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Is racism keeping Jermaine Dye out of baseball?

That was the insinuation made by Orlando Hudson, the veteran second baseman of the Minnesota Twins, in a column penned by Yahoo baseball scribe (and former Post intern) Jeff Passan.

"You see guys like Jermaine Dye without a job," Hudson told Passan. "Guy with [27 homers and 81 RBI] and can't get a job. Pretty much sums it up right there, no? You've got some guys who miss a year who can come back and get $5, $6 million, and a guy like Jermaine Dye can't get a job. A guy like Gary Sheffield, a first-ballot Hall of Famer, can't get a job."

Then, Hudson practically dares Passan to write it: "We both know what it is. You'll get it right. You'll figure it out. I'm not going to say it because then I'll be in [trouble]."

Passan's piece came just hours after media reports suggested the Washington Nationals' recent talks with Dye are essentially dead. And Dye himself told MLB.com's Bill Ladson he isn't willing to uproot his family from Arizona unless a team overwhelms him with an offer:

"When you get offers from a lot of teams that are in the $1 million range, that's a negative in itself, no matter what," Dye, 36, said. "I definitely want to play. I'm working out, staying in shape and just wait for the right situation."

So, is it racism? Or is it a combination of Dye's asking price (which itself might stem from a combination of pride and family circumstances) and the obvious shift over the past few years in baseball's free agent market, which no longer assigns as high a value to aging, defensively challenged outfielders -- even those who still have some power?

I think it's more about the latter. I'm not going to argue there's no racism in baseball -- and I certainly am not criticizing Hudson for speaking his mind (in fact, I find such honesty refreshing) -- but I doubt it's the reason Dye is unsigned. Fact is, the going rate right now for late-30s outfielders who play poor defense is $1 million or less. Garret Anderson, a 37-year-old outfielder who, like Dye, is African-American, is making $550,000 this season for the Los Angeles Dodgers. Jim Edmonds, a (white) 39-year-old outfielder who sat out the 2008 season (but who still plays credible defense), is making $850,000 from the Brewers. Both Anderson and Edmonds signed minor-league deals that became guaranteed once they made their respective teams' rosters.

It's not as if Dye has received no offers. And if all of those offers are in the same range -- well, that's another issue entirely, and one the union is examining as we speak.

But, to use the Nationals as an example, their current depth chart in right field goes something like this: Willie Harris (African American), Willy Taveras (Dominican), Roger Bernadina (Curacaon), Cristian Guzman (Dominican) and Justin Maxwell (African American).

They're not looking for someone who is white -- or black. They're looking for someone who is good -- and cheap.

By Dave Sheinin  |  April 13, 2010; 9:25 AM ET
 
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Silly article..36 yr old ballplayers, white or black, aren't in high demand. The only person keeping Dye out of baseball is Dye since he doesn't want to play for 1 mill a year. Throwing race into the mix is asinine.

Posted by: Ratzoe | April 13, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

"When you get offers from a lot of teams that are in the $1 million range, that's a negative in itself, no matter what." Sprewell and Dye should have a telethon to feed their families.

Posted by: theskinnypost | April 13, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Is that what it has come to now? Dye is 36 and won't take less than $1 million so it's racism? Idiotic!

Posted by: jrsconstruction | April 13, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I thought the Nats had offered him a contract but he said that he was not enough. I wonder if it was racism when he was younger and pulling in millions of dollars :)

Posted by: fearturtle44 | April 13, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Check out my response on nats journal concerning Jermaine Dye under the Tracee Hamilton post.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 13, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"When you get offers from a lot of teams that are in the $1 million range, that's a negative in itself, no matter what," Dye, 36, said.

In terms of total dollars, that's probably something like 3 or 4 times what Jackie Robinson made in his entire career. The rate of inflation renders that comparison useless of course, but still, $1 million to work less than half the year is hardly an insult. It certainly puts him in the top 1% of wage earners, and that during a period of extremely high unemployment.

Some people don't know how easy they've got it. Here's hoping he doesn't learn that fact the hard way.

Posted by: Fairfax6 | April 13, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Keep on beating that dead horse people. Whitey's not buying that song anymore.

Posted by: DCFanatic | April 13, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Dave,

Thank you for not altogether dismissing the racism issue. Race continues to be an issue in our society and in baseball, and it doesn't surprise me that Orlando Hudson would suggest that race might be part of the Dye situation. It is so easy for white folk to dismiss the race issue, but then again we've never experienced either the direct or subtle racism that thrives in our country.

For another example of an aging outfielder with below average defensive skills signed for less than he wanted (but who then later cashed in) see Bobby Abreu. Granted, he got $5m in 2009, but much less than the multi-year, $40+m deal he was looking for.

Posted by: chrisduckworth | April 13, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I don't think racism is the culprit here, but perhaps market economics and his age. He has done quite well for himself considering he has 13 years of work in MLB and collected almost 75 million dollars for his efforts.

Mr. Dye's salary since 1996 using http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dyeje01.shtml as a reference.

1996 Atlanta Braves $109,000
1997 Kansas City Royals $175,000
1998 Kansas City Royals $230,000
1999 Kansas City Royals $260,000
2000 Kansas City Royals $2,300,000
2001 Kansas City Royals $3,800,000
2002 Oakland Athletics $7,166,667
2003 Oakland Athletics $11,666,667
2004 Oakland Athletics $11,666,667
2005 Chicago White Sox $4,000,000
2006 Chicago White Sox $5,000,000
2007 Chicago White Sox $7,500,000
2008 Chicago White Sox $9,500,000
2009 Chicago White Sox $11,500,000
Career (may be incomplete) $74,874,001

Posted by: sap_669 | April 13, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I do believe that racism is an issue in baseball and society. However, I do not believe that Dye's situation is the result of racism. Not even a little bit.

Posted by: Gambrills4 | April 13, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Perfomance. Based. Contract.

Posted by: mikey999 | April 13, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Yet another professional athlete who doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut. Retard.

Posted by: futbolclif | April 13, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Thats right, its all MLB's fault Jermaine Dye is unemployed. Thanks Orlando for reminding the unwashed masses. How's it working out for you there in lilly white Minnesota?

Tory Hunter and now Orlando Hudson providing us all with a teachable moment. What a load of hooey! Hey Orlando you could have come here to DC and had instant "street cred" with thousands of black kids who have given up on baseball, but you played your hand and the Nats got tired of your game. Thanks for "keeping it real"!

Posted by: TippyCanoe | April 13, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I didn't know that Orlando Hudson is an idiot before this article. Thank God we didn't get him.

Posted by: shanks1 | April 13, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Dave...

I am glad you find Hudson's remarks "refreshing". I find them irresponsible.

Way to weasel out of offending Orlando Hudson by making such a lame remark. Hudson's view was prejudicial in itself and was a result of his own misguided and misinformed opinion.

You readers did a better job of pointing that out than you did. Why is that?

No guts...

Posted by: muddapucker | April 13, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

It's important to remember that Bobby Abreu re-established his value and got a bigger contract after the $5 M year.

I think the argument would have more merit if he played better defense. A number of players have left the game recently because they couldn't get the salary they wanted, or couldn't find a job at all. Mike Piazza retired unwillingly a few years ago, his defense too poor to allow him to do anything but DH, and his offensive stats not as good as they had been. Dye had a decent offensive year last year, but not the year before. His offense isn't a sure enough thing to pay a lot to put him in RF.

I don't find it at all offensive or annoying that some folks might think racism is involved, I just think it is unlikely to be the main factor here.

+1/2St.

Posted by: kevincostello | April 13, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Look Jermaine Dye doesn't want to play in washington i think that's obvious and so far no other team think's he warrant's a look what bother's me more than the Dye situation is the way Elijah Duke's was treated by the Nat's during spring training to this day i don't remember hearing or reading a reason for his release.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 13, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

One must remember the AAM (African-American Mantra):

Anytime anything negative happens to any African-American anywhere, the ONLY reason it happened is because of white racism.

Living by such a mantra makes it much easier to avoid personal responsibility for one's situation in life and to simply blame others for whatever makes you unhappy. Pathetic and childish, but apparently quite a pervasive viewpoint at every economic level of the A-A community.

P.S. For a million dollars a year, I would shovel s*** or dig ditches or just about anything; for Mr. Dye, such an offer is an insult from Whitey. Hudson and Dye are both jerks for believing and perpetuating such harmful and irresponsible myths.

Posted by: mr_bill_10 | April 13, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Well, we all know whenever a black person fails in America it's always because of a white person, not because of the black person's deficiencies. Personally, this whole thought process about this subject in baseball just irritates me. The Nationals were the worst fielding team in baseball last year. They have publicly stated they need to upgrade their defense. Jermaine Dye, although I'm sure a good guy and certainly a good bat, is a terrible fielder. It's not because he's black - it's because he's not really a good fit and he's asking for too much money. I think Orlando needs to apologize himself for being a racist.

Posted by: AsstGM | April 13, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

They're not looking for someone who is white -- or black. They're looking for someone who is good -- and cheap.
-----------------------------
And that's the bottom line...

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | April 13, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

As a black man and huge baseball fan I'm disappointed in Orlando Hudson's comments. I like to know how he's going to fit in up in Minnesota with his comments now. They are not all that "colorful" in that part of the world.

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | April 13, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Jermaine Dye doesn't have a job because he batted .100 after the all-star break. Just ask my fantasy team if you don't believe me.

Posted by: dwolfe1519 | April 13, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"Yet another professional athlete who doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut. Retard."

Yeah really.

I have no sympathy for today's athletes when they get cut from a team or can't land a multi-million dollar contract.

Make them get REAL jobs and see how good a mil a year looks.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 13, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

As the poster above notes, in the second half of last year, Dye hit .179 with 7 homers in 212 at bats. A slugging average of .297. Mario Mendoza would snicker over those numbers.

A 36-year old outfielder with those stats is just not going to have a lot of suitors at his door. Not if he wants the money that Dye does.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 13, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The Brewers tried to work something out with Dye earlier. It appears that he wants more money than these teams want to give.

Players wanting more than teams are willing to spend? That's as old a story as baseball itself.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 13, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

As a Black man, these comments offend me. It is NOT racism when you are offered a job at or near market value and you choose not to accept it. It would be racism if he couldn't get a job he was qualified for at any price.

It's disrepectful to the memory of our Civil Rights heroes when people trivialize this issue.

Posted by: hoos3014 | April 13, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Bobby Abreu was born in Venezuela.

Look, there's still too much racism in America. Too many good black Americans are denied jobs or loans or are treated unfairly by society.

Those are facts. Have we made progress? Yes. Are we "there" yet. No way.

But I can't see the Dye situation as an example of those injustices.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 13, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Jermaine you are essentially a DH who doesn't hit for average. 27 homers when based on what a guy like Ortiz did for Boston several years ago from the DH slot is pretty pedestrian.

The Nationals already have one defensively challenged former outfielder in Dunn that they are trying at first base.

But Dunn is 6 years younger and hits for a lot more power.

Posted by: leopard09 | April 13, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I am so glad that we did not sign Orlando Hudson. He is such an asinine jerk.

Posted by: dcsprtsfn75 | April 13, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"A guy like Gary Sheffield, a first-ballot Hall of Famer, can't get a job."

Gee, are you sure it isn't because Sheff's a bit of an a$$hat?
Keep talking, Orlando. We're learning more and more about you all the time.

Posted by: WaPoPimp | April 13, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Sheffield can't get a job because he's off the 'roids and can't hit or field anymore. Orlando Hudson's a dishonest moron.

Posted by: ShovelPlease | April 13, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeesh. Try following your own advice for a change, champ.

-----

Yet another professional athlete who doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut. Retard.

Posted by: JohninMpls | April 13, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Wait a second: Hudson has every right to give his views on baseball and other matters. In fact, if he truly thinks that race is behind this, he has an obligation to sound out.

I'm not faulting him for that.

I'm faulting him for the basis of opinion; not that he's giving it.

I don't see much substance behind it.

Let's criticize the opinion and not the man.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 13, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

A lawsuit should be filed immediately, and only then can equality be achieved among the rich ballplayers.

Posted by: cr10 | April 13, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Dude was on 'Cribs'...gonna have to sell those 10 cars and that Hacienda in the desert and downsize soon...He needs that paper

Posted by: kahlua87 | April 13, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Jackie Robinson would have to say about this? That man went through hell. Staying in separate hotel rooms, not being able to eat with his teammates, death threats, racial slurs, etc.

I think Orlando should have thought it over a little more before popping off and playing the "Racism" card.

Posted by: Section505203 | April 13, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Racism is certainly alive and well in America. Is Jermaine Dye's "plight" a result of it? I definitely think not. And as a white non-racist, comments like Hudson's tick me off a lot.

Don't cry wolf, dude.

Posted by: McLobo | April 13, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Some of the comments like Mr bill 10 and Asst.gm have expressed make me think that Orlando Hudson is right, look i wrote a post earlier on the Nat's Journal blog this morning very critical of Jermaine Dye's comments which appeared in usa today's sport section, Hudson has a right to his opinion he play's in the league, none of us who have commented on the subject play in the majors and not one of us are privy to information concerning Dye's negotiations with the Nat's but Hudson may or may not have talked to Dye remember the league is a fraternity,that being said Dye doesn't want to play here that much is fact and given his production or lack thereof over the last half of the season.the Nat's should shop elsewhere.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 13, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what to attribute to Dye's situation as the cause, but it looks to me like there's a problem with race when it comes to signing Elijah Dukes. I cannot believe that nobody has picked him up. There are a whole bunch of teams that could use someone like him, including the Nats. I don't think it's racism so much as it's fear - you know, if you're a button-down pencil-neck ivy league GM, and you're used to dealing with certain types of people. I mean, you can't live your life in fear of big black men, because you'll never get anything done. So what if Dukes is scary - I get the impression he's smarter and more sensitive than a lot of these knuckleheads in baseball that skipped college. Dye, I have no sympathy for, but Dukes is on the bread line, and nobody's giving him a shot. Well, if fear is racism, and some people say it is, then yeah, it's racism that's keeping Dukes off a major league club. It's pathetic to typecast someone since he hasn't done anything wrong for the last two years. He's done NOTHING WRONG>

Posted by: Brue | April 13, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Calling the race card on this only hurt's real victims of racism. One could eaisily beleive the only racist is the one making the accusation [ baseball is white and Dye is the victimized black man ]. I beleive racists come in all colors.

The bottom line is Dye is old for a ballplayer and he turned down a million dollars! That's capitalism not racism.

Posted by: sbf845 | April 13, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Brue; i too can't understand; A) why Dukes was cut B)how the Nats of all people could cut him. C)why no other team has picked him up. I wrote a week ago that i thought Riggleman/Rizzo were either badmouthing this kid or staying silent when other teams inquired you know the basic "no comment" Dukes has skills and i thought this might be his year(.280/25/75 but cutting him for no reason and even more mind boggling platooning players who are not as good as Dukes is stupid and counter-productive to the overall bottom line of this team, WINS!!!

Posted by: dargregmag | April 13, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Jermaine or Orlando graduated from the same race baiting/ race card school as Jesse Jackson or Rev. Al Sharpton.

Posted by: chamidi | April 13, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Am I missing something? Where did Dye say race had anything to do with anything? All I've seen is that he said he didn't want to move east for $1 million and he thought he's worth more than that.

Posted by: markfromark | April 13, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

It seems like, when someone doesnt get there way. they just play the "race card" Dye, its not cause your black. Why do people keep using race, as an excuse? that excuse would of worked, 60 years ago. NOT ANYMORE! Jermaine. Your just too greedy. Nats gave you more then a million dollars. and you said no. You get what you deserve. If your not willing to take millions of dollars from teams. Either its that or retire. Then go retire already.

Posted by: samrosen8 | April 13, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

If Orlando Hudson sees racism in this, then he's the real racist. This is a serious charge and it should not be thrown about haphazardly.

Posted by: HughJassPhD | April 14, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

As we approach Jackie Robinson Day we should not take Orlando Hudson's accusation's so lightly, just look at this franchise and the Elijah Duke's situation.Jim Riggleman and Mike Rizzo decide to release Dukes who for all intent and purpose was the rightfielder to beat before spring training started and to this day no reason has been given as to why the kid was released.Elijah Dukes didn't even get the benefit of being allowed to "play out the string"(finish spring training). I've followed baseball all my life,played the game for almost 30yrs.as an african american i follow the game intently(box scores,stats,etc.) The situation concerning Dukes bothers me a great deal it was just a few years ago that Stan Kasten fired Frank Robinson as the manager and then went on the John Thompson show and got defensive with the host when questioned about the firing of the hall of famer and announced and i quote "i am not a racist" the stupdity of that statement spoke volumes as far as i was concerned. Frank Robinson is a basball man he's probably forgotten more baseball than Kasten,Rizzo,and Riggleman will ever know yet a franchise that has had back to back triple digit losing season's and with a penchant for "dumb baseball" couldn't find a spot for a hall of famer who when he played was known as leader on and off the field and a winner. A recent poll by this newspaper alluded to the dwindling fan base especially in the inner city and specifically the african american community one only has to look at the Elijah Dukes situation to wonder why.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 14, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

If ignorant race-baiting scumbags like the above poster dargregmag would only realize that their disgraceful playing of the race card is not only divisive, but counter-productive, perhaps they wouldn't do it as much.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 14, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Amazing world we live in. A very highly paid black baseball player says that baseball is racist. Huh. I wonder if he ever thought that through?

The player in question turns down a million a year.

A million dollars.

But they are racists.


I could see the argument if he had been offered, say, the median income that white people make in American - but a million dollars is a racist statement.

You are trying to get on the wrong team, my friend. You need to be on the Jackson/Sharpton Express.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | April 14, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Orlando Hudson had almost identical stats to Adam Kennedy last season but got 3 times as much money this season. Felipe Lopez who also had similar numbers only got $1million.

Inequality in the workplace is still a real problem in this country, but not in MLB. Owners want to make money and they do not care what race their ball players is as long as they make the owner money. I believe this is why Dukes was released, Rizzo and Kasten never felt comfortable with him and the Lerners were afraid Dukes would alienate white fans and they would lose money.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | April 14, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Barno 1: No need for name calling and if you read my post on Nat's Journal yesterday you would retract your statement, tell me why am i race baiting or as you put it playing the "race card"? because i dare question the white hierarchy of the Nationals, to date have the National's given a reason for releasing Elijah Dukes let me answer that for you, NO! and how is it that the National's can't use a man like Frank Robinson in this organization? 2 yrs.plus triple digit loses and as I quoted in my earlier post some of the dumbest baseball since the old Senators left and i'm playing the race card! PLEASE!! I've stated facts, Stan Kasten saying he wasn't racists because he fired F.Robby was a stupid comment because John Thompson hadn't even mentioned anything about race but Kasten threw out the "race card" before the conversation even got started Al Koken(Thompson's co- host at the time) had to calm him down, I am not being divisive, at sixty years old i am going to question MLB at every turn that's right Barno1 if i feel that a subject needs to be addressed concerning MLB and race then so be it I am a huge fan of this team but you or nobody else is going to accuse me of being a racists when i just merely state the facts.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 14, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

That was a little over the top. Dargregmag is a well respected, long time poster over on the Nats Journal and don't think he was race-baiting.

I think he has a point about the Dukes situation. He was released at a very odd time in Spring Training and it was very cloak and daggar like. I think he also has a point about the way Frank Robinson was and has been treated by StanK and the Lerner's.

I'm not on the same side of the discussion with you Dargregmag, in regards to Hudson and what he said. I think that what he said is a reach and I think that it is more of a case of a 36 year old defensively challenged OF, with declining power numbers, overvaluing himself, than it is racism.


Posted by: Section505203 | April 14, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I think the million bucks is neither pro nor con in the racism debate. The amount of money is not the issue. It's value vs worth.

He believes his worth is higher; they believe his value is lower. Both reasons may have a racial component to them, but there is nothing to DEFINE it. So all we can do is react to Hudson's take, which is his opinion which again, does not PROVE racism is at the heart of this issue.

To a guy who doesn't make a million bucks, that amount would seemingly trump all; to a guy who is used to making more than that, his reality and viewpoint will differ greatly. It isn't that hard to understand really.

Posted by: kahlua87 | April 14, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

While I don't blame Hudson for getting us to reconsider the question of racism, I think he overlooks defensive ability and competition from younger, cheaper players. Let's look at Dye first. Based on his recent numbers, Dye can probably give you an .800 OPS, which is average or slightly above-average offense for a right fielder. However, that is offset by his woefully bad defense (-20 runs below average per year as measured by Ultimate Zone Rating). Because of his defensive deficiencies, his days as a starting outfielder are numbered, if not done. Most teams can get a younger outfielder who can provide less offense and better defense for something close to the league-minimum salary, so it makes little sense to sign Dye for much more than that. Dye has to accept that he is being seen as a DH type of player, where he has less value relative to the market.

Sheffield is pretty much the same story -- good but not great offense, bad defense -- with the added problems of health and attitude questions.

Posted by: DrewDC | April 14, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Section505203: I appreciate you clarifying my opinion concerning my post i thought i came across pretty clear but apparently my passion about this team seems to be misinterpreted by some and again for those of you who think i'm race baiting read my post about Jermaine Dye on the Nat's Journal under the Tracee Hamilton blog, again Sec.505203 many thanks.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 14, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Why are people still falling for that crap "racism"? We are not longer living in the age of slavery or the early 20th century, for Gods sake! You must be a total fool or a charlatan looking for a free ride to still believe, that on today's world, corporations - and yes teams are businesses - would hire/fire people based on race. Give me a break. These people did not become multi-millionaires because they are stupid.

Posted by: hock1 | April 14, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Wake up hock1!! Major League Baseball is a business and like every business you have people who have prejudices racism is not krap you just had a Virginia Governor endorse Confederate history month an affornt to most people black or white you just had three black congressman including John Lewis(D-Ga. a real life civil right's hero)insulted by members of the so called tea party with racial insult's verified by a white congressman Heath Shuler(D-N.C) as they all walked past a rally on Capitol Hill that occured on March 20th.You hock 1 may not think racism exist but sadly it is real and it exist in this great land of ours.

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Posted by: linlinmeihua | April 14, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Again I say, Hudson raised the issue of race, Dye did not. So, if we're painting with a broad brush here, I would have to conclude that white people can't read very well.

Posted by: markfromark | April 15, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

So, Nats front office whiter than the KKK, not a mumbling word. Nats unceremoniously can an outspoken black man like FRobby, but they say they're not racist, and we take them at their word. Nats would rather market to Philly fans than local black fans, hey, just a coinkydink.

But when a black man like Orlando Hudson insinuates (wrongly IMO but no matter) that race plays a part in Jermaine Dye's unemployment, both he AND Dye (who said nothing along those lines) are castigated. Good thing racism is just a figment of black people's imagination.

HTG, I wish you all would spend a tenth of the effort questioning the Nats' hiring practices -- when they bid for the team, they made a big deal of their (token) minority partners -- that you spend attacking blacks ANY TIME they suggest racism has played a role in a decision. Not only is slavery dead, but none of you owned slaves. So why are you SO defensive about it if it is just a figment of black peoples' imaginations? Cause when I hear about, say, the Armenian genocide or Japanese-American internment, I don't bat an eye, because neither I nor my forebears had nothing to do with it. Seems to me, for people so innocent of racism, thou doth protest too much.

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 16, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

If anyone wants to know just how much a piece of sh!t Peter Angelos is, just read this:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Sources-say-Orioles-turned-down-Cal-Ripken-for-job-041610

I cannot wait for the time when I run into Peter Angelos in hell.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | April 17, 2010 2:08 AM | Report abuse

When you don't have a legitimate complaint and/ or any credible evidence,,,,just throw the race card !!!

This 5hit from is getting so old, my give a damn is broken.

Posted by: dashriprock | April 18, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I suspect the Nationals are focused on BJ Upton more than Dye because of his defense. Of course given the way Destin Hood, top prospect, and right fielder in Hagerstown is currently hitting ??

Posted by: periculum | April 19, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

@dargregmag,

Barno and poopy are well known "incendiary baiters" from the RI blog.

On your point. I partially disagree on the racism aspect of your argument, vis-a-vis Dukes. I hold up favored son Justin Maxwell, an african american from one of the earliest non-slave/free african american communities in Sandy Springs Montgomery County? Jim Riggleman has pretty much come right out and said that he wanted this guy to win the job in right field for the Nats from the beginning of ST. HE STILL wants him to win the job.

Normally, that would be a strong argument against the racial bias. However, I was raised in Montgomery County and had many african american friends. Many went to Harvard, MIT, etc. For some we used to say they were "whiter than we were". I suspect that president Obama may fall in this category as well.

I believe the right name for this is "chemistry". We look at the team leaders. The Zimmermans, the Dunns, Lannans, Willinghams, etc. and one can quickly see where a Frank Robinson and an Elijah Dukes would have a hard time getting along with them. And I railed against this myself. Forget the politics just play baseball hard. Yeah the guy (Dukes) likely has some emotional issues he has to overcome. But he is still young and sometimes patience is a virtue. It is likely Frank Robby had similar issues when he was a bald faced boy.

I do not believe that Riggleman could ever be accused of racism. Look at the amount of respect, deference, and favoritism he shows to Guzman? And Batista? And Livan Hernandez?

Therefore, while I believe there is some element of "racial bias" it is not as much a factor as you seem to infer. Rather the players prefer others of a similar ilk to belong to that certain clique in junior high school. Perhaps this could change with the advent of Strasburg and Storen?

Riggleman is completely unbiased. His only prejudice is toward guys much like Dye. The older veterans who have paid their dues. And continue to work hard.

Therefore, I believe it is Dye and not the Nationals who have made the serious mistake in judgement. Dye should have signed to play in the Nations Capital for Jim Riggleman.

Posted by: periculum | April 19, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Please argue that there is racism in baseball. I want to hear it. Racism is the new McCarthyism so why not throw baseball in there as well? I think there is racism in synchronized swimming and biathlon and skiing and curling. EVERY GODDAMN THING THAT DOES NOT HAVE A BLACK IS RACISM, right?

Posted by: hz9604 | April 19, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Uh-oh- more racism claims, next thing you know, the Rappin Revs, Jesse and Al, will be calling for boycotts, lawsuits, candlelight vigils, etc.
And, those of you bringing up Frank Robinson being fired an example of racism- give me a break! Some of the WORST managers have been HOF players- Ted Williams,Yogi Berra- it's not how much knowledge you have, but the ability to coach and manage others as much as anything.

Posted by: peabody2 | April 19, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey, what'd I do to deserve being lumped in with Barno (aka copy/paste)?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | April 20, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Why is this post still up after a week?
Bait much?

I've refrained from criticizing the Post for their shoddy standards as of late but this is beyond the pale. What's next, a poll on the political affiliation of Nats fans?

Keep fanning the flames and eventually you'll get burned.

FRANK 20

Posted by: tradervic1313 | April 20, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

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