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Deepwater Horizon and technological catastrophes

[My story in the Post's special energy section.]

BP's internal report on the causes of the Deepwater Horizon blowout, released earlier this month, summarized the calamity as the result of eight separate breaches of physical and operational barriers, any one of which could have, and should have, stopped the unfolding disaster. The blowout, in the BP scenario, was very much a freak event. A long shot.

A graphic in the report showed the barriers arrayed like eight slices of Swiss cheese. All the holes, the report states, "lined up" to enable the blowout:

"[A] complex and interlinked series of mechanical failures, human judgments, engineering design, operational implementation and team interfaces came together to allow the initiation and escalation of the accident."

There is a different, and simpler, way to describe what happened: They weren't careful enough.

For the can-do culture of petroleum engineers, this catastrophe should heighten respect for the way bad things can happen to what looks like proven technology. Oil drilling is a risky business, and deep-water drilling is riskier still. Depth matters. And as the industry went deeper, it didn't commensurately increase its safety margin -- or prepare for the worst-case scenario.

On land, on sea, in the air, in space, in our laboratories, on our farms, we are surrounded by technologies of increasing complexity, all of them vulnerable, at some level, to catastrophes of human origin. Engineers do amazing things, but they aren't always as smart as they think, nor their systems as robust as they seem on paper.

The more complex the job, the more potential infiltration points for gremlins.

"We believed that the blowout preventer was the ultimate fail-safe mechanism," BP CEO Tony Hayward testified before Congress in June, bringing to mind the captain of the Titanic, believing that his ship was unsinkable.

Charles Perrow, in his seminal book on technological disasters, "Normal Accidents," writes, "We have produced designs so complicated that we cannot anticipate all the possible interactions of the inevitable failures; we add safety devices" -- think blowout preventers -- "that are deceived or avoided or defeated by hidden paths in the system."

His argument is that such accidents, though rare, are integral characteristics of the system, with its interlinked components. That's what happened here.

The pivotal moment came late on the afternoon and into the early evening of April 20. The Horizon crew conducted two pressure tests to look for any signs of hydrocarbons flowing in the well, which had already been cemented. For reasons that remain somewhat murky -- most of the key figures either have refused to testify or died in the explosion -- the BP "company man" and the Transocean crew decided that the results of the pressure tests were benign.

As in many industrial accidents involving complex technology, they were trying to interpret something they couldn't see directly -- what was happening below the bottom of the sea. The critical hardware, the blowout preventer, was a mile deep.

The pressure tests showed pressure on the drillpipe, a strong sign of a possible leak in the cement job. But when another valve was opened, on what is known as the "kill line," nothing flowed out of the well. That seemed like a good result. Except the kill line could merely have been clogged with gunk. The gunk was "spacer fluid" sent down the well to flush out heavy mud and allow seawater to replace it.

That's a normal procedure -- except this time, a double "pill" of spacer was used, twice as much as is standard. BP approved the plan by the mud engineer to send down this double-size batch of goo. It appears that the huge amount of spacer fluid was a classic shortcut: The fluid had already been mixed, and under the environmental regulations any fluid not used would have to be hauled to shore for proper disposal -- unless it was used in the wellbore. Down the well it went, so that, when it came back up, it could be dumped into the Gulf of Mexico.

The spacer, BP said in its report, might have clogged the kill line and created a confusing pressure reading.

Whether BP (and/or its contractors) were criminally negligent is the subject of a Justice Department investigation. BP made much-criticized decisions in well design but maintains that the design was not a factor in the blowout. A BP spokesman said last week that all the information about the well obtained through efforts to kill it "leads us to believe conclusively that the well design did not contribute to this accident."

BP also decided against running a time-consuming "cement bond log" test that might have detected flaws in the cement job. The company's report acknowledges that the well team should have done more risk analysis.

BP's industry competitors will favor the simple explanation that this was a catastrophe caused by a single bad actor, a company with a sketchy safety record. These companies spent the summer throwing BP under a bus as though it were a boardwalk game. They want to get back to deep-water drilling. Policymakers will have to ponder the fact that these other companies use the same contractors as BP, the same kind of technology, the same line of blowout preventers, etc.

Bob Dudley, BP's incoming CEO, said to NPR this summer, "We have been drilling for 20 years in the Gulf of Mexico without an accident." But past performance does not guarantee future results. And deep-water drilling is still a frontier enterprise.

There are 37,441 wells in the Gulf of Mexico, about two-thirds of which have been permanently abandoned, according to the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement. Of those, only 2,089 wells are in water 1,000 feet or deeper.

The Macondo well was drilled in 5,067 feet of water, putting it in what is known, bureaucratically, as "ultra-deep water" -- anything deeper than 5,000 feet. There are only 410 ultra-deep-water wells in the gulf, according to the federal government. That's not a huge number.

In shallow water wells, the blowout preventer often sits on the rig during the drilling process. In deep-water wells, the BOP is on the seafloor. You can't put on scuba gear and dive to 5,000 feet. The only way to tinker with the BOP is with remotely operated vehicles, but that's not the same as being able to walk right up and fiddle with the kill line to see if it's clogged with gunk.

"We have found no evidence in our assessment and investigation of this accident to suggest that costs were any part of how this occurred," Hayward said Sept. 15.

But all decisions in the drilling business are made with cost in mind.

"We're a business," BP executive David Sims testified this summer before a government investigative panel. "We have shareholders. Our job responsibility is to be fiscally responsible. . . . Every decision has some cost factor."

Edward Tenner, a historian of technology and author of "Why Things Bite Back," said in an interview that BP's own report acknowledges multiple failures of design, organization, maintenance and judgment. "As with every other major disaster, identifying these flaws will help define a new set of best practices," Tenner said. "The real question is whether the new rigor will be sustained and enhanced after the outrage fades."

What we thought we were seeing, in the summer of the spill, was a worst-case scenario unfolding in front of us. But there are even more dire scenarios out there. Blowouts can happen in many ways, some of them creating, potentially, multiple leaks from the seafloor, a situation not readily fixed. It's not inconceivable that an oil field deep in the rock could effectively bleed out.

Unlikely, sure. But catastrophes are always hard to imagine until the very moment you are up to your eyeballs in one.

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By Joel Achenbach  | October 1, 2010; 9:12 AM ET
 
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This disastrhoochie now has it's own convention. What's next, bobblehead dolls?

This was in my inbox just this morning:

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View the digital version of the CLEAN GULF final training program or register today

Posted by: Don_from_I-270 | October 1, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

*waving @ Don*

Posted by: MsJS | October 1, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

As much as I would like to attend CLEAN GULF, I don't think I can swing it. I'm having a hard enough time convincing my wife that next year's DragonCon would make a great 25th anniversary vacation.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 1, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Anyone that has ever worked on complex engineered tasks that get into the field and are behind schedule and over budget has to snicker at the thought that cost had nothing to do with what went on.

At that point in the game, everyone involved in the project is feeling heat from above. Things are changed and approved more quickly than normal to prevent further delays. Standard operating procedures are bypassed to gain time or save money.

That is just how things are. The only way to prevent that stuff is for the people in charge to be super-forceful with doing the right thing. In my experience, you can only get away with being super-forceful a couple of times before you get mysteriously left off the management team the next time.

Posted by: baldinho | October 1, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

baldinho, any large bidness project that is behind sked and over budget generates great heat from above. SOPs get bypassed all the time. Fortunately, the consequences are usually far less dramatic.

Posted by: MsJS | October 1, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Bob Dudley, BP's incoming CEO, said to NPR this summer, "We have been drilling for 20 years in the Gulf of Mexico without an accident."

Kind of disingenuous, since there have been accidents, just not of this magnitude. Also, he's splitting hairs there about the Texas City Refinery explosion, as it wasn't techincally *in* the Gulf, but Galveston Bay *on* the Gulf coast.

This is BPs third top guy in less than a decade, each getting the job because of criminal inquiry.

YJ, DragonCon? You're a goof. Also, I thought for sure you'd catch my Vonnegut reference yesterday. That's okay. If I misunderstood *Tim's gravity lesson (a distinct possibility) then my reference to Slapstick might have been the exact opposite of what he was conveying.

RNM, sorry to have been so harsh yesterday. I meant what I said (though I should have edited), but I shouldn't have said it with such a bite.

Have a happy day all.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 1, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Oh I'm a Dandelion too. Welcome, artificially extended family cousin.

And I was throwing out pop-cultural references all over yesterday. Battlestar Galactica, Red Dwarf, Buffy, Space 1999. Not a nibble. Where did all the fellow nerds go?

Posted by: yellojkt | October 1, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Some of us were unfortunately distracted by activities away from the PC, yello... *SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 1, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

We went to the 1991 World Science Fiction Convention (Magicon) in Orlando for our fifth anniversary. Stayed at the Peabody, watched the ducks, got my folks to watch the baby, everything. Some women just don't appreciate romantic gestures.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 1, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Dragon*Con will be in Atlanta next year, yello.

Nice town and all, but maybe not near the top of the romantic getaway locations list.

How about someplace like Trenton or Peoria?

Posted by: MsJS | October 1, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Stuff happens! One of the interesting things that happens is that people that deal with hazardous activities follow the safety rules but let things slack when nothing happens. Then something does and their is a new level of vigilance that lasts about one generation, until the witnesses to the last disaster pass into retirement.

In the Bay Area, we have that when a wildfire in the surrounding open space makes a run down toward the bay when the fall offshore winds blow. Once a generation, almost like clockwork.

Posted by: edbyronadams | October 1, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Mudged myself, of course. I swear, I have the golden touch. Reposting:

'Morning, Boodle.

Irritate me they have, yello. 13 question heads above the fold, four below it, one of them being that incomparably stupid "Are you a cat person or a bird person" thing you correctly cited. Somewhere in their graves, Walter Lippman and H.L. Mencken are spinning like turbine engines.

Meanwhile, an addendum: Yesterday's ditty, "Gliese (Is the World)" was based upon the theme from "Grease" ("Grease is the word, it's the word," etc.). This works quite well ... but only if one mispronounces Gliese, which I have since learned is pronounced glee-suh, rhymes with Lisa and Mother Teresa. I believe this problem is what has kept "Gliese (Is the World)" from going viral and making me a bazillionaire.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

eba, one could say the same thing about the financial markets. I'm reading Panic! by Michael Lewis right now, and it while I'm not even halfway through it, and a similar sentiment seems to be the recurring theme.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | October 1, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, words like that get re-pronounced all the time around here.

Cairo, one in Ill-In-Oy, is pronounced KAY-row.

Goethe, the street in Chicago, is pronounced go-EE-thee.

Don't let a minor thing like pronunciation keep you from going viral.

Posted by: MsJS | October 1, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

The burning of "The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society" is off. Another event of a semi-religious nature spoiled by peeking.

Darn me!

Posted by: Boomslang | October 1, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Darn you Snuke.

Still have a problem with Windy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=9UyooPeFbkQ

That's better.

Posted by: russianthistle | October 1, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Catastrophes like 9/11 are hard to imagine because they hadn't happened before, but not all catastrophes are hard to imagine. Take earthquakes and wild fires in California. Since we know what past ones look like and the destruction and loss of life they're capable of causing, building codes were changed, appropriate advancements in response protocols and equipment were made, training changed, citizens were educated and encouraged to have preparedness kits, etc. Seems the problem with the catastrophe of oil spills is that despite past experience, the only thing that changed was the side of the equation that makes catastrophe more likely. Sure, regs were added, but writing something on paper doesn't make it so.

We know what oil spills look like, and while we can have a high-tech kitchen mop, we can't seem to upgrade beyond a boom.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 1, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

MsJS, ever hear how they say Ponce de Leon Avenue in Atlanta? Adding in the southern accent gives it that extra special touch.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 1, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Sure have, LiT. It's sheer delight.

Posted by: MsJS | October 1, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Cassandra, I loved your 5:42 post this morning; I love it when the Boodle makes me think. You raised at least three interesting questions I want to ponder.

1) The "hate factor" in the TP people, which seems to underlie a lot of their rhetoric, and that it is more than "just" about the complexity of modern life. Yes, I agree it is there in some/many (though not all), and no, I don't quite get it, either. I have begun to think the TP crowd exists in tqo main parts:
(a) a "core" of old-line GOP rightwingers who have a very hardened ideology going way, way back to the Civil Rights days, and I suspect the hatred aspect you point out comes mainly from this group.
(b) a larger but much more recent group of general TP folks who are newcomers to TP. They are disaffected, to be sure, and they whine about taxes and the economy and the general incompetance of both political parties. A lot of them may be "know-nothings" in general, but I don't sense nearly as much (or any) hatred among them. I think this group is the one mainly suffering from the Complexity issue. Then you take this group and mix in with them the haters from the other group, and it becomes hard to tell who is who. So you wind up with a batch of relatively benign Archie Bunkers who surround a small handful of truly repugnant hard-core haters carrying those racists signs, and it makes the entire group look like haters. I also think the general trend of society and the increased coarseness of discourse as typified by Beck, Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc., has turned a lot of these relatively "nice" people into something they are not, at root.

I think this distinction between the two types explains why many TPers get outraged when they are accused of bigotry and racism; in their hearts they are not. But they also fail to realize they are standing right next to some truly ignorant glasshat who truly IS bigoted and racist, and they are in denial about him, because it is uncomfortable for them to admit (to themselves as well as anybody else) that they are mixed up with some really bad apples. It is very difficult to separate out a person who has quite legitimate concerns about faulty immigration laws and horrendous lack of enforcement, with someone who simply hates blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and "them," especially when his bigtry is coupled with horrible stereotyping about welfare queens and all that crap. They both talk about the same issues but they come at it from opposing angles, and it is very hard to know that.

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Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Second point. You wrote: "Just about every true blood Republican I've ever talked in my neck of the woods blame all society's ills on the Kennedy-Johnson administrations. The Civil Rights Era, if you will."

Yes, I understand. But I think one key here is when you said "in my neck of the woods." I agree entirely about your perception, but I also think it is very much a regional (mainly Southern) thing, such as Haley Barbour's recent nonsense. I don't think you are nearly as likely to hear that kind of "blame Kennedy-Johnson" crap in the Northeast (Yankee) states, and probably not to much on the West Coast.

But yes, I have no doubt whatsoever in your neck of the woods they are still fighting the Civil Rights movement, when most of the rest of the country has finally comes to terms with it. I actually know some pretty hardcore conservative Republicans who are perfectly fine with the Civil Rights movement and everything to do with racial issues. (Makes it pretty tough to hate 'em, too, so I don't).

Which in a way is also somewhat unfair to brand "all" white Southerners as being that way, because many are not at all. But once again, when you mix a bunch of people together it is difficult to seperate out the bad apples who are giving the rest a bad name. (And I'm not saying there aren't racists in the North, because of course there are, aplenty. It's just my experience they don't piss and moan much about K-J and the CR movement, because their experience of the CR movement in the north was qualitatively different. The core issues in the North tended to be about busing and desegregation of schools systems, whereas in the South there was the much worse additions of lynchings, assassinations, the Klan, bombings, governors blocking schoolhouse doors, voter registration drives, and of course everything ML King did.

As to Haley Barbour, I haven't figured him out. I used to think he was a smart guy, and I can't reconcile his recent marks, which to me seem incredibly stupid. I have to ask whether he simply knows better and is demogoging, or has he disguised his ignorance all these years.

I know you won't mind if I suddenly go all biblical on you, but I have come to believe there is a great deal of unconscious or subconscious folk wisdom in the parable/story of Moses and the Jews having to wander in the wilderness for 40 years, in order for the old generation (with all its bad habits) to die out before a new generation (without Moses himself) could enter the promised land. I think the take-away is that we are in, like, Year 35 of our 40-year wandering in the wilderness, and most of the racism of "our" generation (yours and mine, the over-50s, say) is just going to have to die out. It sure seems to me that the present generation, for all I might carp about them, are really color-blind and gender blind in a way us old farts could never be. They simple don't seem to give a rat's patoot what color somebody is -- and that's a great thing.

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Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I went all biblical today on my students about how important puncutation is about CLARITY and SPECIFICY.

From Luke, two ways of punctuating a pretty central passage:
* Verily, I say unto thee, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise.
* Verily, I say unto thee this day, thou shalt be with me in paradise.

(The apocryphal story is that one of these translations is from a Catholic bible and the other is from a Protestant bible; have no data on this at all! Apparently, this example is in the neo-classic Eats, Shoots, Leaves book)

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 1, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think the [US] is a country that celebrates fear. ...I've always envisioned us as a country that kicked butt and moved forward, and never bowed down to fear, whether that fear came in the form of man or ideas."

This is a really terrific observation, and one I have also been thinking quite a lot about. In a way, Steven Colbert's "Keep Fear Alive" rally speaks to exactly this point. In my lifetime I have observed a really precipitous decline in the general American attitude toward all sorts of scary things, and I hate to couch it this way, but we have become a nation of freaking cowards. We are lilly-livered afraid of every damn thing that comes down the pike-- every germ, every speck of paint in a toy, every madman with a pipe bomb. We cower under every new threat, and strive to over-protect our children and our selves way beyond what we did before.

This is one of those things where it is quite easy to over-react in either direction, way too brave or way too cowardly. But yes, you are exactly righ: we used to kick butt and bow down to no one. Now, we talk tough and say "Bring it on!" but no one believes it, and most of us are deathly afraid someone WILL bring it on. We have vastly, vastly over-reacted to 9/11, in my opinion, and have built this vast infrastructure to "protect" ourselves, and it is all a waste and a sham, IMHO, and simply a way for the Rightwing security types to build vast empires.

And I hate to say it, but I think a major, major reason why the Conservs so despise liberals is because they perceive the liberal/left is especially cowardly, and sadly I am inclined to agree with them. I see virtually no strong backbones and cohones on my side of the aisle.

Back at the turn of the 20th century there was a movement in American Christianity called "muscular christianity" and "muscular Protestantism." This was a reaction by people (not surprisingly, pretty much all men), who felt that Protestanism and/or Christianity in general had been feminized a bit too much for their liking, and that it was starting to get "unmanly" for a strapping big, healthy, manly man to indulge in some of the verbiage and ideas that were percolating in religion, in shart that it simply wasn't quite the "macho" thing to do. So "muscular Christiantiy" was the response to that.

Now, it is pretty easy to filter that through a lot of lenses about gender identity, sexuality, homophobia, machismo, and all those other interpretations, and I might agree with many of them. But my take-away from it all is that what we need to develop is a kind of "muscular liberalism" or "muscular progressivism."

Not to put too fine a point on it, I think the Right thinks the Left are just a bunch of wimps. I think they despise the Left not because they disagree with them on ideological matters; I think they disrespect the Left on a subconscious level because they sense this wimpiness as a lack of courage and "spine."

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Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

And this one:
First, a snippet from Isaiah:

A voice cries out: "In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."

And, later in the same translation but in the New Testament QUOTING the Isaiah passage in Mark 1:3:

the voice of one crying out in the wilderness: "Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."

WOW. Quoting and paraphrasing -- an ancient and ongoing problem.

But, now this with punctuation at the fore:

A voice crieth out: In the wilderness prepare ye the way of the Lord, make ye straight in the desert a highway for our God.

OR
A voice crieth out In the wilderness: prepare ye the way of the Lord,make ye straight in the desert a highway for our God.

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Question of the day: Is the voice (John the Baptist) crying out in the wilderness? Or is the path to be prepared located in the wilderness?

(Matters not, really) BUT PUNCTUATION IS OUR FRIEND!!!!

And this great one, modified for the precious selfs:

To my parents, J. K. Rowling and God
To my parents, J. K. Rowling, and God

I learned this in the 70s as

To my parents, Ayn Rand and God

Back to grading.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 1, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

DragonCon is always in Atlanta and always on Labor day weekend, hence the perpetual conflict with our anniversary. And how dare you say The ATL is not romantic. Have you not been to the Coca-Cola Museum? It brings a tear to my eye.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 1, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Mudge my experience leads me to disagree with your diagnosis of a lack of spine on the Left. On the contrary, I have come to feel that the Right talks big and has no guts at all, while the Left is more quiet but is willing to lay it on the line, take risks and face adversity.

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 1, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Yello, tears of mirth...
that "museum" is a monument to marketing.

Posted by: slyness | October 1, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

We saw a lot of it in the early and mid 60s with the Kennedys and Lyndon Johnson. After the Bay of Pigs fiasco, there was considerable doubt about whether JFK was "strong" enough to stand up to the Cubans and/or Russians, and the Kennedy administration went out of its way to appear tough; one aspect of it was the upgrading of the Green Berets and other Special Forces units like the SEALS. The GBs were actually formed in 1952/53, but it was JFK in 1961 who gave them the green beret and prompted them to national attention, because we were fighting a bunch of brushfire wars all over the globe.

And then Lyndon Johnson inherited the origins of Vietnam and escalated it into ultimate disaster. Be that as it may, in the early and mid 1960s, no one ever complained that America wasn't "tough"; if anything, the complaint went the other way,l that we were much tougher than we needed to be or ought to be.

These things are pendulums, and they swing back and forth. So you see clowns like GW Bush and Dick Cheny trying to appear macho and "mission accomplished" by invading some half-assed jerkwater country like Iraq so he can appear to vindicate his father's war in 1991. One of the things we intuited about Bush was that he wasn't an "authentic" tough guy; that he was the wastrel son of somebody who probably was authentically tough.

The trouble with all of this is it operates out of the reptilian part of our brain. (See this discussion of Cheney at http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0817-13.htm : "We humans, being the product of a long evolutionary process, really have three brains. And, as the Bush psy-ops folks know, politicians who win campaigns do so because they speak to all three of those brains.

"First there's the most primitive of our brains, sometimes referred to as the "reptilian brain" because we share it in common with reptiles like alligators and komodo dragons. The reptile brain has a singular focus: survival. It doesn't think in abstract terms, and doesn't feel complex emotions. Instead, it's responsible for fight-or-flight, hunger and fear, attack or run. It's also non-verbal - you can stimulate it with the right words, but it operates purely at the level of visceral stimulus-response."

It's my thesis that the Conserv reptile brain sense cowardice and weakness in the Liberal/left reptile brain, and I fear they are largely right.

Which is how we get back to your observation, Cassandra, that we used to kick butt and weren't a fearful people. There is much to be said for being the Gary Cooper strong, silent type, unfashionable though it has become.

OK, that's it for today. Thank you, Cassandra, for giving me my mental exercise for the day.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you're supposed to put the Coke in your eye, yello.

Posted by: MsJS | October 1, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

People on the left may be more comfortable with ambiguity. Hey, it is Friday and I can slow the grading down!

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 1, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

YMCA and YWCA -- those are the most tangible, broad institutions of muscular C-anity.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 1, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm. Mudge, I see your point in much of your discourse, but even if the RightWingers despise the Lefties or contemptuously think Lefties are wimps -- and with the vehemence they exhibit -- also makes me think that they protesteth all too much. What I mean by that is that it's all projection of their own fears and contempt they have for themselves and their feelings of vulnerability in the wake of disasters (man-made or Mother Nature-made).

Yeah, 9/11 was horrible (and people seem to forget that the immediate victims were not all American) and so was Pearl Harbor and so was the A-bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki (regardless of whether or not one thinks those bombings were justified) and so are many, many other bad-things-happen-to-people incidents.

In all of my world travels, I've pretty much traveled alone. I find out -- as a woman traveling alone -- where not to go, and (please listen) *I don't go there!*. I've learned that areas around railway stations are reasonably okay during the daytime, but at night, the area is full of sex clubs and pimps and hookers and I'll take a cab from the station, thank you very much. I've got d@mn good instincts and I take care of myself pretty well. I also don't take unnecessary risks.

But if something is going to happen, and it's outside of my immediate control, there is really nothing I can do about it, and I accept that (with some choice *expletives*, I can assure you). And if anyone wants me to be simply terrified as a result of 9/11, I'm gonna disappoint anyone. I've got a life and I'm going to live it, with or without anyone's approval or permission.

So *expletive* there!

Posted by: ftb3 | October 1, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

More fun in pronunciation: The borough next door to us in McKeesport is Versailles, which they pronounce Ver-sails. And further north the town of Du Bois is of course pronounced Dew-boys.

Posted by: ebtnut | October 1, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

And, brains two and three?

Brain 9, which not all people use, is the costuming brain. Seeing costumes where others see only clothing. Talitha has this brain, I believe.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 1, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Some are already on their way to Gliese.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/g/a/2010/09/30/dip.DTL&object=/c/pictures/2010/09/30/ba-TOPSHOTS-FRAN_0502319579.jpg

Posted by: bh72 | October 1, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Umm, 'mudge, not to nit-pick, truly, but I think it is important to note, given your thesis, that muscular Christianity originated in Britain (Kingsley, Hughes, etc.) tracing a direct line from Rousseau. And that it was exploited to shocking effect by the reliable population of pedophile priests, though in this case Church of England not Catholic.

Posted by: Yoki | October 1, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Two more towns in Ill-In-Oy:
Marseilles: mar-SAILS
Des Plaines: both esses are pronounced (des, like mess, planes)

Posted by: MsJS | October 1, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

And the Ill-In-Oy Peru is pronounced PEE-rue.

Posted by: MsJS | October 1, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Gilese

Posted by: bh72 | October 1, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The Mount Rainier city in MD is

Mount RAYner

out West, Mount RaNEER.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 1, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I'll add in Calais, Maine up on the border which is pronounced "callous."

Posted by: cowhand214 | October 1, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

A museum dedicated to the carbonated aqueous solution of HFCS, phosphoric acid, caramel and caffeine? Who knew.

Trivia: the concentrated cola formulation(to which is added the carbonated water and HFCS or other edulcorent loacally) is a dangerous good/hazardous material. Class 8, corrosive. The orange flavour concentrate for the orange drink is a class 3, flammable, with a sub-class of 8, corrosive. Good stuff.

I hate it when a shadow suddenly streams across the sky, followed by the roar of military jet engines. That was 4 CF-18 (same as your F-18) making a building-top pass to welcome the new GG. Her Hotness Michaëlle Jean is replaced today by some pasty old white guy in a ceremony at Rideau hall (nice digs if you get the job). After two women who both did honour to the position we had to return to reality. The Globe&Mail will be happy.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 1, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

GG?

Wasn't that a film with Leslie Caron, Louis Jourdan and Hermione (gotta love that name) Gingold? Won a buncha Oscars, IIRC.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 1, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I might meet you half-way on that, Tim. I'd certainly agree that the Right talks tough and has an undeniable swagger, much in the manner of some guy who has doubts about his masculinity and/or sexuality, so he over-compensates by coming across all macho. And I think we tend to sense that in our reptilian brains about those kinds of guys.

But I also think that on the Left we are all concerned with finding our Inner Child and getting in touch with our feminie side, and believing that it's OK for men to cry, and gosh darn it, like Stuart Smalley I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me; we are full of political correctness and make our children wear helmets when they bike and use ineffective hand sanitizer and have all sorts of New Age notions about this and that. We worry about quality of life, and the poor and the sick and the disadvantaged, and we think muslims are okay people, as a rule, and that gays are okay, too, and can even destroy the wonderful institution of marriage if they want to, and we think we should take better care of illegal aliens who come here to pick our grapes and mow our lawns and expect decent health care and maybe a driver's license. To the over-compensating Right, that just looks like a massive hodge-podge of weakness and wimpiness.

So that brings me back to my point: I think we need to find a way to keep all that (because, at the end of the day, all those things are basically sound and correct) yet we need to find a way to make it seem more "muscular." How does one go toe-to-toe with Limbaugh and Hannity while maintaining contact with one's inner child and one's feminine side. I have no idea. All I know is that on the left we have a lousy reputation as "fighters" and "tough-minded."

The people on the Right are over-compensating macho bullies, and the problem with bullies is the only way to get them to stop and gain their respect is to punch them in the mouth. Instead, we report them to the principal. No wonder they despise us and think we are weak. We chose ineffective solutions. I have no idea what to do about that. All I know is that when Gibbs tells progressives to stop whining, the progressive get their panties in a twist. What they needed to do was stop whining.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Did it originate in GB, Yoki? Now that you mention it, I know you are right. Good catch. I'm now remembering Eric Liddell in "Chariots of Fire." Yup. I think they even mention it in the movie.

2 hours and 14 minutes until Bermuda trip. Not that I'm counting.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

hey shriek, I'm learning how to fold one out of a USD$1 as we speak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9VcXXCBuic

(scroll to about the 8:00 mark to see finished shape)

Mine will be quieter in flight.

Posted by: MsJS | October 1, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I know! I know! Governor General!

Posted by: slyness | October 1, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

CqP, I am unaware than anyone on the Right uses Brains 2 and 3, although I am open to persuasion.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

soft on crime...Willie Horton...John Kerry windsurfing...Mike Dukakis riding a tank...Jimmy Carter's killer rabbit...Jimmy Carter wearing Mr. Roger's sweater...where's the beef?...Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall...Read my lips...horseback riding on the Reagan ranch...clearing brush on the Bush ranch...Mission [Not]Accomplished...

Nevermind me, I'm just free associating.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 1, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Now we have the naming of brains:

Brain 1, that basiliskian center that pushes us toward and away food and amours, and danger, respectively. Handle with care by first acknowledging this exists and governs.

Brain 2 (Assigned to Mudge)

Brain 3 (Assigned to Mudge)

Brains 4 through 8 up for grabs. Talitha gets brain 9.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 1, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

And what is wrong with Ponce-duh-LEE-on?

Houston Street, New York City
Houston, Texas

Posted by: yellojkt | October 1, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, you gonna leave your brains in the bunker while you cruise or take 'em with?

Bon voyage and all that, BTW.

Posted by: MsJS | October 1, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I slipped and say a French word the French way in English conversation. In the US, thankfully, I'm usually told the right way to say it (I absolutely cannot guess). Not so much in Canada.
But I have seen a pretty awful sign last fall in Western Canada: the "Boucherie Animal Hospital", on Boucherie Rd. It took a lot a restraint for me not to buy a can of spray paint and add an ampersand between "Boucherie" and "Animal Hospital".

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 1, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, I just figured out why I associated the muscular Christianty movement with American origins, rather than British. I went to Temple Universitry, which was founded by Russell Conwell, one of the leading Social Darwinists of the late 19th century (he was also a Babtist minister). Perhaps as a consequence, at TU the history department tended to focus a bit heavily on late 19th century Am. history, the Social Darwinists and the muscular Christians (Conwell was both), who ran concurrent with each other and sometimes overlapped; the Chatauqua movement, Wm. Jennings Bryan, and all that. Also, it was a major feature of Sinclair Lewis's "Elmer Gantry," too, along with Dwight Moody, the creation of the YMCA movement, etc. But you are quite right: Kingsley and Hughes, etc., who I am not familiar with, as opposed to Conwell, Moody, Lewis, Bryan, and Chataqua, who I probably was exposed to in excess way back when.

I don't know why, but I always loved the word "Chatauqua." Not the movement, especially (and certainly how it morphed). Just the word. It also has very strong association with the Methodist Campground in Oak Bluffs on Martha's Vineyard, which is now a wonderful collection of tiny Victorian "painted lady" cottages. Ever been there? It has a fascinating history, especially for black Americans. A little known time warp in American history.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Happy sailing, mudge. Wear the cummerbund proudly.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 1, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

My brains have been moldering in a bunker for years, I fear, MsJS. I would leave them there while we cruise to Bermuda, if I could. Trouble is, I have difficulty getting the little b@st@rds to shut up and leave me alone. And they follow me around like frisky puppies and pee on fire hydrants. I suppose the good part is they seem to get on well with each other, and give me fairly good access. But there's just so much s--- in there, and a lot of it is unpleasant and dark. Especially #1. Getting that one to behave is a chore.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

One of the Oaks Bluff Methodist Campground cottages:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/yellojkt/2768596860/

Posted by: yellojkt | October 1, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I had an aunt and uncle who lived at the north tip of Chatauqua Lake in western NY. We would occasionally visit them and drop down to the original Chatauqua for a talk or a concert. It was right by the ferry that crossed the mid-point of the lake to save the near-hour drive to go halfway around. Some of you here locally might recall that Glen Echo started out as a Chatauqua assembly before evetually morphing into the amusement park most of us of a certain age remember. I wish I had had the chance to ride the streetcar out there before they abandoned it in 1960.

Posted by: ebtnut | October 1, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

SCC: Oak Bluffs, like mudge has it. Gotta go change my photo captions.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 1, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Nev-AY-da, Iowa
Vy-enna, Maine

Dearest Mudgekins, have a wonderful cruise with the Missus, dutifully take your Dramamine and git that marlin into that boat!

Oh, wait.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 1, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Okay, having subjected you all to all that groundwork, I think I can now summarize my thesis: the Right's hatred of the Left is visceral, not intellectual or political. It comes from the #1 brain, which is why it is "hatred" and contempt and disdain, rather than merely "disagreement" or difference of opinion. It gets back to the core of Cassandra's question. Old-school Republicans and Democrats in the 1950s and 1960s (with a few exceptions) didn't viscerally hate each other back then, except perhaps on an individual/personal basis. Barry Goldwater and Hubert Humphrey were notoriously good friends behind the scenes. But they were also more moderate (on both sides) and "compromise" wasn't a dirty word, and there was no "take no prisoners" attitude like the right is swinging to.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Last night, got a memory jump-start with Benet's "American Names."

http://home.comcast.net/~bryant.katherine/names.html

I also enjoyed dipping into Sherman Alexie's "Defending Walt Whitman."

Sherman Alexie is a serious favorite of mine, even when he's being political.

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/reservations/Content?oid=14263

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/reservations/Content?oid=13968

Those are old but still great.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 1, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

There are few things that please me more than a simple fried chicken sandwich. The special twist today was a slightly spicy mayo with minced Dill pickle.

Posted by: russianthistle | October 1, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Sherman Alexie: I so want to see him speak sometime, preferably not after I've had major surgery so I won't burst my stitches.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 1, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

OK all you left brainiacs, here's the scoop on this weekend's MLB games. More details at mlb.com.

AL: Minnesota, Texas, Tampa Bay and the Yankees are all in the post-season. TB and the Yanks have identical records with 3 games to go. The Yanks need to finish with a better record in order to claim the AL East division title, otherwise they're the AL wild card. The Yanks go to Boston this weekend, while TB heads to KC.

NL: Philly and Cincy are in as NL East and Central division champs. SD, SF and Atlanta are vying for the remaining two slots. SF hosts SD this weekend, while Atlanta hosts Philly.
1 SF win: SF wins the NL West.
Any combo of 2 Atlanta wins/SD losses: Atlanta wins the wild card.
3 SD wins and 2 Atlanta losses: The three teams would be tied at 91-71. This would force a two-game playoff. SD would host SF on Monday to determine the NL West division champ. The loser would then fly to Atlanta for a Tuesday game to determine the NL wild card entry.
3 SD wins and 3 Atlanta losses: SD wins the NL West and SF is the wild card.
2 SD wins and 3 Atlanta losses: SF wins the NL West. Atlanta and SD would play a tiebreaker game to determine the wild card.

I'm off to use my right brain for a while.

Posted by: MsJS | October 1, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Three terrific links, Wilbrod. Thanks.

But kick that mutt in the butt. We haven't had near enough houndog haiku lately.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

'Mudge, I seem to recall #1 responds rather well to caprihinas...

Of which you can find many on board, I'm sure. Happy Cruising to you and Mrs. 'Mudge!! :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 1, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I can't decide if this funny in a sick way, or sick in a funny way. You decide.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/blog-post/2010/10/rick_sanchez_calls_jon_stewart.html?hpid=news-col-blog

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Scotty, MsJS, et al. Boy, I ahven't had a caprihina in a while. I'm overdue.

66 minutes.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

What Sanchez has failed to understand is that Stewart is not mocking him because he's Cuban-American, he's mocking him because he's a pompous lunkhead.

Posted by: kguy1 | October 1, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean the Orioles have been mathematically eliminated? Dang!

Posted by: yellojkt | October 1, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, he's been writing paradelles-- he thought it was a real french poetry form.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradelle


A poodle walks by
A poodle walks by
I want his fur
I want his fur
his fur walks by--
I want a poodle.

When the cat washes his paw out
When the cat washes his paw out
Bathed with spits, how gross
Bathed with spits, how gross
How gross the cat spits,
when bathed without his paw.

I haven't the heart to tell him.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 1, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

For you binary code freaks, today is 10-1-10, or 10110. Or 10/01/10, or 100110.

I have no idea what number that is. Probably "42." (Okay, it's either 22 or 38, depending on the middle zero. Just testing you.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

SCC:

Bathed with spits, how gross
bathed with spits, how gross
when the cat washes his paw out
when the cat washes his paw out
How gross the cat spits,
when bathed without his paw.

I saw that comment!
Doggerel is always true
to form, real or not.

-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 1, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Nice...but a bit redundant, Wilbrodog.
Nice...but a bit redundant, Wilbrodog
But woncha go back to the haiku?
But woncha go back to the haiku?
Paradelles are just poisonous mushrooms
That only a Frenchman would eat.

--Racine

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

There's too much mongering goin' on, visceral and otherwise that's for sure, but the only hope of true reform is another election. WE are anticipating that the remnant of the silent majority has recently been reawakened to the effectivness of community organizing by a extremely well-financed and fully motivated street-level machine. With the majority still silent, and many intimidated by the shock and awe success of the policy changes, the activist minority may just succeed even more dramatically than the one in 2008. Bottom line, whatever the outcome, changing what the majority now agrees was not what they thought they were promised, while not a sure thing, has as much hope in the prospect as what has been sucked out of US by the last change.

Leadership Principle: never take away from the people more than what can be replaced in a timely manner. Right now there are 14,000,000 households not seeing anything but loss of security and hope, and they will most likely supply the swing vote which cannot be overcome by any punditry, analysis, misconceptions, un-truths, arguments, or excuses.

It's the Election, Stupid...

Posted by: RichNomore | October 1, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Wib - CollegeBarkian, poodle-dog, is very please. Prancingly pleased, she is, she is, so Prancingly pleased she is.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 1, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Hot ziggity. I am off, bound for the Wide Sargasso Sea (okay, the northern edge thereof), cummerbund(s) in hand. Back in about 10 days, so be well, Boodle. May check in from time to time, depending on the price of the 100 minutes. Got our stateroom number last evening by e-mail. Spanking new passports are in hand. Bags half packed. Departing in the a.m., after weekly run to the landfill for our usual trash run. Thence to Philly overnight, thence to the Big Apple in the ayem. Our noble vessel departs Sunday, 4:45 p.m., Expect to leave the Narrows of Verrazano and the headlands of the Navasink in our wake circa 5 p.m. and thence into the bold Atlantique, e'er tropic-bound. Shall lash myself to the wheel if we happen upon any Sirens.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 1, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Paradelles lost--
Final lines are flesh and heart
to all 'elles, Mudge.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 1, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, glad you like the comment, and I certainly enjoyed your response.

Slyness, didn't realize he shot them in the head. That's awful. They need to do something about the SBI, their credibility is gone. They need a complete overhaul, starting with a new director.

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 1, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Just wait for nine days!

Posted by: Yoki | October 1, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Bon Voyage Mudge and Mrs. Mudge.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 1, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I claim brain eleven; that's my setting anyway. No improvements in signal-to-noise ration; frankly clipping occurs; that's just how I roll.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 1, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Here we put on our underwater breathing apparatus, dive deep, plunge into the reptilian tea party brain. Swimming around, we look around us in aghast fascination, thankful for our hermetically sealed skinsuits; the turbid effluent shocking us in its insinuating proximity. Look, over there! It's RichNoMore's psyche!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJxCZDn3SnQ

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 1, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

As I drove in to work this afternoon, the local public radio station had a call-in show on politics and the upcoming election. There were representatives of the two parties in the studio. After about 5 minutes of niceties, the two just started spinning (lying?) so badly that the host, exasperated, just blurted out "Okay... it looks like we are getting a lot of rhetoric here. I guess we can just go to the callers."

Bravo.

Posted by: baldinho | October 1, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

WooHoo! It's Friday and time to Paaaarrrttyyy... I am soooo Waassted!


Okay. I'm really not. I'm down here sipping Sleepy Time Tea and reading a book by Hank Stuever while the bunny hops around and eats raisins.

But sometimes I like to play pretend.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | October 1, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Another look into the Tea Party supporters, with a Canadian slant, although the writer might be originally from the US (can't recall).

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/the-importance-of-seeing-sarah-palin/article1738425/

Posted by: dmd3 | October 1, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Baldo (rhymes with Waldo) just reports a sighting this AM of brain level 5: rising above rhetoric.

Well done, Baldo, well done. Please continue those reports from the field.


Jumper reveals his brain to be, level eleven. Film at 11.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 1, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Funny RD! Sorry I missed Mudge today. He made some excellent points in his reply to Cassandra. I also wanted to wish him bon voyage. Ah well. Waiting for our ride, going to dance class.

Posted by: badsneakers | October 1, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

dmd, the author was born in a suburb of TWC, but became a naturalized Canuckistani.

Posted by: MsJS | October 1, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Thanks MsJS, I knew one of the female writers from the Globe was from TWC but couldn't remember which one.

Anyone else just have the font on the blog go tiny, when I refreshed font size shrank to about 7.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 1, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

during my childhood, i spent many an afternoon at the Des Plaines Y. day camp during the summer, swimming in the winter. i remember the handball courts for some reason.

Posted by: -jack- | October 1, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Actually, succotash, quiet reading. Work tomorrow.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 1, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Aw, 'mudge, have a great time. Mrs. 'mudge too. And you know, you are surrounded by Sirens, if only you listen for them.

Posted by: Yoki | October 1, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Bye Bye Rick! I watched his show a few times when I was too lazy to turn the channel - it was bad!

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/10/01/rick_sanchez_fired

Posted by: dmd3 | October 1, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I was kind of amused by a casual reference to India's Muslim population in a story about an Indian court decision regarding a disputed religious site:

"But it was not immediately clear whether the ruling would help heal the deep religious fissures that have haunted modern India - a predominantly Hindu but secular nation of more than 1 billion people, of whom only a little more than 13 percent are Muslim."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/30/AR2010093007061.html - This is the print version of the story.

A few million here, a few million there... pretty soon you're talkin' about a bunch o' folks! I think 130 million would put a country in the top ten of the population lists.

I notice that when the story was posted online, it was rewritten in several areas, to include removing that "only" modifier.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 1, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd never been aware of good old Rick until this incident. But accusing both Jon Stewart and your own bosses of racism while simultaneously decrying Jewish control of your industry (in an on-the-record interview) is... bold.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 1, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

That's Mr. Nomore to you Jumpy,

... so how do you know when you take your suit off and you're still back-strokin' in the literal, liberal, gutter full of thugmo rats swimming as fast as they can away from the stinking, sinking SS Bush-Obama, now leaderless and rudderless spinning in circles in it's own sea of, how you say, extrafluentcies?

Posted by: RichNomore | October 1, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Apologies to any of you who still consider yourself liberal, the party and it's hi-jackers have completely reformed itself and the classic definition of the word, leaving you nothing you can be except one of them.

Posted by: RichNomore | October 1, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

For those in the kit that anxiously await the dropping of the professional pucks in a week, my hockey team was drafted last night. Good news: I have a lot of Canucks.... literally and figuratively. I even worked in a Flame, 3 Oilers and two defending champs (well,okay, Turco wasn't on the champ team... but he is now!). Any time you get a guy with a uu or a kk in his name, it is a good thing. A guy with BOTH is the best.

Here it is:


Team: The Probert Report

C Henrik Sedin (Van - C)
C Paul Stastny (Col - C)
LW Alexandre Burrows (Van - LW)
LW Dustin Penner (Edm - LW)
RW Martin St. Louis (TB - RW)
RW Corey Perry (Anh - RW)
D Duncan Keith (Chi - D)
D Ryan Whitney (Edm - D)
D Paul Martin (Pit - D) Player Highlights
D Mark Giordano (Cgy - D) Player Highlights
Util Mason Raymond (Van - LW)
G Tuukka Rask (Bos - G)
G Marty Turco (Chi - G)
BN Taylor Hall (Edm - LW)
BN Tyler Seguin (Bos - C)
BN Ville Leino (Phi - LW)
BN Devin Setoguchi (SJ - RW)
BN Chris Mason (Atl - G)

Posted by: baldinho | October 1, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

One boodle too late. Do you think tough guys on the Goldilocks planet would be called Gliese thugs?

Homer Simpson: I've been called a greasy thug, too. It never stops hurting. So here's what we're gonna do: We're gonna grease ourselves up real good and trash that place with a baseball bat.

Posted by: baldinho | October 1, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

RichNomore - Your condolences will be taken in the spirit with which they were offered, I'm sure.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 1, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

My adopted non-Boston team in the NHL this season is in Edmonton. I'd prefer that they go all the way and finally spell their team name correctly, though.

Edmonton Eulers

Posted by: baldinho | October 1, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

baldino, while listening to the radio yesterday two sportscasters were making a bet, who will be the worst team in the league, it was a coin toss between Edmonton and Toronto.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 1, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Gnomes must have bear genes;
crisp weather, carbohydrates
breeds hibernation.

-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 1, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh no, Rick! I used to watch him because there's not much else on at that time of day. He didn't seem very bright, but I thought he was smarter than that! He occasionally said something clunky about women which would make me shake my head.

Posted by: seasea1 | October 1, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Dog off to lead gnome
into warm, snoring world of dreams
smothered in black fur.

-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 1, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I just saw the most incredible sight, outside gazing at the sky and saw some clouds, long wispy fingers that were catching enough light to look almost like the Northern Lights. While admiring them I saw what at first appeared to be a meteor but then I noticed it was four blotches reflecting silver and orange, a plane formation - no no sound, it was a V formation so I am guessing birds, probably geese catching the relection of street lamps or the very last remnants of sunlight (although to dark for that I think).

It is a fairly dark sky so they stood out well, quite a number of stars as well in the moonless sky.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 1, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I saw a huge V-shaped flock of geese the other evening too. I heard them before I could see them, but hadn't figured out what they were till I saw them overhead. Just breathtaking...and headed south.

Posted by: seasea1 | October 1, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Here are some kute little Klanspeople (picture #3 in the gallery) (OK, not really. Just some tourists dealing with the rain):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2010/10/01/GA2010100103919.html?hpid=multimedia1&hpv=local

Posted by: Bob-S | October 1, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

If you happen to check out the gallery linked above, you might note that the caption for picture #30 starts out, "Security agents check a damaged car following a blast..."

The car in question is beyond damaged, I'd say.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 1, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

An ex-car? Car-pse?
Wreck formerly known as car?
rubble with tires on?

-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 1, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

The northern states, fortunately, never based their politics and society on racial separation. But there were lots of carefully-graded restrictions. Human geneticist LL Cavalli-Sforza commented in one of his books on a poster offering work. One rate for whites, another for Italians, and the lowest for blacks. I guess by then, Irish were "white".

In Jacksonville, the old regime was definitely segregationist. It was also evidently anti-semitic (based on the remains of a Jewish country club, since redeveloped with a community center) and right-wing, thanks in part to a weird local oligarch, Ed Ball, who had gotten control of a huge DuPont fortune. He was one of Jesse Helms's first patrons.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 1, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Dude. Tried to post this a bunch of hours ago, but ran into computer problems (all my fault I'm sure)....and I am again trying to post from the kitchen (DC's virus-infested) computer so chances are some bug's going to stop it anyway, but in the off chance...

RNM, Thank you. You brought a tear to my eye. And I agree the voters aren't the glassy-eyed sheep the entertainers seem to think they are. FWIW, I think the silent majority are democrats, republicans *and* independents (but not Tea Partiers) who pay attention to the issues and the candidates, vote according to their own consciences and best interests, but don't hoot and holler over minor perceived slights and then disseminate misinformation. I think they will continue to vote this way, and that we won't see them crossing party lines in any significant numbers more than usual (with the understanding that usual means in terms of everything from Reagan Democrats on forward).

Me back in normal time. Your later post...nah dude you can't pull that one off. I'm calling you on it. Sticking Bush with Obama? That's really comparing apples with bar stools. Like having a Bacon number of 751. And thugromats? Puh-leeze. I thought we decided the gutter wasn't somewhere we wanted to swim.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 2, 2010 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Mercy me!

After a day of unbelievable reality ... I've been playing virtual DJ with sonchild (he in Cali, I in Virginie) and found two of my favorites from a lady I was privileged to know ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvVJjZH73y0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpj2is18mm0&feature=related

Sleep well, all.


Posted by: talitha1 | October 2, 2010 2:50 AM | Report abuse

Oh, talitha1, did you really know Kate Wolf?

You are a woman after my own heart, even though I like that expressed in punk and hard-rock and metal, and you in folk.

Hello!

*Waving*

Yoki

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2010 5:22 AM | Report abuse

I get to be ground-crew on the weekend Dawn Patrol! I'll let bc deal with all things mechanical whilst I make a delightful breakfast and put it out on the Ready-Room table.

Strong coffee (lots), freshly-squeezed juices, home-made granola, fruit salad, and, as a special weekend treat, a smoked-turkey, Gruyere, apple and onion strata with medium-hot salsa. Help yourselves.

MsJS, I'm counting on you showing-up with freshly-baked muffins of some delicious variety.

Posted by: Yoki | October 2, 2010 5:38 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, what the freakin' are you doing up this morning? Yes, I met Kate Bush back in Sonoma in the day and ran into her again (in DC) backstage when she was touring during the early 80s.* small whoop for her, BIG whoop for me. Miss her, but her music keeps me alive sometimes.

Adding a big pot of Earl Grey, some bagels, croissants, cream cheese, smoked salmon and capers to the breakfast buffet.
A true 'groaning board'!

*I think she was about to do Prairie Home Companion about that time ... will do a search to see.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 2, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. Oh, Yoki, be still my heart! Fantastic! Love it.

I'm trying real hard today to not be depressed, working hard at this. The day is suppose to be sunny and bright, just the right temps, so I want my feelings to correspond with this wonderful day that I've been blessed to see. So much going on here, but will not detail it, just might start to crying, so I'm thinking the happy thoughts.

Mudge, and Mrs. Mudge, have a wonderful journey.

I believe our due date here is next month or the first of December. What a beautiful Christmas present this will be! Babies smell so good.

Have a wonderful day, folks, hope the weather where you are is just beautiful. Love to all.

Slyness, got that walk going yet? If you read the Observer yesterday, that is my nephew on the front of the sports page, the one that talks about Garinger and their football team. He's the coach there.

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 2, 2010 6:16 AM | Report abuse

dang, Yoki ... even listening to Kate's music never makes me cry. But your question about "did you really know her?" made me stop and think and cry. Yes, I did know her in Sonoma. But years go by with friends, ya know? What an incredible spirit she was ... is ... what joy and honesty in her music.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 2, 2010 6:24 AM | Report abuse

dmd: the Eulers were certainly baaaad last season. I am pulling for them because of the history of the franchise (even though they beat my Bruins in the finals twice! in the 1980s) and I think they have 2 or 3 good young players all coming on line this season.

Khabibulin might have a small amount of gas left in the tank to help them out, too.

Posted by: baldinho | October 2, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. It's a crisp (1C/34F) and sunny October morning in the other Federal Capital.

My eyes were on Calgary last night Yoki. What a disaster that game was for the Oiseaux. Well, there is always next week for the return game in Montreal.

This weekend is prime time for the Fall colours. All that rain thinned out the leaves but there is quite a bit left. That will be complete gridlock in the Gatineau park. Some people think you've got to look at the sight through the windshield of a car.

Off to replenish the birdfeeders and walk the Very Lazy Very Large Puppy.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 2, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all, hi Cassandra! Your nephew is football coach at Garinger? Cool! I'll go read the story. I should have gone to Garinger but they didn't offer some courses I wanted, so I went to East Meck instead.

Thanks for the wonderful breakfast, Yoki and Talitha. Exactly the right start for a Saturday morning. Now, Yoki, please get some rest.

No walk on weekends, just weekdays. I need some time to recover from the exertion. More specifically, my feet need not to pound the pavement all seven days of the week. I've had issues finding shoes that would allow me to walk without killing the feet; fortunately, I've got a pair I think will work. Of course, I'll have them worn out in six to eight months and have to look again.

Mr. T is out shoveling gravel onto the walk he made to the compost barrel. I guess I should help/supervise, but I think I'll stay in a while longer.

LiT, I appreciate your efforts with some of our less agreeable posters. You are gutsy and indefatigable, both great traits. Thank you.

Posted by: slyness | October 2, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

*pant pant pant*

Good morning, y'all.

Warm muffins, eggs, bacon, sausage, truck-stop potatoes, coffee, tea, bloody Marys and fresh fruit on the table. MrJS turned 75 this week and we're having a few folks over for a brunchfest in a few hours.

*off to putter in the kitchen*

Posted by: MsJS | October 2, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Happy birthday to MrJS! That's a wonderful milestone, and I hope you folks have a great time!

Posted by: slyness | October 2, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, hugs!

Time to cook for freezing today. Chicken for the dog, black bean soup for me.

Thanks for the wonderful breakfast!

Posted by: -dbG- | October 2, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, hugs!

Time to cook for freezing today. Chicken for the dog, black bean soup for me.

Thanks for the wonderful breakfast!

Posted by: -dbG- | October 2, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

YES, YES, YES...LIT

TP is just an attempt to be along the watchtowers, it's up to WE the people what to do when the alarm sounds. The season has turned.

Posted by: RichNomore | October 2, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday to MrJS, hope everyone enjoys the brunchfest.

I am back from middle child's cross country meet, a cool day (low 50's with a little rain) after almost two hours in damp conditions getting warm again is tough. But middle child did fantastic improved her placement by 29 positions, is so proud, entire team did well, best finish 3rd, lowest 53? out of about 86 competitors - they were a happy group of girls.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 2, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

...GWB and BHO, many similarities, one more successful than the other, but more later when it is clearer...

Searching the stars and the horizon....

"Is anybody out there...."
"Our name is CNN, and we need help"
"It's our reputation and we need cash now"

Off with Klein's head...

Rick Sanchez successfully flushes himself down the staff loo...

Along comes a Spitzer to sit down beside her...

Kathleen Parker
Eliot Spitzer

The perfect TV couple, sort of 'Parker Knows Best', and WE can presume
that she will stay away from the 'wine' and will not be ‘...sexually attracted to...' her co-hoster, since she probably won't '...care that...he...knows nothing.’

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226085/tragic-flaw/kathleen-parker

NOW...WE know what she is 'saving the male' for.

Crafting a perfect media version of Cuomolot Style journalism turned Cable Op-Ed, is the latest CNN attempt to shake their ABMSNBDNCNNBS image of solidarity with a Apostate Government-Media Complex and FOX-ify their host line-up. Too soon to know how that will be working out. Can't wait for the first Sarah Palin interview.

Question: If Kathleen Parker was more like Katie Couric, would she be qualified to take even half of Rick Sanchez' place on CNN's version of 'The VIEW'?

One thing sure: If that SP/KP-ES interview ever takes place, SP would be way more qualified to answer their questions than either one of THEM are to ask.

Does anyone smell the sweet parfume' of another madia award.....
....or another deep water horizon for an incredible shrinking cable news dwarf?

Posted by: RichNomore | October 2, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Dearborn High Pioneer football update: they went to 6-0 yesterday. Next up is the Romulans!

Posted by: baldinho | October 2, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Watch out for the cloaking device-equipped running back, baldinho...

SUCH a delightful day to enjoy the neighborhood festival honoring the iron horses that roll down twin steel ribbons alongside the river. Nothing better that enjoying BBQ pit beef sammiches and mango ice with mah hunny bah mah side! Even made the minor chores of litter box reconstruction & weed-whacking seem worthwhile. :-)

*all-the-windows-thrown-wide-to-capture-as-much-wunnerfulness-as-possible Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 2, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

RNM, I want to show what the state of West Virginia looks like on your right hand.

Now make a fist,extend your thumb out to the right(like you are hitchhiking). Now extend the second finger away from your thumb straight up.Please go to the closest mirror you have and look at what you just created. Now think about it for a few minutes while you look at yourself.

Have a nice day

Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 2, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Today's guest piece about the Judge Rotenberg Center (located a little south of Boston) is gut-wrenching. I've heard about the place periodically, never in a good way.

Column in today's Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/17/AR2010091705376.html

Silly pranks gone awry:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/22/AR2007122202909.html

A fairly clinical-but-nauseating 2006 report:
http://boston.com/news/daily/15/school_report.pdf

Not good.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Aahh, the aesthetics of "the bird". Now most people begin with a fist, then extend the second finger upwards. I'll certainly agree that it's economical, and has an elegant simplicity.

But when I really mean it, I generally start with four fingers upraised, then curl the first, third & fourth fingers down, creating a more graphic reproduction of the act of insertion. I find that this technique is more effective at infuriating the object of my attentions. Which is the whole point, right?

Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

And a big hug to you Dbg! Hope all is well with you and family.

Lit, I second what Slyness said.

That's him, Slyness. When he was a toddler he used to call breakfast, dinner, and would meet at the door at five in the morning talking about, I want my dinner. Of course, I'm coming in from an all nighter, and all I wanted to do was hit the bed. I wanted to throttle him big time, but my mother would hear him, and she would say go ahead and fix his breakfast. Luckily, he was happy with a hot dog, and my son would always want a peanut butter sandwich, regardless of the hour. Those two were a trip, and I was the vacation. LOL!

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 2, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Greenwithenvy, I'm laughing out loud, thanks.

I know Rick Sanchez put his foot, leg, and lower torso in his mouth, but was there animosity between him and John Stewart? I mean Stewart's show is comedy right? Did Sanchez take the jokes badly? I have cast an eye at both shows, but not a regular. Rick had the music thing, sort of like a lot of fluff, but no meat there. And John Stewart is comedy, pretty good comedy, I might add, but I seldom watch because at that hour the television is usually watching me.

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 2, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Greenwithenvy, I'm laughing out loud, thanks.

I know Rick Sanchez put his foot, leg, and lower torso in his mouth, but was there animosity between him and John Stewart? I mean Stewart's show is comedy right? Did Sanchez take the jokes badly? I have cast an eye at both shows, but not a regular. Rick had the music thing, sort of like a lot of fluff, but no meat there. And John Stewart is comedy, pretty good comedy, I might add, but I seldom watch because at that hour the television is usually watching me.

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 2, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Greenwithenvy, I'm laughing out loud, thanks.

I know Rick Sanchez put his foot, leg, and lower torso in his mouth, but was there animosity between him and John Stewart? I mean Stewart's show is comedy right? Did Sanchez take the jokes badly? I have cast an eye at both shows, but not a regular. Rick had the music thing, sort of like a lot of fluff, but no meat there. And John Stewart is comedy, pretty good comedy, I might add, but I seldom watch because at that hour the television is usually watching me.

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 2, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Excuse the triple post, computer went haywire!

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 2, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

As previously admitted, I wasn't consciously aware of Sanchez until this incident. But having now watched a few clips of previous performances by both Jon Stewart & Rick Sanchez, I think it's safe to say that Stewart has little respect for Sanchez, and Sanchez is no fan of Stewart's. Tempest in a widely-visible teacup, I'd say.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I'd be shocked if Jon Stewart or Rick Sanchez had ever drawn audiences a third the size of the average "Dancing with the Stars" audience.

Hey, we REAL AMERICANS know what's important.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Thanks slyness, Cassandra.

Cassandra, I do hope you're feeling better. A funny DC story...she has told her father several times that she's more my child than his, as she has my hair (poor thing), body type, Italian coloring, and how she came out of me so she's really more mine than his. Of course, this hurts his feelings, and he asked me to see what I could do about it. So DC and I were watching tv, and a perfect opportunity comes up for me to say 'oh. that's how you got inside of me.' Real basic not-too-many-details sort of that goes there and here's how that happens. She thought for a sec and said "Oh. (pause) Okay. (pause). Well, that makes sense. (pause) Mammals." Big pause then looks up and says "you didn't watch, did you?"

Also, she told me it was dark as pitch last night.

Off to a cocktail party while I'll smile politely and pretend I'm interested. Have a happy night all.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 2, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I haven't had anything post multiple times in quite awhile. It typically takes a long time to post, so I go look at another window until it does. I use Firefox. Like dbG, curious as to what causes the multiple posts.

Posted by: seasea1 | October 2, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Hermione and Sprocket ... cat names?
Boodle thoughts? Herm and Sprock for short, of course. ;~)

I am SO far behind in back-boodling ... but just wanted to thank CqP for the 9th-brain recognition. Agree, dear sister, and it's a curse and a blessing, eh? I yam whut I yam.

So blue and lovely here in the valley today that I want to get down on my knees and shout!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 2, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

LiT

Some days are better than others, but thanks for asking. And that's a real funny story.

Bob S

Thanks for the update. I dont't watch dancing either. By the time I get in and stretch out, I'm out. Just too tired to watch. Sanchez started out in the afternoon, and I caught a glimpse then.

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 2, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

When I was a kid, if you wanted some pitch, you could just ride your bike down to the working areas of the harbor or any of the many other boat landings around Savannah and there was always some laid about. While there weren't lots of wooden boats using it for caulking any more, it was still used regularly on shipping crates, among other things. You may safely assume that ill-gotten pitch was used for my friends' torches. Not because we didn't have flashlights, but because torches were much cooler. (We were always searching for Tom Sawyer-style caves to explore, but around Savannah a deep cave would be a wet cave. There are no hills high enough to have dry caves.)

I'm not sure where I'd go to get some pitch now. I guess I'd start by asking at Fischer Hardware in Springfield. It's an "Ace" now, but still a classic old hardware store. I'm sure somebody could tell me where to lay hands on some pitch.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

[RNM, I want to show what the state of West Virginia looks like on your right hand.

Now make a fist,extend your thumb out to the right(like you are hitchhiking). Now extend the second finger away from your thumb straight up.Please go to the closest mirror you have and look at what you just created. Now think about it for a few minutes while you look at yourself.

Have a nice day

Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 2, 2010 2:31 PM]

See back post greenw...n.y to see how to address a fellow poster...
...but extremely creative for a .....w...n.y. Didn't know I was writing for thoae of you with closet experience, as well as a keen knowledge of anatomy, while you were at it you should have checked your behind to make sure you weren't thinking with it obstructed by brain home. Try back search (ctrl-F), paste Mr. Nomore, jab enter, then keep laughing, WE know it takes all kinds to make a boodle spin round.

Posted by: RichNomore | October 2, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Bob S, from a tree? That is where I tend to pick it up, and so does the boy.

Posted by: baldinho | October 2, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

"Pitch" is, of course, an entirely different specimen from "tar". If I wanted some tar, I just found a road crew or a telephone crew. They were always slapping it on roads or utility poles. No end of the stuff. Even now you don't have to go too far to find somebody putting it on a roof.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

...these, those, and thoae (could be one or more), proper declenchion and sspelling of pronoun, not as important as message.

Posted by: RichNomore | October 2, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Baldinho - That is, of course, the traditional source for southern boys like myself. But LIT's daughter was referring to the dark stuff, which comes from coal & oil operations.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Ooops, I'm an idiot. Of course, pine pitch is one of the products of heating wood to make charcoal, and it's as pitch black as you could desire.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

LiT, your DC is pitch perfect! I know she's a bit older than my son was (3) when he pitched the phrase at me that has stuck like glue ... we refer to it anytime someone needs any extra luvin'.

"Momhead, I love you as much as an ant thinks the world is."

Posted by: talitha1 | October 2, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Don't parse it, just imagine it.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 2, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

R-no-mo, I think you just crossed a line in addressing green. I don't get hackles raised online often ... but I'm out for bear on your butt! She-bear.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 2, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Here's an homework assignment for y'all, Ms/Mr/Mrs envy, take a poll of all your friends, don't bother to try to count them on your fingers it may distract from other important activities":

* Does the Media have more or less responsibility to protect the rights and safety of individuals over groups than even government?

* Does the Media frequently Abbrogate or Fullfill that Responsibility?

* Does any person or group have the right to be seen and/or heard except by his representatives in government?

* Which opinion is more important in a Democratic-Republic, a group's or an individual's?

No right or wrong, but the answers say a lot about whether you are a fence-sitter or an activist, a poet or a warrior, or a Warrior-Poet.

Posted by: RichNomore | October 2, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

an ant reference?

I'm scratchin' my thorax
And wavin' my antennas
I'm here on my ant hill
Just hangin' with my ant friends
I've got my big crumb
About 30 times my weight
(It's not a problem, ants are strong!)

F is for fun, F is for fun
F is for fake-believe

Posted by: baldinho | October 2, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Baww, waahh, no one will carry my koolaid for me.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 2, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

And ... with 17 seconds left in the game Michigan beat Indiana 42-35.

*whew*

Tomorrow the Lions face Green Bay, IIRC. Um, not that it matters, really, but, well, you know ..........

Posted by: ftb3 | October 2, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Classic question-begging from RNm about "responsibility".

Media are just... media. What I might choose to do with a newspaper or skywriting airplane is almost certainly not what RNm would do with the same access to the same medium. In either case, I'm not sure how to correctly assess "responsibility" to tenuously-described interests.

I'll tell you who's got a responsibility: The government has a responsibility to keep its hands off of me & RichNomore & Rush Limbaugh & the WashPost editorial board & that mean-spirited shriveled-soul prick who keeps demonstrating at soldiers' funerals when we use various media to advocate our various viewpoints. And all the rest of you have a responsibility to remind the government to keep its mitts off.

Let's not forget - While the government has a responsibility to allow me & RichNomore & the creepy Kansan holy man to have our say, the Washington Post and Fox News Network are under no similar obligation. If we want to reach the folks (or claim to represent vox populi), that soapbox may well have to be purchased with our own dimes.

The only thing "the media" owe us is to earn our dollars if they wish to stay in business. I buy the Post and click on ads at the website. [In fact, I get a subversive joy from clicking on ads for products & services of which I disapprove. Costing them money amuses me.] I contribute to NPR. I banter with RNm because the world needs a few gadflys.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tager
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luuqhAS0x6o

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 2, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Tager's up for parole this month!

Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Antennae ...

I have a very large, elusive and loud cricket in the house. I know crickets on the hearth bring good luck but, so far, this one hasn't found the hearth. 8~]

Posted by: talitha1 | October 2, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Jumper - Hat's off to you. Your commentary on RNm's rhetorical broadside was much more pithy & to-the-point than my own.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I think it's time for a song ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCbOEZ8c8dM&feature=related

Posted by: talitha1 | October 2, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Bob S, the Kansasses and their church are a great story. A group of people who claim to be religious but all have law degrees go around and purposely antagonize people wherever they go with the goal of getting assaulted and suing for damages.

If I were a person who didn't care about having a criminal record, I'd just set up a defense fund and organize people to show up wherever the Kansas church group goes and just pop them in the mouth. Every time.

You think that my group would ever lack for defense fund donations?

The "church" works within the limits of the law. Once again, and in a truly American way, a great story.

Americans are a very clever lot.

I'd put the Kansas group right up with gambling touts that run ads on TV and the radio looking to make money off something that is illegal in 99% of the country. I also hear advertisements for people who make a good living out of getting tax deadbeats settlements with the IRS so they only pay pennies for each dollar that they owe. Other advertisements run specifically trolling for people who have elderly relatives that might need to go into a home in the future. The tag line "You worked hard to earn that money. Do you want to see all your life savings go towards eldercare? It won't if you call me. I'll show you how to protect YOUR money so the government picks up the tab."

We are a clever lot.

Posted by: baldinho | October 2, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

...and Mr.-S, the world needs gad Bobs who know instictively, maybe without that pesky Consteetushun that implicitly and explicitly says what the government must, MUST keep it's claws off of. First, but not necessarily most important, what I buy or don't buy, regardless of what others may think, write or say is my responsibility. Coercion in that regard just adds criminal behaviour to already unlawful intent. Ya, ya, ya, I buy Auto Insurance, but I don't have to drive and be licensed. Just try to force me to get in a car and drive where I don't want to go, and you will see, hear and read my disgust for the creatures calling themselves OUR leaders who codify such un-American impulses. Term limits are a coming don't stand on the tracks.

Posted by: RichNomore | October 2, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Those darned Jews are at it again. It's not enough that they dominate the news & entertainment media and the world financial markets. Now they're moving into the home-grown organic pharmaceutical industry:

"CBS radio correspondent, wife charged in marijuana case"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/02/AR2010100203734.html?hpid=newswell

Where's Rick Sanchez when we need his hard-hitting commentary?


Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of REAL AMERICANS, the WalMart in Culpepah is where to find them on a Saturday night.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 2, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Well, you guys are a lot of fun on a Saturday night! See ya tomorrow.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 2, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

this is a test

Posted by: seasea1 | October 2, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

yello... we have gone to the Wal-mart in Culpeper just for entertainment.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 2, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I think I remember seeing a sign warning all faux-Americans to be out of Culpeper by sundown on Saturday nights.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

...Rick Sanchez has joined the Fun-Employed DNCNN was so cheerful to report those people in Calyforneea were enjoying at the beginning of the 'Summer of Recovery'. Maybe he will join those who are still happy about the vacation WE all are most likely paying for at some level...

Maybe he isn't really gone, forgotten, just an October Surprise, he is with them still. Maybe a resurrection, that would be surprising. They could give him LKL's seat at the table, he's retiring soon, maybe. WE thought Spitzer was out of the game, remember?

Posted by: RichNomore | October 2, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

RichNomore - So you agree with me, then? How very perspicacious of you!

Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

seasea - Did we pass your test?

Posted by: Bob-S | October 2, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

The local Walmart hosts different populations according to the time of day and day of the week. Late weekday mornings seem to be for infirm retirees. Friday evenings, everyone who went hungry Thursday waiting for a paycheck. At various times, there's young Germans doing flight training, often for Lufthansa.

The game of complaining about "the media" may have been a bit justified when major cities had two newspapers and maybe four television stations. The latter were highly regulated, so there was a degree of de facto news censorship.

Conservatives who think US papers are too left wing might visit the Guardian sometime. I was a bit taken aback by columnist Mike Gonzalez's comment that the government of Colombia is in "bitter conflict" with its own majority population.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 2, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

So... I got to tease (shouldn't have, but I got a chuckle... the hottest woman in the Obama cabinet today.

Posted by: russianthistle | October 2, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who attacks greenwithenvy is going have to deal with Very Angry Yoki. And you really don't want that. Take my word for it.

Posted by: Yoki | October 3, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

But of course, Bob. No, I was futzing around trying to double post, but it didn't do it.

Posted by: seasea1 | October 3, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Uh-Oh, Yoki and I are both loaded for bear? *Somebody* better watch their step.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrTGE4wwwA&feature=related

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Oh talitha1, you are fabulous! Yup, that's why he's known as Mr. NoMore.

Posted by: Yoki | October 3, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

take heed, rnm. he who hesitates is lunch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvJnsNs-LDE

Posted by: -jack- | October 3, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

jack!

Posted by: Yoki | October 3, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

put on some headphones and play this. loud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWmXchIZqw0

Posted by: -jack- | October 3, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

My last visit to the local Wal-Mart was Wednesday. The item I purchased was much less expensive there than at its competitors, as usual.

What was unusual was I did not see a single person with a goiter there.

I have family members who have recently and who currently are employed at Wal-Mart, lest some try to claim that I look down my elite nose at the place.

Posted by: baldinho | October 3, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Bear hug and a discreet smooch to jack. *grinning*

dear Yoki, my fellow hunter and sister in mischief and wonderment ... just talitha, no '1'... that's wapo's doing. ;)

Ain't life grand? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mImGOqTb1QM&feature=related

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 2:39 AM | Report abuse

I found it! ... I found it!

http://ilike.myspacecdn.com/play#Kate+Wolf:Telluride:152947:s28203137.8801169.14035778.0.2.187%2Cstd_914ad65bf44c46a193cf3dd478571707

Kate Wolf's song about my beloved Telluride. Oh, hurrah!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 3:15 AM | Report abuse

Oh, fn. I realize now that it requires one to google and fiddle (Kate Wolf - Telluride song) to get the whole shebang. Apologies to those who don't care to work that hard for a song. But I've been trying to find it for years (there's no video and I've not found the audio).

Ah, well ... Telluride is at the end of a box canyon with one road leading in and out. As we always said, you have to want to go there to find it. ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 3:28 AM | Report abuse

Good morning boodle!

I wanted to take a couple of minutes to share my experiences yesterday and then contrast and compare. I spend my Saturdays doing something that I enjoy doing now, but dreaded at first and that is to be a vendor at a farmer's market. I happen to spend my entire Saturdays at Eastern Market. It is usually a lot of fun.

Yesterday was remarkable in that, with the economic downturn, we make a lot less money than we used to, but yesterday was a very good day. Clearly, the difference was the presence of folks who were in DC for the various demonstrations. Not only was it great to talk to folks from all over, but the energy and fun that they shared with us was very good.

What I would like to mention is that there are two Americas right now. I was also at the Market for the Glenn Beck Nazi hate in America thing. I think, though I said good morning hundreds of times, I got a few hello's back that morning. I also, like most of my vendor friends, sold next to nothing to them. I did sell $6 to one fellow and he kept up an annoying chatter, peppering it by calling me "buddy" all the time.

Yesterday, it was just a lot of fun with folks who were here in support of people working for and with people. Yesterday was a time to say "education and not war." Yesterday was a time to say "take care of the seniors."

AND, yesterday was a day of enjoying a bit of DC while you were here. This is in contrast with the thousands who came to DC with Beck and who basically were so scared of Black people and white folks like me who through some unknown force don't share that fear. They were armed with warnings of the dangers of certain DC neighborhoods and lines like stay off the Green line entirely. This fear and anger was written all over their faces a month or so ago.

Many of the vendors yesterday sold twice their usual amounts for this time of year and these economic situations.

With that, I say a simple thanks to all the progressives and union folks who came by the market. It was certainly nice to meet everyone. It was even nicer to know that there is such spirit for one nation left. The thought that we can all do right by each other and feel good about it is worth noting.

(as a side note, the UAW had helpers all over the metro and key transit points giving general directions. To think that there are an increasing number of folks in Congress and many supporters who have a huge problem with the country saving it's auto industry... successfully, I might add. Those folks want jobs, but do nothing to save them.)

ALSO, the takeaway is that those jobs in business came here and spent money. I will go and spend that money. That is the ECONOMY. Little common folks having and spending money. If we don't spend money in October, we won't have to worry about the deficit in 2025.

Posted by: russianthistle | October 3, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

This is from the Tom Friedman Op-ed in the NYT today:

“We basically have two bankrupt parties bankrupting the country,” said the Stanford University political scientist Larry Diamond. Indeed, our two-party system is ossified; it lacks integrity and creativity and any sense of courage or high-aspiration in confronting our problems. We simply will not be able to do the things we need to do as a country to move forward “with all the vested interests that have accrued around these two parties,” added Diamond. “They cannot think about the overall public good and the longer term anymore because both parties are trapped in short-term, zero-sum calculations,” where each one’s gains are seen as the other’s losses.


I don't think I disagree with any of that.

Posted by: baldinho | October 3, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. Russianthistle, I so enjoyed reading your observations, and it sounds as if you enjoyed the day. Good for you. I'll bet it was fun meeting new people that smiled and didn't smirk.

Getting ready for Sunday morning worship, won't you join me?

Have a lovely day, folks, and love to all.

Slyness, there's a chill here this morning, and I'm loving it,

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 3, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

A job may be lost
but the heart remains in place
strong steady loving

Posted by: DNA_Girl | October 3, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

I just watched the week in review clip from The Daily Show.

I have not laughed as hard as i did about the "Jimmy Donn for Congress" ad in a long long time.

Posted by: baldinho | October 3, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Ante Meridian, all...

The oncoming clouds and rain are far too appropriate today. A dear, dear aunt has taken a sudden turn for the worse, and isn't expected to improve. *SIGHHHHHHHH*

Indeed, baldinho, indeed. And unfortunately, the high-profile alternative to the two parties boils down to pounding a fist on the table. Ai chihuahua.

*not-really-in-the-mood-but-someone's-gotta-do-it Grover motions*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 3, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

LIke this, Scotty?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EgaKUrykjE

Posted by: baldinho | October 3, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Very sad to hear about your dear, dear aunt, Snuke. I'll fax some comfort to you, some of which you can fax onward to her.

Clothes to be taken from washer to dryer momentarily (when I hear the *ding* go off), then breakfast (well, in addition to the one in the boodle-teria) and then water the indoor jungle. Sounds like a plan, I'd say.

I'd like to take this opportuniky to wish the Lions well. *sigh* As for the Redskins ... whatever ...

Have a great Sunday, all.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 3, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Scotty, I'm sorry to hear about your aunt.

Cassandra, I have on a SWEATER! And it feels good! So glad temps in the 90's are behind us.

I'm trying to get the Geekdottir up so she can go to church with us. There is a new program during the Sunday School hour I think she'll enjoy. Getting her out of bed, though, that's an issue.

Have a great day, everyone!

Posted by: slyness | October 3, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Michael Moore on what the Democrats are doing wrong.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/five-ways-the-democrats-c_b_746761.html
I agree with 3.5 of these which is a new record for Michael and me.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 3, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all.

Lotsa goodies from yesterday's brunchfest out on the table.

Dashing off to the local farmer's market and other places on this v. cool autumn day.

The MLB post-season slots that were up for grabs Friday are still up for grabs on the supposedly last day of the regular season. To summarize:

AL: TB is the AL East champ with a win against KC OR a loss coupled with a Yankees loss to Boston. The Yanks will be the AL wild card unless they win and TB loses.

NL: SD, SF and Atlanta are all still in the hunt for the last two NL playoff slots. Atlanta is playing Philly and SD and SF face each other.
ATL win & SF win/SD loss: SF wins the NL West and ATL's the wild card.
ATL loss and SF loss/SD win: SD wins the NL West and SF's the wild card.
ATL loss and SF win/SD loss: SF wins the NL West and ATL & SD must play a tiebreaker game to determine the wild card.
ATL win and SF loss/SD win: The mother lode scenario. SD & SF play Monday to determine the NL West champ and the loser flies to ATL for a game Tuesday to determine the wild card.

And da Bears play tonight. Oh joy!

Posted by: MsJS | October 3, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning everyone.
Snuke so sorry to hear about your aunt,keep the faith brother.
I traded shifts with a co-worker,so I could be off for today Ravens/Steelers game.It should be another great game in this heated rivalry.I just hope Joe(cool)Flacco can keep his cool and deliver his passes to some of his favorite targets.It would be nice to get an early lead and take the crowd out of the game.Those terrible towel waving squealer fans can get loud.Also it is a shame Big Ben had to shake his money-maker during the offseason and miss this game.Look for a defensive battle and a physical hard fought game.
We want to win,but I'd be happy having a good game and hearing Heeeeeeeaaaappppp over the squealers crowd.

Also I hope the Skins and McNabb put a scare into the Eagles,a bit of revenge for Mr. McNabb.

Ok ,out the door and up the road,I am heading into enemy territory to watch this one.

Have a Great day everyone

Purple with envy

Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 3, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Scotty very sorry to hear about your aunt.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 3, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Sending a hug to Scotty... sorry about your aunt.

Got up at 4:30 with Son of G this morning to make him coffee and send him off on his drive back home. He's scheduled to work today at 1:00, so needed a very early start for the long drive.

He hadn't been home since June, so it was a fun family weekend.

I hope all of your various sports teams beat the other various sports teams you do not support today.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 3, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Yello, I'd disagree with Michael Moore on all 5.

To me, all five would be perfect examples of what the guy from Stanford was talking about in the Friedman column.

They would be gimmicks designed to rile people up in the short-term and not pay attention to much more pressing things. They would simply take the partisan rhetoric up another notch and get more of the fringes hollering even louder.

I don't like any campaign or tactic that is based entirely on your opponent or on stoking anger and resentment against "them", whoever "them" is.

To me, the one about arresting the people that caused the financial collapse is curious. We all caused it in a way, and literally millions of people caused it directly. Would you arrest all the real estate agents and appraisers and financial gurus and bankers and loan officers and mutual fund managers? Pretty much all of them went along for the ride, at least in areas of the country that the real estate market skyrocketed. Pretty much all of them got burned.

Posted by: baldinho | October 3, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

The Fix is IN, DCNN Proves
Every day in every way,
the Demothugs are now running as fast as they can away from themselves...
Donna Bazaille (on CNN, Sunday Morning), Serial Global Groper (Al Goreleoni's) Campaign Advisoooor (2000), says the elections(2010, stupid) will hinge (or un-hinge) on which side can more successfully convince the voters it didn't listen to the people least. If you follow that, you understand why WE had 8 more years to prepare for the Mayhem now being waged on America by a apostate gang of invaders from Chitcago-Land now camped round-about OUR Hill and House, intent on bringing an end to the Engine of Prosperity that fueled a un-precedented rise to prominence in the world (whether one thinks this is a good or bad thing, pretty much frames the political landscape today). The side one takes on this single issue may decide not only your personal fortune and future, but the future and fortune of America for Generations to come. So what would the sultans of despair replace that Engine with? A pedal-powered, flatulence heated, GM-Yugo Hybrid, recycled from habitat for D**b*sses Jimmy Cartier's, tune-in, turn-down(or downturn) your thermostats, and enjoy hostage-land, while hugging a tree and kissing a rock, ears to the ground, shoulders to the wheel, noses to the grind-stone. Yeh, let's not turn back the clock, it's OUR economy and WE need recovery now, not promises and excuses for promises broken! Mr. First-Ever Obama can stay awile, but the rest of y'all must go...

Posted by: RichNomore | October 3, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Exactly where are you proposing we all to be going, RNm?

Like it or not, we all aren't going anywhere any more than you are. You can continue to rant about it with slogans that are as useless as any the left can cook up. This probably provides some short-term amusement value, but let's face it: rants seldom change anything.

We get that. Do you? Not the WE you're so fond of cloaking yourself in, but you personally. So far, there's no evidence of that which is a pity cuz despite your best efforts to hide it we know there's functioning gray matter between your ears that was put there for some purpose other than verbal m@ster b@tion.

Posted by: MsJS | October 3, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Snuke, CasaJS thoughts and prayers are with you, your aunt and the Nukeclan.

The timing is indelicate, but you might want to consider making your tiara picks for the week.

You too, PJ.

Posted by: MsJS | October 3, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Scotty, I am sorry to hear about your aunt, best wishes and prayers from me to you.

The granddaughters just left after staying overnight. I found an old pattern for cat and dog pillows, one that I had used in sewing class in 7th grade and we started making cat pillows last night. The faces are embroidered and the transfers, being so old, were a bit of a challenge, but we managed and they have them half done. Surprisingly, the younger granddaughter is more adept at needle work than the older one. Possibly because the older one has turned into chatty Cathy and wasn't especially focused on the task at hand. It was fun tho' and they have it to look forward to the next time they come.

Dreary day, going to take a walk and then just be a slug for the rest of the afternoon. Pats don't play til tomorrow night so don't have to worry about football today.

Posted by: badsneakers | October 3, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Scottynuke, Rowlf and Fozzibear reach out with big clumsy arms to give Grover a hug and a smile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnFQevPl_1o
__________

Good Sunday to all. Earl Grey, croissants and peaches for a late brunch ... breezy sunshine on the side.

Weed, didn't realize you were doing your vending at Eastern Market! I've done some of that there myself back in the day ... threads, not veggies. Enjoyed reading your narration of the folks you meet and their "various presentations", and I'm entertaining thoughts about 10/30. Or will the market be closed by then? Also, has the restoration since the fire been satisfactory for the long-time vendors?
Sweet to know you are there giving smiles to the shoppers.

On a more sour note ... R-no-mo, why don't you just bury those tired bones somewhere? You can dig them up in the middle of winter when everyone needs something to gnaw ...

Hope all those whose eyes are on a ball (foot-, golf?) have a winning day!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Good beautiful Sunday morning all.

Talitha, I love the ant. And Momhead. What a perspective. I'll bet he grew up to be a really creative person.

RNM, I thought about some form of sundown syndrome, but it's morning so that theory's no good. I also thought of she who can't be named (Betelguese!) as some of your phrasing is the same, but that would mean you'd quit taking antipsychotics. So...what's the deal? Why the yelling, the words that aren't words and the acronyms that no one can figure out? And what the heck is your problem with Italian people? You should be careful...someone might put a hurtin on you.

Again, this is a forum for intelligent thoughtful discussions and the occassional silliness. It's not a place for one person to rant and rave as if you have all the answers and the rest of us are just too thick to get with the program. Some of your ideas seem to be in line with part of the country, while others are so far outside the mainstream they're downright alien, and others still are too whacked to decipher. Stick with the first, ditch the last two, and you might be thought of as intelligent rather than in need of medication.

Please try to get along. I know you know how.

TBG, I'll bet the time with SoG was filled with laughs. Next time you see him, please kiss the man for me.

BobS...I love ya madly. But I'm sure all the girls tell ya that.

Have a happy day all.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 3, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

No, No, No, LIT

OUR problem is the Deep Do Do, No Jobs on the Horizon Technological disaster the Clothesless King and his Adminimumstration has US all snared in NOW...

In the spirit of Apologizism...
Sorry to interupt such prosaically eloquent attempts to carry on the serial mis-characterization of the TP in general and it's effect specifically in the Primary Season (now over, if y'all missed the news), but WE are fully involved with the Democrat idea for America's future, and 50-85% of US do not like the look, feel or smell of it. So the only hope for y'all is to engage, embroil, and embarass (3E's) the Republican Coalition in an attempt to cover the KING and his no-clothes, Alinsky Agenda, totally revealed in all it's Infamy, going on three years running (2008-2010). Pardon US if WE are late in the game and some of OUR activism is not as smoothly and slickly executed as ACORN, SEIU, and GEIU, but WE are quick learners when it's OUR country and keisters in your sling!

Posted by: RichNomore | October 3, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Can you spell m.a.s.o.c.h.i.s.t.?

Akkkk ..... can't believe I took the time, but there it is.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

WE? Y'all? There's only one boat, and we're all in it. I'm all in favor of spirited debate out where to steer it, but cutting it in half ain't an option.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 3, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

RNM, not only did you miss my point (try again?), but you're misstating the political situation as it is today and are too narrow in your focus of how to proceed (there are other options besides your 3Es).

I've tried, tried, and tried again. I wouldn't have done so if I hadn't thought you had the potential to contribute in a positive way, but I think I'm going to have to stop banging my head against this wall...it's starting to hurt and so far all I've done is remove a couple layers of paint.

Time to yell at the tv like the players can hear me. Have a happy day all, and to those of you with a horse in the race, good luck.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 3, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I *heart* ya both, BobS and LiT!

Posted by: MsJS | October 3, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm sad to hear about your aunt, Scotty. My best to you and your family.

I'm in, MsJS.

Posted by: -pj- | October 3, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Two really, reeeeeeally weird toon cooties ... why do these things occur in a non-fevered, sober mind?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE4o1L1YXoM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGlOUc0LTiE
_______

So I counteracted with this -----

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8s9dmuAKvU

Worked wonders!
Someone needs to give me a radio station. ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

scc: er, "tune" cooties.
But toon cuties, ala B.Boop are fun, too.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Just caught part of "Wait Until Dark" on TCM while eating a lovely lunch. I saw that movie on the big screen when it came out and I was in my last year at U of Michigan. Stupidly, I think I went to see it alone -- and after a close call with some guy at a frat party (yes, I did go to those on occasion -- I was young, k?). It truly scared the veritables out of me, and I thought that even though he only had a couple of lines at the start and a couple of lines at the end, Efrem Zimbalist was really bad. Alan Arkin, on the other hand, was *really, really, really -- you know -- evilly baddddddddd*. At the theater, I recall screaming at the appropriate moments, and thank goodness I wasn't the only one who did so.

*brrrrrr*

Audrey Hepburn was good, though. But she pretty much always was. Still love "Roman Holiday" and always will.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 3, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Friedman's column this morning is correct in that both parties have participated in rendering Congress nonfunctional, except perhaps for lobbyists. The House might, perhaps, be cleaned up by normal means, if there's a determined Speaker with ample support. That won't happen with a new Republican majority in 2011, what with many of the new members being in a mood for fun mischief, like shutting down the Department of Health and Human Services, EPA, and some others.

The Senate needs to be turned into something like its Canadian equivalent.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 3, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Dave - That's easily accomplished. Just turn Americans into something more like their Canadian equivalents.

Hmmm... might be harder than I thought.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 3, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The Canadian Senate as a role model - DoTC you just gave me the best laugh of the day.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 3, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The Senate at work, committee Meeting for Defense and National Security. On the upside at least these Senators appeared to be a) alive and b) awake - a pleasant change.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=979_1246589750

Posted by: dmd3 | October 3, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, Hugs!

Quiet day around here, trying to decide between several different house/petsitting options while I'm in Ft. Lauderdale in November. I hope to have it settled out by next week.

Hope everyone has some unexpected (or expected) joy today!

Posted by: -dbG- | October 3, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

ftb --- Wait Until Dark (I was also tuned into TCM while it aired) was one of the movies of that era, along with Bonnie and Clyde and Once Upon a Time in the West, that "shaped" my never-to-be-naive-again view of the world. My recollection is that I was with a date when I saw them, but I don't recall the boy/man, only the movies. *wiping brow*

Alan Arkin was and still is one of my favorite actors ... from The Heart is a Lonely Hunter to The Russians are Coming! (rinse and repeat) to Catch22 ... heck, even Little Miss Sunshine ... he never disappoints. But Wait Until Dark --- jeepers, creepers!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

...sooo...

We the People need to do what it takes to right the sinking rudderless ship and make sure it reaches it's appointed destination.

Born to run...
The Fix is IN, DCNN Proves
Every day in every way...
the Demothugs are now running as fast as they can away from themselves...
Donna Bazaille (on CNN, Sunday Morning), Serial Global Groper (Al Goreleoni's) Campaign Advisoooor (2000), says the elections(2010, stupid) will hinge (or un-hinge) on which side can more successfully convince the voters it didn't listen to the people least. If you follow that, you understand why WE had 8 more years to prepare for the Mayhem now being waged on America by a apostate gang of invaders from Chitcago-Land now camped round-about OUR Hill and House, intent on bringing an end to the Engine of Prosperity that fueled a un-precedented rise to prominence in the world (whether one thinks this is a good or bad thing, pretty much frames the political landscape today). The side one takes on this single issue may decide not only your personal fortune and future, but the future and fortune of America for Generations to come. So what would the sultans of despair replace that Engine with? A pedal-powered, flatulence heated, GM-Yugo Hybrid, recycled from habitat for D**b*sses Jimmy Cartier's, tune-in, turn-down(or downturn) your thermostats, and enjoy hostage-land, while hugging a tree and kissing a rock, ears to the ground, shoulders to the wheel, noses to the grind-stone. Yeh, let's not turn back the clock, it's OUR economy and WE need recovery now, not promises and excuses for promises broken! Mr. First-Ever Obama can stay awile, but the rest of them must go...
...we the people have spoken...so shall we vote...

Posted by: RichNomore | October 3, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

DaveoftheCoo..ies,

Who shuts down business, businesses, and Gov'mint when they are either a majority or a minority again, Daveof...........? Do I hear a "D", do I hear a...............ah heck there's already so much do do goin' aroun', don'cha think? Dave...............

Posted by: RichNomore | October 3, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey, dbG! I was thinking of you the last couple of days as I "muck out", because you inspired me back in the summer.

You might get a kick out of this --- my newly hired "handyperson" is a lady about my age (older than rocks) who has made her living for years at plumbing, wiring, construction, yardwork, you-name-it. Together, we have moved tons of extraneous stuff, from both inside and outside the house, and done a number on "zenning" the place. Salute to Linda --- may she earn her fee, live long and prosper.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

RNM, you've convinced me completely with your flawless and eloquent arguments. (I especially like Jimmy "Cartier".)

Now will you go away? Thanks ever so.

Posted by: seasea1 | October 3, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to knit a Cartier sweater for R-no-mo ... then invite the moths in for a feast.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I haven't changed my mind about preferring Scotty's advice to ignore, ignore, ignore.

"S" is watching the Sawx last game of the year. They are currently leading the Yanks, which is nice but meaningless unless you're a Tampa fan (I think). This fact is hard to grasp but of course, wait til next year! ;-)

Posted by: badsneakers | October 3, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Dog's recent bookbag:
"The art of Racing in the Rain"
and "One Good Dog."

-Wilbrodog-

Note: four paws, no vote.
(Well,animal legislation
does make me speak out.)


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 3, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

i saw wait until dark when i was in 5th grade. for me, the scariest movie ever. fwiw, there's a difference between scary and gross, like the texas chain saw massacre, and all of the rest in the splatter genre. now that i think of it, don't look now was pretty scary.

Posted by: -jack- | October 3, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

OH! Green-with-envy is happy right now! Go Ravens! Can they hold on for 32 seconds?

Posted by: -TBG- | October 3, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

A bit over 6 minutes left in Q4, and Detroit (alas) is down 28-26. I refuse (je refuse!) to pay attention.

Have any of you all rummaged through a closet or two, looking for something specific, yet finding so many other things that it made you sit down and rummage further ... and remember? I found my mother's pin cushion (that she made herself in high school, I think, which was wayyyyyyy back in the '20s) in the shape of a tomato, with something tied onto it in the shape of a strawberry. All filled with (probably) sawdust, or something like it. Man, do I miss her!

And, as Snuke (and others among us) suggests: *do not engage*

Time to sew on a button, methinks.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 3, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

And they did! Woo hoo!

Posted by: -TBG- | October 3, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

S'nuke, sorry to hear about your aunt. Always hard.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 3, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

A question about the $15/week eatapalooza(not!):

Lab students went apple picking and gave me a bagful (return gift for all the times I've treated them to fruit picking). Are those free? If not, I have to make some adjustments. In the meantime here is my

Overview of food items and costs for the week:

Green Moong dal (dry) = $0.8
Black beans can = $1
Red kidney beans can = $1
Marie tea biscuits pack = $1
Apples (9) = gift from lab students, free?
Onion flatbread (10 pieces) = $3
Choco muesli--yay Switzerland! ($4/15 servings) = $1.9
Oats ($2.7/15 servings) = $1.3
Whole milk 1/2 gallon = $2 (1/2 to make yoghurt, 1/2 to dilute to 2.5% and have with muesli/oats)
Yoghurt raita with tomatoes ($2 for 6) and cucumber ($0.7 for 1)
Ginger (must have for tea) = regular gift from aunt (really fresh from NJ Indian stores), free?

In general, I eat meat and fish (sushi) about once a month each, when I eat out/visit family so this diet is not much of a change except I had to remove carrots, sugar snap peas, spinach, red/green peppers, strawberries, grapes and other sundry fruit from the weekly grocery list. And cheese :-(
Making my own flatbread/cooking rice instead of buying onion flatbread could've saved some dough, but I don't have the time next week.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | October 3, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Love, love, love boodle sports commentary!

When accompanied by canine haiku and other gnomelove ... well, Sunday afternoons are made luxurious.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

talitha,
I have a distinctly un-zen yard. A bed, currently in the planning stage, already has a waiting list of prospective tenants.

Saw a big moonvine at Pelican Island National Wildlife Refuge on Saturday, along with quite a lot of beach sunflowers. Young live oaks are growing nicely in an area that's being restored to native vegetation.

The Refuge did get lots of nasty phone calls for herbiciding a wall of thriving, bright green Brazilian pepper along the highway. It's an invasive species.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 3, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

... and the Lions are on their way to yet another perfect season ...

*sigh*

Posted by: ftb3 | October 3, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

LiT - you are a dear for trying so hard to reason with RNM. I know this impulse, and the optimism from which it arises, well. Alas, if I have learned one thing in my 48 years, it is that people are often driven by internal forces against which we are powerless.

Speaking of existential angst, how 'bout them Nats?

Posted by: RD_Padouk | October 3, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

As are the Panthers, ftb, I'm not watching either. But Carolina won yesterday and State lost, so all is well in the T household...

Posted by: slyness | October 3, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I think Detroit will surprise someone this year, ftb.

Posted by: -pj- | October 3, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

DotC, if I had a garden in Florida or on Kaua'i, especially with a boodlefriend such as yourself to do virtual tending, it would be over-run with zen verdancy! Here I'm winterizing and happily so ... the bulbs are in and spring will surprise even me.

Does anyone read Wordsworth these days? I'm probably just a'gloaming by myself, but anyone who wants to strap on their 19th century boots are welcomed.
________


The clouds that gather round the setting sun
Do take a sober colouring from an eye
That hath kept watch o'er man's mortality;
Another race hath been, and other palms are won.
Thanks to the human heart by which we live,
Thanks to its tenderness, its joys, and fears,
To me the meanest flower that blows can give
Thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears.


Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Yoki, this is for you:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130244644
the audio will be up soon.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | October 3, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I love spring because I forget what bulbs have been planted where over the years, so I'm always surprised by what comes up.

Posted by: seasea1 | October 3, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, DNA_Girl! I bought that album literally 2 minutes after midnight on the 14th of September, when it was released. Love it.

Posted by: Yoki | October 3, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, everyone, I appreciate the support, as always. No updates to report... *SIGH*

The 'Skins are surprising the heck outta the Iggles, as well as a few tiara-chasers...

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 3, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and it appears Limburger will "guest-star" on Fox's animated "Family Guy" this evening.

A cartoon Limburger... The word "redundant" comes to mind.

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 3, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

For anyone with access to TCM? (dmd, thinking of you and your daughter), To Kill a Mockingbird is beening shown at 10:15pm EDT tonight, right after Mr. Smith Goes to Washington at 8:00. Riches never cease.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RD_Padouk,
*snort*

...just couldn't leave it alone could you. Shouldn't you be a worry'n more about the near totally transparent excuses-in-chief and his no-clothes agenda gone wrong, instead of trying to 'break on through to the other side' of an individual, in the vain hope one would somehow be turned away from the reasonable, fair ground one stands on or falls from, just to validate you and your community of opinions, instead of remaining true to the higher instinct? Hope that isn't too complicated, WE are growing weary of pullin' more of the wagon with so many who refuse to join the effort.

Posted by: RichNomore | October 3, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Only Wordsworth I have on hand are two minor works; not his Notes on Tinturn Abbey, alas.

I'm surfing through my anthology while Wilbrodog chases a muse up a tree.

I like to drool in hunger
because I know it's true--
Smells do not sham a kitchen
nor stimulate, a dough.

Our noses glaze once-- and that is Death--
impossible to feign
The Dull in the nostril
by tombed Poison stung.

-Wilbrodog Dickinson-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 3, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

*Rowlf waves at Grover*

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, all (well, "most"). At least the games the Lions have lost this season have been squeakers, which shows that the gumption level is much higher than it used to be.

I would love to stay up and watch "To Kill A Mockingbird" again -- such a wonderful adaptation of such a wonderful book (still trying to find my copy to re-read). It portrays the institutional history that is lacking these days, I think.

DNA_Girl, one of these days I'll pop up on your doorstep and ask you (politely, of course) for recipes and samples of your gloriously aromatic cooking. I *do* like Indian food -- the spicier, the better.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 3, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

LiT is a Believer. It may help her this week.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 3, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, TBG...

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 3, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Astounding... One set of stonehands away from a miraculous Iggles win. *shrug*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 3, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrodog, give your fair lady respite.
Tinturn's folks lie well
and Emily's awake, but resting.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

ftb! At last, something I know! The little strawberry on the pincushion is filled with emery. It was used to sharpen needles.

Posted by: nellie4 | October 3, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

sharpening needles
jump falling like Louis Moon
into the unknown

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 3, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

That little strawberry isn't quite the honer he thinks ... tell it to my needles. He's very good at removing residue from wool and fingers, but only new needles are sharp needles, alas.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

In other sporting news, the Georgia Tech WreckRacing team won the $2010 GrassRoots Motorsport challenge.

http://picasaweb.google.com/maierj/GRM2010Challenge?fgl=true&pli=1#5523247300444029778


Posted by: yellojkt | October 3, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for that info Nellie. It makes sense that that's what it's for, but I never thought about it and of course mine is long gone. Talitha, maybe it's like knives, you can 'sharpen' them at home but nothing beats getting them done professionally - not that that is a solution for needles ;-)

Okay there were two double 'thats' in the above paragraph and I can't stop feeling weird about it.

Posted by: badsneakers | October 3, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Posting the same comment over and over is boring.

TBG, I thought Donovan would be more motivated than the Eagles.

RD, thanks. It's not that I don't know that type exists, it's that I want to make sure that's what it is before I become dismissive. I now know that he knows his posts look insane compared to everything else on the boodle, that he knows his comments contribute nothing positive, and he says things he can't possibly believe (or is contradictory to something else he said) just to get a rise. I kinda feel sorry that this is the best he can muster. I'll bet his momma had higher hopes.

Timer went off! Cake's done!

Posted by: LostInThought | October 3, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I am predicting a distaff wearer of the tiara this week.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 3, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Lend me your handyperson, talitha.

I decided Cutter would be more comfortable at home, so expect to meet prospective home petsitters sometime before next week. If we all like them, great. If not, it's to a private room at a rescue which will keep both dogs together, letting them into a large run 4-5 times a day.

Made gallons of red bean/sausage soup today. Time for bed. Night, all.

Posted by: -dbG- | October 3, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Tiara worn by whoma, yello?

Sneaks and nellie, I'm giggling about the strawberry needle honing. Professional sharpening is indeed called for with knives and scissors ... needles not so much. I go through them so quickly, I guess ... a dull one is easily replaced from the sharp and new stash. (Never mind the sizes, eye-widths, blunts and sharps and crewels and ... well, you get the idea.) Want to talk about broken heddle strings on a loom?
Love you both!

I want to thank the boodle, each an every one of you, for letting me be a bit of a "hog" this weekend. I needed some intelligent company and your indulgence of my overposting is so kind and so very much appreciated.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

To Kill a Mockingbird is up next on the tube. Goodnight, sleep tight, y'all.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

To Kill a Mockingbird is up next on the tube. Goodnight, sleep tight, y'all.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 3, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I offer friendship
and muses bolt for the oaks.
What's a dog to do?

-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 3, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

talitha,
Zen as applied to gardens is an odd business. The great stone gardens of Kyoto get the attention. Some are in close quarters, so there's no room for luxuriance, but Ryoanji in particular is on a big, lush site. The entry path takes you past a large pond full of water lilies, surrounded by shrubs and trees and, typically, screened a bit from the path. After more lushness, you come to the main temple building. The open-air room from which you view the famed sand and stone garden also opens to the side, where the garden changes abruptly from sand to moss. Not to mention that beyond the stone garden's wall, there's lots of big, green trees. The stone garden's severity serves mainly to emphasize the rioting vegetation all around.

We in Florida are not at all Kauai. Kauai did suffer a terrible hurricane the same year as Miami, but they have much better soil than Miami and none of the freezing weather that we, farther north, put up with. Sadly, there's little left of native Hawaii near sea level--the forests, the birds, most everything are from somewhere else. Only atop the plateau do you see the native birds and native cloud forest. The Fish and Wildlife Service is working on restoring forest bird habitat at the north end of the island.

Central Florida is a place where native tropical plants sneak north during warm periods, only to be frozen out once in a while. The great freezes of the 1980s devastated the local mangroves.

One kind-of-funny migration came in the 1990s, when lots of coonties, grown in south Florida were purchased for a large landscaping project farther north. The coonties were inhabited by (rare) atala butterflies that live exclusively on them. The caterpillars soon caused damage and efforts were made to kill them. As it turned out, the atalas died of cold winter weather.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 3, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

You can be a tourist in your own backyard. Over the weekend we hit five farms as part of the Culpeper Harvest Days Farm Tour. We hit a cattle ranch, a pig and poultry farm, a Clydesdale farm, a winery, and distillery. And I took a lot of pictures of pigs, as well as dogs, turkeys, chickens, horses, cows, and rusty farm implements. If you have time or insomnia, feel free to browse through a hundred or so pictures.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/yellojkt/sets/72157624965432995/

Did I mention lots and lots of pictures of pigs.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 3, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Yello, may I use the cherry tomatoes picture in my screensaver?

Ftb, I could prepare and send you some onion/ginger/garlic/turmeric/cumin/coriander/green and red chilies/mom's garam masala to try with canned beans (garnish with chopped onions, tomatoes and cilantro) if you'd like.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | October 3, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

To the extent that I'm a sports fan, I did well tonight. The Braves, Falcons, and Redskins all won.

Now I'm rootin' for RichNomore. I wholehearted wish to believe that the problems besetting society are not being adequately addressed by the current seatholders, that they shall be swept away during the next couple of rounds of elections, and that their replacements will usher in a more prosperous age for us all.

I won't claim that I'm confident of that outcome, but I'd be mightily pleased to see it.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 3, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

"Zen as Applied to Gardens" is a masterpiece of irony awaiting an author.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 4, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Dave, can I marry you in my next life? ;)
Guess I'd have to learn more about coonties.

When I think of gardens, zen, I think of the pictures I've seen of Ryoan-ji in Kyoto. I have been in gardens (San Fran, etc.) that attempted that aesthetic. Rooms just around the corner that expand the heart and spirit the moment they reach the eye ... then quiet.

When I lived on Kaua'i (1978, seven months) the tourist industry had not yet altered it beyond recognition. I know about the hurricane devastation since then but haven't witnessed it. We lived in Lihue but spent lots of time up in Hanalei and Princeville where friends lived. Explored the Na Pali coast by outrigger and the areas around the Hono'Onapali Nature Reserve. Surfed Poipu and Hanalei (a 25-footer about put me down there), and hiked the Waimea Canyon to what they call "the rainiest place on earth". I love Kaua'i. I was there to help set up a radio station for a friend and I also took the time to take a course in batik and other aborigine textile dye techniques through the UofH extention in Lihue.

Wonderful to remember those days. We lived in an old wrap-around-porch planter's house on a pineapple plantation ... could walk outside the door and pick an orchid or make a lei of plumeria ... pluck a banana or papaya. A juicy life!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 4, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

You know, they don't call it "the rainiest place on earth" just for chuckles.
It's really freakin' wet!

Posted by: Bob-S | October 4, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

There are many species of mold which have been overheard (as they left the area) saying, "Don't get me wrong, I loves me some humidity. But this is stupid!"

Posted by: Bob-S | October 4, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I want a moss garden ... with frogs and toads.
... but no mold.

Say goodnight, Gracie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nAesuInmU0&feature=related

Posted by: talitha1 | October 4, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

I'll rust irony there:
"The Zen of Pee in Gardens
(Kill grass, tulips rejoice)"

-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 4, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

<|8~)

Posted by: talitha1 | October 4, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Five years have past; five summers, with the length
Of five long winters! and again I hear
These waters, rolling from their mountain-springs
With a soft inland murmur. Once again
Do I behold these steep and lofty cliffs,
That on a wild secluded scene impress
Thoughts of more deep seclusion; and connect
The landscape with the quiet of the sky.
The day is come when I again repose
Here, under this dark sycamore, and view
These plots of cottage ground, these orchard tufts,
Which at this season, with their unripe fruits,
Are clad in one green hue, and lose themselves
'Mid groves and copses. Once again I see
These hedgerows, hardly hedgerows, little lines
Of sportive wood run wild; these pastoral farms,
Green to the very door; and wreaths of smoke
Sent up, in silence, from among the trees!
With some uncertain notice, as might seem
Of vagrant dwellers in the houseless woods,
Or of some Hermit's cave, where by his fire
The Hermit sits alone.

These beauteous forms,
Through a long absence, have not been to me
As is a landscape to a blind man's eye;
But oft, in lonely rooms, and 'mid the din
Of towns and cities, I have owed to them,
In hours of weariness, sensations sweet,
Felt in the blood, and felt along the heart;
And passing even into my purer mind,
With tranquil restoration: -feelings too
Of unremembered pleasure; such, perhaps,
As have no slight or trivial influence

Posted by: Yoki | October 4, 2010 4:54 AM | Report abuse


On that best portion of a good man's life,
His little, nameless, unremembered, acts
Of kindness and of love. Nor less, I trust,
To them I may have owed another gift,
Of aspect more sublime; that blessed mood,
In which the burthen of the mystery,
In which the heavy and the weary weight
Of all this unintelligible world,
Is lightened: -that serene and blessed mood,
In which the affections gently lead us on -
Until, the breath of this corporeal frame
And even the motion of our human blood
Almost suspended, we are laid asleep
In body, and become a living soul;
While with an eye made quiet by the power
Of harmony, and the deep power of joy,
We see into the life of things.

If this
Be but a vain belief, yet, oh! how oft -
In darkness and amid the many shapes
Of joyless daylight; when the fretful stir
Unprofitable, and the fever of the world,
Have hung upon the beatings of my heart -
How oft, in spirit, have I turned to thee,
O sylvan Wye! thou wanderer through the woods,
How often has my spirit turned to thee!

And now, with gleams of half-extinguished though
With many recognitions dim and faint,
And somewhat of a sad perplexity,
The picture of the mind revives again:
While here I stand, not only with the sense
Of present pleasure, but with pleasing thoughts
That in this moment there is life and food
For future years. And so I dare to hope,
Though changed, no doubt, from what I was when first
I came among these hills; when like a roe
I bounded o'er the mountains, by the sides
Of the deep rivers, and the lonely streams,
Wherever nature led -more like a man
Flying from something that he dreads

Posted by: Yoki | October 4, 2010 4:55 AM | Report abuse

DNAGirl,
Be my guest. I'd be flattered.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2010 5:58 AM | Report abuse

Good morning.

About 7 last night...you shouldn't be thinking of this, you should be thinking of that. Remind you of anyone? Just so sad to think it is She, and tinkering with medication has made things worse, not better.

Looks like it's going to be a busy Monday. Hope it's a happy one for all.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 4, 2010 6:35 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, I hope that you have a great day today. I really want to thank you for your very kind words yesterday morning. I was out the door to my Sunday market which was chilly and somewhat fun.

Posted by: russianthistle | October 4, 2010 6:42 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. Scotty, prayers and hugs your way for you and family.

Yoki, that is one beautiful poem, but oh, so, sad. Where are you?

Slyness, is it raining in your town? I ventured out on the porch, and it is really, I hate to use the word, cold, but chilly isn't a good word either. Clouds in the sky, but a few stars shinning through. Another doctor's appointment today.

There will be hearings on the oil spill today in Washington, that should be interesting.

Have a great day, folks, and love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 4, 2010 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Bob S, I think our election system is very good at throwing the bums out. It doesn't seem very good at replacing them with non-bums.

What is the thing that is consistent about both sets of bums? They are duly elected by the people of the US.

I guess that means we as a nation are very good at saying we want one thing while really wanting another. What we REALLY want always wins out. What we really want is to be prosperous, and we really want to borrow a lot of money to maintain that prosperity.

Posted by: baldinho | October 4, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all, and happy Monday! It rained here just before we got up, Cassandra, but we walked anyway. It's the first time since April that I've worn pants and a jacket, but it was cool enough that I needed them. I hope you stay comfortable!

Busy day ahead, and time to get started.

Posted by: slyness | October 4, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Morning all...

Funky weather, tummy's growling, and of course it's Monday. C'est la guerre, I guess.

*keeping-a-stiff-upper-lip-and-all-that-rot Grover waves*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 4, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

It's Monday.

Again with the water from the sky.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | October 4, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Great photos yello, I really like the picture of the Fountain Hall B&B, the lighting is beautiful.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 4, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

dmd,
Thanks. I had to get up from my nap to go out and take that picture because I knew the light would be best in the late afternoon, but I didn't want too many shadows.

The B&B was very nice but the owners were away at a wedding. I don't know whether that had anything to do with the breakfast only being croissants (albeit very good ones), But I expect a B&B to have at least one hot item.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Our room was the one in the front left corner on the second floor. The two windows you see are for the adjoining sitting room. Some of the rooms in the back had private porches. Like I said, a really gorgeous house.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

So glad that I back-boodled, because now (thanks to nellie) I know what the strawberry is for! Very cool. Still makes me think of my mom, though, which I suppose fits on a coldish, cloudy, soon-to-be-rainy Monday. It all fits.

Soooooo, have a good one, everyone!

Posted by: ftb3 | October 4, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Just a tip for anyone with the slightest interest in golf, Ryder Cup is down to the final match, it is tied - US has had a big comeback today - very exciting.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 4, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Morning all! Have been away from not just the boodle, but computers generally for a few days.

Cheap Eats Challengers- I will back boodle to see if anyone reported from yesterday. If you are participating and didn't give an update please do! I spent $7.59 yesterday but think I have breakfast and lunch covered for the whole week. Menu and purchase details to follow tonight-I'm on the road today between St. Paul and Our Fair City.

Later Gators. Eat cheaply and well today. Stay away from Chinese farm raised shrimp.
This blog needs more bears!

Posted by: frostbitten1 | October 4, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

Back from racing in Gainesville and a top-5 finish (out of 56, IIRC) to the overall winner - yello's GT WreckRacing swarm. Dozens of students and faculty put 3 years into that project, and I'm glad to see them earn the win.

Doing our part to support higher education, we loaned them a tire pressure gauge when they realized they didn't have one. I'm sure that will show up on their packing list for next year.

Speaking of chains of events leading to a failure, we ended up with a bent exhaust valve, but it didn't occur until right after we crossed the finish line on the last run, after we'd pretty much kept the engine on the redline all weekend. Took a little while to figure out how that one happened - as Joel's piece points out, sometimes we engineer and build for what we think we know, we're constantly surprised by our own handiwork, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.

Every tool we make seems to be able to cut both ways. Measure twice, cut once, and if you're not sure, measure again.

bc

Posted by: -bc- | October 4, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

LiT... my reasoning is that if Washington wins, I'll be happy. If I pick the other team and they win, I'll be happy. Gone are the days when my happiness only depends on a home team win.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 4, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Oh goodness Frosty. After that Alabama game I would be careful using the word "Gators" until things, you know, settle down.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | October 4, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

bc! Was thinking about you and wondering how your team did. Sounds like you had some fun.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 4, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

bc,
Congrats on finishing in the top 10%. My coworkers agree that there is *some* cachet in having the world's most kick-@ss K-car. I did Googlestalk you and found a photo of your car on the web. I promise to never use those powers for evil.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Hey yello... have you ever participated in NaNoDrawMo?

http://www.flickr.com/groups/1219303@N25/

(scroll down that page for the explanation)

Posted by: -TBG- | October 4, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

TBG, yeah, I've got some screwy methods for picking teams. I chose the Ravens because I didn't think the Steelers had it in them for a four and oh start. My pick for tonight is based on something even less scientific...my nephew...the one who emulates Eddie Haskle. (Aunt LiT, don't you look lovely today...)

Posted by: LostInThought | October 4, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, many thanks for the Wordsworth. My mother read those very verses to me when I was but a tad ... she's given me (twice) the collected works. They sing to me always. *heart hug*

Posted by: talitha1 | October 4, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. It will be a busy week after a busy weekend. I will even wear a tie later this pm. The horror.

More bears you say?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1317367/Amazing-pictures-summer-snow-joke-polar-bears.html

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 4, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

TBG,

My JusReMoNoMo challenge is a spoof of NaNoWriMo (National Novel Writing Month - write a 50,000 word novel in the 30 days of November) much as NaNoDrawMo is similarly inspired.

My boss the other day said, "I'd have loved to have been an architect, but I can't draw worth a dang, so I became an engineer instead." That would probably go triple for me. I'll stick to taking photos and mangling grammar online as my hobbies.

My brother, back when he only had two kids instead of four, did a website challenge where you had to take a new photo every day for a year and upload each one daily. I think this resulted in some very pretty but fairly hazardous shots out of his car window to and from work.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, yello... Daughter's attempt at a 365 Photo blog resulted in lots of pictures of her room (and cat) taken very near midnight. Didn't last long. But the attempt was great! And the pictures were actually pretty good.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 4, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I also just caught that NaNoDrawMo calls for 50 drawings in 30 days, making it the exact 'a picture is worth a 1,000 words' equivalent of NaNoWriMo.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

RNM, your 6:55 certainly produced a good phrase "community of opinions." I haven't heard that before and I intend to make the phrase my own when the time is right. So thanks.

I'm always sad when baseball season is over. I hope everyone had a good weekend!

Posted by: cowhand214 | October 4, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

cowhand, I blame the Padres for not giving us two more days of the "regular season."

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 4, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon, y'all.

Turkey sammiges today, with lots of fixin's, and strawberry lemonade. Help yourself.

Does the boodle have a post-season MLB pool?

I think it's between LiT and TBG for tiara rights this week, depending on their choices for the MNF game. Way to go, both of you!

Posted by: MsJS | October 4, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Here's a few not-very-good photos at Ryoanji Temple in Kyoto, showing lush vs. austere.

http://picasaweb.google.com/bartramixia/Japan?authkey=Gv1sRgCJfbypqnvt7q4gE&feat=directlink

There's lots of perceptive photography of Japanese gardens--they must be among the world's most photogenic places.
__________
My one visit to New Orleans was around 1976, before the great tourist mobs had arrived. Kauai, about 2003, with plenty of tourists around. Hanalei is one of the most beautiful places I've visited. I was getting over a bad case of flu, so didn't do much of anything adventurous, other than a bit of a hike on the plateau with a British physicist who happened to be doing the same thing.

20 foot waves as measured by Hawaii residents (from behind) are monsters. Double-overhead (by Florida standards) are very good at beating up those who try them.

I've never gained any competence at surfing. Nearest thing to success was at a nice beginners' spot in Oregon, where a permanent rip current at the headland gets you most of the way to the peak, where you decide whether to go left or right. Simple.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 4, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cowhand214 | October 4, 2010 12:27 PM

...quite welcome CW, since all communication is community by definition it could not be considered proprietary, use it in good health...

Posted by: RichNomore | October 4, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 4, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse
[I'll rust...
-Wilbrodog-]

_Gnome, is this something that happens after midnight???

Has to be an original...

Posted by: RichNomore | October 4, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Yet another financial disaster: blighted titles on foreclosed houses.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/why-sloppy-foreclosure-process-could-ruin-florida/1123990

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 4, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Dave... that whole issue just sickening. Everywhere, too... not just Florida.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 4, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Very cool temple pics, DotC. I skipped Kyoto on my trip to Japan because the round trip on the bullet train from Tokyo was frightfully expensive. But the next time I'm in Japan, it's a must-see.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Daveof...Coo.ties,

if WE wrote it once WE wrote it twice...

...darn shame, isn't it?

Abbrogation or Responsibility

Collectivism has obscene consequences and is fair to no one but those who administer it. Freedom and Protection from collectivism has it's own level playing field. Supreme Justice-Unconstrained Representation-Limited Administration cures all problems. What if? Eh?

Men of the People, not of certain People.

Example: Representative says, "certain people need help getting loans to live in a Condo. Administration says "not so fast, there may be consequences to the availability of credit without oversight and qualification". Collectivist Lawyers say "give the loans or we will shut down the banking industry", Administration folds like a house of cards. Voila! Sub-Prime Morgue for 50% of Capital driven Business activities, a new hope and change remake of Robin Hood Politics, and USA is nearly on the ropes without one more plane through a building. Reps of certain people, WIN. Administration of Certain Business people, WASH. Collectivist Lawyers, Left of Sanity Academics, Al Qaeda, WIN WIN WIN! Cost-Benefit: $10,000,000,000,000/$0.00.

R. Nomore


Posted by: RichNomore | October 4, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

R-no-mo, rust is the least of your concerns.
Corrosion might be a consideration in your case, however.
_______

DaveoftheCoonties, thanks for the photos of Ryoanji Temple and your memories of Kaua'i. The 25-footer that almost trashed me? ... a result of my own bravado. I (we) had no business being out there in the first place, and I was a competent surfer in those days. Hanalei beach, on the other hand --- paradise, no bikini tops required.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 4, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Asia has always been on my list, but I've never been to any Asian country. When I was younger, I wanted to have a Singapore Sling at Raffles. Since then, alas, the original Raffles has been rehabilitated and I don't drink that kind of stuff anymore. Made for a nice fantasy, however.

I also wanted to visit Hong Kong while it was still a "colony" -- especially since "The Honourable Schoolboy" was based there in its entirety, and that was my favorite book of the three. Mind you, I would still like to go to Hong Kong some day. I know two or three phrases in Chinese (don't know which dialect, though). That should do it, eh?

Japan is also on my list, as is Beijing (to see the wall (part of it, of course)) and I'd like to go to Vietnam and Laos.

But first, *definitely* back to Africa.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 4, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

RNM,
Half day today? You are being incoherent a little earlier than usual.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

More fun YouTube links for RNM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-G4SOGsLpc

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 4, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The discussion of Kyoto made me remember some photos my father took when he was there (in the 70's sometime) he took five really nice photos, I think around the palace in Kyoto. Since they turned out well he had them made into larger 5x7 photos. After reading the conversation I went to look for the photos, they are still lovely but a bit faded now, since dad was very good at keeping negatives it is possible I might be able to have new copies made. One is of a building in the fading sunlight with a few branches of pine in the foreground.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 4, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Oops, an inferior link above. Here is the correct one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtVBrXvmmJw&p=0BA9B75C89AB57DD&playnext=1&index=43

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 4, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

ftb,

Asia is a big, big place. It's a six hour flight just from Japan to Saigon. You have to take it in in a lot of smaller bites.

On the long list of to-dos are a return trip to Vietnam (to see deeper into the Mekong and to get to Hoi An and Da Nang), a trip to China that would include Hong Kong and Shanghai, Spain/Portugal, the Benelux countries, Russia and the Baltic States, and central and southern France.

But we are very flexible. Central Europe wasn't even on the radar screen, but we got a good deal on a tour with people we have traveled with before.

Africa and India are on the not-anytime-soon list. Too many seasons of Amazing Race have scared my wife off.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"Men of the People, not of certain People"

er, "certain" people, perhaps of my gender, might question that ... except that it's incoherence is breathtaking. Re-adjust hat, try again.

Shoot, I find myself incoherent in the attempt to address himmer.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 4, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

scc: its

Posted by: talitha1 | October 4, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

This struck me as a boodle topic...

"I would like to retain 'f@rt in your general direction."

http://bit.ly/aQ9Ewy

Posted by: -TBG- | October 4, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

May I just say that the time one spends stretching after a 5-mile run on the treadmill is NOT the best time to discover that one can indeed get a cramp in the solar plexus? Ow! :-O

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 4, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I get that, yello.

But do go to East Africa -- it's simply, indescribably magical, and I promise you that you will love it. Besides, Amazing Race tends to scramble things up a bit for audience attention. Do go.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 4, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

My wife is also partial to places which aren't hot, so that would bump Sweden higher than east Africa.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 4, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

RNM, aren't you the one who accused JA of using anonymous sources and advancing some agenda just a few days ago?

What Representative? What lawyer? What certain businesses? What academics? Whose agenda are you trying to advance? And are you so desperate to advance that agenda without the benefit of fact that you'd toss in 9/11 to advance it? Pathetic if you're mentally challenged, despicable if you're not.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 4, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Anagrams for "Tea Party Republicans"
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Posted by: Jumper1 | October 4, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

TBG, "f@rt in your general direction" is my operative term after about an hour of dealing with some local utility companies. (They want to create all new accounts, complete with major deposits, just to take G's name off the billing address. Same house, same address, same woman who signed the checks for years.) A few pairs of testiculars in tightly wrapped packages is more in my line of thinking.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 4, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Jumper,
major *snort*worthy.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 4, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, it depends on the time of year, yello. Right now, they're edging into summer. I don't like hot weather much, either, and the next time I head out there will likely be in July, when it's colder (like, at the lowest, maybe in the 40s (F, of course)). When I was there, it was in mid-late October. It got pretty hot in the afternoon and even the animals were weary of it. I've got a great shot of a lone hyena with half of him (the "girls and kidz stay in a troup, like the elephants do, while the males are pretty solitary) in a mud puddle. Sweet face, crappy personality. But then, they are scavengers, after all.

Jumper -- that's terrific!

Posted by: ftb3 | October 4, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I think East Africa is one of those places where you can pick your elevation, a bit like southern California. Death Valley or Big Bear?

yellojkt, much of Kyoto is a fairly dismal urban blob, not to mention that many of its former glories disappeared in catastrophes including wars (Onin War turned the city into a sort of Beirut), a catastrophic fire in the 18th century, and more fighting during the Meiji Restoration in the 19th. Still, its temples are without parallel. And it was a lively place during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Some of Japan's real glories are out in the small towns, with spiffy houses, perfect vegetable gardens, and persimmon trees.

The country's forested mountains are the result of centuries of conservation. Without the Tokugawa shogunate's policies, the country might have been as treeless as Haiti.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 4, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Thought of the Moment
I am malicious because I am miserable. ... If any being felt emotions of benevolence towards me, I should return them a hundred and a hundred fold (words of Frankenstein monster). -Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, author (1797-1851)

I used to work for a collective. They called it a "corporation." It's a positive sum game. The collective achieves what individuals would find hard to achieve. They have been around since the Hanseatic League.

What a freakin' moron.


Posted by: Jumper1 | October 4, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

New kit, y'all.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 4, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, it seems to me that RNM won't be around the kit much longer. Most people are ignoring him, except to mock him.

I suspect he gets that a lot. I wish him well in his travels.

Posted by: baldinho | October 4, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Keep on ranting, and keep wearing the bee suit wherever you go, RNM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYlAwvz8uwc&ob=av2e

Posted by: baldinho | October 4, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

High speed rail from Tampa to Orlando won't happen. Soon-to-be elected Republican governor Rick Scott promises to pull the rug out from under it, just as Jeb Bush did a while back. (New York Times story)

Needless to say, the much more expensive and unfunded Orlando to Miami segment won't even be planned.

Maybe some other state would like the $1.25 billion in federal funding?

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 4, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

High speed rail from Tampa to Orlando won't happen. Soon-to-be elected Republican governor Rick Scott promises to pull the rug out from under it, just as Jeb Bush did a while back. (New York Times story)

Needless to say, the much more expensive and unfunded Orlando to Miami segment won't even be planned.

Maybe some other state would like the $1.25 billion in federal funding?

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 4, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

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