

Hottest day of the year so far here,85 and RH 13%.

Where are you seasea, middle of the pacific and rainforest?
Where's mudge?

Posted by: bh72 | June 25, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm here, bh. Finally hit 75 here a couple days ago. My praying mantises haven't hatched yet. I'm enjoying being done, reeely, reeely done with the Census. Not sure what's next, but I'm looking forward to some time off so I can get out in my yard.

2750 characters remaining, but nothing to say...2702...

Posted by: seasea1 | June 25, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

it's my birthday. a song for the night shift. one of my favourites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlWsmuPioY&feature=related

Posted by: -jack- | June 25, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Hi, seasea, I switched over to joel's natgeo story on the national grid because I was getting the continuous Ferris wheel trying to load my comment. I don't know if the problem was my mac, IP or wapo, but it was taking a long time to load. Now I see it loaded twice.
Lately I have been getting a 'not connected to the internet' message on safari in the morning. Unplugging the modem and restarting the mac corrects it after a while. I don't know if the problem is with Charter IP, the modem or the mac. Any mac users out there having the same problem since the the update before the last?

Posted by: bh72 | June 25, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Happy birthday, Jack

Posted by: bh72 | June 25, 2010 1:26 AM | Report abuse

thanks, bh. 3000 characters, it would seem to me, could qualify as a kit.

Posted by: -jack- | June 25, 2010 1:38 AM | Report abuse

So, seasea, now that you are again laid of, with all the other 65,000, does the unemployment rate go back over 10%?

Posted by: bh72 | June 25, 2010 1:41 AM | Report abuse

SCC, off

Posted by: bh72 | June 25, 2010 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I suppose so...650,000 of us. I'm in some sort of limbo state, may get hired for the follow-on to the follow-on, because you know, it would be a shame to not make double and triple sure that we collected the info correctly.

jack, Happy Birthday! Do you like this version?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09WlrVnramo

How about this -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZxN9iQM7OY&feature=related

Posted by: seasea1 | June 25, 2010 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Who was the clean cut guitar player with the glasses?

When I worked in Marin, sometimes when I went to stationary store the would be a bag labeled 'Grateful Dead'

Posted by: bh72 | June 25, 2010 1:57 AM | Report abuse

The Black Crows are at the Britt July 2nd.

Posted by: bh72 | June 25, 2010 2:01 AM | Report abuse

The Black Crows are at the Britt in Jacksonville, OR July 2nd.
Brittfest.org

Posted by: bh72 | June 25, 2010 2:03 AM | Report abuse

As Leon says, I can get you in free.

Posted by: bh72 | June 25, 2010 2:06 AM | Report abuse

bh72, I’ve been busy reading about the World Cup and Wimbledon. That’s the problem when one doesn’t have cable. Have been very unproductive these few days. I hope nobody will find out.

Posted by: rainforest1 | June 25, 2010 2:33 AM | Report abuse

We won't tell, rainforest. ;-)

Hippo Birdies, jack!!! *faxin' confetti and party hats and horns and stuff* :-)

For some strange reason, NukeSpawn is voicing objections to awakening in time for Dawn Patrol... (mean, mean daddy!!)

(I-know-she-really-doesn't-mind-too-much-and-TFSMIF Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 25, 2010 5:39 AM | Report abuse

Kvetching 101

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/opinion/25brooks.html?hp

Posted by: -shiloh- | June 25, 2010 5:50 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning, friends. It's the last day of Vacation Bible school, and we will have a special event for the kids Saturday. Hope they get to enjoy it, weather permitting.

Staying cool, by staying inside. AC unit working, I suspect doing overtime.

A late birthday wish for Jack. Hope yours was everything and more.

Slyness, hope you are cool and staying out this hot weather. Have a good Friday, and an even better weekend, folks. Love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | June 25, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

I haven't commented on the McC controversy because I had no firm opinion, but I guess I shouldn't let that stop me. Having grown up around but never in the military, I've seen the kvetching all around me. (W)itching about your commanding officer seems to be one of the military's most time honored traditions.

Does it surprise me that McC did it so vociferously? No. I doubt that even today he really sees what he did wrong except get caught on the record. To a lot of people, Jack Nicholson in 'A Few Good Men' is a tragic hero. He was just speaking the truth.

In order to get that far in the military, you need enormous ego and self-confidence, a little disdain for authority, and a whole lot of attitude. And there is a weird duality there. We don't want to know the truth because there is usually something disturbing in there. And once you know the truth, you have to act on it.

I'm not defending McC or condemning him. What flaws and virtues got him where he was was what took him down. Classic Aristotelian tragedy.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 25, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning everyone.

Happy Birthday Jack.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 25, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse

And happy birthday Jack. I wish I knew the perfect Dead song for the occasion, but I'm sure you do.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 25, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

See, I mostly know Billy Joel songs and somehow this one just doesn't seem appropriate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVcKj1rF0PI

Maybe this Stones song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxpfBWMOlOk

Posted by: yellojkt | June 25, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

'Morning everybody. Happy birthday Jack!

Nice weather today with no humidity. Going to pick up the grandddaughters for an overnight. I'll put them to work in the garden picking peas and reward them with ice cream, but we will have dinner first (can't ignore healthy food every day!).

Posted by: badsneakers | June 25, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all.

Happy Birthday, JACK!
You say it's your birthday?
Happy birthday to you! (dem beatle guys sang dat song real good)
Yesterday or today?

Cassandra, I appeal often to my own idea of heaven and you soften my heart whenever I read your posts. Stay cool . . . . . bathtubs of cold water have been my spine-tingly last resort of late.

Happy Friday to all boodlers.


Posted by: talitha1 | June 25, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Morning Al!

Happy birthday Jack, and happy visit with Dad Nukespawn.

On the McCrystal thing, he really left Obama no choice but to replace him. Whether that was his intention I cannot say. Raysdad was opining that the one that got screwed in this was Petraeus, who essentially took a demotion. Frosti, if you're out there, what are your thoughts on this?

Today is Performance Appraisal Friday, the day when I sequester myself, write evaluations, and try to think of new and creative ways to motivate people who are at the top of their pay grade.

Posted by: Raysmom | June 25, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all.

Warm muffins, coffee and RRGJ on the table.

Birffday wishes to Jack.

Still got nuttin' to say about McC. Lemme know when the topic changes.

Happy Friday and stay cool.

Posted by: MsJS | June 25, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Raysmom!! *waving*

*wondering if strategic placement of "cattle prod" within performance appraisals would constitute new and creative motivation* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 25, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Job Loss. Always works.

Posted by: russianthistle | June 25, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

New Ket!

Posted by: yellojkt | June 25, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

New kit.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 25, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Good morning boodle!
Stay cool and safe Cassandra.
Happy birthday (belated by now?) Jack.
Scotty enjoy the weekend with Nukespawn.

Mr. F, ever insightful, pointed out to me last night that while McCh set the tone his subordinates failed in one of their most important missions-keeping the boss out of trouble. This is not, as is often thought, cleaning up after indiscretions or screw-ups, this is knowing the boss's weaknesses and helping him/her overcome them. Candor, a strong moral compass, and not sharing the same flaws all help.

Not putting much into any "demotion" thoughts on Petraeus. My bet would be they are looking for someone who is already a 3 star to take over at CENTCOM. Elevating his deputy has been talked about, but that would seem problematic. The old senior/subordinate relationship between Eikenberry and McCh was part of their undoing.

I don't know if it hit the early bird brief, but Gail Collins' brutal piece is making its way around-http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/opinion/24collins.html?ref=gailcollins

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 25, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

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