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Posted at 8:30 PM ET, 01/ 3/2011

The quarterback conundrum

By Joel Achenbach

The Redskins have to figure out their quarterback situation, and so do the Republicans. Not knowing who your quarterback is is a major problem, whether you're in the business of throwing footballs or tossing brickbats.

First, a little football: Our local professional football team just concluded another season in which most of the drama, the real highlight-reel stuff, happened during press conferences and on talk radio. This was a banner year for talking about the team. So much anguish, heartache, betrayal, recrimination. The actual football on the field wasn't as good, particularly once it became clear, pretty early on, that once again this was a team that would be watching the playoffs from the sofa. The Skins traded for the near-Hall-of-Famer Donovan McNabb, then benched him, then started him again and gave him a contract extension, and then benched him again and put him in charge of the Gatorade bucket, more or less. Rex Grossman auditioned for three games and left everyone scratching their heads. The guy can sometimes throw a laser and sometimes look as though he's a boy playing with men.

The problem with football is you can't hide the quarterback. If you want to win championships, you need a first-rate quarterback, almost always. Or at last a quarterback playing at his peak, having a career year. But look around the league -- a lot of teams are desperate to upgrade behind center. For whatever reason, there just aren't a lot of great quarterbacks these days. Or maybe the job is too hard, the defenses are too good, the pass rushers are too fast, the linebackers are too versatile, the defensive backs too skilled at jumping a route. The referees invent all kinds of rules to protect quarterbacks from being touched, breathed on, or insulted by defensive players -- you can get 15 yards these days for criticizing a quarterback's Starbucks preferences -- but still, the QBs struggle. I think the league is going to have to consider the idea of playing 11 on 10.

Now, politics: I try to be fairly well informed about political matters, but have been fuzzy about who is the leader of the Republican Party the last couple of years. Michael Steele runs the RNC, but isn't he on the way out? The leader can't be Sarah Palin, can it? I always assume she's really in a different line of business altogether -- that she's a celebrity who dabbles in politics, rather than a politician who dabbles in celebrity. Newt? Mitt Romney? Rush? Could the future leader be Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who sounds like a guy itching for a brawl?

I guess it's John Boehner and Mitch McConnell, though even there I don't yet have a clear notion of what they affirmatively believe and want to do (other than roll back health-care reform and poke the Democrats in the eye). The job of quarterbacking the Republicans is greatly complicated by the presence in the ranks of Tea Partyers, some of whom talk about contemporary American government as though it is so repressive that our society is now as devoid of freedom as Stalin's Soviet Union. They're big on the 10th amendment, which, strictly constructed, would probably prevent just about everything the federal government has done since it built the National Road after the War of 1812. It's hard to quarterback a team when some of your teammates think it's a mistake to try this thing called the "forward pass." They're wearing leather helmets and locking arms in a flying wedge.

They're the "single wing" of the party.

By Joel Achenbach  | January 3, 2011; 8:30 PM ET
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Posted by: GomerGross | January 3, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Joel, you just reminded me of a disturbing dream I had last night, Sarah and Todd Palin were in the dream, but apparently I really upset Todd as he left in a huff when I made diparaging comments about Reagan. Oddly Sarah was about 4' tall in the dream, my dad was in the dream as well - really an odd combination - I am blaming the Housewives of NJ I watched last night, curious to see what the show was about - icky people is the answer.

I do not have anything on quarterbacks, but this hockey game is fantastic, score is deceiving but really interesting 3-0 in the 2nd, but you know the US could come back quickly.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 3, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The GOP has always been run from behind the scenes by big business interests. Every 4 years or so they gather in private and try to figure out who can best be sold as a person that isn't beholden to big business. Every once in a while someone gets elected from the GOP that doesn't quite realize who runs bartertown and they get the heave ho.

It is an interesting situation to say the least. The candidate can't be truly transparently fake or the voters will catch wind of it. Sorry, Mitt. He has to seem genuinely for the people and not just a figurehead.

There aren't any obvious choices out there to fire up big rich nowadays, and big rich has been so effective lately that the country is almost broke. They may just have to punt and focus on Congress for a while.

Posted by: baldinho | January 3, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

dmd, you ate three slices of Domino's pizza supreme just before bedtime last night, didn't you? The one with pepperoni, peppers, three-day-old pieces of mystery sausage, dessicated onion slivers, and a piece of sun-dried tomato cut into eighths.

(The 4-foot-tall Sarah Palin was the key diagnostic.)

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 3, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, she's Canadian and a Carleton alumni; must have been Pizza Pizza's all-dessed with a quart of rum-laced eggnog.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 3, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I really mean this from the depths of my being: I couldn't be happier with the GOP being run by Palin, Newt, Rush, Glenn, Michael Steele, Bonehead, Princess Sparkle Pony, McConnell, and the Tea Party Brain Trust. It's practically the Dream Team. In fact, it IS the Dream Team. I think the only possible enhancement would be to put Larry the Cable Guy in charge of policy development.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 3, 2011 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I am very confused by names both in real life and on the internet. I can usually narrow people down by the first initial. I had you confused with baldinho who did used to use another alias. But by having to post an SCC, you are now above your daily average from last year.

Being the astoundingly disinterested pro football fan, one of my standard cocktail party gambits is to boldly pronounce that at any given time there are only five quarterbacks capable of leading a team to a Super Bowl victory. I then lay back while people argue about which five they are.

Of course, the Baltimore Ravens are one of many counterexamples, having perhaps the only quarterback to ever be fired for winning a Super Bowl. And then there is the sad case of Dan Marino who is the best quarterback to have never played in a Super Bowl.

Not to mention Doug Williams who did absolutely nothing for the Gay Pirates and lost two regular season games with the Ethnic Slurs only to be named Super Bowl MVP for them in their penultimate Super Bowl victory.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 3, 2011 9:19 PM | Report abuse

The Boehner-coloured coach never gave much of a chance to McNabb and none to Haynesworth. The man's ego is bigger than the team and he will only bring mediocrity unless he had the pick of every player and it will not happen. I think that Shanahan is a problem that can be solved only one way: fire is a$$.
Rex Grossman has been Rex Grossman long enough in this league have an idea. He is Rex Grossman, neither Tom Brady nor Peyton Manning.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 3, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

SCC His a$$
TO have

G'night, gawd.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 3, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are going to be very hard to take. I hope their plan to repeal health care reform backfires on them bigtime.

This is a nice article about my former governor and current boss, Gary Locke:

Posted by: seasea1 | January 3, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

For sad Redskins fans, there is always this, possibly you won't have to watch them lose again next year :-)

Posted by: dmd3 | January 3, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Rapture 2.0?

Posted by: dmd3 | January 3, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

I am internally applying some ethanol in the form of Kopper Kettle as created by Belmont Distillery using pharmaceutical GMP best practices in a state of the art barn in Culpeper, VA. Here is a photo of their fully USP compliant facility:

And their state of the art Liquid Edible Food-Grade transport vehicle:

Posted by: yellojkt | January 3, 2011 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I think Boehner will be the front man.

After a while Budget chairman Paul Ryan might get lots of attention. It seems the House will have a new rule granting him, individually, the authority to impose appropriation ceilings. I can't quite believe that the news stories are true. If they are, this would amount to a coup against the legislative process, the sort of thing Carlos Chávez would think up. Does anyone know of a precedent?

I don't know how extensively the power of the purse may be used to curtail government programs.

FDA looks like it certainly won't be funded for the new food safety law that just went into effect, unless there's a food poisoning crises affecting Capitol Hill.

EPA looks likely to be shut out of climate change, regardless of court orders.

I wonder about the National Science Foundation being told to not fund certain kinds of research (this would be far more difficult than merely cutting NSF's total budget).

Maybe the House wing of the Capitol and the south side of the visitor center will restore everyone's right to smoke.

Ezra Klein today suggested that Congress might refuse to certify President Obama's re-election in 2012, and instead insist that he be deported to Kenya or Indonesia or wherever. Now that Ryan's become the spending dictator, the "natural born citizen" thing doesn't sound so implausible.

More seriously, I think John Mica, new chair of the transportation committee, will seek to support existing passenger rail service, but I wonder whether Ryan might abolish Amtrak.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | January 3, 2011 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't qualify as a particularly astute football fancier so I may be off base here, but in all fairness to Shanahan, it seems to me that there aren't very many Washington players (McNabb might be the only exception) who have earned the right to bring much ego to the game.

Posted by: Bob-S | January 3, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

It's a different game, but when I was in the military I worked for some prime jackasses occasionally. When I kept turning out to be right, they generally (eventually) got off my back. They weren't ever very fond of me, but higher rank only gets you so far if you've decided not to like a demonstrably competent performer. The 'Skins have not recently appeared to suffer from an overabundance of such performers.

Posted by: Bob-S | January 3, 2011 10:50 PM | Report abuse

So what did you do on your Christmas vacation?

Posted by: dmd3 | January 3, 2011 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, nothing as productive as that. But I do have what I think is a very very funny story to tell about last weekend, once the Boodle becomes sufficiently desultory.

Posted by: Yoki | January 3, 2011 11:24 PM | Report abuse

While I'm not a proponent of this course, abolishing Amtrak (if done in some orderly manner) probably wouldn't be the end of the world. In the high-traffic corridors, passenger operators would cut deals with freight roads & local/regional commuter services just like Amtrak does now. For long-haul traffic, maybe it's time to find out what the real cost of service would be. This isn't the 1890's, it's not like there aren't other ways to travel.

I think it's safe to say that nobody who's my age is going to live long enough to see a political climate in which the political will exists to dedicate sufficient tax funding to create a snazzy nationwide passenger rail service with pricing and service so attractive that large numbers of people find it to be the travel mode of choice.

I like trains as much as the next guy, but except on a few popular (and relatively short) routes it's not a sensible choice for many travelers. Can't compete price-wise with driving (or a bus) for even single travelers on most interstate trips outside the DC-NY-Philadelphia-Boston corridor, and certainly not for two or more folks traveling together. For people in any semblance of a hurry, train trips of over about 300 miles are almost non-starters unless airfares are unusually high.

As an example, I just looked for a typical trip of mine. From DC (or Alexandria, VA) to Savannah, GA, one-way, tomorrow, $160, takes about twelve hours. Even driving at a leisurely pace, getting into some traffic snares, and stopping for several breaks, I've never taken twelve hours to drive it. My average is closer to ten hours (I've done it noticeably faster) and six hundred miles doesn't require anywhere near $160 of petrol in the vehicles I drive (although I understand that in some vehicles, at some fuel prices, it might be close). So it's a judgment call traveling by myself (it IS nice to leave the driving to someone else) but would be a little nutty if even one other person was going the same way.

Posted by: Bob-S | January 3, 2011 11:55 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have always been pretty predictable in who their presidential candidate will be. It was always the guy next in line. Second in the primaries, the veep or the veep candidate. That would be Mitt Romney or Sarah Palin. I think the latter has been tarred sufficiently so as to be out of the running. You have to figure Mitt Romney. Either that or a governor who runs a brilliant campaign. It isn't going to be somebody out of Congress. That is a damn near certainty.

Quarterbacks are hard to find and projecting one from college into the pros is a crap shoot. The Orange Bowl was supposed to be a college quarterback shoot out but only one looked like a pro.

Posted by: edbyronadams | January 4, 2011 12:15 AM | Report abuse

I wish I could take a train across the country but I have to take my car and to take myself and the car on a train would be cost-prohibitive. I did buy some audio books which are gonna help pass the time and keep me awake.

Posted by: Windy3 | January 4, 2011 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Tebow is looking pretty good for the Broncos even though we must now wait until next season and I'll by then be rooting for the Steelers. Doh.

Posted by: Windy3 | January 4, 2011 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Tebow is looking pretty good for the Broncos even though we must now wait until next season and I'll by then be rooting for the Steelers. Doh.

Posted by: Windy3 | January 4, 2011 12:26 AM | Report abuse

edbyronadams, I can't see Romney getting the Republican nomination for two reasons:

—The Massachusetts health care plan he signed is ACA on a state level, complete with individual mandate.

— He's a Mormon. I think that too many of the fundamentalists in the Republican primary voting pool aren't going to be able to get past this fact.

Joel missed one other thing that Repubs "affirmatively believe," possibly the number one item: rich people should always pay lower taxes than they are currently paying.

Posted by: rashomon | January 4, 2011 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Someone did a careful and funny explanation of how successful college quarterbacks aren't terribly likely to be good pros. Considering the number of boys in the US who would like nothing better than to be a pro quarterback, the process of getting there seems a little bit like becoming a physician:

1. You participate to excess in High School Culture while somehow earning top grades. This gets you into
2. A Prestigious University where the stuff you did in high school is irrelevant. Then you apply to a
3. Medical School that isn't terribly impressed that you went to the Prestigious College and instead selects someone from a Big Football University.
4. So you go to an offshore medical school, graduate, and get a residency at a New York hospital anyway.

Tebow seems simply too competent an athlete to not reinvent himself for the pros.

Trains are not terribly relevant for long trips in the US, no more than someone in Seville would take the train to Stockholm. Florida's situation is that it's become a sort of Jersey-on-a-stick, with the cities too close together for effective air travel but miserably far apart to drive, especially if you have to go the length of the Palm Beach to Miami urban strip. The I-4 corridor from St Pete to Daytona is no fun, either.

This map of Publix stores is a pretty good inadvertent map of population (or at least people with spending money) for Florida. Notice how we seem to live in strips and bunches.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | January 4, 2011 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Gosh, in CA we think that heavy-haul freight trains are much more energy-efficient for hauling heavy stuff. And feel very sorry that trucking (foul) has over-taken.

Posted by: Yoki | January 4, 2011 2:38 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, then, I guess.

Ready-room table: scones and cream and jam and Cheddar cheese. Also, a muffin or two. One pigeon-pie, and some strong French-roast coffee. Also a pot of hot China-tea -- no Earl Grey round these parts.

Posted by: Yoki | January 4, 2011 5:11 AM | Report abuse

'moring Yoki!
I'll supplement that with some leftover palmiers and a chocolate baguette from Boulangerie Au 140 (yummy yummy yummy bakery in Belleville). And leftover fresh lychees and clementines from a fruit vendor also in Belleville. And Crunchy Choco (knuspermuesli) from a local Migros in Basel.

Yello, musee d'orsay is one of my favorites too. ~ 10 years ago, DNA Guy and I were there at low tourist time and there were maybe 100 people in there. This time it was a madding crowd. Still love the museum though.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | January 4, 2011 5:34 AM | Report abuse

Bon matin, DNA_Girl! I'll take one pain au chocolat and one croissant.

Posted by: Yoki | January 4, 2011 5:44 AM | Report abuse

Ah, les palmieres! I loved them, when I could get them. All brittle and sugary and melty! Almost like fasnachtkuchen (pardon lack of accents and umlauts and italics, not my fault). Par ma faute, par ma faute.

Posted by: Yoki | January 4, 2011 5:52 AM | Report abuse

These were heavenly Yoki. Buttery, crispy, crunchy, sugary, flaky heaven.
We used to get little cookie style ones in India, but then a visiting uncle bought some for me en route from France (favorite uncle!) and I haven't forgotten that taste orgasm over decades.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | January 4, 2011 6:09 AM | Report abuse

Then we have that in common, DNA-Girl. Awww.

Posted by: Yoki | January 4, 2011 6:11 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all and most especially DNA_girl and Yoki plying us with French pastries from afar. I was in France for less than three weeks, but never had a bad meal.

Andrew Luck and Tyrod Taylor. Probably there are those who do not consider Taylor a fine quarterback because of last night's game, but, I do.

The game was disappointing for Hokies, exciting in that they were in the Orange Bowl. VT Fans in abundance. Congratulations to The Cardinal.

Front Page Alert.

Posted by: VintageLady | January 4, 2011 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Glad you made it to the Orsay, DNAGirl. I mean even if it wasn't chock full of Impressionist paintings, it would be a beautiful building. Here I am silhouetted by the giant clock:

And here is my wife looking over what used to be the train station lobby:

I would call it the prettiest museum building in Paris but the Orangerie was closed when we were there.

Please keep up with the updates so I can continue to revisit Paris vicariously.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 4, 2011 6:47 AM | Report abuse

*Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 4, 2011 7:41 AM | Report abuse

While googling Eric Cantor I came across this info, Republicans have named the bill “Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act". Sigh...

Posted by: VintageLady | January 4, 2011 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all, happy Tuesday. No fair, Yoki and DNA Girl, to be talking French pastries in early January! Don't you know we're now into diet season?

I have nothing to say about quarterbacks, so I will be quiet.

Hi Cassandra, hope you're feeling well today!

Posted by: slyness | January 4, 2011 7:51 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning, friends. JA, an excellent kit as always, and Republicans aren't the only ones that don't care for "forward pass". That label applies to lots of situations and circumstances.

Bob S, no the world wouldn't end if the government stopped Amtrak. I suspect very few people would miss it, but I'm not one of them. I guess growing up in a town where "trains" were the nerve center of everything makes me partial. I love riding the trains! I don't really care for airplanes. But that's just me.

Both my grandkids are sick, the baby has a cold and the g-girl has asthma. The g-girl went to the doctor yesterday, and the baby has an appointment today.

And the after-school program starts back today. I'm looking forward to seeing the kids, I've missed them. Just to update everyone, management decided to close the after-school program that I used to work with, and open it in another section of the apartment complex. They also hired a director. I'm happy that it has reopen, sorry to see it moved because the section it was in had the greatest need.

Slyness, the weather here was just beautiful, so sunny, but we lacked the warmth. Sun is good.

Have a good day, spread some love, folks, and love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | January 4, 2011 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Bob-S ... MagLev 300 to 400 mph floating on air. flying 1/2 an inch off the right of way.

Why waste time with high speed rail and save on the operating costs.

Posted by: russianthistle | January 4, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

The reason why it is hard to identify the leader of the Republican party is that the organizational structure has become flipped. Leadership is no longer focused on an individual, and certainly not a politician.

Conservatism is being driven by a combination of Fox news, Limbaugh, and shadowy rich donors who fund anonymous ads. These are the forces that are whipping up the faithful and convincing them that dogmatic Conservative principles are the equivalent of holy writ.

Or, put another way, there is no quarterback. There is just a rowdy crowd of people who are all screaming at the players on the field.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | January 4, 2011 8:16 AM | Report abuse

VL, You will see the clearing of the battle field on the Health Care Bill. The Republican Party is just showing that they have no clue about the economic application of magnitude. Their other problem is that the Health Care Bill actually saved money, so their repeal will raise the budget and increase the deficit.

Just as in their old tired and oft-repeated supply-sided (feed the rich and hope for the best for the poor) economics, the impacts of giving money to the rich may have some positive impact on new business investment, but the "MAGNITUDE" of that is completely dwarfed by the negative affects of other economic and policy forces at play.

As with most policy issues, we have teams of paid shill economists working for Cato and other policy collectives on the take from the Koch Bros. who make a living hiding the basic truths of key factors in our lives.

What they don't tell you is that, while businesses may be "hurt" by a small increase in costs to their company provided health care plans as this all shakes out, there will be an end-game improvement. We haven't gotten there yet.

BUT, the real truth about health care and business would be the absolute benefit of having a single payer system where by an employer provided NOTHING in the way of health care to his employee. That way, the employer mostly considers the cost of PAYING the employee in exchange for work done rather than overhead.

Further, this is causing the huge amount of under employment in the country because employers don't want to "hit the threshold where part-timers must be converted to full-time employment.

In a sense, this is taking already low paid workers (8 to 11 dollars an hour in most cases working right next to, in many cases, union folks making 15 or 16... and the fulltime people are getting benefits and 40 hours while the others are getting 20 hours or less.)

The best part is that they don't ask the part timers to do the 20 hours in 2 or 3 days, so their costs of commuting stay in check. No, these poor folks (in more ways than one) end up having to work half days or lose their job.

The point is that we have created a sub-class of workers who stand no chance of getting health care unless we go to single payers. If we do that, then companies will be more likely to fully employ folks. We are basically crushing the bottom of our work force.

Of course, we don't hear about this from "The Cato Institute." ... no

Posted by: russianthistle | January 4, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Excellent analogy, RD_P, except I'd poist they're angry soccer parents who've only read the rules for rugby.

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 4, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Front Page Alert, too...

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 4, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

SCC: posit...

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 4, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

You are dead on the money about big bidness and health care. By having to foot the bill they are directly carrying costs that other countries pay for less directly. The goals of all health care reform should be universal coverage, portability, and affordability. Obamacare (which is actually RomneyCare) really only addressed universality and not totally effectively.

The real key (if we can't go single-payer which we won't) is to use a combination of tax credits and payroll mandates (a portion of the minimum wage dedicated to health care) to move insurance from the 'benefits' side of the ledger to the payroll side.

Then insurance needs to be an individual purchase with total portability. You don't get your homeowners and car insurance from work, why should you get your health care?

But rather than suggest real, viable (key word there, most GOP proposals are red herrings) proposals, the Republicans are just playing mule and ostrich to mix animal metaphors.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 4, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Good morning boodle! Trains will make sense, even for long distance travel when two things happen. We, at a government level, stop thinking that motor vehicle travel pays its own way. We, on a personal level, start realizing the true cost of owning and using a personal vehicle (or vehicles) and demand more transit. By demand I mean vote and clamor for, but most importantly-use. I second DotC's assessment of the Florida situation. Despite the schedule limitations, and expense, people are using Amtrak to commute between Tampa and Orlando (typically for business trips requiring an overnight stay).

Good to see scones this morning, having recently reversed my anti-scone stance. Happened upon some very good ones at the independent coffee shop in Our County Seat. But please, no fruity bits.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | January 4, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse


And that's not surprising, is it? I mean the bottom always suffers, don't they? Whose going to be the recipients of all that wrong doing if not the people that can least protect themselves from it? In the larger picture, it's just history repeating itself, right?

And when the bottom stops being a sponge, people really act surprise. They never see it coming.

Like your take, too, RD.

Posted by: cmyth4u | January 4, 2011 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to thank dmd for the Rapture Update. I have added it to my calendar.

Posted by: ScienceTim | January 4, 2011 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I've already got something scheduled for that day. Anybody know if there will be a make-up date or a rain date? (Also, could I Tivo it?)

I hope those of you with younger children can find a sitter.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Well since this is the second attempt at Rapture I think it is reasonable to presume another event could happen, remember there is always Dec. 21/12. I will be a little ticked if it happens this May as we are counting on 2012, my daughters birthday theme (Apocalypse) that year is depending on it!

Posted by: dmd3 | January 4, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Shouldn't boodleskim. I thought it was raptor, and was going to go off on a bald eagles as unworthy national symbol rant.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | January 4, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

If this is going to be a pretty big event, maybe we should order some food? I'm guessing a honey-baked ham is out. Maybe a 6-foot sub? Or should we just call some restaurant like Red Hot and Blue and ask them to cater? Famous Daves?

Posted by: LostInThought | January 4, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Musical Interlude...

An American Treasure: Peter Rowan with Tony Rice doing Angel Island ... live setting

Posted by: russianthistle | January 4, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I thought we were talking about the Blondie song...

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 4, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

And I got a message-in-a-bottle from bc:

"Good morning, all -- checking in from the airlock at Camp Compression.
Comments still not working from here, unfortunately.

Anyway, I think the GOP has gone to a Wildcat offensive formation.

It's good enough to surprise the Patriots once in a while (sorry, S'nuke), but it's highly unlikely that anyone will ever win a Super Bowl with it.

That's nothing but wishbone thinking.


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 4, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

FYI, the guy (Harold Camping) who picked May 21 as the date already has a previous track record, having announced Sept. 27, 1994 as the date. When that didn't happen he went back to the drawing board (apparently this stuff is harder than it looks).

from Wiki:

"Some notable rapture predictions include the following:

1844 - William Miller predicted Christ would return between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844, then revised his prediction, claiming to have miscalculated Scripture, to October 22, 1844. The realization that the predictions were incorrect resulted in a Great Disappointment. Miller's theology gave rise to the Advent movement. The Baha'is believe that Christ did return as Miller predicted in 1844, with the advent of The Báb, and numerous Miller-like prophetic predictions from many religions are given in William Sears book, Thief in The Night.

1981 - Chuck Smith predicted that Jesus would probably return by 1981.

1988 - Publication of 88 Reasons why the Rapture is in 1988, by Edgar C. Whisenant.

1989 - Publication of The final shout: Rapture report 1989, by Edgar Whisenant. More predictions by this author appeared for 1992, 1995, and other years.

1992 - Korean group "Mission for the Coming Days" predicted October 28, 1992 as the date for the rapture.

1993 - Seven years before the year 2000. The rapture would have to start to allow for seven years of the Tribulation before the Return in 2000. Multiple predictions.

1994 - Pastor John Hinkle of Christ Church in Los Angeles predicted June 9, 1994. Radio evangelist Harold Camping predicted September 27, 1994.

2011 - Harold Camping's revised prediction has May 21, 2011 as the date of the rapture.

2060 - Sir Isaac Newton proposed, based upon his calculations using figures from the book of Daniel, that the Apocalypse could happen no earlier than 2060.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

It's a lot more than just the second attmpt, dmd. From Wiki:

"Some notable rapture predictions include the following:

1844 - William Miller predicted Christ would return between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844, then revised his prediction, claiming to have miscalculated Scripture, to October 22, 1844. The realization that the predictions were incorrect resulted in a Great Disappointment. Miller's theology gave rise to the Advent movement. The Baha'is believe that Christ did return as Miller predicted in 1844, with the advent of The Báb, and numerous Miller-like prophetic predictions from many religions are given in William Sears book, Thief in The Night.[56]

1981 - Chuck Smith predicted that Jesus would probably return by 1981.[57]

1988 - Publication of 88 Reasons why the Rapture is in 1988, by Edgar C. Whisenant.

1989 - Publication of The final shout: Rapture report 1989, by Edgar Whisenant. More predictions by this author appeared for 1992, 1995, and other years.

1992 - Korean group "Mission for the Coming Days" predicted October 28, 1992 as the date for the rapture.[58]

1993 - Seven years before the year 2000. The rapture would have to start to allow for seven years of the Tribulation before the Return in 2000. Multiple predictions.

1994 - Pastor John Hinkle of Christ Church in Los Angeles predicted June 9, 1994. Radio evangelist Harold Camping predicted September 27, 1994.[59]

2011 - Harold Camping's revised prediction has May 21, 2011 as the date of the rapture.[60]

2060 - Sir Isaac Newton proposed, based upon his calculations using figures from the book of Daniel, that the Apocalypse could happen no earlier than 2060.[61][62]"

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I swear I'm gonna sue Movable Type for misfeance, malfeasance, unfeasance, lying, fibbing, obfuscating and deliberately decceiving me. The thing flat out lies. Grrrr.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

And BlogStat, please take one off my total for next year, wouldja?

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I was referring to Camp's second attempt, but thanks for all the other dates (recent) as I vaguely recall that the rapture has been predicted throughout history, wasn't there something big expected around 1000 AD?

Anyone ever play post office when you were young, someone makes a statement, then tells another, and another and so on, in my mind much of the bible is that way - so to base mathematical calculations based on information that might not be quite accurate seems silly. Heck the multiple translations alone have probably distored enough info. Yes, I know I am a true cynic.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 4, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

But by asking BlogStat to reduce the count, it takes an additional post, thus negating the value of the request, if it could be done.

Which makes me think that bc's massive hiccup last month was just a vain attempt to claw his way back into the SAO-15. It's so brutal when founding members fall out. You have to turn in all your ceremonial robes and give back the key to the secret reference library.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 4, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

yellojkt forgets that Dan Marino played in Super Bowl XIX and lost to the Niners.

Posted by: PhilThijou | January 4, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I just have two questions.

1) Is that the same Wiliam Miller that ran for VP with Barry Goldwater in 1964?

2) Haven't the Rapture been playing in Toronto since the mid 90's?

Posted by: kguy1 | January 4, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

For my money, the real problem is the need to create a new Secret Handshake each time we need to shun somebody. I mean, I can only recall so many different ways to indicate acceptance within the "in" group.

Posted by: ScienceTim | January 4, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, yes, the poor pay. When the poor pay, we all pay, but it isn't as obvious.

jkt, I don't think that single payer is dead. I feel that either this year or the next will be really rough on our country.

The youth are taking it in the chops right now. This will be a rough Congressional session for anyone in their 50's.

We are just about to get hit by the commercial real estate bubble. Defaults will happen and another blister will form on our economy while the housing market sags along.

The point is that sometime in the near future, all this "fear" driven tea-bag stuff is going to run headlong into another shot of economic trauma. While dumping money into the economy is never pretty, this crew has no clue and they very well may take us down.

The recent discussions on debt ceilings are just child's play compared to the blood and guts stuff that we face.

We joke about the Rapture, but somewhere between 10 to 20% of America believes this stuff. They also can confused into thinking that taking this country into a depression is just "part of the grand plan."

jkt, the point being is there is probably (of course in my humble opinion) a 20% change that after the next election there is a opening to take health care the rest of the way. The real problem with tax incentives is that it goes and hurts those who don't pay any taxes. If we had a negative tax, that would be fair and I do support that.

I see a government run health plan which kept on getting attacked by the lobby as the prime option in this country in 10 years. I see us getting that through after the next elections.

The big point is that I feel, right now, the Republicans think that they once again can take advantage of a Democratically caused recovery. The problem I see is that there are WAY TOO MANY problems left and looming (and more rapture, I am sure) for this to be anything more than a brief statistical recovery, and that is based primarily on averaging in the increased earnings of the wealthy.

Posted by: russianthistle | January 4, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Mudge...was going to post the item about Newton. Perhaps I will be alive for that one.

2060, here I come....think I can make it. Apply lots of accordion tunes...IMom and Frosti will get this.

Posted by: CollegeQuaParkian1 | January 4, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Since the Rapture didn't happen by the time of the death of the last original disciple, I would take all successive predictions with a large grain of salt.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 4, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I lived on Madagascar lychees on a January trip to London. You can't get them here, except briefly and expensively in summer. Or if you know someone with a backyard orchard. The trees get big. An old one downtown is nearly 3 stories tall. The bright red fruits at the very top were being guarded by a bunch of crows.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | January 4, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

kguy! If it were, that would mean that Stephanie Miller is almost 180 years old!

Posted by: russianthistle | January 4, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all.

Warm banananana bread, coffee and OJ on the table.

I live in Da Bears Country and feel Rex Grossman should play QB only as a last resort, meaning that the fan up in row ZZ seat 99 can't pass the team physical.

As for trains, they aren't especially wheelie friendly. Ever try to get your car into an MRI tube? It's sorta like that.

Niece#3 and I will do our annual Bake-a-thon tomorrow. Brownies, pumpkin bread, apple pie and big soft ginger cookies.

Off to organize lunch. Got friends coming over in a couple of hours.

Posted by: MsJS | January 4, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, jkt, I just used your salt in my chili. Take it with some old Marjoram which I haven't used in 5 years.

Posted by: russianthistle | January 4, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

See what I did there? Have I mentioned I know *nothing* about pro football?

Posted by: yellojkt | January 4, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

RIP, Honey West and Altaira from "Forbidden Planet." Anne Francis was also in some other favorites of mine: "Bad Day at Black Rock," "Blackboard Jungle," and "Don't Go Near the Water." Lung cancer, age 80.

Dr. Edward Morbius: The fool, the meddling idiot! As though his ape's brain could contain the secrets of the Krell!
Altaira: [shocked] Father, he's *dead*!
Dr. Edward Morbius: He was warned, and now he's paid! Let him be buried with the other victims of human greed and folly!
Altaira: [coldly] Morbius. You wanted me to make a choice. Now you've chosen for me.
Dr. Edward Morbius: Alta?
Altaira: [to Commander Adams] I'm ready to go with you, darling.
[She runs up the stairs]
Dr. Edward Morbius: Altaira! No!

and for CqP:

Altaira Morbius: Where have you been? I've beamed and beamed.
Robby: Sorry, miss. I was giving myself an oil-job.
Altaira Morbius: Robby, I must have a new dress, right away.
Robby: Again?
Altaira Morbius: Oh, but this one must be different! Absolutely nothing must show - below, above or through.
Robby: Radiation-proof?
Altaira Morbius: No, just eye-proof will do.
Robby: Thick and heavy?
Altaira Morbius: Oh, no, Robby. It must be the loveliest, softest thing you've ever made for me, and fit in all the right places, with lots and lots of star sapphires.
Robby: Star sapphires take a week to crystallize properly. Would diamonds or emeralds do?
Altaira Morbius: Well, if they're large enough.
Robby: Five, ten, and fifteen carats, and on hand. I will run the dress up for you in time for breakfast. Sleep well, miss.
Altaira Morbius: Thank you, Robby. I don't care now whether I do or not!


Altaira: [swiming in a pool] Come on in.
Commander John J. Adams [Leslie Nielsen]: I didn't bring my bathing suit.
Altaira: What's a bathing suit?
Commander John J. Adams: [quickly turning his back] Oh, murder!

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Oh, FYI, Robby was a robot.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

MsJS-please post your soft ginger cookie recipe.

Departing for St. Paul in a few, thence on to Germany with Mr. F on Sat. Looking forward to that is keeping me from thinking about tomorrow's liquid diet.

Diane Roehmn's first hour was dedicated to high speed rail, with a good bit about maglev. Wish she'd retire and give up her seat to someone who does a little prep on these kinds of issues. Am I being too harsh? Has Jon Stewart set the bar too high?

Later gators!

Posted by: frostbitten1 | January 4, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"Sorry, miss. I was giving myself an oil-job."

#3 on the list of Things You Don't Want To Hear Said By Someone Near You On A Crowded Subway.

Posted by: byoolin1 | January 4, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Just checking something here -- is there anyone left outside of planetary science who still doesn't know how an email exploder works and why you shouldn't reply to a message that clearly resulted from someone who has replied to an exploder address? 'Cause my mailbox is full of results from someone in India who misunderstood how to deal with a broadcast research announcement, and people from all over the US (and some other parts of the world) who keep sending replies of their own that ask "why are you writing to me?" Perhaps it is all a well-intentioned effort to keep the original person from looking like a foolish noob by suggesting that no-one else has any brains, either.


Posted by: ScienceTim | January 4, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Oh, no, Frosti!

Have fun!!! I guess I should listen to the podcast of The Diane Rhem Show ASAP. The technology and misinformation related to HSR and MagLev make for interesting listening.

Posted by: russianthistle | January 4, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

frosti, here's the link:

I use a bit more spices than the recipe calls for, but I like my cookies with bite.

Posted by: MsJS | January 4, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Oh, frosti, my sense is that Diane is pretty knowledgeable -- her job is not to know the subject inside and out but to ask questions of the people that *do* know the subject inside and out, for the benefit of the people who know nothing, which is most of the public. The difficulty of serving in this role is indicated by the kinds of call-in questions that nevertheless make it through screening.

Diane Rehm won my undying loyalty, long before she went national, during a piece on gun control. She actually managed to get an NRA guy to show up at the same time as a gun-control advocate (my impression is that the NRA usually shies away from being trapped into a debate based on facts and logic, in which they can't do any rabble-rousing). The NRA guy started to get very excited and started interrupting Diane. Man, she shut him down quick! and gave him a brief yet unmistakable lecture on manners.

Posted by: ScienceTim | January 4, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me started on Ms. Rehm... *SIGH*

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 4, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

As a recently develop religious belief the Rapture beats the Magic Longjohns handsdown. I mean, the Immaculate Conception might have been believable during the late Roman Empire but piecing together enough biblical snippets to come up with a firm date for the Rapture in this century is something else.

I got one outside Christmas tree down, it will go to recycling with the indoor tree tomorrow. The other outdoor C-tree will come down next week to go with the second tree recyling pick-up. I was a little shy about putting 3 trees for recycling in the same week...

I got my Christmas Bird Count, Birdfeeder editio, filed with the Canadian Birdfeeder Bird Count project yesterday. Not as impressive as last year's but it was a solid day. The starlings stayed away, they know it's bad for them to show up in numbers in a place they have no business to be.
9 goldfinches
8 dark-eyed juncos
7 red cardinals
7 pigeons
6 chickadees
2 hairy woodpeckers
2 downy woodpeckers
1 white-breasted nuthatch (I suspect it's a pair though)
1 red-breasted nuthatch (ditto)

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 4, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Good Afternoon everyone
I guess this means that the Redskins will be drafting a quarterback in April.It is a shame,I really liked McNabb,but I guess he should have seen the writing on the wall.

Here in Baltimore we have Joe Flacco.This is his 3rd year as our quarterback and he had his best year so far 25 td's and 10 interceptions.He also has taken us to the playoffs every year since he has been our QB.He took every snap this year and that is amazing considering we play in the tough AFC North.But if you listen to the local talk shows,you would think he is a bum.He may not be the flashiest or fiery QB ever,but all he does is win.I am quite happy with him and hopes he has a long prosperous carreer here in Bawmer.Plus his name is Joe(Joe Cool) and you can never go wrong with that name.

As for the Reps,I have no idea who their front-runner will be.Mitt,Newt,Sarah or maybe someone new.Of all the canidates that ran in 2008.I thought the only one I could tolerate would have been Mike Huckabee.I don't know what his status is for 2012.

This is the week the new congress starts,and from what a friend told me.No matter what they promised in being elected,most of that changes once they get inside the beltway.It will interesting to see.

Have a Great day everyone!!!

Posted by: greenwithenvy | January 4, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

FYI, they found another old guy (besides me. I'm probably not related to this one.) (Although ya never know...)

The old man of the mountain returns

More evidence for a previously unknown species of human

Dec 23rd 2010, 20:55 by G.C.

SVANTE PAABO, the inspiration for “Jurassic Park”, and his international team of DNA palaeontologists have produced a nice Christmas present for students of human evolution. They have confirmed, using the creature’s whole genome, that a fossil finger bone found in a cave in the Altai mountains of Siberia comes from a previously unknown human species. That was all but certain from their previous study of the creature’s mitochondrial DNA, which was published in March. The latest analysis, in the current edition of Nature, removes all doubt—and adds a tooth to the meagre stock of physical evidence from the new species that modern science is able to examine.

This discovery is extraordinary on many levels. Perhaps the most important is that one small group of modern humans who live far away from Siberia—the Melanesian islanders of the Pacific Ocean—have somehow picked up a block of genes from Dr Paabo’s species on their (or, rather, their ancestors’) travels. Genetic evidence of the Melanesians’ own journey from the African cradle of Homo sapiens, which started (like that of all non-African people) about 60,000 years ago when a band of adventurers crossed the straits of Bab el Mandeb, from modern Djibouti to modern Yemen, suggests they then continued along the south coast of Asia, never going much inland. For the necessary interbreeding with Dr Paabo’s species to have happened, that species would thus have to have been spread over a vast area of Asia. Yet it has left no previously identified traces.

To be fair, Asia has not, so far, been a rich source of ancient human fossils. Unlike Europe, where many sites have yielded up Neanderthals, good Asian fossils come only from China (Peking Man, a type of Homo erectus) and Indonesia (Java Man, another erectus, and Homo floresiensis, the much-maligned hobbit of the island of Flores). Stone tools abound, but ancient-human bones from other Asian sites are almost as rare as hens’ teeth.

This discovery ought to provide the impetus to start looking much harder. The new species, which has yet to be named, clearly lived all over the place. If, despite that, it remained hidden until now, who knows what other species of human might also be out there?


On second thought, I probably am related after all. Only one of the Curmudgeon clan would give paleontologists the finger.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

*faxing shriek a partridge in a pear tree*

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Here is the first round draft order-

1. Carolina Panthers
2. Denver Broncos
3. Buffalo Bills
4. Cincinnati Bengals.
5. Arizona Cardinals
6. Cleveland Browns
7. San Francisco 49ers
8. Tennessee Titans
9. Dallas Cowboys
10. Washington Redskins

Dallas and Cincinnati will not be looking for a QB, but the rest of those teams will. Once you get past Luck and Locker, the draft field thins out a bit. Maybe the guy at Arkansas and Ponder from FSU. The Danster will have to trade up to get one of the top two, and we all know how well that's worked in the past!

Posted by: kguy1 | January 4, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, keep going... you are making me feel young.

Posted by: russianthistle | January 4, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Interesting comments from Mr. Fish:

I'm glad the Boodle stands as a counterpoint to the "dark side."

Yep, we Boodlers are all Jedi. :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 4, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I value my anonymity so highly that I attach my business card when I leave nasty notes for people who have stolen my parking spot in the aftermath of snow storms. Interestingly, nobody ever calls me back.

Posted by: bobsewell | January 4, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Dark Side counterpoint, surrounded and alone, are we. Hard are the clouds.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

SCC: Hard the clouds are.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

A mere drive-by to sprout peacock feathers (yeah, I know, only the males look goooooood) because Gene Robinson *finally* took one of my comments. Dang, he's a tough guy to crack, yanno!

There was an article in the Detroit Free Press this morning that intimated that the Lions are all set to crack the playoff threshold next season. The fact that they won the last four games in a row indicates to me that they can do it. The Redskins, however, unless there's an owner transplant, among other things, ain't goin' nowhere, no how!

I hope McNabb can go somewhere where he's appreciated and supported and treated professionally (and that means "well" -- it can be an ambiguous term, depending on the context).

Posted by: ftb3 | January 4, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

To contiune this it sounds like Michael Steele is the McNabb of the Republican party. They brought him in to lead the party forward but instead he made a lot of mistakes and didn't really fit in well. John Boehner is the Grossman.. a guy who knows the system and can manage it.. but will never be a star. The Redskins need to draft a franchise QB and so do the Republicans.. A leader who can get the Republicans like the Redskins to the top again. Right now neither team has one... we will have to see who steps forward in the future...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 4, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, ftb, I gotta say you're a true fan. Some folks might think that a 6-10 season was reason for gloom. The Lions have not won a championship since 1957 (no Super Bowl appearances ever), have lost 9 of their 10 playoff games since, and have not sniffed the postseason since 1999. They are 18-62 over the last five seasons, but wait 'til next year!

Posted by: kguy1 | January 4, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Uh, no. That analogy fails all over the place.

McNabb: highly skilled veteran. Steele: token black, not highly skilled. not very experienced.

McNabb: always been a classy guy. Steele: probably classier than most of his cohorts.

McNabb: natural leader. Steele: natural follower.

McNabb: not given enough time, constantly dissed by management. Okay, I'kk give ya that one.

McNabb: fit in well with team, but not management. That's management's fault, not McNabb's. Steele: fit in well with lesbian strip club fundraising committee.

McNabb: poor front line. Steele: poor front line. Okay, that's two.

McNabb: brought in to lead the team. Steele: brought in to herd cats, smile, shake hands, not make waves. Made waves anyway.

McNabb: needs new/better owner. Steele: needs new/better Limbaugh.

McNabb: has cool mom who feeds team soup. Steele: spills soup all over dress shirt.

McNabb: Gave Philly many good years. Steele: Gave Maryland, GOP virtually nothing.

McNabb: near-Hall-of-Famer. Steele: Shoo-in, Hall of Mirrors.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

'Zackly, kguy! Ya gotta remain optimistic! And now that football season is effectively over (for my teams, that is), I can concentrate on hockey, where the Red Wings are in a 3-way tie for the top teams. Gotta love that sport, eh Yoki???? That the Pistons are in the basement (mostly) is not surprising, but there's only one way to go, now (um, *up*, for those otherwise challenged). And in about 4 months, baseball season starts.

*getting all giddy*

Posted by: ftb3 | January 4, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

In duct tape news, wonder what Red Green thinks of this

Posted by: dmd3 | January 4, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse


Pitchers and catchers report in about six weeks and the season starts in about 12. It'll be here sooner than you think!

Posted by: -pj- | January 4, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Redskins starting quarterbacks, 1990-2010 (Q: What’s wrong with this list?)

1990: Mark Rypien, Mark Humphries, Jeff Rutledge
1991-2: Mark Rypien
1993: Mark Rypien, Rich Gannon, Gary Conklin
1994: Heath Schuler, John Friesz, Gus Ferrotte
1995: Gus Ferrotte, Heath Schuler
1996: Gus Ferrotte
1997: Gus Ferrotte, Jeff Hostetler
1998: Trent Green, Gus Ferrotte
1999: Brad Johnson
2000: Brad Johnson, Jeff George
2001: Tony Banks, Jeff George
2002: Shane Mathews, Patrick Ramsey, Danny Wuerfel
2003: Patrick Ramsey, Tim Hasselbeck
2004: Patrick Ramsey, Mark Brunell
2005: Mark Brunell, Patrick Ramsey
2006: Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell
2007: Jason Campbell, Todd Collins
2008-9: Jason Campbell
2010: Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman

The guy who got benched in favor of Grossman:
• Most consecutive pass completions, 24; vs New York Giants, Nov. 28, 2004; vs Green Bay Packers, Dec. 5, 2004
• Least-intercepted quarterback per pass attempt of all time, (4,588 attempts-96 interceptions, 2.09%)
• Second-best touchdown-to-interception ratio of all time, (209-96, 2.18) behind Tom Brady (217-92, 2.36)
• First NFL Quarterback ever to throw for more than 30 touchdowns and fewer than 10 interceptions (2004)
• One of six quarterbacks of all time to have over 25,000 passing yards and 3,000 rushing yards (alongside Randall Cunningham, Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, Steve McNair, and John Elway)
• Currently the third-highest winning percentage among active quarterbacks (83-45-1, .647) behind Peyton Manning (119-59-0, .669) and Tom Brady (88-25-0, .779)
• 20th most passing attempts by a quarterback of all time

Compare to Grossman, Rex; Steele, Michael

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Linking to an article with the phrases "eight girls", "Catholic High School", "duct tape tops" and "not dressed appropriately" without an accompanying photograph is just cruel.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 4, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Yoki | January 4, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Mark Humphries? I thought his name was Stan. The interesting thing about that list is how many of those guys were successful elsewhere- Humphries, Gannon, Green, Johnson, Brunell, Campbell(?), and McNabb.

To be fair about McNabb you have to admit that he throws an unusual number of gopher balls, those short and medium passes into the dirt that nobody can catch.

Posted by: kguy1 | January 4, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Which leads to the Boodle Quarterback SAT question?


A. Palin
B. Romney
C. Boehner
D. Write-in

'Nobody' is not a valid answer.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 4, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: kguy1 | January 4, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Football: grass and ball.
So...why tear your shirts and whine?
Throw it, I'll get it.


Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | January 4, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Yello, that is a softball.


Posted by: baldinho | January 4, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I think that Mike Huckabee would make an excellent neighbor, unlike his colleagues as "front-runners" for the GOP 2012 ticket. In keeping with the Peter Principle, however, he should not seek promotion beyond that level.

Posted by: ScienceTim | January 4, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Dang! I was just up there and somehow I missed this-

Posted by: kguy1 | January 4, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Dem Canuckis be smurter den us, kguy.

Yes, it is Stan Humphries. My fangers, yanno.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The Skins need to get behind Rex Grossman. He did a fantastic job at Florida. He just just needs some decent coaching.

The problem for Republicans is that there are no really legitmate/competetent leaders to speak for all the old guard and the Tea Party libertarians. The old guard better learn to adapt quick.

Posted by: alance | January 4, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Quantitative/probabilistic answers to Joel's questions, according to the traders at the predictions/futures market

Michael Steele has a roughly 5.1% chance of being re-elected as RNC chairman. There are at least five other likely contenders.

The "quarterback" of the GOP, at least in terms of who the likely 2012 nominee is, is Mitt Romney (19.1% chance), followed by Half-baked Alaska (16.8%), Sen. John Thune (11.9%), Mike Huckabee (8.7%), Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels (8.1%), Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (6.1%), Newt Gingrich (5.4%) and an unholy host of others in the 1-5% range.

Posted by: B2O2 | January 4, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

1992: Jim Harbaugh, Peter Tom Willis, Will Furrer
1993: Harbaugh, Willis
1994: Eric Kramer, Steve Walsh
1995: Kramer
1996: Kramer, Dave Kreig
1997: Kramer, Rick Mirer
1998: Kramer, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno
1999: Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim Miller
2000: McNown, Matthews, Miller
2001: Miller, Matthews
2002: Miller, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris
2003: Kordell Stewart, Chandler, Rex Grossman
2004: Grossman, Jonathan Quinn, Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson
2005: Kyle Orton, Grossman
2006: Grossman
2007: Grossman, Brian Griese, Orton

This embarrassing list is all the starting Chicago Bears quarterbacks during the time Brett Favre started for the Green Bay Packers.

Some teams get lucky. Some don't.

Posted by: MsJS | January 4, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Grossman:Steele::McNabb:Haley Barbour

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | January 4, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

MsJS - it ain't always luck. IMNSHO, Washington's biggest problem is Snyder, Daniel M. Similarly, Dallas's is Jones, Jerral W.

By comparison, Baltimore's been in the playoffs a lot due to the professional organization built by Modell, Arthur; and continued by Bisciotti, Steven. Steve just funds the team and lets Ozzie Newsome, et alia, run the place.

Yes, sometimes you discover that you have to make a choice between Phillip Rivers and Drew Brees; and sometimes Tom Brady gets hurt and you discover you have Matt Cassel sitting on your bench; but mostly you just have to know the difference between a good player and a bum.

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | January 4, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

yellojkt - this season at least, there was an existence proof that at least six quarterback were capable of leading a team to a Super Bowl victory, having done so (Brady, Manning, Manning, Brees, Roethlisberg and Favre). Also, Dan Marino DID play in a Super Bowl; he lost badly to the Joe Montana-led 49ers. He never won one.

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | January 4, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

SCC: Roethlisberg -> Roethlisberger and quarterback -> quarterbacks. When will dinner finish cooking? :-)

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | January 4, 2011 6:24 PM | Report abuse

ArmyBrat, the Halas family has long been considered the biggest barrier to Da Bears' success. Bears fans understand the damage owners can do.

As for bums, a number on that list could arguably be classified as such.

alance, you must be a Cowboys, Giants or Eagles fan to suggest the Redskins get behind Rex Grossman. He's never come close to repeating his collegiate performance as a pro, and he's now 30. As much as I wish for his second youth to emerge, I don't see it happening in this life.

Posted by: MsJS | January 4, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Ivansdad's cake is baked and frosted - the chocolate cake and Perfect Chocolate Frosting recipe from the Hershey's Cocoa box. Always simple, always tasty. I have two observations: (1) When the frosting recipe calls for vanilla, do NOT forget it. This cake's frosting is much better than the last cake, where I forgot that final step. (2) That Pillsbury spray-on oil and flour stuff is wonderful. It may be coating my tasty baked goods with insidious noxious chemicals, but life is full of trade-offs.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled Boodling.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 4, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Ivansdad's cake is baked and frosted - the chocolate cake and Perfect Chocolate Frosting recipe from the Hershey's Cocoa box. Always simple, always tasty. I have two observations: (1) When the frosting recipe calls for vanilla, do NOT forget it. This cake's frosting is much better than the last cake, where I forgot that final step. (2) That Pillsbury spray-on oil and flour stuff is wonderful. It may be coating my tasty baked goods with insidious noxious chemicals, but life is full of trade-offs.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled Boodling.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 4, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

R.I.P. Gerry Rafferty, he of "Baker Street," "Right Down the Line" and "Stuck in the Middle With You" (w/Steelers Wheel).


Posted by: Scottynuke | January 4, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

yello, can't believe I am posting this but here you go, I would have suspended them for the spandex not the Duct tape!

Posted by: dmd3 | January 4, 2011 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Windy, I just don't see Tebow being a successful NFL QB. He doesn't have the arm strength or accuracy, and running the ball too much will get his career cut short. Defenses love to tee off on quarterbacks; most will happily give up one touchdown for a chance to knock the other team's QB out of the game, for that way lies victory. Even Michael Vick has only played all 16 games in a season once his entire career.

Tebow's not a bad QB; he's an amazingly gifted athlete and one of the hardest workers in the game. But he was surrounded by an amazing group of athletes for most of his career at Florida - there were 8 other players taken in the NFL draft last year, two of them before Tebow in the first round. The only year they didn't have a fantastic defense, they lost four games.

Most teams thought he was at best a third or fourth round draft choice; McDaniels chose to trade three picks to the Ravens for the opportunity to take him in the first round. McDaniels' other trades were so good that he got fired before the season was over.

Tebow seems like a decent enough person, but I don't see him working out.

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | January 4, 2011 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I'd have to say that Grossman:Steele as McNabb:Bob Dole

Posted by: baldinho | January 4, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Cool Intrade stats.

What football position metaphor applied to Rove?

Posted by: Jumper1 | January 4, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for indulging me, dmd. I'll return the favor someday.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 4, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Loudmouth water boy?

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | January 4, 2011 9:41 PM | Report abuse

This video has been making the rounds but it has to be seen to be believed. Tucker Carlson is leading a roundtable debate/interview of RNC chair candidates (so this is all on-topic) and he asks them what their favorite book is. The resulting answers are beyond depressing.

In particular pay attention to Michael Steele's answer and what he starts quoting.

***head on desk*** (repeatedly)

Posted by: yellojkt | January 4, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Er, no captioning on that. Post the quick n dirty details on your blog?

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | January 4, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I think they really should have pursued the favorite bar question instead. As Carlson said it would have been "deeply revealing." I also wish, in situations like this, the moderators would actually press for an answer to their questions (and this goes for many, many political debates I have watched). When whatishername flippantly brings up President Bush's latest book as a nice safe answer it pisses me off. A serious question deserves a serious answer (or for God's sake at least the appearance of a serious answer) even if it's a question as innocuous as "what's you're favorite book?"

I'll give Steele credit for 1.)at least naming a piece of literature and 2.) quoting from another and 3.)appearing to give the question at least a little thought. Given the other panelists responses . . .

Posted by: cowhand214 | January 4, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

SCC: you're -> your

Posted by: cowhand214 | January 4, 2011 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Dnaa Milbank's take:

And my new girlfriend Jennifer Rubin's:

Posted by: yellojkt | January 4, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I finally checked out "The End of Days in May" story and the website it refers to. It seems the Great Tribulation began on May 21, 1988, at which time God abandoned all the churches. On May 21 this year, some 200 million people will be raptured, sent to heaven. I guess everyone else goes to the celestial trash bin.

Most of the end-of-the-world types seem to have decided that the Great Tribulation comes after the rapture. That's why they're called Post-Tribs. So I think conservative evangelicals will expect to go to church on Sunday the 22nd.

The Smithsonian Museum of American Art has a better vision, hand-made in Washington: The Throne of the Third Heaven of the Nations' Millennium General Assembly

A much nastier vision's in a recent history of the lands caught between Hitler and Stalin:

Compared to that period, how could the period from 1988 onward be viewed as a Tribulation? The hellish Iran-Iraq war finally ended in 1988. Could the Internet be a phenomenon of the Tribulation?

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | January 4, 2011 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I took Steele's answer to be dismissively flippant. The one serious answer was "The Law" which I just downloaded to my Kindle for $0.99 just in case I have time in the airport tomorrow.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 4, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Good evening, all.

Not sure about comparisons between Mike Steele and Sexy Rexy. They seem to have very different personalities, demeanors, etc., though their commonalities seem to be in the streaky on/off natures of their effectiveness...

Rove as - Bill Bellechick?

I, too think that Tebow's not likely to be a top notich NFL QB. The guy's big and strong though I think Tb's throwing mechanics are the problem with his passing more than a percieved lack of arm-strength. The guy's big and strong, and I've seen him muscle some balls out there; someone just needs to show him how to throw using his hips (I'd add here that Atlanta's Matt Ryan has one of the nicest throwing motions I can ever recall seeing).

I think Tebow can be an effective QB if someone can work with him, as say, Andy Reid worked with Donovan McNabb when he came out of Syracuse and as he's working with Vick now.

Having said that, I don't know that Grossman's the answer for Washington. And the way McNabb's been treated by the Washington team management - particularly by the coaching staff - has been just this side of disgraceful.

Maybe McNabb's not the final answer here either, but he's been a real professional about things and a good team leader, even if the Shanahans like it or not.


Posted by: -bc- | January 4, 2011 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove:Albert Haynesworth

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 4, 2011 10:37 PM | Report abuse

yellow, could be you're right. I request permission to revise and extend my remarks.

Just looking at The Law now myself. Heck of an airport book!

Posted by: cowhand214 | January 4, 2011 10:51 PM | Report abuse

SCC: yello


Posted by: cowhand214 | January 4, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Book? I'm getting into Aron Ralston's "Between a Rock and a Hard Place". He's articulate, must have picked up some English as a Carnegie-Melon student. I have a hunch that the book Ralston may be more interesting than the Danny Boyle-James Franco version. Of course real people always differ from their movie counterparts. I don't think business school students should expect to learn much about Facebook from "The Social Network".

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | January 5, 2011 12:35 AM | Report abuse

RIP, Gerry Rafferty:

Posted by: seasea1 | January 5, 2011 1:53 AM | Report abuse

The good thing about waking up six hours ahead is that I've got crepe batter whipped up, the griddle fired up, and jars of nutella, and apricot, strawberry, raspberry jams, pots of butter and sugar, plus a bunch of bananas on standby.

I'm ready for your orders--crepes with whatever you want "stuck in the middle" for you.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | January 5, 2011 5:06 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Good morning, friends. DNA Girl, it all sounds just wonderful, all I need is the coffee!

Just wanted to drop by and say howdy. I have an early doctor's appointment, not here, but a few miles up the road.

Slyness, that weather person is talking about the white stuff again! I hope his charts are so wrong.

Have a fabulous day, folks, and love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | January 5, 2011 5:44 AM | Report abuse

Crepes? Did someone say crepes? Mmmmmmmmmmmm. Can I have mine with the apricot and powdered sugar, DNA_Girl?

'Morning, Boodle.

*running off to throw a K-cup in my Keurig while I wait for my fax machine to warm up*

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 5, 2011 6:25 AM | Report abuse

I'll take anything with some fresh cream. I love crepes. There is a great very small creperie in Baltimore right next to the Charles Theater. I hope they are still in business.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 5, 2011 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Done and done.

With a special garnish only for yello :-)

Posted by: DNA_Girl | January 5, 2011 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Between Sinfest and Catholic school girls in duct-tape tops, I'm afraid I might be getting a bit of a reputation as a lech. Not an undeserved reputation, mind you. But a rep nonetheless.

I'm amused by the dozens of people who find my [wholesome, tasteful] photos of cheerleaders on Flickr and then add me as a 'contact'. They must be very disappointed when the next batch of pictures is an interstate rest area or a bunch of Lego buildings.

And speaking of inexplicably popular photos, here is today's:

And really, truly inexplicable. Theories on how people landed on that one?

Posted by: yellojkt | January 5, 2011 7:16 AM | Report abuse

They were interested in the f-stop and exposure, yello?


*a-much-better-than-usual-Hump-Day Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 5, 2011 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Would someone please make me a hearty breakfast?

Posted by: russianthistle | January 5, 2011 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Two savory crepes coming up for weed stuffed with mushroom, tomatoes, cheese and bacon, followed by one with strawberry jam and sugar. Hot!

Posted by: DNA_Girl | January 5, 2011 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, you all.

The Days of Elijah - Paul Wilbur

One of my favorite hymns, and my right start for the day.

Skip over it if you please. It is not posted to offend....

Posted by: VintageLady | January 5, 2011 8:13 AM | Report abuse

G'morning, all. DNA_Girl, may I have a repeat of your order to weed? Thanks so much, I won't have to eat for the rest of the day! And yuummm...

Hi Cassandra, I'm not believing we'll have snow. There's only a 30 percent chance of precipation anyway. Hope your doctor's appointment goes well!

So the Repubs are going to try to undo all the achievements of the last Congress. I hope they have fun with the attempt.

I'm so glad to be back to my normal life. Bible study this morning. I better review.

Later, folks!

Posted by: slyness | January 5, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Good morning all. In the better late than never catagory, happy birthday RD, Boss, and anyone else I missed (ftb was it you? So sorry to whoever it is I'm forgetting, but the mind, you know, as I age, um, where was I going with that?). I also wanted to say that at the BPH SoG looked happy, S'Tim looked healthy, and CqP had some inner peace thing going on.

Same category, congrats gwe on the weekly tiara and bc on the regular season tiara (I think I might have hit a record for most weekly wins while remaining far, far removed from the top spot.)

And in the really irrelevant category, yeah, I got me some shoes, but they're not *all* tall. I wore some Hoy Voy flat boots to the BPH (shaky weather forecast) and I've gotten a nice new pair of purple chucks that I really like.

And last but not least, there are some serious feasts for breakfast here. What's a normal afternoon snack? High tea?

Have a very happy day all.

Posted by: LostInThought | January 5, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I have to admit, I almost lost my spleen last night laughing at the "Daily Show" replay. To wit, the point at which the "Star Wars/Obama" mashup portrays a certain ex-Alaska governor as the ice creature on Hoth that almost ate Luke. :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 5, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the great breakfast, DNAGirl! There is a pound of coffee in your email.

Posted by: russianthistle | January 5, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Yes, thanks for the breakfast, DNA. There is a pound of assorted punctuation for you in the e-mail; I especially recommend the butterscotch exclamation points. Also faxing a single hyphen to weed for his e-mail.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 5, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Howdy y'all. Thanks for breakfast, DNA Girl. I'll take what they're having.

Ivansdad and I always figured that the Rapture would take all the righteous and leave everyone else here. For years we've been waiting for the Rapture, so we could go about our business in peace. [And as an aside, there was a great movie "Rapture" with David Duchovny awhile back.]

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 5, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

mudge, you are lucky that I don't type in text.

AND, good morning to you!!!!!

See you guys later.

Posted by: russianthistle | January 5, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Scotty, did you catch Colbert's piece on "the Caboodle"? Yes, I had a momentary shiver of fear when I first saw it.

Here it is:

I just love Dion Wasseter; he makes the piece for me.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 5, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, y'all.

What a feast, DNA_Girl. Many thanks! May I please have a fruit crepe? Going light on food this morning as the Bake-a-thon starts around 11:30 central time (or whenever Niece#3 rolls outta bed and gets over here).

yello, I thought you gave up on Ms. Rubin. She has become rather predictable, and so quickly too.

The buzz here is that TWC will trade Bill Daley (Mayor Richard Daley's brother) to be Obama's new CoS in exchange for Rahm becoming the new mayor (assuming that pesky residency challenge is dealt with and the voters can be bought, er, persuaded to vote for him).

Posted by: MsJS | January 5, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I'll have to check that Colbert piece @ home 'Mudge, thanks. :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 5, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Ivansmom, back in 1965, when there were only two kinds of movies (American, and them artsy foreign ones), there was a movie called "Rapture" starring Melvyn Douglas and Dean Stockwell, plus a teenager who stole the movie, named Patricia Gozzi, a phenom who got married young and simply quit the business (she starred in "Sundays and Cybele," another French classic, if that rings anyone's bells; it's about post-Vietnam PTSD before anyone knew that term). Despite Douglas and Stockwell being in it, it was a "foreign" film directed by an Englishman but made and shot in France. It mainly ran in art houses, and had a small but very loyal and intense following. (It has nothing whatsoever to do with the biblical rapture.) One of my best friends had a major crush on Gozzi, while I still have a major crush on the other actress in it, the fantastic Swedish dish Gunnell Lindblom, she of the Bergman films (and also of Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, see

My point being that there are those of us for whom the term -- and movie title --"Rapture" have far different -- and ancient -- memories and connotations.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 5, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The Dee-troit News sez it's official: Rich Rod has been fired.

Not to put it too bluntly, but any of us on the boodle could've gone 0-3 to both Michigan State and Ohio State AND led the Wolverines to their worst bowl loss in history. So why does he get a $2.5 mil contract buyout and not us?

Don King was right. In life you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate.

Posted by: MsJS | January 5, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

So, um, Scalia says that the Constitution doesn't protect women against gender discrimination. I wonder if he conferred with fellow "justice" Thomas on that, as Thomas shined his shoes. . . .

Ivansmom? Got anything to say on this?

*simply speechless* (yet, not for long, and not quietly)

Posted by: ftb3 | January 5, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Good riddance. Wolverine losses have still felt sweet but not much fun over the past couple of years.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | January 5, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Ooooohhhhh, and I really "liked" you, DNA_Girl ... Wolverine losses don't feel sweet to me....

*sigh* *It's entirely too tuff to be from Michigan* *don't get no love, nohow*

That said, Rodriguez was decidedly the wrong guy from the start, and I'm definitely glad to see him go. And, no, he shouldn't have been worth a contract buyout. But that's the way these contracts are negotiated -- it's sort of a corporate model. You can screw up as much as you like, but the golden parachute still protects you.

Posted by: ftb3 | January 5, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Ooooohhhhh, and I really "liked" you, DNA_Girl ... Wolverine losses don't feel sweet to me....

*sigh* *It's entirely too tuff to be from Michigan* *don't get no love, nohow*

That said, Rodriguez was decidedly the wrong guy from the start, and I'm definitely glad to see him go. And, no, he shouldn't have been worth a contract buyout. But that's the way these contracts are negotiated -- it's sort of a corporate model. You can screw up as much as you like, but the golden parachute still protects you.

Posted by: ftb3 | January 5, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Dang movable type ...

Posted by: ftb3 | January 5, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Well, for what it's worth, after all the dismal big (t)eleven bowls I did have a jar of crow crepe filling on hand, but the buckeyes came through, hooray!

Posted by: DNA_Girl | January 5, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

You're a Buckeye? Were you at that game at Michigan Stadium about 35 years ago, when all the OSU fans came to the stadium wearing red t-shirts with "MUCK FISHIGAN" on them? It cracked me up. I actually tried to do it back to them, but there are too many vowels in "Ohio" (but doing some arranging in "Buckeye" might work, dontcha think?).

Posted by: ftb3 | January 5, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Iowa and Illinois both won along with OSU. NU, Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan and Michigan State lost.

My takeaway is that having a school name beginning with a vowel helps.

Posted by: MsJS | January 5, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

ftb, I was 7 and in India at the time (though according to mum I bled scarlet and grey already). But Muck Fichigan lives on in many tchotchkes and I take pleasure in singing Hail! Hail Michigan, the cesspool of the world!

Posted by: DNA_Girl | January 5, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Hello boodle! Glad I slept through DNA girl's delightful crepe fest. Have some leftover lemon Jello to share if anyone's interested. Keeping the beef broth lunch to myself though, lest I need a snack overnight.

Inexplicably irritated with the administration that suspended the duct tape wearers. Would an immodest costume of Christmas tree garland have been allowed since it was not explicitly prohibited? I have kept the maroon wool cardigan that was standard issue with one of my many uniforms. Not that I would do it, but I've seen the same one worn in many more provocative ways than this year's duct tape offering. Hmmmmph.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | January 5, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

i'm not surprised by Scalia's remarks. He tends to originalist interpretation of the Constitution, meaning it can't contain, protect or apply to anything that wasn't around when the Framers wrote it. Originalists grudgingly admit the 13th amendment ended slavery and the 14th granted citizenship privileges, along with due process and equal protection of the laws, to everyone - but they interpret that as narrowly as possible. Women's rights, gay rights, civil rights are all suspect (hence that guy who thinks it is okay to refuse restaurant service to black people). Remember, there's no right to privacy in the Constitution either - it's in the "penumbra" - so reproductive rights, etc., aren't protected. [Before Roe v. Wade there were the cases on birth control.] Originalists also tend to be states' righters too.

I would be more impressed if Scalia were actually consistent in his constitutional interpretations. He has been known to overlook the originalist viewpoint when it furthers other interests. Also, he tends to enjoy espousing extreme views. I was worried when he was first appointed, because he's extremely smart and I thought he might significantly change the law in a lot of ways. However, he marginalized himself.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 5, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I'm bored and it'll be fun to play devil's advocate.

If the 14th Amendment already prohibits discrimination based on gender, why was an "Equal Rights Amendment" proposed and believed to be needed? Redundancy?

“Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."


Section 3. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification.

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | January 5, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

If you took the Constitution as written, I do not see where the 14th amendment specifies that "sex" refers to gender, could an argument not be made that it could apply to sexual orientation. I am as bored as ArmyBrat :-).

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

dmd - what I posted was the text of the proposed (and defeated) ERA, not the 14th Amendment. The 14th contains no mention of "sex", 'gender", or any related word.

Here's the text of the 14th Amendment:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

It's that "equal protection of laws" bit in Section 1 that certain reviewers claim makes gender discrimination unconstitutional. Scalia apparently disagrees.

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | January 5, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't there have to be a definition of "person" to exclude people? I vaguely remember the ERA debate but didn't know too much about it - really was pretty tame wasn't it!

Something like this, did not create equality but certainly a big leap forward,

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I loved the Sinfest toon, DNA_Girl. I'll overlook your preferences, if only to take part in the foodiliciousness of your postings (and other ones, too). And may that be mutual.

You're absolutely right about Scalia, Ivansmom. He's very picky-and-choosy about the Constitution. As for his so-called brilliance, I work with a guy whose father was high up in the FCC (as an attorney, and he's been dead for quite some time) ages ago. When he was there, he worked with someone whom he thought was so completely stoopid and idiotic, that he refused to return that guy's telephone calls (this was pre-email by a long shot). That "guy" was Scalia. My colleague's father was tremendously disappointed when Scalia was elevated to the Supremes.

Of course, I am, too.

Posted by: ftb3 | January 5, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I may be bored, but I'm not THAT bored to get into that mug's game.

Meanwhile, 9.078 people played the "Hurley numbers" (from the TV show "Lost") in last night's MegaMillions -- and won $150 each. I played whatever the computer gave me ($5 worth), and lost astoundingly. Not only didn't I have ANY of the numbers, I wasn't even close. In fact, I may have had the anti-numbers, if there is such a thing.

Which is a shame, because I had big plans for that $355 million. I would have spent it SOOOOOOOOOOOO well. I would have taken THE ENTIRE BOODLE to Olive Garden. I would. For real. Joel, too. And his family.

Okay, not the Lone Mule.

While I'm at it, Boodle, I have not been very happy with the discussion of the duct taped cheerleaders. How can I render an informed, wise, perspicacious opinion on that vital subject until I have heard out CqP's judgments on the aestetics of that attire? Where is the commentary? The technical details of how the tape was applied and layered? Where is bc's analysis (he being our resident duct tape expert)? Are there rules for dressing one's svelte, perky, cheerleader torso in duct tape, and if so, did these girls follow the rules? How come there's never a good fashionista around when you need one? Robin Ghiven quits the Post and look what happens: a major fashion crisis -- and no one to give guidance.

I wonder if Hurley played the Hurley numbers.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 5, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

The Supreme Court should be a conservative institution. Without it holding government to the intent of the framers, it makes little sense as an institution. Furthermore, without hewing to original intent as a touchstone for interpretation, using some unwritten code as a substitute, the Supreme Court merely becomes another legislative branch, little beholden to the will of the people.

Scalia's opinions merely empower those other legislative branches to protect whatever rights they feel need protected.

Posted by: edbyronadams | January 5, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Frosti, you're gonna need to be sitting down when you read this.

Someone get out the smelling salts.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 5, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I am so far behind that I'm putting off backboodling until next week and just decided to jump in where we are. Between the foster dog, sickness and needing to take 27 online tests to retain a certification, I was swamped. Callie is leaving on Saturday, we all need a rest.

Romney:Vick. At this point I think Michael deserves a dog more than mitt does.

Definitely a catered rapture. Especially, you know, since we'll be left in peace.

Posted by: -dbG- | January 5, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Say, edbyronadams, am I right in suspecting that you're neither a woman nor a minority in this country? "...merely empower those other [sic] legislative branches to protect whatever rights they feel need protected." ???

You might wish to discuss that with Justice Thomas while he shines your shoes.

I don't intend to go backwards as to my hard earned rights as a human being, not to mention as an American citizen.

BTW, where were you when GWB (a/k/a "little boy") was selected by your conservative Supreme Court? Was that kind of legislating from the bench fine with you?

Pick 'em and choose 'em.

Posted by: ftb3 | January 5, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The trouble, ed, is that you also think the Congress should be a conservative instution. The presidency. And the Chamber of Commerce. The Boy Scouts. The Assocaition of Sexy Librarians. The Food and Drug Administration. The ACLU. The Federal Reserve. The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society. The Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. You think the Amalgamated Association of Gay Anarchists should be a right wing outfit.

Anyway, "hewing to the intent of the framers" is nearly meaningless; it's as open to what that means as anything else. So is "will of the people." What was the will of the people when they voted in 2008, I wonder.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 5, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Mudge - I'm not bored enough to jump in that discussion.

I will note, however, that as something of a constitutional law expert, I may not have made it clear that there is no more authenticity, in terms of constitutional interpretation, in the 'originalist' viewpoint than in other interpretive methods. Don't be fooled. Assuming you believe the Constitution means what the Framers intended it to mean and no more, no current method of interpretation will get you there. The same dilemma holds true here as for any question of historical interpretation.

Posted by: Ivansmom | January 5, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

*attempting to bow down and otherwise curtsey, while holding onto my knees and my back to the intellectual provenance of Ivansmom and Mudge*

Besides, I had a lovely discussion with John Adams and Thomas Jefferson just this morning (while they were twirling in their respective graves, waiting for me to throw them some more Dramamine), and they think the lot of you so-called "originalists" are full of it.

Yes, I *thought* that might be ... original.

Posted by: ftb3 | January 5, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

The Constitution comes clothed in precedent. The framers, accustomed to English common law, would appreciate what's happened.

Sort of what happened to Scripture in the hands of the Talmudists, or the New Testament in the hands of Church Fathers. I think even super scripture-only conservatives have more of St. Augustine of Hippo in their religion than they realize. (He did a fine job with the Apocalypse, too).

A Post story covers a plan to issue an edition of "Huckleberry Finn" with several offensive words replaced. One of the replacement words is "slave", which itself has become offensive and might be on the route to unspeakability. "Enslaved persons" and "captives" seem to be acceptable substitutes.

I suppose Twain could be issued in an edition that retains the nasty words but has appropriate substitutes in the margin. Or vice versa. Present-day Bible translations do that sort of thing, cautiously.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | January 5, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Dave I almost linked to the Huck Finn story earlier, it bothers me. How can students be taught from the mistakes of history if they cannot fully comprehend them! I mentioned before Christmas that my daughter went into rant mode to answer a history test question - asking them to show examples of Hilter's racist beliefs still in existance today, many student had no clue what to write, my daughter received full marks for that section of the test. The past is not pretty but forgetting it can be dangerous.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

FYI, please mark your calendars: on 11/11/11 the Corduroy Appreciation Club is hosting a gala mega-appreciation event it says will be its bestest of all time.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 5, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Tiny wale or Orca wale, Mudge?

Posted by: ftb3 | January 5, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

dmd, it was the philosopher George Santayana who wrote, "Those who cannot remember the past are pretty much just like Mudge, doomed to repeat it with some dubious side excursions or questionable utility and accuracy."

I made him change it a bit. I mean, c'mon, it was flattering but embarrassing.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 5, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 5, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Reading Twain, with all the offensive words intact, is the easiest way I know to teach kids that "that's so gay" is not a harmless thing that's "just slang." All protestations that "people don't mind," "they know I don't mean anything by it", etc. are blown out of the water when they see that despite all the ways Huck is good and just and worthy of admiration, he still throws the n word out as casually as if it means nothing.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | January 5, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute, tiny wales are in corduroy appreciation clubs? I seem to have missed a post or two here.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | January 5, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Re: Princess Sparkle Pony. The more time she spends testing the presidential waters the less time she has to muck about with legislation. I see that as a win for all of us. Just hope I'm not deluded in my faith in the Rep. party that she cannot win the nomination.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | January 5, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

D*mn you must have been a great teacher Frosti, I bow in awe.

Shriek, what the heck is going on in the other Capital?

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

It means something, frostbitten. There's a late scene where Huck makes up a story about a steamboat explosion and was asked if anybody was hurt, he said no, killed somebody and then the asker says oh, I'm so glad nobody was hurt.

While my paraphasing is loose, the original drives the point home about the non-personhood implied by that word, and will do so 200 years from now when that word no longer means anything in daily culture.

That's why they ban the book. Not for the language, but for what the language shows about the people who use it.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | January 5, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Wait, "slave" is offensive now? Or am I misunderstanding?

And the target audience for the new Huck Finn edition is who? Kids presumably because it's often required reading in schools. Is it nearly as educational with historical context removed?

Posted by: cowhand214 | January 5, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Precisely my point Wilbrod, it has a very strong meaning that casual use does not erase. That it has become such a reviled word is a good thing-there are others that need to meet the same fate, and Huckleberry Finn is a very good way to show that.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | January 5, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Or really what frostbitten, Wilbrod and others are saying with eloquence while I froth.

Posted by: cowhand214 | January 5, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I have no objection to Congress or any other institution reflecting the will of the voters, conservative, liberal or otherwise. Is it safe to note that the problems with the will of the voter from the 2008 came mostly from the Senate, which was deliberately designed to be insulated from transient majority rule, something that comes into play for Democrats after this past election.

I like representative government despite all its flaws and do not see the judiciary as very representative. For that reason, judges should show some humility when making broad rulings that change society.

Posted by: edbyronadams | January 5, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I am a little confused as I thought the US Judiciary was part of government (part of checks and balances) had time for a very quick check.

Of note in this link, look at the role of the judiciary in socialist society - interesting!

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

So, ed, I hope that means you are opposed to the Supreme's ruling that corporations have the same rights as people? Talk about an activist court...

And what's your feeling about the Supreme Court striking down segregated schools vs. having that work its way glacially through the legislature?

Posted by: Raysmom | January 5, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

And ed, I suggest you do a little reading on the process of creating the Constitution such as:

Then come back and talk to us about the original intent of the document.

Posted by: Raysmom | January 5, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"Slave" has become a word to use with great care. I caught a bit of it here:

What was once called the "New England triangular trade" in schoolbooks (sugar, rum, slaves) now is clearly labeled the "slave trade" to emphasize its horror--and of course most of the trade was to the Caribbean and Brazil. So "slave" and "slavery" are the only correct words for buying and selling people and holding them captive.

That atlas of the slave trade calls the people who were involuntarily shipped from Africa "captives", which might perhaps also be an appropriate term for the many British convicts and indentured servants who were shipped to America. Bernard Bailyn's "Voyagers to the West" presented an ugly picture of that trade. Perhaps the school textbooks should instead call people under indenture "people held in peonage" or something like that.

I think what we're seeing is an effort to drop terms that assign people to (permanently) to inferior, unfree categories, but that instead emphasize that such people are or were subjugated.

The old euphemism of "servant" is gone as applies to slaves. If I remember correctly, the first is used regularly in the King James Bible, the latter in translations like the New Revised Standard.

Anyhow, I'm just a dumb biologist. People in African American studies or historians (especially those doing historic interpretation work) will know exactly what's up.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | January 5, 2011 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"So, ed, I hope that means you are opposed to the Supreme's ruling that corporations have the same rights as people?"

That one is buried deep in the law. 1893. It is hard to get vexed over that. Roe still upsets me because I know that in my state abortion was undergoing a legislative evolution that was aborted by the decision and see presidential elections turning on a litmus test on how they view the subject as a serious distortion of normal politics. BTW, I support safe, legal abortions for the most part. I also don't like the ruling that gave federal law precedence over my own state's reclassification of marijuana since it is a product grown and consumed within my state.

I don't see the march toward a unitary state as an unalloyed good. We lose the diversity that 50 states as experiments in law can produce when the federal solution is the only solution to problems.

Posted by: edbyronadams | January 5, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand, it's very helpful for commerce to have unified money, for instance, Edbyron. That was an issue early in federation.

Likewise, other countries want to have consistent guarantee of quality of some sort when importing from us. That's why we have those huge departments of commerce, USDA, etc. which regulate stuff. It's not just about the local guy, it's about national reputation and commerce.

When we have companies that practice business in one state polluting another, federal law is necessary. Right now our federal courts are mainly confined to interstate issues, civil right issues (i.e. violations of the CONSTITUTIONAL bill of rights), interagency issues, and the federal government itself.

We are in no jeopardy of losing our local and state court systems. Our constitution specifically says that all powers not expressly taken by the federal government shall devolve to the states. That's why we have the joys of local, state, and federal taxation; zoning laws and outdated state laws that often make life more of a hassle than any federal law does.

For instance, it's illegal in my state to cuss in public or to sleep naked. Do you think that's a mainfestation of voter will or civil liberty? There are states where it's illegal to get goldfish drunk.

How about some local idiot trying to outlaw 4 of the most common big dog breeds and all their mixes-- and making it a crime to own one, based on no expertise whatsoever in dogs?

I love federal law protecting my civil rights, because I sure as deuced don't trust every local or state government I come across to do it.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | January 5, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Trains. Love them.

I'll be taking one to Cal-i-forn-i-A in the Spring ... because that's the only way to fly. I can leave the car, after a few days visiting my sister, in Ashland VA where the station is right on the main drag. Transfer at Union in DC and in TWC and ride the rails over the Rockies to SanFran. From there down to Santa Cruz only fifty miles from where sonchild live up in the redwoods. Return trip ... maybe a stopover in Grand Junction CO for a three-hour drive down to T-ride. Who knows?

I'll argue upside down and sideways that trains make a lot a sense for this country and it's high time we (collective we) embrace and fund that reality.

Posted by: talitha1 | January 5, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I like trains, too, talitha. They're really good for people who can't fly. More leg room, movement, and luggage, too.

Posted by: Wilbrod_Gnome | January 5, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

One hour to game time! Thanks just needed to get that out of my system, congrats to the US team for winning the bronze today - first medal for the US on home soil in this event.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

THe Other Capital is the seat of Government dmd, no shortage of nutcases, deranged individuels, "difficult" persons and staightforward psychiatric cases and other elected officials around here.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of which the Prime Minister is watching the game wearing a team jersey with his family/(hostages?)in attendance and some minions. The Control Freak in action.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Looked like quite the party didn't it Shriek!

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of goofy Canadian politicians,

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

If you watch the Canada/Russia game played in Buffalo don't be surpised if the crowd is a bit on the Canadian side. Canadians bought 63% of the ticket packages and most of the finals ticket. We are the only country that cares about the World Junior Hockey Tournament after all and Buffalo has been an honorary Haute New-York State city for a while.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 7:35 PM | Report abuse

"As Buffalo News columnist Bucky Gleason lamented the morning after: “They didn't simply take over HSBC Arena. They parked themselves on the sofa, threw their feet on the coffee table, grabbed the remote control and emptied the beer fridge.”

When the puck drops to start the championship game Wednesday night, the Russians will be fortunate if they have more than a couple of dozens fans in the seats."

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

That was a great sentence by the Buffalo columnist. Spoke to someone yesterday who told me the wait at the border on Sunday (all three bridges) was 4 hours, traffic backed up for a long way.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 7:40 PM | Report abuse

In fairness about 20% of Sabres season ticket holders are Canadians (at least) and when they play the Leafs probably half the arena is Leaf fans, think the ratios are similar for the Bills.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 7:42 PM | Report abuse

It's January Madness.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Take that you Russkies.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 7:47 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 7:59 PM | Report abuse

шум носа

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 5, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Yesssss! The heathen communists/authoritarian non-believers are down by 2.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 8:12 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 5, 2011 8:26 PM | Report abuse

We interrupt this hockeyfest to do a little bit (ok, a LOT) of *happy dancing* at the latest triumph of science over quackery:

You may now return to your puckishness. :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 5, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Can I add some outrage to your happy dancing Scotty, how many children where not vaccinated/protect because of that crap science.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Ohhh Baby, 3-0

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

3-Ѳ indeed

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Gulag for Golubev.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Canada does a Don Cherry, too many kids on the ice...

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Камрад Golubev был послан к дому остальных для re-education и собственн-коррекции

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 5, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

For those of you unable to view, note this is top of the front page of the "National Newspaper", yes this game is big here, approx 5 million Canadians watch the semi final.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Golubev ll learn from his mistakes by careful self critisizing. It worked quite well in China in the cultural revolution (Not!).

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

CPAP! (bis)

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse

SCC criticizing and will

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I have eeen this too many times, Russians playing possum until the 3rd period, Yike.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 9:28 PM | Report abuse

CPAP! (treble)

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 9:32 PM | Report abuse

We have a whole new game 3-3 with 12:31 in the 3rd.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Juniors have ways to make it interesting.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Currently trending on twitter in Toronto, can't figure out Queen Latifah or Adam Sandler, but most of the rest concerns the hockey game.


* Roberto Alomar
* Peoples Choice Awards
* Gold Medal Game
* Carter Ashton
* World Junior Hockey
* Adam Sandler
* Tyson Barrie
* Queen Latifah
* Brayden Schenn
* Ryan Ellis

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Kids--I don't know how the coaches manage it, I really don't. (As a Gary Williams fan, I've have had a lot of chances to reflect on this.)

Posted by: woofin | January 5, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Dave, good reading. I'll have to check it out a bit on the morrow.

My best to all of those who understand hockey or whatever it is that you're doing.

Posted by: cowhand214 | January 5, 2011 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Queen Latifah is hosting the Peoples Choice Awards. Adam Sandler won for best actor in a comedy. Then I turned off the TV since I can't get the game.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | January 5, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Russia scores again 4-3 Russians, insert a stream of words I cannot post.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Cpap! (quadruple) And 4 minutes or so to go.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I am going to say game over Russians score again 5-3, a minute or so to play. What a come back.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 9:51 PM | Report abuse

CPAP! (Quint) The Fat Lady is warming up.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 9:51 PM | Report abuse

That is some happy Russians and deservedly so, Congratulations to them.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

And there she goes...

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

You may now resume regular boodling.
Canada was supposed to lose to the US, that's the impact of this Russian win. The Russkies were seeded 3 or 4th, on general basis, they did very well.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse

On the bright side we get to hear the Russian anthem.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

shriek, dmd--so sorry the Canadian kids lost.

Posted by: Raysmom | January 5, 2011 10:07 PM | Report abuse

*What* a game! I'm loving the Russians.

Posted by: Yoki | January 5, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I fail the russkies on singing. They are bad, very bad.

Posted by: shrieking_denizen | January 5, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Get ready for next year Yoki when the tournament is in Calgary and Edmonton!

Posted by: dmd3 | January 5, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

They're no Welsh miners, are they? In the old days (c. 1967) they were much better.

Posted by: Yoki | January 5, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I have tickets already, with one of my pals who likes hockey.

Posted by: Yoki | January 5, 2011 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I hope I didn't give the impression that I don't love me some train travel. I do, I do! I have great memories of staying up all night in the club car on a trip from Savannah to Washington D.C., playing cards with (among other characters) a traveling salesman and a college professor. The porter gave us the keys to the bar and trusted us to keep track of what we drank. We were faithfully scrupulous, and tipped him well.

The falsity of the vaccine-autism link has been known for years. For whatever reason, many people just don't care. Life is scary and it's nice to be able to point fingers at any randomly-chosen bad guy, I guess. I myself have always thought that Iowans (they're like Canadians on niceness steroids) must be up to some pretty dark shenanigans.

Posted by: Bob-S | January 5, 2011 10:14 PM | Report abuse

[The train trip was actually Atlanta-to-D.C., I think. I'll stand by the other details.]

Posted by: Bob-S | January 5, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton gets a shout out from Andrew Sullivan.

Follow Sullivan's link for a remarkable blow for civility. I was not a Mark Dayton fan, and doubt that I'll ever be among his most ardent supporters. But, he made me proud today.

Posted by: frostbitten1 | January 5, 2011 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Good evening, all.

Trying - and failing - to catch up on 24 hours of Boodling.

Thanks to those of you congratulating me on the Regular Season Football Tiara, but I'm not sure I'm feeling it quite yet...

Mudge & Yello - I can make some recommendatons about using duct tape for apparel. One of which is to use olive oil or Pam (olive oil-flavored, natch) to coat Very Sensitive Personal Natural Reserves against duct tape adhesive. Believe me, inadvertent Scorched Earth Manscaping is even less fun than it sounds.

*Believe* me.

On another note entirely, today's NASA Astronomy Picture of the Day (January 5) is a doozy (and forgive me if someone posted it already):

Make sure you look at the pic from January 5 (you can look in the archive if you're looking on Jan 6 or later). Be sure to read the text below, it makes the picture even more amazing.

On a related note, the new Speaker of the House stands out in a crowd, doesn't he? Oy.


Posted by: -bc- | January 5, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

So anyway, heavy industrialization after the Civil War pretty much wiped out any idea of surface 18th-Century meanings defining the Constitution. I recall reading that Justice Holmes once had to remind the pro-business majority that Herbert Spencer (the Victorian social darwinist) was not actually one of the framers. The economic & political conflicts of the late 19th-early 20th centuries made our present divisions look tame, and the urgent need to adapt our institutions was felt by everyone, with differing arguments pressed on not a few occasions by violence or threat of same (bombs in New York & LA, little shooting wars in Penn. and Ky., and much more). There were competing directions of change for constitutional interpretation, some pro-business & some pro-labor, but with stasis hardly a possibility. I'm sure the attorneys here can offer actual knowledge as opposed to my vague foggy half-memories of history books. But with our country having passed that terrible divide many decades ago, how can anyone think we can climb into the wayback machine and figure out what Hamilton & Jefferson et al. "really had in mind" with any sort of relevance? Properly this is a scholarly exercise, not a judicial one.

Sorry, this topic came up while I was at work, where I can't post, and I've had the rant burning a hole in my pocket all day.

Condolences to the Canadians and congrats to the Russians.

Posted by: woofin | January 5, 2011 11:15 PM | Report abuse

bc - That picture is mind-bogglingly righteous! Even if it were a Photoshop creation, the backstory would make it pretty darned cool.

Posted by: Bob-S | January 5, 2011 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Guy-stuff, I think. It was Ewwww! for me.

Posted by: Yoki | January 5, 2011 11:54 PM | Report abuse

woofin - Nicely put. I love discussing abstract political philosophy until it's time to make legislation. At that point, I just want to see what works. I'll vote for Jerry Brown, Sarah Palin, Sandra Bernhard (or Sarah Bernhardt, if she's still up for it), Dave Barry and any remaining Marx(ist) brothers if they can convince me they've got workable policies to deal with some problems and the good sense to leave other things alone until they have similarly-workable plans.

Often, I find that I cast votes for less-than-ideal candidates. But it's a less-than-ideal world.

Posted by: Bob-S | January 5, 2011 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Yoki - You don't like the Sun?

Posted by: Bob-S | January 5, 2011 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Nope. I hate going outdoors.

Posted by: Yoki | January 6, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps you should move somewhere with less of it.

Posted by: Bob-S | January 6, 2011 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Pretty cool photo, bc! Thanks for sharing, I forgot to check the widget today on my iGoogle, and would've missed it!

Posted by: MoftheMountain | January 6, 2011 12:07 AM | Report abuse

perhaps I should. I'll consider.

Posted by: Yoki | January 6, 2011 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Apparently, your best indoor:outdoor ratio is in Monaco. Singapore, Vatican City and Malta are worth considering as well. But as long as you can find a place to hole up between about midnight & six A.M., the TTC will house you in rolling luxury for less than forty bucks a week, right? That's a heck of a deal.

Posted by: Bob-S | January 6, 2011 12:25 AM | Report abuse

As for federalism and the states being laboratories, the current health care system Republicans are trying to dismantle is a watered down version that Republican Mitt Romney installed in Massachusetts to what seems to be success.

Meanwhile, the McCain plan (and lets talk about mandates and lack thereof here) was to allow unfettered interstate marketing of insurance plans by abrogating the regulations of individual states.

It would be more fun to point the hypocrisy if it weren't so blatant and obvious.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 6, 2011 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Rise and shine sleepyheads!

Hot, fresh Rosti for breakfast, your choice of bacon/egg, ham/cheese, or smoked salmon toppings

and assorted fresh fruits including an extra helping of lychees for DotC.

Posted by: DNA_Girl | January 6, 2011 6:06 AM | Report abuse

Lord have mercy! ... the atheist declares.
Ye boodlers crack me up. Shall I post this and offend the believers?
Prolly so. I've never met a bunch of folk I trust so highly.

In my life in the last few days there has been notice of three deaths. My brother's mother-in-law of sudden stroke, my husband's niece of pancreatitis and related illness (only 49), and my dear little Grace, only six years old, from meningitis. Weeping fails.
Boodling helps.

As Scotty posts much better than I ... HUGs! to you all. There is great comfort here.

Posted by: talitha1 | January 6, 2011 6:06 AM | Report abuse

Atheists can hope
for a better beyond too
with flowers and bees

Posted by: DNA_Girl | January 6, 2011 6:16 AM | Report abuse

God loves us so much more than we can imagine through Him that died for all, Jesus Christ.

Morning, friends. DNA Girl, another knock-out on the table. Thanks a bunch!

taliatha, lots of hugs to you.

The picture here in the Post on the opinion page of John Boehner(sp) holding the tool of his leadership in this country, says so much more than a thousand words. I'll bet some folks slept really good last night, and their anxiety level has dropped tremendously.

Once on visit to a local school, I had the opportunity to talk with a school counselor and she told me that most African American kids know absolutely nothing about the history of segregation or the Civil Rights Movement for that matter. She said kids today assume African Americans were always able to walk in the front door. And going to the back door is just not on their radar screen. They don't have a clue.

And most schools that attempt to teach Black history have an underlying fear of teaching "all" of that history. They like to keep it soft. Young people have the annoying habit of filtering out the BS. Plus schools are afraid of setting off chaos. Perhaps that has changed?

Slyness, it's just cold here, bone chilling cold! Along with the water therapy, got home exercises to do for the back, none of which will relieve the pain.

Have a fantastic day, folks, and love to all.

Posted by: cmyth4u | January 6, 2011 6:46 AM | Report abuse

*HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS to talitha, with many more in reserve*

You've got to be kidding me. You've really got to be kidding me. You simply must really be kidding me:

A "peer-reviewed" paper on ESP? *SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH*

*at-least-it's-almost-Friday Grover waves* :-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 6, 2011 7:19 AM | Report abuse

talitha, my condolences to you and yours.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 6, 2011 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Morning Everyone! Still struggling with the fact that Christmas is over. And that I now have a titanium anchor inserted in my jaw in preparation for a synthetic molar. But mostly that Christmas is over.

Posted by: RD_Padouk | January 6, 2011 7:59 AM | Report abuse

That is quite a bumper crop of tragedy. my sorrow goes out to all those affected. I sometimes wonder if it isn't lethal to be within two Bacon degrees of a Boodler. Last night my wife paid a shivah call for a colleague's father. She was totally unfamiliar with the ceremonies but had a coworker with her to explain them.

Way back in the 70s I took a Black History (as it was called then) class and the focus was on the achievements of individual African-Americans (as they were not called then) rather than the struggles and tribulations that had been set against the group as a whole.

I am reading Penrod by Booth Tarkington and it is full of a lot of casual racism that would definitely not pass muster today even if were of the literary quality of Huckleberry Finn, which it isn't.

I once read a science fiction novel where the protagonist's job was to digitally remove the smoking cigarettes from old movies. I wonder if someday Kindles and similar devices will have a search and replace feature to bring the slang of older books up to contemporary standards.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 6, 2011 8:00 AM | Report abuse

RD_P, you never mentioned getting the Richard Kiel role in the "Moonraker" remake...

Posted by: Scottynuke | January 6, 2011 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all. Cassandra, I hope you're feeling better today! It was in the upper 30's when Mr. T and I walked this morning, so not too terribly cold. There was misting rain, though, which was supposed to be over at that time. So much for forecasts!

Talitha, my sympathies. It does seem like deaths come in bunches, doesn't it? My heart and prayers will be with you.

bc, LOVED that photo!

Yello, I hope we won't change the old to conform to current sensibilities, that would destroy the whole point of history and literature, don't you agree? I think the n-word should stay in Huck Finn, and we should teach our children what it meant and why it's unacceptable today. How can they know who they are, if they don't know where they've come from?

Posted by: slyness | January 6, 2011 8:14 AM | Report abuse


Ouch, and more OUCH! Just reading that made me hurt. And sorry about Christmas, but hopefully you'll get to see the one this year.

Yello, so true.

Time to move, folks.

Posted by: cmyth4u | January 6, 2011 8:17 AM | Report abuse


Ouch, and more OUCH! Just reading that made me hurt. And sorry about Christmas, but hopefully you'll get to see the one this year.

Yello, so true.

Time to move, folks.

Posted by: cmyth4u | January 6, 2011 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Talitha, add my voice to the others ... so sad.

Musical moment for us on a Thursday:

Posted by: russianthistle | January 6, 2011 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Those potato thingies look totally delicious. I kinda like having you a couple of time zones ahead of Dawn Patrol. Especially since I a currently a couple of time zones behind.

Posted by: yellojkt | January 6, 2011 8:28 AM | Report abuse

talitha, condolences don't begin to cover what you're going through, but here they are anyway.

Posted by: Raysmom | January 6, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

cymth4u, I have to ask...where are the parents, the families, the extended communities? I learned about my ethnic and cultural histories at home, as I think most kids do. While I find it hard to believe that AA teenagers today don't know about the back door, for whatever reason, some facts seem to be deemed 'lesser' over time and don't get included in general studies...that the KKK was anti-Catholic, for example. It's also something of a tightrope walk to teach racial history without teaching racism, perhaps a reason to soft-pedal lessons at younger ages. And it has become more difficult for them to understand (as opposed to just accepting as fact), which is a good thing. DC understands that at some point in the past, people were color-coded, but for the life of her she doesn't know why. There's no relevance to it in her life, and she's still too young to grasp the bigger uglinesses in this world (I'd like to keep it that way just a tad longer). Then again, maybe the kids you're talking about are using VA textbooks.

Happy Epiphany, and Merry Christmas tbg.

Posted by: LostInThought | January 6, 2011 8:45 AM | Report abuse

History buffs and car buffs and historical car buffs will like this-

Posted by: kguy1 | January 6, 2011 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Cassandra, I love the many ways you spell my great grandmother's name. 'tis only my spiritual name, ya know ... and you honor us both.

reference Mark 5:41
'And taking the damsel by the hand, he saith to her: Talitha cumi, which is, being interpreted: Damsel (I say to thee) arise.' The man, Jesus, was speaking Aramaic to the best of my understanding. [Among the many interpretations 'cumi' is written 'koum' ... "In the book of Mark, it is recorded that when Jesus reached the bedside of Jairus’ daughter, she was already dead. Those in the house summoned him away, saying it was too late. Even so, he called out to her in Aramaic, “Talitha koum” — “My child, get up!” And she did.]

I recall to this day the moment that my greatgrandmother, upon learning that I had no given middle name, bestowed Talitha upon me. I took it to heart and do my best every day to live up to it

... and to rise.

Posted by: talitha1 | January 6, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Hey, ftb, ya gotta read this piece about two Swedish Stieg Larsson wannabes: "They know how to deliver the kind of stilted, world-weary verbosity that somehow quickens the pulses of this genre’s readers. Even better, they are on a first-name basis with the Seven Dwarfs of Scandinavian Noir: Guilty, Moody, Broody, Mopey, Kinky, Dreary and Anything-but-Bashful."

'Morning, Boodle.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 6, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse


Very Interesting points. About two hours ago, I was thinking about friends of mine who were writers and how their world has changed.

I was also thinking, for some reason, about the guy who used to sit at Woodmont and Old Georgetown Rd and sell poetry. I think that he also did commissioned works.

Last week, I happened to be listening to Thom Hartmann speaking on radio to his co-author Lamar Waldron, who wrote Legacy of Secrecy, a heavily researched work on the King and JFK assassinations and related history.

They got into an extended discussion about the Citizens' Councils of Mississippi who came back into the light thanks to Haley Barbour's publicity. He had made the assertion that the CCs had, in his position, kept the peace in his area by keeping the KKK out of the area. That, of course, is a totally white washed version of history. They pointed out that many of the KKK folks would also appear in the CC groups. Beyond that, Waldron pointed out that at least one CC member put up the money to fund taking out MLK.

These are the same groups that Barbour not only lauded, but with whom he would associate during his early and also later political life.

It was Waldron's contention that Barbour released the two sisters from the pen from their life sentences (those sentences were beyond bazaar) as a way to distract attention to his Citizens Council comments.

Waldron claimed that Barbour had been sitting on a request from his state's justice department for a very long time and just used it (which was needed anyway) to distract attention away from his controversial statements.

Not stopping there, however, Waldron, who has studied the history in exacting detail and is well familiar with the "messaging" of the Citizens' Councils mentioned that what you have seen with some of the Southern Tea Party movement is a close reflection of those times in the past and many of the suggestions are pulled from the past history. In fact, he went on to say that you see, again, the same faces that ran through those earlier days in history.

They want to reclaim "an America" that they feel was taken from them. Which brings me back to the question about Huck Finn. Our history isn't that long that we shouldn't remember where our people have traveled. I tend to lean towards Cassandra's position for the point that we all too often prefer to forget our sordid past and even more disturbing, we tend to ignore the race baiting that occurs around us today.

LiT, you very well may be correct that a book used in school may not be the place to get that point across, indirectly, but, at the same time, we have Fox News blowing that same "dog whistle" almost hourly.


Posted by: russianthistle | January 6, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I for one new nothing really of my cultural history, those that had the stories were long dead several generations ahead of me, I knew about my Canadian heritage but not my roots. As for my German heritage that is lost, it was not spoken of, perhaps because the original relative who emigrated did so under as an AWOL soldier from the war of 1848. Add in some illegitimacy and that area of my family history was not discussed, what I knew was the family name was Irishified to fit in to the new surroundings - that is all. There was discrimination against RC's and Irish I would learn later in school and from studies but no very little of it from my family history.

Time seems to blur the stories.

Posted by: dmd3 | January 6, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

thank you all for your kindness.
the boodle is amazing!

Posted by: talitha1 | January 6, 2011 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Something's been bugging me for a couple of days now: I think Joel got his analogies wrong in the kit. The Party Chairman is NOT the QB; (s)he's the GM. The primary responsibility is to round up the players (candidates), provide a supporting infrastructure, arrange for necessary money from the owner(s), bring in replacements when needed, and set the general tone. Then step back and don't try to make the Pro Bowl yourself.

That would describe the Howard Dean and Haley Barbour versions of the job, and whether you like those individuals or not they were pretty successful in the job by most standard definitions.

The QB, by contrast, has to be on the field, involved in the play, and if your chairman is doing that he's not doing his real job behind the scenes.

It also makes a better analogy for the football-team-originally-known-as-the-Boston-Braves (ftokatBB). Steele is neither Grossman nor McNabb; he's Vinnie Cerrato. And what better analogy could their be for a guy who succeeds by sucking up to rich patrons and indulging their whims; fights with the coaches; brings in bizarre players/candidates; and is generally more concerned with his own image than team performance?

Contrast Ozzie Newsome. The Ravens are much more successful than the Redskins, because he knows his job and does it well. The GOP would be much better off with an Ozzie than a Vinnie.

So the analogy is:

Cerrato:Steele :: Newsome:???

Posted by: ArmyBrat1 | January 6, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse


The illusions of our President as all sorts of African Witch Doctors, or monkeys, etc.... that's the old play book. Really it is about power and control over other people. Curiously, the people who keep on getting headlines saying, keep the government out of our lives are often the very ones who are busy trying to stick their noses into our private business.

One of the interesting crossing points was the campaign of Barry Goldwater.

Posted by: russianthistle | January 6, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

My condolences Talitha, not a good start to the year.

Cassandra, my oldest granddaughter called me last night to ask me about the civil rights era of the '60's as they are studying this in her 6th grade class. I gave her To Kill a Mocking Bird for Christmas and she will be reading it at home as they study in school. When I told her that I was pleased she was learning about this, she said that we had to learn things in order to not repeat them.

Posted by: badsneakers | January 6, 2011 9:23 AM | Report abuse

yello -- re: your 8:00 post this morning (last paragraph) -- there would be quite a few copyright issues involved in that. Don't want nobody else mucking about like that, you see, without authorization from the copyright holder. Reasons don't matter.

Posted by: ftb3 | January 6, 2011 9:23 AM | Report abuse

New Kit!

Posted by: dmd3 | January 6, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Oh, Sneaks -- what a wonderful gift to give your granddaughter! She sounds receptive to it, as well. It will be interesting to hear her reactions to the book. After she has read the book, you might want to look at the movie with her, as the movie is very powerful in its own right.

Talitha, my heart goes out to you. You have my condolences.

Posted by: ftb3 | January 6, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I actually agree with ArmyBrat about this: the party chairman is the GM. But the other half of the analogy problem is that the party that occupies the White House has a clear quarterback: it's the president. The party out of power -- even if they control one or both houses of Congress -- usually has no clear quarterback up until the moment the nomination process picks a presidential nominee. Only then does its quarterback generally become known (unless that nominee is a figurehead, which sometimes happens).

I suspect that, almost by definition, it is impossible for the out-party to even have a quarterback. The analogy of quarterback requires this person to be the widely (universally?) acknowledged leader of the out-party, and in real life there is almost never such a person. I've been trying to think of historical instances when the out-party (either one) ever had such a clear quarterback manque (before the nomination), and can't do it. The closest I can come is Teddy Roosevelt, when he created the Bullmoose Party, and then -- in terms of the analogy -- became its non-White House quarterback. But that's stretching the circumstances: he became the quarterback of a non-existent team, then built the team around himself. And then of course he failed to win the election.

Posted by: curmudgeon6 | January 6, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

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