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Report: Ortiz, Ramirez Tested Positive in 2003

According to a report in the New York Times, former Red Sox teammates Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz are both on the 2003 list of Major League Baseball players who tested positive for performance enhancing drugs.

Michael S. Schmidt broke the story for the Times, citing interviews with multiple lawyers and other officials who have knowledge of which players are on the list. Schmidt has yet to confront Ramirez about the purported results (his agent, Scott Boras, issued a no comment), but the reporter claims Ortiz offered up an almost self-defeated sounding "no comment" when asked about what substances he may have taken.

"I'm not talking about that anymore," he said. "I have no comment."

Ramirez has already been linked with the list, though this officially links his name with the steroids taint, and does so before the Red Sox won the World Series. As for Ortiz, some wondered in hushed tones when his power decreased precipitously last year whether he was also a former PED user, but this is the first time that his name has been connected by any media that claimed to cite reputable sources.

Obviously, if the reports do prove to be true, the immediate questions raised will all focus on 2004 and 2007, the seasons in which the Red Sox mounted ferocious rallies en route to World Series titles. Ortiz was perhaps the pivotal figure in that 2004 rally, lifting Boston to walk-off wins in Games 3 and 4 at Fenway Park before helping the Red Sox offense slip past the Yankees and into the World Series back at Yankee Stadium. Ramirez then went on to earn MVP honors in the 2004 World Series.

And they both may have been doping at the time.

How does this change what Boston has achieved since 2003? Does the Red Sox front office deserve any responsibility for harboring Ramirez and Ortiz on their watch? Or was all of baseball so full of cheating players that Boston deserves the same wash that other teams get? What do people think?

By Cameron Smith  |  July 30, 2009; 2:17 PM ET
Categories:  Red Sox  | Tags: David Ortiz, Dodgers, Manny Ramirez, Red Sox, manny ramirez, media, steroids  
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Insert surprised face here :O

This only makes sense. Manny gets busted this year but who knows when he started juicing. Clearly by the 2004 season. As for Big Papi, it completely explains his dramatic drop-off in production this season. He can't seem to get over those nagging injuries while not on the juice. That seems to be the trend for the big guys. See McGwire 1991-92. Likely trying to get off the juice during those years.

To answer the question, I don't see how it changes anything. You can't asterick or take away a title from an entire team because a few guys were juicing, even if it was their 3-4 hitters. Shame on them. It certainly taints their accomplishments and its another black eye for Boston. Now Yankee fans have even more ammo when teasing the Sox fans, as the legitimacy of their recent titles can be called into question.

Posted by: PhilliesPhan | July 30, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Every one says bicycling has problems, but that is because they look and act. First positive, 2 year suspension, no appeal if B sample also tests positive. Second positive life ban no appeal. Oh and all professional have to give consent to be test at any time and any place randomly and a percentage are test at each event.

Posted by: crete | July 30, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

A)Let's wait and see what the substance was
B)Release the entire freakin' list

Posted by: tmodelford | August 4, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

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