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By Joel Achenbach

In 2006 the voters threw the bums out. In 2008 they threw the bums out. In 2010 they threw the bums out. I have a prediction for 2012: They will throw the bums out.

Except Obama, who, despite all the snippety commentary, will likely win reelection. This is because Obama does not have to write an op-ed to get his voice heard, the way Mitt Romney did yesterday. He doesn't have to go on Fox like Newt Gingrich did last night. He's the president of the United States and has enormous power to set the agenda, command attention, get 100 reporters in a room. So maybe he doesn't fill an arena like he used to. He can't count on novelty, hope, change you can believe in and Obamamania anymore. But he's still the big player on the political stage, and when he looks at, say, Tim Pawlenty, he probably says to himself what Stalin said about the Pope: How many divisions does he have?

Of course, nothing is determined in American politics. A little more than two years ago we had barely heard of Sarah Palin and there was no such thing as a Tea Party movement. Things can change fast in a media-saturated society. Jerry Brown is governor of California again, and I'm thinking Fritz Mondale may make another run at the presidency.

One of the recurring themes in recent political discourse (I want to use the word tropes here, but it does not flow naturally from my pen) is that government is depriving us of our freedoms. Apparently, we basically are living in the Soviet Union. You can't walk down the street without feeling oppressed by the federal government. Like the parkway near my house where they're using stimulus money to fix up the streetlights: Whenever I drive down that road I feel like I'm living through Darkness At Noon.

And what about taxes! Obama wants to raise taxes. Not on me, mind you, and not on most people I know. But the fact that he wants to raise the marginal rate to, like, 39.6 percent on income over $250,000 brings to mind Mao and the Cultural Revolution. Why not just send us all to re-education camps???

George Will today quotes a George Mason University professor who tells us why liberalism is to be abhorred:

"These ideas," Boudreaux says, "are almost exclusively about how other people should live their lives. These are ideas about how one group of people (the politically successful) should engineer everyone else's contracts, social relations, diets, habits, and even moral sentiments." Liberalism's ideas are "about replacing an unimaginably large multitude of diverse and competing ideas... with a relatively paltry set of 'Big Ideas' that are politically selected, centrally imposed, and enforced by government, not by the natural give, take and compromise of the everyday interactions of millions of people."

Like I'm at Safeway? Picking out cereal? Federal government guy says: "Buy one with more fiber."

I hate the way, when you go to the suburbs, to where the mall used to be, there are no more stores, just federal dispensaries with the long lines.

Man, I miss freedom.

By Joel Achenbach  | November 4, 2010; 7:37 AM ET
 
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From your pen? You have a digital pen? I have one I got from my Mom a year ago, but I haven't opened the box -- looks like too much learning curve. Good for you, Joel!

Regarding this comment: "Why not just send us all to re-education camps???" I think it's misplaced. So far as I can tell, many, many people did not get much education in the first place, so I think it's incorrect to suggest that we'd be doing it again (for the very first time).

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 4, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I have always been awe-struck by the ability of -- well, I can't keep a straight face calling them "conservatives", since they have no conception of cautious incrementalism, so I'll have to call them radical right-wingers -- anyway, I'm amazed and in awe of their ability to sell the notion that Democrats, the party of liberalism, the party that perennially disagrees in public about its own platform and policies, the party that wants to limit government intrusion into speech and religion, that this party has one narrow party line with dire consequences for any who stray from it.

Meanwhile, the Republicans and their Useful Idiots in the Tea Party are the party of talking points, the party of staying "on-message", the party that dubs any deviant from the most conservative elements of its platform as a RINO, the party that takes chairmanships away from its more independent-minded members, the party that favors secretive spending of vast corporate wealth on misleading ads that, among other things, urge ethnic groups not to vote at all. This is supposed to be the party of free speech and the free flow of ideas.

Right. Got it.

Say, Mr. Republican, where are you going after the election? "I'm going to Orwell Land!" Ha-ha, Mr. Republican! You're such a kidder! 'Cause you're already there. You don't have to go anywhere at all.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 4, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

For some real fun, go to Mitt Romney's stump speech, er, editorial from yesterday's WaPo and find the most banal and/or wrong-headed thing in it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/02/AR2010110205271.html

I'll wait. It's a pretty target rich environment.

Okay. Here is my nominee:

"Spending, Mr. President, is what threatens America's economy, not tax cuts."

Real incisive there, Mitt. I can't wait until you strap the dog on the roof for your barnstorming trip across Iowa.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I have always been awe-struck by the ability of -- well, I can't keep a straight face calling them "conservatives", since they have no conception of cautious incrementalism, so I'll have to call them radical right-wingers -- anyway, I'm amazed and in awe of their ability to sell the notion that Democrats, the party of liberalism, the party that perennially disagrees in public about its own platform and policies, the party that wants to limit government intrusion into speech and religion, that this party has one narrow party line with dire consequences for any who stray from it.

Meanwhile, the Republicans and their Useful Idiots in the Tea Party are the party of talking points, the party of staying "on-message", the party that dubs any deviant from the most conservative elements of its platform as a RINO, the party that takes chairmanships away from its more independent-minded members, the party that favors secretive spending of vast corporate wealth on misleading ads that, among other things, urge ethnic groups not to vote at all. This is supposed to be the party of free speech and the free flow of ideas.

Right. Got it.

Say, Mr. Republican, where are you going after the election? "I'm going to Orwell Land!" Ha-ha, Mr. Republican! You're such a kidder! 'Cause you're already there. You don't have to go anywhere at all.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 4, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Oops, sorry about that. Moveable Type problems.

For a more lofty set of thoughts, you could try checking in on this NASA TV video channel: http://WWW.USTREAM.TV/NASAJPL2

The EPOXI mission is about to execute its final mission activity, the flyby of comet 103P/Hartley 2. Word is, we are about 15 minutes from closest approach. Images will continue to flow from the spacecraft for several hours after the encounter.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 4, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

SciTim,
Doublethink may have been invented by George Orwell, but it was perfected by Lee Atwater and Karl Rove.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Tim, Tim, Tim. Joel was being literary and metaphorical when he said "pen." Jeez, everybody knows that.

He writes with a pencil. #2 Ticonderoga, I believe.

I'm all in favor of education camps. But I think the big mistake a lot of totalitarian regimes is how they marketed them. I mean, just look at the Soviet Union: where'd they put all their re-education camps? Siberia! Who in his right mind wants to be re-educated in Siberia? How wack is that? And did you ever notice how few Bo Jangles there were in the Gulag? Not a sign of a Tim Horton's anywhere. Frankly, I blame Trotsky. That man did NOT know how to run an exhile program.

Crimea. That's where they should have put those people. It's much warmer there, and you could go swimming. Also, they needed to make a rule: no eyeballs in the soup.

And China! I have freaking idea what Mao and his peeps could have been thinking. You take a bunch of highly trained technical and professional types and send them out to the villages to plant and harvest rice. Well, hell, anybody can plant and harvest rice. What the technical and professional peeps in China needed were more and better laptops. Wii. Wifi. Starbucks. Outward Bound team-building seminars. Management by Objective classes, during which productivity is decreased by 40 percent due to committee meanings about deciding metrics measuring lost productivity. Also, having people sit in chilly meeting rooms sipping tea and trying to think of 10 goals for the ccoming year. (Goal #1: Avoid execution for deviant bourgeoisie behavior; #2: Achieve subsistence level nutrition; #3: harvest more rice; #4 Try to get out of China, attend UCLA, become CDGI programmer for George Lucas; #5...)

I think the first thing to do with a good re-education camp is to give it a cathcy Indian name, like Camp Wee-wee-Ogo-Labamba or something like that. Second, offer canoeing. Third: campfires with lots of S'mores.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

One minute to closest approach!

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 4, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I always get my fingers stuck together on EPOXI missions.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

In the control room, I just spotted one half of the audience for the very first public performance of Hotel Mauna Kea. The other guy is in Hawaii, probably working tonight.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 4, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

And... now we're outbound from closest approach.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 4, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I am slowly compiling a list of alleged truisms about human thought. (As, opposed to, you know, cat thought.) Anyway, one of my favorites is that the more vague and blurry a concept is, the easier it is to generate enthusiasm. Politicians have always known this, and the Right has a special genius for it.

I mean, remember Beck's Rally? It was about, what, Honor and Freedom I think? It's easy to get worked up over Honor and Freedom, or the alleged lack of it. But the devil is in the details.

And that's where another truism comes in. If you can find enough specific examples of something while ignoring counter-examples, people will believe just about anything.

For example, this banning of Happy Meal Toys in San Francisco is bound to get a huge, huge amount of play because of the assertion that it is an example of "Nanny State" thinking. (Which I kinda think it is.) I have no doubt that this specific policy will be equated with a generalized hatred of Freedom by all progressives everywhere.

This kind of thinking isn't fair, of course. But, good golly, it can be effective.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 4, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Sure, sure, on to New Hampshire.

http://www.wmur.com/election-results/25554510/detail.html

In the New Hampshire House races...for the 1st Congressional District, Republican Frank Guinta won by a comfortable margin over his Democratic opponent Carol Shea-Porter. In the Second Congressional District Republican Charlie Bass pulled off a sqeaker over his Democratic opponent Annie Kuster.

And in case you didn't notice...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/01/AR2010110105177.html

Palin-backed and conservative former atorney general Kelly Ayotte pulled off a win against Democratic Paul Hodes to keep the seat in Republican hands--it was formerly the seat held by Republican Judd Gregg. The only major Democratic win in New Hampshire in this past week's election was the governor's set--Democrat John Lynch beat out Republican John Stephen.

As far as Cousin Mitt, mind the words that I plucked from Heilemann and Halperin when they were in Austin this past spring. If Republican follow the law of primogeniture, it'll be Romney or Palin. If Republicans go for another candidate, well, it depends on the candidate.

New Hampshire may continue to trend Republican. Who knows? Much depends not on Obama's ideology the next two years, but more likely his performance--as well as the economy's performance, not to mention the performance of a Republican-controlled House and Boehner. Will we have another change election, the fourth, in 2012?

Posted by: laloomis | November 4, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Looks like close images of the comet will start shortly after 11 am (eastern).

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | November 4, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Clear skys with bright stars here on the left coast @ 7:00 AM but pitch dark without a moon. I don't know how the sixth grader across the way makes his way down the hill the catch the school bus at 6:55 every morning.
Where's daylight savings time when we need it?

Posted by: bh72 | November 4, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

10:09, happiness. The spacecraft survived, gobs of data being downloaded. Time for a break.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | November 4, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Jerry Brown and Fritz Mondale, why not put a proven performer back in office? Elvis isn't available, of course, but another Clinton is.

Obama's may have a hope of retaining his seat if he chucks Biden and brings Hillary on the ticket in the veep position. Of course, Halperin has already talked about this--didn't Milbank write about it in just the past week?

Posted by: laloomis | November 4, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Daylight Saving(s) Time ends this Sunday morning. Pushing it into November was another weird simplistic solution to a non-existent problem.

I remember my wife taking an entire day to drive my son around to every Mickey Dees in the greater Bawlmer area to collect all the different Pokeballs. The happiest day in my life was his saying, "Daddy, I don't like McDonalds any more."

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Republicans have convinced themselves and much of the American public that the Affordable Care Act will bankrupt the government, ruin most Americans' health care, and destroy everyone's God-given right to do without health insurance (I think that's related to an ingrained belief that if you really need health care, you can just go to the emergency room and they'll take care of everything).

It's impossible to reconcile that view with the notion that the Act is essential to save money, to keep Medicare solvent, and to keep people from having to do without badly-needed health care (see op-ed piece in today's Other Newspaper).

Same goes for short-term economic stimulus, taxes for overpaid executives, climate change, perhaps even arsenic in the drinking water. I'd argue that the Wall Street Journal has created a fantasy world, but an awful lot of people believe every bit of that stuff. I can't afford to buy them subscriptions to the Economist or Financial Times or WP or NYT.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | November 4, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I think the banning of Happy Meal toys in S.F. was a gay thing, Padouk. You should have seen some of those toys.

Okay, moving right along. In a perverse and mean-spirited sort of way (I have no idea why two days after that election I am feeling perverse and mean-spirited, perky soul that I usually am) I think Obama and the Dems ought to do EXACTLY what the Gop and TPers want -- and I mean EXACTLY. They want limited government? Hey, I say give them folks limited government. Let's close down all the various and sundry federal offices like the FBI and EPA and OSHA in the middle two-thirds of the country, and transfer those personnel to the East and West Coasts. Meat inspectors in the midwest? Yank 'em. Farm subsidies? You don't want farm subsidies? Okay!! Have I got a deal for you! No more farm subsidies, buddy. Take THAT to your freaking Iowa caucus. The federal government practically subsidizes Alaska, which gets back three time more money from the feds that it contributes. So you don't want to live in the Mommy State, Ms. Palin? Fine. We can make that happen.

You wanna drill in the ANWAR? Knock yourselves out. Kill every freaking polar bear and elk from Fairbanks to Nome.

Just think of the money we'd save! Obama could really slash the budget. I say we make Medicare and Social Security voluntary for each and every Republican. Give the Tea Party exactly what it wants.

No more money for roads. Screw the delapidated bridges. No money for education (hey, they want to close down the Department of Education? I say go for it. Downsize that DOEd so it only has to look out for New England and the Mid-Atlantic down to Maryland (but not Virginia, except maybe NoVa), the upper midwest, and the Pacific rim states 9except, of course, Alaska).

I say we take the District of Columbia and NoVa, amalgamate them and give them statehood, and bring them into the federal system. The rest of Virginia can have George Allen and Bob McDonnell, and no federal money, if that's what they say they want. Fine.

While we're at it, let's strip the middle of the country of all those military bases. We should move them to the periphery, which is where they get shipped to anyway before they go overseas. What the hell do we need an AFB in freaking Texas for? They gotta fly halfway across the country before they leave U.S. airspace. Let's put 'em all in Oregon and Maine and Hawaii, all our outer lands, where they'll be closer to the action. And we'll save transportation costs, too, putting them much closer to the oceans.

I say we do it. Kiss all their sorry GOP asses goodbye, and reduce all our taxes on the savings.

I think this may fall under "Be careful what you wish for."

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Talk of re-education camps always gets me humming 'Redland' by The Waitresses:

I'll be glad when the flag goes up
We'll sing new songs and invent new slogans
There'll be a party and we'll burn the old pictures
I'll finally have some fun

I'll be glad when the flag goes up
New uniforms if they know my sizes
I'll make new friends when I go to the meetings
It won't be better but I'll settle for different

Redland, red
And my house is burning
Redland, red
What took you so long
Well it really won't matter (when it's)
Redland, Redland everywhere

I'll be glad when the flag goes up
It will be clearer what is right and wrong
I don't care about the leaders and the theories
But I know I'd just like a change

I'll be glad when the flag goes up
There'll be new names for the streets and the cities
Study the lives of the great new heroes
I won't be happy but I'll be relieved

Redland, red
And my house is burning
Redland, red
What took you so long
Well it really won't matter (when it's)
Redland, Redland everywhere

http://bit.ly/ask5l5

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Book your N.H. hotel rooms for the primary race now, JA...

I mean, you only have what, 6 weeks before kickiff?

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 4, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

SCC: kickoff...

I blame the work laptop's keyboard.

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 4, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Remember teeny beanie baby mania? *shudder* My sister decided to collect beanie babies in the middle of all that hype, and there were lines out of the door for some of the toys on the day the promotion started. People were buying Happy Meals by the dozen and throwing away the food so they could go sell the toys on eBay. Insanity.

I much prefer Chik-fil-A's toys. You can get cool stuff like critter identification cards, bug boxes and magnifying lenses.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | November 4, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

MotM,
It must have been teenie beanies that my family went hunting. We did collect all the pokeballs too. We still have a hutch full of beanie babies, all with their tags, some in special collector display cases. Every time I suggest putting the whole lot on eBay to pay for the next semester of tuition, I am met with snorts of derision.

What? I thought that was the plan.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm so old that I remember tin whistles and magnifying glasses in Cracker Jacks. Teeny beanie babies in happymeals?

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

They were delicious.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Tim,

Your 9:41 (or 9:42) is a little bit disingenuous. A favorite trope on the Boodle seems to be "because a portion of the Republican Party is comprised of idiots, then virtually everything else they say is without merit." Just because Dennis Kucinich is a Democrat, doesn't make everything that Barack Obama says unreasonable. Just because it's the village idiot who comes to tell you your house is on fire, doesn't make it untrue.

I certainly haven't witnessed much "cautious incrementalism" within the Democratic party during the past couple of years. There certainly was no effort at compromise (by either party) during the '08-'10 period. And I think the committee chairmanship quip is just a red herring. Joe Lieberman, anyone? How do you think that Nancy Pelosi was effective at her job. It was with threats and coercion, not tea and cookies. That's politics. And for the record, the Democrat-leaning organizations outspent the Republican-leaning orgs in my state of Colorado on 527-type ads this election cycle. If you think that corporate money only influences Republican politics, you are absolutely mistaken.

The Republican Party is a very troubled organization. The influence of Palin and the Tea Party is a net negative, but the original intent of the Tea Party (before it got Foxified) was pretty pure--eliminate the deficit and reduce government spending. But the troubles of the Republican Party are emblematic of the broken, American, two-party system. There are just as many problems in the Democratic Party, and any solution to "what's ailing" this country is without question going to be the result of input from both parties and the broader spectrum of ideas. There is not a Democratic monopoly on political and policy wisdom.

Posted by: Awal | November 4, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

That rant deserves to be spread all over the Internet, mudge.

Yello, last time I checked the prices were low, but ymmv.

We have a big implementation this weekend and next week, so I'll basically be working 24/7 until I go on vacation next Wednesday. My original vacation was scheduled for last July's implementation, so they can't ask me to switch again. We all plan vacations far away from implementation dates, then the idates get moved back.

So I'll be on call at a private beach in Ft. Lauderdale instead of here. I can live with that.

Did anyone link to the NYT article on how the Republicans started planning 2 years ago? I guess they think the end justifies the means.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/us/politics/04campaign.html?_r=1&hp

Posted by: -dbG- | November 4, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Very nice rant, Mudge. A significant number of people here feel they pay too much in taxes (not true, statistically speaking). I no longer argue. Instead, I encourage them to choose the programs from which they'll no longer benefit when we reduce or eliminate their tax burden. Police protection? Fire protection? Utilities? Car tags and drivers' licenses? Roads and bridges -- oops, no taxes, no driving for you. Public education? Ambulance service (unless you pay for a private service)? Public transportation? The list goes on and on. The key is you must give up something you use. If you don't have kids in public school or use public transit, then you don't get to choose those benefits. It is odd, but people don't seem to be enthusiastic about my offer when I spell it out.

The Boy had lots of beanie babies. Our only rule was to rip off the tags and play with them. They are still in a basket somewhere. They make excellent soft-toss projectiles for catch or similar games. And, as yello says, tasty.

Nice song.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 4, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

You had tin whistles and magnifying glass? We were so poor we had to use cardboard whistles, which got all soggy after only two or three uses, and then instead of a whistle sound they just flapped and made a farting sound. And we couldn't afford magnifying glass, so we just used scraps of cellophane and wrote bigger. Then we'd hold the cellophane over the bigger letters. On a really good day we'd use Saran Wrap, if we could find it in the landfill.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

You had a landfill?

Posted by: -dbG- | November 4, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

You had cardboard and cellophane? We were so poor we only had tree bark. When we were lucky there was nice bendy cottonwood bark, but mostly it was that chunky oak stuff, which kept crumbling. Instead of cellophane we had wax paper. Eventually the paper would turn white where our lips pressed, then the white prints would rip into little holes.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 4, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

We were so poor we hired ourselves out to be whistles for the rich folk. Sometimes, when the feeling took them, they would give us an extra penny to scrape their feet.

Posted by: veritasinmedium | November 4, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Yaawp, yello! Were extra packets of ketchup required? (I never did understand the Beanie Baby phenom.)
___________

Wow, SciTim ... thanks for cluing us into the comet link! The pix they just broadcast are amazing and it's so much fun to overhear the scientists and to read the dialogue of the viewers watching.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

When I worked at McDonald's we didn't offer fancy shmancy Happy Meal toys. The wee ones just got a cheesy Ronald McDonald hand-puppet. And they were happy fer it.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 4, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I hate the brutal dictatorial federal beast forcing food manufacturers to label what they sell, and not use toxic ingredients. It's my God given right to not know what i'm buying. And those totalitarians who think we should be forced to have lunch breaks, safe working conditions, and reasonable pay. Dictatorship!

how i long the freedom of the 1830s.

Posted by: John1263 | November 4, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

John1263,

That dang Upton Sinclair ruined it for everybody. And don't get me started on those pesky child labor laws. I let a lot of good money slip through my fingers.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Achenbach advises the President that his office makes him immune from a real contest in 2012.

With friends like this, the President doesn't need enemies.

Posted by: jfv123 | November 4, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

In my youth, I wore a lot of those wrap-around cardboard Burger King crowns. That was back when the Hamburglar was ubiquitous on Saturday morning commercials. I guess he became politically incorrect along with the Frito Bandito.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

>>>>> I remember my wife taking an entire day to drive my son around to every Mickey Dees in the greater Bawlmer area to collect all the different Pokeballs. The happiest day in my life was his saying, "Daddy, I don't like McDonalds any more." <<<<<

Man, I could have sworn it was Burger King that gave out the pokeballs.

And yes, it is truly Orwellian that the party that wants to tell tell women whether they can have an abortion, and tell the rest of us whether we are allowed to masturbate, much less choose our religion or who we want to marry, that they are opposed to government telling people how to live their lives. Apparently, they are fine with government telling us how to live our personal lives as long as it keeps its nose out of our economic lives by reducing taxes and allowing employers to pollute the environment and abuse workers without restriction.

Posted by: taxguru | November 4, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I'll disagree with disingenuous, Awal.

(1) I never claimed the Democrats to be cautious incrementalists. I claimed that that is what recognizable conservatism is -- it conserves what hasn't got us into too much hot water, yet, so that we can take a reasoned and careful path to the future. In principle. That is certainly very far from what self-described "conservatives" say today, or for the past 20 years.

(2) There are no DINO's, only RINO's.

(3) Lieberman chose to leave the Democratic party himself. That makes his status within the Democratic caucus a matter of sufferance.

(4) I am specifically thinking of when the Republicans came into full power under Bush and bypassed Senators with substantial seniority in order to get young firebrands as committee chairman, and not by onesies and twosies.

(5) I capitalized Useful Idiot because it is not merely an insult to intelligence -- it is a specific political reference to persons who think they are forward thinkers, but in fact are the witless tools of powers they do not comprehend and which consider them contemptible. I refer you to the Wikipedia entry on the subject.

(6) If you witnessed no attempts at compromise in '08-'10, then you must have been working hard to see nothing, like Sgt. Schultz. The Democratic leadership courted Republicans for input on health care -- which resulted in delaying the creation of a bill until after Democrats lost their filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, and which substantially weakened the ultimate bill to the point that the reason why much of the Democratic party dislikes the bill now is because it is too Republican for their tastes. And after all that, after accepting harsh criticism from their own people, after weakening the bill from what it should have been, after groveling on the floor to beg some compromise and cooperation, the Democrats who extended the olive branch were abandoned by the Republicans who had supposedly been working with them, who suddenly discovered that the policies they themselves had suggested a few years earlier was just too dang radically leftist for them.

Whew.

(7) I keep hearing about how the Tea Party was originally all about fiscal conservatism and repudiating wasteful policies of both parties. Understanding that the name "Tea Party" did not come into existence until later, I still have to say -- funny, I don't remember one tiny little bit of that repudiation being aired publicly before we had a black Democrat in the Presidency, and I especially don't recall any of it in 2002, 2004, or even in 2006, when those principled folks had the opportunity to repudiate those policies, but didn't. The story of the pure and sinless genesis of the Tea Party sounds a whole lot to me like what I've heard from some other earnest and well-meaning folks -- that it is purely a modern posture to imagine that the Civil War was about slavery, when it was really about a principled stand on the subject of States' Rights.

Yeah. Sure.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 4, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Well said, ScienceTim.

Posted by: veritasinmedium | November 4, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Front Page Alert.

How's the bunker? Any BBQ left?

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps some of you may be interested in this, a European import here. :-)

http://wiki.piratepartyofcanada.com/index.php/User:JeffColeman

Posted by: dmd3 | November 4, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

In all of the inane posts I've read about Obama's alleged threat to freedom - seems like thousands - not one has ever actually identified the freedom that was under assault.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | November 4, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

According to the Washington Post: "If President Obama, his weakened Democratic allies and a resurgent Republican Party cannot find a way to work together, taxes will rise sharply in January for virtually every American taxpayer, . . ."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/03/AR2010110306014.html

So how is it that Achenbach doesn't know anybody who won't see their taxes being increased? Is he lying or just plain stupid?

Posted by: alvint | November 4, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

hey, Joel, maybe Oprah will get us free trips to New Hampshire!

If that fails, we could ask Sciencetim to pen a government grant application (using a fountain pen, of course - that would add verisimilitude or something) requisting airfare and lodging to NH for a study of "Total Crassness and How it Affects the Body Politic?'

Pack your bags.

Posted by: bmschumacher | November 4, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

It's probably helpful to identify terms in any argument, but especially if arguing with a conservative. When a conservative talks about 'freedom' it isn't generally personal freedom they are referring to - like freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, etc.

They mean CORPORATE freedom: freedom from consumer protection laws, freedom from worker health and protection laws, freedom from financial regulations & taxes, and freedom from environmental laws.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | November 4, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse


Freedoms that I have lost in my lifetime.

Freedom to drive a car sans seatbelt.

Freedom to ride a motorcylce without helmet.

Freedom to light a fire in my fireplace whenever I want.

Soon to go. The freedom to go without health insurance.

Posted by: edbyronadams | November 4, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

We ARE living in the "soviet Union".

We are living in a totalitarian state with no rights when a private property owner can't put a $50 wooden foot bridge over a small stream on the back of his property, that nobody else can see, with zero impact on the hydrology and ecology of the area, without first paying a minimum of a $200 fee and filing 4 pages of paperwork to request permission to do so.

We are living in a totalitarian state when you can't choose to not buckle your seatbelt without being pulled over and fined.

We are living in a totalitarian state when you can't, on pain of massive fines, imprisonment, and disenfrancisment, grow or smoke a plant that is less dangerous socially and biologically than the alcohol and tobacco we can legally use.

We are living in a totalitarian state when we don't have a choice about participating in retirement insurance (SS), car insurance, health insurance, contributing to TARP, or not being given thousands of dollars for wise home ownership over people who were just plain stupid and greedy.

When you happen to have a job, you happen to be among the "Haves", you happen to have an annual income over $250,000; you can afford to have blinders on and see the world through rose-colored glasses.

Posted by: mhoust | November 4, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

SciTim,

Some dissent on items 2) and 3)

There are plenty of DINOs. Joe Lieberman is probably the most famous one. He had to run as an independent because he got outflanked on the left in a primary much like the inverse of the Miller/Murkowski fiasco in Alaska. He still caucuses with the Democrats for committee assignments, but he would be ripe to switch sides if the Senate were just a wee bit closer.

Some DINOs called themselves Blue Dogs and were very proud of partnering with Republicans when not it power. Half of them got defeated this year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DINO

As for items 6) and 7), I can only applaud your insightfulness. The pursuit of bipartisan compromise where none was needed severely crippled the health care bill, although some of that was posturing to appease DINOs, particularly Blanche Lincoln who was instrumental in killing the public option from the Senate version, and hence the final bill. Despite this, she too was defeated in this round of elections, so arguably not a strong loss to the Democrats.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

A Republican tsunami, they say?

Has no-one remembered that tsunamis tend to recede pretty quickly, leaving a trail of destructions as they go?

Posted by: strum | November 4, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

When President Obama was elected an article appeared in the Washington Post by someone who said that he saw Socialism coming our way and that it was great. He welcomed what he saw was President Obama's embrace of many Socialist ideas. In two years the American people have said "nuts" to those ideas. President Obama's reelection chances depend on whether or not he got that message.

Posted by: bobbo2 | November 4, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

One of my cousins posted this on Facebook.

"Look, we're living the Star Wars trilogy right now. In 2008, we had "A
New Hope." In 2010, the Empire struck back. Which just means, in 2012,
we're going to see the Return of the Jedi, which is awesome, but it also
means we're going to be knee-deep in Ewoks by the Iowa caucuses.”"

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 4, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh, John! The 1830's were great! The Trail of Tears, when we could just push Indian tribes all over the place! It was the first time I could run away and join the French Foreign Legion to forget a doomed love affair. Nat Turner's Rebellion (that madcap!). Darwin took a Carnival Cruise Line trip to the Galapagos (I think it was aboard the Princess Beagle, but I could be wrong). I helped Clauswitz by copy editing his book. A major cholera outbreak in London (I thought of writing a novel called Tea and Crumpets in the Time of Cholera, about a callow young ink-stained wretch [not unlike myself] who waited 51 years, 4 months and 11 days for a serving wench to bring him a flagon of sherry). Jeremy Bentham gives his all to taxidermy. I drew up the and edited the paperwork for Lew Cass and Sol Sibley so we could kick the Potowatomi and Ojibwe off the site of the charred ruins of Fort Dearborn so we could build a town there (I wanted to call the town "Wild Garlic" after it's Poto name, Shikaakwa. But I got outvoted.) Santa Anna defeated the Dallas Cowboys, 35-17 as Tony Romo throws three INTs. Then Santa Anna whips Travis and San Antonio in the playoffs, 42-3 in a one-sided blowout, but he loses the Super Bowl to Houston, 28-13.

Good times, good times.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

mhoust,
How did Prop 19 work out for you? Seems like the teabaggers (as well as most other Californians) draw the line on personal freedom somewhere south of cultivating non-addictive herbal products for personal use.

eba,
Those are all freedoms I don't miss. I haven't lit my fireplace in over a decade. I'm still mad I can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Dearest Mudge:

Elk don't live in Alaska.

Maybe you can see one from your house.

But, you can't see your toes. Nice stretch pants, BTW.

And, uh, Texas has a very long international border, if you didn't know.

It's not just "like a whole other country", it borders one. So, like, why do they have to fly "halfway round the country to leave US airspace?"

And, farm subsidies? Like, dude, your hero Obama received the votes in Iowa AND endorsed and continues to fund ethanol, an inefficient feel-good fuel additive. Big time. It's going up to 15%.

In the South, the wealthiest Congressman in Mississippi doles out BIG cotton subsidies. Oh, BTW, he's the richest, and is black and a Democratic liberal. KaChing due to a gerrymandered affirmative action district (courtesy Dems natch).

I could go on, but, wtp? You're hopeless party hacks of snoburbia and the Beltway. Brainless, but utterly convinced of your genius.

Get real. Get smart. Get out of DC more often.

Posted by: georgewill1 | November 4, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Floridians gained the right to operate motorcycles without wearing helmets a few years ago. I don't know whether that contributed to the current bike boom, but whatever the case, ownership is up and fatalities are 'way up.

I wonder how many Tea Partiers are frustrated smokers.

Fireplaces? The citizens of Missoula, Montana were among the first to work on that issue. Wood's abundant, cheap, and an excellent fuel, but the city has inversions that keep the smoke from dispersing. A miniature Los Angeles.

Los Angeles' air quality problems and sometimes-draconian solutions are typical of the arrangements that sometimes must be made to ensure our habitats are habitable. I don't want to go back to the days when LA, Pittsburgh, and London had smog, killer or otherwise.

On the environmentally progressive side, a county government near here will be giving its yard trash to a new alcohol plant, which can operate at a profit only because it'll be provided free fuel. There's some limits to green.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | November 4, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

mhoust and ed, I think you are living under a totalitarian homeowner's association. Consider moving. Also, look up "local,: "state," and "federal" in a civics book. It'll be an eye-opening experience for you. Spolier alert: different levels have different areas of jurisdiction. True story! Would I lie?

And if you lived in New Hampshire you wouldn't have that pesky seat belt problem.

But yes, I weep salty tears on your behalf, poor babe.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Mhoust, if those are the worst things that ever happen to you, you have a charmed life.

Posted by: -dbG- | November 4, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Knee-deep in Ewoks! I love it.

Posted by: veritasinmedium | November 4, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Of course no elk live in Alaska. Sarah kilt 'em all.

I rest my case.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so far it's 3.5 hours, and I'm skippin' lunch. Hoping it won't me > 2-2.5 more hours before we can file.

Arggghhhhh.

So, what have you all been up to?

*never mind*

Posted by: ftb3 | November 4, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Better than being knee-deep in tribbles.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Ah, front page drive-bys. They may be clueless, but at least they're not endearing.

Posts like mhoust's just make me sad. When I think of the difficulties and struggles of citizens of totalitarian countries - historically and today - and then I see the relatively trivial complaints trotted out against the US government -- well. The disconnect is so profound, so enormous, that it robs the complaints of any credibility. Let those people actually live in a totalitarian society. Let them try to get out, and be unable to leave. Let them see what the absence of freedom is really like. We are so fortunate, as US citizens, to have such a limited perspective on the evils of bad government.

I absolutely respect a person's right to be unhappy with zoning laws, safety regulations, etc. I understand some people really do want the freedom to make bad decisions, infringe on the rights of others, or opt out of the social contract entirely. They are annoyed that our government doesn't work that way. However, our circumstances really do not compare with truly oppressive regimes. I am sad for the lack of education, the lack of perspective, and particularly for the lack of understanding of the plight of so many people across the world, exhibited by these people.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 4, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse


Now a fan of Achenblog!

LOL.

Screw Sir George Will.

What does he know? Everything? Well, big deal.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | November 4, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Awal, I absolutely agree that there is no monopoly on political or policy wisdom in the Democratic party.

It would thrill me if the President and the new Speaker-Elect could legitimately work together and come up a credible plan to reduce the deficit over some future time span.

I don't really expect it to happen though. Giving both men the benefit of the doubt regarding political intentions, I don't know whether either will be able to maintain enough control of the more rabid fringes of their parties to push through compromise budget measures.

We'll see though. It's going to be an interesting two years, that's for sure.

Posted by: cowhand214 | November 4, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Because we do all our bombing east and west, George. We virtually never bomb anybody north and south.

You could look it up.

Yes, I'm aware Texas has a long international border. Go police it yourselves, since you don't like federal intervention and the govt. telling you who can go where. Solve your own damn border problems and don't come crying to Washington to do it for you. Whatever happened to Chuck Norris and the Texas Rangers?

Wuss.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Elk have been successfully introduced to southeastern Alaska.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | November 4, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Iowa has lots of room for the Ewoks, fortunately. Judging from the banquet scene, I think they'll be happy eating the pigs and cattle on Iowa farms.

Will the Ewoks get to come to Washington when the Rebel Alliance wins? Will they settle in Iowa? Or will they disperse across the country, shedding cheer and cuteness everywhere, ushering in a new era of huggable cuddliness?

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 4, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

There actually are elk in Alaska, though I believe they were introduced for hunters.

Time to don my chest waders to teach students about pond ecology, or maybe prepare for the rising tide of Ewoks?

Posted by: lostnspace | November 4, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

If I ride a motorcycle with no helmet and no insurance, or in a car with no seatbelt and no insurance and I get into a an accident and spend six months in the hospital, everybody else's insurance rates and tax dollars better come to my rescue, 'cause I'm a free man, darnit.

I do wish we could smoke tweeds though...

Posted by: DurhamBully | November 4, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Amen, Ivansmom! Welcome, tony.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, I think the New House will devote much of its time to "investigating" (harassing) The Obama White House.

Maybe even try to work up an impeachment - on what, who knows, they're pretty creative, they'll think of something. Anything.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | November 4, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Ivansmom | November 4, 2010 12:23 PM

I'm not frequently compelled to chime in with nothing more than a thumbs up; here at the WaPo I can go months without such an urge. Today, however, I find it necessary to do so thrice. Ivansmom, your 12:23 is an excellent framing of the tragedy of the popular psyche. Well done.
I hope that I am not undermining their credibility by appearing overgenerous with my way-to-go's.

Posted by: veritasinmedium | November 4, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Host: Elk, please meet Alaska.

Elk: Very pleased to meet you, Alaska.

Alaska: Charmed, I'm sure. Say, nice rack.

Elk: Thanks. It's just a little something I've been working on. Y'know, I miss the wide open spaces. I was thinking of taking a Sunday drive.

Alaska: I don't know. You might want to watch out for folks carrying long, thin things made of metal and wood. In fact, I think you should stay away from the countryside entirely. Our main roads are plenty wide enough. What say we stroll down to that gallery? It has lots of room and they're serving a decent Chardonnay.

Elk: Why, thank you. Don't mind if I do.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 4, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Tim,

Good, thoughtful points. I will re-counter a couple.

2) There are only no "DINOs" because I presume because they don't want the association with "RINOs." There are many people in the Democratic Party--especially on the far left--who suggest that any moderate Democrat is a "Dem in Republican clothing." Rachel Maddow calling Clinton "the best Republican President ever" certainly sounds DINO-ish in spirit, even if she didn't use the exact acronym.

3) Lieberman is still a registered Democrat who ran as an Independent to win an election. But that is just one example. Pelosi seemed to be continually threatening Democrats with the loss of committee positions, and loss of positions and/or funding was a favorite tactic of Rahm Emmanuel prior to 2008. None of which is to say that it isn't ridiculous for the Republicans to do it also, but to the extent that the Bush Republicans used such political tactics, it was hardly unique.

6) The healthcare bill that was passed did not include any of the major Republican ideas--which were well known and publicized at the time such as: interstate insurance coverage, medical malpractice reform, small business insurance pools etc. You can decide for yourself if the televised bipartisan health care meeting was a political stunt, but the outcome was not meaningfully different from when Bush invited the Democrats to a bipartisan meeting on Social Security reform and they used it as a political opportunity prior to the '06 elections. I will argue to my death, however, that the Democrats wanted to pass a bill much more than they tried to pass a good bill, and I remind you of one of the most pathetic statements in American political history, "We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it."

7) I think that you and I probably agree on your point. If one could easily backboodle to 2006, you would find several posts by yours truly descrying the profligacy of the GWB second term. There were some in Congress who shared that opinion, and the Wall Street Journal certainly was on record on the issue many, many times. However, the Bush era is now effectively a "sunk cost." We can either decide to fix the problem or not, but spending a lot of time pointing out the hypocrisy of the Republicans (to say nothing of the newly-minted fiscally conservative Democrats) is essentially wasted time. Also I resent your implication that I'm racist or I somehow agree with or are a proponent of the "States' rights" theory of the Civil War.

And for the record, I voted for Obama, and I just voted for the Democrat for Governor and Senator. I'm pretty Independent in my voting I just don't have blinders on to think that every Democratic prescription for the people is "pure and sinless."

Posted by: Awal | November 4, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I think Democrats need to take a page from the Republican play-book: preface everything with the words, "Job-Killing". Thus, we are against the "Job-Killing" tax cuts for those who make more than $250,000; we are against the "Job-Killing" attempt to repeal health care; we are against the "Job-Killing" cuts to spending...

Posted by: IowaKingfisher | November 4, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Why, thank you, veritasinmedium. As you see today, I try to restrict myself to drivel, but sometimes I'm compelled otherwise. I think you're bolstering my credibility. Much appreciated.

Ah. "Job-killing" attempt to repeal the reform of financial institutions.

Other accomplishments: the "Job-killing" weapons treaties. "Job-killing" renewed food inspections. "Job-killing" fight against obesity - which leads us to that "Job-killing" White House kitchen garden.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 4, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Brilliant, I-Mom!

Tangentially related, do you think there will ever come a time that the WaPo can post an article on a topic, any topic at all, and not have at least one spittle-flecked "keep gummint outa may [fill in the blank}!" comment? The article on the recommendation to reduce sodium intake has several, fercryninoutloud.

Posted by: Raysmom | November 4, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Ah, but who would police the gummint's intrusions into The People's various and sundries?

It's a meta-problem.

Posted by: byoolin1 | November 4, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Mudge,

Isn't your version of a reeducation camp the place where Patrick McGoohan ended up in '67-68?

Posted by: HeadFool1 | November 4, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Here's the problem. According to the Contract For America, Republicans want to cut taxes while protecting Defense and Entitlements. They only target discretionary spending. But even if *all* discretionary spending were eliminated, current tax revenues, never mind lower ones, are insufficient to prevent massive growth of the debt.

This is the tyranny of math. It is the refusal to accept this that makes many thoughtful people accuse the Republicans of not being serious.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 4, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Welcome, Tony in Durham! Cassandra, Jumper, and I are in NC, and it's always nice to see more NC posters.

Yup, plenty of barbeque in the bunker freezer. I'll get it out and start warming it in a little while. Your choice is mustard slaw or red slaw, no mayonnaise slaw for this crowd! RD and Ivansmom, will you bring the chips? I'll make corn muffins and see about dessert. Sweet tea is available. Mudge, will you check on the beer supply?

Posted by: slyness | November 4, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

In a truly free society wouldn't everyone fend for themselves - hence no need for defense, homeland security, border security etc. spending - now that would be some budget savings. Is there a push to privatize defense? Just curious as to why it seems OK for the government to be involved there but no where else.

Posted by: dmd3 | November 4, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse


I'm not overly concerned about the freedoms lost in my lifetime either. I merely offer them as counterpoint to Science Tim's assertion that the left is the only defender of rights. Those issue are not entirely left right but have a liberal slant.

I am concerned for my grown children having their economic freedom seriously impaired by the health care law. Once healthcare completely on the public tab, temptations grow to outlaw any number of activities that people see as unhealthy. It might be a good idea but is distinctly a loss of freedom.

Posted by: edbyronadams | November 4, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

To expand on RD's remarks, you could cut ALL discretionary spending INCLUDING defense and still not balance the budget without tax hikes. It's either raise taxes or cut entitlements. And that means your Rascal, stereotypical overweight Medicare-drawing teabagger.

So how the heck did Clinton manage it? Oh, that's right. A growing economy and no military adventurism with a decent but non-punitive upper income tax bracket. It's the top 1% of America who are bankrupting us.

Sorry to shout, but it's a bit noisy in here right now.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

ed, I'm concerned that my grandchildren (the nation's children, in other words) will have their lives seriously impaired *without* the health care law. (It's too late for me ... I haven't been able to afford healthcare insurance for years ... once the savings are gone, so am I.)

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I haven't figured out the health care conumdrum, but I've decided health care should be a public service and not a private one. By that I mean that provision of health care should not be for profit but non-profit. What we want is effective care, not efficient care. (Not that we currently get efficient care, far from it!)

What I've read about the Swiss system appeals to me. Everyone has to get health insurance. Insurance companies are not for profit and have to take all comers. Premiums are reasonably priced.

I'm of the opinion that greed is always good. Some may beg to disagree; I'm always ready to hear what they have to say.

Posted by: slyness | November 4, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

i like the idea of privatizing national defense. Those who don't like commies could mount filibustering expeditions to attractive places like Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua.

On the health care front, it's worth remembering that the US government already pays as much per citizen on health care as any European country. It just doesn't get much for all that money.

In Florida, the rail-ready median of I-4 from Tampa to Orlando will be sitting empty after the fast-rail project is canceled. Could some private company offer to pay rent for the median so it can be used for private traffic lanes, a bus way, or even private rail transportation?

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | November 4, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Headfool1, you are job-killingly correct. However, allow me to note that I preferred McGoohan in the job-killing :Secret Agent" more than the job-killoing "The Prisoner."

slyness, how are we fixed for job-killing sangria and job-killing cheese snacks in the bunker? Do you need me to sign any job-killing requisition forms?

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse


The health care issue is settled law now. The Republicans do not have the votes to repeal it, nor, dare I say, the cojones to seriously try. It is not a dead political issue though. When those mandated bills start landing on doorsteps, it could arise again, like a zombie. Most of the twenty something friends of my adult children are already having a hard time of it.

Posted by: edbyronadams | November 4, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

slyness, no need to defrost the barbeque from the freezer. There was plenty of fresh this morning, llRC.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Most of my friends with twenty-something adult children are glad they can keep their underemployed college graduate kids on their insurance. Even the teabaggers.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of government intrusion, I am ouraged by this job-killing story: "Students accused of beheading a fiberglass giraffe."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/03/AR2010110306028.html?hpid=sec-nation

I mean, if you can't decapitate a polyester-based replica of a wild animal, what's next? (They were going to put it in their dorm room, but it became "unwieldy.")

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Geekdottir, at almost 25, has health insurance but only for catastrophic events. The day-to-day stuff she handles on her own. It's not a good system.

Talitha, thanks for the heads-up! I didn't look in the fridge but I see it there... Mudge, what time do you want supper ready? No job-killing reqs this afternoon, just job-killing beer, wine, and snacks.

If you are VERY nice to me, I'll bring out my homemade cheese straws.

Posted by: slyness | November 4, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

All Shook Up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ0K_DC9rUg

Shake-Ups Needed in Obama's Staff?:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/44637.html

Posted by: laloomis | November 4, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Alaska has the Roosevelt Elk, the Rocky Mountain elk, and in Europe the Alaskan moose might be called "elk."

Here is a good video of government employees:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=lgwF8mdQwlw&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 4, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, I'm aware Texas has a long international border. Go police it yourselves, since you don't like federal intervention and the govt. telling you who can go where. Solve your own damn border problems and don't come crying to Washington to do it for you. Whatever happened to Chuck Norris and the Texas Rangers?"

When Arizona tried that folks like you weren't happy.

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | November 4, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Washington Report: Our first night in D.C., had a great meal at Georgia Brown's. It is expensive, crowded, loud, beautiful, and has fabulous food.

Tonight we're at Brickskeller (sp?) and hope to see some of you there.

Sorry about the election. Our state went almost totally red. Very Sad.


CowTown

Posted by: jp1954 | November 4, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, I'm aware Texas has a long international border. Go police it yourselves, since you don't like federal intervention and the govt. telling you who can go where. Solve your own damn border problems and don't come crying to Washington to do it for you. Whatever happened to Chuck Norris and the Texas Rangers?"

When Arizona tried that certain folks weren't happy. You now okay with that sort of thing?

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | November 4, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

mudge,
Yet another tragic infringement of our roadside advertisement stealing rights. Without purloined public signage, how will our youth decorate their dorms and fraternity houses?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/yellojkt/5085305628/in/set-72157625172250848/

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

But I like Ewoks.

Posted by: Moose13 | November 4, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Regarding potential Repub threats to begin many "investigations" on Obama, I think the AG has a whole roomful of indictments for those very same Repubs. Wanna trade?

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 4, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

That's true, ArmyBrat1. But that was before the electorate delivered a message to us flaming liberals. Now we get it.

Of course, when Arizona tried it, folks like you were whining for the federal government to come and protect them from people who want to come landscape your property at below-market rates.

But aren't you happy I've seen the error of my ways? Don't you appreciate the fact I've jumped on your minimalist government bandwagon? (I don't have to buckle my seat belt on that bandwagon, do I?)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"One of the recurring themes in recent political discourse (I want to use the word tropes here, but it does not flow naturally from my pen) is that government is depriving us of our freedoms."

***************************

This confuses you, Joel, because -- like in 1984 -- you have learned to block out all forms of crimethought, and have rejected the very concept of freedom.

You probably think it is perfectly OK that:

* The government can take your money and give it to homeless people, people with AIDS, starving people in other countries, rockets to Mars and whoever else it thinks you should care about.

* You can be denied a job, a college education, social services, and even basic civil rights simply because you are the "wrong" color.

* You can lose your job and/or be charged with "hate crimes" while others are allowed -- even encouraged -- to hate you.

* Your property can be seized or regulated to the point of uselessness for the good of the environment, or because some rich guy wants to build on it.

* If you try to run for political office you must run as a Democrat or a Republican or face almost insurmountable obstacles getting on the ballot.

* Your guns can be taken away from you if your spouse simply accuses you of domestic violence, or the police don't like you.

* You're not allowed to pray in school or at a government function.

* You're forced to pay into Social Security when you'd rather save your money on your own.

* You have to submit to searches, and X-Rays that see through your clothes to get on an airplane even though you're not a young Moslem man.

Posted by: pmendez | November 4, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"But aren't you happy I've seen the error of my ways? Don't you appreciate the fact I've jumped on your minimalist government bandwagon? (I don't have to buckle my seat belt on that bandwagon, do I?)"

Naah, I won't tell.

I do wish, however, that every five star restaurant would be banned from selling any meal with worse nutrition than a happy meal. Why should Volt be allowed to kill us with red wattle pork belly, with carmellini beans, mostarda, stewed mustard seed, accompanied by chocolate ganache, chocolate caramel, pistachio, raw organic cocoa? :-)

(I'm being facetious in case it wasn't obvious, being a newbie here and all.)

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | November 4, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

If I say you can't get on my plane without my safety check, you are trying to take away my plane-owning freedom. Commie.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 4, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I used to crap in the stream, but the Nanny State won't let me anymore. Commies.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 4, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Alas, Raysmom, it is a proven fact that the gummint - federal, state and local - has painfully inserted itself into every nook and cranny of American life. Baby has colic? Gummint. Teenager texts too much? Gummint. Did your lawn go to weeds this year? Gummint. Dutch elm disease? Gummint. Flat tire? Gummint. As the Boy says, "Took mah dern jerb!" [Said with the proper accent, "jerb" becomes "job".] It is a byword in our house, right up there with "I blame Obama".

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 4, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Also, betcha that Volt meal has a kick-a$$ toy.

Posted by: byoolin1 | November 4, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

pmendez -

They take your money and use it to fight wars you might not want.

They build roads in places you will never want to travel.

They impose laws that prevent you from driving your car even though you've only had, like, four beers,

One could go on and on. Those are the terms of the social contract. It's that whole preamble to the constitution thing. We balance personal freedoms with social equality. It's how it's been done for centuries now, and is what the founders intended.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 4, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Ab, you are certainly welcome here, and more than welcome to be facetious. Just be careful what you say about chocolate. A couple people here (I won't name names) are very sensitive to any slurs about choclate.

Also, there are big fans here of legumes, so you might want to tread carefully until you get the lay of the land.

Also rhubarb. Don't EVER say anything against rhubarb. CqP gets quite testy when anyone defames rhubarb.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

pmendez, there are spots in there where I wonder if you're writing tongue-in-cheek, and if you're not, I'm just asking for trouble in responding, but here goes anyway.

On the prayer thing: individuals are allowed to pray whenever and wherever they want to. For example, my best friend in high school said grace before lunch every day. No problem. If individuals are prevented from doing so, that's an infringement of their freedom of religion, and I -- fervent agnostic that I am -- will join you in protesting it. The restrictions on prayer are intended to prevent governmental institutions from imposing religious practice on individuals, i.e., to protect individual religious freedom. From my point of view, this restriction is not sufficiently observed. For example, the state university where I teach opens every official ceremony -- graduation, presidential investiture, etc. -- with an invocation in which a local religious leader prays in Jesus's name. This bothers me, because it positions one particular religion as the religion of the (state-funded) institution and positions those of us who are not followers of that religion as outsiders as far as the institution is concerned. It could be worse. No one is threatening my job because I'm not a church-goer. So I don't tend to yell and scream about it, though if I were truly principled, maybe I should. But please do not try to convince me that the restriction of prayer in an institutional capacity is a restriction on individual religious freedom. It is in fact only by following such restrictions that state institutions can allow individual religious freedom.

Posted by: -bia- | November 4, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Just been reading in a book how the early Christians were persecuted for refusing to pray to the Roman emperor. It's best to keep religious expression out of schools and politics. Just makes it easier for everyone.

Of course, as the wags have it, as long as there are tests, there will be prayer in schools. Just not corporate prayer.

Posted by: slyness | November 4, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

And you can defame doilies ... all other needlework is sacred as are those who commit it.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Why not just send us all to re-education camps???"

We ought to. Then you might learn what the tax rate was under Eisenhower.


Today, the top income tax rate is 35 percent, starting at $186,825 for individuals and $373,650 for couples.

By contrast, during the eight years of the Eisenhower presidency, the top rate averaged roughly 90 percent, typically hitting individuals making $200,000 a year or couples making $400,000 a year. In 2010 dollars, that's equivalent to $1.6 million for an individual and $3.2 million for a couple. Someone making the 1954 equivalent of $186,825 in today's money would have paid a tax rate of 59 percent back then.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | November 4, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Are you suggesting, curmudgeon, that anyone making defamatory statements against rhubarb will be made to rue their barbs? Are we talking imminent rueage here?

Posted by: cowhand214 | November 4, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

pmendez,
You are exactly the kind of ditto-blinded troll we usually ignore, but I have to take just one of your ridiculous deluded talking points and ask:

Just WHY do you need to pray at school or at a government event?

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of free run amok ... "Meghan McCain Scoffs at Obama, Bristol".

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/tvblog/2010/11/-meghan-mccain-talks-about.html

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

psst talitha have you met dr, our doillie queen.

Just saw that Sparky Anderson has passed, RIP

Posted by: dmd3 | November 4, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

It seems I'm late to the mandatory prayer meeting, so to speak. bia said it quite nicely. Pray all you want, pmendez. Just don't make me have to pray along or be forced to listen along.

And while I am no fan of the TSA and the Security Theater of the Absurd, there is no guarantee the next set of plane bombers will be young Muslim men. As they say on the shady infomercials, prior results are no guarantee of future performance.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I just hate it when people confuse the rules of religion with the rules of politics. Perhaps complete selfless devotion to a belief that is beyond comprehension is a virtue when it comes to God. But I don't think it is a virtue when it comes to regressive tax rates.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | November 4, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

cows, said rueage will be both terrible and swift. She hath trampled out the vintage where the japes of wrath are gored.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Portland Oregon has set up rules to get the leaves off your street. You may either pay or pay. New government entitlement.

You don't have to play the video. The text is provided below.
http://portlandcitycenter.katu.com/content/citys-new-paid-leaf-removal-program-begins

Posted by: bh72 | November 4, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

2:55 is perhaps the finest moment in Boodle history. Both RD and mudge have penned masterpieces. I had forgotten how much fun a Front Page Alert can be. We do seem to be up to our elbows in trolls though. And not the cute ewok-looking type either.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I must needs poll the Boodle on a matter of inter-gender behavior that has reared its ugly head, but I think I shall do it in a new kit, when the children aren't around.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, with a terrible, swift word?

Well played, sir. Well played.

Posted by: cowhand214 | November 4, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

*waving weakly from lack of nutrition*

Just finished the heaviest lifting I've done in a good ol' time! It's not completely done yet, but since I haven't eaten since b'fast (~8 hours ago or so) I'm famished, and now appears to be a good time to do that salad thing.

Then, back to it. Has to be in the judge's chambers *today* -- good thing it's the northern district of CA. Gives us three (count 'em *3*!) more hours. And we can file electronically, bless 'em.

*would be begging for Ivansmom's sympathy (you know, "professional courtesy" and all that) if I knew I could actually get up off the floor from begging*

Hey Imom -- have you ever seen a Complaint that had *zero* allegations of personal jurisdiction over a non-resident defendant? I jumped all over that like a you-know-what! Among other things, of course.

Lunch, lunch, lunch ............

Posted by: ftb3 | November 4, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"Just saw that Sparky Anderson has passed, RIP"

Terrible news, but expected. I became a baseball fan in '66, living in Fort Knox - the Redlegs were the closest team. The '70-'76 Big Red Machine were the greatest team in baseball, at least in my lifetime (and I'm a fossil :-) When your number 8 hitter bats .307, you're good.

Sparky winning in Detroit was gravy.

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | November 4, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, she's mistaking George Will for a more intelligent, rational conservative, such as George Will 10 years ago.

Posted by: joshlct | November 4, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, RD, brilliant.

pmendez & yellojkt, at the risk of tedious repetition, I will once again remind everyone that the first mass bombing on US soil with major loss of life was in Oklahoma City, perpetrated by a WHITE MALE US CITIZEN and VETERAN. No Muslims involved.

Sorry for shouting.

ftb, no personal jurisdiction? perhaps the jurisdiction elves will spirit the defendant into the courtroom. Interesting omission.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 4, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

dmd, I was teasing about the doilies. I once crocheted four six-foot square ones (on commission) for a florist's storefront windows. They wanted light to come in but a filter to block the harshness. Looked cool from the outside and the inside.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Pictures, Talitha, we want pictures! I'm sure they are loverly.

Posted by: slyness | November 4, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I know, Imom.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/yellojkt/3148712877/in/set-72157611810577807/

I know.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"[W]hen he looks at, say, Tim Pawlenty, he probably says to himself what Stalin said about the Pope: How many divisions does he have?"

Given the fate of the Soviet Union, the President should probably think twice before comforting himself with that comparison.

Posted by: exile_from_virginia | November 4, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I am she who must be obeyed, regarding the sacred Rue Barb.

Behold my tart deliciousness.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 4, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I need someone with a technical head to help check my work on a science fiction story I'm working on. (They said it couldn't be done!) yellojkt, Tim, RD?

It's just a ballpark estimate on a small hydropower question. It's to be a humorous story.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 4, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I am shocked, shocked I tell you that Portland is making residents pay to clean leaves off city streets, even if they're from city-owned trees. 'Cuz yanno, private trees never shed their leaves in the street.

Posted by: Raysmom | November 4, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

cowhand, it was a terrible swift gourd, possibly a calabash.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Congress controls the purse strings according to the constitution. They can really crimp a president's style. Obama is a one term president.

It is absurd to criticize a legitimate government function like disease prevention as government intrusion. Lack of enough dietary fiber kills millions of Americans every year.

Real government instrusion is like X-Ray body scanners or molesting airline passengers as they go through security at the airport. The government is exposing you to unnecessary, potentially dangerous radiation or giving you an alternative to a police state body search.

Posted by: alance | November 4, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Army brat, welcome. Stick around. This place is more civil than L Steiner's trainwreck was.

Just took the other 2 DBAs through 20 pages of server names, passwords and directions on how to fix the problems which occur most often. Guess I'll take a copy to Florida myself since my big book o' fixes will be on my desk here.

Slyness, I'll bring unsweetened tea and lots of limes to add to it.

I'm sure the 20-somethings are muttering, but maybe by the time they're 40 something they'll change their tune.

Yanno, I've spent 35 years saving for retirement. While there's a lot hanging around is separate accounts, Wall Street isn't quite the sure thing it makes itself out to be. Safety net is not an abstraction.

Posted by: -dbG- | November 4, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

slyness, that was over 30 years ago in Colorado. There's some old 35mm slides around somewhere but they've never come close it being digitalized for electronic transmission. That kind of Bohemian Victorianism doesn't translate into a modern portfolio very well. Just use your 'magination. ;)

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

ArmyBrat used to be at the Mommmy BLog...so, he knows WackyWeasal but as dadoffour....

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 4, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party has a propagating membership that has much to do, in voicing their opinion in Congress. This is how to train their legislators in fighting the political slime along the Capitol beltway. The battle to return America to its roots has just began, the revisiting the priceless words of the constitution and making this nation great again. The nation has been traveling in the wrong directions for decades, influenced by the Leftist fringe and the elitists of the GOP. The people have spoken and are adamant of revising the Democrat unpopular Health Care reform, Tax reform; even a flat tax for all? Adjoined to these issues--a reduction in the million green cards annually and harsh interdiction of illegal immigration enforcement. No more of this garbage spread by the liberal fringe groups to our schools, to our young. Place political correctness doctrine in the garbage fill, where it belongs. Free Speech is what it is–FREE SPEECH, given to us by our founding fathers, not the communist’s insurgency in our society. As for Voter fraud–nobody has truly investigated the chicanery that happened around the country, specifically in Nevada. But the voting system needs updating so only real citizens can vote without the worry of strange goings on in Polling place; absentee ballots are not safeguarded enough in California, Nevada or border States. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize if illegal aliens can get a job with phony Social Security number, or a counterfeit drivers license, its obvious that an inexperienced voter supervisor wouldn’t know the difference? Like to know the"Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians of 2009?" Want Facts, not LIES of government corruption or propaganda from the Liberal Press--GOOGLE-- Judicial Watch. As a legal non-profit group site states, Promoting Integrity, Transparency and Accountability in Government, Politics and the Law

Posted by: infinity555 | November 4, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

infinity555 makes me ask a very important burning question which has been bothering me for quite a while:

Why do Tea Partiers uppercase so many of their nouns?

http://www.slate.com/id/2273197/

You know who else capitalized all his nouns?

Hitler.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I got about a third of the way through that, then bumped my head on my keyboard.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"ArmyBrat used to be at the Mommmy BLog...so, he knows WackyWeasal but as dadoffour...."

... he was also LilHusky and a couple of others, IIRC

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | November 4, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I'm gonna go back and have some of those ribs that I left behind this morning. See y'all for a game of pool and a beer later?

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

But you'll notice infinityfunffunffunf DIDN'T capitalize "The Constitution." Is he/she even an American?

Perhaps free speech is unencumbered by consistency, coherence, or the occasional break for a new paragraph.

Posted by: byoolin1 | November 4, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Yello, part of this is exactly why so many people feel so frustrated. We know that TSA and Homeland Security is utterly worthless. They have virtually no effective plan to deal with young, Muslim terrorists let alone terrorists of any other age, religion or country of origin.

Virtually every dollar spent on "border security" or the "war on drugs" is currently wasted. Farm subsidies--wasted money. It is estimated that there is in excess of $100 billion in annual waste and fraud in Medicare and Medicaid, yet there was no real plan to address that in the recent healthcare bill. How much money do we spend on upkeep and staffing for military bases in Europe, let alone the ungodly numbers of dollars required for pursuing simultaneous war in Iraq and Afghanistan? How much Federal money have we spent on education with no improvement in educational metrics in decades? I see literally seven sign holders on each ARRA road project that I encounter; is that an efficient use of funds even if it is providing a few unskilled jobs?

I would have no problem paying more taxes. I'd pay the extra, marginal 3% if I thought that someone was really putting thought into how it could be spent efficiently and acknowledged that, yes, the money that was being spent by government was actually earned by individuals and contributed to the government as part of a "sacred compact". I give you my money, and you treat it like a fiduciary. That's not happening at all these days--in either political party.

I would have no problem paying more of a gas tax if we had a prospective energy policy that acknowledged that even under the most wildly optimistic scenarios, we're still going to have to rely on 75-80% conventional fuel sources, including nuclear.

I would have no problem continuing to use the tax code to achieve political policy goals if I thought that many of our elected representatives actually had an understanding of how the code works and the astronomical dead weight loss that the minutiae of our current system of taxation imposes upon our economy.

As I've said, I don't necessarily think that the Republicans have many of the answers, and there are many important issues which are only tangentially related to economics, but if this is what it takes to get the conversation started, then I can deal with Rand Paul for 6 years. 'Cause if you think the economy is bad now, just wait until the US government is literally bankrupt. If we do nothing, it's coming sooner than you think. There is no way that $1.7 Trillion deficits are sustainable, and the President's most recent response was to propose $250 billion of budget cuts over 10 years.

I wouldn't put my money into a 30-year US Treasury bond right now if you held a gun to my head.

Posted by: Awal | November 4, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

breathe, infinity, breathe.

And, I'd like to know, where in the various screeds we've seen today is the outrage about corporations' consistent degradation of workers' pay and benefits (in real terms)? 'Cuz I truly believe that is one important driver of the angst out there.

Posted by: Raysmom | November 4, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Working theory: Wingnutter hands are so tense with rage their pinkies keeping hitting the Shift key instead of Enter. This explains both the excessive Capitalization and the lack of paragraph breaks.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, I at least give pmendez credit--he/she did show proficiency in the deployment of paragraph breaks.

Posted by: Raysmom | November 4, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

pmendez, did you really complain about discrimination and hate crimes and then in the next breath say young Moslim men should be discriminated against?

I think that hurt my head.

...and good lord the puns are flying fast and furious today. I love it.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | November 4, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Yello, there's always Hunter S. Thompson as an example there.

I think I'm getting The Fear.

Posted by: cowhand214 | November 4, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

It's official. Sister and I will be there tonight. Is there a secret handshake or special password? I might actually be able to recognize people this time.

Posted by: MoftheMountain | November 4, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Awal,
Speaking of waste and fraud in Medicare and Medicaid, check out the resume of Florida's governor-elect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Scott#Columbia.2FHCA_fraud_case_details

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please. Like the right-wing bible thumpin conservatives don't want to dictate to everyone how to run their lives (in and out of the bedroom)? And they have their guns to keep you in line, too.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | November 4, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure Dickens described mobs in the street in response to rhubarb defamation somewhere in "A Tale of Two Cities." French won't stand for that - they'd immediately take any rue-age, as it were, to the streets.

Cute piece from NPR:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=131063948&sc=fb&cc=fp

*Waves to Tony, Cassandra, Jumper, Slyness and anyone else lurking in Upper Carolina*

Posted by: lostnspace | November 4, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Alas, I can't make it to the BPH tonight. We had a hardwood floor installed in our living room, and if I don't go home and pretend to be fabulously thrilled, You-Know-Who will kill me.

And we finally got our check from the insurance company for May's hail damage, about $35k. The new siding has been ordered and will arrive in about 10 days. Then the total house exterior makeover begins, right around Thanksgiving. Should take about a week. New siding, new shutters, new shingles, new gutters and downspouts, new front-door frame, new three-panel-wide 8' wide back door with big side windows, on both house and detached 2-car garage with FROG. The works.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Yello,

I know. It's disgusting. And don't forget, Columbia/HCA was brought to you by Bill Frist.

I prefer, however, to think of this as a glass half full. Having him as an elected official is like that counterfeiter Leo DiCaprio played in that movie. Once he decided to use his "talents" for good he knew exactly where to look for the fraud.

Posted by: Awal | November 4, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

yellojkt! Next time you're hereabouts let me know! I hope that one visit didn't put you off forever. It got better, y'know.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 4, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Infinity seems to write a lot here
http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/11/03/carly-fiorina-concedes-senate-race-barbara-boxer/

They actually ELECTED the Florida Medicare scammer?! OMG no wonder I've been hunkering down away from the news. They gained control of our statehouse in NC. I'm sure they will eliminate teachers under the rubric of sound policy.

Back to the Litrahchah & a DVD later. With Hot Soup, and a Dog by My Side Who Needs a Bath.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 4, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't have time to fully backboodle, but I did get as far as Awal's response to my response. I'm going to let his/her missive stand as the last word in our exchange except for one element:

I realized after the fact (well after the fact) that what I wrote implied that Awal, personally, is a racist recidivist who would like to reinstitute slavery. Not at all, I hold no such thought, and I apologize for the implication that I might hold Awal in such low regard. To paraphrase one of Jon Stewart's suggested signs: We disagree, but I'm pretty sure you're not Jefferson Davis.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 4, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey all, loving this blog and the threads.

You've covered a lot of topics, some which were covered a bit humorously, and others not so.

My main bugaboo is the topic of Religion. To reacquaint myself with a Founder's version, I dug out my Library of America volume on Jefferson. Here's the scoop...

Virginia - colony of England - Church of England/Anglican Church. Members of that colony required to pay for CofE parishes, etc, whether or not they liked it. TJ didn't care for that - thought Religious Freedom should be for all. TJ also smacked down any reference to Jesus Christ - didn't have any problems with just saying "God" or "Creator" or something general. So, perhaps an initial instance of P.C? No, really just inclusiveness.

Here, from his Autobiography:

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

Posted by: MichelleKinPA | November 4, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Awal,
Not sure I would put a molester in charge of Child Protective Services just because he understands the methods they use. 'Dexter' is a TV series, not a theory of government.

However, the most damning part of the Rick Scott's Wikipedia entry is this:

"In the 1990s, Scott was a partner of George W. Bush in ownership of the Texas Rangers."

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

About the disagreement re right and left: part of this lies in a deeper partition of world views, concerning individualism or communitarianism.

Count me as a more communitarian than individual-oriented. I want to live in a community that develops strategies for mutual care and assistance, and yes, is structured for freedom and self expression.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 4, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

When it comes to cannabis, it's the Republicans who are leading the nanny staters, and the Tea Parties are fine with that. FreedomsWorks, what a cynical name for pick and choose supporters of freedom.

Posted by: newageblues | November 4, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Humper, is your sentence, "With Hot Soup, and a Dog by My Side Who Needs a Bath" a statement or a question?

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

* You have to submit to searches, and X-Rays that see through your clothes to get on an airplane even though you're not a young Moslem man.

Posted by: pmendez

* * *

Believe me, pmendez, the entire government is working round the clock to figure out some security alternative that doesn't involve having to look under YOUR clothes. [shudder]

-Snarky Squirrel

Posted by: 7900rmc | November 4, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Yello, meet irony.

Irony, this is Mr. Jacket.

Posted by: Awal | November 4, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

TOPIC CHANGE, for DR and Talitha 'specically:

miniature knitting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT5MFdAB7fI

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 4, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Next thing you know, the San Francisco City Council will ban Happy Meals! Wait, what, they really did that? Maybe Joel isn't quite as funny as he thinks he is.

Posted by: jstine | November 4, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Awal,
You just insist on being misunderstood today. I fully duly chastised and rebuked. I have a blindspot for Florida politics because they are so unparodiably insane. Carl Hiaasen novels are so outlandish because the have to be.

Scott in the governor's mansion is far more a case of foxes buying the henhouse than It Takes A Thief.

And to respond to a DotC comment from earlier, I would rather have any given square inch of the Everglades than air rights to the entire love-bug infested sinkhole known as the I-4 median.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"......flow naturally from my pen."? Crayola maybe, but definately NOT a pen. What a maroon.

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | November 4, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

CqP, that made me weep ... for joy and in complete admiration. Bless you for sharing.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

That knitter is amazing. Stuart Little call your seamstress.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

YJ -- she may have been involved in the Coraline movie, whose look I adore. Oh, T, we do what we can. I think we need to start the:

Will not go gentle into that good night without KNITTING society.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 4, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

CP, I really enjoyed that video.

Posted by: dmd3 | November 4, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Mudge -- which one?
FROG Free Rocket Over Ground
FROG Finished Room Over Garage
FROG Flexible Response to Ongoing Growth
FROG Forever Rely on God
FROG Fixture Random Output Generator (lighting technology)
FROG For Recognition Of Greatness
FROG Foolish Repulsive Old Gentlemen

Posted by: nellie4 | November 4, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

@ awal:

What's truly pathetic is your dragging out the old canard about "We have to pass the bill to see what's in it."

Pelosi was talking about the bill being in the Senate at that time for changes and markups--they had to wait for it to come out of committee to see what had changed.

Posted by: elgrunir | November 4, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I once knit a sweater for Barbie. No, not Barbie, her little sister Skipper. (I didn't care for Barbie, and my daughter never had one. This is probably why she became a psychologist.)

00 needles, as I recall.

Posted by: nellie4 | November 4, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

No one says anything about your typos, Mudge. Until now.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 4, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

You'll have to pry the Bunker's Kincades out of my cold dead hands.

Well, first day on crutches! Drove the car to the rehab center for my first out-patient physical therapy appt, then off to Whole Paycheck for provisions. Thank TFSM for those electric carts. I only ran over one person.

Freedom!!!!

Posted by: rickoshea11 | November 4, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

(Dog dressed for party
Enjoys imaginary tea
guzzled with biscuits.)

Hi, Mister Rabbit,
You look rather rag-tag now.
Glad you're stuffed. I'm not.

We meet again, /bear./
Give me a piece of your mind
-- or your head, at least.
(I'm not that sure Mister Bear
has much brain--is anyone?)

Yes, my pearls match yours.
No, my furry face doesn't match.
Shave? I didn't hear that.

Fifth helpings, please--
Biscuits just fly down my throat
those days. Don't know why.

...

Miss Fluffy, you're grey
And dusk is falling. Shall we
fight, or just go rain?

-Wilbrodog-


-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 4, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

What is this irrational rant about? What does this paragraph mean? Has Achenbach had a stroke or some medical emergency -- I hope someone checks on him.

"But the fact that he wants to raise the marginal rate to, like, 39.6 percent on income over $250,000 brings to mind Mao and the Cultural Revolution. Why not just send us all to re-education camps???"

Posted by: rebecca81 | November 4, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Yea! rickoshea. Go get 'um. (I'd probably be more dangerous with crutches than in a cart, but I don't want to find out.)

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

It's a stroke of humor, rebecca.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 4, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Hooray for rickoshea!

Posted by: -bia- | November 4, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Finally! The Boodle is fun again! After Obama was elected I noticed a lot of angst going on, and pointless worrying about deficits, and just a plain lack of focus on the stuff that really matters. But now that the GOP is back, the minds of the denizens here are re-energized. ScienceTim, Mudge, yellowjkt, Ivansmom, Padouk: you haven't been this funny in two years! I am going to start reading the Boodle again.

P.S. georgewill1 really isn't George Will, is he?

Posted by: gwollberg | November 4, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

*snort*, Wilbrod.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

*snort*, Wilbrod.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back to the real world, Rickoshea!

Posted by: slyness | November 4, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't think rebecca81 does humor. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: Bob-S | November 4, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Joel Achenblog -- you're too subtle. The neanderthals don't get your irony.

Posted by: egc52556 | November 4, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I didn't touch it!

I'm going to have to further plumb the archives. Angst since Obama? I may be easily amused but the balance has seemed about right, at least to my taste.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 4, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Excellent, rickoshea! Enjoy your newly regained mobility!

Posted by: -pj- | November 4, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

*thud*

Done -- after a wee bit over 9 hours. Time to eat a bit, me thinks and then crash.

I'll be more copacetic tomorrow. Maybe even awake.

Toodley Boodley

Posted by: ftb3 | November 4, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Another stellar Boodle today, you guys are the best. Perfect puns Mudge. Great comments from Yello, RD, Imom and a bunch of others.

Rickoshea, very happy to hear you are out and about. Be careful of area rugs and wet spots with those crutches.

Just learned that Costa Rica is having torrential rains, one area (I don't know exactly where) had 38.5 inches of rain over the past three days! Luckily, #2 and SIL are still here not there.

Posted by: badsneakers | November 4, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

*Snort*ing in the room...
Where's that bulldog? Balls up
play bow, touch and hike!

-Wilbrodog-

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 4, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't say that the people who scream about evolution being taught in science classes are the same people who think that the "free market" (whatever that is...it sure isn't what we've got) is part of the 10 Commandments...but I think there is a strong correlation between the two positions (e.g. Glen Beck and any megapreacher, say Pat Robertson).

But isn't it rich (to steal a phrase) that the economic world championed by those folks is a perfect street-Darwinian model: survival of the fittest, winner-take-all, and devil take the hindmost (or anyone who isn't front-most). Of course it is gilding the stinkweed to point out contradictions in Tea-Bagger thinking, which isn't thinking so much as a collection of Pavlovian reflexes reacting to key-words such as "socialist", "Muslim", "freedom" without the slightest idea what they once meant.

I'm not going to be around to see the worst of it (the prize toy in my childhoiod came from a cereal box...a Sky King decoder ring...which gives you an idea of how old I am) and I'm getting tired of fighting. If it weren't for my grand-daughter (now 3) I would care a lot less that the f&&&-heads and loonies who elected the likes of Michele Bachmann screwed themselves while they thought they were screwing me (I'm a right-coaster, a Jew, a liberal, all of those bad things). Since my son (who votes for Democrats even though he works on Wall Street) and my daughter-in-law (who grew up in Communist Rumania and so could say a few things about what a totalitarian society is really like) will probably do very well financially, I guess Sarah will be all right.

I'm advising them to invest in land in north-central Ontario that will become prime real estate in about 40-50 years, when the Western US runs out of water and malaria returns to DC.

Posted by: jprfrog | November 4, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Profoundest apologies, dear Boodle. FROG is real estate jargon for "finished room over garage."

Ya live with a realtor for 28 years, yer mind goes all to hell.

One sees it from time to time in the house ads.

Don't ask me to explain "points."

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 4, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

ahh...a long cool drink
after a very long day
ohh...blessed boodle

Posted by: DNA_Girl | November 4, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Regarding two things that I caught in backboodling when I should have been working:

(1) I see the allegation that I may have implied that Democrats are the only political party that protects individual rights. I regret that such an interpretation of my words is credible and even reasonable. My intended meaning is that the Democrats are the party that makes an absolute fetish (yes, I chose that word on purpose) out of the protection and free exercise of individual rights insofar as that exercise is permissible or protected under the Constitution and can be enjoyed in its full flower without imposition upon the Constitutionally-guaranteed rights of others.

(2) Also: sure, Jumper I would be willing to take on your calculational problem, although my impression is that I should be surprised if there is a general-physics question that I could answer and you could not. Contact me at Tim Tales at Verizon dot net. Yes, it's true -- I have just broadcast my personal email address in (more-or-less) non-machine-readable but easily decodable form, for the entire universe. Eliminate the blanks and make the appropriate substitutions. No capitals. Not that I think that the capitalization matters. Also, everyone, feel free to email me if you have an offer of a paying storytelling gig. I charge $150/hour. My stories for children do not involve politics or my willie. My stories for adults may, occasionally, do so -- like the non-political story that I told last night for a packed room in a bookstore. The youngest audience member was a 14-year-old girl. I felt somewhat embarrassed, but I plowed ahead. Her mother and grandmother seemed amused.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 4, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

For the record, SciTIm references Willie. He does not introduce that young member of the assembly.

I cannot believe I just typed this. BUT I DID.

DNAG- howdy two days post voties.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 4, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

If georgewill1 were really the person behind the bow-tied character known on television as "George Will", then I should surmise that he or she would surely have deployed a more extensive variety of abstruse synonyms and an excess of syllables. Like I do. At least, so long as he or she were choosing to write in character.

Notice my correct usage of the subjunctive conditional. Also, I like bow-ties. Could I really be "George Will"? Is it possible that bears really are Catholic? Does the Pope, in fact, relieve his strained intestinal load in natural fashion while ensconced within a verdant region of extravagant foliage?

Oh my. I believe I may be suffering an attack of the vapors. I am of a mind to go lie down or, perhaps, to affix a bow-tie about my neck and to doff my dungarees in favor of a comfortable twill fabric.

And in closing, let me say this: it is all the fault of liberals and their pernicious ideology. Also, Carthago delenda est.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 4, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

St. Ursula was (is) Catholic. But, knowledgeTIM, you know this.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 4, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

The author scoffs — on the same day that San Francisco outlaws Happy Meals on the grounds of "food justice".

Posted by: thebump | November 4, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Are the hindquarters of the Sus domesticus considered porcine?

Posted by: -pj- | November 4, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Hi CqP
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2982

Posted by: DNA_Girl | November 4, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh DNA -- A for effort, for style, for grace, for content, for research, for citation -- you vote so well.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 4, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I threw "Carthago delenda est" in at the end of an e-mail message addressed to several co-workers a while back. Two of them got the reference and were highly amused (in the context, it was apt), and one more looked it up and was extremely amused. The others were puzzled or ignored it, which is as it should be.

Posted by: Bob-S | November 4, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Woo hoo!
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/senate/washington-democratic-sen-patt.html?hpid=topnews

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2013349573_senate05m.html

Much more civil Boodle than I imagained when I saw the Kit earlier.

Backboodling several days - I had no idea Natalie Wood was 5'0! (At 4'10" myself, I'd make her feel tall.)

Posted by: seasea1 | November 4, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

BPH Report: Cowtown is enjoying his time in the big city. He brought along Mrs. Town who was delighted to meet his imaginary friends. Mo showed off her new Ganesh tattoo. Also in attendance, bc, MoftheMountain, her sister, and TBG.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 4, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Wonderful time at the CowTown BPH. CowTown is as funny in person as on the Boodle. Much hilarity ensued.

He seemed happy to make our real-life acquaintance and the lovely Mrs. Town is exactly that: lovely and friendly!

Posted by: -TBG- | November 4, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Real government intrusion is subjecting a woman to a panel of male attendants to educate her about the unborn baby she is being compelled to bear. It is the POTUS trying to keep Terry Schiavo alive and using sexual orientation as a gatekeeping in the military.

Government intrusion is choosing corporations over the people.

Posted by: Jose5 | November 4, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Real government intrusion is subjecting a woman to a panel of male attendants to educate her about the unborn baby she is being compelled to bear. It is the POTUS trying to keep Terry Schiavo alive and using sexual orientation as a gatekeeping in the military.

Government intrusion is choosing corporations over the people.

Posted by: Jose5 | November 4, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, the War on Drugs goes on.

The Nanny State continues.

And Pregnant women will be incarcerated and kept in bed, on a strict diet, from the date of the first missed period.

We need not worry about lack of money, since we all know that the less you eat, particularly the less meat, the longer you live.

Having fun sure is hard on health, not to mention immoral. No wonder they want to make it illegal.

Posted by: samsara15 | November 4, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

I really wish they'd put the word "humor" back in the Achenblog's title.

Posted by: -TBG- | November 4, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

No way, Jose!

You had me until this line: "Government intrusion is choosing corporations over the people."

What the heck does that mean?

Posted by: Bob-S | November 4, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

If I go to McDonald's to get a McRib sandwich instead of asking my mom to smoke me up a Boston Butt (an obvious choice of a corporation over a person), is that government intrusion?

Posted by: Bob-S | November 4, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Bob

Posted by: Yoki | November 4, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

E. Power Biggs

That is all I have to say.

Posted by: Yoki | November 5, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

So sweet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTVraVgzC9U

Posted by: Yoki | November 5, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Some folks just don't see the big picture
http://www.thepictureofeverything.com/

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 5, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

I really wish they'd put the word "humor" back in the Achenblog's title.

Posted by: -TBG
____________

Agree ... but I ain't too worried.
Mmmmm, those ribs sure are good!

Even nightowls laugh!

Posted by: talitha1 | November 5, 2010 1:44 AM | Report abuse

I think Night-Owls hoot. And lose lost love.

Posted by: Yoki | November 5, 2010 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Lose lost love?
Love is is never lost.

It's found over and over and over .....

Only the one who misplaced it searches
between the sofa cushions

or gropes in the dark
on the driveway
for the keys
that slipped from the grasp
outside of home
has lost love.

love is inside.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 5, 2010 6:18 AM | Report abuse

'morning all. Excellent rants and postings all over the day and I missed it all. Oh well.
I'll add this; the Republican Party establishement will remain the party of bait and switch. The bait may have change from "values"/negation of reproductive rights/low taxes to this new meme of small gunmint/getting our freedoms&country back/low taxes but the switch will not. THe GOP will remain the party of the large corporation. If the TeePeers think they'll change that they are seriously misguided.
Sure, individual Democrats are sold to various corporative interests but as a party it does not behave like the majordomo of the corporate world.
The Hedge Funders are safe with their 15% tax rate, it will not change in the next two years.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 5, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, I like a comet .....
Wapo's gallery of photos ---

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2010/11/04/GA2010110407057.html?hpid=artslot

Thanks again to SciTim for that link yesterday ... I had some moments of feeling like the little kid watching Alan Shepard "jump" into space. I think it was 5th grade, but I've been an edge-of-seat earthbound astronaut ever since.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgoI_nS8z_w

Posted by: talitha1 | November 5, 2010 6:36 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ!

Good morning friends. I've been told that the only way people can appreciate what they have is that they no longer have it. We the people of the United States of America are blessed and have been blessed for many years. Sure there are improvements that need tackling, yet the foundation is good. We're our own enemy. Our destruction will come from our own hand.

Posted by: cmyth4u | November 5, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Sincere apologies. One photo of the comet doesn't begin to convey ALL of what transpired yesterday as the links were made, tension built and the data flowed in ... the men and women waited for confirmation and images of their work to appear before their eyes. Take over, ye of knowledge beyond my grasp to convey.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 5, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Hedge Funds need a clipping? I did need that second coffee.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 5, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Hi SD, thought of you last night when caramelizing onions.

Off to another day of knowledge widgetting in the factory. When I meet my quota, I will return. Take care all.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 5, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Boodlies!
I´ve been to New Hampshies in November. Brrr.

I recomend Varadero with a mojito made with Havana Club rum in hand.

Brag :)

Posted by: Braguine | November 5, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

That is always the case, isn't it, Cassandra? I hope we find the political will to tackle what needs doing, and finally do it.

If it's a matter of raising taxes, I'm okay with that. At the last decrease, I went back and changed what's withheld to return to where it was. No sense in owing at the end of the year.

Good morning, all. Cool in the Carolinas today; I put on a jacket for the morning walk, for the first time. It felt good to have it on.

On the agenda today is the fourth funeral I will have attended in twelve days. I certainly hope this string of deaths is over and we never go through anything like it again. We will be celebrating the life of my oldest niece's husband, a Vietnam vet.

Thanks for Mudge, Yello et al for the punny posts yesterday. It was good to laugh, and the work was outstanding.

Onward...

Posted by: slyness | November 5, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

That reminds me I should do an onion soup to make a dent in that 10 lbs bag of onions I bought last week.

Cute story; an elderly couple of Nova Scotia has given away 98% of their $11 millions lottery winnings.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1210422.html

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 5, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

If you make that soup can you fax me some Shriek, my favorite soup.

I love that story of the couple from Nova Scotia,

Posted by: dmd3 | November 5, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Rickoshea!!! *congraualtory ambulatory HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS* :-)

'Mudge, aren't points those owie things on the ends of sticks and spears and stuff?

And may I say, for no particular reason, that it's much easier to conduct a business meeting when all sides are grounded in reality?

*on-the-road-again-but-headed-home-on-a-fairly-decent-FSMIF Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 5, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

"We have each other — that’s the main thing. We don’t live in a modern house or have new cars, no fandangle things."

Fandangle things. I just wrote it on my chalkboard as a reminder of my blessings. Thanks, shriek.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 5, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Shriek,
fax me some soup, too. It sounds slurpisimous.

Brag :)

Posted by: Braguine | November 5, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

The woman in Nova Scotia looks absolutely beautiful... radiant while looking at her husband. I hope she stays well and has beaten her cancer.

Good morning all!

Posted by: -TBG- | November 5, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

That story was on the news last night and made me tear up. If only more of us were like them...

Rainy but warm outside. My wardrobe can't keep pace with all the weather changes. Happy Friday everyone.

Posted by: badsneakers | November 5, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

slyness,
Not to make light of your recent streak of luck there, but you are nearly qualified to be a professional mourner. Hang in there.

That lottery winning couple is a very sweet story. Not sure I could be that altruistic. She is still bald from her chem treatment, so I would say they were blessed before their recent good fortune.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Onion soup. I think I recall the local high school band selling onions, tons of them, to pay for travel.

LA Times has a story explaining why California's foreclosure crisis is clearing up while Florida's is stuck in crisis mode.

Curious high speed rail politics:
1. The state's been provided some $2 billion to build a line from Tampa to Orlando. That's on top of the sunk cost of rebuilding I-4 with a median suitable for tracks (I-4 was a very early Interstate; it should perhaps have been conserved as a historic landmark).
2. Incoming House Transportation & Infrastructure chairman Mica is from the Orlando area. He wants to stop the project and concentrate instead on Washington-to-Boston high speed rail (not a bad idea)
3. The incoming Republican Speaker of the Florida House is from the same community as Mica. He worked mightily to make rail projects happen. He wants it built.
4. The incoming Governor, Rick Scott, is probably counting the days until he can turn down the $2 billion and make like his colleague in New Jersey, the governor who stopped the rail tunnel to New York.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | November 5, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

(I-4 was a very early Interstate; it should perhaps have been ***rebuilt 20 years ago back when I lived in Tampa and it would have done me some good.***)

Fixed that for you, DotC.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

'Morning, Boodle. Happy Friday.

It seems to be a quiet morning, and the trolls are gone, so I think I'll ask my Boodle poll questions now. This is a multi-part question which requires some set-up to get where I want to go. Some of you may see what's coming, some not. If you think you know where I'm going, please don't jump ahead until I get there. Okay, here's the first part.

A man and a woman go out on a date. They go to a bar or a club, they drink, they dance. There appears to be some good chemistry. At some point, either at the club or later, they kiss. At some point late at night/after midnight, they get in his car and drive out of town somewhere and park. After some preliminaries and some apparent hesitation, the guy says to the woman words to the effect of, "Okay, strip and have sex with me, or you can walk home."

Now, the preliminary question is, what does the Boodle think of this guy and his request and behavior.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 5, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I think the case can be made for numerous infrastructure improvement projects. My husband and I rode the T from Boston's Logan into downtown Boston to pick up a rental car we had reserved.

We burst into a gaggle of giggles immediately, since our experience with high-speed rail is BART in the San Francisco Bay Area. Our progress was slow as we traveled to downtown Boston, the car snaking, moaning, groaning, creaking, ear-splitting shrieking. One had only to look out the car windows to see how ancient the tunnels are--this system is the oldest subway system in the United States and wears its age disgracefully. The bumping and grinding ride prompted me to blurt out (a line I used over and over) that there are parts of Boston's T system that must be held together with Elmer's Glue.

Only a half hour after we were on the freeway south out of Boston to one of its outlying bedroom communities, my husband cursed and exclaimed loudly because cars were passing him on the shoulder at high rates of speed. Well, signs told us within a few miles that traffic is permitted in these breakdown lanes in the mornings and evenings--during the commuter rush, that lane-clogging rush sometimes lasting well past 8 p.m. we discovered on several late evenings.

What is so evident and so sorely needed is that these two-lane freeways ought to be expanded permanently to three-lanes, and I suppose the need is more than a decade old. It is also so obviously the case with San Antonio's outer freeway loop, Loop 1604, obsolete as soon as the better (more modern) parts of it (without traffic lights and decent on- and off-ramps) were completed.

What exists crumbles and falls apart and what is built doesn't meet needs.

Posted by: laloomis | November 5, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

As cool as it would be, I've never understood the business model for a high speed rail between Tampa and Orlando. There really isn't that much inter-city business traveler market like there is on the Bos-Wash corridor. Neither city is a paragon of public transit, so cars/buses/shuttles are badly needed at each end of the terminus. It just seems like a ploy for hotels in Tampa to cash in on the DisneyWorld market.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Despicable.

Posted by: dmd3 | November 5, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

If he didn't just commit a crime, she should.

Posted by: LostInThought | November 5, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Received from a good friend this summer...

Never argue with a woman who reads!

One morning, the husband returns the boat to their lakeside cottage after several hours of fishing and decides to take a nap.

Although not familiar with the lake, the wife decides to take the boat out. She motors out a short distance, anchors, puts her feet up, and begins to read her book.
The peace and solitude are magnificent.

Along comes a Fish and Game Warden in his boat. He pulls up alongside the woman and says, 'Good morning, Ma'am. What are you doing?'

'Reading a book,' she replies, (thinking, 'Isn't that obvious?')

'You're in a Restricted Fishing Area,' he informs her.

'I'm sorry, officer, but I'm not fishing. I'm reading.'

'Yes, but I see you have all the equipment.
For all I know you could start at any moment. I'll have to take you in and write you up.'

'If you do that, I'll have to charge you with sexual assault,' says the woman.

'But I haven't even touched you,' says the Game Warden.

'That's true, but you have all the equipment. For all I know you could start at any moment.'

'Have a nice day ma'am,' and he left.

MORAL:
Never argue with a woman who reads. It's likely she can also think.

Posted by: laloomis | November 5, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Hm, I'm curious where you're going with this, Mudge, because this part is easy. Coercion for sex is sick, period. Putting myself in this woman's place, if I had been sexually attracted to him earlier in the evening, that statement would close the door on it immediately and forever and also lead to some soul-searching as to how I didn't pick up on his extreme jerkitude (putting it mildly) right away.

Posted by: -bia- | November 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Hello my friends!

Hard week of being behind computer (HA HA HA) now followed by hard week of selling stuff to group of people who, at one time, were and maybe still are total strangers. If I'm lucky these days, I take Monday a bit slow, I guess that's a weekend for me.

I was thinking about what slyness was mentioning. Those streaks start to happen, but I am wondering if we will start to see more of this as more and more people go without regular health maintenance because of the changing economic landscape.

More people will fail to make it to 65 and, of that group making it, they will "limp in" with issues that have gone years with issues that have been merely accommodated and not addressed. I fear that we don't know the actual size of the cost to the American working population. I would consider it in the range of the cost to America for unaddressed or encouraged cigarette smoking for decades.

Posted by: russianthistle | November 5, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

As it happens, I agree entirely with dmd, LiT and bia. Here's where I'm going:

The other evening, the person (my neighbor) who I go water aerobics with, was driving, and she's a country & western fan. (As some of you know, I generally dislike most but not all C&W, so one thing I'm trying to do here is ignore my own admitted prejudice.) She had just gotten the new Toby Keith CD and was playing it. A song started to play, and she said, "Oh, listen to this one, it's funny."

So Toby (whom I don't especially like) started to sing his new song, "Get Out of My Car." Here are the lyrics:

Girl, you drank all my beer
And the whiskey's all gone,
I'm sittin' here
Ready to get it on
You got me thinkin' you won't
You got me thinkin' you might
Hell it's 3 o'clock in the morning
And I can't beat around the bush all night

(chorus)
W'eve already kissed,(we've already kissed)
We've already danced (we've already danced)
You're wonderin' if you oughta put on your shoes
Or pull down your pants
What would it hurt
To pull off that shirt
Hey we've already come this far
Get outta your clothes
Or get outta my car

Whichever your choose
I'm ready to go
I could take it to the house baby
Or I can drive it on home
We could do it right here
Or do it somewhere else
But make up your mind
Do somethin' quick
Or I'm gonna do it myself

(Chorus)

(spoken) We're gonna drive around a little while now
Scoot over here in the middle baby

We"ve already kissed
We"ve already danced
And you"re wonderin" if you oughta pull off my boots
Or pull down your pants (c'mon pull down your pants)
Hey what would it hurt
To take off that shirt
Hey we've already come this far
Get outta your clothes
Or get outta my car

I got out outta my clothes
She got outta my car

(spoken) What's up baby? Bye, bye darlin' - Stike 3

---------

Now, just in case there's a question about how he sings it, and whether the performance changes the lyrics in some way, here's the YouTube of it, so you can hear it for yourself. Note, please, the crowd reaction, especially from women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmC7a4FO7A

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 5, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Blackmail, Mudge. Despicable. Might be illegal. Next question?

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 5, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

mudge, in addressing your question, I guess that I would feel compelled to give tax breaks to the very wealthy... try not to make it permanent and then, when I'm back home, figure out a way to kick him in the BaXXs at the appropriate moment after racking up another 7 billion in debt and trashing all government services including the new student loan program and the good parts of the health care initiative.

I might possibly consider 2012 a good time to find some revenge.

On the lighter side, did anyone see S. Colbert and his orange balloon bit?

Posted by: russianthistle | November 5, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I haven't listened to the youtube, but one explanation for a positive reaction from women in the audience or of the "this is funny" comment from your neighbor could be in the fact that she did indeed get out of the car. So it's a rejection of the coercion. Stupid guy thinks he can force sex from her, and she shoves it back in his face. She's asserting her own power -- I'll go as far as I want, and just because I wanted to go this far, doesn't mean you can push me any farther. And the stupid guy is left at the end naked and clueless.

Posted by: -bia- | November 5, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Wait, wait. I am backboodling and find that Mudge is installing furious repulsive old gentlemen in the finished room over garage? ScienceTim has become a bear, or possibly the Pope, who was George Will all along? RickoShea is mowing down innocent civilians, and Scottynuke was briefly grounded in reality but is leaving the area and returning to normal?

This is a lot of confusion for a Friday.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 5, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

To Boodle Poll: in your first post, you describe an attempted crime. No doubt, no excuse.

Put in context, it is very interesting. Among other things, it shows the difference between popular entertainment and real life. First, the women in that audience are Toby Keith fans. If he were Tom Jones, they'd be throwing underwear. I suspect not a few of them are thinking, fondly, that if THEY were in that car there would be no hesitation. This, of course, changes the circumstances of the song, because those women are thinking of consensual sex while the lyrics are not. However, it colors their response to the performance. Then, as bia says, at the end the woman gets out of the car. Leaves him flat (and bare). This is funny - and it makes the whole "sex in a car with Toby Keith" fantasy okay, since, like the woman in the song, those women know they could leave at any time, they could walk home, and it would be okay.

Put them in a real car with a relative stranger under the same circumstances and I am certain most of them would not react with even a shiver of pleasure. Probably there'd be at least a shiver of danger.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 5, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Exactly so, I-mom.

Reality... what a concept. :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 5, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

More Boodle Poll: In an way, Toby Keith is giving the women fans permission to reject him and by extension all other men. After all, he sings about how much he wants this woman, how frustrated he is with her, how he's ready to force the issue - and how, in response, she leaves. His response is not angry or violent, it is rueful, matter-of-fact, win-some-lose-some. He tried, she didn't play, he lost. I don't like the word "empowering", but it does fit.

I am confident about my read of the audience. The Winstar is a Chickasaw casino in Oklahoma, this is an Oklahoma crowd, and Toby Keith is an Oklahoma boy.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 5, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Mudge ... just catching up (like Imom) so let me listen and watch the youtube. Initial reaction, though ... if I'd even let myself get out there in the first place (unlikely) I'd have been hiking out right quick, but not before finding a sharp object for tire-puncture application ... or worse. Hand me my walking cane.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 5, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

As far as date-rape songs go, you can't really beat "Baby, It's Cold Outside."

Posted by: -TBG- | November 5, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I just can't get past how despicable this song is. I'll grant bia and IM's notion that at the end the woman gets out of the car (and presumably walks home). But to get to that payoff I've got to listen to about 2 minutes 45 seconds of really ugly male behavior, without any apparent recognition or self-awareness that the guy was a jerk.

The women screaming and cheering, it seems to me, must already know the conclusion of the song, because otherwise how could they laugh and cheer unless they knew the payoff?

I'm trying to cut Toby a break, and also overcome my own dislike of C&W, but I can't do it. Even with the punchline, this is one ugly song.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 5, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I agree with bia and Ivansmom. The cheers are for the woman who has thwarted the date rapey character narrating the song. Not only did he not get any action, he is naked and humiliated. It's a pretty standard country music song writing twist ending.

Me, I prefer my redneck women who in love with my tractor a little on the trashy side.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Sting sings about stalking, Pink about spousal abuse, Carrie Underwood about property destruction as a means of payback. Lots of people sing about very ugly things, start a larger oonversation, etc., and get applause and adoring fans. Fairytale-ish, teaching about the bogeyman in the woods.

Posted by: LostInThought | November 5, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, you and I share similar views in reference to C&W, I think what is most sad is that we assume most men would not behave like the man in the song, but that is not the case. Until I read the very end I was disgusted but then with the woman taking control of the situation it bothered me less, enough to cheer - perhaps not. Thinking this is tame compared to the lyrics of some other genres.

TBG, elder daughter came down the stairs imploring me to listen to a song on her IPOD that she just loved, it was Baby - It is Cold outside - from the new Glee album. It was good (sung by Kurt).

Posted by: dmd3 | November 5, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

yello, here you go.

Obscure country with a lyric you can get behind.

http://www.jimmills.net/audio/I%20want%20a%20woman%20who%20can%20mow/Artist%20-%20I_want_a_woman_who_can_mow.mp3

I want a woman who can mow!

Posted by: edbyronadams | November 5, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Mudge, given that it was a Winstar concert, I pretty much guarantee you that audience knew the punch line already. I agree, that is what makes the song bearable, or funny if you're inclined that way. But also remember, much of what that particular concert audience was feeling had little to do with the lyrics.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 5, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

RE: the question @ hand, I would only generalize what I-mom said: many fan bases will ignore the underlying situation in many songs, simply because "their" artist is playing the song.

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 5, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

***scratching Toby Keith's Greatest Hits off my Christmas list for mudge***

I started listening to country music when my best friend in ninth grade explained how smutty all the songs were. Then my dad came home from Taiwan with over a hundred country albums he bought for a quarter each. I know way more classic 70s country than any guy without cowboy boots deserves to know. I know all the greats: Johnny Cash, Conway Twitty, Charlie Rich, Charlie Pride, Willie and Waylon, Kris Kristofferson, Loretta Lynn, Crystal Gayle.

That is a boatload of drinkin', cheatin', fightin', and love makin'.

Q. What do you get if you play a country song backwards?

A. Your house back, your dog back, your wife back...

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I don't think the underlying messages get lost. Here we are talking about it. And Aerosmith gave Janie a gun. P. Benetar certainly raised awareness with Hell is for children.

Posted by: LostInThought | November 5, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Instead of cutting tobykeith a break, cut C&W one, Mudge. That's a vast and diverse genre of music to beat over the head using one little misogynist d**khead's idiocy as a stick. I mean, for all of us it's perfectly fine to feel no affinity with or even antipathy for any particular type of music, but t.b. isn't exactly the Hall of Fame icon of C&W.

As far as that song and the idol-besotted and drunken reactions of the women? ... stupid and delusional.

Date-rape is real, though. Whether the perp is a celeb or just boynextdoor, it's about an attempt to exert power over someone else (by design, usually) and it's ugly and criminal. When I was younger I let myself get into a situation that would have resulted in a date-rape had I not had the physical power to prevent it. I don't tolerate it as a laughing matter ... I don't care *how* cute Mr. Keith or his ilk think they are. Wrong.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 5, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Listen real close to Rod Stewart's 'Tonight's The Night' sometime:

Stay away from my window
Stay away from my back door too
Disconnect the telephone line
Relax baby and draw that blind

Kick off your shoes and sit right down
Loosen off that pretty French gown
Let me pour you a good long drink
Ooh baby don't you hesitate cause

Tonights the night
It's gonna be alright
Cause I love you girl
Ain't nobody gonna stop us now

**************************************
Nope. Not date-rapey at all. And that counts as a tender love ballad in the Rod Stewart songbook.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Less obscure country from a fabulous lyricist who comes by it honestly since he is Larry McMurty's son.

Ruby said "You're gettin' us in a world of hurt.
Down below the Mason-Dumbass line the food gets worse.
I can't go back to Tennessee
that NASCAR country's not for me.
Go on, if you think you must."

Carlos packed his drums up in the dark of night
Ruby's standing just outside the front porch light
chain-smoking Camel straights
the sky off to the east got gray
And he rolled off in a cloud of dust.

And the gray colt knickered at the gate
She said "You're right its getting late.
You and me got work to do
we can't be burning daylight too."
She took down the long lead rope
and stayed off that slippery slope

The aspen trees were turning gold up top
The talk was buzzin 'round the beauty shop
"Wasn't he barely half her age.
Well that's just how they do now days.
We should all had been so lucky."

By spring she'd had the run of the free born men
Ruby turned 50 in a sheep camp tent
her body still could rock all night
but her heart was closed and locked up tight

Potato fields all muddy and brown
the gossip long since quieted down

And after one more Coggins test
Pouring coffee for the county vet
Pictures on the ice box door
of Carlos in the first Gulf War
Black-eyed brown and youthful face
smiling back from a Saudi base

And then Carlos on the big bay mare
Heavier now and longer hair
Looking past the saddle shed
From way on back inside his head

And the old vet said, "One day, Rube,
that colt will break an egg in you.
Now and then one comes along
you just can't ride." And he went on home.

And the storm door didn't catch
It blew back hard as she struck a match
But she cupped it just in time
And she sent that ash tray flyin'

And holding back the flood
Just don't do no good
You can't unclench your teeth
To howl the way you should
So you curl your lips around
The taste, the tears, and the hollow sound
That no one owns but you
No one owns but you.

Carlos took the road gig and he saw it through
He rode the tour bus while the singer flew
Managed out of music row
Carlos never saw the studio
Session guys had that all sewn up.

He looks out the window and it starts to sleet
Laying on a friend's couch on Nevada Street
Lately he's been staying high
Sick all winter and they don't know why
They don't know why or they just won't say
They don't talk much down at the V.A.

And Ruby's in his thoughts sometimes
What thoughts can get out past the wine
He feels her fingers on his brow
And right then he misses how
She looked in that gray morning light
She never shaved like they all do now
He sees it all behind his eyes
and his hands go searching but they come up dry

And half way in that wakin' dream
Carlos lets the land line ring
He never guessed it was Ruby calling
The pin in her hip from the gray colt falling
Figure eight in a lazy lope
Stumbled on that slippery slope

Posted by: edbyronadams | November 5, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Rod Stewart has always creeped me out, never saw the appeal to his music - I know in the minority again.

Posted by: dmd3 | November 5, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

And half way in that wakin' dream
Carlos lets the land line ring
He never guessed it was Ruby calling
The pin in her hip from the gray colt falling
Figure eight in a lazy lope
Stumbled on that slippery slope

And holding back the flood
Just don't do no good
You can't unclench your teeth
To howl the way you should
So you curl your lips around
The taste, the tears, and the hollow sound
That no one owns but you
No one owns but you.

Posted by: edbyronadams | November 5, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

You may be right about those songs by Sting, Pink and CU, LiT, I dunno--I'm not familiar with them. But is there some merit to the notion that Toby's song trivializes date rape by making a joke out of it? Also, simply as a song, by itself, what about the question of listening to 2:45 of ugliness just to get to a brief one-liner punchline?

I think the woman in the song is damn lucky she got away so easily, and that the guy was indifferent enough to "let" her get out of the car; I'm not sure how many guys would just go along with that without the situation getting worse, not better.

Be that as it may, this song also represents one of the underlying themes of a lot of C&W songs that I despise: the notion that men are basically glasshats. I got myself drunk, I cheated on my woman, I'm a low-down lyin' cheatin' piece-o-s--- skunk -- but hey, I'm still a lovable country boy with Christian values (notwithstanding drunken date-rape) who loves his momma and Jesus and I'm a patriot, even if I am an alcoholic, cheap-beer-swillin' horndog -- but I hope, darlin', you can forgive me, and I hope you'll take me back, even though I am basically a worthless waste of oxygen and you can do much, much better than me without too much trouble. I mean, jeez, buddy, at least upgrade your choice of beer, fer cryin' out loud.

Just once I want to see a C&W singer with a bottle of Three Floyds Oak Aged Dark Lord Russian Imperial Stout or Struise Pannepot Reserva in his hand. Even a bottle of St. Pauli Girl.

No, just not my kinda music.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 5, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I hate Toby Keith because he is a loud-mouthed jingoistic egomaniac. Or at least he plays one in his songs.

But you can have my Jo Dee Messina albums when you pry them out of my cold dead fingers.

The one country song that has always disturbed me down to the pit of my stomach is Garth Brooks 'Papa Loved Mama'.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Rod Stewart? Ick ... hand my my cane again.

Consensual or not at all, I say!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM02WcvlKn0

Posted by: talitha1 | November 5, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Also from the Sting songbook:

Loose talk in the classroom
To hurt they try and try
Strong words in the staffroom
The accusations fly
It's no use, he sees her
He starts to shake and cough
Just like the old man in
That book by Nabokov

*****************************************

Which brings us from creepy guys in pop songs back to creepy guys in literature.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

TBG,

Every time I hear 'Baby It's Cold Out', I picture the scene from 'Pillow Talk' where Tony Randall has lured Doris Day up to his cabin under false pretenses and starts plying her with alcohol.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

LiT,
I was watching the Pink video for 'Please Don't Leave Me' the other day and noted that there is NO way that image would be acceptable if the genders of the characters were reversed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eocCPDxKq1o

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

We teach ugly things to children by painting them up real pretty or very silly. If Little Red Riding Hood doesn't keep them out of the woods, Hansel and Gretel will.

Posted by: LostInThought | November 5, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

On a much lighter note ..... I've been thinking over the last couple of days about Mr/Mrs. Baldinho and their eminent arrival. Hope they are all well.

What brought it to mind this morning was a call from sonchild. He is in the final throes of signing the papers on his very first home (a 1920s owner-built craftsman-style cottage in the redwoods outside Santa Cruz CA) and was filling me in on the details. We got to talking and he said he remembered that when he was little there was a friend of ours that called him "beetle-boodle" as a nickname, usually shortened to "boodle". I had completely forgotten that our friend, David, had called him that for years ... and I don't remember why it even started. But "boodle" baldinho, as someone teased the expectant Dad here the other night, better watch out. Tee-hee!

Posted by: talitha1 | November 5, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

YJ, but then it wouldn't work...the taboo there is spousal abuse where the husband is the victim.

But Mudge, if the difficult nature is such a turnoff, Titus Andronicus would never have been staged. What art, literature, music does best -- illuminate that which no one talks about.

Posted by: LostInThought | November 5, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"I cheated on my woman, I'm a low-down lyin' cheatin' piece-o-s--- skunk -- but hey, I'm still a lovable country boy with Christian values (notwithstanding drunken date-rape) who loves his momma and Jesus and I'm a patriot, even if I am an alcoholic, cheap-beer-swillin' horndog -- but I hope, darlin', you can forgive me, and I hope you'll take me back, even though I am basically a worthless waste of oxygen and you can do much, much better than me without too much trouble."

Channeling Bill Clinton, eh Mudge?

Posted by: kguy1 | November 5, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

scc: "That's dragonhead to you, momhead. Don't call me sonchild or beetle-boodle." I stand corrected.

Posted by: talitha1 | November 5, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

It isn't that the subject matter is "difficult," LiT. It is that to my ear, the singer as well as the protagonist of the song seem to have no self-awareness of their wrong-doing. It is in no way analagous to Titus Andronicus or any other piece of work about unpleasant subjects. And it is absurd to think that Titus A (or any other Shakespearean work) trivilizes its subject matter, or makes fun of things that shouldn't be made fun of. (I'm assuming here that you'd agree that rape and/or date-rape isn't inherently funny or a suitable subject for humor.)

It's not a question of the subject matter per se, at all; it is about how it is handled.

And heaven knows, Toby Keith is no Shakespeare.

And I don't think the word "turnoff" applies much to the discussion at hand.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 5, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, I don't feel bad that I have no take on Toby Keith. Toby Keith. Geez.

As for Rod Stewart, Gasoline Alley is one fine album. Been listening to it again, after all those years. Albums after that, eh, not so much.

Posted by: Jumper1 | November 5, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, check out "You ain't much fun (since I quit drinkin'" You'll love it!

Posted by: cowhand214 | November 5, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

scc: just . . . ignore all the various problems

Posted by: cowhand214 | November 5, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

How about them Gatlin boys? They made a man out of the coward of the county because fighting back is the correct response to having your wife gang-raped. I'm sure that song gets lots of cheers in concert when Tommy locks the door and starts kicking @$$.

And first person accounts of bad guys who get their comeuppance are all over literature. Not every narrator is a hero. We had this talk before.

By Toby Keith standards this song practically makes him NOW Man Of The Year.

Spoiler Alert: If you are easily incensed by tales of date rapists who don't face swift and immediate justice, stay away from the first chapter of 'Freedom.'

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

As the hip-hop crowd (often heard at the Ivanshouse) would say, "Now don't be hatin'."

There's some misogynistic, violent stuff - interspersed with wit and pointed social commentary. It is a rich source of discussion. By the way, that's how to turn a teen off unpleasant music. Listen to it with them and talk about it.

The Boy's usual response, "Mom, I just like the beat. I don't listen to the lyrics." Sometimes this is true, even though scary, since he can recite them along with the performer. Kinda like timestables, I think, he isn't paying attention.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 5, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Jumper,
In middle school 'Do Ya Think I'm Sexy?' was the most requested song in my lunchtime acapella repertoire. Then I discovered 'Hot Blooded' and a musical legend was born.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

That made me laugh, Ivansmom... haven't you ever been singing along to a song from your teen years and thought, "huh?" when you realized what the lyrics were saying?

Posted by: -TBG- | November 5, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I-mom,
My son figured out right away that 'I'll Be Watching You' was far from a tender love ballad. We did have to explain the irony of Meatloaf's 'Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad.' But he was completely oblivious to the inherent hilarity of the situation the time he was making out in the back seat with his girlfriend and 'Paradise By The Dashboard Light' came on the radio. Something tells me he wasn't paying attention.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I assume that Toby Keith would say that the lyrics are just a "persona," much in the same way that Nabokov did. And I don't think that country music can do "creepy" in the same way that literature can, so that may have some influence on the interpretation.

I do have to assume that even Toby Keith (plus his manager, publisher, and music rep) is aware that some could find the lyrics objectionable so he probably had to do a little 'splainin' before he put it on tape (or more likely silicon).

Posted by: Awal | November 5, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

TBG,
My wife claims to have gone all through high school without knowing what the lyrics to 'Afternoon Delight' really meant. With her, it's plausible.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

'afternoon, all. I was sitting in a meeting over lunch and the topic turned to a new research program that's getting set up, potentially to be funded "forever." Someone quipped, "The more successful we are, the longer forever will be." I think that's my new "Carthago delenda est."

Posted by: lostnspace | November 5, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

For my high school years "Afternoon Delight" was getting home in time to watch "Star Blazers."

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 5, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Just last week some radio station played "Paradise by the Dashboard Light" when I had my 9 year old twins in the car. I could literally watch them screw their faces up trying to understand exactly what was going on in the song. At the end the only question they could come up with was "why was there a baseball announcer in that song?" I was a little relieved, but it won't be too many more years before there won't need to be any explanations.

Posted by: Awal | November 5, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Help how do I get "Afternoon Delight" tune cootie from my head, painful!

Posted by: dmd3 | November 5, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

My high school English teacher told us that she had to quickly hit the fast forward on the tape deck every time her kids were in the car and track 9 of 'Songs You Know By Heart' came on.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Tried to post, but it got eaten.

Mudge, No need to go all postal there, especially since I think you're missing my point. But that doesn't matter. I didn't say TA trivializes anything, and what TK has done is pretty commonplace in popular music of the past 50 years. Maybe you're out of touch?

Posted by: LostInThought | November 5, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"... I think what is most sad is that we assume most men would not behave like the man in the song, but that is not the case."

I don't know most men. But I feel pretty confident asserting that virtually none of the men I consider to be friends or close acquaintances would act (or would ever have acted) that way.

Posted by: bobsewell | November 5, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Hola, boodle. I've been away for a couple days, but for the best reason possible.

The Boy now has a small The Girl for a sister. The Mom is doing great. The Girl arrived on Wednesday early evening.

Life is good.

Posted by: baldinho | November 5, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Life is great, baldhino!

Congratulations! A boodle baby girl... what a wonderful thing!

Posted by: -TBG- | November 5, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

bob-s,
Amen. Forcing yourself on a woman in a car is just unthinkable. Even the really big pick-up trunks only come with bucket seats, which makes it really uncomfortable.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Bob you are correct, I should have said not all men. I do not believe most men would act that way and I apologize to you and the other men of the boodle.

That said there are still too many men that need to learn what is and is not acceptable in their attitudes and behaviour towards women and for that matter there are women who need to do the same towards men.

Posted by: dmd3 | November 5, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

baldinho,
Great news! Congratulations! Just remember not to let your babies grow up to me cowboys. Make them be doctors and lawyers and such.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

*faxing pink cigars to baldinho*

YAY -- a baby woman!

Now, see, I was gonna tell the boodle that my brain is still quite mushy from the past two days, that I really haven't back-boodled much, that I missed all the post-election boodling (for lack of time and, frankly, wanting to ignore it -- haven't read the paper for three days, either, for the same reasons), not to mention feeling awful about missing last evening's BPH with CowTown and Missus CowTown et al. ........ and I had no idea how to jump into the pile of boodle leaves and just, you know, start swimming ...

And, lo and behold, baldinho comes in with his wonderful announcement that there's a branding spanking (no -- never spank a child) new boodler, posting in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS for the time being, but still, what a wonderful way to just carry us along ......

*taking still mushy brain outta the boodle until it calms down a bit*

Posted by: ftb3 | November 5, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

yellowjkt - that would be Kenny Rogers, not the Gatlin Brothers. Ya live in rural Louisiana, ya learn these things:-)

My wife had loved the Kinks' "Lola" forever - but she stopped in her tracks when I was singing the lines about "Well I'm not the world's most masculine man but I know what I am and I'm a h#$% of a man and so's Lola." And just that once, it wasn't my horrible singing that stopped her; she'd never figured out those lines before.

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | November 5, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Congrats baldinho!

Posted by: dmd3 | November 5, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

ArmyBrat,
'Coward of the County' is by Kenny Rogers. The gang-raping characters in the song are called the 'Gatlin boys.' This caused some umbrage on the part of the band The Gatlin Brothers, understandably. Not enough to prevent them from being Kenny's opening act the following year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coward_of_the_County#Controversy_over_the_Gatlins

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

yellojkt - good point; I hadn't looked that up.

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | November 5, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Welcome, baby baldinha!

Posted by: -bia- | November 5, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

congrats, baldinho!

from the radioactive wildlife file:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/11/05/national/a073118D35.DTL&tsp=1

Posted by: -jack- | November 5, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

O a Lady Baby, so sweet to know. A LADY Baby....I will announce this a my happy hour: an imaginary lady baby is born to us this day.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 5, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Out of touch with what? Whether date-rape is good or bad, or that it's become less objectionable and I didn't get the memo? Out of touch with Shakespeare? I don't know what I could be out of touch with, excpe C&W people, and I'll admit right upfront I was never in touch with them in the first place. Or them with me. Which is what this has been all about.

Discussion of "Coward of the County" brings up another point. Nowhere in the Car song is any moral objection expressed, by anybody-- not the singer ex parte, not the male character, and not the female. Yes, she rejects him and gets out of the car. But where is her anger? We don't know if she found his behavior objectionable, or merely didn't like him, or had a headache, or what. dmd called his action despicable, and IM suggest an actual crime -- but where in the song is that reflected. The woman just says, in effect, thanks but no thanks. And he blows her off: "Bye, bye, darlin'. Strike 3." We have no reason to believe he has seen the error of his ways, and there's no reason to believe he won't try this tomorrow night with somebody else. The woman, meanwhile, seems unperturbed as well. Finally, the singer himself shows no special thought or emotion, other than it's just a joke.

In "Coward of the County," it is quite clear, as yello says, that it's a gang rape, and there isn't a scintilla of evidence that it is wrong and repugnant, and that the boy is a hero for stopping it. It is quite clear who the good guy is, who the bad guys are, and what the bad act is. The listener isn't remotely expected to laugh at it, nor blow it off. The two songs are not equivalent in any meaningful way.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | November 5, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Yay and congratulations to baldinho and baldinspouse, and a big HOWDY to Boodlette!
Give baldinBoy a big hug, since he's a big brother now.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 5, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Here you go Mudgie-

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-taking-no-joy-in-cowboys-pathetic-collapse,18405/

Posted by: kguy1 | November 5, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Congrats indeed Baldinho. Welcome to little Baldinha. You've got 18-20 years of mildly enjoyable trouble ahead pardner.
It rained almost all day but I managed a dry walk with the VLP. Other than that I mostly prepared for Winter. The garage is almost ready to actually house cars.
I threaded the sunflowers' seed heads I grew out this summer into the fence. This was the black squirrels' Christmas, a little messy but fun.
All those old white guys look alike anyway. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/asylum-seekers-disguise-sparks-federal-probe-of-airlines-conduct/article1786681/

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 5, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

New Kit!

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Thanks all. The Girl arrived in New Hampshire about 16 hours after election night was over.

I think Rick Santorum was here within 12. Yechhhhh.

Posted by: baldinho | November 5, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Yay and congratulations to baldinho and baldinspouse, and a big HOWDY to Boodlette!
Give baldinBoy a big hug, since he's a big brother now.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 5, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Congrats indeed Baldinho. Welcome to little Baldinha. You've got 18-20 years of mildly enjoyable trouble ahead pardner.
It rained almost all day but I managed a dry walk with the VLP. Other than that I mostly prepared for Winter. The garage is almost ready to actually house cars.
I threaded the sunflowers' seed heads I grew out this summer into the fence. This was the black squirrels' Christmas, a little messy but fun.
All those old white guys look alike anyway. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/asylum-seekers-disguise-sparks-federal-probe-of-airlines-conduct/article1786681/

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 5, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

My brilliant commentaries to the new kit(s) are being ignored. Familiar problem?

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | November 5, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, double-posted new kit and I'm seeing posting fail. Anybody having the same problem?

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 5, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, double-posted new kit and I'm seeing posting fail. Anybody having the same problem?

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 5, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, double-posted new kit and I'm seeing posting fail. Anybody having the same problem?

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | November 5, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

There is a major factual error in the new kit. I'm sure it's resolution is part of the issue.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Yay and congratulations to baldinho and baldinspouse, and a big HOWDY to Boodlette!
Give baldinBoy a big hug, since he's a big brother now.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 5, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Nope. I have word it's just random Movable Type FUBARishness.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 5, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"These ideas," Boudreaux says, "are almost exclusively about how other people should live their lives. These are ideas about how one group of people (the politically successful) should engineer everyone else's contracts, social relations, diets, habits, and even moral sentiments." Liberalism's ideas are "about replacing an unimaginably large multitude of diverse and competing ideas... with a relatively paltry set of 'Big Ideas' that are politically selected, centrally imposed, and enforced by government, not by the natural give, take and compromise of the everyday interactions of millions of people."
"

yet it's the GOP that wants to tell you how to live..straight, married, with the white male have the good job, no choice in procration. all of us be xtian or die.

Posted by: newagent99 | November 5, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Evening, y'all.

Been gone since early afternoon. I had spent quite a while on a post about the traditions and influences that gave rise to early C&W. Before posting I checked in to find that "Do You Think I'm Sexy", "Hot-Blooded" and "Afternoon Delight were being discussed as music. Thanks a lot ... tune-cootie purge for hours! (my post cancelled until further notice)

Gawd, even if I were as young as that I'd have been smashing vinyl or crunching cassettes!

Posted by: talitha1 | November 5, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

O a Lady Baby, so sweet to know. A LADY Baby....I will announce this a my happy hour: an imaginary lady baby is born to us this day.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | November 6, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

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