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Obscure blogger gets big break from Rush rant

On his radio show yesterday, Rush Limbaugh expressed some disagreement with my item about the Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero. My only problem with what he said was the part at the beginning about me being an "obscure, relatively unknown" member of the media, which happens to be true and thus was really a low blow. It's one thing to be unfair, but another entirely to bring up stuff that polite people know to leave unsaid. It's called manners. It's called not being rude. It's called not saying, "Hey, buddy, what's up with that weird growth on your face?" Or: "Yes, you look kind of fat in that, like some kind of megafauna previously believed to be extinct." So what I'm calling for here is for a little common decency and what is known in the etiquette crowd as "polite inattention."

Here's Rush:

RUSH: Now, let's get to this Muslim business, ladies and gentlemen. Joel Achenbach, an obscure, relatively unknown member of the ruling class partisan political operative media writes a blog at the Washington Post: "Are Americans Total Numskulls? -- God help us." Now, here you have a member of the media, in the Democrat Party, these people don't like God, they don't like Christians. This is what's amazing to me, they're going so far out on a limb here -- well, I mean they're hell-bent on convincing us that Obama is a Christian, and they don't even like Christians, and this guy starts his piece: "God help us"? I mean to these people God is a tree. "Could so many Americans really be that dumb, ill-informed, paranoid, gullible and goofy? It must be tricky being Barack Obama, winding down the U.S. presence in volatile Iraq, trying to keep Afghanistan from degenerating, pondering war with Iran, even as, according to the latest bulletin, one in five Americans thinks he is a Muslim." Yes, he's been working so hard. He's tamed the economy; he's tamed Iraq. The oil spill is fixed, he plugged a hole, and now he gets to go to Martha's Vineyard.

And Mr. Achenbach is very disturbed at the stupidity of you people, nearly 20% of you, 25, depending on the poll, believe that he is a Muslim. "Why not just believe he's an alien from outer space? Or a Manchurian Candidate, programmed by, say, the Chinese to bring America to ruin? Crazy times. It's also dismaying that so many Americans are opposed to the mosque near Ground Zero. In America you can worship wherever you want, regardless of religious belief. We protect religious minorities here. This isn't merely the law: It's a core value." Like this guy would know what a core value is. These are the people that smirk at core values. These are the people that tell us to shut up about the social issues.

By the way, a brief departure. This business that the mosque is illegal to build, is it against the law to let your 16-year-old who just got his license to drive the car? No. It's perfectly legal. Would you let your 16-year-old who just got his driver's license drive the family car across the country with a car full of friends? No. Does he have the right to do it? Yeah. Should he do it? Ain't no way, Jose. Good parents shouldn't shy away from these questions, they would embrace them, make a decision not based on a technical reading of the law, whether something is legal. Should you do it? These are judgment calls. I mean, for crying out loud, all kinds of things are legal but they're stupid to do sometimes. Anyway, this Achenbach piece, I mean this is classic. This is ruling class elitism to a T. You people are idiots, open idiots, fools, bigots, racists, stupid. Why in the world would you think Obama's a Muslim? Why, his father was, one of his mothers was, was an atheist. He has said the most beautiful sound in the world is the Muslim call to prayer at sundown. I mean, why would people think it? Aunt Zeituni, why would anybody think this? You know, on and on and on and on.

He says, "This goes back to the Pilgrims, I seem to recall. The backers of the mosques are the good guys, the ones who preach tolerance. There should be no hedging on this at all from American leaders: If we can't allow a mosque in lower Manhattan we might as well close shop for good and turn out the lights. A lot of times, polls are deceiving, through vague wording, or perhaps by not giving people enough information to start with. For example, the question about the mosque may not have been framed in a way that made clear that this would not be a place to advance the cause of radical Islam, jihad --" what does this guy think mosques are? The divide here -- it's like, remember the brilliant but brief verbal essay yesterday on where we are with the media. There's is such a divide. We're the enemy. Their audience is the enemy. They actually do their work for other journalists and for the regime. Achenbach, I'm sure, wrote this piece hoping that it would be widely read in the West Wing and that it might be highlighted on MSNBC.

"What this shows is that disinformation remains powerful and infectious, and that large elements of the country distrust the official story about anything." Who writes the official story, Mr. Achenbach? You do. And that's the one thing in this piece that's right. You are damn right the vast majority of the American people do not trust you, do not trust what is known as the mainstream media. You're a bunch of hyperbolic scare mongers. Why do you think we called you Drive-By? Look at what you did to the Gulf of Mexico with this oil spill. Look at the tourism damage you did, you and your colleagues, over nothing. Perfect example, Drive-By Media, you guys run in there, you create all this havoc, it's a crisis, it's a disaster, and you wait for these, and you want 'em to be as bad as they can be, and then when they don't materialize, there you go down the road on to the next place that you're gonna strike while people have to clean up the mess you made. The biggest mess in the Gulf of Mexico is the one the media made, not the oil. Speaking of that, a bunch people said, "Oh, yeah, that damn oil still is there." The regime is lying. The regime's trying to get this issue off the table. And the story actually says an invisible plume of oil, an invisible plume of oil can be seen. Excuse me. Invisible plume of oil can be seen. How is that possible?

So, anyway, Mr. Achenbach, let me help you out here. The reason that we are at a starting point of thinking everything is a lie is because of people like you. We don't trust the Fake Media. You are partisan political operatives disguised as journalists. Thank God we have the New Media, we have the Internet so we can find out what is true because we won't find out what's true in the ever-shrinking pages was The Washington Post, the New York Times, or any other cable network or newspaper.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: You can say what you want about this mosque controversy, but nobody has lost their jobs because of it, Mr. Achenbach, like they have lost their jobs because of the professional left's media hysteria and intentional lies about the BP spill in the Gulf of Mexico. We got a wish we got a drilling moratorium because of your panic, because of Obama's agenda. At least nobody's losing their jobs here over this mosque business.

By Joel Achenbach  |  August 21, 2010; 8:18 AM ET
 
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Mr. A, if you're that obscure why would Rush opine for so long about you?

Tee hee.

Posted by: MsJS | August 21, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

mr. joel: if mr. rush doesn't like something you said, i think that means you hit the mother lode of truth. nice going.

Posted by: butlerguy | August 21, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Ah! Ah! Some of the last kit's comments were simply Rush Regurgitations!

In writing, the lack of logic and the abundant use of strawmen is even more obvious.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | August 21, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations, Joel. Now it might be time to go take a shower.

Posted by: ftb3 | August 21, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I know who Joel is; he's written a bunch of books I have. But who the hell is this Rush guy?

Of course, he did misquote you, slightly. You had numbskulls, with a "b" in it. Rush's version leaves out the b: numskull.

Probably not worth sending Rush a correction, methinks.

Hey, at least Rush didn't accuse you of not knowing about corps values.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | August 21, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I guess I sense a conservative-fundamentalist appeal to "common sense" hiding among all that verbiage.

Sort of odd how a bit of opinion in the blog can overshadow some impressive reporting and writing on shutting down the Gulf gusher.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 21, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

It's obvious that Limburger has forgotten how to read, given his take on JA's coverage of the Gulf disatrahoohie...

Then again, his form of rabblerou... I mean, "entertainment," always has had issues properly perceiving reality, mais non?

*glad-to-be-back-to-a-fully-Boodle-compatible-computer-but-facing-a-long-honey-do-list Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 21, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Oh good grief.

You know, I've never listened to Mr. Limbaugh, and I'm glad. What a mess of meaningless illogical goop. Some of the hostile comments from yesterday made more sense. This sounds like a rant from some guy at the bar whose had a few too many boilermakers.

The underlying problem, of course, is that Mr. Limbaugh treats an incredibly diverse collection of people as a monolithic entity. It all comes back to what I said a few days ago about the difference between a Muslim and "The Muslims." Or, in this case, a member of the media and "The Media." Or worse, "The Left." Rush is ranting against a mythical Hive Mind.

Now, as SD mentions, at least now we know where some of the hostile comments originated. A bit depressing, though. These weren't all people who decided to check out the Achenblog because they hear Joel writes real good. No, a bunch were just were the faithful attack doggies of Rush Limbaugh.

Well, I guess this does represent some kind of notoriety. As Oscar Wilde said, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.

Now, that there is a market for Rush's show doesn't surprise me. It's ideological pornography. I mean, nobody much cares if a porno flick makes sense.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 21, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

You reveal the thinking of the Libs. They are happy to betray their country if they get noticed doing it.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | August 21, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse


Congratulations, Joel, on being less obscure than the rest of us.

Posted by: edbyronadams | August 21, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

OldAtlantic, that you equate political liberalism with treason not only makes you one of the numbskulls, it also makes you a [sphincter] of the first water. You have nothing worthwhile to say, and there is no reason to take your opinion seriously.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | August 21, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

So much of the last 24 hours now makes sense.

And I like that he blames Joel personally for the Gulf oil spill.

"The biggest mess in the Gulf of Mexico is the one the media made, not the oil." is just such vintage Rush Lie that it needs no further embellishment.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 21, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Scotty,
I think Rush is wholly oblivious to Joel's Pulitzer-level coverage of the BP Spill and just decided to use him as a whipping boy for the media in general. Which is probably just as well.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 21, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

*SIGH*

I'm more proud than ever to be a speck on the Achenblog, to have read Mr.A's books and his coverage of Macondo, to know the joy of sharing thoughts with boodlers.

Has there ever been a bunker within a bunker? ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | August 21, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Exactly so, yello.

To paraphrase a somewhat pseudonymynous science blogger I regularly read, Limburger loves to erect straw men the approximate size of Burning Man and then lay down a swath of napalm-grade stupid to light the whole thing off. *SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 21, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Along those lines, Fred Grimm's column at the Miami Herald doesn't mention straw or napalm, but maybe worth a look. There's still oil out there. Lots of it.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/18/1782678/when-science-is-inconvenient-just.html

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 21, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Wow. I've never willingly read anything Rush ranted about before. So slimy and cynical. I'd love to know where this "Left" is, because to my mind it's about as organized as it was in the 60s - which is to say, not at all.

In case you missed Joel's very good article about the BP/gummint response, here's the link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/20/AR2010082005747.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010082005804
DaveoftheCoonties linked to it in a previous Boodle, and it's on the WaPo home page for now, but that may not last. I like seeing that Steven Chu was involved in some instrumental decisions.

Oh, and this is good news too:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/republican-party/republican-national-committee-2.html

Posted by: seasea1 | August 21, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I've occasionally been forced to "listen" to Limbag when I've been stuck in a taxi. What I find fascinating is that his followers don't find it offensive that he is a known drug addict and that he takes drugs for ED. To me, that's the real funny stuff. Perhaps they can relate???

Time for lunch.

Posted by: ftb3 | August 21, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

After 2 days of onslaught by people I did not expect here, I now have been forced (by habit) to read Rush Limbaugh. I wish things would go back to normal, which means to being educating and entertaining.

Posted by: gmbka | August 21, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Very cool, Joel! You made the big time with the little mind. An impressive collection of non sequiturs by him and his followers. I'm reminded of the title of the junior senator from Minnesota's book about the blowhard.

Posted by: -pj- | August 21, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering about the storm because I linksearched yesterday and nothing much came up.

He implied Joel "smirked." I'm fascinated by this clue to the mindset. Apparently, being smirked (or sneered) at is the ultimate insult to the fluctuating-self-esteem crowd. One sees this remark regularly among them.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 21, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

This suggests that the way to combat this phenomenon is with love and acceptance of the losers. Rats. Sigh.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 21, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I guess my general feeling about Limbaugh is that during his increasing-rare lucid moments he's OK, but that he's spent so much time playing the role of bombastic blowhard that he has great difficulty abandoning it. When he was local in Sacramento in the 1980's, I could enjoy listening to his at-least-occasionally-thoughtful conservative view of things. But shortly after he moved to New York & went national, the (annoying to me) showboating seemed to overwhelm most of the thoughtfulness. Obviously, it was good for ratings.

Posted by: Bob-S | August 21, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

When it comes to Limburg I prefer "shirk", in the avoid and evade sense of the word.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 21, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't imagine that we all see the same advertisements. This one amused me. I'm glad to see that children's menus have started to include more adventurous foods!

http://picasaweb.google.com/boodlestuff/KidsMenu#5507910535369707602

Posted by: Bob-S | August 21, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I have on occasion been driving somewhere and gotten the urge to listen to Rush or Hannity. It is very interesting.

I know a lot of folks who listen to them a lot. I personally don't see why, but what the heck, it is a free country.

I admire folks like Rush in one way: they seized an opportunity given to them to make tens of millions of dollars. They have employed many people that would not have been successful otherwise. All they had to do was play to the worst instincts of their fellow man.

Posted by: baldinho | August 21, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I have enough problems with my blood pressure, I don't need to listen to the likes of Rushbo or Hannity. A pox on all their houses!

It's good that Joel brings them out, though. Then they can prove how stupid, illogical, and mean they really are.

Often I wonder at God's patience with Rush and his ilk. If anybody ever deserved to be struck down, it's Rush.

Posted by: slyness | August 21, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many people who have been loyal listeners of Rush for ten years or so think Obama is evil for listening to Rev. Wright for all that time.

My guess is the percentage is quite high. I bet they see no irony in that.

Posted by: baldinho | August 21, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Just in so I am sorry if this has been covered, but Rush's description of the media made me snort.

Joel Achenbach, an obscure, relatively unknown member of the ruling class partisan political operative media writes a blog at the Washington Post"

Joel you have an international following how can that be obsure, not mention the high quality of your admirers.

Posted by: dmd3 | August 21, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Well said, dmd! Ha! We are better than the average bear, so to speak.

Posted by: seasea1 | August 21, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

baldinho,

If "All they had to do was play to the worst instincts of their fellow man", what does that say about your more or less constant attempt to insult, downplay, and/or mis-characterize the vast majority (silent and not so silent anymore) of US Americans. Maybe you are un-comfortably stirred by the fervence of the response to Naked Ameriphopia now raising it's head and taking off it's sheets and hoods. Yeah, let's have a look at those instincts while WE'RE at it. Maybe you're just fun'n US and it's all a joke to people like you, God knows WE don't need another clone of Olbermann et al from ABMSNBDNCNNBS.

Posted by: RichNomore | August 21, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

While I am at it Joel if I were you I would only care if Rush liked what was written.

Posted by: dmd3 | August 21, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Poor baldinho, you seem to have attracted a familiar. These, you will recall, fall within Spina's classification of demons.

Posted by: Yoki | August 21, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Nope. Still no one jokin' here.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 21, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Actually, what is truly entertaining is watching post after post of liberals exhibiting a pavlovian response at the mere mention of Rush's name. Ding Ding!!! Rush Limbaugh! Erectile Dysfuntion, pill popper, fat, obnoxious, racist, homophobe, bigot plutocrat! ROFLMAO...that's power, man...

Posted by: ihatethepost1 | August 21, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

RichNomore? :)

Usually we don't correct each other around here, but please look up the difference between its and it's.

Your grammatical errors distract from your otherwise excellent points.

Gotta go irony some curtains.

Posted by: -dbG- | August 21, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

ihatethepost1, isn't the response you refer to exactly the same Pavlovian (proper name, begin with capital letter) response your friends have to President Obama?

Back to the irony board.

Posted by: -dbG- | August 21, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Yoki! Hey dbG!

*faxing starch for the irony board*

Whatever happened to the days when "conservative" meant "to conserve" instead of destroy?

Posted by: ftb3 | August 21, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

It's a business model ihatethepost, not a political stance (his pronouncements make absolutely no sense in real implementable policy terms). The greedy ba@tard needs the money for his sexual tourism adventures and other unhealthy needs. You are paying for it by listening to his show.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | August 21, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

richnomore, I bet if you reviewed my posts I never said that the majority of Americans were stupid or the like. I just said you and people who think like you were.

I bet I am correct that the majority of the American people don't think like you. They aren't nearly as afraid of "others" as you are.

Posted by: baldinho | August 21, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Please, I just have to say "Wow!" Joel, you are in charge of writing The Official Version of world events? And I have met you? I apologize for not having previously recognized the honor bestowed upon me. Say, could you do me a favor? I have some inconvenient facts that I would like to have eliminated or modified. Could you help me out here, dude?

Posted by: ScienceTim | August 21, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I want to congratulate Rush on his recent fourth marriage. It's good he is against allowing gays to marry since that would make a mockery of the institution.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 21, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Is it true that anyone who thinks Rush is a buffoon... albeit a very successful one..... HAS to be a liberal?

I don't think that is so.

Is it not true that all but the silliest Americans wish to keep those that want to do us harm from settling here in our nation? I think probably 99% of Americans would agree that we should keep those that want to do us harm from settling in our nation.

Do all Arabs or Muslims want to do us harm?

I don't think that is so.

Counterarguments?

Posted by: baldinho | August 21, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

http://www.quantcast.com/rushlimbaugh.com#demographics
Interesting reading. I think it's from self-reporting, though.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 21, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

To me, terms like "liberal" have no meaning. They are usually used to describe huge swaths of people that have nothing in common.

I am curious, richnomore. When you use the term "liberal", what do you mean? What do you envision.

If I know what you actually mean, I might agree with you more often.

For instance, if you think a "liberal" is "someone who hates America and wants to see it destroyed by a raging Muslim menace", I would agree with you. "Liberals" are evil, certainly in the comic-book sense or ghost-story-to-a-group-of-six-year-olds sense that you see them.

Posted by: baldinho | August 21, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Ditto

Posted by: RichNomore | August 21, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I do not believe that the majority of Americans think like this:

God help us? No Joel, Allah help you! The Everlasting helps US over bumps in the road, like y'all, your fiends in the nationalized government media complex, and those such as Spokes*ss Nazi Pulousi who wants to investigate those who, still covered be the 1st amendment, speak and work against that which she and others (so she says) agree with. This, El Achtungbach, is not dismaying to you at all. No, you are so comforted by the prospect of a Cordoba style tickle-me-el-Mohammed and Culture of Community Activists Center in the shadow of the Vapor Cloud still visable in the minds and hearts of several Million Americans and the stench still in the nostrils of the Almighty you are stupid enough to ask to help you, that the Ex(tra?)-Muslim Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a now reformed? Afrocentrist spokes-mouth for the most extreme Ameriphobic coalition in the history of Western Civilization mentoring the not-so-great-lately communicator in chief for many years seems ample proof that the majority in this Country (and around the world) that smell something like Panthers in Heat are just imagining things that only Racists would ever conclude. No, Joel, allah may help by saving a few christian girls for you when he takes over his little corner of somewhere, but you would do well to ask some forgiveness for your own self for having no excuse for the view you operate under, and yes total numbskulls do exist in this equation, but they don't fall far from the Washington Post rooftop which, lucky for you, wasn't the target on 9-11-2001. It is astonishing what an embarrassment you appear to be to the ethnic heritage you apparently are loathe to represent.

Americans for Stopping the Serial Mal-Practice of Journalism by ABMSNBDNCNNBS and The Apostate Government Media Complex

Posted by: RichNomore | August 20, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: baldinho | August 21, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Dear ihatethepost, if you hate the Post, why are you here reading the Post and commenting in Joel's blog?

Although I absolutely do agree that I and many of my friends do indeed have a Pavlovian response to Rush. I don't dispute that for a moment. (I won't go into the names of people who probably elicit the same response in you wingnuts.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | August 21, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just that I am suffering with a migraine or maybe I am not an initiate into whatever secret society or silent majority or good ol' boys' club Limbaugh belongs to because I can't make out a word he's saying. I am not well versed in his code words and phrases. To quote Harvey Picard, "It's your world, [Limbaugh] I just live in it." It used to be that all it took to be an elitist was to be a member of the wealthy class—call it a "core value" if you like. Limbaugh is wealthy so I guess the definition has changed. I wonder, does he think all intellectuals can be discerned by whether or not they wear eyeglasses? If I'm not mistaken, isn't Limbaugh myopic? Sure seems that way to me. All I know, Mr. Limbaugh, is that I'll take obscure over obtuse any day. PS: God said to quit using his name in vain. He thinks it would be quite enough if you worked out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Oh, and something or other about love thy enemies—the real ones and not the ones you are always imagining.

Posted by: monstersball | August 21, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Last post for me. I apologize for the boodlehogging. Let smarter more eloquent folks talk for the rest of today.

Like Dick Cavett?

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/real-americans-please-stand-up/?hp

Posted by: baldinho | August 21, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Achenblog, why be surprised at what this pompous, overbearing, draft-dodging, anti-female, anti-family values clown would say? He is always rude. He always stretches the truth to where it is unrecognizable. He is one of the meanest, nastiest people ever allowed to be on the radio -- and he is a very dangerous person.

Posted by: alamo2 | August 21, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

If you people were Americans...
Rush would say so...
so far all he sees is a muslim
and a wannabe media blogger...

Posted by: DwightCollins | August 21, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Back on the home page.

Posted by: -pj- | August 21, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

If you people were Americans... Rush would say so... so far all he sees is a muslim and a wannabe media blogger... Posted by: DwightCollins

============================================

Dwight, you are a certifiable idiot. Limbaugh sees a Muslim in Obama, because Limbaugh caters to the lowest common denominator in American society -- the haters, the bigots. You sir, are a wannabe American, but your beliefs won't allow you to practice what America is all about.

Posted by: alamo2 | August 21, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I guess we don't need that pesky old 14th amendment after all. American citizenship is granted by the personal pronouncement of Rush Limbaugh. Who knew?

Posted by: rashomon | August 21, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, I do believe it is time. Please? Please????

Posted by: carlaclaws | August 21, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Just a drive by as I've been out all day and am headed out again. Joel, thanks (I think) for making me read something by Rush. I couldn't follow the logic (snort) of it, of course, but I'm not a member of his fan club so don't have the decoder ring, alas.

Great op ed by Cavett, thanks for the link baldinho. Hope the bunker isn't needed but it's starting to look that way. See you later tonight maybe.

Posted by: badsneakers | August 21, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

So what's your point? You now have your 15 minutes of fame and you ought to be happy. I do not see anyone being nice to Rush, nor anyone being nice to those on the Right, so who are you to say what is "polite inattention."

Posted by: CvilleBoy | August 21, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps you should invite Rush to take a swim in the o-so-pure Gulf, and than thank him for the publicity that will lift you out of that obscurity. The obscurity that he went on to define as elitist control. Funny how he can have it both ways; first, you're merely an obscure nothing, speaking for no one, then later, he's railing at you for being an all powerful liberal media guy.

Posted by: samsara15 | August 21, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

A DJ getting way to much attention.

Posted by: whocares666 | August 21, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

> member of the ruling class partisan political operative media

I just so want to sign up for that. Can you send me a membership application?

Posted by: TexLex | August 21, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

what is it you're complaining about again? Oh, I get it. You get more publicity by pointing out that you talked with Rush and he commented on something you wrote.

Congratuatulations. You made the big time. You've even learned to be "outraged" so you can continue with your 10 minutes of fame.

Posted by: silencedogoodreturns | August 21, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Well, I for one, know who Joel Achenbach is. Every time I fix a sandwich and cut it diagonally, I cannot help but remember an entire article he wrote on that one subject (in the now-defunct Why Things Are column). It must have been about 18 or 19 years ago but I swear, I'll never forget it! LOL!

Posted by: MadamDeb | August 21, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

RichNomore - I meant to ask about the "Ex(tra?)-Muslim Rev. Jeremiah Wright" reference. Since he was presumably not a practicing Muslim while growing up in the home of his father the Methodist minister, should I assume that it was a brief flirtation while he was in the Marines and Navy, or was it while he was at Howard University? Since he was already a United Church of Christ minister by his early thirties, his Muslim phase couldn't have lasted too long.

Posted by: Bob-S | August 21, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Excellent, MadameDeb. I first heard of Joel when he was doing Why Things Are on NPR...I do not have those books in my collection, but I really should remedy that...
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Things-Are-Picture-Vol/dp/0345377982

Posted by: seasea1 | August 21, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The oiliness of the Gulf needs nuance. While the oil was gushing, the beaches from St. Petersburg to Marco Island were losing summer business. I kept an eye on Trip Advisor, where there was lots of panic, and pointed out, repeatedly, that oil was staying in the Loop Current, which never comes anywhere near the Florida peninsula. I wuz right.

Florida's panhandle beaches have no detectable oil in the water, according to the Florida Department of Environmental Protection.

Richnomore is picking up on creative use of capital letters, as I suggested. Needs to work on being orthodox with the pronoun apostrophes (its vs. it's) while delicately spritzing the prose with quotation marks.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 21, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I think someone should tell Rush that no one in this country has a "right" to drive a car on public highways. It is a privilage -- can't licenses can be revoked without federal felony trials?

There is a lot of great stuff in the Constitution and the Ammendments, such as freedoms of religion, speech, to gather and worship, but nothing about operating an automobile. If he wants to argue about the Ninth and Tenth Ammendments in relation to that "right", I'm willing to do so, and, I'd bet, so would a lot of States' Attorneys General.

Someone should also tell Rush that Hugh Hewitt used to have Joel on his radio program from time to time.

I think Hewitt was far more rational than Rush. Better looking, too.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | August 21, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh, dear. "silencedogoodreturns" seems to believe that Joel talked with Rush, when IIRC, Joel did no such thing. It appears that silencedogoodreturns made that part up. Must be sumpin' in the water over there in right-America-land. Ya'll get to make things up.

*shocked, shocked I tell you!*

Posted by: ftb3 | August 21, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

...and there is no Democrat party.

Posted by: sugarstreet | August 21, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"And you, Number Twenty-One, will shave the yak."

"That's just an expression, right?"

It wasn't.

Posted by: baldinho | August 21, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Mr. A, if you're that obscure why would Rush opine for so long about you?

Tee hee.

Posted by: MsJS | August 21, 2010 9:26 AM |

Agree!


mr. joel: if mr. rush doesn't like something you said, i think that means you hit the mother lode of truth. nice going.

Posted by: butlerguy | August 21, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Agree!

Posted by: sugarstreet | August 21, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

bc - I have driven on the local highways at rush hour. Trust me, it's no privilege!

Posted by: Bob-S | August 21, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Rush talks to and writes for the almost 20% who are kooks who believe the President is not an American and is a muslim, thanks in part to rants like Rush who lie for a living. They pay his well. Sad for America. You are not obscure to the non-nut jobs.

Posted by: withersb | August 21, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm fairly certain carlaclaws was speaking to Cmdr. Montgomery (although he had made Captain in TNG) and not me, but if I could do any beaming up, believe me I would. :-)

But really, what price page views, I ask you?

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 21, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Lost in there was whether Rush is one of the 20% or if he just panders to them.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 21, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Great Job, Joel.

Rush Limbaugh (who really is a big fat idiot and pig, as the book says), only gets into this defense mode when you get too close to that truth about his windbag radical right hysterical rantings.

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: rpike | August 21, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I do not believe that the majority of Americans think like this:

["....................................'.".

Posted by: RichNomore | August 20, 2010 4:38 PM]

End Transcript

Posted by: baldinho | August 21, 2010 3:44 PM

ditto the dittoes
How Achenbach-like

Posted by: RichNomore | August 21, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to use your own postings to make my point, richnomore.

Posted by: baldinho | August 21, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Rush, the high priest of 'neo-CON' propaganda, deserves high marks for surpassing the quality and longevity of Joseph Goebbels, the nazi minister of propaganda...he's just the best ever.

Posted by: juke2 | August 21, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I feel like I've wandered into the kindergarten area of the Washington Post.

Who/what is Achenblog? And the children commenters?

I don't even have to know what you're talking about -- I hear the prissy metrosexual voices and cringe. And flee.

Posted by: happyacres | August 21, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I feel like I've wandered into the kindergarten area of the Washington Post.

Who/what is Achenblog? And the children commenters?

I don't even have to know what you're talking about -- I hear the prissy metrosexual voices and cringe. And flee.

Posted by: happyacres

Buh bye

Posted by: sugarstreet | August 21, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Strasburg has 3 Ks through the 2nd, Nats up 3-0.

'Skins are also up 3-0 against the Ravens, but that's just preseason. :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 21, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm interested in reading that article on why sandwiches are cut diagonally.

Posted by: davemarks | August 21, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse


Limbaugh really is insane, isn't he?


a runon mess. Worse, really, than the last time he was taking something.

Posted by: whistling | August 21, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm interested in reading that article on why sandwiches are cut diagonally.

Posted by: davemarks | August 21, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Uh-oh! All this time I thought a 58-year-old, married, multi-ethnic woman was welcomed. Who'da thunk? Interesting place most days . . . thoughtful dialogue, music, flowers and food, oilspills and stargazing . . . even a joke or two.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 21, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Joel!

You've been dissed by the RUSH!!

That ought to move you up the journalistic food chain.

Posted by: bmschumacher | August 21, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

And Strasburg produces at the plate, hustling to first to beat out an attempted double play and driving in an RBI! His first, I do believe! :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 21, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I'll give this to Rush. His show is the nationwide hunting camp. After dealing all day with folks telling them what they are doing wrong and how they are failing, etc. men of a certain type get some respite listening to the radio. Rush is like a pep talk for those guys. He has gotten filthy rich playing to the joes who think the world is all against them. He'll have a large audience forever just for doing that.

He so crosses the line on so many things.... but he is a leader to that group. Unfortunately, the GOP is at his beck and call, and really can't critique him no matter how over the top he gets.

Posted by: baldinho | August 21, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Good article by Milbank:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/20/AR2010082002972.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

I was very glad to see Palin's pick for Senator in the Washington state primary get about 12% of the vote - FAIL. He was one of those who doesn't understand how much he is helped by the Feds and the Dems west of the Cascades.

President Obama was in Seattle on Tue. One of my young (20something) co-workers says that she thinks the polls miss a lot of young people, and that they are still solidly behind Obama. I told her they need to be sure to vote again! I hope she's right.

Posted by: seasea1 | August 21, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

5 Ks through the 4th for Strasburg... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 21, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

boy, ole rush really hit the nail on the head. how's it feel to be a ruling class nail mr. a?

Posted by: 12thgenamerican | August 21, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

And to continue Boodlehogging - here are a couple of stories about the folks who met with Obama when he was here:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012648587_obamaside18m.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/allyoucaneat/2012662714_obama_ill_have_a_turkey_sandwi.html

Posted by: seasea1 | August 21, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Well, the baseball's fun, the Maryland NFL Preseason contest has been fun, too - the fake punt Baltimore ran was rather hootworthy. There's fender-banging stock car fun going on down in Bristol, tonight, too (500 laps under the lights with 42 cars on a high-banked half-mile paper-clip oval).

Nice respites from the Front Page vitriol.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | August 21, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

We need all points of view and I'm so glad we live in a country where such banter is encouraged even if not exactly adhered.

Rush obviously does not get Achenbach.

Posted by: Windy3 | August 21, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

And Strasburg leaves with arm discomfort after 6 Ks with 1 out in the 5th... *SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 21, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

The oil spill has not been a drop in the bucket either. Geesh.

Posted by: Windy3 | August 21, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

In see Rush is on his meds again.

Poor boyo, can't leave home without them.

Posted by: apspa1 | August 21, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations Joel!! Poking cons is fun even when you don't mean to. They are so SENSITIVE!!

Posted by: Freethotlib | August 21, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

"...these people don't like God, they don't like Christians..."

Fox News or Rasmussen Poll?

Posted by: areyousaying | August 21, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Cool. Brings back high school memories. It hasn't gone from a heated discussion to a full-blown argument until somebody calls somebody a f_g. I am a bit disappointed. Rush's crowd has gentrified. Metrosexual?

Unfortunately the next step in progression moves to discussions about our sisters.

The metrosexual comment is even better comparing my wedding to Rush's latest. We danced to John Hiatt. Rush? Elton John.

Posted by: baldinho | August 21, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

As much as the wingnut left (well represented here, in the safe and secure confines of the state media flagship) would like to blame Rush for the utter collapse of Obungler's numbers, they simply can't - not with any standing. Obungler has done it all by himself. You can add another link in the runaway incompetence train that is the Obungler misadministration - a nuclear Iran. I understand the attacks on Rush by the wingnut left...I really do! If I was looking at the nuclear wasteland that is the "historic" Obungler presidency (the crumbling economy, rampant unemployment, states near insolvency, the world teetering on the brink), I too would take the easy win and attack old Rush - an easy target, and a quick score for those who have seen their confidence implode just 18 months after they were given the opportunity of a lifetime to run the table. If I was watching the greatest communicator since FDR blame the previous president for all of America's ills from the local golf course, I too would be scrambling for a quick boost.

Posted by: ihatethepost1 | August 21, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

You know, Atwater and Goebbles are smiling up from wherever propagandists go and are real proud of Rush for

- inciting the hapless masses with rage and fear by labeling all the Democrats as "...these people don't like God, they don't like Christians..."

- attaching the evil scapegoat to a specific target: "...they're hell-bent on convincing us that Obama is a Christian, and they don't even like Christians, and this guy starts his piece: "God help us"? I mean to these people God is a tree..."

- establishing his own moral superiority while attacking the morals of others: "We don't trust the Fake Media." (sorry, but I just have to laugh at his hypocritical pomposity, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! - oh, my bad)

It's quite reminiscent of of Goebbles scapegoating Jews and Atwater stirring up his Southern Strategy fear of blacks via Willie Horton.

Posted by: areyousaying | August 21, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Well done, Joel.

Display of Rush Rants under the glass of the public eye is the best medicine for the illness Rush tries to spread.

Keep it up, the Boodle is with you.

Posted by: Lowen1 | August 21, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Well done, Joel.

Display of Rush Rants under the glass of the public eye is the best medicine for the illness Rush tries to spread.

Keep it up, the Boodle is with you.

Posted by: Lowen1 | August 21, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations, Joel.

Display of Rush's Rants under the glass of the public eye is the best medicine for the disease of inuendo and disinformation with which Rush attempts to spread his hateful messages.

The Boodle is with you.

Posted by: Lowen1 | August 21, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

madamdeb: good one with the diagonal sandwich-slicing. Mine is shampooing--my life was changed forever when I read the Why Things Are that freed me from that second shampoo application. That has probably saved me hundreds of hours over the past 20 years. Let me pass on the wisdom here:

*****
Why Things Are, by J. Achenbach, Miami Herald 3/25/90

WHY do shampoos always tell you to wash your hair twice?

So you'll use it up quicker and go back to the store and buy more, fool. Our hair care guides say you should only wash your hair once, unless, as a beautician friend put it, "it's really disgusting." One wash removes the dirt and grease. A second time is overkill.

[and so on...]

******

Posted by: kbertocci | August 21, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations, Joel.

Display of Rush's Rants under the glass of the public eye is the best medicine for the disease of inuendo and disinformation with which Rush attempts to spread his hateful messages.

The Boodle is with you.

Posted by: Lowen1 | August 21, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

And while I'm at it, here's the diagonal-slicing quote--truly a classic.

********
TROPIC
Miami Herald, The (FL) - Sunday, December 8, 1991
Author: JOEL ACHENBACH Herald Columnist

WHY is it better to slice a sandwich diagonally than perpendicularly? This is a matter of almost infinite complexity, subtlety and nuance. And yet our enemies say this is a trivia column!

There are three (3) reasons why triangular-shaped sandwich halves are better than rectangular halves:

1. The hypotenuse. You want geometry that reveals maximum meat. If you cut a five-inch square piece of bread straight up and down (a "drugstore cut," smirks Stuart Gurewitz of Parkway Deli Restaurant in Silver Spring, Md.), the exposed middle of the sandwich is five inches long. But a diagonal cut gives you slightly more than seven inches of exposure.

2. Flatness. Rectangular sandwiches don't lie as flat. "If you cut a piece of white bread right straight in half, it has a tendency to open, just unfold," says Walter Loeb, owner of Loeb's Perfect New York Deli in Washington, D.C. "Corner to corner it will stay down better. It's better divided weightwise, I guess. Now you're getting scientific." Note: Loeb, unlike Gurewitz, slices oval-shaped pumpernickel and rye breads down the middle, because "there aren't four corners."

3. Mouth action. It's easier to bite into the acutely angled corner of a diagonally sliced sandwich than into the right-angled corner of a rectangular sandwich half. The best description of the phenomenon can be found in Nicholson Baker's nutty novel The Mezzanine.

"In the case of rectangular toast," Baker writes, "you had to angle the shape into your mouth, as you angle a big dresser through a hall doorway: you had to catch one corner of your mouth with one corner of the toast and then carefully turn the toast, drawing the mouth open with it so that its other edge could clear; only then did you chomp down."

You have the full picture. Govern yourself accordingly.

***********

Thanks again, Deb, for bringing it up! A much more pleasant topic than R*sh L*mb**gh.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 21, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing is that the Limbaugh audience is more informed than the Washington Post audience. Gee, how does that happen?

Posted by: ThisIsReality | August 21, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Further to the changing the subject cause:
We took a little trip up to Peanut Island today. That's a tiny manmade island just north of Palm Beach, more or less across from the Kennedy Compound. It's a county park, accessible only by boat. Pictures:

http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/kbertocci/Peanut%20Island%208-21-10/

Our water taxi captain was like an Owen Wilson character, barefoot and long-haired and soooo laid back. But he said his wife is a college professor and historian, and he had some good tips about Florida historical sites to visit.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 21, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think Ihatethepost has a girlfriend?

Posted by: baldinho | August 21, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I just saw a very good Israeli film, "Ajami", dealing with the Israeli Arabs and being rather sympathetic to them. The criminal transgressions of the Arabs where plausibly explained by their socio-economical situation. As frequently is the case, the creative people are way ahead of the politicians.

Posted by: gmbka | August 21, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

In the early 80s when I first moved to the DC area I lived withing walking distance from the Parkway Deli in Silver Spring (mentioned in the sandwich story above) and knew Stuart Gurewitz quite well.

That was/is one fabulous place to eat. The lines on Sunday mornings were fabled for their length, patience and comradery. And the pickle and olive bar - oh, man!

Thanks, kbertocci for the article and the memory.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 21, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

kberocci, I've only seen Peanut Island from across the water from the south side of the inlet (north end of N Ocean Drive, Palm Beach). The park and its snorkeling area were under construction at the time. County personnel were quite proud of what they were doing.

Nice to see your photos of the completed park.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 21, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Very nice pictures kbertocci, much better use of my time than reading the posts by Rush fans.

I particularly like the picture of the lantana, naturally! I managed to overwinter a lantana from last summer, an annual here brought it indoors for the winter and it has done wonderful this summer in one of my planters.

Posted by: dmd3 | August 21, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

baldinho, you had me at John Hiatt.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | August 21, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

OMG - I've been cutting my sandwiches all wrong! Not sure why I changed from the way my mom did it. Thank you, MadameDeb, kbertocci, and of course, Joel.

Posted by: seasea1 | August 21, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

When you read rantings like this from Rush Limbaugh, I just have to marvel that anyone even pays any attention to Rush Limbaugh. He is so far off the wall and his rants make so little sense, you have to wonder who the people are who listen to him. I guess there must be a lot of them or he wouldn't still be on the radio or such a high profile leader of the Republican party. The GOP has become the Rush Limbaugh/tea party. Hee Haw!

Posted by: sharronkm | August 21, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what a load of innuendo and crap. Now I realize why 20% of the American people believe this stuff--they are fed it by a bigot (evidently all mosques are places that teach radical Islam and Jihad) who rivals Father Coughlin and Senator McCarthy as a demogogue and liar.

Posted by: kgb1 | August 21, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

The Peanut Island lantana regrettably looks like the invasive Lantana camara, a sort of Frankenstein plant created in European greenhouses out of assorted wild American species. It's a polyploid (remember those super-marigolds with extra sets of chromosomes?). The similar Lantana depressa is native, but this diploid species (with the normal 2 sets of chromososomes) hybridizes with L. camara, yielding triploid (3 sets of chromosomes, just like certain "mule" marigolds) that happen to be fertile and fast-spreading.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 21, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what that draft dodging, junkie, chickenhawk has to say.

Funny how a drug addict needs to tell others how to live their lives, not too mention Mr 4 wives has to protect the sanctity of marriage.

Posted by: stikyfingas | August 22, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Who cares what that draft dodging, junkie, chickenhawk has to say.

Funny how a drug addict needs to tell others how to live their lives, not too mention Mr 4 wives has to protect the sanctity of marriage.

Posted by: stikyfingas | August 22, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

You know that old Shakespeare quote, "methinks thou dost protest too much"? Why is a guy who makes $400 million scaremongering on the radio scared of you, Joel? And Rush says he's just an "entertainer." My eye.

Posted by: AdventurerVA | August 22, 2010 1:37 AM | Report abuse

No comments allowed at Limbaugh's site, right?

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 22, 2010 1:41 AM | Report abuse

I don’t know if there is any article in NYT or Wapo written by a Muslim with authority stating that Obama is not a Muslim. It may not help a lot, but you’ll never know.

This has probably been said a million times, but I’ll add another to the million. If you are a Muslim, there are certain things you must do or not do. It’s not negotiable. Things like fast during Ramadhan, pray 5 times a day, etc. If Obama is a Muslim and drinking alcohol and eating pork for the whole world to see, he would have the Imams of the world coming down on him like a ton of bricks, President of US of A or not.

Posted by: rainforest1 | August 22, 2010 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, dear rainforest.

Posted by: Yoki | August 22, 2010 2:25 AM | Report abuse

This morbidly obese radio psychopath has shown, once again, how stupid he is. His sick ranting is no novelty, he does that everyday, just like the three stooges do in False News.
The tragedy is that there are people even more stupid and imbecile than him....the idiots who listen to him.
Clearly, this pig has a big problem with trichinosis: the worm has reached his meager brains.

Posted by: analyst72 | August 22, 2010 3:03 AM | Report abuse

The Rush business model may seem flawless, but for one thing-his audience demographics. They will all soon be dead. Normally, one would be concerned about the recruitment of their children into the fold, however, this is not like NPR where generations are indoctrinated by forced listening to Morning Edition on the way to daycare. Rush listeners riding in cars with their children are usually passengers on their way to a dialysis treatment.

I am always stunned to be reminded that Rush was born in '51 not '31. Talk about someone who looks "rode hard and put up wet."

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 22, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

"Obscure, relatively unknown." Rush was being overly kind, and generous.

Posted by: wewintheylose | August 22, 2010 6:35 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. Well, well, I guess you have arrived, JA, being noticed by non-other than Rush! I agree about the manners thing, but Rush wouldn't know that if he was hit over the head with it. That was the first thing that went out the window with him and his crew.

I'm up cooking this morning. I want to have a small dinner for my daughter, tomorrow is her birthday. I'm going to try and have it at my dad's house. I really would like for it to be a family dinner. I need your prayers on that.

The g-girl is still with me. She helped a little bit. She swept the floor, but took to the bed because she said her leg was hurting, leaving trash and everything else in the middle of the floor. I think she just wanted to watch Nick on television.

I'm getting ready for church now, hope to attend Sunday school, won't you join me? I want to leave after that to finish the cooking.

It would be nice if you guys could join us but I will keep you in mind while trying to get it together. Please have a lovely day, and enjoy your families.

Slyness, the weather is getting warm again. There was a slight break in the humidity, but it seems to be back. Hope you and family are well.

The bathtub is calling, gotta go!

Posted by: cmyth4u | August 22, 2010 6:36 AM | Report abuse

i remain astonished. where were all these defenders of liberty when W had muslim imams next to him at the national memorial service for the victims of 9/11? i guess that was 'different'. just the way condi rice was ok with them--she was 'different' too (not like the rest of 'those people').

i have said this before, and it seems worth saying again. the republicans represent the rich, the racist, the rich, the reactionary, the rich, and the stupid. at least for now, the stupid faction SEEMS to be most important to them. but it never is--it is ALWAYS about the rich.

ALL of this protest from the repubs is racism, pure and simple. but guess what? that train left the station a couple of years ago. their time is over and all this is just a tantrum. and to borrow one of my favorite expressions from JFK, they can all take two running jumps and go straight to .....

Posted by: butlerguy | August 22, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all!!! Some of the Dawn Patrol are up and running, a wonderful read for the day, plus I see Joel's efforts have brought about a whole lot of new folks, and his " Rush's Rant" was still (or again?) headline news a few minutes ago, when I connected.

As far as I know, Rush began as an entertainer, and that is where he will always remain for the few.

KB's photo album has a picture of sea oats, that uncommonly graceful grass of the coast. Long ago I was told that I should not pick the sea oats because the reproduction was difficult. I was told that the sea oats of the Outer Banks were only spread by the droppings of the Red Winged Blackbirds...probably mythful...but I like to think the red wings left their mark, here and there and everywhere.

Skyland was enchanting, as always. It is great to read you all....

Posted by: VintageLady | August 22, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

The most interesting part of the rant was when he described the 20% as a majority. Maybe a majority of his listeners, but 20% does not make a majority unless you live in rush's fantasy world, where the Constitution is a list of suggestions, where logic is something to be twisted and where vacations are not allowed for this president but were continual for the former president. I live under the flight path helicopters take to Camp David, which carried Bush every single weekend, promptly on Friday at 5pm, you could set your watch to it. Those flights stopped Jan 20, 2008.

When Reagan was trashing the American economy I asked a wise man how the republicans could get away with doing obvious harm and avoid criticism. He said the republicans have learned to take their faults and paint their opponents with these same faults, real or not. Then, when republicans are criticized they just point at their opponent and say they do the same or worse. So we hear from Rush that democrats hate the Constitution, hate America and want to control your money. The evidence is the republicans do that, but deflect the criticism by lying about their opponents. Its a great strategy he told me, but one always doomed to eventual failure. The question is how long you can make it last and whether you outlast it. It seems 80% now know what the republicans are doing, which is why rush likes to think the 20% is a majority. And if he says it enough, the 20% will believe it. The role of any civilization is to make sure that 20% say away from power. We have seen what happens when they get it.

Posted by: Fate1 | August 22, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

His new wife must be mortified.

Posted by: MTgrassland | August 22, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

'Morning everybody. A bit tired this morning from a busy day yesterday. Lewis Black was very funny as was the comedian who opened for him. A very entertaining evening, thank goodness, as the friends we went with had never heard of Black (!) and we were a bit apprehensive.

Rain is forecasted today and I am very happy as we have had near drought conditions here. I will spend the day relaxing and making chocolate chip cookies and then taking a nice long nap!

I am somewhat surprised that Joel's Kit didn't elicit more insane reactions from Rush's little faux army.

Posted by: badsneakers | August 22, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

A lot more people in this country agree with Limbaugh than with Achenbach.

Posted by: alientech | August 22, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

ok. i went back and read some of yesterday's drivel and you morons made me mad.

here's the deal, mr. richnomore--you and all your fellow travelers--had you been alive 2000 years ago (and i wish you had been, as opposed to now) you would have celebrated the release of barrabas and been in the moron crowd screaming 'crucify him' re the other guy. had you been alive in germany in 1944, you would have been happily burning jews. and if you had been born in afghanistan (which i can only regret is not the case), you would be one of the brave young morons stoning his sister because she violated your honor by falling in love with someone you do not approve.
give me an Effing break, and go stick your head in the nearest sewer, where you belong.

my apologies to mr. joel and the good people on the boodle. sheesh.

Posted by: butlerguy | August 22, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

We don't trust the Fake Media. You are partisan political operatives disguised as journalists.

The above statement is true - even if everything else Rush said was baloney. Obama made a huge error in judgment covering up the oil catastrophe and exploiting the proposed mosque in lower Manhattan

Posted by: alance | August 22, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

The sad thing about this is that a lot of people (perhaps a majority) think like this--totally incoherent. That is the reason Rush has a huge audience.

Posted by: lohengrin | August 22, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

If 20% is a majority, was Obama elected unanimously?

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 22, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

It would be good to save the comments. They tell the story more than anyone outside the Rush cult could possibly. I think that's why Rush does not allow comments: it would show the world what is really up with all that.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 22, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I've been reading and commenting on WaPo online for about seven years now, but probably read Mr Achenbach for the first time when he posted his "numbskull" rant the other day.

I just want to say that I am amazed that this insular little society of smug twits actually exists, but is apparently unknown to the outside world. Reminds me of "Lord of the Flies"-- or maybe the more harmless example of Garrison Keillor fans.

Kudos to El Rushbo for skewering the self-absorbed "intelligentsia."

Posted by: elgropo1 | August 22, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Thanks to Deb and kbert for the diagonal sandwich slicing Why Things Are. That was fun to read. Some research project are more enjoyable than others.

Posted by: -pj- | August 22, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

It's true. The 20% accuse all others of their own sins. Self absorbed? How so?

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 22, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Achenblog is more harmful than Garrison Keillor fans? I could spend all day just contemplating that statement.

Happy Sunday to all!

Posted by: talitha1 | August 22, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

elgropo - you wound us. We are not smug twits. Some of us are full of angst.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 22, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse


"The oil spill is fixed, he plugged a hole, and now he gets to go to Martha's Vineyard."

To be fair, yesterday's article on the spill by Joel seemed to give credit to the Obama administration where little was due. BP broke it. Then they fixed it. They are responsible for what they did in both cases. The official government involvement was mostly to stay out of the way, which I suppose is to their credit, but not screwing things up more is a backhanded compliment.

Posted by: edbyronadams | August 22, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Here's yet another article that provides a welcome factual counterpoint to our drive-by howling mob's inability to do much but blindly believe what they're told:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/nyregion/22imam.html

Of course, they'll dismiss it because of the source, but oh well.

And baldinho, check out this editorial -- given the source, I'm astounded!

http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20100822-OPINION-8220306

I do sincerely hope Strasburg's forearm flexor tendon issue is minor and quickly resolved.

*also-hoping-the-rain-holds-off-long-enough-for-a-few-festivities-with-dear-friends Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 22, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I think Rush has some legit critisms. While it is rare for me to listen to him, his show has an ongoing theme concerned with describing poor journalism in this country. Much of his show is him speaking unscripted for three hours, and when I read post-show transcripts, I tend to be impressed with the consistency. I think Joel comes across as a snotty smarty pants, and not much more.

Posted by: JohnnyGee | August 22, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

RD, I was just about to say something like that.

el bc-bo

Posted by: -bc- | August 22, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

The thing is, the assertion that the "Main Stream Media" can't be trusted because they are partisan is invariably made by people who are, themselves, hopelessly partisan. Does anyone really turn to folks like Rush for "unbiased" news? No, people turn to Rush for a hormonal surge of indignation. And that's fine. But don't create a dichotomy where none exists.

And, ideally, there should be common ground in separating logically consistent thinking from logically inconsistent thinking. People should celebrate clear thinking and denigrate those who advance logical fallacies. And it really shouldn't be about politics. As I've said before, logic thinking has no politics.

Joel has created a logical argument. Rush has not.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 22, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse


"The thing is, the assertion that the "Main Stream Media" can't be trusted because they are partisan is invariably made by people who are, themselves, hopelessly partisan."

In academe, for a generation, they have operated under the deconstructive principle that there is no objective truth, merely point of view. It has just trickled down to the man on the street now.

Posted by: edbyronadams | August 22, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Let's face it -- Rush is in it for the money, and what w*ore isn't? He's boinking the johns (20%?) and taking their money. And the companies that advertise on his program are the p1mps. It's American capitalism at its best. Gotta luv it, eh?

Morning, Cassandra!

Posted by: ftb3 | August 22, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Not since we were accused of going OT with "fatuous garden comments" have the boodle been so misunderestimated. Insular smug twit would make a nice handle though, yes? Shortened to smugster perhaps.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 22, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

When you've only got a few themes, constantly repeated and designed to raise ire, consistency is easy.

Joel may be a snotty smarty pants, JohnnyGee, but I'm pretty sure he can spell *criticisms* correctly.

Oh, wait. Does that make me a snotty smarty pants too?

At least I'm in good company.

Posted by: -dbG- | August 22, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Scotty, many thanks for the link to the NYTimes piece on Rauf. I'm always amazed to read of men and women of peace who become entangled in a web of controversy antithetical to their aims. Some "Christians" might take note but they are the ones not listening to anything but their fear.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 22, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Do these snotty smarty pants make me look fat? :)

Posted by: -dbG- | August 22, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Fatuous garden comment alert-Chez Frostbitten south has recovered completely from Tampa's inordinately cold winter, but for one hibiscus that limped along until just recently. Calling DotC-what would you suggest as a flowering alternative? The perished plant was pruned into a loose globe atop a single trunk. One day a nearby oak will shade the spot, but that is a long way off-even here where everything seems to grow at warp speed.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 22, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

dbG-*snort*

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 22, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Limbaugh is paid millions to fool the dumb and gullible. And this would evaporate in a second if the dumb and gullible ever caught on. So of course Limbaugh doesn't want people pointing out that the people he manipulates on a daily basis are numb skulls.

Posted by: Miss_Fedelm | August 22, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't know much about snotty smarty pants but I have been working on a tasteful boodle flak jacket design for stormy days. Anyone with any detail ideas for the design feel free to collaborate. ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | August 22, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Morning, all, hi Cassandra! I hope your family dinner is fun, especially for the birthday girl.

The boyz were up at 6:35, so we bowed to the inevitable, got up, and went out to breakfast. They are so cute and full of themselves. The trip to Tweetsie was a blast, even if it did rain on us at the end. They are talking, and it's so fun to try to figure out what they're saying.

We were discussing Rush? Oh, right. Let me tell you, my favorite 2 year olds make a lot more sense than he does..

Posted by: slyness | August 22, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Speaking for myself I am getting bored with the Rush defenders, so although I love Joel's kit, I will stray off topic - my clematis flowered today - it was given to me by a customer and did not have a tag so it was a surprise what it would look like, lovely pink flowers with a darker streak in the centre of the petals. I now need to look it up. Still raining here but we needed it like badsneaks it has been dry, and hot and breezy so any moisture has just been sucked from the soil.

Also have a question for the all knowing boodle - I am looking for a DSLR camera, entry level. Relatively easy to use would be good, and well built as we are not gentle with our cameras - anyone have recommendations?

Posted by: dmd3 | August 22, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

All pants make Limbaugh look fat.

/end cheap shot

Posted by: yellojkt | August 22, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

dbg, you look mahvelous.

Padouk, I'm always astonished and something even beyond astonished at the utter inability to see reciprocal or mirror-image relationships:

The MSM is "partisan" but off course the rightwing media is not. Having a pronounced ideology when you are on the right isn't ideological; only having an idealogy on the left makes you an ideologue.

Rush is concerned with "criticizing journalism/media" whereas media critics like Kurtz and American Journalism Review, CJR, various ombudsmen, et al., are not; they are merely apologists.

Wingnuts are patriots, but moderates and liberals are traitors.

Above all, I think I am fascinated by the wingnuts' inability to perceive themselves as members of a fairly small (albeit intense) minority, say 15 to 20 percent of the public. Somehow they perceive the 20% not only as a "majority" but as "most" of the country, not merely Rove's notorious "50 percent plus one."

They seem to think that if they take back the house and/or the senate in November, they will then be able to accomplish something. They don't see that gridlock will happen to them, too, just as it happened to the Dems. Not only do Dems need to get 60 votes...so would Republicans. And the Republicans will also have to overturn a presidential veto, which is even less likely to happen. Yet it is an eduring them of GOP wet dreams that when (if) they re-capture one or both houses, things would change.

I have to laugh my butt off when a moron like Limbaugh criticizes the left for being "disorganized," yet everyone agrees about one major thing concerning the Tea Party: it is disorganized, has no formal structure, has no defined leadership, is just an amorphous, floating collection without an agreed agenda or platform. But that's all okay when it is the Right; but its a joke when the same condition exists (according to Limbaugh) on the left. Rightwing disorganization is OK; leftwing disorganization is proof of incompetence. In other words, no recognition of the mirror image.

The other word for all this, of course, is hypocrisy.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | August 22, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

OldAtlantic, Please cite your source(s) behind your claim that "Liberals" (whatever that means to you) like to voyeuristically betray their country? Otherwise, it is clear you are trying to let everyone know how big a fool you are.

Posted by: swatkins1 | August 22, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

dmd,
My photos come from a Canon Rebel xti. I'm not sure what the latest version is but it is very easy to use and under one grand with lenses.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 22, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

According to Islam the children of a Muslim man, regardless of the religion of his wife, are Muslims. Thus Obama is a Muslim. Both he and his father rejcted Islam and thereby are apostates under a death sentence.

AMERICANS HAVE NEVER BEEN ATTACKED BY ANY REL.IGION OTHER THAN ISLAM. NO WONDER THEY ARE FEARFUL OF MUSLIMS AND OPPOSED TO THIS MOSQUE.

Posted by: ravitchn | August 22, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Dave,

Thanks for the inside info about lantana genetics. All I knew about it before was that it is one of the toughest pretty flowering plants I've ever seen.

Further trivia: there is a pretty good Australian movie called "Lantana" starring the wonderful Anthony LaPaglia, in which the plant plays a pivotal role (well, it's the title role, duh) but only in a passive, plant-like sort of way.

Posted by: kbertocci | August 22, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

ravitchn, and the Salem witch trails were by Muslims? Just off the top of my head.

Posted by: dmd3 | August 22, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

If Numbskull Rush keeps using the code word "Democrat Party" instead of "Democratic," then we should start using the term "Republic Party" to talk about the Repugnants, the Party of No, the G-No-P, or Re-(publi)-tards.

Kthxbai.

Posted by: bs2004 | August 22, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I may have spoken here before of my fascination with Rube Goldberg and also my love of marble tracks (and construction toys in general). I found this site while goofing around with a young friend the other day. It's 12+ minutes, but done in segments - just idle Sunday fun. 8-D

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6798832725595501490#docid=-5187071873898097725

Posted by: talitha1 | August 22, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

ravitchn - see, this is where logic is useful. You have made a fascinating premise, from which mathematically invariant rules force the following:

Either the Japanese did not, in fact attack Pearl Harbor

or

There were no Americans at Pearl Harbor

or

The Japanese were all Muslims

So which conclusion are you supporting?

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 22, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I'll bet the new Mrs Limbaugh is mortified.

Posted by: MTgrassland | August 22, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

talitha - I love that! My son and I made something like that years ago. Foolishly, I didn't make a video of it.

Also, there used to be a cool computer game by Matrix called "Marble Drop." Sadly, it won't run on modern 'puters.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 22, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

ravitchn, I'm fairly certain Americans were attacked by believers in Shinto and ancestor worship (checkout Dec. 7, 1941, it was in all the papers). I think my father got involved in it. I think they even made a movie about it.

Further, a substantial portion of the Japanese population were Buddhists, and there was also a class of Buddhists that morphed into Bushido, "the code of the warrior." The notion has often been that Buddhists are necessarily non-violent and would not participate in any kind of war; however, this turns out to be untrue and significantly more complicated than commonly believed. The extreme beligerance of Japanese Buddhists and their participation in WWII is still pretty controversial.

But the fact is, we were attacked by Shintoists, Buddhists and believers in Bushido.

It would do you well to read a book now and then. Preferably a history book. I realize that sounds pretty snotty and elitist, of course, and that in your world, knowledge has little value, compared to "belief."

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | August 22, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Padouk beat me to it. Well done, RD.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | August 22, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

RD -- I was thinking just that!

Posted by: ftb3 | August 22, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

ravitchn, please see rainforest's comment above about Obama not adhering to Muslim practices. Therefore...

Also, this - Cathleen Falsani's interview with Obama in 2004 about religion:
http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html

I have clematis news too! My spring-flowering blue clematis which was cruelly, albeit inadvertently, cut at its base by an overzealous weedwhacker, is flowering now! There are quite a few buds - one opened yesterday and it's beautiful. I'm waiting for more till I take a picture.

Posted by: seasea1 | August 22, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Good day, y'all.

Spicy grilled chicken and veggies for lunch today.

I got zip to add to the kit topic, so I'll just list the items I bought at the farmers' market this morning.
spinach
maters
taters
peaches
blackberries
bear-bluies
asparagus
green beans

Yes, there is another peach-blackberry crisp in my future. And veggie stirfry and bear-bluie muffins.

Oh, someone asked for money origami pitchers a kit or two back.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28367496@N06/sets/72157624651591757/

ros, $1,500 in good crisp ones is hard to come by. A well used one in origami is sorta like a mayo-sogged bread slice in a sandwich. How about a mixture of larger denominations?

Posted by: MsJS | August 22, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

the guy is just a political Howard Stern. He makes millions by getting people predisposed to right wing conspiracy theories all stirred up. Beyond that there is no reason to pay attention.

Posted by: tfspa | August 22, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Part of Rush's job is to expose and ridicule the talking/writing heads of the Obama media. Looks like another job well done.

Good ol' Rush. He knows where all your raw nerves are and isn't afraid to jangle 'em.

That's what makes him so good!

Posted by: battleground51 | August 22, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

MsJS - Amazing. I've been doing origami off and on for years (including with fabric) but I've never seen anything like yours. Especially groove on the 5-point hollow centered star.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 22, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"The extreme beligerance of Japanese Buddhists and their participation in WWII is still pretty controversial"

I belong to a sect of Japanese Buddhists whose founder died in prison for opposing the government's efforts to force Shinto as a unifying religious doctrine. Most Buddhism in Japan is dying and their validation of the militarists in government during the war plays a part in that.

Posted by: edbyronadams | August 22, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

We have house guests for the weekend. They brought bread pudding, which we had last night (I made pork chops on the grill with grilled fruit kabobs). This afternoon we're having the nectarine cobbler they brought (I'm making chicken marsala).

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | August 22, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Joel: You are a clown and this "blog" is a waste of electronic space. Your assumption that people are stupid goes to the heart of Limbaugh's point--the goverment controlled media is out of touch. Cheers my little liberal friend.

Posted by: MPNangle | August 22, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Also ravitchn - as has been mentioned before, the conclusion that Obama is a Muslim because Muslim Law says so is a fallacy because Muslim Law says no such thing. The premise is false.

But even if one accepts this premise then inferring that Obama is a Muslim *requires* the additional premise that Muslim Law is infallible when it comes to defining religious identity. Christian teachings on this matter are, therefore, invalid.

I question whether you are willing to actually embrace this second premise. But if you don't then your conclusion can't be inferred. I'm afraid there is no getting around this.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 22, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The Japanese did not attack America on behalf of a religion. The 9/11 criminals did.

Posted by: ravitchn | August 22, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Consider yourself lucky Mr. Achenbach that Rush mentioned your name. It means he at least takes you somewhat seriously. You will never hear Rush deign to mention your newspaper's other columnist's work, fake conservative Kathleen Parker let alone mention her by name. And Keith Olberman, he has no hope of ever getting a mention. He purposely avoids talking about these two. They are simply not worth taking seriously. So celebrate don't lament your new found fame. Twenty million people now know the name Joel Achenbach, about 19,999,000 more than knew the name on Thursday.

Posted by: tmonahan54 | August 22, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"...the Democrat Party, these people don't like God, they don't like Christians."

Fox News or Rasmussen poll?

Posted by: areyousaying | August 22, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Gee, raivitchn, that makes me think of that old war where all those Jews were killed 'cuz of their religion, by all those (wait for it) Christians. Oh, yeah, those so-called "christians" were Germans and Poles and a buncha Ukrainians, and well, you know, the Jews deserved it ('cuz, you know, they always do).

But there were some significant true-blue Americans helping the German christians out, like Henry Ford and Prescott Bush (known as "grampy" around the Bush household, I'm sure).

I suggest you try swallowing that with the swill you drink.

Posted by: ftb3 | August 22, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

talitha, the star instructions are here.
http://mvg-ori.nl/ori-l/models/ornament/moneystar.pdf

I also enjoy napkin folding. Some good intros are here.
http://www.origami-resource-center.com/fabric-folding.html

Mudge, those dishes are mouthwatering.

Posted by: MsJS | August 22, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

ravitchn - first of all, you are shifting. You have changed your premise.

Now the question of how much "religion" motivated the Japanese is not one that is well established, and is not one that you can claim as a premise.

But that's really secondary. The fundamental fallacy here is that while you can claim that the 9/11 criminals were motivated by religion, you cannot equate their extremist vision of Islam with the religion as a whole.

This is an easy fallacy to disprove.

It's like saying that because a pit-bull attacked my child I will not tolerate my neighbor owning a toy poodle because, you know, they are both dogs.

So the question is if the specific Muslims associated with this project endorse the actions of 9/11, and I have seen no evidence that this is the case.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 22, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing is that the Limbaugh audience is more informed than the Washington Post audience. Gee, how does that happen?

Posted by: ThisIsRealit

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Yeah they believe in Death Squads, Obama's foreign birth, Obama being a Muslim and they can see Russia from Palins window. Yeah they sure are a well informed group. If well informed means stupid.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | August 22, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

tmonahan - If you bothered to listen to/read/view anything outside your self-imposed safety-zone of ignorance and dittodom you'd realize how ill-informed you truly are.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 22, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

And even if the Muslims associated with this project fail someone's personal acid test of being Good Americans, unless they are in violation of the law, free speech and other Constitutional guarantees trump all.

We are a nation of laws. And I am glad because an abandonment of Constitutional protections for people some individual just don't like scares me a whole lot more than anything being built in lower Manhattan. And it this annoys some, so be it. You know that phrase "Freedom isn't Free." Well, it's true.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 22, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"There's still oil out there. Lots of it."

That's not true. According to the report leaked from the administration, the day after BP stopped the oil, it turns out that *most of the oil was gone*.

So unless you're saying Obama's team is a bunch of liars (and that's uncalled for), then admit that these types of articles claiming there is a lot of oil the water is just a bunch of haters who are trying to bring down this president.

And anyway, Eugene Robinson said Obama had a great victory with the Oil Leak. He is a Nobel Prize Winner in creative writing, so I *think* he has a lot more credibility than you.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | August 22, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Not one of you noticed that Lamebrow said Obama had two mothers. He sure sounds home-schooled today. As for you bloggers, could it be that your digressions on delis (Loebs over Parkway) and lantanas (poisonous, by the way) distracted you from the truth? Next time there is a massive oil spill anywhere in US waters why not just use Limbaugh to plug the hole? Using one hole to plug another hole is fighting fire with fire.

Posted by: rlgrennie1 | August 22, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

You know, you can make all sorts of sloppy arguments. For example, one can say

The 9/11 terrorists attacked because of religion. Terrorism is bad. Therefore, so is religion.

This is logical nonsense, of course. But most of the arguments being thrown around are not much better.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 22, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I believe that the radical Islamists behind the 9/11 attacks are about as mainstream Muslim as the KKK, Branch Davidians, and Hitler's Nazi Germany were mainstream Christian.

But, that's just me.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | August 22, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Excuse us muslim sceptics but I don't recall liberals ever coming to the defense of Christianity as it has to islam. On the contrary the ACLU makes it a practice to resort to the courts in the effort to ban public display of Christian beliefs even though they were practiced for generations. What, exactly, have muslims done for the US or for any non-muslim country? Except provide oil for sale and bomb and kill. Travelers worldwide are searched and prodded at in the attempt to save them from muslims. London, Madrid and New York have experienced mass killings at the hands of muslims. LAX was saved from a bombing by muslims. The 9/11 plot was hatched in a Hamburg mosque which was recently closed by the German government. So on what do liberals base their claim that islam is a good religion that demands the respect of Americans 70% of whom reject the idea of of a Ground Zero? Tolerance of the intolerant merely strenthens the fanatics among us.

Posted by: mhr614 | August 22, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Enough of this sillness. Let's talk about the possibility of a hung parliament in Australia and the political future of Julia Girrard.

http://www.socialcritic.net/images/julia-gillard2-the-daily-telegraph1.jpg

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 22, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Oops. That's Julia Gillard.

Oh dear. Because I got her name wrong I imagine an official visit is now right out.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 22, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

mhr614 - The common theme is support for the Constitution and rule of law.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 22, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

mhr614, I could parse at least two sentences in your post that completely contradict your point. Until you learn to construct a phrase in which the subject and predicate agree I suggest you refrain from attempts at persuasion hereabouts.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 22, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Rush won't be happy until he achieves his life long dream of becoming Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

Posted by: vztownes | August 22, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

RD, I spoke to #1 yesterday and she is quite saddened by the outcome of the election. She seems to think that Gillard is the right person for the job, and now she won't get a crack at it.

Posted by: Yoki | August 22, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I know Yoki. All silliness aside, I like Gillard and hope she can pull together a coalition.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 22, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Is it Rush or is it the meds again?

Think about it. He is the poster boy for the republican party. With a hate-them-all attitude like that why do you think the United States is the most hated country on the planet.

That Reagan legacy just keeps eating away at our nation's soul and you guys can't figure it out.

Posted by: BigTrees | August 22, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

The reality is that almost all of the debate about the mosque accepts a premise that just is not true. People conjure up an image of Gettysburg or the National Mall and see a space dedicated to a monument of major national importance with some extraneous mosque intruding on it. Of course it is easy to accept this image. Many are just making an innocent mistake. But it is also clear that there are those who at a minimum have recognized this confusion as a opportunity to promote their political agenda of hate. More likely they are at least partly responsible for creating the image in the first place as a pretext to promote that agenda.
The biggest problem with the image is the site itself. At best, its monumental character is going to be compromised by the decision to restore the site to commercial use.
The site of the proposed mosque is two blocks away from ground zero. Its true that those blocks are relatively short. But each of them is filled by a massive building. The one directly adjacent to ground zero is a 15 story Post Office that will block any visibility of the mosque from ground level. Even from above, it will be very difficult to pick out the mosque from all to other large surrounding buildings.
Even if the decision had been made to really build a monument at ground zero, the reality is that the surrounding area is filled with all kinds of buildings that have many different uses. Unlike, the proposed mosque many of them are directly visible from all sides of ground zero. There are three Christian Churches among these many buildings that are closer to ground zero than the proposed mosque.
There may be a real question whether an adequate monument to 9/11 is being built at ground zero. But there is no reality to the idea that the proposed mosque will intrude on it.

Posted by: dnjake | August 22, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty odd that the right wing haters think that the "left wing media" (Like Fox News I guess) is so full of misinformation. I'm STILL waiting for them to find the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. But who expected the rabid right to be happy when Obama was elected? Anyone who defends him from the massive right wing media conspiracy has be be "one of them liberral haters of Muricar."

Posted by: taxing | August 22, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

That's a very cogent post dnjake. A lot of this really is about how the story is told.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 22, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I think it would almost be easier to train the family on camera care than get a "good" shockproof camera. The few I just looked at seem to have pretty small lenses, which counts more than megapixels at this stage of tech. There are CASES which will protect a good camera. Very good cases. I would beware of heat in locked cars, however. Might fry almost any good camera.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 22, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

As an unbiased observer, my conclusion is that Mr. Limbaugh is on a really bad acid trip.

Posted by: usblues1 | August 22, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it would be more fun to discuss edbyronadams's contention of the rampant deconstruction theorists in academia re. mutable realities. In a sense there is some truth to that, e.g., look at the world view of the drive-bys recently. It all gets a bit too new-age-y when quantum uncertainty gets invoked; seems to indicate a lack of critical thinking. I'm uncertain of the extent of this in hard numbers, though. So wonder how "rampant" it is. May be that it's jarring and stands out.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 22, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Eugene Robinson won the Nobel Prize??? Really?

Um, no. He won the Pulitzer Prize. Don't think it's handed out in Stockholm, buddy.

*snort*

Posted by: ftb3 | August 22, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Like Rush is some kind of real journalist or an actual reporter. Rush hates people who can think for themselves, like Joel. His 2nd rate radio show is a hit with people who can't think for themselves so they listen to him to learn what to hate everyday. He knows alot about open fools, bigots, racists,and idiots because that's what he teaches people to be.

Posted by: rj2008 | August 22, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey MHR614, how do you feel about the "Christians" who came to America and slaughtered the native population?

Posted by: usblues1 | August 22, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

dnjake makes a good point. I'll go even farther. Not only is the "ground zero" site not physically monumental, like the mall in DC, it won't even be monumentally important in a couple generations (unless we continue to have trouble staying true to our ideals, but that is after all how terrorism works, isn't it?).

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 22, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

It ain't all they are attacking, check out "Scare-ing Out The Vote" cartoon on my homepage at

home.rr.com/oldladysquawking.

Sometimes you just have to laugh at their absurdity. There's also, "Bellowing Malcontents" and the "Power of Prey-ers" starring bin Ladin, Palin and Gingrich. Featuring Pres. Obama, a Mexican, a gay and an Arab. And there are oldies but goodies from the 2008 election, such as "Joker McCain".

Posted by: AverageJane | August 22, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I've never listened to Limbaugh. No desire to. I'd rather stick slivers of glass into my eyes.

He really rants like that? Wow. What schlock. Drivel. And he gets paid well, I understand. Doesn't he have a $12.8M penthouse around Central Park for sale? I thought I read that yesterday. Nothing like fine living.

Posted by: mooncusser | August 22, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Good idea, Jumper. In my corner of academia, at least, great value is still placed on critical thinking and logical structuring of an argument. To the degree that there is "relativism," it's in a preference for understanding social and cultural systems on their own terms, rather than imposing external judgments on them or assuming that they will follow a framework observed in other systems. I cannot claim to have much knowledge of "deconstruction," and I make no claims of perfection for academic thinkers, but to the degree that ways of thinking in academia may have percolated to the general society, I think it is likely that those ways of thinking were distorted or misunderstood in the process. Specifically, the recognition that every view is from somewhere, so that every analyst should develop and maintain awareness of ways that his/her fundamental assumptions may be influencing the analysis, was taken to mean that all views are irredeemably biased and can therefore be ignored if I don't like them, regardless of evidence or argumentation.

Posted by: -bia- | August 22, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Let's get one simple fact straight. The building is not a mosque. It is a community center modeled closely and with extensive consultation after the Manhattan Jewish Community Center.

To quote an article in the New York Times:
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"Joy Levitt, executive director of the Jewish Community Center on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, remembers her first conversation with Daisy Khan around 2005, years before Ms. Khan’s idea for a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan morphed into a controversy about Sept. 11, Islam and freedom of religion."

“Strollers,” said Ms. Levitt, whom Ms. Khan had approached for advice on how to build an institution like the Jewish center — with a swimming pool, art classes and joint projects with other religious groups. Ms. Levitt, a rabbi, urged Ms. Khan to focus on practical matters like a decent wedding hall and stroller parking."

“You can use all these big words like diversity and pluralism,” Ms. Levitt recalled telling Ms. Khan, noting that with the population of toddlers booming in Manhattan, “I’m down in the lobby dealing with the 500 strollers.”
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Rabbi Levitt and Ms. Kahn appeared on ABC News "This Week". The proposed facility is no more a mosque than the JCC is a synagogue.

Let's get our facts straight and cut through the nonsense.

Posted by: StanKlein | August 22, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

The FDA should really check out possible mental side effects of taking too much V!agra.

Either that or ol' Rush has tropical parasites laying eggs in his brain from his guys-only dream vacation to the Dominican Republic, notorious for its little-boy-sex trade.

Posted by: areyousaying | August 22, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

In one more meaningless Boodle-digression that prevents me from focusing on the truth (well, that and the fact that I'm not an ideologue), I'm happy to report I've almost completed my set of Mandarin china, *all* of which has been bought at 60% off the best sale price I could find on the web.

Now, back to the Kit. The only time I listen to Rush is when my credulous cousin reports a *fact* gleaned from him. I read what she's talking about, easily find better information and send it to her. Probably doesn't help.

When I visit her and we go out, she leaves his radio program on for the dogs. Usually we return to evidence the dogs have retched while we were gone, but then. . . they've been well-raised.

Posted by: -dbG- | August 22, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

dbG-

Is that the Ralph Lauren Mandarin pattern? It is gorgeous.

Posted by: Moose13 | August 22, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Coming soon from Limbaugh's Little Shop of Rovian lies:

- Obama is gay

- The 14th Amendment was never ratified

The GoP is betting it all on their hope that there are more than 25% of Americans who can't see through all this.

Posted by: areyousaying | August 22, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

As a long-time appreciator of irony, I am simply overloaded when perusing this topic. It's coming in waves.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 22, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Jumper if I could "train" the family I would not be purchasing another camera - again! :-)

I am now looking at a prosumer camera, Sony Nex-5 which looks to be a good compromise but we shall see.

Posted by: dmd3 | August 22, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

...or maybe that ingrown hair on his butt that he used to dodge the draft with is flaring up again.

Posted by: areyousaying | August 22, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Joel Achenbach...if you were once obscure...your name is now a household word ..thanks to Rush!....i think people fail to realize that their way of thinking is what has created so many social divides in this country and has kept us from focusing on the real enemy...the corporate scoundrels that have taken our factories to third world nations entering their version of the industrial age and thus creating a new batch of exploited workers much like here ,back in the early 20th century.

Posted by: kiler616 | August 22, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

That's it, Moose.

Yesterday was particularly good--8 dinner plates, 6 mugs, 8 bowls. At the selling store, you buy it when you see it because it'll be gone as soon as you turn your back.

Posted by: -dbG- | August 22, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I am more than ready for a new kit, perhaps on gardening or urban farming or even the oil spill!

Posted by: rickoshea11 | August 22, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The satirist Rush Limbaugh would be alot funnier if it wasn't for the fact that the 20% who he's making fun of (OK 25 depending on the poll) actually believe him.

Posted by: glenglish | August 22, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Ever notice how Rush Limbaugh makes Richard C. Hoagland sound sane?...

http://www.enterprisemission.com/

Read Hoagland's accounts of the "real" moon landing, and you hear shades of Rush. That's pretty much what we're dealing with here.

Posted by: hiberniantears | August 22, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

That's a very nice pattern, dbG. Very lovely. Congratulations on your good deals!

Posted by: -pj- | August 22, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

dbG, way to keep an eye out for deals on stuff you want.

How are people's gardens faring? Around here it's bumper crops. Not that I eat bumpers, but it's fab for those who do.

Posted by: MsJS | August 22, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I am beside myself with glee. South Pacific is being rebroadcast right now on WEDU (Tampa) and I am home alone with no competition for the big TV or best chair. Gingersnaps will be ready for intermission!

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 22, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

We have far more 'maters than I know what to do with. Inundated with Mr. Stripeys. Lycopene poisoning is imminent. Might need to drop some of at the neighbors ring the doorbell and run away.

Hey TBG - Interested?

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 22, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

My Mr. Stripeys are inactivated by the heat. Have maybe 80 lbs of butternut squash

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 22, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The satirist Rush Limbaugh would be alot funnier if it wasn't for the fact that the 20% who he's making fun of (OK 25 depending on the poll) actually believe him.

Posted by: glenglish

Nothing is more sad than someone going around chanting CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN, no?

"IMAGINE..........NO LIBERALS"

Posted by: InmanObama | August 22, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah. Sad.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 22, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Not since it was staged on a picnic table in the backyard of 5 Winston Ave., (circa 1970) has Some Enchanted Evening been sung with such authentic feeling. (and this guy isn't also playing Bloody Mary)

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 22, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

80 pounds of butternut squash? Yikes! I like butternut squash, but, man, that's a lot.

Posted by: -pj- | August 22, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

From one plant, no less. It's crazy.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 22, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Rush Limbigbutt is not an American. He is a terrorist. HE terrorizes people with no critical thinking skills with his distortions, his racism, his sexism and his homophobia, and he infects America with hatred for anything other than white, Christian people. HE is hate. An American believes in the Constitution. You don't get to pitch the parts you don't like so if you don't like equal protection or if you don't like freedom of religion well, ok he believes in freedom as long as it is the "right" kind...HIS...and the corporations who have you sheep suckered into believing that only the GOP can help you when it is the opposite the GOP has no intention of helping you middle class and poor people...you are a flea and the only way they care is when it comes to the elections. I don't like that Muslims don't get the optics on this thing, but they have a right and the 9/11 terrorist win when we decide that freedom is only for certain approved people. I wish Rush Limbigbutt would choke on his hate and go to hell where he belongs.

Posted by: jacquie1 | August 22, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm so envious of you with gardens. I have the space but not the ability to bend or crouch or kneel to do the necessary. I wish I knew someone who needed the space for a garden. They could use my place in exchange for a few tomatoes or zucchini or butternut squash.

Posted by: rickoshea11 | August 22, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

One plant? Clone that thing, Jumper. It's gotta be worth something.

Posted by: -pj- | August 22, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Wish I was closer Maggie, I help several people that love their gardens but are not physically capable of maintaining them either by themselves or at all.

Here is my mystery clematis (which of course I type incorrectly - d'oh). If anyone knows the variety it would be most appreciated - I am still searching through all he varieties.

http://picasaweb.google.ca/dmd2921/Clematic#5508324032920469090

Posted by: dmd3 | August 22, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, squashes are relatively minor components of the American diet (although the produce departments always have ample butternut and calabaza). In less affluent parts of the world, squashes are beloved (or at least eaten in large quantities) because they produce so abundantly and with so little fuss--something that a Cornell squash breeder emphasized to me.

Apparently in Native American gardening, one of squashes' virtues was the ability to smother weeds with the shade of those big, overlapping leaves.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 22, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

rickoshea, do you have a local garden club? Would you feel comfortable putting an ad somewhere? I used to work with someone who answered an ad for exactly that kind of trade and it had been a happy relationship for years.

Will fax tomatoes anywhere (on blue and white plates). :)

Posted by: -dbG- | August 22, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I love squash, but I'm so limited for garden space that I grow only the small ones. Limited by heat (or the lack thereof) too. I didn't get any squash going this year.

Maggie, around here there are organizations which match up garden space with those who want a garden but don't have the space - maybe there is something like that in your area. Or maybe someone could put in raised beds for you so that you don't have to bend so much. I hear you on the knee thing. I ruined my right knee years ago planting daffodils.

Posted by: seasea1 | August 22, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Drill, Baby, Drill is the saddest chant I have ever heard.

Posted by: seasea1 | August 22, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Addendum. "Short Stories--Dark Side of the Lens" is a dazzling surf movie from the cliffs of western Ireland. Director Mickey Smith is a young Cornwall native. Astounding water photography, editing, narration. It could be a National Geographic feature.

The YouTube link to the video is ridiculously long, so go here:
http://www.relentlessenergy.com/films

In the not-ready-for-prime-time department, here's bodysurfing in mushy surf in Sydney.

Bodysurfing is one of those things that's more attempted than actually done. There isn't much video. The guy without swim fins must be an extremely powerful swimmer, accelerating fast enough to catch waves that should take swim fins or (better) a board. Here's the Sydney video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGd59LpgiGU&feature=search

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 22, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Rush Limbaugh just sold his Central Park condo for eleven million dollars. See this link for pictures of this Versailles-inspired travesty which makes anything Donald Trump owns look tasteful.

http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&listingid=1961839

He is such a man of the people.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 22, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Garden status here is total overabundance of everything except cukes, which have finally run out of steam. I gave beans, squash and tomatoes to our friends last night. We just had a tomato, zucchini casserole for dinner along with grilled green beans and I have a zip lock bag stuffed full of beans left.

The butternut squash vines are fun to watch. They weave in and out and over and under the garden fence. We have one squash that started growing in the middle of an opening in the 2" chicken wire. It's still growing like mad on either side of the wire opening and should make for a great conversation piece when it's ripe. I have no idea how many squash there are, not as many as Jumper, but a lot.

Posted by: badsneakers | August 22, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

kbertocci, Thanks so very much for locating that article! Now I can copy it and have it for reference (along with Joy of Cooking) every time I make a sandwich.

Cool!

;-]

Posted by: MadamDeb | August 22, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Yello, there's no way that jacuzzi tub was big enough for Rush, probably why he sold the place, because otherwise, it is such a lovely place (choke!).

Posted by: badsneakers | August 22, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I may be able to tend my yard for a decade or so, but I'm realizing that both yard and house are stuffed with plants and household goods. It's time to begin thinning, indoors and out.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 22, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

what a riot, that limbaugh. interesting that ALL of us liberals "hate god (and) think he's a tree." i chortled out loud at that one. my friends are liberal. all of them are way religious, worship weekly, and, i promise you, don't think god is "a tree." (I don't either; I'm just not religious.)

It's obvious how empty he is, how he has no facts, and how incendiary he is for effect...and yet a huge chunk of the population believes he spews *truth.* (shudder)

btw? two of those who buy rush's BS are my strict "christian" aunt and her husband.

Posted by: heresmare | August 22, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Great photos of Peanut Island, kb. When I lived in WPB it was just an unofficial hang-out for boaters. I'm glad to see they have made something of the place. On the Gulf Coast, Caladesi Island State Park is also only accessible by boat. A great way to get away from it all as long as you have plenty of sunscreen.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 22, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Here's a little item I noticed while reading the description of Rushbaby's condo. "Hand painted gold leaf". This is the epitome of his faux-ness.

'Gold leaf' is self-explanatory. A supply of the material is a sheaf of whisper-thin leafs of sheet gold. They are applied, slightly overlapping, onto a base and then burnished to a luster. "Painting" has nothing to do with it. Gold paint to mimic gold leaf is the cheater's way. ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | August 22, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I probably have another hour or two to finish drafting my part of the pleading, but I just wanted to say that my fax machine is on for any and/or all of the excess butternut squash. I *love* that stuff, and it's good for ya, too.

Gold leaf? Multimillion dollar condo? I guess all those "wives" must be out for the $$$, because I simply *can't* imagine it would be for the s3x (ewwwwwwwwwwww).

Posted by: ftb3 | August 22, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

ftb, butternut not quite ripe yet but when it is, I'll alert you and fax some.

Just because the real estate agents sell high priced stuff does not necessarily mean they know how to write the copy for it. (With at least one notable exception, I feel sure!)

Posted by: badsneakers | August 22, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

btw, I realize that a realtor wrote that description. It just symbolized for me the falsity of Limbaugh that "hand painted gold leaf" sounds good but simply doesn't exist.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 22, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Obsession by any other name is Rustyphobia. Ameriphobics sometimes suffer this additional syndrome. Don't doubt US.

Posted by: RichNomore | August 22, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

richnomore, we'd understand you better if you spoke ENGLISH. Your pidgin rush ebonics makes for tough comprehension.

Rush has an interesting history. I have a few things in common. We both suffer hearing loss and pilonidal disease.

Every time I get a flare up from the second one, I will think of Rush.

Posted by: baldinho | August 22, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

It's always nice to go to the local county fair with a good friend on such a lovely afternoon as we've just had.

It's even nicer when you bother to check the schedule ahead of time to figure out the fair ended yesterday. *L*

It's nicest, of course, when everyone can just shrug off the faux pas and have a delightful afternoon regardless.

Right, bc? :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 22, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

(CBS/AP)-July 6,2006

Rush Limbaugh and prosecutors in the long-running prescription fraud case against him have reached a deal calling for the only charge against the conservative commentator to be dropped without a guilty plea if he continues treatment, his attorney said Friday.

Prosecutors' three-year investigation of Limbaugh began after he publicly acknowledged being addicted to pain medication and entered a rehabilitation program. They accused Limbaugh of "doctor shopping," or illegally deceiving multiple doctors to receive overlapping prescriptions, after learning that he received about 2,000 painkillers, prescribed by four doctors in six months, at a pharmacy near his Palm Beach mansion.

Limbaugh has a huge audience -- 14 to 20 million people listen to his show every week, reports CBS News correspondent Bob Orr.

The warrant alleges that sometime between February and August 2003, Limbaugh withheld information from a medical practitioner from whom he sought to obtain a controlled substance or a prescription for a controlled substance.

Prosecutors began investigating Limbaugh in 2003 after the National Enquirer reported his housekeeper's allegations that he had abused OxyContin and other painkillers. He soon took a five-week leave from his radio show to enter a rehabilitation program and acknowledged he had become addicted to pain medication. He blamed it on severe back pain.

Prosecutors seized Limbaugh's medical records after learning about the painkillers he had received at the Palm Beach pharmacy. The investigation was held up as the prosecutors and Black battled in court over whether the records were properly seized.

Limbaugh reported five years ago that he had lost most of his hearing because of an autoimmune inner-ear disease. He had surgery to have an electronic device placed in his skull to restore his hearing. But research shows that abusing opiate-based painkillers also can cause profound hearing loss.

www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/28/national/main1561324.shtml
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Alternet,July 6, 2006

What was Rush doing in the Dominican Republic? Why was he returning from a country known for its thriving sex trade, with a controlled prescription that didn't have his name on it?
From a 2001 Wired.com article:
the Dominican Republic is one of the biggest sex tourism destinations in the world, thanks in part to Internet sites that extol the country as a "single man's paradise." July 6, 2006
.
www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/38192/

Posted by: areyousaying | August 22, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Dmd - off to swim but I am thinking that the pink/lavender bar clematis is one of the hardy Polish hybrids...would have to look at the stamens more closely. Hope that helps.

K-12 starts in the AM; where did the summer go?

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | August 22, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

WHOA!
jacquie1 of bigbuttland,

Last time anyone checked Mr. Rush has a real birth certificate and will probably not be choking and meeting you in that hot place real soon since his talent has to be turned in at the other place before he can go anywhere near there. Seriously, you need to lighten up, would not be good for your eyes to bulge way out and your head explode.

Posted by: RichNomore | August 22, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

The most beautiful five minutes in history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeLyPo_Wz4&feature=related

Posted by: baldinho | August 22, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Scotty! How was the gig in Hampton? Wish I coulda been there.

Posted by: baldinho | August 22, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

dmd-Looks like Nelly Moser to me.
http://www.em.ca/garden/per_clematis_nelly_moser.html

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 22, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

baldinho!! It went about par for the course, a sprinkling of cogent discussion on top of a lot of rude, unintelligent behavior. *shrug*

Howsabout that editorial I linked to this morning? :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 22, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Who's that making such a racket on MY (your?) BRIDGE?

Posted by: RichNomore | August 22, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

We'd call you Tim, but that moniker is honourable occupied.

I appreciate the flash of humour, though!

Hmmm, just as I thought...

Posted by: Yoki | August 22, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

That was what I was thinking Frosti, flowers are quite small though but that might be because it is the first flowering.

Posted by: dmd3 | August 22, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

With eyes still stinging from the closing moments of South Pacific I come asking for boodle baking advice.

My attempt to duplicate an addictive gingersnap cookie, of giant proportions, and secret recipe went rather well. The flavor spot on-thoroughly grown up, dark, spicy and complex. However, the goal is a crispy outside with gooey interior reminiscent of a good brownie. Today's batch was crispy and soft inside, but not as wet as I'd like. Think wet shoo fly pie goo. Increase the molasses? Bake at a hotter temp and shorter time? (currently 350F for approx 16-18 minutes-I said these were huge) Thoughts, favorite family recipes? The dough is already quite soft and needed refrigeration before baking.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 22, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Now THIS is funny!!!

http://thisisphotobomb.com/2010/08/20/photobomb-that-guy-does-not-bode-well/

*ROFL*

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 22, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

frosti, was the sweetener a combination of fancy molasses and granulated white sugar?

Posted by: Yoki | August 22, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Can there ever be so much not getting it at such a level that so many aspire to not get it too. Any effort will be rewarded with weariness and hopefully sleep to rise again tomorrow and go on as if nothing had happened.

Posted by: RichNomore | August 22, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Frosti, we are big fans of these cookies, made batches of them last christmas a huge hit, not really snaps but good strong flavour

http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/member/views/STARBUCKS-GINGER-MOLASSES-COOKIES-50002597

Posted by: dmd3 | August 22, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

If yes, I'd hesitate to use more molasses since it can overwhelm the other flavours, but I'd substitute:

- real unrefined brown sugar for 1/2 of the granulated;

- very finely-grated fresh ginger-root for dried powdered ginger, if that is what the recipe called for. Generally speaking, you need about twice the volume of fresh than dried.

One of my elderly cousins-in-law made the best gingersnaps I've ever had (recall they used fresh ginger), and I'll check with me old Mum whether she has that recipe on hand.

Posted by: Yoki | August 22, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Ah, come on now, Richnomore, you've just been acknowledged as an high satirist. Be gracious.

Posted by: Yoki | August 22, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Sorry this is the recipe I used (knew I had bookmarked it somewhere).

http://www.recipelink.com/mf/21/5892

Posted by: dmd3 | August 22, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Yoki-for sweetening it currently has 1/4 cup unsulphured molasses, 1/2 cup dark brown sugar, and 1/2 cup granulated. I'm using dry ginger and am happy with the flavor as it's very fresh and good stuff to start with, but if fresh ginger will help me get the gooey texture I'm willing to switch.

All the snap of this cookie comes from the spice (ginger, cloves, cinnamon) not the crunch of the cookie. It must be moist inside and crisp on the outside. The crispiness all but flakes off like a layer of a great croissant.

Off to check dmd's Starbucks recipe link.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 22, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

dmd, I was thinking it was Nelly Moser too, but thought it must be something more exotic. My Nelly Moser was hidden this year in the Clematis armandii. Very pleased with the Clematis montana which has covered the arbor, finally (and would cover the yard if I let it). I'll have to see if I can find the name of the blue clematis which has come back from the dead.

Posted by: seasea1 | August 22, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Substitute a little corn syrup for some of the sugar. Might help.

Posted by: --dr-- | August 22, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

The other difference I noticed is that the flower only has six petals and unless I counted wrong the Nelly Moser has 7. Stamens seem a little different as well.

Glad frosti posted the picture she did as the one I used to compare was not as good and the colours looked quite different.

Posted by: dmd3 | August 22, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I love the Boodle.

Posted by: Yoki | August 22, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Though there probably ought to be a caveat issued when I say that. This is me, giving cookie advice. In some circles people run screaming...

Posted by: --dr-- | August 22, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Done with my stuff -- took just a little over 7 hours. Time to make a quick (and very lean) dinner and then fall asleep over the paper and in front of television.

A good and lucrative day, I'd say.

Posted by: ftb3 | August 22, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

dmd-that recipe looks like a good direction to go from here. It uses all brown sugar, a tad more flour, higher oven temp and shorter bake time. With 1/4 cup of dough per cookie it'll produce the right size.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 22, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

So what have WE learned today? Maybe project at your own risk? Choose a person and assign all you abhor in others, yourself, and you end up hating the hater which goes counter to all good advice. In the process y'all forget to hate the hate, and there you go again, it spreads like wild-fire from you to them to me and around the world. So isn't hating a hater, as long as it is someone everybody agrees is worthy of it, really the easiest and most gutless choice?

Posted by: RichNomore | August 22, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Read the reviews frosti, one of the recipes we used had a good tip to make the cookies more to our liking. Can't recall if it was the ginger cookies or the chai though.

So wishing I was close by to act as a taster for you.

Sneaks makes wonderful cookies she may have some tips.

Posted by: dmd3 | August 22, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Duplication of gingerbread cookies brought this to mind:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/the-third-replicator/?hp#preview

In which Susan Blackmore argues the case for gene-meme-teme co-evolution among the Pandoran species.

With technological evolution moving ahead at a rapid pace, it is only a matter of time before the human function consists merely of eating, digesting and excreting the cookie, and, of course, talking about the experience.

Posted by: -tao- | August 22, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Here is my blue clematis - Multi Blue - much better for real than this pic -
http://www.homeofclematis.net/multiblue.html

dmd, could yours be Charissima?
http://www.homeofclematis.net/charissima.html

They've got lots to look at - it's actually Clearview Clematis Nursery in BC.

Posted by: seasea1 | August 22, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts on the ginger snaps: try light brown instead of dark brown sugar, use a flour other than the usual favorite King Arthur, something about the gluten content (I have been using Gold Medal for my sugar cookies). Try baking them slightly less, take them out when they still look a bit underdone and let them cool a bit on the cookie sheet before removing them.

It sounds like they were almost perfect tho' so don't fiddle too much!

Still waiting for the rain to come, it was mostly cloudy and showered a bit today but nothing measurable yet.

My strange tropic plant is about to put out two (!) more flowers. I am wildly happy about this. Can't wait for the wonderful scent which is only detectable at night.

Posted by: badsneakers | August 22, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Don't think so seasea, the flower is clearly lavender/pale mauve - I am not the best at the colour classifications but pretty sure mine isn't pink - that is a beautiful flower though.

And that Blue one - so envious. Spending all day at clematis has made me wish I had acres of fend to drape them over - so many gorgeous varieties.

Posted by: dmd3 | August 22, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, sorry I missed the editorial earlier. Had a fun busy day.

The controversy when Seabrook was being built was a pretty good firestorm, but one I didn't pay attention too much. I became aware of the issues of evacuation only recently as I was trying to devise a way to overhaul the Route 1 drawbridge over the Hampton River. The bridge didn't really come into play, because the evacuation was north of the bridge go north, south of the bridge go south.

I assume the Portsmouth papers were against Seabrook then? It was a tepid endorsement, but an endorsement nonetheless.

I have spoken at a couple of public hearings in Hampton regarding that drawbridge. My experience was that the town officials and the vast majority of the townsfolk were the nicest people ever. There were a couple of rabblerousers and ranters, but most of them were good folks. They knew a lot; you couldn't really practice bovine scatology with them (thank you, Gen. Schwartzkopf).

Posted by: baldinho | August 22, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, I hope the protesters/opposition wasn't too rude.... or was it the folks trying to shout down the opposition?

My first real taste of the no nukes crowd was when I was working for Electric Boat in CT. I went to 2 or 3 launches of newly-built submarines. There was a roped-off protest section inside the shipyard with the no nukes coalition holding gravestones and banging drums.

The shipyard was not a friendly environment for them, but nobody gave them much guff. They were allowed right up next to the ways.

Posted by: baldinho | August 22, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I think if Richnomore continues to try to use more civil arguments and slightly less slanderous charges against us here he can stay. He and we might learn some stuff.

Posted by: baldinho | August 22, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm astounded by the production of the winter squashes too, Dave. I used to dabble only in the yellow summer squash and one awful year of zucchini. Awful because I got a bushel and I don't care for it, I found. Standard story of friends and neighbors running; knew I'd try to give them more.
Next experiment will be a pumpkin pie with caramelized onions, half the sugar. For grownups. Why? because I CAN.

Saw most of Gandhi a while ago. Shot by a Muslim terrorist! Damn.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 22, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

But not this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghaffar_Khan

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 22, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Frosti, here's the recipe from the Scottish cookbook I have had for, oh, nigh onto 4 decades (ginger snaps are Scottish in origin, doncha know):

1 C sugar
1 C butter
3/4 C dark molasses
1 egg
1.5 teas vinegar
3 C flour
1.5 teas baking soda
2 teas ginger
1/8 teas white pepper

Cream butter and sugar together until fluffy. Bend in molasses. Beat in egg and vinegar. Sift flour, soda, ginger, and pepper together and blend in. Drop by teaspoonsful on cookie sheet, and bake at 350 degrees F for 7 to 10 minutes. Cookies may be brushed with a confectioners sugar and water glaze while warm. Makes 100.

Posted by: slyness | August 22, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I also found two new taco fillings: chopped sauteed yellow squash, seeds removed. And plantain cubes, sauteed. I mix these with other fillings, such as bacon, onions. Separate occasions.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 22, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Someone has probably mentioned this, but Trader Joe's has ginger cookies with powdered ginger, fresh ginger and candied ginger that are quite addictive.

Posted by: nellie4 | August 22, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

The universal Darwinist test for the caramelized onion pumpkin pie variant will be the survival of the fittest recipe in the process of natural selection.

Be sure to watch Blackmore's 20 minute talk at the previously supplied link.

Posted by: -tao- | August 22, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Gandhi's assassin, Nathuram Godse was not a "Muslim terrorist," but a Hindu Brahmin.

Posted by: -tao- | August 22, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm so embarrassed.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 22, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Why, jumper?

Posted by: Yoki | August 22, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Two suggestions for caramelized onion pumpkin pie: (1) use Vidalia onions or Texas Sweets, (2) soak chopped onions in cold milk for about 30 minutes before caramelizing. Give onion milk to cat with a bit of trout in the milk.

Posted by: -tao- | August 22, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Working extra time on the irony board today eh, Jumper?
Unfortunately there are many Hindu fanatics in India who would kill Gandhi again at the drop of a hat.

Why I might even say about 20% of the population...
(ok I just made that up, just to be clear)

Posted by: DNA_Girl | August 22, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking it might be time for a $15 week challenge. Any boodlers up for trying to eat well, I mean really well, for $15 per person for a whole week this fall? I am still using the bread, butternut squash soup, and tzadziki recipes I stumbled on last year. This year I'm thinking less meat and more legumes. However, last year I had a bumper crop of leaf lettuce and all the squash I wanted from the garden at the local youth program. They didn't have a garden this year and my lettuce bolted ages ago.

Jumper-I am very interested in the pumpkin pie you are developing. I mean beyond my usual adoration of pie. Please keep us posted.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 22, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Hi from rainy Bombay, btw.
Not as bad as in Pakistan though; please give if you can.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | August 22, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

sneaks-your advice makes sense.

slyness-that recipe is very interesting. I can see that my recipe could take a good deal more molasses.

howdy DNA_Girl-a good, and sobering reminder.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 22, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm humiliated!

Posted by: Yoki | August 22, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

dmd -- unless this is a young plant or odd time to flower, I do not think that is Nelly Moser. More contrast on the band -- pink -- and edges near white.

Something about the stamens and subtle band make me think of the Polish hybrids. Remind me of the petal count? Would you say the stamens are the same color as the petal with the tips yellow or golden? Are the entire stamens golden?
--
Jumper, yummm.....

Back to clemetis (dmd, you make me so happy you have no idea)

Brother Stefan Franczak, an 85 year old Polish monk who died this July, had been collecting, growing and breeding clematis hybrids for over 40 years. He has raised and introduced over 30 varieties...I wished you lived close enough for me to drop by with my Christopher Lloyd book on clematis....go to this site as the Brits beat our pants off concerning clemetis....oh my, now my nethers are showing...pardon, pardon, pardon.

http://www.britishclematis.org.uk/Condol.htm

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | August 22, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Hi, DNA_Girl. Sounds like a wonderful trip. The devastation in Pakistan is almost too much to imagine. Thanks for the reminder - and stay safe!

Just saw that Lou Pinella is retiring from baseball. He is a character.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/baseball/archives/218966.asp

Posted by: seasea1 | August 22, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Dmd -- see the Warsaw Nike:

http://www.britishclematis.org.uk/plantprofiles/WarsawNike.htm

Not your clematis but the bar on petals is color stripe on similar hue with the golden stamens....many of the Polish hybrids have such rich dimensional barring....sorry to the nonClematii among us... pardon if my little box canyon of joy is confining....I can stop ANYTIME. ANYTIME I TELL YOU....

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | August 22, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Frosti, I could do the $15 challenge (I sure could lose the pounds), but it's a bit unfair, for I can cheat and very happily eat rice and dal all week, supplemented with tea and biscuits, and a couple apples/bananas, and barely crack $10 (though I really should double check that estimate). With the extra $5 I'd splurge on sugar snap peas. Yum.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | August 22, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Jumper:
Some recipes that call for pumpkin allow calabaza squash to be used in its place. The taste is smooth and somewhat sweet. Calabaza is a good source of Vitamin A. I suggest this variant of caramelized onion pumpkin pie for those on a $15 a week food budget.

Posted by: -tao- | August 22, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

frosti, I am game. Cannot include CeePeeBoy or friend as they are ravenous, I tell you. My latest love is eggplant roasted and then whipped into a froth with garlic, salt/pepper, Greek yogurt and eaten in so many ways....including as a bread spread for sandwiches.....

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | August 22, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Dmd -- look at Twilight here:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rickstevens/clematisphotos/purples.html

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | August 22, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Dmd -- look at Twilight here:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rickstevens/clematisphotos/purples.html

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | August 22, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Dmd -- General Sikorski is pinkish in some lights but his sepals are too squat i think:

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rickstevens/clematisphotos/blues.html

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | August 22, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

http://www.dotcomwomen.com/food/thanksgiving/pumpkin-onion-tart.shtml

This recipe is from Joel's home town.

Posted by: -tao- | August 22, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Dmd -- Arabella opens blue but ages gracefully to pinkish.

http://www.clematis.hull.ac.uk/new-clemdetail.cfm?dbkey=110

Arabella lives in my sideyard. Her seed fluffies look positively Suessian.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | August 22, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

CqP!

frosti, I'd try refrigerating the cookies on the sheet prior to baking.

I wonder if Rose Levy Beranbaum has written anything on the subject. Her baking books are spectacular, including her *Christmas Cookies* one.

baldinho, isn't that somewhat like inviting a vampire into the house?

Posted by: -dbG- | August 22, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Pumpkin Onion Pie (hereafter POP) is the sweeter, reduced sugar variant, while the Gainesville Pumpkin Onion Tart (hereafter POT) is the savory, no sugar variety and could adapt to Alice B. Toklas seasoning.

Posted by: -tao- | August 22, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

CP you know you are welcome to drop by anytime!

Closest I saw was a Nelly Moser cross, which I suspect it is.

Flower six petals, and it is young, flowers maybe 3-4" stamens are unique, not the deep purple of some varieties, just at the tips.

A Nelly Moser would flower May/June and again in September - this being it's first year flowering - September does make sense.

Enjoying viewing those Polish varieties - thanks, a couple more buds have formed to I will keep taking pictures.

Posted by: dmd3 | August 22, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

dBG -- ahh, the splendor of rhubarb....teeHee..teeHee...making the back-to-school time better.

And tomatoes? report? I ate cubed tomatoes -- Brandywine and Better Boy -- in a relish of avocado, scallions, rice vinegar, and the barest splash of lime with a whiffie of cilantro...Yesterday, I did. I shall dream of this tonight, surely.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | August 22, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

dmd -- this project may take until mid Summer next year, which is a delightful way to keep talking about our box canyon of mutual delight. Others can cheer us or talk of bear hibernation dates, jibs and booms, the slant of wing dampers, the texture of yeastie-threaded bread as it breathes in the sunny window of Yoki's kitchen....

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | August 22, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Just came back in after spending a couple of hours catching up with the finally-at-home husband (11 days).

What a pleasant time reading of clematis and pumpkin onion pie and ginger snap recipes. I'll share this box canyon with you all any old evening. *sighing in pleasure*

Baldinho, if my vote counts at all, it is nay. I like debate but not running rhetorical mobius strips to nowhere.

Jumper, I watched some of Gandhi, too. First time in years. Had I been asked I'd have been hard pressed to remember the religious persuasion of the assassin, though I'm sure I knew at one time, so don't be embarrassed for heaven's sake!

Posted by: talitha1 | August 22, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

CqP, dmd, and other flowering maidens of the boodle,
Last night I walked on our terrace in warm rain surrounded by my Dad's potted Mogra, Chameli and Parijat (Prajakta) all intensely fragrant flowers. I thought of you.

http://www.anandway.com/articles.aspx?view=North_Indian_Garden_calendar_for_July&link=315

http://chandanamungre.blogspot.com/2009/06/fragrant-memories-of-parijat-tree.html

Posted by: DNA_Girl | August 22, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

SCC: CqP, dmd, and other flowering maidens of the boodle and DotC,

Posted by: DNA_Girl | August 22, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Wow... I missed this all. Just sat down and enjoyed all the comments, I especially like this one:

Well, I guess this does represent some kind of notoriety. As Oscar Wilde said, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.

...

Now, that there is a market for Rush's show doesn't surprise me. It's ideological pornography. I mean, nobody much cares if a porno flick makes sense.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 21, 2010 10:12 AM

Posted by: russianthistle | August 22, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

As to the thread, I think that it is amazing that Rush, himself, plays along to prove Joel's point. Especially since we get to read all the posts from the Ditto Heads who actually think that Joel is the Ruling Class and Rush is some sort of independent voice of truth.

I know that Rush is doing quite well by the confusion that he spins. I'd like to say more, but I have to buy some more gold coins and mention his name to get a better deal.

We all know that Joel, if he really did run the country would have been able to fix the leak in the first 30 days. The truth is that Joel is just a pawn like the rest of us.

Posted by: russianthistle | August 22, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

And, I also think that Joel would have been better on Monday Night Football. What the show needs are more stories about large pots of beans.

Posted by: russianthistle | August 22, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
Of cabbages—and kings—
And why the sea is boiling hot—
And whether pigs have wings."

—Through the Looking-Glass

Posted by: -tao- | August 22, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

*Speak* of many things.

Look it up.

Posted by: Yoki | August 23, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walrus_and_the_Carpenter

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/walrus.html

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

LOL, tao. You're citing Wikipedia.

And I have a first edition.

Posted by: Yoki | August 23, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

I saw the Gandhi movie in Billings, Mt., after a hurried visit to the local art center (in the old jail), which was aglow with color reduction woodcuts by a local artist. The art impressed enough that I made an appointment and repeated the 3.5 hour drive, coming home with a big image of dandelions.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 23, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

http://www.poetry-archive.com/c/the_walrus_and_the_carpenter.html

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

kbertocci,
I'll have to look up the Lantana movie. Sounds just arty enough to perhaps be in the local museum's library.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 23, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Three teme sources trump your first edition claim, Yoki.

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Ah, Hon.

Posted by: Yoki | August 23, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

One has to honor and admire Rush's skill. Not only is he able to conduct a highly-rated radio show but the material that buys his scotch whiskey -- the very same material -- refutes itself.

It's biodegradable!

When it comes to Rush, I feel sorry for people like George Will, who is admittedly also a member of the ruling class partisan political operative media. Hey wait a minute! Isn't Rush in the same group?

My head is spinning.

Posted by: Fifty | August 23, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Teme, FYI, is the Blackmore coinage for Technological Meme. Not everyone is a teme player.

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 12:44 AM | Report abuse

宥瑤

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

There really are alligators in the NYC sewers:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/nyregion/23reptile.html?_r=1

Posted by: yellojkt | August 23, 2010 5:42 AM | Report abuse

yello, great link to the gator. I love that it may go to a "licensed rehabilitator". What wordsmithing. I picture the gator having its feet shortened, it's skin removed and replaced with something a bit more modern, maybe an eye lift, and then released.

Posted by: baldinho | August 23, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

A black guy wandered through an Anti-Burlington Coat Factory rally yesterday and the crowd started chanting "No Mosque Here" on the assumption that he was Muslim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwaNRWMN-F4&feature=player_embedded#!

He's really a construction worker at the WTC site.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 23, 2010 6:08 AM | Report abuse

Good morning boodle!

CqP and DNA Girl-I'm thinking the first week of October, but that's selfishly because the best stuff will be available at the farmers market near the Hip Urban Loft. Let me know if another time suits you better.

Whole lot of good Favre did the Vikings last night (can't believe I bother to care).

Off in a few to pick Mr. F up from the airport (red eye from LAX). I have to say Tampa has the best cell phone lot in the US.

Later gators.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 23, 2010 6:35 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all. Highs in the 80s in the great state of NOVA today, hooray!

To the person who called us an insular little society of smug twits, I say thanks, but you are mistaken. We are legions...Joel has an enormous audience. Evidently you don't read the Science section of the Wapo. Joel is a regular contributor there, with a comment section there, as well. In fact, I'm reading that Rush has no comment section, so you are commenting here by the grace of Joel with a nod from said newspaper, and us twits.

Posted by: VintageLady | August 23, 2010 6:43 AM | Report abuse

jkt, that demonstration YouTube where the crowd turned on a black was amazing (not good). Thanks for sharing. Approved bigotry is not a pretty site. Love to hear all the people come out against that behavior.

Posted by: russianthistle | August 23, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

DNA_girl thank you for those pictures, they are beautiful flowers, Cannas are a popular annual around here, my dad used to grow them.

Since I am unfamiliar with the other flowers I imagined the scents of gardenia and jasmine as a couple looked similar - to my mind it was heavenly.

Posted by: dmd3 | August 23, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Well said, Vintage Lady! Huzzah!

Good morning, y'all. Whether I 'speak' or 'talk' today matters not, it's gonna be a busy one. Looking forward to a new kit despite the results on the last occasion I did so. A good day to all!

Posted by: talitha1 | August 23, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

And in more mosque news, they aren't very popular in Tennessee either. Which as far as I know hasn't suffered any terrorist attacks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/22/AR2010082202895.html

But Muslims pray daily in the Pentagon chapel dedicated to the 9/11 attack.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/22/AR2010082202635.html

Draw your own irony.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 23, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

yello-I was first certified to teach in Tennessee where it was common knowledge in my grad program that Alaska and Hawaii became states so Tennessee could remain 48th in education and not be dead last.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 23, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Morning all...

baldinho, it was the opposition who felt no need to provide common courtesy, trust me. The people who were geniunely curious about things were quite polite.

*fighting-an-unusual-Monday-morning-headache-but-whadda-ya-gonna-do Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 23, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all, and happy Monday. The temp was 71 when Mr. T and I went out for our morning walk at 0600 hours. It was quite pleasant, with a nice little breeze and not humid. Do you think we could possibly be approaching a change in seasons?

Cassandra, I hope you're up and feeling well this morning. Did the family dinner work out as you'd hoped? I trust it was a good time for all!

School starts here Wednesday; a bus running its route passed us about 0630 hours, when we were about halfway through the walk. I'm not looking forward to the heavier traffic.

Have a good day, everyone!

Posted by: slyness | August 23, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

'Morning everybody. You know all that rain we haven't had here all summer - well, it's here. Pretty much just pouring down and windy and dark. It would have been a good morning to sleep in, alas. Quite chilly too, which is another big change. Ah well, I have stuff to do this morning so maybe by the time I get back there will be a new Kit that isn't so controversial, please Joel!

Posted by: badsneakers | August 23, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Boodleroonies!

All of Chile is euphoric since last night after contact been established with miners trapped seventeen days. Rescuers hope to have them out by Christmas.

Good article on WaPo home page.

Brag

Posted by: Braguine | August 23, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Scotty, hope you feel better.

when I watched the video, I was left with this response in my own mind... came from a very strong individual:

"Hatred ever kills, love never dies; such is the vast difference between the two.
What is obtained by love is retained for all time. What is obtained by hatred proves
a burden in reality for it increases hatred."

-- Mohandas Karamachand Gandhi

Any pundit or politician who stokes this under the veil of consideration for the fallen fails to address that this is really about hatred and bigotry at its core and what they do is energizing a negative process for American society that will not be easily reversed.

Posted by: russianthistle | August 23, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Brag, that is wonderfull news for the miners, their families and the country. As it happened I had just read the story prior to your post and was thinking that I've not followed the progress in Chile's recovery from the earthquake as closely as I would have liked.

This story will most likely hold many around the world enthralled in the months to come until rescue can be effected. Mojo to those men.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 23, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Now, that there is a market for Rush's show doesn't surprise me. It's ideological pornography. I mean, nobody much cares if a porno flick makes sense.


Posted by: RD_Padouk |

Limbaugh = ideological pornography... I Love It! Well, said!!

Posted by: dstreet208 | August 23, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Back on topic:

Rush is a self made disastrohoochie only able to survive in the low brainer Rantosphere.

Sigh, I wish he would rant about my writings.

Brag :)

Posted by: Braguine | August 23, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Re the controversy in NY City in my mind:

Gandhi was once asked what he thought about western civilization. His
response was: "I think it would be a good idea."

Posted by: russianthistle | August 23, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

And in the rhetorical question style they have used since the 'Is God Dead?' issue, Time Magazine asks 'Is America Islamophobic?'

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011798,00.html

Posted by: yellojkt | August 23, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Channeling Gandhi is the perfect counterpoint to the topic of the kit. Thanks, Weed. (His biopic aired on TCM last evening and we were speaking of him here then. Makes me smile and sigh at once.)

Posted by: talitha1 | August 23, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

yello, I'm afraid the true question is "How much of America is Islamophobic?

*SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 23, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. Another day, another 2in. of rain.
If you think traffic is bad in Washington how about being caught in a jam for 9 days?
http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-08/566070.html

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | August 23, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Dan Zak has a nice piece on the birthday of the can and How It Saved/Created Western Civilization. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/22/AR2010082202732.html?sid=ST2010082202785 It was born 200 years ago Wednesday, only one day after me. Neither of us came with a paper label nor a list of ingredients and other health information back then, either. It was and remains more stackable than me, but I took longer to make. And I'm more easily recycleable. And I pose no risk of botulism. Distemper, yes; botulism, no.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | August 23, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't Ghandi, like, a muslim or a Shindu or something? That's all we need, some whack-job foreigner telling us how to conduct our protest movements peacefully and non-violently. Sissy-pants.

Anyway, there is this breaking news update entirely on-kit from Andy Borowitz:

"Poll: One out of Five Americans Do Not Believe Obama Exists

‘Existers’ Movement Gathers Steam

"WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) – In what might be the most serious challenge to Barack Obama’s legitimacy as President, a new poll shows that one out of five Americans are not convinced that Mr. Obama exists.

The poll, conducted by the University of Minnesota’s Opinion Research Institute, reveals that 23 percent of those surveyed “strongly agreed” with the statement, “I believe that Barack Obama’s birth was faked, just like the moon landing.”

The poll results coincide with the recent rise of the so-called “Exister” movement, a group who believes that Mr. Obama is an optical illusion created by the Democratic Party to raise taxes and bail out banks.

“The Birthers say that Obama’s lack of a birth certificate means he was born in Kenya,” says Jerrilene Rance, a leading Exister. “We believe it’s proof that he was never born.”

Ms. Rance says that while President George W. Bush was criticized for disappearing every August, “Obama is never there to begin with.”

Appearing Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky) made comments about Mr. Obama’s existence that only stoked the controversy.

“I’ve spoken to him face-to-face, and I take him at his word that he exists,” he said. “Unless of course I was talking to a hologram.”

At the White House, spokesman Robert Gibbs brushed aside a question about the President’s existence, saying that Mr. Obama had “no comment.”

Exister leader Jerrilene Rance offered this response: "The reason he has no comment is that he has no mouth."

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | August 23, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

DNAGirl sex "Unfortunately there are many Hindu fanatics in India who would kill Gandhi again at the drop of a hat."

Methinks the same goes for MLK in this country.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 23, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

"Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" was my fave.

Re.: pumpkin = butternut squash = pumpkin, I have adopted that equation for so long I forget it's news to some. It's true. I've discovered the orange Hubbards work as roasted veggies as well as for pies also.

Yoki asked why I was embarrassed. Because I threw out an incorrect supposition about Gandhi's assassin without checking. I must say the correction by tao was a good example of our point. It's almost as if I did it on purpose.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 23, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget hoof-n-mouth, 'Mudge. I hear much of the conservatariat was never properly immunized...

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 23, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

hopelessly off kit: yet another take on the 5o greatest guitar players ITW.

http://www.latimesmagazine.com/2010/08/the-greatest-guitarists-ever.html

Posted by: -jack- | August 23, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

48 this morning here on the left coast but heading to 99 tomorrow afternoon.

Posted by: bh72 | August 23, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

for bia,
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/20/PKCM1E6QDR.DTL&type=entertainment

Posted by: bh72 | August 23, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Mudge,
Part of what makes that Borowitz article funny is the parody of what Mitch McConnell said on Sunday when he said he takes Obama 'at his word' on being a Christian, meaning he really doesn't.

Jonathan Chiatt artfully deconstructs that dog-whistle:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/77160/mcconnells-dirty-pool

Posted by: yellojkt | August 23, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

jack, about the only one of the top 20 I can quibble with is Jack White -- not a large enough body of work (or the benefit of history) to make an honest comparison to the others. More of a "flavor of the month" selection, IMHO.

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 23, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

One of the antecedents of the can is confit, which has almost dropped out of American memory entirely. That's cooking a stew, often in the old days in a clay pot, and a thick layer of fat on top seals the boiled food below when it cools and the fat solidifies. Confits can be stored for months. Not too good for hauling around, however. I think Mason jars would have sufficed for prospectors, soldiers, etc. if the jars were properly sealed at the beginning.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 23, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fLJSDJ-How&feature=related

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I think my grandmother used to make jelly confit, jumper. At least, she made jelly, put it in jars (that were more like drinking glasses, no neck or anything) and sealed them with about a half inch of wax. Is that a confit?

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | August 23, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I think my grandmother used to make jelly confit, jumper. At least, she made jelly, put it in jars (that were more like drinking glasses, no neck or anything) and sealed them with about a half inch of wax. Is that a confit?

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | August 23, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I heard Rush Limbaugh once many, many years ago and decided there was no place in my life for his horrible lies. He has only gotten worse. I wonder how people on the right can be so misinformed (not all of them) and it is because many of them are brainwashed. No you are not born a Muslim anymore than you are born a Christian. Just like being a Christian if you decide to be one you have choices. Catholic, Southern Baptist, Seventh-day Adventist, Episcopal, Anglican, Methodist? The list goes on and the beliefs vary. The Muslims sects differ widely also. The sufis are the peace lovers. The Shias differ in thier beliefs from the Sunnis. Al Qaeda hates the sufis and blew up a mosque in Pakistan while they were at prayer and killed 42 of them. People need to turn off Rush and the other lunatics and try to learn something about this world.

Posted by: withersb | August 23, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I had a coworker who played a game whenever forced to listen to Limbaugh. He would time how long it would take before Rush told a blatant falsehood or launched an ad hominem attack. Usually never took very long.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 23, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Predicting the winner of a major campaign can be tricky, but even so, I'm thinking this guy probably doesn't have much of a shot at it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hvaeHllwtw

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | August 23, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Tao/Shiloh, looks like you haven't been playing in the teme for long yourself--only about 5 hours between your post (#13) on the NYT article on "The Third Replicator" and your one here.

If you think we're such an insular little society of smug twits, why keep hanging around trying to join?

Posted by: -dbG- | August 23, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

relating to lawsuits brought by individuals against those who aren't carful about what they post on the 'net:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-blogger-suits-20100823,0,5604043.story

i suspect, if it hasn't happened already, that some of these cases will be presented to the SCOTUS. it'll be interesting to see whether the legal arguements will be heard.

Posted by: -jack- | August 23, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

dbg - I think that reference was ironic.

Posted by: bobsewell | August 23, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Well, now that you are on the radar, Joel, you can go to Disney World. Congrats! :)

Jaysus, why do people listen to this load still? I feel dumber reading that transcript and cannot imagine listening to Limbfat spewing this crap day in and day out.

Posted by: LABC | August 23, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

If Obama is just an optical illusion, at least it is a pleasant one.

Posted by: gmbka | August 23, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

dbG: Why do some people visit the zoo? I don't think they are trying to join. Watching a display contest between trolls and twits is amusing and culturally enlightening (even when they retreat to the relative safety of the bunker). But one of the best is the threat display, when they get their hackles up and hiss and spit through the bars of the internet. Visitors can always walk away.

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Talk about twits!

Posted by: -dbG- | August 23, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

So much for irony, bob s!

No threat display here, just rme at a troll.

Posted by: -dbG- | August 23, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Tao/Shiloh

Most of know your plan. Lurk or not. Appear. Post in short koan-ic phrases. Sometimes post in characters. Pose as mild and wise.

Then, you strike. Or stir the pot. Or import stinging nettles, no-se-ums or wasps.

So, don't play dumb. Do what you will. Most of us know exactly your web persona. You have a serious burr of mean under your saddle. I guess you have your reasons. However, that you try to hurt others? Well. Sick. Sad.

---
Hey,y'lll I have minted cucumber soup in tall glasses. Drink up. Yummy and refreshing. Day is the first day of school in these parts. Oh the humanity of faces with equal parts of summer-end-glums and hey, I have new shoes!

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | August 23, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

*slurp*

Many thanks, CQP!

Posted by: MsJS | August 23, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

You would have to be brain dead to listen to that every day. I started to count the # of false arguments and assumptions posited in that rant but was overwhelmed by how many could be fit into one sentence at a time . They were so numerious as to defy belief. Do the people who actually drill holes in their heads and listen to this know that by your giving him your time you make him extremely wealthy? What do you get out of it? Other then that mind numbing sensation and a feeling of superiority or anger. Do you really have nothing else to do?

Posted by: kchses1 | August 23, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

A most interesting Kit and weekend Boodle. Like many others, this is as much Rush as I have ever read. Fortunately I've not heard him so can't "read" it in his voice. Congrats to Joel on personal calling-out by the Wingnut King.

Wonderful food conversation. Reading it all at once means I must go get my lunch very soon now. Hungry. I'd sure like frosti's ginger cookie recipe, as is or perfected.

I envy those of you with gardens. Three weeks of mostly 100-degree weather have just burned my stuff up. Even the mint is gone; only the rosemary thrived. I have watered several tomatoes and some other vegetables, hoping to keep the roots and enough of the plants alive to encourage a resurrection should fall actually bring cooler weather.

Posted by: Ivansmom | August 23, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Nothing like the smell of a new freshly stocked pencil case on that first schoolday morning, eh?

Posted by: talitha1 | August 23, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Geez. Held for review. Not something that I've tripped across before (I know...shocking, isn't it?) Let's try again.

So I take a few days to myself, and miss Everything! Maybe it's the August heat, but I'm having a tough time following Rush. Are we at the "Four Legs Good! Two Legs Bad!" stage, or have we progressed to "Four Legs Good! Two Legs Better!'" stage? Is Rush's radio program the modern version of SparkNotes for those too lazy to do their own homework, or is he really just an entertainer, a la Ringling Bros, in which case, shouldn't he have a sequined jacket and a top hat? Dress for success and whatnot. Besides, if the jacket is the right length, it might be a slimming look for him.

About the little blue pills and the DR...what's the big deal? If someone heads to Amsterdam with a stash of Rizlas, that doesn't mean....oh wait. Bad example.

Have a happy day all!

Posted by: LostInThought | August 23, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm a twit.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 23, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

talitha - I used to like the joy of a brand-new pack of crayons. You know, the 64-color box with the built in sharpener. Oh, the joy of anticipation that came from putting one of those into my book-bag!

Of course, by the time I became a Junior the thrill did start to wear off.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 23, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Gene W. on Kojo's show as I type.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 23, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

talitha, that smell ought to be marketed under "Eau de Faber/Ticonderoga" or maybe "Eberhard for Men." Along with the smell of a freshly mimeographed pop quiz. Gad, it's a wonder I have any brain cells left.

Anybody know why the ink was always purple? Was that by design or some accident of the chemistry? All I seem to remember was that twack-tywack sound as the mimeo machine rotated, and the smell of hallucinogenic and volatile fumes emananating from the teacher's lounge. They had all the good stuff in there: coffee, soda machine, cigarettes, aerosols. All we kids had was a water fountain with a water spout only half an inch tall, so you had to practically French-kiss the damn thing to get any water out of it.

Not that I had a remote clue what French kissing was back then.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | August 23, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twits

Mr. Twit is trollish.

And, Mrs. Twit, well....

http://www.poetry-archive.com/c/the_cambridge_ladies_who_live_in_furnished_souls.html

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

My back-to-school thrill was always a completely new, unmarked scribbler. Such possibility!

Posted by: Yoki | August 23, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

RD, laugh if you must, but when the commemorative anniversary edition of the 64-color Crayola box was issued several years ago I purchased three and have only cracked one open. I'm saving the others for days when I *really* need a nostalgia hit! ;o

Posted by: talitha1 | August 23, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

In the lower grades, we were given boxes of the big crayons. Eight in the box, was it? Just the basic colors one had to have. I recall that in MY box, the blue always had to be first, before the red.

Which year was it that my first-day-of-school picture had me in the chinese red skirt and suspenders with gold chinese characters my mother hand-painted on them? I'm thinking that was first grade. My mom made all my dresses, she was a talented and creative seamstress.

I really let my kids down in the fashion department.

Posted by: slyness | August 23, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Oh, lawsy! Linking us to e.e. again. I've had him memorized since my sophomore year, thanks. (Although I do love his fairy tales.)

Posted by: talitha1 | August 23, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

You can never outgrow the thrill of a new box of 64. When I teach I buy 2 new boxes each year just for myself. The first box is actually a decoy for when people (especially other teachers) want to use them.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 23, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"Scribbler"? Not familiar with that word.

Always got a brand spanking new lunchbox for the first day of school, too. I think the Tom Corbett remains my favorite.

"Maturity" consisted of out-growing the perfectly rectangular, squarish boxes and graduating to the "adult" type with the rounded top that house the thermosTM bottle.

Lunchboxes always started to get a bit funky by March or April.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | August 23, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I'd judge the fruit confits are the most recognized still, but I don't know if I have had any, at least that aren't identical with preserves which Wikipedia, at least, says they are not.

On shortening overly-long YouTube links:
I plug the name of the video right back into the "search" function on the page, and search for it, and when I find the exact same video, (usually but not always easy) click on it. Then the URL is often simplified to its most basic form.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 23, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Hi all! Had a blast at the Ravens/Redskins, but all the walking killed my barely healed sprained ankle, so now I'm using a crutch and sporting my workboots today for ankle support. Doesn't everyone wear steel-toes with khakis and a sweaterset?

I-mom, I'm constantly amazed at the weather I've had rosemary survive through, but something milder always comes along and kills it. I just can't figure that plant out.

Re: Rush: Wow. He clearly didn't read Joel's Gulf spill coverage. Not a shock though. Reality isn't what he deals in. In my more conservative years, I did listen to him periodically, and I thought he was full of it then. I enjoy discussion and debate, and he just shouts everyone down that doesn't worship his counter-reality. His ridiculous rhetoric is actually what made me start to read other opinions, read the paper and watch "Meet the Press" and such. I am not really conservative anymore as a result. Good job, Rushie.

Hats off to Joel for striking a nerve.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | August 23, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Ya know, I just learned something about the hierarchy of banal evil. When drivers-by post things that are ugly and ill-thought-out, well, not personal. So, just irritating really.

However, when a lurker/poster takes the time to scout out little bits that connect or intersect with threads of conversation, expressions of personal code, or strands of interest: well, chilly, that. And, however cold is that breeze through here, why imagine the utter dank chill of the space the dark and mean impulse arises. Wow. What a personal hell, for you Tao/Shiloh. Now that I know this, I will turn mothlike toward lit things, among the many candles her set out for care and hope in boodle land.

Talitha-I need some new crayons. Thanks for the reminder. Mudge -- I ran the Gestetner machine in the office many a time. Since the nuns were Franco from Quebec by way of Regina, Sask., well, I loved the insouciance of those comments and gossips.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | August 23, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Notebook

Posted by: Yoki | August 23, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

And, Jumper, I join you in the Twitwit group. Let's nit and knit and pitty patty about on our little pins and etc. We will eat fine, I know.

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | August 23, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

TBG, you and I need to link up and hit the road. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/20/AR2010082003625.html?hpid=features1&hpv=national

Those really, really big oversize crayons were an insult to the manual dexterity of us kids. If you needed a crayon THAT big, well, you just really ought to be using poster paint and a big brush. (Why did poster paint only come in colors that existed nowehre else in nature? And why did it always crack?)

Why did I love manilla paper so much? And loathe lined tablet paper? Why was my heart filled with joy when we got to 7th grade and discovered UNLINED tablet paper? (Yes, yes, we wrote downhill. So what? We were free of the tryanny of those *&^%$#^%$ lines.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | August 23, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Yep, that's me. Beer for breakfast, sardines in my beard, and I get very quiet when plotting my next evil trick.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 23, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

And to the boodle, I am writing for you so you know the drill-pill of ill that Tao/Shiloh sets occasionally. For you, T/S, not so much since the words are not likely to get past the carapace of what ever that encasement is.

---
Yoki -- did you have stitched composition notebooks with marbled covers? Or, the spiral note books?

Did anybody else have PeeCee folders with the athletic duded on the front and back?

Posted by: CollegequaParkian | August 23, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"The creatures outside looked from twit to troll, and from troll to twit, and from twit to troll again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

Posted by: yellojkt | August 23, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Just a splash-by: have been dealing with flooded basements, etc. for weeks. And now I'm hiding under my desk because I ran into the Rush rant during backboodling...
Had a dream once (don't worry, this will be brief) where I heard someone say, "The quality of good in the world outweighs the quantity of evil." I sure hope that's true.

Posted by: balancingact | August 23, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

A sharpener, RD? Why, in my day we had to sharpen them ourselves. ;)

A new box of crayons, new pencils and pens. I still like to go to check out all the school supplies in the fall. Even though my need for them is long gone, the want is still there.

Posted by: --dr-- | August 23, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Any of a large number of mainly night-flying insects closely related to butterflies. Their wings are covered with microscopic scales. Most moths have a long sucking mouthpart (proboscis) for feeding on the nectar of flowers, but some have no functional mouthparts and rely instead upon stores of fat and other reserves built up during the caterpillar stage.
http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/moth

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Well, tao, I did appreciate the teme article. Although I find the concept shaky, it may yet solidify into something. I have not yet thought through the claim that memes only operate through humans and smart apes; I suspect dogs and other mammals transmit them. One form of machine meme I have noted is the internet's ability to transmit wrong song lyrics virtually everywhere. Soon they replace the actual lyric. Jumping Jack Flash.

Speaking of memes, I like numbskullduggery, which frosti offered. It's on the level of "doublethink tank" in my book.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 23, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

One of the themes of "Fluke" by Chistopher Moore was genes versus memes. Memes will win. Genes are too slow.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 23, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I was never fond of those stitched, marbled, hard-bound composition books, CqP, and also disliked those blue-covered books they gave you for essay tests and such. Blech.

Now, was basically indifferent to 2-ring or 3-ring binders, but kind of disliked them in general because of the occasional pinch when one of them closed on you by surprise. I mean, kids were walking around with second-degree 3-ring-binder wounds. What I liked best of all were those report covers, the heavy papery kind with the little tabs you bent over. Those came in some really great colors.

Two other back-to-school phenomena:

1) Textbook covers. Required after the first day you were issued your 19-pound textbook. Poor kids or kids with "thrifty" moms (which we skirted from time to time) used brown butchers' paper or cut-up brown bags from the supermarket. In my era and location, the most-prized covers were from colleges. I think I once had a Dartmouth cover that I just thought was the coolest thing on wheels.

None ever survived through the Christmas holidays, IIRC. Never made it through a whole year with the same cover.

2) August meant back-to-school-shopping day(s), usually two or three of them, miserable experiences buying two or three pairs of pants (which always had to be shortened); a couple new shirts, new shoes, sneakes for gym class, plus a full gym outfit (including the ever-required jock strap, which is an entire lore unto itself). Then the gym bag.

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, there was was an epochal time in America when you weren't allowed to wear jeans to school. Nor T-shirts (except under a regular shirt, of course, as long as it was white and carried no messaging, whether sexual, musical or political). Also, no sneaks, except for gym. Had to wear show-shoes in class.

I shall not discuss the passing era when boys wore shoes with buckles. I am still too traumatized to deal with it. Call it post-traumatic-Buster-Brown syndrome.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | August 23, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

tee hee, new crayons.

When I was rehabbing my hand after a car accident played havoc with my tendons, I went out and bought a 64 pack of crayons and a few coloring books to work on fine motor control. Buying the crayons put a giant smile on my face. My sister and I sat in a restaurant, ordered a couple of flights of martinis and colored for an hour or so.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | August 23, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Mudge-we are in complete agreement about those fat crayons. Thankfully, as a child I never even knew they existed. Poor frostson was horrified to find them in his kindergarten classroom. He resents them, and that teacher, to this day.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 23, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

SCC: "show-shoes" should be shoe-shoes, meaning semi-formal leather shoes, tied or buckled or slip-on. There was also a very brief "boot" period, though not work boot or cowboy boot kind. These were dressy Carnaby Streety boots. Lasted maybe 2, 3 years? Junior year, boy's button-down shirts with the fruit loop in the back appeared. You know what happened to the fruit loops, of course. They had less life expectancy than a Vietnam point man in the Ia Drang Valley.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | August 23, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

'Mudge, my mother taught us to break those stupid fat crayons in half and use the sides of them for rubbings (paper held over a textured surface) for interesting backgrounds and shadings "outside the lines". Nice to have a finearts-trained momhead.

And, if I'm not mistaken, poster paints from a couple of centuries ago (your and my era) were pigment suspended in an egg tempura base. The crackling in the surface is the same as you'll see in old painted furniture which was sometimes underwashed in a pigmented egg tempura over gesso and then overglazed with lac varnish.

Sure am glad I smelled that pencilbox of olde and mentioned it here. Reading your memories is sweet!

Posted by: talitha1 | August 23, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

It may come down to survival of the fittest lyric, Jumper. Note the use of whine for wine in this oldie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtYnCmw2CWE

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Everyone's memories, not just 'mudge's. :o)

Posted by: talitha1 | August 23, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Mudge,

We always covered our schoolbooks grocery bag paper. Today's plastic bags just don't cut it.

I fully agree with your 2:03. I remember those boots and I'll add Hush Puppies to the list. (I can always deny wearing them at a later date, can't I? Thanks.)

Posted by: -pj- | August 23, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

My high school in Florida had a ban on shorts. No such rule at my son's school. Of course, shorts were much shorter in my day.

And I use composition books at work to remain marginally organized. I have one for each project as opposed to one for each subject.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 23, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I too find the muezzins hauntingly beautiful. A feeling which led me also to Nusrat. Why do the good die too soon?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo0EqAWHGdg

(scrabble aficionados like "muezzin" too. If they ever get that chance they will dance.)

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 23, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

MotheMountain -- good thing I wasn't drinking tea at the time, or I'd have to mop up the monitor! Martinis and coloring! Very, very well done, my dear.

frosti -- ever since I saw South Pacific last week on our local PBS, I have been hearing Paolo Szot's voice in my head. In fact, the most persistent tune cootie is "This Nearly Was Mine". I would just love to see it all over again. I must say, also, that Kelli O'Hara was probably the best Nellie Forbush I've ever seen, too. What a show! To see it live and in person must have been spectacular.

The other tune cootie -- and remarkably on-kit -- is "You've Got To Be Carefully Taught".

Thank goodness for Rodgers & Hammerstein, I tell ya!

Posted by: ftb3 | August 23, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Book Sox:

http://www.booksox.com/webstore/productgroup.aspx?grphead=BOOKSOX

Today's generation is so soft.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 23, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, I appreciated the teme article mysel and am still mulling the conjectures. One element missing for me was the creative spark that isn't predictable or easily defined in such a structured theory. Hmmmmm . . .

Posted by: talitha1 | August 23, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Teen angst as covered by some grown up nerds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw8ZDwdyHJQ

Posted by: russianthistle | August 23, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

*SIGH*

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38814121/ns/world_news-europe/?GT1=43001

Posted by: talitha1 | August 23, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

ftb, "You've Got To Be Carefully Taught" is a very good and on-kit song, I agree, but unfortunately, I don't think it's actually true. It's my impression that as social animals, we're predisposed to categorizing into us and them, and the part that is taught/learned is just the specifics of who are the us and who are the them. And trying to teach that we're all us, well, that is the good and great and difficult work.

Posted by: -bia- | August 23, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Laso back in the day, when you were issued a textbook, they had a special stamp they put in the front which was a list of who's book it was every year. So if you got a book that was four or five years old, there'd already be the names of four or five of your predecessors there. Of course, this was back in the day when knowledge was relatively stable and there were nine planets and 48 states (well, 50 states for most of you guys). In those days a textbook was expected to last a decade, content-wise, anyway. Wear-and-tear was a wholly different issue.

And you knew who the truly nerdy kids were: the ones who went home and read the first chapter that night-of-issue, without being assigned.

I believe that the very first time in my life I ever applied a yellow highlighter to a book was a truly traumatic experience for me. I'm OK with it by now for paperbacks, but the notion of writing inside a hardback book is still right up there with Original Sin and kissing your sister. (An author autographing being the sole exception. Or soul excdeption, for that matter.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | August 23, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Does this meme make my brain look big?

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 23, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, you've always looked great in that meme. And it's your color, too. Very slimming.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | August 23, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Oh certainly. I could never highlight a book. Even my college engineering books (all of which I still have and often reference) are still pristine. I used to flip through each used volume before I bought to get a non-highlighted copy. I just can't bring myself to write in them.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | August 23, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

We had book covers provided by the Armed Forces recruiting offices. Usually, we put the plain white side facing out.

CP, I remember the Pee Chee athletic folders!

I was also in school when Trapper Keepers came out.

Posted by: Moose13 | August 23, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

http://www.altpenis.com/penis_news/20051101000157data_trunc_sys.shtml

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. My work filter flags tao's link as 'Forbidden Topic: Sex Education'. I had no idea the FRC had such influence.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 23, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I seem to remember that some kids used the comics as bookcovers, but I know our school/PTA used to provide covers. They prominently featured the local funeral home's ad front and center every year. I'm not sure what message they were trying to convey or what audience they thought they were reaching.

Trapper Keepers! Mom was never cool enough to let me get one.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | August 23, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"In this position paper we have taken a step-wise look at
developing a perfect creative evolutionary design tool."

http://www.cs.usyd.edu.au/~josiah/gecco_workshop_bentley.pdf

Step 6 is particularly instructive.

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRC

Which FRC yello?

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

MotM, that reminds me of the cardboard fans with the tongue-depressor stick handles that were in the back-of-the-pew slots in church when I was little. They were always provided by the funeral home . . . I suppose in collusion with the lord and the devil to remind us of our inevitable fate and that we needed to make a choice. ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | August 23, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

New sports motto: There is no "I" in teme.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | August 23, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

This place is just temeing with memes, it seems...

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 23, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

tao,
The one most likely to oppose (non-abstinence) sex education. Hint: Not the Finnish Red Cross or the FIRST Robotics Competition.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 23, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Of course, then there were the kids who had the 128 packs. Shameless show-offs.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 23, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Oops I meant 120. Although that's not a power of two, which, you know, is just wrong.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 23, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

RD,
You could always duct tape two 64-packs together. But then you would be blocking both sharpeners.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 23, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

hi, tao.

Posted by: -jack- | August 23, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The temeing scremeing mememies, maybe. Not to be confused with Screaming Yellow Zonkers.

Posted by: -pj- | August 23, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the hints yello. You eliminated my first choice (Finnish Red Cross) so I'll have to go with my second choice.

Posted by: -tao- | August 23, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Never, never use the sharpeners! They eat your crayons, kiddies. To get a point just hold the crayon at an angle to the paper and rub, rolling gently until the point is re-established. This is perfect for shading and filling in large areas.

If you need a finer point get a 48+ set of Prismacolor (or other good quality) colored pencils. You'll never regret it.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 23, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

new kit!

Posted by: MoftheMountain | August 23, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Artists function in a curious mode: they are the chickens in the circular pecking order that get to be superior to the highest, yet are picked on by all the others.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 23, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Unless, of course, you have creative or otherwise nefarious uses for those crayon shavings. I shudder to think.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 23, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The NY Times has a report on New Orleans' new flood protection system, due for completion a year from now. It seems a bit muddled, speaking of 100-year and 500-year protection. To the best of my knowledge, low areas of Tokyo, Amsterdam, Shanghai have 1,000-year protection. Hundred-year protection seems unsuited for areas inhabited by humans. Maybe not even adequate for cattle, which after all are expensive.

I have a sick-in-the-stomach feeling.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 23, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how many times I need to repeat the message before it sinks into the thick skulls of Achenbach (and his Quisling toadies here)-- but my patience is spent with these lying, slandering idiotarians.

This has NOTHING to do with intolerance of mosques and everything to do with the apartheid Islamo-supremacism of Cordoba House, in particular. Somehow, I think Achenbach (and his Quisling toadies) wouldn't support neo-pagans' "right" to erect eternal Crann Tara monuments next to MLK memorials.

But when patriotic Americans object to stealth jihadists-- and (yes) that accurately describes the Cordoba House cabal-- opening a 9/11 snuff porn vendor emporium (and jihadi recruitment center) on the hallowed graves of Ground Zero-- the Quisling hypocrits shriek with indignation!

American Muslims may be the very soul of moderation. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable for Americans to ask for more from (allegedly) “peaceful” Cordoba House jihadists than insincere bromides and disingenuous whitewashing of uncomfortable elements of Islamic sharia law, as practiced by the Cordoba House cabal and their financial sponsors.

A genuine tiny minority of anti-jihadist Muslims may be found @
http://secularislam.org/blog/post/SI_Blog/21/The-St-Petersburg-Declaration

Americans remain breathless in anticipation of the sharia law vendors of Cordoba House supporting this genuinely tiny minority of their co-religionists-- but don’t hold your breath.

When will Quislings support Secular Islam advocates' right to live free from the sharia law intimidation of Cordoba House Islamo-supremacists?

Be advised these sharia-fascists have their eyes on your throats, too.

"Ye blind guides, that strain out the gnat, and swallow the camel!"
[Matthew 23:24]

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 25, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Shame on Mayor Bloomberg (and his toady apologists) for slandering 9/11 widows and orphans who oppose Cordoba House as "un-American."

"Thou hast seen it; for thou beholdest mischief and spite, to requite it with thy hand: the poor committeth himself unto thee; thou art the helper of the fatherless."

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 25, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

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