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College tours in a virtual age

As I approach 50, one of my paramount goals is to develop, and maintain, a light carbon footprint, the result of a lifestyle with significant elements of 18th century living, including a lot of walking, neighborliness, growing my own food, and finding spiritual sustenance and serenity under my own vine and fig tree, as it were.

I thought about this a lot this morning on the drive down I-95 as my middle daughter and I embarked on another college tour, determined to see as many as possible. The key is to drive 80 miles an hour as much as possible -- it shrinks the planet like you wouldn't believe.

Sometimes I feel as though there is a gap between my aspirations and my actual, real, genuine and incontrovertible existence. This gap induces a certain tension that I can feel in my scalp. The best cure is to close one's eyes and go to sleep. The next day, maybe, it'll be gone. Schools should do a better job teaching young people the virtues of closing eyes to make problems go away.

Nowadays, you can take a virtual tour of a college online, on the college's Web site. You don't technically need to show up. But it's only by showing up that you discover that it's a school in which every single student is blonde. Another thing they don't show on the Web site is the percentage of students who are, at any given moment, stoned. But on a tour, you'll smell it, and even -- this happened to me! -- spot the offenders, smoking weed right in the quad as though it were a class assignment.

I try not to ask dumb questions of the kids leading these college tours and doing their best not to trip to walk backward into a tree, but I always do ask one particular question: "Are you high right now, or are you just 'coming down' as they say?"

By the way, before I forget: On the way to William & Mary I noticed a sign for Jamestown and it occurred to me that the people who settled there were insane for not establishing their colony closer to New York City or Washington, D.C., which are just up the coast. What were they thinking, picking such a remote place so far from a major city? Where did they shop???

Anyway, feeling bad here about my fossil fuel overuse and the associated planet-destroying Godzilla carbon footprint, but in life it's still important to show up, to make the journey, to get there. This is particularly true in journalism, a field in which every query directed to a potential source draws the response, "You should look at our Web site." Many a time I have to tell people: I don't want to read your Web site, I want you to TELL ME WHAT'S GOING ON. I want you to use words, emitted from your mouth, directly to me, to onpass the information. I don't want to surf your incomprehensible Web site that won't actually tell me what I want to know and will leave out all the important stuff about the pot. You know? So don't ask me to read it anymore. TALK TO ME.

This message is best delivered face to face, I've noticed. Over the phone, not as effective. They can pull stunts on you, like hanging up suddenly, or, worse, putting you on hold, forever.

Showing up is 90 percent of the battle. The other 10 percent is the running-away-screaming-and-whimpering part.

By Joel Achenbach  | October 15, 2010; 10:09 AM ET
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Were there no public transportation options? Bus routes?

I would think the added time together with the youngun at bus stops and the like and the opportunity to meet other folks would make for a more memorable experience.

Posted by: baldinho | October 15, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Amtrak goes right from DC to Williamsburg at 2:30 or 5:50 in the afternoon. Return the next day from Williamsburg at either 9:26 a.m. or 5:17 p.m. It's about a 4 hour train ride, and provides the opportunity to walk around the old town along with the college. But, I suspect the 80 mph driving was intended to do the trip in one day.

Posted by: ebtnut | October 15, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

JA, excellent kit! When I went back to school, a small college about sixteen miles from my hometown, I could not believe the way the students came to class, if they came at all. Many of them would wear their pajamas, and some of them had hangovers that even I hadn't experienced in my lifetime. And that question you asked was a good place to start, are you high...., because much of the time, some of those students were just that. Yet for all of that, many of them were real nice. They just didn't take much of anything serious, and what young person does?

Frosti, forgive me, but every time I posted I meant to congratulate you on the new arrival. I know you spoiling that baby already!

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 15, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Joel, your question about touring college campuses in the virtual world era begs the question of colleges themselves in such an era. Of course, moving away and living on your own, sort of, is part of the college experience that can't be achieved on a computer at home. Neither can getting stoned all day, or at least the opportunity to make a choice on such matters.

Ah, the joys of parenthood and the final, hardest lesson, learning to let go.

Posted by: edbyronadams | October 15, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I was unaware that "onpass" was a verb in the English language (I'm still not sure it is). But I kinda like it, and will gladly accept it into the lexicon if no one objects.

However, Joel, you quickly betray your ignorance of early colonial geography if you complain about Jamestown's location. First off, the early Jamestown settlement was located only a few dozen blocks from the Powhatan Outlet Mall, which had wigwams for early colonial manufacturers such as Niketh, Casual Cornereth, Van Heuseneth (a Dutch firm), Bass Weejun (where do ya think "Weejan" comes from? Clearly a Native American firm), L.L. Beaneth, Ann Klein IIeth, and a remaindered book outlet that sold copies of manuscripts such as "Why Thingeths Art How They Areth" and "Captured by Aboriginals." And as soon as coffee beans were discovered, there was a Starbucks.

Second, Jamestown was conveniently located right adjacent to a major river whereupon they could catch Chesapeake Bay crabs so they could make themselves the fantastic Olive Garden San Remo Crab Dip appetizers.

Third, they knew how bad traffic was going to be around Washington, so wisely decided to stay where they were rather than head north and further inland. Did you notice how light the traffic was around Jamestown and Williamsburg when you were there? Compare it to Tyson's Corner, if you will, and then decide who was smart and who wasn't.

Fourth, early settlers, for many good reasons, chose to establish themselves on islands, which made for good security against maruading bands of Jevohah's Witnesses. Examples: Jamestown, St. Clement's Island (Maryland, for you outlanders), Roanoke, Manhattan (I call your attention to the fact that four of the five boroughs of New York City are on islands, and two were so desperate they had to share one, which fortunately was Long and able to accommodate them), Narragansett, Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket, Coney and Fire. The Pilgrims searched desperately for an island and would have landed happily at Plymouth Island if only it had existed. Instead, in desperation and running short of food, water and bathroom conveniences, they had to make do with but a single large boulder sticking up out of the surf. Thus they came ashore and simply made the best of a bad, islandless situation. The rest, as they say, is history.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 15, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

College web pages are impenetrable because they try to be both sales brochures for prospective students and information distribution portals for current students, faculty, and staff. These two functions are incompatible and often clash.

And they are nearly interchangeable. I defy you to tell two colleges apart solely by the website. They all use the same interchangeable stock photos of clean-cut happy diverse students.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Rhee & Fenty (weren't we?):

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 15, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I have heard of this college of which you refer. It's the one whose new mascot looks like a bald eagle crossed with Scooby Do.

Should your daughter choose to attend this particular institution, I strongly recommend you purchase financial shares in WaWa. You'll thank me later.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | October 15, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

As long as people don't know that Wawa means Canada goose it's OK to have the name associated with food preparation and serving. We also have Wawa, Ontario. It's conveniently located in the middle of nowhere and of course it has a Giant Canada Goose standing guard at the entrance of town. You can only imagine the droppings from that thing. Even the VLP would be jealous.

I didn't have to do the college tour. Both kids picked their program and colleges themselves and were accepted in their chosen program. However, the in-province college is 400km/240miles away so the back-and-forth generates quite a bit of carbon emission. The out-of-province college is, ironically, a 30 minutes public transit bus ride away.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 15, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

A griffin? Really?! They should have taken one of the Ole Miss runner ups, like a landshark or a Admiral Ackbar. The choices for a cheer chant are much better:

"It's a trap-play!"

And I hope the marching band for W&M can play the full version of Adam Sandler's Chanukah Song. It's only fitting for The Tribe.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Vote for Rich Whitey. I expect many already heard of this, but I guess some haven't.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 15, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Don't we usually?

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Quoting the kit, but off-kit ---

"TALK TO ME. This message is best delivered face to face, I've noticed. Over the phone, not as effective. They can pull stunts on you, like hanging up suddenly, or, worse ..."

Yeah, like cleaning out your bank account and leaving you with all the bills, no number for a call-back, and a sick feeling in your stomach that leaves you sleepless and without an appetite for weeks.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 15, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The satyr is a mythical beast that is largely underused as a college mascot.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 15, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Hippogriffs, medusas, and gelatinous cubes are also sadly neglected.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

This clip is 13 minutes long, but it is very emotional and very affecting. Everyone should watch it.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 15, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

The boss says, "Showing up is 90 percent of the battle. The other 10 percent is the running-away-screaming-and-whimpering part." Not quite. He forgot the part about reaching into his wallet and forking out an amount equal to his entire pension.

By the time he is paying tution for number three, that 18th century lifestyle that he is Jonesing for will be a reality. (That, or a cardboard box under a freeway overpass.) Betcha he says to #3, "Yaknow, the Army is a good thing to consider. They've got pretty good chow, so I'm told. One of my female Boodlers was in it. You oughta talk to her."

Posted by: Don_from_I-270 | October 15, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, that video with Fort Worth City Councilman Joel Burns is among the bravest things I've ever seen a politician do. Thanks for posting it; it is well worth the time. It is on YouTube too.

Didn't Joel do the college tour last year? Surely they could have had all the offspring at once. Aren't middle kids used to leftovers or hand-me-downs from the eldest? Just let her pick a college her sister didn't want. Pull a name from a hat. Draw straws.

And stay away from that all-blond campus. No good can come of that.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 15, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Another important thing one usually can't learn from the glossy brochures is the terrain of the place.

Cornell is hilly and you have to be prepared to -exercise- just to get to class. At Northwestern, one can build a sandcastle on the beach that's hillier than the rest of the campus.

And the brochures don't tell you where you can get ice cream or pizza, either.

Posted by: MsJS | October 15, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

The folks at Fark do the photoshop contest bit so much better than I could ever manage. My only skill is putting Maureen Dowd's head into old movie posters.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Besides, somebody already beat me to Strutting Leo. (picture 27)

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Are you talking about OSU? That campus is like a Wonder Bread commercial.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Here are pictures of the Swiss miners finishing their tunnel. Definitely a good week for molemen.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, I just watched the video and am wiping tears from my eyes. In my experience, bullies are the most cowardly and inadequate persons I've ever encountered. Yet, they tend to be successful because there are those who are so intimidated by them that they cannot function well enough (including reaching out for help for as long and as far as they need to) to counteract them.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 15, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Joel, your Jamestown line made me spit Snapple on the keyboard. Somehow, I was so totally not expecting the punchline. Well played, sir.

Possibly because I went to a "non-traditional" college I'm a big believer and going, talking to folks, perhaps drinking some beer, and getting a feel for the place. Academics to one side, trying to understand the culture of an institution is important if you're going to be able to make the transition. And especially if you're away from home.

Also, the beer. Very important.

Posted by: cowhand214 | October 15, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Cowhand about the institution's culture. You need firsthand experience. After all, there are science geek schools, there are math geek schools, there are humanities geek schools, and then there are the rare all-around geek schools. How will you know which is which without a geek visit?

The beer at Rice used to be Lone Star. Cheap but plentiful. Of course, drinking age was 18 then.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 15, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone has yet posted it, but last night Jon Stewart mentioned that they have set up a Web site called to take suggestions on what signs to bring to the rally.

Also, the time for the rally has been set, noon to 3 p.m. (Which makes a terrific rendezvous time for the IBPH at about 3:30 or 4 p.m., methinks, location to be determined).

If I understood it correctly, last night Steven Colbert "dropped in" on Stewart "just to say hello," but really to beg that his rally be combined on Stewart's rally permit, because Colbert didn't get one. So Stewart put Colbert's name on so both rallies could go on one permit. It is now called "The Rally to Restore Sanity And/Or Fear."

Then, as they were bickering, Oprah dropped in (remotely) and offered to take Stewart's (but not Colbert's) audience to the rally. She told Stewart's audience to reach under their seats, where they found tickets to the rally (bus tickets, or whatever).

On Colbert's show, with his feelings hurt because Oprah wouldn't transport his audience, Colbert offered to do it himself, by buying them all tickets to the Shin Wu Chinatown bus to DC (motto: "On Shin Wu, your chicken rides for free"). He wants everyone to come to the rally in a spooky Halloween costume, and wants people to post their costume pix at

This has been a public service announcement.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 15, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I took a whack at doctoring the "Transformers" photo. It's now #1 in the queue.

Posted by: MsJS | October 15, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, thank you with all my heart for sharing the Joel Burns video. That man has a brave and lovely soul! Still weeping .....

Posted by: talitha1 | October 15, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Very well done, MsJS! *applause* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 15, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Watched both episodes last night Stewart/Colbert very funny, Colbert also has a new site to rate the costumes he is asking people to wear. I think the Oprah gift was a little more than bus fare, as Stewart joked about her not paying for the mini-bar!

Posted by: dmd3 | October 15, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Currently the home page, bears vs PM Harper - too funny.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 15, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Mudge missed your link, reading quickly and working doesn't work that well for me!

Posted by: dmd3 | October 15, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Cecil B. DeMille would be proud.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

De nada, dmd.

Everybody have a good weekend.

(Am mentally preparing myself for yet another drubbing, tiara-wise, at the hands of a certain spooky person.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 15, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Lawrence O'Donnell ran that Joel Burns video on his program last night, very moving. I couldn't help but notice tho, at the end when people were applauding, the camera showed the audience and there were a few people sitting on their hands. I felt at the time, and still do feel the urge to slap those people silly (not that that would change what passes for their minds, but I'd feel better).

Joel, I don't envy you. I did the college tour thing twice back in the dark ages before the Internet. All those campuses are but a blur in my memory.

Posted by: badsneakers | October 15, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Watch out, MsJS, there's going to be a big drive to build a Godzilla-sized statue of Moses in the Charlton Heston mode in central Washington.

I recall doing only a cursory tour of the only university that actually admitted me (it's a place where the brochure probably highlights the Creamery as a major attraction).

Didn't visit my prospective grad school until admitted. At spring break, I was barely recovered from flu, so did a quickie, unannounced bus trip to the new place. Epic snowstorm in Richmond and Washington on the way back.

In Florida politics, I got my Rick Scott (R-governor candidate) for gun rights brochure today. It also seems that dear Rick will all-but ban abortion. And a Florida federal judge looks ready to declare health care reform unconstitutional.

The little Heathcote Botanical Gardens in Ft Pierce are almost spiffy for the big Plant Sale weekend in November. This being a warm, wet climate, things grow fast and sometimes you think the place is suffering from Mistress Masham Syndrome (or Malplaquet Syndrome), after the rotting English palace's gardens in a T.H. White book for children.

This week, I helped the guy who rescued a heavy concrete table and benches from sinking into the sandy soil, cleaned up the same guy's mess from trimming a spiny clumping palm, and brought in some bromeliads, which are now helping make the new Rain Forest look a bit less like a construction site. Here's some Heathcote photos, with comments.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 15, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

My Organic Chem II lecturer is on today's list of recipients of the National Medal of Science. I think he'd been mentioned regularly for the Nobel, but never got it.

The class was at 8 am, students were grouchy, bordering on rebellious (not the assistant professor's fault). I recall him mentioning that the class seemed a good one, so there'd be about 15% A's.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 15, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

The Stewart/Colbert Hour (that's what I call it now) is being re-aired on Comedy Central at 7:00pm EDT for anyone who missed it or didn't pull it up from "the tubes". Meanwhile, I'm watching Mr.Roberts' on TCM ... always a treat.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 15, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Those sneaky apostrophes ... where will they show up next?

Posted by: talitha1 | October 15, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Man, that needs more servers... looooaaaaddinnnnnnnng soooo sllllooooooowwwwwwww....

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 15, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Dave, your photos took me back to summer. Just beautiful, especially the bonsai. In my next life I'd like to study and practice the art of bonsai - they fascinate me no end.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 15, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse also needs some creative people... I think I've only voted for about 10% so far.

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 15, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, I WISH I could be there for SaneOrNot. Much Frenvy. I'm still holding out hope someone will do something here.

Now that I am home, away from that pesky distraction of work-related items, I'd like to express my appreciation for Joel's insistence on Being There. There are some things for which a Web site is enough. This almost never involves anything I particularly, specifically want to know. Talk to me, indeed.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 15, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

It's college-hunting time in the G house again, too.

Daughter and I will be attending the county's college night on Sunday, when the local mall shuts down and 300 to 350 colleges set up tables and put out their best brochures.

Of course, she's only interested in a few schools that will be there, but like visiting in person, meeting the local admissions person face to face is pretty valuable, too.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 15, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Are there any virtual online TOGA TOGA TOGA TOGA Parties? I thought not.I had the most fun at UM at the many parties,just too bad I wasn't a student there.But i did get an "education" there and elsewhere.

Hey has anyone heard from Martooni lately?

Peace out!!!!

Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 15, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

talitha -- you and I are on the same burner. I just got finished watching Mr. Roberts. I never tire of it. I was even on the dialogue. "All right! Who did it? WHO DID IT????" Completely in love with Henry Fonda and thought Jack Lemmon was simply perfect as Ens. Pulver. And, of course, great to see William Powell as Doc. The ubiquitous Ward Bond, too, even though he was a rampant right winger.

The other film I love to see over and over again is Stalag 17.

BTW, Sneaks, I also noted those in the "audience" who sat on their hands. I'm sure that would insist that they were "good Christians", too.


Posted by: ftb3 | October 15, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I remember when I did a particular college tour. My parents and grandmother were with me. We were part of a tour that went through the biggest dorm on campus, which was all male. There weren't many people on campus at the time, but the football team was in early for practice.

We rounded a corner just in time to see one of the linemen walking back to his room in nothing but shower shoes.

I ended up going to that school. Before I went I received a gift from Nana: an oversized bath towel.

Posted by: baldinho | October 15, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

This is going to sound weird to you, because it sounds weird to me, but I went to a college I had never visited. I had never even been in the state. I picked it purely because of the brochure, and because of the description given to me by a friend who went to a neighboring college. (Who is now a Washington State Senator. But these are probably unrelated facts.)

The point is, picking a college is kind of like picking a spouse. There is an element of chance that can't be avoided. You go with what feels right fully cognizant that there are no guarantees.

Although with college, at least, there is in-state tuition.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | October 15, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

"college hunting". Sorry. I immediately thought of "Wabbit Hunting". Elmer Fudd with his gun stalking the institutions of higher learning. Them Wascally Cowweges.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 15, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I only "toured" one college - the one I attended. Even then I might not have done so except: 1, at the time a personal visit was either Strongly Encouraged or a requirement, I forget which; and more important 2, since I wanted to be in the then newly-formed music school I had to show up in person for an audition with my prospective teacher, and take a sort of music-knowledge placement test. I desperately wanted to study with her (former Met mezzo international opera star Fran Bible). The test only took me about 20 minutes because I didn't know any music theory. To show you how small the music school was at that time, the then-Dean met me and my mother for breakfast. I had oatmeal and prunes, one of my favorite breakfast meals. In separate dishes, you understand, nothing radical here.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 15, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

For the weekly Capehart quiz, I got 100% correct, scoring in the 86th percentile.

New math?

Posted by: baldinho | October 15, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: SpendNomore | October 15, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I see the good guys went up 3-0 with a homer from Hamilton.

Posted by: baldinho | October 15, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Some dialogue from last night's live 30 Rock...

Jack: "That's water under the bridge..."

Danny: "I'm sorry... We don't have that expression in Canada. Does that mean that what happened can be used to power a lumber mill?"

Posted by: -TBG- | October 15, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

We were driving through Atlanta on my way to my grandmother's in Huntsville when on a whim we decided to go past North Brandon High as my high school calculus teacher called Georgia Tech. While the campus was nice, I was more enamored with the high rises on either side of Peachtree as we tried to find our way back to to I-20.

All the other schools in the region that sent me brochures made claims to being the second best engineering college in the south. I applied to Gatorworld just to appease my parents but I was put off by how much scholarship money they kept saying was available.

I was accepted at the Georgia Tech of the North, but my dad said that attending there was contingent upon accepting the AFROTC scholarship I had been offered. But I was determined to cost him as much money as possible, so the North Avenue Trade School it was.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I see that a bad cabbage crop has much of South Korea in deep kimchi.

It cost 5 bucks for a plate of fried pig cheeks there? You learn something new every day.

Posted by: baldinho | October 15, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Talitha, I look at bosai and see high maintenance.

Bromeliads are sort of ideal plants--they don't even have significant roots. Some Billbergias in my Jacksonville yard even survived an ice storm and 18 degree temperatures.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 15, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of college, Daughter and a friend are at GW tonight to see Cinematic Titanic Live, or more commonly known as the former Mystery Science Theater 3000 (MST3K) gang.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 15, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I guess what I meant to say is that the nerdy acorn doesn't fall far from the tree, does she?

Posted by: -TBG- | October 15, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Yello, I assume that decision has been revisited upon you, given that your son is now enrolled in said institution, from out-of-state.

Elderdottir told me when she was a seventh grader that she wanted to attend Appalachian State, and when that acceptance came, the day after Thanksgiving, she was done. I don't know why she wanted to go there, I should ask. She *loved* her college experience.

Geekdottir applied and was accepted at NC State and Carolina. Her acceptance at the latter came on the very last day they were sent out. She was blase about the whole process, figuring that a graduate of the North Carolina School of Science and Math could get in anywhere she pleased. True, in state.

Posted by: slyness | October 15, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

TBG, that line from 30 Rock sounds like something overheard at a IBPH attended by SonofG and Yoki! I laughed out loud, literally.

Posted by: Yoki | October 15, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I heard your laughter, too, last night when that line was first broadcast, Yoki!

Posted by: -TBG- | October 15, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the campus tours is that they show you the model dorm room which is a far cry from where your kid may end up for the remaining portion of their academic career.

My son found and joined the nerdiest fraternity at Georgia Tech, which by extension puts in the running for nerdiest fraternity in the world. If you don't believe me, here are pictures. Bonus point to who ever can name the most geek culture references.

The house is rather ramshackle and over the summer the fire marshal condemned his room and it had to be remodeled. They took the double wide room and put a loft in along the entire length of the room. The loft is then divided into four little cubbie holes for sleeping with a thin crtain on a rod for privacy.

The 'downstairs' area has four desks, a sofa, a large flat screen TV they claim to never watch and a full size refrigerator where my son keeps his moonshine apple brandy.

The sure don't show you that room on a campus tour.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Yello, that set-up looks unsettlingly familiar. We had loft beds over the desks, couches etc. There was high use of 2x4s and not perhaps quite enough use of 4x4s for safety.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 15, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if the campus tour-tour is not a feature of Canadian university admission, or I'm just a slacker-mom of a higher order than most. It never occurred to any of us to visit candidate universities across the country, from UVic (Vancouver Island) to Bishops (Quebec) (sounds like a reworking of the Expo67 song, in reverse).

Of course, both #1 and #2 did their undergrad at the University of Calgary, which we all knew well by then, and #1 did her MBA at McGill, which we'd known from our years in Montreal, so maybe it was moot, but really, we never considered visiting the other campuses *they* considered and to which they applied.

dmd, do you do tours? Long distance? shriek? What thoughts for the future byoolin?

Posted by: Yoki | October 15, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Since both my wife and I went to college out of state on our parents' nickel, we sure couldn't begrudge him the same. We took him to Blacksburg on one of our road trips and he could not possibly imagine himself living anywhere so painfully rural.

My wife and I argue the nature/nurture thing all the time. She blames me for taking him to science fiction conventions at a young and impressionable age. I also took him to a few Orioles games, but that never took.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

And my much inferior entry to the Photoshop the Transformer Shoot is live:

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I have settled the nature/nuture thing to my own satisfaction (and isn't that what really matters? hehe). I did this the day each dot turned 21, and I spent some time in reflection. On mature consideration, each of them was *exactly,* temperamentally, what she'd been on the day of her birth. Temperament, therefore, is nature. However, they'd each been guided and socialised, civilised, each according to her need and temperament, into equally productive and rather-pleasant-to-know good citizens of their worlds. That was their parents' and wider-social-circle job and influence, and thus nurture.

My overall conclusion is that you don't change the fundamentals, as a parent, but the expression of those fundamentals and behaviours are malleable.

Thus, I sit on the fence while using elegant words like malleable and expression.

Posted by: Yoki | October 15, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Very nice, Yoki.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 15, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

No tours for me either Yoki, I knew the university I wanted to attend, I did visit but nothing formal - road trip with a current boyfriend at the time (who was planning on entering Engineering) combined with a visit to elder brother.

Our eldest is just beginning to ponder where to study, and at this point wants to travel a fair distance perhaps east coast - the visit to Montreal ruled out a larger city - nice to visit, but only to visit.

I think with fewer schools, they are so well known that the tour isn't as necessary. I had been to many of the universities go sporting events or other things well before my university days.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 15, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I think that's right, dmd. There are so few, that my girls had older friends at each, and their Dad and I had the others covered though 25 years earlier, but knew 'legacy' kids of our friends that we could put in touch with ours.

Posted by: Yoki | October 15, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

I was also the youngest of 4, with 60 or so cousins, the majority older - we pretty much had the major universities covered - the Ontario ones for sure.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 15, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

To be honest, in my case, I also thought it wouldn't hurt either of mine if they had to endure a *little* hardship. Like, if their accommodations and roommates weren't precisely to their taste, and if the food weren't up to home standards, and they couldn't afford to buy new clothes and had wet feet while walking to class... you know, the whole 'pushed out of the nest' experience.

They rose to those challenges beautifully. And now take on adult opportunities with great courage and optimism.

Posted by: Yoki | October 15, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Food up to their standards. Now that's an area where campus life has drastically changed. We fondly remember the hockey pucks and mystery meat and even worse things. These days, apparently, they have devoted time and money to food which is not only nutritious but appetizing, and perhaps even locally sourced. All prepared by someone else. No matter how hard one tries, this is not, in my experience, realistic preparation for life.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 15, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

My neices and nephews have prepaid food cards, that accepted at a number of restaurants around the universities (and I assume on campus as well).

Posted by: dmd3 | October 15, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Gosh! Not just the "Boy's Residence Cafeteria (AKA Bunfight!)" and "Girls' Residence Cafeteria?!" Like, real food?

Kids these days! Get off my lawn!

Posted by: Yoki | October 15, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

We just gave our son a credit card. It comes out cheaper a semester than a meal plan and he can get greater variety. Closer to his frat house than the nearest dining hall, which is a traditional all you can eat greasy cafeteria, is a burrito place, a Waffle House, a sandwich shop, and a Starbucks.

He does have a disturbing familiarity with the trendy restaurant district which has inexplicably sprouted up just west of campus by the sewage treatment plant.

I did a google search of 'Top Ten Atlanta restaurants' and this place called Bacchanalia was a consensus choice. I made reservations for my wife and I, but when he heard we were going there (me and my big mouth), he guilted me into changing the reservation to three.

His roommate has been there as well, so they spent a half hour later that night comparing tasting notes. For the record, I had the Sheep’s Milk Ricotta Gnudi and the Wood Grilled Lamb Loin Chops. I don't even know what Gnudi is, but it was delicious.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

My son says the Indian restaurant in the student center is a little overpriced, but the curries are plenty spicy.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

EYE know what gnudi is, and it is not nearly as filthy as yello hoped, but more delicious than he could have dreamt.

Was there a little good olive oil drizzled?

Posted by: Yoki | October 15, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

The gnudi featured "Hakurei Turnips & Greens with Brown Butter Cider Vinaigrette"

Menu Page 1:
Page 2:

There was also an amuse bouche, a palate cleaner before the cheese course and some petit fours after dessert.

Our reservation was for 9:00 but we weren't seated until 9:20, so we had some cocktails at the bar (a Moscow Mule in the requisite copper mug for me and my wife had a house specialty called Ginger Eve which was apple juice, Makers Mark, and ginger).

We rolled out plenty full. When we left at quarter to midnight, the table of five twenty-something blondes were still cooing over the three-month-old baby one of them had brought along.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 16, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Yoki | October 16, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, the half bottle of wine we split at the table (waiters don't seem to bother carding my son, which just means less wine for me) would have blown the Food Stamps Challenge for the week.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 16, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Got a 34 mile bike ride/picnic in the morning. Nite all.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 16, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

'night, friend

Posted by: Yoki | October 16, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

i had a friend during my freshman year at college known only as ashley roachclip. he always had something interesting in a sucrets box. made me think of this old allbros tune:

Posted by: -jack- | October 16, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

and this, considered by many to be *the* take for this song:

Posted by: -jack- | October 16, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

I guess I didn't understand the lyrics of that song, when I was young, but I love National Guitar Blues, deeply, 'specially slide.

Posted by: Yoki | October 16, 2010 3:04 AM | Report abuse

This the one I and brother Dave played on our guitars.

Posted by: Yoki | October 16, 2010 3:11 AM | Report abuse

No tours for my kids. They both picked a program and were accepted. No tour for me either, I was accepted at Laval U and denied at UdM so this was an easy choice.

On the other hand a colleague of mine did the tours with 2 of his kids even if between himself and his wife they covered Ottawa U, Carleton, Waterloo and Western Ontario. They have one kid in Waterloo and one at Trent in Peterborough even though he is technically registered at Queen's. He's studying teaching and kayaking or something like that. Trent does have some weird programs. My buddy, for the sake of saving wear on the cars, hope that the third kid will pick Ottawa U or at least one of the campus he already visits regularly.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 16, 2010 6:13 AM | Report abuse

While I'm hugging the early hours I might as well add that there are fine universities outside Ontario&Quebec. A (now retired) co-worker of mine sent his overly shy daughter to St-Francis Xavier, thinking the small liberal art undergraduate college might be a good match with her. It was, and in addition she rubbed elbows with the progeny of the Canadian elite. SFX seems to be the place where the Eatons, Desmarais, Chrétien, Mulroney, Thompsons, etc send their kids.
But the drive to beautiful Antigonish is hellish.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 16, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse

My wife spent one summer at Université du Québec à Trois-Rivières in a French immersion program. That is where she began drinking screwdrivers because it was the easiest drink to order in French.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 16, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. I think most of you that know me, know that I'm hearing-impaired. Do you think folks like me should be quiet, since in a sense it is highly likely we don't really know what we're talking about in most situations? I mean, let's be honest here, we're dependent on others to tell us what is being said, or what was said.

It's so hard for me to do that, I mean the quiet part. I can do it for a little while, and then it seems the words just burst out. And usually they come out swinging, real passionate, and it really doesn't matter the subject. And this makes people despise me, hate me, and say all manner of ugly things about me.

I am not a saint. I term myself as the least of God's children, the very least, but as long as He owns me, I'm fine with being the least. Because being the least of God's is better than be nothing with God.

Thank you for listening. You are dear friends and I love you all. I can talk with you when I can't talk with anyone else.

Have a lovely day, and love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 16, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Nuttin' wrong with that Cassandra.
The UQTR is one college the Denizen extended family hasn't tried yet yello. We've done UdM, UQUAM, Laval and Sherbrooke.

I just realized that SFX is the perfect uni for those having a private jet. *smacking head*

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 16, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

By all means, speak up Cassandra.

In case I haven't bored you with my pictures, here are the shots from the Ramblin' Reck Parade. There are three types of entries, classic cars, floats and contraptions. Classic cars are just that. This year had a bumper crop of Mustangs and Corvettes.

Floats are anything decorated to match the homecoming theme which this year was 125 Years of Tradition. Hence, all the allusions to the 'T' being stolen from the Tech Tower.

The last are contraptions which is any device with a non-traditional power train. Few of these ever work, but it is fun to watch them try.

As always, my car identification skill are proportional to my testosterone level, which may be TMI. So I ask the more car savvy to leave comments on the make and year either on the picture or in the Boodle for anything I have missed.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 16, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

NukeSpawn already seems to have her college choices sussed out, but we'll go over such trifles as tuition and such sometime in the next year so she knows what's what before touring time.

Over @, I'm detecting a certain herbal theme... *raised unibrow* But I'm still not detecting much in the way of wit or talent.

Let's just not bring up spookyordooky, shall we?

RIP Simon MacCorkindale, aka Manimal...

*preparing-for-official-airport-pickup-duty-and-a-very-busy-upcoming-work-week Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 16, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all. I love Saturdays when I can sleep till 7:30 without guilt!

Mr. T was up and out early to rent a manlift. He went to the Pineville location, which is called the Charlotte store, and was sent to the Pineville store, which is half again as far away. He got home and couldn't get the beast to work, so he's gone to take it back. Not an auspicious start.

I still have a stuffy nose from the cold but I feel okay, hope that means I'll get though the day.

Cassandra, talk all you want to. We'll listen because you tell us things we need to know and stuff we need to do.

I don't think either of my kids did an official campus tour before applying. We took the Geekdottir to Chapel Hill and walked around when she was in high school - Mr. T went there - and she liked it. Freshman orientation was a family trip for Elderdottir, but Geekdottir went on her own.

I'm glad SonofYello likes his urban setting. It makes things much easier when they're happy.

Posted by: slyness | October 16, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

I can't help but to think that in a few years or so it will become readily apparent that the changes in the way people are elected in the US has been forever changed by the internet.

The internet provides ultraquick dissemination of information, both factual and imaginary, and allows small groups of like-minded folks to band together. It is, in essence, a very efficient force multiplier.

The most out-of-the-box, or, to be less neutral, radical people and groups can rise to prominence much more easily now. In the past, the rhetoric would have been contained on a single street corner or in a narrowly-read newsletter. Now, the callings resonate everywhere.

Some of the people and organizations that have benefitted have incredibly helped society everywhere. Others not so much.

Conventional wisdom is no more.

Posted by: baldinho | October 16, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

My grandfather graduated from St.XF, never thought of it as an elitist school before.

Eldest would like to be a teacher and I am encouraging her to look at Trent as they used to, and hope still do have a combined program so that you graduated with an undergrad degree and the teaching degree after 5 years.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 16, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all.

Warm muffins, coffee and OJ on the table.

yello, love the wolves.

My parents were firm believers in the college tour thing and back then visits were often encouraged. I went to 20 schools from California to Massachusetts. Overkill? Quite possibly, but it was the last one I saw that became my #1 choice and, eventually, my alma mater.

Over at the WaPo pundit contest they experienced the Chicago Voting Credo: vote early and often. Some contestants received unusual surges in votes that appear incompatible with even the most vibrant of online social networks. If anyone in the WaPo IT department has to work this weekend to sort it out, you have my sympathy.

Posted by: MsJS | October 16, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all.

I can see JA's been spending some quality time with the Man in the Basement, perhaps some of that "Back in *my* day" stuff rubbing off. Joel - you've got great hair, please step back from the powedered wig, OK?

I've been talking college visit with my middle daughter, and I think we'll be doing a few in the spring and summer. She's been to a few already, and as to some she's interested in, and she did mention GT, yello.

I told her I knew some active alum and students there and that they were always high in my opinion.


Posted by: -bc- | October 16, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I went on lots of college tours, first tagging along with my older sister, and then looking for myself. We didn't generally do special trips for them, though -- we lived in the southeast and had grandparents in the northeast, so we drove a good bit of the east coast every summer anyhow, and we pretended the rest of the country didn't have any colleges. Once I had my shortlist, I visited my top three choices overnight, sleeping on the floor of a freshman dorm room, going to a class. Maybe overkill, but I found it really helpful to be there without my parents and away from the official guided tour. I chose the place where I had the best conversations that night, and it turned out to be a really good place for me. Of course, there's nothing to say that the other options wouldn't have been good, too.

Posted by: -bia- | October 16, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Now I am pondering whether in bc's opinion the alums and students were always high, or whether they ranked high in his/her opinion. This is a very difficult language.

Posted by: gmbka | October 16, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

It has lately come to my attention that not only are the hoi polloi not using the internet correctly, even those I thought surely would do so are also not. I know a newspaper writer and blogger who never heard of Godwin's Law. How is that possible? A friend never reads Wikipedia because "you can't trust Wikipedia." This reminds me of another friend who checked into the Google thing in early 1999, sneered, and went back to AltaVista for the next five years.

Maybe 1% of the people I know can tailor a Google search to automatically exclude all results but for college and governmental sites.

Millions of cranky oldsters persist in sending crazy emails and have yet still not heard of Snopes. It goes on and on.

Maybe one day, baldinho.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 16, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Jumper, even people that have heard of Snopes aren't immune from teh stooopid:


Posted by: Scottynuke | October 16, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Always high? I didn't think either of them did that, bc.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 16, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Hey, y'all ... happy Saturday.

Drive-by here just to reply to DaveoftheCoonties regarding my fascination with bonsai. I know how high maintenance they are (darnit) having cared for two beautiful specimens over the years. The art still intrigues me.

I was first introduced to bonsai after visiting this monastery (site link below) in Conyers, Georgia, as a child, then several times since. Their website is pretty lowkey ... so is the monastery, for that matter, but beautiful and peaceful. Their greenhouses captured my imagination then and on every subsequent visit.

And I love bromeliads myself! Anything leafy and green, really. ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

gmbka, knowing bc, he meant both, but only as a joke in the stoner sense. Which reminds me, I thought pot would have been legal by now.

Not to invoke Godwin's Law, but a certain radical politician in Germany rose to prominence long before the internet or even TV. It has more to do with economics, I think. Milbank or someone wrote a column about that recently.

Posted by: seasea1 | October 16, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

So a policeman pulls over a car in Russia, but has to jump into it when a pack of wolves descends on the highway...

Posted by: -TBG- | October 16, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse


GT has that championship Reck Racing team. Just sayin'.

And Air Tran flies direct to ATL from BWI for parents' weekend.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 16, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

My college choice/visit story ---

I knew where I wanted to go to college by the time I was ten or eleven. I had visited the campus (vast, rural, beautiful architecture) because other family members had attended. By the time I was a sophomore in HS, knowing my study/career interests, I "determined", in a stubborn-as-a-mule way, that I would attend. Not the only place I applied but, when accepted, jumped.

They offered a double-major in Art/Home Economics (as they called it at the time) with a minor in Literature. They also had a work-study program whereby I could take classes in the mornings and work in the Weaving Program (the loom tomb) all afternoon and earn part of my tuition. Perfect. And it was! They "paid" me, taught me the classic weaving (and other textile) arts. I studied basic design concepts through the Art Dept. and indulged my love of literature and writing through studies there.

Visitation prior to matriculation consisted of the college inviting all accepted students for a four-day stay (sans parents). We attended classes with an upperclass(wo)man and lived in the dorm, ate on and off campus ... etc. It was a Wednesday night to Sunday afternoon ritual there.

I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. 1969-1973 ... I had!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Talitha... are you a Hokie?

Posted by: -TBG- | October 16, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Nope, a Viking.

The student union was Valhalla!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

And jack's reference to a sucrets-box cracked me up last night. The Allman Bros. played several small gigs at my college, too, so jack really got me 'thinkin' and reminiscing.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

While I'm on here ...

Cassandra, don't ever let someone call your strong voice down! Your gentle and clear words sing songs to me everytime I read them. No one has the right to silence you.

I got a smackdown just yesterday on another 'board' where I've expressed my thoughts freely for a long time. It was unwarrented and several wrote to defend my position. I didn't reply to the attacker directed, nor will I, but will continue to write anything I feel is relevant to the topic at hand. (The complaint was that I post links or references -or songs, heaven forbid- to topics pertaining to the subject at hand ... reckon where I learned that "trick"?) ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

scc: respond "directly"

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

talitha -- those people (you know, "them") who try with an iron hand to keep people on topic are generally control freaks anyway, tend to be narcissistic (because, well, you know, only *they* can run things) and have a pretty constipated world view. @nal retention does that, yanno.

I'll bet they never colored outside the lines, either. I think that's why I love modern and expressionist art so much. They ain't no lines in those genres!

Posted by: ftb3 | October 16, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

When I was a teenager, we didn't have a lot of money to waste on college applications, never mind tours. I only toured RIT; my brother drove me up there.

I nearly went there. A last-minute scholarship from a local college I hadn't even applied to plus my mom's empty-nest anxiety combined with a few misgivings about a technical college over a liberal arts all resulted in me going to college in Washington, D.C.

After attending so many colleges, I can't say I made a mistake at all there. It was definitely right for me then.

My other colleges, I basically visited only after I had already picked them. I mean, college is college.

It's not like you're going to be sucked into a McD's fry cult and be burnt to a crisp if you pick the wrong college for a science course.

I think a little adventure is a good thing. You just need to ensure your major needs are met.

I didn't even visit my latest one until after I had been accepted and confirmed to enroll-- I researched over 40 different programs first, looking for specific factors that would enable me to succeed.

In the end, I was influenced by others' comments (alumni etc.) and a few bonus factors in deciding between this and another college.

No regrets upon accepting this college sight-unseen, just a bit of stress until I could actually visit and see the college and be sure everything was as advertised for my main needs.

I talked to a classmate who was rejected by U of Michigan, rather rudely, and came here. I asked her what made her apply there, and she named some factors, such as meeting faculty from there.

I said, I interned at U of Michigan and Ann Arbor is an interpreter desert; they literally had only one interpreter contracted there and she wasn't able to work fulltime. I was asked if I would transfer there to continue my internship and I said no immediately. An university that large should have more deaf services.

She blinked at having to consider that kind of issue when attending college. I said, that's life. Reputation isn't worth anything if the college doesn't meet your needs.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 16, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

ftb, this person has been trying to "moderate" the site, out of her own lack of creative thought (yes, coloring outside the lines) for a while. She often succeeds, gets called out, drags her tail for a while. She targeted me a long time ago ... I've never been sure why, because I'm not exactly aggressive.

It's a mystery. *grin*

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, talitha. Why you might have been targeted is that he/she thought (oh, let's call it "it") just wanted to throw a bunch of excrement your way to see if it stuck. I tend not to be that aggressive, either (although opposing counsel might think otherwise), but you might just wish to fling some of the excrement back, like this: "I'm here to stay and in my style. I'm not going to change myself or my style for you in particular or for the world in general. If you don't like it, I suggest that you take your constipated self somewhere else, where your clear control-freak personality might be honored and enjoyed. St. Elizabeth's, perhaps?"

Posted by: ftb3 | October 16, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't work, ftb. "It" has a following.
Best to save my best stuff for when it matters. I'd been engaged in a semi-sarcastic, but good-hearted, dialogue with a couple of folks and "It" hadn't even read the whole thread. When you see that trainwreak coming you just wait for the crash ..... then proceed as normal. ;)

Whew! It does sometimes take your breathe away though. (Tanks fo yo support!)

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

scc: breath
(those 'e's and 'm's and just jump around like fleas)

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Here's a wonderful rant by Stephen Frye. Very appropriate for this bunch...

Posted by: rickoshea11 | October 16, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Maggie, that Stephen Frye rant was absolutely delicious!!!!!! Fabulous!

Thanks sooooooooo much for sharing that.

Okay, so how's the body doing? Are you up on your feet yet?

Posted by: ftb3 | October 16, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Rickoshea - Excellent! (just sent it on to several who will love it.)

Hope you are well and getting around with more ease. Think of you often ... tal.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

talitha -- are you coming for the Stewart/Colbert thing? We gotta meet! I mean, I won't be at the march as such, as the body has under no circumstances agreed to it. But, if there is a BPH/IBPH going on in conjunction with it (and it will be within driving/parking distance), then I will try to be there.

*wondering what the Shop Steward is planning*

Posted by: ftb3 | October 16, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Can't do it, ftb ... a major regret. Earlier med/dental carp was scheduled prior. I'll be there in spirit and the "freak flag flying", though ... you can be sure.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

ftb and talitha, please try to stay on topic. We aren't scheduled to discuss "The Box, Coloring Outside Lines of" until Nov. 14.

Hey, Maggie.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | October 16, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: ftb3 | October 16, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

William & Mary is, by the way, a great school. Both my kids were fortunate to have gone there. The amazing thing is that 90% or more of people outside VA do not realize it is a state school! If you child can get in and you live in VA, it is a great financial deal as well!

Posted by: yenta1 | October 16, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh, phylllllbert, mudge. Crack me up!

Perhaps you should include a how-not to- "Paint by Numbers" kit in the introductory package?

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

As a wee callow youth, I went through an extended paint-by-numbers phase, and was rather good at it, if I do say so myself. Two of my early works, "Cocker Spaniel" and "Maine Lighthouse" hung proudly on the walls of my grandparents' house for many, many years. True story.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | October 16, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I want to know how to do that kinetic typography. Good rant, yes.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 16, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

What, we're stuck with using paint? That's so narrow-minded and bourgeosis.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 16, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Paint-by-numbers? You were lucky...

We had to paint-by-cuneiform!

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 16, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

We just used mud to paint,
sticks chewed on the end for brushes.

See ... I ain't stunted. *L*

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Mud? You're lucky.

We had to scratch in the dust when I was a kid.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 16, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 16, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I do SO love boodlers!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, one Christmas 'Santa Claus' brought down the chimney a "PaintbyNumber" kit (huge) of the Civil War Battles. I blame a lot of ...something... on the days spent making sure every inch/number/color was matched perfectly to the "precribed" formula --- and the early truama of painting blood on a 'canvas' that I hadn't sketch in the first place.

That and being taken to view the Cycloramas in Atlanta and Gettysburg for years. I think I've retrieved my sanity since then, but ... mercy!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

It was a gorgeous fall day in the other Federal Capital. I cut the grass for what I hope will be the last time. Couldn't do the ditches, haven't done them for weeks, with all the rain we had the ground is very soft. Last time I tried (September?) the mower wasn't mired or stuck in mud; it was sunk and lost at mud. It took me the best of 2 hours to pull it back from that particular patch of quicksand.
BTW turf-saving tires have NO traction. They are as slick as Baldinis, the famous Italian racing tires.

Fall food is the best though. I found some veal shanks at a semi-reasonable price so I was inspired to do an osso bucco. So this is on the menu with rappini stir fried with garlic and buttered pappardelle. Wine to be determined later, I bet that it will be Italian.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 16, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

yenta - I agree completely. Although I fear much of the money not spent on tuition goes to WaWa.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | October 16, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Oooh, sounds wonderful, shriek, may I come? Actually, I have a roast on the stove cooking with onion and garlic, and just put a butternut squash casserole in to bake, using the last of the fresh parsley.

Next spring, I promise I will plant myself a container of herbs I can bring in to use through the winter.

Between helping Mr. T trim and put limbs on the street for pickup, I made cheesestraws for fall family festival tomorrow. I hope they'll sell well. Not as spicy as they should be, because my cayenne wasn't fresh, but good anyway.

Mr. T and Geekdottir put the logs from the tree trimming at the curb with a sign: free firewood. A neighbor picked them all up within half a hour.

Posted by: slyness | October 16, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Slyness, the butternut squas casserole is for tomorrow. I figured that if I use 2 per week they'll be gone by Christmas. We are a little behind but not that much. There's 3 out of 5 pumkins/potiron left but they are the bigger ones (they are on secondary duty as Halloween decor right now, they'll return as food later). We haven't touched any of the 2 Hubbards or 4 turbans yet. We are fully squashed, as it were.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 16, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Slyness, the butternut squash casserole is for tomorrow. I figured that if I use 2 per week they'll be gone by Christmas. We are a little behind but not that much. There's 3 out of 5 pumkins/potiron left but they are the bigger ones (they are on secondary duty as Halloween decor right now, they'll return as food later). We haven't touched any of the 2 Hubbards or 4 turbans yet. We are fully squashed, as it were.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 16, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 16, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to go off topic (again) but it looks like we could see Harry Reid lose but the Dems hold the majority in the Senate.

That would mean a new Democrat majority leader.

Any guesses who that would be? There would be lots of strategery in THAT decision, I bet. They'd have to pick someone who is safe for reelection, of course. An ally of Obama.

John Kerry?

Posted by: baldinho | October 16, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for appreciating the ambiuguity, folks. I do so strive for it. Clarity, conciseness, precision - these things are alien to me. I say, bring on the uncertainty -- and another round.

Of course W&M is indeed a great state school -- unfortunately, the only state Joel lives in is perpetual motion.

And yello, you were my Prime example of the GT elevated consciousness experience, dude.

I don't know how many WaWas there are near GT, but there *must* be places to get a box of Entemann's coffee cake covered donuts in a hurry at 3 AM. Or maybe Double Decker Chocolate Moon Pies and a CoCola.

Mudge, I know you've got a Kinkade paint-by-numbers set somewhere, don't you?


Posted by: -bc- | October 16, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I have one butternut squash on my kitchen counter, just waiting. I'll buy more of them as the fall and winter go on. Today the farmers market had parsnips, which I do love. But it's hard to find the smaller ones, which are sweeter. The big ones are usually too woody to do anything with.

Just ordered some Chinese food for delivery. I'll be able to get three meals out of it, too. Not bad, I'd say.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 16, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Aw. Just read that Barbara Billingsley, Beaver Cleaver's mom, died today. She was 94.

Ohhhhhh, the memories.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 16, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Didn't she speak jive?

Posted by: baldinho | October 16, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

You tempted me, ftb. I just called in thai takeout. Here's hoping I DO get three meals out of it.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 16, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Talitha - Very cool that you know the Holy Spirit monastery near Conyers. When I was a teen, I dropped by there every now & then for several years. I lived about 12-15 miles away, and it was just the right place for taking a breather on some of my bicycle rides.

There wasn't a lot of idle chit-chat with the monks, but someone always offered me a cool drink on a hot day. I think my occasional donations were a (well-appreciated) source of amusement to them. I'd imagine that some of the lay brothers with whom I had conversations reside there still.

And yello - When you refer to the geekiest frat at Ga Tech, was that by any chance Psi Upsilon? My buddy Robert (he of the extraordinary bicycle treks) was briefly a member, and I hung out at the house occasionally, lo those many years ago. They definitely held that title back then.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 16, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I heard awhile back that Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin would be vying for Majority Leader if Reid loses.

Too bad about Barbara Billingsley.

We had very good dim sum today with my kid and his girlfriend, who is Malaysian (and a sweetheart). Tried some things I hadn't before.

Posted by: seasea1 | October 16, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

seasea, Chicago Magazine had an article to that effect a few months back.

Makes sense. Durbin is #2 in the leadership hierarchy and Schumer is #3 in seniority. And they don't like each other much. One's quite partisan (Durbin), one's more of a centrist (Schumer).

Have a great evening!

Posted by: MsJS | October 16, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Very cool indeed, BobS. The blue light in sanctuary in Conyers still reflects in my eyes ... as well as the cool pond where watercress grew unhindered.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Benoit Mandelbrot and Barbara Billingsley both?

I'm seriously bummed out.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 16, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

NY Times 'bit for Mandelbrot:

Posted by: Bob-S | October 16, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

And a bit more Mandelbrot on a blog that's been cited here before:

Posted by: Bob-S | October 16, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Barbara Billingsley on wearing pearls and heels ---

and some classic stuff---

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I need to find a word that rhymes with "bear"...

but my head hurts.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

That would be the one. It's good to see them maintaining a proud tradition.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 16, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

One, two, or three syllables?

Beware, financial affairs
over glassware are a bear;
billionaires won't care
if you steal the poor's chair
or indeed, sell short Zaire--
But forget to foreswear nightwear
while sitting in your neckwear
before you're a magnate of software
and you may wind up in the lair
of ursine nightmares....

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 16, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Ha! I went back and clicked on Yellojkt's pics gallery. I shouldn't have had to ask, given that the frat's symbol is prominently displayed. If they're still in the same house, then it's had some new paint over the years. Some new ceiling tiles, too.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 16, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

or you could use ...

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 16, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, I was trying to help out the Beav ... who needed to write a poem about a bear.

Someday I'll learn to ref my refs. *L*

I am loathe to dare
the woman armed for bear ... she's backed
with black dog magic.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Wilbrod - Talitha was making reference to the "Leave it to Beaver" episode (alas, not captioned) to which she'd linked. The Beaver is assigned to write a poem for school, and has chosen bears as the subject.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 16, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

That's very considerate of you to explain to such a youngster as myself, sir and ma'am.

Now, what would Eddie Haskell do in this situation?

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 16, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Black dog magic low:
Must refuel by druidic rites
at nearest oak- NOW.


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 16, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

RIP, Benoit.

Once belonging to a science book club, I got The Fractal Geometry of Nature in hardback. Difficult to read, I had to go through the math and mess with fractals for several years, including the all-important program FractalVision by Dick Oliver, before I was equipped to re-read Mandelbrot's book. How illuminating it turned out to be. I bought another hardback copy of FGN, thinking I could pass it on to someone who appreciated it. Alas, none such entered my life in the next few years. I donated it to the local library system.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 16, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Bob-S | October 16, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Is there some unwritten rule that Senate Majority Leaders do not come from big states? Seems that most of the leaders since 1980 or so are from smaller ones. Does the Senate, controlled by the smaller states (at least relative to the House) try to keep true to its roots?

Posted by: baldinho | October 16, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Eddie Haskell would suck Barbara Billingley's pearls just to get a grip on the next mean carp he could pull on the Beav.

Then Wally would have to jerk a knot in Eddie's proverbial tail, backed up by Walt.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Eddie Haskell would suck Barbara Billingley's pearls just to get a grip on the next mean carp he could pull on the Beav.

Then Wally would have to jerk a knot in Eddie's proverbial tail, backed up by Walt.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I guess that Barbara would be wearing a "double strand" of pearls this evening. ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I've got a question for the boodle. How would you define and/or differentiate ---

'Porn' vs 'Erotica'?

I ask this because I became involved in discussion about someone who used 'porn' as a diversion in marriage. I threw out the concept that 'erotica' has existed throughout history, worldwide, in all cultures, in literature and the visual arts. Some accepted the idea and yet many saw no difference.

I wrote at one point, "...there is a vast, ancient and worldwide genre of erotica that has titillated women and men over the centuries, millenia even. Interesting that no one has mentioned that here. Paintings and literature abound that speak to the sexual desires of us all.

The 20th/21st centuries didn't invent this when the moving picture made its debut, after all."

and at another point in the thread ... when someone asked where to draw the line between porn and erotica, I wrote, "I'll tell, I don't draw a line.

From the Kama Sutra to the Song of Solomon to the erotic paintings from Persia, Japan, China, India ... the medieval and Victorian era "boudoir" paintings of prim England. If you'd like to examine the Marquis de Sade, etc., be my guest ... I have,and been both enlightened and repelled.

Consider Rodin's sculptures, Picasso's distorted torsos, any number of painters and photographers ... right up to the uncensored silent films of the early 30s (before the "dirty minded censors" got their hand on them) there still existed free expression of erotica in the world.

Michaelangelo displayed it in his finest work ... but even those who aren't homophobic refuse to acknowledge the obvious."

Some have ourright attacked my views as "bohemian, leftie, hippie, communist..." you name it. A few get my references, which I deliberately kept to a minimum. I was sort of flabbergasted that a group of folks whom I know to be open-minded about most social aggendae were so closed-minded on this subject.

Sooooo - I throw it out to the boodle. And, ladies of the panel --- I know the exploitation of women that modern porn employs ... all the ills that the sex-trade still renders on this earth*-- that was the argument I tried to make earlier with them. I felt everything I wrote fell on deaf ears.

So frustrating ... whistling in the dark.

*will try to find my post to them acknowleding and referencing the sex-trade, women as chattel, children sold into the sex-tradegoes on in this world. Some are happy in their naivete', other have blinders firmly affixed.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I kilt it, I see.
Beg pardon, kindly.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 16, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Here, talitha:

This is also useful:

"The Canadian Supreme Court wrestled with the line between pornography and erotica going back to 1962's case Brodie v. the Queen, which involved D. H. Lawrence's erotic classic Lady Chatterley's Lover. In its decision on whether Lawrence's book was obscene, the court noted that it "has none of the characteristics that are often described in judgments dealing with obscenity --dirt for dirt's sake, the leer of the sensualist, depravity in the mind of an author with an obsession for dirt, pornography, an appeal to a prurient interest, etc." In 1992, the Canadian high court changed its 'dirt for dirt's sake' test until it ruled in the case of sex shop operator R. v. Butler that a work is pornographic if it is "degrading and dehumanizing." This remains the central test in Canadian courts."

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | October 17, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Dunno, a photo of a half-naked 14 year old selling a product doesn't have the same appeal as Michaelangelo to me.

A lot of it is about social context, I think. Personally I'm not comfortable seeing porn unexpectedly at, say, work, on subway stations, etc.

I will say that I think Mapplethorpe is amazing in his photography work. And I know there's a difference between that and porn (or outright filth), even in the most shocking pictures.

Is it the artistic merit alone, or the sense of worship of the other, instead of a tight focus on the act of conjoinment alone? Again, I think context helps build emotion concerning the subject portrayed.

And yes, the exploitive aspect definitely is a turn-off for me, not to mention the bodies portrayed.

All I can say is, I think porn definitely emphasizes the physical performance over the foreplay or intimacy-- the visual, the artifical angle, the drama, and porn or blue movies has NOT been good sex-ed for men my age at all.

So, I have very little good to say about porn videos, because due to warped or absent cultural context,they also warp perceptions and lead to objectification of sex as an mechanical activity alone.

This warping of perspective isn't unique to our age. Victorian porn often forgot to indicate that adult women in fact had body hair.

Erotica, at least, is clearly art rather than a fictious portrayal of raw, stylized action without context taken as real, and that makes all the difference for me.

That's about as nuanced I'm going to get, but may indicate why many people will distinguish very sharply between erotica and porn.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 17, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

...And not everybody will have the same line between erotica and porn.

That will always be true simply because the ability to appreciate erotic art as art rather depends on the ability to keep the eyes from popping out of the head altogether.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 17, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

For me, the Canadian courts get it pretty much right. Pornography is base, exploitative, and never has pleasure running two (or more) ways. There is no mutuality. And no, I don't think 'conjoining' (whatever that may be) is key to this understanding.

By this, you will know that I have a pretty high tolerance for the erotic.

But, aside from intellectualising it all (because I still think we know porn when we see it), here is a true story which I find sort of endearing. During *Brodie*, when it was known that a decision had been made but before it was announced, my Dad nicked down to the corner bookshop on a very cold Montreal night to pick up a copy before the shopkeeper might be required to clear the shelves. He reports that there was a queue out the door.

The copy of Lady Chatterley on my bookshelves today is the very battered paperback he bought that evening. When I discovered it when I was twelve, well, let us just say that reading it at that age was a formative experience.

Posted by: Yoki | October 17, 2010 1:41 AM | Report abuse

When choosing which college to write to for brochures, I did a sort of eeny meeny miny moe.

Before that, the thing to do was to go to the US Embassy and look through a big book where all the colleges were listed. The book gives you the basic information. For further info, you’ll have to write to the school. The school I chose had to satisfy 2 criteria. First, it had to be somewhere cheap because I had limited funds. Second, it had to be in a state that has 4 seasons. Any state that is hot or even warm most of the year was out. I wrote to 5 and heard from 4.

Posted by: rainforest1 | October 17, 2010 3:05 AM | Report abuse

Okay, Yoki, you said it better than me-- lack of mutality and the exploitive aspect. I was speaking of its effects.

A lot of blue comedians and rap musicans are far more degrading of women, though, if we're going to use that as the standard of pornography.

Then we get into real free speech issues.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 17, 2010 3:07 AM | Report abuse

That is a great percentage, rainforest!

I applied to three, and was accepted by all of them. In those long ago days, though (when ice covered the earth), there were no essays or videos, resumes, none of that. I filled in the blanks, name, address, home phone, and attached a transcript of my high school marks. Apparently, it was enough that I had a name, address, phone number and a high school diploma. Oh, and that I didn't need financial aid.

Posted by: Yoki | October 17, 2010 3:11 AM | Report abuse

Wilbrod, I do use that standard for comedians as well. I'm pretty open to laughing at the generally offensive or 'warm,' but not when the broad is also demeaning.

As for the pornification of our young people, I think our society has a lot to answer for. When 17-year-olds of any gender with nearly no experience expect that real sex is like porn sex, we've failed. The most important failure is that we've not taught them that real sex is more fun, and more exciting, and more connecting, than that horrid parody of the real.

Posted by: Yoki | October 17, 2010 3:21 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. Well at least most of you have had some teachings about sex. Where I come from it was not discussed, worst than a foreign language. I once asked a local doctor to come and talk to the young people at the Center about sex. It was a mixed crowd. Little people and semi-little people. It completely threw him off. He was expecting an older crowd. He started off by saying, sex is the way each and every one gets to this place, as in here. He handled it quite nicely, and of course, had their undivided attention.

I'm getting ready, folks. It's Sunday! Time for Sunday school and morning worship service. Please join me, I would love your company.

Have a beautiful day, and love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 17, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Not that I ever oversimplify things (ha!), but I'll riff on Wilbrod's discussion:

Porn -- mechanical

Erotica -- Makes a larger point, regardless of the mechanical aspect

Looks like MLB fans have two competitive league championships to watch! Good to see the Rangers bounce back in Game 2, and while both Halladay and Lincecum were sparkling at points, did anyone really expect them to maintain the otherworldliness they exhibited in their previous outings?

NukeSpouse and I had a nice little dinner at a local Japanese steakhouse, with the added bonus of getting to watch a couple groups of highschoolers all dressed up for something (and surreptitiously texting under the table). And I even caught 3 outta 4 shrimp bits the chef tossed my way! Don't worry, the 4th landed on my napkin, so it didn't go to waste. :-)

*off-to-do-the-weekly-shopping-and-prepare-for-another-sports-soaked-afternoon Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 17, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra!! Stop sneaking in while I'm posting already! :-) *HUGSSSSSSSSS*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 17, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

I know it when I see it.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 17, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

OK, so this is a few days late, but still funny!!

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 17, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

That may have be a different house in your day. I recall my son saying their current house is the old Pi Kappa Phi house. Ironically my brother was a member of the University of Florida Pi Kappa Phi chapter and I went to a party at the old house when he came up on some inter-chapter trip. It was a Thursday and all the Gators did was complain about how boring the campus was.

At some point, my brother filled my son with tales of the joys of fraternity life. This was a big compensating factor when he didn't get accepted into more prestigious schools which didn't have quite as vigorous a Greek life. He was determined to pledge a fraternity and got bids from Psi U and Phi Kappa Sigma (Skulls).

My wife immediately web-researched both chapters and found that the Skulls were well represented in many IFC functions while Psi U's presence was negligible. My son reassured her that Psi U was going to be a much better fit for him. He seems to have been right.

When Turner Broadcasting took over Tenth Street, they built four new fraternity houses across from the baseball stadium for Pi Kappa Alpha, Pi Kappa Phi, Pi Kappa Theta, and Phi Mu. The Pikes had a very unsavory reputation and I don't know if being closer to the center of campus has mellowed them any. I'm not even sure what happened to their fire truck.

For those of you completely lost by this rather school specific musing, here is an interactive map of the GT campus:

All the fraternity and sorority houses are in light blue. For reference, the tricycle race I posted pictures of is 10-15 laps around the big purple 8 in middle and the stadium is the brown 17 near the very bottom.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 17, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Mario meets Dig-Dug. Brilliant.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 17, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

The Canadian definitions for pornography are particularly prim and are based on the legal musings of some extremely feminist thinkers such as Andrea Dworkin and Catharine MacKinnon. Their thoughts proceed from the premise that all depictions of sex are inherently discriminatory against women. As Canada has applied these standards, it has led to some interesting situations. Explicit women-created pornography for the lesbian market (as opposed to 'lesbian' porn for the male market) has been confiscated as being exploitative of women. Canada also has laws against the depiction of minors having sex even if the actors are of legal age. Drawn widely enough, this principle could get Glee into trouble.

In the US, there are no rules against pornography per se and the real issue is what constitutes 'obscenity'. This usually revolves around "whether to the average person, applying contemporary community standards, the dominant theme of the material taken as a whole appeals to a prurient [lewd or lustful] interest" and is "utterly without redeeming social value". I just read a book by a guy whose job at Hustler was to make sure every issue had *some* socially redeeming value.

An obscenity trial in DC this summer acquitted a pornographer who goes by the nom de film of 'Buttman' who makes extreme fetish films involving lactation. The jury seems to have focused on issues such as consensuality of the characters, no minors being involved, and the lack of violence.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 17, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Love the Mario Miners, Scotty!

Daughter and I went to GMU last night to see Seth Meyers, of SNL fame (head writer; Weekend Update Anchor). We found out too late that Jimmy Fallon was doing two shows at GW last night as well. We could have made the second show and seen two SNL anchors in one night.

Meyers was hilariously funny. I didn't know he did stand up (he's only been at it for a few years) and he had great presence, timing and very funny material.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 17, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

And was it a fun read yello? Something I could gift to DNAGuy next time I see him?
Hm...perhaps he would prefer a copy of Hustler instead?

Posted by: DNA_Girl | October 17, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

SCC: The jury did not acquit Stagliano; charges were dismissed by the judge for shoddy evidence.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 17, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I don't know the answer to your question, talitha, but I have a clue of sorts: kissing is very rare in porn but not rare in erotica.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 17, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

The book in question is 'Hella Nation' by Evan Wright and was given to me by father, which is why I moved it to the top of my to-read list as it came so strongly endorsed by him.

It's a collection of articles Wright had written for Rolling Stone and other magazines after his couple of years tenure at Hustler. Perhaps a quarter to a third of the book deals directly or indirectly with his employment in the adult entertainment field. The rest are character studies in various American subcultures such as pro-skaters, white supremacists, and soldiers stationed in Afghanistan.

As to what reading material you should give your husband while you are separated for such a long time, that is tough for me to say. Tastes are so specific.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 17, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Depends on what counts as kissing.

I have a real problem with the erotica/pornography dichotomy because it usual comes down to the difference between what men find stimulating and what women do. My wife reads a genre called 'suspense romance' which are essentially romance novels involving spies. Think John Le Carre meets Nora Roberts. Like all romance novels, ***SPOILER ALERT*** they end with the two protagonists making a life-long monogamous commitment. Talk about unrealistic wish-fulfillment.

I, on the other hand, read very few books with explicit sexual content mostly because science fiction writers are so abysmally bad at it.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 17, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

talitha, I can't comment on your question, as I have mentioned before all I know about the porn industry is from a documentary we had to watch in a law class in university - an indepth look at the dark side of the industry - probably done by one of the women yello mentioned, after that can't say I was ever interested in the genre again, and particulary not interested in watching in a large group - Uncomfortable!

Another minor humour piece, perhaps too inside for those outside Canada but made me laugh, from Rick Mercers show this week.

Another heads up he head to Louisberg this week, will post a video for talitha when it is posted to YouTube.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 17, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

What product had ads that boasted the product was recommended by both doctors and plumbers?

Posted by: -TBG- | October 17, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Way off topic, but why doesn't someone (the government?) try to harness the energy of the Tea Party/Anti-government movement and put it to a positive end?

Set up a competition to create Galt's Gulch. Set up an enterprise zone that can opt out of many governmental regulations and set up its own tax system (if any). Have communities compete for the honor of being Galt's Gulch... and have committees of "real Americans" meet to set up the rules of the Gulch.

There could be a big presentation/competition by the competitors.... with the winner getting a sum of US Governmet tax dollars to assist in the creation of the gulch... with no strings attached.

I bet this would be a great program. It could identify the strengths and weaknesses of the Tea Party Patriot movement. It would allow them to put their money where there mouth is.

I don't think there would be any real outcry against the creation of a Freedom Lover enterprise zone. How different would it be than a charter school? Think of it like Hong Kong.... a special shangri-la that would show the rest of us how to do things correctly. The result could be telling. Would Galt's gulch end up like Hong Kong? Would it end up blighted and ruined?

I would pay to be in the audience at the meetings where the Tea Party Patriots try to hammer out what rules and laws and taxes there would actually be in the Gulch.

I am serious about this concept. I bet there would be a lot of communities that have fallen into blight that would love a chance at a sort of rebirth. It could be in the Dakotas or the West or really any place that won the competition. Alaska would likely be out... how could the Gulch really work if it was so isolated from the rest of the country?

Let the Tea Party Patriots quit their bit--ing and get to something constructive for once. It would be an eye-opener for many. They could even put the main campus of Beck University there, like the parthenon in ancient Athens.

Posted by: baldinho | October 17, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

baldhino in '16!

Posted by: -TBG- | October 17, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

bc - unless they have changed the law recently, residents of the District of Columbia get in-state tuition everywhere, although I believe there is an annual cap of 10K. This conveniently, is the difference for William and Mary.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | October 17, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

My mental image of Galt's Gulch is a College Republicans meeting after a particularly strong batch of hippie brownies. Not a pretty thought.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 17, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Why should anyone (much less the gummint) do anything for the Tea Partiers? I know many Obama campaigners who do charity projects - to this day - to honor the spirit of his message. Tea Partiers can do the same, all on their own. I get your point about the fun of watching them try to set up their own perfect place, but I have no interest in enabling them in any way. All they do is gripe and moan - no solutions.

Posted by: seasea1 | October 17, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon everyone.
Heading out soon to watch Ravens/Patriots today before going to work.I am looking forward to another tough road battle for my purple clad boys.I can only hope the results are the same as last year's playoff game and not the regular season when the "Brady" rule was in it's full glory.Everyone keeps saying they(Patriots) are a different team without Randy Moss. But the way I look at it,you still got Tom Brady throwing the ball all over the place to his many weapons.I sure hope we can stop him and the refs don't stop us.

I did something fun this morning,I got into a traffic circle and drove around the circle 3 times......oh what i won't do for cheap entertainment.

Have a Great Day Everyone and


purple with envy

Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 17, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

A totally geek-out analysis of Goodnight Moon...

Posted by: -TBG- | October 17, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Someone else this morning suggested that I read the New Yorker article about Glenn Beck. Seeing as I don't want to lose my appetite, I politely declined.

Laundry is done, plants are watered, bookwork is taken care of and now it's time to make some lunch and then attack the pile of catalogs and magazines and get 'em outta here! Minus the address labels, of course.

And, yes, I know it's gorgeous out, but after all the morning's activities my back is angry again and the knees are just going along for that ride.


And then, I finally found (or re-found) my yearly reminder to get a mammogram (dated August (*gasp*)), so I think it's time to make an appointment to get the girls squished. So far, so good, I say.

As another reminder, my friend here finished with her chemo in late July, is now done with the nuking and just needs to take Herceptin every three weeks until next April (one year from original diagnosis). Her hair is growing back, too. She's very nice.

Interestingly enough, some other woman who used to live here but moved to Boston lost her battle with breast cancer at the end of August after 7 years. What I remember of her was that she was the most hateful and angry person I'd met in a good long time. And, well, yes, she was a Rethuglican, thought 9/11 was *all* Bill Clinton's fault, used to work for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, was an attorney who never practiced, and really got on my nerves. It made me wonder whether her intense and non-stop anger may not only have triggered the disease, but really killed her in the end. Tremendous anger like that - whether expressed or internalized - can cause enough stress on the immune system (Google cortisol hormone) that the body fights back by turning on itself.

Ah, well. Life is what it is. Hoping at this point that the Lions do well, and not allow the Giants to humiliate them. That being said, their humiliating the Giants would please me no end. Will also watch the Skins tonight, but don't know for how long. After all, I'm not in the race for the tiara.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 17, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Well GWE, I can't agree with you about the Pats/Ravens game, but we can still be friends.
I won't really be watching it as #2 and SIL are coming for dinner after the game. SIL is going to climb up on our roof and cap the chimney as he has no fear of heights. He will be leaving for CR within a month so we will celebrate Christmas for him tonight. I'm making stuffed artichokes and chicken parmesan and a Waldorf salad. Apple crisp for dessert. This is the most cooking I've done in a while as we grilled all summer.

Posted by: badsneakers | October 17, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Neither am I, it seems.

Here is the WaPo review of the book on Beck by Dana Milbank:

He will be at the Newseum on November 6th to discuss it. No idea if Milbank will break down into tears.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 17, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I read the Beck piece last night. As a person that doesn't get cable and who therefore never sees his show and who doesn't listen to right-wing radio, the one thing that surprised me is how much he has cashed in on his tomfoolery.

He actually has an online university? Wow.

The article did point out the origin of most of the tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, and gave some examples of the phrases that section of society uses. I'll be able to recognize his converts more readily now, as I now know more key phrases in their language.

Posted by: baldinho | October 17, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

How to deal with academics:

Be sure to click on the red button to get the bonus panel.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 17, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh Carp!! #2 was going riding before coming here and she was stepped on by the horse. SIL called to say they were on their way to the hospital in an ambulance... How many bones are there in feet - a lot, right?

Posted by: badsneakers | October 17, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Too many, badsneakers. Sorry to hear about number 2, even if nothing's broken she will have major bruises and it'll hurt for a while. She'll get the damage report and painkillers-- maybe no driving for a little bit.

I hope the horse's name wasn't Tango.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 17, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh no badsneaks, hope nothing is broken, was it #2 that had the knee broken by the dog?

Posted by: dmd3 | October 17, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

*faxing healing karma to #2*

*faxing Scotch to Sneaks*

Posted by: ftb3 | October 17, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't know the answer to your question, talitha, but I have a clue of sorts: kissing is very rare in porn but not rare in erotica.

Posted by: Jumper1

Exactly, Jumper! A big kiss to you for that!

If I had a point to make with those folks who were debating "modern porn" vs " classic erotica" it was that!

I was afraid to even turn on the juice this morning, much less log into the boodle, for fear I'd be blasted out of all existence. I'm a doodlebug sometimes!

Shower the people you love with love show, them the way that you feel.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 17, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Those who love you will ignore those pesky commas.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 17, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about your daughter's mishap! I've had my foot stepped on a couple of times, but never had any damage. One time was when I was leading a horse for a therapeutic riding class, on a trail - I was trying to slow him down a bit as we were going through a narrow spot. I thought horses would try *not* to step on you, but in this case I was wrong. I thought he had ripped off a toe or two and expected to find a bloody mess when we got back to the stable. But it was just bruised. Hope she's ok!

Posted by: seasea1 | October 17, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Yep, she's the one whose knee got smashed by a dog. Maybe she needs to stay away from animals (fat chance!). I'm assuming it was the Percheron that stepped on her (big horse!). I'll keep you posted when I hear anything. So much for dinner, altho' I am cooking so I can bring it to her later. Plus it keeps me busy so I don't worry too much. Yeah Wilbrod, I hope it's not her right foot 'cause I know her and she'll just drive using her left!

Posted by: badsneakers | October 17, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Medical update. #2 just called, she has four broken ribs and a collapsed lung. She was walking the horse on the road, a motorcycle went by and spooked him, he bolted and knocked her down and trampled her. She's 'okay' but they're transporting her to a hospital in Boston because of the lung. She couldn't remember which hospital but I made her promise to call or have SIL call me later.

I wish it was just her foot!!!

Posted by: badsneakers | October 17, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh my, sneaks. Sounds like she's getting good care - hope she's doing ok soon. And I hope you can breathe again soon too.

Posted by: seasea1 | October 17, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

'sneaks... OH MY! I hope she has a very speedy recovery and isn't in too much pain.

Poor #2. Poor mom!

Posted by: -TBG- | October 17, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

*faxing even ***more*** Scotch to Sneaks*

Oh, dear.

I've been thrown by horses before, but never trampled by them. But, even so. It's risky, even when you're on the ground walking them.

I note that the Lions are down. Whatever. As Snuke might say: *shrug*

Posted by: ftb3 | October 17, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

badsneaks: my good wishes to #2 as well. sounds like she is in good hands now.

Posted by: baldinho | October 17, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

*HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS to sneaks, faxing much mojo to #2 and some karma payback to the motorcyclist* :-O

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 17, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Yikes! Now you can worry for real, Badsneakers :(.

The lung isn't good news, glad she's getting the best emergency care possible.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 17, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

By the way, new saints canonized.

Australia gets its first saint.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 17, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I join the boodle in sending healthy mending wishes to #2 and whatever calms her best to sneaks.

Unfortunately, it's going to hurt #2 to laugh for a while. About the only time laughter isn't the best medicine. She'll have to be limited to frequent smirking and the occasional titter.

Posted by: MsJS | October 17, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

But can they replace Bush in the running game, Wilbrod?

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 17, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

My healing mojo to sneaks' #2 - hope all will be well. *hugs*

Horse accident story of my own --- I was riding a quarterhorse, Buck, home through a thunderstorm (from my grandparents' home to our own barn - about a 5-mile trip) on a red dirt road. I was urging him faster than I should have and he took a 90-degree curve and fell sideways in the muddy road, with me trapped under him. I can still see the panic in his eyes as he scrambled to right himself - (he was a loving horse, protective of those who mounted him). He trampled my foot and knee, but I barely remember it. We got home and I unsaddled, brushed and got him fed. Only when I went in and undressed did I notice blood in my boot.

I never told my parents ... they would have been very angry with me for urging him through corners. I did tell my grandfather. His advice was ... "D., you should have just stayed here until the storm passed ... Buck's not a horse who likes thunder."

Posted by: talitha1 | October 17, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they can heal him, S'nuke.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 17, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh dear, badsneaks! Best mojo to #2 and you. Glad she got to the hospital soon!

Posted by: -pj- | October 17, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the good wishes everybody. I just pounded the carp out of some chicken breasts and pretended they were the motorcyclist - I feel better now.

I hadn't thought about the laughing thing, that will be hard for #2 as she loves to laugh - of course, who doesn't?

Posted by: badsneakers | October 17, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Parity in the NFL stinks... *ripping up my pick sheet once again*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 17, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Sneakers, backboodling and got the info of how serious the injuries are. My VERY best to her! (and my stupid story is, obviously, inappropriate)

Posted by: talitha1 | October 17, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh my, Sneaks, I'm so sorry to hear about #2. She'll be in my prayers, you too! I hope she has a quick recovery.

Posted by: slyness | October 17, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Scotty. There are times when doing picks that one wonders if it is possible to get a negative number. Oh, well.

Posted by: -pj- | October 17, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

badsneaks sending lots of mojo your way, a glorious October day, mojo floating freely in the air.

Wilbrod, the Brother Andre story has been a big story here, only in Canada would one of our saints be compared to a hockey player! (One of the titles of another article).

Posted by: dmd3 | October 17, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

That is a terrible mishap. I hope she recovers quickly.

A fellow bicyclist had a bad fall this spring, broke several ribs and a shoulder blade. He didn't have much fun all summer.

It's enough to make you swear to stay indoors all the time.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 17, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Any fan of 'classic erotica' is romanticizing something that doesn't exist. Victorian porn was every bit as patriarchal, violent, and demeaning of women as the modern stuff, if not more so. I'd provide links, but the last time I did that it didn't go over well.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 17, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Just finished today's paper, and did *not* read the 5 myths about Alaska's last governor (for about a minute and a half), other than to note that the author (if one could call him that) appears to be one of her big fans.

The WaPo is increasingly (if that's possible) becoming the bottom of the parrot cage. And only if the parrot is willing to **** on it.

Lions lost only by 8 points (28-20) to the Giants. That's not that bad. They're coming along, really.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 17, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

ftb: the latest New Yorker also had a piece on the guy behind Gawker. I think most media places are moving towards the Gawker method of online writing. It is all about the page views.

Posted by: baldinho | October 17, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

badsneakers, so sorry to hear about your daughter. I hope you hear some good news later and I'll be sending good thoughts from Somerville to Boston tonight for a quick, uncomplicated recovery.

Posted by: cowhand214 | October 17, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Yellojkt, amen on your point.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 17, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh Sneaks I'll bet you're having a hard time staying on the insides of your skin. May they give her good drugs intravenously, and may they keep her until she's ready to deal.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 17, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks cowhand. I'm just very thankful that we have so many good hospitals here and that the people at Falmouth Hospital had the sense to send her to Boston for treatment.

At least once every few months my New Yorker shows up a week late so I still haven't read the articles mentioned here. (Yeah, I could go online, but I'm stubborn that way.)

Posted by: badsneakers | October 17, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh badsneakers, that is just rotten. Be sure and keep us all up to date on what is going on.

Posted by: nellie4 | October 17, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I swear I just posted something here but it's not showing up. Anyway, thanks cowhand. I am grateful that we have such good hospitals here and that the people at Falmouth hospital had the sense to send her to Boston.

LiT, I just posted on my FB page wondering if #2 would have fewer accidents if she wasn't such an animal lover and within two minutes I had a reply from her on FB. She said 'maybe...' That was the weirdest feeling. She's obviously got her iPhone and is not feeling too bad ;-)

Posted by: badsneakers | October 17, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I know I haven't been around for several months, but today's column was just low hanging fruit I couldn't resist.

Mean girls, indeed.

Posted by: Mo_MoDo | October 17, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

mo_mo, I think I gather that you find it funny that MoDo calls someone ELSE a mean girl? I concur.

Posted by: baldinho | October 17, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Dunno where else this is on, but it's live right now. Bailey commanded me WATCH NOW so I am!

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 17, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

In Columbus Ohio. Thanks Jumper.

And Sneaks your #2 has such a strong spirit! I'm hoping her body responds to this accident with the same strength. And whatever you do, don't remind her of that time....

Posted by: DNA_Girl | October 17, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

DNA_Girl, I am in awe of your ability to find appropriate comics for every occasion. Thanks!

Posted by: badsneakers | October 17, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting goosebumps remembering Bill Clinton's rally in the Ohio State campus Oval. What an exciting evening for the students.

I get to vote for the first time in this election. I had been hoping to make nuanced choices based on candidates' positions on issues, but I really have no choice but to go for the not-crazy slate.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | October 17, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh Sneaks....I UNDERSTAND....the trick for days two through week 4 are lidocaine patches....get some....they make it possible to move and breath sufficiently that she will recover with less adhesions and diminished lung capacity from holding in the breathes....My pnemonia and pleural effusions/pleurisy of two weeks ago are related in part to scaring from my rib injury two summers ago....she is a young thing, and will be fine. Me? Well older, but am so glad I keep active....

Back to the salt mines....and yes, to the sweeties among you, my lungs are finally, finally healing. My fungus infection in the lungs is novel actually, and was this type:

Valley Fever: Coccidioidomycosis AKA "Desert rheumatism," "San Joaquin valley fever," and "Valley fever," is endemic in certain parts of Arizona, California, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Utah and Mexico, particularly the Sonora region.

My doc at first said that people in the East do not get this...I reminded him that I lived in the agricultural Central Valley of CA for four years....apparently, at one time, this spore was in the pantheon of pathogens under study for biological warfare....feeling so much better now

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 17, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

CqP, thanks, was just remembering and talking to "S" about your rib issue and wondering what the patch was - good to know. Just spoke with #2 again. Now we're up to five broken ribs and the lung was punctured. They are tubing it and she'll be in the hospital for a few days. She's in pain right now but I'm sure they'll give her more meds. Thank goodness the state of MA has mandatory health insurance - socialists that we are here!

Glad you are feeling better after your bout with pnemonia and pleural effusions/pleurisy (yikes!) I'll be sure to mention the tendency to #2 when she's feeling a bit better. She does have asthma so she needs to be extra careful now anyway I assume.

Posted by: badsneakers | October 17, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | October 17, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

As if grizzly bears weren't enough to worry about, now we have to watch out for mountain goats.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 17, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Oops, the link:

Posted by: yellojkt | October 17, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Sneaks, when I first met the lidocaine patch, I thought the inventor should be given whatever he wants. Whatever. He. Wants. I still feel that way. Broken ribs t'aint no picnic, but a collapsed lung flippin' hurts! I can't imagine what a punctured one feels like. Yes, lidocaine patches are her friend. Cut them to size (and interesting shapes!), but don't waste a single square inch. Those babies are gold. Best wishes to her for a speedy recovery.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 17, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Thanks LiT, I'll definitely forward the strong Boodle recommendations for the patch to #2.

Mudge, don't lose hope, the 'Skins seem to be battling and Vinetieri did miss that FG!!

Posted by: badsneakers | October 17, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Howdy. Much sympathy to badsneakers and #2. Please take care yourself, and then help her take care too. Lidocaine patches indeed. CqP, I am glad you are mending.

baldinho, I'm intrigued by your Galt Gulch contest. It has to be handled so the target participants don't think of it as a gummint project (since of course those are bad), but could be done, I think. It has very interesting possibilities.

And special thanks to TBG for the Astrophysics of Bedtime. Brilliant.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 17, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

badsneaks, so sorry about #2's injuries. Sending best healing thoughts her way.

Posted by: Manon1 | October 17, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Manon, how is your granddaughter doing?

Posted by: badsneakers | October 17, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Sneaks, oh, no! Sending good wishes to #2 and CqP too!

Just had a narrow escape. Who is the patron saint of near misses? Tomorrow is trash day and I had 2 bags to the left of the kitchen door, neither had food in them I thought. I leashed the dogs and opened the door. Emma immediately jumped at something hidden by the bags. I yanked them back in and shut the storm door. Too quick. Emma was in, Cutter left outside looking at me happily, his leash with collar attached inside the house. I opened the door and called him in. Breathed, went out to take the trash to the curb before taking them out again and saw a skunk, tail high, walking toward the other end of the house.

Too late to buy a lottery ticket tonight.

Posted by: -dbG- | October 17, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

badsneaks, my grandaughter is making slow progress. She is till bedridden, but she can read now. She breathes on her own and can eat solid food. She has the use of her right side and is beginning to have some movement now on her left side. It's going to just be slow.

Posted by: Manon1 | October 17, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Manon, that sounds like wonderful progress. Hope she continues to improve. It must be terribly stressful for you. Lots of mojo heading your way.

dbG, are there professional skunk catchers? If not, there should be!

Posted by: seasea1 | October 17, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh, thanks for the reminder, I need to renew my healing mojo flow for Manon's granddaughter while I gather together a batch to send to sneaksdottir #2. Sneaks and Manon, there's enough for you to take a little, too, to help with the hanging in there through the process. Best wishes for healing, and may it take not a second longer than necessary.

Posted by: -bia- | October 18, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

DNA_Girl does have a gift, no?

Seems to me that SinFest & xkcd have most of the great life lessons covered, and everything else can be found in Calvin & Hobbes and The Far Side. (Feel free to reapportion as necessary.)

Pre-1970 Peanuts and Pogo are occasionally useful also.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 18, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. Badsneakers, hope your daughter recovers real soon. It does sound real painful. Manon, glad to hear your grandaughter is recovering. And Cqp, you sound better already.

To the pool today, and the weather has turned really cool, but it's a heated pool. There's some soreness from all that moving around, but otherwise okay.

Three of my neighbors gone. One has died, one is in a nursing home, and the other is with her children. The landscape has really changed and it's a little sad. I miss them terribly.

Slyness, what you doing today? Will you rest today or is it busy? The week has started for me and for us all. What happened to the weekend? I think I missed it?

Have a better Monday, folks, and love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 18, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Cassandra! I hope you get new neighbors you like. It's going to be another busy week; at lunch I meet with Mr. T and the hotel staff to talk about the conference on fire stations that starts 2 weeks from today. Tomorrow I have my missions small group at my house. Wednesday is Bible study. So it goes. At least I'll have the house clean for tomorrow!

Enjoy the water! A heated pool, that's luxurious.

Sneaks, I'll be praying for #2.

Hope everyone has a great day!

Posted by: slyness | October 18, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

A new poll says that Americans think that federal workers aren't just overpaid. They're lazy too.

That oughta get a rise out of a few people nursing a late night football hangover.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Yello - I always tell people who criticize those with federal jobs to feel free to apply. Besides, the premise is silly. I was a contractor for 20 years. I was just as lazy and overpaid then.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | October 18, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra! *HUGSSSSSSSS*

*getting-risen-after-a-late-night-football/baseball-hangover-and-very-busy-with-international-guests Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 18, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all.

Yello, I don't know anybody who holds down a responsible job, be it private sector or government, who is lazy. I've heard most of my life that federal workers are overpaid, but I've heard this mostly from people like Eric Cantor's constituency, who live in the narrowminded, smallminded Richmond area who are green with envy for high paying jobs, but don't want to leave home to earn them. Some of his voters are hardworking farmers who love what they do, and I am thankful for them.

Many folks just like to take potshots at federal workers as a matter of course. However, they are happy that these same federal workers get off early enough in the evening to volunteer for all manner of community service, including coaching their own children in soccer, etc.

Disclaimer...I have never been a federal worker, nor has my husband.

The NASA scientist salary quoted doesn't seem excessive to me, not if the employee wants to live anywhere near her/his workplace and reduce carbon footprints.

DC has some flaws, mostly it's politians. I think maybe too many surveys around election time.

The City is beautiful.

Posted by: VintageLady | October 18, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

They say lazy and overpaid as if it's a bad thing. Pure pea-green jealousy if you ask me.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Big sigh,

Posted by: dmd3 | October 18, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Halal soup to sharia law. It's a slippery slope paved with chicken broth.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Am feeling kinda lazy and overpaid this morning, but I'm a contractor, so it doesn't count.

Ten question headlines above the fold this morning, not a record, but abaove average. One of them is "What happens when Pyongyang fails," which I know is a question on many people's minds this morning, both of whom actually know where Pyongyang is. And neither one of them cares. Pretty soon this virus will affect the obit staff, and we will have headlines such as "Is Barbara Billingsley dead at 94?" I kinda like the question that asks readers if they think there will be an election recount in 2010. This question kinda assumes there will be only one large, singular election, not a whole bunch of them (51 of them, counting states and DC, and not counting territories, etc., and not counting local ones). And the actual answer depends on whether any of them are close, since there's no point in re-counting landslides. Morons, I tell ya. Morons. But it's okay; the WaPo just wants to stir up comments and page views. It has nothing to do with reality as we know it.

Meanwhile, this hed is a bit disconcerting: "Bloggers scoop sleaze into mainstream." (On the other hand, I suppose I should be thankful it doesn't ask, "Do bloggers scoop sleaze into mainstream?" so I better just shut up before some bored Web headline writer decides to goose it up a notch.) The inside head is a little better: "Howard Kurtz finds there are news nuggets in the tough, often tacky blog world."

And then Kurtz announces he is leaving the Post, which is a sad, sad day. "After 29 years, I am leaving The Post to become Washington bureau chief of the Daily Beast Web site. This does not mean, as some overheated media speculation has it, that I have soured on the future of newspapers -- far from it. They will continue to play a vital role, even as the digital world, still in its adolescence, generates more excitement and more quality reporting and writing."

When I went to journalism school, "generating excitement" wasn't on the curriculum. We suffered under the antiquated, mid-20th-century notion that journalists were supposed to cover the news dispassionately and objectively.

I know, I know. Just soooooooooooo lame and sooooooooo yesterday.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm with ya, Mudge. It's a shame that we have to depend on the likes of National Enquirer to uncover the sleaze on John Edwards, to use a particularly tawdry example.

Posted by: slyness | October 18, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. Not everything is bad about this weekend's football. The Als won, barely, and America's self-appointed team stands at 1-4. The arrogant b@stards are quite unlikely to be Super Bowl XLV's home team in their own mega-billion temple to Jones' ego.

dmd, I'm so happy that this cononization is over. I like to listen to Radio-canada when I do stuff but this weekend they went all-Brother André all-the-time. There was a flipping mass in Latin on the radio at one point.
Fittingly, maybe, the Frère André's order was in the news a couple of weeks ago for a different reason. It was exposed that, like so many other orders, they aided and abetted pedophile priests and brothers for years rather than taking the side of their victims.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 18, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Wondering how $124k seems overpaid for someone who, presumably, has more than a GED or a BS.

Otoh, I suppose postal workers are included as gov employees and I suspect peoples' perceptions of them (mine included) bring down the curve.

Posted by: -dbG- | October 18, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

genetic engineering and line breeding may yet bring the American chestnut back as a menber is the east coast flora. keep in mind that this a century project. i remember hearing of old timers that would develop and test different salves to smear on C. dentata seedlings in an attempt to stave off the blight, Endothia parasitica. i used to stand on Hawksbill mt. and look over the valley, thinking how it would have looked when is was discovered by the Knights of the Golden Horseshoe.

Posted by: -jack- | October 18, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Gee, Shriek -- is that you gotta do to become a saint (or is that now Saint?)??? You know, get caught with your pants down, or enable others to shed theirs? And then (to continue the metaphor) cover it up? Low bar, indeed, and after all this time, not particularly noteworthy, as there are so many. . . . .

Feeling particularly snarky today. Do *not* wish to be forgiven, either.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 18, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Isn't that a great story, Jack? We can hope they will be successful, especially in raising forests to cover stripmining. It will be a centerpiece of environmental success.

From today's Charlotte Observer, information on what's causing honeybee colony collapse:

Imagine doing autopsies on honeybees...I suppose they would actually be necropsies.

Posted by: slyness | October 18, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, this just in --and definitely "on kit" in this particular college tour kit -- from Daniel de Vise's College, Inc,., column:

"Barefoot professor in Virginia preaches shoelessness

"Daniel Howell, a biology professor at Virginia's Liberty University, is on a "crusade to challenge America's cultural addiction to shoes", according to a feature in the Richmond Times-Dispatch that has hit the wires.

"Howell "likens the shoe to a cast that immobilizes an otherwise healthy foot and prevents it from functioning as nature intended," the article says.

I'm not sure if it needs mentioning, but Liberty University is the "Christian" school that Jerry Falwell founded. One must ask one's self what sort of biology is being taught by biology professors at Lib-U.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

There's nothing untoward suspected about Brother André, by all account he lived a simple and *saintly* life. His job was to be the doorman (Frère Portier) at the main House I believe. Others in the order? Not so much, including an upper management that preferred to ignore the harm caused by its chronic cases and just moved them around when "the problems" were surfacing. It's pretty disgusting behaviour to move a known pedophile from one school to another school.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 18, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Now here is a guy with a great library:

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

sneaks, so sorry your daughter fell victim to that bad combination of motorcycle and horse. But glad she has good medical care AND insurance.

Posted by: Raysmom | October 18, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I think the bat colonies are at war with the bee colonies, and neither is faring well.

Posted by: bobsewell | October 18, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Univisión is attracting more people than the other "major" networks. At least younger ones, during a period of uninteresting programming... Still, the Miami-based broadcaster is thriving.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 18, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Just got email from the Sestak campaign. He's been polling behind but now FOX is reporting it's neck and neck. The Cook Report and National Journal are calling it very, very close.

Going to send them more $ and snoopy dance.

Posted by: -dbG- | October 18, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Preaching shoelessness is easier to do in Virginia than in Edmonton, Alberta or Wasilla, Alaska for that matter.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 18, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, your 10:10. What? Where'd this man get his degree? A love of shoes...nice not a cultural addiction. It's an obsession. Addiction would be if I could't leave the house without a nice pair of Stewart Weitzman's cradling my feet. Obsession is having a funeral for a pair of Pradas with torn heels and then building a nice little cairn on top. Addiction is borrowing money from DC's college fund to buy a cute pair of Jimmy Choos. Obsession is lighting a candle before a homemade shrine to Christian Louboutin.


Posted by: LostInThought | October 18, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like our house, yello. Just when we finally get another set of shelves to house the books on the floor, we start piling up again. Dr G keeps moving bookshelves of books from one new office to another (he's getting ready to change jobs again, which means 10 more boxes of books are in the garage waiting for his new place of employ).

I love love this line from the article you pointed out...

"I hate all the fetishistic twaddle about books promoted by the chain stores and the book clubs, which make books seem as cozy and unthreatening as teacups, instead of the often disputatious and sometimes frightening things they are."

Posted by: -TBG- | October 18, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, LiT, for putting shoes in the proper perspective.

Posted by: slyness | October 18, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Manon, I'm happy to hear that your granddaughter is improving and sending all my good thoughts to her.

LiT, very good distinctions there. I have foot envy, in that I wish my feet didn't complain every time I wear heels. I would love to have a shoe obsession! Ah well...

#2 is resting uncomfortably but she's grateful it wasn't worse. She thanks you all for your good wishes.

Posted by: badsneakers | October 18, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Dr. Howell has a PhD in biochemistry from Virginia Tech and has taught at McGill and Duke.

I know a couple of people on the 'shoeless' trend. Both wear these rubberized glove-like things on the feet which provide a modicum of protection against dirt and sharp objects. One is my anthropology professor friend who sees this as being closer to our simian roots and the other is the hippie-dippie English teacher I toured Europe with this summer. She looked kinda odd wandering through castles and museums like some had dipped her feet in teal latex.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

These are no match for a well-turned FMP or biker boots:

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

For that price, Yello, I can buy an excellent pair of real shoes. I think I'll do that, instead of purchasing the odd looking ten toes thing.

dbG, the quilt raffle was yesterday and we didn't win. ;( Oh well, it's for a good cause.

Posted by: slyness | October 18, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Alas, the only picture I could find of my traveling companion's feet was a day she was wearing sandals. I would make a very bad foot fetishist.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

YJ, Not exactly what one would choose to wear with a Frank Lyman dress. Looks more like something Favre would wear while texting.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 18, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

According to wiki, shoes have been around for 10000 years, which is not really surprising. Stilettos on the other hand are a different matter.

Posted by: gmbka | October 18, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I would pay some serious money to watch LiT go, er, well...toe-to-toe, so to speak... with Dr. Howell on the issue of shoelessness. LiT, is, of course, as you all know, the three-time defending world champion of the Manolo Blahnik Wide World of Mary Janes Grand Slam of High Heels. Frankly, I don't thing Howell lasts as long as Sonny Liston in this one.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I really don't have very strong feelings one way or the other about shoelessness or barefootedness (in the proper location). However, I think the thing that really irked me most about Howell's theory is his use of saying that "America" was addicted to shoes, as though this was some peculiarly American bad habit that especially afflicted the people of the U.S., whereas of course the rest of the world didn't also share this alleged addiction. In other words, why are "we" (beg pardon, Canuckis) being singled out for our terrible behavior, when in fact, as gmbka points out, humankind as being wearing shows for 10,000 years or so, which approximately 9,800 years, more or less, longer than the U.S. has existed. Why doesn't he assert that "everyone" is addicted to shows? Why doesn't he attempt to link it to climate? Does he think Eskimos are "addicted" too? Doesn't he concede that if you are born and raised on Tahihit that going barefoot might be a wee tad easier than if you were raised in, say, Siberia? What is this "Americans are addicted" crap? It's like saying Americans are addicted to food, or like to listen to music. Well...yes. Point?

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Took a tour of Harvard about two weeks ago...not the parent and prospective student type of tour, but one for tourists, who, on that last tour of the day on that particular Sunday, Oct. 3, included individuals from a number of continents.

Josef and Adam were the tour guides. No charge for the walk-about. Adam never attended Harvard but his brother graduated from the venerable institution just a few years ago, and started up the tour company. Money must come from ad sales, ads printed on the brochure which was handed out to all who participated.

Interesingly, Adam had majored in theater arts at another Northestern college--which, in sum total made him a good tour guide--hammy, great voice projection, could walk backward without bumping into trees and students. Adam's "specialty" was the history of the college and history in general. But when Adam stated that the Pilgrims arrived in 1630, well, I couldn't let that one go without correcting him. And since I already knew the storyy of Widener and the Titantic, I guess I uttered a spoiler.

The 10 percent shopping discount in the Student Co-op at tour's end made the tour that much sweeter.

Yesterday was a very long travel day home after five weeks in New England. I bear a great Thanksgiving story that I might share along about Turkey Time. Brain-dead this morning. Seven libraries, five states, two vacations--two different traveling companions at two different times, two working periods, and one very tired old lady--plus a huge number of impressions and scads of stories.

Posted by: laloomis | October 18, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, there wouldn't be any prep required. I've been in training for decades.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 18, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

A special place for LiT.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 18, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Do think the Old Brattle Bookstore on West Street near the Boston Commons did have a book on its shelves about the shoe industry in old Massachusetts. It tempted me but other books about Massachusetts temtped me more.

Posted by: laloomis | October 18, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Were Josef and/or Adam wearing shoes?

Posted by: bobsewell | October 18, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I've always had a difficult time keeping shoes on my feet. I do manage to avoid entering labs without shoes, but just barely. And about once every couple weeks I have to run around campus to retrieve shoes left at a meeting or class in another building.
My mother gave up on me a long time ago.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | October 18, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Well, exactly, LiT. It'd be such an unfair competition I think the ref would just have to stop it before it got really ugly.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

DNA_Girl, I never liked wearing shoes in the house, but after having broken baby toes number times by stubbing on furniture, I tend to wear sandals inside now.

I remember wearing heels (waaaaaaaaay back in the last century), but my knees never liked them much. It's just as well, I suppose. I simply cannot fathom someone willingly wearing 3" or 4" or above heels. Would be nice if the men who design them (typically men) would wear them on a daily basis. . . .

Posted by: ftb3 | October 18, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

dmd....WOW!!! And I thought Van Gogh's "A Pair of Shoes" spoke to me. Next time I'm anywhere near Toronto I will definitely find my way there. How cool! And there's even a newsletter called Footnotes!

Posted by: LostInThought | October 18, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Weird. I got a "Moveable Type" error on my 12:16, above. You can all see how controversial it was. Yet it also posted anyway. Anybody know why the Moveable Type thing does that for no reason?

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

The guy at Liberty University isn't going to believe humankind has been wearing shoes for 10,000 since he likely think the earth was formed 6,000 years ago.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 18, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I have a pair of those Vibram five-toe shoe-like things, intended for the beach at a time when I had severe problems with a recurring skin crack and needed some kind of protection. They're nice, but when a bit of sand got inside, I suffered a bad sandpapering at the sandy spot. Since then, the feet have become accustomed to the beach.

My feet are somewhat intolerant of socks with a lot of elastic, to socks generally, and increasingly to shoes other than fairly loose-fitting sneakers. So the notion of minimalist shoes is attractive, at least in theory.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 18, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I think faculty at Liberty are hired on condition that they will never, ever support evolution. The place seems to have a Center for Creation Studies rather than a geology department, which is just as well--I don't think oil companies hire young-earth geologists. By contrast, the quite elite evangelical Wheaton College has evolution and a serious geology department.

Here's the barefoot professor's info:

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 18, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Excellent point, TBG.

Speaking of nutjobs, Meghan McCain has come out and said that Christine O'Donnell is a "nut job."
(Thompson gets McCain's age wrong; she's 26, not 16.)

The Telegraph story gets her age right:

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

For folks whose feet hurt ALL THE TIME, they look like anything BUT minimalist. Ewww.... the idea of something covering every part of my foot makes me cringe. I can't tell you the last time I wore socks.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 18, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Here is a link to Liberty's Center for Creation Studies:

From that page:

"The primary educational activity of the Center is the presentation of CRST 290, History of Life. This course is required of all Liberty students and is designed to provide a thorough understanding of the creation-evolution controversy."

You can minor in creation studies. One of the professors of geology specializes in Flood Geology and the distribution of fossils.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

His CV says he also teaches human anatomy and phsiology. I wonder how they manage to describe and discuss the naughty bits at Liberty U.

In fairness to this guy, the story makes him out to be more of a crackpot than his CV suggests. On his CV, he sounds reasonably serious and academic: "He currently studies the effects of shoes on foot anatomy and the human gait," which sounds reasonable.

Although seven of the nine publication references neglect to actually mention the title of the publications, in contravention of the APA Publications Manual for such things. (A topic upon which I am sadly well-versed, tho' I rue the day.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

My wife is pushing back on the end of open-toe shoe season as long as possible. She too hates socks.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The live discussion with Matthew Continetti, who wrote the ridiculous 5 Myths About Sarah Palin, has his photograph. He looks to ne approximately 14 years old. See for yourself:

I realize I am an ancient old foggy, but I can't take seriously political discourse from someone who looks like an earnest 8th grader.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

It's universal that aversion to socks yello. We've had frost couple of times, morning tenps hovers around 5C/40C yet the number of woman in shoes vs sandals/flip flops has barely started to rise. It bsically goes from flip-flops to Huggs or other leather boots. Weird.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 18, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Here is the question I submitted which I doubt they will use:

Has Sarah Palin ever read book, including the ones she has written? If so, who was the illustrator?

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I bet he also refuses to answer my question about whether he is going to run for class office as a junior.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh, yello, you just KNOW he is.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I used to run barefoot in Gainesville. I agree completely with the barefoot runners. Steve Martin had a point with his "Cruel Shoes" observation. Like many, I didn't like dirty feet, though. I had split-hide moccasins with no soles, just the soft leather, for a while. They wear too fast. Sometimes right before tossing out a pair of socks I'd decide to wear them for a run and THEN toss them. Needless to say, I got far too much unwanted advice and attention. Remember this was in '75 - '77. But I had read Marathon Man. I knew about Nurmi. (although Goldman may have been thinking of Abebe Bikila, who replaces Nurmi in the movie.) Every so often I'd end up running in the same direction as some other runner. Me: cut off jeans, barefoot. Them: expensive running shoes and fancy runnin' duds. I passed them every time.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 18, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Matthew Continetti is 29 and a graduate of Columbia, which technically qualifies him as a Snot-Nosed Kid. Oddly, the link to his Weekly Standard bio results in an error message stating "The requested page could not be found."

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Making us wonder just *what* kinds of fantasies he has about Sarah -- after all, he *is* in middle school.


Posted by: ftb3 | October 18, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Jeez. Former Chargers lineback Junior Seau was arrested around midnight on a charge of spousal abuse against his girlfriend. When he was released around 3:30 a.m., he went and drove his car (and himself) off a cliff. He's in the hospital, condition unknown.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Now reporting he received only cuts and bruises.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, if the title of the book is "The Persecution of Sarah Palin: How the Elite Media Tried to Bring Down a Rising Star" I wonder if Continetti would argue that her star is still ascendant. This is not intended to be a snarky question but rather a serious one.

Another might be (and it might not be a good question for someone Continetti's age (though I'm a couple years younger)) whether we would still find Governor Palin's star in the firmament at all in a media age that was less fragmented.

I suppose I could just read the Q&A session . . .

Posted by: cowhand214 | October 18, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't bother, cowhand. Yes, he thinks her star is still rising, and may in fact turn out to be the supernova of all supernovas, whose brightness and general wonderfulness eclipses any known previous astronomical event. In his view she has virtues and talents previously unhinted at.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, I don't recall spotting you during your Gainesville barefoot phase. At the time, I was working in swamps and pinelands, which was not to be done barefoot, nor even wearing shorts (polyester was great for deflecting saw palmettos. I once got respect from a bunch of bear hunters by showing up in well-palmettoed pants).

Later on, I continued wearing boots in case of things like prickly pears, but it became evident that the heavy hiking boot stuff was overrated for higher-altitude hiking. Sneakers, much better.
Flood geology puzzles me. There's nowhere near enough time to turn glop from Noah's Flood into sedimentary rock, then cut a Grand Canyon through it. (The Canyon is pretty convincingly 20 million years old)

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 18, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Think about it, Dave. If you think the world is 6,000 years old, you're going to discount and/or explain away a whole bunch of evidence. All of it, as a matter of fact.

Posted by: slyness | October 18, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

FWI, someone raised the Continetti question in Raju Narisetti's chat. To save you the tedium of wading through his chat, I report the Q & A here (No, it isn't my question. But could be.):

"Mr. Narisetti:

"In a Post online chat a few months ago, I told outgoing Post media critic Howard Kurtz that the Post appears determined to have the words "Sarah Palin" appear on the home page as many times as possible, given that she excites such fervor among those who adore her and those who despise her that her name generates click throughs, which generate ad revenues.

Kurtz, to his credit, admitted my contention had some merit.

But there is a limit.

The piece published in Outlook this weekend, "Five Myths About Sarah Palin" was written by her biographer, who presumably is not a model of journalistic neutrality, and who is employed by Bill Kristol, the first member of the journalistic establishment to begin shilling for Palin in 2008.

I have to ask myself, is there a limit to how the Post will pander for clickthroughs? A reader since 1966, I am beginning to think not.

– October 18, 2010 12:24 PM

A.Raju Narisetti writes:

"The Five Myths About..series is one of our most popular weekend reads in print and online and has been an ongoing feature for a while. Sometimes it is about a topic (deficits) or a person (sarah palin, this week) or a company/service (Facebook). The editors of Outlook pick people who they think are best able to deal with the myths out there. As for seeing Sarah Palin all the time on our web site, I suspect it is a function of midterm elections, her popularity (or lack of) and sometimes because of her daughter's dancing. Sarah Palin is in the news a lot, whether we like it or not."


Not his response: "The editors of Outlook pick people who they think are best able to deal with the myths out there." Are you telling me the OPutlook editors thought Continetti was the one person "best able"?? And after reading his submission, they swtill went ahead an published it?

Note also that "she's in the news a lot" is a tautology, a circular argument. The reason she's in the news a lot is because people PUT her in the news a lot, whether she deserves it (meaning, whether the item is newsworthy) or not. In other words, back to the original accusation of pandering: yes, they put her name out there because it draws hits. She's newsworthy because she's newsworthy: a tautology. Like Paris Hilton and Kate and Whatshisname.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I nominate Slyness' 2.58 for comment of the week.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | October 18, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

You got it completely backwards. God made the sedimentary rock with the earth complete with the decoy faith-testing dinosaur bones and then the flood waters carved the canyon through it. 40 days would be about the right amount of time to do it. Verdict first, evidence later.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Dave, you are missing the point. God MADE the Grand Canyon look like it was 20 million years old, that's all. But He built it overnight. Yes, He's THAT good with scenery, power tools and earth-moving equipment.) Planted fossils in it, and everything. Weathered it. Stratified the layers, seeded them with variable carbon-14 and other trace elements against the day when carbon-dating would be discovered. A really convincing piece of work-- after all, it clearly fooled you and many other science types.

Now, why God went to all this trouble to produce and distribute all this misleading and clearly false "evidence" in order to fool everybody is a question for which I can find no answer. I assume it has to do with a whimsical and perverse sense of humor, but that is ultimately Unknowable.

But surely you gotta admit, making something that big *look* 20 million years old when it isn't is really cool. I guess there must have been some point to such a feat.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Great Sinfest, DNA_Girl! I bow to Mudge's 3:24 for creativity.

Posted by: slyness | October 18, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

My Grand Canyon is bigger than your Grand Canyon?

Posted by: DNA_Girl | October 18, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Well maybe they could explain away the youthful grand canyon, but 540 million year old mountains that is a little harder :-)

Posted by: dmd3 | October 18, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

dmd, where do you think He put the debris from the Grand Canyon?

I rest my case.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 18, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I like the argument that the world was created consistent with the physical laws that currently govern it in the state that it actually is in, complete with fabricated memories for whoever and whatever supposedly was born before the actual creation date. Thus, the world could have been created last Tuesday, but internal consistency requires that it all be made as if it had a creation date some 13.6 billion years in the past. Since the universe is all self-consistent, anyway, we might as well proceed as if the universe is 13.6 billion years old -- after all, it is the work of G-d, and our goal is to read what he has to say to us, right? -- while remaining comfortably smug in our knowledge that it was all created last Tuesday (possibly as late as Wednesday).

Or, it could have been constructed some 10 million years ago by a super-advanced alien technological civilization on behalf of little white mice, as the physical representation of a gigantic quantum-computing device. Remember, the question is "what do you get if you multiply six by nine?"

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 18, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: MoftheMountain | October 18, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I guess my punishment for being a godless heathen was to have a root canal scheduled for Thursday.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | October 18, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else remember the National Lampoon issue back in the mid '70s with the article about how the Grand Canyon was built by Chinese immigrants?

Posted by: -TBG- | October 18, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Chinese immigrants who had just finished the Transcontinental Railroad? A canyon seems pretty simple compared to tunneling through the Sierra. Especially if aided by pent-up water from somewhere.

In the geology department, I like that Wyoming's Bighorn Basin supplies bentonite to the world. It's a sort of clay, the result of volcanic ash falling into shallow salt water, or something similar. It's also God's gift to oil drillers--excellent drilling mud. Must be a matter of divine foresight.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 18, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

To answer bobsewell's 12:04:

Yes, both Josef and Adam were wearing shoes. Josef's mom hails from the area near Tyler, Texas, and Adam hails from Connecticut.

Since Adam comes from Connecticut, that would make him Adam Schofield-Bodt, if one puts two and two together from the information contained in first article, link below. The resemblance between the Schofield-Bodt brothers is quite obvious. And a demonstration of the primal scream as well as a group primal scream were part of the tour.

Interesting that these two young entrepreneurs, Jones and Schofield-Bodt, double-07s, were treading on the tour territory formerly occupied by the Crimson Key Society.

And yes, Bob, still no Hoar house on Harvard's campus.

Posted by: laloomis | October 18, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

And where would makeup be without Wyoming's bentonite? Incredible that women smear the same ingredient on their faces that others use to fight fires...

Posted by: laloomis | October 18, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Today's history lesson:

I still have the mental image of the Man in Joel's basement jumping up and down for joy at the arrival of the French fleet, from Barbara Tuchman's The First Salute. Now we know who (what) was really responsible for the British defeat.

Posted by: slyness | October 18, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I've seen those "foot gloves." They look like they'd chafe between the toes a LOT.

I enjoy bare feet in the summer, but not to the point of abandoning shoes in temperatures likely to turn my feet blue or worse.

Even Smurfs wore white boots when they otherwise went blue from the cold.

Also, this study claims babyshoes are 40K-plus years old, which I suppose translates into creationist time as around when Adam's grandkids were born.

The oldest known sandals-- 7000 BCE, in Oregon. Must have been an old mall there.

LiT is a shoo-in winner for that toe-to-toe.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 18, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Makeup ingredients through the ages: arsenic, lead, antimony, iodine, tin oxide, ochre, oxidized copper, enchanter's nightshade, soot (lampblack), crushed carmine beetles, seaweed, ants, fish scales, mulberries,beet juice, strawberries, beeswax, deer tallow, castor oil.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | October 18, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The story on mosquitos vs. Cornwallis is impressive. Everything about Yorktown was just right--the French showed up, Washington was persuaded to move in, and the British arrived too late. That sort of luck is rare.

Maybe Providence arranged things.

Here's the word on nice old leather shoes in Armenia:

I recall anthropologist Napoleon Chagnon commenting in his book "The Fierce People" that the Yanomamö went barefoot, and often had foot problems as a result.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 18, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Also thinking of bare feet, when I lived near Reed College, the most conspicuous student there was a tall guy who often wore a sarong and went barefoot, even on wet days in January.

For some reason, Portland was a city where spitting on the sidewalk was normal behavior, at least near bus stops.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 18, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Was it the Chinese that built the transcontinental railroad? I thought it was the Mexicans. Funny, I have the hardest time telling those two apart, particularly when I am trying to keep all the terrorists from coming in from Canada. I meant Canada, of course, when I showed those Asians in my campaign ad. Or were they Canadians? I just can't remember.

Posted by: baldinho | October 18, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I would bet a good chunk of cash that those foot problems were cysts, and scarring from infections and abrasions, not simple orthopedic problems.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 18, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

There were certainly Chinese labourers that built the CPR transcontinental line, though my impression is that most of them were employed west of Ontario/Manitoba border. I may well be wrong on that. They were treated shamefully at the time, and even more shamefully after the railway's completion.

Posted by: Yoki | October 18, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Good one baldinho. All those illegals look alike, no matter where they 'say' they are from ;-)

I just bought new socks because that's my primary footwear in the house and I had worn them all out. In summer of course I'm just barefoot as much as possible but this time of year my feet get cold. As I said this morning, I do envy women who can wear high heels without pain, the shoes are so pretty. Going around shoeless in day to day life however, is just crazy, dirt, germs, sharp objects, splinters, hot or freezing pavement, etc. would be dangerous to our tender tootsies.

Posted by: badsneakers | October 18, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

No the treatment of the Chinese during the building of the railway was not good, or after the completion of the railroad for that matter.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 18, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

badsneaks, how is #2? The injuries haven't cut back her IPhone usage, I hope? She sounds like a trooper.

My father ran a low-tech genealogy web site for our family for about 10 years. He recently gave it up, as nobody was really updating information. They were all on facebook. Sadly, he and most of my older relatives have now made the switch. My 93-yr old Nana is now on Facebook.

I alas, am not and will not be. No IPhone or smart phone either.

A guy has to have his standards.

Posted by: baldinho | October 18, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you baldinho! I am proud to say that I have a stupid phone, and shall not upgrade any time soon. No facebook, either. I am on LinkedIn, but don't use it that much.

*more karma to #2, and to Manon's granddaughter (very glad she's improving)*

Toodley boodley till the morrow.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 18, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Nevada tea partier Sharon Angle can't tell Hispanics from Asians.

Good thing she wasn't in charge of hiring for that Grand Canyon excavation project.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 18, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I wish I had standards. In their stead, I have poverty. Without it, I'd have an iPhone and iPad (I'm already on Facebook and blog and have a MacBook and an iPod Touch). I'd most likely line up at 03:00 when new releases are available at the Apple Store.

I do not, however, think I'd squeal like a teenaged girl if I met Steve Jobs. This restraint becomes me.

Posted by: Yoki | October 18, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

As I've said before horses are an excellent source of low fat protein. As pets, they $uck. The witches disagree on that point but no later than 3 weeks ago I was called upon to bring back Witch no.1 and her cousin from the horse barn. Cousin has been thrown off a horse that was frightened by some twigs or something, she had a minor concussion and couln't drive home anymore. I'm not going to repeat the number of times experienced horse persons I know were trampled, crushed, kicked or stamped upon by the stupid beasts. ( I saw a high kick missing an old ladie's head by that much *holding thumb and index very close*). But then again, they are very tasty.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 18, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

"a horse that was frightened by some twigs or something"


Posted by: -TBG- | October 18, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Just think if Facebook took over the boodle. We all would be deluged for ads selling WalMart items, Victorian porn and coupons for the local Chinese/Mexican restaurants.

Posted by: baldinho | October 18, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse


When I was worked as a wrangler/riding teacher at a camp for teenagers in the foothills of Alberta, I used to tell the kids that "a horse can be a sweet creature. But they are so big, and so dumb, that they can kill you without even noticing." That was my introduction to my first lesson on Barn Safety and Entering a Stall.

Posted by: Yoki | October 18, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Question for the boodle, all day I have been avoiding the stories of Col. Russell Williams, who has pleaded guilty to 88 charges. Just went to check the front page of The Star to see what happened locally today, first picture I saw was the Col. in lingerie, something that would be unpleasant at the best of times, under the circumstances I found it very disturbing - surprisingly so. Very relevant to events going on - my question when is publishing such a photo over the line?

I won't post links there are warning on the story, but would appreciate your thoughts.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 18, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

baldhino... we used to have Google ads below the boodle. They were a cause for much discussion... and we had fun trying to manipulate them. I hadn't even noticed they were gone until just now.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 18, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

dmd, I began to look at the live-blogging from two Globe reporters in the court-room, but found the details to be so horrific, sordid, perverted, humiliating to his victims and wife, all their families, and even just us citizens... simply, a vision of hell on earth, that I didn't last 5 minutes. Some things we don't need to explore, we only need to know the outcome. If I could give all of us one piece of advice, it would be to let the pros do their work and wait for news of the sentence in the interests of justice.

Our lives and sense of justice will not be the richer or happier for any of it.

I must and will read stories reporting the summary of days, but I really don't think it does me or anyone good to be immersed in such pathology.

Posted by: Yoki | October 18, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and clearly any wide-circulation paper that publishes any image from his cache has crossed the line from responsible reporting to tabloid-sensationalism.

Posted by: Yoki | October 18, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Agree Yoki, which is why the photo bothered me, the paper did place a warning on the stories, so if you clicked the headline at least you were warned but the picture is on the home page. I suspect more for page views/sell papers than really adding to the story, free press.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 18, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Would Facebookboodle think one of our visitors wanted to read advertisements about NOM, the rich and ore?

Posted by: baldinho | October 18, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

If he is pleading guilty, why is there a public trial?

Posted by: -TBG- | October 18, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Baldinho, I haven't heard from #2 since this morning but I notice that she posted on FB sometime during the day. I know she'll call me when she feels like talking so I don't bother her as I know how draining pain meds and the whole hospital experience can be. She just got the iPhone as her old phone died. It takes incredible photos by the way. She is the perfect person to have such a thing as she has no land line and is always out somewhere doing something and needing information. She is very tenacious and usually very upbeat.

I joined FB because of her. When she is in CR it is a great way to message back and forth without cost. And yes Yoki, horses have no idea of the harm they can do. A rear hoof to the right side of the chest did some major harm! But as #2 said, it coulda been worse!

Posted by: badsneakers | October 18, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I'll give him this; he pled guilty to all charges before there could be a trial, mostly to save himself the exposure, but also to spare the families and victims a viewing of the videos he took during the violations, which would most certainly have been entered into evidence.

So it is not a trial, but a sentencing hearing. It is necessary that the evidence be laid-out for the jury (today and tomorrow) and then victim-impact statements will be heard. Most of the evidence presented today was narrative from his nine-hour confession that was recorded textually, not visual, just enough visual to persuade the jury and judge that these were *his* files and trophies, not manufactured by the prosecution.

Not ideal, but better than secret courts.

Posted by: Yoki | October 18, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Boodle, I didn't mean to kill you.

Posted by: Yoki | October 18, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

The good colonel was a seriously sick bastard, an aberration really. Not exactly a fine model for our impressionable youth, but yet a good lesson in real life risk-you-should-not-takee. Priests and army officers are way overrated as moral standards but this guy takes the tiara.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 18, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I have an idea I do NOT want to know anything about this Russell person, or what he did. Sounds horrific.

Posted by: slyness | October 18, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

New Yorker has a story on Harry Reid with a bit thrown in on the much less interesting Sharon Angle.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 18, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Angle may lose. Don't you think that if the GOP had a run-of-the-mill semi-competent person they would be way ahead? Reid has NO personality whatsoever.

She may be nice. I don't know her at all. I only know what I have seen with my own two eyes. If she is what it takes to mobilize a large swath of people to your cause, you have to wonder about your cause.

Posted by: baldinho | October 18, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Wait until you guys read this terrific Frank Schaeffer piece that ran in the Miami Herald:

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | October 18, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Good evening, all.

Rumors of my demise are greatly exaggerated, though not entirely unwarranted.

Had an argument 20 some-odd years ago with some folks arguing for creationism. When I posed those questions about the fossils, the geographic features and geologic strata, the entire world looking like it's 4 billion years old and the universe looking like it's 14 Billion, they said that's because He wanted it that way.

Ineffability goes both ways, apparently.

Mudge, I know you weather scale model ships to look more realistic, stains and wrinkles to indicate that sails have been used, aircraft carrier decks to show marks from landings, battleships with waterline marks, rust, and soot from the use of deck guns.

Who's to say that the world and the 'verse aren't some scale model or diorama (emphasis on "Dio," I guess...) representing some Battle of Good and Evil and we being tin soldiers.

I suppose I could aspire to be a useless subroutine or some comment text in the Hitchhiker's Guide Earth program...


Posted by: -bc- | October 18, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

God distressed the earth, the original faux finisher?

Posted by: dmd3 | October 18, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

TBG, I thought you didn't wear socks beause you'd turned them all into monkeys. Live and learn!

Posted by: -dbG- | October 18, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Ha, dbG! Which reminds me of this:
(love that commercial, but I could not have told you what they were selling)

When I was a college freshman/sophomore in DC, I went barefoot. Not sure why - must have been a hippie influence. I remember my feet being tough, dirty - surely not very attractive. Now in the Pacific NW, I wear socks all the time (not in bed, cannot wear socks when I sleep). The soles of my feet are very sensitive. And there's nothing like a handknit sock for comfort, although I tend to wear them around the house, not with shoes.

Posted by: seasea1 | October 18, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

'Way off-topic, but perhaps a typical tale of charisma not being hereditary: the Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, California has filed for bankruptcy.

Some churches survive mega-pastors, but perhaps mega-founding-pastors work against long institutional life.

Then again, relatively small things can cause congregations to divide or decline. I was once a member of a church with a nice organ whose cost had been far higher than the dollars spent on it.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 18, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Very iiinteresting, all...

RichNomore would like to thank you for seeing him through his adolecent-blog stage and into probity-blog stage...

...entering a vitual high school from 'out of town' can be exciting and disturbing, and y'all helped me through...

...entering college soon and hope to publish a thesis one day, will always remember the engaging and honest manner in which I was recieved here...

Peace and Prosperity Everyone

|: )

Posted by: SpendNomore | October 18, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

A large online seller of running shoes and such is selling socks developed for diabetics, claiming they happen to be perfect for running. Possibly right. There's lots of different socks out there.

I was long fond of wool athletic socks, which were always hard to find. I recall a bonanza at the shopping mall in Eureka, California. Still comfortable, due to the lack of elastic.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | October 18, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

That is rather a sweet acknowledgement of the Boodle's collective ability to educate and socialise (something, as you say, that parents do with small their short-statured beloveds) Huns. Welcome back in peace, love, and well-written, non-defensive posts, SpendNomore. Join the real conversation and show us your true self.

In spite of this welcome, I shall be first to bite your head off like a Carribbean prawn if you go all mad upper-caps on us ever again with weird tea talking-points.

If you don't, open arms.

Posted by: Yoki | October 18, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

long day. stick this in your pipe and smoke it.

Posted by: -jack- | October 18, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Yoki | October 18, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

there will always be a lively debate as to whom was the better drummer. bill the drummer, imo is right up there, along with charlie watts, keith moon, and bonzo.

my mom was a krupa fan. i remember buddy rich on tv, and may have even watched this particular show, as i recall that krupa passed away in the 70's. i was all of 9 when this episode aired.

Posted by: -jack- | October 18, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

there will always be a lively debate as to whom was the better drummer. bill the drummer, imo is right up there, along with charlie watts, keith moon, and bonzo.

my mom was a krupa fan. i remember buddy rich on tv, and may have even watched this particular show, as i recall that krupa passed away in the 70's. i was all of 9 when this episode aired.


Posted by: -jack- | October 19, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

whoops. should have refreshed. the double post was an afterthought.

Posted by: -jack- | October 19, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

I must go with Keith Moon, only because he was, you know, breathing, while I was. The others were jazz/croon people, and I hate that genre.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Ginger Baker:

He says so himself:

Posted by: seasea1 | October 19, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Now I know that some people don't love the books they own, nor own the books they love.

Posted by: Yoki | October 19, 2010 3:02 AM | Report abuse

Yellojkt's Rusty Lance Internet Service

Dragon's slain and trolls tamed.
Or your riches back.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 19, 2010 5:49 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. It's not a morning to go barefoot in the park. Everything's covered with a shiny coat of frost.
One of the many failings of France as a colonial power in America was this desire to have the colonies as a captive customer. The French shoe lobby got the Crown to forbid the organized manufacture of shoes in the colonies. As imports were too expensive people resorted to making their own shoes. These shoes ("souliers de beu") were very similar to the shoes found on the feet of 5000 year old Ötzi the Iceman.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 19, 2010 6:16 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all.

Jack, thanks for the memories and they played their drums in coat and tie, no sweaty tee shirts for them. Sammy Davis, Jr. looks good, too.

Saw on the news last night that the french really, really don't want their retirement age raised from 60 to 62 years old. Vote to come this week.....

Posted by: VintageLady | October 19, 2010 6:33 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. Can anyone tell me what I can do to prevent cramping while in the pool? They're just so painful, and yesterday I had one before I got out of the pool. Scary!

Have a lovely day, folks, and love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 19, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

For leg cramps, eat bananas, drink v-8 juice, even drink tonic water, all supposed to have goodly amounts of potassium, so say my biker family men. Good morning, Casandra.

Posted by: VintageLady | October 19, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

VL - and pickle brine!

Posted by: russianthistle | October 19, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Ms. Angle strikes again,

Posted by: dmd3 | October 19, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Good morning all.

One shows up, and the other does a swirl of the cape and a tip of the hat with just a hint of flourish while wistfully waving adieu, and I think

They're cousins
Identical cousins
You'll find
they laugh alike
they walk alike
at times
they even talk alike

But don't mind me. I'm easily amused.

Have a happy day all.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 19, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

A headline that caught my eye on the Globe & Mail page you posted, dmd...

What do men think of women in jumpsuits?

(Answer: not much)

Posted by: -TBG- | October 19, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Laughing TBG, same headline caught my eye yesterday and I had to read it!

Posted by: dmd3 | October 19, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, ye Boodlers!
Reporting a fine spring morning in Santiago. Need to buy tobacco, a chore that will take me block from Constitution square. The Fenix-2 escape capsule is on display there.

Prez Piñera had to modify his schedule in London as he had to visit Q. Elisabeth II.

I was not invited.

Brag :)

Posted by: Braguine | October 19, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

New Kit!

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 19, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, cramping in the pool can come from any one of five common sources. One, as VL said, is low potassium. But they can also come from low sodium, low calcium, or low magnesium. All four of these basically come from diet, and are influenced by whatever a person's body may be low in.

The fifth possible cause is dehydration, which sounds counter-intuitive when one is surrounded by water and swimming in a pool of the stuff. But water aerobics people always tell you to drink water right after an water aerobics class, to replace bodily fluids. You aren't aware of it, but when you exercise in a pool, you do in fact sweat, but you are unaware of it because it washes away immediately.

So one of the possibilities is you are simply dehydrating yourself. (This is generally the primary cause of low sodium causing cramps; "low soidum" and "dehydration are sometimes the same thing, sometimes not.)

Since it is nearly impossible to tell which of the five factors is causing your cramps, treat all five of them at once: drink a bottle of Gatorade before you go into the pool, or take it with you and drink from it over the course of the time you are in the water. And drink water or Gatorade after the class, to replace fluids, whether you've cramped up or not. A lot of the people in my water aerobics class take a bottle of water into the pool with them, and sip from them from time to time.

Also, in some water aerobics exercise, a lot of people tend to bounce on the ball of the foot, rather than stand flat-footed in waist-deep or armpit-deep water. If you do this too much, you can develop cramps in the calf muscle, or feel muscle strain and ache the next day. So remember to stand flat-footed as much as possible, especially if doing "jogging" type exercising in water.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 19, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

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