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Parsing the GOP: 'Independents'

Analyzing early state exit polls, five key GOP voter groups emerge: Economy-focused voters, independents, those dissatisfied with the Bush administration, evangelicals and the "very conservative." These are the voters to watch on Tuesday, and we'll take a look at each in a series of posts here on Behind the Numbers.

Our second group, independents:

John McCain's solid base of support among self-identified independents has powered him even in contests restricted to registered Republicans (see how here). It was independents who pushed McCain over the top in New Hampshire, South Carolina and Florida, and kept him afloat in Romney's home state of Michigan.

Vote among self-identified independents:

           Total*   McCain   Romney   Huckabee
Iowa        14%      23       19        18
N.H.        37%      40       27         9
Mich.       25%      35       29        15
Nev.        12%      13       12         4
S.C.        18%      42       12        25
Fla.        17%      44       23        11
*Total=percentage of all GOP voters referring
to themselves as independents

After the jump, how the votes break down among Republicans.

Vote among self-identified Republicans:

           Total   McCain   Romney   Huckabee
Iowa        86%      12       26        36
N.H.        61%      34       35        13
Mich.       68%      27       41        17
Nev.        86%      13       57         8
S.C.        80%      31       15        32
Fla.        80%      33       33        15

All data from the National Election Pool exit and entrance polls conducted by Edison/Mitofsky.

By Jennifer Agiesta  |  February 1, 2008; 12:26 PM ET
Categories:  Exit polls , Groups to Watch  
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MCCAIN'S CANES

Bob Dole (at 73) was constantly labeled too old to run against Bill Clinton in 1996 and age is NEVER mentioned (at least yet) as a factor with McCain who's 72. John McCain's candidacy was dead and buried until a few weeks before the NH primary due to incompetent staff, mismanagement and lack of money. McCain himself admits that he's not well versed on economics...and voters are somehow convinced that this man can oversee the country's economy better than a highly successful private sector businessman like Mitt Romney?

Strip away John McCain's 40 year ago military experience, which we're NEVER allowed to forget about or question (it's just about ALL he ever references in speeches and debates no matter what question he's asked), and you have nothing but a tired, old, empty suited, Washington, D.C. political hack/insider. He is an extremely weak candidate and a terrible debater by every account, especially compared to Mitt Romney (or even Huckabee).

Without the assistance of his "Canes" propping him up during this farce of a campaign, John McCain candidacy would still be dead and buried. Day after day, the canes come out of the political woodwork to endorse ol' RINO (Republican In Name Only) Johnny.

MCCAIN'S CANE # 1...the Liberal biased Main Stream Media and Press. With orgasmic puff story after puff story, it resurrected McCain from the dead, elevating him to frontrunner status just in time for the election.

MCCAIN'S CANE # 2...Independent and Democrat voters, who, for some bizarre reason, are allowed to vote in the REPUBLICAN primaries. I'd LOVE to meet the rocket scientists in those states who allow THAT to happen.

In Florida, Mitt Romney was gathering tremendous momentum and soaring in the polls until the weekend before the election.

MCCAIN'S CANE # 3...Florida Governor Crist who endorsed McCain just TWO days before the election.. Unfortunately, it was enough to convince a woefully uninformed voting public to vote for McCain and against Romney who was soaring in the polls until that moment. While this was bad enough, the fact that so many thousands of Floridians had to be TOLD who to vote just TWO days before such an important election was despicable, shameful, if not downright scary.

MCCAIN'S CANE # 4...Rudy Guiliani, who ends his "campaign" with an endorsement of, who else but John McCain hours before the California debate. Even with THAT, McCain who always been a terrible debater, was crushed by Mitt Romney at every turn...imagine what Obama would to to him?

MCCAIN'S CANE # 5...California Governor, Arnold Schwartzenager who now is endorsing old Johnny just before the Super Tuesday primaries.


If John McCain is the Republican nominee (heaven forbid), it will be done SOLELY with his the assistance of his canes and without them he is nearly helpless and will be easily defeated by either Hillary Clinton or upstart, or half-McCain's-age, 36 year old Barack Hussein Obama.

Mitt Romney is by far the most qualified man in EITHER party and is a class act all the way. And yet since he became a GOP candidate for president, I have seen nothing but negative, trivial articles/stories about his Mormon religion, his money, his slick appearance, etc, all fully intended to sway a naive electorate that pays far too little attention to the most important 4 year event in our country.

Mitt Romney is a TRUE family man and very successful at turning failed or failing enterprises around and Lord knows the United States of America needs turning around. It should be run as a business first, with a strong military to protect it from harm. All other social, giveaway programs should be scrutinized (and certainly would be under a Romney presidency) as to efficiency and even necessity. The fact that he was even elected Governor in a state (MA) controlled by 85% Democrat legislature was a feat in itself. In spite of it, he did a very admirable job as Governor, turning a large state deficit into a surplus. Of course, his many justified vetoes were constantly overturned by those liberal Democrats which made for a lot of frustration.

If Mitt Romney does get the GOP nomination it will be MUCH to the chagrin of the Democrat National Committee liberal propaganda machine because he will be their worst nightmare and most difficult to defeat...Obama, Clinton, or otherwise.

John McCain's time has long since come and gone and it has become more than obvious during this primary campaign that he doesn't even have the ability to WALK up the White House "stairs" without his "Canes", let alone RUN the biggest economy and country in the world.

Posted by: mrunpc | February 1, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Here's a little straight talk, John Mccain is a dirty politician and a sellout to his party. Reaching across the aisle is wonderful, but it doesn't help our party when ou are doing it to champion the other side's agenda.

Posted by: Dex | February 1, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Clearly the choice for republicans is Mitt Romney. And he is my choice too.

MRUNPC - GREAT POST. I sent it in an email to all my friends. I think you got it exactly right. We have been talking about the same thing in our household. Now there is the problem of Huckabee staying in the race to peel off conservative votes. That would be another "cane" for McCain. The sad thing is that Huckabee is betraying the conservatives who vote for him. He just wants to keep Romney from winning and ensure he get a ticket as VP for McCain.

Posted by: Andy Rizzo | February 1, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I hate gooks! LOL; it's over for McCain!

Posted by: gerald clough | February 1, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

What? No Ron Paul? I mean, obviously the guy isn't leading the polls, but don't leave him out entirely... If anything, his following is probably higher among Independents than it is Republicans, and would make for some interesting analysis.

Posted by: Disenfranchised | February 1, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Is there some reason that Ron Paul is not included in this analysis? That seems rather odd that he should not be included.

Posted by: j | February 1, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post is a sellout to "Big Media"

Posted by: tommy | February 1, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"We encourage users to analyze, comment on and even challenge washingtonpost.com's articles, blogs, reviews and multimedia features"


Ha Ha ... that's a good one

Posted by: tommy | February 1, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Here are my top ten reasons why every true "conservative" should still support John Mccain:

1. He promises to catch Osama Bin Laden. Question is, if he does catch him, will he then fine him $3000, grant him amnesty, and give him a lifetime Z-Visa? Probably, but only if Ted Kennedy agrees to it.

2. McCain claims that he is the only real conservative because when he participated in a spelling bee in grade school, he was asked to spell that very word. McCain proudly remembers yelling out: "conservative, L-I-B-E-R-A-L "

3. He claims to know everything about the economy but won't respond to any questions about it. That's OK because he says that he can always hire managers.

4. The answer to every question he is asked in a debate, regardless of the topic, is "I'm strong on Iraq." He says this simplifies things and then proudly claims that he is above answering any of these questions anyway because he (and any legislation he would propose) is the only answer to any problem that could ever arise in America.

5. The word Amnesty doesn't exist in his vocabulary. Therefore, there can be no such thing as granting amnesty to anyone.

6. He claims that Ronald Reagan would strongly support him because, just as Al Gore invented the internet, McCain invented the conservative movement.

7. If he is elected, McCain promises to finally stop saying "listen, my friends" before responding to any question.

8. McCain acknowledges that he is no Jack LaLane, but states that his age shouldn't matter because he will promise to get brain scans on a quarterly basis, if elected.

9. McCain promises that he will continue to "reach out" to the most liberal Democrats, like Feingold and Kennedy, so he doesn't appear to be too conservative.

10. Finally, my favorite. Bill Clinton says that a Hillary/McCain contest would be the most civil in the history of the US. To prove Bill correct, McCain promises to hold hands with Hillary across the podiums every time they debate. Bill says that's OK with him because he can go out and chase another fat chick while they're debating.

I hope these reasons are enough to convince all of you to support this outstanding conservative candidate.

Posted by: Pixie | February 1, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Dex you are a pathetic excuse for an American. Any person, republican or democrat, that thinks things like "it does not help our party" clearly does not care about this country. Try thinking about what is best for "our" country for once in your life and you will magically become an asset to America not a big part of the problem.

Posted by: AKreader | February 1, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

what's really funny is that Ron Paul is not mentioned and "doesnt stand a chance yet...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/02/news-shocker-ro.html

Posted by: Kayla | February 1, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Dirty rat bastards I dont care if ron paul gets one percent, you put his ass in there. Jesus freakin christ most of the numbers only ad up to 70% for Mitt McHuckabee. So who are the rest choosing?

Posted by: Iconoclast421 | February 1, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Nice post, mrunpc.

You forgot few more on McCain. SC is the main state which gave him momentum going into Florida. If not for the loser FRED, his fate would have been sealed there and we would have seen HUCKABEE as the frontrunner.

I think HUCKABEE is the best candidate for the presidency. He is ONE OF US. he did not come from a wealthy or influential back ground. He came up with his own hardwork. He is lovable, understands the problems of the common public better than the Liberal McCain or Phoney RoMoney. He is the only candidate who spent a fraction of what others have burnt and yet remain as factor. bottomline, he can eliminate the influence of the lobbyists and special interest groups in Politics. HIS VICTORY WILL SEND A MESSAGE THAT IN AMERICA YOU CAN REACH THE TOP, EVEN IF YOU ARE BORN SIMPLE.

Compare the records of the three candidates, you will know WHY AMERICA NEEDS HUCKABEE.

Romney is a flip-flopper, if not he is blatant lier, he is acting like a conservative just to go to white house. his record in MA is pathetic. Look at his Lobbyist advisers, you can tell how he will run the country. He is still in the race because of his deep pockets.

McCain is propelled by the liberals and liberal biased media. He was given the life in NH, SC by those groups. His nomination is going to finish the GOP. He Ditched his crippled first wife for a Trophy babe. His senate record shows his true colors. the media is trying hard to project him as the only viable candidate to defeat the Dems. but it is not true.

Huckabee's record as AR governor in Dems dominted AR shows he is THE REAL THING. He improved the Infrastructure, Healthcare, Education without increasing the taxes substantially. People always supported him and elected him repeatedly as governor. He is ranked by Times as one of the best 5 governors in the country. Look at his campaign spending and you know he has fiscal discipline.

Posted by: gsonjagnath | February 1, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama is actually 47 years old, older than Clinton, Kennedy, and Teddy Roosevelt when they first ran for president.

If the middle name "Hussein" is a problem for anyone, think back to Jordan's late king Hussein who after years of enmity with Israel, gave Israel a partner for peace and a stable border in the east.

Otherwise, you can think of Shakespeare's attitude toward names, "a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet". Whether it's Barack Hussein Obama or Barack James Obama it doesn't change the fact that he's an extremely viable candidate for president. Harping on the "Hussein" thing just works in his favor because it confirms that the attack is superficial. Hussein is a family name that he can be proud of, just like you have your name to be proud of.

Also,I'm sure that there are multiple Iraqi policeman named Hussein on the US payroll in Iraq fighting and dying to stabilize their country.

It's funny that people who want to tear down Obama try to point to things that he couldn't control anyway, like his parent's giving him a middle name in 1961 (that had absolutely no controversial meaning till at least 1990--before that Saddam Hussein was our putative ally) and his mother marrying an Indonesian and taking her young son with her to a majority muslim country in the '60's.
The fact is that Barack Hussein Obama is a brilliant and charasmatic man. His ethnic background is a mix of middle-American white and African and he's a practicing Christian.

Posted by: Jimi | February 1, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The Independents for Ron Paul (from the source):

IA 29
NH 13
SC 9
FL 9
NEV 51

Posted by: Results | February 1, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

MRUNPC: you forget one thing - romney's been his own worst enemy, changing all his positions to suit the wind, waffling. He hasnt shown strength of principle. He's always doing the "i'll do anything if you vote for me" thing.
Not what you want in a president. a failure of character.

Posted by: vick | February 1, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Huckabee reminds me of a sleazy used car salesman. He would look great in a red jacket, yellow shirt, and a purple tie standing under a "Bubba's Used Car" sign.

Posted by: Pixie | February 1, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I cannot imagine that phony John McCain in the White House. The only way I could envision this is if someone let him in to wash the limos.

Wow, John McCain taking a job away from an illegal! I love it!

Posted by: Dolly | February 1, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Loved the comment above listing the top 10 reasons to "support" the worthless John McCain. They cracked me up. Every one of them is true.

Posted by: Maggie | February 1, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Let's Face The Fact! If Romney was nominated, you might as well say Hi to a Clinton or Obama Presidency. Romney is too conservative for some peoples taste (remember this country is split in half and if a true conservative was selected voter turnout would benefit the Democrats). What people want is someone who can cross the aisle, who is truly independent. Look at Reagan, he got Conservative Democrats to vote for him though many consider him a true conservative (I don't remember any huge tax cuts during his presidency and didn't he work with Ted Kennedy on some stuff?). If McCain was to run, the Democrats would run scared (refer to a Susan Estrich article where she mentions that McCain would be best for the Country yet Harmful to the Democrats. She even states that she hopes for a Romney nomination so that the Democrats can win this year.). And if Rudy or Lieberman were selected to be his running mates, even better for McCain, a guaranteed victory to be sure. Though True Conservatives won't like him at first, he is a whole lot better then Obama or Hillary. McCain may not be known for his economic sense (he does suggest a flat tax plan though), and may have a liability in his dealings with Charlie Keating in the 80's, we know he won't stop the War on Terror or repeal Bush tax cuts. Trust me when I say this, if a Democrat wins the Presidency I am moving to Australia!

Posted by: Rudy For McCain | February 1, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

To Rudy for McCain:

mccain is nothing but a Ted Kennedy KissÄss, phony republican. What you are saying is that the republicans want a traitor. Yeah, sure

Posted by: Pixie | February 1, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The Post invites us to analyze and comment on their articles, etc... However, today I am inspired to comment on the reader responses.

The commentary from the pro-Romney factions on this board are surprisingly mean-spirited and obtuse. I am not a fan of McCain either but to be a fan of Mitt Romney's is, to me, incomprehensible. The man seems to never take a position that he won't change. It is good and reasonable to change your mind, even admit mistakes in the face of new evidence but not for the sake of political electability. All evidence points to Candidate Romney's willingness to position himself wherever is most suitable to fulfill his ambition.

I am not in the business of voting to fulfill an individual's desire to gain power. I vote to empower a candidate to serve this country. So, MRUNPC and supporters, open your eyes. Romney is not running to serve our interests. He is running to serve his own.

Posted by: skptcl | February 1, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain Is No Phony! So he doesn't tow the party line. Neither does Ron Paul or I. I am a registered Republican but don't believe in everything the party stands for. Who does anyways? I may be pro-choice but believe there must be strong restrictions as well as parent notification. I want to get rid of income taxes and replace them with a 10% sales tax. Hell I would put up walls on both borders (or invade neighboring nations). So are you to say I am a phony? Then perhaps by todays standards you would say that Lincoln was a phony? Remember it is better to win for the sack of a nation then to win for the sack of party. You never know, in the future political parties will become illegal due to this kowtowing!

Posted by: Rudy for McCain | February 1, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul is our last chance. I love America, but I fear what it will become in the next 4 years. Ron Paul 2008! http://ronpaul2008.com

Posted by: Persona Gratis | February 1, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain is way too corrupt and way too old to be president. Who in their right mind would vote for someone involved in the S&L scandal (Keating 5) or likewise committed adultery and left his wife for someone much younger? With eyes hafl open, anyone could see this arrogant thug coming from 200 miles away.

About 40% of Americans must be real idiots to go along with the McCain thug, just because the media, and elites that control the media, put his ugly, smirky mug up everywhere, oh, and also parade out a list of fellow thugs as if endorsements matter more than record. Call him Juan, as he fits in much better with the lawless immigrants (the ones he wants to grant amnesty too)that cross the border illegally, and break other laws here with impunity once here. What some gullible dullards--and they will sink our nation this time, if they get McCain in.

Posted by: nomas | February 1, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Like Democrats Wouldn't Sink Our Nation! I put it forward to anyone to read this article: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,326847,00.html
Who better then McCain to beat the Democrats in 2008? Rudy is out and Ron Paul is a no name to all of America? Them it must be McCain!

Posted by: Rudy for McCain | February 1, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

How sullen and so woebegone you are,
you sad conservatives. You should be glad
a man will run at all, given the sad
condition that our country's in-
Why do you think Republicans can win?

Posted by: mrPipzoid | February 1, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

mrPipzoid, What Makes You Think Democrats Can Win? You only have two choices, a woman and a black man. America is not ready for a woman president (especially a Clinton) nor are they ready for a black president. And to make matters worst, there is nothing for them to run on except the economy which everyone knows Democrats suck at economics. With the War in Iraq mute 80% of the time, what can they run on? Nothing really! I make $56000 a year and pay $7000 in taxes, show me a Democrat who will reduce that down to $2000 in taxes? You Can't!

Posted by: Rudy for McCain | February 1, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain is just like Bush, right down to the arrogant smirk, and he will continue to destroy the nation and Constitution, just as surely as Bush has. Just look at his record of corruption, and see how close his corruptions and failures mirror those of Bush.

Posted by: anda | February 1, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Other then the Keating 5 incident, which caused McCain to support finance reform (which, for the record, helps Republicans instead of hurting them), what else has McCain done that is considered corrupt? In that matter what has Bush done that was considered corrupt?

Posted by: Rudy for McCain | February 1, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Romney presents a challenge to the "Good Ole Boys" club in Washington.

What is interesting, and confusing to me, is that the presidency and the congress have the lowest ratings on record... suggesting that the people aren't happy with what they are doing. Yet, we keep electing the same people year after year, election after election.

Einstein defined insanity as "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

According to Einstein we are all politically insane. The proof will be in November when we end up electing the same people to do the same thing... again.

Are we all Washington lemmings unable to think independently?

The Washington lemming thing to do now is just follow the direction of the media and fall in line with the status quo... who fully expect us to follow their propaganda like mindless lemmings.

If you would like to know who the Wahsington status quo is, just look at the candidates with the most endorsements from the Washington insiders.

Now be a good little Washington lemming and go vote for the same people to do the same thing again!

Bizarre!

Posted by: R Dew | February 1, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Other then the Keating 5 incident, which caused McCain to support finance reform (which, for the record, helps Republicans instead of hurting them), what else has McCain done that is considered corrupt? In that matter what has Bush done that was considered corrupt?

Posted by: Rudy for McCain
==========================

If you don't believe that obstructing justice in exchange for $ 112,000 in campaign contributions so that a person was able to steal $ 1.1 billion dollars of avearge US citizens savings is enough to disqualify McCain as a presidential candidate... what does he have to do... kill someone?

What do you think would have happened to a person who was not a Senator if they would have done something like that? They would still be in prison!

The power of the Washington "Good Ole Boys" club intervened and kept McCain out of prison... or even to be indicted, yet Keating gets imprisonment.

That should scare the SH*T out anyone sane person.

Posted by: R Dew | February 1, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

R Dew, You Have A Point! But this election year is quite different from the past. Unlike previous years beginning with Carter, the President elect has been a former Governor or sitting Vice President. That was why I was originally for Rudy Giuliani since he was not a Washington Insider. Now that he is out, the only Washington outsiders to support are Romney and Huckabee. Downfall is Romney and Huckabee are too conservative for Mainstream America. Since the Dems are electing an insider, just as good for the GOP to elect an insider as well especially considering he can win as compared to the outsiders.

Posted by: Rudy for McCain | February 1, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

R Dew, you make a good point but something that should be pointed out. Anyone With Power Can Get Away With Anything! "Slick Willy" got away with perjury, Reagan got away with Iran-Contra and I get away with breaking HOA rules (I am on the HOA board). So what they say is true, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely! Don't you enjoy having power?

Posted by: Rudy for McCain | February 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Rudy for McCain

I have do not have a lot power... but I use what power I have for the benefit of others.

I guess I am an optimist and believe that public servants should use the power that the citizens have given them to do what is right for the citizens... and not abuse it for self indulgence.

I could not vote for a person who abused their office for personal benefit.

Posted by: Rdew | February 1, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

for rudy for mccain & for mike and mitt,

The Republicans offer no hope.
If you're in the bottom half,
unskilled, or in a dead-end job,
or with a pre-existing health condition.
There is no hope at all.
Just struggle and hope you die suddenly.
When will the global supply of cheap labor
balance with demand?
When will automation cease?
When will the percent of workers
getting health insurance increase?
Where is the line between skilled and unskilled labor?
Purchasing power erodes, like a consuming, in-sucking, vortex.
More people feel it. You feel it, and reel.
Your candidates don't even talk about it.
They're like doctors who can't bear examining the patient,
so offer up the usual bromides.
Hard work will win out.
Hopes for the kids' college education fades.
Only the upper incomes can afford tuition.
Gas prices rise. Only markets can anticipate shortages.
They mustn't be interfered-with.
Then only the wealthy can adjust to the higher prices.
The candidates must go home at night and laugh at the words they speak.
The interviewers can't ask the obvious questions,
"What hope do you offer the working stiff?"
They're afraid to ask. It would be like taunting a caged animal.
It's like the last days of communism, cynicism everywhere,
but they keep on marching, singing of the old banal remedies.
They can't think of anything else.
Self-restraint, community and country,
the public good, are all beyond them.
All that there is is status, wealth and class,
and a tarnished coat of faith.

Posted by: mrPipzoid | February 1, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

R Dew, Isn't Power To Help Others Corrupting Itself? I like to help people as well but find that power hard to let go. And once you begin, and people reward you for your deeds, then you begin to expect rewards, want them even. Would you not kill someone terrorizing a women and her small child? Would you not want to help peoples financial roles? Politicians gain power unwittingly through there wanting to help others. It is from this want that power rises. And it is that power that corrupts.

Posted by: Rudy for McCain | February 1, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

R Dew, Isn't Power To Help Others Corrupting Itself? I like to help people as well but find that power hard to let go. And once you begin, and people reward you for your deeds, then you begin to expect rewards, want them even. Would you not kill someone terrorizing a women and her small child? Would you not want to help peoples financial roles? Politicians gain power unwittingly through there wanting to help others. It is from this want that power rises. And it is that power that corrupts.

Posted by: Rudy for McCain | February 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

R Dew, Isn't Power To Help Others Corrupting Itself? I like to help people as well but find that power hard to let go. And once you begin, and people reward you for your deeds, then you begin to expect rewards, want them even. Would you not kill someone terrorizing a women and her small child? Would you not want to help peoples financial roles? Politicians gain power unwittingly through there wanting to help others. It is from this want that power rises. And it is that power that corrupts.

Posted by: Rudy for McCain | February 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

First Off Sorry About My Three Identical Comments. Internet Problems!

Now for mrPipzoid, How Would The Democrats Help? They want more illegal's inside this country and illegal's are cheap labor. Democrats push for Unions but Unions are what cause jobs to be pushed overseas. If you are Union, look at the money they take out. A true Union would never take a members money for personal or political gain. Hell they shouldn't take it period. And if you need to blame someone for the rise in education costs, look no further then the Democrats. Their push to educate and indoctrinate has cause tuition prices to rise. Now no company will want you if you have no degree thanks to them. As for insurance, you can pay for it and receive treatment now or not pay for it and wait months to receive treatment (unless you grease some palms). I agree insurance companies should accept all that apply and that government should push companies to do so. Otherwise the free market should decide.

Posted by: Rudy for McCain | February 1, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Power to do good is a good thing to want. Power does not have to corrupt. When power does corrupt... there needs to be a mechanism in place to keep it in check. That is the genius of the seperation of powers in the formation of our republican form of government.

Anyone who would violate the public trust for personal gain should be barred from holding any future public office. If the government is unwilling to do it, the Constitution gives the power to the people through the election process to remove and bar that person.

When the wicked rule... the people mourn. Proverbs 29:2.

Posted by: R Dew | February 1, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

George Bush gave the republican party cancer. John McCain would make it spread and finally kill it. What we need is a very strong dose of radiation and only Romney can provide that.

Go MITT!!!

Posted by: Roxy | February 1, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

You're not going to win with Romney or Huckabee. Romney believes whatever you believe (if your currently a republican primary voter) but if he gets the nomination, he's going to believe what the other 68% of America believes (because he wants to be president and actually, he has no real beliefs). I realized that he and Gulianni had no shot the night they started arguing about how ferociously they'd personally torture a terror suspect. That's the kind of job most of America would much rather sub out. Republicans appear to value the inclination to inflict mortal pain on another human being, at least they appear to want it in their Presidential aspirants.
(I think Rudy won the engagement by personally promising to gnaw the mans gonads off).
Huckabee is the president of the flat earth society, not much of a future there...
Dr. Paul has serious math deficiencies, not to mention we'd need all those troops home from Iraq to put down the food riots if the price of everything just jumped 20% and your food stamps got cut off. In a land of such abundance, folks aint gonna sit by the side of the road and starve quietly. This aint the Sudan (yet, anyway).
That leaves Big John, which is unthinkable for most of you since you realize the Viet-Cong brainwashed him back in '68 during his stay at the Hanoi Hilton. You guys are right, he's a closet liberal, I've seen him at the secret conspiracy meetings. If we elect him, he'll likely sell the country to the Chinese communists...wait a minute, George already did that...well no doubt he'd be in favor of socialized medicine and drive through abortion. He'd probably even attack Christmas.
So you see, you can either vote for the Democratic candidate OR you can vote for the communist sleeper agent. Or you can vote for a guy who would marry his undocumented Mexican gardener and open an abortion clinic in the Capitols Rotunda if it got him elected President.
Or you can stay home
Such us the state of Republican politics.

Posted by: Dijetlo | February 2, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

What do you mean by the label: Independents?

To me, it means someone who is not following the crowd. The independent politely listens to the opinions and ideas of others, and then goes off alone to carefully ponder what they have said.

An independent follows their own heart and own intuition to make the most important life decisions.

Posted by: Eric Bossard | February 2, 2008 4:58 AM | Report abuse

A vote for McCain like no vote at all! First of all he can't beat Hillary or Obama and secondly he is already in retirement mode and doesn't even know what it means to work anymore.

He missed over half of his votes last year, making him "unrankable" among conservatives or liberals last year by the National Journal. He hasn't done as much campaigning in the whole of his 25 years of political history as has Obama, Hillary, or Romney has in the last year.

Wake up folks, chances are McCain is going to croke before his term is up, even if he could beat the Dems, which he doesn't stand a chance (recall Dole vs Clinton, ie. Game OVER), and McCain has already lived longer than his father or grandfather. You can tell from the way he is running his campaign, and the way he is ALREADY senile that he's just wants to live it up before he "kick's the bucket".

Talk about fiscal responsibility: He was the #1 runner up with MILLIONS the beginning of last year and he BLEW it all hanging out with his Washington buddies (doing who knows what) while ditching class (representing his constituents by voting in the Senate) even BEFORE he had a chance to air an add or do anything responsible for his campaign. Even now with his saposed "frontrunner" status he is still not far from broke.

Hey, is this what our economy really needs right now? A senile, over-the-hill President who relies completely on lobbyists for financial and economic advice? Sure, if what we want is for China to permanently finish us off economically! If he can't manage the economics of his campaign how can he manage the economics of the country during a key time like now?

He has been in Washington for HOW MANY years with a posh position as an AZ senator with.... what?.... a total populatioin of maybee 6 million people and just a little over 2 million when he started a quarter of a century before.

McCain supporters: wake up and realize that a vote for McCain is a vote for either Obama or Hillary. At least Reagan (who was just 1 year younger than McCain would be as a President) could comb his own hair (and had hair)! McCain will be BBQ'd by the Dems come November. He is an honerable man who served his country weill. But before you vote for him go and find someone who is actually as old as he is and talk to them about important modern issues and then ask yourself if you REALLY want to impose ALL the preasures of the free modern world upon someone who was born the same year that the colt revolver was invented, who was 50 years old before the 1st generation of personal computers hit the market, into his 60's before the internet and to this day (in his own words) rely's completely on his wife or others for anything that has to do with computers. A vote for McCane is like choosing another Dole for the Republicans which is how we got Bill Clinton.

Huckabee supporters: at this point a vote for Mike is a vote for McCain. Take a look at the important issues and then think about why you are a Republican and what you want our country to be judged by. McCain will take the meaning of Bush "bunker mentality" to a whole new level that we may never recover from. If McCain could win the general (which he won't) it may take several Democratic presidents for the Republican party to recover. With a closer look at Romney you will see someone who has the same inner desire as Mike to really make a difference in Washington. These two really only have two major differences: religious and financial. I believe if Mike had Mitt's financial credentials he would definitely be the front-runner and if Mitt had Mike's religion he would definitely be the front runner. The important thing is what they have in common, which is pretty much everything else, including the core values that they share. Mike is a VERY likeable and supportable guy, but at this point in the election it it time to consider more important issues, like how your vote can make a difference in the final outcome.

Guliani suporters: take a close look at your man and his positions and qualifications. Then take a close look at McCain and his positions and qualifications. You will find that they are two totally different politicians; they just happen to be close friends. In an unbiased look at Romney you will discover that he also has the characteristics that drew you to Guliani such as real and effective executive and leadership skills, the ability to turn things around and find success amist challenging and imposing odds, and real communication skills that can cross racial, religious or partisan lines to get the job done.

Romney is definitely the safest choice out of all the cantidates. He didn't screw up his company or all the others he helped to become successful for the 25 years he was in the private sector. He didn't screw up the Olympics, and you might ask yourself why he was brought in in the first place. He didn't' screw up Massachusets in 4 years as Governor there, which would have been totally easy for a first term Republican Governor in a Democratically dominated state. Just opposite he was pivotal in turning all these negatives around and creating success stories. It is time for real change in Washington and voting in another Washington insider is NOT going to get the job done. Mitt deserves a chance. At least he is putting his money (not yours) where his mouth is. Vote for America: vote for Romney!

Posted by: JAW | February 2, 2008 5:12 AM | Report abuse

With all Romney's wealth, he cannot buy the confidence of the American people. He will slither out of the race shortly. His message in Florida was "I''ve had a job in the real world". A job at the top is not a job. Try being a waiter, dishwasher, farmer,auto worker, teacher or a police officer Romney! He has never tasted financial difficulty. Add to this his promotion of gay rights and you've got a rich mormon liberal. He doesn't have much experience and his own state wouldn't endorse him.

McCain is too far left for conservatives and name dropping hurts him rather than helps him. He is a war hero, but he isn't a fit for conservatives.He is very experienced, but he won't win against the Democrats and wouldn't unite our country after the election.

I want a president that I can be proud of and who can hold firm to his ideas despite the polls.Heck, I want a leader who has ideas of his own that will make our future brighter!!!

Huckabee then is the only true conservative, and he actually has great ideas of his own; His grace under pressure shows that he will be a great leader. His empathy and compassion for the lower and middle class is important to 75% of america. He has the most experience of any candidate. He can unite our country and commands respect from both sides of the aisle.

One thing is for sure, the media's bias and influence in this election should be investigated and they should be held accountable. Perhaps the government could assign them a political rating system that would let the general public know what party their networks support and favor in their reporting of the "news".

I'm voting for Huckabee and pray you all do too!

Posted by: JB | February 2, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I forgot to add.

I think it is un-democratic and anti American to think that your votes won't count. Vote for the candidate of your choice, not for who you think is most favored to win!

A vote for " " is really a vote for Kim Jong Il, is the most anti-democratic spin that has ever been made up before the elections have taken their course... it's not super-tuesday yet..i have to laugh and cry!

Posted by: JB | February 2, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

To anyone that doesn't think a vote for Huckabee is a vote for McCain....

If McCain gets the nomination he is giong to ask Huckabee to be his VP. Huckabee is in it only to block Romney from getting the nomination.

So, a vote for Huckabee is a vote for McCain. Huckabee is betraying every voter that thinks they are voting for him, only to get the liberal McCain.

Posted by: Andy Rizzo | February 2, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The facts. Not a Washington Insider doing the same thing for years as a politician, Romney has a sophisticated understanding of the challenges we face in both the national and global economies. He is a highly educated and successful leader in business making money by turning around floundering companies such as Staples and helping to produce thousands of jobs, understands the importance of people, organization, research, planning, communication and direction. He was class valedictorian at BYU, MBA and LAW degree from Harvard. While Governor of mostly Democrat Massachusetts, he brought the fractured constituencies together and they became the first state with a universal health care plan that seems to work, official figures indicate that roughly 200,000 previously uninsured residents have gained health coverage, a 45 percent drop in minimum premium costs and a 34 percent reduction in the uninsured. He took no salary at all as Governor because as he said, I have enough. He lowered state taxes, most of what Romney raised was in the form of fees, not taxes, such as court filings and firearm licensing fees. But he also closed loopholes on corporate taxes. Increased funding for education, Massachusetts students ranked #l in the nation in education. Increased penalties on drunk driving. Never supported the release of criminals convicted of serious crimes. Never was first to bring up religion. He turned around MA's economy from deficit to surplus, balancing their budget in less than 4 years. How dare he do his job well and for no pay on top of it!!! When the Salt Lake City Olympics crumbled under corruption/scandal and financial disaster he went to Salt Lake, took over for a one dollar salary, saved the Olympics and made it profitable. He led a massive security mobilization at the Olympics in the wake of the 9/11 attack and, as governor, helped build up Massachusetts' homeland security efforts. He supports a strong military. He is concerned about illegal immigration and what it means to the security of the United States. He wants to retool America and bring the jobs back home. I can certainly understand liberals hating Romney, after all he's been married to the same woman. He's from a close knit family and values family first. Regarding his flip-flopping on big issues? He may have flipped but not flopped! Everyone, and that means everyone in politics makes mistakes, gets to change their mind once after gaining more knowledge, and most politicians seem to change more than once. Stand all of the candidates up next to each other in a direct comparison of what they really have done and then vote for the best person to make good change and run the country in the right direction.

Posted by: DDinnell | February 2, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

MIke Huckabee: nice guy, a lot of fun-not the sharpest pencil in the drawer. Some of his answers on foreign policy and the economy are scary. He could propel us into a depression. Is that the legacy you want to leave your children and grandchildren? (Romney was valedictorian, and has a joint MBA/JD from Harvard. He launched Staples and Dominos. He eats economics for breakfast).
McCain: thank-you for your service in the war, and we have compassion for your horrendous experiences in it. But the Presidency? This would be another very scary choice because:
1. McCain has a violent temper. He has screamed the "F" word frequently at his fellow congressmen. By his own admission, he loses it...a lot. Some feel that there is residual psychological damage from his years spent as a POW. One congressman put it this way "You don't want that guy anywhere near a trigger" (that includes nuclear triggers of the Presidential kind)
2. McCain admits he know almost nothing about the economy. With our country teetering, we need a savvy, sharp, economocally brilliant President. Asia is at the door. A depression is not out of the question. We don't have time to mess around with bigotry. We need someone who can turn this economy around-fast.
3. McCain and Hilary are very good friends. They went to Estonia together as Senators and held a drinking contest. This level of maturity is reserved for the immature, not people who want to run the (currently) most powerful country on the earth.
We no longer have time for high school popularity contests. We desperately need a real leader with serious intelligence.
We have friends who know the Romney family well. They really are wholesome. They will not bring scandal to the White House. They will keep it "white". Mitt is not in this for the fame or power. He didn't take a salary in Masachusetts, he won't as President. He simply wants to help, and he knows how.
The smartest thing we could do for our posterity is to vote for Mitt and encourage others to do the same.

Posted by: midge | February 2, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Midge & DDinnell:

Thank you for your rational and fact oriented comments. I'm sure if others follow your example of checking the facts they'll come to the same conclusions. Romney is our presidential material for 2008.

Romney is frequently accused of flip-flopping on the pro-life vs. pro choice issue. In 2002 he was pro-choice but changed to pro-life in 2004. I believe this qualifies as a flip. Some argue his health care program passed in 2006 supports abortion and is therefore a "flop" in his position. Note that the Massachusetts legislature overrode all 8 of his vetoes on sections of the health plan. (Wikipedia: Mass. Heal. Care Ref.) Be assured Romney still is pro-life.

Posted by: J. Ash | February 3, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Just about every value that the Republican Party espouses, Mitt Romney fulfills.
Values-Yes, Immigration-No, Pro-Life-Yes,
Tax Cuts-Yes, Strong Defense-Yes. Is there something missing here?

McCain, Values-Try his interaction with people and how he does so, the circumstances of his first marriage, his inability to tell the truth. Immigration-Yes, Higher Taxes - Yes, McCain-Lieberman, Closing of Gitmo-Yes, Tax Cuts - He says yes, but McCain Lieberman again. What is left? Pro-Life. Judicial Nominees - He says yes, but will be nominate a Kennedy or O'Connor or an Alito/Roberts...remember the Gang of 14.
By his own statement, he does not understand the economy and by his statement in the last debate, it further indicates that he does not. By his own statement he does not condone torture, which he says includes waterboarding even if at the American people's lives. McCain-Kennedy was a Z visa bill for illegals. He is endorsed by the largest Spanish newspaper in the U.S. One of his advisors is Juan Hernandez, who openly promotes illegal immigration. 2010 the Bush Tax Cuts will expire which will result in a massive tax increase. Those tax cuts were voted AGAINST by John McCain. Further, the McCain-Lieberman bill will add an additional TAX on gasoline...something many Americans cannot afford to pay. This will result in higher prices for goods and services and ultimately price us entirely out of any global trade. Can this country really AFFORD John McCain...I think not. McCain-Feingold...tried to limit freedom of speech.

If McCain is the nominee...we will have two democratic conventions in two different places and a very divided country.

Posted by: Carolyn | February 3, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks Mitt Romney can win in the general is deluding themselves. He comes across as an insincere used car salesman wearing that plastic Devo hair from the 80's.
About as inspirational as watching paint dry but at least paint is able to stick, unlike ANY of Romney's positions.

Posted by: Cal | February 3, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Romney get's my vote in 2012.

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