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Bly report: Heavy use of blame dispersants

So I've written a little about this BP oil spill, as you may have noticed, and over the past four months I've gone from knowing nothing about petroleum geology and offshore drilling to knowing next to nothing about petroleum geology and offshore drilling. This has been a huge leap for me. My near-term goal is to know shockingly little about petroleum geology and offshore drilling and build from there, until, finally, someday, I can honestly boast that what I know about petroleum geology and offshore drilling would fill a teacup to the very brim.

Yesterday I went to the roll-out of the Bly report at the Marriott downtown. Six BP executives in dark suits gave a technical briefing on what went wrong. This report has a lot of new information. But it's just BP's take on things and has to be viewed in the broader context of BP's legal vulnerability, financial precariousness and public relations profile. That doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong. But the federal inquiry is not going to come to the same conclusions, I'm sure. The Justice Department is likely to have a different take as well.

To a striking degree, the Bly report blames the contractors for most of what went wrong on the Deepwater Horizon. It blames Halliburton for a bad cement job. It blames Transocean for, among other things, not monitoring the well, not taking corrective action, and not having a blowout preventer that could operate in the crunch.

There were eight major "breaches" of control barriers, by BP's calculation. Any one of the barriers could have deflected the disaster, the report states. By Democratic Massachusetts Rep. Ed Markey's calculation, BP assigns itself the blame for only half of one of the 8 breaches.

That's only a little bit of an exaggeration. Most of the breaches can be assigned to Transocean. The first breach, the bad cement job, the thing that set everything else in motion, was Halliburton's fault, BP said, but Bly also notes that the BP Macondo well team, based in Houston, should have done a better job supervising Halliburton and should have conducted a risk assessment late in the game. ("Improved technical assurance, risk management and management of change by the BP Macondo well team could have raised awareness of the challenges of achieving zonal isolation and led to additional mitigation steps.")

But a key line can be found in the appendix, on page 208:

"Transocean was solely responsible for operation of the drilling rig and for operations safety. It was required to maintain well control equipment and use all reasonable means to control and prevent fire and blowouts."

That couldn't be clearer. Safety is Transocean's job, BP says.

This passage is in Appendix F: Roles and Responsibilities for Macondo Well. In it, BP offers a description of the Minerals Management Service (now abolished and replaced by the agency with the ridiculously long name) and the contractors (Transocean, Halliburton, M-I Swaco, etc.). In the description of itself, BP makes no mention of any responsibility for safety.

An obvious question is whether offshore oil drilling should be conducted this way -- with a profusion of contractors, a multiplicity of motivations, inherent conflict, and, it would seem to me, potential confusion about who is in charge of what and who bears the ultimate responsibility when something goes wrong. The very fact that, after this calamity, there can be a protracted battle among the companies over culpability would seem to me to raise doubts as to whether they should continue to operate under the very same kind of partnership going forward. Because, by the way, BP still leases Transocean rigs and contracts with Halliburton. Who do you think dug those relief wells in the gulf? Same set-up as Macondo. These folks are locked together in long-term leases even as they're preparing for years of litigation as adversaries.

If you're the Justice Department, you've got a headache. If you want to bring charges, you have to identify the precise crime and name the criminal. But what BP is claiming is that this is a catastrophe unfolding in an extremely complex manner in which there's no single action or inaction that is necessarily the key event, much less a criminal event. Even mistakes -- BP admits it was a mistake not to use more centralizers in the well -- are not necessarily causal to the calamity. (A major finding of the report is that the hydrocarbons came up the production casing, not up the annulus, and thus the centralizers weren't relevant.)

Watch the animation; it's pretty dramatic stuff.

Bly told us that his group did not find instances of decisions in which concerns about cost took a priority over safety. And yet this is a business, and the oil companies keep careful metrics on how many days it takes to drill 10,000 feet of well and how much it costs on average to produce a barrel of oil. All decisions weigh both cost and safety. The Bly group said it didn't probe deeply into "motivation." Were people rushed to complete the job? Bly pointed out that they spent 3 hours conducting a pressure test on the afternoon of the disaster. That apparently didn't seem like rushing to him. But the BP and Transocean folks interpreted the test result as benign even though it should have been seen as something anomalous, revealing communication between the well and the reservoir. Why did they interpret it incorrectly? Did they really want the test to be a success because the well had taken so long to drill and the rig so far behind in its schedule? Because no one wanted to halt the operation so close to the finish line? A number of the Transocean workers are, tragically, not here to give their side of the story.

By Joel Achenbach  |  September 9, 2010; 6:21 AM ET
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My favorite part is them blaming the air conditioning because massive amounts of natural gas were billowing all over the rig and got sucked into the generator room where the gas/air mixture sent the generators into overdrive.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 9, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

So at what point in the report does Bly start blaming Mr. Christian?

Oh, wait...


Posted by: Scottynuke | September 9, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

This is a classic example of a problem I see every day. There are many different narratives that can be produced consistent with a given set of facts.

You can apply logic skills and all sorts of technical analysis, but, unfortunately, the story that makes sense is often the story that supports your own internal biases. Because, obviously, that's why it makes sense.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | September 9, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Gut morninckzz, Boodlies!

I don´t see how this type of oil drilling can ever be safe.


Posted by: Braguine | September 9, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I liked yello's summary yesterday. What was it, yello? something about lots of mistakes and BP's failure to spend money. . .

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 9, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

The day after this started, there was dinner table conversation around the I-270 household about it. Talk naturaly devolved into: what happened, and who is to blame. My first response was: "When the smoke finally clears, it will all be the fault of the dead guys." Always is.

Posted by: Don_from_I-270 | September 9, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse


My translation of the BP report:

My God, did a whole bunch of things go wrong all in a row. If only we had spent a little time or money on any of these, this could have been prevented.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 8, 2010 11:10 AM |

Posted by: yellojkt | September 9, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I find this very interesting, 'Mudge:

Don't you? :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 9, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Bladder effect. This part sounds fishy to me. I think, if I am understanding what they mean, this effect would only last a minute or so and contribute many fewer barrels before pressure would ease, if it were that.

[Cowtown, I forwarded your Boehner tale to a few friends who know good writing when they see it (I agree, too.) Send it further into the tubes.]

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 9, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Howard Kurtz agrees with TBG that the media has been complicit in giving the nutcase Koran burner waaaaay too much publicity.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 9, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Scotty, that story includes a link to the actual report, which I find to be spectacularly well-edited. Crisp, concise, and dazzlingly punctuated, if I may say so. And, my god, the kerning, the leading, and the creative mix of text, statistics and charts! A tour de force, surely. I laughed, I cried. I'm not ashamed to say that I was verklempt reading it, and when it was over I wanted more. I can't wait for next year's update.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 9, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Although I must say I did get a strong tingle of deja vu there for a minute.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 9, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

And did ya notice, the got "Web site" right? Two words, cap W? Wow!! None of this "website" horse pucky the IT and Web people usually use. Potzers.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 9, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Hi all!

The first one is even on-kit.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | September 9, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

To address the substantive part of this superbly edited report I note that if this trend continues the number of gun violence deaths, that is about equal to this total now, will outnumber the number of highway deaths for years to come. Just too bad there is the all-powerful NRA and no National Firearm Safety Administration at Justice (neffsa?).

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | September 9, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I lost faith in computer geeks when they started pronouncing "gigabyte" with a hard "g' instead of the proper "j" sound. I should call them "jeeks."

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 9, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

So it's "Web site" in the style book, 'mudge? I will try to remember. Any other tips today? I'm feeling especially receptive to corrections. ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | September 9, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I found the post in the last kit from rainforest (around 4:00am) very interesting. It was about Rev. Jones's activities in Cologne, Germany (delusionally cultish) and how his followers finally turned him out. *sigh*

Posted by: talitha1 | September 9, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, I stop posting for a few days and people start denigrating IT, websites 'n all. Sorry to tell you, whatever term we use is the correct one because it's ours. No matter how we pronounce it.

IT also cracks us up when an outsider pronounces ETC like it's an abbreviation for something.

If you don't agree, well, we know your computer's address. :)

Thought I heard on NPR that the church's burn permit had been revoked.

Posted by: -dbG- | September 9, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe you used the word dispersant as a joke in your title given that true reporting of the horrendous environmental as well as human health impacts of the real dispersant that was sprayed heavily over land and water. You know these things Achenbach.

Posted by: chrisdunning1 | September 9, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Front Page Alert

Posted by: talitha1 | September 9, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

That's right, talitha. The GPO (Government Printing Office style manual, which I'm generally requitred to use), Bill Walsh of the WaPo, Chicago, the AP and the NYT style manual all agree: Web site. (Don't know and don't care what the MLA says.) The explanation is that "Web" stands for World Wide Web, which is a formal name. If you capitalize the W it distinguishes it from spider webs, a web of lies, a web of deceit, and any other webs you got lying around.

When you pull a single word out of a proper title, it is usually lowercased; however, the "shortening" rule has three major exceptions: the Web, the World Series, and the Olympics. These are always capitalized, by rule, even when standing alone.

(Bryan Garner, in "Garner's Modern American Usage, dissents, and thinks website is okay. Garner is normally very good, but here he's off-base and an outlier.)

And e-mail has a hyphen because all of these words do, too: A-bomb and A-frame, B-cup, D-day, F-bomb, G-string, h-hour, O-ring, T-shirt and T-square, U-boat, X-ray, etc.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 9, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Which is stronger- a web of lies or a tissue of lies? Just askin'.

Posted by: kguy1 | September 9, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

A web. Kguy, you of all people must have seen a Spiderman movie or two.

Now, if the phrase was "a Bounty quicker-picker-upper of lies," it might be an interesting question, and we'd have to do some tensile testing.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 9, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Brag, you OK, just saw that your area had another earthquake?

Posted by: dmd3 | September 9, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

But isn't Mike Wallace the quicker picker upper of lies?

Posted by: kguy1 | September 9, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I agree he's quick, but I've never put a stopwatch on him.

We have a front page alert, and considering the topic, I think the Boodle needs to immediately begin a long thread upon this particular subject (which is one this Boodle, more than any other WaPo blog or comment section, is wonderfully equipped to handle)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 9, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I once proofed a lengthy manuscript that used the form 1970s rather than 1970's, which the GPO manual required. The only place that seemed to use the apostrophe seemed to be the New York Times. So I figured the apostrophe was anachronistic and its absence wouldn't be noticed. Wrong.

A few months later, a new GPO Manual came out. The apostrophe was abolished.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | September 9, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Sir Mudge, thanks! I've often wondered about "e-mail" vs "email" and would bet that I have dropped the hyphen out of sheer laziness more often than not.

I've never been sure which style book is the most highly regarded and/or used these days, especially on the web. Thirty-six years out of college, and fairly new to using the written word for communication again, has left me very rusty on both word usage and even punctuation. Suggestions and corrections are always welcomed here.

btw, I've known a few Garners in my life. It's an old family name, Garnier when my Huguenot ancestors arrived on these shores.
I've meant to get a copy of Bryon Garner's book for awhile now to add to my collection.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 9, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Back to the topic, I think contractor collaborations have been the norm for a very long time. Halliburton and its competitors have been providing oilfield services for a long time, apparently mostly very successfully and often very profitably.

BP greatly reduced its workforce in the year or two before the Deepwater Horizon calamity. I've wondered whether BP personnel were overstretched and overstressed. Worrying about remaining employed isn't conductive to spending more money or taking a bit more time to ensure things are done right.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | September 9, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The standard rhetorical question around our office is "But is 'anal-retentive' hyphenated?"

Posted by: yellojkt | September 9, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

scc: Web (!)

Posted by: talitha1 | September 9, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I see that the Emily Dickinson review has garnered all of two comments. If only she had ever burned a Qur'an.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 9, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This was an industrial accident. There was no criminal intent. The Justice department should move onto real issues rather than participate in an Obama directed witch hunt.

Posted by: bruce18 | September 9, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Webby Awards
Senator Jim Webb

Posted by: yellojkt | September 9, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Warning lights are flashing down at Quality Control
somebody threw a spanner and they threw him in the hole
there's rumors in the loading bay and anger in the town
somebody blew the whistle and the walls came down
there's a meeting in the boardroom they're trying to trace the smell
there's leaking in the washroom there's a stink in personnel
somewhere in the corridor someone was heard to sneeze
'goodness me goodness me Industrial Disease?

The caretaker was crucified for sleeping at his post
refusing to be pacified, it's him they blame the most
the watchdog's got rabies the foreman's got fleas
and everyone's concerned about Industrial Disease

there's panic on the switchboard, tongues in knots
some come out in sympathy some come out in spots
some blame the management and some the employees
everybody knows it's the Industrial Disease

The work force is disgusted downs tools and walks
innocence is injured, experience just talks
everyone seeks damages and everyone agrees
that these are 'classic symptoms of a monetary squeeze
on ITV and BBC they talk about the cuts
philosophy is useless theology is worse
history boils over there's an economics squeeze
sociologists invent words that mean 'Industrial Disease'

Doctor Parkinson declared 'I'm not surprised to see you here
you've got smokers cough from smoking, brewer's droop from drinking beer
I don't know how you came to get the Betty Davis knees
but worst of all young man you've got Industrial Disease'

he wrote me a prescription he said 'you are depressed
I'm glad you came to see me to get this off your chest
come back and see me later - next patient please
send in another victim of Industrial Disease'

I go down to Speaker's Corner I'm thunderstruck
they got free speech, tourists, police in trucks
two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong
there's a protest singer he's singing a protest song - he says
'they wanna have a war to keep their factories
they wanna have a war to keep us on our knees
they wanna have a war to stop us buying Japanese
they wanna have a war to stop Industrial Disease

they're pointing out the enemy to keep you deaf and blind
they wanna sap your energy, incarcerate your mind
they give you Rule Brittania, gassy beer, page three
two weeks in Espana and Sunday striptease'
meanwhile the first Jesus says 'I'd cure it soon
abolish monday mornings and friday afternoons'
the other one's on a hunger strike he's dying by degrees
how come Jesus gets Industrial Disease?

Posted by: yellojkt | September 9, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Well bruce18, I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV, but I don't think criminality is dependent upon intent. There is such a thing as criminal negligence.

Posted by: kguy1 | September 9, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Although I'm sure it was coined in the dark ages of the Web, I just read the word "netiquette" the other day. Should we consult Miss Manners or a stylebook regarding it's capitalization?

Posted by: talitha1 | September 9, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Depends on whether it's a noun or a modifier. One likes to distinguish between those who are AR by nature and those who are simply paid to be that way.

I don't see any signs whatsoever that the Web uses *any* style book. But generally speaking, the overwhelming majority of newspapers and many magazines use AP. Social scientists use APA. English majors tend to use MLA, but some prefer Chicago, as do many non-social-science academics. Outdoorsmen use the Cabela's catalog and yuppies use J. Crew and Britches of Georgetown.

Garner is expensive, talitha ($45 retail, $30 on Amazon), and is a thousand pages. Not zackly throne-room reading.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 9, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse


"Tom Brady involved in car accident
Updated at 12:03 p.m.

"Tom Brady told the New England Patriots' media relations staff that he is okay after an auto accident early Thursday morning in Boston.

"Brady is at Gillette Stadium, attending meetings ahead of Sunday's season opener. He was expected to practice with the team in the afternoon.

"We just had a walk-through. He was there," Kevin Faulk told Tom E. Curran of ESPNBoston.

"We're just all thankful that he's fine. ... Obviously it's a shock, no matter who it is," tight end Rob Gronkowski told Mike Reiss of ESPNBoston.


6 hours and 6 minutes. Just sayin'.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 9, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I understand that the skimping on centralizers (whose purpose is implied fairly well, even if the denotation is obscure) did not seem to contribute to this particular incident. That seems to suggest that BP merely got lucky, and managed to dodge just one out of a fusillade of bullets. Many of the others hit their metaphorical mark.

My hypothesis is that BP, as the prime contractor, is responsible for the net result of the incident, so long as the subcontractors did not actually falsify or withhold information from BP that would have enabled BP to make a decision that would have prevented the mishigoss (Mudge? spelling?). It seems that BP has tried to maintain a plausible lack of responsibility for the subcontractor's actions by not contractually requiring that the subcontractors fully report their activities and demonstrate actual compliance with the letter of regulations. For example, the BOP was supposed to work, but it was Transocean's responsibility to know that -- and BP's responsibility for it, should it fail. It didn't work, and we have reason to believe (garnered from the past few months of reporting) that the failure modes were knowable if it had been thoroughly tested and properly maintained. Transocean is responsible for maintaining the BOP, but surely BP should be responsible for providing incentives and resources for Transocean to test the device and fully and honestly report the results. BP's defense has been that the BOP is Transocean's responsibility -- but if BP's reporting requirements could be met by tests performed on a nonfunctioning BOP without overt falsification (which would isolate blame with Transocean), then surely BP is at fault here for negligence. Right?

Posted by: ScienceTim | September 9, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Six hours and twenty minutes until the premier of the latest version of 'La Femme Nikita'. Gonna take a lot to make me forget Peta Wilson.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 9, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

That long until Tom gets back to Gisele, 'Mudge?

You got a GPS on the guy or something? :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 9, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I have committed to using the AP Stylebook for a very important reason: it's the only stylebook I have. So I must go way back to "e-mail" in formal writing. In emails and in the Boodle, I will be less formal.

The biggest mess I have seen is the Wikipedia style guide.

Nice link, yello.

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 9, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I like oldies but goodys. Or is it "oldys but goodies?"

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 9, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Transocean's defense will hinge on how much direction they were given by BP. BP designs the well; Transocean performs the work. It comes back to 'means and methods'. Throw in a bunch of other seemingly simple but legally complicated phrases like 'standard of care', 'commonly accepted practice', and 'design responsibility' and you have material for decades of lawsuits.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 9, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

mudge, hah! Textile designers use the Yarnmarket catalog/Website or their own linty-fuzzy recollections!

Yes, I just "Amazoned" the Garner and found the price. I've seen it referenced so often that it's always been in my mind to acquire it. Perhaps another day, darnabbit!

Thanks for the other information.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 9, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Many life scientists use a version of APA called CBE and CSE, from the Councils of Biology Editors (nearly defunct) and Science Editors. CSE is becoming the standard as S is more inclusive of chemists, biochemists, biophysicists, etc.

Many engineers use IEEE style.YYJJ? What about you and your ilk?

All these citation choices are built on the APA platform, which is an author-date system, rather than an author-page or works-page system. The innovation of author-date over MLA or Chicago is that the RESEARCHER and the DATE, jump out within the text.

The current-ness of the date matters more in science than, say, many humanities settings. Texts and classic authors are timeless, so we name them and the SACRED PAGE.

Back to the class prep salt mines.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | September 9, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

It is likely that its subcontractors deserve part of the blame. In any case, our legal system expects each side to a controversy to make the best case for themselves that they can. Even when the goal of a post mortem is just to recognize mistakes to avoid repeating them, few are quick to accept the blame. Whatever the quality of BP's arguments, it would be diffcult for them to sink to the level that is often seen on these op-ed pages.

Posted by: dnjake | September 9, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

'Twould be interesting to see the contract (if it exists) between BP and Transocean and whatever other subcontractors there were, to get a handle about what all the parties thought where the risks and attendant responsibilities lay (and all of that could have -- and should have -- been negotiated, of course).

And while I *am* a lawyer, I categorically do *not* play one on TV, so you can take my remarks with the appropriate askance look. I shall not take offense (unless, of course, I feel like it . . . .).

In the meantime, my Word for my iMac seems to have frozen up and I can't get out of it. I'm certainly thankful that I saved all my files in advance to the Word hissy fit.

I just got pictures of my friend's new 4-month old Golden Retriever, and -- oh my -- *such* a cutester. Very, very adorable and with an extraordinarily long tail. Goldens (if bred right, and she appears to be) are wonderful. Long may she reign.

Posted by: ftb3 | September 9, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, I go all the back to "Ye Oldeth; yea, and forsaketh thee not ye Goodeth, prithee."

We use APA here but only for references and sourcing, since GPO doesn't seem to know that such a thing exists. During my freshman year of college we had Turabian drilled into us, so much so that to this day I flinch at the mere sound of her name.

Tom shoulda never left Bridget, Scotty. Not even for Gisele. Don't know what he was thinkin'.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 9, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Turabian, as you know, Mudge, is ChicagoLite for studentals.

I LOVE HER NAME. So exotic, of Turkey and Arabia, but later I found 'tis Armenian in origin.

Here is her bio:

Would love a pix of her, a hero really.

I thou

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | September 9, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I dunno either, 'Mudge... *shrug*

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 9, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

The engineers I know are still working on avoiding passive voice, getting commas in the right places, and trying not to mix up 'who' with 'that'. And not doing a very good job at it. So trying to follow a format and a formal style guide is a fool's errand. All I know is that my current boss hates hyphens while the CSI-trained editor I used to work with insisted on putting them everywhere.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 9, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure a ratty version of A Manual for Writing is floating around here, too, probably stuck in my copy of The Elements of Style. Mercy!

Posted by: talitha1 | September 9, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

CqP, my second semester English 102 class was taught by the department chair, good old Dr. Binney himself, who used to refer to the book and the rules as "Miss Turabian," like he know her (he may have). He'd say, "Class, you will of course use Miss Turabian for this assignment." Buying her book was required for all freshman.

Miss Turabian and I were not the best of friends.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 9, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

BTW, CqP, I don't think I ever mentioned to you that in that freshman year I was an English major, until I was lured away into what later became the first of oh so many apostasies. (In this case, the Whited Sepulcher of Journalism.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 9, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

CqP, my little slice of engineering/analyst gov't bureaucracy generally uses a mishmash of Chicago and GPO. I'm convinced the previous reports processor developed it for job security or had a humanities background, because it seems ill-suited for the majority of our publications. The reference table and the in-text citations are an odd mix of IEEE and Chicago.

And I know all of this because I just helped develop a Word template that takes care of most of the quirks so the engineers/analysts can concentrate on the content.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | September 9, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, I wonder where my MLA Style Sheet is? I haven't seen it in ages. Considering that it's 37 years old if it's a day, it's certainly out of date.

Did anyone else see the story that the next edition of the OED will be published online only? I suppose I'll have to make do with the free version, as I have no justification to spring for the full edition, regardless of the cost.

Back to your regularly scheduled Boodling. (Notice the capitalization.)

Posted by: slyness | September 9, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

That's a fun article on the Vendler book about Dickinson. I may have to acquire it. I seem to recall being encoraged to believe as a child that Emily Dickinson was a simple poet, suitable for children - and never believed it. She always seemed full of complexity and murky depths. In a good way.

I met Bryan Garner once. He was trying to put together a legal OED-type lexicon, looking for employees and readers. I thought that sounded like much more fun than the law-type job in which I was then employed. I enjoyed our interview, but never found out whether he would hire me because his funding disappeared.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 9, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I think the line that astounded me in the Dickinson piece was the Harold Bloom quote, that she was ""the best mind to appear among Western poets in nearly four centuries."

I mean, yikes, that some high praise! The best in 400 years? That goes back to old what's-his-name (who 400 years ago this week had probably wrapped up "Coriolanus" and had started work on "The Tempest," when not acting the kingly roles of some of his other work).

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 9, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I *did* order the Vendler book on Dickinson while I was visiting Amazon to check out the Garner style book. I looked on my shelves and realized I have both the Johnson and the Franklin collections mentioned. Amazing in a way --- but I do tend to pick up poetry at booksales and everyone gives me collections for gifts. So, that will be a nice distraction when it arrives.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 9, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The burn is off:

Posted by: MoftheMountain | September 9, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

The Importance of Punctuation, Illustrated.


After an hour and three-quarters, I found an obscure debug log that gave a seemingly generic error message. The install tech searched it in his proprietary knowledge base, finding the problem was a *known bug.* We'll have to finish on Monday.


That's why there are DVDs for previous incarnations of Nikita, yello.

Posted by: -dbG- | September 9, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Had Emily Dickenson writ the BP report, it would have more of the truth in it, if fewer of the Facts.

And one suspects that if "his group did not find instances of decisions in which concerns about cost took a priority over safety", it was because they were not prepared to make a serious investigation of that question.

Joel questions whether the failure is perhaps a product of the diversion of responsibility among the contractors, suspecting a single company might perform better. I have my doubts. I confess to haveing deliberately exposed my brain to psycho-active compounds derived from the ideas of economists over a course of several years. One of the things they like to talk about is the "agency" problem - the incentives of any agent - tax collector, manager, CEO - are different from those of the king, the boss,the shareholders. I'd need to see evidence that buck-passing is any less frequent between organizations than it is within them before I'd but into the idea that BP alone is more in control than BP/Halliburton/Transocean. The only thing it would clarify is legal liability.

Posted by: j3hess | September 9, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm so accustomed to Joel's excellent writing I am guilty of the sin of thoughtlessly taking it for granted. "Blame dispersants" is very good.

You'd think I would shell out $12 for this.
But I am going to rely on my 1998 because I am stubborn.

Amazon is not good at providing copyright dates. Who wants a 1985 edition of such? Not me.

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 9, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

The victim shares part of the blame because he failed to scream loudly enough during the commission of the crime.

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 9, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Remember the Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 9, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

And if you are clumsy and drop a gold bar on your foot, the foot is likely to muffle the impact, but the wealth is not likely to muffle the yell. Or something.

Posted by: ScienceTim | September 9, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

yello, that reminds me of a wonderful play-on-words a Russian lawyer I once knew told a group of us at the National Press Club pre-Soviet collapse (but it was on its way out by then) -- maybe 20 or so years ago. He and a group of others were over here under a cooperation with the ABA (American Bar Assn, for those who don't know) for a summer, working with law firms, going on trips, etc.

He told us that there was a direct relationship between the dollar, the pound and the ruble: "A pound of rubles costs a dollar."

The whole place cracked up. They were all lovely people, and I'm a bit sad that we lost contact. I hope they are well. One of them gave me "a collector's item" -- a pin with the insignia of the (then) Soviet Bar Association, which was a profile of Lenin.

I wonder where I put it . . . . .

Posted by: ftb3 | September 9, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Good evening, all.

Only a few short hours until the NFL regular season starts - yay!

To rephrase my previous Boodling on the matter, I wonder if this BP report says why the BP folks were flown in there at that time? I'd suggested that perhaps they were looking into an operation that had run over budget (time and money) and that the story they were there to deliver a message about safety was rather interesting given the circumstances (if Transocean's responsible for the safety aspects, why is BP there to train the RO staff just a short time before the rig shut down?)


Posted by: -bc- | September 9, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

If Emily Dickinson wrote the BP report...hmmm

We reviewed the causes of this loss,
this awful tragedy
and come to the conclusion
the cause was not BP

The cause-in-fact of the real problem
was clearly bad cement
It’s Halliburton you should seek
it’s they that should repent

Transocean’s fault we also note
is where you ought to steer
Their efforts to prevent this loss
inadequate, it’s clear

But if at last you seek to seize
the owner of this well
it was 2134865,
a Cayman holding shell

Please serve our registered office
at its island postal box
You’ll find it in the deep blue sea
just by some offshore rocks

Posted by: engelmann | September 9, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I hate to break it to you, Mudge, but AP Style is now "website." One word, lower case.

Funny thing... the CNN article I read to confirm the change ends with this sentence:

"The full 2010 AP Stylebook, which includes the new social media guidelines, was released today and is available on the AP's Web site."

Posted by: -TBG- | September 9, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Daniel Boone kilt a golden bar once. Well, likely technically it was brown.

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 9, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

If we spell it backwards (etisbew) it won't matter to me anymore. ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | September 9, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

*big sigh* I guess I need to order a new AP book. Alas.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised the barbarians are taking over the world. Why should the AP be any different from all the other declining institutions.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | September 9, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Ahh Englemann...I missed you.

Bad luck is not chance
It's sought
Misfortune's expensive pout
Is earned
The Saviour's Potion
Is that old-fashioned caution
We spurned

Posted by: DNA_Girl | September 9, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I am convinced that the visit by the BP overhead accelerated motivation to demonstrate that the well was finished and awaiting production that caused the drillers to forget safety.

The fault is BP's and they should pay damages. What is being lost in this story, mostly because it is politically incorrect, is the remarkable revelation of how tropical seas can digest large volumes of petroleum that are dumped into them at depth. Who would have thought that possible before now?

Posted by: edbyronadams | September 9, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: talitha1 | September 9, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Englemann! :-)

Hey, is it tomorrow night yet? This "short" week is kickin' mah butt!!!


Posted by: Scottynuke | September 9, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Simply wunnerful, engelmann!

If I had a hat and it were on, I'd tip it to you.

Posted by: ftb3 | September 9, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I use e-mail and Web sites, but I see that the chap who invented the Web, Tim Berners-Lee, uses email and Web sites:

I recall reading something from him where he acknowledges that lots of people use website, but I can't track that down right now. He definitely prefers World Wide Web and Web sites, however.

Posted by: -pj- | September 9, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I reckon Joel ain't touchin' hogtown with a 10 foot pole...too risky.

Posted by: teddymzuri | September 9, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone note that the Koran-burning has been cancelled, at least according to the NYT?

Posted by: Yoki | September 9, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: teddymzuri | September 9, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness, Yoki.

Posted by: teddymzuri | September 9, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

MotM posted the wapo link at 5:11, Yoki.
She had me by an hour.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 9, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Shiver me timbers, me lad, them British pirates sure did destroy that Gulf of Mexico.

It was a brilliant act of sabotage. They sure did make them break away colonials suffer.

Posted by: alance | September 9, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Industrial accident. NO ONE MEANT for this stuff to happen. No one means for mines to explode. Sago in W.V. a couple of years back? For oil platforms to collapse. NO ONE WANTS this stuff to happen. It's an accident. Jeez, peeps. Who wants airplanes to crash? Necessary component. We need aircraft carriers. We need subs. Sometimes, subs sink. SOMETIMES, planes crash on carriers (as a former Nimitz flight deck sailor, *I* can attest to that). Stuff happens. WHY do we HAVE to assess and assign blame. If I'm a Democrat, *I* don't want planes to crash, mines to blow up, for subs to sink. If I'm a Republican, I don't wants this stuff to happen. Why the HELL can we not accept that bad stuff happens and thank the Lawg that we have people to do our dirty-work for us? Why does EVERYTHING have to have a political bent? WWhat the hell happened to the U.S. of A?

Ye Gawds..

Posted by: JamesChristian | September 9, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I gotta go with the Saints tonight,wasn't it not too long ago their were the Aints.

I am so ready for some football!!!!

Posted by: greenwithenvy | September 9, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you, gwe! I'm very happy to see football games again.

Posted by: -pj- | September 9, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

29-yd. TD. I missed who that was singing the National Anthem.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | September 9, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

BP is using a lot of words to say nothing. These folks are so together and tight, they can smell each other's breath, and anything else coming from the body. If everybody points the finger at the other guy, eventually the conculsion drawn is that no one is to blame.

I'm back and finished for the day and part of the night. Thanks so much for your prayers and good wishes. The patient is resting, and feeling ok. We have to wait for the results.

I had to check on my dad. His friend up the street from him died this morning, so he was feeling pretty low. I'm going to call and see how he's doing.

I'm pretty much wiped out, so it's bedtime for me. Please, enjoy your evening, and thanks again for being the best friends a person can ever have in this life.

Posted by: cmyth4u | September 9, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

That was Colbie Caillat, Mudge. Never heard of her.

Posted by: -pj- | September 9, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse


Light and poppy and frothy.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 9, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I see her dad produced several of the Fleetwood Mac records during the Buckingham-Nicks era of the band. That's a nice heritage.

Posted by: -pj- | September 9, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 9, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Sleep well, Cassandra!

Elderdottir and I went to the local Greek Festival for lunch. We had gyros and bought sweets to bring home. The food was excellent, the weather just right, and the crowds large. Mr. T and I enjoyed baklava for dessert tonight. I thought about you, TBG! You should come sometime.

I hope everyone enjoys their football.

Posted by: slyness | September 9, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Engelmann! A tasty treat indeed!
DNA Girl!

Many hugs to you Cassandra, and I hope you sleep soundly and long. You do some hard work for your friends, family and community.

I'm with bc - the timing of that visit is most interesting.

And I too took the Kit for granted. "Blame dispersants" made me laugh and giggle when I read it, I should have said something.

I still can't play the accordion but I know what some of the notes are.

Vaya con queso, Boodle friends; buenos gnocchis and fondue.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 9, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Selena Gomez in Budapest. Filmed in a bunch of locations I visited.

She is a long way from Waverly Place.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 9, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I have a young niece who looks freakishly similar to Selena Gomez. If, you know, Gomez were a pale freckled Irishwoman.

Posted by: Yoki | September 9, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Along with its many other problems, the US is suffering a swim fin drought. Da Fin, a Hawaii firm that sells fins for lifeguards and bodyboarders, explains at its website that their manufacturer, Pacific Molding, is moving to a new plant in southern California and is having some difficulties getting production back to normal.

Da Fin has a tentative schedule for when sizes and colors of fins should be available.

Pacific Molding's website has a photo showing fins on a table. One's a Da Fin, while a black fin with a yellow spot on the blade is a Viper Fin, designed and sold by a southern California outfit deeply associated with a spectacular and infamous bodysurfing spot, the Newport Wedge.

So here's a manufacturing and retailing crisis in miniature. It's not as serious for surf-based recreation as the sudden closure of Clark Foam (surfboard blanks) a few years ago. In fact, hardly anyone but beach lifeguards, bodysurfers, and serious bodyboarders are likely to notice.

Back to topic, JamesChristian noted that the Deepwater Horizon explosion "was an accident." That's true but not relevant.

The "accident" rate for anesthesia used to be high. People accepted that anesthesia was risky. As Atul Gawande and others have pointed out, anesthesia need not be dangerous. The techniques that made it safe owe a lot to the techniques that made flying safe. Would we put up with 40 fatal airliner crashes a year?

Running deep water drilling rigs is probably inherently hazardous, but the Deepwater Horizon explosion looks like something that ought not to have happened, for a long list of reasons.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | September 9, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

What does it mean when Jon Stewart depresses you?

"Blame dispersants" cracked me up this morning, too. And then I had the second thought of ". . . but but but, that's what I'd said all along!" I've got that plume on my witchy radar.

I know, Yoki. Careful.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 9, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I finally noticed that, should the attention-getting Gainesville preacher go ahead with his project, the city will bill him quite a lot for security. Same seems to go for the Alachua County Sheriff's Department. Not that there's a way to make the gentleman pay.

I feel bad for local law enforcement: a UF football game and perhaps a messy scene a few miles north, not far from the Devil's Millhopper (a natural hole in the ground).

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | September 9, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

The Devil's Millhopper is a fantastic name for a big hole.

Posted by: Yoki | September 10, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Fun with quotes .....


But when the prayer is ended, then disperse abroad in the land and seek of Allah's grace, and remember Allah much, that you may be successful.
--- Q'uron

Pollution is nothing but the resources we are not harvesting. We allow them to disperse because we've been ignorant of their value.
--- Richard Buckminster Fuller

Glory is like a circle in the water,
Which never ceaseth to enlarge itself
Till by broad spreading it disperse to naught.
--- W.Shakes.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

daz sum editin' i dun dun, by de by.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

And on that note, did we mark the twenty-fifth anniversary of Buckyballs this week?

Posted by: Yoki | September 10, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

...or the 45th anniversary of the superball?

Posted by: -jack- | September 10, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Oh, not of the quotes. They are exact to the best of my research. Just of setting them up to post . . . . oh, never mind.

G'night, Boodle.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Was it really, jack? That's hilarious. I always thought they were just *there.*

Posted by: Yoki | September 10, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

i lost more superballs than men that were killed by cecil b. demille.

Posted by: -jack- | September 10, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

jack -----

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

I have a strong suspicion that we've been visited by astroturfers today. Can't prove it, but I've seen that particular style of vacuous, missing-the-point argument in other forums. I'm referring to the two posters above who appear to be saying that sufficiently great harm should actually diminish liability, and the poster who referred to the kit and/or boodle as an 'op-ed page' while failing to make any discernible point. I've got two reasons for thinking these posts are astroturf: (1) the writing style, which is pretty smooth and calm, is too good for the childish level of the arguments, and (2) the attempt to mute criticism for the sake of some supposed appeal to fairness just smells wrong. Maybe they are hoping that casual skimmers will pick up the meme. As I said, just a suspicion, but I mention it because I utterly despise astroturf methods, whether they be insincere blog comments or phony pressure groups.

Posted by: woofin | September 10, 2010 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Do boodlers skim casually, woofin? I need to look at the manual more closely then . . .

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 2:46 AM | Report abuse

As for what to call the current generation, here is one suggestion:

Posted by: yellojkt | September 10, 2010 5:43 AM | Report abuse

Morning, yello! Something from the way back machine . . .

It's Friday - Hullabaloo!

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 5:46 AM | Report abuse

Can hippie~~~boomers text?
I need to consult my stylebook. 8~]

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 5:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm OK, friends. Just not sleeping so I stayed up working and spinning tunes ..... shared a bit with you.

G. is off to the VA today and I had lots of paperwork to prep aforehand. Cross fingers and toes for his health. That's the main thing right now.

Later in sunshine . . . .

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. Talitha, hope you get some sleep today. Anne, got your box, thanks a lot.

And the preacher may change his mind about burning the books. I get the feeling he's liking the attention.

Refrigerator has knocked off, so there's work for me this morning. No rest for the weary.

Yesterday was just beautiful, absolutely beautiful. We haven't had any rain in about three weeks, so that's not good. Cigarettes will become a threat if it doesn't rain soon.

Slyness, slept pretty good. Hoping today will be a lot slower. It sounds as if you had a great time, and yes, the weather was perfect for such an event.

Have a lovely day, folks, and much love to all. Today is Friday!

Posted by: cmyth4u | September 10, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Happy Friday and good morning, everybody! Cassandra, I'm glad you slept well and hope you have a pleasant, calm day.

Mr. T and I walked in the morning cool, it was so nice not to be drowning in humidity. Yes, rain would be good.

It's quilt day. We've got about five weeks to finish it, so we need to get moving. It will be raffled off, I'd love to win it.

I hope the Florida preacher goes away permanently after tomorrow.

Posted by: slyness | September 10, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Good luck with all the doctor stuff.

Hope the refrigerator gets better.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 10, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

FWIW, I'm simply not reading or watching any more coverage of the jackhole down J-ville way. I'm not going to feed that hype beast (are you listening, WaPo, AP, et al?) salivating over a nobody.

*realllllllllllllllllllllllllllly-glad-it's-TFSMIF Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 10, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

The fire 'n brimstone hater-fer-Jesus down south certainly makes me sick. As Cassandra points out, he probably needs to spend more time thinking through his own sacred text before torching anyone else's.

But what annoys me almost as much is the Palinesque argument that this book burning is insensitive in the same way that the Park51 project is insensitive. This is a classic false analogy, because it begs the question of whether or not the Park51 project is insensitive at all.

The more accurate analogy is that both burning the Koran and objecting to Park51 implies a hatred of all Muslims because of the actions of a few.

Or, to look at it the other way, if we don't want Muslims to hate all Americans because of this Koran burning, then we shouldn't blame all Muslims for 9/11.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | September 10, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

RD, they're quacking up each other's you-know-whats making analogies between this wackadoo in Florida and the Islamic center in Manhattan.

TBG nailed it, we all know, that the media feeding frenzy is out of control - one idiot incites this maelstrom of discontent everywhere. Whoooosh! World leaders plead with a maniac.

I spoke with a young friend of my son's, 24-year-old man in New Delhi, last night. Total sweetheart. He said that everyone he knows realizes that all Americans aren't like "him". This young man was trying to reassure me! Blew my mind.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

To clarify --- "him" is the word Hari (Harpreet) used to describe Jones.

G. and I were opining last night that we were reminded of a certain John Brown fella, but perhaps that don't apply. Sure does have that maniac glint in his eye and with that shock of hair . . . a fella could raise a ruckus with just a notion.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Good morninkzz, Boodlies and happy Friday!

Broken Drill Bit Delays Rescue of Trapped Miners.

This morning powerful magnets arrived to clear debris of the Plan B shaft caused by a shattered drill bit. This had suspended drilling for 24 hours. Work on the Plan A shaft continued normally.

The giant Plan C oil exploration rig is due to arrive today. It requires 42 huge trucks to move this monster and a new road had to be built to enable the convoy to reach the mine.
It will take a week to erect Plan C, which requires a concrete platform the size of a football field.

Yesterday, the Trapped Thirty Three had pot roast with rice for lunch.

Brag :)

Posted by: Braguine | September 10, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle.

RIP, Allen June, 91. Would have loved to have interviewed him.

Liked Ted Koppel's piece:

Didn't think much of "Nikita" at all. In fact, won't watch it again (i.e., canceling "record series" programming on it).

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 10, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

...and may I add I really hate headlines like this: "Fidel Castro: Capitalist?" Yeah, right. Perhaps they can follow it up with heds like "Mother Theresa: Penthouse Pet?" and "Charles Manson: Warm and Cuddly?"

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 10, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

The Ted Koppel piece is dead on. We collectively have playing into Osama's narrative perfectly. That is the nature of asymmetrical warfare. Ten thousand dollars of plane tickets have made us expend one trillion and the sacrifice of 19 zealots have led to the death of over 5000 dedicated US servicemen. Not a trade I want to ever make again.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 10, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Koppel got it right, but are the pols capable of understanding?


Posted by: Braguine | September 10, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Hey Cassandra, I hope you are trying to get the word out, like I am, that if all of the folks who came out to vote last time will come out this time, we can give our president some help in the U.S. Senate. It's within sight.

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 10, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I bet Mother Theresa was a hottie in her day.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 10, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

But yello, TK says the goal of terrorism is to provoke excessive response, and then builds a whole piece around that. Either he's slapping everything into one box and stuffing the lid on crooked (the goals run the gamut from vengeance and international recognition to influencing policy to causing citizens to doubt the abilities of their government to provide security, etc) or he means excessive military response, which is just one small part of a much much bigger picture.

Posted by: LostInThought | September 10, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Daily bear story,

Posted by: dmd3 | September 10, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

What TK says is that the initial response was "about right." It's what happened after, say, Year 2 or Year 3 that became the problem:

"The Bush administration's initial response was just about right. The calibrated combination of CIA operatives, special forces and air power broke the Taliban in Afghanistan and sent bin Laden and the remnants of al-Qaeda scurrying across the border into Pakistan. The American reaction was quick, powerful and effective -- a clear warning to any organization contemplating another terrorist attack against the United States. This is the point at which President George W. Bush should have declared "mission accomplished,"

I'm sure Koppel would be the first to agree that in the first weeks and months after 9/11, it would have been insane for any politician to stand up and suggest we should just downplay what happened, and/or do minimally or nothing about it. It isn't/wasn't the first year that's the problem, it's the 8 years that followed that first year that are the problem.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 10, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, exactly!

Posted by: Braguine | September 10, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I thought Ted Koppel's piece was excellent. I do, however, need from the boodle some mechanism to stop me from clicking on the comments. I keep telling myself (aloud, even) "don't do it" "don't you do it" and it's always the same -- as are the comments.


It looks absolutely gorgeous outside, and I'd love to go out and play, but, alas ...

It's supposed to be gorgeous again tomorrow and rainy on early Sunday, although it's supposed to be rainless by game time at 8:00 p.m. I think my friend is gonna be there. I always tell her that I'll look for her in the crowd and wave from the comfort of my sofa. She always agrees to do the same. Uh-huh.

And, um, I hope that Shriek joins me in yelling: GO LIONS!

Posted by: ftb3 | September 10, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Hmm. Gotta agree with LiT here.

I don't think bin Laden had a single specific result in mind beyond the immediate destruction, death and confusion, although as I understand things, the reason they'd targeted the WTC in the past (remember that?) was to disrupt Western/US business and economy.

Speaking of terrorism, I see that Rev. Jones down in Gainesville is now using the 'move the Manhattan Mosque site or the Q'uoran gets it' ploy.

His church marketing campaign and membership drive may have morphed beyond his dreams, and perhaps leading him in new directions.

Sew fear, doubt, unrest, and conflict and react quickly to take advantage of unanticipated results...

Koppel's piece seems pretty narrowly focuesed to me - it's OK for the very narrow territory it covers, but I think it's incomplete in scope. But that's my opinion, just as TK has his.


Posted by: -bc- | September 10, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

well, bc -- that sowing the "fear, doubt, unrest, and conflict and react quickly to take advantage of unanticipated results" sounds a whole lot like al-Qaeda and a lot of rethuglicans nowadays. Put a beard and a turban on Rev. Jones and whaddya get?

Posted by: ftb3 | September 10, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Just in case no one has mentioned this, here is some background info on that guy named Jones in Florida:,1518,716409,00.html

If you thought that he is crazy and dangerous, he is.

Posted by: russianthistle | September 10, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

ftb, Susan Jacoby has this intriguing thing to say in her colum:

"It seems to me that those of us who came of age in the 1960s are more disturbed than younger Americans by the current culture of rage, and that is only natural. My youth--or, rather, the end of my youth--was defined by the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and Robert F. Kennedy. By 1968, when Robert Kennedy and King were murdered, the level of public anger on both the right and the left was such that you did long for someone's hand on the gate. I have something of the same feeling now, but it's worse because I no longer possess the natural optimism of youth."

Do you think it's true that us senior citizens of the 60s generation (although I do immediately note that I am sooooooo much older than you, dear ftb) feel more strongly about (and against) this culture of rage than the younger whippersnappers do?

She also quotes Gail Collins on crazies: "When this sort of thing happens," writes The New York Times op-ed columnist Gail Collins, referring to the [Terry Jones], "it is important to remember that about 5 percent of our population is and always will be totally crazy. I don't mean mentally ill. According to the National Institute for Mental Health, 26 percent of American adults suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in any given year. So, basically, that's just normal life. I mean crazy in the sense of `Thinks it is a good plan to joke with the flight attendant about seeing a bomb in the restroom.''"

Jacoby is also pretty good in decrying the weighing of burning Korans and building a Ground Zero mosque [never mind that it isn't] as equally morally equivalent acts that somehow offset each other.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 10, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm crazier 'n John Bolton's mustache on Jesus.

Posted by: Boomslang | September 10, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Install AdBlockPlus on Firefox and you never have to worry about news story comments again. I really have to jump through some hoops to read those comments, so it keeps me away from the baying Mobb.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 10, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

That's what I've heard about you, Boomslang. Someone told me that on VE Day you're going to round up and burn as many copies of the Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society as you can find. Is that true?

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 10, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

mudge, I might have missed it here, but last night, Keith Olbermann went to great extent to interview the Florida based cleric who went to Jones to try to dissuade him from his stupid act. Olbermann also spoke with someone who talked with the NY imam's wife. They balked at the so-called equivalency and also stated that there was no deal in place.

Posted by: russianthistle | September 10, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

talitha, jack and all superball fans:

This made me smile when I first saw it years ago, and it still does now.

Hope everyone is having a good day! :)

Posted by: MoftheMountain | September 10, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever wondered what he would have been like if Rod Blagojevich was really religious... or at least willing to make it appear that he was really religious? Terry Jones lets us all know.

Posted by: baldinho | September 10, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I missed Olberman last night, weed. I very nearly got carpel tunnel while channel-flipping between Nikita, the Saints game, Rookie Blue, and the cooking channel.

But since I agree this thing is being way over-covered (Obama just got asked about it in his press conference, and unfortunately DIDN'T blow it off), I wish Olbermann had just let it go.;

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 10, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

'Mudge -- I dunno 'bout Boomslang, but for Columbus Day I plan to gather up as many cans of Spaghetti-Os as I can find and use copious amounts of thermite on 'em.


Posted by: Scottynuke | September 10, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

The rig that is on its way to help free the Chilean miners is owned by a Calgary company. Its CEO very dryly remarked that it never expected to be in the rescue business, but were happy to have been asked to help. Apparently it is moving the rig at its own expense.

Posted by: Yoki | September 10, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

SCC: "sow" and "focused."



Posted by: -bc- | September 10, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, hell, Yoki, everyone knows the Calgary always comes riding to the rescue.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 10, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

One of the alleged goals of Osama Bin Laden was to cause an oil price shock driving crude up over $100 a barrel which would then collapse our economy.

Oil was at around $25 a barrel on 9/11/2001 and actually fell in the aftermath but has been steadily climbing the longer we have stayed in Iraq. It peaked at just over $125 in the summer of 2008 and is currently hovering around $75. How is the economy, by the way?

Posted by: yellojkt | September 10, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Jkt, that was one of Cheney's goals, as well.

Posted by: russianthistle | September 10, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

And oil is not expensive enough apparently. The F150 pick-up truck is back at the top of the sales in both Canada and the US. There are more small/medium cars in the first 10 than a few years back but still...

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | September 10, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Cheney's masterplan was to install a US friendly puppet government between Shiite Iran and a fundamentalist Sunni Arabia when the Saud family finally falls.

Iraq would also be a great place for all his Halliburton buddies to make a killing rebuilding the infrastructure. Oil production in Iraq reached pre-war levels this year for the first time since the invasion.

We won't even talk about being greeted with roses after we find all those WMDs.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 10, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse
300,000 bouncing super balls

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 10, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey now! Let's not be dissin' the Eff Won Fiddy. My 12 year old F-150 provides reliable transport for everything from peat moss to porch swings, tandem bicycles and tandem canoes. Best of all, all I have to do is get in and say the word "Saturday" and she drives herself to Home Depot within no further input from moi.

Posted by: kguy1 | September 10, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

SCC: with no further input

Posted by: kguy1 | September 10, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Ping pong balls and mousetraps.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 10, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

And in the "What could possible go wrong with teaching robots to lie?" file:

Posted by: yellojkt | September 10, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Apparently no one actually goes to my links since that is the second time this boodle someone has reposted. Yoki and Jumper, I'm looking at you. *mock stern look, wagging finger*

lol, 'sok, I don't go to most of the youTube ones either 'cause I'm at work. ;)

Those superballs bouncing around San Fran ARE pretty cool though. So are yello's ping pongs.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | September 10, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Just wrote this to my son, who's in CA and worried about his old mom. Figured I might as well share it with y'all:

I have a oil painting that my grandmother (a quite accomplished landscape artist) executed in college in the 20s, a still life. The flowers, the vase, everything about it is exquisite.

But the vase is sitting on ..... nothing.
It's a total hoot and she gave it to me just before she died in '69 to make the point that beauty can be created but if there's no foundation, no bedrock of knowledge and (her emphasis) PRACTICE, your vase of flowers will float away.

I just hung it an hour ago in the space left vacant when G. removed that painting we'd acquired together. I wonder if my grandmother knows it grounds me?

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

This is my favorite YouTube clip of all time.

I really liked the old Dick Cheney. Seriously.

Posted by: baldinho | September 10, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

talitha, as someone who once had to fill that space on the wall, want you to know how much I appreciate you telling that.

Posted by: dmd3 | September 10, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Going back to earlier point by Mudge, apparently some older protesters never lose their zeal.

Posted by: dmd3 | September 10, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I used to take that personally too until I realized that it way too easy for stuff to get buried. Sometime it's just timing. The other day I posted a link to the Rappin' Dads video a good twelve hours before the next one. My link drew crickets but the next one to the same video had everyone is stitches.

But I really don't blame people for not following all my links because some are a little odd. But that just means they miss out on the doozies.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 10, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Please, someone, please look at frame #19 and tell me what's wrong with this picture.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 10, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Yello! Because I do not have sound on my office computer I do not click many youtube links during the day, and then at night most often forget to go back and look.

Posted by: dmd3 | September 10, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't see anything unusual. It looks like what I used to see every weekend when I took my rice and squirt gun to the RHPS midnight screening. If anything, Frank on the left needs some more eyeliner.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 10, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Does that mean it is blocked on your computer Mudge? Fashion show picture, just weird IMHO, reasonably skimpy outfits, one many with bling on his bikini bottoms.

Posted by: dmd3 | September 10, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

lol, thanks yello. I wasn't taking it personally, I was teasing about it. I rarely get a chance to go back and read everything from the day before and I miss things all the time. I was just amused it happened twice in one boodle.

Yoki and Jumper, I was teasing, and I hope you don't take it any other way. :)

Posted by: MoftheMountain | September 10, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

dmd, thank you dear heart.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The Haunch of Venison gallery is displaying Yoko Ono's art? (#34 in Mudge's slide show)

What type of name is "Haunch of Venison" for an art gallery? Does that have some other connotation in German?

Posted by: MoftheMountain | September 10, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

yello ..... " miss out on the doozies"

I always wish I could be the proverbial fly
on the keyboard when boodlers hit "cancel".

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Why, Mudge ... what on earth could you mean???



*sending a whole lot of germ-free (finally) hugs to talitha*

Posted by: ftb3 | September 10, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

His corset is on backwards.

Posted by: -bia- | September 10, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Okay, lemme ask the person on the right a guy? Because...well... uh, never mind.

Maybe its just really, really cold in that room.

Zackly might be the proper venue for persons of my own particular gender to wear such fashion finery? I'm all in favor of making a bold fashion statement...I just can't quite figure out what the statement might be.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | September 10, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The statement would most likely be:

"They're coming to take me away, ha ha hee hee ho ho..."

for me, anyway. :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 10, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Brag, brag, brag. Not all of us fill out a feathered g-string as well as you do, mudge. Now that I notice it, the guy on the left does have a blue bottom. Have you been moonlighting as a runway model?

Posted by: yellojkt | September 10, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I was unsure of the gender of the person on the right, but whether male or female can someone give that person a decent meal.

Posted by: dmd3 | September 10, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I know you posed this question to ftb, but is resonates with me bigtime.

"Do you think it's true that us senior citizens of the 60s generation (although I do immediately note that I am sooooooo much older than you, dear ftb) feel more strongly about (and against) this culture of rage than the younger whippersnappers do?"

I feel angrier and more powerless now. Then we were energized and young ..... seeing our fathers and brothers and husbands die in Nam with no end in sight. An inkling of true civil rights for blacks dawning. Women were re-awakening to their own ability to take hold of their bodies, their roles as breadwinners - the pill finally legalized, choice around the corner. Environmental issues were addressed.

For me, none of that has faded, including the fervor and smoldering rage. My son once asked me, early 80s, if I had been a hippie. I had short hair at the time and told him I'd never stopped being a 'hippie' but I grew my hair on the inside of my head now.

I think that the daughters and sons of all of us who spoke and protested and marched and sang and wept have absorbed that consciousness and carry it on ..... but there are too few of them. The saturation of inanity, the filtered or total lack of education in civics and history, has blunted a large (with hope, not too large) segment of young and not-so-young people, not just in the USA but around the world.

The anger seems to be without focus now - just outrage at the powerlessness to make a difference. I think we felt then, and this may be a narcissistic trait of our generation, that one person really could make a difference.

We had JFK, MLK and RFK, among others, as role models. As they, one by one, were picked off our hopes, one by one, were laid aside.

My son and many of his friends have the values we held dear at that time. I feel that THEY feel they are powerless to act upon them.

(am I supposed to say Rant Over? - maybe for a while)

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Kindly forgive the many scc-s up there.
Is it "lain aside" or "laid"?

"Laid" - now there's a novel idea! 8-O

Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Which distorted news coverage is worse: all the attention given to the kook in Florida, that makes many silly Muslims think all Americans burn Korans, or all the attention given to the few groups of silly Muslims chanting "Death to America", that causes many silly Americans to think all Muslims hate us.

All in all, a lot of coverage of very few silly people.

Posted by: baldinho | September 10, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

talitha, you are right. While I no longer have the physical stamina or wherewithall (knees, back) to march on Washington, I have certainly done that as often as I've been able. I do note, however, that there are a lot of still incredibly clueless young women coming out of law school -- and other schools -- thinking all the work is done (by someone else, of course) and that women have reached true equality. Well, you know and I know that that's the equivalent of horse's hockey pucks.

But it still all comes down to what I ranted about the other day in an earlier kit -- that if we want things to change, *we* have to be part of the change and not delegate the effort to the President/gummint or some other entity. And then whine when things don't turn out the way we'd like as fast as we'd like.

Keep your rants handy, talitha, where you can reach them.

It appears that Caroline Wozniacki lost today in the women's semifinals at the US Open. Too bad. She'll be back, that's for sure. Don't know how the Clijsters-V. Williams match is going, though.

toodley-noodley-boodley for now. . . . .

Posted by: ftb3 | September 10, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Is Yoko Ohno's art better than her singing?

Posted by: dmd3 | September 10, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Dunno, dmd, I was vaguely amused at the bit of "A Hole" shown in the picture, but I think a whole exhibit of that would get tiresome, which is generally how I find her.

Coverage is of all the silly people and there's no mention today of the Kabul Bank debacle. Maybe it's just me, but I think something that destabilizing is rather important to cover. Of course, they are on holiday for Eid so maybe there's not much to report on that front.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | September 10, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

ftb, I took sonchild, age 12, to the March for Women's Lives ('89) in Washington. Actually, he'd heard about it, and wanted to go. He understood the issue of choice, had always asked questions and had them honestly answered, and decided he wanted to stand up. I was inwardly proud as a peahen but matter-of-fact about it when discussing what a huge march was about.

We lived in Chevy Chase MD, so took the Red Line in and transfered to Smithsonian, emerging onto the Mall. We'd haunted the Mall and all its wonders many weekends for eight years (cheap entertainment and education) but this time his eyes popped! He couldn't believe that so many people (750K ?) could be congregated there. I can still see his wonderment as he gazed around.

The other marches and demonstrations in which I'd participated (anti-war, Earth Day, etc.) pale in comparison to seeing that day through the eyes of my son. He's a humanist by nature anyway and also understood by this time that government has no hold over the private life of an individual.

He told me just a year or so ago that he remembers it all but that for him the most incredible part was marching east on Constitution Avenue ("in the middle of the street, momhead!") around the Capitol and standing in front of the Supreme Court building, people peacefully mingling in unison, and in purpose.


Posted by: talitha1 | September 10, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Yay for sonchild and momhead!!!!

Posted by: ftb3 | September 10, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

If my 19-year-old son is any guide, whipper-snappers engage less in strident protest and more in ironic laughter. They don't march on Washington; they forward derisive videos. Who knows which is the more effective approach?

Posted by: RD_Padouk | September 10, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh ftb, that is like all those young female articling students and baby lawyers saying, "I'm not a feminist but..." and then crying in my office asking me how they can persuade their firms to allow telecommuting so that they can take maternity leave without shooting their careers in the foot. Like, they thought we and our mothers had done all the necessary, right up 'til they run into one of the remaining walls...

I'm a sufficiently hardened old broad to deliver a little 'this is why you must be a feminist' lecture while helping them achieve their goals.

Posted by: Yoki | September 10, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure I won't be able to write this in as delicate a voice as I'd like, but it is a supportive voice.

Talitha, keep track of what leaves the house. Not to be punitive, just to ensure you're getting the fair deal you deserve. Please take care of yourself and watch your best interests. Do not be more caring with him than you are with yourself.

I'm not saying to take everything. But firmly expect what you desrve.

Posted by: -dbG- | September 10, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

What dbG said, Talitha!

Posted by: badsneakers | September 10, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I couldn't agree more, dbG. Also, wealth and means (or, in our case, lack thereof). In Canada provincial law pretty much looks after that, but only late in the game. Best to stake out your expectations and entitlements from the get-go. I was simply blessed not to have to fight about that because Himself is and always has been uncommonly good, but that is a rare experience.

I guess I would only add that two generous hearts is the best possible situation; nobody trying to take advantage.

Posted by: Yoki | September 10, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

talitha: "Do boodlers skim casually, woofin?"

Indeed not. The boodle regulars are the most astute and alert bunch of readers that I run across on a daily basis. I don't think the A-blog is really the kind of site to be a good target for astroturfers, which are after all a subspecies of troll.

On anger from the 60s: this is something I've been thinking about lately, too. We talk about how het up everyone seems to be these days, but boy howdy I remember routinely meeting people back then who were so angry they couldn't see straight from the time they got up in the morning until they went to sleep at night, often aided by self-medication. The mean, snotty style was all over the place and from people a lot more articulate than the current crop of wingnuts. (Not that that's the only style there was -- but anger is the topic du jour.) What we now call the 60s was strong, strong stuff and please let us not forget that.

Posted by: woofin | September 10, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Oops, boodled out of order, which is what happens when you dip in once a day... hoping for the best for you, talitha...

Posted by: woofin | September 10, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I was fortunate in that respect too. The ex and I got along much better after we separated, than we did before. He refused to pay child support, but he gave me cash for the downpayment on my house, and we split the kids' expenses. It worked out.

The fire department hired its first female firefighter in 1980 and experienced its first firefighter pregnancy in 1989. Her shift commander had to call the Seattle Fire Department to hear about the Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978. *We* weren't going to tell him that he couldn't make her go home for the duration without pay.

And then there was the idiot captain who decided the women's bathroom at his station should be used by the officers, and the women could use the men's facilities. The assistant City attorney assigned to the fire department produced a masterpiece of a memo on that subject. It just so happened she was a woman herself. And the fire department embarked on a program to provide female facilities in all stations.

We're not there completely, but we've come quite a way. I guess I'm hardhearted too, Yoki, it doesn't bother me at all for young princesses to meet reality. If they can't stand the heat, they need to get out of the kitchen. To use a cliche.

Posted by: slyness | September 10, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Kim Clijsters beat Venus at the US open in 3 sets.

Posted by: seasea1 | September 10, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Seasea: it has been a good tournament so far. I had to cringe at the coverage of the loss by Woz. The related stories linked below the one I was reading all seemed to talk about "Is she hotter than Kournikova?". Yecch.

Posted by: baldinho | September 10, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm a big proponent of making sure that nobody gets screwed in the dissolution of marriages. A very dear friend spent a couple of years in a financial nightmare getting divorced from a guy who came from a well-to-do family and had made quite a bundle in the real estate biz. Going into the marriage, she owned a house and had a six-figure income. Coming out several years later, she no longer owned the house, and after legal fees walked away with a only a few treasured household items and a much-smaller nest-egg than her contributions to the family income should have predicted.

At one point during the very drawn-out divorce proceedings, she was obligated to pay COBRA insurance premiums for him for quite a while, because he was self-employed and had been covered by her insurance policy. All this while he was claiming that she deserved essentially nothing in a settlement because all the assets were his. I never met the guy, but it's hard not to despise him.

On the other hand:
I strongly suspect that my ex-wife had been getting an earful from folks with suspicious minds and previous bad experiences when (not long before we finalized our divorce, and many months after we'd last seen each other) she started to list some fears she had about how I might take advantage of her. These were largely but not entirely financial/property fears.

I was pretty taken aback and asked her if, even with my extraordinary gift for thoughtless self-centeredness, she thought I'd ever intentionally tried to genuinely hurt or take advantage of her (or anybody else), or was likely to do so. After pondering that for a while, she allowed that it probably wasn't something she was actually too worried about.

We managed to complete the rest of that separation process while retaining a few shreds of fondness for each other (or at least with little obvious hostility), which is always a good thing, I think.

Posted by: Bob-S | September 10, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

That is it exactly, Bob. The scary thing to me is that in my situation, and my mother's, there were lawyers saying "we'll take h/im/er for everything s/he's got! And in both cases both parties said, "But I don't want to do that."

The lawyers really didn't know what to do with a separated couple who wanted to be fair and calm and preserve a friendship of long standing. *We* had to educate *them.*

Posted by: Yoki | September 10, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

For my dear Boodlers,

Posted by: Yoki | September 11, 2010 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Well, if we are doing Detroit songs:

Posted by: yellojkt | September 11, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Wow, kinda quiet here in Boodleville this morning.

Good morning, y'all. Warm muffins, coffee and OJ on the table.

May you all observe 9/11 in whatever way is perfect for you. Me, I'm baking my last peach-blackberry crisp from fresh fruit for the season. And putting away the white cotton slacks.

We in TWC are still waiting for the leaves to start turning. The awesome spring and summer weather has delayed the annual event by about two weeks.

Looking forward to more tennis today as well.

Posted by: MsJS | September 11, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I come to the Boodle with a heavy and sorrowful heart this morning. A dear, dear friend has died (at the age of 83 -- two days shy of his 84th). The funeral is tomorrow, and I will surely be there. I am heartbroken beyond measure. Among other things, he was the one who made it possible for me to go to Africa. I will tell them over there when they've returned from a family wedding. The circle of life, indeed.

*terribly sad*

Posted by: ftb3 | September 11, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Thank you for sharing, ftb. It sounds like there are some amazing memories for you to cherish, even in grief.

Posted by: MsJS | September 11, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

ftb, I am sorry, you have my deepest sympathies.

Posted by: badsneakers | September 11, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Yoki, love that song and that movie soundtrack.

ftb, I am so sorry about your friend, big hugs off to you.

Posted by: dmd3 | September 11, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

9/11 for us: walk in the woods, playtime at the town playground, then off to the town old home days followed by a parade.

Sunny, cool day weatherwise. Can't get much better than that.

Posted by: baldinho | September 11, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Morning folks... ftb, so sorry to hear your sad news. Hugs to you this morning.

Talitha... thank so much for reminding me about the March for Women's Lives. My big sister and I both marched that day. She for her young daughter and son and me for my months-old son and yet-to-be-even-dreamed-of daughter. It was quite an experience, as you described.

That same big sister is now fighting a hard battle with cancer--a type that isn't supposed to shorten her life, but appears that it may (although there's still hope). She's always been my hero and you reminded me of one more reason why. Thank you for these tears.

Posted by: -TBG- | September 11, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Gardening day for me, cleaning up our own gardens and perking up planters with fall plants. Then perhaps wine tasting/art exhibit at one of the wineries that are releasing their highly rated Sauvignon (sp) Blanc and Pinot Noir.

Lovely weather today, sunny and calm.

Posted by: dmd3 | September 11, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

TBG, you and your sister are often in my thoughts - steady stream of mojo directed your way.

Posted by: dmd3 | September 11, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

So sorry to hear of your loss.

My hopes and prayers to your sister.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 11, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

TBG, ongoing mojo to all of you, and ftb you have my deep condolences... *HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS all around*

Truly a magnificent day out there, but for some reason it's tough to get into the "enjoy it" mood. *SIGH*

*out-of-habit-only-and-at-kinda-half-speed Grover motions*

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 11, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

One of the stray features of Sept. 11, 2001 was that a tropical storm was bringing excellent surf to the eastern seaboard, so a few people who worked at the World Trade Center had taken the morning off to go surfing, or just enjoy the beach.

ftb, may the funeral be a satisfying one.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | September 11, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

ftb, so sad to hear your news - another big hug and a prayer sent your way from me.

TBG, I'm another who thinks often of your sister's stuggle. Thanks for sharing your memory of being at the march . . . we know of at least one day in time where we shared the air, huh?

woofin', I was asking rhetorically (not my best suit) about boodlers reading thoroughly. I never miss a word myself and have been known to read for hours just to catch up if I've been away. I even go back into the archives occasionally and devour with gusto.

Finally, to dbg, slyness, BobS and Yoki ---
thanks for your supporting words last evening. Rest assured that the legal matters and the division of material goods are the least of my burden right now. We have always maintained a certain autonomy on the financial matters, having married later in life. As far as division of "goods" my biggest struggle is/will be not to be left with the detritus. Since I'm staying right where I am, I don't want any of his "junk" left to be my responsibility. I find myself standing, literally and figuratively *hand on hips* in this regard. His physical health and my emotions are the main struggle . . . all your kindness is so very, very much appreciated. Please don't pull any punches with me, O ye boodlers!

Have a good and peaceful Saturday, y'all.
Another hug to ftb.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 11, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm wiping away tears from your loving comments. Thanks, without measure.

Posted by: ftb3 | September 11, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Once upon a time after the parental warnings on record albums were started, (that ended quietly, didn't it?) I saw one that cracked me up: "PARENTAL WARNING: This is an Iggy Pop record."
And that was it.

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 11, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Warning: this is a Jumper link:

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 11, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Airplane, Jumper. Funny thing is that I just ran across my original copy of that LP on Thursday and it's still sitting by the turntable.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 11, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

It only takes a little while. Promise!

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 11, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Add my good wishes and sympathy for you, ftb and TBG.

Now I'm going to do a variation on this. Epazote and chayote are both new to me, but I got them. The epazote is very, very interesting and I like it.

It's the masa dumplings that grabbed me.

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 11, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

That was fun! It took about three minutes the first time . . . then I got the knack.
Now, outside to enjoy this ginormously beyootiful day.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 11, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

There is always the pig races in Pigtown. Video to follow.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 11, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon, all.

ftb, I am sorry to hear of your friend. My thoughts are with you, his other friends and family.

TBG, dear, more mojo to you and your sister, and your family in these trying times. You know I love ya'll (even if I drive you crazy once in awhile).

A peaceful afternoon to all.


Posted by: -bc- | September 11, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Looks like chayotes are finally being grown commercially in Florida, not just imported from Costa Rica.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | September 11, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse


I'm very sad to hear about the death of your friend. I hope the funeral helps you remember what he meant to you and his other friends.


Lots of mojo to your sister and you and all of your family. My best thoughts to you all!

Posted by: -pj- | September 11, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Seems like P G and E, of the exploding gas main near SF, may have earned a spot in the blame dispersant discussion.

Posted by: baldinho | September 11, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

We went to the Old Home Days, which was really a day similar to that put on by the local safety groups (fire/police, etc). I donated blood and then celebrated with a piece of rhubarb pie.

I'll let John Fogerty take over here.

Posted by: baldinho | September 11, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Federer does not deserve to win this match - way too many unforced errors.

"S" just showed me this video, very short and laugh out loud funny.

Posted by: badsneakers | September 11, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Fun read.

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 11, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Hello,friends! It's been a busy, busy, day, and it all started at 5:30 this morning. I'm just getting in, and ready for bed. Just wanted to stop in and say hello, and see how you guys are doing.

ftb, so sorry to hear about your friend. I'm sending a lot of hugs your way.

TBG, you know, you and sis are in my prayers always.

Jumper, I'm talking, don't know if anyone is listening.

Slyness, still got the refrigerator, told those folks to wait until Monday. I had to attend a funeral yesterday, and it lasted 2 and half hours. I could barely walk by the time I got home. Another one of my dad's neighbors passed away yesterday too.

I went to the dry cleaners this morning, and the lady there didn't know today is 9/11, so when she realized this, she started talking about the mosque and the preacher in Florida. She doesn't think the mosque should be there, and she thinks the preacher is wacky, but may have a point. Of course, both of these subjects got a good going over by me. No one came in while I preached, and when I left, she said, you know, maybe you got a point there.

I told her to take a look around our town. To look at the decay, the run down buildings, the lack of industry, the cemetary look of where we live. And no one talks about that, so one has to wonder if they see it. A problem has to be identified in order to seek a solution. Denial never wins the day. I could literally cry when I walk through the community I played in as a child.

Talitha(keep the rant), Yoki, Slyness, like your take on the women's movement.

Have a good evening folks, and love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | September 11, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra, get some rest, dear heart. You know - you beat all for energy and honesty. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall at the dry cleaners! 8-)

Posted by: talitha1 | September 11, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Federer lost in 5 sets. Good match, although he wasn't serving well and played a couple of bad sets. He had 2 match points in the 5th. Djokovic/Nadal for the final.

Posted by: seasea1 | September 11, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

ACC's having a bad day in football today.

Posted by: -pj- | September 11, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I've gone over to the dark side. For the first time in a long, long time, I have cable again. Mostly I've been watching PBS. Now, I have a lot more options. A lot more.

Posted by: -pj- | September 11, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

You go girl!

That is quite a rogue's gallery. Scarily, there is probably one future president in that list.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 11, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I promised pig racing.

I deliver pig racing.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 11, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I predict Kansas versus James Madison in the BCS Championship Game.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 11, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe North Dakota State against James Madison, yello.

Posted by: -pj- | September 11, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I bet even the guys on the Berlin Beer Bike are upset over the Georgia Tech loss.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 11, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I vote for San Bernadino State vs Plymouth State...

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 11, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Is the Berlin Beer Bike calibrated to burn the exact amount of calories while pedaling as you are consuming in beer? I suppose open container and DUI laws are more lax there as well.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 11, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how many calories they burn, but the beer bike can go pretty fast. Here is the info on it in case you are in Berlin and want to rent it for an afternoon.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 11, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all. I was pleased to see that September 11 here was marked, among other things, by several annual local festivals or fairs which just happened to coincide with the day. I think it is so fitting to go about our business, respectfully, mindfully, joyfully on this day.

Of course, I marked it with my usual food shopping and errands - but there's nothing wrong with celebrating a routine either. The Boy went to the OU/Florida State game with friends. OU seemed to have a good time.

ftb, my sincere condolences; and TBG, I too keep your sister, along with you, in my thoughts. Continued hugs to talitha.

You go, Cassandra!

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 11, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Yello, you jog memories. Our fine State Fair (opening soon at a state fairgrounds near you!) has pig races.

Rice has a Beer-Bike race. I think it was considerably altered when the drinking age was raised, but when we were there it was a full relay - beer team drank flat tallboys of beer, flourished the can to show every drop was gone, biker took off around the track. There were men and women's teams, or co-ed teams. Every now and then an "iron man" would do both - they always rode before drinking. Safety first, you know.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 11, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

ftb, my condolences on your friend.

TBG, you know your family is in my thoughts.

Did somebody say rhubarb pie? :)

Been cleaning for my cousin's visit next week, bought a small rechargeable drill today which I really like. Hanging hooks on the backs of doors, some new curtains, now finishing up de-caulking a tub then redoing it. Tomorrow, washing the living room furniture slipcovers and washing shower curtains and towels. I'm ready to move back into my room tonight, seems to be totally de-skunked.

I hear you, Talitha. Remember that in the midst of grief, small moments of great joy are also possible. Savor them. xoxo

Posted by: -dbG- | September 11, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

The Plant City Strawberry Festival used to have pig races as well. It doubled as the Hillsborough County Fair and was timed to the peak of the strawberry season in mid-February. The weather was always cool and brisk and the strawberry shortcakes at the main tent were incredible. Good times, good times.

The pigs I saw racing was at the Pigtown Festival in Baltimore. It only covered two block but in addition to the pig racing it had live music and great barbecue, presumably not the race losers. Here are some pictures from the festival and the neighborhood around it.

They also had a classic car show with some really great vehicles in it. As always my make and model recognition skills are sorely lacking. Everything except the Karmann Ghia is a mystery to me. Feel free to take a guess at them.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 11, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

But pj, will you want to watch any of those channels?

We have numbers up to 73 and watch only about eight, plus sports events.

Posted by: nellie4 | September 11, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Great question, nellie. I went from about 30 channels to several hundred. The main reason I got it was for sports. I like college football and the evil empire of ESPN owns most of that. More and more sporting events show up on other cable channels, too. I also missed C-SPAN, specifically BookTV, so it will be nice to have that back.

Posted by: -pj- | September 11, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Pigtown. The B&O Railroad Museum is always a treat. I remember back in the 90s when the roof collapsed under the snowload and it took quite a while and beaucoup bucks to fix it. Last time I was there was for some gala or the other when G.'s fife and drum corps were part of the entertainment. I was really impressed with the restoration and new exhibits.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 11, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

pj -- I did say sports events! We live in an area where one must have cable or else you watch nothing. We mainly watch the evening news, national and local -- and lots and lots of sports.

Posted by: nellie4 | September 11, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey folks, I've had a busy day too, so this will be just a flyby.

ftb, my heart and prayers are with you in the loss of your friend.

We went to the fair/barbeque in Mr. T's home community. It was bigger than it's ever been, they ran out of barbeque at 1 p.m. even though they ordered and cooked more meat than they have in the past. We were going to help Mr. T's brother, who is cleaning up the house for the next tenant. We didn't get over there, the whole tenth of a mile, for over three hours. So many people to see and catch up with. Not much cleaning got done, after a trip to Lowe's, but he will go back tomorrow and do more.

Talitha, hang tight, we're there with you all the way. Cassandra, rest well.

G'night all...

Posted by: slyness | September 11, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

If you ever find yourself desiring something else to toast on September 11th, yesterday was the 160th anniversary of Jenny Lind's American debut.

Posted by: Bob-S | September 12, 2010 1:46 AM | Report abuse

In general, I'm a fan of bonfires. Sacred texts, flags, churches/synagogues/mosques, multimillion-acre wildfires, whatever. I just like the sight of crackling flames. I could watch those films of atomic blasts all day long, too. And satellite views and on-the-ground footage of hurricanes are pretty cool.

I think it's better that I don't get to feed that particular fetish too often.

Posted by: Bob-S | September 12, 2010 2:22 AM | Report abuse

I really shouldn't be having a *headdesk* moment on a Sunday morning, but consider two grafs from the home page coverage of yesterday's ceremonies:

"The day's events offered a robust example of the tradition of free speech. In the capital a few hours later, a group of several hundred "tea party" activists paraded down Constitution Avenue, one carrying a sign of rebuttal: 'America Is Tired of Tolerance.'
As a show of solidarity with Jones, Randall Terry, of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, and an assistant tore out pages of a Koran in Lafayette Park across from the White House. The act was largely unnoticed by tourists who milled about, taking photographs."

I can take some solace from that final sentence, however.

I see EYE-gor is gonna keep the East Coast surfers busy next weekend, at least.

James Madison's win reminds me of when UNH beat Northwestern a few years ago, but then again JM hosts UNH next month. Hmmmmmm...

*less-than-six-hours-and-counting-'til-kickoff(s) Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 12, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning,friends. Getting ready for Sunday school and morning worship service, hope to see you there. Have a beautiful day. And love to all.

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Posted by: Scottynuke | September 12, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. There's a red car on the first line for the Monza GP, so something is right in the world.
Fall is in the air, it is a clear and cool morning. Good dy to make tomato sauce from yesterday's picking.

Futeball has started eh?

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | September 12, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all.

Hey, Snuke, was your first *headdesk* moment of the misspelling variety? ;) I'm tolerant of intolerance as a general rule these days but am wondering just which capital letter the teafolk were parading inside. A big triple "K", perhaps? The photo of Strom with his ghosts on the opinion page did little for my tastebuds this morning.

As for Randall Terry - Gad! and a big meh.

Onward into the day.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 12, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

It was more the "Yay for Intolerance" message, talitha... *SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 12, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I know - just a little peeve of mine. I learned 'capital vs capitol' in grade school. Hope you have a clear brow for the remainder of the day.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 12, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DNA_Girl | September 12, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

for DNA_girl and all boodlers.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 12, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Morning all... I didn't get a chance yesterday to report that rickoshea is doing GREAT! She's relaxed, comfortable and being taken care of in a nice rehab center near her home. She hopes to be sprung on Monday; her daughter is coming to visit and rickoshea can be released into her care.

I took along a delicious Thai lunch and a bottle of chilled white wine to share with her. When I was checking out at the Safeway with the wine and the plastic wine glasses, I mentioned to the cashier that I was visiting a friend in rehab and taking her some refreshments. She picked up the wine and said, "Are you sure you can bring her this?"

That's when I realized she thought I meant the Lindsay-Lohan type of rehab... not foot-surgery rehab!

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

TEEBEEGEE -- thank you for the update and your mission of goodwill....and very, very, very funny about the rehab word.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | September 12, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning surfer dudes.
Heading to west by god tis morning,gonna pay a little tribute to my sister tomorrow on the river we both loved.The Shawnee indian name for the river we love means "healing waters",I know I will never be completely healed from this,but getting the healing going is going to be nice.

My sister believed in reincarnation,when we were leaving the funeral home,a big hawk was flying around.The day after the funeral when my mother and I went to distribute all the flowers to our other relatives resting in the cemetary,there was a big hawk near my sisters resting spot.I really expect to see a hawk tomorrow.

Dang Scotty,you beat me to the EYEgor reference.You got to get up pretty early in the mornin,to beat you to the punch.

I am looking forward to the games today and really looking forward to the Ravens vs Jets on MNF.

Have a great day everyone!!!

Posted by: greenwithenvy | September 12, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle.

"America Is Tired of Tolerance"??? I can't think of a sicker, more disgusting, more offensive placard. I think the media ought to make a big deal out of that sign and that tea-partier.

Meanwhile, on the WaPo front page: "So why is the party of Lincoln is so easily dubbed the party of Strom Thurmond?" Is what hapenes is when is nobody is copy editing is the front page any more.

Oh, and...well. the party of Lincoln DID actually become the party of Strom Thurmond. Among other people, you can that that stalwart Republican Richard Nixon and a strategist named Harry Dent for that.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | September 12, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Lots of love to you, gwe. I know you'll enjoy the river... it will mean even more to you now, I'm sure.

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Morning all.

I've put my cane near my purse so I don't forget it, although because I'll be wearing dress pumps instead of sandals, I *know* I'll need it. I've also added a copious supply of tissues, because I *really know* I'm gonna need them.

Funny that I stopped watching the Michigan-Notre Dame game after ND went ahead with a few minutes to play in the 4th quarter, thinking that what was done was done. After reading in the Freep (Detroit Free Press online version) this morning that Michigan came back to win, I *knew* I shoulda stayed with it!

I'll be at the funeral for most of the Lions game, I suspect, but I hope they do well. And, of course, I'll be watching the Redskins game tonight. . . . albeit through some residual tears.

Posted by: ftb3 | September 12, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

ftb.. you remind me of the old joke about the man at the [fill in your favorite team] game, next to an empty seat. Asked about the empty seat, he explained that his wife had passed away.

When asked why he couldn't find someone to use her ticket, he said, "everyone else I know is at her funeral."

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all. Lotsa brunch fud on the table.

ftb, MrJS is a Michigan alum (masters and pee aitch dee), so there was no way we'd turn to another channel. He was quite pleased with the result.

As for the Lions-Bears game, I fear it's merely to determine which of the two teams finishes 3rd vs. 4th in the NFC North.

It's absolutely bee-you-tee-full in TWC today.

TBG, many thanks for the update on rickoshea. It will be great to have her home again soon.

Posted by: MsJS | September 12, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure greenwithenvy is near the river by now gazing at a hawk. I hope the hawk soars in plain view and inside a loving heart.

When my son's father died (near the Big Sur coast) we kept seeing, in the oddest of places, the huge pelicans that he loved. I sometimes think those pelicans were shadows and sunshine in our hearts, residual images flashing behind our eyes.

Also, I've related to you all that my daddy flew Stearman biplanes. There was an organized flyover at his memorial service - no surprise. But twice in the years since, at my nephew's wedding and at my mother's 75th birthday, a lone Stearman flew overheard ..... totally unsummoned and "out of the blue". *smile*

Posted by: talitha1 | September 12, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Scotty, bc, TBG, Tess, et al.: 1 hour and 8 minutes.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | September 12, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Mea culpa, I think. *sheepish grin*

This morning when I posted to Scottynuke about the tea-party sign I had either misread the paragraph he referenced (I'd read it at 7:00ish) or it has since been edited. I could have sworn it said 'In the capital .....' making it sound like 'in the building', not parading 'on Constitution Avenue' as it now reads.

Apologies to Snuke ..... I'll have one more cuppa next time. :~]

Posted by: talitha1 | September 12, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

That Buskers song was so delightful. It reminded me of this bittersweet short film by Neil Gaiman starring Bill Nighy and Amanda Effing Palmer.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I haven't read the piece, but the teaser says, "Conservatism doesn't equal racism."

Not anymore it doesn't, but it used to. "Conservatism" means to fight change. During the Civil Rights movement, change meant no more Jim Crow.

Now that we have moved past that, for the most part, "conservatism" would mean keeping the rights that have been won--not reverting back to the old days. That's not "conservatism," that's "racism."

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

On the Maryland and Delaware beaches, surf should begin to rise Thursday, best wind conditions Friday afternoon, bigger surf Saturday, and declining through Tuesday. Looks like it'll be spectacular from North Carolina through New England.

Florida's timing is (surprisingly) not much different, but we seem to have problems with onshore wind. Offshore is much preferable. Could be 12 foot or more waves at Sebastian Inlet.

All subject to the hurricane following the most-used wave model.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | September 12, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Dave... your post about the rising ocean reminded me of the movie we watched last night: Ponyo. Great Japanese animation and cute characters and story.

Movie trailer:

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

And if you need to know who Amanda Palmer is (as I once did), this is probably the most worksafe videos you will find from her.

In a way, it is a celebration of football.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

One source of amusement to me (and it is documented that I am very easily amused) is the change to headlines between the deadtrees and online versions of the same article. For example, the printed headline for this article:

is the far more accurate:

"Credibility of BP oil spill is questioned"

Really? Ya think? Truly No-Duh worthy.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

15 minutes... :-)

GWE, I hope it's a healing day for you, and I'd gladly give up being first to the punch, if only my habits would let me.

Many thanks for the update, TBG!!! :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 12, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

What to do on a rainy afternoon? I may go down to see if BigBoxOfBooks(AndMusic) has the Bruce Springsteen 'London Calling' DVD in stock. And while I am there, I will check to see if they can beat the BigMailBoxOfBooks(AndJustAboutAnything) price on the newest Carl Hiaasen and William Gibson novels.

If only there were something else to watch on TV today. I guess there is always Series 2 of 'Skins', which oddly is about neither pick-up games against 'Shirts' nor an expose on a certain ethnically insensitively named sporting franchise.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"Credibility of BP oil spill is questioned"

Does that mean it might not have happened, that it was all a big hoax like the moon landings?

Mr. A, say it ain't so!

Posted by: MsJS | September 12, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

My bad. A transcription error since it wasn't the headline which could be cut and pasted:

"Credibility of BP oil spill study is questioned"

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

gwe, I must have missed your sad news. My condolences to you and your family.

Interesting article here about Jim Crow days. Wonder how many tea partiers know about that?

I got called by an opinion research firm yesterday. They asked about the Washington state Senate race, then asked if I was in favor of or opposed to the Tea Party movement (opposed! very!).

I tried to read that opinion piece about why conservatives are not bigots. He seemed to discount the Nixon involvement, and claimed that liberals are the real bigots. Afraid I wasn't convinced.

Posted by: seasea1 | September 12, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

gwe, that was a lovely post about the hawk.

ftb, I hope this makes you smile on a difficult day, I was very quickly backboodling and saw the mention of the funeral an the Lions in the same sentence and miss read it as there was a funeral for the lions games - given their season last year did not seem out of the realm of possibilty.

Posted by: dmd3 | September 12, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I see that Claude Chabrol has died in Paris. I credit him, as well as Truffault and Godard, for whatever small sense of style and timing I may possess. I'm not sure that la nouvelle vauge had many more passionate admirers at the age of nine than young Yoki.

Posted by: Yoki | September 12, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

That story was very good Seasea. I found the revisionist "Conservatives aren't racist" story full of doublethink in the extreme. Paraphrased examples:

Nixon didn't appeal to southern bigots as part of a Southern Strategy because he didn't need their votes to win anyways.

Ronald Reagan's code talk about welfare queens would mean that the Great Society worked.

We shouldn't allow the Burlington Coat Factory Mosque because Muslims need to become more American like Irish and Italians did.

The last sentiment is also echoed in the item by Tariq Ramadan asserting that Muslims just need to assimilate better and all the hatred will go away.

There is clearly an organized disinformation campaign going on about the right and racism which makes me wonder why. Are they genuinely trying to repudiate the extreme factions of their base or is it an appeal to the center saying 'watch what we say, not what we do'?

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

yello, thank you, thank you for "Statuesque".
I'm still trembling a bit inside.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 12, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

seasea wrote: "Interesting article here about Jim Crow days. Wonder how many tea partiers know about that?"

I don't know how many tea partiers know about The Green Book but I can assure you that any of them over the age of 55 can remember the Jim Crow days. The litany of injustices I witnessed (I was 13 when the Civil Rights Act passed) is long and revolting to recall. Those tea nuts haven't forgotten - they want 'their country' back, remember?

Posted by: talitha1 | September 12, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Gwe, I'm sorry I missed it when you told the boodle. My condolences to you and your family. I love the hawk's appearance!

Posted by: -dbG- | September 12, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all. Many hugs and a song to gwe, and I bet that hawk is there even if it is soaring too high for you to see.

The Cowboys/Redskins game is anticipated among the Ivansclan too, though perhaps with a different desired outcome. My offer to practice my new new accordion during the game was not well recieved.

This weekend I am enjoying the first batch of fresh-roasted green chiles from the farmers' market. Yum.

This morning we rejoiced in lots and lots of rain. Really, lots of it. It was pouring down a leak next to a stained-glass window in church. The black-suited ushers spent most of the service stanching the water with towels (from, I think, the altar guild and sacristy) and wringing them out in a mop bucket.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 12, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The drone from the vintage B-17 flying out of Leesburg this weekend is almost enough to make me close the windows on the pleasant weather so I can focus on the games...


Posted by: Scottynuke | September 12, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

That was definitely a sign from whatever power controls those things we don't understand.

My foray to BigBoxOfBooks went exactly as I predicted. 'Lucky Star' was no longer on NewBookDiscount and 'Zero History' was still more expensive than online even if I joined the SuperBonusClub for $20. So I will be buying those both online since they qualify for free shipping and I am in no hurry to get them since I still have 250 pages of 'System Of The World' to go.

But I was able to use my RegularBonusClub 33% off coupon on the Springsteen concert DVD. Only in the checkout line they had a giant pink coffee table book on The Clash. I am a sucker for Clash bios. I have at least a half dozen, none of which I've read. So I essentially spent my 'savings' on an impulse purchase. But at least now I have three hours of Broooce to keep me entertained on a Sunday afternoon.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I gave up on buying books a while ago. My local library is a pleasant stroll away when I reeeeeeeally want a physical tome. That or I borrow from a friend.

Otherwise, I avail myself of the enormous audio collection thru the LoC and other sources. BigBoxofBooks has finally taken me off its mailing list, for which I am grateful.

Posted by: MsJS | September 12, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

gwe, I think I also missed the sad news. I wish you many good memories and lots of hawks.

Having a lazy and tired day but trying to pull myself together as it is "S"'s birthday. I made a cake and we're going out for ice cream after the football game.

Posted by: badsneakers | September 12, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

*did someone mention i scream?*

sneaks, with jimmies?

Posted by: MsJS | September 12, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Who's sneakin' the jimmies around here? *hands on hips* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 12, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The DEN-JAX game is "delayed due to lightning"...


Posted by: Scottynuke | September 12, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse


CBS decides to switch away from CIN-NE for the end of the MIA-BUF game...


Posted by: Scottynuke | September 12, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

One of the highlights of this Springsteen DVD is where Brian Fallon of Gaslight Anthem comes out and duets with Bruce on 'No Surrender'. Such a good-looking clean-cut heavily-tattooed kid. It was seeing an online clip of this performance that caught my attention about the band, leading to see them at the 930 Club where I ran into that ever so hip boodler, bc.

So what's the score?

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

NY Giants vs Panthers playing on our box. NY up 31-16 in the 4th ... and it's been raining in the Meadowlands. (you can take the boy out of the Bronx, but ...)

Posted by: talitha1 | September 12, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm trying to cut way back on my book buying habit mostly because I have no more space to put them. I've only bought two non-travel books in the past six months. It's just that Hiaasen and Gibson are both authors of whom I have nearly all their hardbacks, so it's hard to stop now.

I'm also a sucker for Neal Stephenson except that I still have to buy the paperback of his books because reading the hardcover in bed is to risk injury if you fall asleep and it slips out of your hand.

Other must-buys are Sue Grafton, Christopher Buckley, and of course, Kurt Vonnegut who has been surprisingly posthumously prolific.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Are the Eagles' jerseys a lighter color green than they used to be? Or is that my imagination?

Posted by: -pj- | September 12, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Lighter shade of green, that is. Different from a lighter shade of pale:

Posted by: -pj- | September 12, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm back. And I gotta tell you that it was the funniest funeral I've ever been to, interspersed with some tears, of course, but I was prepared. It was standing room only, as I had predicted, and I met with some people I knew, which was nice.

The stories told about him were tremendously moving to me, especially about his exceptional parenting skills. On each of their 16th birthdays, he took each of his daughters up to NYC for a Broadway show. When they were 5, and wanted to go to tea, he took them and their friends to Mrs. K's Tollhouse and had tea with them. He took his sons to every sports event in existence. When he made a promise, he kept it, no matter what.

In comparison with the constipated parenting I got, hearing this about my dear friend was like an imaginary world. He doted on his grandchildren (all ten of them) like he doted on his children. I am so proud to have been a dear and loving friend -- among all his dear and loving friends around the world. You know how (usually) teenagers say "I want to be like him/her!" Well, I haven't been a teenager for around 50 years, and I definitely want to be like him! And in many respects, I find that I am.

As a lawyer and as a legal tactician, he could not be beat -- he was simply brilliant. But he was also generous in time, in substance and in spirit. He and his wife (a retired federal judge, who also served on the War Crimes Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in The Hague), celebrated 58 years of marriage in June. Hard to beat that number.

I miss him terribly and will hear his voice in years to come. His sense of humor definitely coincided with mine and we traded funny emails with each other all the time. Where do I send them now?

I feel honored and blessed to have known him, and humbled, as well. What a guy!

And, alas, the Lions lost to Chicago, but not by much, so there's no real loss of dignity. May the Redskins do well and beat the bejesus outta Dallas. Not that I'm biased or anything.

Posted by: ftb3 | September 12, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Stephenson is routinely stabbing me in my heart. Literally, not figuratively. Although I put aside Anathem for the Tiptree bio. Which is good, because Stephenson packs a lot in the opening which requires thought and digestion. I will be better for setting it aside, unlike what often happens.

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 12, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Not being far into it, I don't think I could give away much to say I expect tea-partiers to appear in Anathem when I resume it.

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 12, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to hog, but it's appropriate now to mention the Tiptree / Sheldon bio is enormous, (psychically), important, and highly recommended.

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 12, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Run out of room, yello? what is this "space" for books of which you speak? Do you not have floors? You're talking some kinda foreign language here.

I need to get back to reading and re-reading Stephenson. Sometime this summer I began re-reading all the Michael Innes Sir John Appleby books - at least the ones I have, which may be all of them. Splendidly written, mostly.

This is a damp, cool, almost-fall day, and I am cooking commensurate with the weather. I baked an apple crisp to use up the old apples. Rather than roast chicken, I'm making Grandmaw Peacock's Chicken and Rice, from Peacock & Lewis's The Gift of Southern Cooking. It is a little more work than roast chicken (almost anything is) but not much, and will make a nice change. Because we are all fancified here I will skim the fat and remove the skin and most of the bones after the chicken cooks, before I add the rice.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 12, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

EWWW yello, you are going to buy another Grafton after that one where there was that problem with the arm and the car door? Not me, she done me in with that one.

Posted by: nellie4 | September 12, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse


Did you see this article about an atheist putting up a billboard in Oklahoma?

Nice to see one of the local pastors coming close to equating liberals with the devil himself!

Posted by: -pj- | September 12, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Ivansmom, I do heart you. I have almost all the Appleby books (as well as other Innes and yes, even some J.I.M. Stuart), many of them in the original green-and-white Penguin soft-cover editions bought by my parents in England. I am missing and trying to track down the non-Appleby "From London Far" and "The Man who Won the Pools."

To you I say "hay-ho!"

Posted by: Yoki | September 12, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Since I put a flatscreen in the living room, we don't use the family room anymore, so I'm thinking of donating the furniture in there to my son's fraternity and installing those high density rolling shelves they have in the National Archives storage center.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Want to test your typing speed?

Posted by: nellie4 | September 12, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

There are times that I don't understand our current President. At those times, I search for understanding about his thinking.

I don't have to any more. According to the intellectual leader of the Republican Party, it is simple

In his soul, he is a Kenyan fighting to throw off the oppression of white colonial rule.


Posted by: baldinho | September 12, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

In a world filled with sphincters of incredibly large diameter (SILDs), there always has to be one that is the largest.

Thanks, Newt.

I bet he makes a few million off his latest video or book, despite only a few thousand being sold.

Posted by: baldinho | September 12, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

ftb, your friend was obviously an extraordinary man with a legacy of joy to pass along. You know that someone like that never really leaves the earth because he lives on in those who knew and learned from him. Platitudes over ... I wish you peace and a few more laughs even in your sorrow today.

Posted by: talitha1 | September 12, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Uh, Spoiler Alert!? I just said I buy them. I haven't actually read any past G or H. I have a little catching up to do. If I were really serious, I woul pony up some big bucks for the first editions of A-E which are before she hit the bestsellers lists and go for a pretty penny.

And add Nick Hornby and Neil Gaiman to the sucker-buy list. According to his website, Gibson will be at Politics and Prose on Sept 26. Is there still a P&P to go to?

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey-ho to you too, Yoki! I have some green-and-white Penguins, but really all sorts. Don't have the two you mentioned, only"Journeying Boy".

Yellojkt, that sounds like an excellent furniture plan to me.

That was a fun article, pj. For that particular church, liberals very possibly are devils. One state legislator this year did ask for a Muslim to open the daily session with a prayer, but he got in trouble. Guess which party he was. I'd just note that self-identification as "Christian" here does not necessarily mean people either attend church every week (though the percentage is higher than elsewhere) or are particularly religious. Also, our teen pregnancy and divorce rates are very high, as are our domestic violence and child abuse rates, and percentage of population in prison. There may be some disconnect here between calling oneself "Christian" and living the values professed by Christ.

Thunder here.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 12, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse


Isn't Grafton up to S or T by now? Asking for a spoiler alert when that far behind is a bit much, I think.

Anybody looking forward to Keith Richards's autobiography coming out next month? It could be a lot of fun.

Posted by: -pj- | September 12, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, my favorite is still "Appleby's End". I think it is the combination of humor, mystery and really tremendously good writing. The opening few pages, describing the train ride, are worth the price of admission alone.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 12, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I own up to T (dirty secret: I wait for them to be remaindered as they inevitably are), but she may be as far as DD by now.

And Rosebud is the name of the sled.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

TBG, only in a Miyazaki animation could the sea engulf part of the coast, then gently leave everything just as it was. A bit like "Spirited Away" where the flat countryside beneath the Bathhouse of the Gods floods, leaving the train to pass through the water. And of course that movie had a river dragon or whatever. "Ponyo" lacked epic vomiting and was as lyric as anything Miyazaki ever did.

Assuming things go according to current predictions, the Igor swell should be a very big event.

Hurricanes far from land produce big swells with long periods--there's a good deal of time between waves, maybe 13-18 seconds. Another characteristic is groups of jumbo-sized waves, the sort that surprise those who get lulled by long series of smaller ones.

There's a possibility of enormous waves at Reef Road in Palm Beach, if the swell comes from the narrow "window" that isn't blocked by the Bahamas. Palm Beach County has almost no continental shelf, so on the rare occasions that an open-ocean swell hits, the results are spectacular. Almost Hawaiian.

Farther north, the continental shelf increasingly limits wave size, and there's also problems with "close out", meaning waves break all at once across a broad front. No shoulder to ride.

Offshore limestone reefs from about Sebastian Inlet southward can make for interesting waves. During hurricane Earl, the ocean off Disney's Vero Beach Resort looked vaguely like Waikiki with big, gentle waves, while a non-reefy area just north had shorebreak for bodyboarders.

Sebastian Inlet itself has a semicircular shoal offshore that often yields surf. In this case, you tend to see personal watercraft (the noisy motorcycle-like things) accompanying friends with surfboards, kayaks, and a few guys with longboards who are very good paddlers.

North of Sebastian through Satellite Beach, there's possibly a few special spots, but the bottom is almost entirely sand.

Waves can reach about 12 feet/2 meters. That's not terribly big by Pacific coast standards, but very different from what we're used to. Smart surfers are very careful about where they go, and tend to come home with bruised and exhausted anyway.

Safety doesn't seem to be a big problem on hurricane days. The general public pay attention to warnings. Large numbers of lifeguard rescues seem to happen with relatively modest surf accompanied by lots of rip currents.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | September 12, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

She's up to DD, yello? Keep your mind out of the gutter!

Posted by: -pj- | September 12, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Actually she is up to U. I'm just extrapolating what the 30th book in the series would be called.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

To be serious for a moment, I thought I read that Grafton would take the series up to Z and then stop. Does that sound familiar?

Posted by: -pj- | September 12, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Here's Joel's visit to the relief drilling rig at the Deepwater Horizon spill, featuring the captain who goes surfing in San Diego when he's off. Good choice of locale.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | September 12, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, do you think the thunder was in answer to your description of the "Christians" in OK?

Just back from having ice cream. It was too cold to sit or stand outside with it so we ate in the car. Grey sky, chill winds and the t-shirt stores all have their 'sale' signs up - must be the end of summer here :-(

Posted by: badsneakers | September 12, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh, sorry yello. I always thought people *read* books.

Be careful if you are hoarding them, a large stack can fall on you and do considerable damage to your infrastructure.

Posted by: nellie4 | September 12, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that Newt is now a birther.

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 12, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

That's one of the great things about books. You don't have to own them to enjoy them. I don't buy many these days and have donated many to the free library of Philadelphia. I try to take a few every time I go. They charge the buyer $.25 a book, not much but one more thing is out of the house and some benefit to one of my favorite charities.

Still cleaning. Washed some walls that the dogs brush up against, may take Tuesday off to finish before my cousin comes on Thursday.

Have a good night, all!

Posted by: -dbG- | September 12, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Nellie, one of the first things we taught the Boy was never, ever to pull himself up on or climb on bookcases.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 12, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Dave... I found Ponyo much brighter, both visually and story-wise, than Spirited Away. No scary parts in Ponyo, even when the sea was rising and heaving.

I did love both movies. If you haven't seen Ponyo, it's on Netflix Watch Instantly. Tina Fey plays the mom and her singsong voice seems perfect with the Japanese animation.

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I went through my old film pictures and found my photos from the inaugural 2001 National Book Festival including this shot of Sue Grafton:

The set also includes Kinky Friedman flagrantly violating the Library of Congress no-smoking rules.

Through the miracle of fading memory, good Google skilz and NCIS-level 'enhance', I was able to identify all but one author, this guy:

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

That's a familiar face. Name? Someone knows it. Even I could come up with it for a biscuit.

Posted by: Jumper1 | September 12, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I had lunch with friends the other day, and someone mentioned Sue Grafton, and I said, what happens when she gets to Z? My friend said Grafton's about maybe it's not a problem? Well.

Great minds think alike, sort of:

Posted by: seasea1 | September 12, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Ha! I remember the Kinkster interviewed on BookTV during that festival, yello. The man is great fun.

Posted by: -pj- | September 12, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and judging by that picture, my friend is wrong! Ok, she's 70 - plenty of time to write more books. Maybe she'll switch to numbers...or kanji...

Posted by: seasea1 | September 12, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Daughter was born nearly two weeks past her due date. I spent those two weeks on the couch reading Sue Grafton. I'm surprised my daughter's name isn't Kinsey Milhone G.

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Were we earlier talking about famous quotes?

Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.
Kinky Friedman

Posted by: baldinho | September 12, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

The Lion King:Kimba::Finding Nemo:Ponyo

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

You left out Little Mermaid, yello.

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

"Spirited Away" indeed gets into very dark stuff--parents being turned into pigs, the prospect of never escaping the Bathhouse, weird/nasty gods, weird/nasty Czech witch, having to negotiate with the witch's twin...

Ponyo's problems may be of greater overall importance, but the movie as a whole has nowhere near the anxiety level.

As for getting past Z, hurricanes did that in 2005.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | September 12, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

The radish ghost in 'Spirited Away' freaked *me* out. In Japan we were eating at a restaurant between lunch and dinner and one of the chefs was prepping a monster radish. I had a bad Miyazaki induced flashback.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Ah, yello. Yet another reason I like the Boodle. I don't suppose there are that many of us who not only could have a Miyazaki-induced flashback, but could post it on a blog knowing that others would understand and sympathize. And here we are.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 12, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I thought the Redskins would lose, but that is an extraordinary surprise!

Posted by: -pj- | September 12, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Exactly TBG. Dreadful call by the Cowboys. And a good time to head off to bed.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | September 12, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. I'm just not used to cheering.

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

WOW! after a half of dink dink football, the redskinks score on a double dink.

Posted by: bh72 | September 12, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Now, see -- I was just thinking how cool it would be to get them to fumble, pick up the ball and go into the end zone (and flipping).


Now, unfortunately, I'm wiped out, so I'm gonna turn in and miss the second half. However, I'm feelin' optimistic.

Posted by: ftb3 | September 12, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Nice being on the left coast, too early to turn in. The sun is still shinning on top of Jjacksonville hill across the way.

Posted by: bh72 | September 12, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: nellie4 | September 12, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm quilting! Such as it is...the craft class does a quilt every year for the fall carnival/festival. This is my first time actually putting needle to layers of cloth. I brought home one of the three pieces Friday, with the goal of finishing it by next Friday. We'll see how far I get. My work is so-so at best, but I think it will be okay.

I did a lot of the cutting and measuring, others did the piecing, by machine, but we're quilting by hand. Lots of math involved, which is a challenge for this English major.

But I'd love to win this quilt in the raffle.

You may return to your regularly schedule football blogging now.

Posted by: slyness | September 12, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

bh, you got me to get up and look out the window to see if the sun is shining here. It seems to be just down on the other side of the hill behind us.

You get to see the sun, living up there in the north country. I remember living near Bremerton, Washington and my kids playing outside until 10:00pm.

Posted by: nellie4 | September 12, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure your work will be lovely, slyness. With love and heart, how can it not be?

Good luck in the raffle, too!

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

It is 8:30 here and has just gone to full dark. It was only a short month or six weeks ago that it was still light at 10:30. Portents!

Posted by: Yoki | September 12, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean you'd be unwilling to sell raffle tickets to other boodlers, slyness? What if we promise not to win?

Posted by: -dbG- | September 12, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

What kinda of kick was that?

Posted by: bh72 | September 12, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

The evening fall colors getting rich now. The lawn looks greener than the football turf on TV

Posted by: bh72 | September 12, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Does mudge still have his game face on? Gotta suck it up

Posted by: bh72 | September 12, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone else disturbed by the cop/Taser commercial for DirecTV?

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

When Daughter was around two years old, we taught her the sign for touchdown and she would happily throw her hands in the air when we yelled "Touchdown!"

But we also taught her the hand signals for "Holding" and "Illegal man downfield."

Great parlor trick.

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah that taser commercial is sick and i don't know what it's promoting.

Posted by: bh72 | September 12, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

bh, yes, I still have my game face on...but it's in triple pucker mode.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | September 12, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Love that TBG, we taught our girls the touchdown sign really early, made it much easier when we had to dress or undress them - Touchdown! :-)

Posted by: dmd3 | September 12, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Two more minutes.

Posted by: bh72 | September 12, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

late to the boodle, as usual. arrived home from MBSC after attending the monument builders convention. i pass along my condolences to ftb and gwe, along with good thoughts and the hope that things reach a state of relative normalcy soon. good thoughts to you and your sister, as well, TBG, and to all of the boodle.

kudos to JMU.

here's hoping that the 'skins are victorious this evening.

laundry beckons...

Posted by: -jack- | September 12, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

I think these complete passes are better for us than incompletes at this point. Keep that clock rolling the time outs spending.

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

jack... I thought you said you were at the monument boodlers convention and I was wondering why we all weren't there.

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

34 seconds. My puckers have puckers.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | September 12, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

What's puckering now?///

Posted by: bh72 | September 12, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

One more play?

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | September 12, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

OK.. one more play.

Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

I suggest we hurry up and put 15 men on the field.

Maybe 16,

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | September 12, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: -TBG- | September 12, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Jeez. The strangle hold on Arakpo wins it. Who woulda thunk.

It's gonna take 10 or 15 minutes for my puckers to unpucker.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | September 12, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

How about a heart attack and then TV replays to revive!

Posted by: bh72 | September 12, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Hoe sweet it is! The Redskins are back.

Posted by: bh72 | September 12, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

OK Washington, nice win...we'll talk again around Christmas.

Posted by: teddymzuri | September 12, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile It's totally black here now and a brush fire is burning in Gold Hill and taking out some persons homes.

Posted by: bh72 | September 12, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

What a final half minute, Romo throws twice to the Redskins defenders and then with not time left a touchdown to the corner of the end zone. Hollywood anybody? Oh! a holding penally?
How do they draw these games up?

Posted by: bh72 | September 12, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

WaPo has the headline already

Posted by: bh72 | September 12, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

So, how 'bout them local sports teams?

Posted by: Yoki | September 12, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Personal note to ftb: f, I want you to know that I picked the Lions to upset today, which would have been a truly brilliant pick. But they lost -- on perhaps the worst call in the entire history of football.

Not that I'm bitter.

The other ones I can live with. But I soooooo had that one. (I even had the Texans...but Detroit was the one I really wanted.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | September 13, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

The Dowager Duchess of Devonshire, the last of the Mitford sisters, talks about her extraordinary life.....

Posted by: rainforest1 | September 13, 2010 2:16 AM | Report abuse

And what a crazy witch she is. I love the Mitford "girls."

Posted by: Yoki | September 13, 2010 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Even Diana the Nazi?

Posted by: yellojkt | September 13, 2010 5:11 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, that call in the Lions game made me briefly wish that the looming NFL lockout lasts a long long time. Horrible.

Posted by: baldinho | September 13, 2010 5:32 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning, friends. TBG, glad to hear rickoshea is on the mend, and that she's on her way home. Thanks for the update.

Up and away, Dawn Patrol. It is Monday, folks. I'm looking for the housing folks this morning, so up early to meet them head on. I hope that won't be necessary. I just want a refrigerator that works! The days are counting down before the real work begins. The after-school program at the church will begin Tuesday, and then Tuesday and Thursday of each week. Of course, I will still attend the Center on Wednesday and Thursday. I hope this isn't going to be too much for me. You think?

To all those that have sent school supplies, thank you so very much. Pray for us in this endeavor, and bless you all.

Slyness, the weather person is talking cool this morning. Now there's a word I haven't heard in reference to weather in a long time. I wonder if it means I need a sweater? That would be nice.

Have a blessed day, folks, and love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | September 13, 2010 5:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm putting some pomegranate juice mixed into a large pitcher of orange, seed bread and honey on the Ready Room table. Along with Cassandra's blessings, that makes a fine breakfast.

Good night, all.

Posted by: Yoki | September 13, 2010 5:51 AM | Report abuse

Morning all! :-)

Quite the football day all around -- NukeSpouse, bc and I enjoyed the late games accompanied by some tasty adult beverages, entirely adequate munchies and hilarious people-watching commentary. I think my hearing has recovered from the cheer that went up last night for the Hall fumble recovery as the first half ended. If not, my upcoming pilgramage to see Lee, Lifeson & Peart will certainly leave my ears ringing for a month.

*what-is-taking-Friday-so-long-to-get-here Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 13, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, did you ever go to bed last night? You were up awfully early!

Cassandra, that's quite a schedule you have mapped out. Don't let it wear you down.

Good morning, all, and happy Monday. Yes, as Cassandra says, much cooler around here. We can walk in the dark and cool at 0600 hours and not be hot and sweaty when we get home, it's very nice.

I didn't do any housework last week, so I have to dive in today. Actually, I didn't do any housework *here*; I did clean the fridge and all five of the toilets at my mother-in-law's house Saturday. Mr. T's brother owns it now and is preparing for new tenants, who will arrive October 1...

dbG, if you want raffle tickets, I'll send you some!

Posted by: slyness | September 13, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

'Morning everybody. Very gray and chilly here this morning. TBG, I completely agree with you about that DirecTV ad, first time I saw it I was astounded that it was even allowed on the air. Inappropriate does not begin to describe it.

Long week ahead so know what you mean Scotty. Looking forward to tennis when I get home from work today.

Posted by: badsneakers | September 13, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Hey ... drive by hello to you all. Already had two meetings and now settling in to get work done done done. And done.

Posted by: russianthistle | September 13, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, that Lions call was just ridiculous. The NFL for years now has been absurdly strict on what a catch is. That was the worst example I've ever seen.

As for Skins-Cowboys: Very happy about that, but has anyone ever seen a game decided by a game-ending penalty? Where if the flag isn't thrown, one team wins, but with the flag, the other team wins? I haven't seen that.

Oh, new kit coming shortly. Just waiting for editaurs to post it.

Posted by: joelache | September 13, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Editaurs! Thanks, Joel. That smile was a great way to start my day.

Posted by: Ivansmom | September 13, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Joel... you have to say "Where if the flag isn't thrown, one team wins BY CHEATING, but with the flag, the other team wins BECAUSE THE GUY HELD AND THE REF SAW HIM?

Posted by: -TBG- | September 13, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Editaurs are the far more cantankerous cousins of the minotaur...


Posted by: Scottynuke | September 13, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the Kit is up. :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | September 13, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

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