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Posted at 2:10 PM ET, 03/11/2011

Maryland House kills same-sex marriage bill for this year

By John Wagner

The Maryland House of Delegates has voted to effectively kill for this year a bill that would have allowed same-sex marriage in the state.

The House approved on voice vote a motion to send the bill back to the Judiciary Committee, an acknowledgment by supporters that it did not have sufficient votes to pass on the floor.

The bill cleared the Senate two weeks ago on a 25-to-21 vote, and Gov. Martin O'Malley (D) had pledged to sign it.

Advocates for the bill had hoped Maryland would join five other states and the District in allowing same-sex marriages. The bill had significant momentum coming out of the Senate but ran into resistance in the Democratic-led House from African-American lawmakers from Prince George's County, who cited religious opposition in their districts, and conservative Democrats in Southern Maryland and the Baltimore suburbs.

O'Malley said he's "disappointed" by the decision. He said he expected the issue to ultimately be decided by voters and had hoped it would move forward to that end Friday.

By John Wagner  | March 11, 2011; 2:10 PM ET
 
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Maryland delegates reveal themselves to be cowards and bigots resisting instead of leading the march towards equality. I am ashamed of my state today.

Posted by: md268 | March 11, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

a lot of DL and BIsexual men live in PG co

Posted by: JeroRobson1 | March 11, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

And I'm betting a few of them serve in the House of Delegates and wouldn't stand behind this bill.

Posted by: md268 | March 11, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

So they took a voice vote? Talk about taking the cowardly way out.

Posted by: PhilPerspective | March 11, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This is a real shame. Religion aside, I cannot for the life of me understand why so many black people are against this. Of all people they should get it. Thank goodness for them that the people who helped advance their struggles weren't so blinded by fear and ignorance. In time, this will advance as they are on the wrong side of history...

Posted by: Buddy1232 | March 11, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Well I'm so proud of the law makers who stood on their beliefs instead of giving in to what's popular. This has nothing to do with being a bigot. I absolutely love all people; straight or gay, but God created the institution of marriage between a man and woman. That's it and that's all. It took real courage for them to take a stand; finally people standing up for what's good and right. Also, I don't think politicians should come to our churches when it's election time just to get our vote, but then they pass laws that go against the foundation of the church. AMEN! Wanne

Posted by: wandacromer | March 11, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

You're not a coward or bigot simply because you don't agree. And neither is it hate. It's a disagreement. Plain and simple!

Posted by: Niamke25 | March 11, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

There's hope for Maryland My Maryland after all!

Posted by: wewinyoulose1 | March 11, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

MD lost the opportunity today to set an example for the rest of the nation and join Vermont and New Hampshire in legislatively approving same-sex marriage. One day (hopefully sooner than later), our delegates will stand up for what is right and constitutional, even in the face of opposing views in their districts.

Posted by: silverspringterp1 | March 11, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Too bad. On to 2012.

Posted by: boomer400 | March 11, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Well I cannot wait until it is time to vote. Prince George's county is filled with same sex couples and these delegates represent us all! We all deserve full rights afforded by the law. They better starting lining up those consultant jobs because I will make it a personal goal to ensure that they are all voted out!

Posted by: cbaxter197 | March 11, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

This is absolutely shameful.

Posted by: Aaron20011 | March 11, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah MD!!!! Praise God!!!! A person's skin color has nothing to do with who they want to sleep with! Marriage is God's idea- and a public confession before Him! He did not ordain same sexes to marry!!

Posted by: ehenry1 | March 11, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

@Niamke: It's not disagreement if you can't give a legitimate argument in your defense. We're not talking ice cream flavors, we're talking about people's lives. I fail to see how someone can say they are against me having the same rights they have and then not have that be defined as bigotry. Nor can I see the people who refuse to take a stand or be accounted for their views as being less than cowards.

Posted by: md268 | March 11, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The oppressed become the oppressors. Classic.
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Paging Dr. Freud.
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And the next time PG county is going up in flames, turn off the water and let it burn down.

Posted by: B-rod | March 11, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

@ehenry1 - Keep your religious delusions to yourself and stop using them as an excuse to discriminate against a certain class of your fellow citizens.

Posted by: Aaron20011 | March 11, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Thank You, Thank You! MD has said wait all states should say. Do what you want to do but WE WILL NOT acknowledge it! God did not intend for same sex marriage! You can have equal rights, just a single individuals!!

Posted by: nunofurbizness | March 11, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Slavemaster O'Malley has lost control, run black folk, run!

Posted by: wewinyoulose1 | March 11, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

What pains me the most is that fellow minorities would turn on their brothers and sisters in the very same fashion they once were troubled by.

When the civil rights issues were before the public the GLBT community was their lending their support, but that seems now forgotten.

I wonder what Bayard Rustin would have to say about today's events were he alive to tell us.

Posted by: JohnHosty-Grinnell | March 11, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

It's time for black folk to take their party back. Crazy white liberals have taken us for granted long enough!

Posted by: wewinyoulose1 | March 11, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Time for folks to brush up on their history. In the past, skin color had everything to do with who U.S. citizens could sleep with. Until 1967, it was illegal in many states for black and white people to marry. Look back a little further, and you'll find a time when black people were not allowed to marry at all. Both of these sad injustices were rationalized by reference to the same bible that is now used to deny the civil right of marriage to gay couples.

And I'm done with this notion that it isn't bigotry to prohibit gay marriage. Bigotry is the practice of denying someone the rights of citizenship based on an immutable trait -- race, sex, national origin or sexual orientation. It's bigotry, plain and simple.

Posted by: JDygert1 | March 11, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Governor O'Malley my legal out of state marriage should NOT be voted on. Shame on the legislators who supported us and changed in mid-stream or hid and decided not to show courage as another legislative session passes with marriage equality a victim of hate, fear, ignorance, and poor leadership. Yours is not the take of history, yours is the talk of cowardice. At least give us the decency to know your face and know your true vote, not debate 3 hours and then push it back.

Posted by: daxmcg | March 11, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

@md268 - What you fail to realize is that they DID take a stand. A stand for what THEY & WE believe. They LISTENED to their constituents.

And for the record, I don't have to defend anything. You want me to agree with you over God's Word. Um, no! You can love the person and not the actions.

Posted by: Niamke25 | March 11, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

@Aaron20011 - No sir you are delusional if u think that anyone who does not support men and women to marry each other is against you! I am undeterred at"your" thinking of what YOU consider a RIGHT! I've seen your type b4- you denounce God until you're sick, loose your job or home or even your mind and then you're crying out to him for help or asking for prayer.....again Praise God for victory in the state of MD today!!!

Posted by: ehenry1 | March 11, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

You can compare this to the Civil Rights movement when your homes are burned, your children are lynched, you are forced to ride in the back of the bus, can't drink from the same fountains or simply just can't eat in the same restaurants as straight people.

Posted by: Niamke25 | March 11, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

You can compare this to the Civil Rights movement when your homes are burned, your children are lynched, you are forced to ride in the back of the bus, can't drink from the same fountains or simply just can't eat in the same restaurants as straight people.

Posted by: Niamke25 | March 11, 2011 3:11 PM

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Is being murdered for being gay not enough for you? What an bigoted a@shole.

Posted by: B-rod | March 11, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

How shameful that these "delegates" did not even have the decency to insist on a roll call vote.

And how sad it is that equality in the law should be derailed by the forces of men who are celibate except for instances of statutory rape, people whose faith actively encouraged polygamy until it became politically expedient not to do so officially, and people who claim that the inerrant word of God actively condones marital rape, the joyful acceptance of slavery as a gateway to heaven, and the merciless slaughter of civilian victims of warfare.

"As ye reap, so shall ye sow."

Posted by: edallan | March 11, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"GOD" also created Polygamy that is written in bible. I guess you forgot to overlook that credo...(Insert sarcastic line here_____)

Posted by: yeayea911 | March 11, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Niamke, you have proved my point. Your bible is not mine and your theology does not rule my life. We have a constitution that is supposed to guarantee a separation of the religious life from the state functions for this very reason. This is an equality issue, not a religious one.

The reason I used the coward label is that except for those who spoke publicly, the delegates did not take a stand. They took a voice vote to send the bill back to committee so that they would not have to go on record as supporting or not supporting the bill. Their positions will be exposed in future campaigns though and I can send my money and votes to those who support me and my rights.

And finally let's make a deal. You don't tell me you love me but not who I chose to love and I won't tell you that you are a close minded bigot who is fighting on the wrong side of civil rights.

Posted by: md268 | March 11, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I just moved from DC and we picked MD instead of VA because we knew that MD was friendlier to us. I live in PG County and I will be voting as soon as I can. I am continually amazed at how religion is used to discriminate against others. God did not create marriage, man did, and god most certainly did not give married couples all the benefits that the US government does. This is about being seen as a family in the eyes of the law, and being able to protect and provide for your family. You can keep your God, because it’s not the one I know.

Posted by: troyrobertdavid | March 11, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Libs, will you call the PG county people who opposed this racist bigots like you call conservatives when they don't agree witn your agenda?

This was purely liberal darling vs liberal darling, and one darling beat the other...

i thought only white conservatives could be bigots!

Posted by: scoran | March 11, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

For shame! People who have suffered discrimination because of how they were born,discriminating against people who were born gay!How would the right for gays to marry, affect a heterosexual in ANY WAY!!!

Posted by: hotmaja54 | March 11, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Bigoted? You have no clue dude. Funny how you use that as a crutch when someone doesn't agree with you. It's like me saying someone is racist because we see things from a different spectrum. You continue to do what you do and love whom you will. Just don't try to force it upon me & my children. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord...

Posted by: Niamke25 | March 11, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Please note that Delegates are voting based on the people that they serve, not what they think.. well, that is what they are supposed to do... People are crying, do what's right ?? Well, they did. I saw a blurb that a delegate said that they voted based on what their region said... believe it or not, people will accept other gays, lesbian's etc... but when the word marraige comes up, some just stick to their guns... personally, dont care one way or another... if you love soemone and want to be with them, go for it.

Posted by: rvanags1 | March 11, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Now that this is tabled the those folks in Annapolis don't have this to distract the voters when they have to raid our wallets to deal with a budget shortfall everyone seems to have forgotten. You all should pay attention as to what's being proposed to close that gap.

Posted by: damailman | March 11, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Thanks again Niamke. My house is mine and yours is your own. I neither am welcome in it nor try to bring my life into yours and I expect you to do the same with mine. When you don't do this, and when you support the state as saying that my house is less than yours, and then do so in an intolerant way by throwing religion into it, I call it bigoted.

Posted by: md268 | March 11, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Down low brothers will always vote against equal rights for gays because a stolen cookie always tastes better.

Posted by: cnj5954 | March 11, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Niamke25; You instantly loss the argument when you say "God said so." You are using religion to discriminate. You can call it whatever you like but I want ALL the rights and privileges that you and your spouse get. God does not decide what the US government should do concerning its citizens. Not everyone believes in what you do. You don't want it forced upon you and your children, well I don't want your religious views to be forced upon me and have them decide what I and the one I love can do. We want to be seen as a family in the eyes of the law and your religion should have nothing to do with it.

Posted by: troyrobertdavid | March 11, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Why don't proponents of same-sex marriage/unions work from the angle that their attractions are biological vs a choice? If there is an abundance of proof, akin to the PHYSICAL attractions of opposite-sex individuals, then I think there will be more acceptance.

Discrimination protections are in place to protect persecution on issues that we neither choose nor control. (age, sex, race, etc)

Simply put, there are rules to our society when it comes to choices. Siblings/close relatives can't choose to legally marry, Pet owners and pets can't choose to legally marry, and same-sex couples can't choose to legally marry.

Just prove that it's not a choice!

Posted by: shadeau | March 11, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

What is this "God" of which some of you speak? There are many religions in the United States, with all sorts of deities. Which one are you referring to? Are you referring to the God who sanctioned slavery in the Judeo-Christian bible?

There are also plenty of people who do not practice any religion at all. God? Heard of it, but don't believe in fairy tales, thanks.

Or, do you think you should be like the Taliban and force your religion down everyone's throats?

This was a shameful day. Imagine if civil rights had been put to a majority vote in the Southern states in the 1960's.

What happened to day is called bigotry, plain and simple.

Posted by: oycrikey | March 11, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

It looks like bigotry has won again. How sad for Maryland.

Posted by: CAmira5 | March 11, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Dude, I can speak about religion all day. If you have no affiliation, then it doesn't pertain to you. You can speak about gay rights all day because it doesn't affect me. You don't want me to force my beliefs upon you, but at the same time you attempt to force yours on me. We disagree plain and simple.

You can do whatever it is you choose, but you can't throw a temper tantrum when you loose. Just like me; you're fighting for what you believe is right. We just believe each other is wrong.

Posted by: Niamke25 | March 11, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I take back what I said earlier Niamke. I DO invite you to my home and welcome you to see what life is like in a same sex couple's household. We go to work, we support and enjoy our neighbors and our community, we do chores, we shop, we go to the movies and most importantly we are committed to each other. And if my gay friends who have children are the example, we would live and die for them. If it weren't so wonderful, I'd say it was boring.

Posted by: md268 | March 11, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Black delegates voting to prevent gay couples from jumping the broom.

May you be visited by your ancestors in nightmares.

Posted by: rmnelson | March 11, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I am not rying to force my beliefs on you, I am trying to keep your religious beliefs from influencing the law.

Posted by: troyrobertdavid | March 11, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Miamki25 -- And you can compare your struggle to mine when you can tell me about contemplating suicide because you feared being rejected by your family when you finally got the up the courage to tell them you were black.

You should spend your time praying for God to have mercy on YOUR soul for the your lack of compassion and for bearing false witness against his gay children.

Posted by: dwaldman | March 11, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

wandacromer, God did not create the institution of marriage, he created a man and a woman. period . See how people twist the Bible? You can believe what you want, but don't just make up stuff. Check your Bible again.

Posted by: KBGilmore | March 11, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Niamke25 -- And what about people who believe that blacks are culturally and intellectually inferior to whites? It's just a belief, not bigotry. Prove them wrong. Look at the state of the black community today. Look at the test scores in black dominated schools. It must be true, and in any event it's just something they don't agree with you on. Please don't take it personally.

Posted by: dwaldman | March 11, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Man, watching all these liberals go at it here in these comments is hilarious..

Posted by: scoran | March 11, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Two points:

1. Claiming that one's god wants same-sex marriage to be illegal is a sectarian stance, one which has no place in secular lawmaking. This would be true if someone argued that his or her god favored same-sex marriage. Government must take no position on whether gods exist and what such gods might want. Lawmaking isn't about stumping for any particular religious beliefs. If you believe that your god opposes same-sex marriage, or that your god favors it, then that stops with you, plain and simple. Which leads to my next point...

2. The idea that the legality of same-sex marriage should be decided by the will of voters is ludicrous. There's no reason why I as a voter should be deciding which consenting adults should marry and which shouldn't. Like I'm a busybody matchmaker from a Jane Austen novel or something. Same-sex marriage isn't about taking rights away from straights. Really, would the legalization of same-sex marriage render straight marriages in Maryland null and void? Oh, please.

Posted by: Carstonio | March 11, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

You dudes are funny. Why do you think anyone is hating you? I know gay folks, talk with them, golf with them, etc. When we talk about this topic we agree to disagree. I just had a discussion with a gay friend who is equally disappointed. We agree to disagree, plain and simple.

I'm sure you have a clean home and your friends take wonderful care of their children. At the same token, if you hung with me, you would see that me and MY friends don't hate you. My church would welcome you. But yet and still, because I'm not in line with the politically correct, you label me a Bigot. I can change your mind no more than you can change mine. Peace be with you all.

Posted by: Niamke25 | March 11, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"You can compare this to the Civil Rights movement when your homes are burned"

Have you looked at FBI statistics for arson in the last decade or so?

Whose homes, exactly, do you think are being burned these days?

The most likely building to be burned in a hate crime these days is a gay bar or gay community center.

The second most likely is a church in the South, often a black church but not always.

Third most likely is a synagogue, though mosques are gaining on them.

In terms of homes, though, gay people are waaaay ahead of any other group. And we're a much, much smaller proportion of the population.

Posted by: rmnelson | March 11, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

What happened to the separation of church and state? Why are our legislators bringing religion into the government? Marriage and marriage rights should be equal for all people. Churches can do what they like they are not governed by our State legislative branches. KEEP RELIGION OUT OF GOVERNMENT!

Posted by: tlyoung424 | March 11, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Niamke, from the bottom of my heart, I wish a gay child upon you.

Posted by: md268 | March 11, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

For those who mock God he's the same one who gave you the breath of life! When you can show me 2 men or 2 women who can reproduce/create life I may rescind my stance until then - God be with you! Whomever you choose or not as for me, Jesus Christ- no man comes to the Father but thru Him!!

Posted by: ehenry1 | March 11, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

And from the bottom of my heart, I wish you peace. You have spewed nothing but hate! Glad I don't have a tortured, bitter soul like you dude.

No thanks for the gay children.

Posted by: Niamke25 | March 11, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

@dwaldman - WTH?

Posted by: Niamke25 | March 11, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Finally the voice of the constituents have been heard in the state of Maryland. Go to DC and get married if you must! Yuck!

Posted by: FBIGirl707 | March 11, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm a man and I want to marry my adult sister, but the law says that I can't do that. Where are my equal rights to marry the person who I love? Why am I being discriminated against?

Posted by: jbartlebee | March 11, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Funny, seems like god didn't want interracial marriages either...until people realized how ridiculous that was. Additionally, if I'm not mistaken, this country was founded on the basis of religious freedom, which means bigoted Christians shouldn't be bringing their hate and fear into any aspect of normal life let alone politics.

Posted by: -01- | March 11, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

ehenry1

So postmeopausal women shouldn't be allowed to marry? How about people who are infertile?

Posted by: sensible | March 11, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Down low brothers will always vote against equal rights for gays because a stolen cookie always tastes better.

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HAHAHAHAHA! cnj5954 this was the best and funniest post of the day. So true.

My own post is that I'm so amused by how public discourse among grownups still involves people getting all self-righteous over what their imaginary friend thinks about anything. My imaginary flying tiger who is my BEST FRIEND and knows all thinks gay people should be allowed to marry and be miserable like 99% of heterosexual married people. Tiger bless you

Posted by: sickofit66 | March 11, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness politicians have come to their senses. Marriage is between a man and a women for the purpose of procreation.gays and lesbians should not have the right of marriage.I'm tired of the whole mess. I don't throw my heterosexuality in their faces and I'm tired of them throwing their preferences in my face trying to force me into accepting something that is wrong and sinful.Gay rights, what about my rights. They should not equate this with the civil rights movement. They have absolutely nothing in common and it is an insult to the civil rights movement to compare the two.

Posted by: thekid531 | March 11, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

That's the beauty of homosexuality "dude", you don't get to choose it for someone else. I am not a tortured bitter soul and I'll thank you not for judging me without knowing me. I just respond to prejudice and irrationality by pointing it out when I see it.

Good luck with your gay golf buddies. You may think you have reached the point of "we just agree to disagree" - but ask them point blank if they think you're prejudiced and you may get an answer different than what you think.

Posted by: md268 | March 11, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

What I do find amusing is that you people are trying to convince me that I hate you. Look at your post and tell me who the real haters are?

Posted by: Niamke25 | March 11, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm a man and I want to marry my adult sister, but the law says that I can't do that. Where are my equal rights to marry the person who I love? Why am I being discriminated against?

Posted by: jbartlebee | March 11, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

You should be able to marry your adult sister if you want. You're both consenting adults. Although not sure how that incestuous sentiment is even remotely close to the argument that people who biologically are attracted to the same sex can't get married.

Posted by: sickofit66 | March 11, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

This is a good development. Let us hope and pray that more politicians will follow the lead of those counties where God-fearing people have made their voices heard. The religious black community in Maryland is leading the state in the right direction. Other communities should recognize that and do the right thing as well. This is not about civil rights for homosexuals. It is about the very moral underpinnings of our society.

Posted by: cowboycoleman | March 11, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness politicians have come to their senses. Marriage is between a man and a women for the purpose of procreation.gays and lesbians should not have the right of marriage.I'm tired of the whole mess. I don't throw my heterosexuality in their faces and I'm tired of them throwing their preferences in my face trying to force me into accepting something that is wrong and sinful.Gay rights, what about my rights. They should not equate this with the civil rights movement. They have absolutely nothing in common and it is an insult to the civil rights movement to compare the two.

Posted by: thekid531 | March 11, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Marriage is between a man and a women for the purpose of procreation
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Hahahahaha.. really? And who decided that? OH RIGHT. Your imaginary friend again. Which, I'm sure even if such a thing does exist, would LOVE you to speak for him with all your flaws. So I guess that means that hetero people who are married but can't have children or don't want children are sinners?

Posted by: sickofit66 | March 11, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Dude, I don't hate you, I hate your bigotry. I know you think I hate you but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

Posted by: md268 | March 11, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"Thank you" to the PG County Delegates, and to all of the Delegates from the other counties, who worked to kill this bill. God loves you and so do I. By the way, it was George Washington who said that religion and morality are the two indispensible supports of political prosperity. Thanks again!

Posted by: lawyerhale | March 11, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Dude, I don't hate you, I hate your bigotry. I know you think I hate you but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

Posted by: md268 | March 11, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

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You can't reason with someone who is irrational. That's the whole crux of believing the fairy tale overrides adult sensible public policy. I'm sorry this happened today--and I say it as a completely, 100% (and hot, I might add) hetero chick with no agenda other than common sense over ridiculousness

Posted by: sickofit66 | March 11, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Time for gays to wake up to the fact that black churches as are not going to back gay rights. Blacks killed gay marriage in Virginia.

Posted by: charlie-Imac | March 11, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

And here I was hoping I could get married in Maryland secure in the knowledge that all of my friends and family will be able to do the same if/when they so choose. Looks like DC or Massachusetts will get those event planning dollars instead. Way to help the state balance the budget, PG delegates and voters!

Posted by: justvisiting73 | March 11, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Niamke -- "WTH"? Was my post not clear?

Posted by: dwaldman | March 11, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Cowards who can't do their job and vote to enact legislation. You may not agree with the right of two same-sex persons to marry you may find homosexuality generally icky but the part that sickens me the most is that you are willing to punish innocent children being brought up by same-sex parents by treating them as a second-class family.

Posted by: hart2014 | March 11, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey fundamentalist cowards hiding behind the "word of god": the bible also approved of slavery -

"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

Sorry that you have to go back to the fields, but it's the word of god you know. tough break...

Posted by: paperwc | March 11, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Posted by: paperwc | March 11, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Can we put in a national law that says the only folks that can get married are 2 white people that agree to only have sex in the missionary position and agree to automatic divorce if they don't "procreate" within 3 years? I would vote yes for that just to invalidate all the "black delegates" marriages

Posted by: hart2014 | March 11, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

It IS bigotry to force other people to live by your religion. It's exactly the same bigotry that allowed this country for a couple of centuries to keep people enslaved, 'cause slavery is in the Bible.

I continue to be astonished that African Americans are happy to force other people to live by the the rules of their religion, when they were forced to live by others' rules for several hundred years.

It is bigotry, it is rank hypocrisy, and it is just as disgusting as racism.

Posted by: pilch62 | March 11, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"I don't throw my heterosexuality in their faces and I'm tired of them throwing their preferences in my face trying to force me into accepting something that is wrong and sinful."
Posted by: thekid531 | March 11, 2011 4:12 PM
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I'm interested in your choice of words, You say "heterosexuality" as it it is an unchangeable status, but you use the word "preference" instead of homosexuality. Is your sexuality a preference? Why do you think being gay is just a "preference"?

Posted by: dwaldman | March 11, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Jesus freaks! A lot of those in PG COUNTY. Especially the black women. PG COUNTY is known for it's MORALITY. Everyone leads a Christian life there. Uh huh. Can I get an amen?

Bringing their babies out when they protest...ain't that special. "Look at me! I got pregnant & had a baby? Can an evil lesbian do that? Well? HUH???"

Sure. All she has to do is visit a sperm bank or find a man willing to be the surrogate father.

Black folks in PG COUNTY got nothing to worry about than this?

Y'all don't want people to be happy? You think gays can take a pill, drink some holy water or pray to Jesus & suddenly become straight? I hope you don't think it works that way. As much chance as a straight person becoming gay.

I can definitely see Jesus denying gay people the right to get married. Oh yeah. That will definitely be NUMBER ONE on his agenda if he ever returns to earth. Prostitutes he didn't have a problem with. But gay people? HOO BOO. Y'all better look out.


Posted by: TaxiDriver | March 11, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

God made a man and a woman. We cannot populate this world with the same sex combination. I am not against gays or lesbians but I think it's an insult to the institution of marriage when same sex partners marry. The laws need to allow same sex partners to have the right to act on each other's behalf. But asking your union to be blessed by God is like smacking his face.

Posted by: skinfreak | March 11, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Jesus freaks! A lot of those in PG COUNTY. Especially the black women. PG COUNTY is known for it's MORALITY. Everyone leads a Christian life there. Uh huh. Can I get an amen?

Bringing their babies out when they protest...ain't that special. "Look at me! I got pregnant & had a baby? Can an evil lesbian do that? Well? HUH???"

Sure. All she has to do is visit a sperm bank or find a man willing to be the surrogate father.

Black folks in PG COUNTY got nothing to worry about than this?

Y'all don't want people to be happy? You think gays can take a pill, drink some holy water or pray to Jesus & suddenly become straight? I hope you don't think it works that way. As much chance as a straight person becoming gay.

I can definitely see Jesus denying gay people the right to get married. Oh yeah. That will definitely be NUMBER ONE on his agenda if he ever returns to earth.

Prostitutes he didn't have a problem with. But gay people. HOO BOY. Y'all better look out. Judgment day is a-comin'! PRAISE DA LAWD!


Posted by: TaxiDriver | March 11, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Think of it this way: two people of the same sex, who love each other and want to have legal protections and civil recognition, are being denied that.

Meanwhile, it's perfectly legal for a man and a woman who don't know each other, don't even like each other, to marry, never have kids, be unfaithful, have kinky disgusting sex, have orgies, etc., get divorced and remarried, etc., and still reap all the legal and civil benefits, simply because they're a man and a woman.

What's wrong with this picture? If gay marriage is so awful, why aren't the protectors of traditional marriage out there making sure that men and women are truly getting married for the "right" reasons and conducting their marriages in an acceptable way?

The real affront to God, and the real problem with marriage, is that men and women take it for granted, and there's nothing to stand in their way. When Britney Spears can get married in Vegas just for fun, then the institution of marriage has been broken, from within.

The religious don't blink when a man and woman get married, they think it's wonderful, and never look closer or deeper. Guess what, religious folks? Gays aren't the problem with marriage; it's the complacency of straight people who take it for granted and view it casually. It may be something ordained by God, but you've been dragging it through the mud for hundreds of years. Time to remove the log from your own eye.

Marriage should be about love and commitment between two adults, period.

Posted by: Stenbock | March 11, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Niamke, you are a bigot and a hater who seeks to enshrine your bigtory in law. you are no different from any God-fearing white person who ever claimed God's mandate to impose Jim Crow laws. You think that gay people are lesser humans than you, and that they should therefore be denied CIVIL (NOT religious) marriage because of that. You need to look in the mirror and see what you've become . . .

Posted by: pilch62 | March 11, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Why don't proponents of same-sex marriage/unions work from the angle that their attractions are biological vs a choice? If there is an abundance of proof, akin to the PHYSICAL attractions of opposite-sex individuals, then I think there will be more acceptance.

Discrimination protections are in place to protect persecution on issues that we neither choose nor control. (age, sex, race, etc)

Simply put, there are rules to our society when it comes to choices. Siblings/close relatives can't choose to legally marry, Pet owners and pets can't choose to legally marry, and same-sex couples can't choose to legally marry.

Just prove that it's not a choice!

Posted by: shadeau | March 11, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse


So shadeau (and any others that want to answer) What is the exact date and time that you CHOSE to be Straight?

Posted by: hart2014 | March 11, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"I don't throw my heterosexuality in their faces and I'm tired of them throwing their preferences in my face trying to force me into accepting something that is wrong and sinful."
Posted by: thekid531 | March 11, 2011 4:12 PM
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I'm interested in your choice of words, You say "heterosexuality" as it it is an unchangeable status, but you use the word "preference" instead of homosexuality. Is your sexuality a preference? Why do you think being gay is just a "preference"?


Posted by: dwaldman | March 11, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

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Honey, you'd be lucky if that poster even believes in evolution, much less understands the complexity of hormone development in utero or the "gay gene" that scientists may have isolated. It's much more comforting for someone like that to believe a giant santa claus sits in the sky and is omnipotent and all-knowing. And that dinosaurs wore saddles

Posted by: sickofit66 | March 11, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I live in California now (Orig from Maryland) and the same thing happened here. The Blacks (Yes, I am calling you out) voted against Prop 8 because of Religion. The same thing happened in Maryland too with the Alston chick. Lets put her rights to a vote...I am sure there are some white people that would love to see you in chains again...It is really F**KED up when others are allowed to vote on your rights as a person....

Posted by: yeayea911 | March 11, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Maryland Lawmakers and all the African-American Lawmakers in Prince Georges County. People have a right to love and have sex with whomever they please...but marriage is marriage...between a man and woman. It is shameful that states are now afraid to put this issue before voters because is has lost everytime the citizens have voted on it. I am grateful for the sake of our children that Maryland lawmakers said "No!!"

Posted by: Monita2 | March 11, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

And here is the polling from Prop 8: (Look @ the 1st & 3rd paragraph)

Californians who attend church weekly voted for Proposition 8 by an 83 percent to 17 percent. Those who attended church occasionally voted 40 percent in favor and 60 percent opposed. Californians who never attend church were 14 percent in favor and 86 percent against.

College graduates opposed Proposition 8 by a 57 percent to 43 percent margin. Those without a college degree favored it, 53 percent to 47 percent.

African-Americans voted for Proposition 8 by a 69 percent to 31 percent margin. However, 55 percent of white voters and 52 percent of Hispanics voted against the proposition.

Posted by: yeayea911 | March 11, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

So when/where are we all meeting up to stone the people working on Sunday this week? Damn sabbath breakers!

Posted by: paperwc | March 11, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and render unto God what is God's. Marriage is a religious event and as such belongs to God. A civil union is a legal event and belongs to "Caesar".

I had an widower uncle and his divorced niece who thought it would be a good idea to live together so they could look after each other and make decisions as needed, such as medical authority, inheritances, etc. Why shouldn't they have been able to have a civil union so they could legally take care of each other?

Remember, you can get married in as many religious ceremonies as you want but it only becomes legal when the marriage certificate is signed.

Posted by: MrBethesda | March 11, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Maryland Lawmakers and all the African-American Lawmakers in Prince Georges County. People have a right to love and have sex with whomever they please...but marriage is marriage...between a man and woman. It is shameful that states are now afraid to put this issue before voters because is has lost everytime the citizens have voted on it. I am grateful for the sake of our children that Maryland lawmakers said "No!!"

Posted by: Monita2 | March 11, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

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Oh yes, the children! The children! I was wondering when someone was going to hand wring and bring up "the children!" when this issue has nothing to do whatsoever with the children's health or peace of mind. Yes, let's save the children from icky boys kissing.

Posted by: sickofit66 | March 11, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Thank the Lord Maryland defeated this absurd bill.

To all the gays, hug it out in another state. Move to one of the states that allow it and leave Maryland allow.

So tired of all the gays crying about equal rights. Stop teaching our kids the wrong way.

Posted by: LEO1980 | March 11, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Why do non-Christians have to bow down to what Christians want?

Why are Christians always trying to shove Christianity & the Bible down everyone's throat?

Why don't you leave people alone who aren't doing you any harm?

Gays are everywhere. You can't make them disappear. They're here to stay. If they want to get married, let them. If it doesn't happen this year, it will happen soon. Guaranteed.

What will you do if your son or daughter tells you, they're gay? Beat them with rosary beads & a crucifix? Disown them?

GET REAL, PEOPLE.

GET OFF YOUR EXPLETIVE DELETED HIGH HORSE.

Posted by: TaxiDriver | March 11, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

alone*

Posted by: LEO1980 | March 11, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Why do non-Christians have to bow down to what Christians want?

Why are Christians always trying to shove Christianity & the Bible down everyone's throat?

Why don't you leave people alone who aren't doing you any harm?

Gays are everywhere. You can't make them disappear. They're here to stay. If they want to get married, let them. If it doesn't happen this year, it will happen soon. Guaranteed.

What will you do if your son or daughter tells you they're gay? It could happen. Easily. Beat them with rosary beads & a crucifix? Disown them? Try to make them heterosexual?

GET REAL, PEOPLE.

GET OFF YOUR EXPLETIVE DELETED HIGH HORSE.

Posted by: TaxiDriver | March 11, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Stenbock. Great post!

My parents were married for 42 years, till death they did part. My husband's parents were married for 56 years until we lost my father-in-law to cancer. They taught us everything we need to know about what marriage is really about.

Posted by: dwaldman | March 11, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Fantastic news! Great to see that there are limits to political correctness dressed up as "equality" and "civil rights".

Posted by: terencef100 | March 11, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

@skinfreak: Straight people would still be allowed to marry and bear children. Nobody would be stopping them. It's just that gay people would ALSO be allowed to marry.

The world won't end, and the population wouldn't disappear.

Some folks like to scream that "marriage is about children" but people are still allowed to marry and choose not to have children. The infertile and elderly are still allowed to marry, and everyone thinks it's great. The hypocrisy is stunning.

Posted by: Stenbock | March 11, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

You cannot make someone homosexual just like you can't make someone heterosexual.

Gays aren't trying to turn your straight, football-playing son into RuPaul. Relax. Go beat up a hippie.

Catholic Church preaching morality? Gimme a break. Shove it. As if.

Posted by: TaxiDriver | March 11, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Whenever I hear "the sanctity of marriage" (cue the Mormon Tabernacle Choir) I chuckle.

Posted by: TaxiDriver | March 11, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The bible also says to not eat crabs, since they don't have fins and scales.

Deuteronomy 14
14:9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
14:10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.

Looks like MD won't be known for crabs anymore....

Posted by: paperwc | March 11, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The laws need to allow same sex partners to have the right to act on each other's behalf. But asking your union to be blessed by God is like smacking his face.

Posted by: skinfreak | March 11, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

That's funny...My union was consecrated in God's house with God's witness and blessing. I am a woman. I married a woman. And last time I checked my black book Jesus never said 1 word about homosexuality.

Posted by: hart2014 | March 11, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Religious arguments have no place in debates about legal rights.

Posted by: WickedRose | March 11, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why these comments always have to be so vitriolic. Can't people disagree on heartfelt beliefs without hating each other? I respect the delegates who, against their personal leanings, decided to represent the people who elected them--to represent them.

Posted by: jcgarwood | March 11, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Like we're in danger of running out of babies/children.

I yield the floor.

Posted by: TaxiDriver | March 11, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Hart2014: Leviticus 20. And 2,000 years of solid, unwavering, crystal clear church dogma.

Posted by: terencef100 | March 11, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Is their someone on this post who is saying that their children were lynched and their house was burned? How old are you? I've searched the web for lynched children in the sixties in the US and couldn't find it. So let's see iff you had kids in the fifties, Niamke, you must be what 70 or 80 now? OR are you borrowing the plight of your ancestors? That is so very admirable of you! I'm sure they would appreciate having suffered so that your spoiled behind can feel justified using their struggles for your bigotry. I have not heard of any black folks houses being burnt in Maryland lately either. Sounds like you have those card pulling delusions of persecution going on-and bet your own kids are laughing at you. It's people like you who make others compare the black race to Animal Farm. Go get fitted for your sheet.

Posted by: stopthemadness | March 11, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"this issue has nothing to do whatsoever with the children's health or peace of mind."

Yes. Many opponents seem to assume that making same-sex marriage legal will entice people to become gay. The strangest argument involves the idea that it will lead to children being raised without fathers, which again assumes that homosexuality is a temptation for otherwise straight people.

Posted by: Carstonio | March 11, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Hart2014: Leviticus 20. And 2,000 years of solid, unwavering, crystal clear church dogma.

Posted by: terencef100 | March 11, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Terence....Check your book....Leviticus is old testament. That would be prior to Jesus Christ being born and dying for our sins as our saviour. I say again (pay attention now) JESUS said not 1 word about homosexuality

Posted by: hart2014 | March 11, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Libs, will you attack muslims if Gay Marraige is ever up for a vote in michigan and the huge muslim population overwhelmingly votes against it?

So funny to watch liberal darlings fight each other.

Posted by: scoran | March 11, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why these comments always have to be so vitriolic. Can't people disagree on heartfelt beliefs without hating each other? I respect the delegates who, against their personal leanings, decided to represent the people who elected them--to represent them.

Posted by: jcgarwood | March 11, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The delegates did no such thing. The delegates did not represent anyone on anything because they did not vote either for or against this legislation. They just copped out.

Posted by: hart2014 | March 11, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

jcgarwood, you do realize that this is yet another example of tax-paying, law-abiding gay people being treated as second-class citizens? It is different in ferocity, but not in kind, from every Jim Crow law that was ever passed. People got kinda angry about those laws, didn't they? On both sides? And they all had "heartfelt beliefs".

It's not about beliefs, it's about forcing other people to live by them. People can believe blacks or gays are of an inferior creation all they want to--but those beliefs should NOT be enshrined in the law of the land.

Posted by: pilch62 | March 11, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Hallelujah! All praise be to God. My beautiful Black brothers and sisters of Maryland!!! Today we have made our voices heard! Please realize that the Democratic Party fully expected us to remain silent while they imposed this atrocity upon us. Today, they have learned that Black does not equal liberal. We MUST hold our Black representatives ACCOUNTABLE for representing US!!! - not the homosexual lobbyists. WALDORF BABY! PG BABY! B-MORE BABY! M to'da D suckaz'!!!

Posted by: WallyWutMD | March 11, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Did God not also create man and woman? Then guess what? He also created homosexuals.

Get over yourselves.

Posted by: itsme1 | March 11, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Our laws are not, have never been, and should not be based on religion. If you believe that God does not approve of same-sex marriage, then your church does not have to allow the ceremony.

We all have a right to civil marriage. It is this fundamental truth that will prevail in the inexorable march of human progress.

Posted by: truly1 | March 11, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

@Niamke and other religious folks. Agreeing to disagree is fine, except that in this case, your disagreeing with the idea of same sex marriage adversely affects my ability to protect family. My God created me, a gay man, my partner, a gay man, and blessed us with a beautiful son through an adoption. We are a family no matter what you say or think, but we do not have the same protections as you enjoy because you think my family should not even exist. On the other hand, my disagreeing with you does not adversely affect your family or your religion. Why can't you see this?

What you fail to understand and realize is that we did not choose to be gay- it is who we are and who we will always be regardless of what you think or what your God thinks. Let me say that again WE DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE GAY. It is clear; however, that you made a choice- a choice to be Christian, Catholic, Muslim, whatever religion - that, is a choice. You are not “born” that way – you have to choose to join a particular denomination. And with that choice, you made further choices as to how you want to interpret (and in many cases, ignore) the various passages that are in the Bible (and before interpreting the Bible, you had to choose which of the many versions of the Bible you want to read). By choosing your religion, choosing the specific version of the Bible you read (or claim to read) , and choosing how to interpret the Bible, you then feel that you can take your religion and try to force it upon those who see things differently. In many respects, that’s fine . I choose not to agree with you as I see God in a different light than you do. But again, my disagreeing with you does not affect you in any way. Why can’t you see this?

And why is it that you feel that your religion can trump my religion? Is your religion better than my religion? Is it because there are more than you than us? Don’t we all agree that our government is supposed to steer clear from making laws that benefit one religion over another religion? Why can’t you understand this? With so many bad things happening around the world in the name of religion, can we for once instead of agreeing to disagree, perhaps we can try to learn from eachother, and understand that we simply want to live our lives peacefully, with the same protections you take for granted?

Posted by: NickDC | March 11, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

@B-rod - who wrote:

"And the next time PG county is going up in flames, turn off the water and let it burn down".

So much for all the tolerance and all the peace, love, and understanding you liberals who were for Gay “Marriage” are always preaching. Feel free to call anyone on this blog who feels that the citizens of PG who were against this legislation backward bigots who are not entitled to lobby their state legislators for their point of view, just because it disagrees with yours.

It’s their state too.

Posted by: I_can_see_DCfrommyhouse | March 11, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"Can't people disagree on heartfelt beliefs without hating each other?"

You're talking about a belief that certain people shouldn't be entitled to their choice of marriage partner because of who they are. Imagine if a gay extremist declared that straights shouldn't marry. The principle here is that no one should have that kind of veto power over another. (Assuming that we're talking about consenting adults.) It would seem more logical for opponents of same-sex marriage to simply refuse to enter into such marriages themselves and let other couples make their own choices. Let's keep some perspective - no one is calling for arranged same-sex marriage for straights or anything similarly outrageous.

Posted by: Carstonio | March 11, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Black pastors have in so many cases been the moral voice to an immoral course in American culture. This is not popular, brings opprobrium, and is often misunderstood at the time. Our culture that values each individual making their own moral choices ignores that there are truths that transcend time and that violation of those truths brings consequences. Men were not made for men nor women for women--look at how they are made to see that clearly. Marriage is not made for a dead end to procreation. We must love and treat each other with respect as being created in the image of God but that does not mean that we abandon ourselves to our worst angels in the name of fictitious equality. The pastors who have led this courageous course are, for now, vindicated and I for one hope they continue to lead us--black, white, and Hispanic alike. They are heroes without recognition--for now.

Posted by: rblunt | March 11, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

We need a federal law authorizing same-sex marriage. Then we need to move on to balancing the budget.

Posted by: Maddogg | March 11, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Great post, NickDC. Your child is the real victim of the bigoted governmental policy that says the children of heterosexuals get rights that he/she doesn't.

Posted by: dwaldman | March 11, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

there's not enough hate in the world already? we have to continue to persecute people simply because of the consenting adult they love? I don't care if the bible says it's "wrong." that kind of hate is just wrong.

Posted by: ahhgoosh | March 11, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

If you use your imaginary sky friend as a reason to deny other people equal rights under the law, then you are a bigot. It really is that simple.

Posted by: banderton81 | March 11, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I hate this state. We are progressive in taxes only - none of our social policies are even remotely where they should be.

Shame, shame, shame.

Posted by: reiflame1 | March 11, 2011 5:22 PM | Report abuse

rblunt -- That's a bunch of BS. As if the decline of marriage in the black community is the fault of gays.

Go read your Ten Commandments -- "Thou shalt not bear false witness."

Posted by: dwaldman | March 11, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

if conservative christians want to take marriage as seriously as they say they do, they should take into account this bible passage: "a bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the lord, even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the lord."

what unknown percentage of bible thumpers aren't even official members of their church, because they have an ancestor born out of wedlock some time in the last 300 years? they don't even know it, but their god doesn't want them!

Posted by: tuckerthedog19 | March 11, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

rblunt, you sound just like a white Southerner praising segregationist or anti-abolitionist churches . . . Too bad you don't see the paradox of your own bigotry.

Posted by: pilch62 | March 11, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Quite a number of people who made comments on the issue of marriage, saying that God did not create it. You may want to read the first book of the bible.

Posted by: skinfreak | March 11, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

There is a lot of hate in these comments.

I was surprised the bill made it this far. MD is not that liberal & it would have been political suicide for the PG delegation to go against their constituency & who would they have been representing if they did when they were getting calls 25 to 1 against from their districts?

Posted by: loved1 | March 11, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Please realize that the Democratic Party fully expected us to remain silent while they imposed this atrocity upon us.
Posted by: WallyWutMD
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Wow. Just...wow.

I bet your tone of voice is similar to Southern whites during the Civil War years, complaining about Lincoln and how he favored the "atrocity" of free blacks.

Shame on you. Shame!

Posted by: itsme1 | March 11, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

skinfreak, you must be joking. If one isn't a Christian, the Bible is just another book on the shelf. If one is a serious historian, even if Christian, the Bible is not inerrant. And finally, the Bible has nothing whatsoever to do with CIVIL marriage in the state of Maryland.

Please stop trying to force YOUR religion on people who don't believe in it. Or I'm going to have to sic the Flying Spaghetti Monster and all His Holy Meatballs on you . . .

Posted by: pilch62 | March 11, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

PG County -- the leader in morality.

LOL You'll always be losers.

Posted by: Observer691 | March 11, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I get it. If you don't get what you want, spew hate and anti-religion.

Posted by: MRGB | March 11, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Good for Maryland's stopping the 'gay marriage' nonsense. Marriage is between a man and a woman and has been for centuries. The 'gay' class can enjoy and honor their legal "civil union" conract. And yes, homosexuals, lesbians, etc are indeed a class unto themselves since they seek to advertise and promote their ways which are highly contrary to both good sense and the traditional culture of Western Civilization.

Posted by: IowaLad | March 11, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

The arguments against gay marriage (1) are primarily based on God and religion; (2) purport to say that marriage is about protecting children, while ignoring that he children of gay couples would benefit from legal recognition of their families AND the fact that gay marriage in no way affects the legitimacy or stability of anyone's straight marriage; and (3) are based on "tradition" (i.e., stereotypes about gays and gay families.)

Guess what, people -- that's exactly why the ban on gay marriage is destined for the trash heap of history. It's the beauty of our Constitution that laws must be secular and narrowly tailored to achieve their intended purpose, particularly when targeting a defined minority group that historically has been the target of discrimination.

Posted by: dwaldman | March 11, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

skinfreak -- God might have created the "sacrament of marriage," but he did not created the package of legal rights and responsibilities conferred by the state through "civil marriage." Gay people are not asking for your sacrament, just civil marriage.

Posted by: dwaldman | March 11, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Black folks in PG County got nothing else to worry about than this. Funny. Teenage pregancy? Nah. High school drop out rate? Nah? Drugs & black-on-black homicide? Nah.

Baptist church in PG County:

"The congregation has voted to put a hit on the gays, y'all! (Preacher mops forehead.) Can I get a witness? All right now! I feel the holy ghost!!! (Preacher does a little jig.) Please help the sister who has collapsed due to the excitement of this God-sanctified persecution of the dirty homosexual heathen Satan-worshippers!"

Posted by: TaxiDriver | March 11, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

There has not been a single culture in all of human history (that is in over 50,000 years, folks!) that has embraced a homosexual union as a marriage. And, aside from legalistic ghettos within a few modern cultures, there never will be. Marriage, certainly holy matrimony, is reserved by nature, culture and divinity for the union of men and women.

Posted by: Spiritof761 | March 11, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"There has not been a single culture in all of human history (that is in over 50,000 years, folks!) that has embraced a homosexual union as a marriage."

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That's the beauty of enlightenment and progress. It's coming. I hope you are around to see it. It's really not that scary once you are viewing it from the other side.

Posted by: dwaldman | March 11, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

And Spirit of 1761 -- I'm confused. My Bible indicates that the world is only 5000-6000 years old.

Posted by: dwaldman | March 11, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Spiritof761, the same could be said of women's equality--until the last 30 years or so, there has never been a civilization that didn't treat women as second-class citizens. Your point?

Posted by: pilch62 | March 11, 2011 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Excellent! Now let the voters decide to take this decision out of the hands of the nihilists in 2012. I'm hoping and praying for this.

Posted by: wilsonkeith | March 11, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

It's as if the civil rights motto were rewritten by the black religious leaders as, "Free at last. Free at last. Thank God Almighty that some of us but not all of us are free at last."

And it's wrong. It's just wrong.

Posted by: Asymptote | March 11, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Christians LOVE to tell people what to do in their private lives. Can't resist sticking their big nose into everything. Abortion being an example.

You have to be like the Christians. Can't live your own life. Oh no.

When are you gays gonna stop sinning? You're making baby Jesus cry.

Posted by: TaxiDriver | March 11, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Once again, African Americans have self-stereotyped themselves as being of low intelligence and superstitious.

Posted by: kierrasinclair | March 11, 2011 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Since the Christians want to dictate some laws, how about we institute some Sharia law in Maryland? I mean, Maryland was founded on religious freedom right? So, there should be no problem getting some Muslim laws passed right? This is why religion has no place in civil law. As far as traditional marriage is concerned, seems to me not long ago in Maryland, all you had to do was jump a broomstick---

Posted by: Aimhigh2000 | March 11, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"Maryland House kills same-sex marriage bill"

Good. Best caption I've seen all day. The sanctity of marriage should only be between a man and woman. Thanks Maryland for having the common sense to kill this bill and not giving in..

Posted by: samueljackson | March 11, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Argument #1: "Gay marriage should be illegal because it's against the Bible!!!"

A foolish argument. This country is not founded or governed on strict Biblical principles. The Bible forbids charging interest on loaned money, for instance. We still have the death penalty, still wage war, still allow people to wear clothing of mixed fibers, have outlawed slavery. The book of Leviticus commands churches to sacrifice animals and makes all sorts of physical requirements on who is clean and unclean and should be allowed to enter; I know of no church that still observes those. Why do so many churches allow women to preach when the Bible expressly forbids women from even speaking in church? When even the bastions of Christianity don't observe Biblical laws, why should the rest of us?

Argument #2: "Marriage is about children!"

There are no laws barring marriage between infertile heterosexual couples or senior citizens. Couples can marry and choose to remain childless and nobody questions that. Unless the religious establishment is going to tackle that as well, then saying marriage is about children is hypocritical.

Argument #3: "Marriage has never changed and it shouldn't be changed now!!!"

Until the 1960s, marriage between blacks and whites was illegal in many US states. Here in the US, back in the past, a woman was basically her husband's property, and any money or property she owned or earned automatically became her husband's and she had no say or control (that began to change in the 1800s). No-fault divorce laws reflected social changes; women were no longer expected to be only housekeepers and childcare providers, and men were not expected to be the breadwinners outside the home. Marriage has changed and evolved over time; to say it hasn't only demonstrates that you don't know what you're talking about.

Argument #4: "If gays marry, there won't be any more children!!"

Really? Legalizing gay marriage suddenly means heterosexuals will no longer be able to have children?

Argument #5: "Gay marriage is an offense to the sanctity of traditional marriage!"

For centuries, heterosexuals have had loveless marriages for money or social status; couples marry for citizenship or green cards; infidelity has been rampant for as long as marriage has existed. Divorce rates continue to climb. When a man and woman marry, they are never asked to truly prove their love. In some states, a man and woman can marry on impulse, and divorce at leisure. Heterosexuals have dragged the sanctity of marriage through the mud.

Argument #6: "Gays need to PROVE that homosexuality isn't a choice!!!"

But does any religionist have good hard evidence that it is? Or do they recall when they chose to be straight? Research into the roots of human sexuality is ongoing, but the best evidence is that yes, it's not a choice, it's inborn. Will it ever be conclusively proven? Who knows?

Posted by: Stenbock | March 11, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Well, I've had it. The black people have lost my support in all their efforts and endeavors. All my life I have defended them, fought for their equal rights and opportunities, freedom from hate and this is what they have the gall to do to another group of people. And all in the name of God. How dare they. The blacks have a failed history of marriage and yet they dare to take the high road on this matter. What they should be preaching in the pulpit is do not procreate if you are not married. If you are married, be faithful to your spouse and loving to and supportive of your children. But no, they have to yaketty yak against gays and lesbians. Same sex marriage will have no effect on their marriages. But their own failed attitude about marriage is proved by statistics. I once joined a financial group, CitiCorp whose members were mostly black. You could not go to a meeting without their making some outlandish remark against homosexuality. They are obsessed with it. You gotta wonder. So if any black candidate wants my vote, he will have to prove to me he is something more than black, self interested and homophobic.

Posted by: freespeech7 | March 11, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

The hateful bigoted delegates in Prince Georges County must be removed from office by any means necessary. They must be targeted in 2012.

Posted by: SCOTTSCHMIDTT | March 11, 2011 7:08 PM | Report abuse

And finally, something else...

Two of Christ's most vital teachings...

"Judge not, that ye not be judged."

and

"And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise."

I put this out there, especially to the black churches. You judged gay people. You denied them assistance in seeking civil rights.

Do you want us to oppose you when you want your rights? I guess you do. Remember this, because when you turned your back on us, we will turn our backs on you. And you will go down knowing that you have reaped what you have sown. Why else would you do that? Your Bible says it's not your place to judge, but God's. You've defied your own Bible.

At least do us all a favor and stop calling yourselves "Christian." You know, and we all know, you've turned your back on Christ by violating two of his most essential teachings. Christ also said, "By their fruits ye shall know them" and by this bitter, bigoted fruit, we know you for what you are.

Posted by: Stenbock | March 11, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

To those supporters of same-sex marriage here making veiled threats to withdraw their support of civil rights for blacks, mocking the black church and what they consider to be the speech of blacks, threatening to practice racial bigotry--just where do you think such tactics will get you?

Posted by: bucephalina | March 11, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Freespeech7: "The" black people (the use of that definite article is telling) can do without your support, as they have the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments in support of their rights to equal justice under the law, not to mention a large body of civil-rights legislation. The Supreme Court has yet to recognize homosexuals as a class, let alone a suspect class whose treatment in the law is entitled to the strict scrutiny that racial classifications trigger.

Posted by: bucephalina | March 11, 2011 7:24 PM | Report abuse


As a group, blacks are the most uneducated, delusional, uber-socially conservative religious freaks in the United States.

Posted by: kenk33 | March 11, 2011 7:32 PM | Report abuse

So, bucephalina, your only argument for black civil rights is that they've already been enshrined into law? Are you saying you now don't give a damn about other people's rights because you have yours? I don't agree with the people who are saying they will no longer support civil rights for African Americans, but it does raise the question of why are a people who have been so discriminated against using the same "logic" that was used against them to continue to foster discrimination against another group of Americans . . .

Posted by: pilch62 | March 11, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Illegals are next.

Posted by: slim21 | March 11, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse

There is a certain married black minister at a large Baptist church in Prince Georges County who engages in sex with other men on the downlow. I'm sure there are many gays in Maryland who know exactly to whom I am referring.

This minister has been unusually "quiet" during the marriage equality debate. Perhaps it is time for him to be outed to his church and family.

Posted by: SCOTTSCHMIDTT | March 11, 2011 7:56 PM | Report abuse

It's time for proponents of equality for all Maryland citizens to take their gloves off. I urge you to do everything you can to unseat the delegates whose opposition killed this bill. Please pay special attention to Dels. Alston and Carter who stopped the momentum with their ridiculous prank of highlighting their own special interests.

I urge you to unseat every AfAm, female, or any minority delegate who brought this issue to a halt, but with special emphasis upon black delegates who with their constituents were most vocal! Shame on every one of them!

Don't you wonder how many of these fine, Christian folks in PG County voted for Steny Hoyer in this past election? Why Steny was a co-sponsor of eliminating DADT, is a strong supporter of choice for women, and get this, is a strong advocate for gay rights - hmmm.

Every one of these so-called "democrats" who voted no, citing religion, have in essence decided that there should be no separation of church and state.

A word of advice for proponents, you obviously don't know Maryland very well. It is still very provincial and backward in many areas, southern MD including PG County being the worst. Civil unions with full "marriage" benefits would have passed. No way in h*ll will this bill pass in 2012, not until this nasty, exclusive, bigoted and conservative grip on America is defeated!

Posted by: muldar | March 11, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Great!! Now we can vote out the reps who wanted to ram this through.

Posted by: cleancut77 | March 11, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Religion should have no bearing in deciding to deny two consenting adults the right to marry. I am a heterosexual and a gay couple is not threatening to me. It's sad that many black people are so mindlessly "religious." This is despite the unprecedented amounts of social ills plaguing their community. They were once denied the right to marry out their race, vote, or even marry among themselves. It's just shameful.

Posted by: jab00 | March 11, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse


Its amazing that Representatives from PG County, by far the biggest sh1thole in MD can prevent gay people from having full rights.

Maryland seriously needs to bulldoze PG county and make it into a park.

Posted by: kenk33 | March 11, 2011 8:02 PM | Report abuse


PS- Religious people can take their imaginary god and shove it up their a55.

Posted by: kenk33 | March 11, 2011 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Jeez if you guys can't pull it off in a flaming-liberal State like
Maryland, you're doing something fundamentally wrong. Next time try being less abhorrent and hate-filled when attemping to deal with THE VAST MAJORITY, who already tend to find you odd, if not bizarre. Oh, and lose the sense of entitlement. Just because you're a deviation from the norm doesn't mean the world owes you anything. You want marriage? Then marry someone of the opposite sex like the rest of the freakin' world. Either that or cut your losses and try to enjoy what's left of your life without mucking it up for everyone else. This "same-sex" baloney grows tedious.

Posted by: realist2 | March 11, 2011 8:15 PM | Report abuse

We knew about the ignorant white bigots. Now we are reminded that there are also a lot of ignorant black bigots.

Don't lose heart. The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice.

Posted by: pundito | March 11, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

he gay marriage advocates must be questioning why Delegate Tiffany Alston of Prince Geoges County was a co-sponsor. was she a plant? she held up the bill for a week and that was all the bible thumpers needed. one more weekend to pressure some delegates to back off.

Posted by: wintechsale001 | March 11, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Stomping on a group that only want to recognized as full citizens must feel great. Be proud of yourselves for denying others the same legal protections you take for granted!

Posted by: iheartrocknroll | March 11, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes, indeed - holy matrimony may be reserved, in some churches, for men and women only. Which is fine - in your church, not down at the county courthouse where the non-holy civil marriages happen. If the rest of us promise not to let the government tell you how to run your church, will you promise not to let your church try to run the government?

Posted by: A_Reader | March 11, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Gay marriage is nothing more than gays wanting to be accepted as normal people. As long as there are people who don't think it is normal, gay marriage will be opposed. I believe that the voice of the people will prevail, and I believe that gay marriage will eventually be legalized; I will do all I can to fight it, but I know it will happen when those for it outnumber those against it.
I have compassion for homosexuals; living contrary to God's commandments never brought happiness, and I mourn for that. To the extent they love their neighbors, live as productive citizens, and raise their children well they will be happy, but being gay will not let them be truly happy.

Posted by: bucolucas | March 11, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Why Does Society Ignore The Racism Of The White Gays.... It's pretty evident in some of these comments. Yet you never read in print, listen to news broadcasts, on the radio or television, about white gay racism. Google it...it's one of the dirty little secrets of the CAUCASIAN gay community

Posted by: ptrppr100 | March 11, 2011 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Marriage is a man-made institution and there are millions of married couples in this country who did not have a church based ceremony. Are couples who were married by a judge or ship captain not married? Don't force religion onto the institution of marriage!

Posted by: dcheretic1 | March 11, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Here I sit, a white NoVA woman who has posted here as a conservative against this Gay “Marriage” legislation, and, along with other opponents, been subject to being called “bigoted, backward, out of touch”, etc. and now the vitriolic and racists comments I am reading on here about the hate towards PG Co. and its black community sound like something I’d hear at a KKK rally. You are disgusting.

I’ve had Af. American friends and co-workers who have been very involved in their churches, and believe in traditional values. I am tired of being stereotyped and put into a category based on the color of my skin because maybe I have more in common with them then with you liberal white people who see me, know I am not religious, not Christian.

Thanks, Tiffany A., and the others, for listening to your constituents, that is the way democracy is supposed to work and why we encourage our young people to voice their opinions and call/write/email their legislatures.

Posted by: I_can_see_DCfrommyhouse | March 11, 2011 10:31 PM | Report abuse

It's funny that people are now trying to make gays out to be racist, as if the anti-gay-marriage groups are so perfect and above reproach.

They make a big noise about the Bible and obeying Biblical laws. But there are tons of Biblical laws that they ignore. It's only when it's other people's lives that the Bible matters. Why aren't more churches barring preachers who wear glasses, according to Biblical laws? Why don't more churches bar women from teaching and speaking, as the Bible commands? Do you really expect us to obey Biblical laws when you don't even hold yourselves up to those standards? Don't you realize you've become the very hypocrites and Pharisees that Jesus railed against?

What about gay marriage is a threat to you? You don't want someone to do something you don't like? What do you have against freedom? Do you think that keeping gays from marrying will somehow fix the mess that heterosexuals have made of marriage over the last thousand years?

Why have so many "Christian" churches turned against Christ's teachings, such as treating others as we would have them treat us? Or not judging others, and just showing love? Would Christ want you to walk around looking down at others, feeling sorry for them, placing yourself above them as some sort of religious elite?

Folks sneer at how "hateful" the liberals and gays are...I say, don't confuse anger and outrage with active hatred. Many a thing is said in the heat of the moment that is later regretted; I'm sure you've done it yourself. At the same time, don't be smug and complacent; you may have won one victory, but nothing lasts forever. Those who opposed mixed-race marriage won many small victories until that was overturned in the 60s.

Earlier this evening I hoped that liberals and gays would turn their backs on the churches and other groups when they needed someone to stand up for them...but now I realize that's vindictive and petty.

Now, I call on liberals and gays everywhere to fight for civil rights for EVERYONE, no matter their belief or skin color. You have to admit, that's a better revenge; you'll look in your children's eyes and know that they'll have rights secured for them by the very people you rejected and despised...and then you'll look in the mirror and see the person who turned their back on someone who helped them. And THAT will be a far more effective punishment. Nothing worse than being in debt to the person you abhor, right? And realizing how someone you hated was willing to take a stand for someone who hated them, which was more than you ever did.....

Posted by: Stenbock | March 11, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse

@charlie-Imac, who posted the following on March 11, 2011 4:31 PM:


“Time for gays to wake up to the fact that black churches as are not going to back gay rights. Blacks killed gay marriage in Virginia. “
Posted by: charlie-Imac | March 11, 2011 4:31 PM

@Charlie,

Do you even know which state’s legislation was defeated today on Gay “Marriage”? Are you a Gay Activist from some other part of country planted as an internet Troll? I’ve been wondering all along why these W. Post web comments on this issue were so one-sided when I have friends in MD who were opposed to this. I would have expected a mixed posting (Maryland is liberal, yes), but it has occurred to me to wonder why these blog comments on the W. Post site were extremely one-sided.


Full Disclosure: I live in the DC area and have a full subscription to the W. Post actual paper and follow local and other news on a wide variety of issues, I am not a plant.

Posted by: I_can_see_DCfrommyhouse | March 11, 2011 11:15 PM | Report abuse

To ICanSeeDCfromMyHouse: It's funny that you should complain about other people's bigotry while justifying your own. You and your friends ARE bigots, in that you want to impose the rules of YOUR religion on people who don't follow it, and you want to keep gay people second class citizens. Of course, as a woman, not all that long ago you wouldn't be allowed to join most important business clubs or be more than a secretary or even vote. But now that lots of brave people, men and women, have worked to see that you and women like you have full civil rights, you're going to turn around and plant your foot squarely on the neck of gay people. Brava!!! You are not only a bigot, you are a hypocrite--and yet if I were to tell you to shut up, get back to the kitchen, and keep your nose out of men's business (which is sexist equivalent of what you're telling gay people to do), you'd have a tizzy. The lack of understanding of people like you sometimes boggles my mind . . .

Posted by: pilch62 | March 11, 2011 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone on this blog thought that if this bill was put to a vote and passed, that MD opponents would then be able to put it to a referendum (thanks to a state law), where it would then be defeated? If even liberal CA defeated it, what do you think? Political Suicide Maybe?

That would cost taxpayers more and bog things down and be a distraction from many other pending issues.

Posted by: I_can_see_DCfrommyhouse | March 11, 2011 11:49 PM | Report abuse

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