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No-Drama Obama meets drama

Gulf Destroyed; Obama Approval Rating Dips

Rule one in American politics: It's always about the president.

What DOES President Obama think about the stuck diamond saw?

Does Obama have a position on whether it was the float collar or the seal assembly that proved faulty in the Macondo well and allowed the HC influx?

Favorite oil well cementer: Halliburton or Schlumberger?

Obama isn't doing so hot with this oil spill crisis, the pundit class has decided. Here's MoDo today:

This president has made it clear that he's not comfortable outside whatever domain he's defined. But unless he wants his story to be marred by a pattern of passivity, detachment, acquiescence and compromise, he'd better seize control of the story line of his White House years. Woe-is-me is not an attractive narrative.

He needs to get his scuba gear on.

Or call in the bomb squad. Yes, bombing the well might worsen the problem, but think how good we'd all feel about it in the short run.

Show it who's boss.

The simple fact is that, as long as the well is uncapped, and we see the gusher, the president is never going to look good, any more than BP is going to look good. Oil makes everyone look bad, especially with the split-screen image of the subsea geyser.

Obama has always been good at keeping drama to a minimum, a clear break in style from his predecessor. But the No Drama strategy doesn't work when it collides with real, actual drama that is live on television. Thus the demands to White House spokesman Robert Gibbs for some description of Obama being enraged. It's all so silly. It's absurd. Tell us about the clenched jaw!!

People don't want No Drama Obama. They want his Parallel Universe twin -- Drama Obama!

By Joel Achenbach  |  June 2, 2010; 2:12 PM ET
 
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Comments

As I mentioned in the last boodle, I resent, strongly, perhaps with a side of umbrage, the notion that various pundits have the right to dictate to me the proper way for the President to emote.

Obama is Obama. I don't want him to try to reinvent himself because the chattering classes have gotten bored with him and are desperate for a new angle.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 2, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

SciTim got anti-mudged. His last comment on the old boodle is actually on-topic for this kit.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 2, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The thing is, once one of these memes, or whatever, is started, they replicate like bunnies on fertility drugs. Soon everyone in the Pundustry (that term never really took hold did it) regurgitating "Is Obama too Cerebral" embellished with a saucy question mark.

And, being in a cranky mood anyway, let me stress that the notion of everything on the planet serving as only having meaning in terms of Presidential Approval Ratings is obscene.

Nearly as obscene as those portions of the blogosphere that seem to exist for no other reason but to serve up pre-masticated chunks of spin intended to induce a hormonal rush in like minded individuals. We meed honest analysis. We don't need faux commentators who are simply seeking to supply ideological titillation. There's enough pornography on the internet as it is.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 2, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

FYI, this is on the front page. I checked as soon as I saw the new kit title, because it had the feel of what the WaPo likes to put on the front--page views and all.

I predict things are about to get hairy.

Posted by: Awal | June 2, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

SciTim -- your post in the last kit was so incredibly (well, credibly for you and most of us) FABULOUS, I hope that you repost it in this kit. Pleeze, pleeze do!

I completely agree. He's the first certified adult we've had in the WH for centuries, nay, millennia, and the so-called pundits, who generally have what might be called brains (yet, oh so puny) have said puny brains concretely up their a$$es. I haven't the faintest ideas what these childish morons want him to do or how to act. Geez, I fear for this country of mine, what with all the three year olds running around pontificating.

*still muttering expletives, yet at the same time (mind you) faxing tons of **hearts** to SciTim*

What page are you on now, Mudge???

Posted by: -ftb- | June 2, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Guess I'd better consider myself to have been Mudged, and re-post what I posted at the end of the last Kit:

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I'm still trying to figure out what it is that Obama is supposed to be doing that he is not doing. Doing what is needed looks like not doing much, because it means doing only one thing (the right thing). Deciding what is needed looks like doing even less. That's what he's doing. It would be nice if the naysayers and detractors all could grow up enough to understand what it looks like when grown-ups are doing grown-up things.

I understand that it would be lovely if he could force the oil well to stop leaking by simply expressing himself more forcefully. I live in something like the real world, however, and in this world, that doesn't work -- it gets Herodotus to write a chapter making fun of you for ordering men to whip the Bosporus as punishment for the seas refusing to calm when you ordered it, but it doesn't fix the problem.

I have immense respect for Obama's ability to resist the calls to JUST DO SOMETHING!!!! and instead to think and to act in a studied and deliberate fashion. Bush was very good at doing SOMETHING when events came upon him; and repeatedly, it turned out that what he did was not the right thing, and often the opposite of the right thing to do. I cannot think of another President in my lifetime that I would rather have in charge than Obama at this moment.

Posted by: ScienceTim | June 2, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ScienceTim | June 2, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I usually just lurk here, so pardon me for intruding. But I'm with others who say Obama's natural state is calm and collected; if he tried to show the press that he has emotions now, it would just come off as showy.

However, I wonder why they haven't just sent the VP down to the Gulf with a big old press crew. He's the Scotty to Obama's Spock, if you will, and I don't see why they can't use him to be the face of the administration's wailing and shirt-rending response. Would that quiet the press who are criticizing the administration's calm presence? Not sure, but it might help connect the WH to people who think Obama's a bit too collected.

Posted by: dkp01 | June 2, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

This is warmed over groupthink. Sorry, this isn't a 24 hour drama that you can watch in your jammies: whatever the accepted wisdom that the press is dishing out, most people on the gulf coast are looking for a solution to the problem. So if we have a president who thinks before we acts, more power to him. (We could also use a media that investigates before it starts engaging in rapid response political blogsport, but that's a little much to ask for, I understand.)

Posted by: jrbarry63 | June 2, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I shall now quote a purveyor of "phony phone calls," who used a voice synthesizer to add WAY too much bass in an attempt to channel Barry White (or something like that) while tormenting a customer service rep:

"Save the drama fo' yo' mama."

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 2, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

But we DO have drama at the French Open -- First Federer is bounced, now this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/sports/tennis/03women.html

And this is likely to elicit some drama from bc:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/business/03mercury.html

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 2, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me the entire previous 'boodle was prescient. SciTim summed up the feelings that pervade many of us about the wailings and gnashings of teeth common among talking heads.

As I said somewhere back there, Obama can't slap on a big S, don a cape and superglue the oil spill. I'm so glad he maintains his composure amidst this national anguish. I send him my best wishes every day.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 2, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Yessiree, a great idea.

Even as we type I'm sure the President is practicing waving his arms and jumping up and down for the next photo op.

Mr. A, this is media groupthink at its worst. I don't know why you want to be associated with it, even in jest.

Posted by: MsJS | June 2, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Liberal, drooling, shoe-licking fluff with absolutely no content.

America doesn't care a fig about what emotion that FRAUD and FAILURE in the WH has or doesn't have...we wait for the day to sterilize Washington.

Posted by: joesmithdefend | June 2, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

*sigh*

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 2, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Mmmmm. Time to open the bunker, perhaps. BTW, I thought Toles' editorial page cartoon was pretty good today (even though I still pine for Herblock).

Hey, I've got an idea ... BP can plug that old leak with joesmithdefend. . . . .

Posted by: -ftb- | June 2, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Same page, ftb. Been working. (And sighing.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 2, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

If a similar problem happened in Iran or Venezuela (something I wouldn't wish on either country), things could be simpler. The relevant President could blame an Evil Conspiracy and name the perpetrators. It would be an occasion for mass rallies and marches.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | June 2, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Here we go!

Jumper, the green curried shrimp was excellent. I've saved some for you and MsJS . . . it's bottom left in the bunker fridge.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 2, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

No surprise about Mercury. It's been struggling for a while.

Posted by: MsJS | June 2, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Here is a thing I like to do once in a while. Clear the mind. Take a deep breath. Imagine how John McCain and Sarah Palin would have handled things.

Ahhh. Exhale.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 2, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

dkp, I liked your comment, though I can't say I have anything insightful to add. Now that you've delurked, please stick around!

Posted by: -bia- | June 2, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Before we all have to run for the bunker let me just say 'right on' to Science Tim. I realize that everyone, especially those directly affected by the 'leak', is frustrated and longing for a silver bullet cure, but this is real life, not the movies. A president, any president, can only set wheels in motion and he has done that. Let's concentrate on helping however we can (volunteering if you live nearby) with the oil on shore and in the water and maybe say a prayer that something goes right for a change in the efforts to contain the oil.

Posted by: badsneakers | June 2, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

What President Obama is experiencing was entirely predictable, and is a direct consequence of the way he has organized his administration.

In brief, Obama has chosen an effective structure in which everything the government does is seen to flow from the President's office. This is a mirror of the campaign structure with which he, as well as the associates personally closest to him, are most familiar. In the campaign, everything revolves around making the candidate look good -- even more fundamentally, around focusing public attention on the candidate.

The Presidency is different, as various commentators at the Post have written. Presidents get attention without having to try. They are more likely to have problems getting out of the spotlight than with getting in to it, because the flip side of getting all the credit when things go well is that Presidents tend to get most of the blame when things go badly. Obama makes this problem worse. His Cabinet secretaries (with one exception, at the Pentagon, and a partial exception at Justice) are weak figures who rarely make a move without looking over their shoulders at the White House. Obama cannot turn to any one of them, entrust him with authority to coordinate the government's response to a novel situation like the Deepwater Horizon disaster, and let that subordinate be the lightning rod. He organized his administration as an extension of his campaign, and is now paying the price.

Posted by: jbritt3 | June 2, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Why than kew, talitha. It's delish!

Posted by: MsJS | June 2, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Is "Warmed-Over Groupthink" available as a boodle handle, Mudge?

If so, I have dibs on "Achenborg" and "HaikuHive."

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 2, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Sneaks, as long as I'm passing out *hearts*, you get plenty of them, too. That's a gem, indeed.

And, steveboyington, you are sooooooooo right! BTW, where in NH are you? I went to law school up there (haven't been back for almost 30 years, tho). Still have a friend up there from law school (he's retired now, lucky duck), with whom I trade emails pretty regularly. Since I was in Concord, it was just a quick trip down the road to get lobstah in Maine. I think I miss that now.

dkp, I echo -bia- and invite you to join us on a more unlurking basis. There are a bunch of new wunnerful more active boodlers who have delurked over the past month or two.

And to the ones who, like me, enjoy seeing the terpsichoreans in action, SYTYCD auditions are playing tonight and tomorrow night. This is the most boring part, but still, they show some pretty good dancers.

Posted by: -ftb- | June 2, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

It's available, Wilbrod. But the one about drooling and shoe-licking isn't, so don't let Wilbrodog get his hopes up.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 2, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Several years ago another president had another crisis to deal with in which thought and consideration instead of immediate reaction was the best thing. (I don't remember which president and which crisis.) Someone turned the standard axiom around and came up with "Don't just do something. Stand there."

Posted by: -pj- | June 2, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Drama Obama from the parallel universe has a goatee, does he not?

Scottynuke, I'd gotten news of the Mercury Blues this past Monday. (Can't post any youtube from here - lots of great covers of that song, and the David Lindley/El Rayo-X version is one of my favorites from back in the day. Jack, you got that?) Honestly, I was more bummed about Pontiac.

As I said about Hayward and the BP board some time back, I imagine the ink's been dry on the agreement for his exit plan for about a month.

Not even going to touch that matter of criminal charges again, though I also imagine there's provisions in Hayward's plan to fund defense fees. Though he'll go up a notch in my book if he takes the hit and/or pleas a deal to spare the lower level managment and anyone on the rig who might potentially be facing charges themselves.

Not sure about the contractors on the rig, though. [I imagine Haliburton's legal and mgt teams already have contingency plans in place, too.]

Would it help if Obama went all Earl Weaver/Bobby Knight/Woody Hayes/Gary Williams now? I think not.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | June 2, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Hi, all! Hope this finds you well.

*sigh* So that's where my Facebook buddy got that drivel comparing Obama's inactivity to Bush's/FEMA's inactivity during Katrina. It was served with a nasty, sarcastic side of "Obama's a liberal so it's OK for him to not do anything," but the sentiment is the same.

I personally think Obama is acting like a mature, responsible adult and executive. You know, like he's supposed to be. No one has a clue of what to do, so they are leaving the flashy hard part to the experts with the right equipment and know-how to fix the problem (BP). Gov't is doing what they can, although kind of quietly, by coordinating cleanups, deploying booms, etc. I don't think gov't action is always the answer, and I don't understand how some people can scream "Smaller gov't!" out of one side of their mouths while complaining that it isn't fixing this private-industry caused problem out of the other.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | June 2, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, do you remember this? I do.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/01/AR2010060103578.html

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 2, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Did someone say David Lindley?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr3Jp_aF1Ok&feature=related

Posted by: rashomon | June 2, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

do not want Drama Obama, and do not want No Drama Obama.
we have a young, inexperienced guy in place at a time of national crisis. he waffles, he ponders and he whines. he points finger backwards and fusses in lightning storms.
sigh.
he is not the right man for the job. we need a nuclear-hardened leader who can stand toe-to-toe with global executives, enviros, shrimpers, the military and Malia - all at once.
The right man for the job is clearly Hillary. Suit up and come on in HRC. We need you. Now.

Posted by: FloridaChick | June 2, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

O yes, 'Mudge, yes indeed. Let us hope we'll soon have new memories to surpass that. :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 2, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

What Obama is lacking is a more tech-savvy frontman. He should get one, and let that person (could be frontwoman) do the briefings. Making sure they actually knew foot-pounds from tiddly-winks.

Did Joe Biden get unofficially fired in the last couple of months? Or is he off on secret missions like the Sec. State? I was chatting about that with Bailey just yesterday.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 2, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The comparison to Katrina does not withstand rational thought, which tells you something about the folks who promote the comparison. What they have in common is that they are both disasters that are perceived as affecting New Orleans most strongly (no love for Biloxi or anything else in Mississippi or anything else in Louisiana). The differences are extensive.

Plenty of warning: we knew where Katrina would hit as of three days beforehand. We knew there were people in New Orleans who did not or could not leave on their own. We did not get them out.

Meaning of apparent inaction, Katrina: there were many things that were well within the power of the President and that could have and should have been done before and after the hurricane made landfall, that were not done. Inaction meant failure to act.

Power to control nature: none, in either case. But Katrina ended on its own. The oil leak will not end until the reservoir runs out of oil or BP gets the well properly cemented. There is nothing the President could do in either case, but the problem will not take care of itself this time.

Technological complexity: nothing in the aftermath of Katrina had to be technically complex. It was all a matter of doing simple things, many times over. Providing tents. Setting up camps. Building trailers. These are the things that government is supposed to be for, and government made a bad job of it.

Posted by: ScienceTim | June 2, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"Ha-a-a-a-ve you plugged the hole yet, Da-a-a-a-ddy?"

Posted by: chatard | June 2, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure Mrs. Clinton would appreciate being volunteered to go scuba diving in an oil slick. She does not seem the diving type.

VP Biden may be on probation and/or in the doghouse for pulling the old "I'm just stretching, wait, there's my arm around your shoulders" move on the First Lady, seen here at around 0:55 through 1:01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwuG-f3kHE0

in full view of President Obama.

Posted by: dkp01 | June 2, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

And SciTim, even when the government under Bush did build trailers (or saw/oversaw that trailers were built) the trailers were so toxic with formaldehyde (a well-known carcinogen (which I why in part I will not get my nails painted anymore)), that the people who lived there were made chronically ill at the very least.

My mantra since little boy's administration and beyond: I will never, ever again underestimate the utter stupidity of the American people (excluding 99.999% of boodledom, with an epsilon factor of, well, I'll let RD, yello, Snuke and SciTim figure that out on their respective slide rules).

Posted by: -ftb- | June 2, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Robert Reich will be on Marketplace on NPR this evening to argue for Obama taking over BP under receivership.

Here's an excerpt from his blog, robertreich.org.


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Q: Under what legal authority could the President take control of BP’s North American operations?

A: Obama has implicit authority through laws and regulations dealing with offshore drilling, especially the Oil Pollution Act of 1990. By analogy, if a nuclear reactor were melting down, the President would use his regulatory authority over nuclear energy to take temporary control over the plant and the relevant parts of the corporation that ran it. President Truman seized the nation’s steel mills in 1952, arguing that the emergency of the Korean War necessitated it. (The Supreme Court ultimately blocked him but according to Justice Jackson, whose opinion was essentially the majority’s, that was because Truman had no statutory basis for the seizure, not even an implicit one. That isn’t the case here.)

Posted by: rickoshea11 | June 2, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

To those wandering down MLB Memory Lane of 2005: MrJS asked me to remind you who won the World Series that year.

Hint: It's the team No Drama Obama roots for.

Posted by: MsJS | June 2, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

It's probably going to change any sec now, but the spillcam is currently showing a contraption that suspiciously resembles MrJS's 'miscellaneous shelves of whatever' in his old workshop.

Posted by: MsJS | June 2, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh, for crying out loud. This sounds a lot like the media whining because Obama refuses to be its dancing bear. "Please, emote for us, Mr. President, we need more news feed!"

Even MoDo gets into the act, bleating about the president's apparently lack of disaster empathy. Peggy Noonan warns darkly that the Obama Administration just won't survive 2012 unless he whips out the hanky.

Listen: We tried Mr. I-Feel-Your-Pain and the Friendly Fratboy. Frankly, neither were stellar talent. Now we've got a guy who actually cares about doing a good job, who values such strange virtues and Competence and Accountability. This should be a good thing, right?

Nope, we just want a dancing bear. Cue the penguins.


CowTown

Posted by: jp1954 | June 2, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who criticizes Pres Obama for not plugging the hole is being disengenuous.

That said:

EPA has delayed responding to Louisian's request for building a berm to protect the coast.

The Administration initially ignored the emergency response plan in place.

These are fair subjects for criticism.

Most importantly, these examples also fit with other earlier instances of the President taking much too long to make decisions. (Healtcare/Afghanistan/whether to try Terrorists in NYC)

It's fair to question whether President Obama has the ability to make tough decisions quickly. Certainly, his background as a law professor didn't prepare him for that role. We all know professors who talk and analyze long past its time for action.

The President has been talking a lot about lawsuits and BP's legal liability, which befits his legal background. There will, however, be plenty of time for law suits, which will probably take ten years to resolve. We hope the President will focus now on things that can be done today, such as speeding up things like EPA approvals processes.

These are legitimate concerns.

All Presidents have weaknesses. No one starts out being fully prepared for the job of President. Whether they grow and change in response to the demands of the job usually determines whether they fail or succeed. The verdict is still out on President Obama's abilty to make decisios quickly and take action.

This weakness could come back to haunt us in foreign policy if North Korea or Iran think they can act quickly and present us with a fait accompli before the President acts.


Posted by: jfv123 | June 2, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Penguins cued.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAMkggHmRUw

Posted by: MsJS | June 2, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that Reich's argument for Obama taking over BP under receivership has one major disadvantage, primarily political. Those that are prone to blame him for the sun rising in the east would then be able to point their fingers and say 'it's *all* your fault'. I'm assuming (correct me if I err) that BP would still be financially and otherwise liable? (Hope that's my last stupid question of the evening.)

Posted by: talitha1 | June 2, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

SciTim, I agree with you. The comparison kind of left me with my mouth open staring at the screen for the utter stupidity. The gist of the comment was complaining that Obama wasn't doing anything, the right wing nut job part was complaining that no one was making a big stink about this apparent gov't failure like Katrina. Both parts boggle the mind.

My point was that there is no other major action that gov't and/or Obama should be doing about the situation that they aren't. Improving regulation, debating future policy, etc. can come later, in the aftermath. But really, I'm not sure there's much more he can (or should) do right now.

Upon prodding, the Facebook buddy's only real complaint was that Obama came out and said that he still thinks offshore drilling should be included in future energy policy. He thought that was in poor taste. In other words, he really had nothing concrete to complain about.

I'd be interested in knowing what all these journalists think he ought to be doing. What are their suggestions? A slightly better flow of information to the public would be nice, but to a certain extent I think that the real kink in that is BP, the ones with the control of the information. After all, even the gov't people decried the lack of real-time camera footage. Is it simply that he's not all fire and brimstone, but is calm?

Posted by: MoftheMountain | June 2, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Maybe our hunger for drama is among the childish things we should set aside.

Posted by: dollarwatcher | June 2, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

But jfv123, quick decisions (and instant gratification) are not necessarily the best or most efficacious. Obama has told us (we who actually listen to him) that he has been at the problem from the beginning.

It really is quite insane that people are not willing to let him even take a bathroom break. There are many problems that take an inordinate amount of time to solve, much less detect. Again **** happens, and a lot happens behind the scenes at the WH. It continues to amuse me that the people who say they don't have enough information from the President, turn around after he delivers it with the complaint that he gave them *too much* information.

Now, where did I put that key to the cave . . . .

Posted by: -ftb- | June 2, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse


If Warpresident Bush were still in office, he would have been out sailing the high seas with a "Mission Accomplished" banner halfway through the top-kill fiasco.

Posted by: motorfriend | June 2, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse


Heck, he made a second trip to the Gulf for an "I feel your oil" photo op. What else does Joel want? Will the president jumping up and down or pounding on a podium make engineering one mile underwater more effective?

Posted by: edbyronadams | June 2, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Game 3 of the Stanley Cup Final starts in about two hours.

http://www.windycitizen.com/chicago/chicago-blackhawks/2010/06/01/bloody-blackhawks-fountain-at-daley-plaza-pics

Posted by: MsJS | June 2, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Just like it was always about President Bush...
hey obama how does it feel...
after all you were part of that...
and what was good for him, is good for you...
enjoy...

Posted by: DwightCollins | June 2, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

If you spend all your time answering wingnuts who wins?

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 2, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Soon we will read on sciencedaily about some gene that inactivates appreciation of irony.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 2, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse


this is for edbyronadams, who seems to need assistance in reading the Achenblog:


http://comics.com/affiliate/washington_post/?ComicID=70

Posted by: nellie4 | June 2, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

The biggest buffoon comment ever, by the BP CEO. This one might actually get him the boot.

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Under-fire BP chief executive Tony Hayward issued an apology Wednesday for saying in an interview that he would "like my life back," as a massive oil spill wreaks devastation along the Gulf coast.

"I made a hurtful and thoughtless comment on Sunday when I said that 'I wanted my life back,'" Hayward said in a post to BP America's Facebook page.

"When I read that recently, I was appalled. I apologize, especially to the families of the 11 men who lost their lives in this tragic accident," he said.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 2, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of "Bull" "drama" or no "drama ?" how about "competent or not competent."

You can't have it both ways, and hide in the White House waiting for something good to happen ( which it hasn't) and jump up to take credit for it, then point fingers and blame everyone else when things go wrong.

BP is an International oil company based in London, and could give a damn about the Gulf or our coastlines, it is our Country, coastlines, and environment, and yes it would be nice to have a President who had the gonads to act like it was his too.

Posted by: jjoyce6018 | June 2, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Let us all remember the adage:

When in worry, when in doubt, flap your arms and scream and shout

There, now, *I* feel better now.

And to jjoyce6018 -- when Obama acts like the United States is his country, too, people like you don't like that, either. Poor puppy can't catch a break from you maroons. Which is why all his work and discussion of same is over your head.

To MSJS and dbG, I'll be watching SYTYCD tonight in lieu of "the game" -- Ah, sweet Stanley Cup. And in that vein, Nicklas Lidström is coming back next season at the ripe old (young to people such as me) age of 40. Geez, I can barely remember that age, yanno.

Is the bunker set for the potential onslaught?

Posted by: -ftb- | June 2, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

"Rule one in American politics:
It's always about the president."

You forgot a line:

Unless you're talking abourt George W. Bush.

As we all know and have heard repeatedly, Bush wasn't ever responsibile for anything, so if you're talking about ANYTHING that happened while the 2 oil men, Bush and Cheney, were in office, just remember -- blame President Obama.


Posted by: lindalovejones | June 2, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Of course (as if it has to be mentioned *here*), Nicklas Lidström is returning to the Detroit Red Wings -- I really needed to take attention away from the Blackhawks and Flyers in this year's finals. Really, I did.

*contrite (with a sorta smile) posture*

Posted by: -ftb- | June 2, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Jjoyce, jjoyce, jjoyce...what and when did Obama jump up and take credit for something he had no hand in, let alone a guiding hand? I must have missed that. Also, BP is BP America, a US corporation based out of Texas. At some point here, there's a pretty good chance they're going to go down like the rig they were standing on. If BP America walks away from this, who will step in? I don't think anyone's going to pick up that little piece of real property off the bankruptcy auction block.

A quick primer in international affairs would surely change your post as to the consequences that have and will continue to rain down on BP PLC. They care what happens. Their reputation is shot, their credibility right down there around zero, and I'm guessing other countries aren't going to be too eager to allow them drilling rights off of their shores anytime soon unless and until they play this out to the end.

Finally, I'm not sure what makes you think Obama doesn't care about our country, coastlines, and environment, or what constitutes 'acting like it'.


Posted by: LostInThought | June 2, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey folks, Robert Reich earns an EPIC FAIL for his nuclear plant analogy, in so many ways... *SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 2, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Flipping between the game and SYTYCD, and interesting combo.

Been trying to remember what role the President of the day played during the Exxon Valdez spill. The people complaining about his inaction here, are they they same ones that complain about big government, regulations, interference in private industry?

Posted by: dmd3 | June 2, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Robert Reich falls into the same category as Paul Krugman in my book. I do not like either one of them.

They call for "solutions" that don't solve underlying problems. They call for the same solution to everything: more government control in Reich's case, and more government spending in Krugman's case.

They are no better than the guys on the right that call for tax cuts to solve everything.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 2, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama Double Standard Disease is alive and well the mentally challenged have found their messiah.

When the economy recovered under President George W. Bush, the major news media pronounced it a "jobless recovery." Now, despite unemployment stalled at 9.7 percent for several months, the same media call it a "surprising" or "unexpected" recovery.

Obama urged passage of an $800 billion "stimulus" package to prevent unemployment from reaching 8 percent. Post-stimulus-passage, unemployment reached 10 percent ?

The same media says "nothing" and no one knows where all the money went, but we know where it didn't go.

Obama has discovered that the Gitmo detainees are REALLY dangerous, what a shock, still open non-story.

Obama opens up his own secret war giving the military the power to conduct secret operations worldwide, non-story

The 1000th casualty passes almost unnoticed in the media in Afghanistan, no boots in the streets, no pictures from Dover, or embedded reporters ?

Obama leaves Chicago to visit Louisiana to see the most disastrous oil spill in American history and is back in Chicago playing basketball by 3:30 in the afternoon.

Obama continues to tell us that the feds can save us, manage our health, environment, major industries, and deliver us to Utopia, but oh the oil spill ? uh we don't have the knowledge, technology, or people to do anything about that

The Obama Double Standard Disease is a left wing pre-existing condition, unfortunately not covered by ObamaCare.

Dream on sheeple, way too funny !

Posted by: jjoyce6018 | June 2, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

It was President Bush who gave the order that let them drill. I'm guessing you voted for his gonads, no?

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 2, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Ms jjoyce in order to safe the situation with the oil spill - wouldn't Obama have to control a major industry/company?

Posted by: dmd3 | June 2, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, sheeple. I think we should set up a huge cage match between everyone who routinely uses "sheeple" and everyone who routinely uses "rethuglicans". I'd pay to watch that.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 2, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

dpk01, thanks for your excellent comment! Lurkers should jump in without hesitation. I know it can be odd because so many of the boodlers seem to know one another to the point that you almost wonder if sometimes they meet for beers. BUT...this is an open forum for everyone. We obviously have rules of civility -- if you put it in your mouth you can't try to hide it in your napkin, etc. No sniveling. Guffaws in moderation -- you know the drill.

About Obama: I think he should not listen to pundits or handlers or media strategists but should just follow his instincts on this. If he puts on scuba gear that's a fatal mistake - I assume that point weakly emanated from the kit above. That said, MoDo's general point -- that he hasn't really figured out what to say and how and when etc. -- is probably true. The blowout has created a sense of national anxiety and I think he's still figuring out how to address it. I also think, and this is the real point of this item, that it's NOT all about the president, but right now it's about the ROVs a mile down.

Posted by: joelache | June 2, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

And don't miss dpk01's excellent hypothesis on why Biden is MIA:


VP Biden may be on probation and/or in the doghouse for pulling the old "I'm just stretching, wait, there's my arm around your shoulders" move on the First Lady, seen here at around 0:55 through 1:01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwuG-f3kHE0

in full view of President Obama.

Posted by: dkp01 | June 2, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DNA_Girl | June 2, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think Krugman's OK and have come to appreciate Reich. Often don't particularly agree with them, but they're thoughtful. That joelache guy is similar, although I agree with him more often and he's a much better (and more often amusing) wordsmith than either of them.

Posted by: Bob-S | June 2, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

That's an excellent point Joel, about Obama not having found the right words. I just question if there are any right words. There isn't much that he can say to really make me feel better.

Later, when things are better resolved he can speak to rebuilding, clean-up, and the need to keep things like this from happening again. But right now I'm afraid there isn't much to say beyond platitudes.


Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 2, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Totally changing the subject, Ken Griffey, Jr. retired from baseball today. Best wishes to him!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/02/AR2010060204410.html?hpid=artslot

Posted by: -pj- | June 2, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Amazing. Armando Galarraga had a perfect game with one out left. Got a grounder, infielder threw over, and the runner beat it out. Early reports is that replays showed he was out.

That'll get some play tomorrow or later tonight. Woulda been the third perfecto of the year.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 2, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people are going after Obama because their hatred, ideological and otherwise, for the man crowds out much of anything else.

But I also think some are going after Obama out of frustration. That there really isn't much of anything to do but sit, wait, and hope the freakin' saw doesn't get caught again is hard to accept.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 2, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I've been trying to look back; it appears that some of the pundits calling for Obama to emote now, ridiculed him when he did so, expressing "outrage" at scurrilous bankers.

I don't get it.

Posted by: Yoki | June 2, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

steveboyington, "S" has been ranting about that umpire's call for the past half hour. The runner was definitely out and the ump blew it big time, according to "S". Darn shame as it was the final out (or should have been).

RD, I think you're right about frustration being the reason for all the uproar towards Obama, gotta blame someone, so we blame the guy in charge. I can't even get an image in my head of Obama losing his temper. And it's the least productive thing he could do anyway. I'd rather have a cool head in charge rather than someone who is out of control.

Posted by: badsneakers | June 2, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

sboyington - Wow! If we get another few of these this season, there will be much wailing, rending of garments, and gnashing of teeth by traditionalists.

Maybe Strasburg can throw a couple in his first month for the Nationals. As long as he works efficiently and keeps the pitch count low, they'd probably let him finish a perfect game.

Posted by: Bob-S | June 2, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I see that the Obama administration/federal agencies have allowed more sand berms to go forward and have ordered(?) BP to pay for them.

Ay caramba. I boldly predict that the chuckleheads who have been pitching a fit for these berms will be all over Obama in a month or so when it is apparent that the berms are useless.

They will criticize him for spending so much money on something as stupid as berms.... after hollering for weeks that what we need is berms.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 2, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Many people who voted for Obama, especially independents, would like him to be more like his parallel universe twin, who is keeping his campaign promises and being a bold leader, for positive changes people can believe in.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | June 2, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Bob-S-, I am so pulling for Strasburg AND Aroldis Chapman. Those two franchises need some sizzle. I have become a mini-fan of the Nationals.

Not just because I have Ryan Zimmerman and Adam Dunn on my roto team either. Okay, it is because of that.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 2, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all. Thanks joel for the pointed humor, and thanks everyone else, especially ScienceTim and RD, for expressing my umbrage so well I need not repeat it. Feh.

Howdy to dpk (hope I got that right, not scrolling up again). I like the idea of sending Biden down there. Let him talk, open mike, no handlers, as long as he wants. They'll be begging Obama to come in and not say anything (and I like our Veep).

Our houseguests are gone and, a large sum of money later, our water well has a new pump and we have water again. At least it was at the beginning of the month.

I spent today and will return tomorrow to an excellent conference, the 23rd Soveriegnty Symposium for tribal/state/federal government affairs. It is an amazing experience.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 2, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

When they build the berms, can they please do me a favor and mount a "berm cam" with a sight line right down the berm?

It'll be fantastic watching when a Cat 3 Hurricane comes by. Plus, I'll get to use one of my favorite words in a sentence or two: asunder.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 2, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

According to the twitterverse... "Wikipedia says perfect games are actually twice as common as perfect games spoiled by the last out, so that was more exciting than you think"

Posted by: -TBG- | June 2, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I've been rereading Molly Ivins and wishing she was still around to provide commentary. Am glad that sanity still (mostly) prevails among the folks here and am fervently hoping that everyone in the Gulf (plus the shrimp, coral, dolphins, pelicans, and all the other plants and critters) make it through the next few months one way or another. And I am so glad President Obama is at the helm for all this, although why he wants to be is beyond me--but sometimes people just step up no matter what the personal cost, don't they?

Posted by: AgAnnie | June 2, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Glad you've got water, Ivansmom! And that constitutional stuff is fascinating, isn't it?

Posted by: Yoki | June 2, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Griffey's retirement was breaking news here - I thought the crawl on the TV was for severe weather, but no...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2012015906_griffey03.html

The Seattle Times home page has a nice pic.

The best time for Mariner baseball was when Griffey was young, Randy Johnson was pitching, Omar Vizquel was at short, Edgar Martinez was the DH (I know, I know), Tino Martinez was at first. And tickets were plentiful and cheap (free, even).

Posted by: seasea1 | June 2, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

And McCartney at the White House -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/02/AR2010060202527.html?hpid=artslot

Posted by: seasea1 | June 2, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Using a super-high-resolution model of Gulf storm surges to predict where oil will go:

http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/06/where-is-the-oil-headed.html

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | June 2, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Yoki, having water is a good thing. The constitutional stuff is fascinating, as is the economic, political and legal interplay between and among soveriegn nations. Hereabouts we are familiar with this because we have 39 federally recognized tribes; together they are the third largest employer in the state and some have budgets as large as or larger than state gummint. They can be really good partners.

steveboyington, "Let horrid jargon split the air, and drive the nerves asunder; let hateful discord greet the ear, as terrible as thunder." Those are the lyrics to a Billings choral piece we sang in concert this past Sunday. He wrote it in response to critics who said his music was too pretty. It is full of atonality and dissonance, and its like was not heard again until the 20th century. It is very like Ives.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 2, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Come on, are we asking Obama to lead. If it doesn't have to do with reform, regulations and forcing social justice down our throats he's not interested. The oil spill is throwing his social justice agenda off schedule. This basketball president would rather be golfing, playing basketball, eating hamburgers, attacking profits, attacking everything about this country, calling the Tea Partiers racist, selling his health care and claiming he likes the free market. There's one thing he likes about the oil spill. Obama did say there might be criminal charges against BP. Of course.

Posted by: houstonian | June 2, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

As the saying goes: "When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!" At least that is what Joel Achenbach seems to be advocating from our President. That is simply is not President Obama's style. Nor should it be. We had quite enough of that with Bush. Drama, as Achenbach calls it, is never the answer, especially when the alternative is being level headed in a crisis. It's as if Achenbach himself wrote this article in a panic. Its embarrassing and is certainly the wrong advise.

Posted by: vortex1001 | June 2, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

As the saying goes: "When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!" At least that is what Joel Achenbach seems to be advocating from our President. That is simply is not President Obama's style. Nor should it be. We had quite enough of that with Bush. Drama, as Achenbach calls it, is never the answer, especially when the alternative is being level headed in a crisis. It's as if Achenbach himself wrote this article in a panic. It's embarrassing and is certainly the wrong advise.

Posted by: vortex1001 | June 2, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh dear.

vortex1001, I believe your heart is in the right place. But recognize irony, please. Please! Joel is not advocating running about. He's teasing those who do. Got it?

Posted by: Yoki | June 2, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Aaaah, an attack of the humorless. Irony is dead, man.

Did anyone else see the story about the woman suing Google because Google Maps told her to walk down a highway, she did, and she was hit by a car?

Time for bed. Vaya con queso, y'all, buenos gnocchis and fondue.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 2, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Ever since the Presidency became a Hollywood Production with the advent of Ronald Reagan, the movie star, as President, the media has been unable to require anything less than Hollywood Moments.
W. got it. Why else did he fly onto an aircraft carrier which had been turned in just the right direction for the light to hit it at the end of a golden day and march off that plane in his flight suit?
Republicans, since Reagan, have ALWAYS understood that governing is in the eye of the beholder. They do what they do to effect the direction of the country outside the eye of the beholder.
Obama is NOT an actor. He only presents himself as himself. And, every Democrat who tries to be an actor fails completely every single time.
Democrats are stuck in a long ago time when elected representatives actually legislated laws and things. Republicans only do ORDERS. Legislation is the worst thing for Republicans because philosophically they already know what is best for the whole country. Who needs "legislation" when God can tell you what to do. Er, God and certain un-named corporations.
In the meantime, the Republicans will continue to demand a minstral dance from our current President.

Posted by: cms1 | June 2, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

mercury blues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovomUNSo_uo

norton buffalo harp solo.

Posted by: -jack- | June 2, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I can't get it jack. I will assume it is amazing.

Posted by: Yoki | June 2, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

not really amazing, just simple enough that i can play it. another link, but rather bad audio. try googling the title with steve miller band in front of the query and it'll come up with about 3 diff iterations. david lindley's is interesting. a lot faster. i'd like to hear junior brown give it a go.

Posted by: -jack- | June 3, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

duh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuIQVN-H8wk

Posted by: -jack- | June 3, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Awesomest, jack.

Posted by: Yoki | June 3, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

like i said, slow enough that i can keep up with my tin ear. can't read, yanno.

Posted by: -jack- | June 3, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

A great duet with Lindley and Ry Cooder on Mercury Blues (although the video is kind of pointless).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPpJYvLsBco&feature=related

Posted by: rashomon | June 3, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

LOLz.

Ain't the Boodle a fabulous place?

Posted by: Yoki | June 3, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

The first car I ever bought was a 1969 Buick.

*Awesome.*

Posted by: Yoki | June 3, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

my bro had a 68 skylark custom droptop like this

http://www.gtmotorcars.com/pictures/68bgs7cov.jpg

except bamboo yellow with a black top/int. dropped a gs powerplant and drivetrain into it, then had to sell it. the fortunate thing is that there are others like it out there asking for a restoration.

Posted by: -jack- | June 3, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

This is the closest pic I can find, but mine was not quite that; sad private-garage blue, old, used.

But still, such a car!

Posted by: Yoki | June 3, 2010 1:36 AM | Report abuse

If this is the kind of advice Obama is getting, no wonder his approval ratings are going down.

What Obama, and America, needs here is a solution.

This isn't a "spin" situation. This is a "do" situation.

Posted by: Benson | June 3, 2010 3:26 AM | Report abuse

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/02/what-if-the-oil-just-kept-flowing/

The last graf of this Revkin rehash adds perspective and a potentially positive futurity to the present angst. Save for the shrimpers

Good morning. The worms are delicious at this hour.

Posted by: shilohgun | June 3, 2010 5:25 AM | Report abuse

Been looking at the rumors about Collegiate Sports Conference changes. There are some interesting sports implications.

Posted by: russianthistle | June 3, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

Bob-S-, that was a horrible call on the perfect game runner.

I've played baseball a lot and umpired some. Typically you are taught to watch one thing and listen for the other. Watch the runners foot and listen to the smack of the ball in the mitt, or vice versa. If you do that, it is really hard to mess up the call.

He did. He admitted it at least.

Nothing on the diamond is quite as annoying as beating out an infield hit or a bunt and being called out. As a pitcher, it is brutal when the other thing happens.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 3, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that the WP felt it necessary or desirable to hire yet another hack on to their editorial staff ?

Posted by: rbe1 | June 3, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Well, at least some people have retained their sanity in this situation:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/us/03nuke.html

I wonder if MLB will start checking pitchers for holographic projectors or neutrino-packed baseballs. Three perfectos (I mean, c'mon, ya gotta give props to Galarraga, he did everything he could have, right?) in less than a month?

*almost-to-the-weekend Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 3, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Scotty, on cue, see you decided to hang up the baseball glove yesterday at the tender age of 40?

Posted by: russianthistle | June 3, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

I hung up my baseball glove a lot earlier than that, Weed. I kid, of course, I saw Griffey read the writing on the wall.

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 3, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm also pretty upset that as part of the Neo-Con Retirement Home And Welfare Aid Society, WaPo hired torture architect Marc Thiessen, but I have no idea what that has to do with Obama and the oil spill. Unless Barack plans on sending BP executives to Gitmo.

Speaking of the Op/Ed page, we have dueling editorials on the SCOTUS. Dionne basically channels Souter taking potshots at Scalia and 'strict constructionists.'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/02/AR2010060203496.html

While George makes some rambling point about Princeton grads.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/02/AR2010060203278.html

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

The curse of Muldoon.

Posted by: teddymzuri | June 3, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all.

Warm muffins, coffee and OJ on the table.

Game 3 was a physical game, won in OT by the Flyers. Blackhawk penalty killing not up to snuff and it cost them.

Emotions and frustrations are running high over the oil spill. Irony is often lost under such circumstances. So is humor.

steveb, what sort of contest should we hold for the sheeple vs. rethuglicans faceoff? I was thinking Tug-of-War over a mudhole, or maybe bumper cars.

BP is now featuring multiple live spillcam feeds.

Totally awesome day here. Must get out and enjoy.

Posted by: MsJS | June 3, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle.

yello, those aren't "editorials"; they are columns and/or "op-ed" columns. Only the editorial board under Fred Hiatt write what are properly called "editorials," which speak for the WaPo itself. Columns by Dionne, or Will or whomever, don't speak for the paper.

rber, which particular hack did you have in mind? But to answer your question, this is all the doing of Marcus Broccli, who was brought in after Len Downey retired. Broccli came from the Wall Street Journal, which ought to tell you something right there. I've never seen it baldly stated, but it is my belief that he has been attempting to increase readership and fighting off the WashTimes by catering quite strongly to the right wing/conservs by adding all these conservative columnists: Gerson, Parker, Thiessen, Ponnuru, the whole new gang over the last few years. I think he has done this in some sort of effort to dispell the notion that the WaPo is a "leftwing" or "liberal" newspaper. It is kind of the idea that if the WaPo has, say, 10 leftish/liberal columnists and 10 rightish/conserv columnists, then that represents some sort of "fair and balanced" commentary. My own view is that this attempt doesn't fool the right/conservs, who will never agree to the theory, and simply pisses off all us center/lefties, but I'd have to look at the circ numbers to tell if the strategy was working or not. The problem there is that circ has been dying all across the board anyway, and what Brocchli et al. have to try to figure out is whether the attempt has hastened decline, or ameliorated it. Which I'd regard as virtually impossible to tell. It's like trying to determine the speed of the water that's circling the drain.

The other thing is to be able to differentiate between what Brocchli has been doing on the op-ed/editorial side, versus what has been going on in the newsroom-- the two are unrelated. But most people don't know or don't care about such technical distinctions as the lines get blurrier and blurrier; journalists and a few others do, though.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Are we going to look back at the good times with George Bush. Obama is starting to make us wish that things in the past were better than now. The question of are we better today than four years ago?

Does look like we should be asking such a question but with the next election coming up in November it is likely to occur. If Obama party loses control of with senate or house look for Obama become a do nothing president for the next two years. Obama than can be our next Carter.

Posted by: artg | June 3, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

MsJS, the contest answer is easy:

Mudfight.

Oh, wait, you meant as an alternative... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 3, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

'Morning everybody. I'm up to page 345 and don't want to stop reading but am trying to pace myself. This will be helped today by having to babysit the granddaughters for the afternoon. Hope the weather holds so we can get outside, maybe to the local pond.

Had homegrown lettuce with dinner last night - so tender and delicate!

Posted by: badsneakers | June 3, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Artg, there were good times under W?

Posted by: -dbG- | June 3, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

It's only natural that we're frustrated by Obama's "passivity" or "inaction": this is the kind of situation that allows for very little intervention by anyone other than those most immediately involved. Human nature makes us want to do something, anything, to fix the problem, even if that isn't effective or justified. So many times when I'm stuck in traffic, I'll bail out and take an alternate route that I KNOW is longer and won't get me where I'm going any sooner -in fact, it may actually take longer, even allowing for the traffic. Why? Because I'm "doing something" about my situation: psychologically, I feel better about moving at 30 mph than just creeping along at 5-10 mph, regardless of the increased travel time/distance.

I agree with Science Tim that Obama appears to be doing the adult thing here: thinking before acting, IF any actions on his part are warranted. I'm sure if he had any evidence suggesting that running in circles, screaming and shouting would stop the oil leak and clean up the mess, he'd be first in line to do just that.

Posted by: lee54 | June 3, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Sorry... writo

Posted by: russianthistle | June 3, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

And, well, *of course* that botched umpire call last night would have been made against my Detroit Tigers! Can't catch a break, yanno. However, I found it quite admirable -- not to mention rare -- that the umpire not only apologized for his mistake, he made sure that he apologized directly to the pitcher. Not only did he take responsibility, but he actually *acted* as if he took responsibility instead of merely mouthing the words, like sooooo many people. He is likely to carry the burden of his mistake for a long time.

And, now, on to that pesky conference call. Cya later.

Posted by: -ftb- | June 3, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Sneaks, that book is truly addictive, isn't it?

Posted by: -ftb- | June 3, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

The orators of ancient Greece and Rome already knew that political rhetoric was about emotion, not reason, and nothing about it has changed since then. Yes, logically Obama would be right to remain calm and to try to keep emotion, especially anger, out from policy decisions he must make but, as a practical matter he better come up with some theatrics to placate the public.

I do not feel sorry for him. Although there is not much he can really do now he should have from the start of his administration been cleaning house of Bush Administration corporatist flunkies from all the regulatory agencies. I believe he failed to do so because he was and still is clinging to a quixotic hope of seducing Republicans into an era of cordial bipartisanship. Silly Obama. Can't he see that the Republican party is in the grip of extremist elements and cannot possibly cooperate?

Posted by: Adam_Smith | June 3, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

WE NEED A BIG PUSH FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INTO RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT OF CLEAN SUSTAINABLE ENERGY.

ENVIRONMENTALISTS TRIED TO WARNED US ABOUT THIS SPILL HAPPENING. . . . . . Indeed, they fought deep water drilling tooth and nail. But what were they? . . these environmentalists.

They were laughed at, mocked, and noses were thumbed at them. They were “butterfly chasers,” they were “Chicken Littles.” . . . . And what is more, everything they had to say is nonsense, a hoax, the demented imagination of distorted minds. . . . . . . . . . Moreover, Al Gore is an opportunistic quack, and global-warming is a myth. . . . . So we said.

Oil Corporations now say that, “they were pushed into the deep water by environmentalists.” . . . . . Lies, lies, and more lies. Around the shallow waters of the Gulf of Mexico, most of the best oil fields were already drilled. The Oil Corporations were greedy for the oil rich fields in the deep waters. They were more than happy to be “pushed” out deeper, “Please don’t throw us into that briar patch.”

Go ahead and mock those environmentalists now, they who fought to stop the deep water drilling. . . . . Did we not exclaim at them how many oil wells had so few leaks, didn’t we tell them that they were “Gloom and doomers,” that we had no fear, for we were safely protected; and no Trojan Horse could penetrate our walls of technology?

And still, they tried to warn us. It matters not that a thousand wells have been successful. “All it takes is one,” they told us.

They warned us – all it takes is one, all it takes is one. And now their wisdom has been made plain. . . . . . . And what do we do? . . . . We mock them.

“We are greedy for oil,” we say. “There is little hope, unless it is fifty year hope, that a clean energy will come to our greedy rescue.” . . . . . . . . . . . “You are dreamers," we tell them, "butterfly chasers . . . oil is the only way. . . . . And the free market is our god.”

. . . . . . . . . . . . . And so that now still, we laugh at them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~```````


This is a Greek Tragedy. . . . . . After long fighting against the prophecies of doom, we have brought the Wooden Horse within our walls, the iron girders of the oil rig into our city. . . . . . Did not the environmental prophets warns us. One even threw a spear and struck the Wooden Horse, the iron girder. And we heard a voice within cry out in alarm!!! – fearful of discovery.

“It is the wind,” we said, “nothing more than the wind.” . . . . . . . . . . . And we sent serpents to devour the environmentalists.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``````````

Obama should have moved faster and . . . TAKEN A FLAMETHROWER TO WHAT THE REPUBLICANS DID, AND CORRECTED THEIR MISTAKES.

Posted by: Here2day | June 3, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

A much bigger crisis is looming. Keyboard manufacturing quality has been slipping precipitously. So many stuck CAP LOCK keys.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Yikes, I think I have a headache from the yelling ;-)

ftb, yes it's addictive. I am enthralled by the intricacy of the plot. My only quibble is, and it's my problem really not the author's, all the Swedish names, some of which are similar, make me stop and go back to be sure I know who is being referenced. It's killing me that this is the last book!

Posted by: badsneakers | June 3, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Hey, y'all.

Thad Allen giving live press conference on the riser cap installation effort. Cable TV carrying it - choose your "favorite."

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Fred Hiatt more than Broccoli has been the instrumental agent of change on the Opinion page which predates Marcus's term. Under his reign the 'official' WaPo position supported the Iraq invasion and we see how that turned out. He has been using the page as a refuge for discredited and/disgraced neocons for many, many years. Why else would WaPo pick up Bill Kristol after he bombed so badly at NYT?

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Sneaks. I guess I have the advantage that I lived over there in the mid 1970s, so I know who these people are/were. I'm also very familiar with Stockholm and where the streets are (and I've been on them, and can see them in my mind's eye). It's been going on 7 years since I've been over there, and this whole series and the first movie have awaken some incipient "homesickness" in me.

We definitely want more, don't we???

Posted by: -ftb- | June 3, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

BP now has links to all ten ROVs but you have to pick and choose among them.

http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=9033572&contentId=7062605

Some enterprising web-developer needs to create a page for all ten links so that the action can all be tracked on a single screen.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

talitha, Allen's briefings with the press are now daily events. Yesterday the Coast Guard removed the BP logo from the front of the podium, and BP does not participate.

This is apparently being done by the Obama administration to "control the message."

Posted by: MsJS | June 3, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I know, bad. According to an Internet interview with Larsson's father, Stieg's long-time girlfriend has about 250 pages of a fourth novel.

And I think Larsson has put a very hidden piece of "homage" in the trilogy, as many writers often do (Robert Crais and Michael Connelly do this to each other all the time). One of the characters in the third book is Frederik Clinton, once a high-ranking intell chief and now brought out of retirement as Gullberg's successor. I've often raved that my no. 3 all-time fav spy/thriller writer is the Brit Anthony Price. In many of Price's spy novels featuring David Audley and Colonel Butler, the former intell chief who first recruited Audley and Butler, and set up their department was...Frederick Clinton.

Some stuff from this Web site: sallysfriends.net

"Before he died Stieg Larsson had finished – according to most newspaper articles, I’ve read – approx. 200 pages of a script for a 4th Millennium book. He had also made outlines for a 5th and 6th book and planned a total of 10 books in the series....

"There seems to be a little controversy as to how far Stieg Larsson actually had come with Millennium 4, though. Just one month before his death Larsson himself wrote in an e-mail to his friend, John Henri-Holmberg:

“I can also tell you that I’m 320 pages into Salander four and hope to be ready in December. According to the synopsis it is going to be 440 pages. I guess that means it will end up being about 600 pages or so. I’m done with the beginning, the end and I have the episodes in the middle left to write.”

The Battle for the Lost Script

"As you probably know – since it has been widely discussed in the press and on the Internet – the sad aftermath of Stieg Larsson’s death was an inheritance row. Stieg Larsson lived for 32 years with the architect Eva Gabrielsson. They never married, had no children and he did not leave a will. According to Swedish law Stieg Larsson’s estate was therefore inherited by his father and brother, which sparked an acrimonious dispute between them and Eva Gabrielsson who claimed that the father Erland Larsson and brother Joakim Larsson ”were never a part of our lives” and that they are unsuited to handling his estate."

more

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, MsJS. Yes, just catching up a bit.
The logo removal had me tittering.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

and:

"What’s the 4th Millennium book about?

There’s precious little public information available about Millennium 4. So little in fact that about the only thing I know for sure is that the 4th takes place in Canada’s arctic frontier – or at least a part of it takes place there. More precisely the location is set to be Sachs Harbour, on Banks Island in the far, far away Canadian Northwest Territories."

"This is about as far away from civilization as you can possibly come these days and I feel it’s safe to say that Stieg wanted a complete ‘fresh start’ after the events of Millennium 3: The Girl Who Kicked The Hornets’ Nest. In many ways Millennium 3 can be seen as a closure story – both for Salander and Blomkvist and their relationship. The trial is over, the bad guys are dead or in prison, the huge conspiracy related to Lisbeth’s past is unravelled, Lisbeth herself is redeemed and cleared of all accusations, and finally the pair – Sally and Micke – are renunited (sort of).

But to be honest, I think people who see Millennium 3 as a ‘natural closure’ have missed the point. Remember, the first book, The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, was also a ‘closed’ story, and the next two books make up one big, continuous story in two parts. I think that feels a lot more like a start – with a Big Bang – than a ‘closure’.

"In fact, the only reason we might feel forced to think of Millennium 3 as closure is, I believe, because we have no other choice. Larsson is no longer with us here on Earth and the story cannot continue. However, from what we know it was slated for a very natural continuation – and some of it would have been with a complete change of scene, as in remote Canadian frontier. Probably a wise choice, as a continuation of Swedish crime-conspiracy dramas in the 4th book, would presumably feel like a rehash of the previous books. Sally and Micke would need to move on to new, international (?) adventures, different settings, different villains, and these would have to give some room for the characters to grow both individually and in relation to each other. Otherwise the new stories would become dull."

"A few titbits about book 4 – including the location – was mentioned in a 2008 Swedish documentary about the Larsson inheritance row, Updragg Granskning. You can watch the relevant part (# 2) the doc here on YouTube (it is in 6 parts). Just remember to bring your Swedish dictionary, as the programme is not subtitled.

Is the 4th book really the 5th??

"A final note of interest for now: Danish producer of the Millennium movies, Søren Stærmose, said during a press briefing in Italy: that Larsson’s close friend, Kurdo Baksi, had told him – Stæremose – that the lost script is actually for the 5th book and that “Larsson had more fun writing the 5th book”. You can watch the relevant part (2) of the entire press conference (in 7 parts) over on YouTube – or below. It is in English with translation to Italian."

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I often begin writing a list of dramatis personae when reading. It is worth the effort.

yellojkt, I just read the code for such a request you made. It's at 10:01 a.m.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6554#more

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 3, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

That's very interesting Mudge, I didn't know all the details on the Larsson story. I'll have to check it out later as I'm off to children sit (baby sit doesn't sound right when they're 9 and 11).

Posted by: badsneakers | June 3, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm amused and pleased to see that the BP site has claims forms in English, Spanish, and Vietnamese:

https://www.bp.com/secure/iframe.do?categoryId=9033799&contentId=7062420

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

I wonder if we can get James Cameron to produce and direct Kevin Costner in "Catastrophic: Dances with Executives and the Blogoworld in the Deepwater Oil Fields of Dreams - the President's Response towards Solutions in the Abyss."

It would be tempting to have Oliver Stone write the script, too.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | June 3, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, do you have the YouTube link for the interview in Swedish with no titles? I don't need no titles, right?

Posted by: -ftb- | June 3, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I have decided, Achenbach, that you really are a simple moron. You spew either whatever runs through your microscopic little brain or you regurgitate whatever someone with an agenda, any agenda, tells you. The bottom line is you don't invest much thought into what you write.

First it was that absolutely idiotic piece you wrote about how people in Louisiana have lived with oil wells for decades and how they love big oil and how they aren't too mad about the spill, blah blah blah. It all appeared to be based on some general store conversation with two redneck goobers who knew nothing and talked trash like the do-nothing idiots in the local barbershop. And now this nonsense you publish today.

You parrot the inane ramblings of a bunch of bloggers who want to blow off steam by saying the President needs to get angry. It's the same idiotic, thoughtless rush to put down something quasi-shocking and against the grain without bothering to think things through. You apparently have no ability to discern drivel and less concern about publishing it with your name on it. You have proven to be a waste of time yet again.

Posted by: joebanks | June 3, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm assuming LOTS of Vietnamese/Vietnamese-American shrimpers around those parts.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 3, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Jumper,
Works like a charm. Thanks. Oil Drum commenters are also saying that the Land Of The Giants garden shears have cut off the riser and the well is blowing like a mother since all the oil that had been going out the end is now blowing straight up.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Seems like joebanks got no sense o' humor.

*tsk* *tsk* *tsk*

Posted by: -ftb- | June 3, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Here is the WaPo article confirming that the riser has been sheared:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/03/AR2010060300416.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Joebanks, your reading comprehension skills are really abominable.

I don't know how to break this news flash to you, Joe, but the people of Louisiana HAVE lived with oil wells for decades. And, yanno, the way to find out what the locals think is to go down to the general store and talk to some redneck goobers, and report what they say.

There's a name for this kind of work, Joe. It's called "journalism," a.k.a. "reporting." If you don't like what the goobers down there say, well, that's on you. You apparently have no ability to discern your own drivel.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Jeepers Mr. Banks. If you are going to insult Joel, at least insult him on something he has actually done. Hoe isn't parroting the bloggers, he was challenging them.

And that article you read must have been different from the one I read.

Finally, if Joel is a waste of time for you to read, then by devoting more time to complaining about it you are doubling down. Which makes me question just how precious your time actually is.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 3, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

This is curious:

"Allen said the diamond saw apparently became stuck when it encountered a drill pipe inside the riser pipe leading from the gushing well."

So there were three pipes all one inside the other. The circular saw we saw a picture of yesterday was used to trim away smaller pipes. The wire saw was the one that got caught. My guess is that the drill pipe broke loose from inside the well and was bobbing too much to cut with the wire saw. So the brute force shears it was.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if anyone saw that other famous dead tree enterprise today, but the NYT has a lengthy front page article about the nuclear option for sealing the well.

Although there is next to zero chance of that being done, I find it interesting that people are now discussing it "out loud." It goes to show the level of desperation many are feeling for a solution. Also, I wonder how all those fisherpeople who ostensibly "still love the oil industry" would feel about BP giving them pre-irradiated seafood.

Posted by: Awal | June 3, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Here's the link to the first part, ftb, but I can't vouch for the translations. You can play it on the bottom of this page in English: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sallysfriends.net/Locations/Lisbeth_Salander_Miriam_Wu_enjoying_each_other.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sallysfriends.net/nest/millennium-locations-miriam-wus-apartment/&h=398&w=300&sz=45&tbnid=0DGVZq83gIZr5M:&tbnh=124&tbnw=93&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmiriam%2Bwu&usg=__AZj5JnZ2AQo4bKmeT_7dUkib99c=&ei=Bb8HTOoXg7zyBsSB6Y0B&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=5&ct=image&ved=0CB4Q9QEwBA

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm really nervous about this jagged edge business. My understanding is that the effectiveness of the cap is directly proportional to the smoothness of the cut.

Which makes me wonder, wouldn't it be possible to clean-up this cut a bit with the diamond wire saw? You know, by working around the perimeter a bit?

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 3, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I posted this link to a comic that explains "irony" yesterday. I guess Mr. Banks failed to see it, so I will post it again

http://comics.com/affiliate/washington_post/?ComicID=70

Oh wait. He DID see it and thinks it really is the definition of "irony." Sorry. Me bad.

Posted by: nellie4 | June 3, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

RIP "Golden Girl" Rue McClanahan, 76, from a stroke.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I think they are going with a new and different Top Cat rather than the full LMNOP to accommodate the jagged little pill. Methinks they are in a mighty big hurry to cap this off, raising my suspicion that the 20% flow increase prediction may be a little light. Not that it really matters at this point. The real key is getting something, anything to capture the oil before December.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Nellie, there are some "living historians" I know that are particularly tickled with the Pearls storyline.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Curmudgeon, journalism is about finding and confirming facts based on leg work and analysis, not regurgitating whining from a few local idiots and positing it as fact. Journalism is hard work and analysis, not gossip: clearly you think differently but you are not talking about a paper or a blog worth reading.

As for you, Mr. Padouk, I am ready to admit that your opinion gives Achenbach far more credit than I was willing to give. Perhaps you are right and there is a level of sarcasm here I hadn't recognized. But the laziness I have seen in much of Achenbach's reporting leads me to suspect otherwise. And tongue in cheek or not, I still think this is a piece of fluff and not a journalistic essay. You are however, absolutely right in questioning the value of my time as I obviously have much to waste.

Posted by: joebanks | June 3, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

joebanks (like our pal Gary Masters) isn't typically an extreme or unintelligent person. Just awfully defensive and a tad humor-challenged.

Posted by: bobsewell | June 3, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

RIP Rue McClanahan. Betty White will now have the Golden Girls' legacy on her very capable shoulders all alone. I loved Blanche. *sigh*

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Having said that, such humor-challenged individuals seldom have much to say that I find worth sitting through. There's usually someone funnier (who can actually, you know, write) saying the same thing much more palatably.

Posted by: bobsewell | June 3, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

joebanks, for you to lecture Curmudgeon, or Joel Achenbach, on the nature of journalism is like me lecturing Carl Sagan on how to do science. I might have a case to make, but I'd better back it up with a good bit of evidence because I totally lack any perception of superior authority.

Posted by: ScienceTim | June 3, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

... And the other burning questions... Did the cementers overdisplace? What was the ECD during the cement job? How does that compare with the shoe test? Did they have full returns, or did they frac the cement away? I'm sure we'll never get all of the answers, but hopefully enough to piece together the puzzle.

Posted by: Northern_Brewer | June 3, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Now here's someone I wish the Post had picked up:
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/the-new-york-times-to-host-political-polling-site-fivethirtyeight/?src=twt&twt=mediadecodernyt

Good for Nate.

Posted by: seasea1 | June 3, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Shoe test never got done, IIRC. There is your liability from deviating from generally accepted practice.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Oops I meant leakoff test when they drilled out the liner shoe above. Brain freeze there.

Posted by: Northern_Brewer | June 3, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Well I think Sagan could have gotten a lecture from you, Tim.

Last I saw, a few minutes ago, they were "trimming up" the cut with the rotary saw. Which I suspect is also a diamond saw.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 3, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

This was the week most people began the process of understanding, started to realize how bad this is going to be. Someday, the word "spill" will no longer be attached to this, just as Chernobyl did not "leak" radiation.

Soon, more people will come to the realization that the disaster is still just starting. When the oil stops flowing, then we can begin to learn how much came out, where it is and project where it will end up.

When it goes where it goes and does what it does, in spite of our best efforts, then we can implement plans for the aftermath.

All along BP has been implementing its own plan to control the discussion of its role, setting up a containment dome for the aftermath, which is not a crime, but it is evil.

I see BP turned off the live video feed since they cut the riser...that way they can sustain one meme: the flow out of the ground might increase by a maximum of 20% after they cut the crimp off the top.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm certain joebanks has copious examples of his own legwork and analysis, in the form of journalistic bylines somewhere.

Then again, I don't recall any such bylines... *rolling my eyes*

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 3, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Well, yes, Joe, you and I disagree about what journalism is. But let us consider this: I went to Journalism school, and have worked in the business, more or less, off and on, for 46 years now. And you are still humor-challeneged and have no reading comprehension skills. And you still seem to think there haven't been oil wells in Louisiana for decades. But I can personally attest that there were, because in 1966 when I was in the merchant marine, my tanker (which carried gasoline additives back and forth between the Dupont plant in Wilmington, Del. and refineries on the Sabine River and Houston ship channel in Texas) sailed among some offshore derricks, although there weren't nearly as many then as now. So I saw them with my own eyes in 1966.

Regarding going out and interviewing locals for whatever purpose (which you erroneously refer to quite incorrectly as "gossip"): you have your head lodged firmly up your butt. Not even a good try, frankly.

I'll give you this, though: your company makes good shirts. About newspapers you know nothing, and your opinion is worthless.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Something POTUS is doing (or his underlings anyway)-using considerable assets to track the oil in the gulf in real time. Mr. F, or more accurately people who have actual skills in this sort of thing who he happens to manage, are doing it. I am starting a pool on how long it takes for some pundit to say this is a dangerous undertaking because these assets are better tasked to watch cave entrances in Afghanistan.

Off to catch up. I cannot believe life is so often keeping me away from the boodle. It can't be a good thing from a mental health perspective.

Yes Mudge, which page? The embargo is killing me.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 3, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile tens of thousands of rig and support workers may have been put out of work by the moratorium on deepwater drilling. (Rigzone article)

Posted by: Northern_Brewer | June 3, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, you beat me to the clothing comment.

Joe, feel free to make yourself a hair-shirt.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | June 3, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama should put on a nice white shirt and a bowtie, serve drinks and commiserate with all the angrycons. That looks like it might make them happy.

Or he could keep on doing, you know, presidential stuff, and they can go to the local watering hole where a bartender can give them sympathetic outrage.

Posted by: qgaliana | June 3, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Closer look, saw doesn't look like any diamond blade I've seen. I must have been wrong.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 3, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Any way you look at this disaster, nobody wins, except maybe the lawyers.

Posted by: Northern_Brewer | June 3, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

'Zactly, Northern_Brewer. And welcome, BTW. Set a spell, woncha?

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 3, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Page 391, frosti. Plague found out who "Poison Pen" is.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I've been trying to get an after-the-fact study of the effect of the Iztoc spill on the Gulf. So far nothing that wasn't underwritten by an oil company.

Anyone got a good link to one? I have to think that either the oil and damage in that one was more centralized and therefore easier to clean up, or the vast horrific effects were somewhat short-lived.

I'd love to find something that spells out the long-term effects.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 3, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

A link to a study on the iXtoc spill would be good too.

Honestly, I spelled it right when I was searching earlier.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 3, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

joebanks, I don't think the commenters at the Achenblog, or Joel his own self, have any objection to your pointing out (even in strong-ish language) shortcomings in his writings. But a general "you suck cuz you don't know what you're doing as a writer" is pretty weak, with lots of counterexamples available. You'll definitely have to step up your game.

Posted by: bobsewell | June 3, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

This falls into the realm of stupid, mind-boggling stupid waste of column space and band-width when one considers the enormity of the crisis and the duty a newspaper has to inform the public of what is happening. Yes, there should be people at BP who should be fired, people in MMS that should be fired, and people at newspapers who should be fired for wasting everyone's time and still collecting paychecks. You people fired Froomkin and give us this for coverage? This whole planet needs to be re-tooled because the one we got going is dysfunctional to the point of lunacy.

Posted by: SarahBB | June 3, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"...nobody wins..."

Does not have to be that way.
We could do a bio-fuel Manhattan project,
we could do all kinds of great things to create a better future. This whole "live for the moment" thing was a huge mistake.

It may help individuals (people who worry about things they can not change), but it is a terrible way for whole cultures not just to think, but act.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Today is funny.

Posted by: teddymzuri | June 3, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Steve, I think the Timor Sea blowout is going to be a better choice, perhaps a more analogous set of circumstances, but at least the science part (the aftermath is just now being studied), might actually exist.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Shrink's comment at 12:27, "This was the week most people began the process of understanding . . . " the oil spill long reaching severity, sent me backboodling through the archives.

Joel's first related kit was on April 30th, unless I'm missing something. Reading it and 'boodle commentary on that and subsequent days might lead some of our visitors to a deeper understanding of Mr.A's prodigious journalist skills. Other lessons might await them if they wipe off their dirty lenses.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Shrink's comment at 12:27, "This was the week most people began the process of understanding . . . " the oil spill long reaching severity, sent me backboodling through the archives.

Joel's first related kit was on April 30th, unless I'm missing something. Reading it and 'boodle commentary on that and subsequent days might lead some of our visitors to a deeper understanding of Mr.A's prodigious journalist skills. Other lessons might await them if they wipe off their dirty lenses.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Steve, here's some non-oil company references from wikipedia. Don't know how useful they are, but they aren't oil company agitprop:

Linda Garmon (25 October 1980). "Autopsy of an Oil Spill". Science News 118 (17): pp. 267–270.

"Ixtoc I Oil Spill Economic Impact Study" (PDF). Bureau of Land Management. pp. 4-6. http://www [dot]gomr.mms [dot] gov/PI/PDFImages/ESPIS/3/3930 [dot] pdf.

Emergency Response Division, Office of Response and Restoration, National Ocean Service. "Ixtoc I". IncidentNews. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, US Department of Commerce. http [colon] //www [dot]incidentnews [dot] gov/incident/6250.

Emergency Response Division, Office of Response and Restoration, National Ocean Service. "Ixtoc I: Countermeasures / Mitigation". IncidentNews. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, US Department of Commerce. http://www.incidentnews.gov/entry/508790. Retrieved 30 May 2010.

Further reading:

Jernelöv, Arne; Lindén, Olof (1981). "The Caribbean: Ixtoc I: A Case Study of the World's Largest Oil Spill". Ambio (Allen Press for the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences) 10 (6): 299-306. http://www.jstor.org/stable/4312725. Retrieved 2010-05-12.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

*oopsy*

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Dear,funny Sarah - You don't get out much, do you? Here's a whole slew of fairly substantive coverage, right here at this silly ole newspaper:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/climate-change/?hpid=topnews

Posted by: bobsewell | June 3, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

talitha you know I was talking about people in general, not boodlers, right? I mean...

"Rep. Don Young (R-AK) declared that the oil pumping into the Gulf is “not an environmental disaster”...Young said: “This is not an environmental disaster, and I will say that again and again because it is a national phenomena. Oil has seeped into this ocean for centuries, will continue to do it. During World War II there was over 10 million barrels of oil spilt from ships, and no natural catastrophe. … We will lose some birds, we will lose some fixed sealife, but overall it will recover.”

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

The BP spill, in perspective, has a way to go. It's not yet in the top 10.

# 1. Kuwait - 1991 - 520 million gallons
Iraqi forces opened the valves of several oil tankers in order to slow the invasion of American troops. The oil slick was four inches thick and covered 4000 square miles of ocean.
# 2 Mexico - 1980 - 100 million gallons
An accident in an oil well caused an explosion which then caused the well to collapse. The well remained open, spilling 30,000 gallons a day into the ocean for a full year.

Exxon Valdez ranked # 33. It was more widely reported and had longer lasting effects. - spills in cold climates take longer to recover.

Posted by: shilohgun | June 3, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

SarahBB, meet joebanks...

*SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 3, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Space X Falcon 9 looks like it's a go for tomorrow.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/03/AR2010060302241.html?hpid=moreheadlines

http://www.floridatoday.com/content/blogs/space/uploaded_images/Falcon9c-725948.jpg

Posted by: bobsewell | June 3, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

If you don't know of Google's site restricter parameters try these phrases

site:.gov "ixtoc i" environmental
or
site:.edu "ixtoc i" environmental

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 3, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

This is interesting: in the Ixtoc blowout, the blow-out preventer's shears failed to work. Here's what wiki says:

"During the removal of the pipe on Sedco 135F, the drilling mud suddenly began to flow up towards the surface; by removing the drill-string the well was swabbed leading to a kick. Normally, this flow can be stopped by activating shear rams contained in the blowout preventer (BOP). These rams are designed to sever and seal off the well on the ocean floor; however in this case drill collars had been brought in line with the BOP and the BOP rams were not able to sever the thick steel walls of the drill collars leading to a catastrophic blowout.

"The drilling mud was followed by a large quantity of oil and gas at an increasing flow rate. The oil and gas fumes exploded on contact with the operating pump motors, starting a fire which led to the collapse of the Sedco 135F drilling tower. The collapse caused damage to underlying well structures. The damage to the well structures led to the release of significant quantities of oil into the Gulf."

That was exactly 31 years ago...today.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm having a hard time understanding people, like Rep. Young and his ilk. Many of them seem to have rather apocalyptic visions of what might happen if Don't Ask Don't Tell is eliminated and bars to gay marriage are lifted, yet everything is hunky dory in the oceans. The human way with relative risk analysis never ceases to amaze.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 3, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Mudge-you're at the point where I tried to force myself to read slowly. There's no more where that came from after all.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 3, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Sedco eventually became Transocean. Not "ha ha" funny. The other kind.

Speaking of mergers, every time there is a merger, the resulting company is inferior to the average of the forebears.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 3, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

shiloh, size matters, but a lot of other things matter too, like containment, both by shorelines and the surface. A four inch think slick sounds really bad, but maybe not.

We may never know how much oil is involved here and there is no way to know how much is in the water (where almost all marine life lives) versus on the water. A million gallons of "dispersant" and counting...

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

NorthernBrewer -- would appreciate it if it were acknowledge (by them what know) that there are some good -- in fact, excellent and ethical -- lawyers, not only in the nation, but regular boodlers. I am a lawyer, as is Ivansmom, as are several others (sorry, guys -- brain accident on name(s). I've got absolutely no skin in the Gulf game, but if there were some damages to be extracted out of this entire awful occurrence, then someone better go get them.

Plus, people generally ought to learn how to negotiate a fee schedule and contingency/hybrid schedule.

That's it for now. Gotta go do some lawyering.

Posted by: -ftb- | June 3, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Steveb, I believe NPR did a special on that yesterday afternoon or the day before.

With apologies to S'nuke who would know what the real possibilities were, I was living in Madison, WI when TMI happened and had a very real feeling there were parts of PA I might never be able to visit again. I feel similarly about the Gulf now. And, of course, the impact to me is negligible to those being on-the-spot, real-time, locally affected.

Posted by: -dbG- | June 3, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

In the WWWDS (Darwin say) department:
Quotations "When we no longer look at an organic being as a savage looks at a ship, as at something wholly beyond his comprehension; when we regard every production of nature as one which has a history; when we contemplate every complex structure and instinct as the summing up of many contrivances, each useful to the professor, nearly in the same way as when we look at any great mechanical invention as the summing up of the labour, the experience, the reason and even the blunders of numerous workmen; when we thus view each organic being, how far more interesting, I speak from experience, will the study of natural history become"
--Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, p. 62

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 3, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Emerging and early commentary on species and sediments effects:
BBC 30 minute program in the Saving Species series:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00sjbdw

Charlie Rose panel inteview (30 minutes) with John Hofmeister, former Shell Oil President now with Citizens for Affordable Energy, Sylvia Earle the Oceanographer with National Geographic, James Tripp from the Environmental Defense Fund, and Steve Wereley from Purdue University
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11014

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 3, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

CqP, sent a request for information to your amphibain account.

Posted by: -dbG- | June 3, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"The human way with relative risk analysis never ceases to amaze."

I could tell you stories...

One person came to me in a panic (Am I going crazy!?), just after she decided to shoot (yes, to kill) her neighbor over a dispute involving a few weeks, a property line, some suspiciously disappeared tulips and some cut overhanging tree branches. No, this dispute was not a proxy for some deep, long simmering set of important issues. Now, as before, they are friends, again.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Here is a pretty good composite ROV feed:

http://mxl.fi/bpfeeds2/

Right now Skandi ROV1 (and we really should give them Disney character names instead) is doing something interesting that looks like (but probably isn't) it is torching off the oil.

And the Top Cat is just hanging around Enterprise ROV2.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Of course, Shrink and you *are* a boodler not a visitor from where I've been sitting. ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Tulips? Shrinky Dinkie (I promise to never do that again but you have to understand that this is a family joke about my auntie the therapist who is shrinking with age AND we love the art-toy called the same name) I only kill for rhubarb.

DBG? Will look as that amphibian is on the endangered species list....

Fish and the dispersant:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090316101430.htm

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 3, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Frostbitten, I wonder if they would also be against equal rights for gay shellfish?

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 3, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Not quite sure what the protocol is, but in shiloh's post, for instance, the date for Ixtoc is given as "1980." But the blowout occurred on June 3, 1979. It last 10 months, and was finally capped on March 23, 1980.

I'm not criticisizing shiloh; I'm just saying that I think it's wrong to use the end date of a spill as its generic date, and I'm guessing some sources do this. But I think Ixtoc should be listed as occurring in 1979, not 1980.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

See these links to work by UMCP environmental chemist prof Carys Mitchelmore:
http://www.umces.edu/news-events/media/668

Six months ago, she kept worrying that no funding in her field would mean leaving research....now? Not so much.

Carys knows a ton about oil and dispersant biochem/physio pathways for benthic animals. You know, the ones that are anchored on the floor and cannot swim away from yuckiness.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 3, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Ah, and vat shall ve make of ze unconscious typing of "think slick" instead of "thick slick" in shrink's 1:37 ? Is zis from vatching too much of Tony Hayward?

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 3, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

http://envirowonk.com/content/view/68/1/

Posted by: shilohgun | June 3, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_spills#Largest_oil_spills

Posted by: shilohgun | June 3, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Well thank you talitha,

CQP, I would be an oceanographer today if David Stockman, that fateful night, did not kill the NOAA grant I was going to grad school (at the UofWA) to work on - out near the weather nightmare of Ocean Station Papa.

Not realizing Ronald Reagan's voters had saved me from rolling around in boats for the rest of my life, in a fit of pique, I applied to the medical school which is just across the grass from the ocean school down on the canal. It turns out biological oceanography and pre-med course work are remarkably fungible. I did fine on the MCAT and got in.


Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

shiloh,
This is why real numbers are important. The low end of the spill estimates puts Deepwater Horizon in 16th place, but the high end pushes it past Ixtoc I into third.

Next time I'm near Maricopa, I'll give the site of the Lakeview Gusher a stop. Shame I didn't know about it a few years ago when I was making the Palo Alto to Vegas run.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Also whats up with Dems calling tea party members teabaggers? Don't they know that its a derogatory name for gay people? Do they call Barney Frank a teabagger do the call Obama the N word do they call Nancy Pelosi a B****ch? I mean what did gay people ever do to Democrats. Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Posted by: milestones1 | June 3, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Dolphins are just gay sharks.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

so much depends upon a white containment vessel glazed with sea water
spray painted 4

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

every time I see Obama , makes me wanna vomit

Posted by: michel1835 | June 3, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

milestones,
We are all about the non-sequitur around here, but who brought up teabagging (which incidentally can be performed on a man or a woman)?

Speaking of teabagging, John Waters is doing a show in Bawlmer later this month:

http://tix.centerstage.org/Online/seatSelect.asp?sToken=1%2C9c67edc9%2C4c07f40e%2C8968449C-49DB-45B5-97CA-6DB61AF9A834%2C00t7mHqmpM1TLQ037c0aGlOe6Oc%3D&BOset::WSadmissions::admission::performance_id=3C0EBF1C-F935-49AB-A540-58457BFEF9E9

I can't make it, but I hear these shows are hilarious.

I met him once at a museum opening. He owns an original Warhol that he had loaned for the exhibition.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"Your thoughts would be appreciated."

Wanna bet?

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Well, then, michel1835, you just go do that. Nobody here is gonna stop you rotting your teeth with your bulimia.

Shrink2, you fit in here very, very well. Your path to your current profession (hey! "current" -- get it???) reminds me of how I got to Sweden the first time waaay back in 1965. I turned the globe, covered my eyes, and pointed. That was it. And the rest, as Mudge might have said in the year 1066, is history . . . .

Posted by: -ftb- | June 3, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

milestones, you need to do some research. "Teabaggers" isn't a slang term for gay people. Yes, it is a vile term for a vile sex act, but it isn't specifically gay. I don't wanna go any further with this, but you need to get your facts right. Also, I don't believe that when it was first applied to the Tea Party people, whoever started it didn't know its slang usage, though I could be wrong about that. I do know people who used the term who had never heard its vulgar usage (I know I never heard of it). They just thought it had something to do with tea, dumping tea in the harbor, etc.

Thank you for your carefully rendered insights, michael1835. The world needs more of your wisdom, wit and bonhommie. (Which isn't a gay word, BTW.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

yello, I went to a wedding in Bawlmer back in the 80s and the officiant was John Waters. Great wedding and strong marriage after 18 years.

Gay shellfish are those characters from Little Mermaid, right? Oh . . . . .

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

every time I see Obama , makes me wanna vomit
Posted by: michel1835 |

Ok, my advice (for free!) is to keep staring at his picture, put it up everywhere around you and don't drink any fluids, especially anything with sodium or potassium in it.

Soon enough, you will never see him again, guaranteed.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, making people spit iced tea all over their werk keyboards is inappropriate. :)

Posted by: -dbG- | June 3, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Make that 22 years. Math deficiency isn't pretty, is it?

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"Vile" is such a harsh word. The don't-knock-it-til-you've-tried tolerance rule applies. "Teabagger" is no more offensive than "libtard". And I like the term because it carries a certain level of snickering ridicule to a movement that has its own issues with offensive speech and really has no room to cast stones.

And if using the term promotes any rentals or sales of the excellent Bawlmer-filmed 'Pecker', I am all for it.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

TPites self-identified as teabaggers until someone clued them in. Now methinks they doth protest too much.

Shrink-I would only kill for peonies, and perhaps rhubarb if I lived full time below the Mason-Dixon line (aka rhubarb line).

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 3, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, vile? I am shocked, truly shocked. (where's Yoki? She does thie better than I).

Posted by: -dbG- | June 3, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Yello - thanks for that link to the composite feeds. Very cool.

And I am glad that they "neatened up" the cut with the circular saw.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 3, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I think it was a portmaneau of "tea party" and "Carpetbaggers" myself, Mudge.

I think I shall be on the swooning couch in the bunker. Please tuck me in with a few extra-large doilies.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 3, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I guess I must be really out of the loop these days. I've heard derogatory terms for gay folk involving various edibles and mythical flying beings, but never the term "teabagger" in that context. I don't have anything of substance to add to the discussion of the oil leak, so I've just been checking the Boodle occasionally. I'll just say this about the comment on WWII sub victims - One, the tankers back then were only about a third the size they are today; two, the spills, if they occurred, were a one-time event, not a continuing outpouring; and three, in many cases the exploding torpedo also ignited the petroleum product, which meant that a lot of it burned up before floating away; and finally, we really don't know what kind of envrionmental impact they caused.

Posted by: ebtnut | June 3, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Both 'tea party' and 'teabaggers' seem appropriate terms for their current political usage.

The first term refers to the tactics of a group of self-appointed colonial terrorists - and the vulgar nature of the second term fits the present party to a T.

Posted by: shilohgun | June 3, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

And I know what you're all thinking. Mudge, you're thinking, where does the word "Ixtoc" come from? What does it mean? And how do I pronounce it correctly?

Well, boys and girls, lemme tell ya, it took me QUITE a while and perusing hundreds of Web sites, but I think I finally found it. Turns out that Ixtoc is one of three Mayan goddesses devoted to the cult of growing and cooking maize (corn, to you city folks); her sister goddesses are Ixanil and Ixcacau, but you probably already knew that, and I'm just boring you by repeating what every schoolchild knows.

But Ixtoc being a Mayan term, the "x" is almost always pronounced like "sh," so the word is pronounced "Ish-tok," not "Iks-toc."

Also, there is a village in Campeche called Ixtoc, but it is so small to call it a village is a joke: it only has a population of 4. I'm guessing it's a difficult place to get a last-minute date on a Saturday night.

I know you're all glad you asked me this question.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

frostbitten

I live way above the line and I actually have to kill rhubarb like horseradish and mint, just so other things nearby can have a chance.

Further, peonies are my favorite and it is really hard to say that, because I love so many flowers. Really I do, well, maybe poppies are my favorite, no wait, so many iris, up in Portland's Rose Garden there are...sorry, skip that.

Practically all berries love to live in the PacNW, bit I have never had a proper stand of watermelons and okra, fuggedaboudit.


Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, I thought of you last evening when I was watching SYTYCD. A deaf guy auditioned -- they had the music up high enough so that he could feel the bass note vibrations. He was really, really good. He didn't go any further than the auditions, but it was a very nice moment. The judging panel sometimes go off the condescending charts with issues like this, but they seemed to have restrained themselves somewhat with him. It may make for good television, but that in and of itself tends to raise my cringe coefficient.

Posted by: -ftb- | June 3, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

As for whether or not John Waters is mainstream or not, all I can say is that I am going to a dinner theater production of Hairspray tomorrow. If Green Day can be on Broadway and John Waters suitable entertainment for the early bird special set, who am I to judge?

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

ftb-I was waiting for the cringe-worthy moment as well. Most relieved they didn't go there. Swore I wouldn't get sucked in again, but there we are-another summer revives my SYTYCD problem.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 3, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

shrink2, you've just broken at least three Boodlers' hearts.

Posted by: Yoki | June 3, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, come on, yello. It's a hundred times more vile than "libtard" if one refers to the sexual meaning. Jeez. Not even in the same category. Not even in the same universe.

Breaking news: they caught that Vander-whatsis guy in Chile. He's the one who allegedly killed that girl in Peru, and also allegedly Natalie Holloway five years ago today.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

" . . . pronounced "Ish-tok". . . " Did it leave Ish-tar on the beaches? Sorry, my brain is on the swooning couch, too.

Skywatch alert - Severe thunderstorms with power outages out here in the mountains west of D.C. Heads up!

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I like "Ish-tar" very much, talitha.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Aha! Gardening in the PacNW explains the Williams "red wheelbarrow" paraphrase.

Posted by: shilohgun | June 3, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

mountains west of D.C.

You mean the Rocky Mountains, right?

Yoki, how?
1) They'd hoped I hated gardening?
2) They have been trying to grow Okra in Oregon and now they know it is hopeless?
3) I kill rhubarb so that others may simply live?
4) All of the above.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Hi boodles,

1. shrink2, I admire your insight apparent in your 2:33 post.

2. what's this about a rhubarb line? I'm up here in about Zone -3 and it grows like a weed.

3. I'm been meaning for some time to gripe about the growth of the Tea Party, but not for the usual reasons. You see, there was a very good band of that name that broke up a few years ago that I was hoping would get back together, and I think the rise of their namesake pretty much seals the deal in the negative. Here's a couple selections:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w98SWuVbEjo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfaATa-qmG4&feature=related

Posted by: engelmann | June 3, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

*snort*

Posted by: -ftb- | June 3, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

shilo, smartypants.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, I need to inform you that there are certain Boodlers here (no names) who are SOOOOOOOOO fond of rhubarb that they put poor Ixtoc, Xanax and Xylophone to shame in the cult worship category. We have, in our midst, Goddesses of Rhubarb. Tread carefully, my good fellow.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 3, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I think several Boodlers will be cheered by the no drama (on Kit!) follow-up to last night's perfecto-in-all-but-scorecard-pending-Selig's-final-word:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/04/sports/baseball/04tigers.html

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 3, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

You had me at peonies Shrink :-)

Posted by: dmd3 | June 3, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I have to admit to rhubarb murder myself. I planted a different sport of the same (a red stemmed horticultural type) in the same location though, that has to count as mitigating circumstances. One dead, one alive. Past gone, future ahead.

I had to do that most dreaded dog owner's task today, this very last visit to the vet. The Ghost of the Ancient Giant Black Lab is haunting another plane of reality tonight.
I really digged the saw's work on the sheared pipes. I hope the circullarity will be good enough for a decent seal.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 3, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

My condolences, Shriek, saying goodbye is always difficult.

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 3, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

SCC Roundness?

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 3, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, I actually got admitted to a grad program at UW, but another place had a better offer... I was too modest to try the MCAT.

Anyway, here's some alarming new modeling of possible spread of the oil into the Atlantic, complete with a set of animations:
http://www2.ucar.edu/news/ocean-currents-likely-to-carry-oil-spill-to-atlantic-coast

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | June 3, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh, shriek, I'm so sorry.

Posted by: Yoki | June 3, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Condolences Shriek

Posted by: dmd3 | June 3, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I believe OkrainOregon is available as a nom de Boodle.

For lolcat fans, of course, nom has an alternate meaning.

Posted by: -dbG- | June 3, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Jarrel was the deaf guy's name, and he's from LA... don't know of him.

However, there are many, many FANASTIC deaf dancers and choreographers. Fred Michael Beam is one such who's been seen around the DC stages.

http://www.gazette.net/gazette_archive/2001/200120/entertainment/perfarts/55432-1.html

The Wild Zappers is a all-deaf man dance troupe that's been in existence for many years. I've met some of the alumni over the years.

http://www.kennedy-center.org/explorer/artists/?entity_id=11337&source_type=B

Glad to hear he did well despite being on National TV. Too bad he didn't get in, but hip-hop often isn't enough.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 3, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Shriek, sorry to hear about the ABL's passing.

We will take a moment of silence as I stop Wilbrodog from howling the windows off.


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 3, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Shriek, I'm so sorry.

Posted by: -dbG- | June 3, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Bit of good news but TEXTILE ALERT: Eva Bloom just won a huge green design award. Her products -- fabrics-based -- help keep women and children out of the s3x trade.
http://the99percent.com/videos/6545/eve-blossom-create-containers-for-collaboration

www.lulan.com

Bloom said that while living and working in Vietnam (restoring old French building stock) she saw that artisans and craftworkers (primarily women and children) are at great risk for becoming the commodity that is traded in human trafficking markets. She decided to be a "disruptive entrepreneur" planning to short circuit this ugly market that consumes people. Talitha will like this, as will others.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | June 3, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh shriek, so sorry. Kitty lovin's headed your way from the dog loving frostcats.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 3, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

There is a small cottage industry devoted to doing nothing but inventing mythical sexual acts for common phrases. Google "donkey punch", "dirty Sanchez", or "Cleveland steamer." "Teabagging" is a great phrase because it does play off the "tea party" in a way that mocks this already ridiculous political metaphor that these cranky conservatives chose for themselves. It's a double entendre that is dirty only in the minds of people that have been exposed to the smuttier version.

To conflate "teabagger" with far more offensive and generally acknowledged slurs such as the n-word or the b-word (or worst of all, the c-word) is really reaching. These words while acceptable is certain segments of popular culture are beyond the pale for polite company.

As for teabagging being a vile sexual act, it's really fairly tame, lying somewhere past motorboating but falling far short of actual fellatio.

On the other hand, "libtard" is portmanteau (thanks for triggering that word, Wilbrod) of "liberal" and "retard". The implication is that all liberals are mentally deficient. The word "retard" is currently inherently offensively politically incorrect as would be all variations of it. The use of "libtard" is a deliberate insult in a way and degree that 'teabagger' is not.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"...fond of rhubarb..."

Tell you what, I will let the most robust specimen (like seven feet in diameter and four feet high right now) set seeds (of course I usually destroy! all rhubarb attempts at sexual reproduction) and I will save those seeds and send them. But watch out, this should be called rhuberbarb.

Meanwhile, dmd, I know, I know. Just the variegated marbling, on bud balls bulging to burst is fine art. I am looking at and inhaling from a vase full of peonies I just cut...the peak season here is right now...I know.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh SD, nothing can even begin to help except the tincture of VLP froth. May he smother you in liquid love.

I should be clear. I shall murder FOR rhubarb. I would never kill a pie plant. And Frosti is right....Mason Dixon is the line/Rhubarb line -- below this line, rhubarb culture is doomed..

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | June 3, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I must say it's very interesting to hear, then see, a police copter orbiting outside one's cubicle window, and then realize there's a felony stop being executed a couple hundred yards from your building...

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 3, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

More than that. I remember what a fine mentor and best friend he was to the VLP, the pictures of them together with the VLP starting small, then eclipsing his buddy in size. Thank you for sharing him with us

Posted by: -dbG- | June 3, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

shriek,
I know all to well how the loss of an animal companion can be sad and tragic. My sympathy goes out to your and your loved ones.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, CqP! Disruptive entrepreneur, indeed.

Shriek, sincere condolences and *hugs*.

Now to settle down with all these wonderful links . . . .

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

That was wicked funny, Wilbrod, because it contains truth. (carpetbaggers)

I didn't know teabagging was "vile." I was pretty sure it ain't for me. (I do not easily trust. But that's another problem.) Still, I say "vile" is a bit strong. I suppose as a metaphor for corporate fascism to boondoggle naive hillbillies, one could choose a better term.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 3, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Shrieking's old black lab
is gone-- no more trees, snoozes,
or dress-ups by kids..


-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 3, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Memo to Shrieking:
Please do not fax me dresses
tailored just for him.

-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 3, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Is teabagging a very narrow form of astro-turfing? Would the corporate powers behind the movement be called the Disaffection Plantation?

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"below this line, rhubarb culture is doomed"

We should build an exchange program. I could hand off 50 perfect heads of butter lettuce, armloads of rhubarb, baby dill, arugala, cilantro...it all has to get churned under. These things are like cover crops for the difficult Summer crops like peppers, that you can't plant here until now and you have to baby the whole Summer.

It was funny a few days ago someone talked here about peppers as a sure thing for a fragile gardening ego. Not here! They are only for bragging rights, not that I would ever even think about that.

Whenever my friend from the San Juan Islands comes here she exclaims how the things she struggles with there grow wild in the ditches over here on the Eastern side of the Cascades. Of course, her place has been in Sunset Magazine and was my inspiration when I bought land in the late eighties. Now, she is sure it is easier to garden here (no slugs!) than in the SJI, but I know the truth.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

That's true Wilbrod, we've lost our Santa Claus. I must work on the VLP's will to accept costumes.
The clothes will have to be redone, one size shorter and three sizes bigger...

Off to break someone's heart, 8600km away.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | June 3, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

When I lived in Wyoming, a west Texas colleague managed to grow okra. However, it was a low-elevation town that got quite hot, so corn and tomatoes did well. Cody, a thousand feet higher, was OK for tomatoes, better for apples, but only the shortest-season corn would work. Very good for Asiatic hybrid lilies, but I'm assured those thrive in Fairbanks.

I'm on the Eddie Bauer mailing list; their latest ad features a black lab pup with an explanation that Mr. Bauer, who must have hunted ducks, had the first one in the Northwest. That seems nearly unbelievable today, but my recollection is that as recently as the 60s, they weren't terribly common and getting to know one was kind of a privilege.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | June 3, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Colbert, of course, had the best idea for the Tea Party to avoid any liberal sneering names. Go with something more appropriate. He did a thing on Guy Fawkes Day showing how really the Tea Party should honor him, since he tried to blow up parliament or something.

They should be called Guy Fawkers.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 3, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh, dear Shriek -- copious condolences on the (*sigh*) passing of your Lab. I know you'll miss him, and I'm sure the VLP will miss him, too. He might even look around the house and yard for him. And then look at you like only VLP can do, with those inquiring eyes asking after his pal. And then VLP will ask you for a treat, as that will be the most important thing at that moment . . . suddenly.

Posted by: -ftb- | June 3, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The problem with gardening Chez Frostbitten is that one summer can mimic the PacNW, the next DC. Winter is always like Siberia, or worse yet, Winnipeg. Peonies are at their prime down in St. Paul. I brought some north with me in a vase, but the ones in the garden still have wee buds-the size of marbles at their largest. No doubt I-mom has seen larger hail already this season.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 3, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Getting to know a lab is always a privilege, dotc.

Home now to give mine an extra pat.

Posted by: -dbG- | June 3, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I feel for you, shriek, having to break the news to a far-off witch. I've had to do that twice, and it is dreadful.

Posted by: Yoki | June 3, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

DaveoftheCoonties

Sorry to be slow. Physical oceanography is applied mathematics, actually, so is chemical and biological ocean science so, I wonder, how do the people who create these models deal with the lack of data on oil concentration by depth, to say nothing of vertical dynamics? I remember studying the relationship between oxygen, nitrogen, carbon (biomass proxies) concentrations in the water column. The models were extraordinarily complex even in one small area. Nanomolar changes in concentration of something like copper could create wild swings, in brief by killing off one kind of phytoplankton, thereby promoting the growth of another.

I am not really saying anything, but it is good people are starting to figure out this isn't just about washing off birds and taking pictures of them returning to "the wild".


Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

ftb said "And then VLP will ask you for a treat, as that will be the most important thing at that moment . . . suddenly."

Shriek, I wish there was something I could fax you to work that type of magic. I'm so sorry.

Posted by: Raysmom | June 3, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

We get enough drama from Achenbach as we ever got from any of the Beths in England. Let the President be himself.

That is good enough for me.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | June 3, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

shrink2,
I was taught (fairly recently) the virtues of population modeling that can be done simply, using Micrsoft Excel.

So of course I'm dazzled at the models used in wetlands with moving water (Everglades) and the vastly more complex ones used in physical oceanography and meteorology. Add biology to the physical oceanography and there's got to be huge challenges. A fresh Post story just now gets into that. Huge, if unwanted, research opportunities.

Yesterday's story at Science is intriguing. Detailed modeling of water movement on the Louisiana coast (aimed at predicting storm surges, among other things) is now being used to predict oil movement.
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/06/where-is-the-oil-headed.html

The Science story is interesting in part because it shows that there's experts on the Louisiana coast far away from Louisiana. Like Chapel Hill!

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | June 3, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Shriek, my condolences. It is part of pet ownership, but is rarely easy.

I just caught a glimpse of the cut at the base of the riser pipe on spillcam. "It's not as smooth as we would like" is an understatement.

It looks like the pipe was cut about halfway through then ripped off from there. And it appears there are two sprays of goo, the second coming from some sort of smaller auxiliary appendage next to the main pipe.

Sorry for the lack of technical jargon here. I studied business, economics, math, and psychology, not engineering.

Also, the word is there will be another 12 to 24 hours of waiting.

Anyone got a deck of cards and a cribbage board?

Posted by: MsJS | June 3, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone got a deck of cards..."

And, THAT does not look like 20% more spew to me. I'd add a zero, if I had to bet.

I am sorry in this time of collective sadness, I have to ask, do you people mostly know each other, in the real (see you to touch you) life?


Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article216713.ece

The gummint has sent BP its first invoice and "expects prompt payment."

Posted by: MsJS | June 3, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

So sorry, shriek. It's always sad to say goodby to a beloved pet.

Posted by: Manon1 | June 3, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Some of us do, Shrink. There are many of us in the DC area, and we have been known to have BPHs ("Boodle Porching Hours") at a restaurant downtown or in the 'burbs. Typically, we meet in the Happy Hour window where food is cheap and drinks are what they are (I don't know, as I do not imbibe). A couple of years ago, we had an International BPH, which brought in Canadians and people from all over the country, actually. It was a blast.

We are not, however, indiscriminate in our commingling. Those of us who do "know" each other still like to protect our privacy, especially from those who make the hair on the back of our necks or arms stick up. We have had a respite from one of those (thankfully and hoping it continues). Otherwise, many of us have been boodling for several years and have come to know -- and even admire (*gasp*) -- each other and each other's talents.

I think the best part of the boodle is that we are mostly left-leaning, very nice and pretty dang funny people. I'm not sure of the average age, but there appears to be an age range from maybe 30s (really?), several in the 40s, 50s definitely and, as Mudge and I can tell you, some really, really *fine* 60s, along with some in the 70s. We're adults (well, most of the time). A sense of humor is a must around here, particularly when one considers all the unfunny stuff going on in and on and *to* the world.

I've enjoyed the people I've met here (mostly) and the one's I've met in person.

As I've said before, I think you fit in quite well. We're just a buncha imaginary friends. Welcome aboard.

Posted by: -ftb- | June 3, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, this all started digitally but many of us see each other IRL (in real life). I am waiting for TBG our den mother to chime in. And KBertocci, one of our foundress-archivists. Let me start and others will finish. We will share the genealogy/organizational structure reveal duties.

Mudge is our shop steward and long term union chief; helping is
ScottyNuke, deputy to this. Our motor pool/industrial arts wizards is
bc.
Our chaplain is the most reverandress Cassandra whose benedictions are the way to start the day. Slyness is the keeper of the cabinet, which makes her a Chatelainer of sorts. Imagine her with keys on a huge ring.

(In real life, we try to get together downtown for happy hour at a local watering hole say six week intervals...)

Yoki, Shrieking Denizon, Engelmann, DMD, Toronto Gal, qgaliana (others?) are our Canadian brethren and sistren. --More.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 3, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, since many of the others are probably in the midst of their commutes I shall attempt to answer your question. Many boodlers have met in person, i.e. at semi-regular BPH (Boodle Porching Hour) gatherings in DC, which sometimes include non-DC visitors (I was one such vistor) or at mini-BPH's around the US and sometimes here in Canada.

You will find this a very special place where the discussion is ever changing and support/sympathy and congratulations abound for many experiences in life.

In my real life today I learned of the passing of a former customer, it was not unexpected an 8 year battle against cancer that in the last year became only a matter of time. I knew this couple just slightly after a few initial meetings, I discovered they were just people you instantly like, over the last year I corresponded with the wife, today I received an email telling me of her husbands passing the other day. I was shocked at the sudden gush of emotion it caused, later in the day I read of the passing of Shrieks beloved Ancient Black Lab and the rush of emotion again took me by surprise.

This is that kind of place that people you may not have met can touch your lives as much as those you have met.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 3, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, Canadian, wins the prize for the most border crossings.

DR is a knitter first and Canadian second. She may prefer Canookie first.

Among our garden plot keepers we have Frosti who lives in Florida sometimes, and the northern Minniesota Rainy Lake/Bemijdi greater area. She is the Gertrude Jekyll of the north as is DMD.

Also in the way northern hinterland is Wilbrod, a shortish wise-ish person who knows many things. Wilbrodog is the faithful companion to said small person.

Cookies! So many of us seem to cook that I feel a bit shy about will singleout the cookie queen of MA-chusetts who is badsneaks; Yoki is the Contessa of Alberta but also, her iPod offerings are likely hipper than yours and mine combined. RussianThistle flings good food, good music, and is a code monkey. Another code monkey is Omni, but he is interested lately in the linguistics of jokes...MORE

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 3, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Thank you. If you come to the NW some time, stop by, you will not be sorry.

I buried the dog I will always call the Best Dog (it made her smile when I said that) though her name was Betty out on a little bluff in front of my house three years ago. Even though she was four feet down, the Bachelor Buttons are thicker there. It makes me cry to type it (she was a great dog, did I mention that?), so, I get it. I am sorry for your loss Shriek, whoever you are.


Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

We have the best legal minds in the blogosphere and they also have a sense of humor: ftb, Ivansmom (wrestles snakes out of her OK ranchelette and is raising a thespian). Englemann is one of them there code-wrasters too.

We have a resident physicist named RD Padouk who also grows tomatoes so sweet and punch drunk with juicy goodness that grown Italian men weep with joy at the sight. Speaking of tomatoes, DBG is also pretty handy with a hoe. She is our raised bed garden specialist. In her spare time she loves labs and crafts jewelry.

scienceTim is an astrophysicist and generally handy with a loaf of bread. He is also a professional storyteller. MORE

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 3, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Too much energy is being invested in telling President Obama that he should feel or show more "anger". Anger is not going to plug the leak, and it increases the potential for violence (for example, against gas station owners who happen to be affiliated with BP). For more on why we need to temper (but not eliminate) our anger, please see:

"Obama, the Oil Spill, and the Magic of Righteous Anger" on the Psychiatric Times website.

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/display/article/10168/1579984

Ronald Pies MD
Editor in Chief
Psychiatric Times

Posted by: rpies1 | June 3, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

We have the best legal minds in the blogosphere and they also have a sense of humor: ftb, Ivansmom (wrestles snakes out of her OK ranchelette and is raising a thespian). Englemann is one of them there code-wrasters too.

We have a resident physicist named RD Padouk who also grows tomatoes so sweet and punch drunk with juicy goodness that grown Italian men weep with joy at the sight. Speaking of tomatoes, DBG is also pretty handy with a hoe. She is our raised bed garden specialist. In her spare time she loves labs and crafts jewelry.

scienceTim is an astrophysicist and generally handy with a loaf of bread. He is also a professional storyteller. MORE

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 3, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Error in '08

The international BPH theme in memory of Error Flynn.

The teabaggers nod in agreement whenever I wear that shirt.

Posted by: shilohgun | June 3, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

shriek, condolences, I too have enjoyed the stories and photos of your sweet old dog and VLP.

dbG, sadly, I will not be in the tomato competition unless I can volunteer to judge
as the deer.eat.everything.here

Posted by: -CB- | June 3, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Talitha is newish to us and should be in the same secret initiation ceremony as you. She is the one with the loom. She will tell you more but does costume work for Civil War reenacters.

New too is steveboyington (represent SB!) I think he is an engineer or technical sort. Other engineers are YellowJacket who has been to all musicals produced in the last ten years. Shrieking Denizon, he of the fresh and sore doggy-loss, is Francophone and an engineer nd a gardener and a cook! Ask him about poutine.

Horsie people! SeaSea is in your neck of the woods. She is also a gardener and now, a census worker. Raysmon, local guvie type but with style and panash is also a horsie gal MORE.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 3, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm just guessing here, but I suspect that both Mudge and Sneaks will finish the 3rd Millennium book this weekend. Ivansmom, you gotta catch up!

Shrink -- have you read any of the Millennium books yet (by Stieg Larsson)? Or even seen the movie of the first book ("The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" in English; "Men Who Hate Women" in Swedish)?

Many of us are completely hooked!

Posted by: -ftb- | June 3, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

"The king must not initiate war because of a momentary anger"

"Likewise, the general must not attack the enemy with indignation as his basis"

"You must act according to what benefits the country. If it is not beneficial to the country, halt action."

-"Sunzi Speaks: The Art of War, adapted and illustrated by Tsai Chih Chung, translated by Brian Bruya. (It's a Taiwanese comic book)

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | June 3, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

CB! Represent!

Shiloh is a familiar and is quite well read and lives further south than me on the rhubarb line.

Lovely and dear Manon is worrying know about a sick daughter.

Nellie is quick with a link and is on the Central CA coast.

Jim of LTR is a Californian with a rational bent.

POETRY! Our beloved and elusive and magical DNA girl writes Koanic haiku that capture two days worth of boodling. Our imitative poetry and song masters include Mudge, Engleman, and Wilbrod.

We have a bat crazy Mo whose inner goth remains strong.

We have Jack who is up late and trades songs with Yoki. He is also a breeder of Havanese doggies.

BH is in northern CA near Shasta or Lassen.

PJ is local and always thoughtful. MORE.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 3, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Take a breath CQP!

Posted by: -ftb- | June 3, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, did you see that other psychiatrist drive by? I know (of) him, but he does not know me. Another clear example of East Coast Bias.

Actually, I know DC very well. I lived in the Watergate for two Summers, before my Dad moved over to The Prospect House, there above the cemetary's carillon, which I can still hear in my mind. He worked for State, everyone in Foggy Bottom knows what that is.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

MsJS is our WindyCity rep. We owe her big time on a number of research projects, particularly one.

We have some Pac Rim people, including RainForest who lives near Indonesia in a sultanate. We used to have Daiwanian and a rep in Aussieland.

We have a mountain man who is a crazed Ravens fan -- greenwithenvy. We have a renaissance mountain women who also carries more than a thimblefull of political sence Lost in Thought...whoops gotta go, carpool calls.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 3, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm paying very close attention, CpQ. ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Brag and Bob-S.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

For CPQ

The only difference in church dogma between familiars and demons is the specific ways in which a familiar is believed to possesses an individual. In contrast to demons, familiars are not believed to possess the body. They rather possess the personality, the soul, the human affective relations and the psychological processes of a person, but the familiar spirit maintains a distinct personality. Martin also asserts that the familiar spirit entices the human spirit by appearing friendly and comforting when things go wrong, thus developing a progressive dependence on the spirit and the diminishing reliance of one's individuality.

Posted by: shilohgun | June 3, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Linda Lou - Loomis?

Posted by: shilohgun | June 3, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Faithful companion!??
Try hearer for, and herder
of wise guy-ish gnomes.

-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 3, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, out here, it is work demonstration before quitting time time and then kids and dogs have it all. Good morrow good people.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Anybody seen the Top Cap? They switched out the one with the big 4 on the side for some other doohickey that looks like a spaceship from some eighth graders video project.

Meanwhile the top of the BOP is just gushing like a Roman candle on steroids. And watching the ROVs slip a loop of cable over something is like being stuck in the world's dullest Duke Nukem mod.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, your report that he worked for State reminded me -- when I first moved to Northern Va. for the stint that addicted me to the WaPo, my housemate's boyfriend introduced himself to me and told me that he worked for Justice. I don't think I said it out loud, but I know I wondered: wow, that's noble, but where do you work?

Posted by: -bia- | June 3, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

More of my ego
at http://www.wilbrodog.blogspot.com/ ,
Served up with wit.

-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 3, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

And we have all our favorite trolls like The Lone Mule and GaryEMasters and Pop Socket. But even those guys go soft if they spend too much time around here.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

-bia- laughing.

yelojkt, it is so important and yet, such a Scheisspiel, is hard to fathom.

ok that is it I am gone bye it is all your fault if I am late or criticized...

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all. I am back from my native sovereignty conference on this hot and sleepy day, and preparing to move on to the next thing.

I'm so sorry about the Ancient Lab, shrieking D.

Shrink, talitha, other new folks & lurkers, there are lots of people here who have met only virtually, or at least not face-to-face. However, I feel I know some of these people, including folks who don't often post, well enough to have met them often. It really is, as was so aptly put above, "that kind of place that people you may not have met can touch your lives as much as those you have met." They have seen me through good times and bad and I am richer for it. Also better fed. Also, often, deeply amused. It is too bad that this particular subject now cuts off all possibility of humor for some people.


Posted by: Ivansmom | June 3, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

some have lost The Way.

Posted by: -tao- | June 3, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Also WhackyWeasel, who originated the need for sky reports;

Bob-S., a gritty southern gent who lampoons by moonlight.

bc, a professional car freak with an impeccable Italian werewolf pedigree.

cmythc, who's the christian heart of the boodle...

The list goes on of boodlers who have been regulars and now occasionally come back now and then;

k-guy (Kurosawa guy) who can be counted on to know and criticize any movie worth seeing in subtitles, who has come back much more regularly,

SJ from San Jose, and many other fine commenters, whether they comment often or rarely.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 3, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh SD - I am so sorry to hear of your loss. It's the downside of having such wonderful fuzzy companions.

I get the feeling they may try several caps before they are done. I hope they have taken the time to get that cut as smooth as is possible.


Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 3, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

And omni (omninut,etc), our main music video librarian and private writer. If you've ever had a guy stick a flower in your lapel out of nowhere in the DC metro area, you just may have had an omni sighting.

Also, Martooni aka Danghippie, who makes fairy doors, and SonofCarl who is our champion parodist from up North....

Too many to name. Too few to forget.


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 3, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

This blog stinks.

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Every boodler is like an open door to a new world. (apologies to Seven Degrees of Separation)

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

And TBG! whose presence is a smile and DotC the font of all natural knowledge, and Brag the kingmaker from santiago, and CqP, in whose magical hands young minds and flowers bloom, and poor loomis whom I felt sorrow for....

Posted by: DNA_Girl | June 3, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

SD,

We build BOPs
to check gushers of sorrow
deep, often in vain

Posted by: DNA_Girl | June 3, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

But do understand, that even though Cassandra (cmythc) gives the morning benediction, not all of us are Christian, nor are we actual believers, no matter what the flavor might be. But we do, with all of our hearts, *love* Cassandra. She even came up from NC with slyness to our IBPH.

Posted by: -ftb- | June 3, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Beetlejuice!

Shriek, sorry to hear of your loss. I still haven't gotten over the death of my Best Cat.

So, Shrink, you're east of the mountains? And still can't grow peppers? They struggle here in Seattle, but I know people who do ok with them (must have western exposure or something).

Posted by: seasea1 | June 3, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

LET's GO LAKERS! ! !!!

Posted by: teddymzuri | June 3, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Shrink2, I have no idea who any of these lunatics are. I swear, I never met any of them in my life. Only psychos have imaginary friends who live in imaginary places.

Some day I'll give you a guided tour of the bunker. There's some lovely Kinkades you should see. We've just had the pool room (billiards, not swimming) redecorated. Don't mind the doilies.

Will finish #3 tonight, ftb. Blomkvist has a broken finger; trial starts in 2 days.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | June 3, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Just read much of Milbank's piece today on John Ashcroft.

I respect John Ashcroft. I could live with a GOP with more conservatives of the John Ashcroft and Ted Olson and Tom Coburn persuasion and many many fewer of the Marc Theissen persuasion.

Alas, it seems that for every conservative with honor there are 10 Theissens without.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 3, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I am but a passing Celtics fan, but I have to root for my guys.

Mike Judge said it best.

Rondo... the thirst mutilator! Rondo has what plants crave... he's got electrolytes.

Posted by: steveboyington | June 3, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I am so sorry Shriek. The downside of loving so well is the unspeakable sadness of the loss. Still mourn my 'best friend' from childhood.

Shrink, sounds like you've gotten a good overview of the Boodle. You are a great fit here. My peonies are no more, their petals are dropping as I type, I need to get another plant and put it somewhere slightly less sunny to prolong the season. I still have some in a vase, but they are also quiet fragile.

Bobby Jindal is an idiot. Now he's worried about the oil companies? I gotta take some time to catch up with the news as I was busy being a 'fun' grandmother this afternoon.

I want to finish the book, ftb, but I don't want it to end. I can guarantee I'll be done with it by tomorrow night if not sooner.

Posted by: badsneakers | June 3, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

And of course, DNA_Girl of the dueling haikus (with Wilbrodog as foil) and the infinite supply of Sinfest comic strips (always an appropriate reference therein!)

LET'S GO CELTS!!!

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 3, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh Wilbrod, I thought of you today as my granddaughter was showing me the poetry she had written (none of it rhymed, which pleased me no end). She wrote a haiku:

Swaying around tree
tree so pretty, the tree sways
the tree is dancing

I thought it was pretty good for an 11 year old. Not as good as Wilbrodog's but he's got a good mentor.

Posted by: badsneakers | June 3, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

My sympathies for your loss, shriek. Having to do that is hard, but sometimes it's the only thing one can do that is fair to the pet.

So all kinds of berries grow in Oregon and okra and watermelon don't, shrink? There's a problem here? This is another reason to look fondly on Oregon.

[Having shriek and shrink in one place could get dangerous!]

Posted by: -pj- | June 3, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, too, shrieking, for your loss. I've always loved hearing the stories of the VLP and the ABL. He'll be missed here, too.

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Just as long as we don't get a "stratch" and a "sprain" we should be okay.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

nice to see nothing has changed....

you talking to me achenback?


yes, it's the unknown poster who saved america

while you all barby cued....


back atcha pansy boy.

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Posted by: Abigone | June 3, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

SCC: "stretch"
I've been too long at the fair today.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

dancing trees have naught
on the love swirling around
an elven princess

Posted by: DNA_Girl | June 3, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse


Life is about meeting the situations that make us uncomfortable in a manner that allows us to grow rather than avoide...


Having the termerity of purpose to approach a situation without a pat response is the ability to become part of the existent stream which is all....

that being said what you have agreed to feast on is what you know to be agreeable not what is the truth...

truth is knowable in the context of a shared belief system as something that extends the complexity of fearsistance to feel shards of darkness lightened, or in other words what has no place makes one....and moves fear aside as a pursuit of obviousness....

Ruumi on soap

Posted by: Bud Mellman...winking at you


fear the world shards....

check outthedarkcrystalNOIDS...

bowyah.

adios.

faretheewell chips.

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Posted by: Abigone | June 3, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

thanks, Abigone, for saving america!

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh DNA_Girl, how sweet of you! I'll copy and save that for her.

Posted by: badsneakers | June 3, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

How do they plan to get that device number "4" down over the pipe? The oil gushing out must knock it around all over the place.

Posted by: Jim19 | June 3, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I appreciate this boodle for what it is to me: informative and entertaining. Thanks to all you retired professionals, hill people, and housewives of a higher SES for all the recipes, insight and useless trivia. Please forgive my 'inability to articulate' (people like me have forced y'all into hackneying that phrase to cliche'dom come)...I struggle making a clear point without blurting.

Posted by: teddymzuri | June 3, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

and Scottynuke who
glows in the dark break of dawn
waving in the morn

Posted by: DNA_Girl | June 3, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

DNA_girl that was beautiful.

A great job by your granddaughter sneaks, I am very impressed.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 3, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

not a problem, youdda done it too, if you cudda

right...

yowzah....yup yup yup

Quitting the paradise I existed within I descended to the earth plane to explain the miracle of beingness to the frogs of love. Swiveling around I beheld the pregnant pause of her friendliknees winking at me.

I bent over to pick up the cliche I had dropped, all was silent as I moved towards the open skys. Buttressing my personal favorite alliances were a pair of dove coats, within swaining distance....

Water drifted underneath the fog of my awareness as I saw a pinnacle of doubt swimming towards me. I threw my bowl of emptiness to the winds and began throwing a stick into the water....she lunged for it.

Posted by: Afro Mercy Dec 18, 2005 2:04:12

It became apparent something was occuring that she had no prior knowledge of, thank gawd....

Pleasant kissing of the muse speckled the egg of her puissance....melting all resistance to the understanding of the naked absence of malice.

Posted by: Lifting her brows with pernicious twisting

Posted by: Abigone | June 3, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I thinking that right about now we could use lot more blurting and less incoherent rambling from bots, teddymzuri.

Posted by: Yoki | June 3, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

teddy... I think you articulate perfectly! I'm glad you've been popping in for the non-hockey discussions, too!

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Appropriate of nothing, I'll be watching the "Burn Notice" season premiere starting -- now.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | June 3, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I wish you would pop in more often these days, TBG.

Posted by: Yoki | June 3, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Do not look at these pictures of oil-covered pelicans if you do not want to be either outraged or despondent.

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/caught_in_the_oil.html

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Yello there is a photo series on the Wapo site that I looked at earlier that we so sad, not sure I am up to another look will need a while to look to see if yours are similar or the same.

Just saw this story, so that is why they call it the City of Brotherly Love - well done to the good Samaritan who jumped in to help a person in need, and to Ron McLeans' willingness to help - I am not surprised.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/article/818815--sportscaster-ron-maclean-helps-rescue-man-from-river?bn=1

Posted by: dmd3 | June 3, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse


*POP*

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

What is that waving spongy thing at the bottom of the sea, next to the Lost in Space robot?

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

back fer a sec

Go #4!

so many lives depend upon you

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

tzenik,

freedo, albeit...zadoy.

Posted by: Abigone | June 3, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty riveting to watch, isn't it shrink? (no puns intended)

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I mean, you just want to yell, "Just pick it up a little and drop it on!"

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

watch this

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/Enterprise_ROV_2.html


Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Hellllyeah

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse


Fun with oil wells. 7:30 is the magic minute, but the whole thing is worth it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bnXIqlFiKg

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 3, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I keep thinking if I lean my body the right way the robot will move the cap with me. It's involuntary.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Uh, they lower a BOP over an out-of-control well. At about minute 6, not 7

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 3, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Sure doesn't look good down there.

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/OceanInterventionROV2.html

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

It looks like the "4" device is being held by tongs attached to a stack of metal or concrete blocks that would give it a lot of inertia. As it gets close, the brown plume is going in all directions.

After the device is on top of the BOP and then firmly attached, why not close the top (put a valve there, of course), stopping the flow? The BOP must be heavy enough, or fastened strongly enough to the pipe, to resist the pressure from below.

Posted by: Jim19 | June 3, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

This feed isn't as clear, but works better...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2005/04/12/VI2005041201240.html

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

so far no good

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Did you see pieces breaking off?

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Heck with the history, touchdown on the real deal.
http://mxl.fi/bpfeeds2/

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 3, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

It is sort of like watching soccer; not much happens but it is still absolutely riveting.

Posted by: Yoki | June 3, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Looks like all he!! is breaking loose down there.

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I am a little confused watching the video, are there explosions going off?

Posted by: dmd3 | June 3, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

It's a good thing they've got that little sponge down there to clean up.

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

A little help from ShamWow, TBG?

Posted by: dmd3 | June 3, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Remember it is just a spill.
BP is the quickerpickerupper.

They need a gecko or something that
is more fun than he,
so sorry to have said,
"I want my life back."

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

TBG,
Soap on a rope. For cleaning off the oil.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

shrink-I've been meaning to ask you, now be honest. When you first stumbled on the boodle, did you think "these people are crazy?"

badsneaks-I tried and tried to read the last one slowly, but failed miserably.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 3, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Rough ride for a few minutes there.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 3, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

FLAMES? WOW!

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

It all looks so chaotic. I don't know if I should be cheering or crying. I assume that this all makes more sense to the engineers in charge.

Gosh, I hope it does.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 3, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

As long as I can remember, I've respected the office of the president, but unfortunately, I no longer feel that way. Obama is a frigging dope. I pray daily that America will survive his incompetence and narcissism.

Posted by: logicprevails | June 3, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I'll be interested in shrink's reply to frostbitten's question.

The night I stumbled in most of you were in the bunker and the CivWar was raging.
Even with Bob-S's invitation I had to lurk for a few days before timidly chiming in again.
Y'all made me feel welcome, but I've received a lot of new info today!

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Jumper yeah, that got my heart rate over 70.

Glad I am not bumping one of those joysticks.

frostbitten, notatall, if you think you people are crazy, spend a month in my world. I can't even watch movies because writers are not crazy, it is all make believe. Start with Titicut Follies, then lets talk about crazy.


Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Note to Canucks with access to TVO, Vivaldi 4 Seasons show just beginning, - an Austrialian production - interesting background music for the BP video.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 3, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Spent the last 3 days doing a robotics camp in Our Fair City. Sad to have such a ready example of the practical applications.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 3, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

frostbitten, where are you?
robotics "camp"?

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

shrink... frosti is the mayor of a small town in rural Minnesota. She's also a former army helicopter pilot and a part-time resident of the Tampa area AND a Hip Urban Loft in St. Paul.

She's obviously very cool.

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

shrink-Our Fair City is a tiny town in MN, so far north I watch enough Canuckistani tv to get their political humor. For fun I teach some elementary robotics to kids using the NXT Mindstorms (think Lego) robotics system. This was a mini day camp. In July we do a residential program, half traditional goofy summer camp stuff, half technology geek out.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 3, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

TBG is one of the cool kids, but as you can see from her 10:22 not the slushy throwing type.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 3, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Titicut Follies. At one time that was required viewing at law school. Eye-opening.

Once again I desert you all for sweet slumber. Buenos gnoccis, vaya con queso, and fondue.

Posted by: Ivansmom | June 3, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I think they could use Michael Weston.

Others have done a fine job introducing us, all I need add is with only 1 exception I can think of, none of us knew each other at all prior to becoming imaginary friends here and physically meeting later, along with spouses, kids, pets. And some still haven't met, as Ivansmom has pointed out, but I know I could pick Ivansmom out in any crowd.

Thanks for telling us about Best Dog. I lost my BD 4 years ago and while I don't love my current pack any less, nobody will ever be Lucie again.

Who's up for a BPL(unch) in Havre de Grace in (early?) August. CqP and I are in, TBG goes anywhere she's invited so we know she'll come :). I'll bring soft pretzels and butter cake for the Philly ex-pats.

Posted by: -dbG- | June 3, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'd like to meet you.
I was born in Mountain Home Idaho.
My father was a flight surgeon and flew over the USSR in B52s. Then my parents bought land from the Convent, St Bens, there in Stearns County, St Joe Mn.

Much later...I learned to fly helicopters...in Bristol Bay...then, I owned an R22, I thrashed a lot of air molecules for 10 years and lived to sell it. Now I have kids and a garden. The end.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

The Kuwaiti oil fires movie was fascinating. It looked hard enough to stop a gusher with a team of roughnecks and all the tools you could want let alone trying it a mile underwater.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

dmd. ShamWow. lol.

Off to bed.

Posted by: -dbG- | June 3, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to come to a bph in Havre de grace in August. Let us know the date.


Posted by: rickoshea11 | June 3, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

shrink... not only have many of us met each other, we've visited and stayed in each others' homes. I think that's saying something.

Did anyone mention rainforest? She's in Brunei. Yes... Brunei. She pops in during the middle of our night (her day) and is very knowledgeable about international business and finance. And lots of other stuff, too. Besides... she's very nice.

We have lost a few fave boodlers along the way: some have drifted off and one, that we know of, has passed away. He was known here as Error Flynn.

That was a loss that hit us all a lot harder than we could have imagined. Only one of us had met him in real life, but a few of us attended his funeral in New Jersey. I told his mom that I doubt she realized people all over the world were crying about her son's death.

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I watched that cap go on, and may have detatched a retina. Saw what looked like flames, too, TBG. Weird.

The contraption does look to me like a leftover from the Disney film "The Black Hole." [should we call it BoB?]

I guess we'll be told later tonight how well it's working. And your guess is as good as mine as to how accurate what we're being told actually is.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | June 3, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

In other news... this story just keeps getting weirder and weirder...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/03/AR2010060304334.html?nav=hcmodule

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Asteroid or cometary impact on Jupiter, a few hours ago. Video available here: http://spaceweather.com/

This is amazing! Hundreds of years with nothing like this observed, then Shoemaker-Levy 9 happened. Then 15 more years, and then we get two within a year of each other. What gives?

Posted by: ScienceTim | June 3, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I am off to bed, much as I would like to continue watching this 4 Seasons show I can't. Really well done, each season is in a different location and people speak of the region and musicians talk about the importance of the movements of the music. So far Spring and the Cherry Blossoms in Tokyo, Summer in Australia and Thursday Island, Fall in NYC.

Goodnight all.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 3, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm going off to watch Stewart and then Colbert. For me, this has been a gold star day on the 'boodle for many reasons. I'll be able to remember, should I want to search the archive, because it would have been my father's 80th birthday.

Good night to all.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

G'night talitha. If it would have been his 80th, then he died way too young.

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Page 415 and I'm done for tonight. Think I'm glad I haven't been watching the well. Time to laugh with Jon Stewart.

Posted by: badsneakers | June 3, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

TBG, there isn't a day that goes by that I don't think of Error.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | June 3, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, thanks for that documentary recommend. I'm not sure I could watch it without screaming at the screen, but good to know it's something I should watch.

Yes, the prevailing advice in writerly magazines is that readers want characters they can empathize with, nobody is totally evil, etc. Villians have to be non-obvious to keep the suspense going, and interesting.

Entertainment, not reality. Nobody really wants to be shown what's under the rock. Dickens managed it by entertaining first and foremost, and really knowing those people as his own.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 3, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Toodles boodle and sweet dreams.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 3, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Hugs talitha, Monday would have been my Dads 79th birthday.

Oh my, winter is set in Finland - might have to stay up for this.

Posted by: dmd3 | June 3, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Nani. I miss Nani.

Posted by: ScienceTim | June 3, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Tim.

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 3, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

A fresh Achenbach story featuring the President's next trip to New Orleans. With contributions from the growing pack of Post reporters working on oil.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/03/AR2010060300416.html?hpid=topnews

Another Jupiter impact is amazing. Gotta check with the astrologers and radio preachers to see if The End is nigh.

Yesterday, a Rhode Island visitor to Florida was asking about trees with orange leaves. Those were orange flowers, as in royal poinciana or árbol de flamboyán or Delonix regia. I guess New Englanders see orange and think fall. Japan in fall is great for neon maples.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | June 3, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

SciTim,
Maybe we weren't paying close enough attention before. That and random events tend to cluster. Or else they wouldn't be truly random.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

What an amazing time we live in... We're watching video of an operation taking place a mile under water AND video of an impact on Jupiter. JUPITER. Wow.

So... Yoki wanted me to pop in and where's Yoki?

G'night all. Day off tomorrow so I'll probably be back in the morning. Looks like I get to babysit my 19-month old great-niece on Saturday. I love being Thea TBG. :-)

Posted by: -TBG- | June 3, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else thinking that the $69 million bill was deliberately kept under the $75M cap to deliberately avoid a showdown?

Posted by: yellojkt | June 3, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Huh, yello - I thought about that $69M figure, too.

Yes, too young and 13 years ago, TBG.
Thanks for the hugs, dmd3, and back to you.
Stewart helped me smile, though. I love it went he sticks it to Glenny Beckers!

. . . really, goodnight.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 3, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod_Gnome

This is big medicine,

"Nobody really wants to be shown what's under the rock. Dickens managed it by entertaining first and foremost, and really knowing those people as his own."

You can't guess this, how do you know this?


Posted by: shrink2 | June 3, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama is so far ahead of most people, so much more mature, confident and self-aware, that some haters just don't know how to deal with it.

Posted by: sternenator1 | June 3, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

I am not liking this at all. Looking at the video feeds that show the top of the BOP and the bottom of the cap--there is a massive amount of oil pouring out from where these two pieces meet. If this is the best the cap is going to do, then the cap is an epic fail. Of course, we're not hearing anything from BP (as usual). Maybe they have some secret lever they're going to pull that seals the place where the BOP meets the cap and everything will be good. Or maybe Superman is going to spin the Earth backwards, reverse the flow of time, and seal the well before the accident ever happens. I figure it must be one or the other.

Posted by: ElJocko | June 3, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

No worries, Hayward, unlike Obama, is in charge of reality.

Look, he just promised that his company would clean up every drop of oil and restore the shoreline to its original state.

"every drop"

"the" "shoreline"

"original state"

This man is in need of time away.
Far away.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 4, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Finished it right at 11:59, ftb.

Wow.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | June 4, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Remember, never trust your eyes.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 4, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Your coverage of the technical details of the engineering effort at the well head are the best I've read.

Thank you and please continue the good work.

Posted by: markwamt | June 4, 2010 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Your coverage of the technical details of the engineering effort at the well head are the best I've read.

Thank you and please continue the good work.

Posted by: markwamt | June 4, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Hi Al, been mostly lurking (to borrow a handle) since i got a full time job May 3. Doing maintenance at the Britt (see brittfest.org) getting ready for the June 13 opening is usually putting me to bed after a welcome home scotch and I am only able to lurk during my before work coffee. Muscles and bones got a little out of shape.
Cool wet spring here on the left coast with late frosts kept my mater seedling under the grow light until two weeks ago. Radishes and snap peas doing good in the raised bed. Something ate almost all the onion sprouts. Peonies growing tall but no buds yet. 3 hills of zuks showing green.
I have to find a brush hogger to come this weekend if the rains stop. Some of the fescue and oats down below the house are almost head high.
Finally looks like they got some kind of top something on the end of the pipe. Now hook it up to a mile long straw and bleed the stuff into a tanker.

Posted by: bh72 | June 4, 2010 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Mission Accomplished?? The live feed has gone black.

Posted by: bh72 | June 4, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

So Britt is alive. I think I saw some bad news about the historical society.

I've poked around the Jacksonville cemetery a couple of times, hoping to spot a rare fritillaria. No luck, but did wander into a Ducati the second time.

I regret missing "Throne of Blood: the play" at Ashland.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | June 4, 2010 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Quip of the day:

"...Obama, whose power does not include technological leverage at the bottom of the Gulf." -JA

Posted by: -tao- | June 4, 2010 6:08 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning. I don't think logicprevails is on track. That is a unanimous opinion.

Posted by: shilohgun | June 4, 2010 6:30 AM | Report abuse

Your morning wake-up song:

http://www.fox.com/watch/glee/88866000001?start=1351&stop=1530

Brought to you by this survey:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/02/AR2010060204592.html

Posted by: yellojkt | June 4, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse

*trying-to-get-through-a-half-day-so's-I-can-take-an-old-family-friend-to-see-the-Sawx-win-at-Camden-Yards-tonight Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 4, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

So, what next? If there isn't much, or any, oil reaching the surface, where do we go from here?

I'm thinking we start dropping stuff down the riser and into the BOP. You know, stuff heavy enough to overcome the outward flow. Maybe ball bearings. Or magical vibrating crystals.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 4, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Or really little nuclear warheads.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 4, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Or Vegemite.

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 4, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

A slurry of Vegemite, peanut butter, and (for micro structures to crystallize on) chocolate-y jimmies.

I do not think that fruity jimmies are up to the task. YJ and SD can explain the higher co-efficient of mojo in chocolate-y jimmies compared to fruity jimmie.

Jimmies? Like sprinkles. From WikiP:
Some American manufacturers deem the elongated opaque sprinkles the official sprinkles. In British English, these are sugar strands or hundreds-and-thousands (the latter term is often used to refer to the multi-colored [rather than the chocolate] type). In the northeastern United States, sprinkles are often referred to as jimmies. Jimmies are considered to be chocolate and sprinkles to be the multi-colored variety, while the term "jimmies" is used more generically elsewhere. END QUOTE

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 4, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Velvetta.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 4, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Lutefisk...

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 4, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

scrapple

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 4, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Thai chili-garlic paste with peanut sauce.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 4, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Rush Limbaugh

Posted by: Raysmom | June 4, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Yes Raysmom-with Glenn Beck in reserve on the off chance Rush wasn't enough.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 4, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Haggis made out of Rush's organ meats, cooked in his gut, of course.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 4, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Gasbags to staunch gas flow. Good ideas.

Posted by: shilohgun | June 4, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Nah, neither Limbaugh nor Beck nor Bachmann would work... Gas (or hot air, to be more specific) compresses under pressure, so they'd be useless in this instance. Oh wait, that's a true statement for most any instance.

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 4, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

You know, that containment device thingy sure is moving around a lot. When is it supposed to start working, whatever that actually means? And I could of sworn I saw some of those little pipes and tubes, the ones Mrs. Snodgrass' star eighth grade Sci-Fi design award winner thought would look cool with the Oz like green methanol smoke wafting out of it...tear off the side and fly away...into the gloom.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 4, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

What? No. No way you're stuffing Rush Limbaugh down that pipe while leaving Ann Coulter behind, up here on dry land.

No, it's a package deal: both or neither. It's a deal-breaker to seperate them.

Round Two of the draft: Beck and Malkin. In a slurry.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 4, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Mudge -- 'slurry' is a great word, nicht wahr?

The existential-scientific Gulp and Go Plus Gestalt would offer this instead of Slurpee/Slushie/CaffieIcies.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 4, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

There is something fascinating about injecting various unsavory materials deep within the earth.

This reminds me of a short story I read many years ago. I can't remember who wrote it, so if any of you literate-types recognize the synopsis, I would be grateful. I doubtless have some details wrong:

A man walks into his back yard and sees that a huge glowing hole has formed. He leans over and yells "Hello." He tosses in a stone and observes that it vanishes. Intrigued, he dumps in his household trash. It too vanishes.

Delighted, he invites his neighbors to do the same with their trash. Then, sensing the enormous commercial possibilities, he invites local municipalities, for a modest fee, to use this magical portal to dispose of mountains of trash.

This catches on big time. Soon hazardous materials, nuclear waste, and all manner of toxic noisome substances are being disposed of in this way.

The man grows rich. The earth is a cleaner place.

Then, one day years later, as he walks from his palatial mansion, he notices a glowing hole forming above him.

He hears his own voice yell "hello."

And a rock comes through the hole to land at his feet.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | June 4, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

RD, if it wasn't from Twilight Zone maybe Horton Hears a Who? Kidding . . . . . oh, a short story, hmmmmm.

Posted by: talitha1 | June 4, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I am glad were laughing because if this is progress I can't wait for it to get worse.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 4, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

"The Pit and the Pendulum Without the Pendulum"?

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 4, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure Ann Coulter is thick enough to stop anything up.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 4, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

YJ -- like the jimmies, AC can be a precipitating structure....like micro strands or carbon nanotubules, etc.

And, I am still waiting on the coefficient of mojo of choc-jimmies v. fruit-jimmies. The coefficient also explains the dif between CoCoPebbles and FruitPebbles; likewise, Skittles v. M&Ms...

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | June 4, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Coefficient of choco-jimmies and coefficient of M&ms over skittles are approximately equal: 4.7 orders of magnitude better.

Plus there's the antioxidants.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 4, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Got an e-mail this morning with this in it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDFCTeQlz08

Hilarious. Pay attention to the disclaimer at the end.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 4, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

How does the coefficient change when one considers dark, milk or white chocolate, 'Mudge?

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 4, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

The only formulas I know which relate to mojo (particularly the Austin Powers variety) have to do with the angle of the dangle, and you really don't want to know the rest.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 4, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Excellent and typically perspicacious question, Scotty. Yes, it does. Milk chocolate is the baseline, 4.7. Dark raises it slightly, to 4.9. White chocolate, which actually contains no chocolate whatsover, and is only sugar, reduces it way down, to 1.6. Barely worth using, in other words. And no antioxidants in it, either.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 4, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

The Christian Science Monitor had this really good piece by Mark Clayton in it the other day, at http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0602/Before-BP-oil-spill-Big-Oil-led-study-urged-feds-to-cut-safety-testing

"Before BP oil spill, Big Oil-led study urged feds to cut safety testing The 2009 study intensifies suspicions that Big Oil interests trumped US safety regulations, a concern that has been growing since the BP oil spill.

By Mark Clayton , /Staff writer
posted June 2, 2010 at 3:47 pm EDT

"Blowout preventers – crucial safety devices in offshore drilling that are supposed to preclude undersea oil gushers like the one in the Gulf of Mexico – have failed 62 times during testing in Gulf waters over three years.

"A 2009 reliability study of blow-out preventers deployed in the Gulf of Mexico also found that four of those breakdowns were "safety critical failures," meaning the equipment malfunction was serious enough to have allowed "an uncontrolled release" of crude oil from the well bore.

"The study, which has not before been reported in the press, is an example of the coziness between government regulators and the oil industry that has been much criticized since the Gulf oil spill , some say. Funded mainly by oil companies but with participation by the US Minerals Management Service (MMS), the study examines whether it is possible to scale back the frequency of safety testing required on blowout preventers. Such testing "is costly," the study notes. "Thus, a study to evaluate the relationship between testing and its impact on safety and environmental performance was warranted."

"Its conclusions? Less testing. The study recommended that pressure testing of most blowout preventer systems occur a minimum of every 35 days rather than every 14 days. That would save the industry about $193 million a year, according to the study's prospectus. However, for the least-reliable component of blowout preventers – the hydraulic and electrical control systems – the study recommended keeping "function tests" at their current weekly rate.

more

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 4, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I was thinking we should throw a whole bunch of eggplant down there. You know how they soak up oil.

And is that a toilet I see on the so-called spillcam? That could explain a lot.

Posted by: -TBG- | June 4, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

2

some excerpts:

"The reduction in testing was never adopted, but the study highlights federal reliance on industry recommendations and intensifies suspicions that industry interests have been trumping US safety regulations...

"Because of their multiple valve redundancy, BOPs have long been seen as working almost flawlessly, as statements from industry and government have implied.

"The April 20 explosion on the Deepwater Horizon rig would not have happened if the "fail-safe" blowout preventer had worked as expected, Lamar McKay, chairman and president of BP America, told the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee in May.

"Before the blowout, it is clear that there was an assumption that a BOP would never fail," Janet Napolitano, secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, told a Senate committee recently.

"Of course, leaks have occurred as oil companies plumbed the Outer Continental Shelf for new energy supplies. MMS has recorded 39 blowouts in US waters from 1992 to 2006 – despite the use of BOPs...

"During safety testing, BOP components and control systems had 62 failures across 238 subsea wells drilled over three years (2004-06) in the Gulf of Mexico.

"•Four of the 62 BOP breakdowns were "safety critical failures," ...

"Using the study's data, a Monitor analysis shows there was one "safety critical" failure for every 59.5 wells drilled in the test period, and one per 9.5 rigs....

"The study also found big disparities between the failure rates of older blowout preventers and newer models. BOP failure rates also varied by company: Some firms' equipment failed six times sooner than other firms' BOPs"....

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 4, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I keep wondering. What does it feel like, knowing you're responsible for such a catastrophic event? Mainly I think of guilt as a non-productive emotion, but I sure hope these guys don't.

The jimmies discussion this morning is riveting. CqP, may I say I have been transported to box canyons of joy by your whimsy.

Posted by: -dbG- | June 4, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all.

Warm muffins, coffee and OJ on the table.

Boodle mojo coefficient is probably 2-4 times greater than other brands of blog mojo.

Coefficient is greater when its dark chocolate, but all chocolate is pretty good.

At the French Open the Williames are up a set in the women's doubles finals and the men's singles semi-final between Soderling and Berdych has gone to the 5th set.

And there's still beaucoup goo coming outta the well.

Posted by: MsJS | June 4, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

TBG, it *does* look like a ucky-lemonyellow (related to '60s avocado green) toilet down there.

Seriously, does anyone know if the angle of the livecam feed from wapo is looking down from the top of the bop-cap toward the seafloor?

Posted by: talitha1 | June 4, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Reading back a few kits, believe I have stumbled on something. How come when a certain density of wing nut posts is reached, the boodlerati make oblique, though still specific (is that an oxymoron?) references to a "bunker"? A bunker mentality? Everybody goes to an undisclosed location? Or does everyone just lay out for awhile when the bunker is invoked, like until the raccoons wander off to the next blog, looking for people who think feeding wild animals is a good idea?

Posted by: shrink2 | June 4, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

#2 granddaughter graduates from high school tonight; massive party at her house tomorrow afternoon. She's going to culinary school. (#1 granddaughter starts her junior year in college in the fall; she's going to be an el-ed teacher.)

God, I can't believe how old I am. Two grandbabbies out of high school. Where did the time go? I held them both when they were only hours old.

*taking a verklempt moment*

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 4, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I do propose a new unit called the Haywood Factor. It is the idiocy of the comment multiplied by the severity of the situation. For example, saying that he wants his life back earns a 50 for idiocy and a 100 for situation.

This unit was previously known as the Brownie from Dubya saying "You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie." which earned an 80 for idiocy (Brownie was NOT doing a heckuva job) and a 90 for severity (the destruction of New Orleans).

Posted by: yellojkt | June 4, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I am looking at this cam, which one are you looking at?

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/Enterprise_ROV_2.html

Posted by: shrink2 | June 4, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

#2 granddaughter graduates from high school tonight; massive party at her house tomorrow afternoon. She's going to culinary school. (#1 granddaughter starts her junior year in college in the fall; she's going to be an el-ed teacher.)

God, I can't believe how old I am. Two grandbabbies out of high school. Where did the time go? I held them both when they were only hours old.

*taking a verklempt moment*

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 4, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

shrink, when the noise gets too great we abandon the current boodle (coefficient = 0)and head for the 'bunker.'

The boodle coefficient for the bunker is minus one.

Posted by: MsJS | June 4, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Well Mr. Mudge, you must have done many, many things right. Congratulations are in order.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 4, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

*faxin' 'Mudge a spare doily to dab the eyes, etc.*

Posted by: Scottynuke | June 4, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

10 4

Posted by: shrink2 | June 4, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm looking at this one, shrink...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2005/04/12/VI2005041201240.html

The Bunker is really two places: one is an imaginary respite from the crazies. We talk about it like it's real, but talking about it can make us feel like we're really there and give us some feeling of inner control when trolls are plenty.

It's quite a nice place: a combination of manliness and femininity. You know... animal heads on the walls and doilies and antimacassars on the chairs. We have a few Kinkades but they are really a joke, as none of us really likes his paintings of light. There's a fridge that's always stocked with good stuff and we do have breakfast in the "ready room" available most days.

The REAL bunker is the previous boodle. When things get REALLY bad... when there are more trolls than boodlers, we retreat there. Anyone who wants can join us there and oftentimes new boodlers emerge from that bunker, having found us during their flight from the craziness.

Posted by: -TBG- | June 4, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Oops. No idea how that happened.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | June 4, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

There there,'mudge. What do you expect, after a couple of hundred years you'd have to have a selection of older grandchildren, if family history is anything to go by.

Shrink, the bunker is actually two things. At its best, it is an imaginary undisclosed location, a vast underground lair that expands and contracts as needed. At a minimum, it includes the state-of-the art cockpit from which Curmudgeon and Scotty pilot the Boodle, both mens' and women's washrooms, a fully-equipped kitchen, a billiards room, and a large great-room (which was, with the help of the distaff Boodlers, tastefully (!) redecorated with Lladro sculptures, Kinkead paintings, a fainting couch and unnumbered doilies and antimacassars. A call to the bunker invites fantasy including, inter alia, the provision of fine beverages and victuals (it is always potluck in the bunker), the addition of spaces and/or decor items, and suggestions for defending the perimeter.

At its simplest, it is an invitation to return to the previous Boodle to continue our conversation, leaving the current one to the unpleasant drop-ins. So if you see a comment that we'll see you "back there," we'll be found one Boodle back.

Even so, intrepid stalwarts RD_Padouk, Bob S. and yellojkt (and others) frequently sally out to make rational arguments against the angry mob (admirable, though I doubt they've ever changed anyone's mind on the issue of the day).

Posted by: Yoki | June 4, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Thank you -TBG-

That view is looking down, from right along side the base of the failed "containment vessel" from (I'll guess one fathom) above the camera I was watching.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 4, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

It's been a big coupla weeks at Chez Kguy. Dr. K and I celebrated our 40th anniversary 5/24 and then on Tuesday the Kurosawachick graduated with a M. Arch. from Princeton and won the medal for the highest cumulative GPA in her graduating class. Both results stem from the best decision I ever made, to marry the right woman. Good times.

Posted by: kguy1 | June 4, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

This is kind of nice, shrink. The opportunity to explain ourselves. If you didn't think we were crazy when you first got here, I'm sure you do now! (not a reference to your handle)

My husband has a PhD in clinical psychology. He is horrible at any kind of therapy or counseling so he's never even tried, except for what was required in his training; his specialty is neuropsych as his educational background was biology and neuroanatomy and other brain stuff. His "thing" is testing, research and statistics.

But folks who know his doctorate is in psychology worry that he's always analyzing them, which is hilarious if you know him.

I know you are an MD... a psychiatrist, right? Do you find that people react the same way?

Posted by: -TBG- | June 4, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Shrink will no longer need to speculate on the nature of the bunker :-).

Posted by: Yoki | June 4, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Great minds and all that, Yoki, but your explanations were much better.

But we've mudged ourselves. New kit.

Posted by: -TBG- | June 4, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

New kit.

Posted by: kguy1 | June 4, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

First Rule of Boodle Bunker: Do not talk about The Bunker.

No, not really. The first level is the Front Page Alert meaning that we should all be on guard for a higher than normal level of drive-by inanity.

Then we stock and prepare the bunker with food, booze, TP, knitting yarn, Victory at Sea DVDs, etc, necessary for an extended stay.

If and when we actual retreat to the bunker you will be told where to go. A few stalwarts will stay in the current boodle to maintain a rearguard troll defense. Fortunately, trolls, like zombies, are easily bored and it is usually safe to come out of the bunker within twenty four hours or when a new kit is posted.

Since WaPo started allowing comments on the news stories, full bunker retreats only happen once or twice a year. More often if Karl Rove is in the news.

Posted by: yellojkt | June 4, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Fatuous garden comment alert and bear update-

Blue bliss is finally achieved. Irises and salvia in full glory with nice white roses and wild asters (look like daisies) to set them off. Jacob's ladder just starting to flower and should take over from the Irises as they finish.

The little cub whose birth was streamed via den cam has been abandoned by her mother,a second time. The researchers intervened with supplemental food and are monitoring the situation via trail cams but are not attempting to reunite them yet again. Here's a link to a picture that demonstrates why all blogs need more bears:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6196054&id=263755115498

Posted by: frostbitten1 | June 4, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

FYI shrink2, a "Front Page Alert" means a kit (by Achenbach) has been given prominent attention by WaPo, thus inviting trolls, crazies, and undesirable elements (e.g. teabaggers and their ilk) to easily comment. It means "be prepared for a retreat to the bunker," but some of us prefer to engage the enemy, sometimes inciting them to a foaming of mouth and gnashing of teeth or other apoplexic reactions - and sometimes discovering good boodle candidates in the process.

Posted by: shilohgun | June 4, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

NASA has just released follow-up photos of the LAST Jupiter impact. They had better speed it up; at this rate they will get behind.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/jupiter-strike.html

Also, I need suggestions for my website. Any takers?
http://morebestofwiki.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Jumper1 | June 4, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

-TBG- yes, of course, except my wife, thankfully, she knows I am not all that.

Oddly, I've noticed the smarter people are the more likely they are to ascribe to me, project I should say, preternatural abilities. And since I started working with the criminally insane a few years ago, I have noticed I do not need to fight the tendency to diagnose everybody. But when I was in private practice, working with ordinary folks, it was much more difficult to stop.


Posted by: shrink2 | June 4, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

shrink... like editing. It's a curse to be an editor and have to edit, like... all the time.

All those signs with "Low Prices Everyday!" and "Member's Only!"

Posted by: -TBG- | June 4, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Shrink, Dickens's biography is well known, but about the "under the rock" thing: I'm deaf.

See "The Mask of Benevolence" by Harlan Lane, another psychologist, and "Through Deaf Eyes"-- the history of America.

Eugenics laws targeted alcoholics, mentally ill, and also deaf people around the turn of century in America. The Final Solution was applied to the mentally, physically, and sensorily disabled first in testing before it was applied to the Jewish and other segments of society.

Oh, and children who cannot communicate well to their families and others are prime targets for those who would exploit power and proximity, just like the mentally disabled often are.

Nobody wants to know all this. People want me to be cured of deafness by faith healing or by cochlear implant so I can be "normal."

My perspective to faith-healer types is that God made me this way, they should take their complaints to him directly, not me. To these who think deafness is so easily cured, all I want to say is, "I've lived this long as a deaf person, and you really think I never heard of those operations before you came along and suggested it within five minutes of meeting me, without knowing anything about medicine or deafness? I'm deaf, not an idiot."

I do have an awful lot of misanthropy going on, but I'm watching it along with my blood cholesterol.


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 4, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Glad you got out of private practice then, Shrink.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | June 4, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

CqP and Wilbrod, you two are just too nice to me.

Posted by: omni3 | June 4, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

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