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George Bush on the legality of torture

By Ann Telnaes

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Copyright: Ann Telnaes | Original published date: 10/26/2005

By Ann Telnaes  | November 10, 2010; 12:00 AM ET
 
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George and his lawyers are responsible for backing us into the dark ages.
Since "then" the "now" has crumbled into the pits of hell with no end of divisiveness, corruption and greed in sight.

Posted by: OckamsRazor | November 10, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi approved the same techniques in Sep 2002 when she received a 1 hour tour of an advanced interrogation facility and didn't say anything about it until 2009 when she threw Patriots under the bus to save her own face from being chewed off by her fellow libs. Check out the 2007 Wash Po story on the topic.

Posted by: jornolibist | November 10, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Chutzpah redefined: Bush's apologia for his administration. Look up "apologia". It doesn't mean "apology" as in "I'm sorry".
Nooooooo! This ignorant and uncultured draft dodger who stole the Presidency doesn't feel he has anything to apologize for. He'll probably die in his bed at 80, while the young men and women he sent to their horrible deaths sleep on eternally. And the ones who survive plod on through a wrecked existence. And they claim there is a "god". Tfui!

Posted by: hypatia08 | November 10, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

One more thing - - for those who keep saying that it's "time to move on" re: Bush Bashing....

It AIN'T time to move on until he and his cronies are tried as War Criminals in Geneva!
THAT is a fact!

I for one am furious that he has gotten clean away after destroying a nation that had NOTHING to do with 9/11, and CAUSING the death and maiming of thousands of people who were better humans that HE! - -Let alone the damage that he did to the USA!

Now the GOP is planning to try to impeach Obama, like they did Clinton. Geeze!
Madness!

Posted by: lufrank1 | November 10, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Geeze! allenridge !
"Thank You President Bush for saving lifes........lifes that Ann couldn't care about in her rich self-serving liberal/progressive world........sad.
????????????????????????????????????????

5,400+ dead us troops in Iraq, tens of thousands of them maimed, some uncounted hundred thousand or so Iraqi men women and CHILDREN killed because BUSH wanted to parade as a big Commander in Chief in a Flight suit, and shout "Mission Accomplished"? As more and more troops and civilians are maimed and killed in Afghanistan - YOU ACTUALLY "THANK" the self-serving WAR CRIMINAL who set it in motion?
MADNESS!
P.S. it's "lives"
Also, I'm a Liberal, Progressive VET . . .What's your history?

Posted by: lufrank1 | November 10, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Reading the conservative view in these posts i.e. in order to “protect” 300 million, making someone believe they are drowning is ok, of course. This logic then extends to anything the Nazis did to protect 80 million was legal under their laws. Their problem of course was, they called themselves the national socialist workers party, whereas if they called themselves the national conservatives workers party there wouldn’t have been any postwar trials, because conservatives can never do anything bad.

Posted by: unoiamrite | November 10, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Who told him? Cheney, of course!

Posted by: donnasaggia | November 10, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"I love the animations, but George Bush? We really need to move on."

Posted by: Jack83 | November 10, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Ah, were it so simple, Jack83, my boy.

But first of all, Republicans ran against Bill Clinton from 1996 to 2008, literally blaming EVERYTHING that happened under Bush...on Clinton.

And the damage Bush did to our country is so monumental and pervasive that we actually may NEVER recover.

Of course, it's hard to take Bush seriously on any leve. The average chimpanzee has more intellect than George W. (Jesus told me to torture) Bush.

Posted by: jjedif | November 10, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Yawn.

Bush bashing is so very 2008.

Posted by: Wiggan | November 10, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

That was funny. Should have had Dick Cheney holding the dog's leash since it was his crony who ok'd the waterboarding.

Posted by: kchses1 | November 10, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm guessing that one of Bush's de facto national security advisors (either Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh) explained to Bush that torture and other war crimes aren't really crimes.

Posted by: jjedif | November 10, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I love the animations, but George Bush? We really need to move on.

Posted by: Jack83 | November 10, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Ann........saw your picture and you sure look like a rich liberal/progressive.....Does the POST hire Conservatives, Ann ?

btw Ann only the self-righteous liberal/progressives and the socialists in our United Nations called it "torture". So thanks for the liberal/progressive/socialist point-of-view......a minority point-of-view at that.

Thank You President Bush for saving lifes........lifes that Ann couldn't care about in her rich self-serving liberal/progressive world........sad.

Posted by: allenridge | November 10, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Saying something is legal does not make it so! That is why courts are established. His advisors told him what he wanted to hear and thus gave him an excuse to do what he wanted to do. That goes for the war in Iraq and many of his other lame ideas.

Posted by: MyVoice3 | November 10, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"HAVE YOU WATERBOARDED A LIBERAL TODAY?"

Posted by: LibFreeUSA2010 | November 10, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"anything is legal to protect 300mil. people
Posted by: kent890 | November 10, 2010 4:25 AM | Report abuse "

it appears ann doesn't think so...
she won't even take the blame for letting our enemies use our laws against us...

Posted by: DwightCollins | November 10, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

"The show 24. And all the people who think the world is just like 24 and therefore discount the research showing that torture is actually ineffective.

Posted by: sarahabc | November 10, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse "

not all the times...
if they lie, and we verify that they lied...
well, this little piggie went bye bye...

Posted by: DwightCollins | November 10, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

and you don't hire primate lawyers who either owe their entire career to you having hired them (e.g., gonzalez) or who everyone recognizes practice a "scholarship" suggesting that the founders really meant that the president had unlimited powers (that's right, tea baggers -- pay attention now because they don't teach this at beck u). yeah, yoo and bybee and the other lawyer hacks at olc first determined that the presdident had unlimited powers (kinda like a king) and the vice presidcent existed in his own ad hoc constitutional dimension and from this jumping off point then confirmed for their insistent clients who asked their legal opinion on previously determined techniques of torture such as water boarding, belly slapping, wall boarding/head banging, slapping, sleep deprivation, freezing cells that restrict movement, menacing detainees with dogs -- that these, laws and treaties (these are laws, too, constitutionalists) that everyone agrees bar the very torture techniques "authorized" by the lawyer-ideologues were (i) unconstitutional, but (ii) were actually legal now under u.s. law. not now, but then, because the memos have been repudiated (by bush in 2003). this dude forgets a lot. but seriously, dude, answer the question -- are captured americans subject to these kinds of interrogation by our enemies? did you think about this then? did you ask the lawyers for their "opinion" on this question? you really are smug for an idiot.

Posted by: joeblow111 | November 10, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

The show 24. And all the people who think the world is just like 24 and therefore discount the research showing that torture is actually ineffective.

Posted by: sarahabc | November 10, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

under sharia law, you would be killed for doing what you do...
under sharia law, women are possessions not people...

Posted by: DwightCollins | November 10, 2010 5:58 AM | Report abuse

I believe that would be Woo and Gonzalez and a select few others.

Posted by: StopTheHate109 | November 10, 2010 5:44 AM | Report abuse

There is no evidence that American torture produced any useful information that would keep anyone safe. If there were any, it would be widely published. Simply that all records have been destroyed, argues strongly that nothing of value was obtained There is also ample evidence that most torturers blighted their own lives in the process. And of course, the United States is now accepted world wide as a Rogue State with a deeply corrupted Justice System. What goes around comes around.

Posted by: hamelinfish | November 10, 2010 5:22 AM | Report abuse

anything is legal to protect 300mil. people

Posted by: kent890 | November 10, 2010 4:25 AM | Report abuse

Have another beer, "billy"! It'll clear things up for you a little bit!

Posted by: Maerzie | November 9, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

My computer screen must be acting up is this an animation with the words democrat party on the guy wearing the suit and the name telnaes on the obedient panting dog?

Posted by: billybeer6 | November 9, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

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