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Posted at 11:17 AM ET, 05/12/2010

In Arizona, bad ethnic studies bill becomes law

By Valerie Strauss

If you think that Arizona state government officials would have something better to do with their time than to go after an ethnic studies program that they don’t like, you’d be wrong.

The governor, Jan Brewer, has signed into law a bill that was passed because the state superintendent of public instruction, Tom Horne, who happens to be running for attorney general, dislikes a Mexican-American studies program in Tucson Unified School District that allows students to learn in history and literature courses about how particular ethnic groups influenced history, the Associated Press reported.

The bill, about which I wrote last week, prohibits any classes that:

* Promote the overthrow of the United States government.
* Promote resentment toward a race or class of people.
* Are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group.
* Advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals.

The first two points are ringers, of course, for Horne’s real problem: According to the Associated Press, Horne has wanted to limit the program since he learned several years ago that Hispanic civil right activist Dolores Herta told Tucson high school students that “Republicans hate Latinos.”

The governor signed the bill just after six United Nations human rights experts released a statement saying they had concerns about the measure and noted that all people have a right to learn about their own cultural and linguistic heritage.

Of course, the United Nations’ record on human rights is not exactly exemplary, given that the United Nations Commission on Human Rights has included member states with abhorrent human rights records, including China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Syria, Libya, and, in 2004, Sudan, whose election to the panel sparked the walkout of the United States ambassador.

But on this issue, the U.N. experts have it right.

The Tucson Unified School District program offers specialized courses in African-American, Mexican-American and Native-American studies that focus on history and literature and include information about the influence of a particular ethnic group, the Associated Press reports.

District officials say the program only provides historical information. In the Mexican-American Studies program, an American history course explores the role of Hispanics in the Vietnam War, and a literature course emphasizes Latino authors. The kids learn, for example, that Arizona was once part of Mexico, and that in the 1960s Chicano radicals called for reclaiming the land.

Subversive stuff, that.

By itself, this move is one small-minded bill that pretends to be about education but is all about politics.

The problem is that it isn’t the only one. Legislators in many states seem intent on dictating to educators how to do their jobs, even though the lawmakers don’t really have a clue.

We tried this once before, in a big law called No Child Left Behind, which was designed with the input of not a single teacher, and which spectacularly failed in its goal to close the achievement gap.

We never seem to learn from our own mistakes. How do we expect kids to do that if the adults can’t get it right?

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By Valerie Strauss  | May 12, 2010; 11:17 AM ET
Categories:  Learning, Teachers  | Tags:  arizona governor signs bill, arizona law, brewer signs bill, ethnics studies and arizona, ethnics studies program and arizona, tuscon ethnics studies  
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...just so they don't have a course about "whites"....because all "white" people hate Mexicans

Posted by: anderson2 | May 12, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I thought we were all Americans. I don't see anything in the constitution about American sub-groups. We are one nation. Why teach something different?

Posted by: wjc1va | May 12, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse


There goes "Black History Month" in Ariz...


Posted by: demtse | May 12, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

So the author doesn't have a problem with a course that promote the overthrow of the United States government or promotes resentment toward a race or class of people.??? Where have you been? I think it's time to prevent these people from taking advantage of our liberites..don't you? Those people in arizona should receive medals for standing up to illegals in this country who drain our social services, hospitals, and demand that we adapt to them!!

Posted by: mark0004 | May 12, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

There are several problems with the school teachers and what they present to the students. First off let me say that most teachers are left wing Democrats with very liberal thinking. I am a teacher who is in the minority since I am a right wing conservative. I do believe that we need to teach children facts without our personal beliefs which is hard to do if you really believe in what you are teaching. Meterial must be presented in a neutral fashion so that the student and his/her parents can decide how it best fits into their belief.
We all come to the school from different back grounds and with different beliefs, and it is our free society which should respect and encourage our different views of life. The best things in life come from different views that are melted together like eutechtic in metalurgy which means that the product of the two parent materials is better than either of the parents. As far as what the Government is doing or not doing is a matter of forcing us to believe their way and vote them into office, so that they can continue to control us because they are soooooooo much smarter then we are. Amen, pass the amunition!

Posted by: viejo70 | May 12, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

It's Game Over for funding a host of criminal programs designed to Balkanize the United States. Finish the Wall, and use the remaining materials to build another one around D.C.

Posted by: s3tthunderbolt99 | May 12, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Sure we have courses that exemplify white contributions to American history and culture. They're known commonly as "regular history classes" and "regular literature classes."

That said, I'd prefer to see "regular" classes better integrated, rather than having the [ethnic group] studies segregated to separate courses.

Posted by: dkp01 | May 12, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I guess they'll have to cancel all of the Civil War classes. That is about nothing but the overthrow of the United States Government, as much as some people want to forget that part.

Posted by: EricS2 | May 12, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

This is America. Which means that any persons living in this country who are not American Indian, are descendants of immigrants. It doesn't have to say anything in the constitution about this nation being a melting pot for that to be true. What on earth is the point of the Statue of Liberty, if you're going to make that argument? The instant people get here they have to forget where they come from? Why should that be necessary??

And this bill is also preventing Native American history classes....so not only have we been subjugated for hundreds of years, but now we can't even learn our own history. Boy, that makes a lot of sense. We sure are "illegals in this country who drain our social services, hospitals, and demand that we adapt to them." You're right. That makes sense...

Posted by: rebeccadavis | May 12, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Considering out of 4 residents none are Arizona, I don't see what possibly gives you a right to judge what the citizens of Arizona have hired their elected officials to do.

If you don't like it that much, move to AZ and vote.

Posted by: antiprogressive | May 12, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Woops, meant residences.

Posted by: antiprogressive | May 12, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

The author of this piece condemns the "politics" of this bill because it's not her politics. To start with, how about English as a first language. No, that would be demeaning and would alienate the (mostly illegal or anchor baby) immigrants from their right to a cultural identity. Face it, the only thing "The Answer Sheet" will support is total amnesty for the illegal invaders. No sympathy for the problems this horde has created for the state of Arizona...no real answers or suggestions. Hmmm, sounds like she's a card carrying member of that dastardly party of "NO" the liberals love to parrott about. But that also describes the Federal Government when it comes to protecting our border and enforcing immigration laws already on the books (which the AZ law merely endorses). NO! After reading this I understand a bit better why the U.S. holds down such a mediocre spot in world-wide educational prowess, AND WHY LITTLE OR NO PROGRESS IS BEING MADE ON RESOLVING THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION PROBLEM THE WAY IT SHOULD BE RESOLVED. NO RECONQUESTA!!!

Posted by: ddnfla | May 12, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Cant' spell, can't handle math, don't know a damn thing about science but let's make sure they know their heritage - you know, the one they just left behind because it sucked.

Posted by: Bcamp55 | May 12, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The author of this piece condemns the "politics" of this bill because it's not her politics. To start with, how about English as a first language. No, that would be demeaning and would alienate the (mostly illegal or anchor baby) immigrants from their right to a cultural identity. Face it, the only thing "The Answer Sheet" will support is total amnesty for the illegal invaders. No sympathy for the problems this horde has created for the state of Arizona...no real answers or suggestions. Hmmm, sounds like she's a card carrying member of that dastardly party of "NO" the liberals love to parrott about. But that also describes the Federal Government when it comes to protecting our border and enforcing immigration laws already on the books (which the AZ law merely endorses). NO! After reading this I understand a bit better why the U.S. holds down such a mediocre spot in world-wide educational prowess, AND WHY LITTLE OR NO PROGRESS IS BEING MADE ON RESOLVING THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION PROBLEM THE WAY IT SHOULD BE RESOLVED. NO RECONQUISTA!!!

Posted by: ddnfla | May 12, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

What is even more amazing is the media has so much time and media space to pounce on an elective class (funded by the taxpayers) while English literacy in the school system is woefully lacking.

When the kids in the American public school system learn to read and write, they can go to the library or book stores and selet all the books they want on topics of their choice.

Posted by: asmith1 | May 12, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

The next bill in "Greater AZ Land" will require all Juden to wear the Star of David on the left elbow whenever in public and that all Juden business must be "resettled" in the east, i.e., Miami Beach, Florida.

Posted by: pookiecat | May 12, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Considering out of 4 residents none are Arizona, I don't see what possibly gives you a right to judge what the citizens of Arizona have hired their elected officials to do.

If you don't like it that much, move to AZ and vote.

Posted by: antiprogressive
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Actually I think a lot of us admire AZ for passing this legislation and wish our states would follow the lead. We know for certain that the federal government isn't going to do anything to resolve the real problem - or even implement existing law. AZ listened to the citizens; Washington hasn't.

Posted by: tnvret | May 12, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

If education did a better job integrating the lessons of our history, including other ethnic groups, there wouldn't be a need to learn in separate ethnic studies classes. Still, a legislator preventing schools from educating their classes on just about anything seems crazy (except maybe bombmaking).

Posted by: bperk420 | May 12, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with people learning about their culture. I do have a problem paying for these specialized classes with tax dollars. In these economic times, with people losing their jobs, the school systems keep increasing their budgets. School budgets need to pay for the standard education which applies to everyone. If you want to learn about your culture then pay for this yourself, search the internet (free at public libraries), check out books at the library, buy a book, seek a tribal elder, your priest, outside private educational resources, talk to your grandparents or other family elders. Schools need to get back to teaching the basics. There are a lot of students that have to take college remedial classes before they can actually enroll in a college class. They are below college level in english and/or math.

Posted by: LGGC | May 12, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

TO REITERATE A POINT;

PROFILING IS NOT RACISM , IT IS A PROCEDURE TOOL

PROFILING?...WHO?....who cannot handle this one?

ACTUALLY, THERE IS NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH PROFILING OF ANY KIND...in simple terms,...if a lion attack the livestock, the farmer should not be looking for a fish in a pond....even a caveman understand this one....correct on this?

THIS FLACID CLAIM OF '..."I AM OFFENDED FOR I LOOK HISPANIC...etc.etc..." ...THAT COMPLAINT IS NOT A VALID ONE...NO MATTER HOW MUCH NOISE ANYONE WANT TO GENERATE OVER THIS.

WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THAT THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT,... AND WHOEVER SUPPORT THEM,... ARE LOOKING (AND TRYING TO USE THAT) AS PRETEXT / EXCUSE / JUSTIFICATION FOR TO PERPETUATE BRAKING THE FEDERAL IMMIGRATIONAL LAW...

A LAW THAT THE CORRUPTED OBAMA GANG FAILS TO ADDRESS PROPERLY BECAUSE THIS THING ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT MEANS A 'TRAMPOLIN' TO ADQUIRE FICTICIOUS / ARTIFICIAL VOTES FOR THE 2010 MID-TERM ELECTIONS AND THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

ARIZONA ,...(AND SOON OTHERS STATES) ARE PROTECTING THE LIGITIMATE USA CITIZENS AND USA LEGAL RESIDENTS.

We all are big boys and girls here ,....and this can easily be understood using only about TWO NEURONS,...AND THE REST OF THE BRAIN ON 'STAND-BY'

So , once more - (and better is FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND VERY WELL AND CRYSTAL CLEAR!) - PROFILING IS NOT RACISM...PROFILING IS A PROCEDURE TOOL...AND IS VERY VERY NESCESSARY.

So, again, WE ALL ARE BIG BOYS AND GIRLS ...so we should be able to handle it.

Live with it.

Daniel Cabrera
Merrillville,Indiana

Posted by: morcab | May 12, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

If you ain't white, you ain't right.

Posted by: jckdoors | May 12, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

It makes sense to ban these types of racist degrees and it's fair to the Hispanic community.

Posted by: economy48 | May 12, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Yet another reason to boycott this backward state. Keep up the hate AZ!

Posted by: Observer001 | May 12, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this article reflect the real sentiment underlying the reactionary public policy of Arizona. Too many so called Americans prefer to forget the real history of this country in favor of the white washed (no pun intended) patriotic pablum fed the masses.

Posted by: SolutionOriented | May 12, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like this law is meant to target Racism. But just as most Democrats have shown, they are only against Racism against certain portions of the population, and promote it against others. Progressive Democrats are the most racist group of people in the U.S.A today.

With progressive democrats you get a job because of your race and not because you are the most qualified, awhile if you are from the wrong democraphic group, you get persecuted, regardless that you would do a better job than the racist quota system canidates could ever do.

Obama is a DISGRACE, and most Americans now know it.

Posted by: ignoranceisbliss | May 12, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

You cant pick and choose which parts of your history you want to teach, no country can. I think everyone needs to be taught about the abuses different races have suffered so that they are not ignorant enough to repeat it.

Posted by: blitzerboy9819 | May 12, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

That should put the kibosh on hebrew schools and christian academies.

Posted by: whocares666 | May 12, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

iroquois parents taught their ethnic children how to torture captives with embers, sticks, rocks, and fire.

Posted by: therapy | May 12, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Okay, here's the real solution:

Scrap EVERYTHING and replace it with ONLY Native American Studies.

After all, that would reflect the true, pure American culture, without any bias towards immigrant groups.

Posted by: dkp01 | May 12, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

So is the author trying to say they do not like the US Constitution, and do not want States to actually implement rules in their public service dole that adhere to it?

That is all the Arizona law says.
It will not let public dole go to race division and hate creation.


Dumb as a brick for the comment not to see that.

Posted by: dottydo | May 12, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The Bill prohibits nothing.

There are no classes in the TUSD that advocate the overthrow of the U.S.

At worst, 10% od state funding would be withheld.

At the worst, no class would be prohibited.

Posted by: etronsen | May 12, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Sooooooooooooooo when does Obama finally decide to go to Arizona and remaind them they are part of the US? But then he wold have to prove citizenship.

Posted by: KBlit | May 12, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

So is the author trying to say they do not like the US Constitution, and do not want States to actually implement rules in their public service dole that adhere to it?

That is all the Arizona law says.
It will not let public dole go to race division and hate creation.


Dumb as a brick for the comment not to see that.

Posted by: dottydo | May 12, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Alright so this bill that was passed and made a law sounds like something familiar...?

This law prohibits any classes that are designed for pupils of a particular ethnic group? Yes, the class is designed to teach ABOUT a particular ethnic group but how is that different from any other class that teaches any other thing. As far as I know, no one is being told not to attend the class because they are not latino...is it their fault that whites may not be interested in learning about latino influence?

If history classes are not teaching about how Native Americans influenced American history then what is the point?

And as far as the Hispanic civil rights activist who told students that "republicans hate Latinos"...if the governor is worried about bad publicity among the Latino community, I'm sure this bill prohibiting their classes will change their minds...honestly people.honestly.

Posted by: ethioprincess245 | May 12, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

yeah, where could those california latinos students have gotten the idea that its offensive to wear an american flag t shirt on "cinco de mayonaise"?

as long as our educator class has a radically different value system than the public at large, legislators will have to continue "butting it", which is what this moronic WaPo.com bloggers intimates this law amounts to.

Posted by: dummypants | May 12, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

might want to correct the lede to your post - it's "ethnic" not "ethic" - although some courses are offered in ethics and I hope the Arizona legislature doesn't try to prohibit that, too.

Even if a course of study - any course of study - were silly or even harmful, the legislature has no place getting involved in academic freedom. Amazing.

Posted by: jay4811 | May 12, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

There's absolutely nothing wrong with African-American literature or Hispanic-American history classes. The fact is that kids tend to be more interested in a subject when they can relate to it. What difference does it make if they're reading a novel by W.E.B. DuBois or a novel by Mark Twain in 11th grade, as long as they're reading and learning how to analyze a piece of literature. Maybe the average Hispanic kid could care less about the Vietnam War -- until he learns about the Hispanic soldier only a few years older than he who earned a Silver Star during the Tet Offensive. Then that high school kid becomes inspired to learn more about Vietnam and how we got there.

It's painfully obvious to me that the anti posters on this comment thread are intellectually lazy and dangerously close to being outright bigots. I feel sorry for them and their narrow little lives.

Posted by: 7900rmc | May 12, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

at some point, a culture and a nation has to take a stand against the corrosion of social cohension. in theory, these clases wouldnt be objectionable on their face. but we're talking about the reality of 21st century america where people marching for the privilege to become a US citizen openly wave flags from other countries without shame. if latinos were not so homogenous in their political beliefs, linguistic bankground and socio-economic station, maybe the threat wouldnt be so grave. you have to deal with reality of this country coming apart at seems because certain groups seem aggrieved at white people who have only improved there lives on balance.

the source of racial resentment have to be snuffed about in the crib.

Posted by: dummypants | May 12, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

There's absolutely nothing wrong with African-American literature or Hispanic-American history classes. The fact is that kids tend to be more interested in a subject when they can relate to it.
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if you're more interested in being mexican or african than there's a perfect place to do either of those things.

Posted by: dummypants | May 12, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

ALL OF OUR KIDS NEED TO BE IN CLASSES TOGETHER, AND LEARNING TOGETHER. IF THESE ETHNIC PEOPLE WANT TO LEARN OF THEIR ANCESTRY, THEIR PARENTS CAN TEACH THEM.
WE DO NOT NEED OUR SCHOOLS TO PROFILE THESE GROUPS, AND SEPARATE OUR YOUNG STUDENTS FROM ONE ANOTHER.
OUR SCHOOLS, AND TEACHERS NEED TO STAY OUT OF POLITICS.

Posted by: GEEMAN101 | May 12, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

It's a wonder ethnic studies courses for Hispanics doesn't drive em crazy. Most Hispanics being of mixed ancestry of Native American and Spanish, are they taught to identify with the oppressed or the oppressor?

Posted by: slim2 | May 12, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this a breath of sanity. Laws like this could stop the Balkanization of America.

In New York City, our public school system has created a Muslim academy. I know this sounds unbelievable, but it is true. I couldn't make up something this unbelievable.

Posted by: concernedcitizen3 | May 12, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Small minded? Where is the WaPo report on the school in Illinois that will not allow their basketball team to attend a national tournament in AZ because the school officials have taken a political stand against the AZ immigration law? These girls worked and saved their own money to attend this tournament. Should schools be involved in national politics?

I believe that schools should offer a limited amount of ethnic history course, but with groundrules and not just a select few groups. If a known radical is invited with the intent to incite, that program should be reevaluated. There have been many ethnic infractions in the U.S. Hopefully, we've learned from our mistakes.
Let there be no mistake here. This is the United States. If you don't like our flag, get out.

Posted by: bethg1841 | May 12, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Good for Arizona! Why have separate classes for specific ethnic groups? Isn't that racist? This country was founded by white Europeans, and that is the history all U.S. kids (citizens, that is) should be learning. All this hand-wringing by journalists over the AZ law, but the majority of Americans support it.

Posted by: retabroad | May 12, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Even if a course of study - any course of study - were silly or even harmful, the legislature has no place getting involved in academic freedom. Amazing.
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well, you obviously are not familiar with the first thing about state police powers. im not going to bother to explain it to you. google is a useful tool though. I do wonder, however, whether you are at least consistent and support dismantling the US deperatment of education.

the bottom line is academic freedom is not the point of public primary or secondary education. otherwise kids could have the academic freedom to drop out whenever they wished. in fact, they dont. they make you go to school and they ultimately get to decide what you learn.

i bet mexican schools are good at mexican history though.

Posted by: dummypants | May 12, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

As a parent who has had two of three children attend TUSD schools, it is my opinion that the district works hard to engage, motivate and inspire students. Ethnic studies builds self esteem and encourages students to work harder on core academic skills.

The right wing politics of our state is reflected in many ways. Not the least of which is that we rank last among states with respect to funding for public education.

The absence of Janet Napolitano as governor has created a political vacum in Arizona. Recently passed laws allow citizens to carry concealed and unconcealed weapons. It is not uncommon to see idiots walking around grocery stores carrying handguns. In the mean time, Arizona government has no clue about how to resolve the state budget crisis, other than to cut services. The combination of madmen in the state legislator and senators McCain and Kyle has made Arizona a backwards state and an embarrassment to the nation.

Posted by: angrob | May 12, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

look what the wingnuts have done for us .. or to us. It's either the empty calories of the self-esteem based education espoused by the liberals or the empty head creationist education espoused by the conservatives.

We've let the freaks run the store for too long. If you're afraid to complain about your political party when it's wrong because you're too worried it might look like you agree with the other party, then YOU are to blame for all this.

Posted by: barferio | May 12, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Good for Arizona! Why have separate classes for specific ethnic groups? Isn't that racist? This country was founded by white Europeans, and that is the history all U.S. kids (citizens, that is) should be learning. All this hand-wringing by journalists over the AZ law, but the majority of Americans support it.
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bottom line: 70% of americans are tried of multicultural agenda BS. we need one cultural in the US. people can do whatever they want in the own time, but at public schools, the balkanization of our body politic cannot be abetted.

Posted by: dummypants | May 12, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Careful, right-wingers! "promote resentment", "for pupils of a particular ethnic group"--
the Tea Party movement won't be allowed as a topic of class discussion by those criteria either.

Posted by: merkytimes | May 12, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Ethnic studies builds self esteem and encourages students to work harder on core academic skills.
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and makes them brown supremacists.

Posted by: dummypants | May 12, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

What a pathetic piece of pseudo-journalism.
Public monies should not be used to advocate sedition, or to practice racist viewpoints. Yet somehow the author of this piece of slop concludes they should.
Stay in D.C., where enlightened viewpoints like yours have given rise to the excellent public education system they enjoy there.
Oh, wait....

Posted by: OttoDog | May 12, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Historically and, to some extent, during recent history, the United States has hardly had an exemplary human rights record either at home or especially in its frequently militaristic foreign policies.

This columnists does not indicate whether the Arizona law prohibits ethnic studies classes only at the secondary level or also in colleges and universities, where ethnic studies classes are relatively widespread.

The controversial Arizona illegal immigration bill had its origins in the failure of a coherent, consistent federal immigration policy. Banning ethnic studies classes is simply based on prejudice and having limited cultural understanding.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | May 12, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

If a known radical is invited with the intent to incite, that program should be reevaluated. There have been many ethnic infractions in the U.S. Hopefully, we've learned from our mistakes.
Let there be no mistake here. This is the United States. If you don't like our flag, get out.
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exactly, as if the KKK was brought in to talk to European History classes.

Posted by: dummypants | May 12, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Over 100 years later and still just the right thing to say:

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

I am a large part Cherokee, but I would never call myself "Native" American. I am simply an American. Get rid of all of the pre-American labels. No more African-American, Mexican-American, Green-American, etc...

Posted by: ericroks | May 12, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

The controversial Arizona illegal immigration bill had its origins in the failure of a coherent, consistent federal immigration policy. Banning ethnic studies classes is simply based on prejudice and having limited cultural understanding.
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oh yeah, if only we udnerstood mexico and africa we'd want to waste our pupils' time and study them more. right.

Posted by: dummypants | May 12, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Of course. More deliberately biased reporting about Arizona. According to the AP story I read yesterday, the district said it believes all its classes conform to the new law, and do so without any change. So, much ado about nothing. Except that this author has chosen to offer deliberate deception instead of journalistic reporting. Who was "targeted" if all current classes conform?

The worst thing that could be said of the law as passed, is that if no one is in violation, or has been, then it is superfluous. But that is not the criticism we will see anywhere in what is called the MSM. And clearly that is not the opinion of this media hack.

Posted by: infuse | May 12, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37131.html#commentsform

Posted by: hared | May 12, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

The fuzziness of the law suggests that it is really just a "feel-good" measure, probably designed to wind up support among a political base. Who can tell when a course crosses the line from teaching what happened in history to promoting resentment etc? Does teaching about WWII promote resentment of German or Japanese people?

It's just political pandering disguised as policy. Let me know when this and the previously enacted law solve all of Arizona's immigration issues.

Perhaps Arizona should pass a law banning all LAWS which promote resentment and racial divisions.

Posted by: writinron | May 12, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't they also have a special program that contained courses focused solely on European-American studies where they discuss things like hate-crimes committed against whites that go unprosecuted and the economic slavery of whites who are forced to support a largely minority underclass? Wouldn't that be the same thing? Oh yeah, that would be racist under the double-standard that guides the thinking of most minorities. They rally behind the idea of EQUAL TREATMENT...... eeeexcept when they don't like something or when something benefits them, then it's perfectly acceptable to discriminate, like entrance quotas for college based on race for example. Glad to see the majority is finally waking up. LET THE BACKLASH BEGIN!! or should I say continue!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! You asked for it, you got it!!!


Posted by: savethepcbs | May 12, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Since the state I live in has very well defined core requirements, I don't agree that the state has no business getting involved. However, unless these courses replace the core curriculum for those taking them, I don't see why they are so objectionable. It's certainly less radical than trying to rescript an entire curriculum to make sure no particular group is slighted. In fact, nearly every public high school teaches European History, an AP course.

This is like the clown in the Virginia General Assembly who tried to make instruction in a foreign language illegal for elementary school students. I am told his phone lines rang off the hook for the better part of a week with calls from panicked parents with children in language immersion programs.

If there is a problem with a particular course or course material, address that issue. This wholesale effort to bond with an anglo base by demonizing everything Latino is scary.

Posted by: rb63 | May 12, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the collapse has really begun.

Oh well, at least Arizona will never be part of the "old south" ... even they aren't that stupid.

Posted by: barferio | May 12, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with ethnic studies as long as everyone has the opportunity to take the classes--it builds tolerance and opens communications as long as the history is accurate. However, all I'm hearing from bloggers against the classes is that they don't like the "sins" of white people being thrown back up. Not all whites are bad by far, despite those who would hold onto their leagcy of hate and domination that dates back to Rome. Unfortunately, that's history, so get over it. It's like people in the U.S. trying to forget what a significant role slavery played in this country, and not just toward blacks. There are villains in every subculture. It's just that the white minority has found some way to terrorize or bully the entire global majority at some point in time. It's not a sin to be white, but there are still many white people out there who don't understand the benefits they continue to recieve today from the sins of their fathers. It's just not something that should be ignored, but we all should strive to move foward as a global community.

Posted by: lidiworks1 | May 12, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I know it's hard for non-minorities to understand racial politics in this country, but if we all can agree that each group's experience is different in America. If you are white and your ancestors came over on the Mayflower, you have unique experience. If you are white and your ancestors owned slaves, you have a unique experience. If you are minority and your ancestors were either enslaved, illegal or came on a visa, you have a unique experience. The point is that children should learn about the diversity of America. All of it. From the pilgrims to the slaves and slave owners to the irish/german/italian immigrants who landed on Ellis Island, to the Jewish refugees escaping persecution . . . Like it or not, it's what makes us uniquely American. Arizona is moving into dangerous territory. It sounds like the early stages of the 3rd Reich . . . I'm just sayin'

Posted by: jmdyt | May 12, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

According to the Associated Press, Horne has wanted to limit the program since he learned several years ago that Hispanic civil right activist Dolores Herta told Tucson high school students that “Republicans hate Latinos.”
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Oh. You mean he wanted to stop the racist hispanic with the nasty mouth?

Ohhhhhhhhh.

Posted by: tjmlrc | May 12, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like this law would prohibit such courses as English Literature or European History.

Posted by: posttoastie1 | May 12, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Arizona is leading the nation in Americanizing the population. I've had enough of black, mexican, or any other particular ethnic group events. If it is so much more important than the US, than go home because obviously the US is not your home.

Posted by: GordonShumway | May 12, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow, why doesn't Arizona go ahead and implement apartheid already. This Brewer and Horne want to make their society homogeneous into white, republican america. Is this country's fiber not made up of different nationalities? Are mexicans excluded because of the color of their skin and culture? This issue has to be separated from the immigration issue, it has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. Mexican have existed in Arizona before whitey got there, it's their land too. What is wrong about black kids learning about black history, the same thing goes for mexicans. If they have to make courses for that purpose specifically, is because these things are not being taught in the majority of schools and curricula. Instead of this country being inclusive is driving some people to the fringes. Shame on us america, shame.

Posted by: jc_abril | May 12, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The problem with limiting your teaching to only "subgroup" history is we become a nation of self-interest subgroups, instead of united Americans. We have only segregated people, and our history.

Posted by: playfair109 | May 12, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

You liberals are at it again. A law that forbids segregation in a class and you find fault!!! Why should a class that teaches divisiveness by taught. Maybe someday there will be one history book that just teaches history and does not try to divide the nation, starting with a school course in Arizona. Give it up, Lefties. American are reclaiming America from you leftwingnuts. Thank God, Arizona has officials with guts.

Posted by: johntu | May 12, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Aryanzona is a Cesspool.

The reason Aryanzona is broke is because half the population lives in trailers.

Net result: Revenue from property taxes minimal.

The Tostitos Fiesta Bowl is moving to New York City. New York City! Great.

We need Immigration Reform now.

Boycott Aryanzona For A Better America.

Posted by: AusTexMex | May 12, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"Ethnic/women's/black study courses and departments are little more than jobs programs for liberals. Some positions are payoffs to keep agitators quiet. Some programs are to appear PC. All are a joke."
-josephlcooke.blogspot

Posted by: Joseph_L_Cooke | May 12, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

johntu and playfair: No one has said that these courses are replacing the regular American history course that all students almost certainly are required to take in order to graduate. Providing elective courses with more information on a narrower range of history (e.g., the history, basically, of New Spain and what it eventually became), does not balkanize us.

Posted by: rb63 | May 12, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse


@retabroad
"This country was founded by white Europeans, and that is the history all U.S. kids (citizens, that is) should be learning."
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You must be like 80 years old or just not that intelligent. Can you give us a reason why people should not learn about the history of other parts of the world? So, using your logic, American students should only learn about the history of white European people. That sounds contradictory in and of itself. In case you didn't notice there is an entire world out there and since people of my genereation and younger are going to be faced with the obstacle of competing in a global economy. We need to be knowledgable of people and cultures from other parts of the world because we are going to have to know how to interact with other groups of people. Knowing the history of other people helps you to be able to get a better understanding of yourself and of where you are heading in the future. But, since you are probably well beyond your prime, I am sure you will not have to deal with the aforementioned circumstances. That being said, you should be wise enough to know that what worked for your generation will definitely not work for my generation nor will it suffice for generations to come.

Posted by: backrowbeats | May 12, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

So, "activist Dolores Herta" attacked Republicans and Republicans attacked back.

Yesterday I threw a bouncy-ball at a wall and it bounced back.

It's scientific. Somone needs to improve your education.

Posted by: ZZim | May 12, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Remember that international Boycott of Arizona.

It's not just ON.

It's on DOUBLE now.

Every nation in the world is boycotting Arizona right now.

We will pull all the sports teams OUT.

We will cancel all trips there.

This is only the beginning.

Posted by: WillSeattle | May 12, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Well the Texas legislature has voted to emphasize "confederate" history, culture, and education. So in Texas it is ok to teach about the overthrowing the Federal Government, but in Arizona it is not. Oh, I forgot we are talking about a hispanic view point, so I guess it is not ok.

Anyways, I don't think the hispanics were teaching about overthrowing the Federal government, but emphasizing different cultural movements and contributions latinos have made. Yet, where is the contraversy with Virginia and Texas teaching about the confederacy, a movement that was violent, resulted in descrimination and death of 100 of thousands of Americans, and was against the US Constitution? This is just about Republican rascism.

Posted by: vidusa | May 12, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

This law does not ban ethnic studies. It just says taxpayers shouldn't pay for it.

People interested in having their children learn how great their ethnic group is, or how bad other ethnic groups are, can do the same thing people do who want their children to have religious insruction in school - send them to private school.

Posted by: jfv123 | May 12, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

If you cannot teach the overthrow of the American government, then what are the Muslim students going to do? Isn't that discrimination against their heritage of jihad?

Posted by: shel_zahav | May 12, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with education as long as it's historicaly and factualy correct and not forced upon any student to subscribe to the beliefs of the professor/teacher thats presenting the material.
The "Liberal Agenda" being forced on students goes against all moral beliefs and responsibility of the parents role in guiding their childrens beliefs according to what they see as right.

Posted by: jhnjdy | May 12, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

quite a few people here are saying that classes which may teach the american history of specific ethnic groups is not needed and kids should just learn american history.

please define american history....

Posted by: nall92 | May 12, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse


Shouldn't they also have a special program that contained courses focused solely on European-American studies where they discuss things like hate-crimes committed against whites that go unprosecuted and the economic slavery of whites who are forced to support a largely minority underclass? Wouldn't that be the same thing? Oh yeah, that would be racist under the double-standard that guides the thinking of most minorities. They rally behind the idea of EQUAL TREATMENT...... eeeexcept when they don't like something or when something benefits them, then it's perfectly acceptable to discriminate, like entrance quotas for college based on race for example. Glad to see the majority is finally waking up. LET THE BACKLASH BEGIN!! or should I say continue!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! You asked for it, you got it!!!

Posted by: savethepcbs | May 12, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

So now maybe the legislature will examine the History books for balance. And only include into the curriculum books that include the many cultures in this country in equal proportions. The perspective in our education is decidedly one sided. Offering as an elective History from a different cultural perspective seems an inadequate compromise. They should have left well enough alone, but obviously their children were opting in. Racist are always true to form nothing is good enough but White Supremacy in all forms.

Posted by: minco_007 | May 12, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

LGGC's got it right. Rather than "waste" money on non-essential classes, it is time to emphasize the basics. The primary role of public education should be the basics - reading, writing, arithmetic. Once you master those, you can teach yourself anything!

Posted by: slbm | May 12, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Jan Brewer, Governor of Arizona, is an one Ugly American. With this second bill she’s a proven racist, and intolerant and stupid to the point where she's denying her state tourist and business dollars that cost real jobs to real Americans - most of whom through probability who do not share her European elitist ancestry of which she’s most welcome to get back on the boat and join.

Posted by: GarrisonLiberty | May 12, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I look forward to Ms. Strauss' blog on this event:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8JNzNK8qWg

Dave Gorak
Executive director
Midwest Coalition to Reduce Immigration
La Valle, WI

Posted by: DaveGorak | May 12, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

This will probably stopped by the Courts. Politicians cannot legislate that whites be put on a pedestal. History, as taught in classes, is very Eurocentric and white-oriented. Talk about creating resentment. In any case, nowadays, with the vast access to information via the Internet, students can learn much more than in the classroom.

Posted by: CyberPost | May 12, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm...I wonder what party affilitaion Ms. Strauss claims?

Posted by: ANCLvr | May 12, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

For the historic record, a reminder: the Confederacy did not fight the Civil War in order to overthrow or replace the United States government. Rather, the CSA sought to secede from the Union to form their own nation. That's not a minor distinction.

...It means the U.S. Civil War should be just fine under the new AZ law without a hint of hypocrisy.

Posted by: BeauTochs | May 12, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Remember that international Boycott of Arizona.

It's not just ON.

It's on DOUBLE now.

Every nation in the world is boycotting Arizona right now.

We will pull all the sports teams OUT.

We will cancel all trips there.

This is only the beginning.

Posted by: WillSeattle
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Dream on willieboy!
I go to AZ several times a year. Going north on 90 you are automatically stopped by the border patrol and they have the audacity to ask me (an obviously white American) if I am legal. Although we haven't been able to cross over into Nogales for several years now because of the violence. But don't you worry about that. It's just drugs. They want to sell them to your kids. No biggie.

Posted by: tjmlrc | May 12, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

viejo70: I'm also a conservative, and agree with most of your post.

But, if you're a teacher, God help our children.

Your grammar and spelling are terrible! It's no wonder that many of them fail to graduate.

Posted by: charlie13 | May 12, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"So in Texas it is ok to teach about the overthrowing the Federal Government, but in Arizona it is not. Oh, I forgot we are talking about a Hispanic view point, so I guess it is not ok."

You forget that Hispanics are an uninvited minority that has established a presence in this country mainly through the crime of breaking and entering. 60% are still more loyal to their ethnic homeland than the US according to Pew Center polls. They are the very definition of a Fifth Column. If they can't learn English and get off welfare they should have their citizenship revoked and be deported.

Posted by: greg3 | May 12, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I thought we were all Americans. I don't see anything in the constitution about American sub-groups. We are one nation. Why teach something different?
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There's nothing in the Constitution about TV or airplanes. What's your point? That the Constitution approves of obviously racist legislation?

Posted by: lewfournier1 | May 12, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I agree, let teachers teach as they see fit, subject to performance reviews that can get rid of them if they are poor at their jobs.

However, stating what should be part of the curriculum is indeed the job of elected officials, whether a board of education or a legislature. There's nothing wrong with it in the least. They are responsible to the voters in a way teachers are not, and if the voters are unhappy, they can replace the officials.

Posted by: Nemo24601 | May 12, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

How is this column not in the Op-Ed section? It certainly is not news.

Posted by: joefish | May 12, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

greg3: "They are the very definition of a Fifth Column."

Ah yes another mindless sheepie who gets his morality from a television show.

Posted by: frantaylor | May 12, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I thought we were all Americans. I don't see anything in the constitution about American sub-groups. We are one nation. Why teach something different?
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There's nothing in the Constitution about TV or airplanes. What's your point? That the Constitution approves of obviously racist legislation?

Posted by: lewfournier1 | May 12, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

If you keep segragating Races you will just keep stimulating racism. I believe we should teach the whole US history first then have elective classes to dwell in detail to the other aspects of it. other foreign cultures should be left to world history.When they graduate and go to college they could then take classes that relate to deffrent cultures.So in conclusion if you want to stop Racism stop seperating the Races.

Posted by: SirMeuse | May 12, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

The governor signed the bill just after six United Nations human rights experts released a statement saying they had concerns about the measure and noted that all people have a right to learn about their own cultural and linguistic heritage.

But on this issue, the U.N. experts have it right.

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Totally agree, but let them learn about it on their own! Why should US schools, supported by US tax dollars, provide that for them. The bill is not saying they can't learn about it, they just need to do using their own money, not through US public schools!

Next thing you will hear latinos complaining that English is the United State's official language!

What is wrong with people standing up for America! Why should our tax dollars be used to teach Americans about Mexican history and culture?

We are still in the United States of America, right? I forgot when Mexico became another state that we need to consider when developing our nations education standards!

Liberals are a total joke if they honestly believe our public school need to include this as part of their curriculum!

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | May 12, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

With progressive democrats you get a job because of your race and not because you are the most qualified, awhile if you are from the wrong democraphic group, you get persecuted, regardless that you would do a better job than the racist quota system canidates could ever do.

Obama is a DISGRACE, and most Americans now know it.

Posted by: ignoranceisbliss

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It's quite amazing that the righties have nothing to say about the greatest beneficiary of affirmative action, George W. Bush. Here's a boy who was an absolute disgrace but used his father to get ahead and even claim the presidency of the United States, a post for which he was spectacularly unsuited. With that lurking in the right-wing background, you'd think they'd be very quiet about quota systems and the like.

Posted by: lewfournier1 | May 12, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"If you keep segregating Races you will just keep stimulating racism. "

Yes, but when you put them together in classrooms kids start to figure our that not all races are endowed equally. So what do we do about that? Somebody better invent a smart pill or America is going to be in BIG trouble in 2050.

Posted by: greg3 | May 12, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

the blogger never said that the classes advocated "the overthrow" of the US Gov. The classes dont advocate the overthrow of the govt, only study what some radicals pushed for in the 1960s. Examining historical movements happens everyday in history class. The bill's author included first two examples as red herrings to distract from what the bill really targets.
As a social studies teacher, I am offended at what low opinion previous posters hold about my profession. To study something is not the same as accepting wholesale what is presented in class. By looking into it for themselves, students will use critical thinking that is missing in many of previous posts.
What is so fearsome about students learning about their cultural heritage and past, if nothing else they will gain a greater understanding of the society we live in today. And if our society is so wonderful a melting pot, what harm is there in learning what parts went into making their country what it is today.

Minority or ethnic groups are not monolithic blocks like the bills authors suggest, which are waiting to be mobilized or radicalized against "true patriots" which use the "melting pot" as cover for denying others cultural heritage.
If you want them to "melt" together with everyone else, stop denegrating what they might bring to our multicultural country. Its our differences and our will to be one people that make our country great. Don't be on the wrong side of history or demographic change. Our country is always changing.

Posted by: Rhajmon | May 12, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

So. Let's see. Arizona is #51 (yes, #51) in education and now †his? It is a good thing Tom Horne is leaving--he is a disgrace as an educator. I pray he fails getting the attorney general position--by the way--is he qualified? He has done nothing positive for AZ education. I guess he doesn't want any world history taught unless we just teach about the white guys being good. I wonder if they will monitor all classrooms with cameras. Our governor of AZ must feel terribly insecure about her place in politics--she is scraping the bottom of the barrel and hurting innocent people doing it.

Posted by: karenswright01 | May 12, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

What are Latino studies classes taught about the Arizona illegal immigrant enforcement law?

a) That since the federal government doesn't enforce its own laws, Arizona had to take the responsibility upon itself; or
b) It's the same kind of "states rights" the South used to use.

Posted by: WmarkW | May 12, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

mark004--where have YOU been? Where in the world does any cultural study class promote the overthrow of the government? That statement is used by Horne to scare people so that he gets his prejudiced way. He only likes whites.

Posted by: karenswright01 | May 12, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Can't promote the overthrow of the US government? So much for Confederate heritage day!

Posted by: Garak | May 12, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Public schools should offer basic courses in English, history, math, science, not "studies" curricula that are more suited for college students. I see no problem with public schools limiting their offerings to courses aimed at educating students generally, rather than catering to the whims of any particular group.

Posted by: cayman88 | May 12, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

If Hispanics think it is absolutely imperative that their children learn Hispanic (rather than what every one else learns) history, then they should take a lesson from the Jews and fund their own Hispanic programs separate from the public system. They could send their kids to them every day, and at 14 even have a Cinqo de Mayo 'bar mitzah' at which they could get up and recite, 'Now I am an hombre'!

OR

They could focus their attention on learning English instead of resentment, and skills instead of grievances!

Posted by: AlibiFarmer | May 12, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

To the person who didn't see anything about subgroups in the American Constitution -- I guess you missed that cryptic reference to "all other persons" who are not citizens counting as 3/5 of a person for purposes of the Census and congressional representation. It all depends on what your definition of a "subgroup" is.

Posted by: rb63 | May 12, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

So what are Arizona history teachers supposed to say about slavery? That it was benevolent? Are they even allowed to mention Jim Crow laws or the civil rights movement? Are they supposed to pretend that Native Americans were well treated during the westward expansion?

If the Arizona mentality spread to Germany, they'd force teachers to pretend that the holocaust was no big deal

Posted by: hithere2 | May 12, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The law is mean-spirited. Plain and simple.

Posted by: JohnnyU2Berry | May 12, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I thought we were all Americans. I don't see anything in the constitution about American sub-groups. We are one nation. Why teach something different?
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Actually, it's not meant to be different, it's meant to be supplemental.

Anything that tries to summarize several hundred years of American history into a 8 months is going to leave some details out... and it's often the contributions of minority groups that don't make the final edit and leave alot people thinking they don't exist.

These courses are meant to supplement the default education, and provide interested students a chance to get more detail than they normally. Of course, someone from that particular group is more likely to be interested in the contributions of people like them, but these classes are usually open to anyone and rightfully should be.

Posted by: AJohn1 | May 12, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

all people have a right to learn about their own cultural and linguistic heritage.

Of course they do, but on their own time, not in public schools.

Posted by: theFieldMarshall | May 12, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

No comprende, diga en Espanol, por favor.

Posted by: theFieldMarshall | May 12, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

LOL...who is "we".....do you have a mouse in your pocket?

If you aren't going to Arizona, then the legislation is serving 2 good purposes........

"Remember that international Boycott of Arizona.

It's not just ON.

It's on DOUBLE now.

Every nation in the world is boycotting Arizona right now.

We will pull all the sports teams OUT.

We will cancel all trips there.

This is only the beginning.

Posted by: WillSeattle"

Posted by: georgedixon | May 12, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we need separate courses for separate ethnic groups in high school. I have no problem with a history course that references the contributions made by many ethnic groups to this great country of ours, Africans, Irish, English, Italian, Hispanic, etc. What I have a problem with is having one particular ethnic group thinking that because they are the majority in a particular area that they are then entitled to courses which exclude other ethnicities. Separate but equal is something that we should not be promoting. I thought it was a dead issue years ago. If people want to be citizens of this country and accepted by citizens of this country then the "special" treatment should end. I'm Irish by ancestry, but I'm American first, last and always. Diversity is good until it becomes divergent, and that's what is happening in some of these border areas. I applaud AZ.

Posted by: 78vette | May 12, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Civil War 2 by 2013.

You don't have to READ about American history, kiddies. You're gonna get to LIVE it real soon!

Posted by: pmendez | May 12, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

By this logic banning Ethnic Studies should not allow the history of the founding of America, Columbus, The Mayflower and its trans-european immigration roots.

Is not the Scots-Irish an ethnicity? or does that just apply to everyone else?

This law is insane, pithy, ignorant, xenophobic and arrogant and a WHITE-washing of history.

Posted by: yarbrougharts | May 12, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm waiting for the bill to rename the state Aryanzona.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | May 12, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

And it's about time for a national law requiring that everybody speaks English who wants to be a citizen.

Posted by: theFieldMarshall | May 12, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Do you hear that noise? Its the soft sounds of liberals throughout academia quietly sobbing into their Chai teas as their dream of Balkanizing America is slowly being dismantled.

Posted by: luca_20009 | May 12, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

In case you were wondering if there was a racist motivation in the new AZ immigration law, this law should pretty much spell it all out.

And, no, we're not all "one America." The ideological 50/50 split we have now pretty much tells us that loud and clear.

Posted by: beargulch | May 12, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

How many of you posters have children in public schools in AZ? I do, and can clearly say the the basics of reading, writing and arithmetic and not being taught to proper standards because of language barriers that prevent some students from 'keeping-up'. It's is not an intellectual issue, but a cultural one.

In addition, I do want my children to spend MORE time learning about the sacrafices of their previous generations in the American Revolution, World War I World War II, and even a war like Vietnam, than the Mexican Revolution. After all, my children are American citizens and I want to learn the history of America, good and bad.

They should be taught about other cultures and history, but it should all-inclusive, not specific to one nationality. The students of Arizona should have the same historical curriculum taught as those in CT, MI, WA, etc.

Posted by: bal503 | May 12, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

georgedixon- Thank you for not coming to Arizona

Posted by: bal503 | May 12, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Remember that international Boycott of Arizona.

It's not just ON.

It's on DOUBLE now.

Every nation in the world is boycotting Arizona right now.

We will pull all the sports teams OUT.

We will cancel all trips there.

This is only the beginning.

Posted by: WillSeattle
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So what are the chances we can get Mexico to boycott Arizona? Maybe keep its citizens from illegally crossing the border?

Posted by: luca_20009 | May 12, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Stupid State AZ!
After reading some of the statements in hear, i see there are stupid people too.

So what are they going to keep teaching the water down history that being teach now?

Posted by: shamken | May 12, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

shamken- Stupid AZ? Look at your post. 'Hear'? Do you mean 'here'?

Your second sentence shows the school system where you went did not teach english well.

Posted by: bal503 | May 12, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Arizona's New Tourism Slogan: "Welcome to Arizona: Enjoy The Third Reich and The Third Degree"

Posted by: boxdesoap | May 12, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

God Bless Arizona. Taking the tough steps because nobody else will. All of my fellow caucasians who are just aghast need to stop and realize that there is significant support for these measures within the confines of the state. Much of this support comes from Hispanic Americans who have emigrated and are now assimilated into American culture. La Raza does not speak for a majority of Arizonans. While many of the liberal snobs on this side of the Mississippi don't agree, the reality of the situation in Arizona is dire and action is needed.

But by all means, boycott Arizona. There will be more room on the golf courses and in the restaurants for those of us who appreciate what it means to make a tough decision in the face of overwhelming adversity.

Posted by: lingering_lead | May 12, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I see no problem with the law. What it seeks to ban should be banned.

I do see a problem with a very, very large group of people living here who don't consider themselves Americans and who arn't really on the side of this nation.

Posted by: Andrea_KC | May 12, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"I guess they'll have to cancel all of the Civil War classes. That is about nothing but the overthrow of the United States Government."

This is the sort of ignorance that is so dispiriting to people who care about education. The Confederacy, of course, had no wish whatsoever to overthrow the U.S. government. The Confederacy wished simply to depart the U.S. and set up their own government, which in fact they did.

Posted by: LeePefley1 | May 12, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Among other things this is an anti Catholic referendum, as much as being racist.

In several interviews I heard people there in AZ mention this is a white protestant state and it does not belong to brown Mexican Catholics.

If this is the case it is nothing new. Irish also experienced bigotry. But all they had to do was blend in.

Posted by: ArchieHaase | May 12, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

In the elective African-American studies class I took in high school 20% of the students were black, about half white, and the rest hispanic and Asian.

I've also taken a number of other history and cultural studies classes.

They all are a part of our history no matter the race. Between high school and college had interests in courses that explored the history of asians in the united states, history of early europeans in the united states, and native american studies. For the most part every single one of those specialized courses were elective courses. The general history of America was a required course. I saw nothing at all wrong with this structure. Everyone should be required to learn the history of this country to graduate but what exactly is wrong with learning about a subset of this nations people if taken as an elective and not made a required course?

A generic American history class covers a broad range of subjects. Specialized history and ethnic classes go deeper into one area.

In College everyone is required to take the general math class. Afterwards depending on your major there were a number of elective math class a student could choose to take: differential equations, business statistics, engineering statistics, calculas I & II, applied mathmatics....and so on.

The school decided everyone should have some basic college math knowledge but depending on your major and interests there were a slew of other math classes to choose from.

The same logic applies to history and cultural studies classes. The base is US history and culture but depending on your major and interests you can branch off to study a whole range of other sub sections of US culture and history.

There is no need to politicize by going so far as to introducing a bill restricting certain classes.

I always think people are over exaggerating when comparing the recent Arizona laws to what occured in Germany pre-WWII but then laws like these are passed and it makes you pause for a minute.

Posted by: 6thsense79 | May 12, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Once we have freed ourselves from our Hispanic burden, there'll be no demand for Hispanic "studies."
Had I my way, I'd give these squatters just two weeks to get out of town and not come back.

Posted by: LeePefley1 | May 12, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I love all of these articles written about Arizona by people on the other side of the country who have no idea what is actually happening.

This legislation was drafted in response to racist, hateful "cultural curriculum" developed by La Raza. I actually sat through the hearing for the legislation, so I quite litterally had a front-row view. I had one opinion going in about this legislation--and an entirely different opinion once I heard the testimony. If you want the truth, here's why this bill was signed into law:
https://www.azed.gov/administration/superintendent/AnOpenLettertoCitizensofTucson.pdf

Of course, for those people who believe only white folks can possibly be racist, this makes no difference. I'll tell you--your perspective shifts when you have thousands of people marching down the street in front of your office speaking a foreign language and carrying foreign flags. It feels like a foreign invasion--which it is. But liberals are more than happy to turn over our country to foreign invaders--along with our tax dollars. Just wait until amnesty passes and we're stuck paying for Obamacare for all of these low-wage earners. Greece will look like Kuwait compared to the United States.

And Los Angeles, the city that just voted to boycott Arizona, already lost its war. See George Will's column, "Trickle-Down Misery in L.A." http://www.newsweek.com/id/237640

And it's Arizona's citizens that go to Cali for vacation--let's see who loses what when Zonis don't go to Sea World and Disneyland. Funny thing, though: none of the cities calling for boycott are willing to take any of Arizona's 460,000 illegals. No invitation needed, however. Local interviews indicate that UDAs are leaving Phoenix and headed to sanctuary cities and states. I'm sure this will have no impact whatsoever on California's current fiscal crisis and its unemployment, which ranks above 12%.

Posted by: pepperjade | May 12, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Lee you do not understand Arizona was full of brown Spanish speaking people before you came? Many Latin Americans think you are a squatter.

Posted by: ArchieHaase | May 12, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

This is the case in which a bunch of Mexican-haters white republicans in power in the state of Arizona are rewriting history according to their views to brain-wash the white childrens in Arizona and be indoctrinated in the art of hate. Arizona was before the treaty of Guadalupe after the Mexican-American war, was part of Mexico, and before this was part of the Spanish Viceroy of the new world, and before it was the land of the natives now living in the so called “Indian reservations”.

Posted by: tepexpan | May 12, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Pepper you do not get it. These people come here to do work lazy white people who think they are too good to do.

Like it or not the US does a good job mixing cultures and people into society. In fact they do such a good job at assimilating they become just like you.

Posted by: ArchieHaase | May 12, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Here's some info about the Tucson Unified School District cultural education program from Tom Horne's letter:

I personally observed this at the Tucson Magnet School. My Deputy, Margaret
Garcia Dugan, who is Latina and Republican, came to refute the allegation made earlier to the student body, that “Republicans hate Latinos.” Her speech was non-partisan and professional, urging students to think for themselves, and avoid stereotypes. Yet, a small
group of La Raza Studies students treated her rudely, and when the principal asked
them to sit down and listen, they defiantly walked out. By contrast, teenage Republicans listened politely when Delores Huerta told the entire student body that “Republicans
hate Latinos.”
In hundreds of visits to schools, I’ve never seen students act rudely and in
defiance of authority, except in this one unhappy case. I believe the students did not learn this rudeness at home, but from their Raza teachers. The students are being ill served. Success as adults requires the ability to deal with disagreements in a civil manner. Also, they are creating a hostile atmosphere in the school for the other students, who were not born into their “race.”

Hector Ayala was born in Mexico, and is an excellent English teacher at Cholla
High School in TUSD. He reports that the Director of Raza Studies accused him of
being the “white man’s agent,” and that when this director was a teacher, he taught a separatist political agenda, and his students told Hector that they were taught in Raza Studies to “not fall for the white man’s traps.”

Posted by: pepperjade | May 12, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

This article exemplifies the attitude that has corrupted public education. Kudos to Arizona - for handling the illegal immigration problem the federal government refuses to and for not supporting the slanted, politically correct instruction geared toward only certain ethnic groups.

The indoctrination of children coupled with the out of control pension plans have ruined public school. Many teachers receive tenure and then just mark time until they can retire at 55. Others are intent on shoving their liberal agenda down the throats of the kids. Meanwhile, kids can't read, write or perform basic math.

The author of this article is clearly out of step with most Americans. There will be a huge backlash in November because the electorate is unhappy with the direction of our country.

Posted by: thinker16 | May 12, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Look, the Tucson curriculum was invented to boost the esteem of Latino kids. This is yet another failed doctrine of the Ed establishment, that if kids feel good about themselves they will learn more. But Latino kids really don't have much to feel good about -- the community they come from is pretty much a failure in the US so the Ed establishment encourages them to blame racism.

Sure, race is the cause of their troubles but Grin-go discrimination is not. Unfortunately, they come from an ungifted ancestry, but they are being forced to adapt to a society with a language and a culture beyond their ability to properly master.

Posted by: greg3 | May 12, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I have an issue with people who break the law, and with their apologists. Somebody tell me what is wrong with taking some action against people who break the law.

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | May 12, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The out-of-control, racist programs of the tuscon school district desperately need some adult supervision. This bill, hopefully, will provide that and stop the la raza extremists from preaching anti-American propaganda to students.

The Great State of Arizona continues to lead America!

Posted by: TeaPartyPatriot | May 12, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Archie, do you approve of the Raza studies as outlined in Tom Horne's letter--of teaching Latinos to hate the white man? And did you note that Tom Horne participated in the MLK march on Washington, DC?

I grew up in South Florida and we had quite the mix of cultures--but we had respect. We didn't have people marching through the streets and demanding that legal taxpayers cover the costs for illegals. Our schools didn't teach one race to hate another.

Oh, and Archie, feel free to contribute to the costs of providing education, particlualry ESL, for Arizona's illegal population. The rest of the country doesn't bear the burden that the border states do. One in 13 is an illegal in this state. Beyond that, only 24% of our population has a college education. So those of us who are educated and do have a decent paying job are supporting a population whereby one in five is on Medicaid and those who are not because of their illegal status are overrunning our emergency rooms. Again, Archie, feel free to contribute to supporting these folks because Arizona taxpayers are fed up with having to pay the costs of a failed federal immigration policy. It's the feds' policy--why aren't they paying for it?

Posted by: pepperjade | May 12, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I love Arizona. Sounds like a great place to retire in.

Once all the filthy mexicans illegal alien drug dealers and murderers leave it's going to be fantastic.

Posted by: knight1977 | May 12, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't Arizona students--and those in every other state of the Union--learn in standard history courses that Arizona was once a part of Mexico? Should information such as that require a special course, moreover one primarily directed at Mexican-American students?

By all means keep politicians out of education, but at the same time let us all be aware that too often special ethnic study courses have been driven by advocacy, not educational, designs.

Posted by: orray | May 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Remember that international Boycott of Arizona.

It's not just ON.

It's on DOUBLE now.

Every nation in the world is boycotting Arizona right now.

We will pull all the sports teams OUT.

We will cancel all trips there.

This is only the beginning.

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Ummmm......you might want to review the polling data regarding Arizona.

70% of the country SUPPORTS the Arizona immigration law.

But I do have an idea - why don't we round up all the illegals in Arizona and elsewhere and send them to Seattle?

Posted by: thinker16 | May 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

This ban of ethnic studies bill aptly demonstrates that white people are a bloodytrip!!! Effing teabaggers.

Going against the weight and arc of history; that is smart LOL.

Posted by: rastaman48 | May 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

People who study or graduate from courses like "ethnic studies" or "gay-LGBT studies" are pretty much the worst students anyway. If they were smart enough to be studying medicine or physics, they would be doing that instead.

These courses are just a fraud concocted by entitled academics to justify and promote people's anger.

Posted by: pgr88 | May 12, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The closer the people of America look at the state of Arizona and the more the country learns of her deeply conservative roots that set the course for the state, the more the country will begin to better understand what is means to be governed by conservatives for generations. That is, things are nuts here. The "people" of Arizona are asked to impose a 1% sales tax hike on themselves because the conservative GOP "leaders" of this state don't have the guts to stand up against The Club for Growth (the whacko neocon right wing operation that managed to get all GOP reps in the state to sign on a pledge never to raise taxes). And right wing radio !!, this must be the birth place. Oh yeah, this is also Timothy McVeighs home state.

You think ani-immigration is ridiculous? Think banning certain classes is stupid and short-sighted? You've only scratched the surface on Arizxona's zaniness...

Posted by: ScottChallenger | May 12, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Civil War 2 by 2013.

You don't have to READ about American history, kiddies. You're gonna get to LIVE it real soon!

Posted by: pmendez | May 12, 2010 3:31 PM
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God I hope you're right, then we can really clear out the garbage.

Posted by: savethepcbs | May 12, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Okay, only in America can we be made to feel "uncomfortable" about enforcing our own laws about lawful residency. It is particularly naive that we point to the UN as a body that legitimizes our concern with the recently passed Arizona laws. From memory, here is a list of countries where for one reason or another, I have had to present my passport when asked to legitimize my presence:
• Singapore
• China
• Philippines
• Indonesia
• Australia
• Vietnam
• Mexico
• Brazil
• Pakistan
• India
• UAE
• Soviet Union
In all cases, the enquiry was politely placed and my presence was consistent with either a visa or work permit in proper order. None of the enquiries were made because I could easily be confused for a local. I am a white American male that speaks English with an American accent. At 6’4” I am kind of tough to confuse with your average Vietnamese villager. I do not spend much time in Europe, so I can’t comment on practices there.
America, at the end of the day, has always been exceptionally generous compared to the rest of the world when it comes to immigration issues and, despite some obvious failings, better than average when it comes to tolerance of ethnic diversity (mono cultures don’t get a vote here).
We need to debate the merits of the new Arizona law on its own merits and against our own standards and not the rhetoric of a body like the UN which has no accountability or standing on the topic.

Posted by: swan_502 | May 12, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm always amused by these people who talk about how we're all Americans. Oh really? Now, when the white people in this country are on the verge of being out numbered by the non-white people, some white people want to play the "but we're all Americans" card. However, for the vast majority of the history of this country, we weren't all Americans. White people were Americans. But Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Native Americans, Samoans, Laplanders, and any other group that wasn't lily white was considered to be something less than American.

I used to live in Mississippi, and I'm old enough to remember when I couldn't even go to the same schools as white children. That wasn't in some long forgotten time. That happened in my lifetime. So, I have little sympathy nor concern for those who claim to be oh so worried about the country becoming divided. The country has always been divided, and it was the white people who did the dividing.

This law isn't about protecting America from Balkanization. This law is about some white people who think they have a God given right to run everything, feeling scared and resentful because they realize they no longer run everything. And please note that I'm saying some white people. Not all white people, not even most white people. But some white people definitely feel that way, and a lot of them seem to live in Arizona.

Posted by: sonny2 | May 12, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

If people are just waking up to the fact that school districts, colleges, and universities have been offering courses of study with a particular emphasis, perhaps they should just go back to sleep. It's fair to remind ourselves that most American baby boomers grew up studying "facts" that often were the history of denial. For example, who can forget what a great guy George Armstrong Custer was, or the arrogance of Manifest Destiny, or the tragedy of the Trail of Tears; or the Latin-American dictatorships we propped-up to help American banana growers; the American takeover of the sovereign nation of Hawaii; and so on. Areas of study help younger students and college-age student get a broader perspective and challenge conventional wisdom. Having been a college professor, watching the light go on as a student challenges an idea is a remarkable moment to savor. If we're afraid of the truth we're doomed.

Posted by: Jazzdavid | May 12, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The bill is silly if for no other reason than that it is impossible to interpret or apply. What is a class designed "for" a minority? As opposed to one "about" a particular subject that might attract one or another ethnic group more than another?

Surely the bill does not prohibit any class about Mexican American relations, just because hispanics might be more interested in it, percentage-wise, than asian-american students. Same with African-American studies. there are plenty of folks who want to learn about the lunch counter demonstrations in Nashville, or the bus boycotts, etc. Would that be a prohibited class? Who knows? This makes about as much sense as the legislature banning classes on sewing. could argue it either way, but that's why we have school boards. they decide what classes will meet the needs of students to cover the subjects of interest to them and which will meet their needs.

Banning subjects is right up there with banning books.

the provision about banning advocacy of solidarity is even worse. I guess you couldn't teach the lunch counter boycott story under that provision either, because it is a case study in coordinated civil disobedience (actually not much disobedience involved at all) among a racial group. sounds like an endorsement of solidarity to me. so AZ is banning anything that could arguably facilitate Hispanics or blacks organizing.

Posted by: JoeT1 | May 12, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

GO Arizona republicans!

Don't stop now, Italians and Irish are next.

Posted by: knjincvc | May 12, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

and next will come a law banning women's studies. can't have a class about a single gender, especially if it could advocate solidarity among women to secure rights to equal pay.

Posted by: JoeT1 | May 12, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"This law is about some white people who think they have a God given right to run everything, feeling scared and resentful because they realize they no longer run everything."

No, it's not. The law protects everyone, regardless of race. But I believe the minority occupation regime of Barak Obama shows that whites need to preserve their political self-determination. I do not want a race conscious black or Latino to be in a position of authority over me. Ever.I owe other minorities nothing and I'm tired of paying the black and Hispanic tax which transfers wealth from my family to less successful racial groups.

Posted by: greg3 | May 12, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

of course anyone teaching these courses now can write the sylabbus to avoid offending the bill. so what next, every student goes home and tells daddy what the teacher said about, say, the Cesar Chavez organization of field workers (surely a decent topic for a class anywhere) and daddy calls his legislator to protest that the law was broken? what a nightmare.

Posted by: JoeT1 | May 12, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

God Bless Arizona. Taking the tough steps because nobody else will. All of my fellow caucasians who are just aghast need to stop and realize that there is significant support for these measures within the confines of the state. Much of this support comes from Hispanic Americans who have emigrated and are now assimilated into American culture. La Raza does not speak for a majority of Arizonans. While many of the liberal snobs on this side of the Mississippi don't agree, the reality of the situation in Arizona is dire and action is needed.

But by all means, boycott Arizona. There will be more room on the golf courses and in the restaurants for those of us who appreciate what it means to make a tough decision in the face of overwhelming adversity.

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Enjoy those flat top hair cuts, penny loafers, poodle skirts, and Pat Boone records. I'm sure you'll be very happy in your recreation of 1950s America. With all that preference for everything white, you might want to ban any television shows not broadcast in black and white. You won't miss color TV much (unless you're really fond of Hee-Haw, Lawrence Welk, and Bonanza). It will be almost like the good old days when "coloreds" kept quietly out of sight.

Although, it's gonna be a little harder to play golf when you've exiled all the people who keep the greens manicured. It's also gonna be bit harder to enjoy that meal at that nice restaurant when there's no one to bus tables, or wash dishes. I guess restaurants won't need that kind of staff much anyway when most people will just be ordering Wonderbread and mayonnaise sandwiches. I almost said "Miracle Whip" but it has a hint of color and spice, so I know you won't want any of that. For desert, Twinkies and vanilla ice cream, mmmm, mmmm, good! Yay, white people!

Posted by: grantmh | May 12, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

greg3: I hate to break it to you, but white people want to study the history of race relations in the south and their impact on racial politics. even some republicans would. heck might help them figure out how to attract black voters.

would that class be banned under this legislation? who knows, it's so badly written as to be unintelligible, and I can't wait for a court to throw it out as void for vagueness and idiocy.

Posted by: JoeT1 | May 12, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I do not speak Spanish, but my wife speaks flawless Castilian. And since she looks like a Latina, she is constantly addressed in Spanish everywhere she goes. Her assessment is that the ESL population in the US can't speak Spanish properly either. In fact, she is amazed by how much it sounds like Ebonics, fraught with unconjugated verbs, indecipherable slang, and bad pronunciation. Why is anybody surprised that these people remain isolated in their own subculture.

Posted by: greg3 | May 12, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

No, it's not. The law protects everyone, regardless of race. But I believe the minority occupation regime of Barak Obama shows that whites need to preserve their political self-determination. I do not want a race conscious black or Latino to be in a position of authority over me. Ever.I owe other minorities nothing and I'm tired of paying the black and Hispanic tax which transfers wealth from my family to less successful racial groups.
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Cry me a river. The times are changing. These "less successful racial groups" are less successful, primarily because white people held them down. Had I been stuck in Mississippi my whole life, with no ability to get a decent education, I'd be less successful too.

People like you are part of the problem in America. People like Barack Obama are part of the solution. So, by all means, preserve your white, political self determination. Move to Iceland, and don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Posted by: sonny2 | May 12, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

No more European Studies? French Literature? German philosophers?

Arizona get's more and more bizarre everyday. That old coot Grouchy McCain still the Senator out there?Which way's the wind blowin'? That's where McCain's goin'!!

Posted by: thebobbob | May 12, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"These "less successful racial groups" are less successful, primarily because white people held them down. "

These less successful people are less talented and when they force their way into power, they suffer by their on hand. Look at the disaster that is South Africa.

Posted by: greg3 | May 12, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Good law...about time to start culling out all the "political correctness" that is the cause of Racial tension in this country. We should all want to be called "Americans"...that's our "race". Most of us came from somewhere else, so where's the emphasis in school courses on Germans, Italians, Irish, etc...etc..? Why don't we have Romanian-American History month? It gets pretty silly to break us up into ethnic classes with separate holidays and separate history lessons and separate Miss USA contests, and separate Congressional Caucases,etc.... If you come here to be a Citizen of this country, then just accept that you're an American..period. If you want to preserve your ethinic heritage, then it's your family's job to pass that along to you. If you feel you are still "suffering" from whatever happened to your ancestors, it's probabbly time to get over it and move into the current world.
I say take the so called "race Card" and burn it !!

Posted by: Gypsy1 | May 12, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The writer lists countries with poor human rights records but omits Israel from the list, a country that has perhaps the worst human rights recond in the world. Just this past week four Palestinians were murdered by the IDF for trying to keep their homes from being demolished. Things like that happen there every day!

Posted by: alfa67 | May 12, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

And besides, if whites are holding minorities down, how come after decades of affirmative action they are still failing in schools and in the professions. I think the truth is a bitter pill to swallow in a multicultural society: multiple Bell Curves do exist.

Posted by: greg3 | May 12, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

greg3: so are you just against ethnic classes for inferior races, or are you against French Literature as well as Spanish Literature, or German Philosophers, or what?

Posted by: JoeT1 | May 12, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The writer lists countries with poor human rights records but fails to mention Israel, the country that has one of the the worst human rights records in the world.

Posted by: alfa67 | May 12, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Here's some info about the Tucson Unified School District cultural education program from Tom Horne's letter:

I personally observed this at the Tucson Magnet School. My Deputy, Margaret
Garcia Dugan, who is Latina and Republican, came to refute the allegation made earlier to the student body, that “Republicans hate Latinos.” Her speech was non-partisan and professional, urging students to think for themselves, and avoid stereotypes. Yet, a small
group of La Raza Studies students treated her rudely, and when the principal asked
them to sit down and listen, they defiantly walked out. By contrast, teenage Republicans listened politely when Delores Huerta told the entire student body that “Republicans
hate Latinos.”
In hundreds of visits to schools, I’ve never seen students act rudely and in
defiance of authority, except in this one unhappy case. I believe the students did not learn this rudeness at home, but from their Raza teachers. The students are being ill served. Success as adults requires the ability to deal with disagreements in a civil manner. Also, they are creating a hostile atmosphere in the school for the other students, who were not born into their “race.”

Hector Ayala was born in Mexico, and is an excellent English teacher at Cholla
High School in TUSD. He reports that the Director of Raza Studies accused him of
being the “white man’s agent,” and that when this director was a teacher, he taught a separatist political agenda, and his students told Hector that they were taught in Raza Studies to “not fall for the white man’s traps.”

Posted by: pepperjade

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This was one of the most interesting posts, but will be ignored by many of the people who have attacked the law. They would prefer to agree with a "news" article that is strong on opinion and short on facts.

Posted by: bethg1841 | May 12, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

LETS MAKE IT SIMPLE FOR SOME OF YOU TODAY.

OUR SCHOOLS TEACH THE SAME CLASSES TO ALL OF US.
THERE ARE NO SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS, OR ETHNIC GROUPS THAT GET SPECIAL CLASSES.

THE KIDS IN SCHOOL ARE ALL THE SAME, SO WHY TEACH THEM THAT THEY ARE DIFFERENT BY PROFILING SPECIAL CLASSES FOR THEM.

KEEP YOUR LEFTIST, SOCIALISTIC RACE CARD THINKING OUT OF THE SCHOOLS WE ARE PAYING FOR, AND LEAVE THESE KIDS THE CHANCE TO GROW UP BETTER THAN YOU DID.

Posted by: GEEMAN101 | May 12, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

RE: mark0004

I take it that you meant "abuse our liberties", since to take advantage of a liberty is, in literal fact, to exercise it. As such, it is difficult to abuse a liberty, for to constitute abuse, the exercise of the libery must impinge upon the liberty of another. I see nothing in your arguement that demonstrates such an impingement.

Posted by: MichaelWaters | May 12, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

grantmh---You really are a racist! You're also a blithering idiot who knows nothing about Arizona. Did you know that when AZ made E-Verify usage it caused many illegals to bolt. And guess what, fool? Americans and legal immigrants stepped up to fill the void. My relative works in a restaurant in AZ. She tells us that white Americans are washing the dishes. You know---that's one of those jobs you claim "white people" won't do! Besides, Hispanic is not a race. Hispanics are often a mix of white, Indian and black.

Karenswright---Did it ever occur to you why AZ is ranked #51 in education? For years, they've been overwhelmed by illegal aliens and anchor babies. It costs money for ESL classes. Many anchor babies come to school not knowing a word of English and the Spanish they know is atrocious. A lot of resources have to be used on these kids. In addition, they have parents who pay little or no taxes.

WillSeattle --- Have fun with your pathetic AZ boycott. If you think that a huge boycott will gain traction, then you're dreaming. Don't believe it? Take a look at the various travel websites. People from all over the world are still coming into those forums and letting others know they are planning AZ vacations.

I visit AZ frequently, as does my father. He his full Hispanic, I am half-Hispanic. Neither of us has any worries or concerns---sorry to burst your bubbles, race-baiters and fear mongerers. We do in AZ as we do elsewhere---and that is obey the laws. AZ doesn't have so much money that LEOs can spend their entire shifts stopping random people on the streets and demand "papers". Even if they did, it's not going to happen like that. Pay attention---Hispanics go about their daily lives in AZ without any fears of being stopped.
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As for Tucson schools---La Raza has a charter school (congress gives La Raza your hard-earned tax dollars, BTW) in Tucson. There are stories of kids who were just fine before going there. When they come out, they are angry with a huge chip on their shoulders. They end up followers of the reconquista/Aztlan movement. Do you really want your tax dollars spent this way?

Posted by: two4three2 | May 12, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

And besides, if whites are holding minorities down, how come after decades of affirmative action they are still failing in schools and in the professions. I think the truth is a bitter pill to swallow in a multicultural society: multiple Bell Curves do exist.
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I guess that depends on how you look at it. A man who would have been a slave and not even considered human a mere 144 years ago, is President today. We've already had a black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, black governors, black mayors, black heads of major corporations, and so on. We've also had, and have, Latino governors and people in positions of influence. The number of successful and influential minorities are growing everyday. Not too bad for those who are "less talented." But, things take time. You talk about decades of affirmative action. You mean about 40 years, at best; about half of one lifetime. So don't give me that "why isn't everything fixed?" line of crap. And don't think for a moment that the full story has already been written. By the way, if you want to look at disasters, while you're looking at South Africa, you can also look at Bosnia. Don't be selective about it.

Posted by: sonny2 | May 12, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should just give back AZ to Mexico. Then, maybe, just maybe, the Govenor, McCain and Kyl, along with their minions would find out what it would be like to be a minority.

Posted by: hobsry7350 | May 12, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should just give back AZ to Mexico. Then, maybe, just maybe, the Govenor, McCain and Kyl, along with their minions would find out what it would be like to be a minority.

Posted by: hobsry7350 | May 12, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

People should know (and be proud of) their ethnic heritage. When the Polish plane crashed, I knew enough from my Polish-American course to put it into context.

This new Arizona law is, once again, ridiculous. We're all Americans but we all came from somewhere else.

As for white Arizonans being a minority, I think they just need to wait a few years for that to happen. Certainly within our lifetimes.

Posted by: chi-town | May 12, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should just give back AZ to Mexico. Then, maybe, just maybe, the Govenor, McCain and Kyl, along with their minions would find out what it would be like to be a minority.

Posted by: hobsry7350 | May 12, 2010 5:54 PM
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This is the typical liberal neanderthal thinking.

I wish liberals could get a few things through their backwards thinking thick skulls.

- Everyone knows the US has done bad things LIKE EVERY OTHER CIVILIZATION. However the good far outweighs the bad.

- Knowing the past is different than dwelling on it.

- All this sort of thing does is creates hate, resentment, racism and other negative feelings.

You neanderthal liberals want to see the product of your type of "social justice" thinking? Go to the Balkans where they have been killing each other for hundreds of years in the name of "social justice."

Quit dwelling on the past and hating people who have nothing to do with it. Move FORWARD not BACKWARDS and stop blaming everyone else for your inadequacies.

Posted by: Cryos | May 12, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

No, it's not. The law protects everyone, regardless of race. But I believe the minority occupation regime of Barak Obama shows that whites need to preserve their political self-determination. I do not want a race conscious black or Latino to be in a position of authority over me. Ever.I owe other minorities nothing and I'm tired of paying the black and Hispanic tax which transfers wealth from my family to less successful racial groups.
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Cry me a river. The times are changing. These "less successful racial groups" are less successful, primarily because white people held them down. Had I been stuck in Mississippi my whole life, with no ability to get a decent education, I'd be less successful too.

People like you are part of the problem in America. People like Barack Obama are part of the solution. So, by all means, preserve your white, political self determination. Move to Iceland, and don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Posted by: sonny2 | May 12, 2010 5:15 PM
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Here is one of many angry, bitter, chip on the shoulder vengeful posts just on this thread that are a result of neanderthal liberal thinking.

Look at the racism and hate in this post against "white people" who have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PAST.

Thanks to liberals to making a future civil war more likely instead of helping America heal its wounds and move forward.

Posted by: Cryos | May 12, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Don't even think about studying English Literature in AZ now.

Posted by: chi-town | May 12, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Per NY Daily News: "The measure doesn't prohibit classes that teach about the history of a particular ethnic group, as long as the course is open to all students and doesn't promote ethnic solidarity or resentment."

Not sure where the fire is here. Why's everyone freaking out about this?

If we have a few less school clubs limited to blacks only, or fewer classes on how Whitey stole Aztlan, that'd be nothing but a good thing. Let's teach what it means to be American and united in a better kind of pride, one that isn't based on skin color or ethnic origin.

Posted by: jcline1 | May 12, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

This bill doesn't outlaw Ethnic Studies classes. What it prohibits is Ethnic Studies classes that promote racism. I don't see the issue here.

What is prevents is the classes that exist in Tucson that create a hostile enviroment towards people from outside that ethnic group.

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Posted by: sallyworking2006 | May 12, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

This is the sort of behavior I expect to see in Communist countries. Nice job by the GOP of state sponsored fascism.

Posted by: Nymous | May 12, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

When my ancestors from Germany and Poland came here, they may have spent some time adjusting to their new home -- but to get ahead, they had to adapt to the culture -- and rightfully so. If they insisted on speaking their old language, kept their foolish ideas of governance from their old countries [the oppression of which religiously and politically is why they came here in the first place], and kept their loyalties not to the US but to Poland/Germany -- I doubt I'd be in such a privileged place as I find myself today.

I think it's great to learn about my own background -- and the background of others. But I see no reason for such high school "courses" to foster resentment toward any other race or class or to institutionalize some so-called "solidarity" that is exclusive to one ethnic or racial group. If some bigot was trying to offer white heritage only classes or give scholarships to white only students there would rightfully be a huge uproar. The same goes here, in my view.

As flawed as the original SB1070 was -- I think the amended version may work [I still have my concerns] -- but this measure on so-called "ethnic studies" signed by Governor Brewer is spot on. It's bad enough that these "studies" courses are offered as "majors" in many colleges. They promote segregation -- which I think is ironic -- and they dumb down the curriculum.

Posted by: chrojo01 | May 12, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

grantmh---You really are a racist! You're also a blithering idiot who knows nothing about Arizona. Did you know that when AZ made E-Verify usage it caused many illegals to bolt. And guess what, fool? Americans and legal immigrants stepped up to fill the void. My relative works in a restaurant in AZ. She tells us that white Americans are washing the dishes. You know---that's one of those jobs you claim "white people" won't do! Besides, Hispanic is not a race. Hispanics are often a mix of white, Indian and black.

Karenswright---Did it ever occur to you why AZ is ranked #51 in education? For years, they've been overwhelmed by illegal aliens and anchor babies. It costs money for ESL classes. Many anchor babies come to school not knowing a word of English and the Spanish they know is atrocious. A lot of resources have to be used on these kids. In addition, they have parents who pay little or no taxes.

WillSeattle --- Have fun with your pathetic AZ boycott. If you think that a huge boycott will gain traction, then you're dreaming. Don't believe it? Take a look at the various travel websites. People from all over the world are still coming into those forums and letting others know they are planning AZ vacations.

I visit AZ frequently, as does my father. He his full Hispanic, I am half-Hispanic. Neither of us has any worries or concerns---sorry to burst your bubbles, race-baiters and fear mongerers. We do in AZ as we do elsewhere---and that is obey the laws. AZ doesn't have so much money that LEOs can spend their entire shifts stopping random people on the streets and demand "papers". Even if they did, it's not going to happen like that. Pay attention---Hispanics go about their daily lives in AZ without any fears of being stopped.
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As for Tucson schools---La Raza has a charter school (congress gives La Raza your hard-earned tax dollars, BTW) in Tucson. There are stories of kids who were just fine before going there. When they come out, they are angry with a huge chip on their shoulders. They end up followers of the reconquista/Aztlan movement. Do you really want your tax dollars spent this way?

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Good post. Pay attention, critics.

Posted by: bethg1841 | May 12, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

chrojo01: you were doing so well, then you launched into this.

"If some bigot was trying to offer white heritage only classes or give scholarships to white only students there would rightfully be a huge uproar."

Technically the Classics is a "white heritage only class." So is Quantum Mechanics. European and white American folks invented the modern age and the democracy we live in. It is of singular importance to the globe and to human history and deserves to be studied on its own merits.

Posted by: greg3 | May 12, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe we should just give back AZ to Mexico."

Maybe we should give our Mexicans back to Mexico.

Posted by: greg3 | May 12, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

If this new bill/law came about to truly enforce cultural unity and a sense of brotherhood in which all individuals are judged equally, most truly ‘educated’ people would strongly support it. It is very clear that the creators/supporters of these new policies have spawned them with malice, nicely disguised under the shroud of fear.

Posted by: acastilla | May 12, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

....It is very clear that the creators/supporters of these new policies have spawned them with malice, nicely disguised under the shroud of fear.

Posted by: acastilla

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Liberal rhetoric. Can you back that up with proof that malice was AZ's motivation?

Posted by: bethg1841 | May 12, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

If someone started an ethnic studies course that focused solely on whites and their accomplishments, they'd be criticized as racists.

There is no place in an American education curriculum for ethnic studies that do nothing more than divide and Balkanize Americans more than they are already.

And yes, I'm an immigrant, but a legal one.

Kudos to Arizona!

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Posted by: itkonlyyou56 | May 12, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the support, bethg1841! It's much appreciated!

For the majority who back Arizona --- If you haven't yet, go to:
www.janbrewer.com
to show your support. It's easy to do and you will be surprised to see just how many people have done so!

Posted by: two4three2 | May 12, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, some Anglophiles will not be happy until French language classes are all taught in English. Some Chavez chauvinists will not be happy until all Bergman and Fellini films are dubbed in Spanish.

Will someone please advocate for the Aristotlian mean between extremes? Or is that too...uh...Greek?

Why do so many posters assume that students are only interested in learning about their own culture, language, or heritage? Or that writers and academics should not explore old vistas with a new lens?

For example, an illuminating book called "1491," by Charles C. Mann, proves that students studying sociology, geography, political science, economics, biology, history, and religious studies can all benefit from reading this fascinating work of non-fiction about civilization in North America, Central America, and South America before and during European settlement.

It is possible to expect that perhaps the governor is trying to ensure that all students will reap the benefits of such knowledge, rather than limiting the study
of such works to those enrolled in Native-American and Latin American studies.

Yet, unless the new Arizona law assumes responsibility for ensuring intradepartmental and/or multidisciplinary academic inclusion of diversified studies, such useful and fascinating knowledge would likely become lost entirely in the higher education curricullums. That would portend a tragic disadvantage for all Americans, and for students all over the globe.

Posted by: caroljmcvey | May 12, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

"Why do so many posters assume that students are only interested in learning about their own culture, language, or heritage?"

As any teacher in a school with a Hispanic majority student body will tell you, a large majority aren't interested in learning anything.

Posted by: greg3 | May 12, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

The problem is that it isn’t the only one. Legislators in many states seem intent on dictating to educators how to do their jobs, even though the lawmakers don’t really have a clue.

We tried this once before, in a big law called No Child Left Behind, which was designed with the input of not a single teacher, and which spectacularly failed in its goal to close the achievement gap.
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If Educators would do their jobs teaching the basics (math and English),lawmakers wouldn't have much of an excuse to interfere. Problem is Educators are failing to teach the basics. 10/10 that Arizona is failing to teach the basics- yet they have a curriculum full of multicultural classes. Some good ethnic pride is going to do you if you can't graduate.

Furthermore, there would be No Child Left Behind if Educators and Administrators were doing their jobs.

Posted by: moebius22 | May 13, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

It's sad...we've become a country of hate.

Posted by: svivar9087 | May 13, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

"The bill, about which I wrote last week, prohibits any classes that:

* Promote the overthrow of the United States government.
* Promote resentment toward a race or class of people.
* Are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group.
* Advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals."

What part of the language of this bill is bad. Could you imagine the outrage if they had a Neo Nazi or Black Panther class in public school funded with tax payer money. Here is a quote out of the first paragraph of Occupied America: A History of Chicanos (6th Edition), one of the books that the Tucson school in question was teaching.

"The purpose of adding to this fourth edition a chapter on pre-1821 Mexico is an attempt to counteract the trend among some indigenous ethno historians to romanticize the survival of indigenous Mexicans of the Spanish invasion and colonization. To their credit these scholars point out that the natives aggressively resisted the excesses of conquest and colonization. To their credit these scholars point out that the natives aggressively resisted the excesses of conquest and colonization. However, in the context of today’s culture war, I feel uncomfortable with this survivalist interpretation because it absolves the Spaniards and ultimately Europe of responsibility for their past actions. A narrative in which there are no victims masks the class and racial disparities created by colonialism that make armed revolt such as in Chiapas highly probable today. In the context of present day politics, it also sends the not-too-subtle message that minorities can also survive inferior schools, a lack of medical care, racism, and class oppression."

Is this the message we want to teach our kids. We talk about a world where race and ethnicity don't matter. Why are we letting these people pollute minds of our children in this country into thinking they are victims of the evil white man still in 2010. I will agree that the history books are written in the writers favor and I’ am for corrections for the actual accounts but to teach our children to uphold the grudges of our ancestors is not the right direction. The people that write and teach books like this don’t have any answers, all they do is try and spread hate. I applaud Arizona and Gov Brewer for this new law, its something everyone should applaud. This class teaches hate just as much as the teaching's of the Nazi's and until we can get over our ancestors battles it is impossible to reach an ethnic and racial free world. Again I’m not saying don’t teach the history; just don’t teach ethnic/race inferiority, superiority, or grudges.

Posted by: William2010 | May 13, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

"The bill, about which I wrote last week, prohibits any classes that:

* Promote the overthrow of the United States government.
* Promote resentment toward a race or class of people.
* Are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group.
* Advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals."

What part of the language of this bill is bad. Could you imagine the outrage if they had a Neo Nazi or Black Panther class in public school funded with tax payer money. Here is a quote out of the first paragraph of Occupied America: A History of Chicanos (6th Edition), one of the books that the Tucson school in question was teaching.

"The purpose of adding to this fourth edition a chapter on pre-1821 Mexico is an attempt to counteract the trend among some indigenous ethno historians to romanticize the survival of indigenous Mexicans of the Spanish invasion and colonization. To their credit these scholars point out that the natives aggressively resisted the excesses of conquest and colonization. To their credit these scholars point out that the natives aggressively resisted the excesses of conquest and colonization. However, in the context of today’s culture war, I feel uncomfortable with this survivalist interpretation because it absolves the Spaniards and ultimately Europe of responsibility for their past actions. A narrative in which there are no victims masks the class and racial disparities created by colonialism that make armed revolt such as in Chiapas highly probable today. In the context of present day politics, it also sends the not-too-subtle message that minorities can also survive inferior schools, a lack of medical care, racism, and class oppression."

Is this the message we want to teach our kids. We talk about a world where race and ethnicity don't matter. Why are we letting these people pollute minds of our children in this country into thinking they are victims of the evil white man still in 2010. I will agree that the history books are written in the writers favor and I’ am for corrections for the actual accounts but to teach our children to uphold the grudges of our ancestors is not the right direction. The people that write and teach books like this don’t have any answers, all they do is try and spread hate. I applaud Arizona and Gov Brewer for this new law, its something everyone should applaud. This class teaches hate just as much as the teaching's of the Nazi's and until we can get over our ancestors battles it is impossible to reach an ethnic and racial free world. Again I’m not saying don’t teach the history; just don’t teach ethnic/race inferiority, superiority, or grudges.

Posted by: William2010 | May 13, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"This is America. Which means that any persons living in this country who are not American Indian, are descendants of immigrants"

Hey Sparky, black Americans didn't "immigrate" to the good ole USA.

Posted by: massmedia77 | May 13, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

When did "Ethnic Studies" become "How to Overthrow the Government" class? These classes teach history from another angle. A diverse knowledge of history is not going to cause someone to spontaneously overthrow the government. (BTW, I think that the AZ governor could probably teach such a class.) All Americans should have the right to choose what they want to learn- and should definitely not be prohibited from learning certain things. What's next? Burning textbooks that make the AZ Governor uneasy? We are not drones, not numbers. We are not products of the direction and instruction that the government deems suitable. We have a choice, how dare anyone take that away!? And the reason? Because these classes "Promote resentment toward a race or class of people..." Well what do you think the BANNING of an ethnic group's class is going to promote? That their culture is not important to America? That there is nothing worth learning about any other culture? How are we going to teach history at all? With the exception of Native Americans, we're all immigrants!!! We are a melting-pot people! Just because you were born here, does not give you any more importance in this world or this country.

I don't know what spurred the AZ government to begin such a stream of bias lawmaking, but enough's enough. Wasn't the point of the new "Immigration Law" to help cut down the number of jobs lost to illegal immigrants? How? AZ has already lost 6 to 10 million dollars in canceled meetings / canceled tourism ventures. What jobs will there be left to argue over?

Posted by: hcote | May 13, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

hcote,
With the majority of the nation backing Arizona's move on a MSNBC poll you really think this boycott is going to change thier mind. Lets see they could either remain as the kidnap capital of the US and do business with CA or do something about it and get money elsewhere. Im pretty sure they can get there money elsewhere. Also to boot Southern California will always do business with AZ because who else will they get there electricity from.

On your other point if you actually read the bill you would find there is no part that bans ethnic history classes.

Posted by: William2010 | May 13, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

No more government funded racist programs, PERIOD!... Then, maybe we can live together without the racists corrupting our children's minds and hearts. Good going, Arizona...

Posted by: DL13 | May 13, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Ethnic studies are interesting to some people in the same way that other people are Civil War Buffs. Ethnic studies usually contain cultural and historical information and highlight contributions of members of the group to our country.

It is misleading to teach our country's history or literature without including "ethnic" studies. All time world famous novel? Miguel Cervantes' Don Quijote. Is that threatening to the US? Of course not. One group can't take the credit or the blame for everything and there are great authors in Latin American and other Spanish speaking countries. Cutting out learning about them would be dumbing down the population.

If these courses in Arizona were taught in a one-sided way, then change the approach, don't outlaw the courses.

Posted by: celestun100 | May 13, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The new law is not out to disband fascist groups. It is a law to ban “ethnic studies”. If the law does not target ethnic history classes & only classes that “Promote resentment toward a race or class of people,” my question is this: Who decides? I don’t believe that a government entity should decide the curriculum for our children. Especially when the move is much more about political statement than the education of our youth.

Lastly, I am not arguing that Arizona should not do this on because of a boycott threat. I am saying that the people of Arizona will suffer great economic loss because of this. And wasn’t that what they were trying to avoid?

Posted by: hcote | May 13, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"I am a teacher who is in the minority since I am a right wing conservative. I do believe that we need to teach children facts without our personal beliefs which is hard to do if you really believe in what you are teaching." Right wing conservatives are in the minority because very few of them believe in facts. True conservatives believe in particular principles of government, but there are very few true conservatives these days. And if viejo70 believes in teaching children facts, that makes him or her a minority among right wing conservatives.

By the way, just how many schools in Arizona teach ethnic studies classes specifically to that ethnic group? I attended college when ethnic studies was a beginning discipline, and all classes were open to all students, and in my college at least were attended by all ethnic groups.

Posted by: sideswiththekids | May 13, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The fact that some lip service was paid to prohibiting or enabling sedition is a red herring. This bill is so broad that it essential precludes teaching ANY SUBJECT in ANY CLASS that would be preceived to:

*Promote the overthrow of the United States government.
* Promote resentment toward a race or class of people.
* Are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group.
* Advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals.

The last three are troubling because who determines what could promote "resentment", what is "primarily designed" for a "particular ethnic group" or "advocate ethnic solidarity".


The U.S. prides itself on the fact that this country was built on a nation of immigrants from all countries that contributed to the county. Each ethnic group has it's own story with good points and bad points. The very foundation of this colonization of this country was based on people seeking freedom of oppression because they were of a particular class or religion. So the very teaching of that would essentially qualify as "promoting" that class or religion.


This would lead to the further sanitization of American-history and could lead to the mutilation of the history of significant movements in the U.S. that made this country what it is today. Essentally, the civil rights movement, the history of the Native-Americans, slavery, the socio-economic factors that lead to the civil war would all be out of bounds because all of these subject could be interpreted as advocating "ethnic solidarity" or "promoting resentment".


Unfortunately history is what it is. You can't cherry pick what you want know and pretend that the rest of it never happened. It's important to KNOW ALL of this history, good and bad. And it's frightening that an educator would want to censor history just because there are some negative aspects in the truth of things.

Posted by: lharris11 | May 13, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

hcote,
Where are you getting this great economic loss that Arizona is going to have deal with idea. Right now the largest reason that people are questioning if they should vacation or retire in AZ are looking at the crime and kidnapping rates. Also no matter how you put it the public school system is part of the government and paid for by the taxpayers. Are you asking to have teachers accountable to no one, come on. The schools will always have some one making the rules for them for the same reason people need laws to follow. Weather your in a public school, charter school, or private school the money comes from some where and who ever it comes from attaches strings. Its same problem with scientific studies. Its just not possible to provide blind funding with no accountability, even if that existed there is still some one with an agenda in charge making the rules. Better an elected official who is accountable to the public. We will see next election how the people of Arizona feel about thier laws. The funny thing is there are no giant protests or riots in AZ makeing the news. Its everyone in every other state complaning about a law that doesnt affect them.

Posted by: William2010 | May 13, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Here's my take on it:

This country was founded on immigrants and their belief for a better life. That is no different today with the immigrants coming into the U.S whether it be illegal or legal.
I think that we forget that immigrants are people and usually view them like animals which in my opinion is very sad. We claim to be an advanced group of people but how can we make that claim when we haven't even overcome the hurdle of race?! I find it to be ridiculous that we are still having this debate. It makes it seem like MLK jr's efforts to erradicate discrimination and racism, futile.
I have heard a lot of people make comments about illegal immigrants that don't make any sense. People seem to always point fingers at them when illegal immigrants decide to look for aide. I don't hear people complaining about the low prices of fruits and vegetables they buy at the store. It is no secret that illegal immigrants work some of the hardest jobs for the littlest pay. The Arizona laws against immigration and the specific cultural studies are appalling. It seems that the U.S is reverting back to the past. No matter how much the Arizona government claims that they are doing all they can to limit racial profiling, it can't be done! Why? Because the entities enforcing the laws are humans! Humans are the most imperfect being on this earth. Imperfect entities enforcing laws equal imperfect laws! I do not side with any governmental party because they are a joke. I side with human rights and these laws are impeding them. I am a soldier for all and I am reporting for duty.
-- Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Posted by: SiVisPacem_ParaBellum | May 13, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Very simply, I read it. http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/13/news/economy/arizona_boycott_immigration/index.htm. that's not the article I read last night, but it'll suffice. The 2011 Republican National Convention decided against holding the event in AZ . . .the event held there years ago created tons of jobs and an overall revenue of 150 million dollars. And the MBA is being pressured to boycott as well. . .which would cost AZ another 160 million. Now, I don't think the boycott is right. It punishes the wrong people. But it's a fact that the boycott will cause economic turmoil in an already suffering in AZ. Research it, sir. And as for the rest of your comment, I certainly believe that the school system and it's curriculum should be accountable. . . .to the School Board officials that we elect each year. I refuse to accept that a school's curriculum should be shaped by politically powered nonsense. Lastly, please don't single me out, when there are many others here with the same views. I'd rather not be addressed directly by someone that spells "makeing" as such. :)

Posted by: hcote | May 13, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

What do they want to do in Arizona, rewrite history? Perhaps in an effort to not cause resentment towards the Nazis, Arizona would like to present WWII as the Jews happily dancing into the concentration camps and the ovens? Or maybe, the "slaves" (oh wait, that has a negative connotation)...the "plantation workers" asked to be treated like animals by their owners, and being benevolent and accommodating, the owners acquiesced? And yes, those "pesky" Native Americans who caused all the problems with Manifest Destiny...darn them; they shouldn't have resisted because their resistance caused all the bloodshed.

According to Thetakeaway.org, the bill specifically targets Tucson school district's Mexican-American studies program.

The lawmakers of Arizona and their supporters (from everywhere) are xenophobes. They want to be insulated with their views and not be willing to accept that we live in a global society; all they are doing is their ignorance and intolerance. I pity them.

Posted by: escargot | May 13, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Arizona chapter of Phi Beta Kappa will be renamed "The Spunky Scholars' Junket."

Posted by: caroljmcvey | May 14, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Did you read a one-sided press release as your only source for this article?

helllloooooooo ... real journalism & information please?!

Posted by: caronarizona | May 14, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Some of the comments I've read here are pretty ignorant. The illegals are not the ones draining the social services because they can not apply or receive those services; only residents and citizens can. Also, people should know what their talking about before the open their mouth because if you look up government statistics you will find that approx. 80 plus percent of the welfare recipients are white/anglo not african-american who receive about 17% and latinos 12%. I've lived in Arizona and its easy to see who drains the system and it aint the minorities; you know who you are in towns like florence, coolidge, oracle, Casa Grande, Tonopah, etc... One last thing, Ethnic Studies courses are taken by legal residents and citizens who can attend universities, not ilegals. Get right or keep it shut.

Posted by: danielmtz7 | May 18, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

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