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They've rescued a third of the miners as I write. Imagine being reborn like this. You're underground, in the netherworld -- maybe Purgatory is the more accurate description -- for 68 days, and then the magic tube comes to get you. Does it feel like a long time, that 15 minutes or so when you're sliding up the hole? How bright is that sun that hits you in the eyes? Who are these men here in their jumpsuits? The Chilean president is here. A family member. It's all so overwhelming, no? Few people go through that kind of death-and-life experience. You don't know if you'll ever see the world again, and then you're given a second chance. That's kind of how I felt covering the oil spill hearings last week at that Holiday Inn, but let's not make this about me.

When you are reborn from the earth, do you celebrate with a party lasting for weeks, or do you go sit alone in an orchard?

Do you plant a tree?

Give up smoking?

Start smoking?

Go to church or go on TV?

Hire an agent or head into the confessional?

If these guys were NFL players they'd spike their helmets and do a dance.

What a great triumph of rescue technology to get them all out alive (assuming this keeps going as planned for the rest of the day and night -- it's very painstaking). I'd like to see how the engineers not only drew up the drilling plan but figured out the protocol for sending in the paramedics, doing the triage, assembling the biometric monitors and the other gear that each miner gets for the journey to the surface. Who designed the capsule? What were the low-probability, high-consequence failure possibilities?

This is the Chilean Apollo 13. Miner number 12 should be up soon. Keep going, guys.

By Joel Achenbach  | October 13, 2010; 8:44 AM ET
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Posted by: GomerGross | October 13, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Go collect my backpay. And then drink heavily.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 13, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The technology is essentially the same as what they used to free the coal miners up in Somerset, PA about a year and a half ago. The real feat was that this was WAY deeper into the rock. It's a very impressive feat to have kept them alive down there and then be able to bring them up at least a month ahead of their initial estimate. What I find interesting is that the shaft is on an angle instead of being vertical. Was that on purpose, or what it a result of how they had to drill the initial guide bore?

Posted by: ebtnut | October 13, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

SCC: ...or was it a result...

Posted by: ebtnut | October 13, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Start a church and THEN go on TV.

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 13, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

ebtnut, the fellow who oversaw the drilling was on NPR last night. He said that because this is a fairly old mine with old worked areas, they had to find some solid ground through which to bore. They ended up working from of to the side of the region that has been mined, so they had to start at 11° from vertical, then bend the borehole so that the final entrance into the cavity with the miners is at 2° from vertical.

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 13, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I admit that I haven't been following this with as much attention as it deserves. But after playing catch-up a bit, I am impressed.

It's hard to avoid comparisons to the Deepwater Horizon Disaster, in that approaches had to be created in a very short period of time. I mean, two months, while an awful long time to be hanging around in a mine, isn't much time at all to develop new technologies.

And in both situations you see what happens when exploitation technology gets ahead of rescue technology. But that seems to be the way it always goes.

I'm hopeful that the technology developed is documented and preserved, because I have a feeling it will come in handy again. And I am hopeful that these miners get both the attention and the privacy they deserve.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | October 13, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

The mining company involved in this disaster is bankrupt. No back pay for you! Happily, there will be some other compensations.

While heart warming, some events make me glad that I don't have cable television to distract me.

Posted by: edbyronadams | October 13, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

ebtnut - I didn't realize that this approach isn't fundamentally new. Thanks for pointing this out. That the fundamental challenge was one of scale reminds me again of Deepwater Horizon.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | October 13, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I believe that I might enjoy a celebratory beer, followed by a light meal that emphasizes crisp greens and fresh foods, then some celebratory intimate relations. A light nap, then a pisco sour (national cocktail of Chile!), then a larger celebratory meal with friends and family. Then, perhaps, some further intimate relations.

I wonder if these guys will develop agoraphobia or claustrophobia, or neither? Worst thing would be to have both.

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 13, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Were it me, after the initial greeting I would want three things before attempting any return to civilization - 1 pot of great coffee, a very long, hot shower, brush my teeth for about a half hour - sorry 4 items, new clean clothes. I could then feel comfortable celebrating.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 13, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Brag said that the company that provided the rig and bored the rescue shaft isn't charging for the operation. Great gesture, that. I hope the miners get the equivalent of combat pay.

Cassandra, stay in the water! Thanks to NyQuil, I slept okay and will get through the day. Time for more vitamin C...

Posted by: slyness | October 13, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

They've pulled more than half of the miners out at this point... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 13, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I agree with dmd, altho' I think I'd take the shower before the coffee! After getting nice and clean, I'd go find a warm and sunny hillside covered with flowers to sit on and just enjoy the scent and panorama.

Posted by: badsneakers | October 13, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I heard this morning on MSNBC that the team that drilled the "hole" (at least some of them) were in Afghanistan drilling wells when they learned of the trapped miners and knew they had the technology to help.* Add that with high-tension cable (for the hoists) tech from Europe ... cable car use ... and the Berlin, PA guys who'd rescued miners (after only 70+hours, much shallower) and the NASA folks and others with their health-monitoring and nutrition info ------ well, it's an international helping-hand to the Chilean government and people's strength.

I'm trying hard not to be a Pollyanna ... but this turns out to be one of those "rescue Jessica from the well" events (like Apollo13, in it's way) that captures the hearts and expertise of the world. There's nothing inherently wrong with giving the world a boost of spirit, is there?

*can't find that link right now as events are happening so rapidly. Bless them all, and I think especially of the support men who went down in the capsule ahead of the rescues beginning. Amazing souls.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Get on the drink and eat with the families but don't get drunk, reaquaintance and adjustment. Their gunna need it.

Even if the company is skint, I would wager that they don't have to pay for a drink for while.

Just for the record the Phoenix (Fenix)was built by the Chilean Navy. When they had a problem after one of the early guys they ever had a Navy Commander helping/supervisiong fixing what looked like one of the rollers. Pretty apt name given the subject title of the blog.

Posted by: micksedge | October 13, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

In answer to Joel analogy of victorious player after an NFL game ... I had the odd thought last night that someone might ask "You've survived ... where are you going now?"

I wanted one to turn around and say "NOT to Disney World!"

... also, I'm definitely with ScienceTim regarding intermittent "intimate relations". Some of those overwhelmed wives and girlfriends are lovely!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

And yes, Front Page Alert.

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 13, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, this just in. The hypocrisy is simply nothing short of stunning.

"Report: NY's Paladino once rented to gay clubs

The Associated Press
Wednesday, October 13, 2010; 10:15 AM

"NEW YORK -- New York Republican gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino, who has spent the week fending off accusations that he is anti-gay, once collected rent from two gay clubs located in buildings he owned in downtown Buffalo, according to a published report.

"Cobalt, one of the two clubs, operated as a gay bar in 2004 and most of 2005 and was run by Paladino's son, William, the Daily News reported Wednesday, citing state liquor board records. It was housed in a building owned by one of Paladino's many companies, Huron Group LLC, the newspaper said. The club was run under another corporate name.

"The report in the Daily News on Wednesday comes just after Paladino told a group of Orthodox Jewish leaders that he opposed schools for what he called "brainwashing" of students into thinking that being gay is just another choice and "not the way God created us."


"The newspaper said liquor license records also showed that the other club, Buddies II, operated under the name Queen City Entertainment in another Paladino building in 2005 and 2006.

"Buddies II described itself as a "bar where anyone and everyone is welcome (and) prejudices are left at the door," the News said.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 13, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Badsneakers, dangling your soul and holding hands with somebody close to you. And not talk much.

Posted by: gmbka | October 13, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

No, talitha, I don't think any of them are going to Disney World -- where you get to take thrill rides in long, dark tunnels. I suspect they've had enough of that for the time being.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 13, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I was just exploring the theme of Heaven & Hell this morning, because I have just been to both. I hope I get a rescue cage.

(A job listing in the newspaper, relating to metallurgy appeared. Invited me to submit a resume to an email address. Upon research, saw this job was so much about me I was convinced I OWNED the sucker. Then, my email with accompanying files bounced back. Reformulated attachments as included text. Bounced again. Telephone reveals complete confusion, no knowledge, by company running ad.)

I wish I could see some daylight.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 13, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

14 out ... !

The I-Ching defines 14 as the number of fortune. Now, I don't necessarily believe in ancient numerology but ...

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Hah, 'mudge ... my point exactly!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Tim: Thanks for the details on the bore hold angle. Makes sense.

Posted by: ebtnut | October 13, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

15 is Modesty.

Looks and sounds like he lives that. Bless him, and I look forward to reading his diaries and letters should he choose to publish them. (He hadn't shaved and looked exhausted and haggard ... my heart went out to him.)

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

SCC: bore hole, of course. Man, that's two in a row. Maybe more caffine is needed.

Posted by: ebtnut | October 13, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Daylight to Jumper!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Here's another shout out to our fellow boodler Brag, who is in Santiago and feeding us local info. This is an amazing place Joel's created, no?

Posted by: -TBG- | October 13, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all. I missed some good Boodling yesterday. The live-Boodle thread at the end, as the rescue began, was very moving. Gave me chills. Special thanks to Brag for taking the time to share this extraodinary moment in time with us.

We had an honest-to-gosh earthquake this morning. A 4.5 occurred at 9:06 a.m, a few miles east of Norman, OK. It was felt from Tulsa to Chickasha, with OKC in the middle. We felt it here in the Capitol building. There was a loud noise and a bump and things shook for about 20 seconds. We heard and felt it clearly. This should not happen on the third floor of a massive granite building. It was very unsettling.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 13, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I see it!

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 13, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

If the miners were NFL players they would still be in the mine waiting for a bigger shaft to be bored out. Only some kickers and a few wide receivers would fit in the bullet they're using.
ftb, do you think Ndamukong Suh fits in that cage?

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 13, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The mining company involved in this disaster is bankrupt. No back pay for you! Happily, there will be some other compensations.

Posted by: edbyronadams | October 13, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

By the government you mean???

We don't want government but that's the first place we run when in trouble. Including the criminal corporations. This company declared itself in bankruptcy immediately to avoid paying. The government will pick the tab of the rescue and the medical and compensation.

Imagine these miners without the government.

Posted by: coqui44 | October 13, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse


I believe that granite is a very effective conductor of earthquake waves which is, in part, why earthquakes in the center of the country are often felt over much larger areas and at much lower intensities than in places like California or Alaska. I'll defer to the "science types" here to clean up after any misstatements.

All that said, it had to be scary--especially coming in Oklahoma. You can take some scant comfort in the fact that your typical Los Angelino would likely feel about the same if she found herself in the midst of a tornado warning.

Posted by: Awal | October 13, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Such a great story.

I can't help but think that if this happened in America, the miners likely would have been paid to say "I'm going to Disneyworld!" when they came out.

Half of the miners would have already set up publicists while awaiting rescue.

At least one would have already called John Stewart a racist on Howard Stern and have a seven-figure book deal in hand.

All things being serious again, this is wonderful.

Posted by: baldinho | October 13, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

baldinho, I was just going to reply to Shriek that no respectable North American professional athlete would emerge from the mine without signed endorsement deals, book and movies deals etc. First person to meet them - their agent.

Of course the tabloid would have already had their fil of the dirt in the lives of those trapped.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 13, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Don't invoke Walt's Lair too often, or you're likely to see "Escape From the Mine" thrill rides crop up everywhere...

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 13, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, a 4.5 shaker is good enough to to increase one's heartbeat. Glad to hear it didn´t go higher.

As to who built the escape capsules: ASMAR, the Chilean navy'workshops. NASA was invited to share their knowhow. A few days after the miners were located 4 NASA engineers and MDs arrived in Santiago and developed two lists of requirements. They also shared results of diet experiments.

NASA's info helped a lot.

The 82 degree slant was drilled un purpose. You can see on TV that ground climbs steeply. A lot of digging and leveling had to take place before drilling could start.

Chile's engineering knowhow is highly developed. Geography and sysmic activity requires it.

Same goes for the medical field, which is world class.

It should be noted that ASMAR was heavily damaged by the Feb. 27 tsunami.

Brag :)

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Huh, Awal. The things I learn on the Boodle. Here we were thinking this huge pile of rock should have insulated us from the earthquake.

My other earthquake experiences were in Southern California. I have to say, a Los Angeleno might be unsettled by a tornado warning there - but if they had our weather forecasting, probably not. They can plot them pretty much block by block now. Earthquakes, not the same.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 13, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

17 miners out approaching half way mark counting the rescuers below.

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Did I mention how in America celebrities would have glommed onto the event to try to restart their careers?

Why, they might have sent their love down the well, like the great Simpsons skit.

Posted by: baldinho | October 13, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

First, I would go to Mass to thank God for my rescue. Then, I would gather my immediate family and go somewhere quiet, peaceful and away from everything to contemplate how I would live the rest of my life. Not many people who are near death get great second chances like this one. It should change their lives, forever, hopefully for the better.

Posted by: Listening2 | October 13, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

The story of this disaster and rescue, is one of leadership, faith, perseverance, courage and endurance.

I remember how hopeless the situation seemed before the miners were located.


Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

As I watched one mother waiting for her son to emerge from that relatively small hole in the ground, you couldn't help but feel that she had been given a second chance to witness the birth of her son. Where this time she traded emotional pain (instead of physical) for the joy of holding him in her arms. It can't get any better than that in this life.

Posted by: AverageJane | October 13, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

While a lot of news organizations are saying nothing bout nothing bout the guy flown in from Afghanistan to help, hopefully the success today will prompt other countries facing daunting challenges to ask for and graciously accept help without regard to nationalities or politics.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 13, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Brag, you are a *treasure*! Thank you so much for being our in-the-moment/on-the-moment guy down there. I join the others in being so moved when the first guy got out last night. I would have wanted to stay up longer to see more of them emerge from the capsule, but couldn't.

Ivansmom, I IMed with my colleague in OKC this morning, who told me about your earthquake. He thought it was cool (and he's on the 16th floor!). Not exactly the modifier I would use, however.

Shriek -- I cannot fathom how big a capsule would have to be to hold (not to mention transport) Ndamukong Suh! Love his name, tho. Lions play Giants this weekend -- *modestly optimistic* for them cats!

Posted by: ftb3 | October 13, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm, if it I and "I've just been pulled from under the earth after 69+ days (17 without knowing if anyone knew I was still alive) what would *I* want to do?"

Handsshakes and hugs all around. A lobster and a bottle of Scotch even before a shower and "intimacies". Then I'd opt for one of those treehouse getaways with fresh air and starry nights and a good campfire (where I could cook my heart out) --- even if the bugs did try to eat me!


Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Had my numbers reversed earlier... NOW more than half of the miners have been rescued.


Posted by: Scottynuke | October 13, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

scc: if it "were" I .....

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

scc: "was"? ah, s**t, I ain't no copy editor!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I must admit I can't answer Joel's question. I have no idea what I'd do if I were in the miners' situation. I hope I never have to know. I do believe I'd be very, very glad.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 13, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Now the Oklahoma Geological Survey says our earthquake was a 5.1. Hmmph.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 13, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, sending earthquake-redemptive-tea your way. Mercy!

Re earthquakes: My only fear about sonchild living in Santa Cruz CA is that "the land will fall into the sea", but that's dumber than dumb in the scheme of things ... he's traveled six of the seven continents and managed to survive.

I always "congratulated" him about his innate sense of well-being, depth-perception, and ability to never fall off the changing-table or to climb out of the crib as a baby. He also knew not to ski the slopes above his ability as a 2-year-old or climb higher than his little legs could take him in the Rockies when he was four. Odd that protective parenthood extends past our logical ability to predict or control a thing! I so appreciate having him as a friend now that we're adults ... and look after one another.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

My intuition tells me that the miners will likely do nothing we might expect like drinking or those intimacies of which Tim speaks, simply because people who are deeply traumatized never do. There is usually a long re-adjustment period before any of that would seem possible to them.

I think the things they will really enjoy are the things we take for granted; clean clothing, a real bed to sleep in, fresh water to drink. That's enough to be going on with.

Posted by: Yoki | October 13, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

In 1982 the catamaran Tafuta Tu sank off the East African coast. I and four crew members didn't have any hope of rescue. After ten hours of swimming we reached shore. Eventualy I enjoyed a cup of hot tea and a boiled egg.

Years later I paid back by doing volunteer work for the U.S. Coast Guard.
Brag :)


Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I do know, for myself, one of the things I would crave would be privacy, after being cooped up with 33 other people for 69 days, and isolation chamber would be welcome - then again I am odd.

Even for a more normal person, I would think the transition over the next hours, days, weeks will be difficult - I wish them all well for both their physical and mental health.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 13, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Jumper wrote "I wish I could see some daylight."

Yeah, me too. Coming up this Thanksgiving, it'll be 20 years since I saw my last ray of sunlight before my eyes gave out.

I can't speak for the miners or the suffering and anxiety they've endured over the past months, but surely I can relate to the darkness in which they've been trapped. Though my case is hopeless, I am sitting here right now rejoicing in their rescue and imagining the happiness they experience, one by one, as they reunite themselves with their families and the world that was cut off from them by such a tragic incident.

I should be ashamed to admit it, but in a way, I'm jealous. The joy they will share returning to a normal life, if at all "normal" after such a horrific ordeal is something I've given up on long ago.

But I have my dreams. Only when sleeping though.

And in these dreams, I can see. It's like, Wow!, I've been cured. I can see! I can see! And I raise my hand over my face and hold out 2 fingers, and count them. Yes, One, Two. Then I put up 3 fingers and count. One. Two. Three. It's just like the test I used to do when my vision was dimming. When I woke up in the morning, if I could hold my fingers 2 feet from my face and differentiate the individual fingers, I could make it to work and do my job. That was the test.

I get really excited. My heart pounds. I run through the house, or at least I dream that I run through the house, trying to get a glimpse at my wife and kids, because if I had one wish, that would be it.
I've never seen my kids, I don't know exactly what they look like, but gosh, if I could just see them, it would be like heaven, or at least what I think heaven would be like. And I jump up and down, like a child waiting for a carnival ride, flapping arms in front of him in anticipation of the excitement. Hurry, hurry, come here children, come here so I can rejoice in your smile, look into your eyes, watch you dance. Hurry! While it lasts, before the light all goes away again.

Typically, that's when my wife taps me on the shoulder as I've asked her to do to take me out of a nightmare.

So I wake up, open my eyes and the vision of my beautiful children are gone. Vanished. The darkness returns and I've been awakened back to reality, - no rest for the wicked, I've got bills to pay, mouths to feed...

Though depressing in the end, those few seconds of pure ecstasy makes those dreams all worth it. Yes, a return to sunlight!

And so it goes, for me and the miners alike.

Posted by: WhackyWeasel | October 13, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

You're so right, Yoki. (tal thunk mostly)

As I watch I can think only of those who are not yet above the surface, as well as those who "went down" to assist ... these men are survivors in the most incredible sense. Doubt that any of us need speculate or even (and Joel is lovely in his speculation and reminders of the technology involved) comprehend the extraordinary efforts that are involved.

18th man out! Esteban Rojas.

I just have to say, my tears still come every time.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Brag, wow! (newbie, here - didn't know that.)

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

WhackyWeasel, I don't know what to say except that I'm a selfish woman in relation to what you experience. Please accept my apologies for being so insensitive.

We don't know one another here on the Boodle, but I hope that will change.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Whacky, thank you for your post. From you past posts you seem like someone who brings a great deal of light to those in your life.

Now going to find another box of kleenex!

Posted by: dmd3 | October 13, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Has there been much (or any) coverage of the situation of the one miner whose wife and mistress both showed up at the site, carrying signs for their guy? I have a suspicion he'll be the very last man out -- or even beg to be allowed to stay down there.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 13, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I took a tour of a coal mine out near the 'Burgh once. The mine had been shut down, but was turned into an exhibition mine with history exhibits and a walking tour. At one point, they stopped the walk, and told us they were going to turn off the lights. If you have never experienced TOTAL dark, it is definitly an un-nerving experience. I wonder how long those miner's headlamps could last? And was there some sort of emergency lighting available in the safety room?

Posted by: ebtnut | October 13, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Haven't heard more on this guy, can´t remember his name, but will keep an ear on this one

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

And geez, Brag, what else have you been up to? Guys, maybe Brag is that guy we see in those Dos Equis commercials as "the most interesting man in the world?"

Posted by: ebtnut | October 13, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, WhackyWeasel, for your thoughts. I hope and pray that one day, medical science will find a way to bring back your sight.

Posted by: slyness | October 13, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I've been worrying about the angles in the borehole. First I worried about how that long capsule gets past them. Now I'm worried about the cable chafing on the angle.

With a depth of 2000 feet, that's a maximum of 4000' of chafing on each round trip, of which there are about 35. That's up to 28 miles of chafing in this operation, depending on the depth of the inflection point. So an average of 14 miles of chafing at each point.

The friction would depend on the weight of the capsule plus the cable weight below the inflection point. Then factor in the speed of the cable and the angle of the inflection.

You'd end up, I guess, with some serious heat being generated between cable and rock, and a lot of force on both. Assuming the cable is engineered for the purpose and they're monitoring its condition as it spools off and on the winch, the worry is the rock in the shaft. If the cable loosens rock, it falls down the shaft onto the top of the capsule.

I'm telling myself that these miners drop loads down crooked bore holes all the time, so they must have worked this out. But I'm very anxious for the last man to come out of that hole.

Posted by: pundito | October 13, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Over 20 years ago I had a situation where I was born again in a sense: I had a spinal cord tumor removed that could have made me a quadriplegic. It was apparently a very difficult operation, but I came out just fine thanks to one of the best neurosurgeons in the country. I was given back my physical life that could have been taken away - I was told that if I'd had a bad fall in the couple of years before they found it and operated, my spinal cord would likely have been severed since it was squeezed down very small by the growing tumor. But I was OK. Wow.

One of the outcomes from my new lease on life was that I vowed never to take my body for granted after that. And I've been a jogger and have kept active and fit ever since.

Posted by: catherine3 | October 13, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

And geez, Brag, what else have you been up to? Guys, maybe Brag is that guy we see in those Dos Equis commercials as "the most interesting man in the world?"

Posted by: ebtnut | October 13, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the double post. Got one of those movable type error messages and thought I needed to resubmit.

Posted by: ebtnut | October 13, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Our Brag's picture is next to the definition of derring-do in the dictionary.

Posted by: Yoki | October 13, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"The most interesting man" wants to be Brag when he grows up... :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 13, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I used to think my mom made good chile. Now I find it is actually mined by men in South America. Apperently only after it is discovered by specially trained chile dogs. Is there nothing sacred anymore?

Posted by: veritasinmedium | October 13, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Wait, *I* want to be Brag when I grow up. The Dos Equis guy can keep making the commercials though.

Posted by: cowhand214 | October 13, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

In tangentially Chile-related news, the people who make absentee ballots for Texas don't know their state flag as well as they should.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 13, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I know you're a novelist, Brag, but how about some memoirs? Or you could take all your on-line stuff (which I have trouble finding sometimes, links?) and publish it together. You have some amazing tales to tell.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 13, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

To end speckoolashoon and Dos Equis legends, my off fishool bio is here:

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Who is beginning to look a mess is Golbourne, the Minister of Mines, who been on the platform since yesterday. He and Sugarret have not taken time off since Piñera gave them marching orders.

People in Santiago have not slept much either. Everyone is yawning.


Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

In Copiapo, people are lining the streets to wave at the ambulances carrying the miners escorted by motorcycle cops.

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Lots of good pictures of the miners here:

Posted by: yellojkt | October 13, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey gummint workers,
Pat Sajak thinks you shouldn't be allowed to vote on certain things because it would be a conflict of interest.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 13, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Number 22 going up. Last person out expected early tomorrow morning. they are moving faster and faster on the turnarounds

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's give Pat some lovely parting gifts, shall we? *RME*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 13, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

When he's not so tired, Golbourne is hot.

Posted by: Yoki | October 13, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

YJ, nice line Sajak drew, too bad it's not straight. Federal employees don't vote on federal matters. They vote for federal candidates. Big diff. And here I thought Vanna was the dull knife in the drawer.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 13, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Good pitchahs, Yello

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Brag - and thanks again for the on-the-spot reporting.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 13, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Wait! Wait! ..... I WAS that woman in the Dos Equis commercials with Brag ... but y'all didn't know I produced and directed them, didja? Shoot! ;)

I'm enjoying the front-page generated comments immensely. Stay! Stay!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse


don't mind me ... I'm dealing with goofy teaheads in my neighborhood this afternoon.

It spilled over.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

ebnut, I've received one those "moveable type error" messages every time I've tried to post for two days. I know my posts aren't particularly substantive, but "c'mon".

btw, yello, I've still got a bone to pick with you ... another day.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Those photos made me cry, Yello.

I will be glad when they are all out and home.

Last night, in the dark, I couldn't tell that they were out in the middle of nowhere. Lonely spot for a hole and a rescue.

Posted by: slyness | October 13, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

My quest for daylight was fortunately only metaphorical. Finding things in dreams, only to lose them upon awakening, is an experience I am familiar with, Whacky Weasel. As I suspect it is with many of us. Your report touched me today, and it will linger in my thoughts long beyond today. Thanks.

Damn. Now I'm thinking of Sheila.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 13, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

After reading Brag's bio, I think I was essentially right - Brag is the "real" most interesting man in the world.

Posted by: ebtnut | October 13, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

When I came home from offshore rigs, although there was no privacy there except for sleep, I did not crave privacy. I craved the company of women, and not the mere physical; not just my girlfriend. It was extended to all. The elderly lady storekeeper, the waitress who called me "hon," all of them.

I think Chile is more modern than some believe here, and I bet a fair handful or more have media contracts awaiting. Viva Chile.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 13, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

My posts always feel as if they're in the dark. Whacky Weasel and Jumper --- a song (corny as h*ll) ... probably for greenwithenvy, too.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

When Joel is shown the door at The Post, and it won't be long, how will he support himself since he only has about a dozen regulars who read and post (generally off-topic) comments to his blog? Maybe Brian Krebs can give him some pointers.

Posted by: Dawny_Chambers | October 13, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

We are at LEAST fifteen Soapy Chambers.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 13, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

And none of those fifteen are cruel or ignorant.

Posted by: Yoki | October 13, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

The technology involved has been dicussed, a team effort including technologies from Chile,Germany, and U.S.A. among others. I find it interesting that two of the miners were saved from death by the unusual distraction of a butterfly. Then there is the story of the probe which, on its eighth attempt, located the miners alive only after is was deflected in the direction of where the miners sought refuge. What if the probe was not deflectors or those drilling gave up after only seven attempts? Some would call these events which eventually led to the effort to rescue the 33 trapped miners are the miracles. Miracles of faith, miracles of hope or miracles of luck. Why would the Chilean Government already weakened by an major earthquake, tsunami and a weakened economy use huge resources to embark upon what initially seemed to be an impossible rescue mission with technologies never before tested to this extreme. Was this a gamble or faith of the human spirit with the hope that miracles can happen? I leave it up to fellow readers to decide.

Posted by: mickelsons | October 13, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I am touched that Pinera seems as genuinely warm and thrilled to greet the 26th miner as the first, as do all the rescue crew.

Posted by: Yoki | October 13, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

*humming mindlessly to self*

Poor Joel. Stuck, week after week, with the same handful of special needs commentors who just can't stay on topic.

Posted by: Dawny_Chambers | May 2, 2010 11:37 AM

Funny, that last remark was off topic.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 2, 2010 11:39 AM

I have a suggestion for you, Dawny_Chambers -- if your OCD requires you to have people stay on topic, then this blog is probably not for you. Joel doesn't appear to care, nor do we, if we roam away from the topic du jour. We have been blogging like this for years. We like it. You don't. What does that tell you about you?

*don't bang the door on the way out*

If only it were olive oil .....

Posted by: -ftb- | May 2, 2010 11:52 AM

Greetings, Dawny.

Funny, I don't recall Mr. A ever claiming he is "poor" because we regulars regularly veer off topic.

That judgment appears to be yours. You're entitled to it, naturally. Would you like to elaborate?

BTW, do you plan to post something on topic? We would welcome it.

Posted by: MsJS | May 2, 2010 11:52 AM

Raising hand and confessing: I am a "special needs commentor" as Dawny Chambers notes.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 2, 2010 11:54 AM

Hi, CqP!

My name is MsJS and I, too, am a special needs commentor.

Posted by: MsJS | May 2, 2010 12:01 PM

I've always prided myself on having very special needs. You know, like fine automobiles with rich Corinthian leather. Cigars rolled on the supple thighs of young women. Wines raised in rare orchards located on verdant isles in the Mediterranean and harvested by young women whose thighs, though supple, didn't quite make the cut for the rolling of cigars.

Wait. Where was I.

Oh yes.

Whilst I might have these and similarly Special Needs, they, alas, go tragically unmet.

Which is why, of course, I end up posting here.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | May 2, 2010 12:21 PM

Topics? There are topics? Son of a gun.

It's more like the tropics here in DC today! Yuck.

Posted by: -pj- | May 2, 2010 1:04 PM

I hate when someone looks over my shoulder. And gives me advice.

Posted by: seasea1 | May 2, 2010 1:07 PM

But what about my needs?

Posted by: Yoki | May 2, 2010 1:46 PM
You are very special, Yoki, so your needs must be, too.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | May 2, 2010 1:51 PM


Special is as special does. :)

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | May 2, 2010 2:00 PM

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | October 13, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, how could you not love this place.

Mudge's 6:15 just put a huge smile on my face.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 13, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

yello, the NH GOP is trying to get a bill passed that does the same as what Sajak wants, I guess.

They are concerned that public employees are out working for and volunteering for political campaigns. They want to make that not allowed.

Ahhh to be in the party of freedom in 2010.

Posted by: baldinho | October 13, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The immolation of "The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society" has been cancelled.

I peeked.

We're going to reheat "The Flounder" and suck back a few beers instead.

Posted by: Boomslang | October 13, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Soapy Chambers? *snort*

IMO, it would only be unethical if they were revealing their employers/position to give their views more clout, or if they were a publicly recognizable figure (like a SCOTUS justice or Gates). Disenfranchising the local postman is ridiculous.

That being said, in Baltimore this past primary, the police commissioner put a sign up in front of his private residence supporting the challenger. I'm not saying he shouldn't have his vote, but I rather feel that he's enough of a local public figure that publicly throwing support to one candidate like that was toeing the line. (He removed the sign amid criticism, but it was widely talked about. The challenger eventually won.)

Posted by: MoftheMountain | October 13, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm in need of "Le Turbot" as well Boomslang but I'm midway through Anathem and Stephen Hunter's "I, Sniper" awaits. Go ahead and burn a stack of old McLeans instead.

It might be an audience of fifteen only but it's a carefully selected audience of fifteen.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 13, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Pretty cool, 29 miners down and 4 to go. The fancy bullet is holding well, it might become the new standard.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 13, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Today is Our Lady of Fatima Day. Or something like that.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 13, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I'LL show you off topic: Here's Krugman's 1978 paper on theory of interstellar trade. With time-contracted interest rates.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 13, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Yoki | October 13, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

The home page of the Web site for the Guardian newspaper in England has a link to the weather in London and the weather in Copiapo, Chile.

Posted by: -pj- | October 13, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Another sight that makes me smile is when each miner realizes the smiling man who is reaching to greet and hug him is Pinera.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 13, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

This ia a small world. Marcelo Riveros, a boy from Copiapo, Chile who became a cinematographer was on the public radio today, commenting on the miners' rescue. He's been living in Quebec city for 10 years. His grand-father was a miner and his father and sister are miners in the Copiapo area.
He was the guide and cinematographer on the documentary movie "Mirage of El Dorado".

He also worked for the WaPo...

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 13, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Penultimate miner on his way up!

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Only one more to go for successful rescue

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I'd be willing to throw the political establishment a bone on "public employees" working for campaigns.

It would be a two-way deal, though. The public employees cannot work for any campaign... as long as no politician makes any effort to gain the support of any public employee or use any public employee in any advertising.

No cops. No firemen. No veterans. No active military. No teachers. None. They don't work for campaigns, you don't brag about how much they support you.

Done and done.

Posted by: baldinho | October 13, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys see Paladino's latest ad? He has a pretty good singing voice.

Posted by: baldinho | October 13, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to Pinochet and Kissinger the Elliot Lake uranium mines had a quite a few hard rock miners of Chilean extraction.


Posted by: Boomslang | October 13, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

baldhino... in a way, you remind me of the late, great boodler Error Flynn. He came up with sensible ideas like that, too.

Straight thinking guys, both of you.

baldhino in '16!

Posted by: -TBG- | October 13, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

The shift foreman is about to head on up. How cool that he took it upon himself to see those in his charge are safe first. Valor. Integrity. Someone ought to point him out to the Deepwater Horizon bosses.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 13, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I guess that would mean politicians would have to eliminate their favorite backdrop props, the members of the military and other federal workers?

Posted by: dmd3 | October 13, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Quick drive-by. 32 are up now! YAY!

Waiting for the mobile notary to swing by and notarize an affidavit I wrote, so I can be ready for FedEx to swoop over tomorrow morning. I gotta tell ya, I never knew that there were mobile notaries and I think it's a helluva good business model. Then tomorrow, it's gonna be nonstop finishing up of a pleading, affidavit and exhibits to file in the northern district of California by midnight tomorrow -- thankfully that court accepts electronic filing. I'll be out for bear (see, I said *bear*!) by Friday, when I have to file some trademark applications online.

I think I'm too old for this.

Anybody read Ruth Marcus' Op-Ed today? I thought it rawked!

Posted by: ftb3 | October 13, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Urzua is on way up!

Six rescuers are left in mine
Outside, all singing national anthem

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I switched over to CNN to watch the last miner come up, it is in the middle of the Spitzer show, wow and I thought listening to Larry King was painful.

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Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

And it is done, and well done.

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Posted by: -TBG- | October 13, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse


Oh, wait...

Uh, never mind.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | October 13, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I would like to nominate veritasinmedium's 2:51 PM for Post of the Day.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 13, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

first rescuer going up, five to go

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

All the miners are out and I am so happy. I think all of us needed some good news for a change.

Almost 50 years ago there was a similar situation in Germany with a lucky outcome:

Posted by: gmbka | October 13, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to the Chileans on an amazing feat. It is great to see such unity and spirit.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 13, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Piñera speaks in English

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I meant to say something at the time. I too was greatly pleased and amused by veritas' comment this afternoon.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 13, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Thousands of people pouring to Plaza Italia, Santiago's geographic center

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh man, there's nothing like a great success...celebrate on, Chile!

Posted by: slyness | October 13, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Krugman must have been a partial inspiration for 'A Deepness in the Sky' by Vernor Vinge.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 13, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I want to thank the people of Chile and all the other people who helped them in the rescue of the miners for their faith, dedication and know-how in getting the job done. It has been wonderful to watch such a happy-ending event for a change. And much thanks to Brag for all his inside information.

I also wanted to thank Wacky Weasel for that poignant post this morning. I too hope there is a cure for you somewhere in the not to distant future.

I feel very lucky to have found this blog and all those who hang out here - well, almost all ;-)

Posted by: badsneakers | October 13, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh, praise be!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh, praise be!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

So happy that they all got out. Next on the list is to get those mining companies in order (as if) so that this doesn't happen so frequently, even if this one ended up well (so far) for the miners.

The notary just left, so I'm going back to TCM, which is showing "Smiles of a Summer Night" (an Ingemar Bergman piece) all in Swedish with silly subtitles. And a very young Gunnar Björnstrand, and even younger (and blonder) Harriet Andersson and Bibi Andersson. And a very much older Naima Wifstrand, who always looked like she was 150 years old. And the ever charming (mostly) Jarl Kulle as the Count.

*sigh* (which in Swedish (honest to goodness) is *suck*).

Posted by: ftb3 | October 13, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

ooooops, the white page of boodledecrepitudes strikes again.

Now, let's get the rescuers out and "smile right big", as my daddy used to say when the phalanx of Stearmans set down safely.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 13, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Wonderful to see the Chilean miners are rescued and reunited with loved ones (before a hospital visit).

Excellent planning and execution by the rescue teams. (And spot-on media managment, too.)

Was thinking, like many, how this story is such an antidote to the bad news we've been inundated with for... well, seemingly *years.*

I'm celebrating from here. Salut!

s_d, I'm almost done with Anathem -- it's good, but went down a road into last-quarter-of-the-20th-century-vintage SF (a' la Haldeman, Tiptree Jr./Sheldon, etc.). Which, I guess, makes sense, seeing how Cyberpunk Snow Crash was. I'm enjoying it, though I think it's more Clarke than Pynchon. (and yello, you know how much I like Vernor Vinge)


Posted by: -bc- | October 13, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Hearfelt congratulations to Chile, its government, its people, and all those of all nations who helped with the rescue. This was tremendous. Much appreciation, again, to Brag for being our eyes and ears and voice in Chile. Celebrate well.

Yes, it was good to hear from whackyweasel. I have missed you.

I thought about starting Anathem but wasn't up to the extra language. Instead I finally started Quicksilver. It is time I read the Baroque Trilogy. So far it is great fun. This summer I read Ian Pears's Instance of the Fingerpost, and there are some similarities and overlap in character and subject matter. I'd forgotten how Pynchonish Stephenson can sometimes be.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 13, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I was overcome when the last lost miner came up; and am now watching the rescuers being rescued. I thought it was terribly brave of the first doctor to go down 28 hours ago, not knowing if he could be retrieved or not. The whole thing might have been a disaster, and instead it was flawless.

At the beginning, I could not hope that they would be found alive. Then that they would survive the entombment. Then that they would all be successfully brought up.

So moving. I've wept more than once in the last 26 hours. It taught me to be cautiously optimistic, more than once.

Posted by: Yoki | October 13, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Last rescuer got on board and capsule is inside shaft and climbing

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Braguine. I was worried when the cameras went off those great men.

Posted by: Yoki | October 13, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Brag: thanks for your narrative over the past day. as it has been said, this space is amazing. by all accounts, the engineering that made this possible should be noted as one of the top accomplishments in modern times. amazing. now i hope that the miners can get back to something approaching normalcy.

Posted by: -jack- | October 13, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Last rescuer is on deck.
No one left to turn off the lights

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm OK with that. They'll burn out. Better them.

Posted by: Yoki | October 13, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

That was the thing that was

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

far from being lyrically appropriate, the hymn like quality seems a good fit. just a good song:

Posted by: -jack- | October 13, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Night Yoki :)

Posted by: Braguine | October 13, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

'night, brag.

Let's go out for a smoke one day soon.

Posted by: Yoki | October 13, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Well, I just felt like a hearing a hymn tonight ... so I found this version of my very favorite one ...

Posted by: talitha1 | October 14, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Kinda weird for a zen-wikkan-atheist, huh?

Posted by: talitha1 | October 14, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Um, talitha, I know how us pagan-witch-people respond to fine music that is ethereal and spiritual and has beautiful words. The only way I understand other peoples' faith is through great music and poetry.

Like this.

Love you,
Completely Secular Yoki

Posted by: Yoki | October 14, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Sister o'mine, love you muchly!

I just found this - the miners, while still trapped singing ---


then this ...

goodnight all ... or good morning to the
dear Dawn Patrol, and Cassandra, especially

Posted by: talitha1 | October 14, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

I gave my two girls this Alison Krause tune... they didn't appreciate it. Thanks sister-mine.

Posted by: Yoki | October 14, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

talitha, for you.

Posted by: Yoki | October 14, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

And this is me, in Revelstoke, BC, Canada from 1999 to 2002.

Posted by: Yoki | October 14, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Well, I didn't mean it to be a song about flying away "after death", so let's see if I can better capture how those men may have felt.

It's getting near dawn
I'll soon be with you my love,
I've been waiting so long
To be with you in the sunshine ...

Posted by: talitha1 | October 14, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Yo, Yoki ... just blow my heart and soul OUT with that Ruthie Foster evoking Odetta! Set on freedom.

Girl! said the the BEST way. MMmmmm Hmm.

I'm gonna tell y'all ... there's some boodlers that could make a free-range-radio station run on 10 megahertz* alone that could reach around the world by sheer mindpower.

*mega-hurts ... adding lots of scrambled joy and care.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 14, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

never meant, nor knew

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Posted by: Yoki | October 14, 2010 1:44 AM | Report abuse

On-kit, a rarity for me ... Stardust ...

Posted by: talitha1 | October 14, 2010 2:29 AM | Report abuse

Yoki, the night Hey Jude debuted (a live video) on American television my sisters and I commandeered the TV. I can remember sitting in that cozy room, my parents, sisters and little brother around and ... just wondering ... amazed.

The performance was so far removed from the "yeah,yeah,yeah" of the early Beatles.

My parents (raised dancing to big band) actually liked the Beatles, Dylan, Joni Mitchell and Judy Collins, Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger and the Kingston Trio, etc., any Broadway musical or symphony, Vivaldi (my passion) ... whatever (Byrds, Stones, name it) that I, or my sisters and brother, wanted to hear. They were just fun that way ... and they taught us about swing, big band, and boogie-woogie ... opera, waltz and ballet, and the classic hymns. Blessed with music then ... and now. A lucky girl, lucky woman.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 14, 2010 3:08 AM | Report abuse

Good morning folks.

The nice thing about the sunrise getting later and later is that, if you like to get up early and get working, it seems like you are getting such a good jump on the day even though you are starting at the same time. So much is done before the sun comes up.

Actually, I have had my head down, my nose to the grind stone (and it isn't as prominent anymore) working and making very slow progress on projects, but progress indeed.

I have to say that some of the open source/freeware stuff is really impressive on the surface, but dodgy to use. You really have to have full focus and a ton of debugging tools. So often, the stuff is great in "example," but complex in application as they don't always work the way one would expect and the "wonderful" set of utilities don't always work as they should.

At the end of the day, it is tough dealing with this stuff and try to work for yourself. Sadly, that is where everything is going (the world is getting google'd).

When i say that, there is a glorious mixture of the super-advanced applications of Google and the "anywhere-in-the-world" mass of individual developers who have cobbled together productivity tools for the web and computing.

There is a huge industry in this space where small company's take what's "out there" and tune it up for robust commercial applications. I had to laugh yesterday afternoon when I spoke to a service rep. for a cell company who was helping me and trying to get a current balance for me and the rep said, I'm having some difficulty on that information because my screen didn't "auto-populate."

Auto-populate is a javascript function or plug-in that I had been researching for hours trying to find a working example that applied to my own software development.

I laughed and shared the joke with him and mentioned that I was amused that he would use a technical reference to the condition from which he suffered.

Posted by: russianthistle | October 14, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, boodle! Daughter thought her ride to school was staying home today but it turns out she didn't, so I was up and showered by 6:30 and don't have to leave the house for another two hours.

Nice, quiet morning; having Scrambled Eggs & Boodle for breakfast.

Anyone else looking forward to the live "30 Rock" tonight? Thursday night is still "must-see TV on NBC" for the G family. It's great the way we all still gather on the couch to watch TV together in real time, like in the olden days.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 14, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

It was an evening that required song, wasn't it? The greatest emotions expressed in music. I hope the miners got a good night's sleep and don't get up early today.

Morning, all. Mr. T and I walked our last quarter mile in a gentle rain. A thunderstorm at O-dark seven ayem...

Hi Cassandra! I hope the water therapy is working for you.

Windows update is staring at me, so I suppose I'll let it do its thing. Nothing quite like software, eh, Weed?

Posted by: slyness | October 14, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse


Thanks for the heads up on 30Rock. And here is a peak at the bc household:

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning Boodle.
I think every miner,deserves a gold bar or two fromj the company and then a nice extened vacation.They are or will all be celebrities now.

Totally off topic of course,I wanted to give props to Atlanta Braves manager Booby Cox.Off course he was "forced" into retirement by the Giants.But what a great career Bobby had.He took a pereinial loser in the Braves and established them as the team to beat for 2 decades.He must rank in my top 5 managers of all time.I hope you enjoy your retirement Bobby.

Good Morning TBG,I love the fact that you still have must see TV with your family and I could go for scrambled eggs too.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | October 14, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Did you say that because I told the boodle (don't remember) my looping auto reboot story that happened after a windows update? Talk about a wasted day, but so happy that I could recover.

If not, it is a pain. I was lucky that I had done a solitary Windows checkpoint system backup at some point. Now, I do them all the time. There is a single file that you can get to thru dos before windows boot that tells the computer to try to upgrade. If you have to, you can delete that file and the computer will suddenly be happy without upgrading.

This garbage is just pain. I say, unless you can afford to take a day off fiddling with your Windows to get back online, don't upgrade.

Posted by: russianthistle | October 14, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

slyness, I am referring above to the upgrade that loops and crashes your system over and over and over and over... I had left my laptop on overnight and it did an auto-upgrade. I woke up to my laptop rebooting every 5 minutes, then trying to upgrade, then crashing.

It sort of reminded me of a song from a send-up cabaret blues musician created by Melvin Van Peeples in the '60s ... "if you see Kay, tell her that I love her." This time, it would be Microsoft.

Posted by: russianthistle | October 14, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

I don't remember that you told that story, Weed, but yes, I completely understand! The Geekdottir is no Microsoft fan, either. She likes Linux and OpenOffice. I suppose all software, being of human origin, has its good and bad points and its frailties. I'm glad, though, for the software that enables us to communication from all over the world.

Posted by: slyness | October 14, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Brrrr! Finally gave in and turned the heat on this morning. Neighbors are getting all new windows. Apparently the work didn't start until afternoon yesterday and when I came home from yoga last night they still had gaping holes where the old windows had been and the guy was working under a spotlight trying to get the job done. I think I heard his truck leave at about 11 pm. I'm not sure that the job is finished yet as there is debris in their yard. I hope he finished today as we are getting a n'or easter tonight and tomorrow - gonna be wet!

Posted by: badsneakers | October 14, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

For some reason my body still wants to make up for my lack of sleep after watching the first rescue Tues. night. Oh well, a small price to pay for such joy...

*bumbling-stumbling-(but-not-rumbling-'til-the-weekend) Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 14, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

'morning, all.

Yello, thanks for that cartoon. *That* night's still a few weeks off, but I'll have to put that 'toon up on the fridge.

As much as it's great the miners seem to be in good health are going to get lots of trips, money, iPods, etc., but I'm still concerned about their long-term welfare. But today I'm breathing a little easier, knowing that one part of their ordeal is over. Hopefully they will have any help they need with the part they can't escape from - what they have inside their heads.


Posted by: -bc- | October 14, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Well, yes, slyness, Geekdottir's preference for xxnix is based on the fact that, in general, the attacks are not user-side. I have seen those boxes get hacked in a really bad way. The good news for unix-type people is that there is so few of them that the common exploits are not bothered.

The worst part of Microsoft software is that they keep creating easy-to-use methods of inter-application communication. Those trap doors are left in the software even as Microsoft and their developers increase their employment of the latest (and simplest) inter-app data-transfer methods which are much easier to secure.

As they say, there are always pluses and minuses. BTW, does anyone want to by my SonicWall Firewall? Or, a couple of Cisco Routers?

Posted by: russianthistle | October 14, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Lurking and multi-tasking; very touched by WW's post. Love to you and yours, big guy; and the children all of them darling and beautiful AND they have your very twinkle...somethings you just know.

Cassandra, keep at the water thing. It is a surrender and giving over to....which you are so graceful at. Being uplifted by water is truly sublime and for me, a physical experience of God's arms.

On another med....apparently my walking-biking pneumonia is also pleurisy (the blue roses that Laura talks about in The Glass Menagerie). The fluid was in the place where I broke my ribs two summers ago....little needling by a doc and I am MUCH BETTER!!!!!! And, CpBoy's nebulizer is helpful, too. You can have a bacterial AND fungal infection at the same time! Who knew? Doublemint, doublemint, doublemint MEDS. I keep thinking of the Tinactin commercials.....

Brag -- thanks, global dude whose coolness is so internal so feral that

Also, the mining moonscape we saw on screen reminds me that Chile is home to some of the most arid 'scapes on the planet, high cold deserts. What were they mining anyway? And apparently they use pigeons for air quality? Wow.

Frosti, made it through the challenge at probably under the fifteen, but sick = no appetite. However, I believe that CPBoy ate lunch at places that specialize in the needs of growing boy-men-with-big-puppy appetites.

Mudgies -- always better when you are saddled to ride. Me? in the bunk house today but on the mend, my friends.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 14, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

bc, I was struck how the govt of Chile created this made-for-tv epic recovery that I would suspect, most Americans watched, and knew so many details. At the same time, Karl Rove is raising his spending targets for the election to about 75 Mil, if I remember correctly.

I guess Rove is pretty sure that he won't end up in prison though he is clearly violating the law as his organization is investing the funds in political activity its allowed charter.

BTW, Newt is still trying to scam people out of $5,000 for an official Newt, "you are a good guy" certificate and a gavel. It appears that his "fund raising" for a better America has raised over 2 million dollars which has been spent almost entirely on private air transportation and meals for the ex-speaker.

My scattered chain of thought is that Americans so much about the recovery and have no clue how they are being played by the ultra-wealthy and the dogmatic right wing. The Bob Foreheads in Congress are now just getting very wealthy.

Citizens United is "killing" American politics right now because America is totally disinterested in knowing what is really going on.

It may just come down to a battle of the stock holders to start the reverse revolution. After Gov. Arnold's fiery speech last week about the attack on his state's legislation by a few very wealthy major owners of large oil interests including the Koch Brothers, the other stock holders are fighting back.

Latest clown: John Raese. Who needs a minimum wage? Hey, why don't we make fun of Asian Americans by mis-pronouncing their names. Same with Hispanic Americans.

Raese is celebrating the "rich getting richer" in a very poor state that just doesn't know better. The state is full of older and poorer Americans and they need the state and local governments to survive. Who will they elect?

Posted by: russianthistle | October 14, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what that particular mine was working, CqP, but Chile is home to a major copper-mining industry.

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 14, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning,friends. Yoki, your 5:46 comment made me laugh, and laugh.

Glad you're okay, Ivansmom.

Slyness, haven't got there yet, but getting ready. I'm enjoying it, so far. Glad you're feeling a little better.

CPQ, how you doing?

I'm so happy all the miners got out. I hope they can enjoy their families and just get some much needed rest without being hounded by the media. And certainly hope their future is bright and peaceful.

Have a beautiful day, folks, and love to all.

God is good.

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 14, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

SciTIm -- I know about the copper in Chile. My hometown of GF, MT and Anaconda Copper fizzled away in the 70s and 80s, due to the first globalization move I experienced worked at the smelter, as did my entire neighborhood. And, the snips of copper wire around town that we played with and the spools we made furniture out of...well, good times.....

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 14, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I think that they were mining both copper and gold at that mine. It is interesting that I drove past Anaconda in about 1970 and the landscape was a bit nicer than the mining area in question, but it was out there.

Posted by: russianthistle | October 14, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Weed, much as I enjoy your substantive comments on both computers and the economy, it was your observation about the time of day that really struck a chord this morning. Thanks to the Boy's schedule I get to work by 7:30 a.m. The sun is just about coming up then, and I've been up for a couple of hours. I feel that I've accomplished something just by walking in the door. It is a great way to start the day.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 14, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

RT and Tim: Nostaglia photos on the Anaconda Big Stack

What we squeeze copper out of is so very beautiful: malachine, cuprite, and azurite. Those same hues of blue and green, though, are what color the creeks in the watershed that most gorgeous and yet toxic hue of what the oldsters called "caupper wadder."

Anaconda shut down 30s year ago in September:

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 14, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

This has no relevance to anything but it did make me laugh this morning.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 14, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Who is Michelle Rhee, and what does she do? She seems to be loved by some and hated by others.

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 14, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

She just resigned as the school superintendent in D.C., Cassandra. A thankless job if there ever was one...D.C. schools have had problems for years, nobody has made a dent in there. Ms. Rhee was a high-powered education consultant who took the job three years ago. As anyone in a tough position, she had to make unpopular decisions and has been lauded and reviled for them. Outcome? Not yet known.

Posted by: slyness | October 14, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Boodlies!
Still feel I could use more sleep.
The action has switched to Copiapo´s hospital where the miners are interned, all in good health. One is making good recovery from pneumonia. Several need work on their teeth.

The San Jose mine produced copper and gold.

I will write and post something on the Chilean north soon. What struck me the most in the Atacama desert is that on the hotest day one´s nose feels cold due to the fast evaporation.

Piñera is leaving for Europe tomorrow. What was supposed to have been a low key trip with hardly any mention will probably turn out like a victory lap. Can a pol be luckier than that?

Brag :)

Posted by: Braguine | October 14, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

slyness - I think that has to be the most even-handed description of Michelle Rhee & her tenure that I've heard. Well-done!

Posted by: bobsewell | October 14, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Pinera might need to bring a second plane to carry back all the conrgatulatory stuff to the miners, eh Brag? :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 14, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I note that although there was widespread understanding that Rhee would Have To Go, I have not heard anyone advocate rescinding any of her reforms.

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 14, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I-mom! I just took my lunch break and have to get back in the saddle. A fine lunch it was! Living this week on $20. I made a red sauce w/ a discounted pork tenderloin cut as a meat ingredient. I am using farmers market vegetables where I can. Today, I found a broccoli head that I sauteed in olive oil, a teaspoon of sugar, red pepper flakes and red wine vinegar... along with salt, pepper and oregano. I added the red sauce to that after about 8 minutes and let that go for a while.

Yes sirreee! MMMMMmmm. A nice portion of Parmesan and I am set.

Now, it is a matter of picking between the saddle and the bed for a nap.

Posted by: russianthistle | October 14, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Bob. I doubt she'll have any trouble finding other employment. Anybody hiring for that kind of position will understand what she was up against and what she accomplished. Too bad she couldn't work with the new mayor.

Posted by: slyness | October 14, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

An intern at the Cato Institute did a comprehensive study of the signs at the Teabagger rally where congressmen were spit on and concludes that only *some* of the signs were racist.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I've only paid half-attention to Rhee, but it seems to me that her problems were not so much her reforms, but that she often appeared to be acting unilaterally, and her inexperience in handling press matters was at times glaring. She didn't seem to understand that a little tact can go a long way.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 14, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The link, complete with a gallery proving that there was at least one African-American at the Tea Party not being spit on.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Jonathan Franzen will NOT be winning the National Book Award since he wasn't even nominated. I have to keep up my pace of a minimum of 27 pages a night to make sure I finish 'Freedom' before it is due back at the library.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Just had the whitescreenofdeath gobble a long post about the two mining towns I've lived in ... simply because (I reckon) one of them was called To-H*ll-U-Ride and I neglected to put in the asterisk.

I'll summon the energy one day to recreate it. Grey/gray day here - never can remember which to call it so perhaps Sir Mudge, or someone, will determine that.

CpQ, rainbow darlin'o'boodlers, do take care of yourself, please.

Still doing a happy dance and spinning songs for all in Chile ... if only to entertain myself! *tipping hat and sending thanks again to Brag*

Posted by: talitha1 | October 14, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Generally the last thing I do before hitting "Submit" is Ctrl+A (select all), Ctrl+C (copy). Then if it's gobbled, I can just Ctrl+V (paste) and try, try again.

CpQ, feel better! I'm sending you warm fuzzy thoughts on this dreary day.

We're likely going to be able to finish painting in the master and the kitchen this weekend! Then I can start actually unpacking! Whoo!

The euphoria this brings actually means there's enough warm and fuzzy thoughts for everyone today. :)

Posted by: MoftheMountain | October 14, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Brag, were the rocks the second miner brought up and handed out, real gold nuggets or just fools gold? The MSNBC commentators showed some that looked just like the ones the miner handed out but were fools gold that was ample around the area.

Posted by: bh72 | October 14, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

This song is rolling around my mind today. Guess I'll listen to it in a little while.

"Oh, there's twenty-thousand grandmas
Wave their hankies in the air
All burning up their pensions
And shouting, "It's not fair!"
There's a regiment of soldiers
Standing looking on
And the queen is bravely shouting,
"What the hell is going on?"

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 14, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

In April we had lunch in Telluride but hit a spring snow storm on the way to Silverton. My photos are not online yet. I need to take a week off and just catch up. I tons of pictures from last year at Yellowstone still to upload.

And now I'm going to be humming "They hide it up in Telluride" to myself all day.

I'm too lazy to do your method consistently, but if I hit the back button from the MT error screen, I usually get the comment window back. Then I do a copy, reload to see if the comment did post, and will paste it back in if it hadn't.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Stolen from Celebritology: 15 Scathing Book Reviews.,,20433902,00.html

I've only read 3.1 of them.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

If you are in Atlanta today, the Buffalo Chicken Korean Tacos are back:

///Hankook Taqueria Another two new specials :)

The buffalo style chicken tenders are back... but this time as a glorious sandwich! Topped with toasted sesame horseradish cream, soy sesame salad, jack cheese... yum///

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

yello, I've had a time or two where the text didn't reappear in the comment box so I tend to copy it myself now.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | October 14, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Not to boodlehog even further, but here is a video about a bear who (that?) served in World War II:

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"That." It would be a "who" only if named.


A bear that...
Smokey the Bear, who...

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 14, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Or, in the New York Times, Mr. Ursidae.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 14, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

But what is his middle name?

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Noted without comment:

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 14, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 14, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Some of you may be vaguely aware of my disdain for the question headline (I believe I may have mentioned it in passing). Here's one running at the moment in the photo box that gives me pause: "Shanahan and gold pants
SPORTS BOG | When the Redskins returned home last week, where were their gold pants?"

Am I to believe they flew home bottomless? I am too afeared to click on the link to find out. I have flown on airplanes a number of times, and will attest that it is often cold enough to freeze one's nuggiesd off on an airplane. However, until now, that was only a figure of speech.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 14, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope Brett Favre wasn't around to take pictures.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Mudge... in one of Son of G's design classes last week, he used this dummy text:

Subheads not as important

Posted by: -TBG- | October 14, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I know what you're thinking, but no, #8 isn't a pix of me on a date with Sanaa Lathan. Neither is 15, 23 or 26.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 14, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

However, that is me standing behind the ladder in No. 5.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Son of G gets an A+, TBG. He's a chip off the old (metaphorically speaking) blockette.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 14, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

CqP, talitha meant ... dang, I'm having a kerfludgity day!

"They Hide it All in Telluride" ... yello, you just reminded me! And they DID ... then they took it to Sand Point, Idaho. Who was it (bh?) who'd been there recently, only to get tickets to hear EmmyLou sing?

Back in 1980 I was a'courtin with a man from Sand Point. We'd traveled up through the high Canadian Rockies and down to Victoria BC. Stopped along the beautifully lit waterfront for dinner and a drink and wandered into a place where Maria Muldaur was playing live. *smile*

... later, after a futile search for a good link to my favorite song of her's, "Any Old Time".

"Midnight at the Oasis" seems to be all that's left on free youtube ... so here it is ---

I've been listening to The Band.

Posted by: talitha1 | October 14, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Always wondered about that.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 14, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Smuggler's Blues ...

Posted by: talitha1 | October 14, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The Nut Party is spreading the ridiculous meme that deficit spending cost America jobs. I first heard this from Sen. Burr of N.C., now it's spreading. (shaking my head)

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 14, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Jumper, I think you must have heard wrong. DEMOCRAT deficit spending costs America jobs. REPUBLICAN deficit spending is strategic and creates jobs.

Please make a note of it.

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 14, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

That's because REPUBLICAN deficit spending is based on giving tax cuts to the rich while DEMOCRAT deficit spending is wasted on infrastructure projects.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Infer stucter. Oh, I hate it so much. *Wasting* all my money on bridges I won't even drive on, in Minnesota or Canada or someplace.

Posted by: ScienceTim | October 14, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"Deficits don't matter." Dick Cheyney, ca. 2002.

Posted by: ebtnut | October 14, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Here, talitha.

This is just a few years before Danko died (Richie Manual was already gone, RIP). I can (and have) listened to "The Last Waltz" a thousand times.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 14, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, for those of you who are seriously political people/readers, there's an article in this week's New Yorker by historian Sean Wilnetz that is truly a "must read." It takes the current Tea Party business and Glenn Beck all the way back to their founding roots in the John Birch Society in the 1950s and 1960s, with an interesting analysis about how those early whack jobs were ultimately defeated primarily by William F. Buckley, with assists from Nixon and Reagan, who understood the threat posed by the Birchers to the conserv branch of the GOP. It also lays out the groundwork about where a lot of the current Beckian nonsense comes from, such as the sudden assertion from out of left field (okay, right field) about how America's downfall "all started with Woodrow Wilson." (If you went, "Huh?" I did, too.)

It's long, 6,300 words, but worth it.

A great piece of work, and one which I think may become a seminal turning point:

Confounding Fathers
The Tea Party’s Cold War roots.
by Sean Wilentz October 18, 2010

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 14, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, big ole' hug! Levon Helm is up there (with three others in contention) with Daniel Day-Lewis as my "honey"s of all time!

The Last Waltz, btw, is an iconic vid hereabouts ...
Sister Anslie just sent me a new copy saying, "In case you've worn out your last one"!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 14, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Or, you could skip the New Yorker article and just study this picture:

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 14, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

And in more bear news, Colonel Reb at Ole Miss has been replaced by a bear.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, you aren't implying that because I spend time listening to music that I'm excluded?, that I don't watch and consider? " Meanwhile, for those of you who are seriously political people/readers ...."

Heaven's sake, man! Give a woman a bit of breathing room to read, work and link!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 14, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, I read that piece yesterday, mudge ... very good! Buckley can't run the "party" and Rove hasn't got the kahoochies. K?

Need an elbow patch sewn on?

Posted by: talitha1 | October 14, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I already read it, too. It's a good article but depressed me awfully.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 14, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, my apologies for spouting off at you. I've had the "you're a woman, you can't understand" or "you're an artist, you can't fathom science" THANG thrown at me so many times --- I get my backhairs prickly. It's my prob, not yours.

Just got this vid posted to me - one woman's take on the objectification of women in advertising ... but it also pertains to women, of all ages and educational achievement and accomplishment, who, trying their best to express their comprehension and evaluation of ALL current events and analysis, STILL get dissed.

I adore the differences and sameness between men and women, but still find myself dancing rings around the way society wants to keep us apart. We deal with life's crises through our own lenses. I feel, personally, that (gender bedamned) I'm a valuable boodler. When I read "Meanwhile, those of you who consider ..." it felt like a cut. I consider everything. I love being here because women and men are valued for themselves.

I didn't know there was a criteria for "have you read this yet?" When will the test be administered?

Posted by: talitha1 | October 14, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Mudge was making any judgements, Talitha. I think he was just letting folks know who might enjoy the article the most.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 14, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Talitha, I don't speak for Mudge but I think he was just using a transitional phrase when posting that New Yorker link. I've never know him to be insensitive to women (I think Mrs. Mudge would kick his butt if he dared).

One of the disadvantages of living in a smaller state is having to mute political ads from New Hampshire as well as MA. I'm counting the days til this election cycle is done.

Posted by: badsneakers | October 14, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Jinx! You owe me a coke!

Posted by: -TBG- | October 14, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I'll bring a whole bottle when we see you!

Posted by: badsneakers | October 14, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, TBG and Bad-Keds. I'll buy you both cokes.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | October 14, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Could be worse, badsneaks. You could have to mute ads from Virginia, Maryland, and Washington D.C.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 14, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse the entire history of the Washington Post, I don't think it has ever published as large a steaming pile of horse---- than the "5 Myths About Sarah Palin" now running.

Not surprisingly, it was written by some apparatchik from the (highly) right-wing Weekly Standard, Bill Kristol's rag. I just have to wonder if the op-ed people and Marcus Brauchli have totally lost their minds.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | October 14, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Ummmm... I click on that link and end up at a Broder column, 'Mudge.

Probably a good thing, come to think of it.

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 14, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

The link works for me, Scotty. I only wish it hadn't.

Posted by: -TBG- | October 14, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I tried the home page link...

*gingerly copying the URL to the address window*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 14, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I have inadvertently been coming close to the $15 challenge this week. I decided since I don't have the opportunity for exercise I did before school began, I must eat a lot less. I roasted a chicken for three Sunday, and a steak for two Monday. I've been eating off them the remainder of the week - cold chicken breast for breakfast! The remainder is mainly green chiles, tomatoes, lettuce, salad dressing, fresh corn, squash, grapes & apples. A little butter & cream, salt & pepper, dried fruit.

Please tell me wine doesn't count in the $15 per week.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 14, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't that column have to have one of those "advertorial" disclaimers on it - OMG!

Posted by: dmd3 | October 14, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse



That article spins so much it's gyroscopic...

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 14, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Thank you all for reading it so I don't have to.

Posted by: badsneakers | October 14, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Time for the nip slip.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

A BEAR at Ole Miss? They didn't agree on Admiral Ackbar? Wimps.

Posted by: baldinho | October 14, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Bullet in brain move. Much hospital.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | October 14, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

But wasn't I right? Wasn't that the worst piece of crap you've ever seen in the WaPo? Ever?

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | October 14, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

"This is how he led a nation."

Posted by: -TBG- | October 14, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm with badsneakers. Thanks y'all. My brain hurts enough as it is.

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 14, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Five Blatant And Easily Refuted Spin-Filled Partisan Shills About The Snowbilly Grifter.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Nope, Mudge. Not the worst. Bear in mind that it appears in the "Outlook" section, which hardly restricts itself to gems of journalistic objectivity. But it was definitely spinny, and a disappointing installment of the "Five Myths..." series.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 14, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm enjoying fake twitterer SarrahPalinU5A at

Includes such gems as...

Poor Christine O'Donnell. It must be very embarrassing to be asked a question that makes you look like an idiot.

Some of those Chilean miners are much better looking and lighter skinned than they appeared on the night-vision camera.

We can argue about healthcare and immigration later. Right now we have to do something about this new Gap logo!

Posted by: -TBG- | October 14, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

It may appear in the "Outlook" section in a dead tree version, Bob, but at the moment it is running under the Post: Politics banner on the front page, absent any "Outlook" context. Whether they'll eventually get it off the front pahe over the weekend I dunno, but right now it floats pretty free. It's just out there.

And yes, I, too, had expectations that the "Five Myths" series had some small measure of reportorial objectivity. Another illusion shot to he11.

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | October 14, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Hello boodle. I've been MIA running interference between the dott and her mother-in-law while the much awaited grandchild arrived. I won't say it was a difficult birth, but she was in labor longer than it took to get the miners out and still ended up having a C-section. We now have Sophia Annalie, 9 lbs 2 oz, 20.5 inches long, and just as ugly as one expects with newborns. Being so big she'll at least have the advantage of growing out of that phase quickly.

Forgive me for not back boodling. Will be another day or two before I'm in any semblance of a regular routine. The human shield duties continue.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | October 14, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

For reasons I can't begin to fathom, I took the quiz associated with the "Five Myths", got them all correct (having already read the piece helped a lot), and received the following mathematically-perplexing evaluation:

Your Score in Truth or Myth? The Palin edition is 100%
The average user scored 77%. You are in the 69th percentile.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 14, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Glad to hear the good news, Grandma Frosti!
Hope all continues to go well for mom, baby and the whole family!

Posted by: -TBG- | October 14, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations, Frosti, on becoming a grandmother! I hope everything goes well for the new mama and baby.

Posted by: slyness | October 14, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I got 80% and was in the 48th percentile. I think the quiz uses Palinmatics.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

frosti - Congratulations & best wishes to the new mother. And kudos to you for running interference.

But you know there's an easier way, right?:

Posted by: Bob-S | October 14, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations frostbitten1 from a longtime boddle lurker... :)

Posted by: ra1967 | October 14, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Congrats, frosti! Lovely name - and good to hear that they're doing well. (I had one of those big babies too - so glad the docs realized a C-section was in order quickly.)

Posted by: seasea1 | October 14, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

My grandfather was a PA. coal miner, way back when. I just wanted to put my 2 cents in that he would have been amazed at the technology we have today to get these miners up and out of danger. I'm glad we could. And I'm glad we could help.

Posted by: ra1967 | October 14, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Thank you ra, for delurking and allowing me to imagine myself saying "thank you, Ra" in the voice of Precious Ramotswe.

Bob-S- I thought there was a no Dion rule on this blog. (In deference to the sensibilities of Canuckistani boodlers who are currently too busy apologizing for Bieber)

Posted by: frostbitten1 | October 14, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Congrats on getting a grandcritter. And guard the dott. There should only be one grandmother in the room of a baby at a time. And the maternal one has first dibs.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

There is no way I am clicking on the Dion link.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 14, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations frosti, that is wonderful news. I emphatically agree with Yello about daughter's mothers having first dibs!

Welcome ra!

Posted by: badsneakers | October 14, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Frosti. (if I may be so bold) I got the Bieber reference, (I think,)my son might have a better idea, but I need a reference for "the voice of Precious Ramotswe." :)

Posted by: ra1967 | October 14, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

What about us granddads????

Posted by: Curmudgeon5 | October 14, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Aaahhh, slipped my mind, I probably wasn't directly involved in promulgating that one.

It's a very fine rule, I support it wholly, I shall go forth and sin thusly no more.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 14, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

ra-Not bold at all, and Precious Ramotswe is the protagonist in the #1 Ladies Detective Agency books, set in Botswana.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | October 14, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, a Grand-dad is getting younger all the time... Whilst those of us youngsters continue to age.

Posted by: ra1967 | October 14, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Yay to frostbitten, please congratulate dottir and frostsoninlaw, and also yourself and Mr. F. Job well done.

Howdy to ra1967. I love seeing what brings a lurker to the surface. Babies and miner rescue - a good combination for you! Keep poking out!

Posted by: Ivansmom | October 14, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, I've been around for about 7 years now, if you want to backboodle that far. You folks are the source that keeps some of us (me)hopeful that this democracy can continue to operate. At least at some level. Frosti, I shall look up Alexander McCall Smith on my next trip to the library.

Posted by: ra1967 | October 14, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I lurked for a good while, and had very great reservations about attending my first face-to-face gathering. Most people who know me would not consider me particularly shy, but I wasn't at all confident that I had anything to say that anybody else in the group would find interesting.

Subsequent experience has pretty much confirmed that it was a well-founded fear.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 14, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

But I blather away anyway.

Posted by: Bob-S | October 14, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

RA, so very KING RA of Egyption is a trailer for No 1 LDCLUB. Just try to resist:

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 14, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Bob-S I have it on good authority (don't ask how,) that you've handled yourself very well at the occasional BPH. If I'm ever in D.C. on a BPH night, it would be interesting to find out how long we could be interesting.Without being boring. Too late? Hmmmm.

Posted by: ra1967 | October 14, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Welcome Ra I hope you keep posting.

Update on the story I posted earlier, this headline is just too good to resist.

Posted by: dmd3 | October 14, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

One good way to steal an election would be to suborn the opinion polls. Then, the majority, if led to believe they are a minority, would be less likely to squawk when the election got stolen.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 14, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

RA, this tiny clip include the music and darling cartoon opening sequence....

Back to the nebulizer and meds....better but lying down makes the lungs lay down I get a Barcolounger or LazyBoy? Will return only Slightly Usethed....

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 14, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

CollegeQuaParkian1 Thanks for the trailer; I'm now up to date. (and it's Egyptian by default, I make no claim to the Microsoft or SUN microsystems God of all things.)

Posted by: ra1967 | October 14, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Is it too early to start the music?

Posted by: rickoshea11 | October 14, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

But at least they'll still list "baby seal bashers", won't they?

Posted by: Bob-S | October 14, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Good, RA, and now keep posting as you are now one of the Boodle Street Irregulars....

May I say, before leaving that three things comfort and amaze me:

New fresh and sweet and clinging of the baby that I know of -- oh, Frosti, support the head, as we laughing say to the babby-handling peeps...."SPORT the Head!!!"

Miners UP and OUT: we are fab when we try, the denizonz of this planet.

And, the IT GET'S BETTER CAMPAIGN....Oh, can we be kind sooner? Can we be gentle sooner? We never know the pain of others do we....and, while we are at this, can we accept that junior/senior high as configured now leave so much to be desired!

GaNite Sweet Boodle, let Angles (obtuse and acute, don't ask, don't tell till we are done with that) wing us to OUR BEST.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | October 14, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Good night CollegeQuaParkian1 and I hope I got some of the music right, we did this in college, and it seems to be a great rendition. Jambo Bwana. I hope it's the right sentiment.

Posted by: ra1967 | October 14, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

it's never too early to start the music. this may have been part of the Last Waltz thread. the take on rock of ages is, imo, a lot better.

Posted by: -jack- | October 14, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

hey, ra. glad you came out of the ether.

Posted by: -jack- | October 14, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

They should have checked the poles before floating the stripper job bank idea.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 14, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jack, most of you seem like old friends by now. I've been lurking and posting for some time now, and being one of the mid-west, over educated, unemployed, looking for work folk, I'm interested in what's going on in the rest of the world.

Posted by: ra1967 | October 15, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Good night all, I shall review the WSJ and see if I can add anything to Joel's post later this AM.

Requiescat in pace.


Posted by: ra1967 | October 15, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Hank is a busy boy. His review of the Live 30 Rock is already up.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

You can't really boil down the Tea Party movement better than this song. Think of the things the candidates and supporters all have in common. An in-your-face anger about things, and an unquenched desire to tell you about it.

This is meant in the most positive way. I believe this is the edited version of the lyrics.

Posted by: baldinho | October 15, 2010 6:40 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. We've had a big turnout for the early voting here. I guess I'll try and add to that number today. We're voting for our first African-American sheriff.

Thanks for the information Slyness. She sounds like a tough person to take on that job. In the reports I've read, mostly here at the Post, LIT's assessment is what some people think too. Tact is good, but fails when one is using the axe. Not going to soothe that brow. Even with ice cream, I'm not going to love you if I get a pink slip.

I saw the clip of Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behr leaving the set, and their guest was Bill O'Reilly. I was at my dad's house at the time, and I kept asking him what are they saying and he never did tell me. I think he's losing his hearing too. I did read the article this morning. I figured he had put his foot in his mouth.

Have a fantastic weekend folks, and love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 15, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra!! *HUGSSSSSS*

ra1967!!! *Grover waves*

Grammy Frosti!!! *HUGSSSSSSS*

'Mudge, where'd ya put the bunker's spare exclamation points? I seem to have run out...

*TFSMIF-especially-after-I-get-a-little-more-caffeine Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 15, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all, and happy Friday! Cassandra, good to see you up and going early. I need to do the early voting thing myself, I'll be ensconced in a conference on election day.

Welcome to Ra! It's always good when a lurker comes out of the ether, as Jack says.

A normal busy day ahead. We are having our fall carnival at church this weekend, on Sunday after worship instead of Saturday evening. Hopefully I'll have the energy to make cheese straws to take...barbeque for lunch, then rides and fun for the kids. So onward into the day...

Have a good one, everybody!

Posted by: slyness | October 15, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Good morning all. Welcome Ra.

CqP, so sorry you're under the weather. DC brings home the occasional bug and is so nice to share with me. (Ever notice how they catch something, they're good to go 24 hours later, but when they give it to an adult, it's a good 10 days?)

RoS, good to see you around. How goes it?I'd come to visit, but they haven't come up with a safe way to slip DC a Mickey.

Cassandra, it's not so much that she didn't use tact when firing people, it's that she appeared to leave the Board, principals, parents, etc. out of decision-making processes. Appearances are so important in politics, and people are more likely to go along with a decision they don't like if they believe they were at least listened to. Whether she considered their viewpoints or not, it *seemed* like she didn't. So maybe in a nutshell her issues were that she didn't fully appreciate the political aspects of the job.

Have a very happy day all.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 15, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

In other digging through the earth news, in Switzerland they've broken through on the world's longest tunnel. They've been digging for 14 years and have 7 more to go before the tunnel is complete.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Gut morninckzz, ye Boodlers!

Last night in Copiapo, a religious dancers procession escorted the Virgin of Andacollo statue back to the Church where it normally resides. The statue was at Camp Esperanza.

The parade passed in front of the hospital where the miners are kept. The drumming must have kept everyone awake.

Religious dancing stems from the tribes inhabiting the region. Colorful custumes rival those of the Carnival in Rio.

Brag :)

Posted by: Braguine | October 15, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Morning all... .heading into work today. I was just thinking about the days I work from home, sitting on the couch with my laptop. What would the office of the future be like, with a couch and a laptop? Nice, huh?

Posted by: -TBG- | October 15, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update, Brag. There's no party like a Chilean Miners Got Rescued party.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all....

Continued thanks to Brag, just for being Brag and being there to keep us informed.

Welcome RA, welcome and come in from the cold to the warmth of the boodle circle.

Frosti is a Gramma? Yea!

I want to personally thank Eugene Robinson for his piece this morning, he has saved me a lot of time. I didn't think I wanted to watch some of these people, and his humor as he considers the current crop of candidates soften up things, considerably.

Posted by: VintageLady | October 15, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning, y'all.

Frosti, wonderful news! Beautiful name and a big, happy new person enters this world ... lovely! My best to all.

RA - *hands across the water*

I don't quite know how to apologize for my splurting diatribe yesterday, Mudge. I hope you'll forgive me and accept a hug this morning.

CpQ, hope you're taking good care of yourself ... think of you everyday. I'm moving fabric and yarn around as I reconfigure life. The colors and textures bounce off my hands, into my eyes, sing their songs.

Wishing a good day to all .....

Posted by: talitha1 | October 15, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

scc: CqP

When does "doh" leave and "aware" begin?

Posted by: talitha1 | October 15, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Robinson singles out the cream of the crazy as including Christine O'Donnell, Carl Paladino, Rich Iott, and Sharron Angle. Of these, only Angle really has any shot at actually getting elected. The real problem is that by defining lunacy down, we are risking a doppler shift to the redstate which could make some hitherto nutty ideas palatable to the center.

Posted by: yellojkt | October 15, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if anyone's every tried to point out to today's political fringe that angry people rarely exhibit proper decision-making skills... *shrug*

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 15, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

The Tea Party seems to be less about what you say and more about how you say it.

It remains to be seen if the GOP will regret hitching their wagon to the Tea Party... or more accurately allowing the Tea Party wing of the party to become the lead dog of the pack.

Posted by: baldinho | October 15, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I am *so* glad I backboodled -- how else would I discover that our dear frosti is now a grandmama? Yay frosti! And yay frostidott and yay Sophia!

*faxing the frostfam a generous slab of gravlax*

A shoutout welcome to Ra for delurking. Do enjoy Alexander McCall Smith's books. I adore The #1 Ladies Detective Agency books, myself.

Hey Brag! Have you caught up on your sleep after having been our star international correspondent?

Gotta go. Will catch up later.

Posted by: ftb3 | October 15, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Talitha, don't give it a second thought. Hug accepted and returned twice over.

Cassandra, LiT is correct that one of the main criticisms of Rhee is that she didn't involve parents, teachers (meaning the unions), principals, the board, etc., out of the decision-making process, and it is also true that she sometimes lacked tact -- or not so much lacked it as simply didn't care about it. But the other interpretation of this same idea is that all these people Rhee failed to "consult" were all the people who had previously been running things -- and failing miserably at it. Mayor Fenty didn't bring her in to "make nice" with people, nor to kiss a lot of butt of the various power groups. He brought her in to kick some a-- and take names, and that's what she did. As long as Fenty was in office, he was able to protect her and give her "cover" so she could do her job, which was to try to reform a badly broken (some would say impossible to fix) system. So, yes, when Fenty lost it became obvious Rhee "had to go" -- but the otherside is that if Fenty had won, Rhee would have stayed and continjued to offend all those people who richly deserved offending or ignoring. It was simply a high-risk, high-wire act. And one of the ironies is that Fenty lost the election for basically the same reasons Rhee had to go -- people didn't "like" him and he didn't spend much time kissing butt, either. The difference between Fenty's job and Rhee's is that Fenty's job as mayor was clearly a political one, whereas Rhee's job wasn't nearly as political (which they both understood). If a system is broken and you bring somebody in who is going to be tough and ruthless and whose job description is to be a hard-line reformer, that person MUST surely offend a lot of people and all the major powerbrokers: that's the nature of the job.

The "fault," if there is any, is with the public, not with Fenty or Rhee. It is why this school system -- and every other school system in the country -- can never be fixed. To stay in office you have to kiss the butt of, try to please, and try to work with all the very same power groups that made the system dysfunctional in the first place" the legislatural body in charge, the teachers, the teachers' unions, the parent groups, the curriculum "experts," the education establishment, and the general public.

This is why the Fenty approach -- to bring in a hired gun -- is the only possible method that has a chance of working, but it only works as long as the Fenty person is in office to give the hired gun cover.

What will happen now is that whatever progress Rhee had made will slowly sink back into the sea like a sand castle, and she will go on to a new school system somewhere else and proceed to kick butt and reform somebody else's system, not DC's.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | October 15, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Last night I rnjoyed a nine hour non-stopper, creative sleep. Nevertheless, I still feel a bit woozie.

Brag :)

Posted by: Braguine | October 15, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday, President Piñera invited the miners to a futbol game against a government team. The prize, winner gets to remain presidential palace.

This morning, Prime Minister Hinzpeter remarked, "If they win, the miners will wish they were back at the mine."

Hinzpeter temporarily assumes the presidency today as Piñera leaves the country.

Piñera´s trip to Europe been scheduled some time ago and before the rescue, it seemed he would have to cancel it.

The importance of this trip has changed and his schedule altered from sort of low key visit to celebrety tour. First known change, Queen Elizabeth II has invited Piñera to visit her at the Buck House.

Brag :)

Posted by: Braguine | October 15, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Random thoughts on my way out the door to work - Gene Robinson is so right. I avoid listening to stuff from these lunatics but every now and then I stumble on something and they all sound alike, as if they all have the same coach giving them the talking points they are obviously reading or have memorized.

Brag, it must be wonderful to be in a country under the spell of such joy and celebration. Beats what's going on here.

Busy day ahead after work. Dinner and dancing lessons, hope my legs are still working! Have a great day everybody!

Posted by: badsneakers | October 15, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Random thoughts on my way out the door to work - Gene Robinson is so right. I avoid listening to stuff from these lunatics but every now and then I stumble on something and they all sound alike, as if they all have the same coach giving them the talking points they are obviously reading or have memorized.

Brag, it must be wonderful to be in a country under the spell of such joy and celebration. Beats what's going on here.

Busy day ahead after work. Dinner and dancing lessons, hope my legs are still working! Have a great day everybody!

Posted by: badsneakers | October 15, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Woo-hoo, mudge! I agree with your assessment of the Rhee-Fenty vs entrenched DC "school system" wholeheartedly! I may live in the hinterland of the Shenandoah now, but I raised a son in DC --- right on!

Posted by: talitha1 | October 15, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I agree with a lot of that Mudge, but not all. You can kick butt and take names, and if you do it right, people will line up in an orderly fashion for the butt-kicking and think it was all their idea. And while some of those people you mentioned were in fact part of the problem, not all of them were, and some of both groups could have been made part of the solution. I'm not saying she should have been kissing babies and butts, but she could have at least paid lip-service to the fact that it's a public school system, not her private dominion. Kid gloves can be used to bring people on board, and they also do a decent job of leaving a stinging red mark across someone's face.

Posted by: LostInThought | October 15, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure if I should point this out to yello, but he's probably already seen it anyway:


Posted by: Scottynuke | October 15, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Or perhaps this gallery is a better link:


Posted by: Scottynuke | October 15, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Congrats, frosti!

Welcome, Ra!

Here's a thought. Since presumptive Mayor Gray says that school reforms will continue, could the meeting with Rhee have gone like this:

VG: You know, Michelle, I said all those bad things about you in order to get elected. I really do believe in what you're doing.

MR: ?!?

VG: But since I said them, you simply have to go. I have to save face with the voters, you see.

SciTim made a great comment yesterday on an opinion piece that said Rhee only tried to change one cause of student performance, the teachers, ignoring poverty and parental neglect. He (rightly, in my opinion) said that (and I paraphrase) duh! It is the only thing within her power TO change.

Posted by: Raysmom | October 15, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Raysmom! *waving* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | October 15, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Mudge is likely spot on with Rhee. There are times where, as a follow-up to an earlier song I suggested, you NEED to put someone in charge who is a bit of an arse. Battling entrenched school and/or city bureaucrats is sometimes one of those situations.

I lived near NYC when Giuliani came in and was in his heyday. He was as big an arse as you could realistically be... but he was just what NYC needed at the time.

The whole arse MO gets old, to be sure. It often doesn't translate to bigger ponds or national stages.

The Tea Party could change that thinking of mine, though.

New kit.

Posted by: baldinho | October 15, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link, yellojkt. Can't help but compare the Swiss to our geniuses in NJ. Sigh.

I learned two things yesterday. One is that I should warm up before doing curls after a long time not lifting. My elbows are about to kill me. The second is that I can complete my exercycle time without fretting if I do the sudoku while pedaling. So that's what I will do from now on. So now off to solve the puzzle, and oh, yeah, almost forgot, pedal.

Posted by: Jumper1 | October 15, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Lit and Mudge

All things being equal,and we know they're not, it seems Rhee was there to do a job no one else wanted or pretended to want, and that was helping students to achieve their educational goals. I don't doubt she offended a lot of people because straight talk offends a whole lot of people. She had one goal in mind, helping students, and when one works with children or for the interest of children, there are always stumbling blocks and hurdles to cross, many of them claiming to be team members in this work and not really that.

Rhee probably needed a PR team to do that job, someone to make nice with the players while she played iron man. No one wants to be considered part of the problem and sometimes they are. The status quo lives and breathes politics, but politics in a broken down school system doesn't bring test scores up nor does it make the lives of those under its rule necessarily better. The people in charge may feel nice and warm but the kids not going to see any real change except with serious hands on work.

Is this school system really as broken as implied here?

Posted by: cmyth4u | October 15, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

New Kit!

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | October 15, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

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