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The Jet Blue flight attendant -- and pulling a Slater

I think we all want to pull a Slater now and then. We want to activate the escape slide. Maybe at work, maybe at home. We want to shout "It's been great!" and grab a beer and slater on out of there.

Flight attendant Steven Slater got arrested, of course, because you're not supposed to deploy the emergency slide on a plane except in an emergency. But you can just picture what might have happened (and the Times story goes into some detail): Some passenger for whom the rules don't apply, who perceives himself as more important than everyone else, leaps out of his seat before the plane has reached the gate. Slater tells him to sit back down. The passenger refuses and yanks his oversized bag out of the overhead compartment and bonks Slater on the head. Slater, temporarily deranged, uses the public address system to point out that this man is a total and complete arsehat of the first order. Slater at that point surely realizes he has future in the airline industry. What's he going to do? Emergency slide!

But what makes him an instant legend, of course, is the beer. He grabs the beer on the way out. That's the "Animal House" meets "Airplane!" note. No wonder he's an instant Internet icon. His name will become a verb, just watch.

It would be a mistake to tease too broad a sociological message from this incident. But let's do it anyway! We live in an enfeebled economy. The recovery is a dud. There is talk of a double dip. The capitalists hoard their cash, distrusting the president and the regulatory class. The government points out that the capitalists, when left entirely to their own devices, pretty much immolated the economy. Corporate profits are up and the stock market has done okay but the average worker -- your basic flight attendant, someone officially middle class or upper middle class and professional and trying to do all the right things to get by in society -- is in an economic holding pattern, with no wage growth, and feeling the squeeze at the margins as health-care premiums keep rising.

And did we mention that your pension plan is getting axed?

And that you have to work longer hours now because otherwise we're shipping your job to India?

Companies that once fought to be recognized as great places to work, with excellent benefits and a culture that valued the person, increasingly are owned by conglomerates that care only about the bottom line.

No young person grows up today thinking, "I want to get a job with a large company and work there for 30 or 40 years until I'm able to retire with a good pension."

We don't know much about Steve Slater. All we know is that, with a flourish, he declared that he'd rather be unemployed than continue for one more second in that crappy job.

What do you think: A spoiled brat who abandoned his job? Or a hero for our times?

By Joel Achenbach  |  August 10, 2010; 8:15 AM ET
 
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Slater turned a nightmare into living a dream! A father he cared for with ALS, an ailing mother he cares for with end of life issues they both confront together and a jerk on an airplane whose big picture is myopic, self important and very very small.

The bonk on the head was all the momentum needed to carry out what attendants have joked about for years for stylish departures at the end of their careers.

A folk hero for sure. What brand of beer did he take? I'll order the same and drink to his departure.

Posted by: vtcxc | August 10, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Steve Slater is a great American hero, in the traditions of Horatio Alger, Huck Finn, Robert Frost's good fences, and Edgar Allen Poe's Ligeia. He should be put on a slate for the midterm elections, or possibly slated for Antonin Scalia's seat on the Supreme Court, when he abandons it for leadership of 'Ndrangata at the end of this year.

Posted by: MickNamVet | August 10, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Everyone's got their breaking point, and quite honestly I've wanted more than a couple flight attendants to pull a Slater on a few idiot passengers.

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I think hero might be a stretch but the article did make me smile, it I hadn't read the part about him having "substance abuse issues" in the past then grabbing the beer on the way out would have been even funnier.

Was it wrong yes, could I convict him - not a chance.

Posted by: dmd3 | August 10, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

And yes, Front Page Alert.

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Front page commentators add interest for a change.

Posted by: -tao- | August 10, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Wacko Gay flight attendant, I say! He should get prison time!

Posted by: jjcrocket14 | August 10, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

There was a man in first class on the last flight I was on who took forever to get his bag into the overhead, backing up the entire line of people trying to board. Did I want to go off on him - OMG yes! So I understand Slater's actions. I don't condone them, and the part about the beer bothers me if he indeed has substance abuse issues, but I'm with dmd, I'd never convict him of anything. Sometimes it's just worth it to 'go nuts'.

Posted by: badsneakers | August 10, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I got one song title for this:

"Take This Job And Shove It."

Posted by: bs2004 | August 10, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Spoke too soon tao!

Posted by: dmd3 | August 10, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps Mr. Slater has been reading a book of Sarah Palin's tips on how to manage a career for personal and professional success. Remember, folks, only dead fish go with the flow, and sliding downhill to walk out the jet-way with your paycheck and your clean rap-sheet is for losers .

Posted by: ScienceTim | August 10, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I have witnessed people who think they are more important than others on flights. Flight attendants have a hard job, and we make it harder. This goes for so many others in our society that have jobs that come in contact with the public. It comes down to respect for each other.

Posted by: paulmar | August 10, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Even wacko commentators add interest.

Posted by: -tao- | August 10, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

My hero. Some passengers are idiots.

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | August 10, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Give the guy a medal! I predict he will becom an instant hero to airline passengers who follow the rules. And nothing wrong with grabbing a beer on the way out as one comment noted.

Posted by: geosinner101 | August 10, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Of course, an alternative method would have been to call airport security to come arrest the passenger for assault and battery. The charge wouldn't stick, of course, but it would have been sufficient to severely inconvenience him and to make him an object lesson for the behavior of other passengers. Mr. Slater could have gone on the PA to ask everyone to please wait in their seats once they got to the gate, as the passenger in seat whatever-it-was is an extremely important person who needs to make an appointment. The flight attendants could then all bracket the fellow to ensure that he is singled out from among all the passengers and escort him off the plane to the waiting airport police, who would be visibly cuffing him as the rest of the passengers filed past.

Now, THAT would be some pretty sweet revenge.

Posted by: ScienceTim | August 10, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Tao!! *Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Considering the aplomb with which he made his escape, I'll bet he's been fantasizing about it for a while and found his tipping point. Very stylish. Unforseen repercussions always seem to follow such actions however.

Posted by: auntiemare | August 10, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

We can all relate to this, of course. However, most of us with kids/family don't have the "luxury" of just quitting when we're having a bad day.
And,Slater will probably be sorry a week from now when he tries to find another job.
So, on top of his ailing mother and other problems, he's just created More Problems
for Himself.
I don't think he's a hero at all; I think
he just made life even harder for himself....

Posted by: ohioan | August 10, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Steven Slater wins the Lorena Bobbit Award For Acts Some People Would Love To Do But Just Don't Dare. And I'm very glad people don't.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 10, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Isn't failing to obey a flight attendant a crime? Where's the passenger? Shouldn't we know his name and make it a verb too?

Like a whole lot of people, flight attendants have a tough job. But dealing with the public adds a level of misery all it's own. A lot of people, when they think no one they know is watching, act like buttheads.

Since his career with the airline industry is over, I hope Slater lands a reality show gig and brings an end to others' 15 minutes of fame. I think we're about done with Bristol and Levy anyway.

Posted by: LostInThought | August 10, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Hero, brat? Probably a little of both, but he made me smile this morning! :)

Posted by: talleyl | August 10, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Hero, brat? Probably a little of both, but he made me smile this morning! :)

Posted by: talleyl | August 10, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

not to be a wet blanket, but slater's myspace profile said he was "beating alcoholism and substance abuse 'one day at a time,'" which should prompt concern -- or at least make us think twice before celebrating -- that he grabbed beer on the way out.

Posted by: 02cents | August 10, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Flight attendants have to do their jobs under time pressure, and their job description includes potential duty as paramedics, firefighters, and cops. I'd like to see a security officer on every flight--someone who could back up a flight attendant's instructions with muscle and the authority to hold a passenger at the arrival gate until the airport cops could pick him up. I'm rooting for Slater to find a job with the flight attendants' union.

Posted by: paxcanfield | August 10, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Hero

Posted by: snowbucks | August 10, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

My father spent ten years in the airline industry after he retired from the Air Force. He worked at an airline with notoriously bad labor relations. One possibly apocryphal story is that a flight attendant while touring Auschwitz anonymously mailed Carl Icahn a post card saying "Wish you were here."

Posted by: yellojkt | August 10, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't have used the slide, but I don't blame Slater for his reaction. That passenger was a real jerk. If he can't follow the rules like everyone else, then he shouldn't be allowed on JetBlue again.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | August 10, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

We know the flight attendant's name - I demand the airline release the name of the passenger! She sounds like a real you know what, and I think she deserves to be humiliated by having her name dragged through the mud for a week or two.

Posted by: jg771 | August 10, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Too bad this had to happen.

We've all been on a flight with at least one world-class asshat. (Too bad the carry-on bag didn't boink the asshat's head.)

Anyhow, the one thing that struck me about your article, Joel, is your telling how corporations are now ditching pensions and throwing their retirees on the Government.

Too bad.

Posted by: bmschumacher | August 10, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

We can all relate to this, of course. However, most of us with kids/family don't have the "luxury" of just quitting when we're having a bad day.
And,Slater will probably be sorry a week from now when he tries to find another job.
So, on top of his ailing mother and other problems, he's just created More Problems
for Himself.
I don't think he's a hero at all; I think
he just made life even harder for himself....
-----------------------------------------

This attitude is the problem with the world today. People need to make their world! Live! A comment like that is just so depressing as if there is no control and one cant change or take risks. Naturally it's harder with children, but certainly not impossible! Anyhow, grats to Slater, I'm sure he'll be happier in the end.

Posted by: kanebrandon | August 10, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

An interesting part of the air travel industry that is only indirectly hinted at in the NYT article is that many pilots and flight attendants live in cities very remote from their duty assignment.

In the case of the New York area, they will rent either a bed, room, or house in the Queens area as a 'crash-pad' for when they have to arrive a day or so early or get in too late to catch the last flight 'home'. The crash-pad also provides lodging when they are assigned standby duty and have to within a certain time radius of the airport.

Sometimes up to ten or twelve people will split a four bedroom house since the odds of more than a few people being in residence at any given time are low.

In the NYT article it quotes his neighbors as saying he was quiet and rarely there. Since his sick mother loved in LA, he was probably only staying in NY a few nights a month.

That is your insidery know-it-ally info-dump from me on this topic.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 10, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

In the end? In the end, we are all dead.

Posted by: ScienceTim | August 10, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

flt steward jobs are plums; plenty of applicants.
once hired, they cling to the job and take out anger on passengers.
giving them 'muscle' would be horrible.

Posted by: mloaks | August 10, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

mloaks, I have yet to meet a flight attendant who takes out anger on me or other passengers. You might consider whether it's just you, man. Were you recently on a jetBlue flight?

Posted by: ScienceTim | August 10, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Obviously the flight attendant snapped but I want that passenger banned. I don't want him on any plane I fly on. It could have been my head if I had inconvenienced him. Selfishly breaking the rules and then cursing the flight attendant for trying to enforce them - what a total and complete self-important jerk.

Posted by: withersb | August 10, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Obviously the flight attendant snapped but I want that passenger banned. I don't want him on any plane I fly on. It could have been my head if I had inconvenienced him. Selfishly breaking the rules and then cursing the flight attendant for trying to enforce them - what a total and complete self-important jerk.

Posted by: withersb | August 10, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Obviously the flight attendant snapped but I want that passenger banned. I don't want him on any plane I fly on. It could have been my head if I had inconvenienced him. Selfishly breaking the rules and then cursing the flight attendant for trying to enforce them - what a total and complete self-important jerk.

Posted by: withersb | August 10, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I certainly hope the passenger was arrested, too.

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | August 10, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

However fabulous a stunt it may seem, the last thing we need on airplanes is a uniformed drama queen endangering everybody. (Even if it's a uniform he redesigned.)

Regardless, we can all agree that the passenger needs to be publicly named and shamed. Probably a politician anyway. (Maybe on his way to the Fire Island ferry with his senior citizen ID in hand.)

With a disastrously incompetent regime presiding over an economy circling the drain, we're all under incredible strain. Let's try to keep it together.

Posted by: thebump | August 10, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Slater was simply channeling Jeff Altman: "We're landing! We're landing!"

Posted by: Rob_ | August 10, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

The best line in the article I read about this was: "Police sources said that when authorities found Slater he seemed to be in the midst having sexual relations."

Posted by: -TBG- | August 10, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The man had a head injury and flipped out - why isn't any one more concerned about his health than arresting him?

Posted by: webfool | August 10, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

The man had a head injury and flipped out - why isn't any one more concerned about his health than arresting him?

Posted by: webfool | August 10, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Which article, TBG? I must have missed that line in the NYT and WaPo coverage...

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

thebumb,

I'm detecting a little latent homophobia in your post. I'm not real good at finding subtext, but with words like 'queen' and 'ferry', the post could be considered to violating our unwritten terms of conduct here.

And I'm glad you found a way to blame it on Obama as well. That makes it easier to dismiss the rest of your remarks as well.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 10, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I doubt that Slater could afford to lose the job, so he should be dinged for failure to think about consequences.

Being a flight attendant seems a bit like being a beach lifeguard. Considerable responsibility, not much pay.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 10, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I want a Steven Slater tee shirt!

Posted by: oligar0601 | August 10, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Somehow I don't see engaging the emergency slide and disappearing as heroic. The passenger was probably a louse- there seem to be more and more of them- either those who just don't care for anyone but themselves, and those who have this holier-than-thou thing going on and need to foist their behaviour and opinions anyone and everyone. So, the person who is tacitly responsible for the safety of the passengers, abandons his reason and his post- maybe from the conk on the head- but was he treated for a doctor? If a nurse gets one grouchy patient too many, should she just pull out their IV's and leave in a huff? If a bus driver has had it with one mouthy passenger too many, does he dump all the passengers along a highway and drive off? If I were him I would be mad- mad as a wet hen. But he reduced himself to a level less than the horrible passenger and then he ran away. Not heroism, needing psychoanalysis.

Posted by: poppysue85 | August 10, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Drama queen... With the emphasis on the word "queen"...

Posted by: demtse | August 10, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

They should name an award after him. Seriosly.

Posted by: glynnjp1 | August 10, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Take a flight from Mexico to the US. Good luck in keeping the passengers in their seats while taxing in.

Posted by: bh72 | August 10, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Here's your Steve Slater tee shirt:

http://www.customink.com/designs/freesteven/ghs0-000f-b1wf/social?cm_cat=facebook&cm_ite=freesteven&cm_pla=share&cm_ven=social

You gotta be pretty nimble to make it in the online novelty tee shirt business.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 10, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Scotty.... a friend had posted this on FB...

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Airline-Steward-at-JFK-Pulls-Emergency-Chute-Flies-Coop-100286494.html

Posted by: -TBG- | August 10, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Steve Slater's emoticon, called an "eyemouttahere":

<#=======\\==<

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | August 10, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Clearly off his meds.

I grew up being told two wrongs don't make a right. Do we still believe that? I can't believe this guy is being held up as some kind of hero. Now he'll make thousands off instant-fame and end up on a reality TV show. I love my country but our culture is in the gutter.

If this guy were a professional, he would have had the passenger arrested when the plane arrived for refusing to obey an instruction from a flight attendant. I've seen it happen - it works. Instead he endangers people's safety and causes a huge headache for airport law enforcement that should be focused on much greater dangers.

We all have to deal with obnoxious people. Deal with it. What a selfish self-centered act.

Posted by: jay4811 | August 10, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Here's the/a news article discussing the intimate circumstances of Slater's arrest.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Airline-Steward-at-JFK-Pulls-Emergency-Chute-Flies-Coop-100286494.html

As well as a slightly less (but not totally) bowlderized version of his rant.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 10, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

The latent homophobia is becoming less latent all the time. I have not personally seen any reportage suggesting Mr. Slater is gay. You know why? Because it is 100% irrelevant to the situation at hand. The focus of several posters on their presumption that Mr. Slater is gay says a lot about the posters and the cogency of their thinking, but says nothing about Mr. Slater. Given that these people are not terribly cogent, I suppose I should spell it out: it says a lot of *bad* things about those posters. I wouldn't want you to misunderstand me.

Been a while since I used the word "cogency" or "cogent" in the A-blog! Nevertheless -- cogency is my beat.

Posted by: ScienceTim | August 10, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Steve Slater snapped. We've all been there, but our responses were not as dramatic.

Give us the name of the passenger. He is the one who should be arrested.

All of the airlines need to stop allowing unruly passengers to get away with their behavior.

Posted by: Whazzis | August 10, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

If you're gonna go, go BIG. Steven Slater, you've become an icon- you lived the dream of so many worker drones who fantasize about leaving their stressful workplaces with a flourish. My only complaint is that he's set the bar too high with this grandiose, magnificent act... I mean, how can you possibly top that for an exit?

Well done sir, well done indeed. JetBlue will likely not approve, but you've got just the kind of spirit Southwest seems to encourage- and I would be delighted to fly on any flight you worked on.

Posted by: lritger | August 10, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Ah, that explains it then, TBG. :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

As someone who is trying to care for a mother with cancer while manage a home life 1,000 miles apart?

Yeah, I had to take a leave of absence from my work because I was at a snapping point...every, single day. I'm lucky enough I can do it, but not everyone is.

Little petty selfish !@#$%^&* performed by petty selfish people will send you off when you get to watch your loved ones die in pieces before your eyes. No matter how patient you are otherwise.

Mr. Slater - I feel for you, and sometimes wish I had an emergency slide and beer on hand to deal with my crappier days.

Posted by: Chasmosaur1 | August 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Hey, y'all. Life has been too crazy to post anything more cogent than "I'm still here" to my beloved boodlefolk. ;)

Interesting visitors today. You tell 'um SciTim!

Posted by: talitha1 | August 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand the nbcnewyork.com/news article. It says he was arrested at home but video clearly shows him in cuffs being led from the terminal. and who is the other guys in cuffs ahead of him coming out of the terminal?
The article also says the bad passenger was a woman. So HER name should be released.

Posted by: bh72 | August 10, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

lol @ the Slater emoticon.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | August 10, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I say hero. I don't understand why he is arrested. I know it is against the rules to deploy the chute in a non-emergency, but, is it a crime?
He called the passenger a name that 90% of the other passengers were calling him. Majority rules!
I hope that he finds a good job, one that he truly wants and can provide him with some respect and dignity.
Free Slater.

Posted by: leslieswearingen | August 10, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I guess he was in too big of a hurry to let the air out of the plane's tires.

Posted by: usblues1 | August 10, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Mudge!

Posted by: ftb3 | August 10, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

name one hero that followed the rules?

Posted by: perryrants | August 10, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Dustin Hoffman can play Steve in the film.

Posted by: pcstorandt | August 10, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Saw the Slater story last night and thought to myself, "That's a hell of an exit."

The guy knows dramatic show business exits, for sure. Leave 'em talking, they'll remember you.

As much as I can appreciate Slater's desire for a post-show celebration. I won't give him style points for that, if true.

It's none of my flippin' business.

Who hasn't fantasized about making a grand dramatic gesture when exiting a difficult or oppressive situation regarless of the consequences? This gentleman gave into that impulse (planned or not), and I have no real idea if I would consider it justified or not.

Joel said "arsehat."

Hi Mudge.
bc

[Please note that I made no references to celebrations involving 'spiking the ball' or anything building on that phrase involving end zones. That sort of thing would be tasteless. And immaterial. Really.]

Posted by: -bc- | August 10, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Mudge!!! :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

DEFINITELY a hero.

Now, give us the name of the first-class *ss with no matters, and let US take care of him...

Posted by: Orsalia | August 10, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Slater is more than a hero, he is an icon of sorts and will be remembered for years as the guy who couldn't take it anymore and opened a window to yell it (like Howard in Network, the movie.)

For all those stupid, selfish and proudly ignorant people who are disrespectful and selfish (can you say Tea Baggers?), he is not on your side. We live in a complicated society that depends on our being tolerant of others and our differences, but not rude, defiant, and outrageous.

Why aren't they charging the passenger who disobeyed the flight rules and the direct order of the flight attendant rather than Slater? It is like a school room where a bad kid gets the teacher riled up and they criticze and reprimand the teacher rather than the cause of the commotion, the defiant and disrespectful miscreant? Besides, the bad passenger physically assaulted Slater, who should sue him for that and for endangering the safety of the other passengers.

As for the comments about him being gay or a New Yorker or former user of recreational substances, that is off the point. Slater should be commended and rewarded for attempting to enforce the safety rules, laws and civil order rather than being arrested for being a good employee trying to carry out his responsibilities in a very bad job. Slater is a hero and role model!

Posted by: enough3 | August 10, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is talking about how he's a hero and they understand what he did, but little mention of how to help him. If he's going to spend the night at Riker's Island if he doesn't make bail, I hope there's a legal defense fund set up for him. Funded, perhaps, by the people who stand to make money off of the Free Steven Slater t-shirts!

Posted by: ramgut | August 10, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Usblues, v funny :)

mudge, were the slashes for the beer?

Posted by: -dbG- | August 10, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

still ROFLMAO!!!

Posted by: nall92 | August 10, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

As with all great figures of history and literature, his actions were sufficiently complex to make him both hero and villain. That said, had I been on the plane I would have cheered wildly.

Posted by: CJMiva | August 10, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"What do you think: A spoiled brat who abandoned his job? Or a hero for our times?"

Neither. He's a dangerous, unbalanced jerk who luckily flipped out while the plane was on the ground. He had problems and he surely could have sought help through the company.

Hey Slater, if you don't enjoy your current job then seek a different position.

How long until the union, on his behalf, files some ridiculous PTSD claim?

Posted by: spamsux1 | August 10, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Give him back his job. Obviously the bonk on the head caused "temporary insanity." Plus this is clearly a "workplace illness" requiring treatment and workers' comp. A doctor and a lawyer should fix this injustice in no time.

Posted by: bobskis | August 10, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Hero! Release the name, with photo, of the passenger!

Posted by: BenLaGuer | August 10, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse


"However fabulous a stunt it may seem, the last thing we need on airplanes is a uniformed drama queen endangering everybody. (Even if it's a uniform he redesigned.)

Regardless, we can all agree that the passenger needs to be publicly named and shamed. Probably a politician anyway. (Maybe on his way to the Fire Island ferry with his senior citizen ID in hand.)

With a disastrously incompetent regime presiding over an economy circling the drain, we're all under incredible strain. Let's try to keep it together.

Posted by: thebump | August 10, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse "

I think we've found the A-hole passenger the very important "Mr. thebump" a very insecure homophobic male, but very important,with a very strong attraction to Mr.Slater. Probably a Wall Street Red-Neck Banker.

Posted by: frluke | August 10, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Hi Mudge! Loved the emoticon.

Nothing quite like a dignified exit, is there?

Posted by: slyness | August 10, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Slater blew it. He had the ultimate power on his side: a closed jet door with federal marshalls on the other side. Obviously Mr. Passenger-In-A-Hurry was a drug mule trying to deliver his goods.

Cavity search, anyone?

Posted by: mystic01 | August 10, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, let's have the passenger in question step forward, take some responsibility here. Let's hear what the passenger has to say, in the light of day.

Posted by: lstrauss2 | August 10, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

spamsux 1 at 12:32pm appears to be the type who feels that anyone who stands for decency, rules or respect for others is a government stooge and should be punished, but the catalyst and abuser - that selfish *itch who was flying first class and always buys what she wants and gets what she wants when she wants it, with everybody else to be damned - is not even mentioned. Sure would hate to be her child, husband, employee or bed partner...

As for spamsux 1 anti-union comment, that shows that he is a Tea Bag Party hater, not a thinker. And New Yorkers don't like the mindless, intolerant, narrow minded and ignorant types who always blame unions, when management is the real culprit. Was it the unions on Wall Street that caused the financial crash? Was it the unions that caused Bush to invade Iraq under false pretenses? Was it union worker decisions that caused the shortcuts that ended up in the BP blowout and spill? Gimme a break and go back to Alabama where hate is a way of life.

Posted by: enough3 | August 10, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Let's suppose the shoe was on the other foot: what if a passenger had been the one to throw the hissy. He'd be charged with "obstructing a cabin crew," "terroristic threats," and just about anything else that a judge would want to throw at him. How is he out of jail? Is there a separate set of laws applicable to airline stewards as opposed to passengers? It's pretty clear that this individual failed the "professionalism" and "maturity" tests. If he were to come to me for a job, my answer would be "slide on out of here."

Making him out to be any type of hero is pathetic. But what else do you expect in a society that idolizes a group of orange-tanned morons from New Jersey, or believes that giving someone a rose constitutes commitment?

America's getting sillier than it was prior to 9/11/01. Maybe we need a reality check, hopefully one that doesn't involve the deaths of 3,000 people.

Posted by: srpinpgh | August 10, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

In other, far less humorous aviation news, formern Sen. Ted Stevens and former NASA Administrator O'Keefe may have been involved in a multiple-fatality crash in remote Alaska:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/10/AR2010081001953.html

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Alexandra Petri has a very funny take at PostPartisan:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/08/an_apology_to_jet_blue_flight.html

Very funny emoticon, mudge. Or in Slater's case, perhaps it is an over-emoticon.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 10, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Definitely a hero. Everything he did was stuff he was actually doing and saying to somebody, not sending an epic email or taking a picture. He actually spoke words to people, took his actual beer, and hopped out the escape chute.

Posted by: HardyW | August 10, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

For some reason, this makes me recall a flight to Toronto with my daughter. As we taxied toward the terminal, we were given the usual instructions "to remain seated with seat belts fastened until..." A few seconds later the purser can back over the intercom, saying (very pleasantly) that one of the great features of the new aircraft was that he could monitor who did not have the seat belt done up in which seat, and "right now, 13 of you are explicitly ignoring safety instructions." There was a brief flurry of clicks as those people re-buckled. Many of us laughed.

Posted by: Yoki | August 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Ooooh, great bluff by the purser!! *L*

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I've seen people go off and quit their jobs in a huff, but never in this spectacular fashion. If you're tired of your job, then quit--don't make a scene, because that never ends well. Who would hire this guy for any job now? I sure wouldn't.

Posted by: nuzuw | August 10, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I was also highly amused that the WaPo video blurb from Bloomburg (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2010/08/10/VI2010081001671.html) shows the cartoon passenger exiting via slide from the in-flight safety literature with the addition of two beer bottles held aloft.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | August 10, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Slyness, you definitely really just made me LOL. My day is complete. I'm popping a cork now.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 10, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

So who is the d0u-chebag passenger who instigated the incident?

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | August 10, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

After seeing this on the morning news for some reason the movie Office Space came to mind...

I vote hero.

Posted by: creamit20 | August 10, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Too bad he didnt get away never to be seen again. Sort of a DB Cooper scenario with beer instead of a million bucks. I have to say the story would be better with the passenger going down the slide and the FA walking off the way he came in.

Posted by: stephenbach | August 10, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Was the obnoxious passenger a man or a woman?? In any case, reveal this person's identity.

I applaud the flight stewart.

Posted by: TooManyPeople | August 10, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"Don't Slater me, bro."

Posted by: mjtraxler | August 10, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

A definite, hero! I travel a lot, and nothing bothers me more than the “entitled” passengers! Her butt should’ve been the one getting arrested! I’m gonna have a beer – or two – in Slater’s honor tonight!

Posted by: BasicInstinct | August 10, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Glad to be of service, Jumper!

:-)

Posted by: slyness | August 10, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Hero. Time for workers to be respected by the rich or just arrogant self-centered ones who have never had to do actual work to make a living. And if that's too much to hope for, at least we can laugh about the dramatic escape from dealing with too many anal orfices.

Too late to get the passenger arrested? And make him pay legal fees for Slater's defense?

Posted by: DWinFC | August 10, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Hero!
Wish I were a Company CEO - - -I would hire him in an instant!!!!
Hope he finds a decent job!

Posted by: lufrank1 | August 10, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

He is a working class hero and I will think of him each time I hear that John Lennon tune. Marvel comics should design a costume for him and create a new adult comic book. The "S" on on a hero costume now stands for Slater! Up, up, and away!

Posted by: jrussell1 | August 10, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I've seen this before. It was on a bridge in New York. The cab driver fed up with his job and his unruly passenger threw the keys to the car over the bridge and trekked off. I think he went off to join the Army.

Posted by: davemarks | August 10, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Could someone please tell me what's so tough about being a flight attendant--or as the Replacements said in a song, "You Ain't Nothin' But A Waitress In The Sky?"
Seriouly, it's a great story but aside from dealing with the occasional jerk, there is nothing difficult about passing out bags of peanuts at 30,000 feet.

Posted by: fishguts | August 10, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse


ScienceTim - glad to see that you're taking on the cogency beat. I tried it once, kept coming up short on the relevancy scale.

"He is being charged with 2nd-and 4th-degree criminal mischief, 1st- and 2nd-degree reckless endangerment and criminal trespass in the 3rd degree,"

Criminal mischief - the perfect charge for this kind of incident! It's what your mother accused you of when you were 6, "What kind of mischief are you up to now?"

But what business do the police have disclosing whatever activities he was up to when arrested? Do we need to know? Do we want to know? It's that beer he had, man. Safer to stay away from that stuff.

I'm wondering though if we've heard the full story. JetBlue is the line that kept passengers locked up in the plane for what - 6 hours? on the ground not so long ago. How long did those passengers sit on the ground before take-off? Not that it would excuse anything, but it might help explain it.

Posted by: j3hess | August 10, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Doobie Keebler lives!

Posted by: -TBG- | August 10, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

If a member of the cockpit crew had an emotional overreaction, that will still get a careful investigation, even if the individual is eventually fired. Flight safety specialists do try to understand stress and its effects.

While the situations aren't directly comparable, I have seen nurses start to lose it -- and another nurse takes over while the original person is calmed down. There are lots of breaking points in medicine -- mine was panic flight when I went to draw blood from a patient with gas gangrene, and smelled it. In the hallway, a normally obnoxious surgeon held me gently and talked me down. He said, I remember, "there's a point for everyone beyond which it never will get worse." Later, in an emergency room, when a patient in resuscitation vomited into my face, I was able to wipe it off and regard it as a great sign -- she was breathing again.

From a flight safety standpoint, there are lessons to be learned. The airline, the union, and perhaps the NTSB and FAA should be examining this situation in detail. There's a doctrine of Crew Resource Management encouraging teamwork among flight crews; perhaps this needs to be extended to the cabin, with flight safety attendants (the correct term) monitoring one another.

While it was at a ticket counter, I still cherish the situation when a self-important passenger pushed to the front of (first class) checkin and demanded service, blustering "do you know who I am?"

Without losing a beat, the ticket agent picked up the PA and announced "Ladies and gentlemen, we have a passenger at First Class Checkin who does not know who he is. If anyone knows him, would you please be of assistance?"

Posted by: HCBerkowitz | August 10, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

This attitude is the problem with the world today.

Posted by: kanebrandon

======================================

stupidity is the problem with the world today

the type of stupidity displayed by mr slater, and the type of stupidity prople like you display in cheering these idiots

there is a fine line between mr slater's actions and the actions of the guy who killed 8 people at his work place

somebody goes whacko, and based upon the outcome, you idiots cheer or shake your heads in grief

with no idea how you encourage the atmosphere that causes this behavior

I expect better from professionals

Posted by: nada85484 | August 10, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

A spoiled brat who abandoned his job? Or a hero for our times?
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Maybe a little of both. Yeah, his methodology was way over the top, but he was saying what, no doubt, needed to be said. I travel every week for business in the lower 48, often on a plane, and am continually astonished at the rudeness and selfcenteredness of other travelers (details not needed here, I hope).

Posted by: bucinka8 | August 10, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Did someone say working class hero? Green Day,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNCFcDy94xc

Posted by: dmd3 | August 10, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse


I'm torn between an seeing Slater as an overwroght drama queen throwing a hissy fit versus a regular guy whose collision with the corner of a heavy carry-on woke him up to his plight and prompted his "I'm as mad as hell,and I'm not going to take this anymore" Network moment. Think I'll go with the latter since he picked up a beer and not the white wine.

Posted by: landsaend | August 10, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse


I'm torn between an seeing Slater as an overwroght drama queen throwing a hissy fit versus a regular guy whose collision with the corner of a heavy carry-on woke him up to his plight and prompted his "I'm as mad as hell,and I'm not going to take this anymore" Network moment. Think I'll go with the latter since he picked up a beer and not the white wine.

Posted by: landsaend | August 10, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Your Green Day link made my day, dmd. Love love love their music.

Posted by: Yoki | August 10, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Me too, and love that song. I want their Time of Your Life played at my funeral, along with U2 - Beautiful day, and of course a few trumpet concertos to send me off in style - and beer there must be beer. :-)

Posted by: dmd3 | August 10, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I like Jet Blue of all the smaller airlines. They have "leg room" in the aircraft, cheap(inexpensive), mostly on time & most of all, allow 1 free checkin baggage. Inspite of that, morons bring in waaay oversized hand baggage. Last time we flew to Logan airport in Jet blue, one African (not African American)guy brought in one such that the overhead cabin could not be closed. When the cabin crew started arguing about it, he started being aggressive. With that sort of passengers, anyone can become a Slater in a minute. I don't know why they don't stop it during the security check.

Posted by: sarvenk63 | August 10, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Wait. It suddenly occurred to me that maybe, just maybe, Joel is himself, in some manner, identifying with this Slater person.

Nah. That's just crazy talk.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 10, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Why aren't they charging the passenger who disobeyed the flight rules and the direct order of the flight attendant rather than Slater?"

Because he upstaged the passenger by using profane language while working as, and dressing as, an official representative of the airline?

Because he endangered the safety of all on board by triggering safety equipment that is only to be used in case of an emergency?

Because he cost the airline thousands and thousands of dollars in labor and lost time, picking up after his mess?

Because he failed to observe proper procedure while dealing with an unruly customer?

Because he broke the law repeatedly and ran from it, requiring police to investigate and arrest him at his own home?

Posted by: frantaylor | August 10, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I think (and assume it of people I respect) that adults know the difference between symbol and reality. Achenbach was right to note the pointedness of the symbolic act, yet we are still free to (and indeed should) pursue whatever routine matter of sober civil justice the matter requires.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 10, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I love that it took Jet Blue 20 or more minutes to alert the authorities. You know his fellow crew members at JFK were taking their sweet time relishing the fact that he had enough guts to do what they all, at one time or another, have wanted to do. Good for him. If there is an instance for a needed slap on the wrist from the authorities, this is it.

Posted by: t_lhrh | August 10, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"enjoy the moment" If the corporate thieves can get away with their crimes without any repercussions, he should too. But, today in this country, the small guy gets the shaft (as in arrested), but the corporate thief gets a scolding from Congress and nothing else but a second chance to steal again.

Posted by: bigisle | August 10, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Jumpert1: Your intoning of the grim phrase " we.. indeed should pursue whatever routine matter of sober civil justice the matter requires" reminds me of a civil magistrate pronouncing sentence in a Russian Novel. This is rare high comedy - don't spoil it!

Posted by: landsaend | August 10, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Jumpert1: Your intoning of the grim phrase " we.. indeed should pursue whatever routine matter of sober civil justice the matter requires" reminds me of a civil magistrate pronouncing sentence in a Russian Novel. This is rare high comedy - don't spoil it!

Posted by: landsaend | August 10, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

bigisle is right... I'd rather pull a Hurd than a Slater.

At least I'd rather have the golden parachute instead of the emergency chute.

Posted by: -TBG- | August 10, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

This story and the comments I read made my day today, LoL.
The way I see it, Mr Slater could have handled this one of two ways. (1) As he did, or (2) Take out a gun and kill everyone aboard the flight. These days, too many people choose number 2. Here's to Slater, "clink, clink"

Posted by: bestowens | August 10, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

If we're going to grasp for a sociological message here, I don't think we need to go so far as to assume that Slater was a man pushed over the edge by an enfeebled economy or the miserly wage increases he's probably received during the past decade.

If you fly often, you know that an airplane or an airport counter is one of the best places to observe and ponder the decline of civility. Let me put it this way. If you read message boards such as the WAPO boards, you see posts all the time by people who are quick to characterize anyone who disagrees with them as an idiot, Nazi, racist, socialist, liar, leach, maggot etc. You have probably wondered once or twice what they are like in person. Fly often and you are bound to find out.

I suspect that Mr. Slater simply the limit on the number of times one can be treated rudely and not react badly. If the passenger who pushed him past the limit has a conscience, I hope he'll ponder the fact that rudeness often has unintended consequences. Slater happened to channel his anger by exiting the airplane through the emergency exit with one beer in hand. He might just as easily have walked out of the plane and into the first airport bar to drown his anger and we could be reading about the flight attendant who plowed into a family of four while DUI on his way home.

Posted by: exco | August 10, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Supposedly the entitled and rude passenger in the first class cabin that refused to sit down and wait until the plane was stopped, and called Slater a "M.....f....." was Texas Representative Sheila Jackson Lee.

Posted by: ChristopherAnn | August 10, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I can't vouch for the validity, but here is a far classier way to give an FU as you quit your job:

http://thechive.com/2010/08/10/girl-quits-her-job-on-dry-erase-board-emails-entire-office-33-photos/

Posted by: yellojkt | August 10, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Hero? He popped a slide on the Tarmac. Thousands of folks were delayed. He had the law, the remaining passengers, and the company on his side. And, let's see, it's JFK during a war. A person stops an aircraft and runs down the Tarmac. How many more thousands would have missed flights if he had entered the sterile area. Funny only in theory. Psychotic in reality. Did you check his Facebook mugs? Not exactly a life sentence crime, but, Bellevue needs to make an appointment.

Posted by: Dghhjhfdcg | August 10, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"This is rare high comedy"

This is not comedy at all. It is a farce, a solitary miscreant who wants to gain some fame and notoriety out of his dissatisfaction with his job.

The other farce is the people who think that this person is anything more than a common criminal.

Posted by: frantaylor | August 10, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Slater is a hero and a brat. We all know or think we do how he felt, but to act out and perhaps create more problems was childish and immature.
The airlines management are even worse--Slater has been described as hot tempered--how come he is working in the job he had?
This time the result is innocuous--the next time we may not be so lucky.

Posted by: RCDucoff | August 10, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Mr. F alerted me to the Slater story early this morning as I was gathering my belongings for the trip to the Tampa airport and flight to MN. I seemed to detect a general improvement in traveler behavior today over my Twin Cities-Tampa trip on Friday. The Slater Effect?

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 10, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Also, I should point out that it is probably better to decide to quit one's job and then knock-back a six pack than the other way around.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 10, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

You go, Slater! Not quite as intriguing a backstory as D.B. Cooper, but in this era of instant celebrity, it has real possibilities. I'm looking forward to the book and the movie.

Posted by: philamara1 | August 10, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Slater is a plus, Achenbach's version is a plus plus plus.

First time in a long time I've seen a boodle that stayed on the kit. Are there nomore interesting topics available?

Posted by: Nebreklaw01 | August 10, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"it has real possibilities"

What real possibilities? The guy is going to jail and his career is ruined!

"I'm looking forward to the book and the movie."

You're pathetic.

Posted by: frantaylor | August 10, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

How about that recent case of an airline passenger with rotten meat and magotts in his carry-on dropping out onto other passengers? I'm surprised more FA's haven't flipped their wigs over this and similar provocations from the flying public. In many ways FA's are our baby-sitters up there.

He really should have called for the Air Marshal to escort the assailant off the plane. Remember, revenge is a dish best served cold.

Posted by: Prospero1116 | August 10, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Based on the response I would have to say HERO. Although, of course, he was *almost* as much an ass as the passenger.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | August 10, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Nebreklaw01,
We've already covered tomatoes and lawn care this month, so we are now at the whims of Joel.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 10, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Hi Nebreklaw01. Give it time...

Posted by: Yoki | August 10, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget the apples, yello.

Posted by: Yoki | August 10, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Prospero (how's Miranda?),
The tales of miscreant passengers are legion. Unlike Slater's case, most involve the consumption of alcohol BEFORE the incident.

My favorite is the guy who mistook the beverage cart for a toilet. And not for a urinal.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 10, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I left the following comment at Alexandra Petri's amusing PostPartisan piece, but it's equally appropriate here:

He made an outrageous & irresponsible statement and has been, and will be further, punished for it.

But nobody was hurt and in the grand scheme of things it's pretty small potatoes. Those who can't appreciate the humor in the occasional grandly pointless gesture have (in my humble opinion) let an important part of their soul wither.

It's also worth pointing out that the article being commented upon here is (intended to be) a pretty humorous look at things, and those who comment without acknowledging that context should be ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: bobsewell | August 10, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

jjcrocket14, You don't have to continue showing your boorish 5th grade bully antics anymore. We are all thoroughly impressed by you. Such a powerful little boy, we all say about you. Now shoo...go pull some girl's pigtails....before Rush Limpnuts comes on....

Posted by: swatkins1 | August 10, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Quick -- where are the T-shirt vendors???

"Steven Slater for President
of JetBlue"

Posted by: icyone | August 10, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I can think of one job worse than being a flight attendant on a crowded airplane, which is all of them these days, and that would be the prosecutor who has to try to get a conviction in this case. Mr. Slater has been accused of "criminal mischief, reckless endangerment and trespassing."

I don't care how well the prosecutor prepares, how convincing the witnesses, or how ironclad the case, there will be no conviction. No jury in the US will convict him, and certainly no jury in New York!

They might as well dismiss the case now and, as they say in the Big Apple, Fugetaboutit.


Posted by: ancient_mariner | August 10, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

No one's mentioned Ted Stevens.

Because:

1. My mom said not to speak ill of the dead; and

2. She also said if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all..

This is what I say...

Posted by: -TBG- | August 10, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

All right, I'll bite. . . .

Yoki, are you ready for hockey season yet?

*off-kit snort*

Posted by: ftb3 | August 10, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

TBG, that is exactly how I reacted when Cheney announced he had end-stage congestive heart failure.

Posted by: Yoki | August 10, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see this? (Livechat with a passenger on the Jetblue flight)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2010/08/10/DI2010081002472.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: talitha1 | August 10, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't fly a lot, but I have seen more than my share of unruly, self-important passengers: talking on cell phone while plane is taxiing; going to bathroom when plane about to touch down on runway; keeping seat leaned back despite repeating reminder from flight attendants; getting off the seat before plane comes to complete stop; keeping laptop open right until take off; you name it. Some time I feel like standing up and tell these people they should heed the rule for their own safety. I never did. But I certainly feel good if somebody does.

But here we are talking about a dangerous act by somebody who should know better. This is not your regular 7/11 store or your fast food joint that you can just act funny and quit on your own terms. I am sure Slater calculated his action so it resulted in more drama than harm. But he has created a precedent you don't know where it's going to lead. Now some nut job who craves headlines will try to act stupid on an airplane to draw notoriety. 99.9% of these nuts cannot measure the consequence of their acts. And there will be serious ones if such things keep happening.

As much as I understand Slater, I cannot condone his act, because the safety of an airplane is more important than anything else.

Posted by: TheUSAmerican | August 10, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Yoki is right.

Now, back to the topic - the Jet Blue attendant is a hero. It's time for the Middle Class to rebel against the Mega Corporations that fleece us to provide bonus payments for their CEOs for over-working us and putting us in intolerable working conditions.

Posted by: WillSeattle | August 10, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Yes! I mean, it has been 2 months and 1 day since the last game, and that is plenty in my book. Get those boys back on the ice!

Posted by: Yoki | August 10, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

But Yoki, I don't understand how Cheney can have end-stage congestive heart failure if he doesn't have a heart to begin with. . .

TBG, I felt much the same way about Stevens. Too bad about all those other people and their families, though.

Posted by: ftb3 | August 10, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

To be 86 and die in a plane crash...wow.

That's all I got on Ted Stevens.

See TBG's 4:42 for other reasons not to discuss him.

Posted by: slyness | August 10, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I recall that after a certain House chairmanship passed from one extremely senior Member to another, a great deal of the Navy migrated from the one district to the other. I suspect Stevens' financial legacy to Alaska will be longer-lasting.

It turns out you can grow veggies in our part of Florida during a rainless summer: Chinese long beans and okra. Miami avocados are on the market.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 10, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

While I can generally appreciate Mr. Slater's actions in dealing with one last rude and inconsiderate passenger, I don't think we want to encourage this behavior. At what point does it stop be "Going Slater" and "Going Postal"?

Posted by: ebtnut | August 10, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I blame the seniority system which has ruined air travel in America. When I was but a wee child, I would ogle the paperback stand in the local drug store which carried books with titles like 'Playboy's Party Jokes #14' and 'Coffee, Tea, Or Me'. Air travel looked so fun and sexy. I couldn't wait until the day I grew up and could criminally flirt members of the air travel industry.

However, like flying cars and meals in a pill, reality in what had previously been the future has been a dismal disappointment. First, the unions won several lawsuits throwing out various weight maintenance rules which were revealed to be proxies for age discrimination. Then between airline consolidation and cyclical layoffs, all the younger stews (as they were so affectionately called in the halcyon days of my youth) got fired, leaving only the grizzled veterans who could double as the matrons in Eastern European women prison movies.

And with seniority they knew they couldn't be fired, so they took out their aggression against skinflint management on us poor passengers who would be envious of veal pen calves.

I really had no idea how bad it had gotten until I was waiting for a connecting flight in Narita and saw a flight crew for a JAL jumbo jet walking across the terminal in perfect Rockette toy soldier lock-step. Each was within a half inch and five pounds of the others. Their only distinguishing features were the length of their hair and various items of color coordinated flair on their impeccably tailored uniform.

On the same trip, I took a two hour flight on a Vietnam Air plane from Saigon to Hanoi. I got served a hot meal from a co-ed crew of impossibly clean-scrubbed kids no older than 25. Before landing we were all given hot facial towels to prepare us for the awaiting humidity. And this was on an airline where common component of the checked baggage were shopping bags and masking tape.

For a brief moment I had been transported back to the Don Draper era of air travel where customers where honored clients rather than an unwashed rabble more deserving of cattle prods than drink service.

Where have we gone so wrong that the flight crews and the passengers view each other with veiled and now open hostility? With all the bag fees and aisle seat fees and lavatory fees, couldn't we pay just a little more for a 'common respect and consideration fee'? Why can't we return to those simpler days when flying meant joining the Mile High Club rather than Fight Club?

Posted by: yellojkt | August 10, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Undoubtedly, the greatest Flight Attendant in the history of flight attending.

I fly weekly and the behavior and sense of entitlement of so many passenger is sometimes outrageous.

My dream is that the most obnoxious of the passengers is seated in the first row of coach, window with a close connect to catch in Chicago, Atlanta, or Dallas and their carry baggage is like 20 rows behind them and nobody is getting out of the way.

Either that, or I can hit them with some mace.

Posted by: singleseatbiggermeat | August 10, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Publicly curse jerkoff customer, grab booze, make grand exit... Hero. Anyone who says they have never entertained a fantasy of quitting their job in a very similar way is lying. He'll be making the talk show rounds within a week, maybe he'll even become a regular on one or two of them.

Posted by: noybizz | August 10, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I suggest that this passenger should not get away with this. She should have at least a civil suit brought against her. Actually, she sould be arrested for assult as she was breaking the law. I have been on board with obnoxious women and this one sounds like a Class IA jerk. Arrest her! And if no one does, sue!!! And for goodness sake keep her off the planes for life! NOBODY wants her there.

Posted by: littlepaws | August 10, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

You are absolutely right, Joel!

It would be a mistake to tease too broad a sociological message from this incident.

Posted by: wgmadden | August 10, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

As a Flight Attendant in good standing at the airline I work for I can really empathize with Slaters plight, but what he ultimately did was wrong. First Jet Blue will take a 50K hit for that slide deployment, second as a recovering addict shouldn't your clean time be the most important part of your recovery and you are letting a Snot-Rag knock you off the wagon, You got to learn in this particular job to not take yourself too seriously or you will end up doing what my man did. I know again what he was going through but in the end the only person who really got screwed was Slater. Though we are subject to a lot of crap there is a reason why this job is in such demand. you would have to work it to know what i'm talking about. Trust me there are some benefits, he have destroyed his career as an airline employee because again he took himself too seriously, I have lost both parents in this job have a sibling with the worst degree of MS so I know what personal turmoil is, again you can't let the Snot-Rags make you blow your cool to the point that this guy took it. I have no problem if it is warranted to tell a paying customer where he or she can stick it but to deploy a slide that is the number one sin of a Flight Attendant and that can't be tolerated.

Posted by: brothastimulus | August 10, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

As a Flight Attendant in good standing at the airline I work for I can really empathize with Slaters plight, but what he ultimately did was wrong. First Jet Blue will take a 50K hit for that slide deployment, second as a recovering addict shouldn't your clean time be the most important part of your recovery and you are letting a Snot-Rag knock you off the wagon, You got to learn in this particular job to not take yourself too seriously or you will end up doing what my man did. I know again what he was going through but in the end the only person who really got screwed was Slater. Though we are subject to a lot of crap there is a reason why this job is in such demand. you would have to work it to know what i'm talking about. Trust me there are some benefits, he have destroyed his career as an airline employee because again he took himself too seriously, I have lost both parents in this job have a sibling with the worst degree of MS so I know what personal turmoil is, again you can't let the Snot-Rags make you blow your cool to the point that this guy took it. I have no problem if it is warranted to tell a paying customer where he or she can stick it but to deploy a slide that is the number one sin of a Flight Attendant and that can't be tolerated.

Posted by: brothastimulus | August 10, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Reports are that O'Keefe survived the Stevens crash. A silver lining, one that JA is well-qualified to discuss.

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and that Q&A with the passenger on Slater's flight was terribly informative.

Terribly, I say. *eye roll*

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I haven't read the details of how the altercation transpired (is it possible Mr. Slater hurled the first slander upon being accidently hit in the head?). My flying experience has been that there are jerks and good guys on both sides.

I once became violently sick to my stomach just before takeoff and a flight attendant screamed at me rudely to "Sit down!" even as I was trying vainly to explain my situation as I dashed to the restroom. I barely made it (NOT to vomit). She seemed angry with me for the rest of the flight (I hardly noticed as my stomach never comnpletely settled down and I spent much of the flight tying up the facilities).

She should have insisted that the pilot allow me to deplane...

Posted by: gsross | August 10, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Give him a Lady Gaga c.d. and send him home.
It's a good thing no baggage handlers were standing under the door when the chute deployed.

Posted by: BBear1 | August 10, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Yellojkt: "Then between airline consolidation and cyclical layoffs, all the younger stews (as they were so affectionately called in the halcyon days of my youth) got fired, leaving only the grizzled veterans who could double as the matrons in Eastern European women prison movies.

"Where have we gone so wrong that the flight crews and the passengers view each other with veiled and now open hostility?"

Ya wonder?

Posted by: davemarks | August 10, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

How many books are there?
http://www.fastcompany.com/1678254/how-many-books-are-there-in-the-world

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 10, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Oil maverick Simmons dies
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67837I20100809?type=domesticNews

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 10, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, please note that I posted the link for the Q&A with the JetBlue passenger with no editorial comment, not even an *eye roll* or a ;-).

Posted by: talitha1 | August 10, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't usually do more than glance at the president's Facebook posts, but he sent condolences to those who died in the Alaska crash. Yanno, I like that da prez has a page and makes the staff use it.

Posted by: slyness | August 10, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Like many of the other individuals who posted, I fly frequently - I'm at 100,000 miles as of this week - and the behavior of the flying public is simply abysmal. It seems as everyone was raised by apes. No forget that...even apes act more civilized. I frankly don't know how flight attendants or gate agents put up with people. As a society, we've lost our manners and regard for our fellow humans.

Posted by: logan303 | August 10, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Years ago, a Jesuit priest once pointed out to me that free will means that we are free to limit our own freedom.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 10, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

You're a better Boodler than I, talitha... :-)

And hey, we're about to go off-topic, since it's that time again -- Strasmas at Nats Park!! :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Hi-efficiency at-bats are a good thing for Strasburg... 2 pitches = 1 foulout.

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Go Nats! And, Scotty, I'm just a boodler that, on a day like today, keeps her winkies to herself!

Posted by: talitha1 | August 10, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Strasburg's velocity seems just fine...

The control will come along, hopefully.

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I have gone to code yellow. Our blackberries are in and very very tasty. If you are a bear, do not bother to read this.

We have not seen a bear in our yard since we have been here, but we have seen clear tracks and have retired a couple of destroyed bird feeders.

Bears have been active in people's yards up north lately. The explanation is that they are hungry and the blackberries aren't in yet up there. Here is hoping there aren't any bears with long range aspirations who read the boodle.

Posted by: baldinho | August 10, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

As will the Nats offense, hopefully...

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

The world is nuts. We should all deploy the slide!

Posted by: Jihm | August 10, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Thanks brothastimulus. Always good to get insight from the inside, as it were.

Posted by: Yoki | August 10, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

And there's the first strikeout coming back from the DL... 99-mph high cheese.

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

And the second K on a vicious curve...

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The Nats batters are making it too easy for Sanchez... *SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

A three-pitch K is always a good start to the inning...

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Yellojkt, your reminiscences of past days of travel are tainted by your obsssion with the youth of the FAs of that time. It's a little creepy, and frankly misogynistic, that you apparently equate youth with professionalism and make such nasty cracks about the older FAs. Nice way to repay the FAs who saved our lives (Miracle on the Hudson) or died for us (9/11).

Yes, that Q&A with the passenger was pointless--all he kept saying was "I didn't see it."

Steven Slator--hero!

And is it possible that frantaylor is the rude passenger who abused Slater? She seems positively obsessed with forcing everyone to agree with her. Sorry, I don't--Slater is a rock star!

Posted by: NYC123 | August 10, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why they didn't ask me to do that live chat about the Slater story. I seem to know as much about what happened than that guy does.

Posted by: -TBG- | August 10, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

It might not be premature to think Strasburg's hitting the rookie wall... *SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps this rough start will toughen Strasburg up in that Nietzsche sort of way.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 10, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, RD_P, indeed.

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure the Nats will take an unearned run and say thank you very much... *L*

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Strasburg doesn't have it tonight. *shrug*

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

NYC123, I think you may be overeacting a bit, as if a nerve had been hit.

I don't *think* that age or senority had anything to do with the top-notch professionalism of the FAs who were on the Hudson landing or those that died during the 9/11 attacks. Seems like those circumstances were pure chance. Not sure I understand your position that we "owe" all FAs some sort of debt because of them. But what do I know?

Think I'm going to grab a beer on my way out the door here.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | August 10, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

TBG, and you're so much more personable too!

For a view of another angry customer:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/10/mcnugget-fight-mcdonalds_n_677415.html

Chive is going to reveal how real the posterboard resignation was, tomorrow at 10 AM.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/10/brokers-assistant-quits-v_n_677089.html
Jenny

I'll be in a meeting. Somebody text me, k?

Posted by: -dbG- | August 10, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh, there's a "reveal," dbG??

What a giveaway... *L*

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 10, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it was too wonderflu to be true.

Posted by: -dbG- | August 10, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

It was too wonderful to be true too.

Posted by: -dbG- | August 10, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

This blog needs more bears! Thanks baldinho for contributing some much needed bear conversation.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | August 10, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

One coworker to another:
"I hate this job. I'm gonna slater. Later, Gator."

New slogan for flight attendant shirts:
Don't be a Slater-Hater.

Posted by: dcpsinsider | August 10, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Very entertaining Boodle today, sorry I missed most of it. Hey Mudge, good to see you, love the emoticon.

TBG, I agree with you about Sen. Stevens. 'Nuff said about that.

Posted by: badsneakers | August 10, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Just received a call from my kids, and was informed they saw three bears on their trip to the mountains, one by their cabin and two siting from the car. All is going well on their trip, they enjoyed the waterwater rafting although the little one had to move away from the front of the raft as a facefull of cold glacier river water was not really to her liking, older child loved it.

We miss them like crazy but glad they are having fun, and I got an early christmas present, my sister will be travelling cross country this year to join us for the holidays - arriving christmas night.

It a good night.

Posted by: dmd3 | August 10, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

To Slater is not very catchy. You need a more interesting name. Fans of NBA contracts and handshake agreements would recognize my all-time favorite catch phrase based on a name.

You completely Boozered that guy!

Posted by: baldinho | August 10, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

dmd, so happy to hear that the girls are having a great time. Also, that's excellent news about your sister coming for Christmas. How nice to hear only good news!

Posted by: badsneakers | August 10, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

yello, I know what you mean even though your mode of expressing it got a touch of pushback. When I first started flying, several years B.D. (before deregulation), it was fun. It wasn't just that I was young, and walking and breathing and anything else you can name were fun. People were courteous even to scruffy, longhaired standby passengers lugging guitars. People had quiet, pleasant conversations with strangers during the flight.

Even in those days, however, an experience similar to today's 21st century flying was available, thanks to Greyhound and Trailways. I did plenty of that, too, as well as long-distance driving. Flying was a lot more pleasant than either of the other modes, and convenient, too. Remember when you could trade a ticket on one airline for a ticket on another to solve a scheduling problem, with no financial penalty?

Posted by: woofin | August 10, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Hero.

Folks who are prosecuting him are wasting the people's money.

What about the person who bonked him in the head?

Try bonking a cop in the head and see what happens.

Posted by: colonelpanic | August 10, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

My new plan for Congress, and tonight again shows that it won't be a big change from the way it is now: The wealthiest registered Republican and Democrat in each state become the Senators. The next wealthiest person regardless of party becomes the governor. Any children of the Senators and Governor get first dibs on the House seats. Any remaining open seats go up for bid on Ebay.

Posted by: baldinho | August 10, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

The fathead who refused to follow instructions should be subjected to a 2nd Amendment remedy. Isn't such disobedience a felony?

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | August 10, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

colonelpanic, I like your handle -- which Linux distro do you use?

Posted by: woofin | August 10, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Hero for sure....most people on planes are obnoxious anyway, especially people with children. Way to Go!!

Posted by: daygrrrrl | August 10, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Grrrrrrr.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 10, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Har! G'nite all.

Posted by: woofin | August 10, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

One of those wrongs that feels so right. I can't help but smile.

Posted by: CharacterCounts | August 10, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Dear Joel, you had me at 'sociological'.

Posted by: edwardth | August 10, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

LOL! Well, whatever else it did or didn't do, this story sure knocked Michaelle Obama off the front page!

Pulling a slater -- timeless!

Posted by: MadamDeb | August 10, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Off topic, Farenthold checked a St. Petersburg Times story that NOAA "tried to squelch" reports of oil plumes in the Gulf.
http://views.washingtonpost.com/climate-change/post-carbon/2010/08/report_government_tried_to_squelch_reports_of_plumes.html?hpid=news-col-blog

Short version: potentially juicy story, wasn't.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 10, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Well, he's no D. B. Cooper. Bet he gets a country song about him, though.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 10, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

woofin: Mac 0S 10.6.4

I'm bettin' that passenger uses MSWindows.

Posted by: colonelpanic | August 10, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Gee, almost everyone is sympathetic to the flight attendant.

But isn't it possible that Slater gets into passengers' faces?

There are lots of stories about abusive flight attendants.

How about the one who said, "If you don't like it, you can fly Delta", in response to a complaint about the current airline.

And the f(l)ight attendant went downhill from there...

Posted by: jkrogman | August 10, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone get the name of the passenger?

Posted by: Texan7 | August 10, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Herro!

Posted by: Yoki | August 10, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Oooooohhhh. I'm only on 10.5.8. I feel so slow and awkward.

Posted by: ScienceTim | August 10, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Not only hat, I also lack face recognition.

Posted by: ScienceTim | August 10, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Herro, Science-San.

Posted by: Yoki | August 10, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

"Not only hat"? I meant "Not only that."

As I said earlier in the day -- I do not recall having encountered any of these rude and obnoxious flight attendants of which I am hearing rumors. It is possible that one gets back what one gives.

Anyway, I shall keep my eyes open for such creatures tomorrow. My flight leaves for Hawaii at 7:34 EDT. I shall be on planes, off and on, for about 15 hours of Wednesday. I expect I shall have opportunities to see such behavior, if it is common.

Posted by: ScienceTim | August 10, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Big Island, home of the telescopes? I need to visit the endangered bird forests sometime.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 10, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Remember, folks, only dead fish go with the flow, and sliding downhill to walk out the jet-way with your paycheck and your clean rap-sheet is for losers

-------

Think so? I think he'll have all sorts of opportunities - brilliant career move, intended or otherwise.

Posted by: JamesSCameron | August 10, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Slater was probably aware that he'd be dismissed as a result of his impromptu monologue. i reckon he decided to go out in style.

been preoccupied with auto safety since #1 dott's school mate passed last saturday. her funeral was this afternoon. tough stuff, especially in consideration of the lengths we collectively go to in the realm of ensuring that our children are safe. *sigh*

Posted by: -jack- | August 11, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear about that, jack. So sad when lives are cut short.

Posted by: seasea1 | August 11, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

thanks. like i said, tough on the community, because it is so small.

Posted by: -jack- | August 11, 2010 1:21 AM | Report abuse

This is all you got?

I must allow that I'm pleased to see that the reasonable folks have exhibited more stamina than the rabid froth-spewers.

Posted by: Bob-S | August 11, 2010 3:10 AM | Report abuse

A job having to deal with the public is never easy. I’ve worked in different positions dealing with the public while going to college. I was very lucky I never had a difficult customer. From what I’ve seen what my colleagues had to deal with, you really had to be a sanguine to survive in the job.

My experience has been that passenger on international flights don’t get up before the plane comes to a complete stop. In domestic flights, they always do. The stewardess let those passengers get away with it. I don’t think the stewardess knows the consequence of the passenger's action. Then again, we are not a suing society.

Posted by: rainforest1 | August 11, 2010 3:29 AM | Report abuse

Pure Walter Mitty stuff. Mr. Slater took "take this job and shove it" to a new level and touched every sympathetic soul in America. We all wish we had the cojones.

Posted by: Auburninbp | August 11, 2010 3:33 AM | Report abuse

Our company wrote a cheque to a supplier and our banker returned the cheque saying another cheque signatory was needed. The bank account has existed for over 10 years and never had a cheque returned for an extra cheque signatory because the account only needs one signatory. I went to the bank to clarify and the bank supervisor told me to write to their cheque clearing department. I wrote that letter and was ready to go down there and raise hell tomorrow. Now, after Joel’s kit, I probably won’t go there and raise hell. Instead, I’ll just go and ask them why they did what they did.

Posted by: rainforest1 | August 11, 2010 3:37 AM | Report abuse

jack,
So sorry to hear about your daughter's friend.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 11, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

jack, I also offer my sympathies. So many young people lost in tragic accidents and I know from experience the impact on small communities. Hug your dott extra hard and teach her well.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Monica Hesse also jumps in on 'Later!' Slater:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/10/AR2010081005859.html

Posted by: yellojkt | August 11, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

You know it's going to be a rough day when the outside thermometer reads in the low 70s, and you're greeted by FOG at the Dawn Patrol strip... *pant pant pant*

*getting-an-extra-large-Diet-Pepsi-and-being-extra-thankful-for-working-on-an-upper-floor-close-to-the-A/C-chillers Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 11, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, everybody! Hi Cassandra, I hope you're feeling well today.

Scotty, the humidity here hit us in the face when Mr. T and I went outside for our walk at 0600 hours...must be August! It would be nice to have some rain.

I used water out of the rain barrels to water the moonflower vines last night. There are blooms! Also, I had to cut the volunteer cantelope vines back, because they were about to overwhelm the moonflowers. We'll see if any of the small cantelopes come to fruition.

Bible study this morning, but before that I will visit a friend who had a double mastectomy Monday morning. That should take care of the breast cancer...Gosh, I need to schedule a mammogram too.

Jack, I'm sorry to hear about the teenager's death. So hard, so wrong.

Posted by: slyness | August 11, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

jack, best to you and your daughter over the loss of her friend. I'll chip in on that extra hug, too.

There have been tragedies affecting my children's schoolmates over the past couple of months, too.

A notably somber summer on many fronts.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | August 11, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I went to a dermatologist for the first time yesterday. She blasted practically the entirety of both my arms with her little nitrogen gun. All benign pre-cancerous patches. And I thought I just had dry flaky skin.

Now she wants to do some treatment where I sit under a blue lamp for two hours and then hide from all sunlight for 48 hours straight. I guess that would give me time to catch up on some 'True Blood' reruns.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 11, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Jack, I am sorry about your daughter's friend. So sad.

Nice day here with low humidity (yay!) which gives me the energy for all the bothersome little errands and such. I'll do those first then reward myself with a quick trip to see #2 and bring her some tomatoes. Her dog (#2) got bitten on the leg by another dog the other day and it resulted in the leg swelling up. So after a trip to the vet ($$) and antibiotics, she now has heard from the dog officer who wants info on the biter or *her* dog will have to be quarantined! It never ends.

Posted by: badsneakers | August 11, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

thanks to all for the good mojo. off to finish tiling, then off to school tomorrow.

Posted by: -jack- | August 11, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning, friends. Jack, so sorry to hear your news this morning. Will say a prayer for the family and for those that mourn with the family.

As for the flight attendant, the man had his cup full. And with physical contact added to the mix, all bets were off. He acted the way many of us would if we could, but as one person said, when one has a family to feed, that's too high a price to pay. The beer didn't help anything if he's seriously trying to quit. I hope he finds another job.

Another hot one today. Church services were excellent! I hope to go back tonight. Have a wonderful day, folks, and try to stay cool. Love to all.

Slyness, making do. Depression is a big part of what one deals with in this ailment. But trying to stay focused on living, not hiding, putting the best foot forward, and just basically hanging in there. And the one I serve is good. He holds me up, and tells me everyday, that He loves me, and wants good things for me. I believe Him and love Him. His name is that name that is above every name, my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. Thank you, Jesus.

Posted by: cmyth4u | August 11, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Does Perseid cause cloudy weather? We have weeks, months of brilliant skies and then just before Perseid makes an appearance, overcast.

Posted by: bh72 | August 11, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Yello, if it feels like sand paper and does not respond to creams and lotions, it is time to see the dermatologist. Been there and done that and I'm glad you finally went. All those fabulous hours in the beer gardens probably did not help.

In the catholic world the Perseid showers are also known as "the tears of St. Lawrence" because they occur around St. Lawrence Day (10 Aug).

Posted by: gmbka | August 11, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Did I actually kill the boodle? Oh, well, time to go.

Posted by: cmyth4u | August 11, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

gmbka,
The damage was done long before the beer gardens. As a child I spent many a summer day on the family boat in Florida with inadequate sunscreen. I would burn on Sunday and then spend the rest of the week entertaining myself peeling patches of skin off my arm.

The full body scan at the dermatologist (which is far less technical that I assumed it would be, it just means she looks at my entire body and notes any unusual conditions) included a glance at my tushie long enough to determine that all my skin problems are sun related. I have no troubles where the sun doesn't shine.

Nowadays I am pretty fastidious about putting sunscreen on and wearing a hat when I will be out in the sun. Fortunately, I have a fine collection of GT headgear.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 11, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

We all deal with severe personal issues one time or another in our lives. He broke the law and should go to prison. Making him a folk hero is nonsense. Flight Attendants are often rude, abrupt and sometimes down right nasty. Passengers automatically put up defense mechanisms just to survive the abuse. What we seem to forget is the airlines is not doing us a favor. WE PAY FOR THE SERVICE NOT THE ABUSE! Back in the late 1990s I flew at least once a week on shuttle flights between LA, San Francisco and Phoenix. As a business passenger (type B) I want to relate two outrageous incidents I personally witnessed. I saw a Flight Attendant open the jet way door leading down the steps to the tarmac and kick a passenger’s suit case down those steps. All because she claimed the suit case was too large to fit in the over-head. When she caught me watching her, she looked at me and said “they don’t pay me enough to be a baggage handler too!” Next on a flight from LA to Chicago on an Airbus aircraft there were 275 passengers with two lavatories for coach and two lavatories for 8 passengers in first class. An 82 year old gentleman was seated in the row opposite from me. About half way through the flight, after lunch was served, the man rose to use the lavatory. The line was three quarters of the way down the isle from the front of the aircraft to the rear by the lavatories. The man’s discomfort level rose so he left the line and tried to enter first class lavatory (both of which were empty). The Flight Attendant refused to allow him into first class, told him to leave and drew the curtain to the first class cabin. The elderly gentleman then went back to the long line. While waiting, the man could no longer hold his urine and wet his trousers. So let’s not blame it all on the passengers. The Flight Attendant in my book is no folk hero, just another hysterical spoiled child who doesn’t belong in a service industry.

Posted by: Bockscar | August 11, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

We all deal with severe personal issues one time or another in our lives. He broke the law and should go to prison. Making him a folk hero is nonsense. Flight Attendants are often rude, abrupt and sometimes down right nasty. Passengers automatically put up defense mechanisms just to survive the abuse. What we seem to forget is the airlines is not doing us a favor. WE PAY FOR THE SERVICE NOT THE ABUSE! Back in the late 1990s I flew at least once a week on shuttle flights between LA, San Francisco and Phoenix. As a business passenger (type B) I want to relate two outrageous incidents I personally witnessed. I saw a Flight Attendant open the jet way door leading down the steps to the tarmac and kick a passenger’s suit case down those steps. All because she claimed the suit case was too large to fit in the over-head. When she caught me watching her, she looked at me and said “they don’t pay me enough to be a baggage handler too!” Next on a flight from LA to Chicago on an Airbus aircraft there were 275 passengers with two lavatories for coach and two lavatories for 8 passengers in first class. An 82 year old gentleman was seated in the row opposite from me. About half way through the flight, after lunch was served, the man rose to use the lavatory. The line was three quarters of the way down the isle from the front of the aircraft to the rear by the lavatories. The man’s discomfort level rose so he left the line and tried to enter first class lavatory (both of which were empty). The Flight Attendant refused to allow him into first class, told him to leave and drew the curtain to the first class cabin. The elderly gentleman then went back to the long line. While waiting, the man could no longer hold his urine and wet his trousers. So let’s not blame it all on the passengers. The Flight Attendant in my book is no folk hero, just another hysterical spoiled child who doesn’t belong in a service industry.

Posted by: Bockscar | August 11, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

We all deal with severe personal issues one time or another in our lives. He broke the law and should go to prison. Making him a folk hero is nonsense. Flight Attendants are often rude, abrupt and sometimes down right nasty. Passengers automatically put up defense mechanisms just to survive the abuse. What we seem to forget is the airlines is not doing us a favor. WE PAY FOR THE SERVICE NOT THE ABUSE! Back in the late 1990s I flew at least once a week on shuttle flights between LA, San Francisco and Phoenix. As a business passenger (type B) I want to relate two outrageous incidents I personally witnessed. I saw a Flight Attendant open the jet way door leading down the steps to the tarmac and kick a passenger’s suit case down those steps. All because she claimed the suit case was too large to fit in the over-head. When she caught me watching her, she looked at me and said “they don’t pay me enough to be a baggage handler too!” Next on a flight from LA to Chicago on an Airbus aircraft there were 275 passengers with two lavatories for coach and two lavatories for 8 passengers in first class. An 82 year old gentleman was seated in the row opposite from me. About half way through the flight, after lunch was served, the man rose to use the lavatory. The line was three quarters of the way down the isle from the front of the aircraft to the rear by the lavatories. The man’s discomfort level rose so he left the line and tried to enter first class lavatory (both of which were empty). The Flight Attendant refused to allow him into first class, told him to leave and drew the curtain to the first class cabin. The elderly gentleman then went back to the long line. While waiting, the man could no longer hold his urine and wet his trousers. So let’s not blame it all on the passengers. The Flight Attendant in my book is no folk hero, just another hysterical spoiled child who doesn’t belong in a service industry.

Posted by: Bockscar | August 11, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I used to consume more megavitamins before more research came out suggesting it was not useful after all. But one day I took two oil-based vitamin A capsules and on top of that two or three A in the beta carotene form. At the beach all day in the intense sun and no sunscreen, I was amazed I got zero sunburn. Repeating the test several times I became convinced: this treatment prevents sunburn even in the case of extreme exposure. No health professional will suggest this, although there has been a trickle published by now, probably because no one knows if the UV is still causing the same time-bombs in the skin. On short term, though, it's a powerful remedy or preventive. I wonder if it's possibly useful for counteracting the effect of some medications which cause extreme sun-sensitivity in patients taking them.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 11, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

http://www.aolnews.com/health/article/study-many-sunscreens-may-be-accelerating-cancer/19488158

Not for topical use.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 11, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

With Ted Stevens' passing Alaska has lost a political giant.

Levi Johnston has big shoes to fill.

Posted by: baldinho | August 11, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, there are those who find that study somewhat less than worthy of such conclusions:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=5541

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 11, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who cheers this man as a hero is as unprofessional as he is. We all encounter trying situations in our professions. And there are common sense ways to handle them. He chose not to do so, and acted very immaturely and without regard to the welfare of the other passengers. Oh yes, he will enjoy his 15 minutes of fame - make the round of tv shows, write a book, and earn a few bucks. Then he will be replaced by the next attention seeker in our media-obsessed society. But a hero he is not.

Posted by: Amelgepo | August 11, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Scotty,
From deep in that article is this:

"Sunscreen is not a panacea for skin protection. Sun avoidance and physical barriers remain the best approaches to minimizing the acute and long-term effects of UV radiation."

Gotta check the equivalent SPF of a biking jersey.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 11, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

We're all hoping you nipped that in the bud, yello.

On a lighter note, you'd think that Archer Daniels Midland would have some gene splicing therapy for that by now. I think I wouldn't mind shedding my skin twice a year. That'd solve a few things, eh?

Posted by: baldinho | August 11, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I get great skin protection by wearing clothes made by Solumbra. There is sunscreen protection built right into the fibers -- and it's *not* sprayed on. There's a web site (browse the name) and the clothing isn't dorky at all (at least not to, um, me). I wore Solumbra in Africa, and it was all lovely.

Otherwise, I just stay out of the sun as much as I can.

Yello -- I remember the peeling of the skin from youthful indiscretions with the bright star on the beach (and other places). It's kinda fun when you're 10. And now we're paying the price.

Posted by: ftb3 | August 11, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure you couldn't keep up that level of intake daily though, Jumper. Vitamin A (like D, E and K) is one of the fat-soluble vitamins so it gets stored in the body when there is extra. It's not like vitamin C or the Bs that are water soluble so any extra is flushed out daily. There can be too much of a good thing. :)

Posted by: MoftheMountain | August 11, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

That is why when you kill a bear you don't eat much of the liver; toxic levels of Vitamin A.

Posted by: Yoki | August 11, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Calling the paragraph police on Bockscar.*
> make point
> fill in, with anecdotes, if necessary
> conclude

I ain't no editor, but I know when I lose any urge to continue reading.
________________

*have patience - the little green rectangle at the bottom of the screen is doing its best.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I concentrate on the water-soluble beta carotene and don't go over the "daily" dose of the fat-soluble A. Scotty, the article said of retinol sunscreen "It’s not unreasonable to avoid it if desired, but there’s no persuasive evidence to suggest its presence is a sound reason to skip sunscreen." There were those dead rats, however... Personally, I don't use sunscreen at all. Hats, t-shirts, umbrellas and good sense usually keep me intact. My oral vitamin A finding is very effective for one or three days in the sun, however. It even works if one goes undosed, comes in from the sun and takes the vitamin A in the afternoon. The fair-skinned might want to remember it when stuck outside with mad dogs and Englishmen.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 11, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, boodle. A day to myself went to my head.
Carry on. :~|

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

yello wrote - 'The fair-skinned might want to remember it when stuck outside with mad dogs and Englishmen.'

As I was out doing errands at noon today that line ran through my mind. Rather than scoff I realized that t'warn't no idgit wut wrote it.

I, like you and ftb, did the peeling-skin routine for the amusement of those nearby as well as myself. DUMB! There was a reason that those of us raised in Southern climes were told my our mothers to rest after eating lunch and swim later in the day. (And my 1/8 Cherokee/Creek hasn't offset the Scotch-Irish, French Huguenot melanin count one iota.)

Did I just violate my paragraph dicta from above? Ah, well.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Just home from a lovely impromptu lunch with #2 and the quintessential lobster salad on Portuguese bread sandwich. My summer is close to complete now. #2 dog is recovering well from the dog bite and my daughter is waiting to hear from the dog officer after having the biter's owners call and leave him a message with all the relevant info on shots etc.

Talitha, I don't know why you felt the need to apologize for making a very good point about paragraphs. Trying to read something in one big block is like trying to listen to someone who never stops to take a breath - tiresome and not worth the effort usually.

Posted by: badsneakers | August 11, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Jumper wrote that. Just thinking of yello - oooops.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, sneaks. I seem to be apologizing a lot these days. To beloved husband, to construction workers who don't understand why I don't want them in the living room with hods of mortar . . . . .

. . . to the dear boodlers who invited me to the BPH last week that I so wanted to attend. I'm just carrying on with each day as it happens. 8~))

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Poisonous bears. I have heard of this.
Horrible, deadly, poisonous bears.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 11, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Dan Rostenkowski dies. Dare I say this? Stevens and Rosty in one week. Let us hope the 'comes in threes' doesn't apply here.

Note that I still make no editorial comment. I'm off for an afternoon swim - YEAH!

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

The things happen in threes theory probably has Alan Simpson nervous, huh?

Posted by: baldinho | August 11, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I'd say Traficant would be more nervous, baldinho, but you never know...

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 11, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Post headline: "Tight ends give Redskins options."

You decide.

Posted by: chollynickabocka | August 11, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

This has to be heard on this kit . . . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp6Zx_fzpq8

. . . . 'you need to become available to comman man' . . . .

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm not so sure that "pull a Slater" will successfully enter the lexicon.

But I have great hopes for "hit the slide", i.e. to quit one's job in a vividly memorable fashion.

Posted by: bobsewell | August 11, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Must-see TV: http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2010/08/11/note-to-pixar-animation-can-be-quick/

Posted by: chollynickabocka | August 11, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

On second thought, it is not nice to even joke about anyone filling out the trifecta.

Based on the history of the other two, Newt Gingrich could be considered a bird of a feather.

Posted by: baldinho | August 11, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

The Esquire info on Gingrich is a good reminder of just how outside-the-box Gingrich has been.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 11, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

As to "no sunshine, no skin-damage", you'd find out that skiing in high altitudes under an overcast sky, for instance, also can give you quite a bit of sunburn and the same is true for sailing.

Having a nice childhood on a boat and therefore contracting pre-cancerous skin lesions is quite different from what I and my friends did, IMHO: frying in the sun to get tanned, out of vanity, even when I was well beyond my teenage years. "Oh well" is about all I can say about our behaviour. Dermatologists also have to make a living.

Posted by: gmbka | August 11, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

How many on the boodle ever owned a business (even a little gallery like mine) that depended on the 'customer being satisfied'?

Then, one fine day, a customer reams you out for doing exactly what you were (privately commissioned) to do, but in a retail setting with other customers around? And you smiled and acquiesced? Gotta keep the kid fed, doncha know.

Or just been in line at you local bigbox and seen some ignoramous treat a retail clerk like s**t? At a restaurant and seen the dismay on a longtime waitperson when a diner assumes servitude is due?

I've been there. As the owner and chief salesperson of my own establishment I have been treated like carp for going about my business . . . simply because I'm a 'tradesman' and not an elite 'professional' with moogoo bucks.

I get taking the slide . . . but I'd have to account for the buttrash for ever after!

No hero . . . no brat . . . just human.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

And I forgot to tell the story about intake of vitamins in the form of nutritional supplements: a friend of ours faithfully took his vitamin E. One day he started sensing a smell nobody else noticed. He got a complete medical work-up, including a brain-scan because he found the smell rather bothersome, but nothing was found. Then he went on vacation and forgot his vitamin E. Do I have to spell it out?

In case you have missed it: Calcium supplements contribute to heart-disease in a study with 12 000 subjects. Kind of reminds me of hormone supplement therapy, which was supposed to prevent everything from heart disease to Alzheimers. It seems that we are best served with healthy food.

Posted by: gmbka | August 11, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

eatin' fried okra,
watermelon seeds, sweet corn.
will sprout next summer.

t.cumi

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Yup, the "reveal" was a giveaway...

http://www.longislandpress.com/2010/08/11/elyse-porterfield-the-hopahpoa-who-quit-job-via-whiteboard/

Still funny though! :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 11, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Daughter just used the expression "hilarity ensued" in a conversation with her dad.

Posted by: -TBG- | August 11, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

She's learning, TBG! *L*

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 11, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I spent enough time in high-altitude sunlight to have worries. But it was probably southern US and Caribbean sun that resulted in the loss of a bit of nose. So far everything else seems in reasonably good condition.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 11, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

gmbka, that's why I only take Al Qaida Brand™ supplements. "You know what you're getting with Al Qaida Brand™!"

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 11, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, you are on a roll these days!

I hate to think of the number of 2nd degree sunburns I got as a small girl right up to an eyelid-blistering facial burn Spring skiing as a teenager. I have hedged my bets as an adult by never willingly going outdoors.

Posted by: Yoki | August 11, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Niche surfing: riding special high-tech surf mats.
http://surfmatters.blogspot.com/

Along those lines, I doubt that Mr. Slater the former JetBlue employee is related to Kelly Slater, the celebrated professional surfer, someone who must have lots of frequent flier miles.

The Post story on homemade ketchup is a rebuke to the New Yorker's Malcolm Gladwell, who figured out that Heinz got it perfect.


Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 11, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

When I was a lifeguard and swim team member at the local pool for much of my latter teens, I spent a lot of my free time at the pool as well. I was often recruited to apply soothing potions to the sun-tortured skin of co-workers, teammates, and various other patronesses of the establishment.

It was tragic.

Posted by: Bob-S | August 11, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

DOC: I also read the Esquire piece on Gingrich. I anticipate being horribly dismayed at the amount of attention and votes he gets when he runs in 2012.

It is too easy nowadays for partisans on both sides to attack politicians for being terribly crooked, conniving, lying, self-promoting idiots. The majority of the time these charges are bogus.

Gingrich is a rarity in that those charges are basically accurate and there is ample proof of all of the above. Yet, he still works within the power circles to enrich himself and be looked upon to lead his party. Ay caramba.

Posted by: baldinho | August 11, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Do you really think Newt would run? I'd be quite surprised.

Posted by: Bob-S | August 11, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

As part of this whole basement fiasco and mess, I came across my family calendars from 1990 and 1991. It's fun to see what our life was like when Son of G was 2-going-on-3 years old. Lots of hair cuts, play dates, my odd work schedule, my parents' schedules, our trips to the erstwhile family beach house, doctors' appointments, etc.

But for some reason, we wrote the word "papers" on two Wednesdays every month (not necessarily every other Wednesday). Sometimes it appears in my handwriting, sometimes it's in Dr. G's.

For the life of me, I have no idea what it means.

Posted by: -TBG- | August 11, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Bob -S-, the article in Esquire has a lot from his ex-wife Marianne. She'd be shocked if he didn't. She knows him well.

Posted by: baldinho | August 11, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Is that how often you had to re-stock the rolling paper supply?

Posted by: Bob-S | August 11, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Was Dr. G still in school at that time? Maybe he had reports due on those odd Wednesdays?

Posted by: slyness | August 11, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

-TBG-, were you working on a time machine back then? Perhaps you had gone forward and were visiting Arizona.

Posted by: baldinho | August 11, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

baldinho - Well, I read the article, but I didn't take that away from it. I got the impression that she thinks that Newt has always thought of himself as possessing fine presidential mettle, and wouldn't be particularly surprised if he ran. But I didn't get the idea that she thought it was inevitable, or even extremely likely.

Posted by: Bob-S | August 11, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Bob, my take was that she was pretty sure he was going to run, but she was convinced that he had undercut himself so much that he was silly to do so.

Posted by: baldinho | August 11, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Well, I also think it would be silly for him to do so. But his needs are not mine.

Posted by: Bob-S | August 11, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

A rare editorial comment from talitha:

If Newty (may-ray-ta, gorge-ja) or Herself (was-I'll-ya) ever succeed in obtaining a place on a ballot I'm heading elsewhere.

Enough. period.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

you east coaster's seen any meteors yet? looks like it may be clear here after all.

Posted by: bh72 | August 11, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

She turned me into a Newt! I got better.

Posted by: Yoki | August 11, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

bh72, the lawn chair is ready and I'm heading out for a bit before the Daily Show, if I'm still awake enough, I'll go out for a longer time after that. If I see anything, I'll definitely let you know.

Posted by: badsneakers | August 11, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Guess I kilt the boodle, but I'm not apologizing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp9dc9im3-M&feature=related

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Good evening, all.

We're socked in here tonight, though Perseids peak isn't supposed to be until tomorrow night, is it?

Checked in to the heavens late last night, saw a very faint shoooting star through a break in the clouds, nothing spectacular.

Dag, one of these summers I'm going to spend a whole night on a hammock or on a blanket under the stars watching the Perseids like I used to as a child. My kids used to, too. Something wonderful about that, I think.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | August 11, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1khaG80Qgk

would you like to go up on a deck tonight
and look at them with me?

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovf-UFWL-ng

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAC51pbGcHo&feature=fvst

goodnight dear boodle
who are more comfort
that you can imagine

Posted by: talitha1 | August 11, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow, talitha. I was going to link to a new death-metal discussion of stars, but thought better of it.

Thank you.

Posted by: Yoki | August 11, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I hope all is OK with you talitha. Consider this an extra boodle hug goodnight.

Posted by: -TBG- | August 11, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Yep, socked in here & raining just a bit. Since I couldn't read on the deck without getting the book wet, and since there's no sky-gazing tonight, I stood at the other end of the deck. That gives a better sense of what shenanigans the ground-based critters are up to.

But then... a good-sized bat, chasing some buzzing dinner-on-the-wing, flew right through SpiderWoman's web! Quite disconcerting to me (the deck ain't THAT big, I was still only a few feet away); terminally disconcerting to the buzzing dinner, I think; and poor SpiderWoman had to start again almost from scratch.

Just about as cool as a good shooting star.

Posted by: Bob-S | August 11, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Hazy out there, some stars but hard to see them. I'll try again tomorrow night.

My favorite meteor shower was the Leonid back in November of '01. "S" and I bundled up and spent from about 1 or 2 am until dawn watching a fabulous display of 'shooting stars'. We gave up saying "oh wow" after a while, it was that good.

Posted by: badsneakers | August 11, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Hope SpiderWoman has some rain gear

Posted by: bh72 | August 11, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I forget which year (sometime 1982-85), but I witnessed a very vigorous display of the Quadrantid (I'm pretty sure that was it) shower when I took a week-long camping trip in the California & Nevada Sierras over the Christmas/New Year Holiday.

I'd decided that I wanted to spend New Year's Eve alone in the woods somewhere, and the Tahoe National Forest beckoned. Since it was too darned cold & snow-covered to do many long treks, I'd worn myself out for the first two days getting good & backcountried, then restricted myself to day hikes or short camp moves for the next four or five days. That meant that since I had no schedule to keep and nobody to talk to, I generally fell asleep quite early, and awoke very early.

In the predawn hours sometime shortly after New Years Day, conditions were crystalline, and there was a half-hour or so of the most active meteor shower I'd ever witnessed. One at least every few seconds, often several at once. Mind-blowing. Since this was several days into a solo hike, I'd gotten out of the habit of vocalizing anything more distinct than vague mutterings, but I distinctly remember letting loose with some loudly exuberant yelping.

Posted by: Bob-S | August 12, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

The skies are clear here but I'm too tired to watch for meteors. Too many lights anyway.

Keith Olbermann mentioned that Nellie King died. He was a pitcher for the Pirates, and then a broadcaster. I remember listening to him and Bob Prince, somewhat begrudgingly because I wasn't so much a baseball fan as a captive (there was nothing much else to watch or listen to in those days, in western PA). But I remember him fondly. Here's his obit in one of the Pittsburgh papers:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10223/1079190-100.stm

And the link to Keith's baseball blog:
http://keitholbermann.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/08/my_friend_nellie_king.html

Posted by: seasea1 | August 12, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Hi there, boodle! On the weekend we got back from our west coast trip, and we managed to see many of y'all's recommendations. Thanks so much to everyone who contributed, especially bh! We loved highway 128 and staying at the Andiron. And we really loved the cool temperatures. I've posted a selection of scenery here: http://picasaweb.google.com/biaboodler/CAORTrip?feat=directlink

And now I'm tired from all that photo sorting. Good night, boodle. Sleep tight.

Posted by: -bia- | August 12, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

an annual rite celebrating the end of summer holiday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbfjnUlhVc4

this take rocks.

Posted by: -jack- | August 12, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Heart songs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3357me8uxDw

Posted by: Yoki | August 12, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

stevie wonder flashed by in that link. sooo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkBUx6Zn6mo

Posted by: -jack- | August 12, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

I heart that song.

Posted by: Yoki | August 12, 2010 1:06 AM | Report abuse

As many people here have noted, Flight Attendants are often treated at best rudely and often downright cruelly by passengers. Since little if anything is done to prevent or address these transgressions by passengers, it stands to reason that had Mr. Slater tried to have the offending passenger arrested or otherwise dealt with reasonably his superiors would no doubt have been extremely unhappy with him. Think about the potential for a frivolous lawsuit after all! The option for him to take the high ground in this situation simply didn't exist, whatever the "rules" say- it was take the abuse or flip out. So while I can't condone Mr. Slater's dramatic exit, I can appreciate it. And I will still weigh in on the "hero" side because if nothing else this entire incident will remind people that Flight Attendants are also people and deserve to be treated with respect and consideration.

Posted by: Geekdottir | August 12, 2010 3:03 AM | Report abuse

I was on a bus once in Brixton London when the driver 'threw in the towel' after an altercation with a passenger. We all sat there politely wondering who was going to be the first to leave the driverless bus. Not quite so glamorous, but perhaps could be developed into one of those quirky English movies that you lot over there seem to like us for?

Posted by: laundryetc | August 12, 2010 4:48 AM | Report abuse

I neither fully agree with or completely disagree with these lyrics. I simply find them hilarious. From a favorite band of mine, The Replacements:


She don't wear no pants and she don't wear no tie
Always on the ball, she's always on strike
Struttin' up the aisle, big deal, you get to fly
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky

Paid my fare, don't wanna complain
You get to me, you're always outta champagne
Treat me like a bum, don't wear no tie
'cause you ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky

And the sign says, "Thank you very much for not smoking"
My own sign says, "I'm sorry, I'm smokin'"
Don't treat me special, don't kiss my ass
Treat me like the way they treat 'em up in first class

Sanitation expert and a maintenance engineer
Garbage man, a janitor and you my dear
A real union flight attendant, my oh my
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky

Posted by: baldinho | August 12, 2010 6:09 AM | Report abuse

Those are great photos, bia. I've been as far north in CA as Point Reyes and I've been to Portland (but mostly just to go to Powell's). Now you make me want to fill in the gaps.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 12, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Woohooo!! Always fun to start the work day with a quick drenching between the Metro and the office lobby, followed by 16 flights of stairs because the power flickered just long enough to disable the elevators!

I love summer!

*admiring-the-lightshow-outside-as-my-heart-rate-recovers Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 12, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Wise choice, Jumper. They are at least not beholden to stockholders. What was their mission statement again?

Posted by: gmbka | August 12, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Very nice photos bia, thank you for posting them.

A little help for those, like me, who had no idea what a Snooki is. I am not great at substext but I think the writer is not a fan.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/television/john-doyle/sign-of-the-apocalypse-no-497-jersey-shore/article1669680/?cmpid=rss1&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheGlobeAndMail-Front+%28The+Globe+and+Mail+-+Latest+News%29&utm_content=Google+International

Posted by: dmd3 | August 12, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I would reconsider voting for and/or giving support to anyone called in front of a Congressional inquiry who used the Moronie defense, from Johnny Dangerously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv8tVxk6Nj4&feature=related

Posted by: baldinho | August 12, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

It looks like midnight out there this morning. And people are coming in who resemble the survivors of the unlikely event of a water landing.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | August 12, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Oh bia! thank you for your pictures sharing proof that, amongst all the stars, this tiny orb can take the breath away and give it back tenfold.

TBG, felt the hug right through the ether. :') Yoki and all the stargazing tunemasters, loved it. Hard times eased.

And Bob, tell Spiderwoman that weaving is a neverending tale best told one day and one silken thread at a time, bats bedamned.
_____________________

. . . . and here's a wish for a good day for all boodlers even as I expect a decent 'mudging soon . . . . ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | August 12, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Shouting out to all the electricians on the boodle (amateur or professional). My power has been flickering on and off all morning so far. I think the storm has moved on from here, though.

Here's my problem. The power is there on most of my condo. I have a galley kitchen, and the power is on for one side, but not the other side (which, alas, houses my microwave (a large one) and my (*ack*) refrigerator) and it's also not on in my second bathroom.

I checked the circuit breakers (gingerly), to see whether any had moved to the "off" position during the surges, and they all seem to be in the same position. Which is all I know (or dare to know) about it. I have *never* had to move the breakers myself (always engaging others to do it) and I don't know what to do to restore the power to those areas what don't have it now, if you catch my drift.

Need boodle mojo now, yanno.

*thanking in advance*

Posted by: ftb3 | August 12, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

laundryetc posted " . . . one of those quirky English movies that you lot over there seem to like us for?"

Danged if I didn't have to read that twice to realize what "you lot" meant! lol

Posted by: talitha1 | August 12, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

MO-JO to ftb. Take a deep breath and wait for further instructions.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 12, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

May I exhale now, talitha?

*turning blue*

*lol*

Posted by: ftb3 | August 12, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

ftb, my sympathies. I know someone more knowledgeable than I will give you the correct answer but I remember a similar issue with half-house power that involved having to call the power company for the fix. I think it was something fairly simple but beyond a homeowner's ability - but I could be wrong ;-)

Talitha, glad you're feeling better this morning. Coolish morning here, but no rain. We've had hardly any rain all summer. Need to psych myself for work today but looking forward to meeting friends for dinner tonight.

Posted by: badsneakers | August 12, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Morning all! We got not one drop of rain here in my part of Fairfax.

Basement destruction continues today again while I'm at work. So nice to have others doing this awful job. And the young men working are very nice and incredibly hard working.

Does anyone have any experience with concrete staining? We're thinking that may be the way to go to instead of replacing the carpet. They do some amazing stuff these days with concrete floors...

http://bit.ly/cfISoL

Posted by: -TBG- | August 12, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

TBG -- the big question with concrete is whether or not the 'crete was sealed....and if so, how old or resilient the sealing is.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | August 12, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

ftb,
You have lost one phase of your incoming power. Call the utility immediately. It is very likely that several of your neighbors also have lost partial power but you can't tell just by looking from the outside.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 12, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

WaPo has a fascinating review of a new biography of Robert Heinlein today.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/11/AR2010081105457.html

The bio only covers up to 1948, so it doesn't get in to the stuff that is a 'little creepy' (to use Dirda's understatement), but the seeds are sown.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 12, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

ftb, yello's suggestion (one of the three phase legs is dead) is most likely the correct one. However, I suggest you check one more thing. That is, reset the ground fault circuit breaker.

You should have at least one breaker that is not like the others. It has a "test" button on it, probibly yellow in color. This is a "ground fault" breaker. They are *very* touchy about these power flucuation situations. Move that breaker all the way off, then all the way back on again.

If you can get to the refer power cord, I'd suggest that you run an extention to a good outlet, as it's gonna be a while before you get all of you power back.

Posted by: Don_from_I-270 | August 12, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Yep, yello -- I called the office and was informed that others here are in the same situation. The A/C is off, too. But the 'puter is working, and so must I. PEPCO has been informed, I believe. If it's gonna take > 1/2 day, I'll have to make another freezer-contents move to my friend again.

*sigh*

Posted by: ftb3 | August 12, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Very nice review indeed, yello.

Posted by: Scottynuke | August 12, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

bia, nice to see that the Coast went well. And the Japanese Garden, which acknowledges being overstuffed with gift lanterns. So there's a bit more partial concealment of lanterns (and even a pagoda) than would normally be the case. They are working toward becoming a North American center for expertise in garden design and maintenance, as well as serving as a Japanese cultural center for Portland. Sort of ambitious for a little garden in a bad economy.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 12, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"Here comes the sun..."

Posted by: Don_from_I-270 | August 12, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

It's not often that a sports writer will correct a muffed metaphor, especially if it involves math, but check out the one at the bottom of this article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/11/sports/golf/11golf.html?_r=1

Posted by: yellojkt | August 12, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I found a surge protector extension cord, into which I plugged my fridge, so that's working. Unfortunately, I had to extend it across the entry to my kitchen. That means I hafta remember that it's there. Otherwise, I guarantee that I *will* fall down and go boom.

*sigh*

*wishing the A/C would come back on, as we all know how cranky I get*

Posted by: ftb3 | August 12, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Don,
At one time I almost understood the difference between residential power (220 volts, single phase) and commercial power (208V, 3 phase). It has something to do with deltas and y's. In residential areas, from the transformer, each house gets two of the three phases and a neutral (and hopefully a ground as well). So when one phase goes out at the transformer, 2/3 of the people downstream lose power in half their house and 1/3 are unaffected. Really large appliances like air conditioners, stoves, electric water heaters and clothes dryers use both poles. So when one pole is lost, the entire appliance goes down no matter what phase was lost.

That was your know-it-ally and probably inaccurate info dump on the topic.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 12, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

In residential service, you get 220V coming to the house across the hot lines. You get 110V (which most everything runs on, including, fortunately, ftb's refrigerator) by connecting one hot to the neutral. To get 220V for the bigger appliances, you connect across the two hots.

For commercial service, if you wire across the two 110V lines, you only get 208V (120x3^(1/2)). It has to do with the 120-degree (not 180 or 360) phase difference. Or so they tried to teach me in a full semester of my electrical engineering course.

This bonus info dump was just showing off.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 12, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Notice: self-indulgent post ahead -----

I decided to activate the emergency chute today and, being self-employed, take the day off. Not answer the phone, eat the sweet corn and steamed crabs I've stashed, and watch the Norma Shearer festival on TCM all day. Maybe knit. Not worry about the reconstruction dust or mister's absence (three days into a two-week working roadtrip) or the prickly heat I get when I venture into the sere wasteland of the garden.

Just taking a day off. Ahhhhh . . . . wish I could give this sigh to each and every one of you.

Personal indulgent post over. Thanks.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 12, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

ftb, I'm sympathizing with you this morning! Hope you get all the power back shortly.

It was 80 degrees F here at 0600 hours, which would be 0500 sun time. Gonna be anoher scorcher. Those of you who had rain, count your blessings! Scotty, sixteen flights!? Your heart will be in great shape now!

I hate to run Elderdottir to work this morning as her vehicle is acting up. She is driving the 97 Grand Voyager Mr. T and I bought used in 1998, which I gave her in 2006. I stay amazed that she has kept it going this long. It's got 155,000 miles on it, 50,000 on the transmission I put in it in 2005. I think she has appreciated not having a car payment; that's the biggest plus.

Posted by: slyness | August 12, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Good for you Talitha, sounds like the right decision! Enjoy.

Posted by: badsneakers | August 12, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

talitha,
If I were self-employed, that would be my agenda every day. Which is why it's a good thing I'm not.

Posted by: yellojkt | August 12, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

;), sneaks, and remind me one day to ask about your boodle handle.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 12, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

SCC i *had* to run...

Posted by: slyness | August 12, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

yello, ya gots to eat and feed the kiddo. It becomes a habit. And you only have yourself to blame when the biscuits aren't made. Love my work - that's the ticket!

Posted by: talitha1 | August 12, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

bia, So glad your vacation from Palo Alto to Portland went well. I was afraid after i recommended the Andiron you wouldn't be able to score a reservation. I never would have been able to handle the drive along the Oregon coast after making it from Sf to Brookings. Driving long distance is such a chore for mew now.

Posted by: bh72 | August 12, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

bia, So glad your vacation from Palo Alto to Portland went well. I was afraid after i recommended the Andiron you wouldn't be able to score a reservation. I never would have been able to handle the drive along the Oregon coast after making it from Sf to Brookings. Driving long distance is such a chore for me now.

Posted by: bh72 | August 12, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm here to tell y'all that Norma Shearer and Clark Gable, before the censors got to them (circa 1930) burned the eyeballs off movie fans. Yes, indeed!

Posted by: talitha1 | August 12, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

New Kit!

Posted by: ftb3 | August 12, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, bh, the driving took longer than we had expected. When planning, we overestimated the average speeds possible on the lovely scenic highways. Especially hwy 1 at the beginning of the trip. The first cliff and ocean view picture in the set came after an hour or two of up, down, twist, turn, ooh, ocean view! Aah, mountain! Oh, feeling carsick, gotta stop (even after taking the capsules of ground ginger that help me so much on airplane flights). I took that picture while settling my stomach, then took over driving until we got back to 101. Instead of driving every day, we spent two nights in most places and covered more distance in between. It was nice to have some days to hike without worrying about when we had to get back on the road. J doesn't mind distance driving, so I let him do most of the less twisty-turny, and we really liked a lot of spots along the Oregon coast; I was glad not to miss them. That said, on the drive to Portland, we turned inland at Newport instead of taking yet more coastal options. Enough was finally enough! It was a great trip, and when it was time to come home, we were ready.

Posted by: -bia- | August 12, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Even though I know there's a new kit I have to say this . . . . .

I never feel like it's time to come home after a good road trip. Just want to find a backroad and keep going, meet new folk, eat new food, sleep under stars if I can.

Perpetual gypsy, c'est moi.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 12, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Hmm. Thought I'd peek in here. Not that the storm is bad, just that the bunker is so comfortable. Anyway, pumpkin pie is on the table and it's good.

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 12, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Pie is sure tasty, Jumper.

I came in quietly by the side entrance and will sit, rock and knit until further notice.

Don't like the looks of things on the kit, though. Not the trolls, but the Very Opinionated who forgot that 'Yes You Too Can Grow Up To Be President' but forgot to run. Meself included, 'spose.

Posted by: talitha1 | August 12, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

shelter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYrgijwrUrM&feature=related

Posted by: talitha1 | August 12, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Nice tune. But my gawd the paintings in here...

Posted by: Jumper1 | August 12, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

If I take down the Kincades and kitty pix and leave bare walls, what would you suggest?

I'm fond of bare walls myself . . . . .

Posted by: talitha1 | August 12, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Police investigated and found no witnesses to verify his having been hit in the head. Instead, witnesses told the police they noticed a bruise on Mr. Slater's forehead during the flight, i.e. prior to the incident. Ground crew saw it before he boarded.

Worse yet for his court case, the investigation found no witnesses that recall seeing any passenger doing anything or even saying anything to Mr. Slater.

The Police investigation suggests he concocted a confrontation after the fact, hoping to mitigate his violation. I feel sorry for him but am not prepared to believe he's being framed, because I can't conceive of motivation for what would have to be a conspiracy against him.

Posted by: jhbyer | August 16, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

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